Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations
Almost all of you have suggested I not get the FVRCP vaccinations. so I won't. These kittens are indoors only and have no contact with AC. My rescues usually come from local people who dump them at my rescue shelter. Thanks so much to everyone who posted. Lorrie On 10-07, Beth wrote: Mine were not symptomatic at the time they got the FVRCP. They became symptomatic immediately afterward. If there is a huge risk of getting panleukopenis (sp?) You might want to take the risk - if you rescue a lot from AC. Otherwise it is another thing for their immune system to deal with. I don't give any of my cats FVRCP vax anymore since I stopped fostering except for the FeLVs. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Hartz
I am sorry you lost your kitty in this senseless way. I never buy anything Hartz. Diane R. -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2012 6:54 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hartz On 10-05, Lee Evans wrote: PLEASE, whatever you do, don't buy Hartz products. They are a company that doesn't care if animals die from their terrible flea and tick products or are paralyzed for life. Thanks for bringing this up, Lee. I learned the hard way and used Hartz flea stuff for cats on one of my rescues, and he died in days from liver failure. I am appalled that this company is allowed to sell their stuff. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Hartz
I know this sounds minor, but their cat litter ( I bought it in my small town because I'm 30 miles from a Walmart, and was in desperate need), anyway, their cat litter could cause emphysema in the cats that use it and the owners that scoop it! I was appalled and promptly sent them an email letting them know it. THEY SUCK! Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Oct 7, 2012, at 6:54 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: On 10-05, Lee Evans wrote: PLEASE, whatever you do, don't buy Hartz products. They are a company that doesn't care if animals die from their terrible flea and tick products or are paralyzed for life. Thanks for bringing this up, Lee. I learned the hard way and used Hartz flea stuff for cats on one of my rescues, and he died in days from liver failure. I am appalled that this company is allowed to sell their stuff. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Hartz
Too bad their FB page doesn't allow comments. On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 5:11 AM, Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.comwrote: I know this sounds minor, but their cat litter ( I bought it in my small town because I'm 30 miles from a Walmart, and was in desperate need), anyway, their cat litter could cause emphysema in the cats that use it and the owners that scoop it! I was appalled and promptly sent them an email letting them know it. THEY SUCK! Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Oct 7, 2012, at 6:54 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: On 10-05, Lee Evans wrote: PLEASE, whatever you do, don't buy Hartz products. They are a company that doesn't care if animals die from their terrible flea and tick products or are paralyzed for life. Thanks for bringing this up, Lee. I learned the hard way and used Hartz flea stuff for cats on one of my rescues, and he died in days from liver failure. I am appalled that this company is allowed to sell their stuff. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Go Get a Life---Go Get a Shelter Animal! If you can't adopt, then foster bottle baby shelter animal, to save their life. Contact your local pound for information. http://www.laanimalservices.com/volunteer_fostercare.htm If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and to free up cage space. Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by implementing the No Kill Equation: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/no-kill-equation/http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/ Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities: http://www.nokillhouston.org/no-kill-shelters-in-north-america/ Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org More fun reading: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/ More fun watching: http://vimeo.com/nokill/videos especially http://vimeo.com/48445902 Local feral cat crisis? See Alley Cat Allies' for how to respond: http://www.alleycat.org/page.aspx?pid=537 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Hartz
I'm so sorry for the senseless loss of your beloved fur-kid! I will share this info among family and friends. I hope Hartz goes out of business! Anyone know of any law suits? Glad I do not have any Hartz products in my home!! Lynda -Original Message- From: Diane Rosenfeldt Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 6:57 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hartz I am sorry you lost your kitty in this senseless way. I never buy anything Hartz. Diane R. -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2012 6:54 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hartz On 10-05, Lee Evans wrote: PLEASE, whatever you do, don't buy Hartz products. They are a company that doesn't care if animals die from their terrible flea and tick products or are paralyzed for life. Thanks for bringing this up, Lee. I learned the hard way and used Hartz flea stuff for cats on one of my rescues, and he died in days from liver failure. I am appalled that this company is allowed to sell their stuff. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again/back to Leukemia list
I've always directed people to this list, but if the first thing they see when they look at the archives is talk about politics hunting they may just turn away. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: GRAS g...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, October 7, 2012 1:11 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again/back to Leukemia list As someone posted already, as soon as someone needs advice, the off topic will change immediately. This happens during a lull – we haven’t had any serious issues for a while!, which is good. Then your problem came along, and I saw quite a few replies from several people; if you feel it wasn’t enough, ask again, what specific concerns or explanations you require after the advice was given. Yes, FeLV is super serious, and this is exactly where you can get help. From:Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of janine paton Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 10:16 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again/back to Leukemia list I am surprised this list got so off topic. A few years ago, this wouldn't be allowed to happen. I have very strong political opinions, and very strong opinions about hunting, but what I rejoined this list for was only to understand how to deal with 9 kittens from a few different litters in same colony, where one tested positive and I think I got one, maybe two answers. I guess it's OK to talk about other things, if a newcomer feels like he or she has been listened to, but I did not. For me, 9 kittens are a lot of kittens to worry about even with past LK experience. So I don't really see how a total newcomer would have been helped by this list over the last week or two whatsoever. Leukemia is scary, and this list should be an opportunity to educate. I don't feel comfortable sending people to this list if they are ignored. Would rather stick to common sense, out of the box, how to help and what to expect. It's shame to loose this resource. My 2 cents. Janine From:Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sat, October 6, 2012 7:30:29 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again That’s what my vet gives me – Cyproheptadine (Periactin) – ¼ pill does a good job. From:Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee Evans Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 9:16 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again Another brain cell woke up and reminded me that there's also an antihistamine called Ciproheptadine. I'm thinking that this is the one they use as an appetite stimulant. I just Googled it and sure enough, this is the one. If you want more information on getting your cat to eat go to the following Website: Tanya's Comprehensive Guide to Feline Chronic Kidney Disease. The URL is: www.crf.org/persuading_cat_to_eat.htm There are some other hints on getting an anorexic cat to chow down also. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From:Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 5:23 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again I have been trying that, she eats just a smidge and then turns away :( Thank you :) Poor thing is just wasting away and I feel so helpless :( Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 17:58:20 -0400 From: ti...@mindspring.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again You can try gerber stage2 baby food...the meat kind (ham, beef, turkey, etc). Not all thw nutrition a cat needs but it gets them something. Christiane Biagi Sent from my Samsung Epic™ 4G ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] SuzieQ
We have tried everything and nothing is working, she is not eating at all anymore and I believe she is ready to go. She looks outside and in my heart I know she just wants to run free so we will let her go tonight. It hurts to feel like we let her down and what if we would have left her outside to run and play and just be a kitty? Bringing them inside can be a double edged sword, they get love and warmth and food but they seem to always long for the days that they were outside and free :( Edna ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] SuzieQ
I'm so sorry Edna. When one of my girls was near the end I would take her out in the front yard with me sit in the grass let her watch the birds. I don't know if that is an option for you, but it think it helped me made her a little happier in the end. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 8, 2012 10:24 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] SuzieQ We have tried everything and nothing is working, she is not eating at all anymore and I believe she is ready to go. She looks outside and in my heart I know she just wants to run free so we will let her go tonight. It hurts to feel like we let her down and what if we would have left her outside to run and play and just be a kitty? Bringing them inside can be a double edged sword, they get love and warmth and food but they seem to always long for the days that they were outside and free :( Edna ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Off Topic, but for cats! University of Wisconsin: Stop Experimenting On Cats |
Two worthy petitions to sign Please sign the petition asking University of Wisconsin to stop all experiments on cats and ask the NIH to stop funding this cruelty everywhere it takes place. http://www.change.org/petitions/university-of-wisconsin-stop-experimenting- on-cats http://www.change.org/petitions/university-of-wisconsin-stop-experimenting-o n-cats Another link you may find interesting: http://www.change.org/petitions/stop-dissection-of-cats-by-15-year-old-palm -beach-county-students http://www.change.org/petitions/stop-dissection-of-cats-by-15-year-old-palm- beach-county-students http://thetalesofawriter.wordpress.com/2012/09/24/university-of-wisconsin-st op-experimenting-on-cats/ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Hartz
Hartz products have caused more death in animals than any others…convulsions, seizures, liver damage, you name it. Why their products aren’t banned really is amazing! Liter, especially clumping litter, should be banned – I have tons of info on it, how a company responded to a concerned cat owner, “Buyer beware”. I discourage all my adopters from using it. Sodium bentonite is fatal to cats if they inhale it, eat it, inadvertently when cleaning themselves – or kittens, while playing. People always seem to think that if something is expensive, it must be the best – and they want the best for their cats! Hartz litter is pretty disgusting, too! Natalie From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kathryn Hargreaves Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 9:31 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hartz Too bad their FB page doesn't allow comments. On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 5:11 AM, Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: I know this sounds minor, but their cat litter ( I bought it in my small town because I'm 30 miles from a Walmart, and was in desperate need), anyway, their cat litter could cause emphysema in the cats that use it and the owners that scoop it! I was appalled and promptly sent them an email letting them know it. THEY SUCK! Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Oct 7, 2012, at 6:54 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: On 10-05, Lee Evans wrote: PLEASE, whatever you do, don't buy Hartz products. They are a company that doesn't care if animals die from their terrible flea and tick products or are paralyzed for life. Thanks for bringing this up, Lee. I learned the hard way and used Hartz flea stuff for cats on one of my rescues, and he died in days from liver failure. I am appalled that this company is allowed to sell their stuff. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Go Get a Life---Go Get a Shelter Animal! If you can't adopt, then foster bottle baby shelter animal, to save their life. Contact your local pound for information. If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and to free up cage space. Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by implementing the No Kill Equation: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/no-kill-equation/ http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/ Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities: http://www.nokillhouston.org/no-kill-shelters-in-north-america/ Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org More fun reading: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/ More fun watching: http://vimeo.com/nokill/videos especially http://vimeo.com/48445902 Local feral cat crisis? See Alley Cat Allies' for how to respond: http://www.alleycat.org/page.aspx?pid=537 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] SuzieQ
We are going to do that tonight. I took her into the back yard this morning and we want to give her some time tonight to just smell the grass and enjoy the sunshine. Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2012 07:33:51 -0700 From: create_me_...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] SuzieQ I'm so sorry Edna. When one of my girls was near the end I would take her out in the front yard with me sit in the grass let her watch the birds. I don't know if that is an option for you, but it think it helped me made her a little happier in the end. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 8, 2012 10:24 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] SuzieQ We have tried everything and nothing is working, she is not eating at all anymore and I believe she is ready to go. She looks outside and in my heart I know she just wants to run free so we will let her go tonight. It hurts to feel like we let her down and what if we would have left her outside to run and play and just be a kitty? Bringing them inside can be a double edged sword, they get love and warmth and food but they seem to always long for the days that they were outside and free :( Edna ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] SusieQ
No worries :) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2012 02:25:22 -0700 From: cline...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] SusieQ Edna, I apologize for calling SuzieQ Sophia. Hugs to SuzieQSharyl From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 2:52 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again REALLY? Y'all think so? I don't think anyone is being mean and hateful, but then again, I tend to see the positive side of most things :) Anywho, I'll ask again DOES anyone have any advice on things I can do to make SuzieQ more comfortable in her last days. She is 2-3 years old, was diagnosed with a rapidly advancing cancer a couple of weeks ago, doctor said she was exposed to FeLuk as a kitten even though she was able to shed the virus but there is nothing we can do because the cancer has already compromised her liver, etc. Anyone have any pearls of wisdom to share ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] SuzieQ
Hugs, Edna. Never an easy decision, but you know your SuzieQ best. She will love you always. (((hugs Terri B - Original Message - From: Edna Taylormailto:taylore...@msn.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 10:54 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] SuzieQ We are going to do that tonight. I took her into the back yard this morning and we want to give her some time tonight to just smell the grass and enjoy the sunshine. -- Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2012 07:33:51 -0700 From: create_me_...@yahoo.commailto:create_me_...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] SuzieQ I'm so sorry Edna. When one of my girls was near the end I would take her out in the front yard with me sit in the grass let her watch the birds. I don't know if that is an option for you, but it think it helped me made her a little happier in the end. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.orghttp://www.furkids.org/ -- From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 8, 2012 10:24 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] SuzieQ We have tried everything and nothing is working, she is not eating at all anymore and I believe she is ready to go. She looks outside and in my heart I know she just wants to run free so we will let her go tonight. It hurts to feel like we let her down and what if we would have left her outside to run and play and just be a kitty? Bringing them inside can be a double edged sword, they get love and warmth and food but they seem to always long for the days that they were outside and free :( Edna ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] 9 kittens, one testing pos
Janine, you wrote that some of their moms tested negative. How about the positive kitten’s mom - was she pos or neg? I would retest with the ELISA. I find it strange that a kitten would show a weak positive if the mother was positive because their kittens are positive, or should be. If the kitten’s mom is not positive, could this kittens have been exposed to a positive cat and therefore be a weak positive? What was the vet’s explanation? I don’t have much experience with FeLV – I have quite a few FIV. I had a FeLV+ kitten years ago, and he died within 2 months. Last year, I had 2 FeLV+ adult cats (already in the bone marrow), one died of CRF and the other one was adopted by a veterinarian and still doing really well. Those two FeLV+ cats were living with a large group of healthy cats for about 6 months…I have retested, starting with the youngest and oldest, and then everyone in the middle – not a single cat contracted FeLV! I consider myself quite lucky! But there are many on this list who have FeLV+ cats living with healthy ones, some vaccinate the healthy ones, and some do not. Natalie From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of janine paton Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2012 8:21 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] 9 kittens, one testing pos Can anyone explain to me why if from point of exposure to actually testing pos is 28 days, if this is correct, why we can't just retest in one month using Elisa? And if all excepting the one testing weak pos, stjill test neg, is this good enough? All 8 kittens and some of their moms tested neg, just the one a weak pos. I am asking because I am trying to make this make sense to me and keep everyone safe. And foster homes understanding. Thanks, Janine _ From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Fri, October 5, 2012 8:52:00 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject) I agree, they have been very civil! Natalie From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Diane Rosenfeldt Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 8:23 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject) Thanks, Lee, I was about to say that I have never seen anyone not get responded to on this list in their time of need and emotional turmoil. Going offtopic is almost inevitable when you’re on a specialized list like this. I think the OT discussion has been amazingly civil and respectful. As it happens, I will be voting Democrat because I feel they are in touch with, and care about, the people that the Republicans have referred to as the 47% they’re not interested in reaching. My reasons have to do with the way the most vulnerable among us would be treated under each party. I feel people like most of us, who are sort of getting by or not quite getting by or getting by only because we get a pension or disability or whatever, need people in government who are interested in reaching us. Diane R. From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee Evans Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 2:54 PM To: felvtalk Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject) In the middle of our chit-chat about politics and hunters and vegetarian diets, if someone had come in with the subject line: Cat Bitten by Cobra, we would have been off the chatty stuff in an instant and onto Google to look up what could be done for the cat while the caregiver was taking him to the vet emergency clinic. So if we wander around the hospital isles occasionally when everyone is asleep and babble a bit, don't worry. We can switch in a moment. I actually did switch when I saw how agonized you were and posted about vets treating FeLv cats differently from non-FeLv cats to get us back on topic. But occasionally on every specialized list I have been on there is a subject with OT listed and then it's either a funny article copied from a magazine or other online source or some cute pictures of cats doing silly things, or even a heated political discussion about who will be President and how it would effect our ability to financially keep our heads above water and still feed our rescues and take our cats to the vet when needed. It really does tie into the FeLv+ cat group because we are very money intensive in trying to keep our rescued special needs cats as healthy as can be for as long as can be. If I lose my Social Security and Medicare benefits or they are reduced, I would have to cut down on food for myself and air conditioning in the summer and heat in the winter to pay my mortgage on this house that I bought to keep my cats safe from being seized by Animal Control in a city where there are cat limits. Even though I still work and have an online job, I would be in dire straits. So it is very important to my cats who I vote for. And since I live in a rural area, hunting becomes a problem for me also. If the NRA
Re: [Felvtalk] SuzieQ
Thank you Terri. Edna From: siggies...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2012 10:56:39 -0400 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] SuzieQ Hugs, Edna. Never an easy decision, but you know your SuzieQ best. She will love you always. (((hugs Terri B - Original Message - From: Edna Taylor To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 10:54 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] SuzieQ We are going to do that tonight. I took her into the back yard this morning and we want to give her some time tonight to just smell the grass and enjoy the sunshine. Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2012 07:33:51 -0700 From: create_me_...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] SuzieQ I'm so sorry Edna. When one of my girls was near the end I would take her out in the front yard with me sit in the grass let her watch the birds. I don't know if that is an option for you, but it think it helped me made her a little happier in the end. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 8, 2012 10:24 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] SuzieQ We have tried everything and nothing is working, she is not eating at all anymore and I believe she is ready to go. She looks outside and in my heart I know she just wants to run free so we will let her go tonight. It hurts to feel like we let her down and what if we would have left her outside to run and play and just be a kitty? Bringing them inside can be a double edged sword, they get love and warmth and food but they seem to always long for the days that they were outside and free :( Edna ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] FW: Asking for advice again/back to Leukemia list
I have never looked at archives, so why would a person who just joined do that when they ask a question or present their problem to the group? I really don’t see a problem here. From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 10:19 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again/back to Leukemia list I've always directed people to this list, but if the first thing they see when they look at the archives is talk about politics hunting they may just turn away. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter!Image removed by sender. www.Furkids.org http://www.furkids.org/ _ From: GRAS g...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, October 7, 2012 1:11 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again/back to Leukemia list As someone posted already, as soon as someone needs advice, the off topic will change immediately. This happens during a lull – we haven’t had any serious issues for a while!, which is good. Then your problem came along, and I saw quite a few replies from several people; if you feel it wasn’t enough, ask again, what specific concerns or explanations you require after the advice was given. Yes, FeLV is super serious, and this is exactly where you can get help. attachment: ~WRD257.jpg___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] SuzieQ
No, Edna, you did the right by taking her in! Strangely, I have never had a cat who longed to be outside - they never try to sneak out! But, we have nice outdoor runs for them, maybe that's their chance to get nose-to-nose with some wildlife who always seem to be either performing or teasing the cats! I am so sorry she's not doing well! She probably is ready to go - I feel that once the light has gone out of their eyes, let them go. Natalie From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Edna Taylor Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 10:25 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] SuzieQ We have tried everything and nothing is working, she is not eating at all anymore and I believe she is ready to go. She looks outside and in my heart I know she just wants to run free so we will let her go tonight. It hurts to feel like we let her down and what if we would have left her outside to run and play and just be a kitty? Bringing them inside can be a double edged sword, they get love and warmth and food but they seem to always long for the days that they were outside and free :( Edna ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] SuzieQ
My heart goes out to you, please be brave and know that you have done the best you could ! Sent from my iPhone. On Oct 8, 2012, at 11:12, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: No, Edna, you did the right by taking her in! Strangely, I have never had a cat who longed to be outside – they never try to sneak out! But, we have nice outdoor runs for them, maybe that’s their chance to get nose-to-nose with some wildlife who always seem to be either performing or teasing the cats! I am so sorry she’s not doing well! She probably is ready to go – I feel that once the light has gone out of their eyes, let them go. Natalie From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Edna Taylor Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 10:25 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] SuzieQ We have tried everything and nothing is working, she is not eating at all anymore and I believe she is ready to go. She looks outside and in my heart I know she just wants to run free so we will let her go tonight. It hurts to feel like we let her down and what if we would have left her outside to run and play and just be a kitty? Bringing them inside can be a double edged sword, they get love and warmth and food but they seem to always long for the days that they were outside and free :( Edna ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] SuzieQ
That is exactly what happened Natalie, the light has gone out of her eyes :( Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2012 11:12:33 -0400 From: at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] SuzieQ No, Edna, you did the right by taking her in!Strangely, I have never had a cat who longed to be outside – they never try to sneak out! But, we have nice outdoor runs for them, maybe that’s their chance to get nose-to-nose with some wildlife who always seem to be either performing or teasing the cats!I am so sorry she’s not doing well! She probably is ready to go – I feel that once the light has gone out of their eyes, let them go.Natalie From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Edna Taylor Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 10:25 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] SuzieQ We have tried everything and nothing is working, she is not eating at all anymore and I believe she is ready to go. She looks outside and in my heart I know she just wants to run free so we will let her go tonight. It hurts to feel like we let her down and what if we would have left her outside to run and play and just be a kitty? Bringing them inside can be a double edged sword, they get love and warmth and food but they seem to always long for the days that they were outside and free :( Edna ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] SuzieQ
Thank you CC: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org From: ava...@gmail.com Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2012 11:25:11 -0400 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] SuzieQ My heart goes out to you, please be brave and know that you have done the best you could ! Sent from my iPhone. On Oct 8, 2012, at 11:12, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: No, Edna, you did the right by taking her in!Strangely, I have never had a cat who longed to be outside – they never try to sneak out! But, we have nice outdoor runs for them, maybe that’s their chance to get nose-to-nose with some wildlife who always seem to be either performing or teasing the cats!I am so sorry she’s not doing well! She probably is ready to go – I feel that once the light has gone out of their eyes, let them go.Natalie From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Edna Taylor Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 10:25 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] SuzieQ We have tried everything and nothing is working, she is not eating at all anymore and I believe she is ready to go. She looks outside and in my heart I know she just wants to run free so we will let her go tonight. It hurts to feel like we let her down and what if we would have left her outside to run and play and just be a kitty? Bringing them inside can be a double edged sword, they get love and warmth and food but they seem to always long for the days that they were outside and free :( Edna___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FW: OT on list
I direct people to the website, not the talk list. You can search the archives for info on specific treatments, etc. It's what I do if I want to find info on something previously posted.BethDon't Litter, Fix Your Critter!www.Furkids.org From: GRAS g...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 8, 2012 11:08 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: Asking for advice again/back to Leukemia list I have never looked at archives, so why would a person who just joined do that when they ask a question or present their problem to the group?I really don’t see a problem here.From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of BethSent: Monday, October 08, 2012 10:19 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again/back to Leukemia list I've always directed people to this list, but if the first thing they see when they look at the archives is talk about politics hunting they may just turn away. BethDon't Litter, Fix Your Critter!www.Furkids.org From: GRAS g...@optonline.netTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, October 7, 2012 1:11 PMSubject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again/back to Leukemia list As someone posted already, as soon as someone needs advice, the off topic will change immediately. This happens during a lull – we haven’t had any serious issues for a while!, which is good. Then your problem came along, and I saw quite a few replies from several people; if you feel it wasn’t enough, ask again, what specific concerns or explanations you require after the advice was given.Yes, FeLV is super serious, and this is exactly where you can get help. ___Felvtalk mailing listFelvtalk@felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] SuzieQ
I have a 16 year old FIV cat left behind when a neighbor go put in a nursing home. The cat lived outside his entire life. He was feral as could be when I took him in. He is now a snuggly lap cat has no interest in outside other than sitting on the porch looking out the window. Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 8, 2012 11:12 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] SuzieQ No, Edna, you did the right by taking her in! Strangely, I have never had a cat who longed to be outside – they never try to sneak out! But, we have nice outdoor runs for them, maybe that’s their chance to get nose-to-nose with some wildlife who always seem to be either performing or teasing the cats! I am so sorry she’s not doing well! She probably is ready to go – I feel that once the light has gone out of their eyes, let them go. Natalie From:Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Edna Taylor Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 10:25 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] SuzieQ We have tried everything and nothing is working, she is not eating at all anymore and I believe she is ready to go. She looks outside and in my heart I know she just wants to run free so we will let her go tonight. It hurts to feel like we let her down and what if we would have left her outside to run and play and just be a kitty? Bringing them inside can be a double edged sword, they get love and warmth and food but they seem to always long for the days that they were outside and free :( Edna ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Nematodes source
Fleabusters They sell nematodes for spraying outside, and also interior products that are safer than the toxic chemicals! http://www.fleabuster.com/Products/Biobusters/nematodes.html Natalie Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2012 10:58 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Nematodes Do a search on Amazon for nematodes for fleas and you'll find several Sharyl From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, October 7, 2012 8:03 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Nematodes Since we live in a safe area with no traffic all my cats go outside except for 3 who never even try. I work hard to keep the fleas down, and use Advantage, flea comb, and flea traps in every room, but I never heard of nematodes. Where do I get them? Lorrie On 10-06, GRAS wrote: All around the house on the grass and under their outdoor enclosures. Do you use nematodes inside your house? I thought they are just for the yard, need soil and water to do their thing. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Asking for advice again/back to Leukemia list
I just went to the website for the first time. Mail Archives is 5th down the list. The other links take anyone interested to Treatments, FAQ's, FeLv Links and the mailing list. Why would anyone needing information on the disease pass up all these opportunities and go to Mail Archives? In addition, the main section of the home page is devoted to Treatments! It's too bad that discussions of politics annoy some people but you can't put one issue into a bubble and not expect that world and local events won't impact it. Politics these days impacts our very existence since it includes our personal finances, whether our children and grandchildren will be sent to foreign countries to fight wars against people they have never even met and die or be injured and handicapped for the rest of their lives. It impacts whether we have personal resources to care for our companion animals, whether they are feline, canine or some other species. It impacts whether we will have a place to live where our cats and dogs are accepted as part of our family. Even as personal a topic as religion impacts us. You have to remember that cats have been associated with women for centuries and women have been suspected of being witches by some major religions. Therefore, cats and women have been killed by being tossed into flames and burned to death, tossed into rivers and drowned, because some religions believe that cats and women are in league with the devil. Most religions, up to a decade ago refused to believe that animals have souls. Most still don't believe that cows, sheep, pigs and other animals have souls. I have no idea on what authority they come to this conclusion but it endangers our companion animals and turns them and their brothers and sisters of other species into food, decoration, sport and entertainment items and clothing because they are viewed as products that happen to be animated and able to move from place to place on their own, instead of living beings having the same Life Force as we have.Most topics we discuss here, INCLUDING Politics and Religion are not OFF TOPIC but are on topics that seem to anger those who have not come to grips with their own beliefs and probably have not done enough research to have a firm conviction in their own beliefs. Trust that if someone from the outside comes onto this list and needs information on all the health issues concerning FeLv+ cats, they will get more information and answers than they ever expected.Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too!From: GRAS g...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 8, 2012 10:08 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: Asking for advice again/back to Leukemia list I have never looked at archives, so why would a person who just joined do that when they ask a question or present their problem to the group?I really don’t see a problem here.From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of BethSent: Monday, October 08, 2012 10:19 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again/back to Leukemia list I've always directed people to this list, but if the first thing they see when they look at the archives is talk about politics hunting they may just turn away. BethDon't Litter, Fix Your Critter!www.Furkids.org From: GRAS g...@optonline.netTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, October 7, 2012 1:11 PMSubject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again/back to Leukemia list As someone posted already, as soon as someone needs advice, the off topic will change immediately. This happens during a lull – we haven’t had any serious issues for a while!, which is good. Then your problem came along, and I saw quite a few replies from several people; if you feel it wasn’t enough, ask again, what specific concerns or explanations you require after the advice was given.Yes, FeLV is super serious, and this is exactly where you can get help. ___Felvtalk mailing listFelvtalk@felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Asking for advice again/back to Leukemia list
Wow... Thanks, but I have come to grips with my own beliefs I have done enough research to have a firm conviction of my own beliefs I just don't feel the need to discuss them in a forum which is supposed to be support for people with FeLV cats Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 8, 2012 1:14 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Asking for advice again/back to Leukemia list I just went to the website for the first time. Mail Archives is 5th down the list. The other links take anyone interested to Treatments, FAQ's, FeLv Links and the mailing list. Why would anyone needing information on the disease pass up all these opportunities and go to Mail Archives? In addition, the main section of the home page is devoted to Treatments! It's too bad that discussions of politics annoy some people but you can't put one issue into a bubble and not expect that world and local events won't impact it. Politics these days impacts our very existence since it includes our personal finances, whether our children and grandchildren will be sent to foreign countries to fight wars against people they have never even met and die or be injured and handicapped for the rest of their lives. It impacts whether we have personal resources to care for our companion animals, whether they are feline, canine or some other species. It impacts whether we will have a place to live where our cats and dogs are accepted as part of our family. Even as personal a topic as religion impacts us. You have to remember that cats have been associated with women for centuries and women have been suspected of being witches by some major religions. Therefore, cats and women have been killed by being tossed into flames and burned to death, tossed into rivers and drowned, because some religions believe that cats and women are in league with the devil. Most religions, up to a decade ago refused to believe that animals have souls. Most still don't believe that cows, sheep, pigs and other animals have souls. I have no idea on what authority they come to this conclusion but it endangers our companion animals and turns them and their brothers and sisters of other species into food, decoration, sport and entertainment items and clothing because they are viewed as products that happen to be animated and able to move from place to place on their own, instead of living beings having the same Life Force as we have. Most topics we discuss here, INCLUDING Politics and Religion are not OFF TOPIC but are on topics that seem to anger those who have not come to grips with their own beliefs and probably have not done enough research to have a firm conviction in their own beliefs. Trust that if someone from the outside comes onto this list and needs information on all the health issues concerning FeLv+ cats, they will get more information and answers than they ever expected. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! attachment: ~WRD257.jpg___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] SuzieQ
Edna, I'm so sorry about Suzie Q. I do like Beth does and take a dying cat outside when the end is near, and sometimes after they've been PTS I sit outside with them before they are buried. It's SO sad to lose a cat. Just like losing a family member. Lorrie On 10-08, Beth wrote: I'm so sorry Edna. When one of my girls was near the end I would take her out in the front yard with me sit in the grass let her watch the birds. I don't know if that is an option for you, but it think it helped me made her a little happier in the end. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! [21.gif] [1]www.Furkids.org __ From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 8, 2012 10:24 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] SuzieQ We have tried everything and nothing is working, she is not eating at all anymore and I believe she is ready to go. She looks outside and in my heart I know she just wants to run free so we will let her go tonight. It hurts to feel like we let her down and what if we would have left her outside to run and play and just be a kitty? Bringing them inside can be a double edged sword, they get love and warmth and food but they seem to always long for the days that they were outside and free :( Edna ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Hartz
On 10-08, Lynda Wilson wrote: I'm so sorry for the senseless loss of your beloved fur-kid! I will share this info among family and friends. I hope Hartz goes out of business! Anyone know of any law suits? Lynda I believe there is a website telling of Hartz victim. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter
I use scoopable litter, but I use the dust free kind. Some scoopable litter is so dusty clouds of it billow up and this is obviously bad stuff. I never use any scoopinig litter with small kittens, but with as many grown cats as I have (total 24) I use very large litter boxes and I simply can't lift them (to dump) when they are filled with the clay litter. I have painful arthritis and I'm ancient... almost 80. I'd really like to hear from others on the list about who uses clay litter and who uses scoopable. Fresh Step and Tidy Cat scoopable don't seem to have any dust at all, but it's scary to think scoopable litter is so bad. Lorrie On 10-08, Natalie wrote: Liter, especially clumping litter, should be banned - I have tons of info on it, how a company responded to a concerned cat owner, Buyer beware. I discourage all my adopters from using it. Sodium bentonite is fatal to cats if they inhale it, eat it, inadvertently when cleaning themselves - or kittens, while playing. People always seem to think that if something is expensive, it must be the best - and they want the best for their cats! Hartz litter is pretty disgusting, too! Natalie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter
I really like the Worlds best cat litter, it's not only flushable but doesn't have that dust either. 15 lb bag lasts me about 3 weeks or so with 2 cats. From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 8, 2012 4:31 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter I use scoopable litter, but I use the dust free kind. Some scoopable litter is so dusty clouds of it billow up and this is obviously bad stuff. I never use any scoopinig litter with small kittens, but with as many grown cats as I have (total 24) I use very large litter boxes and I simply can't lift them (to dump) when they are filled with the clay litter. I have painful arthritis and I'm ancient... almost 80. I'd really like to hear from others on the list about who uses clay litter and who uses scoopable. Fresh Step and Tidy Cat scoopable don't seem to have any dust at all, but it's scary to think scoopable litter is so bad. Lorrie On 10-08, Natalie wrote: Liter, especially clumping litter, should be banned - I have tons of info on it, how a company responded to a concerned cat owner, Buyer beware. I discourage all my adopters from using it. Sodium bentonite is fatal to cats if they inhale it, eat it, inadvertently when cleaning themselves - or kittens, while playing. People always seem to think that if something is expensive, it must be the best - and they want the best for their cats! Hartz litter is pretty disgusting, too! Natalie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter
We use Tidy Cat scoopable litter and have ever since we got Momma Kat 17+ years ago. We scoop twice a day, everyday and extra if someone drops a bomb. While Tidy Cat does track worse than others, it does not have the dust that the others have. So far, I don't think we have had any issues from it and I am sure the kitties like having a cleaner smelling box. We have tried the wheat stuff, and the pine (OMG, that stinks to high heaven) and some other things but always go back to scoopable. Unfortunately, when you have high numbers you have to use something that keeps your house from smelling like one giant poop. Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2012 16:31:24 -0400 From: felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter I use scoopable litter, but I use the dust free kind. Some scoopable litter is so dusty clouds of it billow up and this is obviously bad stuff. I never use any scoopinig litter with small kittens, but with as many grown cats as I have (total 24) I use very large litter boxes and I simply can't lift them (to dump) when they are filled with the clay litter. I have painful arthritis and I'm ancient... almost 80. I'd really like to hear from others on the list about who uses clay litter and who uses scoopable. Fresh Step and Tidy Cat scoopable don't seem to have any dust at all, but it's scary to think scoopable litter is so bad. Lorrie On 10-08, Natalie wrote: Liter, especially clumping litter, should be banned - I have tons of info on it, how a company responded to a concerned cat owner, Buyer beware. I discourage all my adopters from using it. Sodium bentonite is fatal to cats if they inhale it, eat it, inadvertently when cleaning themselves - or kittens, while playing. People always seem to think that if something is expensive, it must be the best - and they want the best for their cats! Hartz litter is pretty disgusting, too! Natalie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter
I have 40 cats so any cat litter expense is going to be flushing money down the drain or into the garbage. I use pine pellets which cost $6.00 for 40 lbs. at Tractor Supply. At that price my cats can poop and pee in luxury. The pine breaks down to a yellow powder though and I have to sweep it up all the time to prevent my cat room from looking like a weird beach because the cats dig and then track with their paws. Yellow, yellow everywhere. I use a light weight variable length squeegee to sweep because a broom just makes all that yellow go airborne. At least there is no initial dust up when I pour the pine and it really deodorizes the contents of the litter box unless I don't dump it often enough. I dump and wash and refill about every 3 days, scoop the poop every day. Lots of work. For this I needed a college degree? Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 8, 2012 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter I use scoopable litter, but I use the dust free kind. Some scoopable litter is so dusty clouds of it billow up and this is obviously bad stuff. I never use any scoopinig litter with small kittens, but with as many grown cats as I have (total 24) I use very large litter boxes and I simply can't lift them (to dump) when they are filled with the clay litter. I have painful arthritis and I'm ancient... almost 80. I'd really like to hear from others on the list about who uses clay litter and who uses scoopable. Fresh Step and Tidy Cat scoopable don't seem to have any dust at all, but it's scary to think scoopable litter is so bad. Lorrie On 10-08, Natalie wrote: Liter, especially clumping litter, should be banned - I have tons of info on it, how a company responded to a concerned cat owner, Buyer beware. I discourage all my adopters from using it. Sodium bentonite is fatal to cats if they inhale it, eat it, inadvertently when cleaning themselves - or kittens, while playing. People always seem to think that if something is expensive, it must be the best - and they want the best for their cats! Hartz litter is pretty disgusting, too! Natalie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter
What I would recommend when dumping and completely changing out litter is to use a plastic pitcher and scoop the litter out into another container, clean the box and then scoop it back and add fresh. Also, if I am working on something that requires me to be bent over for a period of time, I use the: 2 in 1 Large Steel-Framed Folding Garden Kneeler/Seat with Thick Foam Pad http://www.amazon.com/Large-Steel-Framed-Folding-Garden-Kneeler/dp/B004QBMZUM/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8qid=1349731118sr=8-5keywords=gardening+seat You can purchase it from amazon or from Home Depot or Lowes and it's great for kneeling on when painting baseboard because the legs act as a handle with which to push yourself back up OR you can sit on it while cleaning and/or scooping litterboxes. It is very lightweight and you can drag it around to the different boxes :) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2012 16:31:24 -0400 From: felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter I use scoopable litter, but I use the dust free kind. Some scoopable litter is so dusty clouds of it billow up and this is obviously bad stuff. I never use any scoopinig litter with small kittens, but with as many grown cats as I have (total 24) I use very large litter boxes and I simply can't lift them (to dump) when they are filled with the clay litter. I have painful arthritis and I'm ancient... almost 80. I'd really like to hear from others on the list about who uses clay litter and who uses scoopable. Fresh Step and Tidy Cat scoopable don't seem to have any dust at all, but it's scary to think scoopable litter is so bad. Lorrie On 10-08, Natalie wrote: Liter, especially clumping litter, should be banned - I have tons of info on it, how a company responded to a concerned cat owner, Buyer beware. I discourage all my adopters from using it. Sodium bentonite is fatal to cats if they inhale it, eat it, inadvertently when cleaning themselves - or kittens, while playing. People always seem to think that if something is expensive, it must be the best - and they want the best for their cats! Hartz litter is pretty disgusting, too! Natalie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter
Yep, my college degree sits behind me at my desk doing me absolutely no good whatsoever ;) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2012 14:19:58 -0700 From: moonsiste...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter I have 40 cats so any cat litter expense is going to be flushing money down the drain or into the garbage. I use pine pellets which cost $6.00 for 40 lbs. at Tractor Supply. At that price my cats can poop and pee in luxury. The pine breaks down to a yellow powder though and I have to sweep it up all the time to prevent my cat room from looking like a weird beach because the cats dig and then track with their paws. Yellow, yellow everywhere. I use a light weight variable length squeegee to sweep because a broom just makes all that yellow go airborne. At least there is no initial dust up when I pour the pine and it really deodorizes the contents of the litter box unless I don't dump it often enough. I dump and wash and refill about every 3 days, scoop the poop every day. Lots of work. For this I needed a college degree? Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 8, 2012 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter I use scoopable litter, but I use the dust free kind. Some scoopable litter is so dusty clouds of it billow up and this is obviously bad stuff. I never use any scoopinig litter with small kittens, but with as many grown cats as I have (total 24) I use very large litter boxes and I simply can't lift them (to dump) when they are filled with the clay litter. I have painful arthritis and I'm ancient... almost 80. I'd really like to hear from others on the list about who uses clay litter and who uses scoopable. Fresh Step and Tidy Cat scoopable don't seem to have any dust at all, but it's scary to think scoopable litter is so bad. Lorrie On 10-08, Natalie wrote: Liter, especially clumping litter, should be banned - I have tons of info on it, how a company responded to a concerned cat owner, Buyer beware. I discourage all my adopters from using it. Sodium bentonite is fatal to cats if they inhale it, eat it, inadvertently when cleaning themselves - or kittens, while playing. People always seem to think that if something is expensive, it must be the best - and they want the best for their cats! Hartz litter is pretty disgusting, too! Natalie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter
Definitely bending over for any length of time can be a big pain in the back. I pick up my litter boxes and place them on a plastic lawn furniture end table. It raises the box to a level where I can scoop in comfort and the cats like to sit under it and play with my pants leg. 'Stop that, stop that, no claws!! I can't easily get up from those garden kneeler seats because of really weak knees. Whoever coined the term Golden Years was probably not yet 18. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 8, 2012 4:22 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter Yep, my college degree sits behind me at my desk doing me absolutely no good whatsoever ;) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2012 14:19:58 -0700 From: moonsiste...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter I have 40 cats so any cat litter expense is going to be flushing money down the drain or into the garbage. I use pine pellets which cost $6.00 for 40 lbs. at Tractor Supply. At that price my cats can poop and pee in luxury. The pine breaks down to a yellow powder though and I have to sweep it up all the time to prevent my cat room from looking like a weird beach because the cats dig and then track with their paws. Yellow, yellow everywhere. I use a light weight variable length squeegee to sweep because a broom just makes all that yellow go airborne. At least there is no initial dust up when I pour the pine and it really deodorizes the contents of the litter box unless I don't dump it often enough. I dump and wash and refill about every 3 days, scoop the poop every day. Lots of work. For this I needed a college degree? Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 8, 2012 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter I use scoopable litter, but I use the dust free kind. Some scoopable litter is so dusty clouds of it billow up and this is obviously bad stuff. I never use any scoopinig litter with small kittens, but with as many grown cats as I have (total 24) I use very large litter boxes and I simply can't lift them (to dump) when they are filled with the clay litter. I have painful arthritis and I'm ancient... almost 80. I'd really like to hear from others on the list about who uses clay litter and who uses scoopable. Fresh Step and Tidy Cat scoopable don't seem to have any dust at all, but it's scary to think scoopable litter is so bad. Lorrie On 10-08, Natalie wrote: Liter, especially clumping litter, should be banned - I have tons of info on it, how a company responded to a concerned cat owner, Buyer beware. I discourage all my adopters from using it. Sodium bentonite is fatal to cats if they inhale it, eat it, inadvertently when cleaning themselves - or kittens, while playing. People always seem to think that if something is expensive, it must be the best - and they want the best for their cats! Hartz litter is pretty disgusting, too! Natalie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter
Ok .Litter topic...I have 60 cats . I use Cedarific...It is light weight...the pellets only breakdown when peed on.I hate clumping...So, pine trees win...Cathy Bronx N Y From: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 8, 2012 6:12 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter Definitely bending over for any length of time can be a big pain in the back. I pick up my litter boxes and place them on a plastic lawn furniture end table. It raises the box to a level where I can scoop in comfort and the cats like to sit under it and play with my pants leg. 'Stop that, stop that, no claws!! I can't easily get up from those garden kneeler seats because of really weak knees. Whoever coined the term Golden Years was probably not yet 18. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 8, 2012 4:22 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter Yep, my college degree sits behind me at my desk doing me absolutely no good whatsoever ;) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2012 14:19:58 -0700 From: moonsiste...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter I have 40 cats so any cat litter expense is going to be flushing money down the drain or into the garbage. I use pine pellets which cost $6.00 for 40 lbs. at Tractor Supply. At that price my cats can poop and pee in luxury. The pine breaks down to a yellow powder though and I have to sweep it up all the time to prevent my cat room from looking like a weird beach because the cats dig and then track with their paws. Yellow, yellow everywhere. I use a light weight variable length squeegee to sweep because a broom just makes all that yellow go airborne. At least there is no initial dust up when I pour the pine and it really deodorizes the contents of the litter box unless I don't dump it often enough. I dump and wash and refill about every 3 days, scoop the poop every day. Lots of work. For this I needed a college degree? Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 8, 2012 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter I use scoopable litter, but I use the dust free kind. Some scoopable litter is so dusty clouds of it billow up and this is obviously bad stuff. I never use any scoopinig litter with small kittens, but with as many grown cats as I have (total 24) I use very large litter boxes and I simply can't lift them (to dump) when they are filled with the clay litter. I have painful arthritis and I'm ancient... almost 80. I'd really like to hear from others on the list about who uses clay litter and who uses scoopable. Fresh Step and Tidy Cat scoopable don't seem to have any dust at all, but it's scary to think scoopable litter is so bad. Lorrie On 10-08, Natalie wrote: Liter, especially clumping litter, should be banned - I have tons of info on it, how a company responded to a concerned cat owner, Buyer beware. I discourage all my adopters from using it. Sodium bentonite is fatal to cats if they inhale it, eat it, inadvertently when cleaning themselves - or kittens, while playing. People always seem to think that if something is expensive, it must be the best - and they want the best for their cats! Hartz litter is pretty disgusting, too! Natalie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter
I use Feline Pine - scoopable, not the pellets (it's too hard on their feet in my opinion). It has improved immensely! It clumps better and leaves less on the floor than what it used to. It lasts a long time too. L -Original Message- From: Lorrie Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 3:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter I use scoopable litter, but I use the dust free kind. Some scoopable litter is so dusty clouds of it billow up and this is obviously bad stuff. I never use any scoopinig litter with small kittens, but with as many grown cats as I have (total 24) I use very large litter boxes and I simply can't lift them (to dump) when they are filled with the clay litter. I have painful arthritis and I'm ancient... almost 80. I'd really like to hear from others on the list about who uses clay litter and who uses scoopable. Fresh Step and Tidy Cat scoopable don't seem to have any dust at all, but it's scary to think scoopable litter is so bad. Lorrie On 10-08, Natalie wrote: Liter, especially clumping litter, should be banned - I have tons of info on it, how a company responded to a concerned cat owner, Buyer beware. I discourage all my adopters from using it. Sodium bentonite is fatal to cats if they inhale it, eat it, inadvertently when cleaning themselves - or kittens, while playing. People always seem to think that if something is expensive, it must be the best - and they want the best for their cats! Hartz litter is pretty disgusting, too! Natalie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter
For an average of 70 cats, I cannot afford to dump litter, and or the delightful aroma it would cause if I didn't do it 2x/day or more, as needed. It doesn't matter whether it's dusty or not, clumping litter still contains sodium bentonite, and it doesn't have to be listed on the bag/box. The one and only way of knowing whether it doesn't contain SB, is if it's allowed to be flushed down a toilet; its' a compound used in construction to seal the space between earth and foundation by absorbing 15 times its weight in liquid. It can get into a cat's urethra and cause a blockage, get ingested when grooming and cause intestinal blockage or when inhaled, turn into a solid block in the lungs by absorbing the moisture. From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee Evans Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 6:12 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter Definitely bending over for any length of time can be a big pain in the back. I pick up my litter boxes and place them on a plastic lawn furniture end table. It raises the box to a level where I can scoop in comfort and the cats like to sit under it and play with my pants leg. 'Stop that, stop that, no claws!! I can't easily get up from those garden kneeler seats because of really weak knees. Whoever coined the term Golden Years was probably not yet 18. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! _ From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 8, 2012 4:22 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter Yep, my college degree sits behind me at my desk doing me absolutely no good whatsoever ;) _ Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2012 14:19:58 -0700 From: moonsiste...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter I have 40 cats so any cat litter expense is going to be flushing money down the drain or into the garbage. I use pine pellets which cost $6.00 for 40 lbs. at Tractor Supply. At that price my cats can poop and pee in luxury. The pine breaks down to a yellow powder though and I have to sweep it up all the time to prevent my cat room from looking like a weird beach because the cats dig and then track with their paws. Yellow, yellow everywhere. I use a light weight variable length squeegee to sweep because a broom just makes all that yellow go airborne. At least there is no initial dust up when I pour the pine and it really deodorizes the contents of the litter box unless I don't dump it often enough. I dump and wash and refill about every 3 days, scoop the poop every day. Lots of work. For this I needed a college degree? Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! _ From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 8, 2012 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter I use scoopable litter, but I use the dust free kind. Some scoopable litter is so dusty clouds of it billow up and this is obviously bad stuff. I never use any scoopinig litter with small kittens, but with as many grown cats as I have (total 24) I use very large litter boxes and I simply can't lift them (to dump) when they are filled with the clay litter. I have painful arthritis and I'm ancient... almost 80. I'd really like to hear from others on the list about who uses clay litter and who uses scoopable. Fresh Step and Tidy Cat scoopable don't seem to have any dust at all, but it's scary to think scoopable litter is so bad. Lorrie On 10-08, Natalie wrote: Liter, especially clumping litter, should be banned - I have tons of info on it, how a company responded to a concerned cat owner, Buyer beware. I discourage all my adopters from using it. Sodium bentonite is fatal to cats if they inhale it, eat it, inadvertently when cleaning themselves - or kittens, while playing. People always seem to think that if something is expensive, it must be the best - and they want the best for their cats! Hartz litter is pretty disgusting, too! Natalie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] 9 kittens, one testing pos
Hi Natalie, We are not certain which is this kitten's mom, because the whole colony is mixed up. One mom drops 2 kittens off, another picks them up. They are all sharing. From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Mon, October 8, 2012 11:06:33 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] 9 kittens, one testing pos Janine, you wrote that some of their moms tested negative. How about the positive kitten’s mom - was she pos or neg? I would retest with the ELISA. I find it strange that a kitten would show a weak positive if the mother was positive because their kittens are positive, or should be. If the kitten’s mom is not positive, could this kittens have been exposed to a positive cat and therefore be a weak positive? What was the vet’s explanation? I don’t have much experience with FeLV – I have quite a few FIV. I had a FeLV+ kitten years ago, and he died within 2 months. Last year, I had 2 FeLV+ adult cats (already in the bone marrow), one died of CRF and the other one was adopted by a veterinarian and still doing really well. Those two FeLV+ cats were living with a large group of healthy cats for about 6 months…I have retested, starting with the youngest and oldest, and then everyone in the middle – not a single cat contracted FeLV! I consider myself quite lucky! But there are many on this list who have FeLV+ cats living with healthy ones, some vaccinate the healthy ones, and some do not. Natalie From:Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of janine paton Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2012 8:21 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] 9 kittens, one testing pos Can anyone explain to me why if from point of exposure to actually testing pos is 28 days, if this is correct, why we can't just retest in one month using Elisa? And if all excepting the one testing weak pos, stjill test neg, is this good enough? All 8 kittens and some of their moms tested neg, just the one a weak pos. I am asking because I am trying to make this make sense to me and keep everyone safe. And foster homes understanding. Thanks, Janine From:Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Fri, October 5, 2012 8:52:00 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject) I agree, they have been very civil! Natalie From:Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Diane Rosenfeldt Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 8:23 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject) Thanks, Lee, I was about to say that I have never seen anyone not get responded to on this list in their time of need and emotional turmoil. Going offtopic is almost inevitable when you’re on a specialized list like this. I think the OT discussion has been amazingly civil and respectful. As it happens, I will be voting Democrat because I feel they are in touch with, and care about, the people that the Republicans have referred to as the 47% they’re not interested in reaching. My reasons have to do with the way the most vulnerable among us would be treated under each party. I feel people like most of us, who are sort of getting by or not quite getting by or getting by only because we get a pension or disability or whatever, need people in government who are interested in reaching us. Diane R. From:Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee Evans Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 2:54 PM To: felvtalk Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject) In the middle of our chit-chat about politics and hunters and vegetarian diets, if someone had come in with the subject line: Cat Bitten by Cobra, we would have been off the chatty stuff in an instant and onto Google to look up what could be done for the cat while the caregiver was taking him to the vet emergency clinic. So if we wander around the hospital isles occasionally when everyone is asleep and babble a bit, don't worry. We can switch in a moment. I actually did switch when I saw how agonized you were and posted about vets treating FeLv cats differently from non-FeLv cats to get us back on topic. But occasionally on every specialized list I have been on there is a subject with OT listed and then it's either a funny article copied from a magazine or other online source or some cute pictures of cats doing silly things, or even a heated political discussion about who will be President and how it would effect our ability to financially keep our heads above water and still feed our rescues and take our cats to the vet when needed. It really does tie into the FeLv+ cat group because we are very money intensive in trying to keep our rescued special needs cats as healthy as can be for as long as can be. If I lose my Social Security and Medicare benefits or they are reduced, I would have to cut down on food for myself and air conditioning in the summer and heat in
Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter
Wow! I didn't know that! Makes me reconsider what I'm using in my six boxes... Used to use World's Best but it is also 'world's most expensive'... Got to rethink it now. Thanks! Sent from my iPhone On Oct 8, 2012, at 3:37 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: For an average of 70 cats, I cannot afford to dump litter, and or the delightful aroma it would cause if I didn’t do it 2x/day or more, as needed. It doesn’t matter whether it’s dusty or not, clumping litter still contains sodium bentonite, and it doesn’t have to be listed on the bag/box. The one and only way of knowing whether it doesn’t contain SB, is if it’s allowed to be flushed down a toilet; its’ a compound used in construction to seal the space between earth and foundation by absorbing 15 times its weight in liquid. It can get into a cat’s urethra and cause a blockage, get ingested when grooming and cause intestinal blockage or when inhaled, turn into a solid block in the lungs by absorbing the moisture. From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee Evans Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 6:12 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter Definitely bending over for any length of time can be a big pain in the back. I pick up my litter boxes and place them on a plastic lawn furniture end table. It raises the box to a level where I can scoop in comfort and the cats like to sit under it and play with my pants leg. 'Stop that, stop that, no claws!! I can't easily get up from those garden kneeler seats because of really weak knees. Whoever coined the term Golden Years was probably not yet 18. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 8, 2012 4:22 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter Yep, my college degree sits behind me at my desk doing me absolutely no good whatsoever ;) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2012 14:19:58 -0700 From: moonsiste...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter I have 40 cats so any cat litter expense is going to be flushing money down the drain or into the garbage. I use pine pellets which cost $6.00 for 40 lbs. at Tractor Supply. At that price my cats can poop and pee in luxury. The pine breaks down to a yellow powder though and I have to sweep it up all the time to prevent my cat room from looking like a weird beach because the cats dig and then track with their paws. Yellow, yellow everywhere. I use a light weight variable length squeegee to sweep because a broom just makes all that yellow go airborne. At least there is no initial dust up when I pour the pine and it really deodorizes the contents of the litter box unless I don't dump it often enough. I dump and wash and refill about every 3 days, scoop the poop every day. Lots of work. For this I needed a college degree? Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 8, 2012 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter I use scoopable litter, but I use the dust free kind. Some scoopable litter is so dusty clouds of it billow up and this is obviously bad stuff. I never use any scoopinig litter with small kittens, but with as many grown cats as I have (total 24) I use very large litter boxes and I simply can't lift them (to dump) when they are filled with the clay litter. I have painful arthritis and I'm ancient... almost 80. I'd really like to hear from others on the list about who uses clay litter and who uses scoopable. Fresh Step and Tidy Cat scoopable don't seem to have any dust at all, but it's scary to think scoopable litter is so bad. Lorrie On 10-08, Natalie wrote: Liter, especially clumping litter, should be banned - I have tons of info on it, how a company responded to a concerned cat owner, Buyer beware. I discourage all my adopters from using it. Sodium bentonite is fatal to cats if they inhale it, eat it, inadvertently when cleaning themselves - or kittens, while playing. People always seem to think that if something is expensive, it must be the best - and they want the best for their cats! Hartz litter is pretty disgusting, too! Natalie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list
Re: [Felvtalk] NY - Does Anyone know of a CAT SANCTUARY FOR: Feline Leukumia kitties?
Are they afraid of FELV? can't you convince them to give her a chance? Maryam Ulomi ava...@gmail.com wrote: There is a place in Alexandria , va and its a lady who runs it outside her home. I had found them after i rescued my little Kitty. Sent from my iPhone. On Oct 6, 2012, at 16:07, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: A section of my sanctuary is for FelV Pos. cats, but NY is probably too far away. I'm in WV, and actually I'm getting much too old (almost 80) to take on more cats. I'm wondering why the people who were to adopt this kitten don't want it now. Unless of course they have other cats. Lorrie On 10-06, Natalie wrote: Any advice for this rescue person? Natalie Hi, please contact [1]wellbeing...@gmail.com if you have the info. From: [2]wellbeing...@gmail.com [3]wellbeing...@gmail.com Subject: Re: FeLeuk Date: Thursday, October 4, 2012, 11:45 PM We have a darling kitten, who's been beautifully fostered and about to be placed in a fabulous home; was diagnosed with FeLV today. Do any of you have any sanctuaries or homes which could take this sweet kitty? Please let us know. Many thanks! Ms. Gregg Mayer Certified Integrative Yoga Therapist 500 Hr. RYT Kripalu Yoga Instructor Certified Pilates Instructor [4]www.angelfire.com/ct3/wellbeings77/ ~ All Sentient Beings, Inc. (Animal Rescue, Information Clearinghouse) All Sentient Beings, Inc. is a registered 501 (c)(3) nonprofit organization in the United States References 1. http://mailto:wellbeing...@gmail.com/ 2. mailto:wellbeing...@gmail.com 3. mailto:wellbeing...@gmail.com 4. http://www.angelfire.com/ct3/wellbeings77/ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter
I HAVE 7 CATS AND USE WORLD'S BEST LITTER. NOT CLAY. IT IS BIODEGREADABLE SO CAN GO INTO A SPECIAL COMPOST PIT. MADE FROM CORN SO CLUMPS NICELY AND NO REAL ODOR. I SCOOP 2 x A DAY BECAUSE I HAVE A COUPLE WHO REFUSE TO USE THE BOX IF EVEN 1 CORNER IS SOILED. Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: For an average of 70 cats, I cannot afford to dump litter, and or the delightful aroma it would cause if I didn't do it 2x/day or more, as needed. It doesn't matter whether it's dusty or not, clumping litter still contains sodium bentonite, and it doesn't have to be listed on the bag/box. The one and only way of knowing whether it doesn't contain SB, is if it's allowed to be flushed down a toilet; its' a compound used in construction to seal the space between earth and foundation by absorbing 15 times its weight in liquid. It can get into a cat's urethra and cause a blockage, get ingested when grooming and cause intestinal blockage or when inhaled, turn into a solid block in the lungs by absorbing the moisture. From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee Evans Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 6:12 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter Definitely bending over for any length of time can be a big pain in the back. I pick up my litter boxes and place them on a plastic lawn furniture end table. It raises the box to a level where I can scoop in comfort and the cats like to sit under it and play with my pants leg. 'Stop that, stop that, no claws!! I can't easily get up from those garden kneeler seats because of really weak knees. Whoever coined the term Golden Years was probably not yet 18. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! _ From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 8, 2012 4:22 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter Yep, my college degree sits behind me at my desk doing me absolutely no good whatsoever ;) _ Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2012 14:19:58 -0700 From: moonsiste...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter I have 40 cats so any cat litter expense is going to be flushing money down the drain or into the garbage. I use pine pellets which cost $6.00 for 40 lbs. at Tractor Supply. At that price my cats can poop and pee in luxury. The pine breaks down to a yellow powder though and I have to sweep it up all the time to prevent my cat room from looking like a weird beach because the cats dig and then track with their paws. Yellow, yellow everywhere. I use a light weight variable length squeegee to sweep because a broom just makes all that yellow go airborne. At least there is no initial dust up when I pour the pine and it really deodorizes the contents of the litter box unless I don't dump it often enough. I dump and wash and refill about every 3 days, scoop the poop every day. Lots of work. For this I needed a college degree? Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! _ From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 8, 2012 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter I use scoopable litter, but I use the dust free kind. Some scoopable litter is so dusty clouds of it billow up and this is obviously bad stuff. I never use any scoopinig litter with small kittens, but with as many grown cats as I have (total 24) I use very large litter boxes and I simply can't lift them (to dump) when they are filled with the clay litter. I have painful arthritis and I'm ancient... almost 80. I'd really like to hear from others on the list about who uses clay litter and who uses scoopable. Fresh Step and Tidy Cat scoopable don't seem to have any dust at all, but it's scary to think scoopable litter is so bad. Lorrie On 10-08, Natalie wrote: Liter, especially clumping litter, should be banned - I have tons of info on it, how a company responded to a concerned cat owner, Buyer beware. I discourage all my adopters from using it. Sodium bentonite is fatal to cats if they inhale it, eat it, inadvertently when cleaning themselves - or kittens, while playing. People always seem to think that if something is expensive, it must be the best - and they want the best for their cats! Hartz litter is pretty disgusting, too! Natalie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter
That is why I went to World's Best, it lasts longer plus it doesn't weigh as much as clay and can be composted. So far, I have no smell from the compost pit. Joslin Potter joslinir...@yahoo.com wrote: I really like the Worlds best cat litter, it's not only flushable but doesn't have that dust either. 15 lb bag lasts me about 3 weeks or so with 2 cats. From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 8, 2012 4:31 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter I use scoopable litter, but I use the dust free kind. Some scoopable litter is so dusty clouds of it billow up and this is obviously bad stuff. I never use any scoopinig litter with small kittens, but with as many grown cats as I have (total 24) I use very large litter boxes and I simply can't lift them (to dump) when they are filled with the clay litter. I have painful arthritis and I'm ancient... almost 80. I'd really like to hear from others on the list about who uses clay litter and who uses scoopable. Fresh Step and Tidy Cat scoopable don't seem to have any dust at all, but it's scary to think scoopable litter is so bad. Lorrie On 10-08, Natalie wrote: Liter, especially clumping litter, should be banned - I have tons of info on it, how a company responded to a concerned cat owner, Buyer beware. I discourage all my adopters from using it. Sodium bentonite is fatal to cats if they inhale it, eat it, inadvertently when cleaning themselves - or kittens, while playing. People always seem to think that if something is expensive, it must be the best - and they want the best for their cats! Hartz litter is pretty disgusting, too! Natalie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
