Re: Well, it looks like i'm going to lose Tomi :(
Cassandra so sorry about sweet Tomi.Hugs to you. Sherry C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I got an extra week of the doxy, so basically I just quit giving it to him a couple of days ago. He was on it for nearly 5 weeks, which should be good enough (I believe the vet said the hemobart was gone as well, though I wasn't really listening to that part after she told me the PCV was 11). Thank you for the kind thoughts everyone, they are really helpful to me right now. I've just never experienced anything quite so agonizing as having a loved one slowly slipping away from me day by day. Cassandra - Original Message - From: wendy To: Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 11:37 PM Subject: Re: Well, it looks like i'm going to lose Tomi :( Truthfully, I was wondering the same thing that Belinda is saying...when you took Tomi off the doxy, is that when his PCV fell again? :) Wendy --- Belinda wrote: Put him back on the doxy you have nothing to lose and everything to gain. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world: Indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.4.0/759 - Release Date: 4/12/2007 7:58 PM - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
Re: Well, it looks like i'm going to lose Tomi :(
I've done this as have a lot of people on the list. Try very hard to enjoy the days you have with Tomi and not to let the thought of losing him overshadow the deep love you share. He has things left to teach you and to share with you. If your grief overshadows your time together you will loose this and so will he. The Royal Princess Kitty Katt and Mai Mai taught me this in long, drawn out illnesses that totally broke my heart. I look back and realize grieving took away a lot of pleasure. None of us know when we are going to leave this world. Talk to Tomi and find out what his wishes areit will make you feel lots better. Blessings to you both. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Sherry DeHaan To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 5:57 AM Subject: Re: Well, it looks like i'm going to lose Tomi :( Cassandra so sorry about sweet Tomi.Hugs to you. Sherry C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I got an extra week of the doxy, so basically I just quit giving it to him a couple of days ago. He was on it for nearly 5 weeks, which should be good enough (I believe the vet said the hemobart was gone as well, though I wasn't really listening to that part after she told me the PCV was 11). Thank you for the kind thoughts everyone, they are really helpful to me right now. I've just never experienced anything quite so agonizing as having a loved one slowly slipping away from me day by day. Cassandra - Original Message - From: wendy To: Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 11:37 PM Subject: Re: Well, it looks like i'm going to lose Tomi :( Truthfully, I was wondering the same thing that Belinda is saying...when you took Tomi off the doxy, is that when his PCV fell again? :) Wendy --- Belinda wrote: Put him back on the doxy you have nothing to lose and everything to gain. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world: Indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.4.0/759 - Release Date: 4/12/2007 7:58 PM -- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos.
RE: Felvtalk - introduction - Chewie and Stitch/Cassidy
I don't know where you live, but Cassidy is the most beautiful, friendly, loving cat! He's probably less than one year old, or around there. Here's his picture: He's gorgeous. I'm up in Vermont but am not really in a position to take in other cats at the moment, mostly because of Stitch's particular personality issues. :) If I think of or find anyone who is, though, or if my situation changes, I'll keep you in mind. Best of luck with your new quest on educating yourself on FeLV. There's so much to learn as I've found out this past week! But, the people here are so helpful and understanding-I'm so glad you've found this resource as well! Thanks! Joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Ages please
1. Chewie - unsure of age - probably 7-9. She was diagnosed right around the time she died - about a month ago now. 2. Stitch - 2.5 - tested positive for FelV after we had her tested shortly after Chewie died. Joe __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: OT - ARGH to Pet Health Pharmacy
Well, the first time I got Missy's meds filled there they came quickly, with no problems. Then I got Shimmer's meds. Then they sent pills for Toodles when they were supposed to send compounded meds, and wouldn't take them back because I had opened the BAG (not the pill bottle, but the priority mail bag - how was I supposed to tell it was wrong if I didn't open it?). Then they made up 100 syringes of compounded Elavil for Toodles AND Shimmer. Which is more medicine than I could use before it went bad. Then they sent a FedEx bag for $18, only put one out of 4 meds in it, and sent the rest Priority Mail. Then one of the items in the Priority mail order was supposed to be refrigerated, but wasn't. I've come to the conclusion I can either have cheap(er) meds or get good service. Not both. On 4/12/07, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Kelley, I am sorry you are having troubles with this pharmacy. I've been ordering Julie's meds for over a year from them, and I have always gotten fantastic customer service, they ship very quickly, and they are less expensive than anywhere else I've looked. Have you checked with them to see if they didn't make some mistake? Did the interest rate on the meds go up this week, like they did on my damn credit card??!!! lol. :) Wendy --- Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am so frustrated with these people. So, so frustrated. I always have problems with my prescriptions there and they just called and said Shimmers' and Toodles' meds would be $125 *each* this time. They were $10 each LAST MONTH. I am thinking they have to have the wrong prescription. I'll learn how to compound Elavil myself before I pay $125 for a month's supply! I'm sure I will get this straight eventually, but in the meantime Toodles, Shimmer, Sapphire and Joey are without their meds because they need a credit card payment in advance for anything over $100and I'm not paying $250 for Elavil. For something lifesaving sure, but not something to keep Shimmer and Toodles from spraying everywhere. Kelley -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world: Indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_tools.html -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia
RE: Felvtalk - introduction - Chewie and Stitch/Cassidy
Thanks Joe! Vermont is quite a distance from Nebraska! But, of course keep us in mind if you know of any compassionate people would like and FeLV baby. A vacation with a purpose would be nice. However, I'm sure there are plenty of cats in need out East! And, luckily, Cassidy has been accepted to Best Friends in Utah (a little closer), if I don't find him a home before then. Best, Melissa -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Reil Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 7:49 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Felvtalk - introduction - Chewie and Stitch/Cassidy I don't know where you live, but Cassidy is the most beautiful, friendly, loving cat! He's probably less than one year old, or around there. Here's his picture: He's gorgeous. I'm up in Vermont but am not really in a position to take in other cats at the moment, mostly because of Stitch's particular personality issues. :) If I think of or find anyone who is, though, or if my situation changes, I'll keep you in mind. Best of luck with your new quest on educating yourself on FeLV. There's so much to learn as I've found out this past week! But, the people here are so helpful and understanding-I'm so glad you've found this resource as well! Thanks! Joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
A couple of pictures I took of Tomi today
I took these pictures today of my little Tomi boy: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/Fyrwulf/DSCF0053.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/Fyrwulf/DSCF0037.jpg And here is an older pic of Tomi and Kisa (my other Felv baby) together: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/Fyrwulf/TomiKisa.jpg Cassandra
RE: A couple of pictures I took of Tomi today
Cassandra, My heart hurts for you! Tomi is so beautiful. His eyes just speak volumes. Thanks for sharing your pictures. Melissa _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of C J Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 11:25 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: A couple of pictures I took of Tomi today I took these pictures today of my little Tomi boy: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/Fyrwulf/DSCF0053.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/Fyrwulf/DSCF0037.jpg And here is an older pic of Tomi and Kisa (my other Felv baby) together: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/Fyrwulf/TomiKisa.jpg Cassandra
Re: A couple of pictures I took of Tomi today
Cassandra he is a VERY handsome boy.I love the pic of him and Kisa!! Sherry C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I took these pictures today of my little Tomi boy: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/Fyrwulf/DSCF0053.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/Fyrwulf/DSCF0037.jpg And here is an older pic of Tomi and Kisa (my other Felv baby) together: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/Fyrwulf/TomiKisa.jpg Cassandra - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
Re: A couple of pictures I took of Tomi today
Hi Cassandra, Tomi looks like my Tiny who passed this past Christmas day. Tiny liked to cuddle with Ittle Bitty just like your Tomi and Kisa. They are both beautiful. Sally On 4/14/07, C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I took these pictures today of my little Tomi boy: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/Fyrwulf/DSCF0053.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/Fyrwulf/DSCF0037.jpg And here is an older pic of Tomi and Kisa (my other Felv baby) together: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/Fyrwulf/TomiKisa.jpg Cassandra
Re: A couple of pictures I took of Tomi today
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OT: Pregnant Feral Kitty....Questions
Hi all, It looks as we have a Feral pregnant Mom that has found her way to us. I'm going to trap her and put her on my back porch so she can tame down. Also have her babies safely. She is just a tiger strip kitty and very small. I have named her Little Girl My question is Can she be wormed? Do you recommend she be vaccinated before or after the birth of the kittens? I use Heska...it is intra nasal vaccination on my cats. I've never had any problems with it. I can tell she wants to be friendly with me. I can get about 2 feet from her and drop some food down. I back off and she eats it up. I have been feeding her with my other Feral kitties. I normally wouldn't ask these questions but never had a pregnant kitty either that lived outside that is feral. I can tell she is a baby herself she is under a year old at the most maybe 7-9 months old. I will get her spayed for free after the babies are born. So as you can see I'm clueless on this! Thanks for your help in this matter. Hugs to all Terrie Mohr-Forker TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Donations accepted at: _https://www.paypal.com/_ (https://www.paypal.com/) _http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/_ (http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/) _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue) _http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html_ (http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html) _http://www.felineleukemia.org/_ (http://www.felineleukemia.org/) _http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html_ (http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html) _http://www.petloss.com/_ (http://www.petloss.com/) ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
Re: OT: Pregnant Feral Kitty....Questions
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Re: OT: Pregnant Feral Kitty....Questions
I see you haven't removed the invisible sign welcoming wayward ones from your front lawn :-) . I Googled your question about worming pregnant cats and got conflicting answers. If it where me, esp given her age and circumstance, I'd have her spayed and the kittens aborted. It may sound harsh, but I've come to that conclusion from harsh realities. I completely understand and respect your decision to let her have her kittens, esp if she is in good health and you are able to take on the responsibility. I love the babies and even with my harsh opening disclaimer would be thrilled to hear the pitter patter of little kitten paws about the place. If you are going to take this on, I would bring her to the vet and have her checked. At the very least, get a stool sample and have it checked for worms. I know there are certain worms that can be dangerous for the kittens. From the behavior you describe, I'm betting Little Girl will tame up in no time. She sounds like she is reaching out to you and has had at least some good experiences with humans. What a smart girl to have found her way to you! Congratulations. Please keep us informed, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: */Hi all,/* */It looks as we have a Feral pregnant Mom that has found her way to us. I'm going to trap her and put her on my back porch so she can tame down. Also have her babies safely. She is just a tiger strip kitty and very small. I have named her Little Girl/* */My question is Can she be wormed?/* */Do you recommend she be vaccinated before or after the birth of the kittens?/* */I use Heska...it is intra nasal vaccination on my cats. I've never had any problems with it./* */I can tell she wants to be friendly with me. I can get about 2 feet from her and drop some food down. I back off and she eats it up./* */I have been feeding her with my other Feral kitties./* */I normally wouldn't ask these questions but never had a pregnant kitty either that lived outside that is feral. I can tell she is a baby herself she is under a year old at the most maybe 7-9 months old. /* */I will get her spayed for free after the babies are born./* *//* */So as you can see I'm clueless on this!/* */Thanks for your help in this matter./* */Hugs to all/* *//* */Terrie Mohr-Forker/*
Re: pungent urine
How long has it been since Cassidy was neutered???
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page: Section1 } You can mix the crystals with the clay--I do and it
works pretty good. Dixie gets the little round pearls in the pads of her paws
so we are trying the chips. Also consider using a Rubbermaid or knock off
storage box for his litter box (no lid please). I use the 18 gallon or
larger ones and cut a u-shaped hole for the cat to walk in. More room, less
concentration and high walls for any difficulties hitting the litter. I love
them. I started using them when Ebony was about 18 years old and was having
trouble getting down.
If you have men who will
exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of compassion
and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise with their
fellow man.
St. Francis
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From: Marylyn
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 7:33 AM
Subject: Re: pungent urine
Try probiotics (health food store or order Fastrack). Also have him checked
for a UTI. This is not natural.
If you have men who will
exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of compassion
and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise with their
fellow man.
St. Francis
- Original Message -
From: Melissa Lind
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 6:55 AM
Subject: pungent urine
Cassidy, my new FeLV+, has very aromatic pee! I had to use clay litter
because he didnt understand the crystals, but even so, I think when I get him
switched to crystals, it will still be unbearable. Baking soda does not cover
this smell. Hes been neutered, and hes not marking, its just out of his
litter box. Is there anything I can feed him? Any product that could help? I
couldnt even sleep last night because our house is unreasonably stinky! I love
this guy, but Im going to be embarrassed to let anyone over! Even my husband,
who works around manure every day, was sickened by the smell!
RE: OT: Pregnant Feral Kitty....Questions
Terrie, I agree with Nina. I just made this difficult decision last week and had Nonie (a rescue) spay/abort. However, this is such a personal choice; you have to do what you feel is right. I took in 3 rescues/foster cats last week, and I don't run a shelter. Since I couldn't afford it if Nonie had babies, I decided to do this. Also, I know that where I live, trying to find a home for these three fosters will be next to impossible let alone a litter. But, I know it's a delicate and controversial issue-one that I grappled with quite a bit. Good luck with Little Girl-poor baby! Best Wishes, Melissa _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 2:33 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT: Pregnant Feral KittyQuestions I see you haven't removed the invisible sign welcoming wayward ones from your front lawn :-) . I Googled your question about worming pregnant cats and got conflicting answers. If it where me, esp given her age and circumstance, I'd have her spayed and the kittens aborted. It may sound harsh, but I've come to that conclusion from harsh realities. I completely understand and respect your decision to let her have her kittens, esp if she is in good health and you are able to take on the responsibility. I love the babies and even with my harsh opening disclaimer would be thrilled to hear the pitter patter of little kitten paws about the place. If you are going to take this on, I would bring her to the vet and have her checked. At the very least, get a stool sample and have it checked for worms. I know there are certain worms that can be dangerous for the kittens. From the behavior you describe, I'm betting Little Girl will tame up in no time. She sounds like she is reaching out to you and has had at least some good experiences with humans. What a smart girl to have found her way to you! Congratulations. Please keep us informed, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, It looks as we have a Feral pregnant Mom that has found her way to us. I'm going to trap her and put her on my back porch so she can tame down. Also have her babies safely. She is just a tiger strip kitty and very small. I have named her Little Girl My question is Can she be wormed? Do you recommend she be vaccinated before or after the birth of the kittens? I use Heska...it is intra nasal vaccination on my cats. I've never had any problems with it. I can tell she wants to be friendly with me. I can get about 2 feet from her and drop some food down. I back off and she eats it up. I have been feeding her with my other Feral kitties. I normally wouldn't ask these questions but never had a pregnant kitty either that lived outside that is feral. I can tell she is a baby herself she is under a year old at the most maybe 7-9 months old. I will get her spayed for free after the babies are born. So as you can see I'm clueless on this! Thanks for your help in this matter. Hugs to all Terrie Mohr-Forker
Re: A couple of pictures I took of Tomi today
At 09:25 AM 4/14/2007, you wrote: He is so beautiful...Oh it is so very very hard, It hurts so damn much..I know this is stupid but have they tried the high dose steroids or cyclosporins,,I have used the Immuno regulin, but in this situation I think immune suppression is needed, not immune stimulation, We are all just there with you...holding our breaths and sending as much good healing energy as possible Kelly I took these pictures today of my little Tomi boy: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/Fyrwulf/DSCF0053.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/Fyrwulf/DSCF0053.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/Fyrwulf/DSCF0037.jpg And here is an older pic of Tomi and Kisa (my other Felv baby) together: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/Fyrwulf/TomiKisa.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/Fyrwulf/TomiKisa.jpg Cassandra No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.4.0/760 - Release Date: 4/13/2007 8:04 PM
Re: A couple of pictures I took of Tomi today
That is a marvelous little cat who obviously adores you...just look into his eyes If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: C J To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 11:25 AM Subject: A couple of pictures I took of Tomi today I took these pictures today of my little Tomi boy: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/Fyrwulf/DSCF0053.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/Fyrwulf/DSCF0037.jpg And here is an older pic of Tomi and Kisa (my other Felv baby) together: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/Fyrwulf/TomiKisa.jpg Cassandra
RE: OT: Pregnant Feral Kitty....Questions
At 11:44 AM 4/14/2007, you wrote: I have been there also, and for me I do have the pregnancy terminated. Especially with a baby herself and the potential for homes so bad, It is a hard decision but one I never regret, thanks for all the caring and giving this little girl a chance, Kelly Terrie, I agree with Nina. I just made this difficult decision last week and had Nonie (a rescue) spay/abort. However, this is such a personal choice; you have to do what you feel is right. I took in 3 rescues/foster cats last week, and I dont run a shelter. Since I couldnt afford it if Nonie had babies, I decided to do this. Also, I know that where I live, trying to find a home for these three fosters will be next to impossible let alone a litter. But, I know its a delicate and controversial issueone that I grappled with quite a bit. Good luck with Little Girlpoor baby! Best Wishes, Melissa -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 2:33 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT: Pregnant Feral KittyQuestions I see you haven't removed the invisible sign welcoming wayward ones from your front lawn :-) . I Googled your question about worming pregnant cats and got conflicting answers. If it where me, esp given her age and circumstance, I'd have her spayed and the kittens aborted. It may sound harsh, but I've come to that conclusion from harsh realities. I completely understand and respect your decision to let her have her kittens, esp if she is in good health and you are able to take on the responsibility. I love the babies and even with my harsh opening disclaimer would be thrilled to hear the pitter patter of little kitten paws about the place. If you are going to take this on, I would bring her to the vet and have her checked. At the very least, get a stool sample and have it checked for worms. I know there are certain worms that can be dangerous for the kittens. From the behavior you describe, I'm betting Little Girl will tame up in no time. She sounds like she is reaching out to you and has had at least some good experiences with humans. What a smart girl to have found her way to you! Congratulations. Please keep us informed, Nina mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, It looks as we have a Feral pregnant Mom that has found her way to us. I'm going to trap her and put her on my back porch so she can tame down. Also have her babies safely. She is just a tiger strip kitty and very small. I have named her Little Girl My question is Can she be wormed? Do you recommend she be vaccinated before or after the birth of the kittens? I use Heska...it is intra nasal vaccination on my cats. I've never had any problems with it. I can tell she wants to be friendly with me. I can get about 2 feet from her and drop some food down. I back off and she eats it up. I have been feeding her with my other Feral kitties. I normally wouldn't ask these questions but never had a pregnant kitty either that lived outside that is feral. I can tell she is a baby herself she is under a year old at the most maybe 7-9 months old. I will get her spayed for free after the babies are born. So as you can see I'm clueless on this! Thanks for your help in this matter. Hugs to all Terrie Mohr-Forker No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.4.0/760 - Release Date: 4/13/2007 8:04 PM
RE: pungent urine
He was neutered April 3rd. I now realize that it was just his hormones coming out. And I'm happy to report that there is no more nasty smell. His poo is now more odorous than his piddles, so it's very tolerable now. Also, I was able to switch him over to crystals quite easily by sprinkling his used clay litter over the top. Now everything dries out much faster and the smell is contained. He has a giant litter box (a plastic tote); he doesn't spray or mark; all-in-all we are very happy! I'm not sure if you read this on my other posts, but he's been accepted to Best Friends in Utah for after May 1st, but I can't take him there until after July 1st (pending his second IFA test), so it's kind of up in the air about his future there. Best, Melissa _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of catatonya Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 1:37 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: pungent urine How long has it been since Cassidy was neutered??? t Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can mix the crystals with the clay--I do and it works pretty good. Dixie gets the little round pearls in the pads of her paws so we are trying the chips. Also consider using a Rubbermaid or knock off storage box for his litter box (no lid please). I use the 18 gallon or larger ones and cut a u-shaped hole for the cat to walk in. More room, less concentration and high walls for any difficulties hitting the litter. I love them. I started using them when Ebony was about 18 years old and was having trouble getting down. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Marylyn mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 7:33 AM Subject: Re: pungent urine Try probiotics (health food store or order Fastrack). Also have him checked for a UTI. This is not natural. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Melissa mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Lind To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 6:55 AM Subject: pungent urine Cassidy, my new FeLV+, has very aromatic pee! I had to use clay litter because he didn't understand the crystals, but even so, I think when I get him switched to crystals, it will still be unbearable. Baking soda does not cover this smell. He's been neutered, and he's not marking, it's just out of his litter box. Is there anything I can feed him? Any product that could help? I couldn't even sleep last night because our house is unreasonably stinky! I love this guy, but I'm going to be embarrassed to let anyone over! Even my husband, who works around manure every day, was sickened by the smell!
Re: Pregnant Feral Kitty....Questions
I wouldn't even consider vaccinating her until after the babies are weaned. Vaccines weaken the body and, in her condition, even just a little could be too much. Check with a really good vet re worming. Without firm evidence that she had worms I wouldn't. How far along is she? If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 12:23 PM Subject: OT: Pregnant Feral KittyQuestions Hi all, It looks as we have a Feral pregnant Mom that has found her way to us. I'm going to trap her and put her on my back porch so she can tame down. Also have her babies safely. She is just a tiger strip kitty and very small. I have named her Little Girl My question is Can she be wormed? Do you recommend she be vaccinated before or after the birth of the kittens? I use Heska...it is intra nasal vaccination on my cats. I've never had any problems with it. I can tell she wants to be friendly with me. I can get about 2 feet from her and drop some food down. I back off and she eats it up. I have been feeding her with my other Feral kitties. I normally wouldn't ask these questions but never had a pregnant kitty either that lived outside that is feral. I can tell she is a baby herself she is under a year old at the most maybe 7-9 months old. I will get her spayed for free after the babies are born. So as you can see I'm clueless on this! Thanks for your help in this matter. Hugs to all Terrie Mohr-Forker TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Donations accepted at: https://www.paypal.com/ http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html http://www.felineleukemia.org/ http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html http://www.petloss.com/ -- See what's free at AOL.com.
Re: OT: Pregnant Feral Kitty....Questions
Terrie, I disagree with aborting kittens unless you absolutely have no option. When I adopt kittens too young to be altered, the spay/neuter is included in the adoption fee and must be done at my vet. Bingo, if they are late getting them fixed I know it since I havent gotten a bill from my vet. I call and if they don't get them altered I take the cat back (its only happened once) then mom and all babes are fixed and the cycle for that family stops. Karen ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
? Stomatitis ?
? In a colony of feral felines, can stomatitis be fatal ? Thank you. Sheila Nebraska
RE: ? Stomatitis ?
Hi Sheila, This is not an answer to your question-sorry! I'm off topic, but I couldn't help but notice that you're from Nebraska. I have 1 FeLV cat and 2 negatives that need homes. I'm new to this. I've contacted many rescues in NE with no luck. If you have any helpful contacts, could you let me know? You can always email me straight to my address if you want. Thanks, Melissa _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sheila Coyle Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 2:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ? Stomatitis ? ? In a colony of feral felines, can stomatitis be fatal ? Thank you. Sheila Nebraska
Cassandra and Brunello Please add to the ClS :(
Ok now that I have stopped crying for the moment,let me ask that these sweet angels be added to the list. Cassandra beautiful sleek black girl left us yesterday,she is now with her beautiful sister Carissa. Brunello had a very rough life before Jen took this wonderful rough looking but very handsome boy with the loudest motor into Sids.I fell in love with him the second that I saw him.This was a shocker,I was just there Thursday and he was fine.Yesterday morning when one of the volunteers came in,she found him gasping for breath.It was found that he had a large mass on his trachea. This volunteering is the hardest yet most rewarding thing that I have done in my life.I am soo glad that I have all of you to talk to. Sherry - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
Re: Cassandra and Brunello Please add to the ClS :(
Both Cassandra and Brunello send you total love for caring about them. Please Google for the Bridge poem for volunteers. It is totally true. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Sherry DeHaan To: Felvtalk Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 2:15 PM Subject: Cassandra and Brunello Please add to the ClS :( Ok now that I have stopped crying for the moment,let me ask that these sweet angels be added to the list. Cassandra beautiful sleek black girl left us yesterday,she is now with her beautiful sister Carissa. Brunello had a very rough life before Jen took this wonderful rough looking but very handsome boy with the loudest motor into Sids.I fell in love with him the second that I saw him.This was a shocker,I was just there Thursday and he was fine.Yesterday morning when one of the volunteers came in,she found him gasping for breath.It was found that he had a large mass on his trachea. This volunteering is the hardest yet most rewarding thing that I have done in my life.I am soo glad that I have all of you to talk to. Sherry -- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos.
RE: Cassandra and Brunello Please add to the ClS :(
Sherry, hugs and prayers. Sometimes the most difficult things are the most wonderful, as you've pointed out. I hope a little ray of sunshine finds you today. Melissa _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sherry DeHaan Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 2:15 PM To: Felvtalk Subject: Cassandra and Brunello Please add to the ClS :( Ok now that I have stopped crying for the moment,let me ask that these sweet angels be added to the list. Cassandra beautiful sleek black girl left us yesterday,she is now with her beautiful sister Carissa. Brunello had a very rough life before Jen took this wonderful rough looking but very handsome boy with the loudest motor into Sids.I fell in love with him the second that I saw him.This was a shocker,I was just there Thursday and he was fine.Yesterday morning when one of the volunteers came in,she found him gasping for breath.It was found that he had a large mass on his trachea. This volunteering is the hardest yet most rewarding thing that I have done in my life.I am soo glad that I have all of you to talk to. Sherry _ Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check out new http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=48245/*http:/autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html;_ylc= X3oDMTE1YW1jcXJ2BF9TAzk3MTA3MDc2BHNlYwNtYWlsdGFncwRzbGsDbmV3LWNhcnM- cars at Yahoo! Autos.
Re: A couple of pictures I took of Tomi today
I'm using steroids right now, 2 tablets of prednisone per day. This is back to the dosage he was at for a week after his transfusion. This is basically the last thing the vet said we could try, she didn't say anything about cyclosporins. I think he needs the immune suppression as well, though I don't know if his bone marrow isn't producing enough red cells, or the virus is killing the new cells. It just seems odd that his red count was going up for a couple of weeks after the transfusion, and now its going down. I'm wondering if maybe the virus took over his bone marrow while his immune system was suppressed from the prednisone, but I guess its pretty hard to know what is going on. Thank you all for the kind thoughts. Cassandra - Original Message - From: Kelly L To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 1:43 PM Subject: Re: A couple of pictures I took of Tomi today At 09:25 AM 4/14/2007, you wrote: He is so beautiful...Oh it is so very very hard, It hurts so damn much..I know this is stupid but have they tried the high dose steroids or cyclosporins,,I have used the Immuno regulin, but in this situation I think immune suppression is needed, not immune stimulation, We are all just there with you...holding our breaths and sending as much good healing energy as possible Kelly I took these pictures today of my little Tomi boy: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/Fyrwulf/DSCF0053.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/Fyrwulf/DSCF0037.jpg And here is an older pic of Tomi and Kisa (my other Felv baby) together: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/Fyrwulf/TomiKisa.jpg Cassandra No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.4.0/760 - Release Date: 4/13/2007 8:04 PM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.4.0/760 - Release Date: 4/13/2007 8:04 PM
Re: Cassandra and Brunello Please add to the ClS :(
I'm really sorry about Cassandra and Brunello, were they FeLV kitties? You are very brave to volunteer to help these kitties that need a little love after a rough life. I don't know if I could be brave enough to do the same thing. It must be so heartbreaking at times. Cassandra - Original Message - From: Sherry DeHaan To: Felvtalk Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 2:15 PM Subject: Cassandra and Brunello Please add to the ClS :( Ok now that I have stopped crying for the moment,let me ask that these sweet angels be added to the list. Cassandra beautiful sleek black girl left us yesterday,she is now with her beautiful sister Carissa. Brunello had a very rough life before Jen took this wonderful rough looking but very handsome boy with the loudest motor into Sids.I fell in love with him the second that I saw him.This was a shocker,I was just there Thursday and he was fine.Yesterday morning when one of the volunteers came in,she found him gasping for breath.It was found that he had a large mass on his trachea. This volunteering is the hardest yet most rewarding thing that I have done in my life.I am soo glad that I have all of you to talk to. Sherry -- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.4.0/760 - Release Date: 4/13/2007 8:04 PM
Re: A couple of pictures I took of Tomi today
At 01:33 PM 4/14/2007, you wrote: If there were away to make this easier I sure would. We are sending lot's of good energy to you.please stay on line and just talk to use when ever you need to. We are all here for each other, Kelly I'm using steroids right now, 2 tablets of prednisone per day. This is back to the dosage he was at for a week after his transfusion. This is basically the last thing the vet said we could try, she didn't say anything about cyclosporins. I think he needs the immune suppression as well, though I don't know if his bone marrow isn't producing enough red cells, or the virus is killing the new cells. It just seems odd that his red count was going up for a couple of weeks after the transfusion, and now its going down. I'm wondering if maybe the virus took over his bone marrow while his immune system was suppressed from the prednisone, but I guess its pretty hard to know what is going on. Thank you all for the kind thoughts. Cassandra - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Kelly L To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 1:43 PM Subject: Re: A couple of pictures I took of Tomi today At 09:25 AM 4/14/2007, you wrote: He is so beautiful...Oh it is so very very hard, It hurts so damn much..I know this is stupid but have they tried the high dose steroids or cyclosporins,,I have used the Immuno regulin, but in this situation I think immune suppression is needed, not immune stimulation, We are all just there with you...holding our breaths and sending as much good healing energy as possible Kelly I took these pictures today of my little Tomi boy: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/Fyrwulf/DSCF0053.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/Fyrwulf/DSCF0053.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/Fyrwulf/DSCF0037.jpg And here is an older pic of Tomi and Kisa (my other Felv baby) together: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/Fyrwulf/TomiKisa.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/Fyrwulf/TomiKisa.jpg Cassandra No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.4.0/760 - Release Date: 4/13/2007 8:04 PM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.4.0/760 - Release Date: 4/13/2007 8:04 PM No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.4.0/760 - Release Date: 4/13/2007 8:04 PM
Re: Cassandra and Brunello Please add to the ClS :(
At 12:15 PM 4/14/2007, you wrote: Oh Sherry, it is so hard and you go through this much too often, What you do is so wonderful. You have more strength than I do and you are making a wonderful difference in the lives of all these fur kids, Thank you Kelly Ok now that I have stopped crying for the moment,let me ask that these sweet angels be added to the list. Cassandra beautiful sleek black girl left us yesterday,she is now with her beautiful sister Carissa. Brunello had a very rough life before Jen took this wonderful rough looking but very handsome boy with the loudest motor into Sids.I fell in love with him the second that I saw him.This was a shocker,I was just there Thursday and he was fine.Yesterday morning when one of the volunteers came in,she found him gasping for breath.It was found that he had a large mass on his trachea. This volunteering is the hardest yet most rewarding thing that I have done in my life.I am soo glad that I have all of you to talk to. Sherry Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check out http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=48245/*http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html;_ylc=X3oDMTE1YW1jcXJ2BF9TAzk3MTA3MDc2BHNlYwNtYWlsdGFncwRzbGsDbmV3LWNhcnM-new cars at Yahoo! Autos. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.4.0/760 - Release Date: 4/13/2007 8:04 PM
Re: Cassandra and Brunello Please add to the ClS :(
Kelly it is VERY hard in times like this.But I am honored to have loved them all that I can Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 12:15 PM 4/14/2007, you wrote: Oh Sherry, it is so hard and you go through this much too often, What you do is so wonderful. You have more strength than I do and you are making a wonderful difference in the lives of all these fur kids, Thank you Kelly Ok now that I have stopped crying for the moment,let me ask that these sweet angels be added to the list. Cassandra beautiful sleek black girl left us yesterday,she is now with her beautiful sister Carissa. Brunello had a very rough life before Jen took this wonderful rough looking but very handsome boy with the loudest motor into Sids.I fell in love with him the second that I saw him.This was a shocker,I was just there Thursday and he was fine.Yesterday morning when one of the volunteers came in,she found him gasping for breath.It was found that he had a large mass on his trachea. This volunteering is the hardest yet most rewarding thing that I have done in my life.I am soo glad that I have all of you to talk to. Sherry Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.4.0/760 - Release Date: 4/13/2007 8:04 PM - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
Stitch - Questions!
feeding a super-premium commercial cat food, such as Innova, Wellness, Chicken Soup for the Cat, or Felidae (just some good examples - I feed felidae or Innova dry and merrick or innova canned), or you can make your own homemade diet using a recipe found My local small pet store seems to be well stocked and has Innova dry and canned and Merrick's canned, as well as a few other brands (Nature's Own I think was the other big one). I bought a couple cans of the Merrick's today so we'll see how she likes that. If she likes those I'll probably see about ordering larger supplies. I may go the route of making our own stuff here at some point, but not quite ready for that adventure. :) Still not an entirely alien experience as I've kept Iguanas in the past and I put quite a bit of effort into making weekly supplies of salad for them, when I still had them. :) I'm also a little curious about Interferon, which I've seen mentioned. Is this simply an immune booster or is it doing something else? As some have mentioned I probably will plan to get her retested in about 6 months, my only real concern with the Interferon is if it turns out she is clean on her second test is that something that can have any harmful effects? Another consideration is that the vet recommended a teeth cleaning because she's got some tartar/calculus build up and her gums are kind of red. The vet did mention that because of the FELV+ result, that we should give her antibiotics a day or two before she's due for that procedure to give her system a boost before the procedure, any opinions on that? I've also seen blood-tests what-not mentioned. I'm assuming when these are talked about, they're primarily general well-being kind of tests? This is something I should do? What type of results would be ideal/bad/inbetween? i.e., what should we be looking for? Thanks, Joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Also, it's not a great picture, but I do have a photo of Stitch posted on a web-forum I take part in (related to Fender guitars): http://www.fenderforum.com/userphotos/index.html?recid=18077 The other cat in the photo is Zoro and this picture was taken probably a month or two before he died, back in 2005. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
FELV Treatment with Cobra Venom?
Here are some links to treatment? of FELV using Cobra Venom? Some are fairly old. Have any heard of this? http://jvi.asm.org/cgi/reprint/54/3/873.pdf http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrievedb=PubMedlist_uids=2820273dopt=Abstract http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=551090 http://iai.asm.org/cgi/reprint/29/1/165.pdf
Re: Well, it looks like i'm going to lose Tomi :(
I have known of cat with hemo that had to be on the doxy for *longer than 6 weeks*, only my opinion but I would put him back on it. Has he been checked for Ehrlichia? Please make sure you vet is aware of these possibilities, talked about below. Here are some links to some of the causes of feline anemia: http://www.dvmnewsmagazine.com/dvm/article/articleDetail.jsp?id=408425 http://www.vin.com/proceedings/Proceedings.plx?CID=WSAVA2002PID=2590 Some other causes: *Feline Haemobartonellosis* is the most frequent cause of anemia in cats either as a primary or secondary opportunistic disease. (A cat with another disease such as feline leukemia will be more susceptible.) The prevalence of the disease is higher in male and outdoor roaming cats. It can be transmitted by ticks and also can be transmitted from an infected queen to her kittens. Symptoms can include sluggishness, depression and a lack of appetite that can become severe. *Feline Babesiosis* is a disease caused by a strain of a Babesia protozoan microorganism. The tick Rhipicephalus sanguineos is the culprit for this one. Signs to look for include fever, anemia and jaundice. *Feline Cytauxzoonosis* is a disease in domestic cats that causes severe anemia and can be fatal. It is transmitted by ticks and mainly by the Dermacentor variabilis. Cats with access to the outdoors are at a higher risk of this disease and, if infected, can exhibit fever, loss of appetite and depression. If caught quickly, these diseases can all be treated, so keep a keen eye on your pet and talk to your vet about any sudden behavioral changes. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Well, it looks like i'm going to lose Tomi :(
Those links are an interesting read, but from what I understood, Feline Babesiosis and Cytauxzoonosis are extremely rare in North America. It looks like those mainly occur in South America. For the Ehrlichia, it looks like it also uses Doxycycline as a treatment, so even if Tomi had it, he should be treated for it. It looks like bone marrow suppression is the main cause of anemia in FeLV cases, but they don't seem to offer any suggestion on dealing with that :(. There is one thing I am wondering about with Tomi, and I can't figure out the cause. For the last week or so, something seems to be irritating him. He will sometimes suddenly run a few steps and lick himself vigorously in several different spots. He also seems to be scratching his head/neck more often than normal. I was wondering if he might have fleas, but I can't see anything in his fur. I see no flea droppings etc. About all i've found is a couple of very small scabs, that could easily have been cause by his scratching. I doubt he has ear mites either, since his ears are very clean looking. Its not likely this has anything to do with his anemia, but its just something I find a bit odd. Cassandra - Original Message - From: Belinda To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 5:52 PM Subject: Re: Well, it looks like i'm going to lose Tomi :( I have known of cat with hemo that had to be on the doxy for longer than 6 weeks, only my opinion but I would put him back on it. Has he been checked for Ehrlichia? Please make sure you vet is aware of these possibilities, talked about below. Here are some links to some of the causes of feline anemia: http://www.dvmnewsmagazine.com/dvm/article/articleDetail.jsp?id=408425 http://www.vin.com/proceedings/Proceedings.plx?CID=WSAVA2002PID=2590 Some other causes: Feline Haemobartonellosis is the most frequent cause of anemia in cats either as a primary or secondary opportunistic disease. (A cat with another disease such as feline leukemia will be more susceptible.) The prevalence of the disease is higher in male and outdoor roaming cats. It can be transmitted by ticks and also can be transmitted from an infected queen to her kittens. Symptoms can include sluggishness, depression and a lack of appetite that can become severe. Feline Babesiosis is a disease caused by a strain of a Babesia protozoan microorganism. The tick Rhipicephalus sanguineos is the culprit for this one. Signs to look for include fever, anemia and jaundice. Feline Cytauxzoonosis is a disease in domestic cats that causes severe anemia and can be fatal. It is transmitted by ticks and mainly by the Dermacentor variabilis. Cats with access to the outdoors are at a higher risk of this disease and, if infected, can exhibit fever, loss of appetite and depression. If caught quickly, these diseases can all be treated, so keep a keen eye on your pet and talk to your vet about any sudden behavioral changes. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.4.0/760 - Release Date: 4/13/2007 8:04 PM
RE: Ages please
Hi Papoose tested positive age 5 weeks had him until 9 months old Hillman Waller tested positive 4 months had him until 1 1/2 years old (he developed lymphosarcoma in his throat, but was very healthy up to that point in his life, as far as I know he was only tested once and that was at 4 months and that is why I took him in) Cree tested positive 4 months still going strong at 8 months (Cree and her sister (who did not make it) as far as I know had not been tested before they reached 4 months) Nookie a feral tested positive when she was going to just be trapped spayed and released, aged by vet as an adult (between 3-5 years) and now living indoors Jeni From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Ages please Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 16:26:16 -0700 Would anyone mind sharing me the ages of your FELV cats and age of diagnosis. Thanks so much Kelly _ MSN is giving away a trip to Vegas to see Elton John. Enter to win today. http://msnconcertcontest.com?icid-nceltontagline
RE: sweet kitty in sw Michigan needs help
I hope you find a wonderful home for her. Another reason that being a black cat is a strike against her, is everybody over looks a black cat. They find calicos, orange, and white cats more interesting and want a prettier cat (I personally think black cats are beautiful), that is why a lot of black dogs are over looked in a shelter too. Good luck! Jeni From: cindy reasoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: sweet kitty in sw Michigan needs help Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 13:07:24 -0700 (PDT) Oh, she sounds so sweet and it is so sad that she was trying to find security in anybody's car! I hope you find her a home or who belongs to her. I love black cats. My Thomaseena was black and lived to be about 18 years old. I grew up with her. When she died I lost my best friend. My diabetic cat (Katie) is black and she holds a very special place in my heart. Is someone taking care of her until then? Did you say she was declawed? It isn't cheap to have a kitty declawed. You would think somebody cared about her. I will be praying that you find this poor sweet girl's home or a new home. Cindy Reasoner --- Melissa Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Debbie, I bet Nina meant that some people are superstitious or believe old wives tales (bad luck if a black cat crosses your path, etc.). Funny that this post occurred on Friday the 13th! Double superstitions! I just saw a beautiful, silky, short hair all black cat roaming our back yard. I called to it from our deck, but it had better things to do! I personally am not superstitious about black cats, but I do throw spilled salt over my left shoulder! :) Melissa -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Debbie Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 2:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: sweet kitty in sw Michigan needs help out of curiosity - why would a cat have a strike against her for being black? I'm curious. -Original Message- From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Apr 13, 2007 4:24 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: sweet kitty in sw Michigan needs help Hi Nan, I took the liberty of changing the subject line of your post to better indicate what it's about. What a little love this girl sounds like! Poor angel on her own with no front claws trying to get into the safety a human's car. It makes me want to go and scoop her up myself, (I won't even mention that to Bruce or my overcrowded household). Who has the cat right now? Has anyone posted flyers at the campground in case she accidently became lost from her people? Someone might be heartbroken and looking for her as I type this. Are you checking local papers for lost ads? Has someone posted a found ad in the paper near where the campgrounds are? They should also file a found report with the local animal shelter and ask if anyone has reported her missing to the shelter. She does have a strike against her because she's black, (I personally love black cats), but she has quite a rescue story and that might help to find her a home. The very best to you and this sweet baby, please let us know what happens to her. Hey... Wasn't there just someone very nice on this list that was thinking about adopting a neg cat??? Who was that? Wasn't it Marissa?? Marissa, did you end up adopting more cats yet?? Nina Nan Gelman wrote: hi all, It has been a while since I have posted to this site, but I need some help is there anyone in southwest Michigan who would like to adopt a very sweet all black female sprayed kitty cat. This kitty was found in a camp grounds trying to get in to anyone's car that she could. She is about a year old sprayed and front declawed. She tested negative for both FELV and FIV She is very sweet and gentle. Please let me know asap. Thanks so much Nan __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _ Download Messenger. Join the im Initiative. Help make a difference today. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGHM_APR07
Re: OT: Pregnant Feral Kitty....Questions
In a message dated 4/14/2007 11:46:25 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I see you haven't removed the invisible sign welcoming wayward ones from your front lawn :-) . Nopeit's still on...lmao Think people have figured out I'm a rescue even though I keep a low profile in my neck of the woods. Well, the female is about a week or two from having them. Husband says no way on aborting them. He is from the old school and he would never forgive me if I did this. Overall, she appears to be in good health. Will know more when I get her inside out of the rain and cold. Have intentions of spaying and neutering everybody before they leave. I don't need anymore kittens or cats as I have 10 personal kitties. They will not be mixed in with my own cats. Geez, that would make my place a ZOO Where I live the female can roam again after she is spayed and vaccinated. Who knows maybe my daughter will take her when she leaves and moves into her own place soon...I hope! I will take some photos of her and show you guys the kittens after they are born. I Googled your question about worming pregnant cats and got conflicting answers. If it where me, esp given her age and circumstance, I'd have her spayed and the kittens aborted. It may sound harsh, but I've come to that conclusion from harsh realities. I completely understand and respect your decision to let her have her kittens, esp if she is in good health and you are able to take on the responsibility. I love the babies and even with my harsh opening disclaimer would be thrilled to hear the pitter patter of little kitten paws about the place. If you are going to take this on, I would bring her to the vet and have her checked. At the very least, get a stool sample and have it checked for worms. I know there are certain worms that can be dangerous for the kittens. From the behavior you describe, I'm betting Little Girl will tame up in no time. She sounds like she is reaching out to you and has had at least some good experiences with humans. What a smart girl to have found her way to you! Congratulations. Please keep us informed, Nina Terrie Mohr-Forker TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Donations accepted at: _https://www.paypal.com/_ (https://www.paypal.com/) _http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/_ (http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/) _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue) _http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html_ (http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html) _http://www.felineleukemia.org/_ (http://www.felineleukemia.org/) _http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html_ (http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html) _http://www.petloss.com/_ (http://www.petloss.com/) ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
Re: OT: Pregnant Feral Kitty....Questions
Karen, don't worry it won't happen. Will alter everyone at the same time so the cycle does stop. In a message dated 4/14/2007 12:05:15 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Terrie, I disagree with aborting kittens unless you absolutely have no option. When I adopt kittens too young to be altered, the spay/neuter is included in the adoption fee and must be done at my vet. Bingo, if they are late getting them fixed I know it since I havent gotten a bill from my vet. I call and if they don't get them altered I take the cat back (its only happened once) then mom and all babes are fixed and the cycle for that family stops. Karen Terrie Mohr-Forker TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Donations accepted at: _https://www.paypal.com/_ (https://www.paypal.com/) _http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/_ (http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/) _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue) _http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html_ (http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html) _http://www.felineleukemia.org/_ (http://www.felineleukemia.org/) _http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html_ (http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html) _http://www.petloss.com/_ (http://www.petloss.com/) ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
Re: Pregnant Feral Kitty....Questions
In a message dated 4/14/2007 11:53:14 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I wouldn't even consider vaccinating her until after the babies are weaned. Vaccines weaken the body and, in her condition, even just a little could be too much. Check with a really good vet re worming. Without firm evidence that she had worms I wouldn't. How far along is she? About 2 weeks at the most. I will contact me my Vets on Monday about the worming. Thanks! Terrie Mohr-Forker TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Donations accepted at: _https://www.paypal.com/_ (https://www.paypal.com/) _http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/_ (http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/) _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue) _http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html_ (http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html) _http://www.felineleukemia.org/_ (http://www.felineleukemia.org/) _http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html_ (http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html) _http://www.petloss.com/_ (http://www.petloss.com/) ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
Can fleas cause anemia in adult cats?
I've been wondering why Tomi seems to be scratching more than normal, and licking himself vigorously once in awhile this last week. I wasn't that concerned about it since he doesn't scratch constantly, just more often than normal. I checked through his fur a few times, and didn't see much of anything. I've never noticed fleas on any of my other pets either. Tonight I noticed a some black dots on his lip and a little on his chin, so I checked his fur thoroughly with a flashlight. I found some more of the black dots on his tail. The rest of his fur looks clear, though it is difficult to see all of his skin through the thick fur. I imagine this could mean he has a few fleas, but would it be enough to actually cause his anemia? From what I read, fleas usually only cause anemia in young kittens and elderly cats. Likely i'm just overreacting, because I don't see how a few fleas would cause his PCV to be so low. As well, I would be scared to treat him with anything to kill them at the moment, while he's going through such a tough time. Cassandra
Re: Pregnant Feral Kitty....Questions
Don't vaccinate while pregnant or nursing. I have a mom and babies in a foster home right now -- mom found in a field with 2 week old babies and taken to the shelter, where I pulled her. We've already lost two of the four babies. Just found out yesterday that the shelter vet gave mom the FVRCP and rabies vaccines before releasing her. I am sure this stress on top of everything else is why we're losing kittens. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:In a message dated 4/14/2007 11:53:14 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I wouldn't even consider vaccinating her until after the babies are weaned. Vaccines weaken the body and, in her condition, even just a little could be too much. Check with a really good vet re worming. Without firm evidence that she had worms I wouldn't. How far along is she? About 2 weeks at the most. I will contact me my Vets on Monday about the worming. Thanks! Terrie Mohr-Forker TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Donations accepted at: https://www.paypal.com/ http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html http://www.felineleukemia.org/ http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html http://www.petloss.com/ - See what's free at AOL.com.
Re: Can fleas cause anemia in adult cats?
Yes they can--especially a cat that is in a weakened condition anyway. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: C J To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 8:38 PM Subject: Can fleas cause anemia in adult cats? I've been wondering why Tomi seems to be scratching more than normal, and licking himself vigorously once in awhile this last week. I wasn't that concerned about it since he doesn't scratch constantly, just more often than normal. I checked through his fur a few times, and didn't see much of anything. I've never noticed fleas on any of my other pets either. Tonight I noticed a some black dots on his lip and a little on his chin, so I checked his fur thoroughly with a flashlight. I found some more of the black dots on his tail. The rest of his fur looks clear, though it is difficult to see all of his skin through the thick fur. I imagine this could mean he has a few fleas, but would it be enough to actually cause his anemia? From what I read, fleas usually only cause anemia in young kittens and elderly cats. Likely i'm just overreacting, because I don't see how a few fleas would cause his PCV to be so low. As well, I would be scared to treat him with anything to kill them at the moment, while he's going through such a tough time. Cassandra
RE: OT: Pregnant Feral Kitty....Questions
I would spay her also, I'm sorry to say. I don't like it, neither do the vets, but I don't like the reality of over population either. We just took a little one from a mom who could not or would not feed her babies - the other 2 siblings died. Next night, young tame mother brought to animal control in distress and bleeding - 3 dead kittens inside of her. I trapped a feral cat once, who looked so pregnant to me - just HUGE - but with runny eyes, horrible neighborhood, outside in freezing sleet - I could not bring myself to spay her. Thought for sure she'd have her kittens the next day. THREE WEEKS LATER she gave birth - joke was on me! 2 great kittens, 2 not so great - 5 yrs later still have one of those kittens who strikes me as border-line autistic. I love him dearly, but who else will? But if you decide to NOT spay her, please ask a good vet if she should be de-wormed or vaccinated. I can never remember these things, but if she needs to wait until after her litter is born, no big deal. --- Melissa Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Terrie, I agree with Nina. I just made this difficult decision last week and had Nonie (a rescue) spay/abort. However, this is such a personal choice; you have to do what you feel is right. I took in 3 rescues/foster cats last week, and I don't run a shelter. Since I couldn't afford it if Nonie had babies, I decided to do this. Also, I know that where I live, trying to find a home for these three fosters will be next to impossible let alone a litter. But, I know it's a delicate and controversial issue-one that I grappled with quite a bit. Good luck with Little Girl-poor baby! Best Wishes, Melissa _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 2:33 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT: Pregnant Feral KittyQuestions I see you haven't removed the invisible sign welcoming wayward ones from your front lawn :-) . I Googled your question about worming pregnant cats and got conflicting answers. If it where me, esp given her age and circumstance, I'd have her spayed and the kittens aborted. It may sound harsh, but I've come to that conclusion from harsh realities. I completely understand and respect your decision to let her have her kittens, esp if she is in good health and you are able to take on the responsibility. I love the babies and even with my harsh opening disclaimer would be thrilled to hear the pitter patter of little kitten paws about the place. If you are going to take this on, I would bring her to the vet and have her checked. At the very least, get a stool sample and have it checked for worms. I know there are certain worms that can be dangerous for the kittens. From the behavior you describe, I'm betting Little Girl will tame up in no time. She sounds like she is reaching out to you and has had at least some good experiences with humans. What a smart girl to have found her way to you! Congratulations. Please keep us informed, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, It looks as we have a Feral pregnant Mom that has found her way to us. I'm going to trap her and put her on my back porch so she can tame down. Also have her babies safely. She is just a tiger strip kitty and very small. I have named her Little Girl My question is Can she be wormed? Do you recommend she be vaccinated before or after the birth of the kittens? I use Heska...it is intra nasal vaccination on my cats. I've never had any problems with it. I can tell she wants to be friendly with me. I can get about 2 feet from her and drop some food down. I back off and she eats it up. I have been feeding her with my other Feral kitties. I normally wouldn't ask these questions but never had a pregnant kitty either that lived outside that is feral. I can tell she is a baby herself she is under a year old at the most maybe 7-9 months old. I will get her spayed for free after the babies are born. So as you can see I'm clueless on this! Thanks for your help in this matter. Hugs to all Terrie Mohr-Forker
Re: Can fleas cause anemia in adult cats?
ABSOLUTELY. that's how i discovered flea-induced anemia years ago, and how i learned that persians are abnormally sensitive to pesticides lost a beautiful blue-cream darling during a really bad flea season because no vet--then or since--had ever told me the latter (this was back in '90?), and i did not, then, recognize the symptoms of anemia. when i talk about hard lessons learned, that's probably the hardest any of my beloveds have taught me. MC On 4/14/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes they can--especially a cat that is in a weakened condition anyway. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - *From:* C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Saturday, April 14, 2007 8:38 PM *Subject:* Can fleas cause anemia in adult cats? I've been wondering why Tomi seems to be scratching more than normal, and licking himself vigorously once in awhile this last week. I wasn't that concerned about it since he doesn't scratch constantly, just more often than normal. I checked through his fur a few times, and didn't see much of anything. I've never noticed fleas on any of my other pets either. Tonight I noticed a some black dots on his lip and a little on his chin, so I checked his fur thoroughly with a flashlight. I found some more of the black dots on his tail. The rest of his fur looks clear, though it is difficult to see all of his skin through the thick fur. I imagine this could mean he has a few fleas, but would it be enough to actually cause his anemia? From what I read, fleas usually only cause anemia in young kittens and elderly cats. Likely i'm just overreacting, because I don't see how a few fleas would cause his PCV to be so low. As well, I would be scared to treat him with anything to kill them at the moment, while he's going through such a tough time. Cassandra -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
vaccine schedule and mixing negatives and positives
Hi! I rescued Jack about 3 months ago and he is FeLV+ ) I took him from an abusive home with the intention of finding him a wonderful home). I have 6 other cats, Mr.Furley (5yrs), Lucky (1 1/2 yrs), Ralphie, Janet, and Cleo (each 1 yr), and Furby (10 months). Everyone else has been tested for FeLV and is negative. I am unable to continue keeping Jack separated from the others and I have not been able to find him an appropriate home. I went to the holistic veterinarian who recommended vaccinating all - cats against FeLV and allowing them to mix. She said that FeLV is most often transmitted through bites etc. I have read so much info about FeLV being transmitted through saliva (all of my cats are VERY friendly and all groom eachother) and that 2 shots are given then an annual booster is recommended. I guess my questions are as follows: What are your experiences with mixing negatives and positives? Have any of your vaccinated cats contracted the disease? How long after vaccinating do I need to wait before introducing them? (Vet said 48 hours). Any info would be GREATLY appreciated! Thank you very much - Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail
RE: vaccine schedule and mixing negatives and positives
Lots of folks will respond but as one who mixes, I never even think about it. My oldest positive was not diagnosed until she was 4 or so and by that point all the others (3) had been around her all that time-they all were neg. They had not been vaccinated for FELV but now I vacc yearly. I then took in a second pos-an older stray I had been feeding but did not know he was pos. Tucson is 9 and we think Romeo is around the same age. They eat together, share litter boxes, toys, sleep together; groom each other; and I never really worry about it. Christiane Biagi 914-632-4672 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART) www.findkpets.org Join Us Help Reunite Katrina-displaced Families with their Animals -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jodie Marsten Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 10:25 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: vaccine schedule and mixing negatives and positives Hi! I rescued Jack about 3 months ago and he is FeLV+ ) I took him from an abusive home with the intention of finding him a wonderful home). I have 6 other cats, Mr.Furley (5yrs), Lucky (1 1/2 yrs), Ralphie, Janet, and Cleo (each 1 yr), and Furby (10 months). Everyone else has been tested for FeLV and is negative. I am unable to continue keeping Jack separated from the others and I have not been able to find him an appropriate home. I went to the holistic veterinarian who recommended vaccinating all - cats against FeLV and allowing them to mix. She said that FeLV is most often transmitted through bites etc. I have read so much info about FeLV being transmitted through saliva (all of my cats are VERY friendly and all groom eachother) and that 2 shots are given then an annual booster is recommended. I guess my questions are as follows: What are your experiences with mixing negatives and positives? Have any of your vaccinated cats contracted the disease? How long after vaccinating do I need to wait before introducing them? (Vet said 48 hours). Any info would be GREATLY appreciated! Thank you very much _ Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=40705/*http:/mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=c a All-new Yahoo! Mail
Re: Can fleas cause anemia in adult cats?
How many fleas does there need to be to cause anemia? I don't think Tomi could have very many fleas, since I can't find alot of flea droppings (and I haven't found any actual fleas yet). I'm just wondering how I could treat the fleas while he's in such a weakened state. Wouldn't flea collars, chemicals etc be too hard on him right now? I couldn't even imagine giving him a flea bath...that would be about as much stress as I could possibly put him through. Cassandra - Original Message - From: TenHouseCats To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 9:24 PM Subject: Re: Can fleas cause anemia in adult cats? ABSOLUTELY. that's how i discovered flea-induced anemia years ago, and how i learned that persians are abnormally sensitive to pesticides lost a beautiful blue-cream darling during a really bad flea season because no vet--then or since--had ever told me the latter (this was back in '90?), and i did not, then, recognize the symptoms of anemia. when i talk about hard lessons learned, that's probably the hardest any of my beloveds have taught me. MC On 4/14/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes they can--especially a cat that is in a weakened condition anyway. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: C J To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 8:38 PM Subject: Can fleas cause anemia in adult cats? I've been wondering why Tomi seems to be scratching more than normal, and licking himself vigorously once in awhile this last week. I wasn't that concerned about it since he doesn't scratch constantly, just more often than normal. I checked through his fur a few times, and didn't see much of anything. I've never noticed fleas on any of my other pets either. Tonight I noticed a some black dots on his lip and a little on his chin, so I checked his fur thoroughly with a flashlight. I found some more of the black dots on his tail. The rest of his fur looks clear, though it is difficult to see all of his skin through the thick fur. I imagine this could mean he has a few fleas, but would it be enough to actually cause his anemia? From what I read, fleas usually only cause anemia in young kittens and elderly cats. Likely i'm just overreacting, because I don't see how a few fleas would cause his PCV to be so low. As well, I would be scared to treat him with anything to kill them at the moment, while he's going through such a tough time. Cassandra -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.4.0/760 - Release Date: 4/13/2007 8:04 PM
Re: Cassandra and Brunello Please add to the ClS :(
Sherry, I'm so sorry you all have lost two more beautiful furbabies. It must have been hard to come in and see Brunello gasping like that. Bless you guys for all you do for all cats. :) Wendy --- Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok now that I have stopped crying for the moment,let me ask that these sweet angels be added to the list. Cassandra beautiful sleek black girl left us yesterday,she is now with her beautiful sister Carissa. Brunello had a very rough life before Jen took this wonderful rough looking but very handsome boy with the loudest motor into Sids.I fell in love with him the second that I saw him.This was a shocker,I was just there Thursday and he was fine.Yesterday morning when one of the volunteers came in,she found him gasping for breath.It was found that he had a large mass on his trachea. This volunteering is the hardest yet most rewarding thing that I have done in my life.I am soo glad that I have all of you to talk to. Sherry - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world: Indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Pregnant Feral Kitty....Questions
In a message dated 4/14/2007 7:02:17 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Don't vaccinate while pregnant or nursing. I have a mom and babies in a foster home right now -- mom found in a field with 2 week old babies and taken to the shelter, where I pulled her. We've already lost two of the four babies. Just found out yesterday that the shelter vet gave mom the FVRCP and rabies vaccines before releasing her. I am sure this stress on top of everything else is why we're losing kittens. Don't fear will not do the vaccinations until later. Thanks for the info! Terrie Mohr-Forker TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Donations accepted at: _https://www.paypal.com/_ (https://www.paypal.com/) _http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/_ (http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/) _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue) _http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html_ (http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html) _http://www.felineleukemia.org/_ (http://www.felineleukemia.org/) _http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html_ (http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html) _http://www.petloss.com/_ (http://www.petloss.com/) ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
Re: Can fleas cause anemia in adult cats?
Yes, fleas can cause anemia. Scratching is a sign of fleas. Also dots under the chin, lip, and the tail can be Feline Acne. Do you use plastic bowls for feeding and water? Plastic will cause the black spots (Feline Acne) if they don't rub off right away. Use ceramic or glass dishes if possible. From what I read, fleas usually only cause anemia in young kittens and elderly cats. That is not true. This will suppress the immune system when there are other illnesses such as Felv. I've seen cats and dogs at all ages have anemia due to fleas especially in shelter situations. Terrie Mohr-Forker TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Donations accepted at: _https://www.paypal.com/_ (https://www.paypal.com/) _http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/_ (http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/) _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue) _http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html_ (http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html) _http://www.felineleukemia.org/_ (http://www.felineleukemia.org/) _http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html_ (http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html) _http://www.petloss.com/_ (http://www.petloss.com/) ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
Re: vaccine schedule and mixing negatives and positives
In a message dated 4/14/2007 8:28:24 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What are your experiences with mixing negatives and positives? I mix both positive and negative together my personal kitties. Never thought about it really. When one was diagnosed I had younger and senior kitties living with him. They were tested and it came back negative. After he passed still never had anyone come up negative. It was one great big family. It was not an option to separate them. Now, on my rescues I do not mix them with my personal kitties there is no contact. So if something was to happen I don't have it in the back of my mind if a rescue kitty came up positive from a adopter. Have any of your vaccinated cats contracted the disease? No, had them tested prior before giving the negatives their vaccines. How long after vaccinating do I need to wait before introducing them? (Vet said 48 hours). I never waited especially when they had been exposed anyway. These are just my opinions. Let your heart speak of whether this is what you want to do. I don't have any regrets of mixing any of my fur-kids. Terrie Mohr-Forker TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Donations accepted at: _https://www.paypal.com/_ (https://www.paypal.com/) _http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/_ (http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/) _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue) _http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html_ (http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html) _http://www.felineleukemia.org/_ (http://www.felineleukemia.org/) _http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html_ (http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html) _http://www.petloss.com/_ (http://www.petloss.com/) ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
Re: Can fleas cause anemia in adult cats?
I am hoping that dealing with the fleas will help your baby!!! :) Wendy --- Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Find a lice comb and go thru his hair with it. This should disturb the fleas. You can pick them up with a wet q-tip too and drown them (sorry fleas, it is you or the cat). It only takes a bite or two to give Dixie hotspots that require medical attention. This is going to depend on the cat. Also was any bedding etc in very hot water. Fleas don't bother me and keeping up with Dixie v Fleas is difficult. They may or may not be the cause of Tomi's problems but they sure can contribute to they. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: C J To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 10:02 PM Subject: Re: Can fleas cause anemia in adult cats? How many fleas does there need to be to cause anemia? I don't think Tomi could have very many fleas, since I can't find alot of flea droppings (and I haven't found any actual fleas yet). I'm just wondering how I could treat the fleas while he's in such a weakened state. Wouldn't flea collars, chemicals etc be too hard on him right now? I couldn't even imagine giving him a flea bath...that would be about as much stress as I could possibly put him through. Cassandra - Original Message - From: TenHouseCats To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 9:24 PM Subject: Re: Can fleas cause anemia in adult cats? ABSOLUTELY. that's how i discovered flea-induced anemia years ago, and how i learned that persians are abnormally sensitive to pesticides lost a beautiful blue-cream darling during a really bad flea season because no vet--then or since--had ever told me the latter (this was back in '90?), and i did not, then, recognize the symptoms of anemia. when i talk about hard lessons learned, that's probably the hardest any of my beloveds have taught me. MC On 4/14/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes they can--especially a cat that is in a weakened condition anyway. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: C J To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 8:38 PM Subject: Can fleas cause anemia in adult cats? I've been wondering why Tomi seems to be scratching more than normal, and licking himself vigorously once in awhile this last week. I wasn't that concerned about it since he doesn't scratch constantly, just more often than normal. I checked through his fur a few times, and didn't see much of anything. I've never noticed fleas on any of my other pets either. Tonight I noticed a some black dots on his lip and a little on his chin, so I checked his fur thoroughly with a flashlight. I found some more of the black dots on his tail. The rest of his fur looks clear, though it is difficult to see all of his skin through the thick fur. I imagine this could mean he has a few fleas, but would it be enough to actually cause his anemia? From what I read, fleas usually only cause anemia in young kittens and elderly cats. Likely i'm just overreacting, because I don't see how a few fleas would cause his PCV to be so low. As well, I would be scared to treat him with anything to kill them at the moment, while he's going through such a tough time. Cassandra -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.4.0/760 - Release Date: 4/13/2007 8:04 PM Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world: Indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~
Re: Can fleas cause anemia in adult cats?
Go buy a flea comb they are very cheap at any store. Of course there some that look like a very fine comb with handles. It depends on what you want to purchase. Run the comb through the kitty's fur. You will see more black stuff (Flea Dirt) hopefully catch the critter or two. When you get one on the flea comb rinse it off in water or use a set of tweezers and squash it. You gotta kill it if anything squeeze it with your fingernails. It only takes a flea or two to start the anemia especially with a weak immune system. In a message dated 4/14/2007 8:28:28 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How many fleas does there need to be to cause anemia? I don't think Tomi could have very many fleas, since I can't find alot of flea droppings (and I haven't found any actual fleas yet). I'm just wondering how I could treat the fleas while he's in such a weakened state. Wouldn't flea collars, chemicals etc be too hard on him right now? I couldn't even imagine giving him a flea bath...that would be about as much stress as I could possibly put him through. Cassandra Terrie Mohr-Forker TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Donations accepted at: _https://www.paypal.com/_ (https://www.paypal.com/) _http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/_ (http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/) _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue) _http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html_ (http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html) _http://www.felineleukemia.org/_ (http://www.felineleukemia.org/) _http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html_ (http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html) _http://www.petloss.com/_ (http://www.petloss.com/) ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
Re: A couple of pictures I took of Tomi today
Cassandra, Tomi is gorgeous!!! What a beautiful face! The good thing for Tomi, but bad for the fleas, is that he's light colored. You can see the fleas really easily in light fur. :) Wendy --- C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I took these pictures today of my little Tomi boy: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/Fyrwulf/DSCF0053.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/Fyrwulf/DSCF0037.jpg And here is an older pic of Tomi and Kisa (my other Felv baby) together: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/Fyrwulf/TomiKisa.jpg Cassandra Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world: Indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
