Re: [Finale] compatibility with OS Catalina

[GERALD BERG]

Ahh Thank's for that Robert! Faults seem to be non issues for me. I've been on 
it and so far no terrors.
best GJB 

On Friday, October 25, 2019, 03:38:57 PM EDT, Robert Patterson 
 wrote:  
 
 FWIW: Makemusic has put up more detailed information about Catalina
compatibility.

https://makemusic.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/360036288573-Finale-Notation-Products-and-macOS-10-15-Catalina?utm_source=Iterable_medium=email_campaign=catalina_finale_v26_postrelease

On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 2:33 PM g5gb sge5  wrote:

> I think caution is a good policy on Catalina as it has gained a reputation
> for breaking things. Hopefully Apple with get the bugs worked out.
>
> On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 9:52 AM Chuck Israels 
> wrote:
>
> > Thanks, Gerald.
> >
> > Good to know. I’m still cautious.
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> > > On Oct 15, 2019, at 6:35 AM, GERALD BERG  wrote:
> > >
> > > Oops! I had to upgrade for other reasons. Not used it intensively as
> > yet, but so far so good.
> > > GJB
> > >
> > >    On Tuesday, October 8, 2019, 02:36:56 PM EDT, Chuck Israels <
> > cisra...@comcast.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks, Jon and Robert.
> > >
> > > I’m usually an early upgrader. Caution rules this time.
> > >
> > > Chuck
> > >
> > >> On Oct 8, 2019, at 11:07 AM, Jon Delfin  wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Finale hasn't yet announced a go-ahead on Catalina. This is the most
> > recent
> > >> notice on their website:
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> https://makemusic.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/360036288573-Finale-Notation-Products-and-macOS-10-15-Catalina
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> So proceed at your own risk.
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, Oct 8, 2019 at 1:48 PM Chuck Israels 
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Hi all,
> > >>>
> > >>> Has anyone upgraded to OS Catalina? Is Finale compatible?
> > >>>
> > >>> Thanks,
> > >>>
> > >>> Chuck
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Chuck Israels
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Re: [Finale] compatibility with OS Catalina

[GERALD BERG]

Oops! I had to upgrade for other reasons. Not used it intensively as yet, but 
so far so good.
GJB 

On Tuesday, October 8, 2019, 02:36:56 PM EDT, Chuck Israels 
 wrote:  
 
 Thanks, Jon and Robert.

I’m usually an early upgrader. Caution rules this time.

Chuck

> On Oct 8, 2019, at 11:07 AM, Jon Delfin  wrote:
> 
> Finale hasn't yet announced a go-ahead on Catalina. This is the most recent
> notice on their website:
> 
> https://makemusic.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/360036288573-Finale-Notation-Products-and-macOS-10-15-Catalina
> 
> 
> So proceed at your own risk.
> 
> On Tue, Oct 8, 2019 at 1:48 PM Chuck Israels  wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Has anyone upgraded to OS Catalina? Is Finale compatible?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Chuck
>> 
>> 
>> Chuck Israels
>> cisra...@comcast.net
>> (360) 201-3434
>> 
>> 6935 SW 45th Ave.
>> Portland OR 97219
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Re: [Finale] different time signatures on different staves

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Very cool!
GJB 

On Friday, September 6, 2019, 4:45:41 PM EDT, Robert Patterson 
 wrote:  
 
 To get the hairpins to behave correctly, I recommend using time signatures
that are only graphically different and using invisible tuplets to line up
the notes. (You can do one tuplet per bar and copy it easily with a plugin
like my Mass Copy plugin.) That is, set up an independent time signature
that is 4/4 showing as 12/8 then apply an invisible tuplet of 6 in the time
of 4 quarters at the beginning of each "12/8" bar.

On Fri, Sep 6, 2019 at 3:14 PM Chuck Israels  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> As experienced as I am with Finale, I’ve never tried this — 12/8 on some
> staves and 4/4 on others with the dotted quarter and quarter being equal.
> I’m writing some things for classical string players and classical
> guitarists, and getting anticipations played correctly requires triple
> subdivisions of the quarter note. People used to jazz notation interpret
> eight notes in context, but I can’t expect even really good musicians
> without that experience to know when the eighths are more or less equal and
> when they’re swung, so I end up writing music cluttered with triplets.
> Being able to switch between 12/8 and 4/4 would result in a cleaner look.
>
> Have any of you done this? Is it practical?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Chuck
>
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Re: [Finale] Lyric window does not show entire lyric

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Sure. Instead of laying the words out as in a poem. Turn it into a paragraph. 
At the very least it prevents one from bumping into the end of the box. For me, 
as one who wrote his own libretto, changing words and order and meaning is a 
constant battle and I have battled the box end a fair bit.


GJB

On Tuesday, August 6, 2019, 12:53 PM, Barbara Touburg  
wrote:

On 6-8-2019 18:15, GERALD BERG wrote:
> Other then starting a new verse and divvy the lyric, you can try and collapse 
> the stanza count (lines of words). It gets to be a real pain if you keep 
> trying to work in the one box extended.

Interesting. Can you explain what you mean by that?
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Re: [Finale] Lyric window does not show entire lyric

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Other then starting a new verse and divvy the lyric, you can try and collapse 
the stanza count (lines of words). It gets to be a real pain if you keep trying 
to work in the one box extended. 
GJB 

On Tuesday, August 6, 2019, 11:03:22 AM EDT, Robert Patterson 
 wrote:  
 
 I do think I hit a limit. It appears to be an artificial limit in the UI on
the number of lines of text in the window. A  likely number is 255, but I
haven't counted them. I spread my text out on lots of lines of text
(matching the how the libretto is formatted.) This is undoubtedly the
problem.

On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 9:55 AM Don Hart  wrote:

> Haven't seen this particular thing but I always avoid putting an entire
> lyric in one window.  Stems from the days when lyrics corrupted more
> easily/frequently, I suppose. Not a form thing, per se--I put verses,
> choruses, or whatever manageable section in Finale's numbered verses just
> to limit the scope of any problems that would arise.
>
> Have you reached some Lyric Window size limit, do you think?
>
> On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 9:40 AM Robert Patterson <
> rob...@robertgpatterson.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Has anyone encountered an issue where the Lyric Window does not show all
> > the lyric text? That's what I am seeing for a particularly long lyric
> text.
> > (It's an opera, so lots of text.)
> >
> > If so, any work arounds?
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[Finale] Score playback on iPad?

[GERALD BERG]

Hi all
Is score playback possible on an iPad? I don't need the sound.
TIA
GJB 

  
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Re: [Finale] Standard Percussion Notation for Bucket Drumming

[GERALD BERG]

OK! Now I got it. Surfs Up notation was like Orffs grade school exercises. I 
used them. They were great. No bucket thumping though...


GJB

On Wednesday, June 12, 2019, 5:06 AM, David H. Bailey  
wrote:

On 6/12/2019 4:42 AM, Giovanni Andreani wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I’m aware this may be considered quite off-topic, although this list is one 
> of the best places I can think about for finding a reliable response. I’m 
> engraving  a bucket drumming ensemble score, and realised the composer used 
> some quite naif symbols to represent the various types of strokes (side, 
> center, board, top bottom of bucket, etc.). I was wondering if there’s a 
> standard established for this kind of notation and where eventually could I 
> find the references.
> 

I just did a quick web-search using the term "bucket drumming notation" 
and got a lot of hits, some of which were simply selling stuff, but 
there were a couple of results which actually showed some bucket 
drumming notation.

I'm not sure there's a standard yet for this, but one example was a 
youtube video of a song that showed its notation:

The notation seemed perfectly clear to me -- each staff had a clear 
notation for which part of the bucket was supposed to be hit.

There are online groups you can join to get more information, such as:
  -- I don't know anything about it 
since at this point I'm not interested in the subject, but I think you 
could find information there.

As with any new aspect of music and notation I think that what's most 
important is that the music make very clear at the top of the score and 
each part what the notation means.

-- 
*
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Re: [Finale] Slurs and tuplets

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I would go inside. Outside implying the bracket itself.
GJB 

On Saturday, June 8, 2019, 10:41:35 AM EDT, Barbara Touburg 
 wrote:  
 
 Hello all!

When an unbeamed (bracketed) tuplet is slurred, where do I place the 
slur? Inside the tuplet or outside?

Thanks!

Barbara
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Re: [Finale] OT: pop orchestration

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https://www.amazon.com/Jazz-Composition-Orchestration-William-Russo/dp/0226732088/ref=dp_ob_title_bk

was one I always liked...
GJB 

On Sunday, June 2, 2019, 1:50:07 PM EDT, Greg Scheer  
wrote:  
 
 I turn to this list often for Finale therapy; this time I’d like to pick your 
brains about the music itself.

I’m on a lifelong quest to become a better orchestrator. For classical 
orchestration the path is fairly clear, with a host of orchestration books and 
scores/recordings available for study. In the world of pop, jazz, and rock 
orchestration the path is less traveled. There are many examples—The Beatles, 
Chet Baker & Strings, Sufjan Stevens, etc—but to my knowledge no source for 
score study and only a handful of jazz/pop orchestration treatises.

I know many of you are fine orchestrators in a variety of idioms or engrave 
music for exceptional arrangers. I would love any leads you can provide: 
stellar examples of orchestrated pop/jazz/rock, sources for scores, books 
you’ve found valuable, websites of particular arrangers, or general pearls of 
wisdom.

If you’re interested in hearing some of what I’ve composed, take a listen to 
the St. Sinner Orchestra, which is a hybrid of band and string orchestra: 
https://stsinnerorchestra.bandcamp.com/releases 


Thanks so much for entertaining my rabbit trail!

Peace,

Greg

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Re: [Finale] Unusual Tuplet

[GERALD BERG]

Just to point out it was 2 dotted halves in 5 quarters. No quintuplet involved. 
Weird but correct.
Another solution is to change the tempo. ie if tempo q=75. Put two half notes 
with tempo of q=60. I realize not optimal for this particular situation.
GJB 

On Friday, May 31, 2019, 11:52:48 AM EDT, 
 wrote:  
 
 Hi,
It is not possible to place two dotted halves in four quarter, under a 
quintuplet sign; one of the two halves has to be without dot.
One (just one, not really very important) of the reasons why 
"contemporary music" interests me a lot in passing, is that it is full 
of people (in Italy also) who believe that placing a quintuplet inside a 
nonuplet etc., is in itself a fact of 'avant-garde', probably even 
'leftist' (which harms, has harmed, even to the 'left', nb); while it's 
just a big nonsense, a bluff.
And bluffs don't last long, unless you have a big, big deal behind you - 
while "contemporary music" has become, thanks to such nonsense, only a 
small deal.
all best,
Paolo Rismondo
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[Finale] Drifting Clefs

[GERALD BERG]

Hi all
Situation is in 4/4: 
 Keyboard staff. Bass clef keyboard right hand. Voice1 bass notes. Voice2 
treble notes.
 So BClef / TClef/BC/TClef.
All fine and set. When I return next day I find the clefs collected at measure 
end. How do I stop them from doing that?
Many thanks.
FINMAC 25
GJB 

  
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Re: [Finale] MIDI Clean-Up

[GERALD BERG]

There use to be a search and replace function. Have no idea where that went. I 
suppose select all and respell notes is no good?
GJB 

On Wednesday, March 27, 2019, 4:26:21 PM EDT, Neal Gittleman 
 wrote:  
 
 Greetings…

FinMac 26.0.1...

I’m a little out over my skis here, but I imagine there are folks out there in 
Finale-List land who’ve had experience with this kind of things…  I’m doing a 
project for a friend where I’ve been given .mid “String” tracks that I’m going 
to turn into parts that can be played by real human beings.  The MIDI-to-Finale 
dump was pretty seamless, but now I need to wrangle the staves that the MIDI 
conversion process gave me into a real score with real, playable parts.  

One of the biggest issues, of course, is the note spelling.  The piece is more 
or less in A Major and related keys, but every note that should be a G# came 
out of the MIDI as an Ab.  Ditto for Db/C#.  I can see that alone wasting lots 
of time, so here’s my question…

Is there a way I can globally change every Ab to a G# and every Db to a C#?  
I’m hoping the answer is yes!

Thanks!

Neal Gittleman
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Re: [Finale] Moving measures

[GERALD BERG]

ON FINMAC25 acting wonky is de rigour. Just last night I couldn't changed Bold 
type item to italic with the title page tool. Reboot fixed it but what a pain 
meantime.
GJB 

On Tuesday, March 12, 2019, 9:53:00 AM EDT, Christopher Smith 
 wrote:  
 
 Are you in the Selection Tool? 

Otherwise, when Finale starts acting wonky, I quit, logout (or reboot the 
computer) and start again. That usually clears the problem.

Christopher


> On Tue Mar 12, at TuesdayMar 12 9:48 AM, Lawrence David Eden 
>  wrote:
> 
> Dear Listers,
> 
> I am running Fin 25 and Mac Mojave.
> 
> I used to be able to move measures from one system to another but can no 
> longer do that.  For example:  I have a 2 page document that needs to have 2 
> extra measures from page 3.  Used to be I could use my up/down arrows after 
> highlighting the offending measures, and Finale would move the extra measures 
> back onto page 2.  But it doesn’t work today.  What have I missed?
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
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Re: [Finale] Moving measures

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Larry
That method still works for me on FINMAC25! Right tool highlited?
GJB 

On Tuesday, March 12, 2019, 9:49:02 AM EDT, Lawrence David Eden 
 wrote:  
 
 Dear Listers,

I am running Fin 25 and Mac Mojave.

I used to be able to move measures from one system to another but can no longer 
do that.  For example:  I have a 2 page document that needs to have 2 extra 
measures from page 3.  Used to be I could use my up/down arrows after 
highlighting the offending measures, and Finale would move the extra measures 
back onto page 2.  But it doesn’t work today.  What have I missed?


Thanks,

Larry Eden
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Re: [Finale] Mac OS issue

[GERALD BERG]

Yes, same with me FINMAC 25
GJB 

On Sunday, February 10, 2019, 8:29:08 PM EST, Mike Greensill 
 wrote:  
 
 I just did the same and Finale 25 has slowed noticeably. Also a strange
behavior has returnedwhen I use the staff tool to alter the distance
between stave, all the music on the staves disappears while I'm moving them.

Mike G.

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On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 4:02 AM Lawrence David Eden 
wrote:

> Greetings and a word of warning to others:
>
> Yesterday, I installed the latest Security Update for Mac OS.  (I am
> running 10.13.6).  I zapped the PRAM after I did the installation.
>
> When I opened Finale 25.5 to continue work on a project, my MIDI settings
> were different. Using Speedy when the score was displayed in transposed
> pitch caused a return of the minor seconds sounding as I entered each
> note.  This was a problem that my colleagues on the List helped me fix last
> summer.  Question is:  was it the Security Update or the PRAM Zap that
> changed things in Finale.
>
> Any ideas?  Have any of you experienced this issue as well?
>
> Larry Eden
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[Finale] FIN/MAC weird behaviour

[GERALD BERG]

Hi all
Something weird is in my recent working Finale files. I open the file and go 
for playback and playback defaults forward to measure 174.
Thing of it is, the length of the piece is irrelevant. The piece could be 
shorter but still it tries to start at measure 174!
A simple fix in the I expand the playback module and futts with the measure 
playback controls.  I cannot dial measure 1 in at the upper left playback 
measure timer because the default is set at ms.174.
Any ideas?
FINMAC 25.5
thank you
best
GJB 
  
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Re: [Finale] Sale: Dorico Pro 2 and Dorico Elements 2

[GERALD BERG]

Thanks Craig. Most informative.


GJB

On Saturday, January 26, 2019, 5:02 PM, Craig Parmerlee  
wrote:

Here are some observations about each of the plug-in examples.  Let me 
stipulate that the Finale plug-ins might provide some unusual visual 
results that aren't directly matched by Dorico, so I am not claiming  
equivalence on any of these.

1. Copy arbitrary material regardless of barlines, etc.  This is 
inherent in Dorico, and I think you would find this far more productive 
in Dorico.  Dorico does not provide any drag-and-drop, but the cut and 
paste model is extremely powerful.  It even allows 1-to-many pasting, 
and pasting to discontinuous staffs and so on.  Also there is a very 
powerful capability where you can select any material, press "R" and it 
automatically duplicates the material placing it immediately to the 
right of the selection, which still expressing everything correctly with 
no touch-up required.

2. Mass relink.  This is inherent in Dorico.  Moreover, Dorico seems to 
make better assumptions about when to automatically reflect score 
changes in parts and vice versa.

3. Autocreate MM rests.  This is always automatic.  You never "create" 
any MM rests.  It is inherent. There are some options for visual appearance.

4. Multiple sets of not spacings.  I am not aware of anything line this 
in Dorico.  Of course you can edit the parts directly to apply any 
spacing you need.

5. Designate certain text as titles. There is only "text" and "system 
text" in Dorico.  There is no hierarchy of text objects, such as an 
outline mode in a word processor.  However, you have a great deal of 
control over the formatting of any text object and you can freely copy 
and reuse any of your text items.  So if you have a text object 
formatted as a "title", you can copy that anywhere else you need a 
similar title to appear.  Moreover, Dorico has a higher level of 
abstraction for these situations.  Your file can consist of multiple 
"flows", which are like movements. And each flow can have a title, with 
options how and when to display those titles.

6. Mass align hairpins.  There is no mass alignment, but if you have a 
4-bar passage, you can enter the dynamic as "F" and Dorico will 
enter that dynamic as a group that is all aligned.  And if you copy that 
group to other staves, they will be aligned (taking in to account the 
collisions).  So if you enter it properly, you never need to go back and 
fix it.  Dorico moves the groups around (maintaining the alignment) as 
needed even if the music changes to create a new collision.

7. Various fixes.  Most of these situations just don't happen in 
Dorico.  And you have complete control over the rhythmic position and 
length of every object, so anything like this is very easy to fix.

8. Movements.  See 5 above.  it is far more elegant than in Finale.  And 
flows have other uses.  I often keep extra flows in my score as 
scratchpads or two different versions of a harmonization until I am sure 
I have it right.  I just did a big band chart that has a 16-bar a 
cappella fugue in 4 voices.  That was very tedious as I am not a fugue 
person, so I created a separate flow just for those 16 bars.  That 
16-bar flow was reduced to only 4 players plus a chord playback staff so 
I could get all the counterpoint working.  Once that was right, I coped 
those 16 bars to the main flow and expanded the voices to let that 
section build over the 16 bars.  This is all very straightforward under 
Dorico.  You can certainly do something like that with Finale 
programming a view, but I'd probably put the scratchpad in a completely 
separate MUSX file.  Either way works, but it is much faster in Dorico 
because all of the above is just a few mouse clicks in setup mode.

9 Transfer page payout.  There is no template capability in Dorico, 
which is a bit of a weakness. However, if you have a score set up the 
way you like it, you can easily copy that and use that as the basis for 
your new project. And you can do that after the fact by exporting your 
flow(s) from one score and importing the flow(s) into the score that has 
the layout your want.  And as far as parts go, Dorico has a "master 
page" structure where you can develop a master page that can be used by 
any number of parts.  This area of Dorico is rather complicated, but 
looks very powerful.  I haven't used it much.

10.  TG Tools.  No questions on this one.

11. Proportionately scale staffs.  I don't know about this.  There are 
lots of options in Dorico for this kind of thing, but I don't know that 
any of them do what you want here.

12. Modeless plug-in problem.  I don't know about that.  There aren't 
any plugins in Dorico.  You can, however, do hot key assignments for any 
of hundreds of commands. And there are folks who are using the "Stream 
Deck" keypad to really boost their productivity.  I haven't done that 
yet.  That's not a direct replacement for plug-ins, but enables a 
different kind of 

Re: [Finale] COPIED SEGMENTS GET TRANSPOSED!

[GERALD BERG]

Good to remember Chris. Thx. 
 There are few ‘prepped’ defaults that make no sense( to me) as default.Albeit 
they escape memory at the moment...


GJB

On Friday, January 18, 2019, 2:08 PM, dr.a.s. weinstangel  
wrote:

Oyyy! Thank you!!!

Could not even imagine such a stupid feature; especially as a default setting!

Dr.A.S.Weinstangel

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From: Finale  on behalf of Christopher Smith 

Sent: January 18, 2019 2:00 PM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: Re: [Finale] COPIED SEGMENTS GET TRANSPOSED!

Under Preferences>Edit uncheck “respect instrument ranges when copying” and 
leave it unchecked.

This is the stupidest thing MakeMusic ever added as a “feature”. I can’t 
imagine anyone wanting this on, ever.

Christopher


> On Fri Jan 18, at FridayJan 18 1:26 PM, j...@thomastudios.com wrote:
>
> I am on a Mac, but the first thing you may want to check in SM is the 
> settings for the clef.  I have encountered this numerous times with 
> Contrabass, etc.  And it happens no matter what the transposition is.  Worth 
> a quick look.
>
> ***
> J D Thomas
> ThomaStudios
>
>
>
>> On Jan 18, 2019, at 10:06 AM, dr.a.s. weinstangel  wrote:
>>
>> Dear all;
>>
>> Fin2601.0.1.655 Win10
>>
>> I have created the string parts first and am now copy/pasting them into the 
>> blank score. Some segments end up transposed an octave down! "Out of range 
>> notes" are OFF, Score Manager shows transposition set to none, nothing 
>> unusual in the staff attributes etc. Any ideas?
>>
>> Dr.A.S.Weinstangel
>>
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Re: [Finale] retain beaming breaks when copying

[GERALD BERG]

I have gone to the lengths of copy measure then, insert measure then, change 
time signature and rebar. Use the detritus to whatever luck.
Best I got.


GJB

On Monday, October 22, 2018, 3:33 PM, SN jef chippewa 
 wrote:


bajillions of 8th notes in various beaming groupings (beams and stems) i set up 
several patterns for, but when copying these patterns to non-whole measures 
starting on different positions within the (constantly changing) meter and the 
beaming reverts to the defaults set in the time sig fo rthe measure.  i've 
tried patterson mass copy with limited results, and the way these are set up 
and because the patterns change constantly it is better to rebeam manually.

as an example (full measure copying works), in the attached pdf the selected 3 
beats in snare 5 are the pattern i pasted an the result before pasting was 
idential to the previous measure.

mostly i paste with "show active layer only", and some of these work but once 
an interlocking pattern is copied into remaining (empty) beats in the measure 
the stuff goes wacky.

please tell me there is something i am overlooking... i have done 15 pp and 
have anpther 60 to go :-/

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Re: [Finale] YKEY versus Keyboard Maestro

[GERALD BERG]

Very gracious Chuck! Thank you. Would greatly appreciate that. No rush. I am 
not a engraver, so my needs simpler. I just happy to have HK4  RESPELL NOTES 
and FAVOR #b    ^&*@%^(!!
I am suspecting one might be able to do more with YKey. best
GJB

  From: Chuck Israels 
 To: finale@shsu.edu 
 Sent: Wednesday, October 3, 2018 6:18 PM
 Subject: Re: [Finale] YKEY versus Keyboard Maestro
   
I have Keyboard Maestro and have a bunch of successful shortcuts and macros 
already programmed. (Also a few I haven’t been able to create successfully.) 
I’m happy to share what I have, if it turns out I have something you can use.

Chuck



> On Oct 3, 2018, at 2:25 PM, GERALD BERG  wrote:
> 
> FYI could not get YKEY to work no how and support was arcane and useless. 
> Looks like they will give me a refund. Just bought Keyboard Maestro and did 
> in 5 minutes what took a week in YKEY not to do.  Have no idea for the 
> disparity. best
> GJB
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[Finale] YKEY versus Keyboard Maestro

[GERALD BERG]

FYI could not get YKEY to work no how and support was arcane and useless. Looks 
like they will give me a refund. Just bought Keyboard Maestro and did in 5 
minutes what took a week in YKEY not to do.  Have no idea for the disparity. 
best
GJB

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[Finale] Ykeys learning curve

[GERALD BERG]

Alright just call me Wimpy.  I got Ykeys but the learning curve is intimidating 
and arcane for the simple minded like me. If someone would be willing to send 
me a few choice shortcuts that I can clone and adapt I would gladly pay you 
Tuesday. Payment would be prompt.
The most befuddling is how to address a submenu.  It was one thing to program a 
hotkey for RESPELL NOTES but how do you get a hotkey for FAVOUR SHARPS or 
FAVOUR FLATS?
TIA
best GJB

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Re: [Finale] FINMAC - iKey?

[GERALD BERG]

Thanks Simon, Robert and Jim! Shop and compare I shall.


GJB

On Saturday, July 28, 2018, 5:32 PM, James Grant  
wrote:

I replaced QuicKeys with Keyboard Maestro when QuicKeys stopped working for me 
on High Sierra last year:

 

https://www.keyboardmaestro.com/main

 

I love it! Once you get the hang of the interface, it’s easy, and it’s 
effective—gets the same jobs done.

 

Jim

 

 

 

On Jul-28-18, 4:36 PM, a typically enchanting day in and on Oxtongue Lake, ON, 
"Finale on behalf of GERALD BERG" stated with conviction:

 

Hello all

Was it iKey that was the best replacement for the old Quickkeys program?

TIA

Jerry

GJB

 

 

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[Finale] FINMAC - iKey?

[GERALD BERG]

Hello all
Was it iKey that was the best replacement for the old Quickkeys program?
TIA
Jerry
GJB


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Re: [Finale] Dynamics placement

[GERALD BERG]

Brilliant Don! GJB

  From: Don Hart 
 To: Finale  
 Sent: Friday, June 15, 2018 11:13 AM
 Subject: Re: [Finale] Dynamics placement
   
When I've opened old files and encountered this situation I've had pretty
good luck moving all the dynamics from the miscellaneous category to the
dynamics category.  Make sure the dynamics positioning is what you want,
and you may have to "reset to category" all the expressions you moved and
possibly select those expressions in the score and hit "clear," which
resets to default category positioning.

Good luck!

Don Hart

On Fri, Jun 15, 2018 at 9:01 AM, j...@thomastudios.com 
wrote:

> Additionally, you could change the settings for the dynamics already in
> the file without having to delete the old ones and reassign new ones.  But
> it’s tedious; you have to edit each dynamic individually for its
> positioning and set it where you prefer.  You may also have to tweak the
> position in you file after doing this.
>
> ***
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>
>
>
> > On Jun 15, 2018, at 5:33 AM, Christopher Smith <
> christopher.sm...@videotron.ca> wrote:
> >
> > It sounds like you’re working on an old document, perhaps dating from
> before automatic expression placements (that’s REALLY old!)
> >
> > What I would do is load a library of dynamics that have the placements
> set already (almost any modern document, for example). You will have to
> remake all the metatools, though, if you want to use them.
> >
> > If you want to replace the existing dynamics, do this.
> >
> > Open up the Expression Selection dialogue box and delete the old
> dynamics one at a time. Each time you get the message “This is in use, what
> do you want to do?” you choose Replace and choose the new dynamic to
> replace it. Repeat this for the whole list. Now all your dynamics in the
> document will be the ones with automatic placement. You might have to
> select them all and hit the Clear button to remove manual adjustments, but
> from then on any new dynamics you enter will be right.
> >
> > Christopher
> >
> >
> >> On Jun 15, 2018, at 8:16 AM, Lawrence David Eden 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Listers,
> >>
> >> I am using Finale 25 on a Mac running OS 10.13.5.
> >>
> >> My dynamics are being automatically  placed directly on the note head
> instead of under.  How do I fix this?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Larry Eden
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Re: [Finale] Media Kit

[GERALD BERG]

Thanks David.


GJB

On Monday, May 21, 2018, 2:20 PM, David H. Bailey <dhbaile...@comcast.net> 
wrote:

On 5/21/2018 1:23 PM, GERALD BERG wrote:
> Greetings All
> I was just about to upgrade to FINMac25 and I see they are offering a media 
> kit for $25. What is it?  Thanks in advance
> Jerry

Like many software publishers these days, FinaleMusic expects people to 
download their products.  But for those who would rather install from an 
installation disk they offer those installations disks at an extra 
charge.  The only thing you get are the installation disks, which most 
likely won't include the latest updates so you'll still need to update 
the software once you install it.

To save even more money, FinaleMusic includes both Windows and Mac 
installation disks in the same set, so the poor underpaid shipping 
clerks don't have to pay attention to what they're grabbing, packing and 
shipping.

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[Finale] Media Kit

[GERALD BERG]

Greetings All
I was just about to upgrade to FINMac25 and I see they are offering a media kit 
for $25. What is it?  Thanks in advance
Jerry

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Re: [Finale] Things to be done in the middle of a bar.

[GERALD BERG]

Very clever Robert! Thx. GJB

  From: Robert Patterson 
 To: finale  
 Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2017 9:34 AM
 Subject: Re: [Finale] Things to be done in the middle of a bar.
   
For both time sigs in one hand you choose which actual meter you want (4/8
or 12/16) then select "show as" to create a double key signature. Or at
least that's one way. Another is to add the second time sig as expressions.

On a number of occasions I have done something similar to your 4/4 in one
part and 3/8 in the other. That's actually fairly easy. You create the 3/8
as "12/8 show as 3/8". Then add the extra barlines as expressions in the
"3/8" part. With barlines only occasionally lining up as well you really
have to start looking at each case as its own challenge to decide the best
workaround for that case.

To add a time or key sig in the middle of the bar, you have to create two
bars. Let's say it changes in the middle of a 4/4 bar. To accomplish this
you

1. Replace the 4/4 bar with 2 "2/4 show as 4/4" bars.
2. Using Measure Attributes dlg, change the barline of the first bar to
either Nothing or a double bar, depending on the manuscript.
3, In the second bar uncheck "Include in Measure Numbering".

That's all there is to it. It may not be how you'd do it in manuscript, but
it isn't particularly tedious. And it works exactly as you would wish it to.



On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 3:45 AM, David H. Bailey 
wrote:

> On 8/19/2017 1:47 AM, Michael Edwards wrote:
> > [Robert Patterson:]
> >
> >>> I don't agree it is "very complicated". You can achieve the result
> >>> you want
> >>> (mid-measure keys/timesigs) using a few extra steps. The result is
> >>> robust
> >>> and works exactly as you would wish it to, including playback.
> >>>
> >>> Finale does permit e.g. 3/8 in RH and 9/16 in LH, where the barlines
> >>> line
> >>> up. (I don't understand what you mean by 9/19 meter.)
> >>
> >>      Did I type "9/19"?  It was a typo; I meant 9/16.
> >
> >        Oh - I forgot to add just now: it was both those in the left hand,
> > not one in the right and the other the left.  I think that was when I
> > mentioned Scriabin's 10 Piano Sonata, which does that near the end.  It
> > may sound confusing to read about, but the score is perfectly clear and
> > readable, and entirely logical.
> >
>
> Most of what you want to accomplish can be done in Finale, but not all
> of the things will be easy.  Dorico is on the track to being much more
> flexible than either Sibelius or Finale but it will be quite a while
> before it will be able easily to do what you are asking about
> completely.  Some of the things you want can be accomplished now with
> Dorico.  I've bought Dorico and played around with it some, but I find
> that Sibelius is my go-to notation app these days because it does so
> much so easily and 99% of what I do is old-fashioned standard notation.
> For example Dorico will allow different meters but the barlines won't
> line up.  It does what many Finale users have wanted for many years --
> different meters on different staves in the score result in different
> bar lengths.  So, for example, a piece with some bars in 2/4 and some in
> 6/8 will have the barlines in different places because it will make the
> 8th notes be uniform between the two staves.  However it has not yet
> been able to make the barlines line up creating different 8th note
> speeds (6/8 triplet-feel against the duple feeling of the 2/4 bars).  So
> it can't do it all either.
>
> One thing that can help to understand how Finale works is to know that
> it comes from a database background -- not completely but basically.
> The underlying philosophy of Finale is that each measure is a record in
> a database and the contents of that measure are data in fields in that
> record.  That's why the barlines line up between staves of different
> meters, which creates different speeds for the same note values in the
> differently metered staves.  And that's why to implement mid-measure
> changes like key or meter you need to create two measures of smaller
> time signatures to equal the appearance of one measure of the prevailing
> meter.
>
> So much of learning any software program I've found lies in trying to
> understand as much as possible the underlying philosophy of the original
> program designers and then realizing that generations of programmers
> have added layer upon layer over that original design.
>
> Finale's code was supposedly completely rewritten several versions ago
> (either that or I completely misunderstood the publicity MakeMusic was
> putting out) to modernize it but I suspect that much of the original
> code was put back in place or at least in the modernizing of the code
> the programming logic of the original code was not changed at all.
>
> I remember when they moved the menu items around (and continue to do so,
> it seems) which made it very difficult for us long-time Finale 

Re: [Finale] Problems Printing 11 x 17

[GERALD BERG]

 blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px 
#715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white 
!important; } I believe this would be caused by failing to set the page size in 
the finders print dialogue box. On my iPad so can't recall exactly...


GJB

On Saturday, June 17, 2017, 10:32 AM, Michael Dutka  wrote:

Hi, folks. Running 2010 on OSX 10.8.5 (and yes, planning to upgrade as soon
as I finish my current project).

Trying to print 11 x 17 scores, and but when I do, I get the error message
that some of the pages don't fit the size of the paper in the printer.
Pretty sure it's a Finale issues, not a printer interface, because I get
the same error message even if I try to generate a .pdf with no printer
selected.

The Page Size settings in the Page Layout menu look right - Tabloid Width
11 Length 17.

Is there some other setting that could be interfering? Any advice,
recommendations?

Many thanks, and best regards,

Mike
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[Finale] Notes from The Balcony

[GERALD BERG]

Hello all
I am just wanted to share these instrumental recordings of a piano duo 
transcription of my opera based on Jean Genet's The Balcony. 
These 2 are from Act 1- Scenes 1 and 3.  It took a while to pull together 
(having to buy the uprights and all). ;)  We rehearsed, seasonally and with 
sundry vicissitudes, a couple of years to get it done. 
David Chodoriwsky Piano 1Erika Crino Piano 2John Gray Engineer

https://soundcloud.com/stream


I hope you find the time. 
best
Jerry
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Re: [Finale] Filling a 5/4 bar with one note

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#715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white 
!important; } Nice touch that 4/.q. bracketing. I'm still scratching my head 
over playing 5 against 4 in triplets at speed! Precision meet Imprecision.
GJB

On Tuesday, December 20, 2016, 10:40 AM, Robert Patterson 
 wrote:

For anyone who is interested in the notation, here are a couple examples.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/e67walobznq1ygl/Crumb-DayOfComet.tiff?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/0nz3afpyiyx1y4m/Crumb-ZeitgeistEx2.tiff?dl=0

He also uses it extensively in the "Musica Apocalypitca" movement of Star
Child. It really requires no explanation, which is one of the attractive
features of it.


On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 9:35 AM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz <
bath...@maltedmedia.com> wrote:

> On Tue, December 20, 2016 10:33 am, SN jef chippewa wrote:
> >
> >>I¹m attracted by the idea of a symbol that would fill *any* bar.
> >
> > like a whole rest? :P
>
> A whole note with a short right-pointing arrow, since that's already used
> for
> continuation?
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Re: [Finale] 3/2 vs. 6/4

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 blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px 
#715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white 
!important; } Context is everything I suppose. A stress of three instead of 
two...or was that four? 2fer makes sense if they are equally stressed, but if 
equally stressed is really a 3. If really three 3/2 makes sense to me.


GJB

On Wednesday, December 7, 2016, 4:54 PM, Raymond Horton 
 wrote:

three measures of 2/4 is not a bad suggestion at all. It avoids the minor
Panic that can result when seeing a larger time signature. another
possibility, depending on the music, is a 4/4 + 2/4.


Raymond Horton
Composer, Arranger
Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church
Retired Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra, 1971-2016


On Dec 7, 2016 4:32 PM, "Timothy Price"  wrote:

3 measures of 2/4 is what you need.

> On Dec 7, 2016, at 2:39 PM, "j...@thomastudios.com" 
wrote:
>
> I agree with David and Raymond, 3/2.
>
>
> ***
> J D Thomas
> ThomaStudios
>
>
>
>> On Dec 7, 2016, at 11:09 AM, Lee Dengler  wrote:
>>
>> I have a theory question for all you theory buffs out there.  I am
writing a
>> piece that is mostly in a slow 4/4 meter (quarter note =60).
Occasionally,
>> I have a measure of 6 beats where the quarter note remains consistent.
In
>> those measures, the stress of lyrics falls on beats 1, 3 and 5.  Should I
>> make those measures 3/2 or 6/4.  My uncertainty lies in that going to
3/2
>> makes it look like the half note gets the beat, but 6/4 is generally
>> considered to be a compound meter (3+3).  Any words of wisdom?
>>
>> Lee Dengler
>>
>> leedeng...@comcast.net 
>>
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Re: [Finale] Polymetric notation done right! In Dorico

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#715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white 
!important; }  By all means David, keep us informed. I am very curious about 
this new software.
GJB


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On Thursday, October 27, 2016, 9:48 AM, Giovanni Andreani 
 wrote:

As a Dorico user I'm not surprised to learn about this new feature. It can 
clearly be seen that the Dorico team is going to develop some unique software 
that will be a standard in future; meanwhile I'm slowly gaining confidence with 
its working procedures, knowing that lot has still got to be done. A drumset, 
for instance is not mappable on a stave, at the moment.

Giovanni




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>Dear fellow computer music notation users,
>
>I know that polymetric notation (with barlines which don't line up) has 
>long been a point of frustration in computer notation programs, at least 
>in Finale and Sibelius.  Yes, most allow for different meters but the 
>barlines have always had to line up from staff to staff no matter the 
>signature, so for example having one staff in 2/4 and another in 6/8 
>makes the quarter note in 2/4 equal in length to the dotted-quarter in 
>6/8, making the 8th notes in the 6/8 sound like triplets in the 2/4 staff.
>
>Dorico allows true polymetric notation, where the speed of the 8th notes 
>will remain constant in all the staves, but the barlines will not line 
>up with each other.  Right now it's still in its infancy and will 
>hopefully allow for more complex polymetric options.  But it's there.
>
>I just thought that the curious ought to know -- I'm not trying to 
>convince anybody to make the jump to Dorico, but the development team 
>has paid a lot of attention to the frustrations and wishes that many of 
>us have posted in these groups over the years.
>
>
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Re: [Finale] 11x17 pdf

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Thanks Christopher and JD. Figured it and it all looks fine now.
OT but why does my Finale@shsu.edu iPAD postings come with  format 
instructions? All the best
GJB

  From: Christopher Smith <christopher.sm...@videotron.ca>
 To: finale@shsu.edu 
 Sent: Monday, September 26, 2016 1:17 PM
 Subject: Re: [Finale] 11x17 pdf
   
I know how to do it on a Mac. From inside Preview you hit Print, then in the 
print dialogue you choose the size of paper you want (assuming the paper is 
loaded in the printer!) Hit return and it is supposed to work.

Christopher


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> blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px 
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> !important; }  Hi all
> Flummoxed by this. I have parts that are 11x17 in size and I want to send 
> them to the printer in PDF format. Any advice on how to accomplish this would 
> be greatly appreciated.
> TIA
> Gerald
> 
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[Finale] 11x17 pdf

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 blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px 
#715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white 
!important; }  Hi all
Flummoxed by this. I have parts that are 11x17 in size and I want to send them 
to the printer in PDF format. Any advice on how to accomplish this would be 
greatly appreciated.
TIA
Gerald


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Re: [Finale] chord question

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 blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px 
#715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white 
!important; }  LOL Close enuff for jazz I guess! 
From an improv vamping POV it proves convenient, and that may well be all that 
is required. But I can't see calling the 6th degree of a minor scale - Bb here 
- a #5 in any theory book.
Playing the chords in context it sounds like what it is: a minor 6th. 
Alone it sounds like Bb/D b5.
Thanks for the example! Well found.
GJB


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On Saturday, July 30, 2016, 12:20 PM, Lon Price <lonpr...@att.net> wrote:

Check out the Real Book, Vol. 1 (Hal Leonard Edition), page 102 - Dear Old 
Stockholm.  The second chord is D-9#5, so that’s at least one example of the 
chord being used in a publication.

> On Jul 30, 2016, at 8:52 AM, GERALD BERG <gj.b...@rogers.com> wrote:
> 
> Problem there is a #5 needs a major third (D# in this case) to sound 
> augmented otherwise it just sounds like a perfect 4th. GJB
> 
>      From: Lon Price <lonpr...@att.net>
> To: finale@shsu.edu 
> Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2016 11:26 AM
> Subject: Re: [Finale] chord question
> 
> B-9#5
> 
>> On Jul 29, 2016, at 4:39 PM, GERALD BERG <gj.b...@rogers.com> wrote:
>> 
>> blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px 
>> #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; 
>> background-color:white !important; }  I think to call something a flat 6th 
>> you need a fifth. You have a G/D thing happening.
>> 
>> GJB
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>> 
>> On Friday, July 29, 2016, 7:12 PM, Haroldo Mauro <hma...@hmauro.com> wrote:
>> 
>> It sounds like a G Major chord with added 9th and #11 - no 7th
>> 
>> Harold
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 29/07/2016, at 19:56, martin nickless wrote:
>> 
>>> hi regarding B-9 [b6]
>>> 
>>> the notes are from bottom up
>>> 
>>> B A D G Db
>>> 
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Re: [Finale] chord question

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Problem there is a #5 needs a major third (D# in this case) to sound augmented 
otherwise it just sounds like a perfect 4th. GJB

  From: Lon Price <lonpr...@att.net>
 To: finale@shsu.edu 
 Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2016 11:26 AM
 Subject: Re: [Finale] chord question
   
B-9#5

> On Jul 29, 2016, at 4:39 PM, GERALD BERG <gj.b...@rogers.com> wrote:
> 
> blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px 
> #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white 
> !important; }  I think to call something a flat 6th you need a fifth. You 
> have a G/D thing happening.
> 
> GJB
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> 
> 
> On Friday, July 29, 2016, 7:12 PM, Haroldo Mauro <hma...@hmauro.com> wrote:
> 
> It sounds like a G Major chord with added 9th and #11 - no 7th
> 
> Harold
> 
> 
> 
> On 29/07/2016, at 19:56, martin nickless wrote:
> 
>> hi regarding B-9 [b6]
>> 
>> the notes are from bottom up
>> 
>> B A D G Db
>> 
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Re: [Finale] chord question

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 blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px 
#715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white 
!important; }  I think to call something a flat 6th you need a fifth. You have 
a G/D thing happening.

GJB
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On Friday, July 29, 2016, 7:12 PM, Haroldo Mauro  wrote:

It sounds like a G Major chord with added 9th and #11 - no 7th

Harold



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> hi regarding B-9 [b6]
> 
> the notes are from bottom up
> 
> B A D G Db
> 
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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

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Professional Composer and Professional Performer!  A 2 floppy disk tag team as 
i recall.  I  miss it for composing. The time signature and bar line was an 
after thought whereas in Finale it is a before you begin kind of thing. GJB

  From: David Froom 
 To: finale@shsu.edu 
 Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 1:28 PM
 Subject: Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...
   
Another since-v.1 user here. Prior to that, I tried using MOTU Professional 
Composer. I still have a score that used MOTU for notes only, and I drew in 
slurs, dynamics, articulations by hand (which I was OK with because I’m of the 
generation that had a Pelikan fountain pen with a music nib, a set of raised 
rulers, and an electric eraser). I amuse my students by telling them that when 
I moved to from LA to NYC in 1979 to start a doctorate program, one could still 
find employment in downtown LA or midtown NYC in a room full of music scribes, 
all with pen and ink, dutifully writing out scores and parts for shows, bands, 
commercials, and the few composers who were getting big orchestral 
performances. We used to get our onion-skin paper and bring in the finished 
scores for blue-print printing at Circle Blue Print in NYC, Alpheus (which 
became Judy Green Music) in LA. Judy Green also had all the best paper and 
pencils (with double-sized erasers) and general supplies (pens, nibs, ink, 
special rulers). 

Then Finale! Did v.1 come out in 1988? Even on a Mac Plus, (files on one 
floppy, programs on the other — remember the repeated disk swapping?), and pre 
smart shapes (when you had to generate each slur as an independent graphic), 
and tiny computer screens, it was worth the effort — if only because fixing 
mistakes was faster, and, with enough fussing, you could get something that 
actually looked pretty good!  I think it was finally around the mid 1990s that 
Finale became faster than doing it by hand.

David Froom
 
> On 13 Jul 2016, at 1:00 PM,  
>  wrote:
> 
>> Same as Dennis here--around 1989, quit MusicPrinter plus and got Finale
>> 2.x for my 386 computer . Strayed a couple of times along the way and now
>> 80% Finale, 20% Sibelius.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.
>> 
>>> On Jul 13, 2016, at 12:39 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz <
>> bath...@maltedmedia.com> wrote:
>>> 
 On Wed, July 13, 2016 12:35 pm, Chuck Israels wrote:
 Don?t know if there are others here with the same history, but I have
>> used
 Finale since v.1.0.  Nevertheless, there are a number of others whose
 knowledge of the program runs considerably deeper than mine, including
>> the
 always reliable Christopher Smith.
>>> 
>>> Indeed! I didn't start with version 1 because there was no Windows
>> version
>>> until version 2.
>>> 
>>> Dennis
>>> 


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Re: [Finale] Moving Overlapping Rests in Opposing Direction

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 blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px 
#715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white 
!important; }  Not sure if this idea would work. Create the rest scenario only, 
in a further layer then copy that with the hide layer function.
GJB

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 wrote:

I hear you about your rest issue. It is a real problem, especially in piano 
music, where the offset between two layers needs to be different from one 
passage to another, heck, even from one bar to another!

My way of dealing with that was to use the usual layer offsets (+6 for stems 
up, -6 for stems down) as a baseline default and adjust individual rests on an 
as-needed basis. The Move Rests plugin is useful for large swathes of similar 
adjustments, but it doesn’t differentiate between different rest values, which 
is what I think you need. Have you looked into JW Change? That might have 
something that will help. I found nothing in TG Tools Pro.

I was going to suggest that maybe rest alterations could be copied from one 
measure to another the way stem and notehead alterations can, but I see no way 
to do that.

Christopher


> On Jun 8, 2016, at 4:35 AM, Giovanni Andreani  
> wrote:
> 
> I'm back after a long-term forced separation with this list, and do really 
> need someone's advice about an unusual graphic layout problem I incurred in 
> and for which I havn't found any convenient solution.
> Here's the issue: I have different duration rests in layers one and two 
> overlapping; I haven't checked out the 'Adjust Floating Rests' for these two 
> layers in Document Options because I need to have them floating at different 
> steps from case to case, obviously within the same piece. Up to now, I have 
> accomplished this effectively by using staff styles but, unfortunately, the 
> Staff Setup window don't distinguish smaller rests than the half rest,only  
> allowing to separate at various different distances, any combination between 
> rests equal o bigger than the half rest while grouping all other small rests 
> in one category named 'Other Rests'. I found myself stuck when in the need to 
> separate two differen rests smaller than the half rest, like a quarter rest 
> and an eight rest; the staff style will move the two in the same direction 
> while, in other cases, I was able to overlap two different staff styles 
> placing the rests in opposite directions.
> 
> Any hint?
> Giovanni
> 
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Re: [Finale] Getting JABB and GPO to work in Finale 2014.5 Mac + ARIA

[GERALD BERG]

Yes. Definitely one for the archives! GJB

  From: David H. Bailey 
 To: finale@shsu.edu 
 Sent: Wednesday, May 4, 2016 1:25 PM
 Subject: Re: [Finale] Getting JABB and GPO to work in Finale 2014.5 Mac + ARIA
   
On 5/4/2016 12:27 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote:
> So, eventually, after tediously trying multiple installs, I finally managed 
> to manually locate and remove all Garritan and Plogue files from my computer. 
> I had had already tried Library/Application Support, ~/Library/Application 
> Support, and ~/Library/Preferences, but it turns out there are also files in 
> Library/Audio that need to be removed to get a clean reinstall. (ARIA really 
> needs to come with an uninstaller.)
>
> I also had to remove all sample files.
>
> After that, doing a complete reinstall in the following order worked:
>
> GPO4
> JABB3
> Finale 2014.5 (Garritan Instruments and ARIA player)
> ARIA Player v1.872
>
> An absolute nightmare that took untold hours, but at least I’ve got the GPO 
> and JABB instruments back.
>
> In future, it would be nice to know if there were a less brute-force method.
>

Wow -- what a nightmare!  I'm sorry you had such a tough time with it!

Thank you for sharing it with the list in case that problem happens to 
someone else.



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Re: [Finale] blank staff style

[GERALD BERG]

Why not do 1 measure per system?  Saves all the fuss. GJB

  From: dc 
 To: finale@shsu.edu 
 Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 1:49 PM
 Subject: [Finale] blank staff style
   
Finale 2008:

I wanted to print out empty staves. So I defined a staff style where 
under Items to display EVERYTHING is unticked. Applied it to the whole 
page. But I still have rests, clefs, bar-lines, and time signature!

What am I doing wrong?

How can I get of everything except the staff lines?

Thanks.

Dennis

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Re: [Finale] Problem converting older file (1999)

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My last FINMAC version was 2005 before 2014.  I first updated my older files to 
2005 then went again to 2014 - a 2 stage solution.  That went OK.  I opened  
one again in 2014.5 and that went horrible.  So bad I shut it down and not 
looked at 2014.5 since. GJB

  From: Eric Fiedler 
 To: ""  
 Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 2:38 PM
 Subject: [Finale] Problem converting older file (1999)
   
Friends,
REcently I’ve been trying to bring some older files from the last century 
(1999; what version of Finale would _that_ have been?) up to date for second 
editions. Although FinMac 2012c has done a pretty good job, there have been 
several glitches. The most annoying: all the half-note rests in the documents 
have been replaced with (bb) (two flat signs in parenthesis. I have tried 
reentry of course, but that didnt help. The character mapping seems to have 
changed between (what was probably) Petrucci and Maestro. Any suggestions as to 
how I should deal with this, that is, replace the (bb)s with half-rests?
Thanks for any and all thoughts on this!
Eric 
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Re: [Finale] Stray things on PDF that I can't find

[GERALD BERG]

Lee apologized for Bullwhatzitz being PC only. I was curious but found Graeme's 
point helpful to be less so.
I appreciated it. GJB

  From: David H. Bailey 
 To: finale@shsu.edu 
 Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2016 5:09 AM
 Subject: Re: [Finale] Stray things on PDF that I can't find
   
On 2/12/2016 10:35 PM, Graeme Gerrard wrote:
> Mac people don’t have these problems.  Printing to PDF from any application 
> has been a built in feature for several years.

And your point is . . . ?  How does that comment help a Windows user who 
is asking for help with creating a PDF?


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Re: [Finale] Always skip first ending

[GERALD BERG]

Brilliant David! GJB
 

  From: David H. Bailey 
 To: finale@shsu.edu 
 Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 6:05 PM
 Subject: Re: [Finale] Always skip first ending
   

On 1/12/2016 1:05 PM, Robert Patterson wrote:
> Is there away to set an ending always to be skipped? I have an optional 1st
> ending that I never want to hear in playback, regardless of "Ignore
> Repeats" settings. The option to skip the ending is not jumping out at me.

I don't see any easy way, but the workaround I've found isn't too onerous:
1) in the repeat tool duplicate the D.S. al Fine instruction and edit
the font to be hidden.
2) select this new hidden D.S. al Fine in the repeat tool and set the
target measure number to be the start of the 2nd ending.

This worked in my short 3 measure example so I see no reason why it
shouldn't work for you in a more major piece.


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Re: [Finale] Is everyone allright?

[GERALD BERG]

I think many people are still missing. GJB
  From: Raymond Horton 
 To: finale@shsu.edu 
 Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2015 6:31 PM
 Subject: Re: [Finale] Is everyone allright?
   
No Finale complaints, lately, at least from me!  (Knock on wood.)
On Oct 6, 2015 5:16 PM, "Barbara Touburg"  wrote:

> I haven't received any messages for the last two days. Am I banned again?
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Re: [Finale] Pythagorean Tuning

[GERALD BERG]

Figured it.   Audio banks and effects.  I had dual with soft synth playback 
going also.  Clanging what?
Very cool tunings!
Next Q: Is it possible to have two tunings going at the same time? GJB
  From: GERALD BERG <gj.b...@rogers.com>
 To: "finale@shsu.edu" <finale@shsu.edu> 
 Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 1:12 PM
 Subject: [Finale] Pythagorean Tuning
   
Hi all
I see that in the ARIA Player one can load alternate tunings via the Scala 
File.  Way cool!  Is there a way to access these tunings for playback via 
Finale?  I understand the "raise by quarter tone " expression function but I 
don't need additional tones I want to alter the equal temperament aspect 
entirely.
GJB


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[Finale] Pythagorean Tuning

[GERALD BERG]

Hi all
I see that in the ARIA Player one can load alternate tunings via the Scala 
File.  Way cool!  Is there a way to access these tunings for playback via 
Finale?  I understand the "raise by quarter tone " expression function but I 
don't need additional tones I want to alter the equal temperament aspect 
entirely.
GJB
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Re: [Finale] From your friendly list owner

[GERALD BERG]

I did too. I just re subscribed.  I've been getting spammed from myself so 
assumed this was part of it.  Everything is fine now. GJB
  From: Lawrence David Eden lde...@comcast.net
 To: FinaleList finale@SHSU.EDU 
 Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2015 12:39 PM
 Subject: Re: [Finale] From your friendly list owner
   
I recently got a message from the Finale List telling me that I had too many 
bounced messages and that I was being removed from the List.  I have not sent 
any mail to the list, so I think the problem is coming from SHSU.  

Please advise.

Larry Eden




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 I have contacted our IT for an explanation for all of you, though Chuck may 
 have a solution for you.
 
 I will let everyone know soon as possible.
 
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Re: [Finale] what the fook

[GERALD BERG]

Not on my feed. GJB
  From: rglan rg...@free.fr
 To: finale@shsu.edu 
 Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 7:38 PM
 Subject: [Finale] what the fook
   
What is all this crap that fills posts on this 
list ? What is generating it ? Is it Yahoo ? 
Vraiment dégueulasse X;{

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Re: [Finale] F2014 shape expression designer more instable than ever?

[GERALD BERG]

You working on old scores like me?  In that department FinMac 2014whatever can 
be perfectly Dionysian. GJB
  From: shirl...@newmusicnotation.com shirl...@newmusicnotation.com
 To: finale@shsu.edu 
 Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 4:24 PM
 Subject: [Finale] F2014 shape expression designer more instable than ever?
   
 
(on mac/yosemite) anyone else noticing more crashes than normal when accessing
various menus, changing line thicknesses etc. when designing shape expressions?
 
i always found this frustrating but came across the problem from a brand new
document created from the finale defaults as well.
 
it really sux ass.
 
 
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Re: [Finale] Line

[GERALD BERG]

Those fast 16th note passages are faster than the tempo would indicate.  Nor do 
they seem as fast as 32nd notes.  I always took that sort of  'feel' to be 16th 
notes at the quarter note triplet level. At least that has give to swing.  I 
would assume the brackets indicate an 'out of time' element at the notation 
level. Other times I'm not so sure.
GJB
  From: Christopher Smith christopher.sm...@videotron.ca
 To: finale@shsu.edu 
 Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2015 5:41 PM
 Subject: Re: [Finale] Line
   

On Thu Jul 2, at ThursdayJul 2 4:52 PM, Barbara Touburg wrote:

 On 2-7-2015 22:44, Darcy James Argue wrote:
 This is a dismayingly wrong-headed, over-literal transcription.
 
 I know, I know. I'm taking the pedantry out. :)
 But what do these lines mean?

Thank goodness you are doing that! This transcriber doesn't seem to hear ground 
pulse at all. Bill Evans had time so good he was almost a mutant, and we can 
hear it perfectly even in his rubato playing. Darcy introduced me to an 
excellent term for this; he calls it rhythmic authority. It means the player 
may not be putting rhythms down exactly according to the metronome, but he 
knows (and we can hear) exactly what his relationship to the ground pulse is. I 
had never heard it expressed so specifically before, and I use it all the time 
now.

I thought at first the brackets might be a pedal marking, but no, it was only a 
coincidence at first. It seems that it might be an indication where Bill goes 
from separately articulated notes to a more legato phrasing. Perhaps any other 
writer would put a slur over the phrase. There is so much needless stuff in 
this notation that I would question the very need to indicate some of what he 
notated.

Christopher



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Re: [Finale] Hide ties

[GERALD BERG]

How about just dragging it off the printed page?  I do that (with things) all 
the time! GJB
  From: Darcy James Argue djar...@icloud.com
 To: finale@shsu.edu 
 Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2015 4:58 PM
 Subject: [Finale] Hide ties
   
What's the easiest way to hide a tie? (Other than duplicating the notation 
without ties in another layer and hiding the playback layer, which is what I 
normally have to resort to.)

Cheers,

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Re: [Finale] Scales

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The book to have: Nicolaus Slonimsky Thesaurus of scales and melodic patterns.
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  From: Dennis Bathory-Kitsz bath...@maltedmedia.com
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 Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 8:02 AM
 Subject: Re: [Finale] Scales
   
On Sat, June 20, 2015 1:12 am, Col Bernau wrote:
 Some years ago in this group there was a really interesting and learned
 discussion on scales. Unfortunately for me that was several computers
 and email programs ago. The number of scales that sticks in my head is
 384 unique scales. Does anyone remember the discussion, or even still
 have it? I'd love to have a look at it again, and this time archive it.

August 11-14, 2002, I saved part of a discussion entitled Temperament Issues
OT ( Long).

I can forward those messages, or perhaps you can find them in the list archives.

Dennis




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Re: [Finale] Playback in Speedy

[GERALD BERG]

Thanks Chuck and Darcy.
Best GJB
  From: Chuck Israels cisra...@comcast.net
 To: finale@shsu.edu 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 6:25 PM
 Subject: Re: [Finale] Playback in Speedy
   
The way you describe is the way I have mine set up.  You set the MIDI/AUDIO - 
Device Setup to the MDID channel that has the piano sound assigned to it (not 
Smart MIDI).  I think that will work the way you prefer.  Sometimes, when you 
change pitch in a staff with Speedy from a note that has been already entered, 
the sound of that staff will play, but mostly I think this works the way you’d 
like it.  Hope I understood the question and that this helps.

Chuck


 On Jun 16, 2015, at 3:12 PM, GERALD BERG gj.b...@rogers.com wrote:
 
 Hi all
 
 Sometimes I prefer a piano sound while in Speedy entry mode and  'written' 
 instrument only for when I hit the Spacebar for Playback. Let's say violin 
 for the written instrument.
 Right now while in Speedy entry mode,  inside of the Speedy window frame,  as 
 I manually change a note the violin plays.  I just want plain old piano.
 Is there  a way to accomplish this and still keep the Spacebar for Playback 
 on violin?
 Thanks in advance. GJB
 
 
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[Finale] Playback in Speedy

[GERALD BERG]

Hi all

Sometimes I prefer a piano sound while in Speedy entry mode and  'written' 
instrument only for when I hit the Spacebar for Playback. Let's say violin for 
the written instrument.
Right now while in Speedy entry mode,  inside of the Speedy window frame,  as I 
manually change a note the violin plays.   I just want plain old piano.
Is there  a way to accomplish this and still keep the Spacebar for Playback on 
violin?
Thanks in advance. GJB

  
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Re: [Finale] getting JABB brass mutes to work in playback

[GERALD BERG]

Manual has code for this under programing pizz. and arco.  127 is volume -- 
that and 4 for keyswithc is all I remember but 3 and 144 are standard entry 
figures. GJB
  From: Chuck Israels cisra...@comcast.net
 To: finale@shsu.edu 
 Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 2:11 PM
 Subject: [Finale] getting JABB brass mutes to work in playback
   
Hi everyone,

This has not worked for me in 2014 Mac and I finally called MM for a solution.  
This is what they said:

Edit each expression’s playback dialog.  For Cup Mute, choose “dump”from the 
“type” menu and enter these numbers in the boxes that appear in descending 
order: 3, 144, 4 and 127.  What I infer from that is that 3 chooses JABB, I 
don’t know what 144 does, 4 is the Key Switch, and the 127 is another mystery.  
When you close this playback editing dialog and reopen it, some of the numbers 
will look different (dollar signs appear!?), but MM says that’s normal.  You 
apply the same process for other mutes substituting the correct Key Switch 
numbers: 2 for Straight Mute; 5 for Harmon; 7 for Bucket Mute; and 0 for Open.  
There’s another procedure for Plunger - you choose “controller” instead of 
“dump” and then type in 16 in the window that opens.

I have done this but have yet to try it.  I saved the expression library, and 
if this works, I will apply it wherever I need it.

I am sending this in case it might be useful to others.

Chuck


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Re: [Finale] Finale Digest, Vol 143, Issue 10 (Knocking Sound)

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I have used the bongo -- not great either. GJB
  From: Dean Rosenthal deanrosent...@gmail.com
 To: finale@shsu.edu finale@shsu.edu 
 Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 7:50 PM
 Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale Digest, Vol 143, Issue 10 (Knocking Sound)
   
Hi Ryan,

I asked the same question a little while ago – no one who saw the request
at the time answered with exception of Gippo Mercoli who wrote:

In finale, with Garritan or midi I can't imagine other way: open a drum
track and process a single tom or bass drum shot.

If anyone who didn't see the question then or has had time to think about
has a better suggestion, please describe! I tried this suggestion above –
unsatisfactory.

Also, if anyone has *good* suggestions for virtual instruments other than
the bundled Garritan for guitar, I'd be into hearing about that – the
Garritan sounds aren't good enough for a client. Thanks!

Dean Rosenthal

On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 1:00 PM, finale-requ...@shsu.edu wrote:

 From: Ryan ry.squa...@gmail.com
 To: finale@shsu.edu finale@shsu.edu
 Cc:
 Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2015 10:28:59 -0700
 Subject: [Finale] knocking sound available in Garritan?
 Is there a Garritan sound that could pass for a knock or a tap on a string
 instrument (violin, viola, cello, bass)?

 I could replace with a percussion instrument, but was hoping to find
 something more accurate.

 Thanks!

 Ryan





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Re: [Finale] Text won't copy - import

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It's something I always have to look up.  It changes all the time Give us your 
full set up --  I am not on my MAC presently so can't help till later on that 
platform.GJB
  From: Raymond Horton horton.raym...@gmail.com
 To: finale@shsu.edu 
 Sent: Friday, May 1, 2015 10:21 AM
 Subject: Re: [Finale] Text won't copy - import
   
OK, now I  beg your indulgence. I have used Finale since 1997, and been on
the list nearly that long.  I have read trash your preferences many
times, but how do I do that?
On May 1, 2015 9:56 AM, GERALD BERG gj.b...@rogers.com wrote:

 As a matter of course trash your prefs? GJB
      From: Raymond Horton horton.raym...@gmail.com
  To: finale@shsu.edu
  Sent: Friday, May 1, 2015 8:49 AM
  Subject: Re: [Finale] Text won't copy - import

 Ctrl/V.  Is there another I can try?
 On May 1, 2015 8:46 AM, Lawrence Yates yateslawre...@gmail.com wrote:

  What keys are you pressing to copy the text?  Usually I use shift/insert
 to
  insert text but in Finale I have to use cntrl/V
 
  Cheers,
 
  Lawrence
 
  On 1 May 2015 at 13:28, Raymond Horton horton.raym...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   Damned if I know...
   On May 1, 2015 6:35 AM, David H. Bailey dhbaile...@comcast.net
  wrote:
  
Okay, Ray, spill the beans -- just what did you do to anger the music
engraving gods that they would visit such a pestilence upon you?  ;-)
   
Good luck!
David
   
On 4/30/2015 12:56 PM, Raymond Horton wrote:
 I'm reinstalling Finale on my desktop now, with fingers crossed!

 Here is where it got even bizarrer - Before
 uninstalling/reinstalling
 on my desktop, I tried to copy text into Finale on my laptop, and
 IT
 DOESNT WORK EITHER!!!
 Raymond Horton
 Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra
 Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) UMC
 Composer, Arranger
 VISIT US AT rayhortonmusic.com


  
 
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Re: [Finale] Text won't copy - import

[GERALD BERG]

As a matter of course trash your prefs? GJB
  From: Raymond Horton horton.raym...@gmail.com
 To: finale@shsu.edu 
 Sent: Friday, May 1, 2015 8:49 AM
 Subject: Re: [Finale] Text won't copy - import
   
Ctrl/V.  Is there another I can try?
On May 1, 2015 8:46 AM, Lawrence Yates yateslawre...@gmail.com wrote:

 What keys are you pressing to copy the text?  Usually I use shift/insert to
 insert text but in Finale I have to use cntrl/V

 Cheers,

 Lawrence

 On 1 May 2015 at 13:28, Raymond Horton horton.raym...@gmail.com wrote:

  Damned if I know...
  On May 1, 2015 6:35 AM, David H. Bailey dhbaile...@comcast.net
 wrote:
 
   Okay, Ray, spill the beans -- just what did you do to anger the music
   engraving gods that they would visit such a pestilence upon you?  ;-)
  
   Good luck!
   David
  
   On 4/30/2015 12:56 PM, Raymond Horton wrote:
I'm reinstalling Finale on my desktop now, with fingers crossed!
   
Here is where it got even bizarrer - Before uninstalling/reinstalling
on my desktop, I tried to copy text into Finale on my laptop, and IT
DOESNT WORK EITHER!!!
Raymond Horton
Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra
Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) UMC
Composer, Arranger
VISIT US AT rayhortonmusic.com
   
   
 

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Re: [Finale] Text won't copy - import

[GERALD BERG]

Here it is:
Finale preferences file
|   |
|   |  |   |   |   |   |   |
| Finale preferences fileYou are here: What does this do...  Program Defaults 
 Finale preferences files Finale preferences file  |
|  |
| View on www.finalemusic.com | Preview by Yahoo |
|  |
|   |

   GJB
  From: Raymond Horton horton.raym...@gmail.com
 To: finale@shsu.edu 
 Sent: Friday, May 1, 2015 10:21 AM
 Subject: Re: [Finale] Text won't copy - import
   
OK, now I  beg your indulgence. I have used Finale since 1997, and been on
the list nearly that long.  I have read trash your preferences many
times, but how do I do that?
On May 1, 2015 9:56 AM, GERALD BERG gj.b...@rogers.com wrote:

 As a matter of course trash your prefs? GJB
      From: Raymond Horton horton.raym...@gmail.com
  To: finale@shsu.edu
  Sent: Friday, May 1, 2015 8:49 AM
  Subject: Re: [Finale] Text won't copy - import

 Ctrl/V.  Is there another I can try?
 On May 1, 2015 8:46 AM, Lawrence Yates yateslawre...@gmail.com wrote:

  What keys are you pressing to copy the text?  Usually I use shift/insert
 to
  insert text but in Finale I have to use cntrl/V
 
  Cheers,
 
  Lawrence
 
  On 1 May 2015 at 13:28, Raymond Horton horton.raym...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   Damned if I know...
   On May 1, 2015 6:35 AM, David H. Bailey dhbaile...@comcast.net
  wrote:
  
Okay, Ray, spill the beans -- just what did you do to anger the music
engraving gods that they would visit such a pestilence upon you?  ;-)
   
Good luck!
David
   
On 4/30/2015 12:56 PM, Raymond Horton wrote:
 I'm reinstalling Finale on my desktop now, with fingers crossed!

 Here is where it got even bizarrer - Before
 uninstalling/reinstalling
 on my desktop, I tried to copy text into Finale on my laptop, and
 IT
 DOESNT WORK EITHER!!!
 Raymond Horton
 Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra
 Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) UMC
 Composer, Arranger
 VISIT US AT rayhortonmusic.com


  
 
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Re: [Finale] Text won't copy - import

[GERALD BERG]

Well that didn't work!  Looked before I sent.  Just go to Finale Help and 
search with the word trash GJB
  From: GERALD BERG gj.b...@rogers.com
 To: finale@shsu.edu finale@shsu.edu 
 Sent: Friday, May 1, 2015 12:11 PM
 Subject: Re: [Finale] Text won't copy - import
   
Here it is:
Finale preferences file
|   |
|   |  |   |   |   |   |   |
| Finale preferences fileYou are here: What does this do...  Program Defaults 
 Finale preferences files Finale preferences file  |
|  |
| View on www.finalemusic.com | Preview by Yahoo |
|  |
|   |

   GJB
      From: Raymond Horton horton.raym...@gmail.com
 To: finale@shsu.edu 
 Sent: Friday, May 1, 2015 10:21 AM
 Subject: Re: [Finale] Text won't copy - import
  
OK, now I  beg your indulgence. I have used Finale since 1997, and been on
the list nearly that long.  I have read trash your preferences many
times, but how do I do that?
On May 1, 2015 9:56 AM, GERALD BERG gj.b...@rogers.com wrote:

 As a matter of course trash your prefs? GJB
      From: Raymond Horton horton.raym...@gmail.com
  To: finale@shsu.edu
  Sent: Friday, May 1, 2015 8:49 AM
  Subject: Re: [Finale] Text won't copy - import

 Ctrl/V.  Is there another I can try?
 On May 1, 2015 8:46 AM, Lawrence Yates yateslawre...@gmail.com wrote:

  What keys are you pressing to copy the text?  Usually I use shift/insert
 to
  insert text but in Finale I have to use cntrl/V
 
  Cheers,
 
  Lawrence
 
  On 1 May 2015 at 13:28, Raymond Horton horton.raym...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   Damned if I know...
   On May 1, 2015 6:35 AM, David H. Bailey dhbaile...@comcast.net
  wrote:
  
Okay, Ray, spill the beans -- just what did you do to anger the music
engraving gods that they would visit such a pestilence upon you?  ;-)
   
Good luck!
David
   
On 4/30/2015 12:56 PM, Raymond Horton wrote:
 I'm reinstalling Finale on my desktop now, with fingers crossed!

 Here is where it got even bizarrer - Before
 uninstalling/reinstalling
 on my desktop, I tried to copy text into Finale on my laptop, and
 IT
 DOESNT WORK EITHER!!!
 Raymond Horton
 Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra
 Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) UMC
 Composer, Arranger
 VISIT US AT rayhortonmusic.com


  
 
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Re: [Finale] FinWin 2014 Handle size and colour?

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Thanks!  Been having the same problem... GJB
  From: Jari Williamsson jari.williams...@mailbox.swipnet.se
 To: finale@shsu.edu 
 Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2015 5:10 PM
 Subject: Re: [Finale] FinWin 2014 Handle size and colour?
   
On 2015-04-28 23:03, Patsy Moore wrote:

 Please can anyone tell me a way to make Finale handles bigger, and get them
 showing just a plain outline? At the moment I find them too small for ease
 of use and they seem to have grey shading within the square frame.

Select Edit/Preferences...
The View page contains the settings Handle Size (increase that 
value) and Transparent Handles (uncheck that one).


Best regards,

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Re: [Finale] Lyrics Tool issues

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Also watch for lyric placement defaults.  Each verse will enter on lower 
default level so they should be changed also.GJB
  From: dc den...@free.fr
 To: finale@shsu.edu 
 Sent: Friday, March 27, 2015 2:32 AM
 Subject: Re: [Finale] Lyrics Tool issues
   
Le 26/03/2015 23:44, Stephen Cronin écrit :
 Any ideas for avoiding these issues?

The best solution is to enter the lyrics for each voice as different 
verses: soprano=verse 1, alto=verse 2. I enter the text in the Edit 
lyrics box, and then Click assign. If you make a change in one voice, 
you're sure it won't affect the others. Also, NEVER use the same lyrics 
twice, even in the same voice. If a word or a phrase or a whole sentence 
is repeated, it should be repeated in the text box, and NOT click 
assigned twice.

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Re: [Finale] Changing slurred 8ths to 8th-16th

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Why not just say non portato  and leave it at that?  Seems a waste of 
perfectly legible notation.  What if the brass have the same figure for 
example?  2 different notations for the same figure on the same page?  That is 
confusing!   GJB
  From: Darcy James Argue djar...@icloud.com
 To: finale@shsu.edu 
 Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 11:25 PM
 Subject: Re: [Finale] Changing slurred 8ths to 8th-16th
   
Yes, that solution seems infinitely preferable to filling out all the beats 
with rests.

Cheers,

- DJA
-
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 On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 7:11 PM, Chuck Israels cisra...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 I guess I could just show a down-bow on the first pair and an up-bow on
 the second pair.)
 
 
 ​That works​!
 
 
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Re: [Finale] Next problem: Undo

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And reboot!

 GJB
  From: Chuck Israels cisra...@comcast.net
 To: finale@shsu.edu 
 Sent: Saturday, March 7, 2015 2:01 PM
 Subject: Re: [Finale] Next problem: Undo
   
Barbara,

I had this problem months ago - before the update of 2014.  I wish I could be 
sure I remember how it was resolved.  What I think I remember was that it was a 
result of corrupted preferences.  I suggest deleting the current preference 
file.  I hope you keep copies when you create your preference files.

This is a serious bug, if it cannot be easily resolved.  I have not had the 
problem appear within the last few months of work.

Chuck


 On Mar 7, 2015, at 10:20 AM, Barbara Touburg btoub...@online.nl wrote:
 
 Undo suddenly doesnt work anymore. Two days ago it did work.
 Allow Undo is checked. Allow Undo past save is checked. Maximum undo 
 levels is zero.
 Windows 7, FinWin 2008a.
 Any help would be very appreciated!
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[Finale] Finale: Ask a question

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 I've not been able to access the Finale web site: ASK a Question section.  
Every time I hit the button it takes back to the main page and not to a place 
for Q's.  This happen last time I tried and where the powers that be at Coda 
Music  told me to change my web browser away from Safari.  (really teed me 
that!)  So here I am 1 year later with Chrome and still the same thing.  Anyone 
else having problems like that?
This click playback no function is getting on my nerves!
Best
GJB
  
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Re: [Finale] Finale: Ask a question

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Hilarious (not)  Phones don't work either!  Is there really a company called 
CODA or is it all fly by night.  I know I have a program... GJB
  From: GERALD BERG gj.b...@rogers.com
 To: finale@shsu.edu finale@shsu.edu 
 Sent: Friday, March 6, 2015 9:49 AM
 Subject: [Finale] Finale: Ask a question
   
 I've not been able to access the Finale web site: ASK a Question section.  
Every time I hit the button it takes back to the main page and not to a place 
for Q's.  This happen last time I tried and where the powers that be at Coda 
Music  told me to change my web browser away from Safari.  (really teed me 
that!)  So here I am 1 year later with Chrome and still the same thing.  Anyone 
else having problems like that?
This click playback no function is getting on my nerves!
Best
GJB


  
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Re: [Finale] Finale: Ask a question

[GERALD BERG]

Firefox!  Not a 3rd browser please.  No dice still. 
 Just a circle -- login -- go to FINALE  click CONTACT US -- click ASK a Q-- 
BOOM Main page again but already logged in.  At least that works...

 GJB
  From: Jan Angermüller j...@angermueller.com
 To: finale@shsu.edu 
 Sent: Friday, March 6, 2015 11:07 AM
 Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale: Ask a question
   
Works fine for me, I just submitted a bug report through Firefox.
Just to make sure you have the correct url,
this is the one I am using: http://makemusic.custhelp.com/app/ask/

Best regards,
Jan

Am 06.03.2015 um 16:57 schrieb GERALD BERG:
 Hilarious (not)  Phones don't work either!  Is there really a company called 
 CODA or is it all fly by night.  I know I have a program... GJB
        From: GERALD BERG gj.b...@rogers.com
  To: finale@shsu.edu finale@shsu.edu
  Sent: Friday, March 6, 2015 9:49 AM
  Subject: [Finale] Finale: Ask a question
    
  I've not been able to access the Finale web site: ASK a Question section.  
Every time I hit the button it takes back to the main page and not to a place 
for Q's.  This happen last time I tried and where the powers that be at Coda 
Music  told me to change my web browser away from Safari.  (really teed me 
that!)  So here I am 1 year later with Chrome and still the same thing.  
Anyone else having problems like that?
 This click playback no function is getting on my nerves!
 Best
 GJB


    
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Re: [Finale] Finale: Ask a question

[GERALD BERG]

So I trashed prefs and emptied trash but this time rebooted.  All clear.
Now about that ASK A QUESTION...
Oh forget that...
Thanks Jan and Chris.
 CODA was 20 years ago?  Ow. That hurts!
 GJB
  From: GERALD BERG gj.b...@rogers.com
 To: finale@shsu.edu finale@shsu.edu 
 Sent: Friday, March 6, 2015 11:20 AM
 Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale: Ask a question
   
Firefox!  Not a 3rd browser please.  No dice still. 
 Just a circle -- login -- go to FINALE  click CONTACT US -- click ASK a Q-- 
BOOM Main page again but already logged in.  At least that works...

 GJB
      From: Jan Angermüller j...@angermueller.com
 To: finale@shsu.edu 
 Sent: Friday, March 6, 2015 11:07 AM
 Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale: Ask a question
  
Works fine for me, I just submitted a bug report through Firefox.
Just to make sure you have the correct url,
this is the one I am using: http://makemusic.custhelp.com/app/ask/

Best regards,
Jan

Am 06.03.2015 um 16:57 schrieb GERALD BERG:
 Hilarious (not)  Phones don't work either!  Is there really a company called 
 CODA or is it all fly by night.  I know I have a program... GJB
        From: GERALD BERG gj.b...@rogers.com
  To: finale@shsu.edu finale@shsu.edu
  Sent: Friday, March 6, 2015 9:49 AM
  Subject: [Finale] Finale: Ask a question
    
  I've not been able to access the Finale web site: ASK a Question section.  
Every time I hit the button it takes back to the main page and not to a place 
for Q's.  This happen last time I tried and where the powers that be at Coda 
Music  told me to change my web browser away from Safari.  (really teed me 
that!)  So here I am 1 year later with Chrome and still the same thing.  
Anyone else having problems like that?
 This click playback no function is getting on my nerves!
 Best
 GJB


    
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Re: [Finale] Spacebar/Click playback had disappeared

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Thanks Dean.  All solved.  trashed prefs and rebooted GJB
  From: Dean Rosenthal deanrosent...@gmail.com
 To: finale@shsu.edu finale@shsu.edu 
 Sent: Friday, March 6, 2015 1:06 PM
 Subject: [Finale] Spacebar/Click playback had disappeared
   
Check to make sure that you have Human Playback turned off.

Dean

On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 1:00 PM, finale-requ...@shsu.edu wrote:

 -- Forwarded message --
 From: GERALD BERG gj.b...@rogers.com
 To: finale@shsu.edu finale@shsu.edu
 Cc:
 Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2015 22:33:20 +
 Subject: [Finale] Spacebar/Click playback had disappeared
 Hi all
 Very weird.  I can playback via the playback window but can no longer
 Spacebar/click the score for instant playback.  I get no response.  I did
 something I shouldn't have but I can't figure what.  Anyone have ideas?
 Many thanks GJB





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[Finale] Spacebar/Click playback had disappeared

[GERALD BERG]

Hi all
Very weird.  I can playback via the playback window but can no longer 
Spacebar/click the score for instant playback.  I get no response.  I did 
something I shouldn't have but I can't figure what.  Anyone have ideas?
Many thanks GJB
  
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Re: [Finale] Help with cross-staff notes on stem above and below beam

[GERALD BERG]

Good Kludge work  Dennis!  Looks weird but clean.  I sure miss rests (where 
they would be) in the left hand.

GJB


On Wed, 2/25/15, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz bath...@maltedmedia.com wrote:

 Subject: Re: [Finale] Help with cross-staff notes on stem above and below beam
 To: finale@shsu.edu
 Date: Wednesday, February 25, 2015, 2:45 PM
 
 Here's what I
 mean:
 
 http://maltedmedia.com/images/finale/cross-staff-same-stem.jpg
 
 
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Re: [Finale] Crashes and AutoSave

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Can't say about autosave with the update (before yes) but FINMAC 2014d (is it?) 
still displays aberrant behavior (including the occasional crash) with inertia 
scrolling enabled.  I slowed it down and no crash so far but that is not a 
final assessment. GJB
  From: Dennis Bathory-Kitsz bath...@maltedmedia.com
 To: finale@shsu.edu 
 Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 2:54 PM
 Subject: Re: [Finale] Crashes and AutoSave
   
On Tue, February 17, 2015 2:38 pm, John Roberts wrote:
 Am I right that if* Finale 2014 crashes, as well as losing the file
 you're working on the AutoSave file disappears as well?

I've never had this kind of crash, but no matter. It could happen.

I save *incremental numbered versions* at every point where recreating all my
work is going to be more trouble than Save as

Finale files are relatively small compared with disk drive space. A recent
complex client score had numbers [Filename]0001 through [Filename]1487 -- and
took less than 2GB to hold them all. They were saved between 1 and 6 minutes
apart. Incremental saves give me a revert point if I make a serious error and
also protect against losing work due to crashes, cats, or stupidity.

I believe Mac requires some mousing, but on Windows my fingers are trained for
those 18 keystrokes: ALT, F, A, END, LEFT ARRO (x5), BCKSPC (x4), 4 new
digits, ENTER. Incremental file saved, work continues safely.

Dennis




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Re: [Finale] voices vs layers

[GERALD BERG]

Don
Is that as straight forward as it sounds?  I'll give it a try!  Thanks. GJB
  From: Don Hart donhartmu...@gmail.com
 To: finale@shsu.edu finale@shsu.edu 
 Sent: Monday, February 2, 2015 11:04 PM
 Subject: Re: [Finale] voices vs layers
   
Hi Gerald,

I recently started using expressions with hidden text to trigger pizz and
arco, and it even works with spacebar/click playback.  It's been very
helpful not waiting for HP to load each time I want to hear how a small
snippet of pizz or arco texture works in a score.

Don Hart

On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 1:46 PM, GERALD BERG gj.b...@rogers.com wrote:

 Another reason to utilize voices is because of midi commands such as pizz.
 and arco.  Layers are useful for differentiating between arco and pizz.
 without having to always playback from measure 1.  Voices become essential
 in that case to avoid snarling the procedure. GJB
      From: Brian Williams br...@barisax.net
  To: Finale Mailing List finale@shsu.edu
  Sent: Monday, February 2, 2015 2:30 PM
  Subject: Re: [Finale] voices vs layers

 I use voices all the time, especially in the following situations:

 1) Importing MIDI files that have divisis within tracks (MIDI import
 doesn't support divisis in layers, only voices)
 2) Entering drum set parts that have stems up/stems down notation on just
 a beat or two in a measure, or if I want to keep everything in one layer
 so that I can apply an alternate notation staff style and still hear
 playback.
 3) Situations where I want to have a divisi on just a beat or two in a
 measure. This happens most frequently in orchestral string staves.
 4) Stem up/stem down divisis where the rests are in common but the notes
 are different (only in versions prior to Finale 2014, which is the first
 version that lines up common rests between different layers)

 I haven't had any problems at all with entering, editing or deleting music
 in different voices, and I've become rather adept with the apostrophe key
 in Speedy Entry. There's a little indicator in the corner of the Speedy
 frame that tells you exactly the voice in which you are working, so it's
 quite easy to use.

 Another cool thing about voices is that you can control the vertical
 position of rests entered in voice 2 with the cursor position when you
 enter them.

 -Brian Williams

 On 2/2/15, 10:00 AM, finale-requ...@shsu.edu finale-requ...@shsu.edu
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 Message: 2
 Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 18:48:30 +0100
 From: SN jef chippewa shirl...@newmusicnotation.com
 Subject: [Finale] voices vs layers
 To: finale@shsu.edu
 Message-ID: p06240851d0f5680d6251@[192.168.1.29]
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
 
 
 i remember hating using voices (as opposed to separate layers) but
 thought i would try it out again and find i still hate it.  is there
 some amazing advantage of using voices that i am simply not aware of?
 i find it a total pain to use and obviously there is no way of seeing
 which music (stems up/dpwn) are in which voice when returning to
 voice-entered measures later.
 
 trying to edit or erase causes ridiculous behaviour (5-dotted 8th) or
 requires me to enter the measure from scratch again.  this makes me
 wonder about the stability of this thing when upgrading to a new
 version.
 
 is it just me?  or do voices really suck as badly as i feel right this
 moment?
 
 thanks.


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Re: [Finale] voices vs layers

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Another reason to utilize voices is because of midi commands such as pizz. and 
arco.  Layers are useful for differentiating between arco and pizz. without 
having to always playback from measure 1.  Voices become essential in that case 
to avoid snarling the procedure. GJB
  From: Brian Williams br...@barisax.net
 To: Finale Mailing List finale@shsu.edu 
 Sent: Monday, February 2, 2015 2:30 PM
 Subject: Re: [Finale] voices vs layers
   
I use voices all the time, especially in the following situations:

1) Importing MIDI files that have divisis within tracks (MIDI import
doesn't support divisis in layers, only voices)
2) Entering drum set parts that have stems up/stems down notation on just
a beat or two in a measure, or if I want to keep everything in one layer
so that I can apply an alternate notation staff style and still hear
playback.
3) Situations where I want to have a divisi on just a beat or two in a
measure. This happens most frequently in orchestral string staves.
4) Stem up/stem down divisis where the rests are in common but the notes
are different (only in versions prior to Finale 2014, which is the first
version that lines up common rests between different layers)

I haven't had any problems at all with entering, editing or deleting music
in different voices, and I've become rather adept with the apostrophe key
in Speedy Entry. There's a little indicator in the corner of the Speedy
frame that tells you exactly the voice in which you are working, so it's
quite easy to use.

Another cool thing about voices is that you can control the vertical
position of rests entered in voice 2 with the cursor position when you
enter them.

-Brian Williams

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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 18:48:30 +0100
From: SN jef chippewa shirl...@newmusicnotation.com
Subject: [Finale] voices vs layers
To: finale@shsu.edu
Message-ID: p06240851d0f5680d6251@[192.168.1.29]
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed


i remember hating using voices (as opposed to separate layers) but
thought i would try it out again and find i still hate it.  is there
some amazing advantage of using voices that i am simply not aware of?
i find it a total pain to use and obviously there is no way of seeing
which music (stems up/dpwn) are in which voice when returning to
voice-entered measures later.

trying to edit or erase causes ridiculous behaviour (5-dotted 8th) or
requires me to enter the measure from scratch again.  this makes me
wonder about the stability of this thing when upgrading to a new
version.

is it just me?  or do voices really suck as badly as i feel right this
moment?

thanks.


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[Finale] Finale window pane problem

[GERALD BERG]

Hi all
Updated to latest FINMAC14 version. Now, what was a surmountable problem has 
become chronic.  The window pane is cut off on the left side.  If one looks at 
bottom left I can see the bar number inset and the right scroll arrow -- the 
left scroll arrow is inaccessible.  This lacunae extends into the score area 
itself.  Some kind of incompatibility but what?  Any suggestions appreciated.
Jerry  
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Re: [Finale] Yosemite Problem?

[GERALD BERG]

Mine works fine.  Perhaps drivers? GJB
  From: Alberto Guzmán Naranjo albe...@gmail.com
 To: Finale lista de correo Finale@shsu.edu 
 Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 11:30 AM
 Subject: [Finale] Yosemite Problem?
   
I upgraded my iMac to Yosemite 10.10.1. I then installed Finale 2014c and
I'm getting problems with Garrison and Aria player. It's not working at
all. Anyone have info?


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Profesor Titular Universidad del Valle
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Re: [Finale] Drum rolls (help)

[GERALD BERG]

It use to be (back in FINMAC 2005) that Garritan had two controls -- 1 for 
volume and one for force of attack.  I always found with percussion 
(membranophones) that it was better to play with force of attack.  I have not 
had to go there lately -- so cannot vouchsafe further on the matter.   I use to 
notate my drum rolls in full for playback and increase the attack level 
throughout to get a reasonable sounding cresc.

GJB
 


 From: Dennis Bathory-Kitsz bath...@maltedmedia.com
To: finale@shsu.edu 
Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2014 2:57:22 PM
Subject: [Finale] Drum rolls (help)
  

Re my drum roll request: Finale Windows 2014.

Dennis







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Re: [Finale] arco vs.pizz dynamics (repeated question)

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A very unsatisfactory solution is to put arco and pizz(a). in different layers 
with different midi channels hence different dynamics...very cheesy!
 
GJB



 From: dr.a.s. weinstangel dr...@hotmail.com
To: finale@shsu.edu finale@shsu.edu 
Sent: Wednesday, May 7, 2014 5:32:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Finale] arco vs.pizz dynamics (repeated question)
 

Thank you David and Raymond;

Now I know the (ugly) truth! For a half-decent playback I just may have to copy 
onto additional staves the arco material that needs to be heard through the 
pizz. fireworks :-(

Best,

Dr.A.S.Weinstangel

sasha.weinstan...@utoronto.ca
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 Date: Wed, 7 May 2014 17:20:07 -0400
 From: dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com
 To: finale@shsu.edu
 Subject: Re: [Finale] arco vs.pizz dynamics (repeated question)
 
 I believe the problem lies in the fact that the two different sample 
 sets were not recorded at the same volume level.  Apparently the 
 pizzicatos were recorded much louder than the arcos, so at the same 
 indicated dynamic level in your score they won't sound at the same volume.
 
 This is my biggest gripe about all the sample sets I've listened to (and 
 most that I've purchased, alas!) -- the designers of the sample sets 
 don't take the extra time to ensure that all the samples which pertain 
 to the same instrument sound at the same volume level when played by a 
 midi program at the same dynamic level.
 
 One solution is horribly painful in Finale -- it requires you to dig 
 into the midi editing capabilities (sort of like watching sausage being 
 made -- it's ugly, it's messy and it will turn you off ever wanting to 
 do it again) and adjust the velocity and/or the volume for each note 
 that you are unhappy with what you're hearing.
 
 One would think that it would be simpler than that, but it's not, from 
 my experience.
 
 And I think the reason you received no responses to your first query is 
 that nobody has an answer for you -- at least not one that's easy to 
 accomplish and won't take many hours/days to get things right with.
 
 I hope I'm wrong, but Raymond's reply indicates I may not be.  I gave up 
 worrying about such things long ago -- what's left of my sanity was too 
 valuable to me.  :-)
 
 Good luck!
 David H. Bailey
 
 
 On 5/7/2014 2:13 PM, dr.a.s. weinstangel wrote:
 
  As there was no response, I'll try one more time (He who asks shall find):
 
 
  From: dr...@hotmail.com
  To: finale@shsu.edu
  Subject: arco vs.pizz dynamics
  Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 16:23:04 -0400
 
 
 
 
  In the Finale (2012c PC) playback of my new string quartet I am getting 
  exploding pizzicatos and barely audible arcos.
 
  Is there a way to globally adjust the volumes of these independently, to 
  get an acceptable balance?
 
  TIA for your help.
 
  Dr.A.S.Weinstangel
 
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Re: [Finale] Files missing from list

[GERALD BERG]

TLI -- too little information.  Not sure what you want to do.  I know in WE 
preference there is something called PROGRAM where you can specify what program 
extensions WE is supposed to be able to recognize and associate to.

Best I got.
 
GJB



 From: Lawrence Yates yateslawre...@gmail.com
To: finale@shsu.edu 
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2014 2:31:33 PM
Subject: [Finale] Files missing from list
 

Hi Folks,

I always save Finale files to the same folder.  When I want to open a file
from within Finale all my files are listed.

However, when I use Window Explorer to open the folder not all the files
are there.  In particular, no files from the last month or so are there,
although there are others missing from the list too.  I can open all these
files from within Finale with no problem.

It's as though there is some kind of filter on my WE file list but to the
best of my knowledge I have never setup such a filter nor can I find any.

Has anybody any ideas please?

Cheers,

Lawrence

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Re: [Finale] Files missing from list

[GERALD BERG]

What about using a dropbox and loading from there?  Again, I may have missed 
the point...  
 
GJB



 From: Lawrence Yates yateslawre...@gmail.com
To: finale@shsu.edu 
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2014 4:29:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Finale] Files missing from list
 

Thanks David,

Been there, done that etc.  I've also tried creating a new folder and
adding files to that - all of them are visible in Finale and can be opened,
none of them are visible in WE.

I've tried changing the options in WE and that makes no difference.

I'm really at a loss to find an explanation.

Although I can open the files from within Finale, the problem came to light
when I needed to move some recent files to a USB stick in order to work on
them on my laptop.  I finished up having to open Finale, open the files,
Save As etc etc which took about twenty times as long as simply dragging
them in WE.

I'd be grateful for anything to try!

Cheers,

Lawrence




 Are you keeping Windows Explorer open all the time or re-starting it
 occasionally?

 If you are keeping Windows Explorer open all the time, it doesn't
 refresh what files it is showing automatically -- you need to hit F5 to
 get it to reread the files and folders it's displaying.

 If you have exited Windows Explorer and then restarted Windows Explorer
 and you still can't see the files, I've got no explanation.


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Re: [Finale] OT Bluetooth and Internet reception

[GERALD BERG]

Mac yes.  Not sure that is it.  I don't text and email infrequently.  By lack 
of response I'll guess it is peculiar to me.

Thanks Ryan.
 
GJB



 From: Ryan Beard ry.squa...@gmail.com
To: finale@shsu.edu finale@shsu.edu 
Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2014 7:27:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Finale] OT  Bluetooth and Internet reception
 

Mac?
The volume on my composer and iOS devices lowers whenever I get an alert for 
email, text, etc. Maybe the same thing is happening in your case?

Sent from my iPad


 On Apr 26, 2014, at 3:20 PM, GERALD BERG gj.b...@rogers.com wrote:
 
 Hi all
 
 I got a bluetooth enabled amp for my computer system.  As I was having a lot 
 of crashing behaviour I never used the feature.  Now that things have 
 stabilized somewhat I tried it out.  I noticed the sound keeps dropping out 
 momentarily while listening over the internet. Very annoying! It doesn't 
 occur while listening to my own music files (via iTunes for example) only 
 while on the internet.  Is this a usual occurrence or can I do something 
 about it?
 
 Thanks
  
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[Finale] OT Bluetooth and Internet reception

[GERALD BERG]

Hi all

I got a bluetooth enabled amp for my computer system.  As I was having a lot of 
crashing behaviour I never used the feature.  Now that things have stabilized 
somewhat I tried it out.  I noticed the sound keeps dropping out momentarily 
while listening over the internet. Very annoying! It doesn't occur while 
listening to my own music files (via iTunes for example) only while on the 
internet.  Is this a usual occurrence or can I do something about it?

Thanks
 
GJB
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Re: [Finale] Mac Mavericks and Secondary Maximized Windows

[GERALD BERG]

Not sure if I understand this.  Do you mean the double arrow on the top right 
of the window?  That does disappear when maximized window is evoked but if you 
tap the top of the screen the menu bar display appears and the double arrow 
appears in blue on the menu bar also on top right.  That will allow you to 
return the window to normal.

 
GJB



 From: Robert Patterson rob...@robertgpatterson.com
To: finale finale@shsu.edu 
Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2014 11:19:11 AM
Subject: [Finale] Mac Mavericks and Secondary Maximized Windows
 

One of the new features of Mac OS Mavericks is menu bars on every monitor.
I suppose I'll eventually get used to it and come to like it, but one of
the negative side effects is that every version of Finale before 2014 has
the problem that if you ever maximize a window on a secondary monitor, you
can never unmaximize it due to the little maximize button disappearing
behind the menu bar that it doesn't know is there.

Thankfully Fin2012 has a menu option to un-maximize, but earlier versions
do not. Right now I am stuck with Fin08 in that I can't display a window
anywhere except the maximized window on the secondary monitor. I tried
creating an iKey shortcut, but iKey apparently does not send the event
directly to the window, opting instead to punch a button that in this case
isn't there. Has anyone else got a better solution? I don't use Fin08 much,
but in a pinch I need to be able to. I suppose I can trash the preferences
and it will stop doing it, but that is cumbersome to do every time I get in
this situation.
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Re: [Finale] 2014 crashes

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I found the crashes at various layers.  Up to date drivers on midi input device 
and taking off the inertia mouse movement solved them all to date.
 
GJB



 From: Mike Greensill m...@mikegreensill.com
To: finale@shsu.edu finale@shsu.edu 
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2014 4:13:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Finale] 2014 crashes
 

It just crashed when I was deleting a lyric, it seems many different
actions can cause crashes, very unstable.Grrr. I'm back on 2012
except for projects I already started in '14.

Mike G.  imac 10.9.2 Finale 2014a

www.mikegreensill.com




On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 11:33 AM, John Roberts an...@nycap.rr.com wrote:

 Various things can trigger crashes, it seems. I was experiencing a
 similar problem, different trigger, but editing an expression always
 caused a crash. One of the things tech support suggested was removing
 the custom menu commands I'd created in Mac OS System
 Prefs/Keyboard/Shortcuts. It helped, though I still get an occasional
 crash.

 JR



 On 4/15/14, 2:20 PM, Ryan wrote:
  Anyone else experiencing this?
 
  Mac OS 10.8, Finale 2014a
 
  I'm creating a template in 2014. Whenever I try to change a staff name in
  the score manager, Finale crashes. Any change in that field seems to
  trigger the crash, as it happens when I try to change the font, or just
  type something new.
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[Finale] Fw: Administrative support

[GERALD BERG]

Is this legit?
 
GJB

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To: 
Sent: Tuesday, April 1, 2014 1:35:24 PM
Subject: [Finale] Administrative support
 



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link below or copy and paste it into your browser for 
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Re: [Finale] Fw: Administrative support

[GERALD BERG]

Nah.  Thanx!
 
GJB



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To: finale@shsu.edu 
Sent: Sunday, April 6, 2014 10:38:09 AM
Subject: Re: [Finale] Fw:  Administrative support
 

Probably not -- I hope you didn't follow any links in the original message.

On 4/6/2014 10:04 AM, GERALD BERG wrote:
 Is this legit?


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Re: [Finale] Any idea if/when there will be a patch B for 2014?

[GERALD BERG]

I have a problem something like this too FINMAC -- I have a wireless mouse and 
I get a straight on crash with the leap.
 
GJB



 From: Chuck Israels cisra...@comcast.net
To: finale@shsu.edu 
Sent: Sunday, April 6, 2014 12:48:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Finale] Any idea if/when there will be a patch B for 2014?
 

Hi Darcy,

No, I thought this was an issue related to Finale not being thefront app, so 
I clicked on the Finale icon in the dock - the usual solution for the runaway 
playback problem.  I will try this - but perhaps others have found similar 
horizontal navigation problems with 2014 (nothing like this ever occurred in 
2012) where clicking in the horizontal scroll bar on either side of the 
location indicator (don't know what to call that gray thing) results in an 
uncontrollable jump beyond one window's worth of territory and then clicking on 
the other side results in the same erratic behavior in the other direction, 
making it maddeningly difficult to get to any location one window on either 
side of the location on which you are working.  Similar behavior also sometimes 
happens using the SmartScroll app (a handy app that allows horizontal scrolling 
one measure at a time using Command/Option or Command/Control).  In this case, 
Finale 2014 jumps two or more measures
 instead of one.  If I am remembering this correctly, it happens only after 
Finale has been open for a while.

I am working on transcribing and arranging music that requires that both 
Preview and Transcribe apps are open at the same time as Finale.  I don't 
remember whether I have encountered this when only Finale is open.

Anyway, your ideas are always helpful, so any light you can shed will be 
appreciated.  Meanwhile, I'll try the white space menu bar click to see if that 
works.

Thank you, Darcy.

Chuck





On Apr 6, 2014, at 9:00 AM, Darcy James Argue djar...@icloud.com wrote

 Hi Chuck,
 
 Did you try clicking in the whitespace of the menu bar? Clicking on an actual 
 menu item doesn't solve the issue, the click needs to be in the whitespace.
 
 Cheers,
 
 - DJA
 -
 WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org
 
 On Apr 6, 2014, at 10:56 AM, Chuck Israels cisra...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 Hi Darcy,
 
 This worked for a while. Then the problem returned and would not respond  to 
 this solution. I am having serious navigation problems with 2014. It seems 
 awfully buggy to me. 
 
 Chuck Israels
 (360) 201-3434
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On Apr 5, 2014, at 1:24 PM, Darcy James Argue djar...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Hi Chuck,
 
 I believe the trigger for the arrows not working in Speedy is when an 
 autosave is triggered while a different application is in the foreground. 
 The solution to this (and many other similar bugs in Fin2014) is to click 
 in the menu bar. This restores focus to Finale — something that is supposed 
 to happen when you switch back to Finale being the frontmost application. 
 I've just gotten into the habit of always clicking in the titlebar whenever 
 I switch back to Fin2014 from a different app.
 
 [This is a Mac-only issue as far as I know.]
 
 Cheers,
 
 - DJA
 -
 WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org
 
 On Apr 5, 2014, at 12:45 PM, Chuck Israels cisra...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 Yes, there are bugs.  The one you mention happens when the hairpins extend 
 to the end of the measure.  It renders the Smart Find and Paste feature 
 nearly unusable.  There are a number of other deeply annoying bugs - 
 scrolling issues that occur when Finale has been open for a while, making 
 navigation difficult, and one of the most annoying; cursor keys stop 
 working in Speedy Entry (erratically - sometimes they work sometimes not) 
 making navigation among entry points within the Speedy Entry frame require 
 the use of the mouse - not at all convenient.  This is the first time I've 
 been so frustrated with an upgrade.  
 
 
 On Apr 5, 2014, at 9:29 AM, Craig Parmerlee cr...@parmerlee.com wrote:
 
 There are a bunch of bugs in the A version.  That smart find and paste 
 is so messed up, it is practically unusable.  Half the time, when 
 copying hairpins, some of them get wildly wrong coordinates in the 
 target measures, stretching them over 40 measures or something. And it 
 no longer finds matches properly.  It worked fine for me up through 2012.
 
 This is turning what should have been a 60 minute editing job into a 5 
 hour marathon because I have to apply all my slurs and hairpins manually.
 
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Re: [Finale] Any idea if/when there will be a patch B for 2014?

[GERALD BERG]

Great!  Thanks Darcy. 
 
GJB



 From: Darcy James Argue djar...@icloud.com
To: finale@shsu.edu 
Sent: Sunday, April 6, 2014 2:24:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Finale] Any idea if/when there will be a patch B for 2014?
 

Hi Chuck,

You need to click in Finale's menubar to resolve the Fin2014 focus issues — 
clicking the application icon does not work.

Regarding scrolling, I haven't seen the problems you describe, but have you 
tried turning off inertial scrolling?

http://makemusic.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/5544/~/problems-with-speedy-entry-and-scrolling-with-inertia

Cheers,

- DJA
-
WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org

On Apr 6, 2014, at 12:48 PM, Chuck Israels cisra...@comcast.net wrote:

 Hi Darcy,
 
 No, I thought this was an issue related to Finale not being thefront app, 
 so I clicked on the Finale icon in the dock - the usual solution for the 
 runaway playback problem.  I will try this - but perhaps others have found 
 similar horizontal navigation problems with 2014 (nothing like this ever 
 occurred in 2012) where clicking in the horizontal scroll bar on either side 
 of the location indicator (don't know what to call that gray thing) results 
 in an uncontrollable jump beyond one window's worth of territory and then 
 clicking on the other side results in the same erratic behavior in the other 
 direction, making it maddeningly difficult to get to any location one window 
 on either side of the location on which you are working.  Similar behavior 
 also sometimes happens using the SmartScroll app (a handy app that allows 
 horizontal scrolling one measure at a time using Command/Option or 
 Command/Control).  In this case, Finale 2014 jumps two or more
 measures instead of one.  If I am remembering this correctly, it happens only 
after Finale has been open for a while.
 
 I am working on transcribing and arranging music that requires that both 
 Preview and Transcribe apps are open at the same time as Finale.  I don't 
 remember whether I have encountered this when only Finale is open.
 
 Anyway, your ideas are always helpful, so any light you can shed will be 
 appreciated.  Meanwhile, I'll try the white space menu bar click to see if 
 that works.
 
 Thank you, Darcy.
 
 Chuck
 
 
 
 
 
 On Apr 6, 2014, at 9:00 AM, Darcy James Argue djar...@icloud.com wrote
 
 Hi Chuck,
 
 Did you try clicking in the whitespace of the menu bar? Clicking on an 
 actual menu item doesn't solve the issue, the click needs to be in the 
 whitespace.
 
 Cheers,
 
 - DJA
 -
 WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org
 
 On Apr 6, 2014, at 10:56 AM, Chuck Israels cisra...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 Hi Darcy,
 
 This worked for a while. Then the problem returned and would not respond  
 to this solution. I am having serious navigation problems with 2014. It 
 seems awfully buggy to me. 
 
 Chuck Israels
 (360) 201-3434
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On Apr 5, 2014, at 1:24 PM, Darcy James Argue djar...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Hi Chuck,
 
 I believe the trigger for the arrows not working in Speedy is when an 
 autosave is triggered while a different application is in the foreground. 
 The solution to this (and many other similar bugs in Fin2014) is to click 
 in the menu bar. This restores focus to Finale — something that is 
 supposed to happen when you switch back to Finale being the frontmost 
 application. I've just gotten into the habit of always clicking in the 
 titlebar whenever I switch back to Fin2014 from a different app.
 
 [This is a Mac-only issue as far as I know.]
 
 Cheers,
 
 - DJA
 -
 WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org
 
 On Apr 5, 2014, at 12:45 PM, Chuck Israels cisra...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 Yes, there are bugs.  The one you mention happens when the hairpins 
 extend to the end of the measure.  It renders the Smart Find and Paste 
 feature nearly unusable.  There are a number of other deeply annoying 
 bugs - scrolling issues that occur when Finale has been open for a while, 
 making navigation difficult, and one of the most annoying; cursor keys 
 stop working in Speedy Entry (erratically - sometimes they work sometimes 
 not) making navigation among entry points within the Speedy Entry frame 
 require the use of the mouse - not at all convenient.  This is the first 
 time I've been so frustrated with an upgrade.  
 
 
 On Apr 5, 2014, at 9:29 AM, Craig Parmerlee cr...@parmerlee.com wrote:
 
 There are a bunch of bugs in the A version.  That smart find and paste 
 is so messed up, it is practically unusable.  Half the time, when 
 copying hairpins, some of them get wildly wrong coordinates in the 
 target measures, stretching them over 40 measures or something. And it 
 no longer finds matches properly.  It worked fine for me up through 2012.
 
 This is turning what should have been a 60 minute editing job into a 5 
 hour marathon because I have to apply all my slurs and hairpins manually.
 
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Re: [Finale] Speedy Entry in Finale Mac 2012 with MIDI Thru turned off

[GERALD BERG]

Perhaps set to a channel with no sound loaded -- i.e. midi channel 64?
 
GJB



 From: Brian Williams br...@barisax.net
To: Finale Mailing List finale@shsu.edu 
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2014 2:41:34 PM
Subject: [Finale] Speedy Entry in Finale Mac 2012 with MIDI Thru turned off
 

I'm having some major problems with Finale Mac 2012 using Speedy Entry with
MIDI Thru turned off.
It seems that unless MIDI Thru is turned on, the program randomly crashes,
and I usually have to click twice on a measure to bring up the Speedy Entry
frame. This sometimes ends up deleting whatever entries were previously in
the frame.
I really don't want to turn MIDI Thru on because I work in transposed
scores, and the notes that sound when I enter them using a MIDI keyboard in
Speedy sound in concert pitch, which is very confusing to my ear.
Is there a setting somewhere that will enable me to work in Speedy in Finale
2012 with MIDI Thru turned off without the program exhibiting this unstable
behavior?

Thanks in advance for any help you can provide.
-Brian Williams


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[Finale] Fw: FIN/Mavericks midi/USB interface

[GERALD BERG]

 Could someone throw me a bone on this one?  Much appreciated.

GJB
 
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From: GERALD BERG gj.b...@rogers.com
To: finale@shsu.edu finale@shsu.edu 
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 1:29:11 PM
Subject: [Finale] FIN/Mavericks midi/USB interface
  

Hi all

What are people using for a midi interface that works with Mavericks 10.9 
(newly updated!)?  Finding something that has up-to-date drivers is eluding my 
capabilities.  Only 1 keyboard so small is good.

TIA
 
GJB
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Re: [Finale] Fw: FIN/Mavericks midi/USB interface

[GERALD BERG]

Thanx Eric -- all I needed.
 
GJB



 From: Eric Dannewitz ericd...@jazz-sax.com
To: finale@shsu.edu finale@shsu.edu 
Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 11:04:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Finale] Fw: FIN/Mavericks midi/USB interface
 

Anything by MOTU is great. Their USB interface works flawlessly. I
also have an original 828, FireWire interface from 2002 that they
still support flawlessly on 10.9

Sent from my iSomething
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On Mar 21, 2014, at 7:34 AM, GERALD BERG gj.b...@rogers.com wrote:

  Could someone throw me a bone on this one?  Much appreciated.

 GJB

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 From: GERALD BERG gj.b...@rogers.com
 To: finale@shsu.edu finale@shsu.edu
 Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 1:29:11 PM
 Subject: [Finale] FIN/Mavericks midi/USB interface


 Hi all

 What are people using for a midi interface that works with Mavericks 10.9 
 (newly updated!)?  Finding something that has up-to-date drivers is eluding 
 my capabilities.  Only 1 keyboard so small is good.

 TIA

 GJB
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[Finale] FIN/Mavericks midi/USB interface

[GERALD BERG]

Hi all

What are people using for a midi interface that works with Mavericks 10.9 
(newly updated!)?  Finding something that has up-to-date drivers is eluding my 
capabilities.  Only 1 keyboard so small is good.

TIA
 
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Re: [Finale] Union rules on doubling

[GERALD BERG]

I remember Steve Reich coming to town  (Toronto) for a performance of Music for 
18 Musicians. He spoke before the performance and in his preface he made the 
comment that we might well be asking ourselves why we were seeing 20 musicians 
on stage.  Yep.  Clarinet and Bass Clarinet was not a permitted double by union 
rules.

GJB
 


 From: J D Thomas j...@thomastudios.com
To: finale@shsu.edu 
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 12:39:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Finale] Union rules on doubling
  

Thanks Gary, and all who chimed in with what they know.  Very, very 
informative.  Exactly what I was looking for.

J D Thomas
ThomaStudios

On Mar 17, 2014, at 10:28 AM, Greg Hamilton greghamil...@shaw.ca wrote:

 Hi J D,
 
 Just to clarify, each AFM Local determines their own rules for doubling for 
 Live engagements, in other words, any engagement falling within their 
 jurisdiction. Rules for Electronic media agreements (i.e. film, TV, sound 
 recording, etc.) are determined at the national level by the AFM Agreement in 
 which the session would be recorded under.
 
 I would double check with the local in which the gig is taking place, just to 
 be sure.
 
 Hope this helps,
 Greg
 
 Greg Hamilton
 Music Service
 Office: 604.420.COPY (2679)
 Cel: 604.612.9204
 
 From: J D Thomas j...@thomastudios.com
 Subject: [Finale] Union rules on doubling
 Date: 16 March, 2014 5:12:14 PM PDT
 To: finale@shsu.edu finale@shsu.edu
 Reply-To: finale@shsu.edu
 
 
 I had a phone conversation with a client earlier today.  And the topic of 
 doublings came up.  This is going to happen in a live situation, not in the 
 studio.  He is going to have a situation where the two clarinets are going 
 to most likely be playing both Bb and A clarinets.  Someone from NYC checked 
 into it for him and told him that the two clarinets were considered the same 
 under union doubling rules.
 
 I am a member of Local 47, Los Angeles, and I told him if a player picks up 
 another instrument and plays it on a session, it's a double.  Period.  He 
 argued that this was not the case with classical performances and reiterated 
 that the two clarinets are considered the same.  I countered that they were 
 not, and he was getting erroneous information.
 
 I'd like to hear what everyone knows on this issue.  I did many, many 
 sessions in LA when I lived there for 21 years.  Both live and recorded.  
 But I will admit my memory is foggy; I've been out of LA for over 13 years.  
 But I do recall that if a played picks up another axe, it's a double.
 
 Any and all opinions are most welcome.
 
 J D Thomas
 ThomaStudios
 
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[Finale] M Audio midisport FIMMAC Maverick

[GERALD BERG]

Hi all

I am still crashing and trying to locate the source of the problem.  I have the 
latest drivers from the M audio site which stop short of Maverick 10.9 at 10.8 
somethings.  Is anyone using them (with my configuration) and not having 
problems?

TIA

GJB
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Re: [Finale] FINMAC Clear key alternative?

[GERALD BERG]

Brilliant!  Works!  Thanks.  You can have the shirt off my back  JD!
 
GJB



 From: J D Thomas j...@thomastudios.com
To: finale@shsu.edu 
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 1:09:27 AM
Subject: Re: [Finale] FINMAC   Clear key alternative?
 

Shirt-Delete works for laptop KBs.  Try that.

J D Thomas
ThomaStudios


On Feb 20, 2014, at 7:18 PM, GERALD BERG gj.b...@rogers.com wrote:

 Hi all
 
 Is there an alternate key combo for CLEAR in Speedy entry?  (i.e. clear this 
 note from chord)   My keyboard lacks the clear key -- a wireless jobbie...
 
  
 GJB
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Re: [Finale] Where are layer parameters?

[GERALD BERG]

Still there.  On MAC  -- command K for the window.  Under NAME is the chevron 
-- a few chevrons are there which confuses things.  The larger next to STAFF 1 
(default docu name).
 
GJB



 From: Dennis Bathory-Kitsz bath...@maltedmedia.com
To: finale@shsu.edu 
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 3:34:01 PM
Subject: [Finale] Where are layer parameters?
 

Hi all,

The old instrument window used to have a droplist with the different
instruments for various layers. Where has that gone in F2014? (My instrument
window is still nearly illegible; Finale support is working on it.)

Thanks,
Dennis



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Re: [Finale] Where are layer parameters?

[GERALD BERG]

Most weird!  Any consolation -- I still crash.
 
GJB



 From: Dennis Bathory-Kitsz bath...@maltedmedia.com
To: finale@shsu.edu 
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 3:58:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Finale] Where are layer parameters?
 

On Thu, February 20, 2014 3:49 pm, GERALD BERG wrote:
 Still there.  On MAC  -- command K for the window.  Under NAME is the chevron
 -- a few chevrons are there which confuses things.  The larger next to STAFF 1
 (default docu name).

Thanks very much -- I sort of see them now. Unfortunately, I can't read them
when they're dropped down because my score manager looks like this. Support
working on it.

http://maltedmedia.com/images/finale/score-manager-2014.jpg


Dennis




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[Finale] FINMAC Clear key alternative?

[GERALD BERG]

Hi all

Is there an alternate key combo for CLEAR in Speedy entry?  (i.e. clear this 
note from chord)   My keyboard lacks the clear key -- a wireless jobbie...

 
GJB
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