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I said that to my vet one time about the vaccine offering no protection at all 
if given at the same time as surgery.  The vet agreed.  What could she say.  We 
weren't talking about a specific pet though so there was no arguing but when I 
said it to a vet tech one time it kind of shocked her and she finally stumbled 
out that they just have to do it for the sake of liability, etc. just so they 
can say they gave the shot.  We weren't talking about the rabies shot though so 
I know she was just grasping at straws.  Matter of fact, I almost refuse to 
have vaccinations done at the time of surgery because I am already worried 
about the surgery weakening their immune system.  I get them done ahead of time 
if at all possible.  Every situation is different and I get by with certain 
things with certain vets because I've been in rescue for awhile.  But yeah, 
most vets I know also won't do surgery without vaccinations.  My normal vet 
won't even do surgery without the pre-surgery bloodwork.  That should be 
optional not required.  Pissed me off when I found out about it.  It's not 
required for Humane society fosters but for normal clients it is.

Regarding the cat needing to be neutered - many FeLV + cats get fixed and 
recover okay.  I look at it like this - there's just no choice when it comes to 
spay/neuter.  It's a necessary risk.  The animal will be miserable without the 
surgery and will try to get out and might infect other cats.  Just don't do the 
vaccinations like everyone else said.  If the kitty needs a rabies get it done 
a couple weeks ahead if possible.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

 From: maima...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 10:20:40 -0600
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
 
 Interestingly, the vaccination is not retro-activethere is a time  
 lapse between the vaccination and the time it takes effect so  
 vaccinating one the day of surgery gives no one protection.
 On Jan 4, 2012, at 8:26 AM, GRAS wrote:
 
  It's really hard for me to understand why a vet wouldn't operate on  
  a cat without vaccinations.  What if surgery is imminently required,  
  does he wait until the cat is vaccinated, and then operate, even if  
  it may be dangerous for the cat to wait?  This also means that a  
  sick cat would have to be vaccinated, doesn't it?  Very odd! Natalie
 
  -Original Message-
  From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
  [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
  ] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net
  Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 9:26 PM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
 
  My vet will not operate if the animal does not have vaccinations up  
  to date and if tey are running a fevor, have open wounds, etc.  He  
  treats the wounds, fevor first, then when they are healed, does  
  surgery.
 
   Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote:
  I have ALWAYS wondered that! How would they know until the cat  
  never wakes up. I bet it happens more than anyone knows!
 
  Sent from my iPhone
 
  On Jan 3, 2012, at 3:08 PM, GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote:
 
  My veterinarian would NEVER vaccinate a cat that is even slightly  
  under the weather…you are right, how would they know if cats have  
  had any reactions
 
  From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
  [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
  Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 3:08 PM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
 
  I started making it very plain that I did not want the  
  vaccinations at that time..and still had a vet give a rabies  
  shot to a very sick cat.  When I expressed my displeasure, the  
  tech informed me that they had never had any trouble  
  with...  Given that most cats in this county, including  
  the little one in question, live outside, he would never know.
 
 
  On Jan 3, 2012, at 10:48 AM, Marcia wrote:
 
 
  My cat Fletch also spiraled downhill after being neutered. But  
  honestly, they vaccinated him with core vaccines AND  Felv, and I  
  think that is what started him on his downward spiral. I didn't  
  ask for that either. But I agree that it would have been much more  
  stressful for him to stay intact.
 
  Sent from my iPhone
 
  On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:42 AM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net 
   wrote:
 
  Sorry to say, but I had my kitten neutered at 6 mos. of age (at  
  the time we did not know he was positive because he actually  
  tested neg for it when he was much younger). He died at 9 mos of  
  severe anemia  other complications due to being FeLV positive.  I  
  don't know if getting him neutered

Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat









Good point.

All this talk about vaccinations made me think about my FeLV + kitten.  I 
hadn't even thought about it until today but she's old enough for a rabies 
shot.  She's about four and a half months old right now.  Do you think I should 
get one for her?  She does go into my backyard but I have a cat fence and she 
can't get out.  It's possible she could get bitten by something in the yard I 
guess, but not likely.  I guess I should get a rabies shot for her just in 
case.  What do you guys think?  I know legally I'm supposed to but I'm not 
worried about that right now, I just don't want to give her unnecessary 
vaccinations.  Maybe I'll just wait until she's about 6 months old.


“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

From: maima...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 10:21:48 -0600
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat

Some vets seem to think enforcing a law that puts the burden of vaccination on 
the owner is the vets responsibilitynot so.
On Jan 4, 2012, at 8:38 AM, Marcia Baronda wrote:My daughter took her cat to 
the vet in Ohio to get dental work done. The cat is 13, was bottle raised by 
her, and has NEVER set foot outside. He has no idea what outside is. Yet, 
they informed her that they would not touch her cat without giving him a rabies 
vaccine. It is strictly a county law. The next county over didn't require a 
rabies shot. So, she text me from the vet and said I lied, I told them he had 
a rabies shot. They let it go at that, thankfully. My daughter was trying to 
do what she could to keep him from an unnecessary vaccination. And, it worked!!
 
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 3:03 PM, GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote:
 However, if a cat is strictly indoors, one can easily get away with not giving 
them rabies vaccines…who would know? 

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I think I might have mentioned it to you guys before but in case I didn't, 
studies have shown that the normal 1 year rabies vaccinations will provide 
immunity for at least 4 years.  Interesting huh?  I need to check out that 
group again to see if they've found anything else out or if it actually last 
longer than the 4 years even.  I know they were doing more research studies.

Will most vets give the 3 year one to a kitten?  Most vets I've been to 
recommend that the kittens get the 1 year vaccination and then the next year 
they get the 3 year one.  I'm sure the 3 year ones are safe for kittens I'm 
just wondering if the vets will actually let you do it.  Then again, I'll 
probably wait until she's about 8 months old (if I still have her) so she won't 
really be a kitten anymore so it may not matter.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 13:06:22 -0500
From: g...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat



When you do, get the 3-yr rabies; my vet says there’s no longer of any danger 
as there used to be. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 12:31 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat Figure the chances of 
something biting her and that the something might be rabid and might pass that 
on to her vs possible issues with the vaccine.  Remembering of course that she 
is young and compromised as is.On Jan 4, 2012, at 11:26 AM, Maureen Olvey wrote:


Good point.

All this talk about vaccinations made me think about my FeLV + kitten.  I 
hadn't even thought about it until today but she's old enough for a rabies 
shot.  She's about four and a half months old right now.  Do you think I should 
get one for her?  She does go into my backyard but I have a cat fence and she 
can't get out.  It's possible she could get bitten by something in the yard I 
guess, but not likely.  I guess I should get a rabies shot for her just in 
case.  What do you guys think?  I know legally I'm supposed to but I'm not 
worried about that right now, I just don't want to give her unnecessary 
vaccinations.  Maybe I'll just wait until she's about 6 months old.


“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark 
TwainFrom: maima...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 10:21:48 -0600
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat

Some vets seem to think enforcing a law that puts the burden of vaccination on 
the owner is the vets responsibilitynot so.On Jan 4, 2012, at 8:38 AM, 
Marcia Baronda wrote: My daughter took her cat to the vet in Ohio to get dental 
work done. The cat is 13, was bottle raised by her, and has NEVER set foot 
outside. He has no idea what outside is. Yet, they informed her that they 
would not touch her cat without giving him a rabies vaccine. It is strictly a 
county law. The next county over didn't require a rabies shot. So, she text me 
from the vet and said I lied, I told them he had a rabies shot. They let it 
go at that, thankfully. My daughter was trying to do what she could to keep him 
from an unnecessary vaccination. And, it worked!!On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 3:03 
PM, GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote:However, if a cat is strictly indoors, one 
can easily get away with not giving them rabies vaccines…who would know?  
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Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat

2012-01-04 Thread lernermichelle


 the 1 year and 3 year shots are the same shot. the recommendations just 
require a booster 1 year after the first shot, so the first time it's calle 1 
year and thereafter 3 year.

there is a less common brand called purevax that is only approved for every 
year versus every 3 years. it's only if you get that one that it's different 
than a 3 year. i get that for my cats because it does not have the adjuvant 
that can cause tumors. But I avoided vaccinating my positives entirely. They 
had one rabies and initial distemper when they came to me and i left it at 
that. when i moved and had to license i got a vet exemption letter due to 
health.

Michelle

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wed, Jan 4, 2012 1:16 pm
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat


I think I might have mentioned it to you guys before but in case I didn't, 
studies have shown that the normal 1 year rabies vaccinations will provide 
immunity for at least 4 years.  Interesting huh?  I need to check out that 
group again to see if they've found anything else out or if it actually last 
longer than the 4 years even.  I know they were doing more research studies.

Will most vets give the 3 year one to a kitten?  Most vets I've been to 
recommend that the kittens get the 1 year vaccination and then the next year 
they get the 3 year one.  I'm sure the 3 year ones are safe for kittens I'm 
just wondering if the vets will actually let you do it.  Then again, I'll 
probably wait until she's about 8 months old (if I still have her) so she won't 
really be a kitten anymore so it may not matter.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain




Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 13:06:22 -0500
From: g...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat


When you do, get the 3-yr rabies; my vet says there’s no longer of any danger 
as there used to be.
 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 12:31 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat

 
Figure the chances of something biting her and that the something might be 
rabid and might pass that on to her vs possible issues with the vaccine.  
Remembering of course that she is young and compromised as is.

On Jan 4, 2012, at 11:26 AM, Maureen Olvey wrote:







Good point.

All this talk about vaccinations made me think about my FeLV + kitten.  I 
hadn't even thought about it until today but she's old enough for a rabies 
shot.  She's about four and a half months old right now.  Do you think I should 
get one for her?  She does go into my backyard but I have a cat fence and she 
can't get out.  It's possible she could get bitten by something in the yard I 
guess, but not likely.  I guess I should get a rabies shot for her just in 
case.  What do you guys think?  I know legally I'm supposed to but I'm not 
worried about that right now, I just don't want to give her unnecessary 
vaccinations.  Maybe I'll just wait until she's about 6 months old.


“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain



From: maima...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 10:21:48 -0600
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat

Some vets seem to think enforcing a law that puts the burden of vaccination on 
the owner is the vets responsibilitynot so.

On Jan 4, 2012, at 8:38 AM, Marcia Baronda wrote:

 
My daughter took her cat to the vet in Ohio to get dental work done. The cat is 
13, was bottle raised by her, and has NEVER set foot outside. He has no idea 
what outside is. Yet, they informed her that they would not touch her cat 
without giving him a rabies vaccine. It is strictly a county law. The next 
county over didn't require a rabies shot. So, she text me from the vet and said 
I lied, I told them he had a rabies shot. They let it go at that, thankfully. 
My daughter was trying to do what she could to keep him from an unnecessary 
vaccination. And, it worked!!

On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 3:03 PM, GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote:


However, if a cat is strictly indoors, one can easily get away with not giving 
them rabies vaccines…who would know?

 

 





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Oh, that makes sense.  Thanks for the explanation.  I had heard that the one 
year and the three year shots were the same but I didn't understand why the 
shots were a different price and the vets talk like it's a different shot.

I might start asking for the Purevax without the adjuvant for my cats.  I 
didn't really know there was an option so that's also helpful information.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
From: lernermiche...@aol.com
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 13:22:35 -0500
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat



 the 1 year and 3 year shots are the same shot. the recommendations just 
require a booster 1 year after the first shot, so the first time it's calle 1 
year and thereafter 3 year.



there is a less common brand called purevax that is only approved for every 
year versus every 3 years. it's only if you get that one that it's different 
than a 3 year. i get that for my cats because it does not have the adjuvant 
that can cause tumors. But I avoided vaccinating my positives entirely. They 
had one rabies and initial distemper when they came to me and i left it at 
that. when i moved and had to license i got a vet exemption letter due to 
health.



Michelle






 






 






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From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com


To: felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org


Sent: Wed, Jan 4, 2012 1:16 pm


Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat



















I think I might have mentioned it to you guys before but in case I didn't, 
studies have shown that the normal 1 year rabies vaccinations will provide 
immunity for at least 4 years.  Interesting huh?  I need to check out that 
group again to see if they've found anything else out or if it actually last 
longer than the 4 years even.  I know they were doing more research studies.





Will most vets give the 3 year one to a kitten?  Most vets I've been to 
recommend that the kittens get the 1 year vaccination and then the next year 
they get the 3 year one.  I'm sure the 3 year ones are safe for kittens I'm 
just wondering if the vets will actually let you do it.  Then again, I'll 
probably wait until she's about 8 months old (if I still have her) so she won't 
really be a kitten anymore so it may not matter.







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[Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat

2012-01-04 Thread GRAS

 

.and on the same note, as the rabies providing immunity for up to 4 years,
some states accept results of a titer to show that the animal is still
protected, especially if an animal's immune system is compromised and too
many vaccines aren't advisable.  Find out if it applies in your states.
Natalie

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 1:15 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat

 

I think I might have mentioned it to you guys before but in case I didn't,
studies have shown that the normal 1 year rabies vaccinations will provide
immunity for at least 4 years.  Interesting huh?  I need to check out that
group again to see if they've found anything else out or if it actually last
longer than the 4 years even.  I know they were doing more research studies.

Will most vets give the 3 year one to a kitten?  Most vets I've been to
recommend that the kittens get the 1 year vaccination and then the next year
they get the 3 year one.  I'm sure the 3 year ones are safe for kittens I'm
just wondering if the vets will actually let you do it.  Then again, I'll
probably wait until she's about 8 months old (if I still have her) so she
won't really be a kitten anymore so it may not matter.

I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are
profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. - Mark
Twain

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Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat

2012-01-03 Thread Marcia

My cat Fletch also spiraled downhill after being neutered. But honestly, they 
vaccinated him with core vaccines AND  Felv, and I think that is what started 
him on his downward spiral. I didn't ask for that either. But I agree that it 
would have been much more stressful for him to stay intact.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:42 AM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net wrote:

 Sorry to say, but I had my kitten neutered at 6 mos. of age (at the time we 
 did not know he was positive because he actually tested neg for it when he 
 was much younger). He died at 9 mos of severe anemia  other complications 
 due to being FeLV positive.  I don't know if getting him neutered triggered 
 this but now I'm wondering since you've mentioned this.  Has anyone else 
 heard of this?
 - Original Message -
 From: dppl dppl
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 11:25 AM
 Subject: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
 
 I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in October who tested positive. He 
 seems to be
 healthy at this time and  around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should have 
 him
 neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a positive cat,
 claiming surgery could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone neutered
 their positive cat after finding out it was positive and what was your 
 experience?
 Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet give
 vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed positive. She sent 
 the
 blookwork to an outside lad since she said it would be less costly and that 
 same visit
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Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat

2012-01-03 Thread Marta Gasper

Neutering won't do a thing to most FeLV+ but vaccinating will to all. It is 
most stressful being intact and no release. A + kitty should have at most the 
rabies vaccine and only that one. A FIV+ can have rabies and one another but 
not FIV/FeLV.
And it always depend on at what point(stage) the cat is. I would just give 
rabies to a symptomatic b/c it is the law and no others, same with FIV.
One would think that vets would be aware of it..even staff should be or they 
shouldn't be working atr a clinic. If pets were people that were killed b/c a 
nurse gave them the wrong vaccine it is involuntary manslaughter, at least 
she'd lose her job if not her license, vet  clinic staff on the other hand..argh
Marta
 
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--- On Tue, 1/3/12, Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote:


From: Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Tuesday, January 3, 2012, 4:48 PM




My cat Fletch also spiraled downhill after being neutered. But honestly, they 
vaccinated him with core vaccines AND  Felv, and I think that is what started 
him on his downward spiral. I didn't ask for that either. But I agree that it 
would have been much more stressful for him to stay intact.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:42 AM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net wrote:







Sorry to say, but I had my kitten neutered at 6 mos. of age (at the time we did 
not know he was positive because he actually tested neg for it when he was much 
younger). He died at 9 mos of severe anemia  other complications due to being 
FeLV positive.  I don't know if getting him neutered triggered this but now I'm 
wondering since you've mentioned this.  Has anyone else heard of this?

- Original Message - 
From: dppl dppl 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 11:25 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat



I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in October who tested positive. He seems 
to be
healthy at this time and  around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should have him
neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a positive cat,
claiming surgery could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone neutered
their positive cat after finding out it was positive and what was your 
experience?
Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet give
vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed positive. She sent 
the 
blookwork to an outside lad since she said it would be less costly and that 
same visit
when blood was drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations.



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Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat

2012-01-03 Thread MaiMaiPG

Some jurisdictions accept a vet's letter that an animal is not well  
enough to receive rabies vaccinations.  My vet did this when I had a  
dog with auto-immune issues.


If that doesn't work, the vaccination does not have to be done at the  
same time as the neuter.  My current cats are very health but I  
stretched their vaccinations and neutering out.  More trips to the vet  
and more expensive but worth it to me.

On Jan 3, 2012, at 11:19 AM,  Gasper wrote:

Neutering won't do a thing to most FeLV+ but vaccinating will to  
all. It is most stressful being intact and no release. A + kitty  
should have at most the rabies vaccine and only that one. A FIV+ can  
have rabies and one another but not FIV/FeLV.
And it always depend on at what point(stage) the cat is. I would  
just give rabies to a symptomatic b/c it is the law and no others,  
same with FIV.
One would think that vets would be aware of it..even staff should be  
or they shouldn't be working atr a clinic. If pets were people that  
were killed b/c a nurse gave them the wrong vaccine it is  
involuntary manslaughter, at least she'd lose her job if not her  
license, vet  clinic staff on the other hand..argh

Marta

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From: Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Tuesday, January 3, 2012, 4:48 PM

My cat Fletch also spiraled downhill after being neutered. But  
honestly, they vaccinated him with core vaccines AND  Felv, and I  
think that is what started him on his downward spiral. I didn't ask  
for that either. But I agree that it would have been much more  
stressful for him to stay intact.


Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:42 AM, Lynda Wilson  
longhornf...@verizon.net wrote:


Sorry to say, but I had my kitten neutered at 6 mos. of age (at the  
time we did not know he was positive because he actually tested neg  
for it when he was much younger). He died at 9 mos of severe anemia  
 other complications due to being FeLV positive.  I don't know if  
getting him neutered triggered this but now I'm wondering since  
you've mentioned this.  Has anyone else heard of this?

- Original Message -
From: dppl dppl
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 11:25 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat

I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in October who tested  
positive. He seems to be
healthy at this time and  around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I  
should have him
neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a  
positive cat,
claiming surgery could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone  
neutered
their positive cat after finding out it was positive and what was  
your experience?
Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why  
the vet give
vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed  
positive. She sent the
blookwork to an outside lad since she said it would be less costly  
and that same visit

when blood was drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations.
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Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat

2012-01-03 Thread MaiMaiPG

I started making it very plain that I did not want the vaccinations at  
that time..and still had a vet give a rabies shot to a very sick  
cat.  When I expressed my displeasure, the tech informed me that they  
had never had any trouble with...  Given that most cats in  
this county, including the little one in question, live outside, he  
would never know.



On Jan 3, 2012, at 10:48 AM, Marcia wrote:

My cat Fletch also spiraled downhill after being neutered. But  
honestly, they vaccinated him with core vaccines AND  Felv, and I  
think that is what started him on his downward spiral. I didn't ask  
for that either. But I agree that it would have been much more  
stressful for him to stay intact.


Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:42 AM, Lynda Wilson  
longhornf...@verizon.net wrote:


Sorry to say, but I had my kitten neutered at 6 mos. of age (at the  
time we did not know he was positive because he actually tested neg  
for it when he was much younger). He died at 9 mos of severe anemia  
 other complications due to being FeLV positive.  I don't know if  
getting him neutered triggered this but now I'm wondering since  
you've mentioned this.  Has anyone else heard of this?

- Original Message -
From: dppl dppl
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 11:25 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat

I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in October who tested  
positive. He seems to be
healthy at this time and  around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I  
should have him
neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a  
positive cat,
claiming surgery could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone  
neutered
their positive cat after finding out it was positive and what was  
your experience?
Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why  
the vet give
vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed  
positive. She sent the
blookwork to an outside lad since she said it would be less costly  
and that same visit

when blood was drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations.


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Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat

2012-01-03 Thread Marcia Baronda

yes, i totally agree with you. they should definitelty be stretched out!!

On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 2:03 PM, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote:

Some jurisdictions accept a vet's letter that an animal is not well enough
to receive rabies vaccinations. My vet did this when I had a dog with
auto-immune issues.

If that doesn't work, the vaccination does not have to be done at the same
time as the neuter. My current cats are very health but I stretched their
vaccinations and neutering out. More trips to the vet and more expensive
but worth it to me.

On Jan 3, 2012, at 11:19 AM, Gasper wrote:

Neutering won't do a thing to most FeLV+ but vaccinating will to all. It
is most stressful being intact and no release. A + kitty should have at
most the rabies vaccine and only that one. A FIV+ can have rabies and one
another but not FIV/FeLV.
And it always depend on at what point(stage) the cat is. I would just give
rabies to a symptomatic b/c it is the law and no others, same with FIV.
One would think that vets would be aware of it..even staff should be or
they shouldn't be working atr a clinic. If pets were people that were
killed b/c a nurse gave them the wrong vaccine it is involuntary
manslaughter, at least she'd lose her job if not her license, vet clinic
staff on the other hand..argh
Marta

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From: Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Tuesday, January 3, 2012, 4:48 PM

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:42 AM, Lynda Wilson
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*Sent:* Monday, January 02, 2012 11:25 AM
*Subject:* [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat

I still have Mitt, the kitten* I found in October who tested positive. He
seems to be*
*healthy at this time and around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should
have him*
*neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a
positive cat,*
*claiming surgery could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone
neutered*
*their positive cat after finding out it was positive and what was your
experience?*
*Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the
vet give*
*vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed positive. She
sent the*
*blookwork to an outside lad since she said it would be less costly and
that same visit*
*when blood was drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations.*
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Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat

2012-01-03 Thread GRAS

Vaccinating FeLV+ kittens is far more dangerous than neutering them.  However, 
since they would be indoor cats anyway, no danger of impregnating any females, 
I don’t see any real reason for neutering them.  If one considers that their 
lives would not be that long, if they already exhibit symptoms, the only thing 
that could happen is that they might start spraying and have very stinky urine.

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 11:48 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat

 

My cat Fletch also spiraled downhill after being neutered. But honestly, they 
vaccinated him with core vaccines AND  Felv, and I think that is what started 
him on his downward spiral. I didn't ask for that either. But I agree that it 
would have been much more stressful for him to stay intact.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:42 AM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net wrote:

Sorry to say, but I had my kitten neutered at 6 mos. of age (at the time we did 
not know he was positive because he actually tested neg for it when he was much 
younger). He died at 9 mos of severe anemia  other complications due to being 
FeLV positive.  I don't know if getting him neutered triggered this but now I'm 
wondering since you've mentioned this.  Has anyone else heard of this?

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From: dppl dppl mailto:dppl1...@yahoo.com  

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 

Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 11:25 AM

Subject: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat

 

I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in October who tested positive. He seems 
to be

healthy at this time and  around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should have him

neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a positive cat,

claiming surgery could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone neutered

their positive cat after finding out it was positive and what was your 
experience?

Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet give

vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed positive. She sent 
the 

blookwork to an outside lad since she said it would be less costly and that 
same visit

when blood was drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations.

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Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat

2012-01-03 Thread GRAS

However, if a cat is strictly indoors, one can easily get away with not
giving them rabies vaccines.who would know?

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marta Gasper
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 12:19 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat

Neutering won't do a thing to most FeLV+ but vaccinating will to all. It is
most stressful being intact and no release. A + kitty should have at most
the rabies vaccine and only that one. A FIV+ can have rabies and one another
but not FIV/FeLV.

And it always depend on at what point(stage) the cat is. I would just give
rabies to a symptomatic b/c it is the law and no others, same with FIV.

One would think that vets would be aware of it..even staff should be or they
shouldn't be working atr a clinic. If pets were people that were killed b/c
a nurse gave them the wrong vaccine it is involuntary manslaughter, at least
she'd lose her job if not her license, vet  clinic staff on the other
hand..argh

Marta

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From: Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Tuesday, January 3, 2012, 4:48 PM

My cat Fletch also spiraled downhill after being neutered. But honestly,
they vaccinated him with core vaccines AND  Felv, and I think that is what
started him on his downward spiral. I didn't ask for that either. But I
agree that it would have been much more stressful for him to stay intact.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:42 AM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net
http://us.mc1102.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=longhornf...@verizon.net 
wrote:

Sorry to say, but I had my kitten neutered at 6 mos. of age (at the time we
did not know he was positive because he actually tested neg for it when he
was much younger). He died at 9 mos of severe anemia  other complications
due to being FeLV positive.  I don't know if getting him neutered triggered
this but now I'm wondering since you've mentioned this.  Has anyone else
heard of this?

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Subject: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat

I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in October who tested positive. He
seems to be

healthy at this time and  around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should have
him

neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a positive
cat,

claiming surgery could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone neutered

their positive cat after finding out it was positive and what was your
experience?

Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet
give

vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed positive. She
sent the 

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same visit

when blood was drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations.

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Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat

2012-01-03 Thread GRAS

My veterinarian would NEVER vaccinate a cat that is even slightly under the
weather.you are right, how would they know if cats have had any
reactions

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 3:08 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat

I started making it very plain that I did not want the vaccinations at that
time..and still had a vet give a rabies shot to a very sick cat.  When I
expressed my displeasure, the tech informed me that they had never had any
trouble with...  Given that most cats in this county, including the
little one in question, live outside, he would never know.

On Jan 3, 2012, at 10:48 AM, Marcia wrote:

My cat Fletch also spiraled downhill after being neutered. But honestly,
they vaccinated him with core vaccines AND  Felv, and I think that is what
started him on his downward spiral. I didn't ask for that either. But I
agree that it would have been much more stressful for him to stay intact.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:42 AM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net
wrote:

Sorry to say, but I had my kitten neutered at 6 mos. of age (at the time we
did not know he was positive because he actually tested neg for it when he
was much younger). He died at 9 mos of severe anemia  other complications
due to being FeLV positive.  I don't know if getting him neutered triggered
this but now I'm wondering since you've mentioned this.  Has anyone else
heard of this?

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From: dppl dppl mailto:dppl1...@yahoo.com 

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 11:25 AM

Subject: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat

I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in October who tested positive. He
seems to be

healthy at this time and  around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should have
him

neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a positive
cat,

claiming surgery could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone neutered

their positive cat after finding out it was positive and what was your
experience?

Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet
give

vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed positive. She
sent the

blookwork to an outside lad since she said it would be less costly and that
same visit

when blood was drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations.

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Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat

2012-01-03 Thread HIDEYO YAMAMOTO


I would recommend to run a blood work to make sure that everything looks good 
before the surgery - especially CBC portion as sometimes their WBC/RBC might be 
a little off -
I don't know if it's conincidence or not - I do believe that stress sort of 
triggered the disease - my completely healthy cat Tsubomi died about a month 
after the surgery - I think she had lymphoma - but we did not even think of it 
as she was completely healthy - I was devastated.
 
Hideyo
 

 Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 16:02:48 -0500
 From: felineres...@frontier.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
 
 I rescue cats and I've have had many FelV positive cats neutered or
 spayed. If they are healthy at the time they come thru the surgery
 just fine regardless of their FelV status.
 
 Lorrie
 
 On 01-02, dppl dppl wrote: I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in
  October who tested positive. He seems to be healthy at this time
  and around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should have him
  neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a
  positive cat, claiming surgery could trigger an immune system
  problem. Has anyone neutered their positive cat after finding
  out it was positive and what was your experience? Thanks for any
  input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet give
  vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed
  positive. She sent the blookwork to an outside lad since she
  said it would be less costly and that same visit when blood was
  drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations.
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat

2012-01-03 Thread MaiMaiPG

I had two females.  One was treated as a regular cat, spayed, came  
home and was kept up and checked on regularly.  She was fine, eating  
and.well fine when I checked her on the second/third night.  She was  
dying in my arms the next morning.  A very few months later I had  
another female, tested for everything, taken to another vet (she was  
not related to the first girl), spayed and given a lot more care.  She  
came home, was kept up and was dying in my arms the third day.  There  
was no evidence of any problems with either girl.  And both vets are  
great but they are one person practices so they weren't around when I  
needed them the most.  Two cats, two vets..it happens and we  
can't always predict it.  Needless to say, I die inside every time I  
have a female spayed and have found a multiple vet practice that is a  
longer way from here and no girl comes home until after the third  
day.  At least she will be near medical care if things go sour  Things  
happen and sometimes there just isn't anything we can do.  We do our  
very best and that is all we can do.


On Jan 3, 2012, at 5:07 PM, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO wrote:

I would recommend to run a blood work to make sure that everything  
looks good before the surgery - especially CBC portion as sometimes  
their WBC/RBC might be a little off -
I don't know if it's conincidence or not - I do believe that stress  
sort of triggered the disease - my completely healthy cat Tsubomi  
died about a month after the surgery - I think she had lymphoma -  
but we did not even think of it as she was completely healthy - I  
was devastated.


Hideyo

 Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 16:02:48 -0500
 From: felineres...@frontier.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat

 I rescue cats and I've have had many FelV positive cats neutered or
 spayed. If they are healthy at the time they come thru the surgery
 just fine regardless of their FelV status.

 Lorrie

 On 01-02, dppl dppl wrote: I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in
  October who tested positive. He seems to be healthy at this time
  and around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should have him
  neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a
  positive cat, claiming surgery could trigger an immune system
  problem. Has anyone neutered their positive cat after finding
  out it was positive and what was your experience? Thanks for any
  input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet give
  vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed
  positive. She sent the blookwork to an outside lad since she
  said it would be less costly and that same visit when blood was
  drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations.


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Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat

2012-01-03 Thread dppl dppl

I can't wait until they perfect non surgical sterilzation of animals.  I 
suppose they will be other issues though as they always is with drugs, etc.  
But maybe not. This site 
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Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat

2012-01-03 Thread Marcia

I have ALWAYS wondered that! How would they know until the cat never wakes up. 
I bet it happens more than anyone knows!

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On Jan 3, 2012, at 3:08 PM, GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote:

 My veterinarian would NEVER vaccinate a cat that is even slightly under the 
 weather…you are right, how would they know if cats have had any reactions
  
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
 Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 3:08 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
  
 I started making it very plain that I did not want the vaccinations at that 
 time..and still had a vet give a rabies shot to a very sick cat.  When I 
 expressed my displeasure, the tech informed me that they had never had any 
 trouble with...  Given that most cats in this county, including the 
 little one in question, live outside, he would never know.
  
  
 On Jan 3, 2012, at 10:48 AM, Marcia wrote:
 
 
 My cat Fletch also spiraled downhill after being neutered. But honestly, they 
 vaccinated him with core vaccines AND  Felv, and I think that is what started 
 him on his downward spiral. I didn't ask for that either. But I agree that it 
 would have been much more stressful for him to stay intact.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:42 AM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net wrote:
 
 Sorry to say, but I had my kitten neutered at 6 mos. of age (at the time we 
 did not know he was positive because he actually tested neg for it when he 
 was much younger). He died at 9 mos of severe anemia  other complications 
 due to being FeLV positive.  I don't know if getting him neutered triggered 
 this but now I'm wondering since you've mentioned this.  Has anyone else 
 heard of this?
 - Original Message -
 From: dppl dppl
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 11:25 AM
 Subject: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
  
 I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in October who tested positive. He 
 seems to be
 healthy at this time and  around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should have 
 him
 neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a positive cat,
 claiming surgery could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone neutered
 their positive cat after finding out it was positive and what was your 
 experience?
 Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet give
 vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed positive. She sent 
 the
 blookwork to an outside lad since she said it would be less costly and that 
 same visit
 when blood was drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations.
  
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat

2012-01-03 Thread Marcia

I'm so sorry you had to go through all of that, and  for your cats too.  How 
horrible.
Marcia
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On Jan 3, 2012, at 5:44 PM, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote:

 I had two females.  One was treated as a regular cat, spayed, came home and 
 was kept up and checked on regularly.  She was fine, eating and.well fine 
 when I checked her on the second/third night.  She was dying in my arms the 
 next morning.  A very few months later I had another female, tested for 
 everything, taken to another vet (she was not related to the first girl), 
 spayed and given a lot more care.  She came home, was kept up and was dying 
 in my arms the third day.  There was no evidence of any problems with either 
 girl.  And both vets are great but they are one person practices so they 
 weren't around when I needed them the most.  Two cats, two vets..it 
 happens and we can't always predict it.  Needless to say, I die inside every 
 time I have a female spayed and have found a multiple vet practice that is a 
 longer way from here and no girl comes home until after the third day.  At 
 least she will be near medical care if things go sour  Things happen and 
 sometimes there just isn't anything we can do.  We do our very best and that 
 is all we can do.
 
 On Jan 3, 2012, at 5:07 PM, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO wrote:
 
 I would recommend to run a blood work to make sure that everything looks 
 good before the surgery - especially CBC portion as sometimes their WBC/RBC 
 might be a little off -
 I don't know if it's conincidence or not - I do believe that stress sort of 
 triggered the disease - my completely healthy cat Tsubomi died about a month 
 after the surgery - I think she had lymphoma - but we did not even think of 
 it as she was completely healthy - I was devastated.
  
 Hideyo
  
  Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 16:02:48 -0500
  From: felineres...@frontier.com
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
  
  I rescue cats and I've have had many FelV positive cats neutered or
  spayed. If they are healthy at the time they come thru the surgery
  just fine regardless of their FelV status.
  
  Lorrie
  
  On 01-02, dppl dppl wrote: I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in
   October who tested positive. He seems to be healthy at this time
   and around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should have him
   neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a
   positive cat, claiming surgery could trigger an immune system
   problem. Has anyone neutered their positive cat after finding
   out it was positive and what was your experience? Thanks for any
   input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet give
   vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed
   positive. She sent the blookwork to an outside lad since she
   said it would be less costly and that same visit when blood was
   drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations.
  
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat

2012-01-03 Thread Beth

I cannot imagine having  uneutered cat in my house. The smell would get 
untolerable as they mature. I've always fixed my FeLV cats. The syress on them 
has to be worse than the surgery. I would not vaccinate for FVRCP. My one cat 
spiraled down hill quickly after the vaccine  I've heard of othrs having the 
same problem.
I would have the CBC done 1st.

Beth

GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote:

Vaccinating FeLV+ kittens is far more dangerous than neutering them.  However, 
since they would be indoor cats anyway, no danger of impregnating any females, 
I don’t see any real reason for neutering them.  If one considers that their 
lives would not be that long, if they already exhibit symptoms, the only thing 
that could happen is that they might start spraying and have very stinky urine.

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 11:48 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat

 

My cat Fletch also spiraled downhill after being neutered. But honestly, they 
vaccinated him with core vaccines AND  Felv, and I think that is what started 
him on his downward spiral. I didn't ask for that either. But I agree that it 
would have been much more stressful for him to stay intact.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:42 AM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net wrote:

Sorry to say, but I had my kitten neutered at 6 mos. of age (at the time we 
did not know he was positive because he actually tested neg for it when he was 
much younger). He died at 9 mos of severe anemia  other complications due to 
being FeLV positive.  I don't know if getting him neutered triggered this but 
now I'm wondering since you've mentioned this.  Has anyone else heard of this?

- Original Message - 

From: dppl dppl mailto:dppl1...@yahoo.com  

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 

Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 11:25 AM

Subject: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat

 

I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in October who tested positive. He seems 
to be

healthy at this time and  around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should have 
him

neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a positive cat,

claiming surgery could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone neutered

their positive cat after finding out it was positive and what was your 
experience?

Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet give

vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed positive. She sent 
the 

blookwork to an outside lad since she said it would be less costly and that 
same visit

when blood was drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations.

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Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat

2012-01-03 Thread Beth

I agree with FeLV cats, but I never had an issue vaccinating my healthy FIV 
cat. I had to vaccinate him for FeLV as he lived with FeLV cats. I only gave 
him The FVRCP vaccine when I did a lot of rescue  was worried about exposure 
since I was dealing with a lot of kittens from bad situations.
Beth

Marta Gasper marta.gas...@yahoo.com wrote:

Neutering won't do a thing to most FeLV+ but vaccinating will to all. It is 
most stressful being intact and no release. A + kitty should have at most the 
rabies vaccine and only that one. A FIV+ can have rabies and one another but 
not FIV/FeLV.
And it always depend on at what point(stage) the cat is. I would just give 
rabies to a symptomatic b/c it is the law and no others, same with FIV.
One would think that vets would be aware of it..even staff should be or they 
shouldn't be working atr a clinic. If pets were people that were killed b/c a 
nurse gave them the wrong vaccine it is involuntary manslaughter, at least 
she'd lose her job if not her license, vet  clinic staff on the other 
hand..argh
Marta
 
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From: Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Tuesday, January 3, 2012, 4:48 PM




My cat Fletch also spiraled downhill after being neutered. But honestly, they 
vaccinated him with core vaccines AND  Felv, and I think that is what started 
him on his downward spiral. I didn't ask for that either. But I agree that it 
would have been much more stressful for him to stay intact.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:42 AM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net wrote:







Sorry to say, but I had my kitten neutered at 6 mos. of age (at the time we 
did not know he was positive because he actually tested neg for it when he was 
much younger). He died at 9 mos of severe anemia  other complications due to 
being FeLV positive.  I don't know if getting him neutered triggered this but 
now I'm wondering since you've mentioned this.  Has anyone else heard of this?

- Original Message - 
From: dppl dppl 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 11:25 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat



I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in October who tested positive. He seems 
to be
healthy at this time and  around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should have 
him
neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a positive cat,
claiming surgery could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone neutered
their positive cat after finding out it was positive and what was your 
experience?
Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet give
vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed positive. She sent 
the 
blookwork to an outside lad since she said it would be less costly and that 
same visit
when blood was drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations.



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Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat

2012-01-03 Thread dlgegg

My vet will not operate if the animal does not have vaccinations up to date and 
if tey are running a fevor, have open wounds, etc.  He treats the wounds, fevor 
first, then when they are healed, does surgery.

 Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: 
 I have ALWAYS wondered that! How would they know until the cat never wakes 
 up. I bet it happens more than anyone knows!
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jan 3, 2012, at 3:08 PM, GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote:
 
  My veterinarian would NEVER vaccinate a cat that is even slightly under the 
  weather…you are right, how would they know if cats have had any 
  reactions
   
  From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
  [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
  Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 3:08 PM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
   
  I started making it very plain that I did not want the vaccinations at that 
  time..and still had a vet give a rabies shot to a very sick cat.  When 
  I expressed my displeasure, the tech informed me that they had never had 
  any trouble with...  Given that most cats in this county, 
  including the little one in question, live outside, he would never know.
   
   
  On Jan 3, 2012, at 10:48 AM, Marcia wrote:
  
  
  My cat Fletch also spiraled downhill after being neutered. But honestly, 
  they vaccinated him with core vaccines AND  Felv, and I think that is what 
  started him on his downward spiral. I didn't ask for that either. But I 
  agree that it would have been much more stressful for him to stay intact.
  
  Sent from my iPhone
  
  On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:42 AM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net 
  wrote:
  
  Sorry to say, but I had my kitten neutered at 6 mos. of age (at the time we 
  did not know he was positive because he actually tested neg for it when he 
  was much younger). He died at 9 mos of severe anemia  other complications 
  due to being FeLV positive.  I don't know if getting him neutered triggered 
  this but now I'm wondering since you've mentioned this.  Has anyone else 
  heard of this?
  - Original Message -
  From: dppl dppl
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 11:25 AM
  Subject: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
   
  I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in October who tested positive. He 
  seems to be
  healthy at this time and  around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should 
  have him
  neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a positive 
  cat,
  claiming surgery could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone neutered
  their positive cat after finding out it was positive and what was your 
  experience?
  Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet 
  give
  vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed positive. She 
  sent the
  blookwork to an outside lad since she said it would be less costly and that 
  same visit
  when blood was drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations.
   
   
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Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat

2012-01-03 Thread Beth

If the neutering was going to affect him it would have been right away. My own 
cat acted fine one day (playing in the yard under supervision)  at the 
emergency vet the next day with severe anemia. Cats are good at hiding illness. 
I know the anemia did not come on overnight. She was just hiding it until she 
couldn't hide it anymore. 
Don't beat yourself up over neutering your baby. That wasn't the problem. It 
was just this horrible virus.

Beth

Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net wrote:

I agree, but admit, it had me thinking twice. It's heartbreaking that he was 
fine one day and on death's door the next :(   I miss him so!

Bless all the sick furry babies...

L
- Original Message - 
From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 3:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat


I really doubt it was neutering that caused his death. Anemia is
 one of the complications of FelV.


 On 01-02, Lynda Wilson wrote:
Sorry  to  say,  but I had my kitten neutered at 6 mos. of age (at the
time  we  did  not know he was positive because he actually tested neg
for  it when he was much younger). He died at 9 mos of severe anemia 
other  complications  due  to  being  FeLV  positive.  I don't know if
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[Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat

2012-01-02 Thread dppl dppl

I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in October who tested positive. He seems 
to be
healthy at this time and  around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should have him
neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a positive cat,
claiming surgery could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone neutered
their positive cat after finding out it was positive and what was your 
experience?
Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet give
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Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat

2012-01-02 Thread lernermichelle


 I have. Have not seen any problem from it, but I do think it could trigger an 
upper respiratory infection or other problems like any stressful event. The 
thing is, remaining unneutered is a big source of stress, much bigger in my 
opinion than the surgery. Keeping an intact male from roaming or mating will 
result much restlessness and anxiety on his part. Unneutered cats generally 
have trouble keeping weight on and are less healthy, because so much energy 
goes into the reproductive system and behavior. Neutered cats are much calmer 
and healthier. For this reason, I would get him neutered. I have never seen a 
vet refuse to neuter a positive cat. Even the low-cost clinic we use does it. 

Michelle

 

 

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To: felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Mon, Jan 2, 2012 12:26 pm
Subject: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat



I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in October who tested positive. He seems 
to be
healthy at this time and  around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should have him
neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a positive cat,
claiming surgery could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone neutered
their positive cat after finding out it was positive and what was your 
experience?
Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet give
vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed positive. She sent 
the 
blookwork to an outside lad since she said it would be less costly and that 
same visit
when blood was drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations.

 
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Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat

2012-01-02 Thread Lynda Wilson

Sorry to say, but I had my kitten neutered at 6 mos. of age (at the time we did 
not know he was positive because he actually tested neg for it when he was much 
younger). He died at 9 mos of severe anemia  other complications due to being 
FeLV positive.  I don't know if getting him neutered triggered this but now I'm 
wondering since you've mentioned this.  Has anyone else heard of this?
  - Original Message - 
  From: dppl dppl 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 11:25 AM
  Subject: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat

  I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in October who tested positive. He 
seems to be
  healthy at this time and  around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should have 
him
  neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a positive cat,
  claiming surgery could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone neutered
  their positive cat after finding out it was positive and what was your 
experience?
  Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet give
  vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed positive. She sent 
the 
  blookwork to an outside lad since she said it would be less costly and that 
same visit
  when blood was drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations.

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Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat

2012-01-02 Thread Cindy McHugh

One of our rescues tested positive at the time he was neutered. The vet went 
ahead and did the surgery. That was about a year ago. He was adopted in 
September and was fine at that time - and still is as of the last update I 
received.

I'm not saying that neutering couldn't trigger a problem, but in our case, it 
didn't seem to.

Good luck.
Cindy
  - Original Message - 
  From: Lynda Wilson 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 12:42 PM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat


  Sorry to say, but I had my kitten neutered at 6 mos. of age (at the time we 
did not know he was positive because he actually tested neg for it when he was 
much younger). He died at 9 mos of severe anemia  other complications due to 
being FeLV positive.  I don't know if getting him neutered triggered this but 
now I'm wondering since you've mentioned this.  Has anyone else heard of this?
- Original Message - 
From: dppl dppl 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 11:25 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat


I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in October who tested positive. He 
seems to be
healthy at this time and  around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should 
have him
neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a positive 
cat,
claiming surgery could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone neutered
their positive cat after finding out it was positive and what was your 
experience?
Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet 
give
vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed positive. She 
sent the 
blookwork to an outside lad since she said it would be less costly and that 
same visit
when blood was drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations.





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Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat

2012-01-02 Thread Christiane Biagi

Agreed---not neutering a male cat ultimately is a whole lot more stressful
for the cat.  The procedure for male cats is a whole lot less intrusive than
for female  I would think that while there is always risk in any surgery, a
simple neuter would ultimately be better than not neutering.

 

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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat

 

I have. Have not seen any problem from it, but I do think it could trigger
an upper respiratory infection or other problems like any stressful event.
The thing is, remaining unneutered is a big source of stress, much bigger in
my opinion than the surgery. Keeping an intact male from roaming or mating
will result much restlessness and anxiety on his part. Unneutered cats
generally have trouble keeping weight on and are less healthy, because so
much energy goes into the reproductive system and behavior. Neutered cats
are much calmer and healthier. For this reason, I would get him neutered. I
have never seen a vet refuse to neuter a positive cat. Even the low-cost
clinic we use does it. 

Michelle

 

 

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Sent: Mon, Jan 2, 2012 12:26 pm
Subject: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat

I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in October who tested positive. He
seems to be

healthy at this time and  around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should have
him

neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a positive
cat,

claiming surgery could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone neutered

their positive cat after finding out it was positive and what was your
experience?

Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet
give

vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed positive. She
sent the 

blookwork to an outside lad since she said it would be less costly and that
same visit

when blood was drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations.

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Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat

2012-01-02 Thread MaiMaiPG

Females can be spayed via laser which is a lot less traumatic.  I  
don't know about males.  Personally I would want a private vet who  
experienced in FeL+ cats.MHO

On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:38 AM, lernermiche...@aol.com wrote:

I have. Have not seen any problem from it, but I do think it could  
trigger an upper respiratory infection or other problems like any  
stressful event. The thing is, remaining unneutered is a big source  
of stress, much bigger in my opinion than the surgery. Keeping an  
intact male from roaming or mating will result much restlessness and  
anxiety on his part. Unneutered cats generally have trouble keeping  
weight on and are less healthy, because so much energy goes into the  
reproductive system and behavior. Neutered cats are much calmer and  
healthier. For this reason, I would get him neutered. I have never  
seen a vet refuse to neuter a positive cat. Even the low-cost clinic  
we use does it.


Michelle


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Sent: Mon, Jan 2, 2012 12:26 pm
Subject: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat

I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in October who tested  
positive. He seems to be
healthy at this time and  around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I  
should have him
neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a  
positive cat,
claiming surgery could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone  
neutered
their positive cat after finding out it was positive and what was  
your experience?
Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why  
the vet give
vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed positive.  
She sent the
blookwork to an outside lad since she said it would be less costly  
and that same visit

when blood was drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations.
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Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat

2012-01-02 Thread GRAS

My vet uses very small amount of anesthesia for males, it only takes 10-15
minutes, and they're up and about almost immediately.  However, we always
give cats to be altered some vitamin shots prior to surgery - Vitamin C,
B12.  As long as they are asymptomatic, well-fed and rested, no stress -
altering males and females is not a problem. Yes, I have had both FeLV and
FIV positive cats altered over the years and never had a problem.

 

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 1:14 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat

 

Females can be spayed via laser which is a lot less traumatic.  I don't know
about males.  Personally I would want a private vet who experienced in FeL+
cats.MHO

On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:38 AM, lernermiche...@aol.com wrote:





I have. Have not seen any problem from it, but I do think it could trigger
an upper respiratory infection or other problems like any stressful event.
The thing is, remaining unneutered is a big source of stress, much bigger in
my opinion than the surgery. Keeping an intact male from roaming or mating
will result much restlessness and anxiety on his part. Unneutered cats
generally have trouble keeping weight on and are less healthy, because so
much energy goes into the reproductive system and behavior. Neutered cats
are much calmer and healthier. For this reason, I would get him neutered. I
have never seen a vet refuse to neuter a positive cat. Even the low-cost
clinic we use does it. 

Michelle

 

 

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Sent: Mon, Jan 2, 2012 12:26 pm
Subject: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat

I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in October who tested positive. He
seems to be

healthy at this time and  around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should have
him

neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a positive
cat,

claiming surgery could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone neutered

their positive cat after finding out it was positive and what was your
experience?

Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet
give

vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed positive. She
sent the 

blookwork to an outside lad since she said it would be less costly and that
same visit

when blood was drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations.

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Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat

2012-01-02 Thread dppl dppl

Thanks for your replies. Lynda, sorry to hear about your cat.  That's what I 
fear.
 But I do agree as he gets older and is not neutered, he will become very 
frustrated.
 It is bad enough he can't be with other cats.  When I first called, I was told 
they 
won't do the surgery b/c of fear of spreading disease in their facility. That 
sounded
wrong since arent' they supposed to use sterile procedures and keep animals in 
surgery
separate? So I called again and a different person told me the reason was 
liability. That 
doesn't sound right either since they make you sign a form accepting risk. This 
is a facility
that euthanizes feral positive cats upon testing when brought for sterilzation 
unless theperson
bringing the cat in takes it back unsterilzed. I do have a private vet but she 
has seen only one 
cat test positive  in her practice t so I'm not sure if she would know about 
risks. 
   


 From: dppl dppl dppl1...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, January 2, 2012 12:25 PM
Subject: neutering a positive cat
 

I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in October who tested positive. He seems 
to be
healthy at this time and  around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should have him
neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a positive cat,
claiming surgery could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone neutered
their positive cat after finding out it was positive and what was your 
experience?
Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet give
vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed positive. She sent 
the 
blookwork to an outside lad since she said it would be less costly and that 
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Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat

2012-01-02 Thread john pollack

Tigger was FeLV+ from birth. he WAS tested positive before neutering. the only 
thing the vet did different was send him home quicker. he lived to be 1 mo 
short of 5 when he passed nov, 2011. neutering did him no harm...if anything 
made him even more of a lovebug

 From: dppl dppl dppl1...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, January 2, 2012 3:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat

Thanks for your replies. Lynda, sorry to hear about your cat.  That's what I 
fear.
 But I do agree as he gets older and is not neutered, he will become very 
frustrated.
 It is bad enough he can't be with other cats.  When I first called, I was told 
they 
won't do the surgery b/c of fear of spreading disease in their facility. That 
sounded
wrong since arent' they supposed to use sterile procedures and keep animals in 
surgery
separate? So I called again and a different person told me the reason was 
liability. That 
doesn't sound right either since they make you sign a form accepting risk. This 
is a facility
that euthanizes feral positive cats upon testing when brought for sterilzation 
unless theperson
bringing the cat in takes it back unsterilzed. I do have a private vet but she 
has seen only one 
cat test positive  in her practice t so I'm not sure if she would know about 
risks. 

From: dppl dppl dppl1...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, January 2, 2012 12:25 PM
Subject: neutering a positive cat

I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in October who tested positive. He seems 
to be
healthy at this time and  around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should have him
neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a positive cat,
claiming surgery could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone neutered
their positive cat after finding out it was positive and what was your 
experience?
Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet give
vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed positive. She sent 
the 
blookwork to an outside lad since she said it would be less costly and that 
same visit
when blood was drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations.

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Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat

2012-01-02 Thread Lorrie

I really doubt it was neutering that caused his death. Anemia is
one of the complications of FelV.  


On 01-02, Lynda Wilson wrote:
Sorry  to  say,  but I had my kitten neutered at 6 mos. of age (at the
time  we  did  not know he was positive because he actually tested neg
for  it when he was much younger). He died at 9 mos of severe anemia 
other  complications  due  to  being  FeLV  positive.  I don't know if
getting him neutered triggered this but now I'm wondering since you've
mentioned this.  Has anyone else heard of this?
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat

2012-01-02 Thread Lorrie

I rescue cats and I've have had many FelV positive cats neutered or
spayed.  If they are healthy at the time they come thru the surgery
just fine regardless of their FelV status.

Lorrie
 
On 01-02, dppl dppl wrote: I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in
October who tested positive. He seems to be healthy at this time
and around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should have him
neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a
positive cat, claiming surgery could trigger an immune system
problem. Has anyone neutered their positive cat after finding
out it was positive and what was your experience? Thanks for any
input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet give
vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed
positive. She sent the blookwork to an outside lad since she
said it would be less costly and that same visit when blood was
drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations.


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Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat

2012-01-02 Thread Lynda Wilson

I agree, but admit, it had me thinking twice. It's heartbreaking that he was 
fine one day and on death's door the next :(   I miss him so!


Bless all the sick furry babies...

L
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Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 3:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat



I really doubt it was neutering that caused his death. Anemia is
one of the complications of FelV.


On 01-02, Lynda Wilson wrote:

   Sorry  to  say,  but I had my kitten neutered at 6 mos. of age (at the
   time  we  did  not know he was positive because he actually tested neg
   for  it when he was much younger). He died at 9 mos of severe anemia 
   other  complications  due  to  being  FeLV  positive.  I don't know if
   getting him neutered triggered this but now I'm wondering since you've
   mentioned this.  Has anyone else heard of this?



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Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males

2010-12-28 Thread Gloria B. Lane

I have to say, while our monthly clinic vet does pediatric spay/ 
neuter, I wouldn't trust every one to do it, and I understand the term  
chop shops. Compared with other local clinics, I think we do batter  
aftercare for cats in recovery than any of the others and that's so  
important.  Can't just put them in a cage or carrier after surgery,  
and leave them.  Fortunately we have a good system, and we all trust  
our vet, who is good with pediatric s/n, and he's also fast - amazing  
to watch him versus some of the other vets.  Knowing the vet and  
trusting are so important.  Otherwise I'd wait a while too.


Gloria



On Dec 27, 2010, at 7:58 PM, Kelley Saveika wrote:

I figure that amazingly enough he's been to vet school and I  
haven't.  The
local low cost spay and neuter places (I call them chop n shops)  
will do
them at 3 months, but their primary concern is that all animals be  
spayed

and neutered no matter what, and they killed one of our kittens with a
botched spay - never again.  Our current vet does them at 6 months  
because

his concern is the health of each individual animal - and I like that.

We have never had anyone get pregnant.

If they are not altered we adopt out on foster to adopt, which means  
we
still own the animal and they are fostering.  It works if you can  
keep up

with it.  We never transfer ownership on an unaltered animal.

On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 5:10 PM, Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com  
wrote:



Kelley, Our vet says exactly the same thing, so we s/n at 6 months.


On 12-27, Kelley Saveika wrote:
We do ours at 6 months; our vet will not do them before that, and  
from

what

I've read about the bad possible side effects of early s/n in dogs I

can't

blame him.



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Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males

2010-12-28 Thread Susan Hoffman

I volunteer at our local feral spay/neuter clinic (they also s/n cats and 
kittens being fostered for adoption) and I've watched the procedures so many 
times.  My station is right next to where the neuters are done.  The aftercare 
is amazing.  We have so many volunteers just checking respiration all the way 
through the clinic.  The cats at this particular clinic receive more 
post-surgical monitoring and attention than most private vets can provide.  

--- On Mon, 12/27/10, Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net wrote:

 From: Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Monday, December 27, 2010, 9:53 PM
 I have to say, while our monthly
 clinic vet does pediatric spay/neuter, I wouldn't trust
 every one to do it, and I understand the term chop shops.
 Compared with other local clinics, I think we do batter
 aftercare for cats in recovery than any of the others and
 that's so important.  Can't just put them in a cage or
 carrier after surgery, and leave them.  Fortunately we
 have a good system, and we all trust our vet, who is good
 with pediatric s/n, and he's also fast - amazing to watch
 him versus some of the other vets.  Knowing the vet and
 trusting are so important.  Otherwise I'd wait a while
 too.
 
 Gloria
 
 
 
 On Dec 27, 2010, at 7:58 PM, Kelley Saveika wrote:
 
  I figure that amazingly enough he's been to vet school
 and I haven't.  The
  local low cost spay and neuter places (I call them
 chop n shops) will do
  them at 3 months, but their primary concern is that
 all animals be spayed
  and neutered no matter what, and they killed one of
 our kittens with a
  botched spay - never again.  Our current vet does
 them at 6 months because
  his concern is the health of each individual animal -
 and I like that.
  
  We have never had anyone get pregnant.
  
  If they are not altered we adopt out on foster to
 adopt, which means we
  still own the animal and they are fostering.  It
 works if you can keep up
  with it.  We never transfer ownership on an
 unaltered animal.
  
  On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 5:10 PM, Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com
 wrote:
  
  Kelley, Our vet says exactly the same thing, so we
 s/n at 6 months.
  
  
  On 12-27, Kelley Saveika wrote:
  We do ours at 6 months; our vet will not do
 them before that, and from
  what
  I've read about the bad possible side effects
 of early s/n in dogs I
  can't
  blame him.
  
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males

2010-12-28 Thread terrie

This is the same way it is done at the clinic I use for all my spays/neuters.
I volunteerwhen I can as I dowork closely with them.
All are treated equally if any problems arise it is taken care of ASAP by the staff. Everyone is monitored the whole time there. Thereis plenty on staff to make sure the kitties are doing okay at all times. Like what Susan stated they are continuously checking their respiration making sure they are cared for.
I agree they do more for them then the private Vets.
I know as I was a Vet Tech for many years and my adult daughter is one as wellshe states the same thing the clinic does wonderful things cats are given more care then those in private practice.
The kitties are also given some wet food when put back in their carriers, crates, or traps.
I commend them all for their jobs well done.

I have been to the "Chop Shops" this is not one.

I'm very pleased in what they do.
They have a mission that is to save any unwanted kittens born in this world.
By doing so they alter all cats and kittens for free or low cost.
If your a rescue this pertains to you as well.
If you do not have the funds they will do it for free. Providing you can show proof your getting some type of revenue from the state/federal.
In my case I pay for all my spays/neuters at a low cost.
All Feral kitties are done free in which I have done as well.
Kitties are given FVRCP vaccines along with the Rabies during this time.
Their fees are very reasonable. Have specials during different times of the year.
Many rescues from all over WA. take their kitties to them for spays/neuters.
They are open 7 days a week.
Even after the kitty leaves if any problems arise they request you contact them immediately so the proper care can be given.

Of course I have regular and specialized Vets that I'm grateful to have for other illnesses and diseases for the rescues and my own personal cats. They too have made comments stating that the clinic does wonderful things for the cats and kittens.
Would like to add they have received many awards locally and nationally for what they do.

I have included their web site for you all to view.
http://www.feralcatproject.org/default.aspx

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Original Message Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering malesFrom: Susan Hoffman susan_hoff...@yahoo.comDate: Tue, December 28, 2010 10:22 amTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgI volunteer at our local feral spay/neuter clinic (they also s/n cats and kittens being fostered for adoption) and I've watched the procedures so many times. My station is right next to where the neuters are done. The aftercare is amazing. We have so many volunteers just checking respiration all the way through the clinic. The cats at this particular clinic receive more post-surgical monitoring and attention than most private vets can provide. --- On Mon, 12/27/10, Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net wrote: From: Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, December 27, 2010, 9:53 PM I have to say, while our monthly clinic vet does pediatric spay/neuter, I wouldn't trust every one to do it, and I understand the term "chop shops". Compared with other local clinics, I think we do batter "aftercare" for cats in recovery than any of the others and that's so important. Can't just put them in a cage or carrier after surgery, and leave them. Fortunately we have a good system, and we all trust our vet, who is good with pediatric s/n, and he's also fast - amazing to watch him versus some of the other vets. Knowing the vet and trusting are so important. Otherwise I'd wait a while too. GloriaOn Dec 27, 2010, at 7:58 PM, Kelley Saveika wrote: I figure that amazingly enough he's been to vet school and I haven't. The local low cost spay and neuter places (I call them chop n shops) will do them at 3 months, but their primary concern is that all animals be spayed and neutered no matter what, and they killed one of our kittens with a botched spay - never again. Our current vet does them at 6 months because his concern is the health of each individual animal - and I like that.We have never had anyone get pregnant.If they are not altered we adopt out on foster to adopt, which means we still own the animal and they are fostering. It works if you can keep up with it. We never transfer ownership on an unaltered animal.On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 5:10 PM, Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com wrote:Kelley, Our vet says exactly the same thing, so we s/n at 6 months. On 12-27, Kelley Saveika wrote: We do ours at 6 months; our vet will not do them before that, and from what I've read about the bad possible side effects of early s

[Felvtalk] Neutering males

Hi,

Just a quick question. At what age do you guys have your male kittens
neutered. I have a 10 to 12 week old kitten (not sure exactly, found him at
a gas station).
We have to have him tested for Felv/Fiv and I was thinking to have him
neutered at the same time because it would save us a lot of money.
He is a strong and healthy guy and both his testicals are showing already.

Thanks for any replies,

Peggy
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Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males

2010-12-27 Thread Katy Doyle

Many of the vets I use with rescues want the kitten to weigh 2 pounds, age
doesn't matter.

--Katy

On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Peggy Verdonck 
jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 Just a quick question. At what age do you guys have your male kittens
 neutered. I have a 10 to 12 week old kitten (not sure exactly, found him at
 a gas station).
 We have to have him tested for Felv/Fiv and I was thinking to have him
 neutered at the same time because it would save us a lot of money.
 He is a strong and healthy guy and both his testicals are showing already.

 Thanks for any replies,

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Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males

2010-12-27 Thread Gloria Lane

We neuter young I think it's 3 pounds. Not all vets do that though. 

Gloria

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On Dec 27, 2010, at 10:29 AM, Peggy Verdonck jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com 
wrote:

 Hi,
 
 Just a quick question. At what age do you guys have your male kittens
 neutered. I have a 10 to 12 week old kitten (not sure exactly, found him at
 a gas station).
 We have to have him tested for Felv/Fiv and I was thinking to have him
 neutered at the same time because it would save us a lot of money.
 He is a strong and healthy guy and both his testicals are showing already.
 
 Thanks for any replies,
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males

I have all my kittens spayed/neutered when they are 2-3 pounds feral or not. 
Normally they are about 10-12 weeks old at this time.
In male kittens if the testicles are showing this is great they can be done!
So this would be a good time to do it.

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 Original Message Subject: [Felvtalk] Neutering malesFrom: Peggy Verdonck jetalitosunnys...@gmail.comDate: Mon, December 27, 2010 8:29 amTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgHi,Just a quick question. At what age do you guys have your male kittensneutered. I have a 10 to 12 week old kitten (not sure exactly, found him ata gas station).We have to have him tested for Felv/Fiv and I was thinking to have himneutered at the same time because it would save us a lot of money.He is a strong and healthy guy and both his testicals are showing already.Thanks for any replies,Peggy___Felvtalk mailing listFelvtalk@felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org

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Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males

2010-12-27 Thread Edna Taylor

My vet prefers for them to weigh 3-4 pounds before surgery (usually 16 weeks)

 Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 11:33:58 -0500
 From: athenapities...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males

 Many of the vets I use with rescues want the kitten to weigh 2 pounds, age
 doesn't matter.

 --Katy

 On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Peggy Verdonck 
 jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com wrote:

  Hi,

  Just a quick question. At what age do you guys have your male kittens
  neutered. I have a 10 to 12 week old kitten (not sure exactly, found him at
  a gas station).
  We have to have him tested for Felv/Fiv and I was thinking to have him
  neutered at the same time because it would save us a lot of money.
  He is a strong and healthy guy and both his testicals are showing already.

  Thanks for any replies,

  Peggy
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Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males

Would like to add my Vets do the spaying/neutering at the lightest weight of 2 pounds. When I do take my kittens in they range from 2-3 pounds.
They are given some of the vaccines and tattooed while under.
All are tested for the viral diseases.

Original Message Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering malesFrom: ter...@tazzys.orgDate: Mon, December 27, 2010 8:40 amTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
I have all my kittens spayed/neutered when they are 2-3 pounds feral or not.
Normally they are about 10-12 weeks old at this time.
In male kittens if the testicles are showing this is great they can be done!
So this would be a good time to do it.

Original Message Subject: [Felvtalk] Neutering malesFrom: Peggy Verdonck jetalitosunnys...@gmail.comDate: Mon, December 27, 2010 8:29 amTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgHi,Just a quick question. At what age do you guys have your male kittensneutered. I have a 10 to 12 week old kitten (not sure exactly, found him ata gas station).We have to have him tested for Felv/Fiv and I was thinking to have himneutered at the same time because it would save us a lot of money.He is a strong and healthy guy and both his testicals are showing already.Thanks for any replies,Peggy___Felvtalk mailing listFelvtalk@felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org

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Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males

I have to weigh him, but I'm sure he is at least over 2 pounds. I will also
call the vet and ask how much he has to weigh. Can you have a young kitten
like that vaccinated against Felv?

2010/12/27 ter...@tazzys.org

  Would like to add my Vets do the spaying/neutering at the lightest weight
 of 2 pounds. When I do take my kittens in they range from 2-3 pounds.
 They are given some of the vaccines and tattooed while under.
 All are tested for the viral diseases.

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 Terrie Mohr-Forker
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   Original Message 
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
 From: ter...@tazzys.org
 Date: Mon, December 27, 2010 8:40 am
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org


 I have all my kittens spayed/neutered when they are 2-3 pounds feral or
 not.
 Normally they are about 10-12 weeks old at this time.
 In male kittens if the testicles are showing this is great they can be
 done!
 So this would be a good time to do it.

 TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE  COLLIE RESCUE
 Sultan, WA. 98294
 Terrie Mohr-Forker
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 Dedicated to the welfare of animals.

 Copyright © 1999-2010 tazzys.org. All rights reserved.



   Original Message 
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
 From: Peggy Verdonck jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com
 Date: Mon, December 27, 2010 8:29 am
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

 Hi,

 Just a quick question. At what age do you guys have your male kittens
 neutered. I have a 10 to 12 week old kitten (not sure exactly, found him at
 a gas station).
 We have to have him tested for Felv/Fiv and I was thinking to have him
 neutered at the same time because it would save us a lot of money.
 He is a strong and healthy guy and both his testicals are showing already.

 Thanks for any replies,

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Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males

I guess he is good.he weighs over 4 pounds!!

2010/12/27 Peggy Verdonck jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com

 I have to weigh him, but I'm sure he is at least over 2 pounds. I will also
 call the vet and ask how much he has to weigh. Can you have a young kitten
 like that vaccinated against Felv?

 2010/12/27 ter...@tazzys.org

  Would like to add my Vets do the spaying/neutering at the lightest weight
 of 2 pounds. When I do take my kittens in they range from 2-3 pounds.
 They are given some of the vaccines and tattooed while under.
 All are tested for the viral diseases.

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 Dedicated to the welfare of animals.

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   Original Message 
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
 From: ter...@tazzys.org
 Date: Mon, December 27, 2010 8:40 am
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org


 I have all my kittens spayed/neutered when they are 2-3 pounds feral or
 not.
 Normally they are about 10-12 weeks old at this time.
 In male kittens if the testicles are showing this is great they can be
 done!
 So this would be a good time to do it.

 TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE  COLLIE RESCUE
 Sultan, WA. 98294
 Terrie Mohr-Forker
 http://tazzys.org/
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 Dedicated to the welfare of animals.

 Copyright © 1999-2010 tazzys.org. All rights reserved.



   Original Message 
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
 From: Peggy Verdonck jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com
 Date: Mon, December 27, 2010 8:29 am
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

 Hi,

 Just a quick question. At what age do you guys have your male kittens
 neutered. I have a 10 to 12 week old kitten (not sure exactly, found him
 at
 a gas station).
 We have to have him tested for Felv/Fiv and I was thinking to have him
 neutered at the same time because it would save us a lot of money.
 He is a strong and healthy guy and both his testicals are showing already.

 Thanks for any replies,

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Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males

Yes, they can be given the FELV vaccines.

Original Message Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering malesFrom: Peggy Verdonck jetalitosunnys...@gmail.comDate: Mon, December 27, 2010 8:54 amTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgI have to weigh him, but I'm sure he is at least over 2 pounds. I will alsocall the vet and ask how much he has to weigh. Can you have a young kittenlike that vaccinated against Felv?2010/12/27 ter...@tazzys.org Would like to add my Vets do the spaying/neutering at the lightest weight of 2 pounds. When I do take my kittens in they range from 2-3 pounds. They are given some of the vaccines and tattooed while under. All are tested for the viral diseases. TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Sultan, WA. 98294 Terrie Mohr-Forker http://tazzys.org/ Non-Profit national rescue Dedicated to the welfare of animals. Copyright © 1999-2010 tazzys.org. All rights reserved. Original Message Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males From: ter...@tazzys.org Date: Mon, December 27, 2010 8:40 am To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org I have all my kittens spayed/neutered when they are 2-3 pounds feral or not. Normally they are about 10-12 weeks old at this time. In male kittens if the testicles are showing this is great they can be done! So this would be a good time to do it. TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Sultan, WA. 98294 Terrie Mohr-Forker http://tazzys.org/ Non-Profit national rescue Dedicated to the welfare of animals. Copyright © 1999-2010 tazzys.org. All rights reserved. Original Message Subject: [Felvtalk] Neutering males From: Peggy Verdonck jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com Date: Mon, December 27, 2010 8:29 am To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Hi, Just a quick question. At what age do you guys have your male kittens neutered. I have a 10 to 12 week old kitten (not sure exactly, found him at a gas station). We have to have him tested for Felv/Fiv and I was thinking to have him neutered at the same time because it would save us a lot of money. He is a strong and healthy guy and both his testicals are showing already. Thanks for any replies, Peggy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___Felvtalk mailing listFelvtalk@felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org

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Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males

LOL...guess he is good to go for his neutering!
Big boy!

Original Message Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering malesFrom: Peggy Verdonck jetalitosunnys...@gmail.comDate: Mon, December 27, 2010 8:57 amTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgI guess he is good.he weighs over 4 pounds!!2010/12/27 Peggy Verdonck jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com I have to weigh him, but I'm sure he is at least over 2 pounds. I will also call the vet and ask how much he has to weigh. Can you have a young kitten like that vaccinated against Felv? 2010/12/27 ter...@tazzys.org Would like to add my Vets do the spaying/neutering at the lightest weight of 2 pounds. When I do take my kittens in they range from 2-3 pounds. They are given some of the vaccines and tattooed while under. All are tested for the viral diseases. TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Sultan, WA. 98294 Terrie Mohr-Forker http://tazzys.org/ Non-Profit national rescue Dedicated to the welfare of animals. Copyright © 1999-2010 tazzys.org. All rights reserved. Original Message Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males From: ter...@tazzys.org Date: Mon, December 27, 2010 8:40 am To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org I have all my kittens spayed/neutered when they are 2-3 pounds feral or not. Normally they are about 10-12 weeks old at this time. In male kittens if the testicles are showing this is great they can be done! So this would be a good time to do it. TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Sultan, WA. 98294 Terrie Mohr-Forker http://tazzys.org/ Non-Profit national rescue Dedicated to the welfare of animals. Copyright © 1999-2010 tazzys.org. All rights reserved. Original Message Subject: [Felvtalk] Neutering males From: Peggy Verdonck jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com Date: Mon, December 27, 2010 8:29 am To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Hi, Just a quick question. At what age do you guys have your male kittens neutered. I have a 10 to 12 week old kitten (not sure exactly, found him at a gas station). We have to have him tested for Felv/Fiv and I was thinking to have him neutered at the same time because it would save us a lot of money. He is a strong and healthy guy and both his testicals are showing already. Thanks for any replies, Peggy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___Felvtalk mailing listFelvtalk@felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org

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Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males

Yes, he is a big boy! We found him at a gas station about 3 weeks ago. He
was a little skinny but not bad. The people from the gas station put food
out for him.
We had to trap him because he was completely wild and feral. And
now...the sweetest kittens you can imagine!!
He is still separated from the other cats because I don't want to take the
risk. We had a good scare earlier this year. Our other cats still have to go
for their second round of testing.
Fingers crossed!

2010/12/27 ter...@tazzys.org

  LOL...guess he is good to go for his neutering!
 Big boy!

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   Original Message 
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
 From: Peggy Verdonck jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com
 Date: Mon, December 27, 2010 8:57 am
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

 I guess he is good.he weighs over 4 pounds!!

  2010/12/27 Peggy Verdonck jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com

  I have to weigh him, but I'm sure he is at least over 2 pounds. I will
 also
  call the vet and ask how much he has to weigh. Can you have a young
 kitten
  like that vaccinated against Felv?
 
  2010/12/27 ter...@tazzys.org
 
  Would like to add my Vets do the spaying/neutering at the lightest weight
  of 2 pounds. When I do take my kittens in they range from 2-3 pounds.
  They are given some of the vaccines and tattooed while under.
  All are tested for the viral diseases.
 
  TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE  COLLIE RESCUE
  Sultan, WA. 98294
  Terrie Mohr-Forker
  http://tazzys.org/
  Non-Profit national rescue
  Dedicated to the welfare of animals.
 
  Copyright © 1999-2010 tazzys.org. All rights reserved.
 
 
 
   Original Message 
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
  From: ter...@tazzys.org
  Date: Mon, December 27, 2010 8:40 am
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 
 
  I have all my kittens spayed/neutered when they are 2-3 pounds feral or
  not.
  Normally they are about 10-12 weeks old at this time.
  In male kittens if the testicles are showing this is great they can be
  done!
  So this would be a good time to do it.
 
  TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE  COLLIE RESCUE
  Sultan, WA. 98294
  Terrie Mohr-Forker
  http://tazzys.org/
  Non-Profit national rescue
  Dedicated to the welfare of animals.
 
  Copyright © 1999-2010 tazzys.org. All rights reserved.
 
 
 
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  Subject: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
  From: Peggy Verdonck jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com
  Date: Mon, December 27, 2010 8:29 am
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 
  Hi,
 
  Just a quick question. At what age do you guys have your male kittens
  neutered. I have a 10 to 12 week old kitten (not sure exactly, found him
  at
  a gas station).
  We have to have him tested for Felv/Fiv and I was thinking to have him
  neutered at the same time because it would save us a lot of money.
  He is a strong and healthy guy and both his testicals are showing
 already.
 
  Thanks for any replies,
 
  Peggy
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Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males

All fingers and paws crossed here for the boy!
Good luck!

Original Message Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering malesFrom: Peggy Verdonck jetalitosunnys...@gmail.comDate: Mon, December 27, 2010 9:22 amTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgYes, he is a big boy! We found him at a gas station about 3 weeks ago. Hewas a little skinny but not bad. The people from the gas station put foodout for him.We had to trap him because he was completely wild and feral. Andnow...the sweetest kittens you can imagine!!He is still separated from the other cats because I don't want to take therisk. We had a good scare earlier this year. Our other cats still have to gofor their second round of testing.Fingers crossed!2010/12/27 ter...@tazzys.org LOL...guess he is good to go for his neutering! Big boy! TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Sultan, WA. 98294 Terrie Mohr-Forker http://tazzys.org/ Non-Profit national rescue Dedicated to the welfare of animals. Copyright © 1999-2010 tazzys.org. All rights reserved. Original Message Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males From: Peggy Verdonck jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com Date: Mon, December 27, 2010 8:57 am To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org I guess he is good.he weighs over 4 pounds!! 2010/12/27 Peggy Verdonck jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com I have to weigh him, but I'm sure he is at least over 2 pounds. I will also call the vet and ask how much he has to weigh. Can you have a young kitten like that vaccinated against Felv? 2010/12/27 ter...@tazzys.org Would like to add my Vets do the spaying/neutering at the lightest weight of 2 pounds. When I do take my kittens in they range from 2-3 pounds. They are given some of the vaccines and tattooed while under. All are tested for the viral diseases. TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Sultan, WA. 98294 Terrie Mohr-Forker http://tazzys.org/ Non-Profit national rescue Dedicated to the welfare of animals. Copyright © 1999-2010 tazzys.org. All rights reserved. Original Message Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males From: ter...@tazzys.org Date: Mon, December 27, 2010 8:40 am To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgI have all my kittens spayed/neutered when they are 2-3 pounds feral or not. Normally they are about 10-12 weeks old at this time. In male kittens if the testicles are showing this is great they can be done! So this would be a good time to do it. TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Sultan, WA. 98294 Terrie Mohr-Forker http://tazzys.org/ Non-Profit national rescue Dedicated to the welfare of animals. Copyright © 1999-2010 tazzys.org. All rights reserved. Original Message Subject: [Felvtalk] Neutering males From: Peggy Verdonck jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com Date: Mon, December 27, 2010 8:29 am To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Hi, Just a quick question. At what age do you guys have your male kittens neutered. I have a 10 to 12 week old kitten (not sure exactly, found him at a gas station). We have to have him tested for Felv/Fiv and I was thinking to have him neutered at the same time because it would save us a lot of money. He is a strong and healthy guy and both his testicals are showing already. Thanks for any replies, Peggy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org-- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___Felvtalk mailing listFelvtalk@felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org

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Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males

Thank you! :-)

2010/12/27 ter...@tazzys.org

  All fingers and paws crossed here for the boy!
 Good luck!

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 From: Peggy Verdonck jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com
  Date: Mon, December 27, 2010 9:22 am
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

 Yes, he is a big boy! We found him at a gas station about 3 weeks ago. He
 was a little skinny but not bad. The people from the gas station put food
 out for him.
 We had to trap him because he was completely wild and feral. And
 now...the sweetest kittens you can imagine!!
 He is still separated from the other cats because I don't want to take the
 risk. We had a good scare earlier this year. Our other cats still have to
 go
 for their second round of testing.
 Fingers crossed!

 2010/12/27 ter...@tazzys.org

  LOL...guess he is good to go for his neutering!
  Big boy!
 
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  Dedicated to the welfare of animals.
 
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   Original Message 
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
  From: Peggy Verdonck jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com
  Date: Mon, December 27, 2010 8:57 am
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 
  I guess he is good.he weighs over 4 pounds!!
 
  2010/12/27 Peggy Verdonck jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com
 
   I have to weigh him, but I'm sure he is at least over 2 pounds. I will
  also
   call the vet and ask how much he has to weigh. Can you have a young
  kitten
   like that vaccinated against Felv?
  
   2010/12/27 ter...@tazzys.org
  
   Would like to add my Vets do the spaying/neutering at the lightest
 weight
   of 2 pounds. When I do take my kittens in they range from 2-3 pounds.
   They are given some of the vaccines and tattooed while under.
   All are tested for the viral diseases.
  
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   Sultan, WA. 98294
   Terrie Mohr-Forker
   http://tazzys.org/
   Non-Profit national rescue
   Dedicated to the welfare of animals.
  
   Copyright © 1999-2010 tazzys.org. All rights reserved.
  
  
  
    Original Message 
   Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
   From: ter...@tazzys.org
   Date: Mon, December 27, 2010 8:40 am
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  
  
   I have all my kittens spayed/neutered when they are 2-3 pounds feral
 or
   not.
   Normally they are about 10-12 weeks old at this time.
   In male kittens if the testicles are showing this is great they can be
   done!
   So this would be a good time to do it.
  
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    Original Message 
   Subject: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
   From: Peggy Verdonck jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com
   Date: Mon, December 27, 2010 8:29 am
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  
   Hi,
  
   Just a quick question. At what age do you guys have your male kittens
   neutered. I have a 10 to 12 week old kitten (not sure exactly, found
 him
   at
   a gas station).
   We have to have him tested for Felv/Fiv and I was thinking to have him
   neutered at the same time because it would save us a lot of money.
   He is a strong and healthy guy and both his testicals are showing
  already.
  
   Thanks for any replies,
  
   Peggy
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Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males

2010-12-27 Thread Kelley Saveika

We do ours at 6 months; our vet will not do them before that, and from what
I've read about the bad possible side effects of early s/n in dogs I can't
blame him.

On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com wrote:


 My vet prefers for them to weigh 3-4 pounds before surgery (usually 16
 weeks)

  Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 11:33:58 -0500
  From: athenapities...@gmail.com
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
 
  Many of the vets I use with rescues want the kitten to weigh 2 pounds,
 age
  doesn't matter.
 
  --Katy
 
  On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Peggy Verdonck 
  jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   Hi,
  
   Just a quick question. At what age do you guys have your male kittens
   neutered. I have a 10 to 12 week old kitten (not sure exactly, found
 him at
   a gas station).
   We have to have him tested for Felv/Fiv and I was thinking to have him
   neutered at the same time because it would save us a lot of money.
   He is a strong and healthy guy and both his testicals are showing
 already.
  
   Thanks for any replies,
  
   Peggy
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Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males

2010-12-27 Thread Susan Hoffman

We do them at 2 pounds/2 months in northern California.  With the girls we may 
wait till they are closer to 3 pounds though.

Cats can start going into heat at 4-1/2 months.  And with the boys, the sooner 
they are neutered the less likely they are to become sprayers.  If you are 
planning on adopting the little guy out I would suggest fixing him as soon as 
possible.  If he turns into a sprayer he will really not be adoptable to an 
indoor only home.

--- On Mon, 12/27/10, Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Monday, December 27, 2010, 9:52 AM
 We do ours at 6 months; our vet will
 not do them before that, and from what
 I've read about the bad possible side effects of early s/n
 in dogs I can't
 blame him.
 
 On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com
 wrote:
 
 
  My vet prefers for them to weigh 3-4 pounds before
 surgery (usually 16
  weeks)
 
   Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 11:33:58 -0500
   From: athenapities...@gmail.com
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
  
   Many of the vets I use with rescues want the
 kitten to weigh 2 pounds,
  age
   doesn't matter.
  
   --Katy
  
   On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Peggy Verdonck
 
   jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  
Hi,
   
Just a quick question. At what age do you
 guys have your male kittens
neutered. I have a 10 to 12 week old kitten
 (not sure exactly, found
  him at
a gas station).
We have to have him tested for Felv/Fiv and
 I was thinking to have him
neutered at the same time because it would
 save us a lot of money.
He is a strong and healthy guy and both his
 testicals are showing
  already.
   
Thanks for any replies,
   
Peggy
   
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Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males

Just make sure that the vet knows how to deal with neutering such a small
kitten - not all do!

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Katy Doyle
Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 11:34 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males

Many of the vets I use with rescues want the kitten to weigh 2 pounds, age
doesn't matter.

--Katy

On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Peggy Verdonck 
jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 Just a quick question. At what age do you guys have your male kittens
 neutered. I have a 10 to 12 week old kitten (not sure exactly, found him
at
 a gas station).
 We have to have him tested for Felv/Fiv and I was thinking to have him
 neutered at the same time because it would save us a lot of money.
 He is a strong and healthy guy and both his testicals are showing already.

 Thanks for any replies,

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Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males

I personally do NOT neuter/spay until much later and have never had a
sprayer.my vet doesn't like doing it that early, and believes that
neutering males so early has some possible future risks that are not yet
known.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika
Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 12:53 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males

We do ours at 6 months; our vet will not do them before that, and from what
I've read about the bad possible side effects of early s/n in dogs I can't
blame him.

On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com wrote:

 My vet prefers for them to weigh 3-4 pounds before surgery (usually 16
 weeks)

  Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 11:33:58 -0500
  From: athenapities...@gmail.com
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males

  Many of the vets I use with rescues want the kitten to weigh 2 pounds,
 age
  doesn't matter.

  --Katy

  On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Peggy Verdonck 
  jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com wrote:

   Hi,

   Just a quick question. At what age do you guys have your male kittens
   neutered. I have a 10 to 12 week old kitten (not sure exactly, found
 him at
   a gas station).
   We have to have him tested for Felv/Fiv and I was thinking to have him
   neutered at the same time because it would save us a lot of money.
   He is a strong and healthy guy and both his testicals are showing
 already.

   Thanks for any replies,

   Peggy
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Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males

2010-12-27 Thread Kim

I usually wait until they are 6 months old also.  However, I currently have
a litter of 1 female and 2 males and I was wanting to get it done before
they became sexually mature.  I have them scheduled for the middle of
January and they will be only 4 1/2 months old.  What are the future health
problems for early spays and neuters.  I haven't heard about this before.
Perhaps I need to reschedule for a later date?

...Saving just one pet won't change the worldbut surely the world will
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The top ten reasons to spay and neuter your dog or cat were killed in a
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-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie
Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 1:50 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males

I personally do NOT neuter/spay until much later and have never had a
sprayer.my vet doesn't like doing it that early, and believes that
neutering males so early has some possible future risks that are not yet
known.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika
Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 12:53 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males

We do ours at 6 months; our vet will not do them before that, and from what
I've read about the bad possible side effects of early s/n in dogs I can't
blame him.

On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com wrote:


 My vet prefers for them to weigh 3-4 pounds before surgery (usually 16
 weeks)

  Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 11:33:58 -0500
  From: athenapities...@gmail.com
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
 
  Many of the vets I use with rescues want the kitten to weigh 2 pounds,
 age
  doesn't matter.
 
  --Katy
 
  On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Peggy Verdonck 
  jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   Hi,
  
   Just a quick question. At what age do you guys have your male kittens
   neutered. I have a 10 to 12 week old kitten (not sure exactly, found
 him at
   a gas station).
   We have to have him tested for Felv/Fiv and I was thinking to have him
   neutered at the same time because it would save us a lot of money.
   He is a strong and healthy guy and both his testicals are showing
 already.
  
   Thanks for any replies,
  
   Peggy
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Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males

2010-12-27 Thread Gloria Lane

Right our vet does 2 lb 2 mo for boys also and later for girls.  We never have 
problems with the early neuter but like someone said *not all vets do it* - not 
all are experienced at doing it. So probably good to get one who's done it 
before and you trust.

Gloria

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On Dec 27, 2010, at 12:23 PM, Susan Hoffman susan_hoff...@yahoo.com wrote:

 We do them at 2 pounds/2 months in northern California.  With the girls we 
 may wait till they are closer to 3 pounds though.
 
 Cats can start going into heat at 4-1/2 months.  And with the boys, the 
 sooner they are neutered the less likely they are to become sprayers.  If you 
 are planning on adopting the little guy out I would suggest fixing him as 
 soon as possible.  If he turns into a sprayer he will really not be adoptable 
 to an indoor only home.
 
 --- On Mon, 12/27/10, Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 From: Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Monday, December 27, 2010, 9:52 AM
 We do ours at 6 months; our vet will
 not do them before that, and from what
 I've read about the bad possible side effects of early s/n
 in dogs I can't
 blame him.
 
 On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com
 wrote:
 
 
 My vet prefers for them to weigh 3-4 pounds before
 surgery (usually 16
 weeks)
 
 Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 11:33:58 -0500
 From: athenapities...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
 
 Many of the vets I use with rescues want the
 kitten to weigh 2 pounds,
 age
 doesn't matter.
 
 --Katy
 
 On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Peggy Verdonck
 
 jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Just a quick question. At what age do you
 guys have your male kittens
 neutered. I have a 10 to 12 week old kitten
 (not sure exactly, found
 him at
 a gas station).
 We have to have him tested for Felv/Fiv and
 I was thinking to have him
 neutered at the same time because it would
 save us a lot of money.
 He is a strong and healthy guy and both his
 testicals are showing
 already.
 
 Thanks for any replies,
 
 Peggy
 
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 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties*
 
 Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties!
 http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties
 
 Please help Trooper!
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males

I've only heard that especially for males, if they're too young and not
sexually mature, there could be urinary problems in the futurefor
females, it seems OK to do it early.  Right now, I have one female and 2
males of about 6-7 months of age. they're not large - absolutely no sign of
anything sexual going on.  But I will spay the female first.  They are
waiting to find homes.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kim
Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 2:02 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males

I usually wait until they are 6 months old also.  However, I currently have
a litter of 1 female and 2 males and I was wanting to get it done before
they became sexually mature.  I have them scheduled for the middle of
January and they will be only 4 1/2 months old.  What are the future health
problems for early spays and neuters.  I haven't heard about this before.
Perhaps I need to reschedule for a later date?

...Saving just one pet won't change the worldbut surely the world will
change for that one pet...
 
The top ten reasons to spay and neuter your dog or cat were killed in a
shelter today.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie
Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 1:50 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males

I personally do NOT neuter/spay until much later and have never had a
sprayer.my vet doesn't like doing it that early, and believes that
neutering males so early has some possible future risks that are not yet
known.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika
Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 12:53 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males

We do ours at 6 months; our vet will not do them before that, and from what
I've read about the bad possible side effects of early s/n in dogs I can't
blame him.

On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com wrote:


 My vet prefers for them to weigh 3-4 pounds before surgery (usually 16
 weeks)

  Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 11:33:58 -0500
  From: athenapities...@gmail.com
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
 
  Many of the vets I use with rescues want the kitten to weigh 2 pounds,
 age
  doesn't matter.
 
  --Katy
 
  On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Peggy Verdonck 
  jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   Hi,
  
   Just a quick question. At what age do you guys have your male kittens
   neutered. I have a 10 to 12 week old kitten (not sure exactly, found
 him at
   a gas station).
   We have to have him tested for Felv/Fiv and I was thinking to have him
   neutered at the same time because it would save us a lot of money.
   He is a strong and healthy guy and both his testicals are showing
 already.
  
   Thanks for any replies,
  
   Peggy
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Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males

2010-12-27 Thread Susan Hoffman

It's different if you are a rescue who places animals for adoption.  In 
California it is illegal for a 501(c)(3) non-profit to adopt out an unaltered 
animal.  Also, we have so many vets in Northern California who are very 
experienced at early age spay/neuter.  It's the standard here and the kittens 
always seem to bounce back so quickly from their surgery.

--- On Mon, 12/27/10, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Monday, December 27, 2010, 10:49 AM
 I personally do NOT neuter/spay until
 much later and have never had a
 sprayer.my vet doesn't like doing it that early, and
 believes that
 neutering males so early has some possible future risks
 that are not yet
 known.

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
 On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika
 Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 12:53 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males

 We do ours at 6 months; our vet will not do them before
 that, and from what
 I've read about the bad possible side effects of early s/n
 in dogs I can't
 blame him.

 On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com
 wrote:

  My vet prefers for them to weigh 3-4 pounds before
 surgery (usually 16
  weeks)

   Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 11:33:58 -0500
   From: athenapities...@gmail.com
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males

   Many of the vets I use with rescues want the
 kitten to weigh 2 pounds,
  age
   doesn't matter.

   --Katy

   On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Peggy Verdonck

   jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com
 wrote:

Hi,

Just a quick question. At what age do you
 guys have your male kittens
neutered. I have a 10 to 12 week old kitten
 (not sure exactly, found
  him at
a gas station).
We have to have him tested for Felv/Fiv and
 I was thinking to have him
neutered at the same time because it would
 save us a lot of money.
He is a strong and healthy guy and both his
 testicals are showing
  already.

Thanks for any replies,

Peggy

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Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males

I am a rescue group - but we don't have any laws in CT to alter them before
adoptions.  Probably a great idea! I keep in personal contact with adopters
and make absolutely sure that they spay/neuter at the appropriate times.
But they found that even though people pay for the spay/neuter at the time
of adoption, a huge percentage never come back to do it...Whether they do it
on their own or not, isn't known.  More likely, they don't, and that's why
such a problem continues.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman
Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 3:45 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males

It's different if you are a rescue who places animals for adoption.  In
California it is illegal for a 501(c)(3) non-profit to adopt out an
unaltered animal.  Also, we have so many vets in Northern California who are
very experienced at early age spay/neuter.  It's the standard here and the
kittens always seem to bounce back so quickly from their surgery.

--- On Mon, 12/27/10, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Monday, December 27, 2010, 10:49 AM
 I personally do NOT neuter/spay until
 much later and have never had a
 sprayer.my vet doesn't like doing it that early, and
 believes that
 neutering males so early has some possible future risks
 that are not yet
 known.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
 On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika
 Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 12:53 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
 
 We do ours at 6 months; our vet will not do them before
 that, and from what
 I've read about the bad possible side effects of early s/n
 in dogs I can't
 blame him.
 
 On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com
 wrote:
 
 
  My vet prefers for them to weigh 3-4 pounds before
 surgery (usually 16
  weeks)
 
   Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 11:33:58 -0500
   From: athenapities...@gmail.com
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
  
   Many of the vets I use with rescues want the
 kitten to weigh 2 pounds,
  age
   doesn't matter.
  
   --Katy
  
   On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Peggy Verdonck
 
   jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  
Hi,
   
Just a quick question. At what age do you
 guys have your male kittens
neutered. I have a 10 to 12 week old kitten
 (not sure exactly, found
  him at
a gas station).
We have to have him tested for Felv/Fiv and
 I was thinking to have him
neutered at the same time because it would
 save us a lot of money.
He is a strong and healthy guy and both his
 testicals are showing
  already.
   
Thanks for any replies,
   
Peggy
   
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Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males

Wow, I went outside for a little bit to ride one of our horses.bunches
of new replies :-)

All our other cats were around 9 months old when spayed or neutered. I'm
from the Netherlands and there are not many vets that will do it earlier
then that. I've been reading and listening to the pros and cons to
early/late neutering and spaying, but there are just as many pros as cons in
either of them. I even lean towards early, because a kitten bounces back a
lot quicker then an older cat.
I've personally made up my mind that it is better to neuter young, but not
at like 3 weeks old or so. I don't think much can go wrong with a male. If a
vet messes that up, he needs to go back to school. With females I would wait
till older. It is a lot harder on them because they actually get opened up
and have all their female organs removed..
With my first question I was just wondering at what age most people have
their male kittens neutered. Didn't even think about the weight of the
kitten...makes a lot more sense!

Thanks for the all the replies!

2010/12/27 Susan Hoffman susan_hoff...@yahoo.com

 Unfortunately that has been the experience of too many people.  Even with a
 contract and a spay/neuter deposit it does not happen.  Or it doesn't happen
 until after that little surprise litter from a 7 month old cat.  Early age
 spay/neuter goes a long way towards reducing pet overpopulation.  The areas
 that do very young spay/neuter amd have active feral cat programs have fewer
 kittens in shelters and higher adult cat adoptions.  So if you're going to
 adopt them out, fix them first.

 --- On Mon, 12/27/10, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

  From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Date: Monday, December 27, 2010, 1:14 PM
   I am a rescue group - but we don't
  have any laws in CT to alter them before
  adoptions.  Probably a great idea! I keep in personal
  contact with adopters
  and make absolutely sure that they spay/neuter at the
  appropriate times.
  But they found that even though people pay for the
  spay/neuter at the time
  of adoption, a huge percentage never come back to do
  it...Whether they do it
  on their own or not, isn't known.  More likely, they
  don't, and that's why
  such a problem continues.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
  [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
  On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman
  Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 3:45 PM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
 
  It's different if you are a rescue who places animals for
  adoption.  In
  California it is illegal for a 501(c)(3) non-profit to
  adopt out an
  unaltered animal.  Also, we have so many vets in
  Northern California who are
  very experienced at early age spay/neuter.  It's the
  standard here and the
  kittens always seem to bounce back so quickly from their
  surgery.
 
  --- On Mon, 12/27/10, Natalie at...@optonline.net
  wrote:
 
   From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
   Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Date: Monday, December 27, 2010, 10:49 AM
   I personally do NOT neuter/spay until
   much later and have never had a
   sprayer.my vet doesn't like doing it that early,
  and
   believes that
   neutering males so early has some possible future
  risks
   that are not yet
   known.
  
   -Original Message-
   From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
   [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
   On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika
   Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 12:53 PM
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
  
   We do ours at 6 months; our vet will not do them
  before
   that, and from what
   I've read about the bad possible side effects of early
  s/n
   in dogs I can't
   blame him.
  
   On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com
   wrote:
  
   
My vet prefers for them to weigh 3-4 pounds
  before
   surgery (usually 16
weeks)
   
 Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 11:33:58 -0500
 From: athenapities...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males

 Many of the vets I use with rescues want
  the
   kitten to weigh 2 pounds,
age
 doesn't matter.

 --Katy

 On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Peggy
  Verdonck
   
 jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com
   wrote:

  Hi,
 
  Just a quick question. At what age do
  you
   guys have your male kittens
  neutered. I have a 10 to 12 week old
  kitten
   (not sure exactly, found
him at
  a gas station).
  We have to have him tested for Felv/Fiv
  and
   I was thinking to have him
  neutered at the same time because it
  would
   save us a lot of money.
  He is a strong and healthy guy and both
  his
   testicals are showing
already.
 
  Thanks for any replies

Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males

2010-12-27 Thread Lorrie

Kelley, Our vet says exactly the same thing, so we s/n at 6 months.


On 12-27, Kelley Saveika wrote:
 We do ours at 6 months; our vet will not do them before that, and from what
 I've read about the bad possible side effects of early s/n in dogs I can't
 blame him.
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males

I totally agree it is the law here as well.
Being a rescue and non-profit we do all kittens after they reach the desired weight before they are adopted out. Matter of fact I do not list any kittens until they have been done. I have 3 litters going next week with their moms to be altered.
Yes, they do bounced back after have this done. It is harder the older the kitty.
My Vets tooare very experience doing these spay/neuters at young ages.
I have seen females come into heat at 41/1-5 months old then be pregnant at 6 months popping out kittens.
I've taken in several young moms in the last year more so than in the past years because of being too young to have kittens. People play off being stupid like they didn't know they could get pregnant at that age.
Male kittens and adultsdo try to go after them.
It's nature!

Original Message Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering malesFrom: Susan Hoffman susan_hoff...@yahoo.comDate: Mon, December 27, 2010 12:44 pmTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgIt's different if you are a rescue who places animals for adoption. In California it is illegal for a 501(c)(3) non-profit to adopt out an unaltered animal. Also, we have so many vets in Northern California who are very experienced at early age spay/neuter. It's the standard here and the kittens always seem to bounce back so quickly from their surgery.--- On Mon, 12/27/10, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: From: Natalie at...@optonline.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, December 27, 2010, 10:49 AM I personally do NOT neuter/spay until much later and have never had a sprayer.my vet doesn't like doing it that early, and believes that neutering males so early has some possible future risks that are not yet known. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 12:53 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males We do ours at 6 months; our vet will not do them before that, and from what I've read about the bad possible side effects of early s/n in dogs I can't blame him. On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com wrote:My vet prefers for them to weigh 3-4 pounds before surgery (usually 16 weeks)Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 11:33:58 -0500 From: athenapities...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males Many of the vets I use with rescues want the kitten to weigh 2 pounds, age doesn't matter. --Katy On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Peggy Verdonckjetalitosunnys...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Just a quick question. At what age do you guys have your male kittensneutered. I have a 10 to 12 week old kitten (not sure exactly, found him ata gas station).We have to have him tested for Felv/Fiv and I was thinking to have himneutered at the same time because it would save us a lot of money.He is a strong and healthy guy and both his testicals are showing already. Thanks for any replies, Peggy___Felvtalk mailing listFelvtalk@felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper "And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can't complain about it, that they can't fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue." - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___Felvtalk mailing listFelvtalk@felineleukemia.orghttp://felinele

Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males

DITTO here!

Original Message Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering malesFrom: Susan Hoffman susan_hoff...@yahoo.comDate: Mon, December 27, 2010 1:22 pmTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgUnfortunately that has been the experience of too many people. Even with a contract and a spay/neuter deposit it does not happen. Or it doesn't happen until after that little surprise litter from a 7 month old cat. Early age spay/neuter goes a long way towards reducing pet overpopulation. The areas that do very young spay/neuter amd have active feral cat programs have fewer kittens in shelters and higher adult cat adoptions. So if you're going to adopt them out, fix them first.--- On Mon, 12/27/10, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: From: Natalie at...@optonline.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, December 27, 2010, 1:14 PM I am a rescue group - but we don't have any laws in CT to alter them before adoptions. Probably a great idea! I keep in personal contact with adopters and make absolutely sure that they spay/neuter at the appropriate times. But they found that even though people pay for the spay/neuter at the time of adoption, a huge percentage never come back to do it...Whether they do it on their own or not, isn't known. More likely, they don't, and that's why such a problem continues. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 3:45 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males It's different if you are a rescue who places animals for adoption. In California it is illegal for a 501(c)(3) non-profit to adopt out an unaltered animal. Also, we have so many vets in Northern California who are very experienced at early age spay/neuter. It's the standard here and the kittens always seem to bounce back so quickly from their surgery. --- On Mon, 12/27/10, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: From: Natalie at...@optonline.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, December 27, 2010, 10:49 AM I personally do NOT neuter/spay until much later and have never had a sprayer.my vet doesn't like doing it that early, and believes that neutering males so early has some possible future risks that are not yet known.-Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 12:53 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering malesWe do ours at 6 months; our vet will not do them before that, and from what I've read about the bad possible side effects of early s/n in dogs I can't blame him.On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com wrote: My vet prefers for them to weigh 3-4 pounds before surgery (usually 16 weeks) Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 11:33:58 -0500From: athenapities...@gmail.comTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males Many of the vets I use with rescues want the kitten to weigh 2 pounds, agedoesn't matter. --Katy On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Peggy Verdonck jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com wrote:Hi, Just a quick question. At what age do you guys have your male kittens neutered. I have a 10 to 12 week old kitten (not sure exactly, found him at a gas station). We have to have him tested for Felv/Fiv and I was thinking to have him neutered at the same time because it would save us a lot of money. He is a strong and healthy guy and both his testicals are showing already. Thanks for any replies, Peggy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___Felvtalk mailing listFelvtalk@felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.http://www.rescuties.orgVist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life!http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties*Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescutiesPlease help Trooper!http

Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males

2010-12-27 Thread Kelley Saveika

I figure that amazingly enough he's been to vet school and I haven't.  The
local low cost spay and neuter places (I call them chop n shops) will do
them at 3 months, but their primary concern is that all animals be spayed
and neutered no matter what, and they killed one of our kittens with a
botched spay - never again.  Our current vet does them at 6 months because
his concern is the health of each individual animal - and I like that.

We have never had anyone get pregnant.

If they are not altered we adopt out on foster to adopt, which means we
still own the animal and they are fostering.  It works if you can keep up
with it.  We never transfer ownership on an unaltered animal.

On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 5:10 PM, Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com wrote:

 Kelley, Our vet says exactly the same thing, so we s/n at 6 months.


 On 12-27, Kelley Saveika wrote:
  We do ours at 6 months; our vet will not do them before that, and from
 what
  I've read about the bad possible side effects of early s/n in dogs I
 can't
  blame him.
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males

2010-12-27 Thread janine paton

Last year we had a brother/sister feral pair just in, crated together and when 
spayed 2 wks later at 5 1/2 mos, the female was pregnant already with one 
kitten.  


We can't afford to spay.neuter every single litter we take on right away, but 
follow up like crazy with adoptions and our rule is spay/neuter at 5 mos.  They 
do heal faster at a younger age.  


See Winn Feline Foundation website for more information about this - it might 
dispel the myths of early spay/neuter, esp with boys.  


Human children seem to be more prone to early sexuality, why not cats? 

Janine




- Original Message 
From: Peggy Verdonck jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Mon, December 27, 2010 6:00:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males

Wow, I went outside for a little bit to ride one of our horses.bunches
of new replies :-)

All our other cats were around 9 months old when spayed or neutered. I'm
from the Netherlands and there are not many vets that will do it earlier
then that. I've been reading and listening to the pros and cons to
early/late neutering and spaying, but there are just as many pros as cons in
either of them. I even lean towards early, because a kitten bounces back a
lot quicker then an older cat.
I've personally made up my mind that it is better to neuter young, but not
at like 3 weeks old or so. I don't think much can go wrong with a male. If a
vet messes that up, he needs to go back to school. With females I would wait
till older. It is a lot harder on them because they actually get opened up
and have all their female organs removed..
With my first question I was just wondering at what age most people have
their male kittens neutered. Didn't even think about the weight of the
kitten...makes a lot more sense!

Thanks for the all the replies!

2010/12/27 Susan Hoffman susan_hoff...@yahoo.com

 Unfortunately that has been the experience of too many people.  Even with a
 contract and a spay/neuter deposit it does not happen.  Or it doesn't happen
 until after that little surprise litter from a 7 month old cat.  Early age
 spay/neuter goes a long way towards reducing pet overpopulation.  The areas
 that do very young spay/neuter amd have active feral cat programs have fewer
 kittens in shelters and higher adult cat adoptions.  So if you're going to
 adopt them out, fix them first.

 --- On Mon, 12/27/10, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

  From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Date: Monday, December 27, 2010, 1:14 PM
   I am a rescue group - but we don't
  have any laws in CT to alter them before
  adoptions.  Probably a great idea! I keep in personal
  contact with adopters
  and make absolutely sure that they spay/neuter at the
  appropriate times.
  But they found that even though people pay for the
  spay/neuter at the time
  of adoption, a huge percentage never come back to do
  it...Whether they do it
  on their own or not, isn't known.  More likely, they
  don't, and that's why
  such a problem continues.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
  [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
  On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman
  Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 3:45 PM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
 
  It's different if you are a rescue who places animals for
  adoption.  In
  California it is illegal for a 501(c)(3) non-profit to
  adopt out an
  unaltered animal.  Also, we have so many vets in
  Northern California who are
  very experienced at early age spay/neuter.  It's the
  standard here and the
  kittens always seem to bounce back so quickly from their
  surgery.
 
  --- On Mon, 12/27/10, Natalie at...@optonline.net
  wrote:
 
   From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
   Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Date: Monday, December 27, 2010, 10:49 AM
   I personally do NOT neuter/spay until
   much later and have never had a
   sprayer.my vet doesn't like doing it that early,
  and
   believes that
   neutering males so early has some possible future
  risks
   that are not yet
   known.
  
   -Original Message-
   From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
   [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
   On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika
   Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 12:53 PM
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
  
   We do ours at 6 months; our vet will not do them
  before
   that, and from what
   I've read about the bad possible side effects of early
  s/n
   in dogs I can't
   blame him.
  
   On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com
   wrote:
  
   
My vet prefers for them to weigh 3-4 pounds
  before
   surgery (usually 16
weeks)
   
 Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 11:33:58 -0500
 From: athenapities...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re

Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males

2010-12-27 Thread Belinda Sauro

My Vet spays and neuters when they are 4 lbs, so all of my guys 
were done about a month ago.  2 boys and a girl, all did fine.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males

2010-12-27 Thread MaiMaiPG

Sometimes you have to take the chance and pray you are right.  I had a  
little girl spayed early..she had to stay at the vet's until she  
weighed enough and that was expensive. I think it was worth it  
though.  She has a wonderful home and will have no kittens.  She was a  
tiny feral and catching her once was very hard. Finding her a home at  
3 months (???) of age worked.  I don't know that she could have been  
caught or a home found if she had been much older.  And yes, the  
unneutered males in the area would have led Angel off to an uncertain  
future.


Copper and Thomas were done a little early because I wanted my very  
special vets in Louisville (Middletown Animal Clinic) to take care of  
them.  They weighed enough and one was thinking about spraying.  Both  
needed to be done at the same time to maintain the balance of power.   
There is two weeks or so difference in age. They did wonderfully.   
Don't ask how many times I checked on them that day...


Like I said, sometimes you have to push the calendar and trust the  
vet.  I would hate to turn a kitten/pup that was not spayed or  
neutered over to even the best home..I've watched too many people  
come up with reasons not to get the cat/dog fixed even when the bill  
was being paid and the baby transported and.always a  
reasonand more homeless animals.
On Dec 27, 2010, at 7:46 PM, ter...@tazzys.org ter...@tazzys.org  
wrote:



I totally agree it is the law here as well.
Being a rescue and non-profit we do all kittens after they reach the  
desired weight before they are adopted out. Matter of fact I do not  
list any kittens until they have been done. I have 3 litters going  
next week with their moms to be altered.
Yes, they do bounced back after have this done. It is harder the  
older the kitty.
My Vets too are very experience doing these spay/neuters at young  
ages.
I have seen females come into heat at 41/1-5 months old then be  
pregnant at 6 months popping out kittens.
I've taken in several young moms in the last year more so than in  
the past years because of being too young to have kittens. People  
play off being stupid like they didn't know they could get pregnant  
at that age.

Male kittens and adults do try to go after them.
It's nature!

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 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
From: Susan Hoffman susan_hoff...@yahoo.com
Date: Mon, December 27, 2010 12:44 pm
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

It's different if you are a rescue who places animals for adoption.  
In California it is illegal for a 501(c)(3) non-profit to adopt out  
an unaltered animal. Also, we have so many vets in Northern  
California who are very experienced at early age spay/neuter. It's  
the standard here and the kittens always seem to bounce back so  
quickly from their surgery.


--- On Mon, 12/27/10, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Monday, December 27, 2010, 10:49 AM
 I personally do NOT neuter/spay until
 much later and have never had a
 sprayer.my vet doesn't like doing it that early, and
 believes that
 neutering males so early has some possible future risks
 that are not yet
 known.

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
 On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika
 Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 12:53 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males

 We do ours at 6 months; our vet will not do them before
 that, and from what
 I've read about the bad possible side effects of early s/n
 in dogs I can't
 blame him.

 On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com
 wrote:

 
  My vet prefers for them to weigh 3-4 pounds before
 surgery (usually 16
  weeks)
 
   Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 11:33:58 -0500
   From: athenapities...@gmail.com
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
  
   Many of the vets I use with rescues want the
 kitten to weigh 2 pounds,
  age
   doesn't matter.
  
   --Katy
  
   On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Peggy Verdonck
 
   jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  
Hi,
   
Just a quick question. At what age do you
 guys have your male kittens
neutered. I have a 10 to 12 week old kitten
 (not sure exactly, found
  him at
a gas station).
We have to have him tested for Felv/Fiv and
 I was thinking to have him
neutered at the same time because it would
 save us a lot of money.
He is a strong and healthy guy and both his
 testicals are showing
  already.
   
Thanks for any replies,
   
Peggy

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