Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat
Miss Caroline has gotten a TINY bit better. I fixed her up a nest in the linen closet, with the door cracked open. Sometimes she will go and get in it, and then the growling is not as severe. Sometimes she chooses to still be in the sink, though, and then we get the growling, the bared teeth, tail swishing, and hissing. She also has not eaten anything:(. She has urinated a tiny bit in the litter box, so I guess she is drinking at least a small amount. And Missy and I take umbrage at your statement. It is quite clear to us that blue tabbies rule the world!:) On 12/31/06, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is totally amazing how much the ones that require the most work and most patience come to mean to us. This darling chose you. You are honored beyond words. PS I know what you mean about Calicos ruling the world---I had the privilege of living with the Royal Princess Kitty Katt. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - *From:* TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Sunday, December 31, 2006 10:06 AM *Subject:* Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat let me tell you about lacey susan, whom i affectionately refer to as my psychotic, all-4-paw-declawed psychotic calico she was rescued at 4 weeks, and lived with one woman til she was 5 years old. she was front-declawed as a baby, and rear-declawed at around 3, because the new husband was worried about his hardwood floors. (the cat weighed about 8# at her heaviest.) the husband died, and the baby was born--and it was one of those babies who truly was allergic to everything, including milk. so lacey went to live with her grandma, where she spent all her time hiding under the computer desk. she came into the shelter where i volunteered, and i was told that she was most probably going to have to be euthed because she was nuts she'd do the headbonk, nudge, pet-me, pet-me, love-me, hiss, growl, bite, i'm-going-to-rip-off-your-face, headbonk, pet-me, pet-me routine she also looked almost identical to my FirstCalico, who'd gone to the bridge two years previously--and as you know, it's not usual to find two calicos with markings that similar. so, of course, i had to give her a chance. i am NOT reliably a communicator, but some cats DO talk quite clearly to me, and she has always been one. i realized she was terrifed, and acting out of fear and abandonment. i figured, hey, she has no claws, and as long as i stay away from the teeth, what's she gonna do to me, anyway? started out talking to her in her cage, and i promised her that no one would ever hurt her left her a shirt of mine to sleep with, to have my scent. over the following days, i was able to pick her up--the only person who could--and take her into the huge staff bathroom we had. i'd take a book, some toys, and just sit on the floor and leave her be. she'd sniff under the door, come over and nudge me, play with the toys, headbonk, and demand petting in between her i'm going to kill you, human episodes. i'd spend an hour or two with her each day. she'd go ballistic when i went to put her back in the cage, but other than that, she was definitely calming down--for me, at least. there was a volunteer there who was big and fast, with very little awareness of cat signals, and not too surprisingly, she bit him one day, so she went into isolation for ten days--but i continued to work with her, and she continued to respond. she was still nuts, mind you, but less so. the shelter board asked me to write up an evaluation on her so they could decide whether she should be put up for adoption, and one of the members decided that she could tame her, and took her home for two weeks. when she came back, she was worse than when she'd first come into the shelter, poor dear. the board had decided that she could only go to an only cat home, so i would not be able to adopt her. i was broken hearted, and pretty much stayed away from her, because i didn't want to get close to her again. two weeks later, they told me i could take her if i wanted to, because i was the only person she'd ever responded to, and otherwise they'd have to euthanize her. i was ecstatic. i was concerned about how she'd do with the fully-clawed cats in the house--ha! i swear this cat files her teeth down in her spare time, they were in far more danger from her than she ever was from them! it was awful--she was attacking them constantly, as she'd managed to figure out how to reliably get out of the isolation space. she was attacking everything, actually--furniture, stuffed animals, me i had rescue remedy in a
Re: OT: thank you for all your support for 2006
Hideyo, I so hope this year is much better for you and all your kitties remain in good health. On 12/31/06, Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hideyo,thank YOU for all you do for us and your fur kids.I hope for a much better year for you and all of us.Bless you Sherry and my 4 beautiful furry boys *Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: Hi, everyone, I just wanted to thank you all who gave me supports to get through difficult times this year – this year has been one of the most difficult years for me and my kitties – I lost so many of my kitties for different illness –it's been devastating. Because of people who suppored me from different list group, I learned more every day and gave me strengths and courage to be able to cope with the pains when I felt that I couldn't any more --- these pains will never go away, but I know that I am a little bit stronger every day to live with them. I hope lots of happiness and joys to all of you and your kitties in 2007. Hideyo __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
URI all over my house
Ugh. I come home from work yesterday and every single cat I have (except Caroline, who is isolated) has runny nose and sneezing. Of course Missy, with her bad immune system, has it worse than anyone; she's already got piles of yellow discharge coming out of her nose. And of course my vet is closed until Tuesday. I just had Shimmer at the vet Friday for a bladder infection; he had no signs of URI at that time. WHere does it come from? -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
FELV article
I thought this was interesting and one of the better ones out there. Much better than that Cornell page. I'm not sure what I think of his opinion of the SNAP test being highly accurate, though. Maybe it is in the context he is using the term. http://www.2ndchance.info/flv.htm -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat
My apologies to Missy. I can only speak from experience. :)) By the way, I know what a grey tabby is but what does a blue tabby look like? You can imagine the shades of blue I am thinking of. Have you tried the Feliway spray in her nesting area? It will make her feel safer. I used bottles of the stuff with the Royal Princess Kitty Katt. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 5:56 AM Subject: Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat Miss Caroline has gotten a TINY bit better. I fixed her up a nest in the linen closet, with the door cracked open. Sometimes she will go and get in it, and then the growling is not as severe. Sometimes she chooses to still be in the sink, though, and then we get the growling, the bared teeth, tail swishing, and hissing. She also has not eaten anything:(. She has urinated a tiny bit in the litter box, so I guess she is drinking at least a small amount. And Missy and I take umbrage at your statement. It is quite clear to us that blue tabbies rule the world!:) On 12/31/06, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is totally amazing how much the ones that require the most work and most patience come to mean to us. This darling chose you. You are honored beyond words. PS I know what you mean about Calicos ruling the world---I had the privilege of living with the Royal Princess Kitty Katt. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: TenHouseCats To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 10:06 AM Subject: Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat let me tell you about lacey susan, whom i affectionately refer to as my psychotic, all-4-paw-declawed psychotic calico she was rescued at 4 weeks, and lived with one woman til she was 5 years old. she was front-declawed as a baby, and rear-declawed at around 3, because the new husband was worried about his hardwood floors. (the cat weighed about 8# at her heaviest.) the husband died, and the baby was born--and it was one of those babies who truly was allergic to everything, including milk. so lacey went to live with her grandma, where she spent all her time hiding under the computer desk. she came into the shelter where i volunteered, and i was told that she was most probably going to have to be euthed because she was nuts she'd do the headbonk, nudge, pet-me, pet-me, love-me, hiss, growl, bite, i'm-going-to-rip-off-your-face, headbonk, pet-me, pet-me routine she also looked almost identical to my FirstCalico, who'd gone to the bridge two years previously--and as you know, it's not usual to find two calicos with markings that similar. so, of course, i had to give her a chance. i am NOT reliably a communicator, but some cats DO talk quite clearly to me, and she has always been one. i realized she was terrifed, and acting out of fear and abandonment. i figured, hey, she has no claws, and as long as i stay away from the teeth, what's she gonna do to me, anyway? started out talking to her in her cage, and i promised her that no one would ever hurt her left her a shirt of mine to sleep with, to have my scent. over the following days, i was able to pick her up--the only person who could--and take her into the huge staff bathroom we had. i'd take a book, some toys, and just sit on the floor and leave her be. she'd sniff under the door, come over and nudge me, play with the toys, headbonk, and demand petting in between her i'm going to kill you, human episodes. i'd spend an hour or two with her each day. she'd go ballistic when i went to put her back in the cage, but other than that, she was definitely calming down--for me, at least. there was a volunteer there who was big and fast, with very little awareness of cat signals, and not too surprisingly, she bit him one day, so she went into isolation for ten days--but i continued to work with her, and she continued to respond. she was still nuts, mind you, but less so. the shelter board asked me to write up an evaluation on her so they could decide
Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat
On 1/1/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My apologies to Missy. I can only speak from experience. :)) By the way, I know what a grey tabby is but what does a blue tabby look like? You can imagine the shades of blue I am thinking of. Here are all the tabby colors: A brown tabby has black stripes on a brownish or grayish ground color. The black stripes may be coal black, or a little bit brownish. A blue tabby has gray stripes on a grayish or buff ground color. The gray stripes may be a dark slate gray, or a lighter blue-gray. A red tabby has orange stripes on a cream ground color. The orange stripes may be dark reddish orange, or light marmalade orange. A cream tabby has cream stripes on a pale cream ground color. These stripes look sand-colored or peach-colored rather than orange. A silver tabby has black stripes on a white ground color. The roots of the hairs are white. You can also have a blue silver, cream silver, or red silver tabby (red silver is also known as cameo tabby) depending on the color of the stripes. In all cases, silver tabbies have a pale ground color and white roots. To make sure, part the hairs and look at the roots. From http://www.petcaretips.net/cat_colors.html Here is a picture of a blue tabby http://www.nevas-berlin.de/Bilder/Wuerfe/N-Musikanten/Nacho/nacho-5w-1.jpg Of course, Missy is the most beautiful blue tabby in all the world:) Have you tried the Feliway spray in her nesting area? It will make her feel safer. I used bottles of the stuff with the Royal Princess Kitty Katt. Right now I honestly cannot afford it. Hopefully next payday. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat
And Missy and I take umbrage at your statement. It is quite clear to us that blue tabbies rule the world!:) sigh, those blue ones--they're always SO jealous that they're missing the red gene -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat
Hi Kelley, You can try an off brand of Feliway. Petsmart sells one called At Ease by NaturVet. I've used both and they seem pretty comparable. Your sweet Missy may rule the world, but I'm betting she does it with her charm and beauty. I didn't even tell Ursula, (my Calico girl, who rules with an iron claw), what you said about Tabbies. She's the reason I had to find a cheaper source for the Feliway spay and I didn't want to have to break it out again. Nina Kelley Saveika wrote: On 1/1/07, *Marylyn* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My apologies to Missy. I can only speak from experience. :)) By the way, I know what a grey tabby is but what does a blue tabby look like? You can imagine the shades of blue I am thinking of. Of course, Missy is the most beautiful blue tabby in all the world:) Have you tried the Feliway spray in her nesting area? It will make her feel safer. I used bottles of the stuff with the Royal Princess Kitty Katt. Right now I honestly cannot afford it. Hopefully next payday.
Re: URI all over my house
I'm wondering if Shimmer brought the URI back from the vet. You can try the children's nose drops called Little Noses. Do you have any antibiotics in the house? Here's a quick paste of some of our discussions on URIs: *Treatment for URI and immune booster* What my vet told me is that the Albuterol works to make them feel better - it breaks up the chest/nasal congestion they have when they have a URI. This is good because when they feel better and can smell their food they start eating. I had a kitten with severe URI that I thought was going to lose. He didn't start eating until after I took him to my current vet and they started nebulizing him. Within 24 hours after that he was eating (I had been syringing him with A/D). My cats have still had to have antibiotics when they have URI, though. Here is a link to more information about Albuterol. http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/medmaster/a682145.html I keep a nebulizer (bought on Ebay for $25 - MUCH more expensive if bought at a drug store - about $100+) and a stock of Albuterol for sick kittens. My vet sold me a bag of the Albuterol capsules for about $10. * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]* *Vitatabs by Naturepet*: I have thought of posting this several times but I really feel almost embarrassed to do so because it seems way too simplistic. When several of my negatives came down at once (again) with URIs (On Christmas Eve no less) and in desperation I visited our pathetic pet store that sells practically nothing useful, I found some Vitatabs by Naturepet. I bought the things not thinking for one moment they would be helpful. I fed them to the cats and all 3 animals recovered by morning. THAT has never happened before. Well, I thought it a tad too good to be true and a few weeks later another cat came down with a mild URI and once again I tried the vitamins and by morning, he was fine. I feed quality pet foods with some fresh food thrown in so there shouldn't be any nutritional inadequacies but nonetheless, I have had success with these vitamins and URIs. In fact, I haven't had any problems with the cats since. I now give the vitamins several times a week. So for what it is worth here is the product: http://www.petfooddirect.com/store/product_detail.asp?pf%5Fid=10955510dept%5Fid=210brand%5Fid=241Page= http://www.petfooddirect.com/store/product_detail.asp?pf%5Fid=10955510dept%5Fid=210brand%5Fid=241Page= Kelley Saveika wrote: Ugh. I come home from work yesterday and every single cat I have (except Caroline, who is isolated) has runny nose and sneezing. Of course Missy, with her bad immune system, has it worse than anyone; she's already got piles of yellow discharge coming out of her nose. And of course my vet is closed until Tuesday. I just had Shimmer at the vet Friday for a bladder infection; he had no signs of URI at that time. WHere does it come from?
Re: FELV article
Kelley, Thanks! I have 9 cats; 3 of whom recently tested a faint + for FeLv (they are part of a litter of 4 foster kittens). This article gives me a bit of hope. My real cats were unwittingly exposed to 2 of the fosters, as they had originally tested negative. I decided to have them re-tested in early December, and now they are a faint positive. Meanwhile, they had been living with my adult cats, who had were not current on the FeLv vaccination (as they never had any exposure, I didn't rush to get it done.) Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought this was interesting and one of the better ones out there. Much better than that Cornell page. I'm not sure what I think of his opinion of the SNAP test being highly accurate, though. Maybe it is in the context he is using the term. http://www.2ndchance.info/flv.htm -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Barbara Hervey Oberst __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: FELV article
I was in the exact same situation, except I only had one foster kitten who tested faint +. I was FREAKING OUT. The kitten later tested negative, as did all her littermates. I really wish they didn't have a faint +. I found it very confusing. The best info I could find said a faint + meant the cat had been exposed to the virus, but it wasn't very active in its blood. Which told me then and still tells me not much. At any rate, not only are there lots of positives (and I'd imagine even more lots of faint positives) that are test errors, bad chemicals, who knows what, but there are lots of cats who are exposed and never develop the disease (though I guess they could test positive in that window of time while they were throwing it off.) It is a very confusing and frustrating disease to say the least. There are some here who don't believe in testing at all. There are also some on this list who believe that any cat who has been exposed to other cats - certainly in a shelter situation - has been exposed to FELV. So I was thinking, OMG my cats might have been exposed - when they almost certainly had already been at some point. On 1/1/07, Barbara Oberst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kelley, Thanks! I have 9 cats; 3 of whom recently tested a faint + for FeLv (they are part of a litter of 4 foster kittens). This article gives me a bit of hope. My real cats were unwittingly exposed to 2 of the fosters, as they had originally tested negative. I decided to have them re-tested in early December, and now they are a faint positive. Meanwhile, they had been living with my adult cats, who had were not current on the FeLv vaccination (as they never had any exposure, I didn't rush to get it done.) *Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: I thought this was interesting and one of the better ones out there. Much better than that Cornell page. I'm not sure what I think of his opinion of the SNAP test being highly accurate, though. Maybe it is in the context he is using the term. http://www.2ndchance.info/flv.htm -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 *Barbara Hervey Oberst* __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
Re: OT: food allergic cat
HAPPY NEW YEAR, CAT PEOPLE!!! Thank you everyone for the responses to my food allergy question. I forgot you're all on vacation, I put my question out there and then left to get ready to visit friends for New Years Eve, y'all answered back right away and I wasn't home to read it... I'm pretty sure my vet said he didn't have a good way of testing for food allergies. :-( I'll question him on this again tomorrow, a simple blood test would be wonderful. I suspected a seafood allergy, (their wet food was Friskie's seafood flavors, not good but I was sick of throwing out untouched plates of EVO). The first food we tried when he started scratching was Wysong's Anergen lamb and rice, which is supposed to be hypoallergenic. It contains even more unusual ingredients than Wellness, including sage, rosemary, garlic, black pepper, and artichoke, plus they won't eat it. Innova Evo includes fish meal or herring as an ingredient. It is very difficult to find any food that doesn't. The best we could come up with over the counter was to find one without whole fish, but just fish oil as an ingredient further down the list. Thus the Wellness. I like the ingredients in the California Natural that Phaewryn suggests, nice short simple list without fish ingredients, but it says ADULT CAT FOOD in big letters across the front so I've always put it back. Four of my five are only 9 months old, I was committed to feeding a higher calorie kitten food until they are one year old, but maybe I'll have to bump up that time-line in light of Scooter's problem. I guess we'll try the Hill's prescription diet next, and then go from there, homeopathic if the diet doesn't work... Just as an aside, he is tolerating the collar really well. Our big girl bully Blue is afraid of it, he has realized this and is trying to establish dominance over Ms. Nasty. She kept going after Will and Dash the other night, Gary jumped out of bed twice to break up fights, finally she pinned one of them in the laundry room 'til they cried. Gary decided three times out of bed was enough, tried to catch her to lock her up in the spare bedroom for the night, she started running all over the front room with Gary right behind, and then Scooter decided to join in the chase. That collar is his Superman cape, gives him all the confidence he needs when dealing with Blue... :o) Thank you all again for the good advice, I'll let you know how it goes, Beth
Re: URI all over my house
I just got over a terrible cold myself, so I understand how your kitties feel! It can be brought in that same way as a human cold (they are both viruses), so it's possible you brought it in the house on you, if you visited a shelter, or touched any outside cats, it could have come in on your hands or clothes. Or it could have come from the new cat, I recall you saying that your cats have gone in the bathroom with her and you shooed them out. URI can be airborne, and the symptoms can vary from cat to cat, so she may not have looked sick, but still have it (and that would explain her lack of appetite too). Phaewryn Don't Lose Your Pet! Register at AWOLpet.com: http://AWOLPet.com (use referral code: LittleCheetah) Whitey's Story: http://ucat.us/Whitey.html 12/24/06 Whitey Pictures: http://ucat.us/Whitey/WhiteyNewPics.html Whitey Models on Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/Cleos-Catnip-ORGANIC-2-ounces-cat-nip-KITTY-YUMMY_W0QQitemZ140067996154QQihZ004QQ
Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat
Oh, wow, my Miranda is technically a blue tabby then! All this time I have called her gray/silver. http://ucat.us/Miranda2005-2.jpg (granted the lighting here makes her look pink) http://ucat.us/Miranda12-26-2006-3.jpg http://ucat.us/Miranda12-26-2006-4.jpg Phaewryn Don't Lose Your Pet! Register at AWOLpet.com: http://AWOLPet.com (use referral code: LittleCheetah) Whitey's Story: http://ucat.us/Whitey.html 12/24/06 Whitey Pictures: http://ucat.us/Whitey/WhiteyNewPics.html Whitey Models on Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/Cleos-Catnip-ORGANIC-2-ounces-cat-nip-KITTY-YUMMY_W0QQitemZ140067996154QQihZ004QQ
Re: OT: food allergic cat
Thanks Marilyn, I don't mind the work if it helps us figure out this problem. I know I'm supposed to add some type of vitamins and bone meal if I do homemade, I'll check the archives and net for a recipe and supplement source. He's sleeping in my lap now. :o) Beth
Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat
So is Dixie Louise Doodle Katt, Junior Partner (and a bunch of ferals I try to assist). I stand by my Calico comments. Dixie is not easily offended.The Royal Princess Kitty Katt stayed offended. Grey/Blue tabbies are so easy to live with. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 1:08 PM Subject: Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat Oh, wow, my Miranda is technically a blue tabby then! All this time I have called her gray/silver. http://ucat.us/Miranda2005-2.jpg (granted the lighting here makes her look pink) http://ucat.us/Miranda12-26-2006-3.jpg http://ucat.us/Miranda12-26-2006-4.jpg Phaewryn Don't Lose Your Pet! Register at AWOLpet.com: http://AWOLPet.com (use referral code: LittleCheetah) Whitey's Story: http://ucat.us/Whitey.html 12/24/06 Whitey Pictures: http://ucat.us/Whitey/WhiteyNewPics.html Whitey Models on Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/Cleos-Catnip-ORGANIC-2-ounces-cat-nip-KITTY-YUMMY_W0QQitemZ140067996154QQihZ004QQ
kittens have diarrhea
The three kittens I am fostering, whose mom tested a faint positive 12/24, have ongoing diarrhea. They have received Albon and Metronidazole but the diarrhea (liquid) continues. They are eating Purina One kitten chow, plus quite a mix of what is available around the house (Science Diet adult, Innova Adult, and Purina DM). This is not optimal for controlling intestinal issues, but again, I don't want to lock them up. Other than the diarrhea they are a normal and lively lot. Of course since they have possible exposure to FeLV I am fretting that the diarrhea is indicative of something sinister. How should I proceed? Back to the vet, or hope it works itself out? What is the likelihood FeLV is the base culprit? thanks, Lynette =^..^= The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be measured by the way in which its animals are treated. --Mahatma Gandhi, 1869-1948
Re: kittens have diarrhea
How long have they been on Albon and metronidazole? And how old are they? Good appetites, playful? Kittens often have diarrhea. I wouldn't be too worried at this point. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The three kittens I am fostering, whose mom tested a faint positive 12/24, have ongoing diarrhea. They have received Albon and Metronidazole but the diarrhea (liquid) continues. They are eating Purina One kitten chow, plus quite a mix of what is available around the house (Science Diet adult, Innova Adult, and Purina DM). This is not optimal for controlling intestinal issues, but again, I don't want to lock them up. Other than the diarrhea they are a normal and lively lot. Of course since they have possible exposure to FeLV I am fretting that the diarrhea is indicative of something sinister. How should I proceed? Back to the vet, or hope it works itself out? What is the likelihood FeLV is the base culprit? thanks, Lynette =^..^= The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be measured by the way in which its animals are treated. --Mahatma Gandhi, 1869-1948
Re: kittens have diarrhea
Try Apple Pectin and/or Metamucil in small amounts. Also try probiotics/yogurt with active ingredients. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 2:17 PM Subject: kittens have diarrhea The three kittens I am fostering, whose mom tested a faint positive 12/24, have ongoing diarrhea. They have received Albon and Metronidazole but the diarrhea (liquid) continues. They are eating Purina One kitten chow, plus quite a mix of what is available around the house (Science Diet adult, Innova Adult, and Purina DM). This is not optimal for controlling intestinal issues, but again, I don't want to lock them up. Other than the diarrhea they are a normal and lively lot. Of course since they have possible exposure to FeLV I am fretting that the diarrhea is indicative of something sinister. How should I proceed? Back to the vet, or hope it works itself out? What is the likelihood FeLV is the base culprit? thanks, Lynette =^..^= The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be measured by the way in which its animals are treated. --Mahatma Gandhi, 1869-1948
Re: kittens have diarrhea
FELV doesn't usually cause diarrhea (not in itself, though I believe lymphoma can, and FELV does cause lymphoma). However, bad food is the #1 cause. Purina is crap, throw it away, feed it to the raccoons, just get rid of it. Feed a high quality kitten food, like Innova, Wellness, or Chicken Soup brands. Read labels, does you food contain corn? If so, there's your diarrhea. Even quite a few premium brands still contain corn, so it's VITAL that you read the label for ingredients. Phaewryn Don't Lose Your Pet! Register at AWOLpet.com: http://AWOLPet.com (use referral code: LittleCheetah) Whitey's Story: http://ucat.us/Whitey.html 12/24/06 Whitey Pictures: http://ucat.us/Whitey/WhiteyNewPics.html Whitey Models on Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/Cleos-Catnip-ORGANIC-2-ounces-cat-nip-KITTY-YUMMY_W0QQitemZ140067996154QQihZ004QQ
Re: kittens have diarrhea
My first impulse is to not suspect felv. It would be highly unusual for them all, esp at the same time, to display the same symptom, (diarrhea) as an indication of felv compromising their immune systems. It is much more likely a product of immature gi's dealing with your smorgasborg feeding stations :). I would contact the vet if I were you to have their stool tested for parasites, (including giardia and coccidia). [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The three kittens I am fostering, whose mom tested a faint positive 12/24, have ongoing diarrhea. They have received Albon and Metronidazole but the diarrhea (liquid) continues. They are eating Purina One kitten chow, plus quite a mix of what is available around the house (Science Diet adult, Innova Adult, and Purina DM). This is not optimal for controlling intestinal issues, but again, I don't want to lock them up. Other than the diarrhea they are a normal and lively lot. Of course since they have possible exposure to FeLV I am fretting that the diarrhea is indicative of something sinister. How should I proceed? Back to the vet, or hope it works itself out? What is the likelihood FeLV is the base culprit? thanks, Lynette =^..^= The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be measured by the way in which its animals are treated. --Mahatma Gandhi, 1869-1948
Re: URI all over my house
Everyone has clear nasal discharge and sneezing, except Missy who is covered in yellowish snot. I just cleaned about a pound of it off her tiny nose, poor baby. Going to get meds tomorrow. On 1/1/07, Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just got over a terrible cold myself, so I understand how your kitties feel! It can be brought in that same way as a human cold (they are both viruses), so it's possible you brought it in the house on you, if you visited a shelter, or touched any outside cats, it could have come in on your hands or clothes. Or it could have come from the new cat, I recall you saying that your cats have gone in the bathroom with her and you shooed them out. URI can be airborne, and the symptoms can vary from cat to cat, so she may not have looked sick, but still have it (and that would explain her lack of appetite too). Phaewryn Don't Lose Your Pet! Register at AWOLpet.com: http://AWOLPet.comhttp://awolpet.com/(use referral code: LittleCheetah) Whitey's Story: http://ucat.us/Whitey.html 12/24/06 Whitey Pictures: http://ucat.us/Whitey/WhiteyNewPics.html Whitey Models on Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/Cleos-Catnip-ORGANIC-2-ounces-cat-nip-KITTY-YUMMY_W0QQitemZ140067996154QQihZ004QQ -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
Re: OT: food allergic cat
You wrote: Just my opinion, mind you, but the point of allergy diets is to eliminate possible allergens, to try to figure out what is the cause. So doesn't it make sense to use a food that eliminates MORE stuff rather than less? Phaewryn I totally agree, it is crazy how many extra natural things they throw in and then call a diet hypoallergenic. I have fed Blue the CalNat Herring and Sweet Potato in the past, she hated it first try, then seemed to like it on my next attempt. Then I switched to all kitten food for everyone to make it easier, so she hasn't had it in a while. I guess I could switch them all to an adult dry food free choice, and still supplement the others by feeding them a kitten wet while I lock-up Scooter. H... Thanks, Beth
Re: kittens have diarrhea
I got to doing some digging, and came upwith this... Purina ONE feline growth ingredients: Chicken, chicken by-product meal, soy flour, corn gluten meal, brewers rice, beef tallow preserved with mix d-tocopherols (source of Vitamin E), corn meal, fish meal, poultry by-product meal, natural flavors, wheat gluten, phosphoric acid, salt, brewers dried yeast, potassium chloride, choline chloride, taurine, vitamin supplements (E, A, B-12, D-3), zinc sulfate, ferrous sulfate, riboflavin supplement, dl-methionine, niacin, calcium pantothenate, manganese sulfate, biotin, thiamine mononitrate, folic acid, copper sulfate, pyridoxine hydrochloride, citric acid, menadione sodium bisulfite complex (source of Vitamin K activity), calcium iodate, sodium selenite. Purina Kitten Chow (Nurturing Formula): Poultry by-product meal, Brewers rice, Corn gluten meal, Soy flour, Animal fat preserved with mixed-tocopherols (form of Vitamin E), Fish meal, Wheat flour, Brewers dried yeast, Phosphoric acid, Animal digest, Tetra sodium pyrophosphate, Calcium carbonate, Salt, Potassium chloride, Choline chloride, Taurine, Zinc sulfate, Ferrous sulfate, Vitamin E supplement, Manganese sulfate, Niacin, Vitamin A supplement, Calcium pantothenate, Thiamine mononitrate, Copper sulfate, Riboflavin supplement, Vitamin B-12 supplement, Pyridoxine hydrochloride, Folic acid, Vitamin D-3 supplement, Calcium iodate, Biotin, Menadione sodium bisulfite complex (source of Vitamin K activity), Sodium selenite. I advise staying away from corn and wheat in cat foods, corn because cat's don't digest it well, and wheat because it's a huge cause of food allergies. Here's a link to go look at other cat and kitten food choices and ingredients: http://www.petfooddirect.com/store/brands4dept.asp?dept%5Fid=5mscssid=AMP9W4QD50BU8PD334JJWQ8QJC9X0R89 Here's some I suggest: Innova Evo Cat and Kitten: Turkey, Chicken, Chicken Meal, Herring Meal, Potatoes, Chicken Fat, Egg, Turkey Meal, Natural Flavors, Apples, Carrots, Tomatoes, Cottage Cheese, Dried Chicory Root, Taurine, Herring Oil, Rosemary Extract, Vitamins/Minerals, Viable Naturally Occurring Microorganisms Wellness Super5Mix Kitten: Deboned Chicken, Chicken Meal, Chicken Liver, Ground Brown Rice, Ground Whole Oats, Canola Oil (Preserved With Mixed Tocopherols Rosemary), Cranberries, Blueberries, Flax Seed, Eggs, Peas, Taurine, Garlic, Alfalfa Leaf, Spirulina, Norwegian Kelp, Whole Apples, Zucchini, Sweet Potatoes, Yucca Schidigera, Chondroitin Sulfate, Glucosamine, Pro-Biotics (Lactobacillus Plantarum, Enterococcus Faecium, Lactobacillus Casei, Lactobacillus Acidophilus), Pre-Biotics (Mannanoligosaccharides), Beta-Carotene, Choline Chloride, Calcium Carbonate, Zinc Proteinate (A Chelated Source Of Zinc), Vitamin E Supplement, Zinc Oxide, Ferrous Sulfate, Iron Proteinate (A Chelated Source Of Iron), Manganese Proteinate (A Chelated Source Of Manganese), Calcium Pantothenate, Niacin Supplement, Sodium Selenite, Vitamin A Acetate, Folic Acid, Cobalt Proteinate (A Chelated Source Of Cobalt), Copper Sulfate, Cobalt Carbonate, Riboflavin Supplement (Vitamin B-2), Copper Proteinate (A Chelated Source Of Copper), Thiamine Mononitrate (Vitamin B-1), Vitamin D-3 Supplement, Calcium Iodate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Menadione Sodium Bisulfite Complex (Source Of Vitamin K Activity). Other than improving your food... I'd get a inpouch tritrichomonsis test done. Phaewryn Don't Lose Your Pet! Register at AWOLpet.com: http://AWOLPet.com (use referral code: LittleCheetah) Whitey's Story: http://ucat.us/Whitey.html 12/24/06 Whitey Pictures: http://ucat.us/Whitey/WhiteyNewPics.html Whitey Models on Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/Cleos-Catnip-ORGANIC-2-ounces-cat-nip-KITTY-YUMMY_W0QQitemZ140067996154QQihZ004QQ
kittens with diarrhea
Thank you for your suggestions. We are going to change the smorgasboard into Innova Evo only. Cast of characters: Our cats: Smokey, 3.5 yrs, healthy Bandit, 3.5 yrs, healthy Otis, ~13 yrs, FIV+, hyperthyroid Gussie, 11 yrs, diabetic, brain damage from hypothyroid coma induced by too much insulin (we got her days after she came out of the coma) Foster cats: 3 kittens, Taylor, Jackie, Kayla, possible FeLV exposure from mother The smorgasboard originated this way: the kittens came to us on Purina; rather than change diet and annoy bowels that way, we just left them on it. The DM was for Gussie; of course she prefers the Innova anyway, and the protein/carb balance in it is acceptable for her, so the other cats were eating diabetic food and she was eating theirs. Otis will eat Science Diet or table scraps, your choice (rescue cat who had been fed table food by the classic little old lady who supported him off her dinner). He absolutely refuses Innova and is thinner than we'd like already. Our new plan is to meal-feed Otis Science Diet, unless by some miracle he decides the Innova is ok, and leave only the Innova down for free-feeding. In answer to the question about the Albon and Metronidazole, they were on the meds 10 days. They have received weight-appropriate dosages of Drontal twice; they had tapeworms and because they had diarrhea the vet recommended treating twice as the dewormer potentially was not in their systems long enough to be completely effective. Can you tell me what an inpouch tritrichomonsis test is? Google is not returning any results. A fecal and exam follow up seems appropriate to me once we see if making their food consistent helps. How long should we wait? Lynette =^..^= The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be measured by the way in which its animals are treated. --Mahatma Gandhi, 1869-1948
Re: kittens have diarrhea
I would try just evo, and if it continues, I would ask the vet to try a week course of metronidazole (flagyl) to clear up whatever is causing it. Michelle
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oops-- sorry, I had not read the original post. I see they are already on metronidazole. Yes, then I would focus on diet. Michelle
Re: kittens have diarrhea
if diet does not fix it, I would get a fecal test sent out. Some parasites and other things need specific treatment. Michelle
Re: URI all over my house
Lysine and/or amoxicillin should get rid of it. If not, try Immuno-regulin as well with the immune-compromised kitty. Sometimes lysine alone will get rid of uri's. Michelle In a message dated 1/1/2007 7:06:30 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ugh. I come home from work yesterday and every single cat I have (except Caroline, who is isolated) has runny nose and sneezing. Of course Missy, with her bad immune system, has it worse than anyone; she's already got piles of yellow discharge coming out of her nose. And of course my vet is closed until Tuesday. I just had Shimmer at the vet Friday for a bladder infection; he had no signs of URI at that time. WHere does it come from?
Re: kittens have diarrhea
Keep in mind that a lot of times giardia does not show up on fecal. How long have they been on metronidazole? Have they been dewormed, preferably with Drontal? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: if diet does not fix it, I would get a fecal test sent out. Some parasites and other things need specific treatment. Michelle
Re: please add my Lizzie to CLS and prayer list
Hideyo, I just read this and am so, so sorry. I can not believe all your losses. Please call if you ever need to talk. Michelle
Re: kittens with diarrhea
That may be the case. I do find it bizarre that all of a sudden I'm getting so many positives for trich... but then, there wasn't a test before, so that explains why I just began to find them. Err DUH! If you don't test for it, you don't KNOW about it. I just am glad it's finally becoming known, because it's curable, and lots of cats probably suffered their whole life with it up until now. Phaewryn Don't Lose Your Pet! Register at AWOLpet.com: http://AWOLPet.com (use referral code: LittleCheetah) Whitey's Story: http://ucat.us/Whitey.html 12/24/06 Whitey Pictures: http://ucat.us/Whitey/WhiteyNewPics.html Whitey Models on Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=140070302069
RE: Sorry
Ok I did the paypal part.. I think I need help with outlook express. Thanks Sally _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 10:30 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Sorry It's real easy, just log in to your paypal account, and there's a tab at the top that says Merchant Services click on that, then when that page loads, scroll down and on the far right-hand side of the screen is a box that's titled Key Features, one of the links in it is donations, if you click on that, it goes to another page where you just fill out a form with your info (what people are donating for), make sure you click to no button so it will create an email link, and then submit it create button now and it makes you a link to copy, and you just put that link in your email signature. If you use outlook express I can help you do that too, if you don't know how. Phaewryn Don't Lose Your Pet! Register at AWOLpet.com: http://AWOLPet.com (use referral code: LittleCheetah) Whitey's Story: http://ucat.us/Whitey.html 12/24/06 Whitey Pictures: http://ucat.us/Whitey/WhiteyNewPics.html Whitey Models on Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/Cleos-Catnip-ORGANIC-2-ounces-cat-nip-KITTY-YUMMY_W0QQit emZ140067996154QQihZ004QQ
Re: kittens with diarrhea
info if your vet needs to know where to get the kits or needs more info) http://www.fabcats.org/tritrichomonas.html (this is a link that has more abou t trich) Now that I read this article, I realize that our rescue group vet mentioned this in connection with an adult with persisent diarrhea I fostered previously (diagnosed with IBD), so I am sure he is aware of it. I have a gut feeling that it's something like this -- a parasite that Drontal doesn't kill. And now that I think about it, their mom had diarrhea too (she is in another home so is less present in my mind). I'll get them to the vet for some fun poop checks, hopefully Wednesday. Thanks for a great link. I think the Evo will help, and I think a viable option for your table scrap k itty would be to feed raw or at least home-made, as it will be more of the flavo r and food type he is used to, but healthier than actual human scraps. We do give him cooked chicken and turkey when we have it on hand (we eat most meals at home so it's on hand fairly frequently) To really do handmade properly requires a lot of nutritional effort that I'm sure is outlined in the links you shared and I'm sure you're well aware of. I've done a ton of nutritional reading and just simply have not had the time/energy to do this right. Hence the Innova in the main bowl; I decided it was the best I could do short of BARF/homemade. Lynette
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Try Apple Pectin and/or Metamucil in small amounts. Also try probiotics/yogurt with active ingredients. We are using Purina veterinary diets fortiflora mixed into IVD/Royal Canin limited ingredient wet food at night. I don't know whether to continue this, with the stop the smorgasboard plan in effect, but it's certainly in the probiotic concept. Lynette
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Keep in mind that a lot of times giardia does not show up on fecal. How long have they been on metronidazole? Have they been dewormed, preferably with D rontal? They were on met for 10 days (off now). They've been dewormed twice with Drontal. Lynette
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You cannot add too many probiotics. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 5:50 PM Subject: Re: kittens have diarrhea Try Apple Pectin and/or Metamucil in small amounts. Also try probiotics/yogurt with active ingredients. We are using Purina veterinary diets fortiflora mixed into IVD/Royal Canin limited ingredient wet food at night. I don't know whether to continue this, with the stop the smorgasboard plan in effect, but it's certainly in the probiotic concept. Lynette
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Oh yeah, I completely understand! I don't do raw or homemade myself for JUST that reason, too much effort (and money)! It might be ok to just feed him the chicken and turkey you are plus a bit of a general supplement, like say Feline Missing Link, or Vita-tabs, or anything just as a general vitamin/mineral source (not optimal, but better than just the meat alone). If he's refusing to eat the kibble, and all he is eating is chicken and turkey though, it's not going to be a viable long-term option. lemme see... there are commercially prepared raw diets... maybe that he would eat. http://www.wildkittycatfood.com/ http://www.homemade4life.com/main.html http://www.onlynaturalpet.com/products/Northwest-Naturals-Raw-Cat-Food/167014.aspx http://www.onlynaturalpet.com/products/Primal-Pet-Foods-Raw-Cat-Food/165006.aspx http://www.onlynaturalpet.com/products/Natures-Variety-Raw-Food-Diets/131069.aspx http://www.felinefuture.com/products/ (a premade supplement balanced to just add water, organs and meat and feed) There are many others. Money is MY personal limiting factor as to why I don't do this. It's time and money. If I feed raw and make my own, it's a time issue; if I were to buy premade raw like those above, it's a money issue. It might not be bad for one cat, like you would need, but I have 7 cats here, one of which has no teeth, so anything I would feed to him I have to dice into 1/4 inch cubes. Anyways... at the least, the Feline Future link, the bottom one, would be a good way to make your currently fed chicken and turkey more complete (though you really should add some organs too). I just don't want you to end up with a sick cat, he can't continue to eat just chicken and turkey long term, it's not healthy or balanced. Phaewryn Don't Lose Your Pet! Register at AWOLpet.com: http://AWOLPet.com (use referral code: LittleCheetah) Whitey's Story: http://ucat.us/Whitey.html 12/24/06 Whitey Pictures: http://ucat.us/Whitey/WhiteyNewPics.html Whitey Models on Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=140070302069
Re: kittens have diarrhea
probiotics are good, no matter what you feed, I would continue to add the probiotics! I'm currently using the Purina fortiflora packs myself, as my vet sent my cat home from the hospital with an opened box, and I think it's a good product, he seems improved already. Normally I wouldn't buy anything made by Purina, but this product seems to be a good one. The fact is, most likely Purina buys this in bulk from someone else that makes it and just re-packages it in those little single packs in a box and marks it up like 200% and calls it their own, anyways. :-) Phaewryn Don't Lose Your Pet! Register at AWOLpet.com: http://AWOLPet.com (use referral code: LittleCheetah) Whitey's Story: http://ucat.us/Whitey.html 12/24/06 Whitey Pictures: http://ucat.us/Whitey/WhiteyNewPics.html Whitey Models on Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=140070302069
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How does the poo smell (fouler than usual diarrhea)? Is it greenish at all? Is it a pattie-like consistency, similar to cow patties? Trich is usually greenish cow pattie like poo with a TERRIBLE smell, very odorific. Phaewryn Don't Lose Your Pet! Register at AWOLpet.com: http://AWOLPet.com (use referral code: LittleCheetah) Whitey's Story: http://ucat.us/Whitey.html 12/24/06 Whitey Pictures: http://ucat.us/Whitey/WhiteyNewPics.html Whitey Models on Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=140070302069
OT Happy New Year! URI Human to Cats?
Hi everyone! I have been very busy and am trying to catch up with the postings and everything happing. I hope everyone is doing fine and that we all have the VERY best new yr!:) I have a question...might have been asked /answered already. My entire household has just gotten over nasty URI. My son actually having to go to the hospital. Of course in the mist of a hectic week:( and holidays. We are all fine now:) 100% but Crackers is sneezing and once in awhile coughing. But is fine other then that. Eating like a horse. bathrooming fine and is still very playful and purring like a motor boat. I will take him to vet just to check. LOL I hope new vet doesn't think Im crazy! Then again my son goes to Dr.s the second he blinks wrong. I guess ...whats the saying better to awe on the side of caution. Ok after that long paragragh LOL Here is the question??? Can cats catch the URI from us humans. We all have been sick and I did goe inside one animal shelter with my son to drop off christmas gifts to the orphans but with time being short these few past weeks we didn't go in and play with any of them. Hope everything is fine. HAPPY NEW YR! kayte and Crackers
RE: please add my Lizzie to CLS and prayer list
Thanks, Michelle - I miss her more every day - she truly believed that I was her mommy as I was the first thing whom she saw when she first opened her eyes - I would take her to work with me every day so that I could bottle feed her for the first three weeks of her life - god I miss her so much - she is one of the most affectionate creature I ever met - I cannot stop my tears falling down when I think of her, Michelle -- _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 3:50 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: please add my Lizzie to CLS and prayer list Hideyo, I just read this and am so, so sorry. I can not believe all your losses. Please call if you ever need to talk. Michelle
Re: kittens have diarrhea
How does the poo smell (fouler than usual diarrhea)? Is it greenish at all? I s it a pattie-like consistency, similar to cow patties? Trich is usually greenish co w pattie like poo with a TERRIBLE smell, very odorific. It's quite odorific. However, it is brown, not green. Just darker than tan? Basically, they rot. It's 50/50 when they hop in your lap if the smell is tolerable. My adults are grooming them, but not a lot yet. Lynette
Re: kittens with diarrhea
Oh yeah, I completely understand! I don't do raw or homemade myself for JUST that reason, too much effort (and money)! It might be ok to just feed him the chic ken and turkey you are plus a bit of a general supplement, like say Feline Missing Li nk, or Vita-tabs, or anything just as a general vitamin/mineral source (not optimal, but better than just the meat alone). If he's refusing to eat the kibble, and all he is eating is chicken and turkey though, it's not going to be a viable long-term option. Ahh, I see. Yes, this is exactly why I was planning to continue to offer him Science diet several times a day. I know just plain old chicken/turkey is not nutritionally complete. This was more about getting him some healthy calories to replace some of the cancer corn. I'll take a look at the links and if there's a supplement maybe I can shift the balance some. The other confession I should make, while I'm confessing my cat feeding sins is, we give Otis, Bandit, Smokey 1/2 can fancy feast each, each evening. Gussie has to get wet DM so we can shoot her safely with insulin, and the babies have been having the limited ingredient with the probiotic mixed in. Maybe if you all yell at me enough, I'll figure out how to replace the FF with something better -- but they are totally addicted to whatever kittykrack the nasty FF makers put in there. What a super cool group. I am amazed at the level of answers, how much everyone knows, etc... and how tolerant everyone seems to be. I'm delighted to have found this group. Lynette
Re: please add my Lizzie to CLS and prayer list
Hideyo, I'm so sorry - many prayers and good wishes for her peace. Sleep soft... Gloria At 05:20 PM 12/18/2006, you wrote: My little gentle soul, Lizzie passed away this morning she is the sweetest and kindest and most affectionate soul I have ever counted I have bottle fed her from the day one and its been such a pleasure to have met her I miss her just so terribly and I feel so empty all over .. please pray for her peace.
Re: question about lucy and ibd symptom
I don't know, but she sounds like she is having either cramps or gas. I really don't know what to do about cramps in an IBD cat... but MAYBE a heat pack under he belly could make her more comfortable. But as to why now, and not before, I have no idea. Maybe before she was just hiding her pain better, and when she saw that YOU were sick, and didn't hide your suffering, it made her feel like she didn't have to hide hers? I dunno, I'm attributing human psychology to a cat there, so it's a long shot. Or maybe someone else in the family was sneaking her something she usually doesn't get because you are paying attention, and you were in bed not watching? (I don't know if you have kids apt to do something like that or not) Phaewryn Don't Lose Your Pet! Register at AWOLpet.com: http://AWOLPet.com (use referral code: LittleCheetah) Whitey's Story: http://ucat.us/Whitey.html 12/24/06 Whitey Pictures: http://ucat.us/Whitey/WhiteyNewPics.html Whitey Models on Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=140070302069
Re: question about lucy and ibd symptom
I did put a hot water bottle under a cushion, and she is laying on it. She definitely has not had this symptoms before-- I can tell it is not something she has had and hidden. She looks terrible. I don't have to wonder about someone sneaking her anything-- I myself gave her dry evo for a few days, which she seemed to tolerate until 2 days ago. I stopped giving it to her yesterday, though, because she got sick like this the night before last. thanks, michelle In a message dated 1/1/2007 8:17:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't know, but she sounds like she is having either cramps or gas. I really don't know what to do about cramps in an IBD cat... but MAYBE a heat pack under he belly could make her more comfortable. But as to why now, and not before, I have no idea. Maybe before she was just hiding her pain better, and when she saw that YOU were sick, and didn't hide your suffering, it made her feel like she didn't have to hide hers? I dunno, I'm attributing human psychology to a cat there, so it's a long shot. Or maybe someone else in the family was sneaking her something she usually doesn't get because you are paying attention, and you were in bed not watching? (I don't know if you have kids apt to do something like that or not) Phaewryn
Re: kittens have diarrhea
so it's light in color? It could still be trich though, even if it's not the right color, I would do the testing and see what comes up. Maybe take in a mixed poo sample from the box, a dab from each kitten. How long ago were they weaned? I missed their age I think? Is it patty-like, it holds it's form kind of in a puddle in the box, not real liquidy? Does it stick to the bottom of the box, like clay? I would add more fiber to their diet, which is the opposite of feeding the low-residue food. It may get worse before it gets better that way though. The concept behind the low residue food is that there's less to poo so it makes for less diarrhea. Where the idea of adding more fiber works by absorbing some of the liquid, and makes poo more solid (but it makes more poo). Evo is low residue too though, so you'd have to add a secondary fiber source. Pumpkin, or a fiber supplement for humans (just make sure there's no chemicals and it's JUST fiber, I'm not sure of cat safe OTC fiber drugs), or Feline Missing Link, that's high fiber too. Phaewryn Don't Lose Your Pet! Register at AWOLpet.com: http://AWOLPet.com (use referral code: LittleCheetah) Whitey's Story: http://ucat.us/Whitey.html 12/24/06 Whitey Pictures: http://ucat.us/Whitey/WhiteyNewPics.html Whitey Models on Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=140070302069
Re: kittens with diarrhea
Mine get occasional fancy feast too, it's not too bad if it's limited to a snack, and not the primary food source. I use it to hide medicine in all the time, it's a great kitty junk food. Just remember that's what it is, and use it accordingly. You wouldn't eat a big mac and a large fry for all your daily meals, if you did, it would be bad. Treat FF like fast food for cats, good for occasional happiness, but not good for much else. I usually split 2 cans between 6 cats, so it's a heaping tablespoon each. Like a good dessert, LOL! Just don't give it to the poopy kittens, it's got too much stomach and intestinal irritating junk in it for them just now. My cats HATE the canned EVO, they would rather starve than eat it. The Califorina Natural canned seems to go over better, and the Wellness canned seems to be even better, for my cats anyways. Phaewryn Don't Lose Your Pet! Register at AWOLpet.com: http://AWOLPet.com (use referral code: LittleCheetah) Whitey's Story: http://ucat.us/Whitey.html 12/24/06 Whitey Pictures: http://ucat.us/Whitey/WhiteyNewPics.html Whitey Models on Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=140070302069
Re: question about lucy and ibd symptom
Maybe you vet could give her something for the pain, at least. The IBD is so hard, because anything you can normally give to a cat to help them makes the IBD flare up. I feel bad for her and you! I'm glad I don't have any IBD here, it would drive me insane, I think. What about Slippery Elm? Hasn't that been suggested in the past for soothing IBD pain? Are you on the yahoogroup for IBD support? Maybe they might have an idea? Phaewryn Don't Lose Your Pet! Register at AWOLpet.com: http://AWOLPet.com (use referral code: LittleCheetah) Whitey's Story: http://ucat.us/Whitey.html 12/24/06 Whitey Pictures: http://ucat.us/Whitey/WhiteyNewPics.html Whitey Models on Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=140070302069
Re: lucy and ibd - colitis/depo medrol
One of my own cats, Marie, developed colitis as a result of tritrichomonas foetus. Took months to get her through it. Her lower intestines were so inflamed that she was in pain and did not want to eat. What really worked for her was a depo medrol injection. That got the inflammation down while the metronidazole (after the ronidazole) had time to work. Over a 6 month period she needed 2 depo injections. I've had two other cats with bad parasite infections who needed a depo injection while treatment kicked in. Side note -- my vet did not want to call it IBD because he felt the term was overused. He called it colitis and the tritrich was confirmed by a fecal test. Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe you vet could give her something for the pain, at least. The IBD is so hard, because anything you can normally give to a cat to help them makes the IBD flare up. I feel bad for her and you! I'm glad I don't have any IBD here, it would drive me insane, I think. What about Slippery Elm? Hasn't that been suggested in the past for soothing IBD pain? Are you on the yahoogroup for IBD support? Maybe they might have an idea? Phaewryn Don't Lose Your Pet! Register at AWOLpet.com: http://AWOLPet.com (use referral code: LittleCheetah) Whitey's Story: http://ucat.us/Whitey.html 12/24/06 Whitey Pictures: http://ucat.us/Whitey/WhiteyNewPics.html Whitey Models on Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=140070302069
Re: lucy and ibd - colitis/depo medrol
Were Maris's symptoms constant, or only at a particular time of day? Lucy has had colitis symptoms before, treated with pred and flagyl, just has never had these episodes of a few hours a day of visible dicomfort. other times of day she eats, etc., but this is the second time in 3 nights she has been sick at night. thanks, michelle In a message dated 1/1/2007 9:07:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: One of my own cats, Marie, developed colitis as a result of tritrichomonas foetus. Took months to get her through it. Her lower intestines were so inflamed that she was in pain and did not want to eat. What really worked for her was a depo medrol injection. That got the inflammation down while the metronidazole (after the ronidazole) had time to work. Over a 6 month period she needed 2 depo injections. I've had two other cats with bad parasite infections who needed a depo injection while treatment kicked in. Side note -- my vet did not want to call it IBD because he felt the term was overused. He called it colitis and the tritrich was confirmed by a fecal test.
RE: please add my Lizzie to CLS and prayer list
Hideyo, I am very sorry for you loss. You are in my prayers. Sally -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of G. Lane Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 8:10 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: please add my Lizzie to CLS and prayer list Hideyo, I'm so sorry - many prayers and good wishes for her peace. Sleep soft... Gloria At 05:20 PM 12/18/2006, you wrote: My little gentle soul, Lizzie passed away this morning - she is the sweetest and kindest and most affectionate soul I have ever counted - I have bottle fed her from the day one and it's been such a pleasure to have met her - I miss her just so terribly and I feel so empty all over... please pray for her peace.
Re: lucy and ibd - colitis/depo medrol
Marie was pretty consistently miserable. It was obvious that her tummy hurt a lot. And she was leaking watery/bloody feces. (Didn't even look like feces. Very scary.) Any chance that the pred is affecting the timing of Lucy's discomfort? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Were Maris's symptoms constant, or only at a particular time of day? Lucy has had colitis symptoms before, treated with pred and flagyl, just has never had these episodes of a few hours a day of visible dicomfort. other times of day she eats, etc., but this is the second time in 3 nights she has been sick at night. thanks, michelle In a message dated 1/1/2007 9:07:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: One of my own cats, Marie, developed colitis as a result of tritrichomonas foetus. Took months to get her through it. Her lower intestines were so inflamed that she was in pain and did not want to eat. What really worked for her was a depo medrol injection. That got the inflammation down while the metronidazole (after the ronidazole) had time to work. Over a 6 month period she needed 2 depo injections. I've had two other cats with bad parasite infections who needed a depo injection while treatment kicked in. Side note -- my vet did not want to call it IBD because he felt the term was overused. He called it colitis and the tritrich was confirmed by a fecal test.
Re: lucy and ibd - colitis/depo medrol
She was down to every other day at 1.25 mg, in the morning. I started giving it to her twice a day, same dose, starting last night. My guess is that it has to do with her digestion cycle. She has only been moving her bowels at night, and maybe the food hits her colon around this time and she gets spasms or something. I can't figure out any other explanation. her ibd symptoms were under control. Michelle In a message dated 1/1/2007 9:44:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Marie was pretty consistently miserable. It was obvious that her tummy hurt a lot. And she was leaking watery/bloody feces. (Didn't even look like feces. Very scary.) Any chance that the pred is affecting the timing of Lucy's discomfort?
Re: lucy and ibd - colitis/depo medrol
She still looks out of it, but I offered her the water bowl and she seemed interested but then saw it was just water and looked at me. So I offered her her raw food, and she started eating. While laying down. I can't figure out what she is feeling. Michelle
Re: lucy and ibd - colitis/depo medrol
Hi Sweetie, I'm sorry to hear Lucy is so uncomfortable. Gypsy has been acting a little off the last few days too. I'm so lucky that she doesn't seem to tire of her turkey mush. I know that if I were to take to my bed she'd be in big trouble. She still needs me to pet her when she eats. If Gypsy eats /anything/ other than her mush, she becomes symptomatic again. Did I read that you gave her reglan and it helped? That's one of the things I reach for when she's doing that hunched back, my tummy doesn't feel good, kind of thing. Usually one dose is enough to help her, this last bout of not feeling great has been dragging on for her though. I can tell she still doesn't feel her normal 85%. Your supposition about her bowel cycle sounds right to me too, maybe it also has to do with excess gas from the diet change. Have you tried to reintroduce the mush, (or whatever she's been doing well on that she decided not to eat when she started having her tummy aches), earlier in the day when she's feeling better? Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: She was down to every other day at 1.25 mg, in the morning. I started giving it to her twice a day, same dose, starting last night. My guess is that it has to do with her digestion cycle. She has only been moving her bowels at night, and maybe the food hits her colon around this time and she gets spasms or something. I can't figure out any other explanation. her ibd symptoms were under control. Michelle In a message dated 1/1/2007 9:44:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Marie was pretty consistently miserable. It was obvious that her tummy hurt a lot. And she was leaking watery/bloody feces. (Didn't even look like feces. Very scary.) Any chance that the pred is affecting the timing of Lucy's discomfort?
Re: lucy and ibd - colitis/depo medrol
Aww, I really feel for you guys. I am so familiar with what you are going through. If she's eating the raw, I'd stick to that. Consistency really does seem to be the key around here. I think she just feels crummy. It's a good sign that she still wants to eat, even if you have to bring the food to her. Feel better soon little Lucy, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: She still looks out of it, but I offered her the water bowl and she seemed interested but then saw it was just water and looked at me. So I offered her her raw food, and she started eating. While laying down. I can't figure out what she is feeling. Michelle
RE: please add my Lizzie to CLS and prayer list
Dear Sally, thank you so very much -- I know that 2006 has been a very sad year for you as well -- and Tiny and Lizzie are probably watching us from kitty heaven smiling... I am so very sorry of your loses as well.. Hideyo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sally Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 7:29 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: please add my Lizzie to CLS and prayer list Hideyo, I am very sorry for you loss. You are in my prayers. Sally -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of G. Lane Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 8:10 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: please add my Lizzie to CLS and prayer list Hideyo, I'm so sorry - many prayers and good wishes for her peace. Sleep soft... Gloria At 05:20 PM 12/18/2006, you wrote: My little gentle soul, Lizzie passed away this morning - she is the sweetest and kindest and most affectionate soul I have ever counted - I have bottle fed her from the day one and it's been such a pleasure to have met her - I miss her just so terribly and I feel so empty all over... please pray for her peace.
Re: OT Happy New Year! URI Human to Cats?
Hi Kayte, I'm sorry your son was in the hospital. That is no good, especially around Christmas. Human URI and cat URI aren't interchangeable. Even though I know it seems that way sometimes - my cats and I are all sick right now! On 1/1/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone! I have been very busy and am trying to catch up with the postings and everything happing. I hope everyone is doing fine and that we all have the VERY best new yr!:) I have a question...might have been asked /answered already. My entire household has just gotten over nasty URI. My son actually having to go to the hospital. Of course in the mist of a hectic week:( and holidays. We are all fine now:) 100% but Crackers is sneezing and once in awhile coughing. But is fine other then that. Eating like a horse. bathrooming fine and is still very playful and purring like a motor boat. I will take him to vet just to check. LOL I hope new vet doesn't think Im crazy! Then again my son goes to Dr.s the second he blinks wrong. I guess ...whats the saying better to awe on the side of caution. Ok after that long paragragh LOL Here is the question??? Can cats catch the URI from us humans. We all have been sick and I did goe inside one animal shelter with my son to drop off christmas gifts to the orphans but with time being short these few past weeks we didn't go in and play with any of them. Hope everything is fine. HAPPY NEW YR! kayte and Crackers -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
Re: lucy and ibd - colitis/depo medrol
The reglan actually seemed to make her feel worse-- very restless in addition to discomfort. That can be a side effect of it. She will not eat the mush anymore, no matter what. She does want her raw food again, with the feline futures, and so she is eating that. She ate quite a bit of it today. But then got uncomfortable at about 6 pm. She still looks out of it to me, but is laying in a normal position and ate some. But she does not want to be pet, which is unusual for her, and she only is like that when she is uncomfortable. patches won't eat the turkey mush either at this point. They both decided to stop eating it. It is not the batch, because I made another batch. Patches and Ginger, when they ate canned food, used to simultaneously stop eating whatever flavor they had been insisting on for weeks, and I would think it was something wrong with the can and open another, but no, they just both decided to boycott that flavor and wanted to switch. Patches and Lucy both seem to be doing that with the turkey mush now, which is ok for patches because she can eat other things, but not ok for Lucy. Michelle In a message dated 1/1/2007 10:03:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Sweetie, I'm sorry to hear Lucy is so uncomfortable. Gypsy has been acting a little off the last few days too. I'm so lucky that she doesn't seem to tire of her turkey mush. I know that if I were to take to my bed she'd be in big trouble. She still needs me to pet her when she eats. If Gypsy eats anything other than her mush, she becomes symptomatic again. Did I read that you gave her reglan and it helped? That's one of the things I reach for when she's doing that hunched back, my tummy doesn't feel good, kind of thing. Usually one dose is enough to help her, this last bout of not feeling great has been dragging on for her though. I can tell she still doesn't feel her normal 85%. Your supposition about her bowel cycle sounds right to me too, maybe it also has to do with excess gas from the diet change. Have you tried to reintroduce the mush, (or whatever she's been doing well on that she decided not to eat when she started having her tummy aches), earlier in the day when she's feeling better? Nina
Re: lucy and ibd - colitis/depo medrol
Nina, Has Gypsy ever had this thing of only feeling sick at a certain time of day? Michelle In a message dated 1/1/2007 11:05:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Sweetie, I'm sorry to hear Lucy is so uncomfortable. Gypsy has been acting a little off the last few days too. I'm so lucky that she doesn't seem to tire of her turkey mush. I know that if I were to take to my bed she'd be in big trouble. She still needs me to pet her when she eats. If Gypsy eats anything other than her mush, she becomes symptomatic again. Did I read that you gave her reglan and it helped? That's one of the things I reach for when she's doing that hunched back, my tummy doesn't feel good, kind of thing. Usually one dose is enough to help her, this last bout of not feeling great has been dragging on for her though. I can tell she still doesn't feel her normal 85%. Your supposition about her bowel cycle sounds right to me too, maybe it also has to do with excess gas from the diet change. Have you tried to reintroduce the mush, (or whatever she's been doing well on that she decided not to eat when she started having her tummy aches), earlier in the day when she's feeling better? Nina
Re: lucy and ibd - colitis/depo medrol
Not that I've noticed, but come to think of it, when she's having an episode she does usually feel worse at night than in the daytime. I attributed it to her being allowed to play in the yard during the day and figured she must have eaten something out there. A blade of grass might set her off, certainly somebody's left over sparrow would give her trouble. N [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nina, Has Gypsy ever had this thing of only feeling sick at a certain time of day? Michelle
Re: OT Happy New Year! URI Human to Cats?
An interesting topic that always peaks my interest. I believe there are a few zoonotic diseases that can have upper respiratory effets in both cats and humans, and are transmissible visa-versa, namely Chlamydia and Tuberculosis (both very rare) come to mind, but there's another too, that I can't find off-hand. NOT, the common cold or typical feline URI though! http://www.messybeast.com/zoonoses.htm says: Persistent streptococcal infections in cats can cause tonsilitis and pharyngitis in the owners. Feline conjunctivitis can be caused by a variety of conditions including bacterial or viral infections; conjunctivitis caused by a foreign body may lead to a secondary bacterial infection. Since some of these germs can also infect humans, it is wise to observe basic hygiene precautions when handling cats with conjunctivitis. Most cases are easily treated in both cats and humans by eye drops and eye ointments - often containing the same active ingredients! Mycobacterium tuberculosis and related tuberculosis-causing mycobacteria can infect cats and be transmitted to humans. It is particularly dangerous to humans with poor immune systems e.g. with HIV. Since there is no fully effective treatment in cats, euthanasia is recommended to reduce the risk to humans. It is, however, a rare disease in cats. Most viruses are extremely species specific. Feline Immunodeficiency Virus, Feline Infectious Peritonitis, and Feline Leukaemia Virus can not cause illness in people. A cat can not catch a human common cold, although there is indication that canine coronavirus infection may potentiate FIP in cats and human influenza can infect cats. As well as rabies, there are a few feline viral infections which can cause illness in humans. Chlamydia causes conjunctivitis in cats and, less commonly, respiratory symptoms. In humans it can cause pneumonia; however human infection (psittacosis) is generally from parrots and cage birds. There are only isolated cases of chlamydia being spread from cat to human. Chlamydia psitta ci was renamed chlamydophilia felis in 2002, reflecting its role in causing conjunctivitis in cats and its prevalence. However, the old name is still widely used and probably more familiar to doctors and veterinarians. And noteworthy: Asian Bird Flu Feline H5N1(goes from cat to human MAYBE, but not visa-versa) In February 2004, scientists in Thailand confirmed the first cases of Asian Bird Flu in cats. The H5N1 virus is most common in intensively farmed chickens, but also affects pigeons, ducks and other wildfowl. It had killed 22 people across several Asian countries. Thai veterinarian Teeraphon Sirinauemit confirmed that H5N1 bird flu had been found in domestic cats and a white tiger (by 2006, 147 tigers in a Thai Zoo had died after eating infected chicken). The discovery was significant because every time the virus jumps species, the risk of mutation into a human form increases. Autopsies and virus tests found H5N1 in 3 cats at Kasetsart University's animal hospital. They were among 15 cats owned by a man living near an infected chicken farm in Nakorn Pathom, 37 miles (60 Km) west of Bangkok. At least one cat had eaten an infected chicken carcass and 14 of the 15 cats died. A white tiger at Khao Khiew private zoo in Chonburi province tested positive for H5N1, but recovered. H5N1 killed a rare Thai clouded leopard at the same zoo in January 2004. The cause was raw chicken fed to the big cats. The occurrence of H5N1 in domestic cats is due to eating raw chicken, proximity to infected farms, through contact with infected bird carcasses or through close contact with cats already infected. All the affected domestic cats had a high degree of exposure to the virus. Almost all cases of H5N1 in humans are traceable to infected chickens or infected wildfowl. Although cats are susceptible to the virus, they have not been found to pose a danger to humans. Thai pet owners took immediate precautions, switching meals from cooked chicken to beef. Owners were advised not to let their cats eat dead chicken carcasses, dead birds, or any dead animals found in infected areas. Cat lovers who feed the strays and semi-feral cats around temples were asked not to feed raw chicken. This aims to prevent H5N1 from jumping to other cats and reduces the risk of mutation. By April 2006, there are still no known cases of bird flu transmitted from cats to humans. However, it is recommended that cats be kept indoors (and dogs be kept on the leash) in areas where H5N1 is confirmed. There is no data on how easily cats become infected or whether they can excrete the virus in a form infectious to humans or back to birds once infected. Infected cats get lung or gut infections. In areas where H5N1 is not endemic there is little cause for owners to be concerned. Cat welfare groups fear a witch-hunt against feral cats and an increase in abandoned or unwanted cats. Preventing cats from coming into contact with infected birds keeps cats - and
Re: lucy and ibd - colitis/depo medrol
I can also tell you when I lowered Bailey's pred his tummy aches due to undiagnosed pancreatitis seemed to be worse. And I know of one cat that has been on pred for 10 yrs because of IBD, she has to be on about 2.5 and hasn't had a flared up for years until recently. After a week or so and $600.00 for all kinds of tests that never did tell them what was wrong, Mel her Mom finally just figured it was a panceatitis flare up and upped her pred, she was better, they gradually lowered her pred back to 2.5. She is fine today. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com