Re: [Felvtalk] OT, sort of--I've been offline for over a year and I want to thank you all
Dear Melissa and all: Well, I'm finally back on my computer after a solid year or more-- just plowing thru ENORMOUS amts of email! I saw this note from Melissa about Baby Penelope (now Great Big Girl Penelope). After my little bitty FeLV+ Sammy passed away last year after four months of successful, no sick-making chemotherapy everything became overwhelming. I didn't look at my snailmail for four months or my email for over a year. Didn't even use the computer. I want to thank ALL of you for your messages of condolence after his passing. His little brudders Teddy Monkeytail Humphrey of Stewart and Charlie Morito Humphrey of Stewart are sitting here in the den with me as I write to you all. They were fortunate enough to escape the feline leukemia that little Sammy inherited from their wild mother. They are healthy and happy and gprgeous little ones and I am sure they see their mother and their brother in their dreams. Among the other wildlife in our home we have a new all-black little kitten (well, bigger now!) who I named Tallulah with a great big swishy, poofy tail who was found with her two little sibbies (all little black girls) by a contractor in a crawlspace in Wilmette (the next suburb over to mine) at three weeks and taken by the family to our wonderful local petshop Wilmette Pet where one of the pet shop boys there raised them. My mom had just lost my dad's cat Scotty, a big poofy black boy with long, thick eyelashes like a HUMAN, to kidney disease and since every home needs AT LEAST one black cat (good luck in England) little Tallulah came home with me. Actually her full name is Tallulah de la Falaise Scobie Humphrey of Stewart (that's our street--a play on all those silly pedigreed names--all our cats are rescues, little darling mutt kitties!) We call her Lulu. Tallulah refers to her goofy little sexy walk. The wonderful upshot of pet shop boy Eric raising three tiny baby girl kittens is that he has taken a job with a local veterinarian and is now on his way to becoming a vet--starting from the ground up as a vet tech! Isn't that wonderful? And, now I must go--my sweet little girl Lilibet Squeekietoy (very teeny voice) is asking me to come watch her eat! Thank you again for everything! Taylor Scobie Humphrey Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Sep 5, 2007, at 2:40 PM, Melissa Lind wrote: Well, since the list is quiet today, I’ll share my new kitty update. I’ve decided to name her Penelope. I was watching CSI Miami last night—reruns—and as I was trying to coax her out from behind the piano, I was also trying to figure out her name. I heard “Penelope” on the TV several times. I think it was the name of a ship or something on the show. It seemed to fit this little timid girl, so it’s stuck so far. We’ll see what hubby thinks of the name. I was thinking about asking him to name the baby so he’d be more attached and connected with her. However, he may not notice her since she’s been hiding out quite a bit. She’s so little, he might not see her! He’ll be home tonight for sure, but since he can’t speak cat, I don’t think anyone is going to tell him about the new addition. We’ll see how long it takes to notice. Penelope seems to be fairing well with the other cats. I let her hang out with them without boundaries, dividers, etc. There’s a lot of hissing, but mostly it’s just the other cats hissing at each other. Everyone is on edge since the new baby has thrown a wrench into the pecking order. None is mean to her, so I think we’ll all be getting along great in a few days—as long as my husband doesn’t kick us all out! Just kidding, he’s actually very kind-hearted despite how I might depict him on here! I’ll try to post pictures tomorrow. Melissa Lind Contract Administrator DEG Enterprises, Inc. 200 Norfolk Av. Norfolk, NE 68701 Phone: 402-379-1820 Fax: 402-379-3604 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: papillon, part 2
Okay, have I been asleep? (Ans: probably!) What's the T-cyte drug? Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Aug 31, 2007, at 2:40 PM, Susan Dubose wrote: I talked to Dr.Smith today about my Pappy, he wants me to bring him for a thorough exam ASAP. He says that the thing w/felv+cats, you have to watch them very carefully,more so than other cats, of course, because cats are so good about hiding their medical problems. And when their behavior changes, that's always cause for alarm. I have back to back petsitting next week ( w/lots of special needs pets) due to a holiday and I will be lucky if I even get to eat in a timely fashion. Probably will just eat in my car as usual. Talk about pressure. My vet is a 70+mile round trip, also. The good thing is that I can always take him there, drop him off,and he will be in good hands, I know. Then just pick him up when I can. On another note, Dr. Mrs.Smith are getting a total of 8 felv+ cats from the FLOCK fiasco,due to arrive next week. Best Friends, in return , is taking about 7 or 8 highly adoptable kittens, all about 8 weeks old. They are so cute! They were dumped @ the shelter in 2 filthy carriers, all very sick w/URI,parasites diarhea. I saw them today, what little pistols! They are rip, roaring ready to gooo! I miss having kittens. :( My kitten foster space has been made into the felv+ suite.. All of the Smiths' felv+cats are on the T-Cyte drug, and it's seems to be working and it's available for sale. Sheila said in the past they have given them all interferon, but it just didn't seem to do much. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent
Re: Update on Olive: Dilemma...
Oh, Megan, it is so hard to know what to do! I'm praying (and so are my kitties) for you, the doctors and little Olive, too, to be able to make the right decision for her. Sleeping on it really does work and may somehow clear your head for the decisions you all have to make. Please have a peaceful night and know that we are all dreaming about the best care for little Olive along with you. Love, Tee 'n' the Wildlife Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Aug 31, 2007, at 9:26 AM, Megan Heikkinen wrote: Dilemma, dilemma... Last night, I was pretty much resigned to letting Olive pass. Not happily resigned, now, for I cried for hours and then couldn't sleep. I had actually typed up a huge email about my reasoning a few minutes ago, but I just got off the phone with my vet, and now I'm once again lost as to what to do. First off, I want to mention that my vet does actually seem to want to help, he just doesn't think much will come of it and doesn't want to give me false hope. Apparently, he wrote down my number wrong last night, which is why I never got a return call. I asked about the reticulocyte count. She had some last week, but it was so low that they considered it nonregenerative anemia. Apparently, she had also received two shots of steroids along with the transfusion. This worries me, because the transfusion started wearing off only after 5 days, when it usually lasts around 10 days. The shots seemed to help within the first couple of days, but then wore off. I also asked if haemobartonella was still a possibility, and he thought it might be. He is going to find out the price of getting a combo of doxy with something else that can be given in a form other than pills. He said he'd be willing to try epogen, but warned me that it usually only works a couple times because an immunity develops. I called the vet school about the price, but had to leave a message. I asked my vet about it, and he reassured me that their given price was indeed $2000-3000. He isn't sure what it entails, though I'm assuming it's everything under the sun, and that kind of scares me. I don't want to subject Olive to a million tests... So, I'm facing this huge problem now. While I would of course love to save Olive, I don't know if it's really going to do any good. And yeah, trying to do something may be better than doing nothing at all. But I'm not sure. I don't want to put her through this stage of slowly dying again, for the third time. I don't know if she'll even be helped unless she can get another blood transfusion, and if I do that at my vet, I'll have to use Juniper as a donor. That scares me. I don't really have time to look elsewhere, though. I wish someone could just give me the answer, but I know that ultimately it is up to me. I wish I was stronger, and not the most indecisive fool on the planet. One of my biggest concerns is that if I do manage to keep Olive alive, my other two babies will continue to be susceptible to this godforsaken virus. = Original Message From Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] = I do not all animals or people suffer when they are dying and I can tell you for a fact unless any of my furkids are in a great deal of pain and I clearly get from them they want help passing I will let all of them pass on their own, I personally believe most prefer it. It may not be pretty for me but I don't think they suffer as we think they do, once the process gets to a certain point the body goes into shock and I don't think you feel much of anything. Of course I have never died, that is just my sense of the process and I could be as right as anyone who insists helping an animal pass is the best and kindest thing you can do for them, I don't think that is always the case. I personally would never want to be euthanized if that was an option humans had. You will regret seeing it and much worse, allowing it to get that far for her sake. You will see her suffer. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Sylvester died at home this morning
Dear Tracy: I was so sad to read your story of your wonderful Sylvester and his peaceful passing up in your box spring. And also, how he showed the doctor that he was just fine--I think he was thanking his vet, in a way, for all the help he had been given there. And thanking you and the other kitties for all the happy life he had with you--even if some of them terrorized him! He clearly wanted to pass away with you--and he did! My very BEST thoughts for Sylvester and for you and the other kitties, too. xxx, Tee 'n' the Wildlife Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Aug 25, 2007, at 8:11 AM, Tracy Weese wrote: My giant (well, he used to be) ol' farm cat died this morning at home. Sylvester came off a farm where I take care of a dwindling (thanks to TNR) cat colony. He got very sick about 2 years ago and I took him to the vet...of course it was more than being sick, he had FeLV +. So he came home with my other cats (I had few other positives then, after today down to two now and soon to be one-CW is anemic and fading, too). He was big when I got him, about 16 pounds despite being so ill. After many at the vets' and then living at home, he was up to 22 lbs! He stayed pretty healthy for about 1 year and 4 months (he was probably 7 when I got him). He always had a little cough the vets thought was asthma (and yes, we checked and re-checked this). But recently, he was not the same, more coughing, high fever, not eatingturns out his blood counts were all haywire. Low RBC, Low white count and low plateletsthe antibiotics for the fever made his tummy hurt, too. So at the vet yesterday I asked if it was time to let him go (he lost 2 lbs in a week), the vet didn't think so bec. of course, he perked up at the vets' and purred and pranced...He got a vitamin B12 shot and his very first steroid shot (yes, we discussed that steriods in a FeLV+ cat were a last resort). When we got home, he had a good night. He ate some, and hung out with me and the others (he had been staying under the bed except when I would drag him out for meds). He even played some and tried to squeeze into a tiny box like he used to. This morning I awoke to a few sounds of slight distresshe was sleeping under the bed again (actually, the cats tore the bottom fabric of the box springs and he would sleep inside the box springs). I reached down and touched him and told him I was there and then went to get a carrier to go to the vet. In the seconds it took for me to run downstairs and get the carrier and come back up, he was gone. I had to cut the rest of the fabric to get him since he would lay furtherst from the opening. I pulled him out and he was still, he looked very peaceful--no signs of struggle on him or under the bed. This is the very first cat I have had that died at home (and I have a cabinet full of cremated remains)...it was not terrible, but I did not plan it. Last night was so good for him, I guess he had only one last good night in him. He died with me nearby and in the place he felt safest, under the bed. I took him to the vets' so he can be cremated. I don't think he suffered but a few short seconds if that. I gave him permission several days ago to leave if he needed to, I guess he needed to go today. Although I will miss him, several of my other cats will not. He was a gentle giant, but a few of my smaller cats terrorized him if they got the chance. He never struck out first and usually retreated, but he was always a sweetie to people. Please think good thoughts for Sylvester.
Re: Please add Jingles to the CLS
Poor dear Jingles. Sherpa and Autumn took great care to be with him on Saturday for you. I'm so sorry that this awful thing happened. Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Aug 29, 2007, at 2:02 PM, Susan Loesch wrote: My sweet little Jingles boy - who I wrote about last week asking about the ulcer/tumor on his eye had to be euthanized Saturday night. He was fine Friday night and I'd planned to take him to the vet the first part of this week. He was eating and cuddling up with me then. Sat. morning I didn't bother him when he was curled up in a cat bed with Sherpa and Autumn - they all looked so comfortable that I just left them. Was gone most of the day and when I went back iin and Jingles was still curled up in the bed i tried to wake him up. His eye looked like it had literally exploded - red/pink and white tissue comiing out and the eye dripping. The Emerg Clinic wasn't an option for him because he wasn't strong enough to withstand anesthesia and an enucleation. I sedated him as fast as I could and he was euthanized. I have never ever seen anything like that. Jimgles was a totally sweet boy who loved to sleep with me. He had gone downhill over the last couple of months and I figured his life was coming to an end, but I sure didn't expect this. He was adopted from a kill shelter by an elderly lady who didn't care that he was feleuk positive. Then she died and I've had him about 5 years. Such a sweetheart.
Re: OT: How to stop a cat fight
That's hilarious! (Much more hilarious since it's not happening at MY house at this moment.) I LOVE baby kittens! Thanks for the laugh. I saved it! Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Aug 13, 2007, at 2:43 PM, Susan Dubose wrote: http://www.milkandcookies.com/link/65872/detail/ Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent
Re: 130 cats in one flat
What a riot! What a racket! But I must say, it does look nice and shiny clean in there and the woman does not look like a crazy person, either. I love all those little children's chairs too--for the 130 little children! Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Aug 12, 2007, at 7:18 PM, Susan Dubose wrote: Yes, the room did look clean, and I have oftened thought about getting my cats some of those plastic child chairs to sit in. But they already have too much junk. I did think that the shot w/ the 2 tuxes looked kinda skinny, but who knows their story. I have cats that are chronically ill that are well cared for, but they look like they are sick. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Chris Behnke To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 6:49 PM Subject: RE: 130 cats in one flat At least all the cats look healthy and the room is very clean. I can’t imagine having that many at once. I thought 13 was a bit muchJ Chris From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:felvtalk- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf OfSusan Dubose Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 1:56 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: OT: 130 cats in one flat http://englishrussia.com/?p=1199 Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.15/949 - Release Date: 8/12/2007 11:03 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.15/949 - Release Date: 8/12/2007 11:03 AM
Re: Inky is 21 now!!!!
WOW! 21! Congrats, Inky, and lots of more good health to you and all the kitties! (An' peoples, too!) xxx Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Aug 12, 2007, at 7:41 AM, Kerry Roach wrote: Hi everyone, I haven't been here in awhile, and I do see there are many new people..So just want you all to know (those of you that remember us) that Inky turned 21 last Thursday..I know he isn't felv+, but you guys helped me with some of his problems while I was dealing with my Bandy's illness. We are always thankful for your knowledge and compassion for our fur babies. Inky had blood work about 3 wks ago and his hyper-t has gotten worse, but the increase in meds is working again so far...kidney values are still high, but better...and the ibd is doing ok.. so he is my shining star.. Bandy has been gone little over 6 months now and I miss him so..He will always be with me. My best to you all and I hope all your babies are doing well today..If we can ever help, please email me direct..I am going to try to catch up. If any of my experiences with Bandy (who was FIV+ and Felv+) I would be glad to offer what I can. We dealt with alot of different things. Our best to you all, Kerry, Angel's Bandy, Lil Rascal, Buster, Snoopy, Striper, Albert and Alberta Inky and the rest of the crew Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel.
Re: OT: oh Lordy!
YOU are so funny, Susan! Hey--but WAIT! We ALL had warped childhoods if I'm not mistaken. . . . Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Aug 12, 2007, at 6:03 AM, Susan Dubose wrote: Yeap. Prom Queen Barbie, w/ her long blond hair, headless naked face down in my cats' water bowl... Who the hell knows where her Tiara is... Probably in the litterbox. Do you think there is something from my warped childhood projecting here? Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Taylor Scobie Humphrey To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 10:38 PM Subject: Re: OT: oh Lordy! Oh, AS USUAL from YOU, what a great story! I'm heading for Goodwill! xxx, Tee 'n' the Wildlife Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Aug 11, 2007, at 9:21 PM, Susan Dubose wrote: My cats are devils in fur. Gattos diablos... :) Their FAVORITE toy in the world? Detached barbie doll heads. Flowing in their water bowls, face down. And the funny part? I pick them up @ Good Will all day for a few cents, fully clothed w/ heads attached. In just a few short days, I find Barbie's prom dress in one corner, her naked headless body in another. The head still has hair, but it has been ravaged to the point of mere fluff. And everyone thinks I'M the crazy one in the family. But them again, they are momma's babies.. :) Nothing cuter than my Princess Purr-laaa AKAS Kannibal Kitty walking around meowing cooing w/ a caught Barbie doll She's soo cute.. It's the REAL Addams Family.. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent
Re: the bleach niche
THANKS! Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Aug 13, 2007, at 6:34 AM, Susan Dubose wrote: http://www.animalsh eltering. org/resource_ library/magazine _articles/ jul_aug_2003/ the_bleach_ niche.html __._,_.___ Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent
Re: Success!
Yay, Becky! And what a lame vet! Jeez! Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Aug 13, 2007, at 8:42 AM, Beckie McRae wrote: Well, Friday, I went and got the “Pill Pockets”. (Chicken Flavored, my cats hate seafood, go figure), Went home, wrapped the Benedryl in it, and……WA LA! Down it went! I was SO happy!!! The lady at the pet store also told me about these bath wipes so I got a pack of those. They’re like baby wipes, and you just rub them down, and it helps to moisturize their skin, and his coat is so soft! I just wipe him down once a day, (which he LOVES by the way). Also, they have aloe, so that helps with his scratching. Amazingly enough, the lady at the pet store was more helpful than the vet! When I got home, and saw how everything worked, I IMMEDIATELY got on the phone with the vet and ripped her a new one. I wanted to know why she hadn’t told me about these products especially since I voiced to her MANY times how bad the pilling was going, and how bad his skin was. Hell, she SAW it! Her response? We don’t endorse other products than what we sell here. Well I proceeded to tell her that when she became a vet she took an oath to care for an ailing animal NO MATTER WHAT, and even though they don’t “endorse” those products, she STILL could have suggested them. I told her if it was THAT big of a deal maybe THEY should start getting wipes, and pill pockets there to “ENDORSE” so that other people and their animals don’t have to go through what we’ve been. I told her that I would NEVER be coming back to her, and I WOULD be filing a report with the better business bureau, and ANYONE who asks me for a vet, I will them to go ANYWHERE but there. I was HOT Thanks again guys! Beckie
Re: OT: rescue remedy
What a couple of nutballs! Have you tried the ever-popular Feliway plug-ins? Or, come to think about it, earplugs for the humans? And rescue remedy in your mouths? (Sigh.) At least you have happy cats! Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Aug 13, 2007, at 1:06 PM, Melissa Lind wrote: So, I was really excited to get some rescue remedy and try it out on the kitties to see how amazingly it worked—no luck! Am I doing something wrong? I bought the regular rescue remedy in the dropper form and the rescue sleep in the spray. I was hoping to use it at night or the early morning hours when things get out of control at our house. Mainly it’s just two of our cats who wrestle and fight (play fight) constantly—non stop! It’s loud (even though they don’t meow), but they’re running into things, stampeding through the hallway, scratching furniture as they vault over it, mauling each other, etc. They look like one gray ball rolling around frantically. When we’re awake during the day, it’s all very amusing, and I always break up the fights when they get too serious. Those two hearts get to beating so fast! One is not picking on the other—both take turns instigating these fights. Anyway, I thought maybe the rescue remedy would calm them down during these situations when we’re trying to sleep and they’re playing “rodeo.” I squirted the rescue sleep in one cat’s mouth. Nothing. I added it to their water at bed time. No luck. I gave them a drop of the regular rescue remedy in their mouths. Nada. The circus continued at 4 a.m. without lessening. Anybody else have zero results with this? Does it only work with stressed out cats and not rambunctious ones? Maybe we should be using it on ourselves instead! J Melissa Lind
OT: Adam's recovery AND he's on Catster!
Thanks so much, Susan. I also discovered that Adam was cat of the day on Catster the other day! You can read his story there and you and the Dubose four-footers can become his friends. It's just great! Tee 'n' the Wildlife Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Aug 8, 2007, at 9:58 PM, Susan Dubose wrote: http://www1. pressdemocrat. com/apps/ pbcs.dll/ section?Category =MEDIAbcpid=770169275bclid=769393745bctid=458181 http://www.forgotte nfelines. com/v4/adam_ updates.shtml Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent
Re: A Snowflake in My Hand......
Oh, thanks so much, Susan. Tee Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Aug 11, 2007, at 2:19 PM, Susan Dubose wrote: by Samantha Mooney, is another excellent book about taking care of a special needs cat and losing it. Ms. Mooney worked in a famous cat hospital in New York City, and dealt a lot w/ felv+ cats. I have been waiting for her to write another book, but she hasn't yet, that I know of anyway. I have worn out one copy of this book and I am on my second one. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent
Re: Fire update
Yup! Ours are STILL crossed! Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Aug 11, 2007, at 2:22 PM, MaryChristine wrote: and lots and lots of paws On 8/11/07, Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It appears the kitten has been discovered so now down to only 2 missing adults, Please keep all fingers and toes crossed for Susan.. Kelly -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Fire update
Marilyn, you smart cookie, or should I say, you smart kitty treat, you are SO RIGHT! One of the cheapest things you can do to avert a major fire tragedy is to install sprinklers. Losing everything and everyone is much more painful. Also, if you are retrofitting an already built house it will cost more but if you're lucky enough to live in a ranch not that much more. Thanks for the excellent tips--I'm keeping them in mind. And, now that I think of it, sprinklers should work out much better than ADT-- which scares me and my mom straight up in the air when it goes off-- for instance, when a spider walks into one of the smoke detectors-- they're so spider-cozy. Waking up to a faceful of cold water would be much less alarming--and won't scare the kitties to death, either! Tee Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Aug 11, 2007, at 4:18 PM, Marylyn wrote: A thought to those who are building or remodeling: fire suppression sprinkler systems are available for very reasonable prices. Check it out. And don't be put off by jerks in the business . I have had approximately 6000 square feet (basement, house, garage and partial attic) done for well under $9000 and they traveled appx 120 miles one way to install and maintain the system. B and B out of Louisville Ky did my home and I got an equal or better quote from Bullitt. B B was able to do the ceiling/glycol system that included the garage (important for animals) and it is a property saving system (more head and not dependent on people/animals getting out of the structure). However, one jerk quoted me a system that, according to him, was the only one that met state requirements, cost appx $40,000.00. Several fire chiefs/assistant fire chiefs used B B and are extremely pleased with the coverage...and so are the insurance companies. All of this is to say, check it out. And check it out with more than one company if you get someone who is being a total jerk. It really may fit in your budget. It certainly makes me sleep a lot easier. The volunteer fire department here is totally wonderful and I support it 110 per cent but there is only so much you can do in a rural area. These systems are becoming more common in metro areas too. Mine is a new build and I could not bare the though of leaving my little ones here alone without protection I could provide. Take what you can use and leave the rest. As for the missing little ones, please try to calm yourself and send out wonderful, strong beams of light to them so them know where to come and be with you. They are confused as are you. And blessings to you and all of them. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: laurieskatz To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 2:32 PM Subject: Re: Fire update blessings. I love that she is still trying to find them. Prayers and head butts to Susan and all her furries. - Original Message - From: MaryChristine To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 1:22 PM Subject: Re: Fire update and lots and lots of paws On 8/11/07, Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It appears the kitten has been discovered so now down to only 2 missing adults, Please keep all fingers and toes crossed for Susan.. Kelly -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Fire update
I think that a sprinkler system for granite counter tops is a very fair trade. Besides, think of all those wine glasses you won't break! Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Aug 11, 2007, at 7:15 PM, Marylyn wrote: What is the paint situation??? I have never heard of this but, if I put out buildings up, it may be useful. I am very lucky here. The fire chief is a friend and able to tell me what size water line I had to put in etc. Don't even ask what it cost but it was well worth it. Please know I am 1/2 mile off the road and we won't go any further than that. I really hope people will explore their options. I traded granite counter tops and /// well you get the idea for safety and security items. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Kelly L To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 4:48 PM Subject: Re: Fire update At 02:18 PM 8/11/2007, you wrote: I live in an area with a well that will not support a sprinkler system so I use intumescent paint ,,,expensive but gives a bit of peace of mind,,Fire is always my big fear, fortunately all my cats have access to the outdoors, enclosure,,,but I live with that fear and so every fire protection thing I can do Kelly A thought to those who are building or remodeling: fire suppression sprinkler systems are available for very reasonable prices. Check it out. And don't be put off by jerks in the business . I have had approximately 6000 square feet (basement, house, garage and partial attic) done for well under $9000 and they traveled appx 120 miles one way to install and maintain the system. B and B out of Louisville Ky did my home and I got an equal or better quote from Bullitt. B B was able to do the ceiling/glycol system that included the garage (important for animals) and it is a property saving system (more head and not dependent on people/animals getting out of the structure). However, one jerk quoted me a system that, according to him, was the only one that met state requirements, cost appx $40,000.00. Several fire chiefs/assistant fire chiefs used B B and are extremely pleased with the coverage...and so are the insurance companies. All of this is to say, check it out. And check it out with more than one company if you get someone who is being a total jerk. It really may fit in your budget. It certainly makes me sleep a lot easier. The volunteer fire department here is totally wonderful and I support it 110 per cent but there is only so much you can do in a rural area. These systems are becoming more common in metro areas too. Mine is a new build and I could not bare the though of leaving my little ones here alone without protection I could provide. Take what you can use and leave the rest. As for the missing little ones, please try to calm yourself and send out wonderful, strong beams of light to them so them know where to come and be with you. They are confused as are you. And blessings to you and all of them. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: laurieskatz To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 2:32 PM Subject: Re: Fire update blessings. I love that she is still trying to find them. Prayers and head butts to Susan and all her furries. - Original Message - From: MaryChristine To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 1:22 PM Subject: Re: Fire update and lots and lots of paws On 8/11/07, Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It appears the kitten has been discovered so now down to only 2 missing adults, Please keep all fingers and toes crossed for Susan.. Kelly -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.13/946 - Release Date: 8/10/2007 3:50 PM
Re: Fire update
Cool! Thanks! Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Aug 11, 2007, at 7:47 PM, Kelly L wrote: At 05:15 PM 8/11/2007, you wrote: It is called intumescent paint and it pretty fire proof, I ordered mine out of Canada,..you can have it tinted or use it as a base coat,,,I did much research,,,years,,,It is expensive, I did my kitchen on the inside,,,just google fireproof paint,, It is a start,, I will try to find where I got mine but it has ben about 2 years nowIt has to be put on so many millimeters thick to be effective..As I said I did the entire interior kitchen ,,lest someone start a kitchen fire which is mu big concern Kelly What is the paint situation??? I have never heard of this but, if I put out buildings up, it may be useful. I am very lucky here. The fire chief is a friend and able to tell me what size water line I had to put in etc. Don't even ask what it cost but it was well worth it. Please know I am 1/2 mile off the road and we won't go any further than that. I really hope people will explore their options. I traded granite counter tops and /// well you get the idea for safety and security items. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Kelly L To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 4:48 PM Subject: Re: Fire update At 02:18 PM 8/11/2007, you wrote: I live in an area with a well that will not support a sprinkler system so I use intumescent paint ,,,expensive but gives a bit of peace of mind,,Fire is always my big fear, fortunately all my cats have access to the outdoors, enclosure,,,but I live with that fear and so every fire protection thing I can do Kelly A thought to those who are building or remodeling: fire suppression sprinkler systems are available for very reasonable prices. Check it out. And don't be put off by jerks in the business . I have had approximately 6000 square feet (basement, house, garage and partial attic) done for well under $9000 and they traveled appx 120 miles one way to install and maintain the system. B and B out of Louisville Ky did my home and I got an equal or better quote from Bullitt. B B was able to do the ceiling/glycol system that included the garage (important for animals) and it is a property saving system (more head and not dependent on people/animals getting out of the structure). However, one jerk quoted me a system that, according to him, was the only one that met state requirements, cost appx $40,000.00. Several fire chiefs/assistant fire chiefs used B B and are extremely pleased with the coverage...and so are the insurance companies. All of this is to say, check it out. And check it out with more than one company if you get someone who is being a total jerk. It really may fit in your budget. It certainly makes me sleep a lot easier. The volunteer fire department here is totally wonderful and I support it 110 per cent but there is only so much you can do in a rural area. These systems are becoming more common in metro areas too. Mine is a new build and I could not bare the though of leaving my little ones here alone without protection I could provide. Take what you can use and leave the rest. As for the missing little ones, please try to calm yourself and send out wonderful, strong beams of light to them so them know where to come and be with you. They are confused as are you. And blessings to you and all of them. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: laurieskatz To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 2:32 PM Subject: Re: Fire update blessings. I love that she is still trying to find them. Prayers and head butts to Susan and all her furries. - Original Message - From: MaryChristine To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 1:22 PM Subject: Re: Fire update and lots and lots of paws On 8/11/07, Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It appears the kitten has been discovered so now down to only 2 missing adults, Please keep all fingers and toes crossed for Susan.. Kelly -- Spay Neuter Your
Re: OT: oh Lordy!
Oh, AS USUAL from YOU, what a great story! I'm heading for Goodwill! xxx, Tee 'n' the Wildlife Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Aug 11, 2007, at 9:21 PM, Susan Dubose wrote: My cats are devils in fur. Gattos diablos... :) Their FAVORITE toy in the world? Detached barbie doll heads. Flowing in their water bowls, face down. And the funny part? I pick them up @ Good Will all day for a few cents, fully clothed w/ heads attached. In just a few short days, I find Barbie's prom dress in one corner, her naked headless body in another. The head still has hair, but it has been ravaged to the point of mere fluff. And everyone thinks I'M the crazy one in the family. But them again, they are momma's babies.. :) Nothing cuter than my Princess Purr-laaa AKAS Kannibal Kitty walking around meowing cooing w/ a caught Barbie doll She's soo cute.. It's the REAL Addams Family.. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent
Re: OT: the honest kitchen
Yeah, them doggies is piggies! Love, Lilibet Squeekietoy Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Aug 11, 2007, at 9:48 PM, Susan Dubose wrote: Actually, I had the price wrong. I was going by what the salesboy behind the counter told me today. Here is the website info.. Available Sizes: 4lbs $48.00 makes 15lbs. of fresh food 6 oz Travel Size $6.50 makes 1lb of fresh food 1 oz Mini Sample $1.00 perfect for a taste test It doesn't look like they have a 10lbs. size for cats, just dogs. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Susan Dubose To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org ; asr Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 8:56 PM Subject: the honest kitchen A new pet food, made from raw ingredients. It's dehydrated, so, just add water and voila! It like kitty space food. www.thehonestkitchen.com The Prowl formula is for cats. It's also $70. for 10lbs., but I bet that goes a long way. I picked up some free samples today while in Tomlinson's. And while I'm on this subject, Wellness has a new pouch food. I picked up some of each flavor for the felv+ gang for Kelly Kaye- Bear, my 15 year old. We shall see tomorrow if it gets 2 paws up or 2 paws down. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent
OT but about info on how skin can heal re: the 'hotspot' on Stretch's back
Dear Wendy--and everyone: For detailed information on the different ways that skin wounds can heal, please read Burn Unit by Barbara Ravage, chapter 11: Healing. It is a wonderful, detailed book on the history of burn treatment, especially the work of Boston City and Massachusetts General Hospitals after the Cocoanut Grove fire. The chapter on healing applies to more than just burns. The whole book is about more than just burns. My dear friend Meggie's dad was in the Cocoanut Grove fire. He was in public relations and that night he and his wife were accompanying his client Buck Jones, a western film star. The fire began in the basement room, the Melody Lounge as the main floor waited for the 10:00 pm floor show to begin. Buck Jones and Meggie's dad's wife were killed but Meggie's dad managed to escape with serious burns. (My mother told me that Meggie's dad's first wife went back for her mink--but who knows?) Meggie's dad met Meggie's mom when he was recuperating at Mass Gen. She was a volunteer there. Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Aug 9, 2007, at 9:49 PM, wendy wrote: Thanks for the tip Chris. I will keep that in mind and watch how this thing heals in the next couple of days. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Chris Behnke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2007 5:50:33 PM Subject: RE: Update on the 'hotspot' on Stretch's back Just be careful with the peroxide, it can actually prevent proper healing if used to much. Weird but true. I was doing that with Momma's back as well until I talked to the vet about it. I did notice that it worked great when I first started using it, but eventually the spot stopped healing. Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wendy Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 12:39 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: OT: Update on the 'hotspot' on Stretch's back Hey guys, Stretch's back is healing up quite nicely! Thank you for the advice! The spot was larger than a quarter, and it was just raw skin-no fur and the top layers of skin were missing; it was completely reddish, poor baby. I had already had him on a course of antibiotics, which I'm sure helped, but after reading advice from this site and another, I started using hydrogen peroxide 3-4 times a day to disinfect the spot, and immediately after, I would put antibiotic cream on her. The spot is now the size of a dime. It's healing from the edges in, instead of forming a complete scab. Weird, but nevertheless, it is healing, thank goodness! I really think that it might have been a spider bite instead of an allergic reaction, but we will never know. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ __ __ Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.10/943 - Release Date: 8/8/2007 5:38 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.10/943 - Release Date: 8/8/2007 5:38 PM __ __ Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7
Re: OT: Re: Susan D.
Wow! Best of luck in your new biz! Tee Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Aug 10, 2007, at 9:52 AM, wendy wrote: Hey Susan, You know what's funny? After my pet sitter asked me to take over her business a couple of weeks ago (she's moving to Mexico, so technically the business is already started, but I'm starting out new, so my learning curve is long right now), for some reason I noticed one of your links at the bottom of one of your posts, saw the word 'sitting', and clicked on it. Your website is great! I'm going to get with my brother and see if I can use his server and start my own website. Usually I don't click on the links, or pay much attention, so it was weird I saw the link. I thought, how coincidental! (The timing) It must be a sign. I am very excited and honored that my petsitter is handing her business over to me. I have my first sit tomorrow morning. Thank you for the offer for advice. I will definitely be emailing you off list with questions! :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 6:02:32 AM Subject: Wendy Hey, Wendy, I saw in your post where you are starting a petsitting business. Let me know if you have any questions, because that's what I do. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us.
My little Sammy went to Heaven
Dear Everyone: I'm so sorry to report that my dear Sammy went to Heaven on Tuesday morning. He had gone into Animal 911 the evening before. He felt quite warm and when I took his temperature it was 106 so off we went. He stayed overnight in the ICU, hydrated, etc., and I knew he was in the right place that night. His WBC count was dismal, his RBC's were dismal, he was very quiet when I picked him up to move him to Berglund for continued care. After discussion with the ICU folks, who felt that the lymphoma once again had the upper hand, I knew it was time to say farewell and I made the decision to have him PTS over at Berglund. We drove the five minutes to Berglund where I was met by his Auntie Head Tech Linda and Auntie Dr. Val. I had picked up a beautiful little baby blanket earlier in the week-- blue and white cotton knit with a small ruffle around the edge, lined in soft white fur, and Sammy was wrapped in that, in my arms. They agreed it was time and I'm pretty sure Sammy did, too. He was so tired for such a little guy, but he wasn't in pain, just so very, very tired. When Val put the sleepy meds into the IV on his wrist he went to sleep IMMEDIATELY. As she added the meds to stop his little heart she said, I love you, Sammy. Linda cut off some of Sammy's beautiful marmalade hair for me and Val put it in a little plastic bag. Linda made sure I got all Sammy's colors, too. I wrapped him back up and held him close and just sat and cried in the exam room, stroking his beautiful little face until it was time to give him away forever. Every so often someone would peek in to say how sorry they were. Linda said she was making a little paw-print disc of Sammy's little paw for me and, of course, I was having him cremated at St. Francis Animal Cemetery. My dad always buried the cats in our back yard but I cremate mine (even the tiny parakeets, who are each in tiny blue-and-white ginger jars). The little plastic bag of fur will fit right in the little St. Francis tin, with a picture of St. Francis on it and a little St. Francis animal tag inside. Poor Sammy, he was so very small--he'd lost a pound over the last twelve days--I could feel him growing cool so fast as I held him, I disliked that so! I've been staying close to home with the other kitties. I think we're all doing okay. The other kitties always knew Sammy was very seriously ill and we were allyuuu===(hello, Charlie has jumped up, purring, to see me and let me hold him tight while I write to you all) doing all we could to help him stay well, but he was overcome. And now we're overcome. I'm sure he was met by that great Big Brother in the sky, my giant kitty and champion kitten-adorer Jack-Jack, who went to Heaven last March before the triplets arrived on July 1st of last year, and all the other cats my parents and I have had over the years. Think of how many kittens and cats will meet us again someday! Thank you all for everything you have given me and how much you have helped me and the kitties, Tee 'n' the Remaining Wildlife (Lilibet Squeekietoy, exemplary kitten- big-sissy, Billi Bi, reluctant, peeved [I'M the baby!] eldest brother, and the 2 Orange Boyz, great big Charlie, AKA Twinkie (he's twinkie-colored and was teenie when he was small), and Teddy Baby Pooma (he was so little--he still is--I told him he was a baby puma to make him feel big and strong). Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. 958
Re: Moe has taken a turn for the worse...
Poor baby Moeman! Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Aug 10, 2007, at 10:22 AM, Caroline Kaufmann wrote: Beckie: Make sure you give him some water or water mixed with gravy is good- immediately after you pill him- to help him swallow it and so he's not swallowing it dry. If you have a syringe or a dropper- either will work. It doesn't have to be much, just enough to wet his whistle. I always gave my Monkee some warm water after each of his pills. -Caroline From: Beckie McRae [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Moe has taken a turn for the worse... Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 08:42:43 -0500 Well Moeman has gotten REALLY sick again. He’s got huge bumps ALL around his neck, like he’s wearing a collar or something, but he doesn’t. I called the vet and explained to her that since I’ve already had him in there 3 times, I couldn’t afford to keep bringing him back and asked for Clavomox (spelling?). When our other cat McGhee was really sick like this that’s what she had and we would notice a difference in her in a matter of hours. The vet said it would upset his stomach and make him more sick. She said to try to give him a benydryl (again spelling?) and see how that goes for the weekend. We gave him 25mg last night, and he FINALLY went to sleep. I seriously don’t think this poor little thing has gotten a good night’s sleep in weeks. He’s CONSTANTLY scratching, or licking, it’s bad. So when we got up this morning he seemed to be a little perkier, but not much. Hopefully the benydryl will work and he’ll get his strength back. Only thing is we have the pills, and I feel HORRIBLE when we give them to him. Mitch has to hold him by his neck, then I have to pry his mouth open, etc….I’ve tried crushing it up and putting it food, but he knows it’s there and won’t touch it. Even wet food, which is like a treat for him! Any ideas on how I could crush up a pill and have him take it without even knowing it? Thanks guys. I swear, sometimes I wonder what I did before I found you all. Beckie See what you’re getting into…before you go there
Sammy's fever is 106!
Well, Sammy went back to the Nice Ladies at Animal 911 because when I took his temperature this evening it was 106. He had been hiding yesterday morning and then staying in my mom's room and not following me and/or his brothers around all day. So he's staying the night and I'll pick him up for another blood transfusion at Animal Emergency in 5-1/2 hours. I just got home from Animal 911. Little one needs prayers. Nitie Nite, Tee Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation.
Re: My little Moe man.
Those little guys are the limit! One of the 3 Orange Boyz, Charlie, wants to be Top Cat (and there are already two others--one is my big baby tuxedo boy Billi Bi, who wants to be the only baby, not those stupid red babies! Poor little Billi. He is such a sweetheart! He had to have an operation to reroute his little pee pee because of recurrent FLUTD and the fur is just growing back there so he looks like a guy in furry black chaps--it's hilarious! But he is much happier and pain-free now and the cool thing is he had reconstructive plastic surgery so he still looks like a boy so his fragile male ego is still intact--and not some strange little girl! Can you believe it? Well, back to Charlie, who started life as Twinkie because he was Twinkie-colored: cake on the top and filling on the bottom! And he was teeny to boot. Well, now he's huge and obnoxious. It's just me me me all the time! He pees in the bathroom sink and poops in there, too, which is better than when he really gets pissed because he's not getting enough attention: he pooped on my cd/clock/radio TWICE! Fortunately it survived nicely with a delicate cleaning with paper towels, q-tips and cat cleaner. So I figure the bathroom sink is better. And, of course, he also uses the cat boxes. What a wacko. My advice? Don't close the bathroom door if you can get away with it. When he can come and go he'll feel more secure, sigh, and lavish him with attention, too. They usually are scared of the shower sound, anyway, and will dash out. Hugs and kisses, carrying him around. I've been doing that with Charlie. AND I've been calling him Twinkie, too. He likes that, I think. Does he pee and poo in the same location in the kitchen? Put some peepee pads down and live with it for awhile for now. Better than pooping in your clock radio! Love and kisses, Tee 'n' the Wildlife On Aug 2, 2007, at 11:18 AM, Beckie McRae wrote: Hi everyone. Thanks for the responses. I had them do blood work on him, and its fine, he’s eating like a cow, and drinking like a camel. Something that I discovered today is that it’s NOT him going to the bathroom in the kitchen; it’s our OTHER FLV+ cat, Miles. Now Miles is about 4 years old, seems perfectly healthy, eats and drinks, plays, etc. I HAVE noticed that last couple of weeks though he’s been being REALLY affectionate, and I haven’t been able to spend as much time with him and Holly (our 5 year old cat who does NOT have felv) as I usually do because I’ve been so busy with Moe. Is it possible that Miles has started to use the kitchen as his own personal bathroom because he’s jealous of the attention that Moe is getting and trying to get our attention? I KNOW it’s Miles, because he didn’t hear me get up this morning, and Moe was lying on my pillow next to my head (like he normally does), and I got up went out to the kitchen, and he must not have heard me, because I caught him red handed doing his business. I made loud noises, and stuff, but I don’t know why he’s doing this. He has been acting kind of weird. Like if we’re in the bathroom taking a shower or using the toilet and the door is closed, he’ll sit outside it and just HOWL. Never did this until a few weeks ago. I figured it was because he was worried about Moe, but now not so sure. Also, how much does heat effect felv? We LOVE the heat, and try not to use the air conditioner, but it’s going to get pretty warm here in the next week or so, and I was just wondering if I should turn the air on for the cats? Thanks again everyone. I’m so glad I found you all! Beckie
Re: Vaccinating kittens of unknown status against FeLV?
Poor baby Sox. It's so painful when a little one dies. Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Aug 2, 2007, at 11:11 AM, Malone wrote: I was told I didn’t need to test anymore by my vet that Sox was healthy, and he was vaccinated. I wish I had waited until he was a few weeks older, tested him, and then I would have known. He died at 9 months, and he had been vaccinated. His mother had FeLV, but at the time I didn’t know. She was a feral that wasn’t caught until the month after he died. All his litter mates died as well. I really still know nothing about this virus other than the fact it is heart wrenching to see a beloved pet die. I will always test. Now my baby boy, who has been vaccinated, has contracted the virus. He is healthy, and I try to learn from people here how to keep him healthy.
Re: WHAT DO I GOTTA DO TO BECOME A MEMBER?
Oh, no! Was it so long it w kicked back? THAT happens! Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Aug 6, 2007, at 6:29 PM, glenda Goodman wrote: Hey Guys, I just sent this long email to you guys and found out I'm not a member of this list...I had a rough day the day I found you guys and signed on...thought I was a member? I love you guys! Glenda __ __ Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/
Re: OT: need a little quick advice here...
Glenda, if the little wild orange guy Marmalade is clean can you--or someone else--take him? Sometimes a cat that seems wild in a shelter is merely scared to death, as for instance he calmed right down when you spoke quietly to him. Bless you for taking him to be tested. You've done a very good deed. If he is positive it does not automatically mean little Feeto (WHAT a superb name! I love it!) will get anything OR he may get something and throw it off. It's much easier for an older cat's immune system to throw off a virus than, say, a kitten given FeLV by its mother--their immune systems are hardly fully developed so it's harder for them to mount an immune response to invaders. By the way, this month's Scientific American has a big article on how cancer cells hijack the human immune system to use it for their ends and new chemotherapy protocols in the works. Extremely informative. Also a great learning tool about the immune system of mammmals like us AND kitties. Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Aug 6, 2007, at 7:18 PM, glenda Goodman wrote: --- glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 16:11:53 -0700 (PDT) From: glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: OT: need a little quick advice here... To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Hi Everyone, Well there are two subjects here I want to get advice and support on. Today my very wonderful vet called me to ask if I knew of a rescue facility that took FIV+ kitties. It seems a couple of her clients came in today and received the bad news that their two kittens had tested positive for FIV. She told me, the people who had the kittens were sisters and both very bright, educated gals...one being an attorney, even...so, obviously having good minds, I am hoping, they might give our group here a visit and be interested in learning, from this very progressive site...I will be talking to them later today and try to convince them not to panic and not opt to have their kittens put down. I do not know of any rescue groups that would take these kittens...This is what they had asked my vet, Dr. Kim Collet, here, in Scottsbluff, Nebraska, if she knew of a rescue organization they could turn these kittens over to. They do have other cats that share the household. The kittens are only about 12-weeks old. Can you guys flood me with some helpful information for these gals, so we can give them some hope for their kittens and make them realize there are options...I'm hoping they might be willing to sign on to this list,but if not I will at least forward them some good information from you guys... These two ladies are in their late twenties or early thirties...I asked my vet how old they were...We are here in farm country where 90% of the vets still believe, with all their heart, the only real option, is putting positive cats down... Now, for my second little problem I'm dealing with today: My pride and joy, kitty, Feeto, was at the base of my step, outside my door about 6-days ago. My son had let him outside...It was evening...I do know better than to let my kitties outside at night...but with my positive kitty and having to be on crazy schedules...and keeping everyone seperated, Feeto had been locked up all day. OK, well the worst happened...almost the worst...THERE WAS A STRANGE KITTY OUTSIDE IN OUR YARD. HE WAS VERY INTENT ON FINDING A GOOD HOME WHERE HE MIGHT BE LOVED AND FED. FEETO IS MY LITTLE HERO. HE TAKES CARE OF OUR YARD AND HIS KITTY FAMILY. FEETO CHASED THAT STRANGE KITTY AWAY. HOWEVER , BEFORE IT WAS OVER, THERE WAS A BATTLE. THE BATTLE GROUND WAS COVERED IN WHITE AND ORANGE FUR THE NEXT DAY. FEETO IS A BROWN TABBY WITH 24 VERY SHARP CLAWS. IT WAS OVER ALMOST BEFORE IT BEGAN, BUT I WAS SICK KNOWING THERE WAS NO WAY MY FEETO DID NOT SUFFER A BITE SOMEWHERE ON HIS BODY. A FEW DAYS LATER, I FOUND IT, THE BITE. FEETO'S CHEEK WAS ALL PUFFED UP. IT DRAINED THAT NIGHT AND THE NEXT DAY HE WAS ON ANTIBIOTICS...JUST TO BE SURE. A WEEK EARLIER I HAD BOUGHT A CAT TRAP AND HAD BEEN TRYING TO TRAP THE STRANGE CAT...NO LUCK UNTIL LAST NIGHT. WELL, TODAY, THE STRANGE CAT IS AT OUR LOCAL SHELTER. HE IS A PRETTY CAT , BUT THEY SAID HE IS IN WITH THE WILD CATS. HE WILL BE PUT DOWN. I WANT TO NAME HIM MARMALADE.HE DESERVES A NAME... HE HISSED AT ME LAST NIGHT, BUT SETTLED DOWN AFTER I TALKED, QUIETLY TO HIM. THEN THE POLICEMAN TOOK HIM AND HAULED HIM OFF TO THE SHELTER. I WAS TOLD THEY WILL KEEP HIM 3-DAYS. THEN HE WILL BE PUT DOWN. I AM VERY WORRIED ABOUT MY FEETO HAVING BEEN BITTEN, SO I HAVE GOTTEN PERMISSION TO TAKE HIM, MARMALADE, IN TO BE TESTED FOR FeLV AND FIV. I TOLD MY FRIEND, IF HE TESTS CLEAN, IT IS VERY SAD HE WILL BE PUT DOWN, A BEAUTIFUL AND HEALTHY CAT...HE ONLY NEEDS A LITTLE TIME TO BE SOCIALIZED. WE HAVE NO OPTIONS ,WHATSOEVER,HERE, FOR WILD KITTIES. MY BRAIN WILL BE WORKING OVERTIME ON WAYS TO SAVE THIS CAT, ESPECIALLY, IF HE TESTS NEGATIVE...MAYBE I CAN BUY HIM A LITTLE
Re: Thanks, Wendy!--OT, but what has been going on over here
Thanks so much, Tonya. Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Aug 6, 2007, at 7:41 PM, catatonya wrote: Good to see you back and glad to hear Sammy rallied again. tonya Taylor Scobie Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow! Thanks, Wendy! I kind of missed myself there for a while. What with poor little Sammy's FeLV and lymphoma and all the other things going on in my life I went into overload. Sammy went out of remission five weeks ago and was started on a rescue protocol and immediately went back into remission but last week-end, a few days after his second rescue protocol chemotherapy, he had an enormously hard time of it. The rescue protocol really took it out of him. His neutrophil count hit the skids, he was molto lethargic and his body temp went down to 95!--after he had been at his emergency vet, Animal 911, for a while!--so into oxygen on a warming pad with warmed fluids he went. It was touch and go, I was only allowed to look through the oxygen room glass for a very short time, and he stirred and cried when he heard my voice. Oh, my God, it was pitiful! We talked of the possibility of PTS and DNR in another room--away from little Sam, of course, and I went out to buy him, in tears, a beautiful little pink baby blankie to bury him in. But, bingo, he snapped back as his neutrophil count began to rise on its own, thank God! So, the FeLV has not hit his bone marrow (that was the crappy chemo) and he's working hard to keep his immune system perking. The next morning he had eaten (yum yum, baby chicken), was breathing on his own, and looked very perky but fatigued, I believe, as we drove to a 24-hour emergency clinic about five miles away--because he still needed monitoring and I wanted him to have oxygen availability. The emergency doc thought he looked a little peaky, however, and later that afternoon his RBC's dropped and he had a blood transfusion--whew! Talk about the little guy being in the right place at the right time! He came home Tuesday afternoon in his beautiful new pink Homecoming blankie! I called his internal oncologist, a wonderful woman by the name of Amy Wiedemann, DVM, ACVIM for those of you in the Chicago area, and she said he had always been anemic (well, not THAT anemic) since she met him nearly four months ago. She told me that she thinks Sammy is constantly amazing her-- because he is still with us here on Earth, sigh! Sammy is now on anti-nausea meds, which is like trying to pill a dragon/crocodile/little baby with about fifteen little clawed feet all paddling at me and anything in my hands away from his leetle mouf, which is clamped shut like a little parakeet's. So I called Animal 911 to see if I could bring him in for pilling and they said yes, we're mobbed. Come on in and we'll do it! So I bundled Sam up with his adorable little Big Sister Lilibet (Little Adoptive Mommy to the triplets) for company because she is so calm and off we went. Fortunately it's only ten or twelve minutes away on quiet streets. And they WERE mobbed! Yikes! I was there yesterday, Saturday, with Sammy's giant brother Charlie because I thought he had a bladder infection but it was just (always after the regular vet has closed) a tiny bit of intestinal trouble--just looked like it was from his bladder. Oh, my Lord! Plus both the washing machine and the DW have given up the ghost so I'm a virtual unwashed, unmade bed (and by this time I don't even notice!) with a sinkful of dishes, off to--finally!--buy W/D and DW for my mom's house on Monday. Next? Try all new windows, a new microwave, an oven that actually works, a new fridge. Yes, it's the joys of taking care of Elderly Mommy! Oh--and she lost more of her sight over the last month or so, too. And constantly watching over the little one. When are the trees going to start raining money, eh? Love to all of you from me 'n' the small, four-footed brood, Tee Don't you know that women are the only works of art? --Donald Henley On Aug 4, 2007, at 12:03 AM, wendy wrote: Taylor, Glad to see you! We missed you! :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Taylor Scobie Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, August 4, 2007 12:00:22 AM Subject: Re: I need information please Get your precious little girl vaccinated for FeLV. Don't put your boy down. It is hardly necessary. I'm always shocked when vets still feel that way--that is old thinking! Just because he tests positive for FeLV doesn't mean he will get sick right away. My kitty Mamie lived for ten years with FeLV. The absolutely main thing you must think of is no stress for little Basil. Of course
Re: Thanks, Wendy!--OT, but what has been going on over here
Wow! Thanks, Wendy! I kind of missed myself there for a while. What with poor little Sammy's FeLV and lymphoma and all the other things going on in my life I went into overload. Sammy went out of remission five weeks ago and was started on a rescue protocol and immediately went back into remission but last week-end, a few days after his second rescue protocol chemotherapy, he had an enormously hard time of it. The rescue protocol really took it out of him. His neutrophil count hit the skids, he was molto lethargic and his body temp went down to 95!--after he had been at his emergency vet, Animal 911, for a while!--so into oxygen on a warming pad with warmed fluids he went. It was touch and go, I was only allowed to look through the oxygen room glass for a very short time, and he stirred and cried when he heard my voice. Oh, my God, it was pitiful! We talked of the possibility of PTS and DNR in another room--away from little Sam, of course, and I went out to buy him, in tears, a beautiful little pink baby blankie to bury him in. But, bingo, he snapped back as his neutrophil count began to rise on its own, thank God! So, the FeLV has not hit his bone marrow (that was the crappy chemo) and he's working hard to keep his immune system perking. The next morning he had eaten (yum yum, baby chicken), was breathing on his own, and looked very perky but fatigued, I believe, as we drove to a 24-hour emergency clinic about five miles away--because he still needed monitoring and I wanted him to have oxygen availability. The emergency doc thought he looked a little peaky, however, and later that afternoon his RBC's dropped and he had a blood transfusion-- whew! Talk about the little guy being in the right place at the right time! He came home Tuesday afternoon in his beautiful new pink Homecoming blankie! I called his internal oncologist, a wonderful woman by the name of Amy Wiedemann, DVM, ACVIM for those of you in the Chicago area, and she said he had always been anemic (well, not THAT anemic) since she met him nearly four months ago. She told me that she thinks Sammy is constantly amazing her--because he is still with us here on Earth, sigh! Sammy is now on anti-nausea meds, which is like trying to pill a dragon/crocodile/little baby with about fifteen little clawed feet all paddling at me and anything in my hands away from his leetle mouf, which is clamped shut like a little parakeet's. So I called Animal 911 to see if I could bring him in for pilling and they said yes, we're mobbed. Come on in and we'll do it! So I bundled Sam up with his adorable little Big Sister Lilibet (Little Adoptive Mommy to the triplets) for company because she is so calm and off we went. Fortunately it's only ten or twelve minutes away on quiet streets. And they WERE mobbed! Yikes! I was there yesterday, Saturday, with Sammy's giant brother Charlie because I thought he had a bladder infection but it was just (always after the regular vet has closed) a tiny bit of intestinal trouble-- just looked like it was from his bladder. Oh, my Lord! Plus both the washing machine and the DW have given up the ghost so I'm a virtual unwashed, unmade bed (and by this time I don't even notice!) with a sinkful of dishes, off to--finally!--buy W/D and DW for my mom's house on Monday. Next? Try all new windows, a new microwave, an oven that actually works, a new fridge. Yes, it's the joys of taking care of Elderly Mommy! Oh--and she lost more of her sight over the last month or so, too. And constantly watching over the little one. When are the trees going to start raining money, eh? Love to all of you from me 'n' the small, four-footed brood, Tee Don't you know that women are the only works of art? --Donald Henley On Aug 4, 2007, at 12:03 AM, wendy wrote: Taylor, Glad to see you! We missed you! :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Taylor Scobie Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, August 4, 2007 12:00:22 AM Subject: Re: I need information please Get your precious little girl vaccinated for FeLV. Don't put your boy down. It is hardly necessary. I'm always shocked when vets still feel that way--that is old thinking! Just because he tests positive for FeLV doesn't mean he will get sick right away. My kitty Mamie lived for ten years with FeLV. The absolutely main thing you must think of is no stress for little Basil. Of course, that means Basil will be the most spoiled cat on the planet--but what are our darling pets for if not to spoil spoil spoil with love? You may want to consider finding a new, more forward-thinking vet to get the most positive, loving care for little
Re: these books look interesting.........
Little Sammy goes to his holistic vet for Reiki on Tuesday afternoon! Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Aug 4, 2007, at 2:18 AM, Susan Dubose wrote: Anyone read either one of them? Bach Flower Remedies for Animals : GregoryVlamis Animal Reiki: Using Energy to Heal the Animals in Your Life - Elizabeth Fulton; Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent
Re: 'the jacket'
Me too, me too! say the kitties here. Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Jul 17, 2007, at 11:12 PM, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO wrote: I would love to see the photos -- please email it to me if you could. thanks. Hideyo - Original Message - From: Jane Lyons To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 8:47 PM Subject: 'the jacket' Several weeks ago, after I got the Felv diagnosis, I had to stop letting MeMe go out. She was miserable and I was sure that the stress of screaming at the door handle was going to do the both of us in. I asked the list for help with enclosures and got a lot of great suggestions and photographs. Nina sent me a link for cat jackets and I thought that while I figured out what type of enclosure would be best, I'd try the jacket. Bingo It has been just fabulous. Now, rather than scream at the door handle, she screams at the jacket which is hanging on a hook next to dog leashes. Long story short, I put the jacket on and attach a retractable dog leash with a 10' line and large plastic handle. I lock the line open and put the handle in the middle of the yard. The yard is partially enclosed with a stockade fence which she had been able to crawl under or climb over. Now she has realized that crawling under or climbing over is a drag with the handle getting caught. She has tried many escape routes, but she has finally realized that it is impossible and that being confined to the yard is still better than being indoors all day. She now spends hours sitting near the bird feeder, or under a shrub. She comes to the back door to come inside to use the litter box, and then goes back out. If anyone is interested in it I have photos that I'd be happy to send. I had misplaced the link, but Googled cat jackets and there is only one company that makes them. My only complaint is the color choices. I ordered red and MeMe is humiliated by it and is sure the birds are laughing at her. As everyone knows, Nina is brilliant! Jane
Re: Isabella update ~ enlarged spleen not lymphoma!
I have read somewhere that there is a neurological disease that cats can develop that makes them really wacky when they are touched, but I have no idea where I saw it or read it. Is it called synthese;/ ]'(7sia or something. It's sensory overload. Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Jul 18, 2007, at 2:46 PM, laurieskatz wrote: Isabella has been to the specialist. Her temperature was normal and weight the best ever. She has continued to have tremors. She also has a very fast rate of breathing (70-80 BPM). A spine xray revealed nothing amiss. An ultrasound revealed a very enlarged spleen (suspects: lymphoma or red blood cell production). We got the asparate biopsy results and she does not have lymphoma. She is on tramadal, clavamox and prednisone (we switched back from prednisalone because she was frothing). We are going to decrease the pred in case it is the cause of her tremors and or fast breathing (it CAN cause this in dogs). She seems happy except for the tremors. They almost resemble a seizure. If the pred decrease does not stop them, we will try an anti-seizure med. Vet has no idea why she cries out when we touch her or pick her up. More as we learn more. Laurie
Re: OT - Meena and the wild cherry!
Thank you for Meena--I needed that cheer! Great photos! Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Jul 19, 2007, at 7:56 AM, Melissa Lind wrote: Loved the story! What a bright start to my morning! This brought a much-needed smile to my face! Thanks! Melissa -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 10:55 PM To: felvtalk Subject: OT - Meena and the wild cherry! These are some of Rescuties' kittens. Not my fosters, they are being fostered by someone else. Cute though! http://www.beaderie.com/kittens/meena_and_the_mad_wild_cherry/ -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
Re: Monkee is gone
Dear Caroline, I'm way behind reading everyone and replying, as you can see by the date on your original post. I'm so sorry you lost your beloved Monkee (with the super name). And you know what? You didn't fail him. You gave him years of a brand new happy and loving life, with a loving mommy and grandmommy, too, which he clearly reciprocated. I understand the traumatized part and I understand the guilty part, too. I'm also guilty when a little one passes away: Did I do enough? Was I perceptive enough? Was I always there for him when he needed me? Did he get the right toys, outside time, Dr. visits, food, etc., etc. It's just endless, really. But then you have to remember how his life would have been if he hadn't decided to be that little wild man in the courtyard of your building and you hadn't decided that it was time to bring that darling little ragamuffin back into civilization. He still loves you. He'll love you forever. He'll be there in Heaven to welcome you when you join him years and years and years from now. He'll come to visit you during the day, he'll come to visit you at night in your dreams. Maybe you'll be doing the dishes or the laundry, not thinking about anything in particular, really, and you'll hear his little voice or feel his soft little body rub against your leg. Love and purrs from all of us, Tee, Lilibet, Billi Bi, Sammy, Teddy and Charlie Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Jul 16, 2007, at 10:47 AM, Caroline Kaufmann wrote: My beloved cat Monkee passed last night in my arms while I held him with my Mom standing next to my side. At about 2:30 a.m. We were going to take him to Dr. Maier's for euthanasia this morning at 8:00 a.m. I thought he could make it until then and that he wouldn't want to go to a strange emergency vet clinic he'd never been to before for his passing. I didn't know he was that bad. I feel so bad. It was so horrible. He was having some trouble breathing, but I was usually able to calm him down by holding him and giving him flower essences. He had begun to have trouble walking and he would cry at me really loudly when he wasn't able to do something he wanted to do because his brain was not getting enough oxygen (like walk around). I didn't want him to be in pain or suffer and I feel like I failed him. He did go really quick, but I was hysterical as it was happening. We were on my bed and I was holding him. He took a last gasp of air and then he stopped. When his body when limp, I felt like I might die too. I think the only thing that helped me and my mom was that she has rescue remedy with her and we both took it right away. It sounds odd to say that, but immediately after it happened, I felt a sense of peace-- for him. I think the rescue remedy helped my breathing at that time. I just held him afterwards and talked to him and pet him and kissed him for about two hours. I told him how wonderful he was and that I would never be the same without him. I walked around the house, sat with him on the porch he loved so much and took him outside for his last time to hold him while sitting on the front steps. I have never had an animal die in my arms like that and to have it be my best friend-- the best companion I've ever had...my heart just feels like it's wrenching in half. I feel guilty and traumatized. I am having a hard time erasing the memories of his passing. When I close my eyes, I see his face as he took his last breath. I don't how to recover from that. I've never been lonely since I had Monkee and now that he's gone, that loneliness is crashing in. I hope all of you are able to continue to care for your cats and give them the peace and love that they so desperately need. I admire those of you who take care of multiple FelV cats and have lost some in the past and continue to keep doing the work that you do. My thoughts and my prayers are now with all of you and your babies. I felt like I didn't have the mental energy to devote many of my prayers in the past few weeks to any cat other than Monkee, but I will be praying for you now. I also wanted to remind everyone that you never really know the power of what love can do for a cat like Monkee, until you experience it. When I found him, he was a crazy, dirty, little ragamuffin eating doves, baby rabbits, and whatever else he could catch in the courtyard of my law school apartment complex in Northern Ky 4 years ago. And four years and 1 month ago, I couldn't take his living it up in the killing fields- as I called it- anymore. It took so long to get him to be a somewhat normal cat. Something bad must have happened to him because he was already neutered when I found him, so he had to have belong to someone. He was deathly afraid of men and it took until probably about this past year for
Re: I need information please
Get your precious little girl vaccinated for FeLV. Don't put your boy down. It is hardly necessary. I'm always shocked when vets still feel that way--that is old thinking! Just because he tests positive for FeLV doesn't mean he will get sick right away. My kitty Mamie lived for ten years with FeLV. The absolutely main thing you must think of is no stress for little Basil. Of course, that means Basil will be the most spoiled cat on the planet--but what are our darling pets for if not to spoil spoil spoil with love? You may want to consider finding a new, more forward-thinking vet to get the most positive, loving care for little Basil. xxx, Tee 'n' the Wildlife Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Jul 16, 2007, at 10:22 PM, Malone wrote: I read all the posts, so I can learn how to deal with this virus. I lost my kitten at 9 months, and apparently even though he was vaccinated my 4 year old has tested positive for felv. He was diagnosed 4 months ago and shows no sign of illness. My vet had recommended putting him down. I just couldn’t lose both my boys in one day. I am so thankful I didn’t because Basil is fine. My question is about the ability to fight off the virus—does this really happen? Has anyone on this list actually had a felv+ cat that kicked the virus? What should I expect and what should I be doing to help keep him healthy? I tried to separate my felv+ boy and felv- girl, but they howled and cried something fierce. They have been together since they were kittens. I let them mix, and she is still negative. I read the information about blood tests, and I get confused. Basil’s blood work seems normal, other than the fact that he tested positive. Thank you.
OT--drooling kitties!
My Mamie used to stand on top of me in the AM and knead--and drool in my face! I love it! Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Jul 10, 2007, at 7:42 AM, Susan Dubose wrote: Ah, I LOVE it when they drool when you pet them...! How funny that Merlin always goes back to your house whenever possible :) I have a cat Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: elizabeth trent To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 8:36 PM Subject: Re: Need help ASAP with a kitty Susan, you are an absolute angel :0) Four of my seven babies were feral. I had a $450 stray too --- Merlin. Poor thing had abscesses on both sides of his face -- he was so skinny and beat up. We got him all fixed up and gorgeous. Someone in the neighborhood adopted him after that. I never mentioned all the vet bills. He was a dear love - and anytime he got to go outside for any length of time - he would make a bee line for Liz's Kitty Boutique and Day Spa :0) (my front porch) All of my seven babies were either abandoned or totally feral. Sweet, dear Shakiti was SO shy it took months and months to be able to pet him. He's my precious little boy now and lets me hold him like a baby now while he drools on my shoulder LOL He curls up with me any time I take a nap -- he loves his mommy. If he so much as hears another human voice though -- he will hide and you won't be able to find him either until the big bad strangers are gone. I've never insisted that my babies allow me to pet them either. Slow and steady -- no sudden moves and lots of love. They all seem to come around in time..but sometimes it takes a very long time. I can even brush and comb all of mine now. I caught Othello once to take him to the vet's -- but that may not ever happen again LOL They are SO smart! Othello is the mighty hunter -- he's the fastest and the sneakiest. Zulu -- totally feral boy who dines at the boutique will run if he sees you through the door or window any closer than six feet. Evenso -- that is progress! :0) It takes a lot of patience with these dear ferals -- but every bit of time spent is worth it. elizabeth
Re: Appetite issues and Monkee update
Run to the grocery and get some whitefish and broil it yourself! and put some butter on it! Yum! Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Jul 10, 2007, at 12:44 PM, Caroline Kaufmann wrote: We will try these suggestions. Thank you. I guess I will be shopping again after work! Dr. Maier said to start Monkee on the Nutrical, so my mom is picking that up for me today. I fed him human tuna and tuna water over the weekend from the can, but as of yesterday, he'd only eat one piece. Of course, he eats a ton of my broiled whitefish though! But I can't keep getting take-out fish for dinner every night for Monkee! I forgot that I had a few cans of AD from when Monkee's anemia first started. He only ate that when he was really really down and as soon as he started feeling better, he wouldn't eat even one bit of it. But since I have some cans already, we will try it again. I did syringe feed him last night- but all I have is a 1 ml syringe, so it takes forever! I took advantage of the fact that he is so good for pilling, etc. and tried that last night. I had been syringe feeding him his colostrum mixed with water since I couldn't get him to eat a whole meal, I didn't want to waste a colostrum pill by adding it to food he wouldn't eat. That way, I felt like I could make sure he got water too. But last night, I probably added too much water and it took about 10, 1 ml syringe-fulls to get all the colostrum in him! He was so good though! So then I did the same procedure to get some of the beef/ chicken livers gravy I'd blended up in him. We have tried hand-feeding and what my mom calls community feeding- where I sit on the ground with him and talk to him, hand him pieces and pet him- which he usually loves. But I tried that this morning and it's like he tries to fake eat by just licking some gravy just to get me off his back! Even in his weakened state he is still too smart for his own good! The funniest thing about all this for me is that, since he won't eat a whole small can of food, I never give him one- usually just a half. The other half that Monkee never touched- I HATE wasting it and throwing it away. My neighborhood has these neighborhood strays (not feral, just friendly strays who've been taken care of by the neighborhood) that a bunch of us watch over, feed, water, etc. They have all been fixed by a lady up the street who started this whole street-cat thing. The issue regarding these cats though is a whole other can of worms that I am not ready to get into yet because I rent and worry about what will happen when I move, but for now, they are very well taken care of, safe and happy- even if they are outdoor cats (which I don't believe in). I have been feeding them for about a year since I moved in and figured out they were strays and there are two of the 6 cats that seem to prefer the food I give them so they are almost permanent fixtures on my front stoop now, with a few others who sometimes visit for food if they are extra hungry, but routinely come for the water that I change everyday. Anyway, instead of always just getting fed cheap 9 Lives dry food- which they love- these two now get Monkee's rejected premium food! They've been fed AD, Fancy Feast, and as of yesterday, the Wellness wet food! It drives my mom crazy, but I'd rather some cat (even a rag-a-muffin stray!) eat that food than just throw it away! -Caroline From: Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Appetite issues and Monkee update Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 12:17:13 -0500 hi Caroline, I am sorry Monkee is a bit under the weather again. Try the baby food, but only the turkey or chicken w/ gravy mix. Try PetGuard brand cat food if you have it there, it's usually @ Whole Foods or other health food stores. The fish, chicken liver formula is quite tasty to cats. And the beef mix has LOTS of juice. Try a product called Mix It by Science Diet. It is the dog food section @ PetSmart w/ the moist foods. It is for either cats or dogs, but they keep it w/ the dog stuff. Try Pro Plans moist food, the sardines in the aspic is quite gross, but cats LOVE it. It is chunks of sardines in some kinda slimey sauce. Try Sardines, try tuna. Try Pet Gold Gourmet Tuna for cats, LOTS of gravey. This is only available @ the pet food specialty stores. I guess the vet has also tried the A/D moist food for cats? Only available @ the vet. Last of all, have you tried syringe feeding him? Some cats get to the point where they will only eat if hand fed, even if they are feeling better. I usually mix up baby food w/ a squirt of Nutri Cal in it. It is good to feed the best quality of foods to him, but @ this point, you have to find out what he will eat, even if it is junk in your eyes, and
Re: FelV+ kitty that needs a home
RE: feeding, I would get a syringe from the vet if it has rounded edges at the tip--softer for that little mouf! They also sell syringes for human babies in the baby section of drug stores. They probably have rounded tips. Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Jul 10, 2007, at 1:46 PM, Susan Dubose wrote: I agree, a sanctuary situation is always the best and purrfurred option. However, GOOD sanctuaries are hard to find, and not only stay full, but usually have long waiting lists. I just don't buy into the thinking that Any life is better than no life, like one vet told me that was very radical rescuewise. There are worse things than death, like living on a chain w/ no food, water or contact if you are a dog, being a breeding machine, (this is the scenario that made her make THAT statement) or living outside as a sick cat, too weak to protect yourself. Having found sick / injured cats / kittens before along the road covered in fireants, but too weak to move, REALLY, REALLY sucks. If someone is fostering a symptomatic felv+ cat, and can no longer keep it, and all options have been exhausted as far as placement, I certainly would not think badly about them if they had it euthanized. It would be better than putting it outside. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 12:56 PM Subject: Re: FelV+ kitty that needs a home Well, first I would determine if she is actually FELV+, since one positive test doesn't mean a whole lot. If she is FELV+, I would seek sanctuary placement for her, but that's just me. Yahoo!
Re: just bummed
One not-heartbreaking thing is the fact that little MeMe has you to care for her and by your very caring she is better than otherwise. Did I mention bovine colostrum from a health food store? It smells just like vanilla ice cream and most of them will lick it right off the end of your finger--just wet it and dip it in the powder. You can also take it yourself--it is an immune system booster used for humans as well. I have a friend who had her colon removed on it daily. When my precious 3 Orange Boyz were still being bottle fed they didn't care for First Born either. They wanted the other stuff but it didn't have colostrum in it, soi I was stumped. I finally gave them the straight colostrum from my finger, yum yum! Start with 1/4 cap--it's rich and we don't want litle barfing kitties, that's for sure. You can work up to 1/2 cap if possible. Giardia is tough to quash. Keep at it! Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Jul 10, 2007, at 4:40 PM, Jane Lyons wrote: This disease is really awful. It seems as though we take a step forward and then two steps backward. I thought we had finally gotten rid of giardia, but we are back to diarrhea. We are also back to swollen glands. We are still making progress with stomatitis and a runny nose is now an every other day event. It is so heartbreaking to see this sweet little cat not feeling well. Marylyn, I did get First Born (powder) but she does not seem to like it. I have been mixing it into wet food, but she will not eat it. She has been on so many antibiotics without much success. I had been so hopeful that I could get her to a 'symptom free' state, but it is not happening. We still have IR to do. I just hope something will work. As always, any ideas are appreciated. Jane (MeMe is from an impoverished 'colony' situation. She is about a year old. I have had her for four months and she was diagnosed by my vet about 6 weeks ago)
Re: Update on feral kitty
Bless you, Wendy! Now the little darling won't be so alone. Glad your 82-year-old aunt was in on it with you! Best of luck with the spouse (been there, done that)! Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Jul 11, 2007, at 1:11 PM, Susan Dubose wrote: A, Wendy, what an ordeal for you the kitty. I am so happy that you were able to help her, you rock. Please keep us posted on how she is doing. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org; HyperT feline- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 8:27 AM Subject: OT: Update on feral kitty Hi guys, Well, it has been an interesting 2 days. I was not able to check my email at all until now after I posted I needed help. But, help was provided asap in the form of a woman in Target, where I went to buy tuna and other items for the trapping of the kitty. She was wearing a red shirt, and looked like she might be getting off work, so I stopped her and asked her if she worked at Target and she said no, but she might be able to help me, and I told her I needed string and why, and wouldn't you know it...she does kitty rescue! So she was very helpful and made me feel more confident about what I was going to do. She actually works at the Petsmart next door. What kind of luck is that?! Well, after about 9 hours, I was able to trap this sweet kitty. I started around noon and sat for 2 hours with string tied to the door of the cat carrier, about 10 feet away, and she just would not go in. You should have seen my face when I gave up, walked up on my grandma's porch and out of the corner of my eye spotted this metal thing that looked suspiciously like a trap. I felt so dumb, as I had seen that trap there for many years, and I guess I just forgot about it. It's old and rusty and not my first choice in trapping this furbaby, but it worked. She was finally trapped that evening with a little help from sardines. She has been a real trooper. She drove with me and my great aunt who is 82 all the way back to Texas, and she is now in my kitty litter room, a room off our garage where we normally keep all the litter boxes. She of course is not very happy but is not very scared of me. She has walked by me a couple of times and actually started purring really loudly this morning when I came to visit and talk with her and try to entice her with food. She isn't eating yet, but did seem interested in the tuna, so I am hoping when I go back in there in a couple of hours, she will have eaten something. I have explained what happened and told her over and over that I will not hurt her. She is so sweet. You should hear her meow. She is not aggressive at all, but I do not want to try to touch her until she has gained some trust in me. She has a kitty carrier with a blanket over it, and it's dark in there, which is for right now where she prefers to be. I have water, dry food (what she normally eats), cooked chicken, and tuna sitting out for her. I am putting Calm Away in her water. Any suggestions from anyone who has dealt with ferals are welcome. As for the other kitties, yes, I told my uncle that he should not have done what he did with the other two; that they are used to being fed and even if they did catch the mice for food, that there are only so many mice. However, he had just lost his mother, so I had to be fairly gentle about it, which was probably best anyway. He doesn't hate animals; he's just ignorant about caring for cats as many people are who don't have experience. I couldn't get in touch with him the next day when I went out to the house, so while I was trying to trap the kitty with the real trap, I left and drove around the area looking for a farm. No dice. I did call the local feral rescue group and spoke with a very nice lady, who was helpful in trapping her, but she is full up and could not help with any of the kitties. I had less than 24 hours to deal with these 3 cats and am lucky to have been able to trap the one that was left. I do not know what I can do now for the other 2, being over 1100 miles away, other than pray that they find a food source. If he dumped him somewhat close to the house, there is a water source (a lake) nearby. The woman I spoke with from the rescue said they are probably trying to make their way back home, so there's no telling where they might be. Wish me luck on my journey with this new one.
Re: Wallace with the angels now
What a beautiful photo of your beloved Wallace. Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Jul 11, 2007, at 2:10 PM, dede hicken wrote: Jean, I am so sorry for your loss. And a deep loss it is. I am tearing up just reading your touching story. My little Ki left me on June 30th. He was only 14 mo old. His brother, Chi has started coming into the bedroom with us. Chi looks a lot like Wallace. He is a pistol like Ki, and is really full of it. Yes, they are in good company, but it is so hard to let them go. Blessings, Dede --- Jean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings, folks. I'd like to thank everybody for the support and suggestions through my Wallace's brief-but-terminal illness. I'm sorry to report that he left this world on July 4 at 6:40PM, in my arms. My LJ post is here: http://lyonessnyc.livejournal.com/68839.html and a portrait I'd taken last year is here: http://lyonessnyc.livejournal.com/69444.html I love digital photography, and it's made great portraits of my kitties possible. If you try, make sure you have a macro function (it's usually the little flower on a button) so you get their little faces in focus. This is a wonderful group of people, and I'm grateful for all the help and support I got. I joined because I was trying to help a FeLeuk cat (not mine) find a home, and one of you wonderful people took Aries in and from all reports, he's happy and healthy. I salute the good work you all do, caring for these kitties. Again, thanks. -Jean __ __ Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food Drink QA. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545367 When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 __ __Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/
Re: OT--drooling kitties!
What a cool little guy! Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Jul 11, 2007, at 9:48 PM, elizabeth trent wrote: Lately, Phlelix has taken a liking to classical music. He boldly gets out of bed -- walks over to the remote for the wave radio...steps on the on button...then comes back to bed to cuddle like the sweet baby he is :0) What a good boy LOL On 7/11/07, Taylor Scobie Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My Mamie used to stand on top of me in the AM and knead--and drool in my face! I love it! Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Jul 10, 2007, at 7:42 AM, Susan Dubose wrote: Ah, I LOVE it when they drool when you pet them...! How funny that Merlin always goes back to your house whenever possible :) I have a cat Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: elizabeth trent To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 8:36 PM Subject: Re: Need help ASAP with a kitty Susan, you are an absolute angel :0) Four of my seven babies were feral. I had a $450 stray too --- Merlin. Poor thing had abscesses on both sides of his face -- he was so skinny and beat up. We got him all fixed up and gorgeous. Someone in the neighborhood adopted him after that. I never mentioned all the vet bills. He was a dear love - and anytime he got to go outside for any length of time - he would make a bee line for Liz's Kitty Boutique and Day Spa :0) (my front porch) All of my seven babies were either abandoned or totally feral. Sweet, dear Shakiti was SO shy it took months and months to be able to pet him. He's my precious little boy now and lets me hold him like a baby now while he drools on my shoulder LOL He curls up with me any time I take a nap -- he loves his mommy. If he so much as hears another human voice though -- he will hide and you won't be able to find him either until the big bad strangers are gone. I've never insisted that my babies allow me to pet them either. Slow and steady -- no sudden moves and lots of love. They all seem to come around in time..but sometimes it takes a very long time. I can even brush and comb all of mine now. I caught Othello once to take him to the vet's -- but that may not ever happen again LOL They are SO smart! Othello is the mighty hunter -- he's the fastest and the sneakiest. Zulu -- totally feral boy who dines at the boutique will run if he sees you through the door or window any closer than six feet. Evenso -- that is progress! :0) It takes a lot of patience with these dear ferals -- but every bit of time spent is worth it. elizabeth
Re: Isabella update and homeopathic recommendations
Susan, do you have any idea of the dose of spirulina? Thanks from me 'n' the kitties Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Jul 6, 2007, at 2:00 PM, Susan Dubose wrote: Laura, I was @ my vet this morning, so I went ahead and picked up a package of Missiing Link. I have been meaning to try it on my felv+ gang, as well as work it into my other group of kitties eventually. Right now the nonfelv cats just get the brewer's yeast sprinkled on top of their dry food, which again is the Evo mixed w/ Core. Ok, both formulas say veterinary formula on the package. One package is gold, while the professional strength is on a silver package. The professional strength says it is for Recovery Detoxification. This is only available @ the vet's. I didn't have time @ the vet office to compare both packages to see what the ingredient difference was. But listed they have probiotics, carrot alfalfa powder, yeast, freeze dried beef liver, kelp, dandalion root, garlic, yucca as well as spirulina. I am interested most in the spirulina, I take that and I believe it helps me. A friend of mine had a felv+ cat that she gave spirulina to years ago, and the vet was amazed that he threw the virus. Hard to tell if he was just one of those cats that does, or if the spirulina actually helped. Another friend had a kitty that ate some of the bad pouch Nutro food that was going around, and went into renal failure @ the age of 3 years. He recovered after 2 weeks @ the vet and lots of sub Q's helped, but she also mixed up a batch of spirulina and some other things for him to get. She gave it to him orally, it was a liquid. Not sure how he is doing, I need to call her and see what it is that she was giving him. I paid $21. for one pound of supplement,must be kept in the fridge after opening use within 90 days. I will let you know if I see any difference in my felv+ cats, which as of now (knock on wood) are not symptomatic. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: laurieskatz To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 12:14 PM Subject: Re: Isabella update and homeopathic recommendations Susan, great idea. I will check into itthanks for this suggestion, Laurie
Re: Birds, also, feliway....
Foxy and Hobbs are playing fort! Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Jul 5, 2007, at 5:49 AM, Susan Dubose wrote: Hobbs is an orangish tabby, probably more buff colored. Orange tabbies are the best I did see him 3 times on the 4th. Maybe he was Liberating himself form under the couch in the cat room. All I saw was his butt, though, scampering back under the couch when he saw me... :( He is living under there w/ Foxy Brown (she's the foxiest brown in town). She is a long furred tortie that was thrown out of a car onto a busy highway here in Austin a few years back. She was rescued by a policeman, but was injured pretty bad. She has never quite gotten over her fear. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Taylor Scobie Humphrey To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 12:15 AM Subject: Re: Birds, also, feliway Dear Susan: What color is your little Hobbs? He'll probably come around with all the love in your house! He sounds like a really tough little guy! Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation.
Re: goodbye.
Ya know what? I don't mind repeating things! Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Jul 1, 2007, at 3:34 PM, Jane Lyons wrote: I'm not sure what is going on here, but for a new person (me) it is very sad since I've come to rely on this list as a lifeline for my Felv positive cat. I use two vets, one of them well known nationally, and neither of them have the knowledge and experience that you guys (collectively) have of Feline Leukemia. This is a priceless resource, especially for people like myself, who come here shell shocked and need to hear the reality from the frontline, not theory nor statistics. My little cat, who came from an over burdened colony situation, having been thrown on their porch from a moving car, is so much better and it is largely the result of the information that I got here. Also, I was so grateful to be able to express the grief and fear I initially felt, knowing I was with people who really loved their cats, and who would (hopefully) understand. It must be difficult repeating the same information over and over again, and having to adjust to a lot of personalities and dysfunction, but if the bottom line is helping cats, your time is not in vain. I came here four weeks ago with a kitten suffering from giardia, stomatitis, very badly swollen glands, constant sneezing, runny nose, diarrhea and very poor appetite. I am happy to report we now have formed stools, no swollen glands, an occasional sneeze and wet nose and a ravenous appetite. The stomatitis seems to be healed on the bottom of her mouth, although the top is still red, but not as inflamed as it had been. For the first time in her little life she seems comfortable and very content. I hope things here can be worked out. We are very grateful to all of you. Jane (and a much improved MeMe) On Jul 1, 2007, at 3:36 PM, elizabeth trent wrote: Maybe when you stop being an air head and an @$$ you will come back. Love ya M.C. elizabeth in alabama, phelix, antonio, tiffany, lexie, tori, shakiti, othello On 7/1/07, MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: enough. if you want to talk with me, you know where i am. MC -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Immunity to FeLV?
Mary Christine, Feh. Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Jun 30, 2007, at 1:12 PM, MaryChristine wrote: yes WE do know that there is more than one strain. and if WE didn't know before yesterday, when sally posted the most up-to-date version of the merck veterinary manual's section on FeLV, WE should know it now. and if WE really wanted to know, simply do a google search for, strains of FeLV. THIS is why this list is no longer the incredible resource it once was. incomplete, inaccurate, out-of-date information; wrong information consistently being REposted; an absolute inability to look things up in the archives or on-line so that the same discussions are continually recycled, with the same people having to put out corrected information to counter the bad. way too much chit-chat that has nothing to do with FeLV and belongs on the OT list. pleh. -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Birds
Susan, you write absolutely the BEST letters! So fun! Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Jun 30, 2007, at 1:44 PM, Susan Dubose wrote: I forgot to mention, I have a cat that raised in a birdcage, like a bird. He came from another hoarding situation (pseudo rescue person), but he was only from 60 to 70+ cats. I got Runes when he was about 12 weeks old, very malnourished and he had what my vet called the worst case of ringworm that he had ever seen, in 40+ yrs. THAT'S a lot of ringworm. Anyway, Runes is still a bit skitty after all of this time, but when he is eating, you can sneak up on him and stroke his back. He will then chirp like bird... :) Think that there is a connection? Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 7:44 AM Subject: Re: Birds There is a wonderful tape of birds, squirrels, etc that Ebony and Mitu loved. They had a stool in front of the TV in the bedroom and frequently I got requests in the middle of the night for a private viewing. Ebony would sit on the stool just waiting, knowing I would put it on for him and his little girlfriend. I need to try that with Dixie but she enjoys the sunroom and lots of wildlife there. I saw no mention of old orange juice in shallow pans (birds and butterflies). Milk weed is a wonderful plant for attracting Monarch butterflies (don't know if it grows in Texas or not but the Monarchs sure could use some help). What is a disappearing fountain? If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis
Re: Birds
We checked out the website and boy, are we excited now! Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Jun 30, 2007, at 5:30 PM, Susan Dubose wrote: Have you seen the kitty show ones ? www.kittyshow.com It's bugs crawling on top of a glass table, shot form underneath w/ birds crickets in the background Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 3:27 PM Subject: Re: Birds I have one of those videos; my cats LOVE it! Mine is titled Video Catnip. I'd like to get a better one because this one is in 2 sections, and the first section is music instead of the actual noised the birds make. I need a DVD format also since mine is VHS. :) Wendy --- Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have seen those DVD's, I plan to get a few once I am finished being settled in. My felv+ room, which is also the office, library, has a tv w/ couch and a bathroom. That way the felv+ cats can have their own water source. It's an old house (1953) w/ 3 HUGE bedrooms, which helps. The non felv+ cats are still waiting for their tv, which probably will be Xmas. A disappearing fountain is an old urn that he has, (pretty big) beautiful moss. On top he has placed a fish fountain that shoots the water out of it's mouth. The water then goes into the urn which is full of rocks, and dribbles down the side, disappearing into the water reserve @ the base. Which is covered by rocks also. Very pretty. The back of the house is entirely windows, from floor to ceiling, so it's quite a nice show w/ the birds butterflies are feeding. And of course, watching the squirrels try steal the food is fun too. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 7:44 AM Subject: Re: Birds There is a wonderful tape of birds, squirrels, etc that Ebony and Mitu loved. They had a stool in front of the TV in the bedroom and frequently I got requests in the middle of the night for a private viewing. Ebony would sit on the stool just waiting, knowing I would put it on for him and his little girlfriend. I need to try that with Dixie but she enjoys the sunroom and lots of wildlife there. I saw no mention of old orange juice in shallow pans (birds and butterflies). Milk weed is a wonderful plant for attracting Monarch butterflies (don't know if it grows in Texas or not but the Monarchs sure could use some help). What is a disappearing fountain? If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis . Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ __ __ Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/222
Re: Ki is an Angel
What a great guy! Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Jun 30, 2007, at 5:55 PM, Susan Dubose wrote: And thank you. When I lost Serenity, I felt like the floor opened me up and swallowed me. Like I said, I had only had her 5 months, and my vet and his wife (who have several felv+ cats, and Dr. Smith is constantly doing research, even @ 73 yrs.) warned me that when she becomes symptomatic, she could go very fast, it just depends. I was s glad they were there for me. Felv+, I have been told, can kill a cat so many different ways... Or, their body can go, but the mind is sharp as a tack. I have a good client that has only had felv+ cats, his limit is 3. The reason being, 4 is an unlucky number for him, if he has 3 and gets a 4th, one dies really soon afterwards. He is an international pilot for UPS, and has been for 25+ yrs. (cha ching$) He is down to one felv+ cat, and he has sworn off. Ever seen a very big, macho Texas man cry like a baby while holding his cat @ the vet's? Not pretty. The good thing is, he only has been working 10 days per month (10 days on, 20 days off), and when Chairman Meow leaves him, he plans to work more and donate a lot more money. In otherwords, he has been just working his minimum to be w/ his cats, but once they are all gone, he will fly more and of course, have more money. Right now he is a very big donor, always there for my project kitties. When he retires in a few years, he really hopes to start a sanctuary, and he will have a lot of people to help him. I don't know, I have always said that, it takes a very special purrson to have a felv+ cat, unconditional love, also.. LOTS of people are even afraid of them. I recently had 2 people over on separate occasions that would not even enter my felv+ room, they just looked through the door. They were really afraid of taking it home to their cats. I understand that it is a very delicate virus I just call them my little bubble kitties. :)... Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 3:53 PM Subject: Re: Ki is an Angel Thanks Susan. I know you are right. One can only take so much exposure to Corona when your immune system is not so great. I just don't get why some get it and some don't. I suppose if I could answer that, I'd get the Pulitzer. I will always wonder, though, if I had isolated him with a smaller number of catsOh well, I will never know. And here i was worried that he'd infect someone. They are so fragile. Sorry about your little one, too. Ki came to me in July, too. He was only 12 wks old. It just takes time, I guess. Dede
Re: Birds, also, feliway....
Seems to work for us! Get it at RevivalAnimal.com to get the cheapest. Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Jun 30, 2007, at 6:56 PM, Susan Dubose wrote: Well, he has actually gotten much better, it kinda comes goes.. Isn't it funny how the house ferals will run from you when you walk towards them, but you can sneak into your bedroom and they are asleep on your pillow, or rolling around on your dirty clothes that you tossed on the floor? (Yes, folks, I am a slob)... It's like they REALLY want to be petted loved, but it's s scary. :( As for Feliway, I have had heard lots about it, and I know folks who use it, but they cannot actually tell me if it works or not. What do you think? Does it work for you? I have considered it, but it's pretty pricey and I always think heck, that's a cat spay or whatever. But if I knew it would work, I certainly would pony up the money Let me know your thoughts, folks... Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 5:43 PM Subject: Re: Birds No (that is too dear to take away) but it should help with the skittishness. It makes you smell like a cat (or so the theory goes). It really helped with the Royal Princess Kitty Katt (rehomed from my Mom's). It certainly helped establish a safe area with her.not the awful smell of the terrible person who catnapped her from her chosen person. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Susan Dubose
Re: Immunity to FeLV?
Oh--and nicknames, too! Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Jun 30, 2007, at 6:59 PM, Susan Dubose wrote: Yes, I feel like I have a science project going on, w/ these 12 cats, which originally were 14. LOVE the name of your kitty. Kitties shouls always have fancy names, formal names of course the your in trouble name.. ;) Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Gloria Lane To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 5:45 PM Subject: Re: Immunity to FeLV? Well, it's all very confusing anyhow, especially if you have other things going on (like I'm losing stuff right and left today). I think the info we get here about people's personal experiences is so valuable. I've just learned not to get too paranoid about FELV, to take good care of my cats as best I can, and when I need the info I ask you guys or look it up and hope I get the right thing. I have three 10-11 yr old FELV cats, and one 4 yr old. Gotta have them re-tested, they're just so dern healthy. And I know that's fortunate - Monday is the 3 year anniversary of sweet Callawalla Banana Boo-boo going to the spirit in the sky. I was up with her all night, and at 3am took her to the emergency clinic, which was $300 and worthless, and she died in my arms as I carried her back into the house. Gloria
Re: Isabella's blood work and other Qs
I've seen no difference in Sammy when he has been on Interferon. Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Jun 30, 2007, at 9:25 PM, laurieskatz wrote: Hi ~ I am resending this in hopes for some feed back. (I will read the info about meds as suggested). I know of a human on interferon who is very lethargic. Do people see this with cats on interferon? I ask because Isabella is most active after we give fluids but generally pretty laid backwould appreciate any input ...thanks! Laurie Hello and many thanks to all who responded (what a knowledgable and supportive group). Q: Is the immunoregulin something I would use **instead** of interferon? For those who responded about Revolution ~ we won't use this again. One of my cats with allergies responded very negatively to Advantage. So, I just have to hope we keep fleas at bay. We are 100% indoors but I work in my wildlife friendly yard and understand I could bring one inside. What is IM, please? Isabella's counts were as follows: (numbers in parens are normal ranges) WBC 3.65 (5.5-19.5) HCT 20.6 (30-45) RBC 3.72 (5-10) HGB 8.1 (9-15.1) GLOB (globulin?) 6.2 (2.8-5.1) Total protein 9.1 (5.7-8.9) Her Neut(?), Eosiniphils and PLT were all below normal MCHC and MCH were above normal The numbers that were desginated as being most dramatically off were: Glob, Neut,HCT, RBC. MCHC and MCH Any input greatly appreciatedthanks! Laurie - Original Message - From: cindy reasoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 7:38 AM Subject: Re: new here ~ feleuk+ cat with high temp Laurie, My cat Smokey had the same problem with fevers. After many different stays in the hospital and 1 doctor at my vet's office that didn't really seem like she wanted to help Smokey I changed the vet he goes to. The new vet started him on the immunoregulin. She had me give it to him subq. It says IV but Smokey would have never let her or me do that. We started giving him injections 2 times a week for a month or so then gradually decreased the dosage. Now I give it to him once a month. It has been well over a year since he has had a fever. I hope this might help you with Isabella. I won't use Revolution anymore. Back in May we went camping and I took my diabetic cat (Katie) with us. I used it because I was worried about mosquitoes getting into the camper. This was the first time I had ever used it. I know Katie had a reaction to it because she developed diarrhea. She didn't have it before I put it on her. Her skin became really flaky too. I hope your Isabella starts feeling better soon. Cindy Reasoner
Re: Some of us are so new to this all.
I'm with you, Malone. Reposting for a newbie doesn't faze me at all. Taylor Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Jul 1, 2007, at 1:09 AM, Malone wrote: There are some here that are new to this virus. We don’t know much. That is specifically why I came to this site to learn. I am so sorry that distress was caused over reposting of material. I can say I for one have been reading and researching everything I can get my hands on. I am very saddened that some find it intolerable to understand the stress that newbies might be under. I have never had a sick cat—I have been very blessed. But I feel doubly blessed to have people who are willing to share information with me even if it is the hundredth time they have posted it. I know only basics about this virus and understand less. I need help and information and I thank all that have shared.
Re: Birds, also, feliway....
Dear Susan: What color is your little Hobbs? He'll probably come around with all the love in your house! He sounds like a really tough little guy! Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Jul 1, 2007, at 1:30 AM, Susan Dubose wrote: In my old house (2 months back) I only had covered litterboxes w/ clumpable litter. In the new place, I have 4 of the HUGE blue tote types from Lowes, that are transparent, w/ Yesterday's mews. 3 of the HUGE clear ones w/ clay mixed w/ crystals, and one low rider that is pretty big w/ the same mix. This is in the enclosure area. In their room, I have 3 covered boxes w/ clumpable and one in the their bathroom w/ clay plus crystals. I did this so they would have a few choices. Litterbox behavior has gotten much better, but there are few, like Pugsley, that enjoy peeing on things and 2 that poop right in front of the boxes in the cat room. One is my 15 year old, who use to ALWAYS have very good litterbox habits. I have the lower litterbox in the enclosure for a fairly recently acquired cat that has no back legs, which, at this point, I never see. He's a hider, was in his former house. He was abandoned @ the area Humane Society as a tiny kitten, and went home for fostering w/ one of the staff. He caught URI, had to be medicated, and apparently that made him fearful and he wasn't the same friendly, sweet kitten that he was originally. He pretty much lived under her bed, pooping under there too. She would see him occasionally but only @ night. She has very long work hours, and is also in a band that tours, so, not much time to try and change his behavior. I took his as a favor to her probably to him, as well. At least at my house he can have more room and have exposure to the outside in the enclosure. (I really think that the access to fgresh air has really helped my cats all around health, especially the chronic ones). I didn't care about the litterbox thing, whether he used it or not, my enclosure is stained concrete w/ a high gloss finish, the cat room bathroom is tile and hardwood in the masterbedroom. These are the cat areas. Livingroom is no cat zone as well as kitchen. (I had a stove peer @ the old house, and they actually set my kitchen on fire twice. Another long story). Anyway, Hobbs was born w/ only stubbs for backlegs, very sad. But he can REALLY haul kitty butt when he wants to. He also loves other cats, he is a cat's cat, if you know what I mean. As far as litterboxes, I would prefer no clumpable, I think it's a bad idea, but the cats seem to really prefer it over anything else They will have to be weaned, I guess. I will try this Feliway, maybe it will be the answer to my cleaning prayers.. Hey, a girl ( a kitty girl ) can dream. :) Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 10:25 PM Subject: Re: Birds, also, feliway Re litter box issues: Make sure you are using unscented litter without the blue pellets. My cats, Dixie and those who have left, will not tolerate the perfumed kind. This is logical if you are a very few inches from the litter, kicking it etc. The blue things contain germicides that, as one company says, causes no trouble most of the timeI don't deal with most of the time. Try using Rubbermaid or knock offs boxes without lids. They give more room (important for ferals particularly--they are vulnerable when and don't like to feel closed in/trapped) and have high enough backs that a cat who has trouble (for any reason including I just don't want to) can urinate without getting it all over the place (I learned this when Ebony was getting older and had a physical problem that made getting down difficult). Yes, the Feliway may help. It was designed for pee-problems. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis
Re: Birds, also, feliway....
I just bought a bunch of Feliway at Revival and it's got the best prices. Petco will set you back bigtime. You are something, Marilyn. You do so much for little Royal Princess Kitty Kat! My dad's cat (he passed away eight years ago) just passed away himself, of kidney failure. He was up there in age, but still, it was a shock, especially to my mom, to have him go, poor beautiful long-haired black dear kitty. But he missed my dad so. He cried every night in Dad's home office hoping he'd return and here's the cool thing: when I moved in with my mom 1-1/2 years ago he stopped crying. I was just enough of my dad to make him feel much better. Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Jun 30, 2007, at 10:14 PM, Marylyn wrote: It has to be their idea. I have had some wonderful ferals but they are not house cats as we normally think about them. They are very self sufficient and, when they decide to give you any sign of affection, much less kitten kisses or purrs, you know it is genuine. I have used Feliway and am convinced that it works get. And it has worked with several cats. My regular vets use it in the cat area of their clinic. I really don't believe I would ever have persuaded the Royal Princess Kitty Katt to come out without Feliway. She chose to move in with my parents and was my father's cat until he left this world. Then her whole world turned on end and she became my mother's cat (same house just a different person as 1st person). I was the one who always caught her and clipped her nails, gave her meds, took her to the vet's etc when I came in from Louisville. Finally Mom decided she couldn't take care of Kitty and that she should live with me. This was no where in Kitty's plans and, in fact, was Kitty's version of hell. She lost her job (taking care of Mom), lost her nice quiet house in the country with electric heat and a stay at home person to live in the city with forced air gas heat, a working person with very irregular hours, a mailman who came to the door, all the different scents and noises...I went so far as to replace the furnace and a/c before she came so she would not have to tolerate that. I slept on the floor for three months working with her and trying to get her to come out. The Feliway let her relax enough that she started coming out when I was asleep and things worked out from there. The price has really come down. I don't know if you have checked lately but, compared with what I originally paid for it, it is dirt cheap. It makes you smell like a cat and provides comfort to the little ones. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Susan Dubose To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 6:56 PM Subject: Re: Birds, also, feliway Well, he has actually gotten much better, it kinda comes goes.. Isn't it funny how the house ferals will run from you when you walk towards them, but you can sneak into your bedroom and they are asleep on your pillow, or rolling around on your dirty clothes that you tossed on the floor? (Yes, folks, I am a slob)... It's like they REALLY want to be petted loved, but it's s scary. :( As for Feliway, I have had heard lots about it, and I know folks who use it, but they cannot actually tell me if it works or not. What do you think? Does it work for you? I have considered it, but it's pretty pricey and I always think heck, that's a cat spay or whatever. But if I knew it would work, I certainly would pony up the money Let me know your thoughts, folks... Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 5:43 PM Subject: Re: Birds No (that is too dear to take away) but it should help with the skittishness. It makes you smell like a cat (or so the theory goes). It really helped with the Royal Princess Kitty Katt (rehomed from my Mom's). It certainly helped establish a safe area with her.not the awful smell of the terrible person who catnapped her from her chosen
Re: Some of us are so new to this all.
Doesn't bother me to repost. I'm on the Feline Lymphoma list, too, and sometimes I get my sites mixed up or write things I've already written, so as you see I've become a crazy cat lady (sigh). Ask away. Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Jul 1, 2007, at 1:09 AM, Malone wrote: There are some here that are new to this virus. We don’t know much. That is specifically why I came to this site to learn. I am so sorry that distress was caused over reposting of material. I can say I for one have been reading and researching everything I can get my hands on. I am very saddened that some find it intolerable to understand the stress that newbies might be under. I have never had a sick cat—I have been very blessed. But I feel doubly blessed to have people who are willing to share information with me even if it is the hundredth time they have posted it. I know only basics about this virus and understand less. I need help and information and I thank all that have shared.
Re: OT list ~ Elizabeth
What on earth is going on? Sometimes people chit chat to relieve anxiety. For instance, my kitty is FeLV+ AND haas mediastinal lymphoma. Plus I have the requisite pile of other things going on in my life, just like everyone does, not all of which are just hunky- dory, believe me. So if I've been chit chatting, it's to relieve anxiety linked to having a little one who was just one year old YESTERDAY who has been ill for three months out of his tiny life already with these two feline scourges. Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Jul 1, 2007, at 4:17 PM, laurieskatz wrote: Please don't leave Laurie - Original Message - From: elizabeth trent To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 1:01 PM Subject: Re: OT list well, if this is the rule by James or whomever...maybe I need to leave the list. i'm not going to another list. elizabeth, phelix, tori, tiffany, antonio, lexie, othello, shakiti On 7/1/07, MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: from the introduction to the OT group, which was started years ago so that james didn't have to keep telling us that we'd strayed off topic, and to return to specific things relating to FELV. most special-interest lists do not allow chit-chat or off-topic posts, because there are enough other places for that. many lists will ban people who consistently go off-topic, and good lists have died out because the topic has gotten lost in social interaction that belongs elsewhere. this isn't MY opinion or rule, it's pretty much the norm. Welcome, fellow FELVTALK member! This is the email list for talking about OFF TOPIC things. Please continue to discuss Feline Leukemia on the other list, we are not moving the list, this is for OFF TOPIC chit chat that tends to happen on the other list, and clutters it up, making it harder for people to find the real info about FELV over there. Hopefully everyone will bring Off Topic stuff to this list! -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: To Caroline: Re: Anemia Issues
Thank you, Hideyo Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Jun 29, 2007, at 8:00 AM, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO wrote: Indeed - I know it's hard -- but we need to do our best to give all the love and joy we can give as they certainly deserve it-- when I was losing eight kitties one after the other.. I was overwhelmed with the depression --and eventually, I learned to live in the moment.. I loved all of them like there is no tomorrow -- hold them and tel them how beautiful they are.. the pain we are going through is only temprary and we will always be together no matter what -- there is nothing that can separate us -- There was a quote I saw some place goes something like. Stop telling God how big strom is, but start telling storm, how big god is.. something like that.. I just try not to think of how big the pain and sorrow is.. but strated to think how big and powerful our love and bond with each other is.. much love, Hideyo - Original Message - From: Susan Dubose To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 5:40 AM Subject: Re: To Caroline: Re: Anemia Issues Wise words, Marylyn... Wise words... Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 4:07 AM Subject: Re: To Caroline: Re: Anemia Issues Please do not grieve too much before it is timeit will take the joy of having Sammy and the others with you now away. It is so very difficult but try. Live each moment with the wonderful little ones. That is how they do it. One moment at a time. When it is time to grieve go ahead and loose it . There is no shame in tears. If we live every minute dreading the death of a loved one we have no time for joy. And we are all dying. Everyone of us started dying the minute we took our first breathe. Bless you and Sammy and his brothers.bless all the little ones and their best friends. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis
Re: To Belinda: Re: Anemia Issues
Dear Caroline~~ What a great story about little Monkee and his excitement about getting raw chicken livers! All over the kitchen is right! Too funny! Yuck bigtime! And I know exactly what you mean by getting weak in the knees--although instead of cutting up chicken livers, which are pretty icky anyway you look at them raw, let's be realistic--except I did when my favorite vet ever, Dr. Berglund (since retired, darnit, although sometimes he'll fill in for someone, yay!) asked me if I'd like to watch an operation on a big lab. Of course I said yes and about 1/3rd of the way through the operation his head tech Linda said, You're doing really well. We've had people just slide right down the wall in a dead faint. Then something was said about the blood THAT I WAS LOOKING RIGHT AT and I got a little weak in the knees myself. But I didn't fall down and I was there for the entire op. You're a goood catmommy to little Monkee, Caroline. Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Jun 29, 2007, at 10:17 AM, Caroline Kaufmann wrote: I talked to Dr. Susan Maier (holistic) yesterday. I was having a lot of trouble myself remaining positive and I was doing a lot of crying this week about Monkee's anemia situation. She said that Monkee's has a really strong life-force and he looks really good and I need to stay positive because the blood transfusion will buy more time for her remedies to work. I asked about reversal of the anemia and asked her to look at the records of the blood results from his CBC on Tuesday at Dr. Daley's. I asked if she could tell if he had regenerative or nonregenerative anemia based on those. She said his regenerative values were all within the normal limits, but that no, she couldn't tell from the blood results. However, she told me if the anemia is brought on by the chemo, it's usually regenerative (and can thus be reversed); if the anemia is brought on by his actual Feline Leukemia, it's usually nonregenerative (and usually irreversible). I said, I guess that is why Dr. Daley talked about doing the bone marrow biopsy, because that would be the only way to really examine the marrow and be able to tell what is going on with the RBC, right? Dr. Maier said yes. I said, of course, we aren't doing a bone marrow biopsy, but now I FINALLY have a better understanding of what is going on. I know Dr. Daley is a good Vet, she's just so clinical, and soo cerebral that I don't think she explains things the way I need things explained to me. And it's not that I am dumb, it's just that this is my first FelV+ cat- and unlike her, I haven't been through this (sadly) a million times with other FelV+ cats. Also, when I am sitting there crying my eyes out at what she is saying to me, I really need her to slow down and talk to me like I am a dumb baby! So, I am kind of having an issue with that right now. Dr. Maier said that I can call her anytime to bounce ideas off of her or ask for clarification about something so I thought that was very refreshing. I have also put a call into Monkee's original Vet, Dr. Jones at the Cat Clinic of Louisville- for him to call me to discuss us returning to him for primary care since Monkee's main problem now is anemia and not cancer. I haven't heard from him yet. But his office is only 5 minutes away, so the stress on Monkee is decreased. Plus, he only treats cats and so the stress of the sound of dogs barking is also eliminated for Monkee. Dr. Jones just has a really good bedside manner that I think Monkee and I both really need right now. Dr. Maier suggested that I feed Monkee raw, lean hamburger meat and chicken livers to help his anemia. I was shocked because I am a vegetarian so I NEVER buy meat, much less handle it, but I had to suppress my disgust and do it for Monkee. Our first foray into this realm was traumatic- for me. The chicken livers really freaked me out. When I was cutting them up the first time, my legs got weak and my knees felt like they might buckle, but Monkee was sitting on the floor looking up at me licking his chops, so I had to pull through, so as not to faint and fall on top of him Needless to say, he LOVES it! I think I gave him too much last night- probably because I was losing my mind while cutting everything up- and I was worried that I overdid it and he couldn't eat it all, but he cleared his plate! The same this morning. It's hilarious to watch him eat the livers because, even though I have been coating the place with paper towels, he will pick up a piece and shake his head around to help break it up (like a dog) and he so he gets blood and liver juice (yuck) everywhere! I swear he's doing it just to freak me out! But he is so happy getting raw food, I think that, in and of itself, is
Re: To Caroline: Re: Anemia Issues
Caroline, I'm in the same boat with my little Sammy. He and his two brothers (triplets--I raised 'em from infancy with no catmommy so they are my tiny kidlets--who knew they'd be cats!?) were negative for FeLV and then at nine months Sammy had really alarming big swollen glands like--poof!--one morning and after tests found out on Monday that my tough little character was FeLV+ and on Tuesday that he had lymphoma. Tears, tears. He has gone out of remission after nearly three very good months and now he's got at most two months with a new chemotherapy protocol and I am trying not to lose it here. At least thank God he will see his first birthday and that of his sibbies. So far his sibbies remain FeLV- and I just don't know how they will be without their sib in a few months. Or how I will be, for that matter. I'm a wreck already, of course. Thinking of you, your mom and your darling Monkee, Taylor and the 3 Orange Boyz (my babies) Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Jun 28, 2007, at 12:06 PM, wendy wrote: P.S. Chemo can cause anemia. I don't know if I mentioned this or not. :) Wendy --- Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Hi everyone. I wanted to provide an update on my FeLV pos. and lymphosarcoma cat Monkee. He saw his Vet yesterday to determine whether the Epogen had helped his anemia. The news was very bad. Apparently last week, when the anemia started, his Red Blood cell count was 13%. After a week ( 3 doses of the Epogen), his RBC count was actually worse, 10%. However, Monkee’s White Blood Cell count is normal (it was down last week) and his lymphocyte count is normal. Dr. Daley also found a lymph node in his groin that is enlarged (but it can’t be felt from the outside- it runs along the artery in the leg). His Vet said she thinks the FeLV is causing the problem, or it could be the lymphosarcoma, but when pressed, she said that she honestly doubted it was the cancer. She presented 3 options: (1) a bone marrow aspirate/biopsy to determine what is going on at the cellular level; however, it is invasive and Monkee would need sedation- which he couldn’t get anyway while so anemic (so he'd need a blood transfusion 1st, just to be able to do the biospy); However, the biopsy, in her opinion, would probably just tell us it’s FeLV causing the anemia; (2) a blood transfusion to literally buy me more time with him; (3) try another dose of chemo in hopes that the anemia is being caused by lymphosarcoma, although, as I said previously, she doubted it and that was a shot in the dark. My mother and I did not want to put this cat through chemo again (although he did very well with the first round). But now that he is actively anemic, there was no way I would do it, especially knowing that Dr. Daley really didn’t think the chemo would actually help the situation. We also didn’t want to put him through a bone marrow biopsy that would probably tell us what we already know, but don’t want to admit…that for four years, I had the healthiest, beefiest, toughest cat in the world, who never even suffered from a urinary tract infection; who was so healthy, I wanted to test him a 3rd time this summer for FeLV because I was sure he didn’t have it….To now, out of nowhere, in a span of 2 months, we have gone from that, to a severely anemic, suffering, FeLV cat with lymphosarcoma. Dr. Daley gave him days. Days. Which my mom and I were not prepared to hear at all. I mean, he is eating, drinking, using the litter box, he is thick (he was slightly overweight to begin with, so that is helping him now). Yes, he’s not “Monkee” as I have known him, but he just doesn’t look to me like he’s on his last leg. When we questioned her on the “days” prognosis she explained that due to the FeLV virus, and the anemia, his body is not making RBC and his brain is not getting enough oxygen and although he seems okay now, he is dizzy, lightheaded, probably having vertigo, and all of that will continue to get worse because his body is not manufacturing RBC- which carry oxygen in the blood, and eventually, his eating/drinking and making it to the litter box will all drop off. We asked what could be done and she said, if you “are not ready yet,” she recommended the blood transfusion, which will give him about two weeks, and then the benefits of the transferred blood will wear off and he will start suffering the anemia symptoms again because his body is not producing it’s own RBC. She also said that morally, with FeLV cats, she will do 2 blood transfusions, and then that is it. It is fighting a losing battle and that is as far as she will take it. I was wrecked and my mother was crying too. I decided to pull myself together and still take Monkee to the Holistic Vet, Dr. Susan Maier, after we left Dr. Daley’s. It was our first visit and I thought, I am so desperate right now, it can’t hurt. A funny story about this
Re: IR-sub Q???
Just a little note, Dede, to say that Spud is such a superb name for a cat. And eating like a little piggy, he is apparently living up to his name. And, I'm sure he's a couch spud, too! Good luck with little Ki and the IR. If you've seen it subQ on the list, hey. After all, Interferon is subQ for people and given orally for cats. Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Jun 28, 2007, at 1:15 PM, dede hicken wrote: Wendy, one other thing, my vet said the IR has to be given IV. I heard on the list that youcan do it sub Q. I canNOT do IV. Vet said she had never seen IR work, but like everything else, it depends on the cat and the circumstances. Spud, my FIV had an HCT of 12 in Feb. Treated for toxo, gave linotinic, prednisolone (for severe stomatitis) and niacinamide. His HCT is 22 now. Not perfect, but doable. He eats like a pig now. BTW, m also giving Ki B 12 injections. Can't hurt. Dede --- wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank goodness for that! I hope that the IR breaks those fevers. I have a good feeling, after witnessing Smokey's situation via Cindy, which was very touch-and-go, that things will be good for Ki too! :) Wendy --- dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you, Wendy. His fever keeps going up and down, but not down enough. The IR should be here tomorrow, and so should the blood test results. He is still not eating, but I am feeding him the liver shake. Between that, and the fluids he is nicely hydrated. She also put him on linotinic. I am trying to keep him cool, by sponging, and a fan. Wish I had a cooling blanket. He doesn't seem any worse, infact, he is moving around more. --- wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IR dosage for 8 lb. cat is .25 to .5 mL. The generic for IR that Revival Animal has is EqStim, I believe. I think you have to get Epogen through your vet, but not sure on that. It goes under several names (Procrit, etc.) :) Wendy --- dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just got back from the vet. She put him on Delta Albaplex. It has several antibiotics and prednisolone. We are to use it for 5 days. Took blood. She said it looked thin. His gums are OK, but it looks like he is amemic. I called Revival. The IR is only 5ml. How much do you use at a time? Where do you get epogen and how much is it? Vet didn't know about it. She is not optimistic, of course, but is doing her best, I believe. Say a prayer for mylittle guy. Dede and Ki When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 __ __ Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food Drink QA. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545367 Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ __ __ Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/ When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 __ __ Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545469 Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ __ __ Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/ When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 __ __ Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/
Re: OT: Staff infection treatments
I agree. I was going to say the same thing: it depends on the strain of staph. If it's MRSA you have to really get out the big guns, and fast. Staph can easily be deadly. Humans sometimes need to mainline antibiotics. Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Jun 28, 2007, at 2:54 PM, MaryChristine wrote: not offhand, gloria, but i think a lot of it has to do with what strain of staph--that's the one that is rapidly developing resistance to EVERY antibiotic in humans, and i expect it's the same thing in critters. On 6/28/07, Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Susan, also on this list, has a cat that has been diagnosed with a STAFF INFECTION on his foot. THey've tried 1 antibiotic, but no luck. I've done some searches for alternative /holistic treatments and found: Colloidal Silver, Golden Seal (my personal favorite for everything), hydrogen peroxide followed by Panalog cream, Neem oil (cream) , etc etc. Anybody have any suggestions for treating Staff? Gloria -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: something is killing my cats, please
I love tuxedos, too. My first cat, when I was very little, was a tuxedo. I named her Marie after the lady who checked us out at the A P! I also love the fact that your cats can spy on each other! Plus all the other stuff. What crystals do you use to collect negative energy? Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Jun 28, 2007, at 3:58 PM, Susan Dubose wrote: Whatever it takes, is what I say, Marylyn. In my felv+ room, the cats have their salt rock lamp, their airpurifier w/ ionizer, soundscapes music playing 24/7, their Drinkwell, and their healing crystals immersed in water to collect negative energies. And even if I am wrong and it does not work, what is the harm in trying? Their room, which is also my office library, has windows all along on 3 sides where I have install birdfeeders outside for their enjoyment, as well as birdbaths. Except where there is a door to the outside, which goes to the cattery where they can spy on my other cats vice versa.. I only have 4 felv+, but I plan to always have 4, make sense? And one of my 4, Lillian, came from a hoarding situation a few months back. She was in a house w/ 185 cats, some which were felv+ and allowed to mix w/ the non felv cats. I took in 14 for a temp foster situation, (it was suppposed to be 2 or 3 days, until transport to Dallas could be arranged) and lo behold, once we started testing spaying general vetting, the last cat I tested was felv+. So now I have 12 cats (one passed to mega colon seizures) for another 2 months of quarantine. I will have had them 2.5 months July 1st. What I will do if anyone of the others turn pos. I am not sure, I guess just deal with it. It was a very hard exposure, 14 cats in a small room for up to 30 days before we had the chance to get them all tested. At the time we took them, we had no idea there were felv+ in the mix. Lillian, the one pos. cat, is now living the high life in the felv+ room w/ Ursula, Princess Naughty Lola Papillon (AKAS Pappy).. She is an adorable tuxie. I love tuxedos. I have 6. What can you say about a cat that is always dressed up in his / her party clothes? Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent
Re: something is killing my cats, please
Oooh! Love those kitties! And their loving kittymommies! Thanks for a GREAT letter! Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Jun 29, 2007, at 3:51 AM, Susan Dubose wrote: I use some crystal eggs from China, that are sold @ my local New Age store. They are kinda irridescent in color. The hard part is keeping the cats from drinking the water, so I have to put them up high. When my cats had living room / kitchen privileges, (they have been revoked due to bad behaviors. :( kitties would drink the water and then go on a tear.. So, I think that it must have been working, only just don't let them drink the water.Make sense? They are also not allowed to listen to swing music while I am out, last time they did they tore up the house, swing dancing I guess...? Only soundscapes, classical or reggae. And they are not allowed to watch the Animal Planet while I am out, too scary for them. One night I was up late watching it, and Princess Pearl (she is a tiny tux) was w/ me (see earlier post about her previous life). The Animal Cops were on, and they were netting cats in a house full of 200+. Purr-la walked up to the tv and her eyes got HUGE.. She was remembering when she was netted in her former home. So, they are allowed to watch the decorating channel while I am out, and they do pick up some nice tips for their room enclosure. They are not allowed to pick their paint color though. I also have Polly Go Lighty, a polydactyl tux girl. She was abandoned as a tiny kitten in the parking lot of the Humane Society where I worked. Just tossed out like trash... She had no fur, because she was covered in mange ringworm. She had URI so bad that her nose was a bloody mess, we thought her nose was actually missing @ first. We thought that because someone had cut off her tail, which was a bloody stump w/ no fur. Polly is fine now, she likes to wash her paws in the water bowls so I am always having to change them. LOTS of polys do this, and drink this way, w/ their paws And I have 4 other tuxes, Marley Bear, ( he has the Groncho moustache) Sugar Buggers (chronic URI) Weezer Jeeves (semi feral siblings).. Yes, kitties can spy everywhere in this house. It is an L shape, w/ the cattery wrapping around the back part, make sense? I also have 15 lite doors on all rooms, so spying is easy... :) Susan J. Dubose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Taylor Scobie Humphrey To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 3:12 AM Subject: Re: something is killing my cats, please I love tuxedos, too. My first cat, when I was very little, was a tuxedo. I named her Marie after the lady who checked us out at the A P! I also love the fact that your cats can spy on each other! Plus all the other stuff. What crystals do you use to collect negative energy? Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Jun 28, 2007, at 3:58 PM, Susan Dubose wrote: Whatever it takes, is what I say, Marylyn. In my felv+ room, the cats have their salt rock lamp, their airpurifier w/ ionizer, soundscapes music playing 24/7, their Drinkwell, and their healing crystals immersed in water to collect negative energies. And even if I am wrong and it does not work, what is the harm in trying? Their room, which is also my office library, has windows all along on 3 sides where I have install birdfeeders outside for their enjoyment, as well as birdbaths. Except where there is a door to the outside, which goes to the cattery where they can spy on my other cats vice versa.. I only have 4 felv+, but I plan to always have 4, make sense? And one of my 4, Lillian, came from a hoarding situation a few months back. She was in a house w/ 185 cats, some which were felv+ and allowed to mix w/ the non felv cats. I took in 14 for a temp foster situation, (it was suppposed to be 2 or 3 days, until transport to Dallas could be arranged) and lo behold, once we started testing spaying general vetting, the last cat I tested was felv+. So now I have 12 cats (one passed to mega colon seizures) for another 2 months of quarantine. I will have had them 2.5 months July 1st. What I will do if anyone of the others turn pos. I am not sure, I guess just deal with it. It was a very hard exposure, 14 cats in a small room for up to 30 days before we had the chance to get them all tested. At the time we took them, we had
Re: something is killing my cats, please
Moi aussi. No dough here. Between the tiny buggers eating yummy high-protein food, their operations, their meddies, the absurd gas prices, etcetera, we're practically sharing their food, ha ha. Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Jun 29, 2007, at 7:00 AM, Susan Dubose wrote: Well, the little fur monsters are sucking all the $$$ outta my wallet. I told them the other day that they needed to get jobs to help out. They just laughed in my face and said, Yeah, right Meowmy!. Then they proceeded to hop on my computer order up more cat toys. They have their own checking account. This way I can watch how much money they spend. When they've all been particuliarly bad (peed in a shoe ?) I take their debit card and me the husband go out to dinner on them :) All you can eat catfish night.Mmm Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Taylor Scobie Humphrey To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 4:23 AM Subject: Re: something is killing my cats, please Oooh! Love those kitties! And their loving kittymommies! Thanks for a GREAT letter! Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation.
Re: just beginning
I love your Pet Girls logo. Adorable, you girls, you! Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Jun 24, 2007, at 9:12 PM, Susan Dubose wrote: I have to agree w/ your comments about chemo. I think that it is a decision left within the family, and there should be no judgement as to what is decided. No one knows your cat better than yourself, and if you listen to what they are saying to you, you will know the right thing to do in your heart. Every morning I put Lysine in my 4 felv+ cats moist food, and I sprinkle Brewer's Yeast on top of their dry food. As far as dry food they only get Wellness Core mixed half half w/ Innova Evo, and for now, this combination seems to be working for them. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 8:13 PM Subject: Re: just beginning A comment on chemo: The Royal Princess Kitty Katt (not FeLV+) had a cancer that spread and was vicious. The specialists were very insistent on chemo. I went to my vets and we had a very long hard talk (actually several of them since they are very good at holding my hand when things turn ugly). There are several types of chemo. The one Kitty would have to have was rough to put it mildly. I think she was to be on it for 6 months. Without it she was to live about 2 months and with it maybe 6-8 months (according to the specialists). My vets and I agreed that there was no quality of life to gain and, as much as Kitty hated vets, traveling etc, a lot to lose. We opted not to even try the chemo. Kitty lived 14 months and had a high quality of life. Her lungs filled with the masses but she never seemed to be in any pain---some discomfort but not nearly what she would be in had I forced her to travel. So much of this is a judgment call. Sit with your little friend after you have gathered all the information you can and feel what the cat wantsI got in trouble for suggesting this not long ago but I truly believe you will know what is best if you calm yourself and talk to your friend the way you would talk to a baby or an elderly person who cannot communicate with words.talk with your heart. Among the things Dr. Kohler and I talked about were: What would we do if we had the cancer? Would we endure chemo or enjoy the time we had? What other options are available (a gentler chemo etc)? What is the cat's personality? What would work for Dixie might not work for Kitty etc? Did I have the ability to take doing nothing as a positive step or did I need to try anything and everything? (There are times that choosing to do nothing is choosing to do something.) We also talked at length about the need to make a decision and not look back and second guess ourselves if we chose to do nothing. Maybe examining these questions with both your heart and mind will help. I am blessed to have vets that can be so open with me. In other cases we have taken other routes. It has always depended on the little one in question. Again blessings to you. You may want to check out the Bach Essences (Rainbow Blossom, Wild Oats, Whole Foods). There are some that will help you and your little friend. No matter what you chose try very hard to enjoy the time you have with Monkee. No one knows when she is going to leave this world and we spend much too much time grieving before it is time to grieve---and lose the precious moments together. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Susan Dubose To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 3:56 PM Subject: Re: just beginning Hi Caroline, I am sorry about Monkee. Thanks for taking him into your home, especially since he was a stray and is felv+. I am sure he has had a good life w/ you, espeically since 4 yrs. is really a long time to survive being felv+. I have taken several animals through chemo (I am a petsitter, I do this for my clients as a favor since it's hard on them or if they are out of town) and I have to say, I don't think I would take my cat through chemo. It's
Re: MeMe and My baby Sammy
This didn't go thru the way it should have--sounds like cats on the keyboard. What I did after I cut the little ant-size garage doors in the sides of the shoebox lid was place two ant baits under the lid and top it off with several folded newspapers to keep the top stable and hide it from interested little felines. Works like a charm and ants were gone in two or three days. Oh--and, I'm back. I had a hairy three weeks dealing with billi bi's FLUTD, including reconstructive and cosmetic surgery (the new norm!) for his little peepee, poor guy, and now, Sammy went out of the remission he was in since after the week he began his chemotherapy. So he is on rescue protocol started Monday and has snapped out of it and is back to normal but this is apparently the shitty endgame. The doc has given him a max of two months. I hate this crap so much! I've called an animal healer. The good news is he will celebrate his very first birthday (for three whole days: June 29th, 30th and July 1st, when they were found by a lady's retriever who carefully retrieved them from under her back porch, with his brothers Charlie and Teddy. I just hate this crying all the time, though. Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Jun 10, 2007, at 6:20 AM, Marylyn wrote: Thanks for the tip. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Taylor Scobie Humphrey To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 2:43 AM Subject: Re: MeMe Oh, great! Isn't she cute? My little girl! Oh--and don't worry. Those things are all in the basement in backs of cupboards with old sliding doors that even I have trouble with. I just figured out how to hide ant traps when you can't hide 'em in the backs of base cabinets. I took a shoebox lid and cut very small (about 1/2 wide) ant-size years from getting curious and they completely ignore it--but the ants don't--and now those stupid ants are GONE! And, brother, it has been ant season big time this year! YAY! Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Jun 9, 2007, at 7:33 AM, Marylyn wrote: Sounds like she is trying to teach you to hunt. Be careful with those things you sit around. You don't want a cat playing with them. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Taylor Scobie Humphrey To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 1:12 AM Subject: Re: MeMe Oh, dear MeMe with the wonderful name! You WILL get rid of the giardia. Just be careful not to drink out of any glasses or mugs she has put her paw into. That's how I got giardia! I remember thinking, oh how cute! And later drinking out of that glass and a week or two later, bingo! I later told my vet and the head vet tech and, boy, did they laugh! If you DO get it it'll go away eventually if you're healthy. ~~Oh, ack! Lilibet just jumped up on my desk to show me--a roach from the basement! She is so pleased! I thought I heard her delicate little voice! She's the one who taught the Three Orange Boys how to kill their prey by bringing them various bugs she would catch. So she's taken it to them and they're very happy, too. I don't mind roaches--except that they're IN MY (mother's) BASEMENT! Ick! I thought I could get 'em with those roach things you hide around in the backs of cupboards, but NO! Crap! She actually just brought it to me again and it wasn't looking so good by then--so proud!--and then took it back to the babies a second time. Very exciting early AM here!~~ Lilibet also has a runny eye, which, of course, she arrived with. Sometimes it runs and sometimes she sneezes. I think MeMe's wellness program is working! If you google purring or cats purring you'l eventually find info on the healing power of purring! Pretty neat stuff! Oh--and you know what else? She knows she's sick but she also knows she loves you and you love her and that's stronger than any sickness. Love from the cats over here! And me, too. Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Jun 7, 2007, at 8:53 AM, Jane Lyons wrote: Thanks for asking about her. I
Re: OT - animal communication - please just delete without reading.
Jeez Louise! What a diatribe from Phaewryn! ! I certainly believe in SOME animal communicators and I myself have certainly seen several deceased people who gave me messages--one for a neighbor family to whom we were very close and two for me from very dear friends. And then there are so many friends and loved ones I cannot see and I yearn to hear from. My mother smells flowers when a loved one dies. She says it's like someone has dumped a bottle of perfume at her feet it's so strong. None of these things happen all the time but always come as a surprise. Where do those powers come from? It depends on who has the powers. Some are from God, some are from an evil place. They come from both places. We are all very feeling people in the first place because our love does not stop with humanity--it continues into a great love for animals. So there you go. Check out the incredible developments in quantum mechanics. Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Jun 10, 2007, at 3:55 PM, Debbie wrote: I was disturbed by the below message. There is nothing wrong with people believing in certain things. If those things bring them comfort how could it ever be wrong? I read Phaewryn’s my space blog and it seems to me she is someone who is dealing with a lot of deep issues. She comes across as being a very angry and distrusting person. Take it for what it is worth – just someone blowing off steam. It must be a very sad and lonely life if a person doesn’t believe strongly in something. Faith is the healing force and there is nothing wrong with saying a prayer. If anything it humbles us enough to make us see what is truly important in our lives. Myself, I would say I wouldn’t go to any psychic readings of any type, but that’s me. I do believe there are things that are mystical or paranormal, etc…, but I have always wondered where those powers come from? Good or Evil? Since I don’t know then I choose not to use them., but if someone else finds comfort in it – then that is their choice. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:felvtalk- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf OfMarylyn Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 3:27 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT - animal communication - please just delete without reading. I'm not going to respond to such an awful personal attack. I truly believe in AC and know a number of people who practice it. It has worked for me and it has worked for them. I am sorry it has not worked for you. Perhaps one day. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 2:05 PM Subject: Re: OT - animal communication - please just delete without reading. And the thought that perhaps we need to ask the cats in question what they would prefer when death is a serious option. The idea that any of you actually BELIEVE that anyone can psychically communicate with an animal is, to me, ABSURD. I think the animal communication business is a FRAUD taking advantage of people and their love of their pets (and often, their weakened mental status because of desperation and stress). There may actually BE good people out there who REALLY believe they communicate with animals... people who are not frauds, people with good hearts, but out of touch with reality. I'm not saying ALL AC's are just out to make a buck or gain fame, but really, you can't PROVE this stuff exists, and it's proven fact that other humans WILL take advantage when given a chance! Anyone remember snake oil? HELLO?! You know what? This list has of recent had SO MANY emails about animal communication, that it seems to be THE answer to EVERYTHING! I just can't fathom the emotional susceptibility of a person to actually believe in something so FAR OUT THERE and so obviously unable to be proven. And to put an animals LIFE, or the question of PHYSICAL MUTILATION, on the line based on what could just as well be as valid as flipping a coin, well, it's just unfathomable, I just can't come up with any other word for it! It's like a NEW RELIGION... You can't see, it, you can't prove it, you can't feel it, you can't do anything to prove it exists, yet you just blindly throw your faith into it, and put everything you own in your heart into this belief in the unprovable! I JUST DO NOT GET IT ! In my opinion, all the talk of animal communication on this list has made it's validity LAUGHABLE in the past
Re: MeMe
Oh, great! Isn't she cute? My little girl! Oh--and don't worry. Those things are all in the basement in backs of cupboards with old sliding doors that even I have trouble with. I just figured out how to hide ant traps when you can't hide 'em in the backs of base cabinets. I took a shoebox lid and cut very small (about 1/2 wide) ant-size years from getting curious and they completely ignore it-- but the ants don't--and now those stupid ants are GONE! And, brother, it has been ant season big time this year! YAY! Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Jun 9, 2007, at 7:33 AM, Marylyn wrote: Sounds like she is trying to teach you to hunt. Be careful with those things you sit around. You don't want a cat playing with them. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Taylor Scobie Humphrey To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 1:12 AM Subject: Re: MeMe Oh, dear MeMe with the wonderful name! You WILL get rid of the giardia. Just be careful not to drink out of any glasses or mugs she has put her paw into. That's how I got giardia! I remember thinking, oh how cute! And later drinking out of that glass and a week or two later, bingo! I later told my vet and the head vet tech and, boy, did they laugh! If you DO get it it'll go away eventually if you're healthy. ~~Oh, ack! Lilibet just jumped up on my desk to show me--a roach from the basement! She is so pleased! I thought I heard her delicate little voice! She's the one who taught the Three Orange Boys how to kill their prey by bringing them various bugs she would catch. So she's taken it to them and they're very happy, too. I don't mind roaches--except that they're IN MY (mother's) BASEMENT! Ick! I thought I could get 'em with those roach things you hide around in the backs of cupboards, but NO! Crap! She actually just brought it to me again and it wasn't looking so good by then--so proud!--and then took it back to the babies a second time. Very exciting early AM here!~~ Lilibet also has a runny eye, which, of course, she arrived with. Sometimes it runs and sometimes she sneezes. I think MeMe's wellness program is working! If you google purring or cats purring you'l eventually find info on the healing power of purring! Pretty neat stuff! Oh--and you know what else? She knows she's sick but she also knows she loves you and you love her and that's stronger than any sickness. Love from the cats over here! And me, too. Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Jun 7, 2007, at 8:53 AM, Jane Lyons wrote: Thanks for asking about her. I welcome the chance to talk about her to people who know and live with this disease. One thing I've learned in these past 12 days is there is no consistency or statics. We've gotten rid of swollen glands and very bad breath, but sneezes and a runny eye are back. We've begun the Panacur, and have to suspend FortiFlora for 5 days, so that we can get her to eat the Panacur in her food. She has had diarrhea since we got her, and I don't think we can accomplish very much until we get rid of it ( Giardia.) She gets Maitake-DMG twice a day. She is eating bits of Archetype that my vet recommended, but she is a Fancy Feast addict which cannot be helping. She has good days and not so good days. She is always sweet and seemingly happy with the attention and care she is getting. I've decided that as part of her wellness program, she will have 'bliss therapy' which means purring as deeply and loudly as possible, for as much time as possible. I'm hoping it is an immunity booster. I am struggling with staying in 'present time' and trying to shake the deep sadness I feel when she purrs as I pick her up. Jane
Re: MeMe
Oh, dear MeMe with the wonderful name! You WILL get rid of the giardia. Just be careful not to drink out of any glasses or mugs she has put her paw into. That's how I got giardia! I remember thinking, oh how cute! And later drinking out of that glass and a week or two later, bingo! I later told my vet and the head vet tech and, boy, did they laugh! If you DO get it it'll go away eventually if you're healthy. ~~Oh, ack! Lilibet just jumped up on my desk to show me--a roach from the basement! She is so pleased! I thought I heard her delicate little voice! She's the one who taught the Three Orange Boys how to kill their prey by bringing them various bugs she would catch. So she's taken it to them and they're very happy, too. I don't mind roaches--except that they're IN MY (mother's) BASEMENT! Ick! I thought I could get 'em with those roach things you hide around in the backs of cupboards, but NO! Crap! She actually just brought it to me again and it wasn't looking so good by then--so proud!--and then took it back to the babies a second time. Very exciting early AM here!~~ Lilibet also has a runny eye, which, of course, she arrived with. Sometimes it runs and sometimes she sneezes. I think MeMe's wellness program is working! If you google purring or cats purring you'l eventually find info on the healing power of purring! Pretty neat stuff! Oh--and you know what else? She knows she's sick but she also knows she loves you and you love her and that's stronger than any sickness. Love from the cats over here! And me, too. Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Jun 7, 2007, at 8:53 AM, Jane Lyons wrote: Thanks for asking about her. I welcome the chance to talk about her to people who know and live with this disease. One thing I've learned in these past 12 days is there is no consistency or statics. We've gotten rid of swollen glands and very bad breath, but sneezes and a runny eye are back. We've begun the Panacur, and have to suspend FortiFlora for 5 days, so that we can get her to eat the Panacur in her food. She has had diarrhea since we got her, and I don't think we can accomplish very much until we get rid of it ( Giardia.) She gets Maitake-DMG twice a day. She is eating bits of Archetype that my vet recommended, but she is a Fancy Feast addict which cannot be helping. She has good days and not so good days. She is always sweet and seemingly happy with the attention and care she is getting. I've decided that as part of her wellness program, she will have 'bliss therapy' which means purring as deeply and loudly as possible, for as much time as possible. I'm hoping it is an immunity booster. I am struggling with staying in 'present time' and trying to shake the deep sadness I feel when she purrs as I pick her up. Jane
Re: was - Update on Kisa, now raw feeding
Oh, ick, I hate all this stuff~~all the uncertainty about what to feed our fuzzers, and now it's is ANYTHING safe? I just got back an hour ago from taking my unhappy boy Billi Bi into the emergency vet to be catheterized~~again~~so he's going to have that operation! So much for my hair appointment on Friday! Fortunately I ran into my holistic vet at the emergency vet (she owns it) and she'll be giving me info on feeding the little guy (Billi Bi) so I won't have to feed him the Rx junk with the icky bi-products in it. Thank God! Poor Bailey, Poor Koda. Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Jun 6, 2007, at 11:27 AM, C J wrote: I started feeding raw about 2 months ago, and now i'm having some second thoughts. I'm just not sure about it yet. It sounds so much healthier, and i'm hoping my two older, fatter cats will lose some weight on the raw. Most of my cats love the food more than they ever liked canned/dry, but then I read about Salmonella and intestinal parasites that could be in raw. Plus Koda died a month ago of organ failure due to unknown causes. She was old and diabetic, but I have that lingering uncertainty that possibly the raw food may have harmed her. I'm still trying to read more info on the raw, but it is the same as everything else, you have people strongly for or against it, both with good arguments. I just want to do what is healthiest for my babies. Cassandra - Original Message - From: Belinda To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 8:50 AM Subject: Re: was - Update on Kisa, now liver shake ingredients I've never seen a green cherry tomato, but that aside and this is my opinion only why tempt fate when dealing with an already compromised immune system. Yes it may be safe for most cats, even positive cats, but I would die if my cat was the one cat it wasn't safe for. It just isn't worth it to me when it can be left out. To be honest with you I will always wonder if Bailey didn't get sick because of the raw food I was feeding him, yes he did very well for about 6 months, got chubby, seemed to feel good but then he got very sick and and less than 6 months later was gone. He had NEVER been sick in all his 11 years before that, so was it just a coincidence ... possibly, but I will NEVER know for sure and I will never feed raw again, just in case. I believe, from all the other info out there, that it is the GREEN tomatoes, stems and leaves that are the poisonous parts. The red/ripe tomatoes thet we normally consume and that are used in tomato juice contain only trace amounts of Solanine and are not poisonous. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.9/834 - Release Date: 6/5/2007 2:38 PM
Re: To Cassandra and Kisa
Oh, I feel so glad that you got over that horrendous hump last week with Kisa. At least when she stays under the bed you always know where she is! And since you two sleep there it is the place where she feels the safest. I had a wonderful cat named Boots~~quite a fellow~~and he ALWAYS slept under our heads under the bed. He would stay on the bed with us until it was lights out and then he'd go right under the bed to his bed. Sometimes we could hear him snoring faintly. Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Jun 6, 2007, at 11:44 AM, C J wrote: Thank you. So far so good. Kisa is eating mainly felidae canned right now, though she only eats when I hand feed her. When I try the foods she ate before she got sick, she shows an aversion to them now, even to the Tempations treats she absolutely loved before. She still wants to hide under the bed all day, and her lips/gums are very pale, but she is getting a little bit stronger each day. Hopefully she can get more of those red blood cells back into circulation soon. Cassandra - Original Message - From: Melissa Lind To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 9:00 AM Subject: To Cassandra and Kisa Cassandra and Kisa: You two are in my thoughts today! Hope all is well and Kisa is eating more! Melissa No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.9/834 - Release Date: 6/5/2007 2:38 PM
Re: To Cassandra and Kisa
I hope so. Because my poor little Billi Bi has the same problem. Do you have a good holistic vet who will work with your traditional vet? Because s/he would be the person to get advice from re: Bandit's little problem. Poor Billi Bi's little problem just immediately morphed into a big, expensive problem, poor guy. And with the crummy ingredients those Rx companies use, that stuff should be less than half the price. Jeez, what a ripoff! Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Jun 6, 2007, at 12:11 PM, Melissa Lind wrote: Good news! Happy thoughts for Kisa! As for feeding the raw food—I don’t think I could do it. I won’t cook my husband steaks or hamburger that are pinkish just because of the parasite issue (I don’t any meat or fish—but he and the fur kids do). Of course I’ve been told that it’s much worse in chicken and pork anyway—that pork is horrifically loaded with parasites—but that wasn’t told to me by an expert. But, I think with all the problems with cat food (and the waste products used in it), I’m going to start making my own—or at least experimenting with it. Does anyone have any ideas about what I could give Bandit to promote urinary health? He takes Science Diet C/D to prevent crystals from forming in his urinary tract/bladder or something like that. So far it’s helped tremendously. I don’t want to go back to those problems, but I do want to feed him fresher food that I know where it is coming from. Plus his food is so expensive, and I feed it to all the cats for simplicity in feeding arrangements. Are there supplements I can give him to prevent the crystals/ neutralize his pee? Sorry this is better suited for the off topic place—I can move there once I get home from work (my home computer checks those messages). Melissa From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:felvtalk- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of C J Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 11:44 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: To Cassandra and Kisa Thank you. So far so good. Kisa is eating mainly felidae canned right now, though she only eats when I hand feed her. When I try the foods she ate before she got sick, she shows an aversion to them now, even to the Tempations treats she absolutely loved before. She still wants to hide under the bed all day, and her lips/gums are very pale, but she is getting a little bit stronger each day. Hopefully she can get more of those red blood cells back into circulation soon. Cassandra - Original Message - From: Melissa Lind To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 9:00 AM Subject: To Cassandra and Kisa Cassandra and Kisa: You two are in my thoughts today! Hope all is well and Kisa is eating more! Melissa No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.9/834 - Release Date: 6/5/2007 2:38 PM
Re: outdoor enclosures
I had exactly the same problem but I did not realize what all the commotion was about until the poor birdie was dead. That was a long time ago. So sad! Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Jun 7, 2007, at 1:58 AM, Marylyn wrote: A word about fishing line: I had a bird use a piece in its nest. A baby bird got it wrapped around its leg and dangled from a two story window for a long time. I finally got the bird freed but it would not stay in the nest. I could not get the line from around its leg so, if it lived, the nylon line may have cut into the leg. The same thing can happen with cats + they can get it wrapped around their necks, eat it etc. It is extremely hard to see too. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 1:40 PM Subject: Re: outdoor enclosures Yeah, the mesh was great in Fl. I even brought some with me. Guess what? It doesn't work in NY...sigh. We were told by a large cat sanctuary (Peace Plantation) to use 1x2 galvanized welded rabbit wire. He showed us what 2 winters did to the mesh. They had spent $6,500 on it and it bombed. The stupid manufacturer said It's not for commercial use Well duh, if it works, it works. Zip ties don't work here either. It's very hard to describe what we've done now by writing. I can tell you that in Fl. we got a 10x10 enclosure from Ace Hardware and covered it using mesh and zip ties. Some folks use fish line. You have to adapt the door so they can't get through. a chain link fence guy can do that for you. We will be using Kittywalk to connect the 2 enclosures we will have here. Dede --- Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have what I call a catiary cause it looks like an aviary. It was built at the same time as my deck so it could be incorporated into the plan. It's between a wing of the deck the house goes from ground level to roof level of single story house. The floor is concrete for cleaning - a lockable screen door goes to the yard the walls are 4 PVC coated mesh that is exactly what BestFriends uses in their outdoor rooms. It's VERY strong does not cut down on light as does most of the regular, weaker, tearable mesh screen. Inside there are shelves at staggered heights for sunning romping. I scrounded a tall thick tree branch a really crookedy one that are propped in one corner for climbing scratching. The roof is that coorrugated plastic. I keep one or two litter boxes out there. The cats have access to the catiary from a cat door from the screened porch access to the screened porch from a cat door into the kitchen. Works great. In cold weather they can go out there without letting the cold into the house. I looked at enclosures on the web found that utterly boring. I think the best ones are the ones that the people design themselves. Y ou .should be able to get a handyman to build it. The man who built mine along with the deck got a huge kick out of it. Said he'd never had a cat room on his resume before! Pam Jane Lyons wrote: I'm sorry to be constantly asking questions, but hopefully we can get the newness of this diagnosis and all the issues it raises on the right path ... Can anyone recommend an outdoor enclosure for cats that works well. Again, I Googled the category and there are hundreds of choices. I was hoping someone might have experience with a design or quality that works. I suspect that MeMe was at one time in her young life on her own because she can climb trees better than squirrels and seems to know her way around the terrain. I need an enclosure that will allow her some measure of freedom and activity. I appreciate any information or leads someone might have. Jane When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 _ ___ Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/
Re: Caroline still not eating or drinking
Fish-flavor, liver-flavor and chicken-flavor pedialyte! Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Jun 5, 2007, at 9:47 PM, MaryChristine wrote: well, foster kittens REGULARLY get pediatlyte, and whenever someone is really punk i'll give it--it's just not a big money-maker for vets, so no one's constantly reminding them of it, like the drug companies are with meds? On 6/5/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, and yes, any cat can have an electrolyte imbalance, but giving too many fluids can cause it, definitely. The balance is very delicate. I never really understood why cats and dogs don't get routine electrolyte supplements like all other mammals do when ill or over-worked. Think pedalyte for human babies - gatorade for human adults, they make similar stuff for supplementing livestock (horses) and it's routine to give it after any competition or in illnesses. But cats and dogs don't seem to get these things. I don't understand why not. Maybe there is a reason I am unaware of. Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources http://www.iGive.com/html/refer.cfm?causeid=21303 Sign up for iGive and a percentage of your purchases helps save animals! -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Caroline still not eating or drinking
Is pedialyte the only brand? Or can we just start a brand! I like the Purr-o-lyte name. How many of us are actively in the group now? We could all be shareholders. Omigod, this is even crazier than the feline lymphoma discussion group trip to Seattle to the vet conference! Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Jun 5, 2007, at 10:12 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But they could label it specifically for cats, add chicken flavor (or tuna, or milk, etc), etc... it COULD be good money, if it was marketed. Catty-o-lyte. Maybe Purr-a-lyte? I dunno, but it could be done. Easily. Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources http://www.iGive.com/html/refer.cfm?causeid=21303 Sign up for iGive and a percentage of your purchases helps save animals!
Re: OT - Phelix...and lessons learned.
Yeah, no kidding. I always have scratches somewhere. I'm always using Neosporin on some part of my bod! Especially as the triplets are still growing and getting new ideas about what they can (as much as possible) and cannot do (we can't?). Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Jun 6, 2007, at 9:57 AM, MaryChristine wrote: you're morally opposed to TRIMMING claws, dear? explain, please. (thinking that i would long ago have bled to death--not to mention having had to pay enormous vet bills for ingrown claws).. On 6/5/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your cats get STUCK to the carpet? Bizarre! I never trim claws here (I'm morally opposed to the idea) unless there's a medical necessity, and I can honestly say my cats have NEVER gotten stuck to the carpet. I have occasionally seen one get stuck on the side of the sofa while scratching it, but even that is rare. Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources http://www.iGive.com/html/refer.cfm?causeid=21303 Sign up for iGive and a percentage of your purchases helps save animals! -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: OT - Phelix...and lessons learned.
OH, POOR PHELIX! And poor you! It's awful to feel guilty so don't do that! Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Jun 4, 2007, at 10:03 PM, elizabeth trent wrote: Phelix was taking care of me today because I home and not feeling well. He's always by my side and took a nap with me. He's the one with allergies that was born with only one eye. He's been scratching a lot lately and I woke up and looked at him and he couldn't open his eye! And there was blood. I nearly panicked. I didn't care how bad I felt - I was getting that boy to the doctor. By the time we got there - he was looking a lot better and looking around - no bleeding - but I was so worried and I really need to protect his one good eye. They examined it and put drops in and looked to make sure he hadn't scratched his cornea. They also checked his ears - they look good...and checked for fleas (he doesn't have any). The vet thinks that when Phelix was scratching, his dew claw caught his eye and ripped through the bottom eyelid. They trimmed those for me and gave him a steroid shot because he's really been itchy lately (his tummy is bald but his ears have really been itchy). They gave him some salve for me to use in his eye 2-3 times a day -- it just says 'BNP-HC ophth. ointment'. It has an antibiotic and a steroid in it. Since Phelix's ears are so itchy, we're going to do the tresoderm a few days too just to be extra sure. I feel bad because I'm not very good about keeping toenails trimmedbut I sure will from now on! Thank goodness I was home when that happened. It looks much, much better now and Phelix keeps telling me it was no big deal. Just thought I'd pass that along in case it would help someone else. Phelix thinks it is his god-given right to go outside everyday when I get home and roll in the lavender. He'll let me know if I'm not fast enough letting him out. Today when I took him in the girls kept saying --- Phelix smells like lavender!! :0) He's such a ladies man. All good thoughts to you and your fur babies. elizabeth
Re: outdoor enclosures
MeMe is SUCH a lucky little furchild! Can you do a fence or do you want an enclosure? Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Jun 3, 2007, at 10:41 AM, Jane Lyons wrote: I'm sorry to be constantly asking questions, but hopefully we can get the newness of this diagnosis and all the issues it raises on the right path ... Can anyone recommend an outdoor enclosure for cats that works well. Again, I Googled the category and there are hundreds of choices. I was hoping someone might have experience with a design or quality that works. I suspect that MeMe was at one time in her young life on her own because she can climb trees better than squirrels and seems to know her way around the terrain. I need an enclosure that will allow her some measure of freedom and activity. I appreciate any information or leads someone might have. Jane
Re: outdoor enclosures
New York is just like that! Just a joke~~I once lived there and I do miss it! Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Jun 3, 2007, at 2:03 PM, Pam Norman wrote: The PVC coated wire mesh works fine in Wisconsin fine in Utah. I don't see why it wouldn't work in NY! It's very strong, 4x4 coated wire. Pam dede hicken wrote: Yeah, the mesh was great in Fl. I even brought some with me. Guess what? It doesn't work in NY...sigh. We were told by a large cat sanctuary (Peace Plantation) to use 1x2 galvanized welded rabbit wire. He showed us what 2 winters did to the mesh. They had spent $6,500 on it and it bombed. The stupid manufacturer said It's not for commercial use Well duh, if it works, it works. Zip ties don't work here either. It's very hard to describe what we've done now by writing. I can tell you that in Fl. we got a 10x10 enclosure from Ace Hardware and covered it using mesh and zip ties. Some folks use fish line. You have to adapt the door so they can't get through. a chain link fence guy can do that for you. We will be using Kittywalk to connect the 2 enclosures we will have here. Dede --- Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have what I call a catiary cause it looks like an aviary. It was built at the same time as my deck so it could be incorporated into the plan. It's between a wing of the deck the house goes from ground level to roof level of single story house. The floor is concrete for cleaning - a lockable screen door goes to the yard the walls are 4 PVC coated mesh that is exactly what BestFriends uses in their outdoor rooms. It's VERY strong does not cut down on light as does most of the regular, weaker, tearable mesh screen. Inside there are shelves at staggered heights for sunning romping. I scrounded a tall thick tree branch a really crookedy one that are propped in one corner for climbing scratching. The roof is that coorrugated plastic. I keep one or two litter boxes out there. The cats have access to the catiary from a cat door from the screened porch access to the screened porch from a cat door into the kitchen. Works great. In cold weather they can go out there without letting the cold into the house. I looked at enclosures on the web found that utterly boring. I think the best ones are the ones that the people design themselves. Y ou .should be able to get a handyman to build it. The man who built mine along with the deck got a huge kick out of it. Said he'd never had a cat room on his resume before! Pam Jane Lyons wrote: I'm sorry to be constantly asking questions, but hopefully we can get the newness of this diagnosis and all the issues it raises on the right path ... Can anyone recommend an outdoor enclosure for cats that works well. Again, I Googled the category and there are hundreds of choices. I was hoping someone might have experience with a design or quality that works. I suspect that MeMe was at one time in her young life on her own because she can climb trees better than squirrels and seems to know her way around the terrain. I need an enclosure that will allow her some measure of freedom and activity. I appreciate any information or leads someone might have. Jane When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 _ ___ Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/
Re: Hideyo got her missing cat Maddie!
Dear Nina: Please convey this to Hideyo~~What a wonderful story! What a success! I'm sure that all the animals in Heaven have a very special place for you among them some day. And thank you for two more animal communicator names. Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Jun 2, 2007, at 10:49 AM, Nina wrote: Some of you good folks might remember that Hideyo has been searching for an adopted kitty that went missing the very first night she was in her new home. Well last night, (actually, this morning at 3:30am), Hideyo was able to trap Maddie using a drop trap! All of you who know Hideyo can imagine the tireless effort that has gone into this rescue effort and I'm so pleased to report that it has paid off with Maddie's safe return from her adventure. Food had been placed in the yard of the house where she escaped from and a couple of the neighbors had been reporting sightings. Regular traps weren't working, so Hideyo had a drop trap made and camped out for a couple nights until she got her! Marissa, I hope you're reading this, have heart my dear and keep trying to find Georgia. Here's the paste of the message Hideyo wanted me to convey to the list: Nina, could you also let everyone on FELK list know that I was able to bring Maddie home..-- mainly so that people won't easily give up if they lose theirs -- 5 five weeks later, I was able to reunite with Maddie.. and I want people not to give up easily if they really want to find theirs -- I also know of a really really good AC besides Carol [Carol Robinson http://www.animal- conversations.com/index.html ] -- I love Carol.. but I also love Annette Betcher [ http://www.seanet.com/~angelb/ ] -- I just love her personality, and I think you should try her and Carol (or anyone else for that matter) if there is any need in the future!! Hideyo
Re: Update on Kisa
200ml is too much to give her in one dose but if she absorbs 100ml in 12 hours that's 100 ml every 12 hrs is 200ml per day. So do that. Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Jun 2, 2007, at 11:45 AM, C J wrote: My guess, is her rapid breathing is caused by anemia. She is very pale, her feet and gums are much paler than normal. I am wondering if the hemobart is possibly causing her immune system to attack its own red blood cells, and the Dex is slowling that down. It could be lymphoma too though, its hard to say. Basically the vets aren't very helpful for me anymore. The one vet I was dealing with that was actually being helpful is gone for a few weeks now, and all the other vets want to do is put her to sleep. I hate even consulting them, because they just try to talk me into putting her to sleep. When I got the IV bag, the vet I talked to said to give her like 200ml per day. I think that's way too much right now...when it took her like 12 hours to absorb 100ml. Cassandra - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 11:09 AM Subject: Re: Update on Kisa Hey Cassandra, Wow, I am surprised and so happy that Kisa is rallying! I hope she can pull through. The dex can make a difference. I think the combo shot I mentioned early on shrinks lymphoma, according to Michelle, the girl who used to be here who knows a lot about it. If that's the case, and she does have lymphoma, it might explain the easier breathing. Maybe something is growing quickly and pressing on her lungs or throat. My cat with CRF gets 200 CC a week of subQ fluids, but she is not in grave danger as Kisa is. She walks around with a little sac of fluid hanging off her little bony body for a few hours before it absorbs. She feels so much better after it's done. How much did the vet say you should give Kisa? I would ask them so that you don't overdo it. Keeping my fingers crossed for you guys. :) Wendy --- C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A small update on Kisa. I didn't think she would make it through the night, and at one point I checked on her and thought she was gone, because I didn't see the heavy breathing. She did make it through the night, and I was seriously considering taking her in to the vet for euthanasia. I asked her if I should, and was very upset I wasn't strong enough to make that decision. Well, now she actually looks a little bit better. She's very weak, but she seems more alert and her breathing, while still fast, isn't quite as labored and she's not breathing through her mouth. It could be the dexamethasone making some sort of difference. And then the strangest thing of all happened, she ate about 1 and a half tablespoons of pureed liver, by licking it off the back of a spoon. This is the first time in two weeks since this started, that she didn't gag at the very sight/smell of food. I couldn't believe she actually ate. She must not be feeling as nauseous, and so far she hasn't vomited today. I'm trying not to get my hopes up, but this is the first positive thing that has happened for her in two weeks. I guess we'll just have to wait and see how she does over the next couple of days. If she's trying to get better, she has an awful lot to overcome yet in order to do so. I've got a full IV bag of sub-q fluids to keep her hydrated at least. Just a question on that, how much fluid should she get in a day? I gave her about 100ml, six hours ago, and it still hasn't all soaked in from under the skin at the back of her neck. Cassandra Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ _ ___ Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.6/828 - Release Date: 6/1/2007 11:22 AM
Re: Update on Kisa
Well, yes, she will eat off a plate eventually but right now it is important to feed her if that's the way she likes it. It is more interaction with you and she really needs that slow-going babying babying right now. I'm so glad she likes her fancy liver soup! It's really great! I kept the recipe for my little guys. Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Jun 2, 2007, at 7:06 PM, C J wrote: Kisa likes the liver shake. She wasn't interested at first, but I just held the spoon in front of her nose until she tried it. I don't know why she'd like it though, it smells awful..mostly like tomato. Now I just need to get her eating off a plate. It's really slow going dipping a spoon in food and letting her lick the back. Cassandra - Original Message - From: C J To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 3:07 PM Subject: Re: Update on Kisa Thanks for the recipe, I will try it today. For tomato juice, can I just throw in a whole fresh tomato? I'm not sure what other ingredients might be in tomato juice. Some sugar maybe? Cassandra - Original Message - From: Nina To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 12:56 PM Subject: Re: Update on Kisa Tad, I think that's a great food to try with Kisa, esp since she likes liver! Here's the recipe paste from Michelle: Here is the liver shake recipe: 1 cup raw liver (chicken or beef, I use chicken) 1 cup fresh carrot juice, tomato juice, or V-8 1/4 cup filtered water 1 raw egg yolk 1 tsp kelp or spirulina Blend until liquid and frothy. I make it in half batches (though use a whole egg yolk), and warm up small amounts for Simon. I had to put it on his lips the first few times to get him to eat it. it is supposed to be complete nutrition. Tad Burnett wrote: We used to make a Liver Shake here that was basically liver and a little tomato or V8 juice... Sick cats seem to love that but some people say it has onions in it... But I can't see that it does... Anybody have any thoughts on this ??? Tad No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.6/828 - Release Date: 6/1/2007 11:22 AM No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.6/828 - Release Date: 6/1/2007 11:22 AM
Re: Update on Kisa
Oh, I love it! What we do for our babies. Al least she doesn't feel the most comfortable hanging in the hammock that kitties make by ripping a corner of the fabric under the bedframe and crawling in there! Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Jun 2, 2007, at 8:43 PM, C J wrote: Oh, its even better than on my hands and knees. She feels safest under the bedso its more like lying flat on my stomach trying to reach through the 6 inch opening between the bed frame and floor. Cassandra - Original Message - From: Nina To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 8:01 PM Subject: Re: Update on Kisa I'm so glad she likes it! Don't get greedy about switching her to a plate, we don't want to jinx her! :-) . It's making me smile to picture you on your hands and knees coaxing her to eat and actually having her do it! Been there, done that :-) . C'mon Kisa! N C J wrote: Kisa likes the liver shake. She wasn't interested at first, but I just held the spoon in front of her nose until she tried it. I don't know why she'd like it though, it smells awful..mostly like tomato. Now I just need to get her eating off a plate. It's really slow going dipping a spoon in food and letting her lick the back. Cassandra No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.6/828 - Release Date: 6/1/2007 11:22 AM
Re: Kissa
Excellent point about the loss of her housemates, Jane! I am sure you are correct! Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On May 31, 2007, at 3:52 PM, Jane Lyons wrote: Cassandra I cannot imagine how tired and stressed you must be. I wonder if the sudden loss of her 'housemates' has been an assault on Kissa's immunity. She is on her own path and you are doing everything you can to support her. She will let you know. Take care of yourself. Jane
Re: Opinions Needed
Actually, you can probably tell the newspaper editor your name, address and email address and request that you be known in the newspaper as Anonymous or Concerned Family or something. I'm pretty damn sure that newspapers honor requests like this. If I had written that letter I would send hard copies and emails, too, of your letter, with photos if possible, to, among others, the ASPCA in New York, Best Friends in Utah, The North Shore Animal League in New York, Animal Defense League (is that in CA?), Cat Fancy, and any other names that this loving cat group of animal people can think of. How about Catster.com? Right off the top of my sleepy head I cannot think of any other names, but I'll have some more by tomorrow. How about Art Bell at radio's Coast to Coast AM? He is an avowed cat adorer! (My mom's PR career bled off onto me more than I ever realized. The evidence is right here in front of you!) You can make a huge difference in the lives of these little ones and others. If you can get them on a TV morning show with the they'll be adopted so fast! And so many people will know and people will respond to your letter and to their placement on TV. It may very well help the Humane Society raise money for kitten care. We just never know. But the good you have done has already been multiplied by telling all of us, by telling the Darke County Humane Society, who came so quickly to their--and your--rescue and all the people THEY will tell and involve. And, believe me, those little babies will find a way to communicate to their sad, bewildered mommycat that they are now safe and loved, that they will always be loved (by their mommycat and then by you and your husband and your animal family, and now by all the Humane Society folks and by all of us). You never know--someone might even contact the Humane Society or the paper--someone who knows about the people in that car that you saw. We just never know. But you and your husband have shown more light into the ugly dark corners of the world. And light is what we need. Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On May 31, 2007, at 2:48 PM, Debbie wrote: This is a letter to the editor of our local paper concerning the kittens we found dumped over the weekend. My husband is afraid it will cause trouble if they print it with a name and town. What do you think? Myself, I doubt anyone will really pay attention. I am curious to know what you guys think. Thanks for the input. Debbie Dear Editor, On Sunday, May 27, Children's Home Bradford Rd., Greenville, someone pulled into a path in a field, north, a little ways off of 127. My husband and I were traveling to Lowe's and noticed this parked car and also kittens beside it. We thought oh, they must be picking them up. We agreed we would come back the same route on the way home to make sure. Unfortunately, on the way back, we saw the kittens were still there. We pulled over and got out. One was lying squashed on the path, 2 snuggled up to the small lifeless body. Whoever dumped them must have run over one. Three more came waddling up out of the ditch. There were 6 total. We gathered the 5 left alive and placed them in our van. My husband was kind enough that he even picked up the dead baby kitten and placed it in a bag, later he buried it in our side yard. We had our 2 Labradors with us - one which my husband had found dumped outside Bradford around Christmas time. She was only 4-5 weeks old. The kittens looked to be around 4-5 weeks old. We knew we could not just leave them because they would never have survived on their own. We also knew that we would not really be able to take on anymore because we have 14 rescued ones already (7 were found in a trash dumpster outside a condo in Dayton). All now spayed, neutered, shots, etc. I called and left a message at the Darke County Humane Society telling them the whole story. We decided if worse came to worse we would keep them until they could be adopted out. Amazingly the Humane Society phoned the next day. They agreed to take the abandoned babies in. My husband and I would like to publicly thank them for that. We are so very grateful. The lady that picked them up had a nice clean carrier and bedding for them. As to the people who constantly abandon, abuse, etc.. animals. What is wrong with you? What gives you the right to take away life of any kind? It always amazes me that humans can be so cruel. Poor defenseless creatures left to die, no food, no shelter, no one to love them. Would you do this to your mother, your grandfather, your child? We seem to be becoming a throw away society. If someone or something doesn't fit our idea of perfection or if taking care of them is an inconvenience - then we just dispose of it. Life to many, seems cheap. I recall I had a neighbor years ago that left his dog have
Re: For Rent To Animal Lover
Excellent idea! Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On May 31, 2007, at 3:45 PM, Jane Lyons wrote: Nina I'm visualizing the reincarnation of James Herriot (All Creatures Great and Small) renting the house next door. Here's hoping your caring vibes attract a conscious person. Jane
Re: Anyone have experience with respiratory distress likely caused by anemia?
No, no, take her in. The second word in respiratory distress is distress. Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On May 31, 2007, at 4:11 PM, C J wrote: I've been searching the web for info on respiratory distress, but can't seem to find what i'm looking for. Kisa's breathing is very rapid and deep, and she has her mouth slightly open most of the time. I can't decide if I should take her in to be put to sleep. I am just wondering if anyone has experience with this, and how long will an animal last in this sort of condition? I am sure she isn't feeling very well at all, but I don't know if she is in pain, or just some discomfort. If this is going to go on for days, I should probably put her to sleep. How will an animal die if the respiratory distress keeps getting worse? Will it be a painful ending, or just a cessation of breathing eventually? Thanks for any input. Cassandra
Re: Pictures of Abandoned Kittens
Oh, they're BEAUTIFUL!!! And I LOVE the big cat litter bins in the background! Perfect! I hope some can be adopted together so the never have to lose another family member. Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Jun 1, 2007, at 9:43 AM, Debbie wrote: If anyone would like to see pics of the 5 little kittens that were dumped over Memorial Day weekend (actually six but they had run over one) the link is below. http://picasaweb.google.com/justadreamer1021/ AbandonedKittensMemorialDayWeekend
Re: Update on Kisa
Thank you, Belinda, it was just so awful and it was my little FeLV+ girl Mamie a month before she died. Awful! Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On May 30, 2007, at 7:47 AM, Belinda wrote: Cassandra, I've had 3 cats with feeding tube (e-tube in the esphogus) and never had a problem with vomiting with any of them unless I was going too fast or giving meds on an empty tummy, once I figured out what I was doing wrong it was no longer an issue. All of my feeding tube experiences as far as the feeding themselves went beautifully. Fred did have an infection problem at the entry site that we couldn't get rid of because the vets wouldn't leave him on the antibiotics long enough. But his feedings went great and he gained back most of the weight he had lost, he never vomited once even with is infection problem. There are several reasons a cat will vomit when getting fed through a feeding tube, getting fed too fast, getting too much food at once, when a cat hasn't eaten for as long as Kisa hasn't you have to go slowly and build up to a bigger amount. What I mean is, she needs to be fed 10 to 20 cc's every hour or two, for the first day, then maybe 15 to 25 every couple of hours then next day, and unfortunetly you aren't going to find many, if any vets willing to devote that kind of time to one animal so it would probably be better if she were home if you can devote that kind of time to her care. Other reasons include the tube not being placed correctly, with an e-tube there is a specific area the tube should be, not higher not lower or it will cause nausea in some cats. It should NOT enter the stomach, it should be between the 7th and 9th rib, this is easily verifiable with an xray. An nasel gastric tube is uncomfortable and only ever should be used in emergencies, which Kisa is at this time, think about it a cats nostril is tiny, imagine having something shoved in it. BUT once Kisa is strong enough she should get an e-tube, it is the safest easiest tube for feeding. A peg tube is used when an e-tube for whatever reason doesn't work. Or the vet just prefers it, much more expensive, and a more extensive surgery too, but some vets will only do them, in my opinion because they are money hungry. Taylor this tube probably wasn't placed right. It didn't seem to want to go down into her tummy and would just come right back up and out around the bandage on her neck. It was a totally awful experience all the way around. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Update on Kisa
I agree. I'm just now getting out from under dealing with the beginning of Sammy's lymphoma and Billi Bi's plugged up little peepee and all the problems that causes. All of a sudden you won't feel so terribly burdened but when you are in the middle of all this stuff it is truly overwhelming. Sammy and The 3 Orange Boyz and Lilibet and Billi Bi say Hi! Glad you're home! Much nicer being in your favorite places with your own box and dishes and MOMMY to feed you (well, better when you're not barfing)! Love, Headbutts and Purrs, Us Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On May 30, 2007, at 7:59 AM, Belinda wrote: Hi Cassandra, Just read your email and see you have Kisa at home. That's great. Are you home all day, if so try what I said. Never give meds on an empty tummy. I'm starting to wonder if Kisa doesn't have pancreatitis going on, if she continues to vomit once your feeding small amounts more often, I would see about checking her for that, there is a specfic test that can detect it, something like a PLR, I'll find out my friend has had a couple of cats with it. She has many special needs cats. One cat has had pancreatitis off and on for the last 10 years and is still going strong, she is 14 now (the cat). Of course the vets gave up on her long ago. PS. Some vomiting at first is probably not out of the ordinary given her fatty liver,and hemo, she is very sick, some, actually many cats get worse before they get better. Of course you don't want vomiting every meal or it isn't doing any good, but with smaller meals and I'm serious, 10 to 20ccs every hour or two to start is big enough, and you will have to feed round the clock to start. Sick kitties can take alot of work to get well when they are as sick as Kisa is, but they will recover if you can devote the time and care she needs. And once the antibiotics start working on the hemo, she will feel better and hopefully start getting her appetite back. Pleas don't loose heart, you have a long road ahead of you but you can do it. I'm here any time you need to talk or rant or anything. If she is vomiting alot you may want give fluids, vomiting causes dehydration. Dehydration makes a cat feel horrible. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Killing cats who pee on RUGS*****
Way. Do you use white or apple cider vinegar? I didn't know you could use that! How do you use it? (Duh.) Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On May 30, 2007, at 8:34 AM, Stray Cat Alliance wrote: I purchased Feliway, spent a lot of money, and it really didn't help. I guess one possible, albeit monetary only, comfort is -- vinegar is way cheaper! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Killing cats who pee on RUGS* Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 17:47:29 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Feliway to the rescue! www.RevivalAnimal.com has a great price on all Feliway stuff. Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On May 29, 2007, at 10:07 AM, Pam Norman wrote: Anita, that sounds more like spraying to me a direct reaction to the newcomers. Very common. In time hopefully it will decrease. I had to deal with it too for years. My piano was ruined needs total refinishing. But that can be done at some point. I can't cuddle my piano love it feel its warmth against my back in bed on cold winter nights. Stray Cat Alliance wrote: Ever since we added 2 kittens to our household last July (they were initially fosters but due to illness and other issues we ended up keeping them), our cat Stinky (how appropro) has been peeing everywhere. Thank goodness we have only one area rug -- which of course, he does not pee on. He pees on vertical surfaces such as furniture like the stereo stand, walls, in front of the front and basement doors. Ugh. Our house smells like vinegar and the furniture is ruined. My husband keeps saying, we have to get rid of Stinky. I'm like -- I don't think so. We'll just have to deal with it. He is at least 7 years old and hopefully if we ever get to move to a bigger house, it will stop. Anita -- -- Create the ultimate e-mail address book. Import your contacts to Windows Live Hotmail. Try it! www.windowslive-hotmail.com/ learnmore/managemail2.html?locale=en- usocid=RMT_TAGLM_HMWL_reten_impcont_0507 Download Messenger. Start an i’m conversation. Support a cause. Join Now!
Re: Update on Kisa
Cassandra, run to the drug store or grocery and buy a bunch of disposible bedpads. They work really well. You can just kind of drape them oh your bed for little Kisa. I know she is so happy and feels so loved to be with you and your husband in bed. And she knows how hard you are working to help her. Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On May 30, 2007, at 2:13 PM, C J wrote: The thing is with the vomiting though, I don't think its just because i'm feeding her. For the last week, she's been vomiting consistently before I ever feed her. When the vomiting first started suddenly, she vomited several times a day with a completely empty stomach for about 3 days. We then started syringe feeding her, and as soon as we brought her out from her hiding spot, she would vomitthen we would syringe her the food. So yesterday, she vomited after syringing her the food, so I probably gave too much to start. I took her to the vet today, to get the tube put back in, and she got a shot of metachlopramide. Now the problem is, they didn't give me any more of the metachlopramide because they said its a drug filtered by the liver, and if her liver isn't functioning properly, too much of that will cause a problem. They just said to feed her about 12cc followed by 4cc water3 times a day.to see if she would keep that down. I mentioned that I didn't know how i'd be able to get enough calories into her with that small amount, but they just said to see how it goes. What a pain in the butt, because i'm fairly certain that even if I feed her such a tiny amount, i'm betting she's still going to vomit here at some point...possibly vomiting out that tube again. If she vomits again today, i'll have to get more of the metachlopramide even if its going to cause a problem with her liver. This seems to be a no win situation here. Plus, she's definately not feeling very well. All she wants to do is hide, and then lay in one spot all day. I wouldn't doubt it if she's depressed after all this. I notice her breathing seems fast also. I took her to bed with me last night, because she seems to enjoy that, and she did purr for awhile. The problem was, she was peeing about every 3 hours (probably from being on the IV for 2 days), and she was doing it in bed. I put plastic and towels under her, but she missed them once and I had to rip the bed apart in the middle of the night before it soaked too deep. She is too lethargic to get up for anything, unless its running to hide somewhere. All I can do is pray for a miracle, that somehow she will be able to pull through this mess since everything seems to be going wrong. Even my vet, who seems pretty good so far is gone now for a few weeks, so i'll have to deal with a different vet that doesn't know what's been going on so far. I was liking this vet, because he wasn't all doom and gloom like the last 2 vets i've dealt with. If he had the opinion that Kisa didn't have much of a chance, he kept it to himself, and was willing to try whatever I wanted. The last 2 vets i've had were always wanting to make it quite clear that she didn't have a chance and it wasn't worth spending too much on her. I don't see any reason why a vet has to make sure that you have no hope, hope is the only thing that keeps me functioning. Cassandra - Original Message - From: Belinda To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 7:47 AM Subject: Re: Update on Kisa Cassandra, I've had 3 cats with feeding tube (e-tube in the esphogus) and never had a problem with vomiting with any of them unless I was going too fast or giving meds on an empty tummy, once I figured out what I was doing wrong it was no longer an issue. All of my feeding tube experiences as far as the feeding themselves went beautifully. Fred did have an infection problem at the entry site that we couldn't get rid of because the vets wouldn't leave him on the antibiotics long enough. But his feedings went great and he gained back most of the weight he had lost, he never vomited once even with is infection problem. There are several reasons a cat will vomit when getting fed through a feeding tube, getting fed too fast, getting too much food at once, when a cat hasn't eaten for as long as Kisa hasn't you have to go slowly and build up to a bigger amount. What I mean is, she needs to be fed 10 to 20 cc's every hour or two, for the first day, then maybe 15 to 25 every couple of hours then next day, and unfortunetly you aren't going to find many, if any vets willing to devote that kind of time to one animal so it would probably be better if she were home if you can devote that kind of time to her care. Other reasons include the tube not being placed correctly, with an e-tube there is a specific area the tube should be, not higher not
Re: Caroline et al
Oh, I'm so glad that Caroline is neurologically normal now! I'm thinking that little Jasmine is just freaked out and not eating because Caroline as away and sick. Did you take little Jasmine to see Caroline? She might think something bad has happened to her and she'll never see her again! Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On May 30, 2007, at 2:51 PM, Kelley Saveika wrote: Hi guys, My vet says Caroline is now neurologically normal, she has dolls eye reflex, dazzle reflex, etc. He is still treating the symptoms. I can't afford to get a CT scan for brain cancer and there is no test for dry FIP until they are dead, as far as I know. It could still be toxo. She is still not eating and underweight. They are tube feeding her. He did say that once they start seizing with either dry FIP or brain cancer. I had a bad feeling about Jasmine, so I brought her in..no symptoms of anything but she has lost a pound..which is like 10% of her body weight..sigh. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Gandalf! http://www.firstgiving.com/gandalfkitty I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
Re: Update on Kisa
Well, THERE you go! Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On May 30, 2007, at 3:16 PM, Belinda wrote: If you get the injectable metachlopramide it bypasses the liver. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Update on Kisa
Oh, oops! Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On May 30, 2007, at 8:07 PM, Belinda wrote: Oh my god, I guess I should read my message before I send it, I meant ... try not to feel stressed I'd just like to add to this to try and feel be stressed, frustrated or think negatively, I know that seems almost impossible when things just seem to keep not working but cats are very sensitive to our feelings and your stress and fear is being picked up by her. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: l-lysine - ADVISE
Oh, perfect Pippin! Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On May 31, 2007, at 1:20 AM, Gina WN wrote: When Pippin tested FeLV positive at six weeks of age, I started giving her 500 mg of Lysine a day. This was based upon information from this group. My vet did not think it would hurt but she didn't think it would necessarily help. At any rate, Pippin has been FeLV negative as of six months of age (she's one year old now.) I don't know if the Lysine helped her throw the virus, or she had a false positive test, but it didn't hurt her any. Gina Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use the l-lysine from a health food store, the powder inside a capsule, 250-500 mg once a day. It's an amino acid and is water soluble so any excess is excreted in the urine. Hard to OD on l- lysine. Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I have is Vet Viralys which I got from my vet. It says use 1/2 scoop (one scoop = 250 mg of l-lysine) twice a day for kittens under 6 months and 1 scoop for cats over six months but that the dosage can be adjusted. My vet didn't think oding would cause a problem. I don't know if this will help or not. Frankly, I would call my vet and ask. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: wendy To: Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 10:30 PM Subject: Re: l-lysine - ADVISE Rett, I cannot answer your question completely, but in case you don't get anymore replies, I used to give Smookie, my new kitten last year who had a corneal ulcer, 500 mg 2x per day. Some will probaby say that's a lot, but it worked wonders. Smookie was probably at least six months old at that point and at least 5 lbs. I would not give that much to one as small as you have. Hopefully, you'll get more info. on this. Also, make sure that the lysine does not have the additive propynol glycol. It causes blood issues in cats. :) Wendy --- Rett Lacy wrote: Hello, How much do you give a kitten before their next retest ( first one, weak positive). Mg?? xday?? etc. Weight 2.5 - 3.0. Thanks to all.. Rett Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ __ __Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545469 Visit my Tigger Tales site! Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! Mail for Mobile and always stay connected to friends.
Re: Update on Kisa
Oh, poor baby Kisa! We will be praying for her. Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On May 31, 2007, at 11:23 AM, catatonya wrote: Cassandra, I'm so sorry. I hope Kisa takes a turn for the better. tonya C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I think its time to give up trying to force feed Kisa. I think she must be severely anemic now. Her breathing is very rapid, and this morning she was panting for awhile and it sounded very labored. She's in no condition to be shoving food down her throat. I don't know how long she may last in this state, but it must be quite uncomfortable. I don't know what to do anymore. I'm trying to decide if I should bring her in to the vet to have her put to sleep, or hold out and hope she can pull off a miracle like Tomi did. I called in sick to work today, just so I can be with her..since I don't know how much longer she can do this. Cassandra - Original Message - From: C J To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 8:22 PM Subject: Re: Update on Kisa The metachlopramide doesn't seem to be helping. She had a shot this morning, and vomited mid afternoon. Then I gave her a shot tonight, and fed her 30 mins later...she vomited that up. We actually pulled her tube out, unclogged it, and put it back in. But when she vomited tonight, she vomited it out again, and bit it off. I'm thinking of getting some more tubes from the vet, and just putting them in ourselves. We syringe fed her 30cc along with her pills after that, hopefully she can keep that down for awhile. She seems to keep stuff down if you give it to her after she vomits. The syringe feeding is not a good thing to do with her, she gets so stressed out about it. Her breathing is fairly rapid now, and doing the syringe feeding, her breathing is super fast. I'm thinking we may be fighting a losing battle here. We can't seem to stop the vomiting, and while she's doing that, we can't keep food/water down her. She's going downhill meanwhile. I would like to try to feel less stressed and more positive around her, but it seems so hard. Everytime I look at her lying there so depressed, with her beautiful white fur stained from food/vomit, when she should be racing around the house without a care in the world, I just can't stop the tears. This waiting is definately the hardest part. Cassandra
