Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat

2007-01-01 Thread Kelley Saveika

Miss Caroline has gotten a TINY bit better.  I fixed her up a nest in the
linen closet, with the door cracked open.  Sometimes she will go and get in
it, and then the growling is not as severe.  Sometimes she chooses to still
be in the sink, though, and then we get the growling, the bared teeth, tail
swishing, and hissing.

She also has not eaten anything:(.  She has urinated a tiny bit in the
litter box, so I guess she is drinking at least a small amount.

And Missy and I take umbrage at your statement.  It is quite clear to us
that blue tabbies rule the world!:)


On 12/31/06, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 It is totally amazing how much the ones that require the most work and
most patience come to mean to us.  This darling chose you.  You are honored
beyond words.

PS  I know what you mean about Calicos ruling the world---I had
the privilege of living with the Royal Princess Kitty Katt.






 If you have men who will
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of
compassion and pity, you will have men who
 will deal likewise with
their fellow man.
  St.
Francis

- Original Message -
*From:* TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED]
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Sent:* Sunday, December 31, 2006 10:06 AM
*Subject:* Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat


let me tell you about lacey susan, whom i affectionately refer to as my
psychotic, all-4-paw-declawed psychotic calico she was rescued at 4
weeks,  and lived with one woman til she was 5 years old. she was
front-declawed as a baby, and rear-declawed at around 3, because the new
husband was worried about his hardwood floors. (the cat weighed about 8# at
her heaviest.)  the husband died, and the baby was born--and it was one of
those babies who truly was allergic to everything, including milk. so lacey
went to live with her grandma, where she spent all her time hiding under the
computer desk.

she came into the shelter where i volunteered, and i was told that she was
most probably going to have to be euthed because she was nuts she'd do
the headbonk, nudge, pet-me, pet-me, love-me, hiss, growl, bite,
i'm-going-to-rip-off-your-face, headbonk, pet-me, pet-me routine she
also looked almost identical to my FirstCalico, who'd gone to the bridge two
years previously--and as you know, it's not usual to find two calicos with
markings that similar. so, of course, i had to give her a chance. i am NOT
reliably a communicator, but some cats DO talk quite clearly to me, and she
has always been one. i realized she was terrifed, and acting out of fear and
abandonment. i figured, hey, she has no claws, and as long as i stay away
from the teeth, what's she gonna do to me, anyway? started out talking to
her in her cage, and i promised her that no one would ever hurt her left
her a shirt of mine to sleep with, to have my scent. over the following
days, i was able to pick her up--the only person who could--and take her
into the huge staff bathroom we had. i'd take a book, some toys, and just
sit on the floor and leave her be. she'd sniff under the door, come over and
nudge me, play with the toys, headbonk, and demand petting in between her
i'm going to kill you, human episodes. i'd spend an hour or two with her
each day. she'd go ballistic when i went to put her back in the cage, but
other than that, she was definitely calming down--for me, at least.

there was a volunteer there who was big and fast, with very little
awareness of cat signals, and not too surprisingly, she bit him one day, so
she went into isolation for ten days--but i continued to work with her, and
she continued to respond. she was still nuts, mind you, but less so.

the shelter board asked me to write up an evaluation on her so they could
decide whether she should be put up for adoption, and one of the members
decided that she could tame her, and took her home for two weeks. when she
came back, she was worse than when she'd first come into the shelter, poor
dear. the board had decided that she could only go to an only cat home, so i
would not be able to adopt her. i was broken hearted, and pretty much stayed
away from her, because i didn't want to get close to her again.

two weeks later, they told me i could take her if i wanted to, because i
was the only person she'd ever responded to, and otherwise they'd have to
euthanize her. i was ecstatic. i was concerned about how she'd do with the
fully-clawed cats in the house--ha! i swear this cat files her teeth down in
her spare time, they were in far more danger from her than she ever was from
them! it was awful--she was attacking them constantly, as she'd managed to
figure out how to reliably get out of the isolation space. she was attacking
everything, actually--furniture, stuffed animals, me i had rescue remedy
in a  

Re: OT: thank you for all your support for 2006

2007-01-01 Thread Kelley Saveika

Hideyo,

I so hope this year is much better for you and all your kitties remain in
good health.


On 12/31/06, Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hideyo,thank YOU for all you do for us and your fur kids.I hope for a much
better year for you and all of us.Bless you
Sherry and my 4 beautiful furry boys

*Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote:

 Hi, everyone, I just wanted to thank you all who gave me supports to get
through difficult times this year – this year has been one of the most
difficult years for me and my kitties – I lost so many of my kitties for
different illness –it's been devastating.  Because of people who suppored me
from different list group, I learned more every day and gave me strengths
and courage to be able to cope with the pains when I felt that I couldn't
any more ---  these pains will never go away, but I know that I am a  little
bit stronger every day to live with them.

 I hope lots of happiness and joys to all of you and your kitties in 2007.

Hideyo


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URI all over my house

2007-01-01 Thread Kelley Saveika

Ugh.  I come home from work yesterday and every single cat I have (except
Caroline, who is isolated) has runny nose and sneezing.  Of course Missy,
with her bad immune system, has it worse than anyone; she's already got
piles of yellow discharge coming out of her nose.  And of course my vet is
closed until Tuesday.

I just had Shimmer at the vet Friday for a bladder infection; he had no
signs of URI at that time.  WHere does it come from?

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FELV article

2007-01-01 Thread Kelley Saveika

I thought this was interesting and one of the better ones out there.  Much
better than that Cornell page.  I'm not sure what I think of his opinion of
the SNAP test being highly accurate, though.  Maybe it is in the context he
is using the term.

http://www.2ndchance.info/flv.htm

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Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat

2007-01-01 Thread Marylyn
My apologies to Missy.  I can only speak from experience.  :))  By the way, I 
know what a grey tabby is but what does a blue tabby look like?  You can 
imagine the shades of blue I am thinking of.  

Have you tried the Feliway spray in her nesting area?  It will make her feel 
safer.  I used bottles of the stuff with the Royal Princess Kitty Katt.  






 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of compassion 
and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with their 
fellow man.
  St. Francis
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kelley Saveika 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 5:56 AM
  Subject: Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat


  Miss Caroline has gotten a TINY bit better.  I fixed her up a nest in the 
linen closet, with the door cracked open.  Sometimes she will go and get in it, 
and then the growling is not as severe.  Sometimes she chooses to still be in 
the sink, though, and then we get the growling, the bared teeth, tail swishing, 
and hissing. 

  She also has not eaten anything:(.  She has urinated a tiny bit in the litter 
box, so I guess she is drinking at least a small amount.

  And Missy and I take umbrage at your statement.  It is quite clear to us that 
blue tabbies rule the world!:)

   
  On 12/31/06, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
It is totally amazing how much the ones that require the most work and most 
patience come to mean to us.  This darling chose you.  You are honored beyond 
words.  

PS  I know what you mean about Calicos ruling the world---I had the 
privilege of living with the Royal Princess Kitty Katt.






 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
  St. 
Francis
  - Original Message - 
  From: TenHouseCats 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 10:06 AM
  Subject: Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat

   
  let me tell you about lacey susan, whom i affectionately refer to as my 
psychotic, all-4-paw-declawed psychotic calico she was rescued at 4 weeks,  
and lived with one woman til she was 5 years old. she was front-declawed as a 
baby, and rear-declawed at around 3, because the new husband was worried about 
his hardwood floors. (the cat weighed about 8# at her heaviest.)  the husband 
died, and the baby was born--and it was one of those babies who truly was 
allergic to everything, including milk. so lacey went to live with her grandma, 
where she spent all her time hiding under the computer desk. 

  she came into the shelter where i volunteered, and i was told that she 
was most probably going to have to be euthed because she was nuts she'd do 
the headbonk, nudge, pet-me, pet-me, love-me, hiss, growl, bite, 
i'm-going-to-rip-off-your-face, headbonk, pet-me, pet-me routine she also 
looked almost identical to my FirstCalico, who'd gone to the bridge two years 
previously--and as you know, it's not usual to find two calicos with markings 
that similar. so, of course, i had to give her a chance. i am NOT reliably a 
communicator, but some cats DO talk quite clearly to me, and she has always 
been one. i realized she was terrifed, and acting out of fear and abandonment. 
i figured, hey, she has no claws, and as long as i stay away from the teeth, 
what's she gonna do to me, anyway? started out talking to her in her cage, and 
i promised her that no one would ever hurt her left her a shirt of mine to 
sleep with, to have my scent. over the following days, i was able to pick her 
up--the only person who could--and take her into the huge staff bathroom we 
had. i'd take a book, some toys, and just sit on the floor and leave her be. 
she'd sniff under the door, come over and nudge me, play with the toys, 
headbonk, and demand petting in between her i'm going to kill you, human 
episodes. i'd spend an hour or two with her each day. she'd go ballistic when i 
went to put her back in the cage, but other than that, she was definitely 
calming down--for me, at least. 

  there was a volunteer there who was big and fast, with very little 
awareness of cat signals, and not too surprisingly, she bit him one day, so she 
went into isolation for ten days--but i continued to work with her, and she 
continued to respond. she was still nuts, mind you, but less so. 

  the shelter board asked me to write up an evaluation on her so they could 
decide 

Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat

2007-01-01 Thread Kelley Saveika

On 1/1/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 My apologies to Missy.  I can only speak from experience.  :))  By the
way, I know what a grey tabby is but what does a blue tabby look like?  You
can imagine the shades of blue I am thinking of.




Here are all the tabby colors:

A brown tabby has black stripes on a brownish or grayish ground color.
The black stripes may be coal black, or a little bit brownish.

A blue tabby has gray stripes on a grayish or buff ground color. The gray
stripes may be a dark slate gray, or a lighter blue-gray.

A red tabby has orange stripes on a cream ground color. The orange
stripes may be dark reddish orange, or light marmalade orange.

A cream tabby has cream stripes on a pale cream ground color. These
stripes look sand-colored or peach-colored rather than orange.

A silver tabby has black stripes on a white ground color. The roots of
the hairs are white.

You can also have a blue silver, cream silver, or red silver tabby
(red silver is also known as cameo tabby) depending on the color
of the stripes. In all cases, silver tabbies have a pale ground color
and white roots. To make sure, part the hairs and look at the roots.



From http://www.petcaretips.net/cat_colors.html


Here is a picture of a blue tabby
http://www.nevas-berlin.de/Bilder/Wuerfe/N-Musikanten/Nacho/nacho-5w-1.jpg

Of course, Missy is the most beautiful blue tabby in all the world:)



Have you tried the Feliway spray in her nesting area?  It will make her
feel safer.  I used bottles of the stuff with the Royal Princess Kitty
Katt.




Right now I honestly cannot afford it.  Hopefully next payday.




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Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat

2007-01-01 Thread TenHouseCats


And Missy and I take umbrage at your statement.  It is quite clear to us
that blue tabbies rule the world!:)




sigh, those blue ones--they're always SO jealous that they're missing the
red gene

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Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat

2007-01-01 Thread Nina

Hi Kelley,
You can try an off brand of Feliway.  Petsmart sells one called At 
Ease by NaturVet.  I've used both and they seem pretty comparable. 

Your sweet Missy may rule the world, but I'm betting she does it with 
her charm and beauty.  I didn't even tell Ursula, (my Calico girl, who 
rules with an iron claw), what you said about Tabbies.  She's the reason 
I had to find a cheaper source for the Feliway spay and I didn't want to 
have to break it out again.

Nina


Kelley Saveika wrote:



On 1/1/07, *Marylyn* [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


My apologies to Missy.  I can only speak from experience.  :))  By
the way, I know what a grey tabby is but what does a blue tabby
look like?  You can imagine the shades of blue I am thinking of.


Of course, Missy is the most beautiful blue tabby in all the world:)

 
Have you tried the Feliway spray in her nesting area?  It will

make her feel safer.  I used bottles of the stuff with the Royal
Princess Kitty Katt. 
 

 
Right now I honestly cannot afford it.  Hopefully next payday.


Re: URI all over my house

2007-01-01 Thread Nina
I'm wondering if Shimmer brought the URI back from the vet.  You can try 
the children's nose drops called Little Noses.  Do you have any 
antibiotics in the house?   Here's a quick paste of some of our 
discussions on URIs:


*Treatment for URI
and immune booster*

What my vet told me is that the Albuterol works to make them feel 
better - it breaks up the chest/nasal congestion they have when they 
have a URI.  This is good because when they feel better and can smell 
their food they start eating.  I had a kitten with severe URI that I 
thought was going to lose.  He didn't start eating until after I took 
him to my current vet and they started nebulizing him.  Within 24 
hours after that he was eating (I had been syringing him with A/D).  
My cats have still had to have antibiotics when they have URI, though.


Here is a link to more information about Albuterol. 


http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/medmaster/a682145.html

I keep a nebulizer (bought on Ebay for $25 - MUCH more expensive if 
bought at a drug store - about $100+) and a stock of Albuterol for 
sick kittens.  My vet sold me a bag of the Albuterol capsules for 
about $10.


* mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]*

*Vitatabs by Naturepet*:

I have thought of posting this several times but I really feel almost 
embarrassed to do so because it seems way too simplistic.  When several 
of my negatives came down at once (again) with URIs (On Christmas Eve no 
less) and in desperation I visited our pathetic pet store that sells 
practically nothing useful, I found some Vitatabs by Naturepet.  I 
bought the things not thinking for one moment they would be helpful.  I 
fed them to the cats and all 3 animals recovered by morning.  THAT has 
never happened before.  Well, I thought it a tad too good to be true and 
a few weeks later another cat came down with a mild URI and once again I 
tried the vitamins and by morning, he was fine.  I feed quality pet 
foods with some fresh food thrown in so there shouldn't be any 
nutritional inadequacies but nonetheless, I have had success with these 
vitamins and URIs.  In fact, I haven't had any problems with the cats 
since. I now give the vitamins several times a week.  So for what it is 
worth here is the product:


http://www.petfooddirect.com/store/product_detail.asp?pf%5Fid=10955510dept%5Fid=210brand%5Fid=241Page= 
http://www.petfooddirect.com/store/product_detail.asp?pf%5Fid=10955510dept%5Fid=210brand%5Fid=241Page=




Kelley Saveika wrote:
Ugh.  I come home from work yesterday and every single cat I have 
(except Caroline, who is isolated) has runny nose and sneezing.  Of 
course Missy, with her bad immune system, has it worse than anyone; 
she's already got piles of yellow discharge coming out of her nose.  
And of course my vet is closed until Tuesday.
 
I just had Shimmer at the vet Friday for a bladder infection; he had 
no signs of URI at that time.  WHere does it come from?


Re: FELV article

2007-01-01 Thread Barbara Oberst
Kelley,
   
  Thanks!  I have 9 cats; 3 of whom recently tested a faint + for FeLv (they 
are part of a litter of 4 foster kittens).  This article gives me a bit of 
hope.  My real cats were unwittingly exposed to 2 of the fosters, as they had 
originally tested negative.  I decided to have them re-tested in early 
December, and now they are a faint positive.  Meanwhile, they had been living 
with my adult cats, who had were not current on the FeLv vaccination (as they 
never had any exposure, I didn't rush to get it done.)
   
  

Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I thought this was interesting and one of the better ones out there.  Much 
better than that Cornell page.  I'm not sure what I think of his opinion of the 
SNAP test being highly accurate, though.  Maybe it is in the context he is 
using the term. 
   
  http://www.2ndchance.info/flv.htm

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Re: FELV article

2007-01-01 Thread Kelley Saveika

I was in the exact same situation, except I only had one foster kitten who
tested faint +.  I was FREAKING OUT.  The kitten later tested negative, as
did all her littermates.  I really wish they didn't have a faint +.  I found
it very confusing.  The best info I could find said a faint + meant the cat
had been exposed to the virus, but it wasn't very active in its blood.
Which told me then and still tells me not much.  At any rate, not only are
there lots of positives (and I'd imagine even more lots of faint positives)
that are test errors, bad chemicals, who knows what, but there are lots of
cats who are exposed and never develop the disease (though I guess they
could test positive in that window of time while they were throwing it
off.)  It is a very confusing and frustrating disease to say the least.
There are some here who don't believe in testing at all.  There are also
some on this list who believe that any cat who has been exposed to other
cats - certainly in a shelter situation - has been exposed to FELV.  So I
was thinking, OMG my cats might have been exposed - when they almost
certainly had already been at some point.

On 1/1/07, Barbara Oberst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Kelley,

Thanks!  I have 9 cats; 3 of whom recently tested a faint + for FeLv (they
are part of a litter of 4 foster kittens).  This article gives me a bit of
hope.  My real cats were unwittingly exposed to 2 of the fosters, as they
had originally tested negative.  I decided to have them re-tested in early
December, and now they are a faint positive.  Meanwhile, they had been
living with my adult cats, who had were not current on the FeLv vaccination
(as they never had any exposure, I didn't rush to get it done.)



*Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote:

I thought this was interesting and one of the better ones out there.  Much
better than that Cornell page.  I'm not sure what I think of his opinion of
the SNAP test being highly accurate, though.  Maybe it is in the context he
is using the term.

http://www.2ndchance.info/flv.htm

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Re: OT: food allergic cat

2007-01-01 Thread Gary Murphy
HAPPY NEW YEAR, CAT PEOPLE!!!
Thank you everyone for the responses to my food allergy question.  I forgot 
you're all on vacation, I put my question out there and then left to get ready 
to visit friends for New Years Eve, y'all answered back right away and I wasn't 
home to read it...
I'm pretty sure my vet said he didn't have a good way of testing for food 
allergies. :-(   I'll question him on this again tomorrow, a simple blood test 
would be wonderful.  I suspected a seafood allergy, (their wet food was 
Friskie's seafood flavors, not good but I was sick of throwing out untouched 
plates of EVO). The first food we tried when he started scratching was Wysong's 
Anergen lamb and rice, which is supposed to be hypoallergenic.  It contains 
even more unusual ingredients than Wellness, including sage, rosemary, garlic, 
black pepper, and artichoke, plus they won't eat it.  Innova Evo includes fish 
meal or herring as an ingredient.  It is very difficult to find any food that 
doesn't.  The best we could come up with over the counter was to find one 
without whole fish, but just fish oil as an ingredient further down the list.  
Thus the Wellness.  I like the ingredients in the California Natural that 
Phaewryn suggests, nice short simple list without fish ingredients, but it says 
ADULT CAT FOOD in big letters across the front so I've always put it back.  
Four of my five are only 9 months old, I was committed to feeding a higher 
calorie kitten food until they are one year old, but maybe I'll have to bump up 
that time-line in light of Scooter's problem.  I guess we'll try the Hill's 
prescription diet next, and then go from there, homeopathic if the diet doesn't 
work...
Just as an aside, he is tolerating the collar really well.  Our big girl bully 
Blue is afraid of it, he has realized this and is trying to establish dominance 
over Ms. Nasty.  She kept going after Will and Dash the other night, Gary 
jumped out of bed twice to break up fights, finally she pinned one of them in 
the laundry room 'til they cried.  Gary decided three times out of bed was 
enough, tried to catch her to lock her up in the spare bedroom for the night, 
she started running all over the front room with Gary right behind, and then 
Scooter decided to join in the chase.  That collar is his Superman cape, gives 
him all the confidence he needs when dealing with Blue... :o)

Thank you all again for the good advice, I'll let you know how it goes,
Beth  


 










 
 
   

Re: URI all over my house

2007-01-01 Thread Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn
I just got over a terrible cold myself, so I understand how your kitties
feel! It can be brought in that same way as a human cold (they are both
viruses), so it's possible you brought it in the house on you, if you
visited a shelter, or touched any outside cats, it could have come in on
your hands or clothes. Or it could have come from the new cat, I recall you
saying that your cats have gone in the bathroom with her and you shooed
them out. URI can be airborne, and the symptoms can vary from cat to cat, so
she may not have looked sick, but still have it (and that would explain her
lack of appetite too).

Phaewryn

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Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat

2007-01-01 Thread Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn
Oh, wow, my Miranda is technically a blue tabby then! All this time I have
called her gray/silver.
http://ucat.us/Miranda2005-2.jpg (granted the lighting here makes her look
pink)
http://ucat.us/Miranda12-26-2006-3.jpg
http://ucat.us/Miranda12-26-2006-4.jpg

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Re: OT: food allergic cat

2007-01-01 Thread Gary Murphy
Thanks Marilyn, I don't mind the work if it helps us figure out this problem.  
I know I'm supposed to add some type of vitamins and bone meal if I do 
homemade, I'll check the archives and net for a recipe and supplement source.  

He's sleeping in my lap now.  :o)
Beth 

Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat

2007-01-01 Thread Marylyn
So is Dixie Louise Doodle Katt, Junior Partner (and a bunch of ferals I try to 
assist).  I stand by my Calico comments.  Dixie is not easily 
offended.The Royal Princess Kitty Katt stayed offended.  Grey/Blue 
tabbies are so easy to live with.  






 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of compassion 
and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with their 
fellow man.
  St. Francis
  - Original Message - 
  From: Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 1:08 PM
  Subject: Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat


  Oh, wow, my Miranda is technically a blue tabby then! All this time I have 
called her gray/silver.
  http://ucat.us/Miranda2005-2.jpg (granted the lighting here makes her look 
pink)
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kittens have diarrhea

2007-01-01 Thread lynette

The three kittens I am fostering, whose mom tested a faint positive
12/24, have ongoing diarrhea.

They have received Albon and Metronidazole but the diarrhea (liquid)
continues. 

They are eating Purina One kitten chow, plus quite a mix of what is
available around the house (Science Diet adult, Innova Adult, and
Purina DM). This is not optimal for controlling intestinal issues, but
again, I don't want to lock them up.

Other than the diarrhea they are a normal and lively lot. Of course
since they have possible exposure to FeLV I am fretting that the
diarrhea is indicative of something sinister.

How should I proceed? Back to the vet, or hope it works itself out?
What is the likelihood FeLV is the base culprit?

thanks,

Lynette  =^..^=

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the way in which its animals are treated. --Mahatma Gandhi, 1869-1948



Re: kittens have diarrhea

2007-01-01 Thread Susan Hoffman
How long have they been on Albon and metronidazole?  And how old are they?  
Good appetites, playful?  Kittens often have diarrhea.  I wouldn't be too 
worried at this point.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  
The three kittens I am fostering, whose mom tested a faint positive
12/24, have ongoing diarrhea.

They have received Albon and Metronidazole but the diarrhea (liquid)
continues. 

They are eating Purina One kitten chow, plus quite a mix of what is
available around the house (Science Diet adult, Innova Adult, and
Purina DM). This is not optimal for controlling intestinal issues, but
again, I don't want to lock them up.

Other than the diarrhea they are a normal and lively lot. Of course
since they have possible exposure to FeLV I am fretting that the
diarrhea is indicative of something sinister.

How should I proceed? Back to the vet, or hope it works itself out?
What is the likelihood FeLV is the base culprit?

thanks,

Lynette =^..^=

The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be measured by
the way in which its animals are treated. --Mahatma Gandhi, 1869-1948




Re: kittens have diarrhea

2007-01-01 Thread Marylyn
Try Apple Pectin and/or Metamucil in small amounts.  Also try 
probiotics/yogurt with active ingredients.





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exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
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Francis
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To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 2:17 PM
Subject: kittens have diarrhea




The three kittens I am fostering, whose mom tested a faint positive
12/24, have ongoing diarrhea.

They have received Albon and Metronidazole but the diarrhea (liquid)
continues.

They are eating Purina One kitten chow, plus quite a mix of what is
available around the house (Science Diet adult, Innova Adult, and
Purina DM). This is not optimal for controlling intestinal issues, but
again, I don't want to lock them up.

Other than the diarrhea they are a normal and lively lot. Of course
since they have possible exposure to FeLV I am fretting that the
diarrhea is indicative of something sinister.

How should I proceed? Back to the vet, or hope it works itself out?
What is the likelihood FeLV is the base culprit?

thanks,

Lynette  =^..^=

The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be measured by
the way in which its animals are treated. --Mahatma Gandhi, 1869-1948






Re: kittens have diarrhea

2007-01-01 Thread Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn
FELV doesn't usually cause diarrhea (not in itself, though I believe lymphoma 
can,
and FELV does cause lymphoma). However, bad food is the #1 cause. Purina is 
crap,
throw it away, feed it to the raccoons, just get rid of it. Feed a high quality
kitten food, like Innova, Wellness, or Chicken Soup brands. Read labels, does 
you
food contain corn? If so, there's your diarrhea. Even quite a few premium 
brands
still contain corn, so it's VITAL that you read the label for ingredients.

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Re: kittens have diarrhea

2007-01-01 Thread Nina
My first impulse is to not suspect felv.  It would be highly unusual for 
them all, esp at the same time, to display the same symptom, (diarrhea) 
as an indication of felv compromising their immune systems.  It is much 
more likely a product of immature gi's dealing with your smorgasborg 
feeding stations :).  I would contact the vet if I were you to have 
their stool tested for parasites, (including giardia and coccidia).


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

The three kittens I am fostering, whose mom tested a faint positive
12/24, have ongoing diarrhea.

They have received Albon and Metronidazole but the diarrhea (liquid)
continues. 


They are eating Purina One kitten chow, plus quite a mix of what is
available around the house (Science Diet adult, Innova Adult, and
Purina DM). This is not optimal for controlling intestinal issues, but
again, I don't want to lock them up.

Other than the diarrhea they are a normal and lively lot. Of course
since they have possible exposure to FeLV I am fretting that the
diarrhea is indicative of something sinister.

How should I proceed? Back to the vet, or hope it works itself out?
What is the likelihood FeLV is the base culprit?

thanks,

Lynette  =^..^=

The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be measured by
the way in which its animals are treated. --Mahatma Gandhi, 1869-1948



  





Re: URI all over my house

2007-01-01 Thread Kelley Saveika

Everyone has clear nasal discharge and sneezing, except Missy who is covered
in yellowish snot.  I just cleaned about a pound of it off her tiny nose,
poor baby.  Going to get meds tomorrow.

On 1/1/07, Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 I just got over a terrible cold myself, so I understand how your kitties
feel! It can be brought in that same way as a human cold (they are both
viruses), so it's possible you brought it in the house on you, if you
visited a shelter, or touched any outside cats, it could have come in on
your hands or clothes. Or it could have come from the new cat, I recall you
saying that your cats have gone in the bathroom with her and you shooed
them out. URI can be airborne, and the symptoms can vary from cat to cat, so
she may not have looked sick, but still have it (and that would explain her
lack of appetite too).

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Re: OT: food allergic cat

2007-01-01 Thread Gary Murphy
 You wrote:
Just my opinion, mind you, but the point of allergy diets is to eliminate 
possible allergens, to try to figure out what is the cause. So doesn't it make 
sense to use a food that eliminates MORE stuff rather than less?

Phaewryn

I totally agree, it is crazy how many extra natural things they throw in and 
then call a diet hypoallergenic.  I have fed Blue the CalNat Herring and 
Sweet Potato in the past, she hated it first try, then seemed to like it on my 
next attempt.  Then I switched to all kitten food for everyone to make it 
easier, so she hasn't had it in a while.  I guess I could switch them all to an 
adult dry food free choice, and still supplement the others by feeding them a 
kitten wet while I lock-up Scooter.   H...

Thanks,
Beth   

Re: kittens have diarrhea

2007-01-01 Thread Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn
I got to doing some digging, and came upwith this...

Purina ONE feline growth ingredients:

Chicken, chicken by-product meal, soy flour, corn gluten meal, brewers rice,
beef tallow preserved with mix d-tocopherols (source of Vitamin E), corn
meal, fish meal, poultry by-product meal, natural flavors, wheat gluten,
phosphoric acid, salt, brewers dried yeast, potassium chloride, choline
chloride, taurine, vitamin supplements (E, A, B-12, D-3), zinc sulfate,
ferrous sulfate, riboflavin supplement, dl-methionine, niacin, calcium
pantothenate, manganese sulfate, biotin, thiamine mononitrate, folic acid,
copper sulfate, pyridoxine hydrochloride, citric acid, menadione sodium
bisulfite complex (source of Vitamin K activity), calcium iodate, sodium
selenite.

Purina Kitten Chow (Nurturing Formula):

Poultry by-product meal, Brewers rice, Corn gluten meal, Soy flour, Animal
fat preserved with mixed-tocopherols (form of Vitamin E), Fish meal, Wheat
flour, Brewers dried yeast, Phosphoric acid, Animal digest, Tetra sodium
pyrophosphate, Calcium carbonate, Salt, Potassium chloride, Choline
chloride, Taurine, Zinc sulfate, Ferrous sulfate, Vitamin E supplement,
Manganese sulfate, Niacin, Vitamin A supplement, Calcium pantothenate,
Thiamine mononitrate, Copper sulfate, Riboflavin supplement, Vitamin B-12
supplement, Pyridoxine hydrochloride, Folic acid, Vitamin D-3 supplement,
Calcium iodate, Biotin, Menadione sodium bisulfite complex (source of
Vitamin K activity), Sodium selenite.

I advise staying away from corn and wheat in cat foods, corn because cat's
don't digest it well, and wheat because it's a huge cause of food allergies.
Here's a link to go look at other cat and kitten food choices and
ingredients:
http://www.petfooddirect.com/store/brands4dept.asp?dept%5Fid=5mscssid=AMP9W4QD50BU8PD334JJWQ8QJC9X0R89

Here's some I suggest:

Innova Evo Cat and Kitten:
Turkey, Chicken, Chicken Meal, Herring Meal, Potatoes, Chicken Fat, Egg,
Turkey Meal, Natural Flavors, Apples, Carrots, Tomatoes, Cottage Cheese,
Dried Chicory Root, Taurine, Herring Oil, Rosemary Extract,
Vitamins/Minerals, Viable Naturally Occurring Microorganisms

Wellness Super5Mix Kitten:
Deboned Chicken, Chicken Meal, Chicken Liver, Ground Brown Rice, Ground
Whole Oats, Canola Oil (Preserved With Mixed Tocopherols  Rosemary),
Cranberries, Blueberries, Flax Seed, Eggs, Peas, Taurine, Garlic, Alfalfa
Leaf, Spirulina, Norwegian Kelp, Whole Apples, Zucchini, Sweet Potatoes,
Yucca Schidigera, Chondroitin Sulfate, Glucosamine, Pro-Biotics
(Lactobacillus Plantarum, Enterococcus Faecium, Lactobacillus Casei,
Lactobacillus Acidophilus), Pre-Biotics (Mannanoligosaccharides),
Beta-Carotene, Choline Chloride, Calcium Carbonate, Zinc Proteinate (A
Chelated Source Of Zinc), Vitamin E Supplement, Zinc Oxide, Ferrous Sulfate,
Iron Proteinate (A Chelated Source Of Iron), Manganese Proteinate (A
Chelated Source Of Manganese), Calcium Pantothenate, Niacin Supplement,
Sodium Selenite, Vitamin A Acetate, Folic Acid, Cobalt Proteinate (A
Chelated Source Of Cobalt), Copper Sulfate, Cobalt Carbonate, Riboflavin
Supplement (Vitamin B-2), Copper Proteinate (A Chelated Source Of Copper),
Thiamine Mononitrate (Vitamin B-1), Vitamin D-3 Supplement, Calcium Iodate,
Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Menadione Sodium Bisulfite Complex (Source Of
Vitamin K Activity).

Other than improving your food... I'd get a inpouch tritrichomonsis test
done.

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kittens with diarrhea

2007-01-01 Thread lynette

Thank you for your suggestions. We are going to change the
smorgasboard into Innova Evo only.

Cast of characters:

Our cats:
Smokey, 3.5 yrs, healthy
Bandit, 3.5 yrs, healthy
Otis, ~13 yrs, FIV+, hyperthyroid
Gussie, 11 yrs, diabetic, brain damage from hypothyroid coma induced
by too much insulin (we got her days after she came out of the coma)

Foster cats:
3 kittens, Taylor, Jackie, Kayla, possible FeLV exposure from mother

The smorgasboard originated this way: the kittens came to us on Purina;
rather than change diet and annoy bowels that way, we just left them
on it.

The DM was for Gussie; of course she prefers the Innova anyway, and the
protein/carb balance in it is acceptable for her, so the other cats
were eating diabetic food and she was eating theirs.

Otis will eat Science Diet or table scraps, your choice (rescue cat who
had been fed table food by the classic little old lady who supported
him off her dinner). He absolutely refuses Innova and is thinner than
we'd like already.

Our new plan is to meal-feed Otis Science Diet, unless by some miracle
he decides the Innova is ok, and leave only the Innova down for
free-feeding.

In answer to the question about the Albon and Metronidazole, they were
on the meds 10 days.

They have received weight-appropriate dosages of Drontal twice; they
had tapeworms and because they had diarrhea the vet recommended
treating twice as the dewormer potentially was not in their systems
long enough to be completely effective.

Can you tell me what an inpouch tritrichomonsis test is? Google is
not returning any results. A fecal and exam follow up seems appropriate
to me once we see if making their food consistent helps. How long
should we wait?


Lynette  =^..^=

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the way in which its animals are treated. --Mahatma Gandhi, 1869-1948



Re: kittens have diarrhea

2007-01-01 Thread Lernermichelle
I would try just evo, and if it continues, I would ask the vet to try a  week 
course of metronidazole (flagyl) to clear up whatever is causing it.
Michelle


Re: kittens have diarrhea

2007-01-01 Thread Lernermichelle
oops-- sorry, I had not read the original post. I see they are already on  
metronidazole. Yes, then I would focus on diet.
Michelle


Re: kittens have diarrhea

2007-01-01 Thread Lernermichelle
if diet does not fix it, I would get a fecal test sent out. Some parasites  
and other things need specific treatment.
Michelle


Re: URI all over my house

2007-01-01 Thread Lernermichelle
 
Lysine and/or amoxicillin should get rid of it. If not, try Immuno-regulin  
as well with the immune-compromised kitty.  Sometimes lysine alone will get  
rid of uri's.
Michelle
 
 
In a message dated 1/1/2007 7:06:30 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Ugh.  I come home from work yesterday and every single cat I have  (except 
Caroline, who is isolated) has runny nose and sneezing.  Of  course Missy, with 
her bad immune system, has it worse than anyone; she's  already got piles of 
yellow discharge coming out of her nose.  And of  course my vet is closed until 
Tuesday. 
 
I just had Shimmer at the vet Friday for a bladder infection; he had no  
signs of URI at that time.  WHere does it come  from?



 


Re: kittens have diarrhea

2007-01-01 Thread Susan Hoffman
Keep in mind that a lot of times giardia does not show up on fecal.  How long 
have they been on metronidazole?  Have they been dewormed, preferably with 
Drontal?

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  if diet does not fix it, I would get a fecal test 
sent out. Some parasites and other things need specific treatment.
  Michelle



Re: please add my Lizzie to CLS and prayer list

2007-01-01 Thread Lernermichelle
Hideyo, I just read this and am so, so sorry.  I can not believe all  your 
losses. Please call if you ever need to talk.
Michelle


Re: kittens with diarrhea

2007-01-01 Thread Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn
That may be the case. I do find it bizarre that all of a sudden I'm getting
so many positives for trich... but then, there wasn't a test before, so that
explains why I just began to find them. Err DUH! If you don't test for it,
you don't KNOW about it. I just am glad it's finally becoming known, because
it's curable, and lots of cats probably suffered their whole life with it up
until now.

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RE: Sorry

2007-01-01 Thread Sally
Ok I did the paypal part.. I think I need help with outlook express.

 

Thanks 

 

Sally

 

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it will create an email link, and then submit it create button now and it
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don't know how.


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Re: kittens with diarrhea

2007-01-01 Thread lynette

 info if your vet needs to know where to get the kits or needs more info)
 http://www.fabcats.org/tritrichomonas.html (this is a link that has more abou
 t trich)

Now that I read this article, I realize that our rescue group vet
mentioned this in connection with an adult with persisent diarrhea I
fostered previously (diagnosed with IBD), so I am sure he is aware
of it. I have a gut feeling that it's something like this -- a parasite
that Drontal doesn't kill. And now that I think about it, their mom had
diarrhea too (she is in another home so is less present in my mind).
I'll get them to the vet for some fun poop checks, hopefully Wednesday.
Thanks for a great link.

 I think the Evo will help, and I think a viable option for your table scrap k
 itty
 would be to feed raw or at least home-made, as it will be more of the flavo
 r and
 food type he is used to, but healthier than actual human scraps.

We do give him cooked chicken and turkey when we have it on hand (we
eat most meals at home so it's on hand fairly frequently) To really do
handmade properly requires a lot of nutritional effort that I'm sure is
outlined in the links you shared and I'm sure you're well aware of.
I've done a ton of nutritional reading and just simply have not had the
time/energy to do this right.  Hence the Innova in the main bowl; I
decided it was the best I could do short of BARF/homemade.

Lynette



Re: kittens have diarrhea

2007-01-01 Thread lynette

 Try Apple Pectin and/or Metamucil in small amounts.  Also try 
 probiotics/yogurt with active ingredients.

We are using Purina veterinary diets fortiflora mixed into IVD/Royal
Canin limited ingredient wet food at night. I don't know whether to
continue this, with the stop the smorgasboard plan in effect, but
it's certainly in the probiotic concept.

Lynette



Re: kittens have diarrhea

2007-01-01 Thread lynette

 Keep in mind that a lot of times giardia does not show up on fecal.  How long
  have they been on metronidazole?  Have they been dewormed, preferably with D
 rontal?

They were on met for 10 days (off now). They've been dewormed twice
with Drontal.

Lynette



Re: kittens have diarrhea

2007-01-01 Thread Marylyn

You cannot add too many probiotics.






If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
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Francis
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: kittens have diarrhea





Try Apple Pectin and/or Metamucil in small amounts.  Also try
probiotics/yogurt with active ingredients.


We are using Purina veterinary diets fortiflora mixed into IVD/Royal
Canin limited ingredient wet food at night. I don't know whether to
continue this, with the stop the smorgasboard plan in effect, but
it's certainly in the probiotic concept.

Lynette






Re: kittens with diarrhea

2007-01-01 Thread Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn
Oh yeah, I completely understand! I don't do raw or homemade myself for JUST 
that
reason, too much effort (and money)! It might be ok to just feed him the 
chicken and
turkey you are plus a bit of a general supplement, like say Feline Missing 
Link, or
Vita-tabs, or anything just as a general vitamin/mineral source (not optimal, 
but
better than just the meat alone). If he's refusing to eat the kibble, and all 
he is
eating is chicken and turkey though, it's not going to be a viable long-term 
option.
lemme see... there are commercially prepared raw diets... maybe that he would 
eat.
http://www.wildkittycatfood.com/
http://www.homemade4life.com/main.html
http://www.onlynaturalpet.com/products/Northwest-Naturals-Raw-Cat-Food/167014.aspx
http://www.onlynaturalpet.com/products/Primal-Pet-Foods-Raw-Cat-Food/165006.aspx
http://www.onlynaturalpet.com/products/Natures-Variety-Raw-Food-Diets/131069.aspx
http://www.felinefuture.com/products/ (a premade supplement balanced to just add
water, organs and meat and feed)

There are many others. Money is MY personal limiting factor as to why I don't do
this. It's time and money. If I feed raw and make my own, it's a time issue; if 
I
were to buy premade raw like those above, it's a money issue. It might not be 
bad for
one cat, like you would need, but I have 7 cats here, one of which has no 
teeth, so
anything I would feed to him I have to dice into 1/4 inch cubes.

Anyways... at the least, the Feline Future link, the bottom one, would be a 
good way
to make your currently fed chicken and turkey more complete (though you really 
should
add some organs too). I just don't want you to end up with a sick cat, he can't
continue to eat just chicken and turkey long term, it's not healthy or balanced.

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Re: kittens have diarrhea

2007-01-01 Thread Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn
probiotics are good, no matter what you feed, I would continue to add the 
probiotics!
I'm currently using the Purina fortiflora packs myself, as my vet sent my cat 
home
from the hospital with an opened box, and I think it's a good product, he seems
improved already. Normally I wouldn't buy anything made by Purina, but this 
product
seems to be a good one. The fact is, most likely Purina buys this in bulk from
someone else that makes it and just re-packages it in those little single packs 
in a
box and marks it up like 200% and calls it their own, anyways. :-)

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Re: kittens have diarrhea

2007-01-01 Thread Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn
How does the poo smell (fouler than usual diarrhea)? Is it greenish at all? Is 
it a
pattie-like consistency, similar to cow patties? Trich is usually greenish cow 
pattie
like poo with a TERRIBLE smell, very odorific.

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OT Happy New Year! URI Human to Cats?

2007-01-01 Thread Watsdadillyo
Hi everyone! I have been  very busy and am trying to catch up with the 
postings and everything happing. I  hope everyone is doing fine and that we all 
have 
the VERY best new yr!:) I have  a question...might have been asked /answered 
already. My entire household has  just gotten over nasty URI. My son actually 
having to go to the hospital. Of  course in the mist of a hectic week:( and 
holidays. We are all fine now:) 100%  but Crackers is sneezing and once in 
awhile coughing. But is fine other then  that. Eating like a horse. 
bathrooming 
fine and is still very playful and  purring like a motor boat. I will take him 
to vet just to check. LOL I hope new  vet doesn't think Im crazy! Then again 
my son goes to Dr.s the second he blinks  wrong. I guess ...whats the saying 
better to awe  on the side of caution.  Ok after that long paragragh LOL Here 
is 
the question??? Can cats catch the URI  from us humans. We all have been sick 
and I did goe inside one animal shelter  with my son to drop off christmas 
gifts to the orphans but with time being  short these few past weeks we didn't 
go in and play with any of them. Hope  everything is fine. HAPPY NEW YR!
kayte and  Crackers


RE: please add my Lizzie to CLS and prayer list

2007-01-01 Thread Hideyo Yamamoto
Thanks, Michelle - I miss her more every day - she truly believed that I
was her mommy as I was the first thing whom she saw when she first
opened her eyes - I would take her to work with me every day so that I
could bottle feed her for the first three weeks of her life - god I miss
her so much - she is one of the most affectionate creature I ever met -
I cannot stop my tears falling down when I think of her, Michelle -- 

 

  _  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 3:50 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: please add my Lizzie to CLS and prayer list

 

Hideyo, I just read this and am so, so sorry.  I can not believe all
your losses. Please call if you ever need to talk.

Michelle



Re: kittens have diarrhea

2007-01-01 Thread lynette

 How does the poo smell (fouler than usual diarrhea)? Is it greenish at all? I
 s it a
 pattie-like consistency, similar to cow patties? Trich is usually greenish co
 w pattie
 like poo with a TERRIBLE smell, very odorific.

It's quite odorific. However, it is brown, not green. Just darker than
tan? Basically, they rot. It's 50/50 when they hop in your lap if
the smell is tolerable. My adults are grooming them, but not a lot yet.

Lynette



Re: kittens with diarrhea

2007-01-01 Thread lynette

 Oh yeah, I completely understand! I don't do raw or homemade myself for JUST 
 that
 reason, too much effort (and money)! It might be ok to just feed him the chic
 ken and
 turkey you are plus a bit of a general supplement, like say Feline Missing Li
 nk, or
 Vita-tabs, or anything just as a general vitamin/mineral source (not optimal,
  but
 better than just the meat alone). If he's refusing to eat the kibble, and all
  he is
 eating is chicken and turkey though, it's not going to be a viable long-term 
 option.


Ahh, I see. Yes, this is exactly why I was planning to continue to
offer him Science diet several times a day. I know just plain old
chicken/turkey is not nutritionally complete. This was more about
getting him some healthy calories to replace some of the cancer corn.
I'll take a look at the links and if there's a supplement maybe I can
shift the balance some.

The other confession I should make, while I'm confessing my cat
feeding sins is, we give Otis, Bandit, Smokey 1/2 can fancy feast
each, each evening. Gussie has to get wet DM so we can shoot her
safely with insulin, and the babies have been having the limited
ingredient with the probiotic mixed in. Maybe if you all yell at me
enough, I'll figure out how to replace the FF with something better --
but they are totally addicted to whatever kittykrack the nasty FF
makers put in there.

What a super cool group. I am amazed at the level of answers, how much
everyone knows, etc... and how tolerant everyone seems to be. I'm
delighted to have found this group.

Lynette



Re: please add my Lizzie to CLS and prayer list

2007-01-01 Thread G. Lane
Hideyo, I'm so sorry - many prayers and good 
wishes for her peace.  Sleep soft...


Gloria


At 05:20 PM 12/18/2006, you wrote:
My little gentle soul, Lizzie passed away this 
morning – she is the sweetest and kindest and 
most affectionate soul I have ever counted – I 
have bottle fed her from the day one and it’s 
been such a pleasure to have met her – I miss 
her just so terribly and I feel so empty all over….. please pray for her peace.





Re: question about lucy and ibd symptom

2007-01-01 Thread Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn
I don't know, but she sounds like she is having either cramps or gas. I
really don't know what to do about cramps in an IBD cat... but MAYBE a heat
pack under he belly could make her more comfortable. But as to why now, and
not before, I have no idea. Maybe before she was just hiding her pain
better, and when she saw that YOU were sick, and didn't hide your suffering,
it made her feel like she didn't have to hide hers? I dunno, I'm attributing
human psychology to a cat there, so it's a long shot. Or maybe someone else
in the family was sneaking her something she usually doesn't get because you
are paying attention, and you were in bed not watching? (I don't know if you
have kids apt to do something like that or not)

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Re: question about lucy and ibd symptom

2007-01-01 Thread Lernermichelle
I did put a hot water bottle under a cushion, and she is laying on it.  She 
definitely has not had this symptoms before-- I can tell it is not something 
she has had and hidden. She looks terrible.  I don't have to wonder about 
someone sneaking her anything-- I myself gave her dry evo for a few days, which 
she 
seemed to tolerate until 2 days ago. I stopped giving it to her yesterday, 
though, because she got sick like this the night before last.

thanks,
michelle

In a message dated 1/1/2007 8:17:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:
I don't know, but she sounds like she is having either cramps or gas. I 
really don't know what to do about cramps in an IBD cat... but MAYBE a heat 
pack 
under he belly could make her more comfortable. But as to why now, and not 
before, I have no idea. Maybe before she was just hiding her pain better, and 
when 
she saw that YOU were sick, and didn't hide your suffering, it made her feel 
like she didn't have to hide hers? I dunno, I'm attributing human psychology to 
a cat there, so it's a long shot. Or maybe someone else in the family was 
sneaking her something she usually doesn't get because you are paying 
attention, 
and you were in bed not watching? (I don't know if you have kids apt to do 
something like that or not)

Phaewryn


Re: kittens have diarrhea

2007-01-01 Thread Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn
so it's light in color? It could still be trich though, even if it's not the 
right
color, I would do the testing and see what comes up. Maybe take in a mixed poo
sample from the box, a dab from each kitten. How long ago were they weaned? I 
missed
their age I think? Is it patty-like, it holds it's form kind of in a puddle in 
the
box, not real liquidy? Does it stick to the bottom of the box, like clay? I 
would add
more fiber to their diet, which is the opposite of feeding the low-residue 
food. It
may get worse before it gets better that way though. The concept behind the low
residue food is that there's less to poo so it makes for less diarrhea. Where 
the
idea of adding more fiber works by absorbing some of the liquid, and makes poo 
more
solid (but it makes more poo). Evo is low residue too though, so you'd have to 
add a
secondary fiber source. Pumpkin, or a fiber supplement for humans (just make 
sure
there's no chemicals and it's JUST fiber, I'm not sure of cat safe OTC fiber
drugs), or Feline Missing Link, that's high fiber too.

Phaewryn

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Re: kittens with diarrhea

2007-01-01 Thread Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn
Mine get occasional fancy feast too, it's not too bad if it's limited to a 
snack, and
not the primary food source. I use it to hide medicine in all the time, it's a 
great
kitty junk food. Just remember that's what it is, and use it accordingly. You
wouldn't eat a big mac and a large fry for all your daily meals, if you did, it 
would
be bad. Treat FF like fast food for cats, good for occasional happiness, but 
not good
for much else. I usually split 2 cans between 6 cats, so it's a heaping 
tablespoon
each. Like a good dessert, LOL! Just don't give it to the poopy kittens, it's 
got too
much stomach and intestinal irritating junk in it for them just now. My cats 
HATE the
canned EVO, they would rather starve than eat it. The Califorina Natural canned 
seems
to go over better, and the Wellness canned seems to be even better, for my cats
anyways.

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Re: question about lucy and ibd symptom

2007-01-01 Thread Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn
Maybe you vet could give her something for the pain, at least. The IBD is so
hard, because anything you can normally give to a cat to help them makes the
IBD flare up. I feel bad for her and you! I'm glad I don't have any IBD
here, it would drive me insane, I think. What about Slippery Elm? Hasn't
that been suggested in the past for soothing IBD pain? Are you on the
yahoogroup for IBD support? Maybe they might have an idea?

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Re: lucy and ibd - colitis/depo medrol

2007-01-01 Thread Susan Hoffman
One of my own cats, Marie, developed colitis as a result of tritrichomonas 
foetus.  Took months to get her through it.  Her lower intestines were so 
inflamed that she was in pain and did not want to eat.  What really worked for 
her was a depo medrol injection.  That got the inflammation down while the 
metronidazole (after the ronidazole) had time to work.  Over a 6 month period 
she needed 2 depo injections.  I've had two other cats with bad parasite 
infections who needed a depo injection while treatment kicked in.
   
  Side note -- my vet did not want to call it IBD because he felt the term 
was overused.  He called it colitis and the tritrich was confirmed by a fecal 
test.

Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Maybe you vet could give her something for the pain, at least. The 
IBD is so hard, because anything you can normally give to a cat to help them 
makes the IBD flare up. I feel bad for her and you! I'm glad I don't have any 
IBD here, it would drive me insane, I think. What about Slippery Elm? Hasn't 
that been suggested in the past for soothing IBD pain? Are you on the 
yahoogroup for IBD support? Maybe they might have an idea?
  
Phaewryn
   
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Re: lucy and ibd - colitis/depo medrol

2007-01-01 Thread Lernermichelle
Were Maris's symptoms constant, or only at a particular time of day? Lucy has 
had colitis symptoms before, treated with pred and flagyl, just has never had 
these episodes of a few hours a day of visible dicomfort. other times of day 
she eats, etc., but this is the second time in 3 nights she has been sick at 
night.
thanks,
michelle

In a message dated 1/1/2007 9:07:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
One of my own cats, Marie, developed colitis as a result of tritrichomonas 
foetus.  Took months to get her through it.  Her lower intestines were so 
inflamed that she was in pain and did not want to eat.  What really worked for 
her 
was a depo medrol injection.  That got the inflammation down while the 
metronidazole (after the ronidazole) had time to work.  Over a 6 month period 
she 
needed 2 depo injections.  I've had two other cats with bad parasite infections 
who needed a depo injection while treatment kicked in.

Side note -- my vet did not want to call it IBD because he felt the term 
was overused.  He called it colitis and the tritrich was confirmed by a fecal 
test.


RE: please add my Lizzie to CLS and prayer list

2007-01-01 Thread Sally
Hideyo, 

I am very sorry for you loss. You are in my prayers.

Sally

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of G. Lane
Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 8:10 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: please add my Lizzie to CLS and prayer list

Hideyo, I'm so sorry - many prayers and good 
wishes for her peace.  Sleep soft...

Gloria


At 05:20 PM 12/18/2006, you wrote:
My little gentle soul, Lizzie passed away this 
morning - she is the sweetest and kindest and 
most affectionate soul I have ever counted - I 
have bottle fed her from the day one and it's 
been such a pleasure to have met her - I miss 
her just so terribly and I feel so empty all over... please pray for her
peace.






Re: lucy and ibd - colitis/depo medrol

2007-01-01 Thread Susan Hoffman
Marie was pretty consistently miserable.  It was obvious that her tummy hurt a 
lot.  And she was leaking watery/bloody feces. (Didn't even look like feces.  
Very scary.)  Any chance that the pred is affecting the timing of Lucy's 
discomfort?

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Were Maris's symptoms constant, or only at a 
particular time of day? Lucy has had colitis symptoms before, treated with pred 
and flagyl, just has never had these episodes of a few hours a day of visible 
dicomfort. other times of day she eats, etc., but this is the second time in 3 
nights she has been sick at night.
  thanks,
  michelle
   
  In a message dated 1/1/2007 9:07:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL 
PROTECTED] writes:
One of my own cats, Marie, developed colitis as a result of tritrichomonas 
foetus.  Took months to get her through it.  Her lower intestines were so 
inflamed that she was in pain and did not want to eat.  What really worked for 
her was a depo medrol injection.  That got the inflammation down while the 
metronidazole (after the ronidazole) had time to work.  Over a 6 month period 
she needed 2 depo injections.  I've had two other cats with bad parasite 
infections who needed a depo injection while treatment kicked in.
   
  Side note -- my vet did not want to call it IBD because he felt the term 
was overused.  He called it colitis and the tritrich was confirmed by a fecal 
test.

  



Re: lucy and ibd - colitis/depo medrol

2007-01-01 Thread Lernermichelle
She was down to every other day at 1.25 mg, in the morning. I started giving 
it to her twice a day, same dose, starting last night. 

My guess is that it has to do with her digestion cycle. She has only been 
moving her bowels at night, and maybe the food hits her colon around this time 
and she gets spasms or something. I can't figure out any other explanation.  
her 
ibd symptoms were under control.  

Michelle

In a message dated 1/1/2007 9:44:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Marie was pretty consistently miserable.  It was obvious that her tummy hurt 
a lot.  And she was leaking watery/bloody feces. (Didn't even look like feces. 
 Very scary.)  Any chance that the pred is affecting the timing of Lucy's 
discomfort?


Re: lucy and ibd - colitis/depo medrol

2007-01-01 Thread Lernermichelle
She still looks out of it, but I offered her the water bowl and she seemed 
interested but then saw it was just water and looked at me. So I offered her 
her 
raw food, and she started eating. While laying down. I can't figure out what 
she is feeling.
Michelle


Re: lucy and ibd - colitis/depo medrol

2007-01-01 Thread Nina

Hi Sweetie,
I'm sorry to hear Lucy is so uncomfortable.  Gypsy has been acting a 
little off the last few days too.  I'm so lucky that she doesn't seem to 
tire of her turkey mush.  I know that if I were to take to my bed she'd 
be in big trouble.  She still needs me to pet her when she eats.  If 
Gypsy eats /anything/ other than her mush, she becomes symptomatic 
again.  Did I read that you gave her reglan and it helped?  That's one 
of the things I reach for when she's doing that hunched back, my tummy 
doesn't feel good, kind of thing.  Usually one dose is enough to help 
her, this last bout of not feeling great has been dragging on for her 
though.  I can tell she still doesn't feel her normal 85%.  Your 
supposition about her bowel cycle sounds right to me too, maybe it also 
has to do with excess gas from the diet change.  Have you tried to 
reintroduce the mush, (or whatever she's been doing well on that she 
decided not to eat when she started having her tummy aches), earlier in 
the day when she's feeling better?

Nina

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
She was down to every other day at 1.25 mg, in the morning. I started 
giving it to her twice a day, same dose, starting last night.
 
My guess is that it has to do with her digestion cycle. She has only 
been moving her bowels at night, and maybe the food hits her colon 
around this time and she gets spasms or something. I can't figure out 
any other explanation.  her ibd symptoms were under control. 
 
Michelle
 
In a message dated 1/1/2007 9:44:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


Marie was pretty consistently miserable.  It was obvious that her
tummy hurt a lot.  And she was leaking watery/bloody feces.
(Didn't even look like feces.  Very scary.)  Any chance that the
pred is affecting the timing of Lucy's discomfort?



Re: lucy and ibd - colitis/depo medrol

2007-01-01 Thread Nina
Aww, I really feel for you guys.  I am so familiar with what you are 
going through.  If she's eating the raw, I'd stick to that.  Consistency 
really does seem to be the key around here.  I think she just feels 
crummy.  It's a good sign that she still wants to eat, even if you have 
to bring the food to her.  Feel better soon little Lucy,

Nina

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
She still looks out of it, but I offered her the water bowl and she 
seemed interested but then saw it was just water and looked at me. So 
I offered her her raw food, and she started eating. While laying down. 
I can't figure out what she is feeling.

Michelle





RE: please add my Lizzie to CLS and prayer list

2007-01-01 Thread Hideyo Yamamoto
Dear Sally, thank you so very much -- I know that 2006 has been a very
sad year for you as well -- and Tiny and Lizzie are probably watching us
from kitty heaven smiling...

I am so very sorry of your loses as well..

Hideyo

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sally
Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 7:29 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: please add my Lizzie to CLS and prayer list

Hideyo, 

I am very sorry for you loss. You are in my prayers.

Sally

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of G. Lane
Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 8:10 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: please add my Lizzie to CLS and prayer list

Hideyo, I'm so sorry - many prayers and good 
wishes for her peace.  Sleep soft...

Gloria


At 05:20 PM 12/18/2006, you wrote:
My little gentle soul, Lizzie passed away this 
morning - she is the sweetest and kindest and 
most affectionate soul I have ever counted - I 
have bottle fed her from the day one and it's 
been such a pleasure to have met her - I miss 
her just so terribly and I feel so empty all over... please pray for
her
peace.










Re: OT Happy New Year! URI Human to Cats?

2007-01-01 Thread Kelley Saveika

Hi Kayte,

I'm sorry your son was in the hospital.  That is no good, especially around
Christmas.

Human URI and cat URI aren't interchangeable.  Even though I know it seems
that way sometimes - my cats and I are all sick right now!


On 1/1/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Hi everyone! I have been very busy and am trying to catch up with the
postings and everything happing. I hope everyone is doing fine and that we
all have the VERY best new yr!:) I have a question...might have been asked
/answered already. My entire household has just gotten over nasty URI. My
son actually having to go to the hospital. Of course in the mist of a hectic
week:( and holidays. We are all fine now:) 100% but Crackers is sneezing and
once in awhile coughing. But is fine other then that. Eating like a horse.
bathrooming fine and is still very playful and purring like a motor boat.
I will take him to vet just to check. LOL I hope new vet doesn't think Im
crazy! Then again my son goes to Dr.s the second he blinks wrong. I guess
...whats the saying better to awe  on the side of caution. Ok after that
long paragragh LOL Here is the question??? Can cats catch the URI from us
humans. We all have been sick and I did goe inside one animal shelter with
my son to drop off christmas gifts to the orphans but with time being
short these few past weeks we didn't go in and play with any of them. Hope
everything is fine. HAPPY NEW YR!
kayte and Crackers





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Re: lucy and ibd - colitis/depo medrol

2007-01-01 Thread Lernermichelle
The reglan actually seemed to make her feel worse-- very restless in addition 
to discomfort. That can be a side effect of it.

She will not eat the mush anymore, no matter what. She does want her raw food 
again, with the feline futures, and so she is eating that. She ate quite a 
bit of it today.  But then got uncomfortable at about 6 pm. She still looks out 
of it to me, but is laying in a normal position and ate some. But she does not 
want to be pet, which is unusual for her, and she only is like that when she 
is uncomfortable.

patches won't eat the turkey mush either at this point. They both decided to 
stop eating it. It is not the batch, because I made another batch. Patches and 
Ginger, when they ate canned food, used to simultaneously stop eating 
whatever flavor they had been insisting on for weeks, and I would think it was 
something wrong with the can and open another, but no, they just both decided 
to 
boycott that flavor and wanted to switch. Patches and Lucy both seem to be 
doing 
that with the turkey mush now, which is ok for patches because she can eat 
other things, but not ok for Lucy.

Michelle

In a message dated 1/1/2007 10:03:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hi Sweetie,
I'm sorry to hear Lucy is so uncomfortable.  Gypsy has been acting a little 
off the last few days too.  I'm so lucky that she doesn't seem to tire of her 
turkey mush.  I know that if I were to take to my bed she'd be in big trouble.  
She still needs me to pet her when she eats.  If Gypsy eats anything other 
than her mush, she becomes symptomatic again.  Did I read that you gave her 
reglan and it helped?  That's one of the things I reach for when she's doing 
that 
hunched back, my tummy doesn't feel good, kind of thing.  Usually one dose is 
enough to help her, this last bout of not feeling great has been dragging on 
for her though.  I can tell she still doesn't feel her normal 85%.  Your 
supposition about her bowel cycle sounds right to me too, maybe it also has to 
do 
with excess gas from the diet change.  Have you tried to reintroduce the mush, 
(or whatever she's been doing well on that she decided not to eat when she 
started having her tummy aches), earlier in the day when she's feeling better?
Nina


Re: lucy and ibd - colitis/depo medrol

2007-01-01 Thread Lernermichelle
Nina,
   Has Gypsy ever had this thing of only feeling sick at a certain time of 
day?

Michelle

In a message dated 1/1/2007 11:05:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hi Sweetie,
I'm sorry to hear Lucy is so uncomfortable.  Gypsy has been acting a little 
off the last few days too.  I'm so lucky that she doesn't seem to tire of her 
turkey mush.  I know that if I were to take to my bed she'd be in big trouble.  
She still needs me to pet her when she eats.  If Gypsy eats anything other 
than her mush, she becomes symptomatic again.  Did I read that you gave her 
reglan and it helped?  That's one of the things I reach for when she's doing 
that 
hunched back, my tummy doesn't feel good, kind of thing.  Usually one dose is 
enough to help her, this last bout of not feeling great has been dragging on 
for her though.  I can tell she still doesn't feel her normal 85%.  Your 
supposition about her bowel cycle sounds right to me too, maybe it also has to 
do 
with excess gas from the diet change.  Have you tried to reintroduce the mush, 
(or whatever she's been doing well on that she decided not to eat when she 
started having her tummy aches), earlier in the day when she's feeling better?
Nina


Re: lucy and ibd - colitis/depo medrol

2007-01-01 Thread Nina
Not that I've noticed, but come to think of it, when she's having an 
episode she does usually feel worse at night than in the daytime.  I 
attributed it to her being allowed to play in the yard during the day 
and figured she must have eaten something out there.  A blade of grass 
might set her off, certainly somebody's left over sparrow would give her 
trouble.

N

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Nina,
   Has Gypsy ever had this thing of only feeling sick at a certain 
time of day?
 
Michelle





Re: OT Happy New Year! URI Human to Cats?

2007-01-01 Thread Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn
An interesting topic that always peaks my interest. I believe there are a
few zoonotic diseases that can have upper respiratory effets in both cats
and humans, and are transmissible visa-versa, namely Chlamydia and
Tuberculosis (both very rare) come to mind, but there's another too, that I
can't find off-hand. NOT, the common cold or typical feline URI though!

http://www.messybeast.com/zoonoses.htm
says:

Persistent streptococcal infections in cats can cause tonsilitis and
pharyngitis in the owners.

Feline conjunctivitis can be caused by a variety of conditions including
bacterial or viral infections; conjunctivitis caused by a foreign body may
lead to a secondary bacterial infection. Since some of these germs can also
infect humans, it is wise to observe basic hygiene precautions when handling
cats with conjunctivitis. Most cases are easily treated in both cats and
humans by eye drops and eye ointments - often containing the same active
ingredients!

Mycobacterium tuberculosis and related tuberculosis-causing mycobacteria can
infect cats and be transmitted to humans. It is particularly dangerous to
humans with poor immune systems e.g. with HIV. Since there is no fully
effective treatment in cats, euthanasia is recommended to reduce the risk to
humans. It is, however, a rare disease in cats.

Most viruses are extremely species specific. Feline Immunodeficiency Virus,
Feline Infectious Peritonitis, and Feline Leukaemia Virus can not cause
illness in people. A cat can not catch a human common cold, although there
is indication that canine coronavirus infection may potentiate FIP in cats
and human influenza can infect cats. As well as rabies, there are a few
feline viral infections which can cause illness in humans.

Chlamydia causes conjunctivitis in cats and, less commonly, respiratory
symptoms. In humans it can cause pneumonia; however human infection
(psittacosis) is generally from parrots and cage birds. There are only
isolated cases of chlamydia being spread from cat to human. Chlamydia psitta
ci was renamed chlamydophilia felis in 2002, reflecting its role in causing
conjunctivitis in cats and its prevalence. However, the old name is still
widely used and probably more familiar to doctors and veterinarians.

And noteworthy:

Asian Bird Flu  Feline H5N1(goes from cat to human MAYBE, but not
visa-versa)

In February 2004, scientists in Thailand confirmed the first cases of Asian
Bird Flu in cats. The H5N1 virus is most common in intensively farmed
chickens, but also affects pigeons, ducks and other wildfowl. It had killed
22 people across several Asian countries. Thai veterinarian Teeraphon
Sirinauemit confirmed that H5N1 bird flu had been found in domestic cats and
a white tiger (by 2006, 147 tigers in a Thai Zoo had died after eating
infected chicken). The discovery was significant because every time the
virus jumps species, the risk of mutation into a human form increases.
Autopsies and virus tests found H5N1 in 3 cats at Kasetsart University's
animal hospital. They were among 15 cats owned by a man living near an
infected chicken farm in Nakorn Pathom, 37 miles (60 Km) west of Bangkok. At
least one cat had eaten an infected chicken carcass and 14 of the 15 cats
died. A white tiger at Khao Khiew private zoo in Chonburi province tested
positive for H5N1, but recovered. H5N1 killed a rare Thai clouded leopard at
the same zoo in January 2004. The cause was raw chicken fed to the big cats.

The occurrence of H5N1 in domestic cats is due to eating raw chicken,
proximity to infected farms, through contact with infected bird carcasses or
through close contact with cats already infected. All the affected domestic
cats had a high degree of exposure to the virus. Almost all cases of H5N1 in
humans are traceable to infected chickens or infected wildfowl. Although
cats are susceptible to the virus, they have not been found to pose a danger
to humans. Thai pet owners took immediate precautions, switching meals from
cooked chicken to beef. Owners were advised not to let their cats eat dead
chicken carcasses, dead birds, or any dead animals found in infected areas.
Cat lovers who feed the strays and semi-feral cats around temples were asked
not to feed raw chicken. This aims to prevent H5N1 from jumping to other
cats and reduces the risk of mutation.

By April 2006, there are still no known cases of bird flu transmitted from
cats to humans. However, it is recommended that cats be kept indoors (and
dogs be kept on the leash) in areas where H5N1 is confirmed. There is no
data on how easily cats become infected or whether they can excrete the
virus in a form infectious to humans or back to birds once infected.
Infected cats get lung or gut infections. In areas where H5N1 is not endemic
there is little cause for owners to be concerned. Cat welfare groups fear a
witch-hunt against feral cats and an increase in abandoned or unwanted cats.
Preventing cats from coming into contact with infected birds keeps cats -
and 

Re: lucy and ibd - colitis/depo medrol

2007-01-01 Thread Belinda
  I can also tell you when I lowered Bailey's pred his tummy aches due 
to undiagnosed pancreatitis seemed to be worse.  And I know of one cat 
that has been on pred for 10 yrs because of IBD, she has to be on about 
2.5 and hasn't had a flared up for years until recently.  After a week 
or so and $600.00 for all kinds of tests that never did tell them what 
was wrong, Mel her Mom finally just figured it was a panceatitis flare 
up and upped her pred, she was better, they gradually lowered her pred 
back to 2.5.  She is fine today.


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Belinda
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