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Hi Susan, Thanks for the well wishes. Bailey is getting Winstrol, he has been getting that for almost a month and it has stopped the wasting from getting worse and my vet thinks his muscle mass is improving. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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That is so cool. When I mentioned it to our vet he said it would be too hard to get - did you have any trouble?Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Susan,Thanks for the well wishes. Bailey is getting Winstrol, he has been getting that for almost a month and it has stopped the wasting from getting worse and my vet thinks his muscle mass is improving.-- BelindaHappiness is being owned by cats ...Be-Mi-Kitties ...http://www.bemikitties.comPost Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittenshttp://adopt.bemikitties.comFeLV Candle Light Servicehttp://www.bemikitties.com/clsHostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design)http://HostDesign4U.com---BMK Designs (non-profit web sites)http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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Susan, My vet did say it was hard to get, but the compounding pharmacy in town can get it and that's why I was able to. I asked them and they are only able to get it for local vets, so it is not the easiest thing to get. But for future reference if it comes up again, have your vet contact compounding pharmacies, and if you have any I would start with local ones. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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We have a couple in town. Next time I will locate it first and then ask him to get it! Thanks.Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Susan,My vet did say it was hard to get, but the compounding pharmacy in town can get it and that's why I was able to. I asked them and they are only able to get it for local vets, so it is not the easiest thing to get. But for future reference if it comes up again, have your vet contact compounding pharmacies, and if you have any I would start with local ones.-- BelindaHappiness is being owned by cats ...Be-Mi-Kitties ...http://www.bemikitties.comPost Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittenshttp://adopt.bemikitties.comFeLV Candle Light Servicehttp://www.bemikitties.com/clsHostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design)http://HostDesign4U.com---BMK Designs (non-profit web sites)http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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Positive thoughts coming your way. =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, Travis, Dori and 6 furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec Salome' =^..^= Furkid Photos! http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/My Personal Page: http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350 Earth and Family Safe Products! http://www.moreinfo247.com/9162990/VCLNice Offers! www.niceoffers.com/9162990 Buy Avon Online! http://www.youravon.com/theresabrown Fire your Boss! http://www.moreinfo247.com/9162990/HFB - Original Message - From: Belinda Sauro To: FeLV Talk List [New] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 12:37 PM Subject: Bailey Update Bailey's bloodwork is very good, his anemia is pretty much resolved, his HCT went from his lowest of 15% up to now 40%, so he is no longer anemic.Physically however he is not improving, he is still not really gaining any significant weight (from 8.4 to 8.9.5 in a little over a month), he is still bony and very lethargic and inactive. She feels his muscle wasting is getting a little better, I can't really tell, sometimes I think it is sometimes I'm not so sure. My vet is stumped, I really feel we have cancer somewhere and just haven't found it, my vet did say he is touchy when she checks his kidney's and I am going to get an ultrasound done on his organs to see if we are missing something with his kidney's (his urinalysis was normal) or intestines (she say's they feel fine, but I want to check everything). He was diagnosed with arthritis in his back about a year ago and I'm beginning to wonder if there isn't something going on with his spine (he is weak on his backend sometimes when walking, he'll titl or sway to one side, just for a second but it is there). The tender spine area and kidney's are about in the same vicinity and my vet said it may be his spine but she feels it is his kidney ... He had a urinalysis that came back normal, he doesn't appear to be dehydrated.I do have a friend that said she had a cat that would get very lethargic and sleep ALOT when she was on prednisolone and when they took her off she would be her normal self, could the pred be part of his lethargy problem? Even if that is part of the problem, I know there is more going on because of the muscle wasting and boniness, I have only seen this happen in cancer kitties, has anyone seen this with other disease processes?Sometimes he will also get up, head for the bathroom, or just take a few steps, and then he will back up and layback down. He'll do this several times and almost always take a poop at some point wherever he happens to be. I have looked at his face when he is doing this and sometimes he appears to be kind of spacey looking So I wonder if there is something neurological or something with his brain going on?Sean does any of this strike a chord with you? Remember Bailey is FeLV+ and was diagnosed by the pathologist who looked at his bone marrow aspirate, at antech labs as being preleukemic myliod dyplastic.My vet say's by all accounts being that his bloodwork is so good, all of his blood counts are normal, some where low before, they are all normal now. She feels the FeLV virus is dormant again and not replicating in his bone marrow and he should be feeling good and acting normal. It is so frustrating to not know why he is not doing better!!-- BelindaHappiness is being owned by cats ...Be-Mi-Kitties ...http://www.bemikitties.comPost Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittenshttp://adopt.bemikitties.comFeLV Candle Light Servicehttp://www.bemikitties.com/clsHostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design)http://HostDesign4U.com---BMK Designs (non-profit web sites)http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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Belinda, A few thoughts. I have never heard of pred causing low energy-- usually it is the opposite. However, too much steroids over a long period can sometimes cause something called Cushings Disease in humans and dogs-- it did with my dog Fern. Muscle wasting and lethargy can both be symptoms, as well as joint swelling and tenderness. Cats are much less prone to this, but I think it might happen in very rare cases. However, didn't these symptoms predate your putting him on the pred? I hate to mention it, but lymphoma in the brain does not necessary show up in blood work or anywhere else. I had no idea Ginger was even sick until two days before she died. Though she was extremely energetic and did not have any muscle wasting either, but I think it can depend on where in the brain it is.Usually, though, I think there are symptoms like she had-- walking in circles, seeming off-balance, before or instead of something systemic like muscle wasting. If you do not find anything with the ultrasound, I want to make another plug for trying I-R. Dr. Lees, who wrote one of the articles on it, says he uses it on positive cats who come in thin and anemic and without energy and it often gets them back to feeling normal and having normal blood work. I know you want to get a diagnosis, and I hope the ultrasound is useful, but I hope he doesn't have cancer. Michelle In a message dated 3/8/2006 12:37:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Bailey's bloodwork is very good, his anemia is pretty much resolved, his HCT went from his lowest of 15% up to now 40%, so he is no longer anemic.Physically however he is not improving, he is still not really gaining any significant weight (from 8.4 to 8.9.5 in a little over a month), he is still bony and very lethargic and inactive. She feels his muscle wasting is getting a little better, I can't really tell, sometimes I think it is sometimes I'm not so sure. My vet is stumped, I really feel we have cancer somewhere and just haven't found it, my vet did say he is touchy when she checks his kidney's and I am going to get an ultrasound done on his organs to see if we are missing something with his kidney's (his urinalysis was normal) or intestines (she say's they feel fine, but I want to check everything). He was diagnosed with arthritis in his back about a year ago and I'm beginning to wonder if there isn't something going on with his spine (he is weak on his backend sometimes when walking, he'll titl or sway to one side, just for a second but it is there). The tender spine area and kidney's are about in the same vicinity and my vet said it may be his spine but she feels it is his kidney ... He had a urinalysis that came back normal, he doesn't appear to be dehydrated.I do have a friend that said she had a cat that would get very lethargic and sleep ALOT when she was on prednisolone and when they took her off she would be her normal self, could the pred be part of his lethargy problem? Even if that is part of the problem, I know there is more going on because of the muscle wasting and boniness, I have only seen this happen in cancer kitties, has anyone seen this with other disease processes?Sometimes he will also get up, head for the bathroom, or just take a few steps, and then he will back up and layback down. He'll do this several times and almost always take a poop at some point wherever he happens to be. I have looked at his face when he is doing this and sometimes he appears to be kind of spacey looking So I wonder if there is something neurological or something with his brain going on?Sean does any of this strike a chord with you? Remember Bailey is FeLV+ and was diagnosed by the pathologist who looked at his bone marrow aspirate, at antech labs as being preleukemic myliod dyplastic.My vet say's by all accounts being that his bloodwork is so good, all of his blood counts are normal, some where low before, they are all normal now. She feels the FeLV virus is dormant again and not replicating in his bone marrow and he should be feeling good and acting normal. It is so frustrating to not know why he is not doing better!!
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Belinda, Do you think that trying Immuno-regulin might help? It stimulates the immune system. I know he is on steroids to suppress the immune system, but I think they work on two different kinds of cells. I think that the steroids suppress B cells, which are the killer cells, while I-R and most other immune supports build up T cells, which control B cells. This is what Dr. Lees, the Ohio vet who wrote one of the I-R articles on our website told me when I called him a few years ago to ask about it. He frequently uses both I-R and steroids together. Michelle
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Belinda,I'm glad to hear Bailey's hanging in there. Maybe his body is healing while he rests some and that's why he's not been up and around too much. Take care of yourself too.tonyaBelinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Michelle,He is about the same without the diarrhea. Still sleeping alot and little to no energy.Although one of the AC (animal communicators) who also does healing did some work on him yesterday and he did get around more today. He moved more today than he has in quite a while, it was nice to see him moving around.Currently he is getting his Winstrol (anobolic steroid), prednisolone, epogen (3 times a week), Gastriplex, vitamin B complex, folic acid, pet tinic, salmon oil, COQ-10, and we started interferon yesterday. He also gets 100 ccs of fluid every other day. He is maintaining his weight at 8.4 to 8.5 pounds so atleast we aren't losing anymore.Vet is still checking on the chemo for a dosage, but all the other vets she has talked to say the same thing, nothing they have tried really works for this type of anemia, and I guess the wasting and lethargy are symptoms of this. He will get his bloodwork checked again in about 3 weeks.Thanks for asking, not getting much sleep, setting my alarm to feed him every 4 hours.-- BelindaHappiness is being owned by cats ...Be-Mi-Kitties ...http://www.bemikitties.comPost Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittenshttp://adopt.bemikitties.comFeLV Candle Light Servicehttp://www.bemikitties.com/clsHostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design)http://HostDesign4U.com---BMK Designs (non-profit web sites)http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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Belinda, how is Bailey? Michelle
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Hi Michelle, He is about the same without the diarrhea. Still sleeping alot and little to no energy. Although one of the AC (animal communicators) who also does healing did some work on him yesterday and he did get around more today. He moved more today than he has in quite a while, it was nice to see him moving around. Currently he is getting his Winstrol (anobolic steroid), prednisolone, epogen (3 times a week), Gastriplex, vitamin B complex, folic acid, pet tinic, salmon oil, COQ-10, and we started interferon yesterday. He also gets 100 ccs of fluid every other day. He is maintaining his weight at 8.4 to 8.5 pounds so atleast we aren't losing anymore. Vet is still checking on the chemo for a dosage, but all the other vets she has talked to say the same thing, nothing they have tried really works for this type of anemia, and I guess the wasting and lethargy are symptoms of this. He will get his bloodwork checked again in about 3 weeks. Thanks for asking, not getting much sleep, setting my alarm to feed him every 4 hours. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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Good luck , thinking of you, and fingers crossedKindest Regards Sandra --- catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 20:50:51 -0800 (PST)To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Bailey UpdateIs it too soon to start putting in some (just a bit) of a/d of nutrical or something more substantial? Or is the doctor afraid it will start the diarrhea back..I am just throwing out ideas. I have no clue. But if the bloodwork is good there is hope. I hope you get the steroids going soon. tBelinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Tonya All,He had diarrhea for 10 or 12 days, and I mean continuous diarrhea, it was ozzing out involuntarily whenever wherever. It has been under control since this last Thursday so for the last 5 days he hasn't had it. Since Friday he has lost 4 more ozs., and is getting bonier. She did say that the steady diarrhea could definately have something to do with it, but if you could see the differen ce in just the last wek you would know why I feel something else is going on. His last bloodwork is better, that what's so puzzling. He isn't dehydrated, I've been giving him fluids every other day and each time we have gone to the vets, she said he is not dehydrated. His blood pressure came up to normal (120), it was at 80, so we just don't get it. She did say this is her first case of this type of anemia and she really doesn't know what to expect as far as symptoms and progression.She has a call into Greg Ogilvie DVM, he is an oncologist and leukemia related diseases specialist. He is out of town and should be back tomorrow so hopefully he will have some answers. She said from all she has read about this, it is usually seen in younger cats (2 to 4 yrs old, and usually in cats that were either born with the virus or got it shortly thereafter), so she is really surprised that Bailey has this type of anemia. Bailey was pos itive at 5 months of age so he was young when he was diagnosed and for all I know he may have been born with it he was a stray that showed up at the Walmart I was working at. I know we have been very lucky for 10 years but I'm greedy and want more ...The bad thing is most chemos are not a good idea because of the fact that his bone marrow is already sick and chemos will make that worse, not to mention that chemo just hasn't been shown to be very effective with this type of leukemia, but she said there is a new chemo being tried for this that is in the trail stages and she is going to ask Dr Ogilvie about that too. I told her we have nothing to lose and at this point I am willing to try anything. We all know the out come here and if there is anything that may give us a fighting chance I'm all for trying it!!What's strange too is there were no actual leukemia cells found, just preleukemia cells. She did find some info thou gh that say's some cats can convert to active leukemia in a matter of months or even weeks, and that is a possibility. Another bone marrow aspirate would confirm that but I don't see any reason to do that since we would continue with the same treatment course either way.I got the winstrol (antolobic steroid) tonight and will start it tomorrow, I sure hope it helps.-- BelindaHappiness is being owned by cats ...Be-Mi-Kitties ...http://www.bemikitties.comPost Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittenshttp://adopt.bemikitties.comFeLV Candle Light Servicehttp://www.bemikitties.com/clsHostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design)http://HostDesign4U.com---BMK Designs (non-profit web sites)http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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Belinda, This made me think of B12 injections. They're suppose to help with nutrition absorption. Has Bailey been getting them? Poor little pin cushion, but maybe they'd help? Nina Chris wrote: Belinda, Thinking of you and Bailey... I know this is a crazy idea, but what about some sort of intestinal parasites? Could affect Bailey's ability to absorb nutrients? Chris
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Chris, Don't ever hesitate to post! Any knowledge we've gained comes from experience and each other. Besides, it's so supportive to know others are thinking about our babies and care enough to say so. Nina Chris wrote: Folks here are so knowledgeable that I sort of hesitated to send--but it just seems odd that all those tests can't pick up anything specifid and sometimes it's the little simple things that get overlooked... also, something else that folks in NY have started relating to is Lyme Disease in dogs Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I will ask my vet today, i know he was checked way back on January 3rd and 11th, but not sure about recently. She said this may just be part of the progression of this type of anemia, since she has not dealt with it before she doesn't know what to expect, that's why she wants to speak with Greg Ogilvie DVM, he is an oncologist and she mentored under him when she was in school. She said cats (and people) with cancer get a type of wasting called cachaxsia (I'm sure that isn't spelled right) and that may be a part of how this anemia progresses. Dr Ogilvie should be back in the country today so hopefully he will get back to her today or tomorrow. I gave Bailey his first dose of winstrol and he didn't have an adverse reaction so that is good. Wendy you said yours was a shot, mine is a capsule, did you get yours at a compounding pharmacy? Do you remember the dose size it was? -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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Belinda,I obviously can't understand it. With the bloodwork looking so much better! I hope you find an answer soon. Give Bailey extra kisses from me.tBelinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All,Well Bailey's results today show all organ functions are normal, all bloodwork except amylase is normal (it is high but not high enough at this point to be concerned) and his HCT is up to 27%, getting close to normal, so even though his anemia is getting better he is not ... He is still physically deteriorating. His muscle mass is all but gone, he still sleeps 24/7, we did finally clear up the diarrhea, and he is a bit wobbly in the back end when he walks. I can see the wasting getting worse daily.We are going to do an Xray of his lungs to see if there are any enlargedlymph nodes or tumors we are missing, something is going on that we aremissing. I feel there is cancer somewhere and we aren't finding it, every cat I have had or known with cancer had this muscle wasting happen.We were going to try leukeran, but my vet talked with Dr. Lappin DVM aFeLV expert and he said it won't do any good in his opinion, he said ourbest bet is to add anabolic steriods, which are hard to get because these are the steriods that athletes abuse. She is going to try and get some. She printed me out some information and it say's that some FeLV positives that are anemic and preleukemia can turn actively leukemic very quickly, in a matter of months or even weeks. This is one possibility of why even though the anemia seems to be turning around, Bailey is getting worse. If we find this is the case, I am going to ask to do chemo along with the steriods, I know the prognosis isn't good but the steriods will only take care of the muscle wasting and I want to attack the cancer if that is what we have also. The only way to determine if this has happened for a fact is to do another bone marrow aspirate but since it isn't going to change the way we treat we decided that was unnecessary, it isn't going to change what we do so I see no reason to put him through that again and neither does the vet.Lots of prayers, positive energy and anything else needed, thanks everyone.-- BelindaHappiness is being owned by cats ...Be-Mi-Kitties ...http://www.bemikitties.comPost Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittenshttp://adopt.bemikitties.comFeLV Candle Light Servicehttp://www.bemikitties.com/clsHostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design)http://HostDesign4U.com---BMK Designs (non-profit web sites)http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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Positive thoughts coming your way. =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, Travis, and 6 furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec Salome' =^..^= Furkid Photos! http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/My Personal Page: http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350 - Original Message - From: Belinda Sauro To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 2:56 AM Subject: Re: Bailey Update Hi All,Well Bailey's results today show all organ functions are normal, all bloodwork except amylase is normal (it is high but not high enough at this point to be concerned) and his HCT is up to 27%, getting close to normal, so even though his anemia is getting better he is not ... He is still physically deteriorating. His muscle mass is all but gone, he still sleeps 24/7, we did finally clear up the diarrhea, and he is a bit wobbly in the back end when he walks. I can see the wasting getting worse daily.We are going to do an Xray of his lungs to see if there are any enlargedlymph nodes or tumors we are missing, something is going on that we aremissing. I feel there is cancer somewhere and we aren't finding it, every cat I have had or known with cancer had this muscle wasting happen.We were going to try leukeran, but my vet talked with Dr. Lappin DVM aFeLV expert and he said it won't do any good in his opinion, he said ourbest bet is to add anabolic steriods, which are hard to get because these are the steriods that athletes abuse. She is going to try and get some. She printed me out some information and it say's that some FeLV positives that are anemic and preleukemia can turn actively leukemic very quickly, in a matter of months or even weeks. This is one possibility of why even though the anemia seems to be turning around, Bailey is getting worse. If we find this is the case, I am going to ask to do chemo along with the steriods, I know the prognosis isn't good but the steriods will only take care of the muscle wasting and I want to attack the cancer if that is what we have also. The only way to determine if this has happened for a fact is to do another bone marrow aspirate but since it isn't going to change the way we treat we decided that was unnecessary, it isn't going to change what we do so I see no reason to put him through that again and neither does the vet.Lots of prayers, positive energy and anything else needed, thanks everyone.-- BelindaHappiness is being owned by cats ..Be-Mi-Kitties ...http://www.bemikitties.comPost Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittenshttp://adopt.bemikitties.comFeLV Candle Light Servicehttp://www.bemikitties.com/clsHostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design)http://HostDesign4U.com---BMK Designs (non-profit web sites)http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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Bailey, it's great to hear that all of his organs are normal and even HCT is very good -- I know it's very frustrating to see him not doing well regardless of it --- Bailey has been and will be in my thoughts and prayers and I will be sending you a positive healing energy. Hideyo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Belinda Sauro Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 12:57 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Bailey Update Hi All, Well Bailey's results today show all organ functions are normal, all bloodwork except amylase is normal (it is high but not high enough at this point to be concerned) and his HCT is up to 27%, getting close to normal, so even though his anemia is getting better he is not ... He is still physically deteriorating. His muscle mass is all but gone, he still sleeps 24/7, we did finally clear up the diarrhea, and he is a bit wobbly in the back end when he walks. I can see the wasting getting worse daily. We are going to do an Xray of his lungs to see if there are any enlarged lymph nodes or tumors we are missing, something is going on that we are missing. I feel there is cancer somewhere and we aren't finding it, every cat I have had or known with cancer had this muscle wasting happen. We were going to try leukeran, but my vet talked with Dr. Lappin DVM a FeLV expert and he said it won't do any good in his opinion, he said our best bet is to add anabolic steriods, which are hard to get because these are the steriods that athletes abuse. She is going to try and get some. She printed me out some information and it say's that some FeLV positives that are anemic and preleukemia can turn actively leukemic very quickly, in a matter of months or even weeks. This is one possibility of why even though the anemia seems to be turning around, Bailey is getting worse. If we find this is the case, I am going to ask to do chemo along with the steriods, I know the prognosis isn't good but the steriods will only take care of the muscle wasting and I want to attack the cancer if that is what we have also. The only way to determine if this has happened for a fact is to do another bone marrow aspirate but since it isn't going to change the way we treat we decided that was unnecessary, it isn't going to change what we do so I see no reason to put him through that again and neither does the vet. Lots of prayers, positive energy and anything else needed, thanks everyone. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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Dear Belinda, sending prayers and positive healing thoughts for your sweet Bailey. I can't imagine the frustration and anguish you must be going through as you try to find the cause of his illness. I'm praying you have a breakthrough with the X-ray. love and hugs, Kerry - Original Message - From: Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 1:56 AM Subject: Re: Bailey Update Hi All, Well Bailey's results today show all organ functions are normal, all bloodwork except amylase is normal (it is high but not high enough at this point to be concerned) and his HCT is up to 27%, getting close to normal, so even though his anemia is getting better he is not ... He is still physically deteriorating. His muscle mass is all but gone, he still sleeps 24/7, we did finally clear up the diarrhea, and he is a bit wobbly in the back end when he walks. I can see the wasting getting worse daily. We are going to do an Xray of his lungs to see if there are any enlarged lymph nodes or tumors we are missing, something is going on that we are missing. I feel there is cancer somewhere and we aren't finding it, every cat I have had or known with cancer had this muscle wasting happen. We were going to try leukeran, but my vet talked with Dr. Lappin DVM a FeLV expert and he said it won't do any good in his opinion, he said our best bet is to add anabolic steriods, which are hard to get because these are the steriods that athletes abuse. She is going to try and get some. She printed me out some information and it say's that some FeLV positives that are anemic and preleukemia can turn actively leukemic very quickly, in a matter of months or even weeks. This is one possibility of why even though the anemia seems to be turning around, Bailey is getting worse. If we find this is the case, I am going to ask to do chemo along with the steriods, I know the prognosis isn't good but the steriods will only take care of the muscle wasting and I want to attack the cancer if that is what we have also. The only way to determine if this has happened for a fact is to do another bone marrow aspirate but since it isn't going to change the way we treat we decided that was unnecessary, it isn't going to change what we do so I see no reason to put him through that again and neither does the vet. Lots of prayers, positive energy and anything else needed, thanks everyone. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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Hi All, I want to thank everyone for your continued prayers and positive energy. Well the xray didn't clear anything up, no tumors or enlarged lymph nodes, his lungs are all clear. and all of the rest of his organs look good, so still a mystery ... I did get the anobolic steroids and will start those tomorrow, I want to be sure the vet is open just in case there is any kind of a reaction. I didn't get the CLS updated today, I'm sorry I will get it first thing for sure tomorrow. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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Belinda,Is the vet sure that the wasting of the muscle mass is not just due to the continued diarrhea and dehydration? It doesn't take a lot of that with a cat Even with the feeding tube it sounds like the food was just going in and going right outIs the diarrhea under control? If so for how long has he actually kept some food in him? I know how upsetting this is for both of you. I hope you find out what's going on, but I hope it's just keeping some food in him a little longer..tBelinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All,I want to thank everyone for your continued prayers and positive energy. Well the xray didn't clear anything up, no tumors or enlarged lymph nodes, his lungs are all clear. and all of the rest of his organs look good, so still a mystery ... I did get the anobolic steroids and will start those tomorrow, I want to be sure the vet is open just in case there is any kind of a reaction.I didn't get the CLS updated today, I'm sorry I will get it first thing for sure tomorrow.-- BelindaHappiness is being owned by cats ...Be-Mi-Kitties ...http://www.bemikitties.comPost Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittenshttp://adopt.bemikitties.comFeLV Candle Light Servicehttp://www.bemikitties.com/clsHostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design)http://HostDesign4U.com---BMK Designs (non-profit web sites)http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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Belinda, my Buddy's blood work was normal for a long time even though he was wasting and was tired all the time. Eventually he got anemic and his kidneys started failing. We never got a diagnosis, but I assumed lymphoma. The vet thought possibly dry form of FIP. Corticosteroids (dex, depo) helped him feel better for a few months, but did not stop the progression of the disease, whatever it was. I'm sorry. I hope that Bailey has something different and gets better soon. Buddy's anemia certainly never got any better, even from the steroids, so maybe it is something different. Though we did not start Epogen until pretty near the end. Michelle
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Belinda, Thinking of you and Bailey... I know this is a crazy idea, but what about some sort of intestinal parasites? Could affect Bailey's ability to absorb nutrients? Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Belinda Sauro Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 9:46 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Bailey Update Hi All, I want to thank everyone for your continued prayers and positive energy. Well the xray didn't clear anything up, no tumors or enlarged lymph nodes, his lungs are all clear. and all of the rest of his organs look good, so still a mystery ... I did get the anobolic steroids and will start those tomorrow, I want to be sure the vet is open just in case there is any kind of a reaction. I didn't get the CLS updated today, I'm sorry I will get it first thing for sure tomorrow. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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Praying the steroids help Bailey, and there's no adverse reaction for him. love, kerry - Original Message - From: Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 8:46 PM Subject: Re: Bailey Update Hi All, I want to thank everyone for your continued prayers and positive energy. Well the xray didn't clear anything up, no tumors or enlarged lymph nodes, his lungs are all clear. and all of the rest of his organs look good, so still a mystery ... I did get the anobolic steroids and will start those tomorrow, I want to be sure the vet is open just in case there is any kind of a reaction. I didn't get the CLS updated today, I'm sorry I will get it first thing for sure tomorrow. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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Hi Tonya All, He had diarrhea for 10 or 12 days, and I mean continuous diarrhea, it was ozzing out involuntarily whenever wherever. It has been under control since this last Thursday so for the last 5 days he hasn't had it. Since Friday he has lost 4 more ozs., and is getting bonier. She did say that the steady diarrhea could definately have something to do with it, but if you could see the difference in just the last wek you would know why I feel something else is going on. His last bloodwork is better, that what's so puzzling. He isn't dehydrated, I've been giving him fluids every other day and each time we have gone to the vets, she said he is not dehydrated. His blood pressure came up to normal (120), it was at 80, so we just don't get it. She did say this is her first case of this type of anemia and she really doesn't know what to expect as far as symptoms and progression. She has a call into Greg Ogilvie DVM, he is an oncologist and leukemia related diseases specialist. He is out of town and should be back tomorrow so hopefully he will have some answers. She said from all she has read about this, it is usually seen in younger cats (2 to 4 yrs old, and usually in cats that were either born with the virus or got it shortly thereafter), so she is really surprised that Bailey has this type of anemia. Bailey was positive at 5 months of age so he was young when he was diagnosed and for all I know he may have been born with it he was a stray that showed up at the Walmart I was working at. I know we have been very lucky for 10 years but I'm greedy and want more ... The bad thing is most chemos are not a good idea because of the fact that his bone marrow is already sick and chemos will make that worse, not to mention that chemo just hasn't been shown to be very effective with this type of leukemia, but she said there is a new chemo being tried for this that is in the trail stages and she is going to ask Dr Ogilvie about that too. I told her we have nothing to lose and at this point I am willing to try anything. We all know the out come here and if there is anything that may give us a fighting chance I'm all for trying it!! What's strange too is there were no actual leukemia cells found, just preleukemia cells. She did find some info though that say's some cats can convert to active leukemia in a matter of months or even weeks, and that is a possibility. Another bone marrow aspirate would confirm that but I don't see any reason to do that since we would continue with the same treatment course either way. I got the winstrol (antolobic steroid) tonight and will start it tomorrow, I sure hope it helps. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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Is it too soon to start putting in some (just a bit) of a/d of nutrical or something more substantial? Or is the doctor afraid it will start the diarrhea back..I am just throwing out ideas. I have no clue. But if the bloodwork is good there is hope. I hope you get the steroids going soon. tBelinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Tonya All,He had diarrhea for 10 or 12 days, and I mean continuous diarrhea, it was ozzing out involuntarily whenever wherever. It has been under control since this last Thursday so for the last 5 days he hasn't had it. Since Friday he has lost 4 more ozs., and is getting bonier. She did say that the steady diarrhea could definately have something to do with it, but if you could see the difference in just the last wek you would know why I feel something else is going on. His last bloodwork is better, that what's so puzzling. He isn't dehydrated, I've been giving him fluids every other day and each time we have gone to the vets, she said he is not dehydrated. His blood pressure came up to normal (120), it was at 80, so we just don't get it. She did say this is her first case of this type of anemia and she really doesn't know what to expect as far as symptoms and progression.She has a call into Greg Ogilvie DVM, he is an oncologist and leukemia related diseases specialist. He is out of town and should be back tomorrow so hopefully he will have some answers. She said from all she has read about this, it is usually seen in younger cats (2 to 4 yrs old, and usually in cats that were either born with the virus or got it shortly thereafter), so she is really surprised that Bailey has this type of anemia. Bailey was positive at 5 months of age so he was young when he was diagnosed and for all I know he may have been born with it he was a stray that showed up at the Walmart I was working at. I know we have been very lucky for 10 years but I'm greedy and want more ...The bad thing is most chemos are not a good idea because of the fact that his bone marrow is already sick and chemos will make that worse, not to mention that chemo just hasn't been shown to be very effective with this type of leukemia, but she said there is a new chemo being tried for this that is in the trail stages and she is going to ask Dr Ogilvie about that too. I told her we have nothing to lose and at this point I am willing to try anything. We all know the out come here and if there is anything that may give us a fighting chance I'm all for trying it!!What's strange too is there were no actual leukemia cells found, just preleukemia cells. She did find some info though that say's some cats can convert to active leukemia in a matter of months or even weeks, and that is a possibility. Another bone marrow aspirate would confirm that but I don't see any reason to do that since we would continue with the same treatment course either way.I got the winstrol (antolobic steroid) tonight and will start it tomorrow, I sure hope it helps.-- BelindaHappiness is being owned by cats ...Be-Mi-Kitties ...http://www.bemikitties.comPost Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittenshttp://adopt.bemikitties.comFeLV Candle Light Servicehttp://www.bemikitties.com/clsHostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design)http://HostDesign4U.com---BMK Designs (non-profit web sites)http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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Chris, Will mention this to my vet. --- some sort of intestinal parasites -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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Hi All, Well Bailey's results today show all organ functions are normal, all bloodwork except amylase is normal (it is high but not high enough at this point to be concerned) and his HCT is up to 27%, getting close to normal, so even though his anemia is getting better he is not ... He is still physically deteriorating. His muscle mass is all but gone, he still sleeps 24/7, we did finally clear up the diarrhea, and he is a bit wobbly in the back end when he walks. I can see the wasting getting worse daily. We are going to do an Xray of his lungs to see if there are any enlarged lymph nodes or tumors we are missing, something is going on that we are missing. I feel there is cancer somewhere and we aren't finding it, every cat I have had or known with cancer had this muscle wasting happen. We were going to try leukeran, but my vet talked with Dr. Lappin DVM a FeLV expert and he said it won't do any good in his opinion, he said our best bet is to add anabolic steriods, which are hard to get because these are the steriods that athletes abuse. She is going to try and get some. She printed me out some information and it say's that some FeLV positives that are anemic and preleukemia can turn actively leukemic very quickly, in a matter of months or even weeks. This is one possibility of why even though the anemia seems to be turning around, Bailey is getting worse. If we find this is the case, I am going to ask to do chemo along with the steriods, I know the prognosis isn't good but the steriods will only take care of the muscle wasting and I want to attack the cancer if that is what we have also. The only way to determine if this has happened for a fact is to do another bone marrow aspirate but since it isn't going to change the way we treat we decided that was unnecessary, it isn't going to change what we do so I see no reason to put him through that again and neither does the vet. Lots of prayers, positive energy and anything else needed, thanks everyone. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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What are you feeding him? When I tube fed it was a/d which is very rich. Any way you can 'bland down' his diet?What about kaopectate or something for the diarrhea. Maybe ask vet about something like that?Thinking of you both. tBelinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bailey is not doing very good, he is getting 200ccs of food a day but is still wasting away. He is still getting epo 3X a week, and 20mg of prednisolone split into 10mgs twice a day. His diarrhea is for the most part gone, although he did just tonight have a mixture of a solid and runny bowel movement. He is sooo bony and his muscle is all but gone on him, he is wasting away and I am starting to think there is cancer somewhere that we haven't found. He has that cancer look (wasting away). He potties wherever he wants and still just lays around. I'm really worried about him, he seems so depressed. We are suppose to do bloodwork in a week but I don't know that I want to wait that long. Our last option is to add leukeran to the prednisolone he is getting.He will be laying somewhere and when he gets up there is usually a little poop there, so it is still coming out of him involuntarily, he doesn't seem to have any control over it sometimes. Anyone know what may be causing this???Prayers are really needed, my baby is slipping away from me and I don't know what to do ...--Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ...Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.comPost Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.comFeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/clsHostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com---BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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Hi Tonya, Yes I have changed his diet to ID it is for sensitive tummies and so far so good, no diarrhea since Thursday night. Now if his bottom will heal and he wouls perk up a bit. We went to the vet and they couldn't get any blood from his legs, so they had to use his jugular. My vet said he is pretty strong still for a kitty so weak at home. I will have the results tomorrow sometime and of course I'm hoping it will be good news. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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Belinda, I know it may sound stupid but what about A D cream (NOT ointment) for his bottom... Works on little babies-- Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Belinda Sauro Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 9:02 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Bailey Update Hi Tonya, Yes I have changed his diet to ID it is for sensitive tummies and so far so good, no diarrhea since Thursday night. Now if his bottom will heal and he wouls perk up a bit. We went to the vet and they couldn't get any blood from his legs, so they had to use his jugular. My vet said he is pretty strong still for a kitty so weak at home. I will have the results tomorrow sometime and of course I'm hoping it will be good news. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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Actually a veterinary oncologist told us to use that on our dog Nubi when she was raw from diarrhea and anal gland tumors, and it did help. Michelle In a message dated 2/4/2006 10:29:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Belinda,I know it may sound stupid but what about A D cream (NOT ointment) for hisbottom... Works on little babies--
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Just use the Cream, not the ointmentthe ointment seems to have other things in it and doesnt work quite as well. Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 10:35 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Bailey Update Actually a veterinary oncologist told us to use that on our dog Nubi when she was raw from diarrhea and anal gland tumors, and it did help. Michelle In a message dated 2/4/2006 10:29:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Belinda, I know it may sound stupid but what about A D cream (NOT ointment) for his bottom... Works on little babies--
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I'm assuming ID has rice in it already. Rice is the only thing I can think of when it comes to 'bland' food for diarrhea purposes. Maybe ask the vet about mushing up more rice and mixing with the ID to make it blander till the diarrhea stops?I'm making wildguesses here. I really have no clue. Also I don't know about what you're using for his bottom, but I think vaseline is the easiest on them. I know my sister's baby acts like desitin stings..Is he drinking on his own? through the tube? on fluids? Fluids might help perk him up with the electrolytes.Are you 'watering down' the ID for tube feeding? Maybe mix that with pedialyte for the electrolytes, etc...instead of regular water.Could be easier on his stomach and help perk him up?Again. no clue just the only ideas I can come up with.Take care both of you. Fingers crossed on that bloodwork! tBelinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Tonya,Yes I have changed his diet to ID it is for sensitive tummies and so far so good, no diarrhea since Thursday night. Now if his bottom will heal and he wouls perk up a bit. We went to the vet and they couldn't get any blood from his legs, so they had to use his jugular. My vet said he is pretty strong still for a kitty so weak at home. I will have the results tomorrow sometime and of course I'm hoping it will be good news. -- BelindaHappiness is being owned by cats ...Be-Mi-Kitties ...http://www.bemikitties.comPost Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittenshttp://adopt.bemikitties.comFeLV Candle Light Servicehttp://www.bemikitties.com/clsHostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design)http://HostDesign4U.com---BMK Designs (non-profit web sites)http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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I would just think an ointment would work better than a cream. The ointment is what blocks the diarrhea from getting to the skin to irritate it more. Cream is not 'waterproof' as such.Also, I don't know what you're washing him with when he has these accidents, but I would use NO soap at all. I would also NOT use paper towels or tissue. I would use only warm wash cloths, preferably with some of the 'cream' stuff to use as the cleaner. OR, if you can find a baby wipe with NO soap, perfume, etc that's exceptionally soft. The more you use soap, wipe, etc... the worse it is going to get, but you can't NOT clean it because that irritates it too But, once you can get it stopped, that pain should heal up very quickly. That's the key. I would ask about the kaopectate. I've used it in the past. I know they've changed the formula and it's not used as much now, but I would at least ask.Just myexperience from prep for a colonoscopy to find out why I was anemic. lol. If anyone ever has to go through this do NOT use Scott tissue. Go get some of the softest tissue you can find.And by the way... I'm anemic due to lack of iron.. after all that!t[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Actually a veterinary oncologist told us to use that on our dog Nubi when she was raw from diarrhea and anal gland tumors, and it did help. MichelleIn a message dated 2/4/2006 10:29:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Belinda,I know it may sound stupid but what about A D cream (NOT ointment) for hisbottom... Works on little babies--
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Belinda I am sending prayers to you and Bailey,I hate to say it but it sounds like he is ready to be at peace,you have done so much for that wonderful guy.he is lucky to have you. SherryBelinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bailey is not doing very good, he is getting 200ccs of food a day but is still wasting away. He is still getting epo 3X a week, and 20mg of prednisolone split into 10mgs twice a day. His diarrhea is for the most part gone, although he did just tonight have a mixture of a solid and runny bowel movement. He is sooo bony and his muscle is all but gone on him, he is wasting away and I am starting to think there is cancer somewhere that we haven't found. He has that cancer look (wasting away). He potties wherever he wants and still just lays around. I'm really worried about him, he seems so depressed. We are suppose to do bloodwork in a week but I don't know that I want to wait that long. Our last option is to add leukeran to the prednisolone he is getting.He will be laying somewhere and when he gets up there is usually a little poop there, so it is still coming out of him involuntarily, he doesn't seem to have any control over it sometimes. Anyone know what may be causing this???Prayers are really needed, my baby is slipping away from me and I don't know what to do ...--Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ...Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.comPost Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.comFeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/clsHostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com---BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses!
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Dear Belinda, I am sitting here trying to hold back a deluge of tears as am reading about your sweet, loving Bailey'sdecline in condition. We have never met, but after being onthis sweet loving. caring list forso long. you and Bailey, seem to be the inspiration hope fort fomany guardians that are "fighting this fight". True inspiratiom you have taught, "Never say never". I have gained so much knowledge perspectiveabout this fateful, tragic disease. My entire whole perspective on this god-awful virus has changed drastically. I know DO have hope that some day we will find a cure...Due to dedication perseverance with heartftelt thanks to Bailey and you, and the countless others who have also went head on into battle with this disease, because of the undying love for their furchildren, I WILL continue tofight and pray for bothBailey and you..The battle continues, but I pray for a peacedul ending.The toll it has taken, both spiritually emotionally is just incredible. I pray for the peace you both deserve so much.. I pray the Higher Power that be, will be able to realize that your Darling Bailey and you have put up the hardest most sincere battle, and you BOTH need your rest, in whatever form it is granted. Belinda, I struggle as I write you this e-mail. It is ALL coming directly from my (breaking) heart I have ALWAYS believed in miracles and eternal life All bodies are simply vessels for our souls during their time on this earth The vessel may perish, but the soul is ETERNAL. Belinda, I will continue my prayersefor both you and Bailey. With such a "special"bond, perhaps this will be a "TRUE" miracle. Just be aware, mo matter what the outcome may be, Bailey will always be with you, eternally. The soul will show itself to you time and time again, "when" the timing is right. ad least expected.. This has been difficult to express, but words thoughts I had to express. Due to my love admiration, for Bailey and you. A very deep meaningful relationship... Godspeed... With my heatfelt thanks to be "includedon Bailey's journey, and the precious gift of your widsom frienship. BOTH irreplaceable gifts. With ALL my love, Patti P.S, ~"Never say never". and always continue to believe in miracles.
Re: Bailey Update
aw, belinda, i'm sorry--have you asked him what he wants to do? tho you will never be ready for him to go, perhaps he is... hardest thing i ever have to do is give them permission to continue their journey wherever it takes them, and assure them that they don't need to stayto take care of me... (usually, they send me another cat to do that for them!) On 2/3/06, Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bailey is not doing very good, he is getting 200ccs of food a day but is still wasting away. He is still getting epo 3X a week, and 20mg of prednisolone split into 10mgs twice a day. His diarrhea is for the most part gone, although he did just tonight have a mixture of a solid and runny bowel movement. He is sooo bony and his muscle is all but gone on him, he is wasting away and I am starting to think there is cancer somewhere that we haven't found. He has that cancer look (wasting away). He potties wherever he wants and still just lays around. I'm really worried about him, he seems so depressed. We are suppose to do bloodwork in a week but I don't know that I want to wait that long. Our last option is to add leukeran to the prednisolone he is getting. He will be laying somewhere and when he gets up there is usually a little poop there, so it is still coming out of him involuntarily, he doesn't seem to have any control over it sometimes. Anyone know what may be causing this??? Prayers are really needed, my baby is slipping away from me and I don't know what to do ...-- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com-- MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892
Re: Bailey Update
Belinda, lots and lots of prayers coming from me and my gang to you and Bailey. It always hurts so much to see our babies seem to be slipping away and have that helpless feeling of not knowing what we can do. Give Bailey a hug from us.Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bailey is not doing very good, he is getting 200ccs of food a day but is still wasting away. He is still getting epo 3X a week, and 20mg of prednisolone split into 10mgs twice a day. His diarrhea is for the most part gone, although he did just tonight have a mixture of a solid and runny bowel movement. He is sooo bony and his muscle is all but gone on him, he is wasting away and I am starting to think there is cancer somewhere that we haven't found. He has that cancer look (wasting away). He potties wherever he wants and still just lays around. I'm really worried about him, he seems so depressed. We are suppose to do bloodwork in a week but I don't know that I want to wait that long. Our last option is to add leukeran to the prednisolone he is getting.He will be laying somewhere and when he gets up there is usually a little poop there, so it is still coming out of him involuntarily, he doesn't seem to have any control over it sometimes. Anyone know what may be causing this???Prayers are really needed, my baby is slipping away from me and I don't know what to do ...--Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ...Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.comPost Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.comFeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/clsHostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com---BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Bailey Update
Prayers for you and your Bailey. Del - Original Message - From: Belinda Sauro To: FeLV Talk List [New] Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 11:51 PM Subject: Bailey Update Bailey is not doing very good, he is getting 200ccs of food a day but is still wasting away. He is still getting epo 3X a week, and 20mg of prednisolone split into 10mgs twice a day. His diarrhea is for the most part gone, although he did just tonight have a mixture of a solid and runny bowel movement. He is sooo bony and his muscle is all but gone on him, he is wasting away and I am starting to think there is cancer somewhere that we haven't found. He has that cancer look (wasting away). He potties wherever he wants and still just lays around. I'm really worried about him, he seems so depressed. We are suppose to do bloodwork in a week but I don't know that I want to wait that long. Our last option is to add leukeran to the prednisolone he is getting.He will be laying somewhere and when he gets up there is usually a little poop there, so it is still coming out of him involuntarily, he doesn't seem to have any control over it sometimes. Anyone know what may be causing this???Prayers are really needed, my baby is slipping away from me and I don't know what to do ...-- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Bailey Update
Oh, Belinda...my heart is breaking all over again! :( Could Baily have cancer in his bowels? I'm no vet, but Ewok's situation is fresh on my mind...I will certainly keep you two in my thoughts... Jen But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, February 2, 2006 11:51 pm Subject: Bailey Update Bailey is not doing very good, he is getting 200ccs of food a day but is still wasting away. He is still getting epo 3X a week, and 20mg of prednisolone split into 10mgs twice a day. His diarrhea is for the most part gone, although he did just tonight have a mixture of a solid and runny bowel movement. He is sooo bony and his muscle is all but gone on him, he is wasting away and I am starting to think there is cancer somewhere that we haven't found. He has that cancer look (wasting away). He potties wherever he wants and still just lays around. I'm really worried about him, he seems so depressed. We are suppose to do bloodwork in a week but I don't know that I want to wait that long. Our last option is to add leukeran to the prednisolone he is getting. He will be laying somewhere and when he gets up there is usually a little poop there, so it is still coming out of him involuntarily, he doesn't seem to have any control over it sometimes. Anyone know what may be causing this??? Prayers are really needed, my baby is slipping away from me and I don't know what to do ... -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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Oh Belinda, it doesn't sound good. It doesn't sound like he's responding to the meds and 20mg of Pred seems like so much! Do you have high hopes for the leukeran? I don't know girl, I hate to think it, I know how much you want him to get better, but I know first hand from seeing Gypsy in the condition you describe just how horrendous it is. What do his eyes tell you when you ask him if he wants to keep fighting? My prayers and tears are with you. You're his Mommy, I know how much you love him, whatever you decide, I'm sure it will be the right decision for the two of you. Blessings and love to you both, Nina Belinda Sauro wrote: Bailey is not doing very good, he is getting 200ccs of food a day but is still wasting away. He is still getting epo 3X a week, and 20mg of prednisolone split into 10mgs twice a day. His diarrhea is for the most part gone, although he did just tonight have a mixture of a solid and runny bowel movement. He is sooo bony and his muscle is all but gone on him, he is wasting away and I am starting to think there is cancer somewhere that we haven't found. He has that cancer look (wasting away). He potties wherever he wants and still just lays around. I'm really worried about him, he seems so depressed. We are suppose to do bloodwork in a week but I don't know that I want to wait that long. Our last option is to add leukeran to the prednisolone he is getting. He will be laying somewhere and when he gets up there is usually a little poop there, so it is still coming out of him involuntarily, he doesn't seem to have any control over it sometimes. Anyone know what may be causing this??? Prayers are really needed, my baby is slipping away from me and I don't know what to do ... -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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Belinda I know how you are feeling...I have been reading your posts about Bailey over the past few weeks and thinking how close they were to my OJ I have been hoping for a miracle for our kitties and I am still hoping for Bailey...And hoping that someday we will find the key to beat this thing... Tad Nina wrote: Oh Belinda, it doesn't sound good. It doesn't sound like he's responding to the meds and 20mg of Pred seems like so much! Do you have high hopes for the leukeran? I don't know girl, I hate to think it, I know how much you want him to get better, but I know first hand from seeing Gypsy in the condition you describe just how horrendous it is. What do his eyes tell you when you ask him if he wants to keep fighting? My prayers and tears are with you. You're his Mommy, I know how much you love him, whatever you decide, I'm sure it will be the right decision for the two of you. Blessings and love to you both, Nina Belinda Sauro wrote: Bailey is not doing very good, he is getting 200ccs of food a day but is still wasting away. He is still getting epo 3X a week, and 20mg of prednisolone split into 10mgs twice a day. His diarrhea is for the most part gone, although he did just tonight have a mixture of a solid and runny bowel movement. He is sooo bony and his muscle is all but gone on him, he is wasting away and I am starting to think there is cancer somewhere that we haven't found. He has that cancer look (wasting away). He potties wherever he wants and still just lays around. I'm really worried about him, he seems so depressed. We are suppose to do bloodwork in a week but I don't know that I want to wait that long. Our last option is to add leukeran to the prednisolone he is getting. He will be laying somewhere and when he gets up there is usually a little poop there, so it is still coming out of him involuntarily, he doesn't seem to have any control over it sometimes. Anyone know what may be causing this??? Prayers are really needed, my baby is slipping away from me and I don't know what to do ... -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Bailey Update
God, Belinda, I am so sorry to hear this. I have thought about him often. It does sound like there is cancer somewhere in him. Lymphoma can be hard to find, though. They can do a full-body x-ray, or they can try the first drug in the chemo series (starts with an E and is a shot with no side effects, just kills lymphoma, can't remember the name of it) to see if he responds to it. You might ask about trying that. I think at this point I might try giving him a dex/depo combination shot. I thought it was wise not to do such strong steroids when he seemed to be responding to the Epogen and other drugs and was given a 6 months+ prognosis. But he does not sound well. I think that I would try either the chemo drug I referenced above (it really does not do anything but kill lymphoma-- it is specfic to the lymphoma cells) and/or a combo shot of 1/2 cc dex and 1/2 cc depo and see if they help. Those steroids help them feel better with a lot of conditions, but if it is lymphoma the steroids will also shrink it for a while. Mostly, though, I would just do it to make him feel better. I am so sorry that he and you are going through this. Michelle In a message dated 2/3/2006 12:51:33 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Bailey is not doing very good, he is getting 200ccs of food a day but is still wasting away. He is still getting epo 3X a week, and 20mg of prednisolone split into 10mgs twice a day. His diarrhea is for the most part gone, although he did just tonight have a mixture of a solid and runny bowel movement. He is sooo bony and his muscle is all but gone on him, he is wasting away and I am starting to think there is cancer somewhere that we haven't found. He has that cancer look (wasting away). He potties wherever he wants and still just lays around. I'm really worried about him, he seems so depressed. We are suppose to do bloodwork in a week but I don't know that I want to wait that long. Our last option is to add leukeran to the prednisolone he is getting.He will be laying somewhere and when he gets up there is usually a little poop there, so it is still coming out of him involuntarily, he doesn't seem to have any control over it sometimes. Anyone know what may be causing this???Prayers are really needed, my baby is slipping away from me and I don't know what to do ...-- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ...
Re: Bailey Update/Belinda
Belinda, Poor Bailey.I'm so sorry he isn't getting better and fading away before your eyes. My heart goes all out to him and you. He will be in my thoughts and prayers. I know it is hard on you. If his time is near at least you will be with him. It sounds like he is barely hanging on. You have been a wonderful Mom to him. He has been a poster furbaby for this group. I have read over the course of time about him since I joined back in 2000 I think. I send a bunch of hugs and headpats to him. I will light a candle for him and send a prayer to him. In a message dated 2/2/2006 9:51:33 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Prayers are really needed, my baby is slipping away from me and I don't know what to do ...-- Belinda Terrie MohrTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE COLLIE RESCUEOwner/DriverCheck sites for available Siameses for adoption!http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/Click Here to Join WASHINGTON SIAMESE RESCUE Yahoo Group!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlPetfinder.comAdopt a Homeless Pet!http://www.petfinder.com/http://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.petloss.com/TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTShttps://www.paypal.com/http://www.frappr.com/wasiameserescue
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Ditto. =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, Travis, and 6 furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec Salome' =^..^= Furkid Photos! http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/My Personal Page: http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350 - Original Message - From: Del H. Daniels To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 10:18 AM Subject: Re: Bailey Update Prayers for you and your Bailey. Del - Original Message - From: Belinda Sauro To: FeLV Talk List [New] Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 11:51 PM Subject: Bailey Update Bailey is not doing very good, he is getting 200ccs of food a day but is still wasting away. He is still getting epo 3X a week, and 20mg of prednisolone split into 10mgs twice a day. His diarrhea is for the most part gone, although he did just tonight have a mixture of a solid and runny bowel movement. He is sooo bony and his muscle is all but gone on him, he is wasting away and I am starting to think there is cancer somewhere that we haven't found. He has that cancer look (wasting away). He potties wherever he wants and still just lays around. I'm really worried about him, he seems so depressed. We are suppose to do bloodwork in a week but I don't know that I want to wait that long. Our last option is to add leukeran to the prednisolone he is getting.He will be laying somewhere and when he gets up there is usually a little poop there, so it is still coming out of him involuntarily, he doesn't seem to have any control over it sometimes. Anyone know what may be causing this???Prayers are really needed, my baby is slipping away from me and I don't know what to do ...-- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
RE: Bailey Update
Belinda, I havent posted very much lately but I just want to tell you that your story about Bailey really gave me inspiration. Wish I were knowledgeable enough to help more but I know that the great people here will help you with that. But my thoughts are with you Bailey Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Belinda Sauro Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 12:51 AM To: FeLV Talk List [New] Subject: Bailey Update Bailey is not doing very good, he is getting 200ccs of food a day but is still wasting away. He is still getting epo 3X a week, and 20mg of prednisolone split into 10mgs twice a day. His diarrhea is for the most part gone, although he did just tonight have a mixture of a solid and runny bowel movement. He is sooo bony and his muscle is all but gone on him, he is wasting away and I am starting to think there is cancer somewhere that we haven't found. He has that cancer look (wasting away). He potties wherever he wants and still just lays around. I'm really worried about him, he seems so depressed. We are suppose to do bloodwork in a week but I don't know that I want to wait that long. Our last option is to add leukeran to the prednisolone he is getting. He will be laying somewhere and when he gets up there is usually a little poop there, so it is still coming out of him involuntarily, he doesn't seem to have any control over it sometimes. Anyone know what may be causing this??? Prayers are really needed, my baby is slipping away from me and I don't know what to do ... -- BelindaHappiness is being owned by cats ...Be-Mi-Kitties ...http://www.bemikitties.comPost Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittenshttp://adopt.bemikitties.comFeLV Candle Light Servicehttp://www.bemikitties.com/clsHostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design)http://HostDesign4U.com---BMK Designs (non-profit web sites)http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Bailey Update - pathologist report
Yes. Combo shots of dex and depo. Depo is long-term and sort of instead of pred, can last about a month. I am not sure I would even ask about Depo though at this point. If he is improving on low doses of pred I think I would try the higher doses. The thing about Depo is that it stays in the system so long, if there is a bad reaction of any sort there is nothing you can do until it plays itself out. There are not usually any bad reactions short-term (a few months, 6 months, whatever) but longer term it can cause diabetes, etc. If bailey has the potential to be here longer, I would try the pred for now. I would try dex before depo because, while initially much stronger, it is out of the system in 24 hours. Michelle In a message dated 1/24/2006 1:47:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michelle, I asked her about the wrong thing I meant to ask her about depo, wasn't that the other thing that you used that helped Simon?
Re: Bailey Update - pathologist report
Michelle, Yes I think I will stick with the pred for now, something is working and I don't want to upset the apple cart. His bottom is looking a bit better, but now Joey has the runs too (he sneaks the AD while I'm getting Bailey's food ready, it's probably pretty rich for him). Bailey is still pretty much laying around all day but he is not hiding under or behind things and is moving around more than he has in the last two or three weeks. :) -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Bailey - Update
Belinda, I am so happy to hear the great news that Bailey's HCT is up! How wonderful! And he's getting plenty of nourishment too! I understand you are worried about the diarrhea. Hopefully, that will get under control soon, and he can start feeling like his old self again! I will pray that the diarrhea stops asap! :) Wendy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Bailey update - pathologist report
Hi Belinda, It does sound like a good report for Bailey..I just wanted you to know what Bandy's cytology report said...I don't think I have ever posted it here. Cytologic Diagnosis: Severe erythroid hypoplasia with normal myeloid maturation; megakaryocytes present with normal maturation... I still haven't understood all of this, and I need to go post it at the anemia group as those people really seem to know alot about all of this... One other thing the oncologist said was that kitties with Felv frequently develope severe anemias with no evidence of regeneration..and she was surprised that his PCV was as high as it was or is.. but that the marrow suppression is often worsened by co-infection with FIV..She advised at that time for us to discontinue epogen injections because of delayed anemia due to antibodies of the human recombinant epogen that cross react with feline erythropoietin. It is reversible when epogen is stopped if caught early enough...That is really all I know as we were staying off epogen for now until his PCV goes back down to around 20..So far it has been good, but I am not sure why.. I think Bandy was on epogen around 5 to 6 wks...His PCV went from around 20 to 38 then dropped to 23 when we saw the specialist...but has since gone up again without the epogen..He was on 5 mg of pred daily for a few weeks and now I just give him .75mg of dex when his temp goes up...and no other steroids at this point... Now that you have said that about the pred, I am wondering if I shouldn't start Bandy on pred again..He goes for blood work again the first of Feb...I will discuss it for sure with his vet.. I also had a kitty with a tumor on her tongue that was on 20mg. of pred daily for 3yrs...She had a great appetite but her skin did get rather thin after all that pred..The pred kept the inflammation down enough that she could eat and not get choked... Anyway, good luck with Bailey and hope you get his bottom cleared up... You are in our thoughts, Kerry and Bandy Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever.
Re: Bailey Update - pathologist report
Hi Belinda, I read the pathologist report you posted, but didn't understand what it meant. Can you explain what it means in layman's terms? Thanks so much! Wendy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Bailey Update - pathologist report - Wendy
Wendy, This is what the pathologist actually wrote on the bone marrow report, the other is wha Michele found while looking up preleukemia, a term my vet had not heard before or knew what the pathologist meant by it, that's why she needed to talk with him: Description: the slides are cellular with many megakaryocytes seen. The erythyroid and myloid series are present and complete, however the erythyroid series reveals bot h a shift to rubricytic forms and megaloblastic rubricytes seen. m:E ratio is - 1:2 9200 cell count). Blast cells are 10% Diagnosis: BONE MARROW CYTOLOGY REVEALS APPARENT INEFFECTIVE ERYTHROPOESIS WITH MEGOBLASTIC CHANGES RESULTS ARE COCNSISTENT WITH UNDERLYING MYELODYSPLASTIC SYNDROME (PRELEUKEMIA) Comment: there is no evidence of of overt luekemia or neoplastic infiltration. --- In a nutshell he told her the FeLV virus is replicating in the bone marrow and is hindering enough of the red blood cells from maturing. The treatment according to my vet and the pathologist is high doses of prednisolone which interfers with the viruses replication. If we're lucky it will put the virus into remission again for 6 months to a year according to the pathologist. In some cases when the pred isn't doing a good enough job on it's own, leukeran (also known as chlorambucil a chemo drug) is adde also, it is a pill given at home. Of course being a firm believer in miracles we are aiming for a much longer remission -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Bailey Update - pathologist report - Wendy
Belinda, Thanks for taking the time to explain Bailey's condition to me. I guess the pathology report is not what you wanted to hear, but better than it could have been, right? Belinda, I am a firm believer in miracles too, and will be praying for little Bailey. Hugs, Wendy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Bailey update - pathologist report
Hi Kerry, It looks like in Bandy's case his bone marrow is still producing a health amount of mature red cells [[normal myeloid maturation; megakaryocytes present with normal maturation]], whereas Bailey's is tyring to produce them but the virus is interfering with them maturing and being sent out to be used. Similar problems but alittle different. Though they are both having difficulties, Bandy seems to be a little better off right now, and hopefully Bailey will be shortly once we get the correct treatment started!! -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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Now we just need to get his bottom healed up and get him feeling better so my little happy cat will shine again! Belinda, Prayers for Bailey's remission kicking in quickly. I just wanted to let you know that aloe gel really helped Gypsy's sore bottom when it was in the same condition as Baileys, (ouch!). You want to make sure and get the pure aloe without additives in case Bailey feels well enough to clean himself up and ingests some. Nina
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Belinda,I don't know anything from the test results you sent, but it sounds like you have a plan, and know what you're dealing with now. Good luckand head butts to Bailey.t[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Yes. Combo shots of dex and depo. Depo is long-term and sort of instead of pred, can last about a month. I am not sure I would even ask about Depo though at this point. If he is improving on low doses of pred I think I would try the higher doses. The thing about Depo is that it stays in the system so long, if there is a bad reaction of any sort there is nothing you can do until it plays itself out. There are not usually any bad reactions short-term (a few months, 6 months, whatever) but longer term it can cause diabetes, etc. If bailey has the potential to be here longer, I would try the pred for now. I would try dex before depo because, while initially much stronger, it is out of the system in 24 hours. MichelleIn a message dated 1/24/2006 1:47:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michelle, I asked her about the wrong thing I meant to ask her about depo, wasn't that the other thing that you used that helped Simon?
Re: Bailey - Update
There are a number of probiotics available in health food stores and lactinex (sorry about the spelling but it is close) is available in a lot of pharmacies that will help until your order gets in. As the pharmacist. Mine likes critters and will do what she can to help. If you can find FastTrack it will help. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FeLV Talk List [New] felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 4:50 PM Subject: Bailey - Update Hi All, I just took Bailey in to the vet because his bottom is so sore, inflamed, red and poop oozing out (sorry to be so graphic), we are taking him off the clindamycine and she wanted me to take him off the doxy but I'm not going to. I am going to give him a break from all the supps except pet tinic and metamucil. She gave me something called gastriplex to help replace the good bacteria the antibiotics are killing off and he is going back on azithromycin as of tomorrow, had to order it. I have been praying for a miracle all weekend, asking my guides, angels, parents, everyone to help Bailey feel better and help with the anemia. Somebody is listening, his HCT is up to 23% from 15%, he has been on the epogen for three weeks and it actually went down from 18% to 15% before it started coming up. My vet feels it is an accuarate reading (she said dehydration can cause an inaccurate number but because his protein also went down from 7.2 to 6.4 he is not dehydrated). We still have not heard from the pathologist, but she said she is going to bug them until she hears something. Bailey is still lethargic but I attribute that to his bottom being so sore and the diarrhea, he probably just doesn't feel too good, but thankfully things are going in the right direction. He is getting plently of food and weighted 8lbs 12oz on her scale, a gain from 8lbs 6oz on mine yesterday, not sure how accurate that is, her scale is usually 1 oz more than mine, but he is not losing! I was totally prepared for her to tell me he needed a transfusion. So I feel much better now than I did a few hours ago :) -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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Oh my God, Belinda, that is so amazing about his HCT! Knock on wood! So, so amazing! Please keep us updated! Slippery elm sometimes helps with diarrhea too, and is good for nausea as well. Michelle In a message dated 1/23/2006 5:50:26 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have been praying for a miracle all weekend, asking my guides, angels, parents, everyone to help Bailey feel better and help with the anemia. Somebody is listening, his HCT is up to 23% from 15%, he has been on the epogen for three weeks and it actually went down from 18% to 15% before it started coming up. My vet feels it is an accuarate reading (she said dehydration can cause an inaccurate number but because his protein also went down from 7.2 to 6.4 he is not dehydrated).
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Actually, Simon only ate yogurt once and then decided he didn't like it. What he was crazy for was sour cream, but that does not have the probiotics in it that help diarrhea the way yogurt does. It also depends, though, how Bailey does with milk products-- when Lucy first got loose stools in October after being on Baytril so long, my vet told me to give her yogurt, which I did, and her stools got looser. I eventually figured out, through other observations, that she is lactose intolerant. I ordered her some raw food, the only premade raw I could find that does not have grains, which does have some cottage cheese in it, and I am worried about that. So yogurt might help bailey but it could also make the diarrhea worse... Michelle In a message dated 1/23/2006 6:53:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michelle's Simon ate yogurt when he was very ill. I wouldn't NOT give the supplement, but I might try a little plain yogurt.
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OK. Nix the yogurt then. I was thinking that's what Simon was eating when he was so sick. I know I always eat it when I'm on antibiotics or sick.Poor Bailey!t[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Actually, Simon only ate yogurt once and then decided he didn't like it. What he was crazy for was sour cream, but that does not have the probiotics in it that help diarrhea the way yogurt does. It also depends, though, how Bailey does with milk products-- when Lucy first got loose stools in October after being on Baytril so long, my vet told me to give her yogurt, which I did, and her stools got looser. I eventually figured out, through other observations, that she is lactose intolerant. I ordered her some raw food, the only premade raw I could find that does not have grains, which does have some cottage cheese in it, and I am worried about that. So yogurt might help bailey but it could also make the diarrhea worse...MichelleIn a message dated 1/23/2006 6:53:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michelle's Simon ate yogurt when he was very ill. I wouldn't NOT give the supplement, but I might try a little plain yogurt.
Re: Bailey Update - pathologist report
It is true that I don't think I would give a lot of dex long-term.But I have seen it help short-term, like giving one or two dex shots and then just continuing with the pred-- the oncologist started simon off with one dex shot and then did pred for a while, e.g. And i have seen it help for months in terminally ill cats, where long-term is not an expectation. And my Buddy did get side effects in the end, like thin skin and a wound on his back that would not heal, which I think was from all the steroids he was on (though I also think they increased his lifespan by a few months and definitely his energy levels an appetite). I would not think it would be something used very long-term, for various reasons including diabetes. I actually had never heard of cats getting ulcers from steroids, though, so that is important to know. It definitely seems like a better diagnosis than lymphoma, belinda, which is something to be hopeful about. And to my knowledge you are the first one on this list to get this diagnosis, and I bet it is actually what has been going on with some of the other cats. So this is really useful information for all of us to know. Best, Michelle In a message dated 1/23/2006 10:22:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michelle, she isn't real gong ho on the dex, she said she has had two cats develope ulcers and GI perforations and internal bleeds from it so for now I will give the pred a try and see what happens.
Re: Bailey Update - pathologist report
Michelle, I asked her about the wrong thing I meant to ask her about depo, wasn't that the other thing that you used that helped Simon? would give a lot of dex long-term -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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Belinda, Please know that you and Bailey are constantly in my thoughts. Joan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Belinda Sauro Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 4:52 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Spam: Re: Bailey Update Hi All, Bailey's number is down to 15% now (he's been on the epogen for 5 shots and last blood work was 6 day's ago so I'm really worried), so I did go ahead with the aspirate, it will take 3 to 5 days for an answer. In the meantime now I can give him the pet tinic, prednisolone, doxy, clindimycine, and pain medication he needs through his tube without him being so stressed about it. He is really PO'd and hissing. I will give him a 2 to 3 hours to settle down before I feed him a very small watered down meal and later tonight I will give him his meds in another small watered down meal. I hope he is as OK with the tube feedings as Buddie was. I'll let you know ... Sure am hoping and praying that whatever it is is something we can treat beat!! -- -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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Hey Belinda, I'm sending out prayers today for Bailey. I hope he sails through the procedures and whatever is done helps him. It's so frustrating to watch our kitties not eat, so the feeding tube will hopefully solve that. I'm praying for strength for you also during this tough time. :) Wendy --- catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Belinday, Prayers continued for you and little Bailey. t Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, Bailey is going to have a bone marrow asperate to find out what is causing his anemia on Tuesday, since he will have to be put under anesthesia for this I am going to have a feeding tube put in too. He is really starting to fight the syringe feedings. Please send prayers that he is strong enough to come through this, and that whatever is causing the anemia is something treatable. Thanks everyone ... -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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Bailey and I thank you Wendy :) -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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Me too Belinda, your stomach must be tied up in knots. When are his procedures being done? We're all thinking about you guys. Let us know as soon as you are able. Nina wendy wrote: Hey Belinda, I'm sending out prayers today for Bailey. I hope he sails through the procedures and whatever is done helps him. It's so frustrating to watch our kitties not eat, so the feeding tube will hopefully solve that. I'm praying for strength for you also during this tough time. :) Wendy
Re: Bailey Update
Hi All, Bailey's number is down to 15% now (he's been on the epogen for 5 shots and last blood work was 6 day's ago so I'm really worried), so I did go ahead with the aspirate, it will take 3 to 5 days for an answer. In the meantime now I can give him the pet tinic, prednisolone, doxy, clindimycine, and pain medication he needs through his tube without him being so stressed about it. He is really PO'd and hissing. I will give him a 2 to 3 hours to settle down before I feed him a very small watered down meal and later tonight I will give him his meds in another small watered down meal. I hope he is as OK with the tube feedings as Buddie was. I'll let you know ... Sure am hoping and praying that whatever it is is something we can treat beat!! -- -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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I am hoping too. Bailey has been such an inspiration to all of us. I have found dexamethasone to be helpful with anemia where it is caused by lymphoma-- in combo with chemo.Kerry had luck with it with Bandy too, incombo with all that other stuff. Michelle In a message dated 1/17/2006 4:52:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi All, Bailey's number is down to 15% now (he's been on the epogen for 5 shots and last blood work was 6 day's ago so I'm really worried), so I did go ahead with the aspirate, it will take 3 to 5 days for an answer. In the meantime now I can give him the pet tinic, prednisolone, doxy, clindimycine, and pain medication he needs through his tube without him being so stressed about it.He is really PO'd and hissing. I will give him a 2 to 3 hours to settle down before I feed him a very small watered down meal and later tonight I will give him his meds in another small watered down meal. I hope he is as OK with the tube feedings as Buddie was. I'll let you know ...Sure am hoping and praying that whatever it is is something we can treat beat!!
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Belinda, I am glad that Bailey came through the procedures and is angry! That's probably a good thing. He's still got some spirit! Please keep us posted on him! :) Wendy --- Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, Bailey's number is down to 15% now (he's been on the epogen for 5 shots and last blood work was 6 day's ago so I'm really worried), so I did go ahead with the aspirate, it will take 3 to 5 days for an answer. In the meantime now I can give him the pet tinic, prednisolone, doxy, clindimycine, and pain medication he needs through his tube without him being so stressed about it. He is really PO'd and hissing. I will give him a 2 to 3 hours to settle down before I feed him a very small watered down meal and later tonight I will give him his meds in another small watered down meal. I hope he is as OK with the tube feedings as Buddie was. I'll let you know ... Sure am hoping and praying that whatever it is is something we can treat beat!! -- -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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Belinda, just as a pep talk-- Simon's HCT went down to 13 from lymphoma and then back up to 32 with steroids and chemo. He died two months later from anemia, but that final anemia came on suddenly and the oncologist said it was an auto-immune response to the cancer (or maybe the chemo). But it is possible for HCT's to come up from even lower than 15. Michelle In a message dated 1/17/2006 4:57:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am hoping too. Bailey has been such an inspiration to all of us. I have found dexamethasone to be helpful with anemia where it is caused by lymphoma-- in combo with chemo.Kerry had luck with it with Bandy too, incombo with all that other stuff. Michelle
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Belinda,I hope the vet finds something definitive to help your sweet Bailey too. I hope he adjusts to the feeding tube and stops that hissing. It's so hard when you hate to stress them out, but you have to take care of themtBelinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All,Bailey's number is down to 15% now (he's been on the epogen for 5 shots and last blood work was 6 day's ago so I'm really worried), so I did go ahead with the aspirate, it will take 3 to 5 days for an answer. In the meantime now I can give him the pet tinic, prednisolone, doxy, clindimycine, and pain medication he needs through his tube without him being so stressed about it.He is really PO'd and hissing. I will give him a 2 to 3 hours to settle down before I feed him a very small watered down meal and later tonight I will give him his meds in another small watered down meal. I hope he is as OK with the tube feedings as Buddie was. I'll let you know ...Sure am hoping and praying that whatever it is is something we can treat beat!!-- -- BelindaHappiness is being owned by cats ...Be-Mi-Kitties ...http://www.bemikitties.comPost Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittenshttp://adopt.bemikitties.comFeLV Candle Light Servicehttp://www.bemikitties.com/clsHostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design)http://HostDesign4U.com---BMK Designs (non-profit web sites)http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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Belinda, I'm so happy to hear Bailey made it through his anesthesia. I was so worried about him. I know he's not out of danger by any means, but at least now he has a chance to keep some weight on while you figure out more ways to help him. I don't blame him one little bit for being upset! Prayers that he does well with his tube feeding and you get the answers you need. Nina Belinda Sauro wrote: Hi All, Bailey's number is down to 15% now (he's been on the epogen for 5 shots and last blood work was 6 day's ago so I'm really worried), so I did go ahead with the aspirate, it will take 3 to 5 days for an answer. In the meantime now I can give him the pet tinic, prednisolone, doxy, clindimycine, and pain medication he needs through his tube without him being so stressed about it. He is really PO'd and hissing. I will give him a 2 to 3 hours to settle down before I feed him a very small watered down meal and later tonight I will give him his meds in another small watered down meal. I hope he is as OK with the tube feedings as Buddie was. I'll let you know ... Sure am hoping and praying that whatever it is is something we can treat beat!!
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Michelle, Thank you I am still hoping and praying for a good outcome. Bailey is resting a bit uncomfortably, I just gave him some pain meds and about 15 cc's of food with his pet tinic in it, he kept it down. I am going to give him the rest of his meds and more food at 8 or 8:30, I have to give the doxy 2 hours after any iron (pet tinic). The vet just called to check on him and said I could forgo the fluids tonight since he has been through so much, we'll start those up again tomorrow. I found a great website to look up drug interactions, I read somewhere when I was researching that doxy shouldn't be given with or close to iron supplements and hubby uses this site to check all the meds he takes. It is here if anyone wants to check it out, I've bookmarked it for future reference. Well better go check my happy (not so much now) cat (Bailey's nick name). http://www.drugdigest.org/DD/Interaction/ChooseDrugs/ -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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Belinda~ Prayers going out for Bailey you. Hugs, Patti
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It will be good to find the cause of the anemia, Belinda. Sending prayers for Bailey's strength along with zillions of healing vibes. Keep us posted when you have time. Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Belinda Sauro Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 9:53 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Bailey Update Hi All, Bailey is going to have a bone marrow asperate to find out what is causing his anemia on Tuesday, since he will have to be put under anesthesia for this I am going to have a feeding tube put in too. He is really starting to fight the syringe feedings. Please send prayers that he is strong enough to come through this, and that whatever is causing the anemia is something treatable. Thanks everyone ... -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com hr IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor hr This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
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Belinda, I'm sorry if I missed the update on Bailey after his bone marrow test and feeding tube were put in. How is he doing? Did you find out anything more conclusive? Please let us know when you have the time and energy. My thoughts and prayers are with you and Bailey. N Belinda Sauro wrote: Hi All, Bailey is going to have a bone marrow asperate to find out what is causing his anemia on Tuesday, since he will have to be put under anesthesia for this I am going to have a feeding tube put in too. He is really starting to fight the syringe feedings. Please send prayers that he is strong enough to come through this, and that whatever is causing the anemia is something treatable. Thanks everyone ...
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Hi Nina, His bone marrow aspirate will be this coming Tuesday, my vet is out of town until then and she is teh only one I want to do it. There are 3 other vets there but she did Buddie's tube and I want her to do Bailey's too. I don't see the other vets there unless it is an emergency and she is off. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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belinda, i have no ideas to offer, but wanted you to know that you and bailey remain in my thoughts...-- MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892
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Belinda, I'm sorry, I thought he had already gone through the procedure. It must be torturous to have to wait, but I do understand waiting for someone you trust. It's the same for human health care too. I'll never get used to the fact that people are made to wait for appointments when they are terminal. Sometimes the way things work just sucks. Hold on Bailey, help is on the way, Mommy is doing everything she can. My prayers are with you guys, Nina Belinda Sauro wrote: Hi Nina, His bone marrow aspirate will be this coming Tuesday, my vet is out of town until then and she is teh only one I want to do it. There are 3 other vets there but she did Buddie's tube and I want her to do Bailey's too. I don't see the other vets there unless it is an emergency and she is off.
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Sending prayers and good thoughts... Michelle
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Belinday,Prayers continued for you and little Bailey.tBelinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All,Bailey is going to have a bone marrow asperate to find out what is causing his anemia on Tuesday, since he will have to be put under anesthesia for this I am going to have a feeding tube put in too. He is really starting to fight the syringe feedings. Please send prayers that he is strong enough to come through this, and that whatever is causing the anemia is something treatable. Thanks everyone ...-- BelindaHappiness is being owned by cats ...Be-Mi-Kitties ...http://www.bemikitties.comPost Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittenshttp://adopt.bemikitties.comFeLV Candle Light Servicehttp://www.bemikitties.com/clsHostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design)http://HostDesign4U.com---BMK Designs (non-profit web sites)http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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Belinda Sorry about Bailey, brings back toughts of Bamama. I know you are on Epoygen but there is a vet in Colorado his name is Dr Cahill. He is a very nice man and he is at a diagnostic center for animal. I will tell you I used him for Bamama I had a phone consolation. I basicly was looking for answer with Epoygen since my vet was not that skilled with Epoygen. Unfortuately with me I got him a little late or maybe I could have bought more time. But he has alot of ideas to help her in other ways with stimualant for food and etc. He has alot of old time ideas that work. When I brought some of the notes i took to my vet he was like oh yeah no one does that anymore but we can try it. He is very experience in alot of things I was most impressed with him. If you can't find a listing please let me know i can check wa back to my old notes see if can find a phone number for you. It may be worth a shot, all of the staff that has worked with him have used him and they find him to be very good. He uses some things like Q-10, Vitmin C. He is the one that got me on Protein Thymic A, it is very interest item to use on fiv/felv cats. I have used it on various problems with my non felv/fiv cats and has dones some pretty amazing things. Studies have been done where it has cured some type of cancer in cats but has not be tested enought for it to be marketed. It's used for humans was expensive but if you shop on line you can get it for 1/2 the cost I found the 1st time. My thougths are with you and BAiley Carla Message: 2 Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 18:09:20 -0800 From: Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Bailey Update To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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Is this him Carla? Dr. Allen Cahill DyNAgenics Vet. Diagnostics PO Box 39079 Denver, CO 80239 -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Bailey Update
Belinda,The only thing I can think of that she meant is that he's so anemic he's got low blood pressure? I'm just getting online so I'm hoping you had some good news when you got the blood work.tonyaBelinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bailey's number is holding at 18%, but there is something else going on that has me in a total panic. He has hypotension, his blood pressure is too low. When the vet checked his blood pressure which should be done when a kitty is getting Epogen, because epo can raise their blood pressure, his was way low. Normal is in the 90 and at the vet's cat's are usually in the 160 to 180 range because of the stress of being there, Bailey's was 88. My vet has no clue why this would be, she said the only thing she knows of that causes low blood pressure is low blood volume, I wish I had asked her what that meant (I'm thinking a bleed somewhere, obviously a slow one), anyone ever heard of this or have any experience with it. I feel like Bailey is slipping away and since we can't figure out what is wrong we can't save him. I should get the results for his blood work today, but this low pressure is teh big problem now. My vet is going to research it since this shouldn't be happening. The little I could find said this usually happens before kitties go into shock ...Bailey is getting weaker and weaker, and I feel helpless since we don't know what to do for him, he sleeps 24/7. Syringing is maintaining his weight but ...Please if you have any clue or have heard of or dealt with this, any information would be appreciated. Any one that has a good enough relationship with there vet and maybe could ask if they have ever dealt with this please ask them, my vet hasn't said it out loud, but I know she is worried.--Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ...Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.comPost Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.comFeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/clsHostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com---BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Bailey Update
Hey Belinda, I am so sorry you and Bailey are going through this. Your panic is very obvious. I am praying that you find some peace in what is happening and that Bailey pulls through this dangerous place. I know it will be hard, but try to stay calm so that Bailey won't pick up on you being scared. I don't know how others feel here on this point, but one of the things I regret is panicking when Cricket was dying. I know he probably picked up on it and I feel bad because I feel like I stressed him out more than he already was. You two are in my prayers, Wendy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
