Re: [Felvtalk] Link to Story about Caboodle Ranch Rescue Effort
Oh don't shoot him, make him suffer the same way he made those poor babies suffer. An eye for an eye in this case! Good for you for telling the attorney's your opinion! I'd say the same thing :0) - Original Message - From: dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 7:31 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Link to Story about Caboodle Ranch Rescue Effort I agree. PETA does not have too good a record themselves. This man simply got in over his head and did not know how to solve the problem. I also agree about those who tortue. There was a man in the St. Louis area who adopted puppies and kittens and then trtured them to death. He kept them alive as long as possible so he could enjoy their sufering. If I had my way, this man would have been shot on site. I was called for jury duty on an animal cruelty case. They asked me if I had an opinion on the case. I said shot the sob. They didn't call me for that jury. GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote: When I first saw a video about this ranch a few years ago, I wondered how anyone could possible keep track of and care for so many cats, especially when there's absolutely no control over them, in all those little houses (no matter how cute they are), no central feeding place, etc. I am not really surprised! However, the fact that PETA is involved, worries me a bit..for several reasons. Natalie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 11:51 AM To: FeLV Talk Subject: [Felvtalk] Link to Story about Caboodle Ranch Rescue Effort http://northeastcobb.patch.com/articles/good-mews-assists-aspca-in-rescue-of -600-cats#photo-9221699 Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter!Image removed by sender. www.Furkids.org http://www.furkids.org/ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Animal abuse
On 03-01, Lynda Wilson wrote: Oh don't shoot him, make him suffer the same way he made those poor babies suffer. An eye for an eye in this case! Good for you for telling the attorney's your opinion! I'd say the same thing :0) I don't like PETA being in on this case either. I think Craig Grant got in over his head, but didn't mean to abuse the cats. AS for jury duty I'd say I had to listen to the details before making a decision. That way I'd be chosen for the jury. Then when the jury voted I'd give this cruel SOB what he deserves. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Caboodle Ranch - Another sanctuary owner charged with cruelty
FYI: Here's another perspective on the situation: From: X [name removed]Sent: Tuesday,February 28, 2012 3:51 PMSubject: Craig Grant, Director of Caboodle Ranch The below info isfound at this link: https://www.facebook.com/caboodleranch.savethekitties Yesterday, when I heard of the investigation and rescue intervention at Caboodle Ranch, my first thought was that Craig Grant was just another compassionate fool who got in over his head because he couldn't turn away a cat with nowhere to go. The below information has changed my perception of him. No decent individual would let animals in his custody go without needed medical care, food and clean living conditions while making frivolous expenditures on himself from 501.3c funds that should have been spent on the cats. Financial Fraud For an overview of embezzlement and financial fraud click here here. Records obtained through the court indicate that operator, Craig Grant, is embezzling corporate funds (donations) for personal use. There are numerous transactions on their 501(c) not-for-profit account fortransactions such as: airline flights, trip to Vegas, tickets to Daytona 500, hotels, online clothing orders, online magazine orders, gifts, etc. The list goes on and on. Craig admitted in court records that he does not routinely record cash donations. It's been reported that Craig has used cash to take people out to eat. In interviews Craig Grant has stated he gets a $1000/month personal salary. Therefore, any personal expenses should be paid for out of HIS salary. It is unlawful for any transactions for personal use to come out of a not-for-profit corporate account. All donations/income MUST be used for the care of cats. The IRS andAttorney General have been notified. - Fight back spam! Download the Blue Frog. http://www.bluesecurity.com/register/s?user=Y3BxMzc0NQ%3D%3D Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 19:34:37 -0600 From: dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Caboodle Ranch - Another sanctuary owner charged with cruelty I have asked my vet to tak t me if he thinks I am becoming a hoarder. I wish I had a mllion dollars, I would have such a rescue place for all animals, but until then, I feel that my limit is 7 cats both fnancially and physically. Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: The people I'm talking about did spay/neuter had vet references. They had good intentions, but the hoarding mentality took over got out of hand. Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: GRAS g...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2012 10:28 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: Caboodle Ranch - Another sanctuary owner charged with cruelty Sadly, there may be some, but I have yet to come across a “rescuer/hoarder” in the 20 years of being involved in cat rescuein Southern CT. There are probably some hoarder types; a typical symptom would be someone who doesn’t spay/neuter nor provides veterinary care….therefore, they may not be the “typical” hoarders as we know them. The CT woman was definitely not one! She was extremely well-respected, a caring and capable woman whose life and the lives of the cats in her care have been ruined forever, thanks to overzealous officials and a disgruntled person! The state didn’t even allow her home-visit vet to vouch for the health and treatment that he prescribed for cats in her care to testify on her behalf! I can tell you that there’s a hidden agenda in CT to put all small cat rescues out of business to allow stray, feral, abandoned cats to be rounded up and killed! BTW, we are NO-KILL, no cages; in addition to cats in home surroundings, we also have several cat condos and enclosed outdoor runs in warmer months. Natalie From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 9:47 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Caboodle Ranch - Another sanctuary owner charged with cruelty I don't know the full story of the woman in CT, so I can't comment on that, but I've seen people who are heads of rescue organizations who are hoarders. Just because someone has a title does not mean they are OK. Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Animal abuse
I like your way of thinking Lorrie! - Original Message - From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 6:52 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Animal abuse On 03-01, Lynda Wilson wrote: Oh don't shoot him, make him suffer the same way he made those poor babies suffer. An eye for an eye in this case! Good for you for telling the attorney's your opinion! I'd say the same thing :0) I don't like PETA being in on this case either. I think Craig Grant got in over his head, but didn't mean to abuse the cats. AS for jury duty I'd say I had to listen to the details before making a decision. That way I'd be chosen for the jury. Then when the jury voted I'd give this cruel SOB what he deserves. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Animal abuse
Maybe a better strategy could have been NOT to say anything, and then ZAP it to him through the jury!? -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 7:53 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Animal abuse On 03-01, Lynda Wilson wrote: Oh don't shoot him, make him suffer the same way he made those poor babies suffer. An eye for an eye in this case! Good for you for telling the attorney's your opinion! I'd say the same thing :0) I don't like PETA being in on this case either. I think Craig Grant got in over his head, but didn't mean to abuse the cats. AS for jury duty I'd say I had to listen to the details before making a decision. That way I'd be chosen for the jury. Then when the jury voted I'd give this cruel SOB what he deserves. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Caboodle Ranch - Another sanctuary owner charged with cruelty
Thank you for sending this. It makes it clear that this isn't just a case of a mere getting over his head situation.he's a crook, plain and simple. I'm glad that I never came across anyone like that, yet..Natalie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of C PQ Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 8:03 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Caboodle Ranch - Another sanctuary owner charged with cruelty FYI: Here's another perspective on the situation: From: X [name removed] Sent: Tuesday,February 28, 2012 3:51 PM Subject: Craig Grant, Director of Caboodle Ranch The below info isfound at this link: https://www.facebook.com/caboodleranch.savethekitties Yesterday, when I heard of the investigation and rescue intervention at Caboodle Ranch, my first thought was that Craig Grant was just another compassionate fool who got in over his head because he couldn't turn away a cat with nowhere to go. The below information has changed my perception of him. No decent individual would let animals in his custody go without needed medical care, food and clean living conditions while making frivolous expenditures on himself from 501.3c funds that should have been spent on the cats. Financial Fraud For an overview of embezzlement and financial fraud click here here. Records obtained through the court indicate that operator, Craig Grant, is embezzling corporate funds (donations) for personal use. There are numerous transactions on their 501(c) not-for-profit account fortransactions such as: airline flights, trip to Vegas, tickets to Daytona 500, hotels, online clothing orders, online magazine orders, gifts, etc. The list goes on and on. Craig admitted in court records that he does not routinely record cash donations. It's been reported that Craig has used cash to take people out to eat. In interviews Craig Grant has stated he gets a $1000/month personal salary. Therefore, any personal expenses should be paid for out of HIS salary. It is unlawful for any transactions for personal use to come out of a not-for-profit corporate account. All donations/income MUST be used for the care of cats. The IRS andAttorney General have been notified. - Fight back spam! Download the Blue Frog. http://www.bluesecurity.com/register/s?user=Y3BxMzc0NQ%3D%3D Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 19:34:37 -0600 From: dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Caboodle Ranch - Another sanctuary owner charged with cruelty I have asked my vet to tak t me if he thinks I am becoming a hoarder. I wish I had a mllion dollars, I would have such a rescue place for all animals, but until then, I feel that my limit is 7 cats both fnancially and physically. Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: The people I'm talking about did spay/neuter had vet references. They had good intentions, but the hoarding mentality took over got out of hand. Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: GRAS g...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2012 10:28 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: Caboodle Ranch - Another sanctuary owner charged with cruelty Sadly, there may be some, but I have yet to come across a rescuer/hoarder in the 20 years of being involved in cat rescuein Southern CT. There are probably some hoarder types; a typical symptom would be someone who doesn't spay/neuter nor provides veterinary care..therefore, they may not be the typical hoarders as we know them. The CT woman was definitely not one! She was extremely well-respected, a caring and capable woman whose life and the lives of the cats in her care have been ruined forever, thanks to overzealous officials and a disgruntled person! The state didn't even allow her home-visit vet to vouch for the health and treatment that he prescribed for cats in her care to testify on her behalf! I can tell you that there's a hidden agenda in CT to put all small cat rescues out of business to allow stray, feral, abandoned cats to be rounded up and killed! BTW, we are NO-KILL, no cages; in addition to cats in home surroundings, we also have several cat condos and enclosed outdoor runs in warmer months. Natalie From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 9:47 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Caboodle Ranch - Another sanctuary owner charged with cruelty I don't know the full story of the woman in CT, so I can't comment on that, but I've seen people who are heads of rescue organizations who are hoarders. Just because someone has a title does not mean they are OK. Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list
Re: [Felvtalk] Link to Story about Caboodle Ranch Rescue Effort
What is upsetting to me as well about PETA's involvement, is that they sent out an email about Caboodle, then at the end used the situation to call for withdrawl of the proposed FL Animal Rescue Act. This bill is very important in the minds of all FL rescue people that I know of--I am in FL and very involved with rescue--and now PETA is saying this will enable places like Caboodle to pull animals from shelters. So now all sorts of people who are not involved in rescue and have no familiarity with the bill probably think it is horrible and will be speaking out against it (there was a link to contact FL legislators), at the time when it needs all the support it can get. On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 8:31 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: I agree. PETA does not have too good a record themselves. This man simply got in over his head and did not know how to solve the problem. I also agree about those who tortue. There was a man in the St. Louis area who adopted puppies and kittens and then trtured them to death. He kept them alive as long as possible so he could enjoy their sufering. If I had my way, this man would have been shot on site. I was called for jury duty on an animal cruelty case. They asked me if I had an opinion on the case. I said shot the sob. They didn't call me for that jury. GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote: When I first saw a video about this ranch a few years ago, I wondered how anyone could possible keep track of and care for so many cats, especially when there's absolutely no control over them, in all those little houses (no matter how cute they are), no central feeding place, etc. I am not really surprised! However, the fact that PETA is involved, worries me a bit..for several reasons. Natalie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 11:51 AM To: FeLV Talk Subject: [Felvtalk] Link to Story about Caboodle Ranch Rescue Effort http://northeastcobb.patch.com/articles/good-mews-assists-aspca-in-rescue-of -600-cats#photo-9221699 Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter!Image removed by sender. www.Furkids.orghttp://www.furkids.org/ http://www.furkids.org/ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Link to Story about Caboodle Ranch Rescue Effort
PETA definitely does questionable things. What exactly does the bill do? I am glad that a very reputable Georgia rescue - Good Mews, is helping out with this. Unfortunately if they take animals it means more animals in GA will die. Lose-lose situation. Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Heather furrygi...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 11:13 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Link to Story about Caboodle Ranch Rescue Effort What is upsetting to me as well about PETA's involvement, is that they sent out an email about Caboodle, then at the end used the situation to call for withdrawl of the proposed FL Animal Rescue Act. This bill is very important in the minds of all FL rescue people that I know of--I am in FL and very involved with rescue--and now PETA is saying this will enable places like Caboodle to pull animals from shelters. So now all sorts of people who are not involved in rescue and have no familiarity with the bill probably think it is horrible and will be speaking out against it (there was a link to contact FL legislators), at the time when it needs all the support it can get. On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 8:31 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: I agree. PETA does not have too good a record themselves. This man simply got in over his head and did not know how to solve the problem. I also agree about those who tortue. There was a man in the St. Louis area who adopted puppies and kittens and then trtured them to death. He kept them alive as long as possible so he could enjoy their sufering. If I had my way, this man would have been shot on site. I was called for jury duty on an animal cruelty case. They asked me if I had an opinion on the case. I said shot the sob. They didn't call me for that jury. GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote: When I first saw a video about this ranch a few years ago, I wondered how anyone could possible keep track of and care for so many cats, especially when there's absolutely no control over them, in all those little houses (no matter how cute they are), no central feeding place, etc. I am not really surprised! However, the fact that PETA is involved, worries me a bit..for several reasons. Natalie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 11:51 AM To: FeLV Talk Subject: [Felvtalk] Link to Story about Caboodle Ranch Rescue Effort http://northeastcobb.patch.com/articles/good-mews-assists-aspca-in-rescue-of -600-cats#photo-9221699 Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter!Image removed by sender. www.Furkids.org http://www.furkids.org/ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Caboodle Ranch
It appears I was certainly wrong to assume Craig Grant just couldn't turn down a homeless cat. It was money for his own enjoyment that he couldn't turn down! This is really shocking. Lorrie On 03-02, C PQ wrote: FYI: Here's another perspective on the situation: From: X [name removed] Sent: Tuesday,February 28, 2012 3:51 PM Subject: Craig Grant, Director of Caboodle Ranch The below info isfound at this link: https://www.facebook.com/caboodleranch.savethekitties Yesterday, when I heard of the investigation and rescue intervention at Caboodle Ranch, my first thought was that Craig Grant was just another compassionate fool who got in over his head because he couldn't turn away a cat with nowhere to go. The below information has changed my perception of him. No decent individual would let animals in his custody go without needed medical care, food and clean living conditions while making frivolous expenditures on himself from 501.3c funds that should have been spent on the cats. Financial Fraud For an overview of embezzlement and financial fraud click here here. Records obtained through the court indicate that operator, Craig Grant, is embezzling corporate funds (donations) for personal use. There are numerous transactions on their 501(c) not-for-profit account for transactions such as: airline flights, trip to Vegas, tickets to Daytona 500, hotels, online clothing orders, online magazine orders, gifts, etc. The list goes on and on. Craig admitted in court records that he does not routinely record cash donations. It's been reported that Craig has used cash to take people out to eat. In interviews Craig Grant has stated he gets a $1000/month personal salary. Therefore, any personal expenses should be paid for out of HIS salary. It is unlawful for any transactions for personal use to come out of a not-for-profit corporate account. All donations/income MUST be used for the care of cats. The IRS andAttorney General have been notified. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Link to Story about Caboodle Ranch Rescue Effort
Most of the time these big raids end up in the lap of the local rescues/shelters. Usually the big orgs like PETA, HSUS, ASPCA provide transportation to various rescues shelters who then have responsibility for the animals. As far as the law referred to would only require that no animal in a shelter would be euthanized if a legitimate rescue is willing to take it. http://www.floridarescueact.com/ While local rescues are universally advocating for this bill, the big organizations are all against it. In NY, my home state, ASPCA has spent millions pushing the quick kill bill which would, among other things, allow shelters to immediately kill any animal they deem to be under psychological pain From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 11:39 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Link to Story about Caboodle Ranch Rescue Effort PETA definitely does questionable things. What exactly does the bill do? I am glad that a very reputable Georgia rescue - Good Mews, is helping out with this. Unfortunately if they take animals it means more animals in GA will die. Lose-lose situation. Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/21.gif www.Furkids.org http://www.furkids.org/ _ From: Heather furrygi...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 11:13 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Link to Story about Caboodle Ranch Rescue Effort What is upsetting to me as well about PETA's involvement, is that they sent out an email about Caboodle, then at the end used the situation to call for withdrawl of the proposed FL Animal Rescue Act. This bill is very important in the minds of all FL rescue people that I know of--I am in FL and very involved with rescue--and now PETA is saying this will enable places like Caboodle to pull animals from shelters. So now all sorts of people who are not involved in rescue and have no familiarity with the bill probably think it is horrible and will be speaking out against it (there was a link to contact FL legislators), at the time when it needs all the support it can get. On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 8:31 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: I agree. PETA does not have too good a record themselves. This man simply got in over his head and did not know how to solve the problem. I also agree about those who tortue. There was a man in the St. Louis area who adopted puppies and kittens and then trtured them to death. He kept them alive as long as possible so he could enjoy their sufering. If I had my way, this man would have been shot on site. I was called for jury duty on an animal cruelty case. They asked me if I had an opinion on the case. I said shot the sob. They didn't call me for that jury. GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote: When I first saw a video about this ranch a few years ago, I wondered how anyone could possible keep track of and care for so many cats, especially when there's absolutely no control over them, in all those little houses (no matter how cute they are), no central feeding place, etc. I am not really surprised! However, the fact that PETA is involved, worries me a bit..for several reasons. Natalie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 11:51 AM To: FeLV Talk Subject: [Felvtalk] Link to Story about Caboodle Ranch Rescue Effort http://northeastcobb.patch.com/articles/good-mews-assists-aspca-in-rescue-of -600-cats#photo-9221699 Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter!Image removed by sender. www.Furkids.org http://www.furkids.org/ http://www.furkids.org/ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Link to Story about Caboodle Ranch Rescue Effort
We have a similar law in California -- animals may not be euthanized is a non-profit rescue is willing to take that animal. There are plenty of ways around it and the law is hard to enforce but it has saved a lot of lives and created good working partnerships between rescues and shelters. --- On Fri, 3/2/12, Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.com wrote: From: Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Link to Story about Caboodle Ranch Rescue Effort To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Friday, March 2, 2012, 9:04 AM Most of the time these big raids end up in the lap of the local rescues/shelters. Usually the big orgs like PETA, HSUS, ASPCA provide transportation to various rescues shelters who then have responsibility for the animals. As far as the law referred to would only require that no animal in a shelter would be euthanized if a legitimate rescue is willing to take it. http://www.floridarescueact.com/ While local rescues are universally advocating for this bill, the big organizations are all against it. In NY, my home state, ASPCA has spent millions pushing the “quick kill” bill which would, among other things, allow shelters to immediately kill any animal they deem to be under “psychological pain” From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 11:39 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Link to Story about Caboodle Ranch Rescue Effort PETA definitely does questionable things. What exactly does the bill do? I am glad that a very reputable Georgia rescue - Good Mews, is helping out with this. Unfortunately if they take animals it means more animals in GA will die. Lose-lose situation. Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Heather furrygi...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 11:13 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Link to Story about Caboodle Ranch Rescue Effort What is upsetting to me as well about PETA's involvement, is that they sent out an email about Caboodle, then at the end used the situation to call for withdrawl of the proposed FL Animal Rescue Act. This bill is very important in the minds of all FL rescue people that I know of--I am in FL and very involved with rescue--and now PETA is saying this will enable places like Caboodle to pull animals from shelters. So now all sorts of people who are not involved in rescue and have no familiarity with the bill probably think it is horrible and will be speaking out against it (there was a link to contact FL legislators), at the time when it needs all the support it can get. On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 8:31 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: I agree. PETA does not have too good a record themselves. This man simply got in over his head and did not know how to solve the problem. I also agree about those who tortue. There was a man in the St. Louis area who adopted puppies and kittens and then trtured them to death. He kept them alive as long as possible so he could enjoy their sufering. If I had my way, this man would have been shot on site. I was called for jury duty on an animal cruelty case. They asked me if I had an opinion on the case. I said shot the sob. They didn't call me for that jury. GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote: When I first saw a video about this ranch a few years ago, I wondered how anyone could possible keep track of and care for so many cats, especially when there's absolutely no control over them, in all those little houses (no matter how cute they are), no central feeding place, etc. I am not really surprised! However, the fact that PETA is involved, worries me a bit..for several reasons. Natalie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 11:51 AM To: FeLV Talk Subject: [Felvtalk] Link to Story about Caboodle Ranch Rescue Effort http://northeastcobb.patch.com/articles/good-mews-assists-aspca-in-rescue-of -600-cats#photo-9221699 Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter!Image removed by sender. www.Furkids.org http://www.furkids.org/ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Caboodle Ranch
You came to that conclusion only because it is usually the case under such circumstances; Craig is different, he's just a creepy, old, despicable, and selfish son-of-a-gun! That was my first thought, too, because on videos that I've seen before, the place looked immaculate and the cats appeared healthy (that must have been the first day!) and then things went steadily downhill, or, more likely, at an accelerated pace. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 9:29 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Caboodle Ranch It appears I was certainly wrong to assume Craig Grant just couldn't turn down a homeless cat. It was money for his own enjoyment that he couldn't turn down! This is really shocking. Lorrie On 03-02, C PQ wrote: FYI: Here's another perspective on the situation: From: X [name removed] Sent: Tuesday,February 28, 2012 3:51 PM Subject: Craig Grant, Director of Caboodle Ranch The below info isfound at this link: https://www.facebook.com/caboodleranch.savethekitties Yesterday, when I heard of the investigation and rescue intervention at Caboodle Ranch, my first thought was that Craig Grant was just another compassionate fool who got in over his head because he couldn't turn away a cat with nowhere to go. The below information has changed my perception of him. No decent individual would let animals in his custody go without needed medical care, food and clean living conditions while making frivolous expenditures on himself from 501.3c funds that should have been spent on the cats. Financial Fraud For an overview of embezzlement and financial fraud click here here. Records obtained through the court indicate that operator, Craig Grant, is embezzling corporate funds (donations) for personal use. There are numerous transactions on their 501(c) not-for-profit account for transactions such as: airline flights, trip to Vegas, tickets to Daytona 500, hotels, online clothing orders, online magazine orders, gifts, etc. The list goes on and on. Craig admitted in court records that he does not routinely record cash donations. It's been reported that Craig has used cash to take people out to eat. In interviews Craig Grant has stated he gets a $1000/month personal salary. Therefore, any personal expenses should be paid for out of HIS salary. It is unlawful for any transactions for personal use to come out of a not-for-profit corporate account. All donations/income MUST be used for the care of cats. The IRS andAttorney General have been notified. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Link to Story about Caboodle Ranch Rescue Effort
I've seen a lot about the NY quick kill bill, Christiane--it is horrible, so many pets may be euthanized on intake before anyone has a chance to look for them.The rest of the country (well, some of it) is moving toward recognizing TNR and feral freedom, but this bill will put NY in reverse. It is very sad. On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 12:04 PM, Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.comwrote: Most of the time these big raids end up in the lap of the local rescues/shelters. Usually the big orgs like PETA, HSUS, ASPCA provide transportation to various rescues shelters who then have responsibility for the animals. ** ** As far as the law referred to would only require that no animal in a shelter would be euthanized if a legitimate rescue is willing to take it. http://www.floridarescueact.com/ While local rescues are universally advocating for this bill, the big organizations are all against it. In NY, my home state, ASPCA has spent millions pushing the “quick kill” bill which would, among other things, allow shelters to immediately kill any animal they deem to be under “psychological pain” ** ** *From:* felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *Beth *Sent:* Friday, March 02, 2012 11:39 AM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Link to Story about Caboodle Ranch Rescue Effort ** ** PETA definitely does questionable things. What exactly does the bill do?** ** I am glad that a very reputable Georgia rescue - Good Mews, is helping out with this. Unfortunately if they take animals it means more animals in GA will die. Lose-lose situation. ** ** Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org http://www.furkids.org/* *** ** ** -- *From:* Heather furrygi...@gmail.com *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Friday, March 2, 2012 11:13 AM *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Link to Story about Caboodle Ranch Rescue Effort ** ** What is upsetting to me as well about PETA's involvement, is that they sent out an email about Caboodle, then at the end used the situation to call for withdrawl of the proposed FL Animal Rescue Act. This bill is very important in the minds of all FL rescue people that I know of--I am in FL and very involved with rescue--and now PETA is saying this will enable places like Caboodle to pull animals from shelters. So now all sorts of people who are not involved in rescue and have no familiarity with the bill probably think it is horrible and will be speaking out against it (there was a link to contact FL legislators), at the time when it needs all the support it can get. On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 8:31 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: I agree. PETA does not have too good a record themselves. This man simply got in over his head and did not know how to solve the problem. I also agree about those who tortue. There was a man in the St. Louis area who adopted puppies and kittens and then trtured them to death. He kept them alive as long as possible so he could enjoy their sufering. If I had my way, this man would have been shot on site. I was called for jury duty on an animal cruelty case. They asked me if I had an opinion on the case. I said shot the sob. They didn't call me for that jury. GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote: When I first saw a video about this ranch a few years ago, I wondered how anyone could possible keep track of and care for so many cats, especially when there's absolutely no control over them, in all those little houses (no matter how cute they are), no central feeding place, etc. I am not really surprised! However, the fact that PETA is involved, worries me a bit..for several reasons. Natalie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 11:51 AM To: FeLV Talk Subject: [Felvtalk] Link to Story about Caboodle Ranch Rescue Effort http://northeastcobb.patch.com/articles/good-mews-assists-aspca-in-rescue-of -600-cats#photo-9221699 Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter!Image removed by sender. www.Furkids.orghttp://www.furkids.org/ http://www.furkids.org/ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ** ** ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Link to Story about Caboodle Ranch Rescue Effort
If any of my cats were ever to get out end up in a shelter, sweet docile as they are, they would so flip out that I've no doubt that they'd be immediately euthanized-not to mention my FELV+ my diabetic cat would be euthanized immediately just for their conditions. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 1:29 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Link to Story about Caboodle Ranch Rescue Effort I've seen a lot about the NY quick kill bill, Christiane--it is horrible, so many pets may be euthanized on intake before anyone has a chance to look for them.The rest of the country (well, some of it) is moving toward recognizing TNR and feral freedom, but this bill will put NY in reverse. It is very sad. On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 12:04 PM, Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.com wrote: Most of the time these big raids end up in the lap of the local rescues/shelters. Usually the big orgs like PETA, HSUS, ASPCA provide transportation to various rescues shelters who then have responsibility for the animals. As far as the law referred to would only require that no animal in a shelter would be euthanized if a legitimate rescue is willing to take it. http://www.floridarescueact.com/ While local rescues are universally advocating for this bill, the big organizations are all against it. In NY, my home state, ASPCA has spent millions pushing the quick kill bill which would, among other things, allow shelters to immediately kill any animal they deem to be under psychological pain From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 11:39 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Link to Story about Caboodle Ranch Rescue Effort PETA definitely does questionable things. What exactly does the bill do? I am glad that a very reputable Georgia rescue - Good Mews, is helping out with this. Unfortunately if they take animals it means more animals in GA will die. Lose-lose situation. Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org http://www.furkids.org/ _ From: Heather furrygi...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 11:13 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Link to Story about Caboodle Ranch Rescue Effort What is upsetting to me as well about PETA's involvement, is that they sent out an email about Caboodle, then at the end used the situation to call for withdrawl of the proposed FL Animal Rescue Act. This bill is very important in the minds of all FL rescue people that I know of--I am in FL and very involved with rescue--and now PETA is saying this will enable places like Caboodle to pull animals from shelters. So now all sorts of people who are not involved in rescue and have no familiarity with the bill probably think it is horrible and will be speaking out against it (there was a link to contact FL legislators), at the time when it needs all the support it can get. On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 8:31 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: I agree. PETA does not have too good a record themselves. This man simply got in over his head and did not know how to solve the problem. I also agree about those who tortue. There was a man in the St. Louis area who adopted puppies and kittens and then trtured them to death. He kept them alive as long as possible so he could enjoy their sufering. If I had my way, this man would have been shot on site. I was called for jury duty on an animal cruelty case. They asked me if I had an opinion on the case. I said shot the sob. They didn't call me for that jury. GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote: When I first saw a video about this ranch a few years ago, I wondered how anyone could possible keep track of and care for so many cats, especially when there's absolutely no control over them, in all those little houses (no matter how cute they are), no central feeding place, etc. I am not really surprised! However, the fact that PETA is involved, worries me a bit..for several reasons. Natalie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 11:51 AM To: FeLV Talk Subject: [Felvtalk] Link to Story about Caboodle Ranch Rescue Effort http://northeastcobb.patch.com/articles/good-mews-assists-aspca-in-rescue-of -600-cats#photo-9221699 Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter!Image removed by sender. www.Furkids.org http://www.furkids.org/ http://www.furkids.org/ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
