date:20091022

I've been running 8 and 9 on W7 systems since the second beta version,
on several computers, without any problems. I suspect there wouldn't
be a problem with 7 either, but I haven't played with it.

And all the components of TCS2 seem to be fine under 7.

Art

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Re: Tile page with new version number

I don't know that this is how yours is set up, but if it was me, I'd
right-click on the component file in the book file, select Rename, and
change the name to 3.1.

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On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 12:14 AM, Susan Curtzwiler susa...@vmc.com wrote:
 Hi all
   I am using FMKR 7.0 on Vista Enterprise


 Would someone please share how to get the revision number from the title page 
 to change in the title in the list on the book file?

 For example:
  Book File partial list

 C:|Users/alias\docs\NameofBook_3.1_20091022
   3.0 Title Page.fm
   Front_Matter.fm
   ABC_NameofBook_3.1_200901022TOC.fm
   Preface.fm
   Ho to Use Book.fm


 So  -- how do I get the first line to change to 3.1 Title Page.fm

 I updated the file, saved, updated the book file, nothing changes.

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RE: FM 9 vs. InDesign

  Although InDesign has built-in scripting, the FrameMaker/FrameScript
  combination is much faster for automation.
 
 
 InDesign's scripting tools are built in, not extra-cost third-party
items.

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RE: FM 9 vs. InDesign

2009-10-22 Thread Rick Quatro

Hi Peter,

 

I am comparing component chapter files in a catalog with lots of data. We used 
InDesign CS4. Although we don’t have a version of the catalog in FrameMaker for 
direct comparison, experience tells me that the performance would be better in 
any recent version of FrameMaker.

 

The fact that InDesign scripting is built in doesn’t affect my business; I make 
money writing scripts, not selling scripting tools. Based on my experience, 
InDesign scripting performance with JavaScript is poor compared to 
FrameScript/FrameMaker performance, particularly for more complex tasks. When 
you using automation, the cost for a third-party tool can be recovered quickly 
if there are significant gains in performance.

 

This is not to say that I don’t like InDesign; it is a great tool with many 
nice features. But I would be cautious about moving to InDesign from FrameMaker 
unless there is a compelling reason for doing so.

 

Rick Quatro

Carmen Publishing Inc.

585-659-8267

r...@frameexpert.com

www.frameexpert.com

 

 

 

From: knowhow...@gmail.com [mailto:knowhow...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Peter Gold
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 6:39 PM
To: Rick Quatro
Cc: Tina Ricks; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: FM 9 vs. InDesign

 

Hi, Rick:

On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Rick Quatro r...@rickquatro.com wrote:

Hi Tina,

I have found InDesign's performance to be sluggish with long documents.

 

Are you comparing books with component chapter files, or single-file long 
documents? And, which release of InDesign compared to which release of 
FrameMaker?

 

Although InDesign has built-in scripting, the FrameMaker/FrameScript
combination is much faster for automation.

 

InDesign's scripting tools are built in, not extra-cost third-party items. 
Although it's obviously not a good thing for your business, there's a great 
quantity of free InDesign scripts out there.

 

Regards,

 

Peter

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Can anyone point me to a thorough comparison list of features between FM9
and InDesign? I'm using Frame primarily for print books at a small
publisher, and using it because I know it and I'm familiar with it.

I currently use Frame 8, and I'm considering an upgrade to either Frame 9 or
InDesign.

I've read that InDesign CS4 recently added cross references. Does anyone
know how they compare to Frame's feature? Also, what about creating an index
in InDesign. What features does it have for dynamic indexing?

Thanks.

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Re: Postscript to PDF Corruption

Joe, just to clarify one point

The SaveAsPDF function is still buggy in 9, although most of those
issues seem to be around CMYK generation I don't use it.

What I'm suggesting is that your system default printer should be the
Adobe logical printer so that all fonts are stable and embedded, etc.

Then use File  Print Book (or Print for a file) and select the Adobe
PDF printer. It'll prompt you for a PDF file name and prints and
distills in one action. If you're using bookmarks and other bells 
whistles, make sure the Generate Acrobat Data checkmark is activated
but the Print To File checkbox is clear.

Cheers,
Art

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On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 10:48 AM, Joseph Lorenzini jalo...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi Art,

 I have a brand new system. Its a Compaq 8510w with the following specs:

 Windows XP Professional SP3
 Intel Core  2 Duo
 1 @ 2.40 GHz
 3 GB of RAM

 I am running Framemaker 9p250 and Acobrat Pro Extended version 9.2.0. I also
 keep all the other software in the Tech com suite 2.0 up to date.

 I have always printed to a PS file because when I used FrameMaker 7, I found
 the File  Save as PDF option to be slightly buggy, whereas the two-step
 process was more stable. But that was then with FM7 and this is now with
 FM9. I have no problem switching back and (yes skipping the additional step
 would be nice).

 I am also going to look into the hotfix, which looks promising. Due to the
 way my company has my laptop set up, it will automatically do all sorts of
 resource intensive things in the background that I have no control over
 (such as running a virus scan). Printing a large FrameMaker book to a PS
 file can take several minutes. I wouldn't be surprised if some background
 service started up, killing my virtual memory thus corrupting the PS file.

 Thanks for the info,

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Re: FM 9 vs. InDesign

Hi, Rick:
Thanks for the detailed reply.

On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 9:23 AM, Rick Quatro r...@rickquatro.com wrote:

  Hi Peter,



 I am comparing component chapter files in a catalog with lots of data. We
 used InDesign CS4. Although we don’t have a version of the catalog in
 FrameMaker for direct comparison, experience tells me that the performance
 would be better in any recent version of FrameMaker.

Have you evaluated the performance of the catalog tools made for InDesign?

  The fact that InDesign scripting is built in doesn’t affect my business;
 I make money writing scripts, not selling scripting tools.

I was thinking about the many free InDesign scripts; I don't know how this
compares to free FrameScript scripts.

 Based on my experience, InDesign scripting performance with JavaScript is
 poor compared to FrameScript/FrameMaker performance, particularly for more
 complex tasks.

Inefficient coding is common.

 When you using automation, the cost for a third-party tool can be recovered
 quickly if there are significant gains in performance.

Agreed.

  This is not to say that I don’t like InDesign; it is a great tool with
 many nice features. But I would be cautious about moving to InDesign from
 FrameMaker unless there is a compelling reason for doing so.

Two popular reasons are the significantly better typography controls, and
the better graphics features; ID's drawing tools are quite advanced vs. FM,
and there's more power in manipulating imported graphics. The graphic
features overlap Photoshop to some degree; the advantage here is staying
inside one application to use them. With TCS2 including the full Photoshop
application, more is more for sure.

Compelling is subjective, I agree. Usually, technical documentation's
communication of information doesn't improve significantly because of
more-sophisticatedly composed type, but for some publishers or publications,
masterful typesetting is a compelling requirement.

Perhaps Tina's list of requirements will provide more information for
comparing the applications and their suitability.


 Regards,


 Peter

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  Rick Quatro

Carmen Publishing Inc.

 585-659-8267

 r...@frameexpert.com

 www.frameexpert.com







 *From:* knowhow...@gmail.com [mailto:knowhow...@gmail.com] *On Behalf Of 
 *Peter
 Gold
 *Sent:* Wednesday, October 21, 2009 6:39 PM
 *To:* Rick Quatro
 *Cc:* Tina Ricks; framers@lists.frameusers.com
 *Subject:* Re: FM 9 vs. InDesign



 Hi, Rick:

 On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Rick Quatro r...@rickquatro.com wrote:

 Hi Tina,

 I have found InDesign's performance to be sluggish with long documents.



 Are you comparing books with component chapter files, or single-file long
 documents? And, which release of InDesign compared to which release
 of FrameMaker?



 Although InDesign has built-in scripting, the FrameMaker/FrameScript
 combination is much faster for automation.



 InDesign's scripting tools are built in, not extra-cost third-party items.
 Although it's obviously not a good thing for your business, there's a great
 quantity of free InDesign scripts out there.



 Regards,



 Peter

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 Rick Quatro
 Carmen Publishing Inc.
 585-659-8267
 r...@frameexpert.com
 www.frameexpert.com




 Can anyone point me to a thorough comparison list of features between FM9
 and InDesign? I'm using Frame primarily for print books at a small
 publisher, and using it because I know it and I'm familiar with it.

 I currently use Frame 8, and I'm considering an upgrade to either Frame 9
 or
 InDesign.

 I've read that InDesign CS4 recently added cross references. Does anyone
 know how they compare to Frame's feature? Also, what about creating an
 index
 in InDesign. What features does it have for dynamic indexing?

 Thanks.

 Tina Ricks | Managing Editor | Trial Guides

 www.trialguides.com


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RE: Frame on Vista and Win7

2009-10-22 Thread Pinkham, Jim

FWIW, I was on a Win7 conference call last week, hosted by Microsoft and
HP. The Microsoft spokesman said 98 percent to 99 percent of all apps
that will run on XP or Vista, will also run on Win 7. They're not
claiming 100 percent, he said, because the remaining 1 percent to 2
percent have yet to be verified.

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Subject: Frame on Vista and Win7

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towers.
It would sure be nice to know if FrameMaker and Adobe in the broad sense
are comfortable and compatible?

Any discussion would be appreciated.

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Find text Apply tag

Hi all,
I need a simple Find-Replace operation, which I thought I asked about once
before ... but not quite.

I now need to look for all instances of the company's name, e.g., Acme, and
apply a character style to it.

And if I am already asking, how would I apply italics to the text, instead
of applying a character style?

I have looked at a number of articles about doing Find-Replace with tags but
they all seem to discuss how to change one tag to another, or how to change
local formatting to a tag, and not how to look for text and apply to it a
tag or formatting.

I saw somebody recommended Rick Quattro's Find-Replace plug-in. I couldn't
find it. Does anybody have a link to this?

TIA

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RE: Find text Apply tag

Why not create a variable for the name, format it the way you want and then
do a S/R for the text and replace it with the variable. 

That way, when they change the name of the product or the formatting of the
name, you change the definition of the variable and you're done.


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To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Find text Apply tag

Hi all,
I need a simple Find-Replace operation, which I thought I asked about once
before ... but not quite.

I now need to look for all instances of the company's name, e.g., Acme, and
apply a character style to it.

And if I am already asking, how would I apply italics to the text, instead
of applying a character style?

I have looked at a number of articles about doing Find-Replace with tags but
they all seem to discuss how to change one tag to another, or how to change
local formatting to a tag, and not how to look for text and apply to it a
tag or formatting.

I saw somebody recommended Rick Quattro's Find-Replace plug-in. I couldn't
find it. Does anybody have a link to this?

TIA

- avi
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RE: Find text Apply tag

Hi Avraham

To apply the character format:
1. Create the format and apply it to a text range.
2. Select the formatted text and go to Edit-Copy Special-Character format.
3. Do a search and replace for your company name. In the Change field, select 
By pasting. This applies the character format that you copied
previously.

As for applying italics without a character format, I think most would agree 
that this is a Bad Thing. It's certainly not allowed in our office. I
don't think you can automate it.

No idea about Rick's script, but I expect he will chime in.

Regards,

Roger Shuttleworth
London, Canada

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Sent: October 22, 2009 11:17 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Find text Apply tag

Hi all,
I need a simple Find-Replace operation, which I thought I asked about once
before ... but not quite.

I now need to look for all instances of the company's name, e.g., Acme, and
apply a character style to it.

And if I am already asking, how would I apply italics to the text, instead
of applying a character style?

I have looked at a number of articles about doing Find-Replace with tags but
they all seem to discuss how to change one tag to another, or how to change
local formatting to a tag, and not how to look for text and apply to it a
tag or formatting.

I saw somebody recommended Rick Quattro's Find-Replace plug-in. I couldn't
find it. Does anybody have a link to this?

TIA

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Re: Postscript to PDF Corruption

Yup.

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On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Joseph Lorenzini jalo...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Art,

I think I understand what you are saying, but I just want to be sure.

1. I already have the Adobe PDF printer set as the default system printer by
going to Printers and Faxes right-clicking Adobe PDF and then selecting
Set As Default Printer.
2. Open a FrameMaker book.
3. In the FM book, select File Print Book.
4. In the Print book dialog box, select the Generate Acrobat Data check box.
Configure the PDF settings by clicking the PDF setup button.
5. Clear the Print to File check box.
6. Click the Print button.

As a result, FrameMaker generates a PDF of the FrameMaker book, skipping the
generation of a PS file. A PS file is only genereated if you select the
Print to File check box. Since I cleared that check box, the PS file was not
created.

Does this accurately describe the procedure you are recommending?

Thanks,
Joe

On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 9:52 AM, Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com
wrote:

Joe, just to clarify one point

The SaveAsPDF function is still buggy in 9, although most of those
issues seem to be around CMYK generation I don't use it.

What I'm suggesting is that your system default printer should be the
Adobe logical printer so that all fonts are stable and embedded, etc.

Then use File Print Book (or Print for a file) and select the Adobe
PDF printer. It'll prompt you for a PDF file name and prints and
distills in one action. If you're using bookmarks and other bells
whistles, make sure the Generate Acrobat Data checkmark is activated
but the Print To File checkbox is clear.

Cheers,
Art

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On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 10:48 AM, Joseph Lorenzini jalo...@gmail.com
wrote:
Hi Art,

I have a brand new system. Its a Compaq 8510w with the following specs:

Windows XP Professional SP3
Intel Core 2 Duo
1 @ 2.40 GHz
3 GB of RAM

I am running Framemaker 9p250 and Acobrat Pro Extended version 9.2.0. I
also
keep all the other software in the Tech com suite 2.0 up to date.

I have always printed to a PS file because when I used FrameMaker 7, I
found
the File Save as PDF option to be slightly buggy, whereas the two-step
process was more stable. But that was then with FM7 and this is now with
FM9. I have no problem switching back and (yes skipping the additional
step
would be nice).

I am also going to look into the hotfix, which looks promising. Due to
the
way my company has my laptop set up, it will automatically do all sorts
of
resource intensive things in the background that I have no control over
(such as running a virus scan). Printing a large FrameMaker book to a PS
file can take several minutes. I wouldn't be surprised if some
background
service started up, killing my virtual memory thus corrupting the PS
file.

Thanks for the info,

Joe

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RE: FM 9 vs. InDesign

2009-10-22 Thread David Creamer

I have two PDFs:

One comparing InDesign CS4, FrameMaker 9, and QuarkXPress 8
http://www.ideastraining.com/PDFs/SelectingDTPprogram_v2.pdf

The older one comparing InDesign CS3, FrameMaker 8, and QuarkXPress 7
http://www.ideastraining.com/PDFs/SelectingDTPprogram.pdf

What program one chooses greatly depends on the type of projects one will
work on. If one is working on a large variety of projects--such as books,
newsletters, brochures, and proposals--I would look hard at InDesign. If
strictly working with larger book-type projects, one has to look at the
features of each program vs. what is needed (such as typographic quality or
column-spanning heads).

Another thing to look at is the equipment one has; typically InDesign
requires more computing power and RAM to run smoothly compared to
FrameMaker.


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InCopy, FrameMaker, Dreamweaver, Premiere, GoLive, and PageMaker
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Re: Find text Apply tag

2009-10-22 Thread Mike Wickham

 I saw somebody recommended Rick Quattro's Find-Replace plug-in. I couldn't
 find it. Does anybody have a link to this?

Rick has a plugin called FindChangeSpecial here: 
http://www.frameexpert.com/plugins/index.htm

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RE: Find text Apply tag

Avraham Makeler wrote: 


 I need a simple Find-Replace operation, which I thought I asked about
once
 before ... but not quite.
 
 I now need to look for all instances of the company's name, e.g.,
Acme, and
 apply a character style to it.

I strongly suggest that instead, you replace all instances of Acme with
a variable, e.g., CompanyName, whose definition includes both the char
format and the text. The EZVars plug-in from electropubs.com makes
replacing text with a variable (and other variable-related tasks) ... um
... EZ.
 
 And if I am already asking, how would I apply italics to the text,
instead
 of applying a character style?

Don't. If you need to do this to all instances of Acme, why would you
want to use ad hoc formatting, creating countless overrides?
 
 I have looked at a number of articles about doing Find-Replace with
tags
 but
 they all seem to discuss how to change one tag to another, or how to
change
 local formatting to a tag, and not how to look for text and apply to
it a
 tag or formatting.

Use Copy Special to copy the char tag to the clipboard and then change
by pasting. 
 
 I saw somebody recommended Rick Quattro's Find-Replace plug-in. I
couldn't
 find it. Does anybody have a link to this?

frameexpert.com
 

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Re: Find text Apply tag

It works. I thought I already tried this but it didn't work before.
The guys on this forum obviously have green fingers...

Just one small problem though... I used the Emphasis character style. I
tried to apply As is to all the formatting of Emphasis, and then to set it
to italics, but it didn't stick. So when I then applied the Emphasis style
to a title, for example, it changed the font of the word Acme to whatever
size and color Emphasis is, which in my case, is italicized body text.

 As for applying italics without a character format, I think most would
agree that this is a Bad Thing.

I agree that this is not professional, but if I do it this way then at least
I don't get the problem I get when I use a character style (Emphasis) above.

Thanks,

avi




On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 5:35 PM, Shuttleworth, Roger 
roger_shuttlewo...@tvworks.com wrote:

 Hi Avraham

 To apply the character format:
 1. Create the format and apply it to a text range.
 2. Select the formatted text and go to Edit-Copy Special-Character
 format.
 3. Do a search and replace for your company name. In the Change field,
 select By pasting. This applies the character format that you copied
 previously.

 As for applying italics without a character format, I think most would
 agree that this is a Bad Thing. It's certainly not allowed in our office. I
 don't think you can automate it.

 No idea about Rick's script, but I expect he will chime in.

 Regards,

 Roger Shuttleworth
 London, Canada

 -Original Message-
 From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:
 framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Avraham Makeler
 Sent: October 22, 2009 11:17 AM
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: Find text Apply tag

 Hi all,
 I need a simple Find-Replace operation, which I thought I asked about once
 before ... but not quite.

 I now need to look for all instances of the company's name, e.g., Acme, and
 apply a character style to it.

 And if I am already asking, how would I apply italics to the text, instead
 of applying a character style?

 I have looked at a number of articles about doing Find-Replace with tags
 but
 they all seem to discuss how to change one tag to another, or how to change
 local formatting to a tag, and not how to look for text and apply to it a
 tag or formatting.

 I saw somebody recommended Rick Quattro's Find-Replace plug-in. I couldn't
 find it. Does anybody have a link to this?

 TIA

 - avi
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RE: converting RoboHTML files to Frame?

2009-10-22 Thread Matt Sullivan

I'd recommend exporting to a Word file, then opening into FM.

Cleanup will certainly be necessary, but then (if desired) you can bring the
FM file into RH by reference if indeed you'll ever need to update the Help
via FM again. 


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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art Campbell
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 5:25 AM
To: Stephen Nelson
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: converting RoboHTML files to Frame?

I don't think you can do any kind of direct import because it's highly
unlikely the HTML is any kind of structured, so the best you can hope for is
getting the raw material into unstructured Frame.
I'm not sure that 7 can open HTML files as anything but text, either.
Webworks/Quadralay used to have a utility program called something like
Import Utility that would take HTML and output a MIF or FM file.

*** You may also want to ask in the Tech Comm Suite User's group.
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stephen.nel...@carestreamhealth.com wrote:
 Hello,
 Sorry if this has been asked before...
 What is the process for converting RoboHTML files/projects to 
 something I can import into Frame7 (structured)? Do you somehow export 
 MIF out of RH, then import MIF to Frame?
 Thank you.

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 Technical Communication  Localization 
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RE: FW: Selecting all anchored Frames

2009-10-22 Thread Flato, Gillian

Thanks! I will try the MIF way you suggest.

 

Thank you,

 

 

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From: Yves Barbion [mailto:yves.barb...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 11:36 PM
To: Flato, Gillian
Cc: Diane Gaskill; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: FW: Selecting all anchored Frames

 

Hi Gillian

Buying Framescript is always a good idea. At only $149.95 for a Windows
license, it is VERY good value for money.

But you can also change the properties of your anchored frames without
Framescript. Proceed as follows:

1. Save your FM file as MIF.
2. Open your MIF file in a plain text editor.
3. Search for FrameType Inline, this is the tag for anchored frames
with anchoring position at insertion point.
4. Replace FrameType Inline with FrameType Below, meaning below
current line.
5. Save the MIF file, open it in FrameMaker again, save it as FM and
Bob's your uncle!

While you're doing this, you can also change other properties, for
example AnchorAlign Center to AnchorAlign Left.

Still, I'm wondering why you want to change the anchoring position from
At insertion point to Below current line. I place most of my
anchored frames at insertion point, and I use a dedicated paragraph tag
for them (z_anchor). In my z_anchor paragraph tag, I deselect the
Fixed Line Spacing option, so the graphic will fit in the paragraph.
This approach gives me more flexibility when things need to be changed
globally, for example more space above or below the graphic. Instead
of changing the size of each anchored frame below current line, I can
use the Paragraph Designer and play with Space Above and Space
Below.

Cheers

 


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RE: Find text Apply tag

1. Create a new character style with the attributes you want. Call it
TextItalics, for example. 
2. Create a variable. Call it CompanyName.
3. Define the variable with the name of the product, using the new character
format, as needed. 
4. Replace an instance of the current product name text with the CompanyName
variable you create. 
5. Select the variable. Press Ctrl+c. The variable is copied into the
buffer. 
6. Open the Find/Replace.
7. Type the text you want to find - in this case, it's the name of the
company.
8. In the Replace area, select Copy from Clipboard. 
9. Click Find Next. 
10. Click Replace. Click Find Next. 
11. Rinse and repeat until all text company names have been replaced with
your variable. 
(This is all from memory, so parts may be slightly wrong)

The advantage to this is that when they change the company name again - and
they will - you change the value of the CompanyName variable and it's
changed through out the file. Import that variable into all other documents
and you're done. 

Do this for the product name as well, because if they are changing the
company name, they'll change the product name. Usually at the last second.


sharon

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-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Avraham Makeler
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 10:00 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Find text Apply tag

It works. I thought I already tried this but it didn't work before.
The guys on this forum obviously have green fingers...

Just one small problem though... I used the Emphasis character style. I
tried to apply As is to all the formatting of Emphasis, and then to set it
to italics, but it didn't stick. So when I then applied the Emphasis style
to a title, for example, it changed the font of the word Acme to whatever
size and color Emphasis is, which in my case, is italicized body text.

 As for applying italics without a character format, I think most would
agree that this is a Bad Thing.

I agree that this is not professional, but if I do it this way then at least
I don't get the problem I get when I use a character style (Emphasis) above.

Thanks,

avi




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RE: Find text Apply tag

 As for applying italics without a character format, I think most
would agree that this is a Bad Thing.

I agree that this is not professional, but if I do it this way then at
least I don't get the problem I get when I use a character style
(Emphasis) above.

Not a question of professional use - more an issue of creating a time
bomb that will hit you again ... later! If you ever change the paragraph
definition later, all your manually applied italics might get fixed
too!

Far, far better to use character formats, believe me! :)

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RE: Find text Apply tag

I'm not very bright - the Product name in the steps below should be Company
name... 


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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Sharon Burton
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 10:19 AM
To: 'Avraham Makeler'; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Find text Apply tag

1. Create a new character style with the attributes you want. Call it
TextItalics, for example. 
2. Create a variable. Call it CompanyName.
3. Define the variable with the name of the product, using the new character
format, as needed. 
4. Replace an instance of the current product name text with the CompanyName
variable you create. 
5. Select the variable. Press Ctrl+c. The variable is copied into the
buffer. 
6. Open the Find/Replace.
7. Type the text you want to find - in this case, it's the name of the
company.
8. In the Replace area, select Copy from Clipboard. 
9. Click Find Next. 
10. Click Replace. Click Find Next. 
11. Rinse and repeat until all text company names have been replaced with
your variable. 
(This is all from memory, so parts may be slightly wrong)

The advantage to this is that when they change the company name again - and
they will - you change the value of the CompanyName variable and it's
changed through out the file. Import that variable into all other documents
and you're done. 

Do this for the product name as well, because if they are changing the
company name, they'll change the product name. Usually at the last second.


sharon

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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Avraham Makeler
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 10:00 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Find text Apply tag

It works. I thought I already tried this but it didn't work before.
The guys on this forum obviously have green fingers...

Just one small problem though... I used the Emphasis character style. I
tried to apply As is to all the formatting of Emphasis, and then to set it
to italics, but it didn't stick. So when I then applied the Emphasis style
to a title, for example, it changed the font of the word Acme to whatever
size and color Emphasis is, which in my case, is italicized body text.

 As for applying italics without a character format, I think most would
agree that this is a Bad Thing.

I agree that this is not professional, but if I do it this way then at least
I don't get the problem I get when I use a character style (Emphasis) above.

Thanks,

avi




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RE: Find text Apply tag

 Just one small problem though... I used the Emphasis character style.
I tried to apply As is to all the formatting of Emphasis, and then to
set it to italics, but it didn't stick. So when I then applied the
Emphasis style to a title, for example, it changed the font of the word
Acme to whatever size and color Emphasis is, which in my case, is
italicized body text.

Hmmm, I use this feature *all* the time. My emphasis character tag only
applies italics to the selected characters ... and never messes with the
size or font or color!

I use it in titles, footnotes, body text, etc., (with different fonts
and sizes) without any difficulty.

My swag: are you not using the Update All button in the Character
Designer window when changing the definition for emphasis (after doing
the Set Window to As Is from the Command pull-down menu in that
Character Designer window)?

Z

Sidebar: my only minor pet peeve is that I want my emphasis to be
selective: when the underlying *default* font is Regular, I want the
emphasis to be italic ... and vice-versa!

No such luck - I asked about this on this forum before and no-one had an
answer! :(

So, I use two character tags - one for paragraphs with Regular default
fonts (to make the emphasized text be italic) and one with paragraphs
with italic default fonts (to make the emphasized text be regular).
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Re: Find text Apply tag

2009-10-22 Thread Susan Modlin

Sharon's suggestion is a good one. No matter what the industry, company names, 
product names, corporate identity styling, and the like are frequently subject 
to change. And if you're in the software business, change is almost de rigueur. 
The beauty of using variables for company names, etc. comes when Acme Corp. 
becomes Zenith, Inc. and all you have to do is change the variable definition 
and import it into every book in your  doc set. Sanity is preserved! Happiness 
prevails. And if you really want to preserve your sanity, replace your  
indefinite articles (a/an) with definite articles (the). This protects you from 
'an Zenith widget' embarrassment. Of course, this advice only applies for 
English. 

...Susan

 
When you find a big kettle of crazy, it's best not to stir it.
   Scott Adams






From: Sharon Burton sha...@anthrobytes.com
To: Avraham Makeler amake...@gmail.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Sent: Thu, October 22, 2009 8:33:38 AM
Subject: RE: Find text Apply tag

Why not create a variable for the name, format it the way you want and then
do a S/R for the text and replace it with the variable. 

That way, when they change the name of the product or the formatting of the
name, you change the definition of the variable and you're done.


  
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Re: Tile page with new version number

2009-10-22 Thread Stuart Rogers

Susan Curtzwiler wrote:
 Hi all I am using FMKR 7.0 on Vista Enterprise
 
 
 Would someone please share how to get the revision number from the
 title page to change in the title in the list on the book file?
 
 For example: Book File partial list
 
 C:|Users/alias\docs\NameofBook_3.1_20091022 3.0 Title Page.fm 
 Front_Matter.fm ABC_NameofBook_3.1_200901022TOC.fm Preface.fm Ho to
 Use Book.fm
 
 
 So  -- how do I get the first line to change to 3.1 Title Page.fm
 


Others have pointed out that you are viewing file names and must rename
the file to meet your objective.  But perhaps all you really want is to
see the first heading in each file instead of the file name?  In the
book window, there are four icons in the lower right; the leftmost of
them toggles between file names and headings in the list of book contents.

HTH,

-- 
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Technical Communicator
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RE: Find text Apply tag

2009-10-22 Thread Fred Ridder


Copy Special can be a very useful function, but you need to be aware of it's 
limitations. The biggest limitation is that it copies *all* the formatting 
characteristics of the exemplar rather than just the one or two characteristics 
you want to change. 

For example, if you select an instance of the company name in a heading and 
make it italic (either directly or by applying a character tag) and then do 
Copy Special, the formatting that you will be pasting throughout your document 
might be 20 pt bold italic Helvetica instead of your body font, which is 
perhaps Times 11 pt.  If you do the Find  Replace globally, there will be a 
lot of cases where you apply a lot of undesired formatting as well as the 
specific formating you want.
For the circumstance you describe, I agree with other posters that a formatted 
variable is the best approach. Whenever you insert the variable, it will appear 
in the default font plus the formatting for the character tag that you've 
applied via the variable definition.
-Fred Ridder

Replying to Avi, Roger Shuttleworth wrote: 
 To apply the character format:
 1. Create the format and apply it to a text range.
 2. Select the formatted text and go to Edit-Copy Special-Character format.
 3. Do a search and replace for your company name. In the Change field, select 
 By pasting. This applies the character format that you copied
 previously.
 
 As for applying italics without a character format, I think most would agree 
 that this is a Bad Thing. It's certainly not allowed in our office. I
 don't think you can automate it.
  
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RE: FM 9 vs. InDesign

One feature to remember is the pool of talent available to maintain
the docs if you are unable to. 
I know I (or my intern) can find in my current Rolodex FM users who
could take over my docs if I get hit by a bus. At this time I could not
do the same for InDesign users, so I would have to build that network,
too.
john

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Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 10:57 AM
To: Rick Quatro
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: FM 9 vs. InDesign

Hi, Rick:
Thanks for the detailed reply.

On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 9:23 AM, Rick Quatro r...@rickquatro.com
wrote:

  Hi Peter,



 I am comparing component chapter files in a catalog with lots of data.

 We used InDesign CS4. Although we don't have a version of the catalog 
 in FrameMaker for direct comparison, experience tells me that the 
 performance would be better in any recent version of FrameMaker.

Have you evaluated the performance of the catalog tools made for
InDesign?

  The fact that InDesign scripting is built in doesn't affect my 
 business; I make money writing scripts, not selling scripting tools.

I was thinking about the many free InDesign scripts; I don't know how
this compares to free FrameScript scripts.

 Based on my experience, InDesign scripting performance with JavaScript

 is poor compared to FrameScript/FrameMaker performance, particularly 
 for more complex tasks.

Inefficient coding is common.

 When you using automation, the cost for a third-party tool can be 
 recovered quickly if there are significant gains in performance.

Agreed.

  This is not to say that I don't like InDesign; it is a great tool 
 with many nice features. But I would be cautious about moving to 
 InDesign from FrameMaker unless there is a compelling reason for doing
so.

Two popular reasons are the significantly better typography controls,
and the better graphics features; ID's drawing tools are quite advanced
vs. FM, and there's more power in manipulating imported graphics. The
graphic features overlap Photoshop to some degree; the advantage here is
staying inside one application to use them. With TCS2 including the full
Photoshop application, more is more for sure.

Compelling is subjective, I agree. Usually, technical documentation's
communication of information doesn't improve significantly because of
more-sophisticatedly composed type, but for some publishers or
publications, masterful typesetting is a compelling requirement.

Perhaps Tina's list of requirements will provide more information for
comparing the applications and their suitability.


 Regards,


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 Of *Peter Gold
 *Sent:* Wednesday, October 21, 2009 6:39 PM
 *To:* Rick Quatro
 *Cc:* Tina Ricks; framers@lists.frameusers.com
 *Subject:* Re: FM 9 vs. InDesign



 Hi, Rick:

 On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Rick Quatro r...@rickquatro.com
wrote:

 Hi Tina,

 I have found InDesign's performance to be sluggish with long
documents.



 Are you comparing books with component chapter files, or single-file 
 long documents? And, which release of InDesign compared to which 
 release of FrameMaker?



 Although InDesign has built-in scripting, the FrameMaker/FrameScript 
 combination is much faster for automation.



 InDesign's scripting tools are built in, not extra-cost third-party
items.
 Although it's obviously not a good thing for your business, there's a 
 great quantity of free InDesign scripts out there.



 Regards,



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 Can anyone point me to a thorough comparison list of features between 
 FM9 and InDesign? I'm using Frame primarily for print books at a small

 publisher, and using it because I know it and I'm familiar with it.

 I currently use Frame 8, and I'm considering an upgrade to either 
 Frame 9 or InDesign.

 I've read that InDesign CS4 recently added cross references. Does 
 anyone know how they compare to Frame's feature? Also, what about 
 creating an index in InDesign. What features does it have for dynamic 
 indexing?

 Thanks.

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RE: Find text Apply tag

I agree that a variable is the way to go. When Acme changes to Nadir, you'll be 
able to make the switch very quickly. Screenshots, however, will take
longer. 8^)

Roger

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Sharon Burton
Sent: October 22, 2009 1:19 PM
To: 'Avraham Makeler'; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Find text Apply tag

1. Create a new character style with the attributes you want. Call it
TextItalics, for example. 
2. Create a variable. Call it CompanyName.
3. Define the variable with the name of the product, using the new character
format, as needed. 
4. Replace an instance of the current product name text with the CompanyName
variable you create. 
5. Select the variable. Press Ctrl+c. The variable is copied into the
buffer. 
6. Open the Find/Replace.
7. Type the text you want to find - in this case, it's the name of the
company.
8. In the Replace area, select Copy from Clipboard. 
9. Click Find Next. 
10. Click Replace. Click Find Next. 
11. Rinse and repeat until all text company names have been replaced with
your variable. 
(This is all from memory, so parts may be slightly wrong)

The advantage to this is that when they change the company name again - and
they will - you change the value of the CompanyName variable and it's
changed through out the file. Import that variable into all other documents
and you're done. 

Do this for the product name as well, because if they are changing the
company name, they'll change the product name. Usually at the last second.


sharon

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Managing your content, one topic at a time
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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Avraham Makeler
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 10:00 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Find text Apply tag

It works. I thought I already tried this but it didn't work before.
The guys on this forum obviously have green fingers...

Just one small problem though... I used the Emphasis character style. I
tried to apply As is to all the formatting of Emphasis, and then to set it
to italics, but it didn't stick. So when I then applied the Emphasis style
to a title, for example, it changed the font of the word Acme to whatever
size and color Emphasis is, which in my case, is italicized body text.

 As for applying italics without a character format, I think most would
agree that this is a Bad Thing.

I agree that this is not professional, but if I do it this way then at least
I don't get the problem I get when I use a character style (Emphasis) above.

Thanks,

avi




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Solved RE: Tile page with new version number

2009-10-22 Thread Susan Curtzwiler

 
Hi All, 
   Thank you for all the suggestions.  My first thought was to change the file 
name as noted by many of you. 
I was checking to see if there was a tag I was missing, as suggested by 
Jerrilynn.  
I went ahead and changed the filename, since I wanted the name of the file to 
match the name of the title page. 
 
  I treasure all the help from this forum. 
 
Thanks again and have a great weekend. 
 
Sue Curtzwiler 
susa...@vmc.com



From: Stuart Rogers [mailto:srog...@phoenix-geophysics.com]
Sent: Thu 10/22/2009 10:43 AM
To: Susan Curtzwiler
Cc: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Tile page with new version number



Susan Curtzwiler wrote:
 Hi all I am using FMKR 7.0 on Vista Enterprise


 Would someone please share how to get the revision number from the
 title page to change in the title in the list on the book file?

 For example: Book File partial list

 C:|Users/alias\docs\NameofBook_3.1_20091022 3.0 Title Page.fm
 Front_Matter.fm ABC_NameofBook_3.1_200901022TOC.fm Preface.fm Ho to
 Use Book.fm


 So  -- how do I get the first line to change to 3.1 Title Page.fm



Others have pointed out that you are viewing file names and must rename
the file to meet your objective.  But perhaps all you really want is to
see the first heading in each file instead of the file name?  In the
book window, there are four icons in the lower right; the leftmost of
them toggles between file names and headings in the list of book contents.

HTH,

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Re: Find text Apply tag

Thanks Sharon,Ok, I have done it and it works ...

... almost completely.

I am having the same problem with the character style that I had with
Roger_Shuttleworth's
suggestion that I Find+Apply  the text string with my desired character
style. Namely, I can;t get the attributes of my style to stay as As Is and
so when I apply the style it does not just apply the italic, which is what I
want, but it applies all the specific style attributes of the style.

Thanks,

avi

On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 7:18 PM, Sharon Burton sha...@anthrobytes.comwrote:

 1. Create a new character style with the attributes you want. Call it
 TextItalics, for example.
 2. Create a variable. Call it CompanyName.
 3. Define the variable with the name of the product, using the new
 character
 format, as needed.
 4. Replace an instance of the current product name text with the
 CompanyName
 variable you create.
 5. Select the variable. Press Ctrl+c. The variable is copied into the
 buffer.
 6. Open the Find/Replace.
 7. Type the text you want to find - in this case, it's the name of the
 company.
 8. In the Replace area, select Copy from Clipboard.
 9. Click Find Next.
 10. Click Replace. Click Find Next.
 11. Rinse and repeat until all text company names have been replaced with
 your variable.
 (This is all from memory, so parts may be slightly wrong)

 The advantage to this is that when they change the company name again - and
 they will - you change the value of the CompanyName variable and it's
 changed through out the file. Import that variable into all other documents
 and you're done.

 Do this for the product name as well, because if they are changing the
 company name, they'll change the product name. Usually at the last second.


 sharon

 Sharon Burton
 MadCap Software Product Consultant
 Managing your content, one topic at a time
 www.anthrobytes.com
 951-369-8590
 IM: sharonvbur...@yahoo.com
 Twitter: sharonburton


 -Original Message-
 From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
 [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Avraham Makeler
 Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 10:00 AM
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: Re: Find text Apply tag

 It works. I thought I already tried this but it didn't work before.
 The guys on this forum obviously have green fingers...

 Just one small problem though... I used the Emphasis character style. I
 tried to apply As is to all the formatting of Emphasis, and then to set
 it
 to italics, but it didn't stick. So when I then applied the Emphasis
 style
 to a title, for example, it changed the font of the word Acme to whatever
 size and color Emphasis is, which in my case, is italicized body text.

  As for applying italics without a character format, I think most would
 agree that this is a Bad Thing.

 I agree that this is not professional, but if I do it this way then at
 least
 I don't get the problem I get when I use a character style (Emphasis)
 above.

 Thanks,

 avi





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RE: Find text Apply tag

You didn't create a new character format and apply it to the text in the
variable in the Variable dialog box. That's where you do it. 

 

Look in the Frame docs for more help.

 

 

sharon

 

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MadCap Software Product Consultant

Managing your content, one topic at a time

www.anthrobytes.com

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From: Avraham Makeler [mailto:amake...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 12:00 PM
To: sha...@anthrobytes.com
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Find text Apply tag

 


Thanks Sharon,

Ok, I have done it and it works ...

 

... almost completely.

 

I am having the same problem with the character style that I had with
Roger_Shuttleworth's suggestion that I Find+Apply  the text string with my
desired character style. Namely, I can;t get the attributes of my style to
stay as As Is and so when I apply the style it does not just apply the
italic, which is what I want, but it applies all the specific style
attributes of the style.

 

Thanks,

 

avi 

 

On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 7:18 PM, Sharon Burton sha...@anthrobytes.com
wrote:

1. Create a new character style with the attributes you want. Call it
TextItalics, for example.
2. Create a variable. Call it CompanyName.
3. Define the variable with the name of the product, using the new character
format, as needed.
4. Replace an instance of the current product name text with the CompanyName
variable you create.
5. Select the variable. Press Ctrl+c. The variable is copied into the
buffer.
6. Open the Find/Replace.
7. Type the text you want to find - in this case, it's the name of the
company.
8. In the Replace area, select Copy from Clipboard.
9. Click Find Next.
10. Click Replace. Click Find Next.
11. Rinse and repeat until all text company names have been replaced with
your variable.
(This is all from memory, so parts may be slightly wrong)

The advantage to this is that when they change the company name again - and
they will - you change the value of the CompanyName variable and it's
changed through out the file. Import that variable into all other documents
and you're done.

Do this for the product name as well, because if they are changing the
company name, they'll change the product name. Usually at the last second.



sharon

Sharon Burton
MadCap Software Product Consultant
Managing your content, one topic at a time
www.anthrobytes.com
951-369-8590
IM: sharonvbur...@yahoo.com
Twitter: sharonburton



-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Avraham Makeler

Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 10:00 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com

Subject: Re: Find text Apply tag

It works. I thought I already tried this but it didn't work before.
The guys on this forum obviously have green fingers...

Just one small problem though... I used the Emphasis character style. I
tried to apply As is to all the formatting of Emphasis, and then to set it
to italics, but it didn't stick. So when I then applied the Emphasis style
to a title, for example, it changed the font of the word Acme to whatever
size and color Emphasis is, which in my case, is italicized body text.

 As for applying italics without a character format, I think most would
agree that this is a Bad Thing.

I agree that this is not professional, but if I do it this way then at least
I don't get the problem I get when I use a character style (Emphasis) above.

Thanks,

avi





 

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Re: FM 9 vs. InDesign

Hi, John:

On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 1:03 PM, John Sgammato jsgamm...@imprivata.comwrote:

 One feature to remember is the pool of talent available to maintain
 the docs if you are unable to.
 I know I (or my intern) can find in my current Rolodex FM users who
 could take over my docs if I get hit by a bus.


Always remember to stop, look, and listen, while walking and driving.G


 At this time I could not
 do the same for InDesign users, so I would have to build that network,
 too.


Sounds like a good opportunity for a book on InDesign for FrameMaker users.
Hmmm...


Regards,


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RE: FM 9 vs. InDesign

I'd buy it. I use both, and I know I underutilize INDD.

From: knowhow...@gmail.com [mailto:knowhow...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of
Peter Gold
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 3:48 PM
To: John Sgammato
Cc: Rick Quatro; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: FM 9 vs. InDesign

Hi, John:

On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 1:03 PM, John Sgammato jsgamm...@imprivata.com
wrote:

One feature to remember is the pool of talent available to
maintain
the docs if you are unable to.
I know I (or my intern) can find in my current Rolodex FM users
who
could take over my docs if I get hit by a bus. 

Always remember to stop, look, and listen, while walking and driving.G

At this time I could not
do the same for InDesign users, so I would have to build that
network,
too.

Sounds like a good opportunity for a book on InDesign for FrameMaker
users. Hmmm...

Regards,

Peter

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Re: FM 9 vs. InDesign

2009-10-22 Thread Alan T Litchfield

Me too. There are couple of projects that I have thought might be  
better done in ID because of the quality of type and problems I have  
had in the past with RGB artefacts in PDFs (I do get sick of having to  
tell prepress people how to do their job). I guess it is mainly  
ignorance and lack of time to sit down and nut through the process  
that has stopped me but with where ID has gone in CS4 (will go in  
CS5?) and where FM has gone in 9 I am seeing less difference between  
the products for the kind of work I do.

Alan

On 23/10/2009, at 8:59 AM, John Sgammato wrote:

 I'd buy it. I use both, and I know I underutilize INDD.

 

 From: knowhow...@gmail.com [mailto:knowhow...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of
 Peter Gold
 Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 3:48 PM
 To: John Sgammato
 Cc: Rick Quatro; framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: Re: FM 9 vs. InDesign


 Hi, John:


 On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 1:03 PM, John Sgammato jsgamm...@imprivata.com 
 
 wrote:


   One feature to remember is the pool of talent available to
 maintain
   the docs if you are unable to.
   I know I (or my intern) can find in my current Rolodex FM users
 who
   could take over my docs if I get hit by a bus.


 Always remember to stop, look, and listen, while walking and  
 driving.G


   At this time I could not
   do the same for InDesign users, so I would have to build that
 network,
   too.
   


 Sounds like a good opportunity for a book on InDesign for FrameMaker
 users. Hmmm...




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Re: FM 9 vs. InDesign

Wow! I better get pushing on with the  ID for FM users book, now that it
looks like I've got a few copies on folks' wish listsG. Thanks for the
interest, everyone. I'll keep you posted as I progress. I'd like to hear
about your specific interests and reasons/features present or missing in one
or the other product that motivate you to consider the changeover. If you'd
like to write me privately, use this address: id4fm at knowhowpro dot com.


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On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 3:29 PM, Alan T Litchfield a...@alphabyte.co.nzwrote:

 Me too. There are couple of projects that I have thought might be better
 done in ID because of the quality of type and problems I have had in the
 past with RGB artefacts in PDFs (I do get sick of having to tell prepress
 people how to do their job). I guess it is mainly ignorance and lack of time
 to sit down and nut through the process that has stopped me but with where
 ID has gone in CS4 (will go in CS5?) and where FM has gone in 9 I am seeing
 less difference between the products for the kind of work I do.

 Alan


 On 23/10/2009, at 8:59 AM, John Sgammato wrote:

  I'd buy it. I use both, and I know I underutilize INDD.

 

 From: knowhow...@gmail.com [mailto:knowhow...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of
 Peter Gold
 Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 3:48 PM
 To: John Sgammato
 Cc: Rick Quatro; framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: Re: FM 9 vs. InDesign


 Hi, John:


 On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 1:03 PM, John Sgammato jsgamm...@imprivata.com
 wrote:


One feature to remember is the pool of talent available to
 maintain
the docs if you are unable to.
I know I (or my intern) can find in my current Rolodex FM users
 who
could take over my docs if I get hit by a bus.


 Always remember to stop, look, and listen, while walking and driving.G


At this time I could not
do the same for InDesign users, so I would have to build that
 network,
too.



 Sounds like a good opportunity for a book on InDesign for FrameMaker
 users. Hmmm...




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RE: Find text Apply tag

Avraham Makeler wrote:
 
 Thanks Sharon,Ok, I have done it and it works ...
 
 ... almost completely.

Sharon was absolutely correct about creating a variable. But there's a
gotcha with the Find/Replace strategy for replacing the company name
text with the variable: When you copy the variable (her step 5), you're
copying _that specific instance_ of the variable, including the
formatting of that instance (i.e., the formatting it inherits from the
pgf it's in). 

So if you copy an instance in body text, it works when you paste it into
body text, but when you paste it into a heading, it's the wrong size,
font, weight ... whatever. 

That's why I recommended EZVars from electropubs.com. It lets you
replace the company name text with a _new instance_ of the variable,
just as if you'd selected the text, selected Special  Variable, and
replaced the text with a variable. Give it a trial -- I think you'll
agree it's well worth the modest cost.

If for some reason you can't try EZVars, follow Sharon's instructions,
but in multiple stages. First, create and copy an instance of the
variable in body text and use it to replace all body text occurrences of
the company name. Then create and copy an instance of the variable in
your Heading 1 pgf and use it to replace Heading 1 occurrences of the
company name. Repeat for other pgf formats as necessary. 

Or, since there are probably far fewer replacements needed in headings,
etc., just use Find to select those and then use Special  Variable to
replace the text manually. 

HTH!

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Re: Find text Apply tag

 But there's a gotcha with the Find/Replace strategy for replacing the
company name text with the variable:
Er ... yeah. I definitely bumped into that gotcha.
Instead of giving up, I tried again and again. Got a bloody nose from it. To
whom do I send the Kleenex bill ...?

Thanks!  :-)

- avi




On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 11:55 PM, Combs, Richard
richard.co...@polycom.comwrote:

 Avraham Makeler wrote:

  Thanks Sharon,Ok, I have done it and it works ...
 
  ... almost completely.

 Sharon was absolutely correct about creating a variable. But there's a
 gotcha with the Find/Replace strategy for replacing the company name
 text with the variable: When you copy the variable (her step 5), you're
 copying _that specific instance_ of the variable, including the
 formatting of that instance (i.e., the formatting it inherits from the
 pgf it's in).

 So if you copy an instance in body text, it works when you paste it into
 body text, but when you paste it into a heading, it's the wrong size,
 font, weight ... whatever.

 That's why I recommended EZVars from electropubs.com. It lets you
 replace the company name text with a _new instance_ of the variable,
 just as if you'd selected the text, selected Special  Variable, and
 replaced the text with a variable. Give it a trial -- I think you'll
 agree it's well worth the modest cost.

 If for some reason you can't try EZVars, follow Sharon's instructions,
 but in multiple stages. First, create and copy an instance of the
 variable in body text and use it to replace all body text occurrences of
 the company name. Then create and copy an instance of the variable in
 your Heading 1 pgf and use it to replace Heading 1 occurrences of the
 company name. Repeat for other pgf formats as necessary.

 Or, since there are probably far fewer replacements needed in headings,
 etc., just use Find to select those and then use Special  Variable to
 replace the text manually.

 HTH!

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RE: Find text Apply tag

Richard, you are absolutely correct!

I just tested EZVars as well, and the method works perfectly.

Using EZVars, combined with Sharon's add the character tag to a
variable recommendation:

(a) creates the new variable with the required minimum set of
font changes like italic and spread and
(b) properly searches for and substitutes the variable for the
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FWIW, my most heavily used plug-in is Leximation's BookVars (by a wide
margin) ... and EZTools's EZVars is next. :)

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Avraham Makeler wrote:
 
 Thanks Sharon,Ok, I have done it and it works ...
 
 ... almost completely.

Sharon was absolutely correct about creating a variable. But there's a
gotcha with the Find/Replace strategy for replacing the company name
text with the variable: When you copy the variable (her step 5), you're
copying _that specific instance_ of the variable, including the
formatting of that instance (i.e., the formatting it inherits from the
pgf it's in). 

So if you copy an instance in body text, it works when you paste it into
body text, but when you paste it into a heading, it's the wrong size,
font, weight ... whatever. 

That's why I recommended EZVars from electropubs.com. It lets you
replace the company name text with a _new instance_ of the variable,
just as if you'd selected the text, selected Special  Variable, and
replaced the text with a variable. Give it a trial -- I think you'll
agree it's well worth the modest cost.

If for some reason you can't try EZVars, follow Sharon's instructions,
but in multiple stages. First, create and copy an instance of the
variable in body text and use it to replace all body text occurrences of
the company name. Then create and copy an instance of the variable in
your Heading 1 pgf and use it to replace Heading 1 occurrences of the
company name. Repeat for other pgf formats as necessary. 

Or, since there are probably far fewer replacements needed in headings,
etc., just use Find to select those and then use Special  Variable to
replace the text manually. 

HTH!

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FAA

2009-10-22 Thread Whitney Broach

(Sorry for any duplication.)

If you've worked in doc dev at or for the Federal Aviation Administration,
please ping me off-list at whitney at@ broachservices #dot^ com.

I'm being retained by an FAA contractor and am trying to get a sense of the
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RE: Frame on Vista and Win7

2009-10-22 Thread Ajay


Hello,
 
I get this message pertaining to Framemaker installation on Windows 7 operating 
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 FWIW, I was on a Win7 conference call last week, hosted by Microsoft and
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 that will run on XP or Vista, will also run on Win 7. They're not
 claiming 100 percent, he said, because the remaining 1 percent to 2
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Does FM8 include Distiller as a separate executable?

2009-10-22 Thread Lidington, Ellen L

I know it was its own executable in 7.x. I am being told that it is
included differently in 8.x. If someone knows the relationship between
Distiller and FM in 8.x, I would appreciate your explaining it to me.
Thanks for your help.

 

 

 

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RE: Frame on Vista and Win7

The usual Windows 7 User Account Control (UAC) feature asking for
permission to do something. It is less obtrusive in Windows 7 compared
to Vista, but ... still a pain sometimes.

If you are sure that Adobe is not messing with your computer when
installing FrameMaker, then the answer to this question should be Yes.
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Re: Does FM8 include Distiller as a separate executable?

2009-10-22 Thread Neeraj Jain

I am not sure about FM 8. However, when you install FM9, you can skip 
installing Distiller separately. Instead, it will install a light-weight 
application, and you will be able to create a pdf.

 
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Subject: Does FM8 include Distiller as a separate executable?

I know it was its own executable in 7.x. I am being told that it is
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FW: Selecting all anchored Frames

2009-10-22 Thread Yves Barbion

Hi Gillian

Buying Framescript is always a good idea. At only $149.95 for a Windows
license, it is VERY good value for money.

But you can also change the properties of your anchored frames without
Framescript. Proceed as follows:

1. Save your FM file as MIF.
2. Open your MIF file in a plain text editor.
3. Search for , this is the tag for anchored frames with
anchoring position at insertion point.
4. Replace  with , meaning "below current
line".
5. Save the MIF file, open it in FrameMaker again, save it as FM and Bob's
your uncle!

While you're doing this, you can also change other properties, for example
 to .

Still, I'm wondering why you want to change the anchoring position from "At
insertion point" to "Below current line". I place most of my anchored frames
at insertion point, and I use a dedicated paragraph tag for them (z_anchor).
In my "z_anchor" paragraph tag, I deselect the "Fixed Line Spacing" option,
so the graphic will fit in the paragraph. This approach gives me more
flexibility when things need to be changed "globally", for example more
space above or below the graphic. Instead of changing the size of each
anchored frame below current line, I can use the Paragraph Designer and play
with "Space Above" and "Space Below".

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FW: Selecting all anchored Frames

2009-10-22 Thread Shmuel Wolfson

You probably can do that an AutoIt script as well. AutoIt is free.

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Flato, Gillian wrote:
>  
>
> Anyone know how to select every anchored frame in a document at once,
> and change the properties, so, essentially, a global change. I have a
> document where each anchored frame is set to At insertion point, and I
> want to change them all to Below current line.
>
>  
>
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>
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ANN: WS Utilities (new plugin) released

2009-10-22 Thread r...@weststreetconsulting.com

Hi,

We've just released a new plugin called West Street Utilities which
currently adds a host of new features for graphics management. These
features include the ability to compare graphics in a file system
against your FM source files, to see what is used and where. For more
information, see:

http://www.weststreetconsulting.com/WSC_Utils.htm

Unlike our other plugins, this one is not structure-oriented and can be
used on any FM 7, 8, or 9 file.

Thanks,
Russ Ward
Owner, WSC

Frame on Vista and Win7

I've been running 8 and 9 on W7 systems since the second beta version,
on several computers, without any problems. I suspect there wouldn't
be a problem with 7 either, but I haven't played with it.

And all the components of TCS2 seem to be fine under 7.

Art

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On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 5:35 PM, Gary Bankston  wrote:
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Tile page with new version number

I don't know that this is how yours is set up, but if it was me, I'd
right-click on the component file in the book file, select Rename, and
change the name to 3.1.

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On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 12:14 AM, Susan Curtzwiler  wrote:
> Hi all
> ? I am using FMKR 7.0 on Vista Enterprise
>
>
> Would someone please share how to get the revision number from the title page 
> to change in the title in the list on the book file?
>
> For example:
> ?Book File partial list
>
> C:|Users/alias\docs\NameofBook_3.1_20091022
> ? 3.0 Title Page.fm
> ? Front_Matter.fm
> ? ABC_NameofBook_3.1_200901022TOC.fm
> ? Preface.fm
> ? Ho to Use Book.fm
>
>
> So ?-- how do I get the first line to change to 3.1 Title Page.fm
>
> I updated the file, saved, updated the book file, nothing changes.
>
> Thanks for any insight to this.
>
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FM 9 vs. InDesign

> > Although InDesign has built-in scripting, the FrameMaker/FrameScript
> > combination is much faster for automation.
> >
> 
> InDesign's scripting tools are built in, not extra-cost third-party
items.

Um, yeah ... that's what he said.


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Tile page with new version number

Susan Curtzwiler wrote:

> Would someone please share how to get the revision number from the
title
> page to change in the title in the list on the book file?
> 
> For example:
>  Book File partial list
> 
> C:|Users/alias\docs\NameofBook_3.1_20091022
>3.0 Title Page.fm
>Front_Matter.fm
>ABC_NameofBook_3.1_200901022TOC.fm
>Preface.fm
>Ho to Use Book.fm
> 
> 
> So  -- how do I get the first line to change to 3.1 Title Page.fm
> 
> I updated the file, saved, updated the book file, nothing changes.

You're displaying the file names. 3.0 Title Page.fm isn't a title, it's
the name of the file. 

Are you expecting the names of your files to update automatically when
you change a variable or something in the files? Sorry ... 

In the book window, right-click the file name and select Rename File. 

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FM 9 vs. InDesign

2009-10-22 Thread Rick Quatro

Hi Peter,



I am comparing component chapter files in a catalog with lots of data. We used 
InDesign CS4. Although we don?t have a version of the catalog in FrameMaker for 
direct comparison, experience tells me that the performance would be better in 
any recent version of FrameMaker.



The fact that InDesign scripting is built in doesn?t affect my business; I make 
money writing scripts, not selling scripting tools. Based on my experience, 
InDesign scripting performance with JavaScript is poor compared to 
FrameScript/FrameMaker performance, particularly for more complex tasks. When 
you using automation, the cost for a third-party tool can be recovered quickly 
if there are significant gains in performance.



This is not to say that I don?t like InDesign; it is a great tool with many 
nice features. But I would be cautious about moving to InDesign from FrameMaker 
unless there is a compelling reason for doing so.



Rick Quatro

Carmen Publishing Inc.

585-659-8267

rick at frameexpert.com

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To: Rick Quatro
Cc: Tina Ricks; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: FM 9 vs. InDesign



Hi, Rick:

On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Rick Quatro  wrote:

Hi Tina,

I have found InDesign's performance to be sluggish with long documents.



Are you comparing books with component chapter files, or single-file long 
documents? And, which release of InDesign compared to which release of 
FrameMaker?



Although InDesign has built-in scripting, the FrameMaker/FrameScript
combination is much faster for automation.



InDesign's scripting tools are built in, not extra-cost third-party items. 
Although it's obviously not a good thing for your business, there's a great 
quantity of free InDesign scripts "out there."



Regards,



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Can anyone point me to a thorough comparison list of features between FM9
and InDesign? I'm using Frame primarily for print books at a small
publisher, and using it because I know it and I'm familiar with it.

I currently use Frame 8, and I'm considering an upgrade to either Frame 9 or
InDesign.

I've read that InDesign CS4 recently added cross references. Does anyone
know how they compare to Frame's feature? Also, what about creating an index
in InDesign. What features does it have for dynamic indexing?

Thanks.

Tina Ricks | Managing Editor | Trial Guides

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Tile page with new version number

2009-10-22 Thread Bodvar Bjorgvinsson

I'd go with Art on this, but there is a question if you really need
the revision number as a part of the file name? (And a good rule of
thumb: don't use spaces or in file names, althoug allowed in Windows,
and no dots other than before file endings. The one does not work well
with *nix and the other with many Windows applications).

I used to do this, but it makes revision work very tedious if you got
a long list of files within a book. What I did was to turn to
SVN/TortoiseSVN versioning database and keep all the files in there.
You can keep the file names constant which makes all referenced files
happy, and it is SO easy to work with.

HOWEVER: If I am misunderstanding you, and you are talking about an
autogenerated list, I usually create a text frame on each page that
has a different revision number that the previous and put a
Header/Footer $1 (or Header/Footer $2) marker in there populated with
the revision number (and the other with the revision date, if need be)
and then use Silicon Prairie's LEP tool to make (or prepare for) the
autogenerated List of Markers.

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
-- 
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--Fleksnes (Rolv Wesenlund)

2009/10/22 Art Campbell :
> I don't know that this is how yours is set up, but if it was me, I'd
> right-click on the component file in the book file, select Rename, and
> change the name to 3.1.
>
> Art Campbell
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? art.campbell at gmail.com
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> Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?No disclaimers apply.
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? DoD 358
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 12:14 AM, Susan Curtzwiler  wrote:
>> Hi all
>> ? I am using FMKR 7.0 on Vista Enterprise
>>
>>
>> Would someone please share how to get the revision number from the title 
>> page to change in the title in the list on the book file?
>>
>> For example:
>> ?Book File partial list
>>
>> C:|Users/alias\docs\NameofBook_3.1_20091022
>> ? 3.0 Title Page.fm
>> ? Front_Matter.fm
>> ? ABC_NameofBook_3.1_200901022TOC.fm
>> ? Preface.fm
>> ? Ho to Use Book.fm
>>
>>
>> So ?-- how do I get the first line to change to 3.1 Title Page.fm
>>
>> I updated the file, saved, updated the book file, nothing changes.
>>
>> Thanks for any insight to this.
>>
>> Sue Curtzwiler
>> susancu at vmc.comu
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Postscript to PDF Corruption

Joe, just to clarify one point

The SaveAsPDF function is still buggy in 9, although most of those
issues seem to be around CMYK generation I don't use it.

What I'm suggesting is that your system default printer should be the
Adobe logical printer so that all fonts are stable and embedded, etc.

Then use File > Print Book (or Print for a file) and select the Adobe
PDF printer. It'll prompt you for a PDF file name and prints and
distills in one action. If you're using bookmarks and other bells &
whistles, make sure the Generate Acrobat Data checkmark is activated
but the Print To File checkbox is clear.

Cheers,
Art

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Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
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On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 10:48 AM, Joseph Lorenzini  wrote:
> Hi Art,
>
> I have a brand new system. Its a Compaq 8510w with the following specs:
>
> Windows XP Professional SP3
> Intel Core? 2 Duo
> 1 @ 2.40 GHz
> 3 GB of RAM
>
> I am running Framemaker 9p250 and Acobrat Pro Extended version 9.2.0. I also
> keep all the other software in the Tech com suite 2.0 up to date.
>
> I have always printed to a PS file because when I used FrameMaker 7, I found
> the File > Save as PDF option to be slightly buggy, whereas the two-step
> process was more stable. But that was then with FM7 and this is now with
> FM9. I have no problem switching back and (yes skipping the additional step
> would be nice).
>
> I am also going to look into the hotfix, which looks promising. Due to the
> way my company has my laptop set up, it will automatically do all sorts of
> resource intensive things in the background that I have no control over
> (such as running a virus scan). Printing a large FrameMaker book to a PS
> file can take several minutes. I wouldn't be surprised if some background
> service started up, killing my virtual memory thus corrupting the PS file.
>
> Thanks for the info,
>
> Joe
>

FM 9 vs. InDesign

Hi, Rick:
Thanks for the detailed reply.

On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 9:23 AM, Rick Quatro  wrote:

>  Hi Peter,
>
>
>
> I am comparing component chapter files in a catalog with lots of data. We
> used InDesign CS4. Although we don?t have a version of the catalog in
> FrameMaker for direct comparison, experience tells me that the performance
> would be better in any recent version of FrameMaker.
>
Have you evaluated the performance of the catalog tools made for InDesign?

>  The fact that InDesign scripting is built in doesn?t affect my business;
> I make money writing scripts, not selling scripting tools.
>
I was thinking about the many free InDesign scripts; I don't know how this
compares to free FrameScript scripts.

> Based on my experience, InDesign scripting performance with JavaScript is
> poor compared to FrameScript/FrameMaker performance, particularly for more
> complex tasks.
>
Inefficient coding is common.

> When you using automation, the cost for a third-party tool can be recovered
> quickly if there are significant gains in performance.
>
Agreed.

>  This is not to say that I don?t like InDesign; it is a great tool with
> many nice features. But I would be cautious about moving to InDesign from
> FrameMaker unless there is a compelling reason for doing so.
>
Two popular reasons are the significantly better typography controls, and
the better graphics features; ID's drawing tools are quite advanced vs. FM,
and there's more power in manipulating imported graphics. The graphic
features overlap Photoshop to some degree; the advantage here is staying
inside one application to use them. With TCS2 including the full Photoshop
application, "more is more" for sure.

"Compelling" is subjective, I agree. Usually, technical documentation's
communication of information doesn't improve significantly because of
more-sophisticatedly composed type, but for some publishers or publications,
masterful typesetting is a compelling requirement.

Perhaps Tina's list of requirements will provide more information for
comparing the applications and their suitability.


> Regards,
>
>
> Peter
>
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>
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>
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>
> www.frameexpert.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* knowhowpro at gmail.com [mailto:knowhowpro at gmail.com] *On Behalf 
> Of *Peter
> Gold
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 21, 2009 6:39 PM
> *To:* Rick Quatro
> *Cc:* Tina Ricks; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> *Subject:* Re: FM 9 vs. InDesign
>
>
>
> Hi, Rick:
>
> On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Rick Quatro  wrote:
>
> Hi Tina,
>
> I have found InDesign's performance to be sluggish with long documents.
>
>
>
> Are you comparing books with component chapter files, or single-file long
> documents? And, which release of InDesign compared to which release
> of FrameMaker?
>
>
>
> Although InDesign has built-in scripting, the FrameMaker/FrameScript
> combination is much faster for automation.
>
>
>
> InDesign's scripting tools are built in, not extra-cost third-party items.
> Although it's obviously not a good thing for your business, there's a great
> quantity of free InDesign scripts "out there."
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Peter
>
> ___
>
> Peter Gold
>
> KnowHow ProServices
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Rick Quatro
> Carmen Publishing Inc.
> 585-659-8267
> rick at frameexpert.com
> www.frameexpert.com
>
>
>
>
> Can anyone point me to a thorough comparison list of features between FM9
> and InDesign? I'm using Frame primarily for print books at a small
> publisher, and using it because I know it and I'm familiar with it.
>
> I currently use Frame 8, and I'm considering an upgrade to either Frame 9
> or
> InDesign.
>
> I've read that InDesign CS4 recently added cross references. Does anyone
> know how they compare to Frame's feature? Also, what about creating an
> index
> in InDesign. What features does it have for dynamic indexing?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Tina Ricks | Managing Editor | Trial Guides
>
> www.trialguides.com
>
>

Frame on Vista and Win7

2009-10-22 Thread Pinkham, Jim

FWIW, I was on a Win7 conference call last week, hosted by Microsoft and
HP. The Microsoft spokesman said 98 percent to 99 percent of all apps
that will run on XP or Vista, will also run on Win 7. They're not
claiming 100 percent, he said, because the remaining 1 percent to 2
percent have yet to be verified.

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To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Frame on Vista and Win7

Any horror stories? Our company is about to upgrade our laptops and
towers.
It would sure be nice to know if FrameMaker and Adobe in the broad sense
are comfortable and compatible?

Any discussion would be appreciated.

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Find Apply

Hi all,
I need a simple Find-Replace operation, which I thought I asked about once
before ... but not quite.

I now need to look for all instances of the company's name, e.g., Acme, and
apply a character style to it.

And if I am already asking, how would I apply italics to the text, instead
of applying a character style?

I have looked at a number of articles about doing Find-Replace with tags but
they all seem to discuss how to change one tag to another, or how to change
local formatting to a tag, and not how to look for text and apply to it a
tag or formatting.

I saw somebody recommended Rick Quattro's Find-Replace plug-in. I couldn't
find it. Does anybody have a link to this?

TIA

- avi

Find Apply

Why not create a variable for the name, format it the way you want and then
do a S/R for the text and replace it with the variable. 

That way, when they change the name of the product or the formatting of the
name, you change the definition of the variable and you're done.


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To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Find  Apply 

Hi all,
I need a simple Find-Replace operation, which I thought I asked about once
before ... but not quite.

I now need to look for all instances of the company's name, e.g., Acme, and
apply a character style to it.

And if I am already asking, how would I apply italics to the text, instead
of applying a character style?

I have looked at a number of articles about doing Find-Replace with tags but
they all seem to discuss how to change one tag to another, or how to change
local formatting to a tag, and not how to look for text and apply to it a
tag or formatting.

I saw somebody recommended Rick Quattro's Find-Replace plug-in. I couldn't
find it. Does anybody have a link to this?

TIA

- avi
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Find Apply

Hi Avraham

To apply the character format:
1. Create the format and apply it to a text range.
2. Select the formatted text and go to Edit->Copy Special->Character format.
3. Do a search and replace for your company name. In the Change field, select 
By pasting. This applies the character format that you copied
previously.

As for applying italics without a character format, I think most would agree 
that this is a Bad Thing. It's certainly not allowed in our office. I
don't think you can automate it.

No idea about Rick's script, but I expect he will chime in.

Regards,

Roger Shuttleworth
London, Canada

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Avraham Makeler
Sent: October 22, 2009 11:17 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Find  Apply 

Hi all,
I need a simple Find-Replace operation, which I thought I asked about once
before ... but not quite.

I now need to look for all instances of the company's name, e.g., Acme, and
apply a character style to it.

And if I am already asking, how would I apply italics to the text, instead
of applying a character style?

I have looked at a number of articles about doing Find-Replace with tags but
they all seem to discuss how to change one tag to another, or how to change
local formatting to a tag, and not how to look for text and apply to it a
tag or formatting.

I saw somebody recommended Rick Quattro's Find-Replace plug-in. I couldn't
find it. Does anybody have a link to this?

TIA

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Postscript to PDF Corruption

Yup.

Art Campbell
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Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
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On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Joseph Lorenzini  wrote:
> Hi Art,
>
> I think I understand what you are saying, but I just want to be sure.
>
> 1. I already have the Adobe PDF printer set as the default system printer by
> going to Printers and Faxes > right-clicking Adobe PDF > and then selecting
> Set As Default Printer.
> 2. Open a FrameMaker book.
> 3. In the FM book, select File > Print Book.
> 4. In the Print book dialog box, select the Generate Acrobat Data check box.
> Configure the PDF settings by clicking the PDF setup button.
> 5. Clear the Print to File check box.
> 6. Click the Print button.
>
> As a result, FrameMaker generates a PDF of the FrameMaker book, skipping the
> generation of a PS file. A PS file is only genereated if you select the
> Print to File check box. Since I cleared that check box, the PS file was not
> created.
>
> Does this accurately describe the procedure you are recommending?
>
> Thanks,
> Joe
>
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 9:52 AM, Art Campbell 
> wrote:
>>
>> Joe, just to clarify one point
>>
>> The SaveAsPDF function is still buggy in 9, although most of those
>> issues seem to be around CMYK generation I don't use it.
>>
>> What I'm suggesting is that your system default printer should be the
>> Adobe logical printer so that all fonts are stable and embedded, etc.
>>
>> Then use File > Print Book (or Print for a file) and select the Adobe
>> PDF printer. It'll prompt you for a PDF file name and prints and
>> distills in one action. If you're using bookmarks and other bells &
>> whistles, make sure the Generate Acrobat Data checkmark is activated
>> but the Print To File checkbox is clear.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Art
>>
>> Art Campbell
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? art.campbell at gmail.com
>> ?"... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
>> Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?No disclaimers apply.
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? DoD 358
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 10:48 AM, Joseph Lorenzini 
>> wrote:
>> > Hi Art,
>> >
>> > I have a brand new system. Its a Compaq 8510w with the following specs:
>> >
>> > Windows XP Professional SP3
>> > Intel Core? 2 Duo
>> > 1 @ 2.40 GHz
>> > 3 GB of RAM
>> >
>> > I am running Framemaker 9p250 and Acobrat Pro Extended version 9.2.0. I
>> > also
>> > keep all the other software in the Tech com suite 2.0 up to date.
>> >
>> > I have always printed to a PS file because when I used FrameMaker 7, I
>> > found
>> > the File > Save as PDF option to be slightly buggy, whereas the two-step
>> > process was more stable. But that was then with FM7 and this is now with
>> > FM9. I have no problem switching back and (yes skipping the additional
>> > step
>> > would be nice).
>> >
>> > I am also going to look into the hotfix, which looks promising. Due to
>> > the
>> > way my company has my laptop set up, it will automatically do all sorts
>> > of
>> > resource intensive things in the background that I have no control over
>> > (such as running a virus scan). Printing a large FrameMaker book to a PS
>> > file can take several minutes. I wouldn't be surprised if some
>> > background
>> > service started up, killing my virtual memory thus corrupting the PS
>> > file.
>> >
>> > Thanks for the info,
>> >
>> > Joe
>> >
>
>

FM 9 vs. InDesign

2009-10-22 Thread David Creamer

I have two PDFs:

One comparing InDesign CS4, FrameMaker 9, and QuarkXPress 8


The older one comparing InDesign CS3, FrameMaker 8, and QuarkXPress 7


What program one chooses greatly depends on the type of projects one will
work on. If one is working on a large variety of projects--such as books,
newsletters, brochures, and proposals--I would look hard at InDesign. If
strictly working with larger book-type projects, one has to look at the
features of each program vs. what is needed (such as typographic quality or
column-spanning heads).

Another thing to look at is the equipment one has; typically InDesign
requires more computing power and RAM to run smoothly compared to
FrameMaker.


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Find Apply

2009-10-22 Thread Mike Wickham

> I saw somebody recommended Rick Quattro's Find-Replace plug-in. I couldn't
> find it. Does anybody have a link to this?

Rick has a plugin called FindChangeSpecial here: 
http://www.frameexpert.com/plugins/index.htm

Mike Wickham

Find Apply

Avraham Makeler wrote: 

> I need a simple Find-Replace operation, which I thought I asked about
once
> before ... but not quite.
> 
> I now need to look for all instances of the company's name, e.g.,
Acme, and
> apply a character style to it.

I strongly suggest that instead, you replace all instances of Acme with
a variable, e.g., CompanyName, whose definition includes both the char
format and the text. The EZVars plug-in from electropubs.com makes
replacing text with a variable (and other variable-related tasks) ... um
... EZ.

> And if I am already asking, how would I apply italics to the text,
instead
> of applying a character style?

Don't. If you need to do this to all instances of Acme, why would you
want to use ad hoc formatting, creating countless overrides?

> I have looked at a number of articles about doing Find-Replace with
tags
> but
> they all seem to discuss how to change one tag to another, or how to
change
> local formatting to a tag, and not how to look for text and apply to
it a
> tag or formatting.

Use Copy Special to copy the char tag to the clipboard and then change
by pasting. 

> I saw somebody recommended Rick Quattro's Find-Replace plug-in. I
couldn't
> find it. Does anybody have a link to this?

frameexpert.com

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Find Apply

It works. I thought I already tried this but it didn't work before.
The guys on this forum obviously have "green fingers"...

Just one small problem though... I used the Emphasis character style. I
tried to apply "As is" to all the formatting of Emphasis, and then to set it
to italics, but it didn't "stick". So when I then applied the Emphasis style
to a title, for example, it changed the font of the word Acme to whatever
size and color Emphasis is, which in my case, is italicized body text.

>> As for applying italics without a character format, I think most would
agree that this is a Bad Thing.

I agree that this is not professional, but if I do it this way then at least
I don't get the problem I get when I use a character style (Emphasis) above.

Thanks,

avi




On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 5:35 PM, Shuttleworth, Roger <
Roger_Shuttleworth at tvworks.com> wrote:

> Hi Avraham
>
> To apply the character format:
> 1. Create the format and apply it to a text range.
> 2. Select the formatted text and go to Edit->Copy Special->Character
> format.
> 3. Do a search and replace for your company name. In the Change field,
> select By pasting. This applies the character format that you copied
> previously.
>
> As for applying italics without a character format, I think most would
> agree that this is a Bad Thing. It's certainly not allowed in our office. I
> don't think you can automate it.
>
> No idea about Rick's script, but I expect he will chime in.
>
> Regards,
>
> Roger Shuttleworth
> London, Canada
>
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:
> framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Avraham Makeler
> Sent: October 22, 2009 11:17 AM
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Find  Apply 
>
> Hi all,
> I need a simple Find-Replace operation, which I thought I asked about once
> before ... but not quite.
>
> I now need to look for all instances of the company's name, e.g., Acme, and
> apply a character style to it.
>
> And if I am already asking, how would I apply italics to the text, instead
> of applying a character style?
>
> I have looked at a number of articles about doing Find-Replace with tags
> but
> they all seem to discuss how to change one tag to another, or how to change
> local formatting to a tag, and not how to look for text and apply to it a
> tag or formatting.
>
> I saw somebody recommended Rick Quattro's Find-Replace plug-in. I couldn't
> find it. Does anybody have a link to this?
>
> TIA
>
> - avi
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converting RoboHTML files to Frame?

2009-10-22 Thread Matt Sullivan

I'd recommend exporting to a Word file, then opening into FM.

Cleanup will certainly be necessary, but then (if desired) you can bring the
FM file into RH by reference if indeed you'll ever need to update the Help
via FM again. 

-Matt

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Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 5:25 AM
To: Stephen Nelson
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: converting RoboHTML files to Frame?

I don't think you can do any kind of direct import because it's highly
unlikely the HTML is any kind of structured, so the best you can hope for is
getting the raw material into unstructured Frame.
I'm not sure that 7 can open HTML files as anything but text, either.
Webworks/Quadralay used to have a utility program called something like
"Import Utility" that would take HTML and output a MIF or FM file.

*** You may also want to ask in the Tech Comm Suite User's group.
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On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 10:52 AM, Stephen Nelson
 wrote:
> Hello,
> Sorry if this has been asked before...
> What is the process for converting RoboHTML files/projects to 
> something I can import into Frame7 (structured)? Do you somehow export 
> MIF out of RH, then import MIF to Frame?
> Thank you.
>
> Stephen Nelson
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FW: Selecting all anchored Frames

2009-10-22 Thread Flato, Gillian

Thanks! I will try the MIF way you suggest.



Thank you,





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Technical Writer (Software)

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From: Yves Barbion [mailto:yves.barb...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 11:36 PM
To: Flato, Gillian
Cc: Diane Gaskill; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: FW: Selecting all anchored Frames



Hi Gillian

Buying Framescript is always a good idea. At only $149.95 for a Windows
license, it is VERY good value for money.

But you can also change the properties of your anchored frames without
Framescript. Proceed as follows:

1. Save your FM file as MIF.
2. Open your MIF file in a plain text editor.
3. Search for , this is the tag for anchored frames
with anchoring position at insertion point.
4. Replace  with , meaning "below
current line".
5. Save the MIF file, open it in FrameMaker again, save it as FM and
Bob's your uncle!

While you're doing this, you can also change other properties, for
example  to .

Still, I'm wondering why you want to change the anchoring position from
"At insertion point" to "Below current line". I place most of my
anchored frames at insertion point, and I use a dedicated paragraph tag
for them (z_anchor). In my "z_anchor" paragraph tag, I deselect the
"Fixed Line Spacing" option, so the graphic will fit in the paragraph.
This approach gives me more flexibility when things need to be changed
"globally", for example more space above or below the graphic. Instead
of changing the size of each anchored frame below current line, I can
use the Paragraph Designer and play with "Space Above" and "Space
Below".

Cheers




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Find Apply

1. Create a new character style with the attributes you want. Call it
TextItalics, for example. 
2. Create a variable. Call it CompanyName.
3. Define the variable with the name of the product, using the new character
format, as needed. 
4. Replace an instance of the current product name text with the CompanyName
variable you create. 
5. Select the variable. Press Ctrl+c. The variable is copied into the
buffer. 
6. Open the Find/Replace.
7. Type the text you want to find - in this case, it's the name of the
company.
8. In the Replace area, select Copy from Clipboard. 
9. Click Find Next. 
10. Click Replace. Click Find Next. 
11. Rinse and repeat until all text company names have been replaced with
your variable. 
(This is all from memory, so parts may be slightly wrong)

The advantage to this is that when they change the company name again - and
they will - you change the value of the CompanyName variable and it's
changed through out the file. Import that variable into all other documents
and you're done. 

Do this for the product name as well, because if they are changing the
company name, they'll change the product name. Usually at the last second.


sharon

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-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Avraham Makeler
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 10:00 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Find  Apply 

It works. I thought I already tried this but it didn't work before.
The guys on this forum obviously have "green fingers"...

Just one small problem though... I used the Emphasis character style. I
tried to apply "As is" to all the formatting of Emphasis, and then to set it
to italics, but it didn't "stick". So when I then applied the Emphasis style
to a title, for example, it changed the font of the word Acme to whatever
size and color Emphasis is, which in my case, is italicized body text.

>> As for applying italics without a character format, I think most would
agree that this is a Bad Thing.

I agree that this is not professional, but if I do it this way then at least
I don't get the problem I get when I use a character style (Emphasis) above.

Thanks,

avi

Find Apply

>> As for applying italics without a character format, I think most
would agree that this is a Bad Thing.

>I agree that this is not professional, but if I do it this way then at
least I don't get the problem I get when I use a character style
(Emphasis) above.

Not a question of professional use - more an issue of creating a time
bomb that will hit you again ... later! If you ever change the paragraph
definition later, all your manually applied italics might get "fixed"
too!

Far, far better to use character formats, believe me! :)

Z

Find Apply

I'm not very bright - the Product name in the steps below should be Company
name... 


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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Sharon Burton
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 10:19 AM
To: 'Avraham Makeler'; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Find  Apply 

1. Create a new character style with the attributes you want. Call it
TextItalics, for example. 
2. Create a variable. Call it CompanyName.
3. Define the variable with the name of the product, using the new character
format, as needed. 
4. Replace an instance of the current product name text with the CompanyName
variable you create. 
5. Select the variable. Press Ctrl+c. The variable is copied into the
buffer. 
6. Open the Find/Replace.
7. Type the text you want to find - in this case, it's the name of the
company.
8. In the Replace area, select Copy from Clipboard. 
9. Click Find Next. 
10. Click Replace. Click Find Next. 
11. Rinse and repeat until all text company names have been replaced with
your variable. 
(This is all from memory, so parts may be slightly wrong)

The advantage to this is that when they change the company name again - and
they will - you change the value of the CompanyName variable and it's
changed through out the file. Import that variable into all other documents
and you're done. 

Do this for the product name as well, because if they are changing the
company name, they'll change the product name. Usually at the last second.


sharon

Sharon Burton
MadCap Software Product Consultant
Managing your content, one topic at a time
www.anthrobytes.com
951-369-8590
IM: sharonvburton at yahoo.com
Twitter: sharonburton


-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Avraham Makeler
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 10:00 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Find  Apply 

It works. I thought I already tried this but it didn't work before.
The guys on this forum obviously have "green fingers"...

Just one small problem though... I used the Emphasis character style. I
tried to apply "As is" to all the formatting of Emphasis, and then to set it
to italics, but it didn't "stick". So when I then applied the Emphasis style
to a title, for example, it changed the font of the word Acme to whatever
size and color Emphasis is, which in my case, is italicized body text.

>> As for applying italics without a character format, I think most would
agree that this is a Bad Thing.

I agree that this is not professional, but if I do it this way then at least
I don't get the problem I get when I use a character style (Emphasis) above.

Thanks,

avi




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Find Apply

> Just one small problem though... I used the Emphasis character style.
I tried to apply "As is" to all the formatting of Emphasis, and then to
set it to italics, but it didn't "stick". So when I then applied the
Emphasis style to a title, for example, it changed the font of the word
Acme to whatever size and color Emphasis is, which in my case, is
italicized body text.

Hmmm, I use this feature *all* the time. My emphasis character tag only
applies italics to the selected characters ... and never messes with the
size or font or color!

I use it in titles, footnotes, body text, etc., (with different fonts
and sizes) without any difficulty.

My swag: are you not using the "Update All" button in the Character
Designer window when changing the definition for "emphasis" (after doing
the "Set Window to As Is" from the Command pull-down menu in that
Character Designer window)?

Z

Sidebar: my only minor pet peeve is that I want my "emphasis" to be
selective: when the underlying *default* font is Regular, I want the
emphasis to be italic ... and vice-versa!

No such luck - I asked about this on this forum before and no-one had an
answer! :(

So, I use two character tags - one for paragraphs with Regular default
fonts (to make the emphasized text be italic) and one with paragraphs
with italic default fonts (to make the emphasized text be regular).

Find Apply

2009-10-22 Thread Susan Modlin

Sharon's suggestion is a good one. No matter what the industry, company names, 
product names, corporate identity styling, and the like are frequently subject 
to change. And if you're in the software business, change is almost de rigueur. 
The beauty of using variables for company names, etc. comes when Acme Corp. 
becomes Zenith, Inc. and all you have to do is change the variable definition 
and import it into every book in your  doc set. Sanity is preserved! Happiness 
prevails. And if you really want to preserve your sanity, replace your  
indefinite articles (a/an) with definite articles (the). This protects you from 
'an Zenith widget' embarrassment. Of course, this advice only applies for 
English. 

...Susan


"When you find a big kettle of crazy, it's best not to stir it."
   Scott Adams






From: Sharon Burton 
To: Avraham Makeler ; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Sent: Thu, October 22, 2009 8:33:38 AM
Subject: RE: Find  Apply 

Why not create a variable for the name, format it the way you want and then
do a S/R for the text and replace it with the variable. 

That way, when they change the name of the product or the formatting of the
name, you change the definition of the variable and you're done.

Tile page with new version number

2009-10-22 Thread Stuart Rogers

Susan Curtzwiler wrote:
> Hi all I am using FMKR 7.0 on Vista Enterprise
> 
> 
> Would someone please share how to get the revision number from the
> title page to change in the title in the list on the book file?
> 
> For example: Book File partial list
> 
> C:|Users/alias\docs\NameofBook_3.1_20091022 3.0 Title Page.fm 
> Front_Matter.fm ABC_NameofBook_3.1_200901022TOC.fm Preface.fm Ho to
> Use Book.fm
> 
> 
> So  -- how do I get the first line to change to 3.1 Title Page.fm
> 

Others have pointed out that you are viewing file names and must rename
the file to meet your objective.  But perhaps all you really want is to
see the first heading in each file instead of the file name?  In the
book window, there are four icons in the lower right; the leftmost of
them toggles between file names and headings in the list of book contents.

HTH,

-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

"He who does not understand your silence will probably not understand
your words."

-- Elbert Hubbard (1856-1915)

Find Apply

2009-10-22 Thread Fred Ridder


Copy Special can be a very useful function, but you need to be aware of it's 
limitations. The biggest limitation is that it copies *all* the formatting 
characteristics of the exemplar rather than just the one or two characteristics 
you want to change. 

For example, if you select an instance of the company name in a heading and 
make it italic (either directly or by applying a character tag) and then do 
Copy Special, the formatting that you will be pasting throughout your document 
might be 20 pt bold italic Helvetica instead of your body font, which is 
perhaps Times 11 pt.  If you do the Find & Replace globally, there will be a 
lot of cases where you apply a lot of undesired formatting as well as the 
specific formating you want.
For the circumstance you describe, I agree with other posters that a formatted 
variable is the best approach. Whenever you insert the variable, it will appear 
in the default font plus the formatting for the character tag that you've 
applied via the variable definition.
-Fred Ridder

Replying to Avi, Roger Shuttleworth wrote: 
> To apply the character format:
> 1. Create the format and apply it to a text range.
> 2. Select the formatted text and go to Edit->Copy Special->Character format.
> 3. Do a search and replace for your company name. In the Change field, select 
> By pasting. This applies the character format that you copied
> previously.
> 
> As for applying italics without a character format, I think most would agree 
> that this is a Bad Thing. It's certainly not allowed in our office. I
> don't think you can automate it.

FM 9 vs. InDesign

One "feature" to remember is the pool of talent available to maintain
the docs if you are unable to. 
I know I (or my intern) can find in my current Rolodex FM users who
could take over my docs if I get hit by a bus. At this time I could not
do the same for InDesign users, so I would have to build that network,
too.
john

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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Peter Gold
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 10:57 AM
To: Rick Quatro
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: FM 9 vs. InDesign

Hi, Rick:
Thanks for the detailed reply.

On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 9:23 AM, Rick Quatro 
wrote:

>  Hi Peter,
>
>
>
> I am comparing component chapter files in a catalog with lots of data.

> We used InDesign CS4. Although we don't have a version of the catalog 
> in FrameMaker for direct comparison, experience tells me that the 
> performance would be better in any recent version of FrameMaker.
>
Have you evaluated the performance of the catalog tools made for
InDesign?

>  The fact that InDesign scripting is built in doesn't affect my 
> business; I make money writing scripts, not selling scripting tools.
>
I was thinking about the many free InDesign scripts; I don't know how
this compares to free FrameScript scripts.

> Based on my experience, InDesign scripting performance with JavaScript

> is poor compared to FrameScript/FrameMaker performance, particularly 
> for more complex tasks.
>
Inefficient coding is common.

> When you using automation, the cost for a third-party tool can be 
> recovered quickly if there are significant gains in performance.
>
Agreed.

>  This is not to say that I don't like InDesign; it is a great tool 
> with many nice features. But I would be cautious about moving to 
> InDesign from FrameMaker unless there is a compelling reason for doing
so.
>
Two popular reasons are the significantly better typography controls,
and the better graphics features; ID's drawing tools are quite advanced
vs. FM, and there's more power in manipulating imported graphics. The
graphic features overlap Photoshop to some degree; the advantage here is
staying inside one application to use them. With TCS2 including the full
Photoshop application, "more is more" for sure.

"Compelling" is subjective, I agree. Usually, technical documentation's
communication of information doesn't improve significantly because of
more-sophisticatedly composed type, but for some publishers or
publications, masterful typesetting is a compelling requirement.

Perhaps Tina's list of requirements will provide more information for
comparing the applications and their suitability.


> Regards,
>
>
> Peter
>
> ___
>
> Peter Gold
>
> KnowHow ProServices
>


>  Rick Quatro
>
Carmen Publishing Inc.
>
> 585-659-8267
>
> rick at frameexpert.com
>
> www.frameexpert.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* knowhowpro at gmail.com [mailto:knowhowpro at gmail.com] *On Behalf 
> Of *Peter Gold
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 21, 2009 6:39 PM
> *To:* Rick Quatro
> *Cc:* Tina Ricks; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> *Subject:* Re: FM 9 vs. InDesign
>
>
>
> Hi, Rick:
>
> On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Rick Quatro 
wrote:
>
> Hi Tina,
>
> I have found InDesign's performance to be sluggish with long
documents.
>
>
>
> Are you comparing books with component chapter files, or single-file 
> long documents? And, which release of InDesign compared to which 
> release of FrameMaker?
>
>
>
> Although InDesign has built-in scripting, the FrameMaker/FrameScript 
> combination is much faster for automation.
>
>
>
> InDesign's scripting tools are built in, not extra-cost third-party
items.
> Although it's obviously not a good thing for your business, there's a 
> great quantity of free InDesign scripts "out there."
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Peter
>
> ___
>
> Peter Gold
>
> KnowHow ProServices
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Rick Quatro
> Carmen Publishing Inc.
> 585-659-8267
> rick at frameexpert.com
> www.frameexpert.com
>
>
>
>
> Can anyone point me to a thorough comparison list of features between 
> FM9 and InDesign? I'm using Frame primarily for print books at a small

> publisher, and using it because I know it and I'm familiar with it.
>
> I currently use Frame 8, and I'm considering an upgrade to either 
> Frame 9 or InDesign.
>
> I've read that InDesign CS4 recently added cross references. Does 
> anyone know how they compare to Frame's feature? Also, what about 
> creating an index in InDesign. What features does it have for dynamic 
> indexing?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Tina Ricks | Managing Editor | Trial Guides
>
> www.trialguides.com
>
>
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Find Apply

I agree that a variable is the way to go. When Acme changes to Nadir, you'll be 
able to make the switch very quickly. Screenshots, however, will take
longer. 8^)

Roger

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From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Sharon Burton
Sent: October 22, 2009 1:19 PM
To: 'Avraham Makeler'; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Find  Apply 

1. Create a new character style with the attributes you want. Call it
TextItalics, for example. 
2. Create a variable. Call it CompanyName.
3. Define the variable with the name of the product, using the new character
format, as needed. 
4. Replace an instance of the current product name text with the CompanyName
variable you create. 
5. Select the variable. Press Ctrl+c. The variable is copied into the
buffer. 
6. Open the Find/Replace.
7. Type the text you want to find - in this case, it's the name of the
company.
8. In the Replace area, select Copy from Clipboard. 
9. Click Find Next. 
10. Click Replace. Click Find Next. 
11. Rinse and repeat until all text company names have been replaced with
your variable. 
(This is all from memory, so parts may be slightly wrong)

The advantage to this is that when they change the company name again - and
they will - you change the value of the CompanyName variable and it's
changed through out the file. Import that variable into all other documents
and you're done. 

Do this for the product name as well, because if they are changing the
company name, they'll change the product name. Usually at the last second.


sharon

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www.anthrobytes.com
951-369-8590
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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Avraham Makeler
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 10:00 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Find  Apply 

It works. I thought I already tried this but it didn't work before.
The guys on this forum obviously have "green fingers"...

Just one small problem though... I used the Emphasis character style. I
tried to apply "As is" to all the formatting of Emphasis, and then to set it
to italics, but it didn't "stick". So when I then applied the Emphasis style
to a title, for example, it changed the font of the word Acme to whatever
size and color Emphasis is, which in my case, is italicized body text.

>> As for applying italics without a character format, I think most would
agree that this is a Bad Thing.

I agree that this is not professional, but if I do it this way then at least
I don't get the problem I get when I use a character style (Emphasis) above.

Thanks,

avi




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Solved RE: Tile page with new version number

2009-10-22 Thread Susan Curtzwiler

Hi All, 
   Thank you for all the suggestions.  My first thought was to change the file 
name as noted by many of you. 
I was checking to see if there was a tag I was missing, as suggested by 
Jerrilynn.  
I went ahead and changed the filename, since I wanted the name of the file to 
match the name of the title page. 

  I treasure all the help from this forum. 

Thanks again and have a great weekend. 

Sue Curtzwiler 
susancu at vmc.com

From: Stuart Rogers [mailto:srog...@phoenix-geophysics.com]
Sent: Thu 10/22/2009 10:43 AM
To: Susan Curtzwiler
Cc: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Tile page with new version number

Susan Curtzwiler wrote:
> Hi all I am using FMKR 7.0 on Vista Enterprise
>
>
> Would someone please share how to get the revision number from the
> title page to change in the title in the list on the book file?
>
> For example: Book File partial list
>
> C:|Users/alias\docs\NameofBook_3.1_20091022 3.0 Title Page.fm
> Front_Matter.fm ABC_NameofBook_3.1_200901022TOC.fm Preface.fm Ho to
> Use Book.fm
>
>
> So  -- how do I get the first line to change to 3.1 Title Page.fm
>

Others have pointed out that you are viewing file names and must rename
the file to meet your objective.  But perhaps all you really want is to
see the first heading in each file instead of the file name?  In the
book window, there are four icons in the lower right; the leftmost of
them toggles between file names and headings in the list of book contents.

HTH,

--
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

"He who does not understand your silence will probably not understand
your words."

-- Elbert Hubbard (1856-1915)

Find Apply

Thanks Sharon,Ok, I have done it and it works ...

... almost completely.

I am having the same problem with the character style that I had with
Roger_Shuttleworth's
suggestion that I Find+Apply  the text string with my desired character
style. Namely, I can;t get the attributes of my style to stay as "As Is" and
so when I apply the style it does not just apply the italic, which is what I
want, but it applies all the specific style attributes of the style.

Thanks,

avi

On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 7:18 PM, Sharon Burton wrote:

> 1. Create a new character style with the attributes you want. Call it
> TextItalics, for example.
> 2. Create a variable. Call it CompanyName.
> 3. Define the variable with the name of the product, using the new
> character
> format, as needed.
> 4. Replace an instance of the current product name text with the
> CompanyName
> variable you create.
> 5. Select the variable. Press Ctrl+c. The variable is copied into the
> buffer.
> 6. Open the Find/Replace.
> 7. Type the text you want to find - in this case, it's the name of the
> company.
> 8. In the Replace area, select Copy from Clipboard.
> 9. Click Find Next.
> 10. Click Replace. Click Find Next.
> 11. Rinse and repeat until all text company names have been replaced with
> your variable.
> (This is all from memory, so parts may be slightly wrong)
>
> The advantage to this is that when they change the company name again - and
> they will - you change the value of the CompanyName variable and it's
> changed through out the file. Import that variable into all other documents
> and you're done.
>
> Do this for the product name as well, because if they are changing the
> company name, they'll change the product name. Usually at the last second.
>
>
> sharon
>
> Sharon Burton
> MadCap Software Product Consultant
> Managing your content, one topic at a time
> www.anthrobytes.com
> 951-369-8590
> IM: sharonvburton at yahoo.com
> Twitter: sharonburton
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Avraham Makeler
> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 10:00 AM
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: Find  Apply 
>
> It works. I thought I already tried this but it didn't work before.
> The guys on this forum obviously have "green fingers"...
>
> Just one small problem though... I used the Emphasis character style. I
> tried to apply "As is" to all the formatting of Emphasis, and then to set
> it
> to italics, but it didn't "stick". So when I then applied the Emphasis
> style
> to a title, for example, it changed the font of the word Acme to whatever
> size and color Emphasis is, which in my case, is italicized body text.
>
> >> As for applying italics without a character format, I think most would
> agree that this is a Bad Thing.
>
> I agree that this is not professional, but if I do it this way then at
> least
> I don't get the problem I get when I use a character style (Emphasis)
> above.
>
> Thanks,
>
> avi
>
>
>
>
>

Find Apply

You didn't create a new character format and apply it to the text in the
variable in the Variable dialog box. That's where you do it. 



Look in the Frame docs for more help.





sharon



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From: Avraham Makeler [mailto:amake...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 12:00 PM
To: sharon at anthrobytes.com
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Find  Apply 




Thanks Sharon,

Ok, I have done it and it works ...



... almost completely.



I am having the same problem with the character style that I had with
Roger_Shuttleworth's suggestion that I Find+Apply  the text string with my
desired character style. Namely, I can;t get the attributes of my style to
stay as "As Is" and so when I apply the style it does not just apply the
italic, which is what I want, but it applies all the specific style
attributes of the style.



Thanks,



avi 



On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 7:18 PM, Sharon Burton 
wrote:

1. Create a new character style with the attributes you want. Call it
TextItalics, for example.
2. Create a variable. Call it CompanyName.
3. Define the variable with the name of the product, using the new character
format, as needed.
4. Replace an instance of the current product name text with the CompanyName
variable you create.
5. Select the variable. Press Ctrl+c. The variable is copied into the
buffer.
6. Open the Find/Replace.
7. Type the text you want to find - in this case, it's the name of the
company.
8. In the Replace area, select Copy from Clipboard.
9. Click Find Next.
10. Click Replace. Click Find Next.
11. Rinse and repeat until all text company names have been replaced with
your variable.
(This is all from memory, so parts may be slightly wrong)

The advantage to this is that when they change the company name again - and
they will - you change the value of the CompanyName variable and it's
changed through out the file. Import that variable into all other documents
and you're done.

Do this for the product name as well, because if they are changing the
company name, they'll change the product name. Usually at the last second.



sharon

Sharon Burton
MadCap Software Product Consultant
Managing your content, one topic at a time
www.anthrobytes.com
951-369-8590
IM: sharonvburton at yahoo.com
Twitter: sharonburton



-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Avraham Makeler

Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 10:00 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com

Subject: Re: Find  Apply 

It works. I thought I already tried this but it didn't work before.
The guys on this forum obviously have "green fingers"...

Just one small problem though... I used the Emphasis character style. I
tried to apply "As is" to all the formatting of Emphasis, and then to set it
to italics, but it didn't "stick". So when I then applied the Emphasis style
to a title, for example, it changed the font of the word Acme to whatever
size and color Emphasis is, which in my case, is italicized body text.

>> As for applying italics without a character format, I think most would
agree that this is a Bad Thing.

I agree that this is not professional, but if I do it this way then at least
I don't get the problem I get when I use a character style (Emphasis) above.

Thanks,

avi

FM 9 vs. InDesign

Hi, John:

On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 1:03 PM, John Sgammato wrote:

> One "feature" to remember is the pool of talent available to maintain
> the docs if you are unable to.
> I know I (or my intern) can find in my current Rolodex FM users who
> could take over my docs if I get hit by a bus.

Always remember to stop, look, and listen, while walking and driving.

> At this time I could not
> do the same for InDesign users, so I would have to build that network,
> too.
>

Sounds like a good opportunity for a book on InDesign for FrameMaker users.
Hmmm...

Regards,

Peter

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FM 9 vs. InDesign

I'd buy it. I use both, and I know I underutilize INDD.

From: knowhowpro at gmail.com [mailto:knowhow...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of
Peter Gold
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 3:48 PM
To: John Sgammato
Cc: Rick Quatro; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: FM 9 vs. InDesign

Hi, John:

On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 1:03 PM, John Sgammato 
wrote:

One "feature" to remember is the pool of talent available to
maintain
the docs if you are unable to.
I know I (or my intern) can find in my current Rolodex FM users
who
could take over my docs if I get hit by a bus. 

Always remember to stop, look, and listen, while walking and driving.

At this time I could not
do the same for InDesign users, so I would have to build that
network,
too.

Sounds like a good opportunity for a book on InDesign for FrameMaker
users. Hmmm...

Regards,

Peter

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KnowHow ProServices

FM 9 vs. InDesign

Wow! I better get pushing on with the  ID for FM users book, now that it
looks like I've got a few copies on folks' wish lists. Thanks for the
interest, everyone. I'll keep you posted as I progress. I'd like to hear
about your specific interests and reasons/features present or missing in one
or the other product that motivate you to consider the changeover. If you'd
like to write me privately, use this address: id4fm at knowhowpro dot com.


Regards,


Peter

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On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 3:29 PM, Alan T Litchfield wrote:

> Me too. There are couple of projects that I have thought might be better
> done in ID because of the quality of type and problems I have had in the
> past with RGB artefacts in PDFs (I do get sick of having to tell prepress
> people how to do their job). I guess it is mainly ignorance and lack of time
> to sit down and nut through the process that has stopped me but with where
> ID has gone in CS4 (will go in CS5?) and where FM has gone in 9 I am seeing
> less difference between the products for the kind of work I do.
>
> Alan
>
>
> On 23/10/2009, at 8:59 AM, John Sgammato wrote:
>
>  I'd buy it. I use both, and I know I underutilize INDD.
>>
>> 
>>
>> From: knowhowpro at gmail.com [mailto:knowhowpro at gmail.com] On Behalf Of
>> Peter Gold
>> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 3:48 PM
>> To: John Sgammato
>> Cc: Rick Quatro; framers at lists.frameusers.com
>> Subject: Re: FM 9 vs. InDesign
>>
>>
>> Hi, John:
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 1:03 PM, John Sgammato 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>One "feature" to remember is the pool of talent available to
>> maintain
>>the docs if you are unable to.
>>I know I (or my intern) can find in my current Rolodex FM users
>> who
>>could take over my docs if I get hit by a bus.
>>
>>
>> Always remember to stop, look, and listen, while walking and driving.
>>
>>
>>At this time I could not
>>do the same for InDesign users, so I would have to build that
>> network,
>>too.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sounds like a good opportunity for a book on InDesign for FrameMaker
>> users. Hmmm...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Peter
>>
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>>
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>>
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Find Apply

Avraham Makeler wrote:

> Thanks Sharon,Ok, I have done it and it works ...
> 
> ... almost completely.

Sharon was absolutely correct about creating a variable. But there's a
"gotcha" with the Find/Replace strategy for replacing the company name
text with the variable: When you copy the variable (her step 5), you're
copying _that specific instance_ of the variable, including the
formatting of that instance (i.e., the formatting it inherits from the
pgf it's in). 

So if you copy an instance in body text, it works when you paste it into
body text, but when you paste it into a heading, it's the wrong size,
font, weight ... whatever. 

That's why I recommended EZVars from electropubs.com. It lets you
replace the company name text with a _new instance_ of the variable,
just as if you'd selected the text, selected Special > Variable, and
replaced the text with a variable. Give it a trial -- I think you'll
agree it's well worth the modest cost.

If for some reason you can't try EZVars, follow Sharon's instructions,
but in multiple stages. First, create and copy an instance of the
variable in body text and use it to replace all body text occurrences of
the company name. Then create and copy an instance of the variable in
your Heading 1 pgf and use it to replace Heading 1 occurrences of the
company name. Repeat for other pgf formats as necessary. 

Or, since there are probably far fewer replacements needed in headings,
etc., just use Find to select those and then use Special > Variable to
replace the text manually. 

HTH!

Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
--
rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
303-777-0436
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Find Apply

Richard, you are absolutely correct!

I just tested EZVars as well, and the method works perfectly.

Using EZVars, combined with Sharon's "add the character tag" to a
variable recommendation:

(a) creates the new variable with the required minimum set of
font changes like italic and spread and
(b) properly searches for and substitutes the variable for the
text.

FWIW, my most heavily used plug-in is Leximation's BookVars (by a wide
margin) ... and EZTools's EZVars is next. :)

Z

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Combs,
Richard
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 2:56 PM
To: Avraham Makeler
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Find  Apply 

Avraham Makeler wrote:

> Thanks Sharon,Ok, I have done it and it works ...
> 
> ... almost completely.

Sharon was absolutely correct about creating a variable. But there's a
"gotcha" with the Find/Replace strategy for replacing the company name
text with the variable: When you copy the variable (her step 5), you're
copying _that specific instance_ of the variable, including the
formatting of that instance (i.e., the formatting it inherits from the
pgf it's in). 

So if you copy an instance in body text, it works when you paste it into
body text, but when you paste it into a heading, it's the wrong size,
font, weight ... whatever. 

That's why I recommended EZVars from electropubs.com. It lets you
replace the company name text with a _new instance_ of the variable,
just as if you'd selected the text, selected Special > Variable, and
replaced the text with a variable. Give it a trial -- I think you'll
agree it's well worth the modest cost.

If for some reason you can't try EZVars, follow Sharon's instructions,
but in multiple stages. First, create and copy an instance of the
variable in body text and use it to replace all body text occurrences of
the company name. Then create and copy an instance of the variable in
your Heading 1 pgf and use it to replace Heading 1 occurrences of the
company name. Repeat for other pgf formats as necessary. 

Or, since there are probably far fewer replacements needed in headings,
etc., just use Find to select those and then use Special > Variable to
replace the text manually. 

HTH!

Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
--
rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
303-777-0436
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FAA

2009-10-22 Thread Whitney Broach

(Sorry for any duplication.)

If you've worked in doc dev at or for the Federal Aviation Administration,
please ping me off-list at whitney @ broachservices #dot^ com.

I'm being retained by an FAA contractor and am trying to get a sense of the
FAA's openness to single-sourcing in general, Frame-centric in particular,
for program deliverables.  Of course any guidance is welcome, especially if
constructive, empathetic, or both. :) 

Best regards,
Whitney

Does FM8 include Distiller as a separate executable?

2009-10-22 Thread Lidington, Ellen L

I know it was its own executable in 7.x. I am being told that it is
included differently in 8.x. If someone knows the relationship between
Distiller and FM in 8.x, I would appreciate your explaining it to me.
Thanks for your help.







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