Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos OpenGEM, batch files and application icons
Eric Auer wrote: Good morning Shane :-) Morning. BAT opens as text by default on purpose, as it's very easy for people to double-click BAT files and start applications that might break the GEM desktop session. Hmmm make it harder for BAT to break the session then? Why are normal COM / EXE less problematic here? OpenGEM uses lots of BAT files. If someone went and double-clicked one of those BAT files they could freeze their system, as GEM would load twice etc. Yes, I believe we have icons for applications. Generally EXE display with a generic executable icon. So this is why icons for DOS apps are a problem? Making an icon seems to be easy, but connecting it to a non-deskwork app seems to be the problem? EXE looks like EXE to GEM. I cannot tell the different between different applications, just file types. Of course, you can use the GEM settings.app to play with how an individual application is featured, creating a specific icon for that. Shane - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos OpenGEM, batch files and application icons
Christian Simonyi wrote: Probably my fault, but I did not find users guide on your site (except the faq). It would be nice to have one in the \DOC directory after installation. I'm really sorry. We don't have enough documentation right now. Would it be possible (is there anyone who have time to do this) to take a User Guide of a previous version of GEM as 'base' and rewrite it to be up-to date (I did not even find an earlier doc). I think the main problem is time. For me, I'm working about 10 hours per day in my job. I just don't have enough time to get things done. For instance, OpenGEM 7 is ready for release...just about. But I don't have time to double-check everything, fix any last bugs and release it. :( Shane - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Clarifications.
Hi Jack Jack wrote: I am not a lawyer, and I have no wish to be one. Anybody is free to use the source files for the UDMA/UDVD/XMGR drivers any way they wish. I hope THAT is clear-enough for you all. I really appreciate that you are making your development available for everyone. It's appreciated. I know you have your differences with various other developers. I'm glad you're not letting that get in the way of sharing useful technology. I have one minor suggestion. If you are releasing the source code of the UDMA/UDVD/XMGR drivers for any use whatsoever, could you put a small notice in the source files just stating that they are in the public domain (or Modified BSD or GPL)? Best regards Shane - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] oZone - test release
Florian Xaver wrote: now a small binary-version is vaiable too. Hi Flo This is Shane from OpenGEM :) I'm very interested in oZone. Can you tell me more about the technical details? How does it run, what limitations and advantages does it have? Shane - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Cleaning up the ibiblio archive
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jim Hall wrote: Hi. I'd like to take a moment to start cleaning up the ibiblio archive. Er...hope you're not chopping out the OpenGEM stuff... Shane :) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iQCVAwUBRTzVbdGa7CzA5hXyAQISlQP8CBmIDU2WQefvBog5a2aSIz71JWcOPy1X msREclCCjpiFeds76u9/2K4oKHNaXv68ATKRjBKXXqeQqpIl7IVunMelL0Hl9ojU E+RbO0BeGj/jYeXfQ5kCsu8nSjyzxICWih3LF5AHGWLAhUMEWq9Vf9GAkefE3o1C IySQjcY0BQs= =PgTn -END PGP SIGNATURE- - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] a free basic compiler
Eric Auer wrote: Hi, FreeBASIC seems to be a nice QuickBASIC alternative... If there are still BASIC users, I would like to get some comments about whether FreeBASIC is as nice as it sounds :-). The only real note I have is that it does have differences from QuickBASIC. * Default (DEF###) type of not explicitly declared variables * INTEGER's size * Function calling * Arrays not declared * Variables with same names as keywords * Alignament/Padding of TYPE fields * Fixed-len strings Regards Shane -- Shane Martin Coughlan e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] m: +447773180107 (UK) +353862262570 (Ire) w: www.opendawn.com --- OpenPGP: http://www.opendawn.com/shane/publickey.asc - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Wrote an article about upcoming FreeDOS 1.0...
Eric Auer wrote: maybe not the best article, but please rate it as good, so that it will be on the front site ;-)) (also if you don't speak German) http://www.readers-edition.de/neu I want to write a new article, when FreeDOS 1.0 is out ;-) Hi Florian, the URL of your article is: http://www.readers-edition.de/2006/07/27/noch-2-tage-bis-zur-veroeffentlichung-von-freedos-10 I'm really curious to see how FreeDOS does once it's out as a 1.0. Now, I have some rather exciting news: it looks like I'll be a conference in Taipei at the end of September. If it's possible to have a list of the Taiwanese tech firms that use or used FreeDOS I can perhaps visit them and get them to (a) upgrade and (b) perhaps mention it more. Shane -- Shane Martin Coughlan e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] m: +447773180107 (UK) +353862262570 (Ire) w: www.opendawn.com --- OpenPGP: http://www.opendawn.com/shane/publickey.asc - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] OpenGEM 6 is coming (get a testing copy right now!)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Boys and girls I'm very glad to announce OpenGEM 6 is (finally) about to be released. As you know OpenGEM is intended to provide a great GUI file manager for FreeDOS. Over the years we've made some real advances in usability and stability. John Elliott of the FreeGEM community has introduced a lot of really great code. His desktop has already brought new life to GEM and has been highly successful in OpenGEM 5. John has continued coding and OpenGEM 6 sees a great new advance: we now have support for the DOS international code page. This will greatly simplify any attempts to create international versions of OpenGEM. John Hupp has contributed a great deal of time and energy in the testing and deployment of new printing support for OpenGEM 6. We now support HP Deskjet+, Deskjet 560C, and Deskjet 612C printers. Other HP Deskjets might also work. You'll notice the new printer support when you open the GEM Output application. You'll also notice that we support postscript printing out-of-the-box. OpenGEM 6 is intended to provide a really great GUI for FreeDOS 1.0. This means we're looking at a long future for this particular release. It's therefore essential that OpenGEM 6 can be patched and updated easily. There is a new automatic install and update system to ensure this is possible. While OpenGEM 6 is opening it will look for either INSTALL.ZIP or UPDATE.ZIP files in the C:\ root. If it detects one of these files it will offer to update or install the system accordingly. This new framework will allow for the easy installation not only of system updates but also GEM applications. It is currently being documented for the OpenGEM website. Talking of the website...there is a new OpenGEM website coming. It will be at http://gem.opendawn.com. It's going to be simple, clear and will be created in XHTML. OpenGEM 6 will be released on the 14th of July. Please help make sure everything works by downloading and testing a copy of the system from http://www.opendawn.com/opengem6.zip. This download is around 2MB in size. The reason for the increase in size? Full support for different sound, video and printer drivers, different desk accessories and a system recovery option in case OpenGEM stops working. If you download the test version of OpenGEM 6 just drag and drop the files inside to your C:\ root (or - if you're using a command line - recursively unpack the files to your C:\ root). GEM at the C:\ prompt will start OpenGEM 6. SETUP at the C:\ prompt will bring you to the OpenGEM 6 setup options. If you need to load drivers or are having difficulty starting OpenGEM look inside the C:\GEM.BAT file. Perhaps you need to uncomment some options to ensure everything will load correctly. Regards Shane - -- Shane Martin Coughlan e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] m: +447773180107 (UK) +353862262570 (Ire) w: www.opendawn.com - --- OpenPGP: http://www.opendawn.com/shane/publickey.asc -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iQCVAwUBRLV+tdwG3M95JPpzAQjSfAQAoYMDqJnJWAxsE/eMQiWXwfvmTCRlROL+ IY4f95aMPMDI1OLa7DJ8JYWikEtzCZfmTvzbKEGXLeOy7DV2WFKkbtcGPIxqHy9f ypIvdTUDp3SBfU+NaQREgetSI/ICbvZqCq1LM5gJ2TgbsVGEQdNxueoO+1Nju02D 6+X8vS03B98= =6oFW -END PGP SIGNATURE- - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] OpenGEM 5 freezes/hangs/locks on FreeDOS 0.9 SR2
John Hupp wrote: In the course of off-list discussion, I tested this problem much more extensively than I reported here. My own conclusion was similar to your Situation #3: HIMEM and EMM386 are not at issue, and OpenGEM has one or more incompatibilities with the FreeDOS kernel. But I found further that the problem appeared on FAT32 partitions and not on FAT16 partitions. Perhaps that will further narrow the inquiry. John did indeed debug this quite extensively in a three-way conversation with Eric and myself. The results were: PRELIMINARY CONCLUSION: FreeDOS FAT32 support in FreeCOM/Kernel (wherever that support is located) seems to be the problem. It is [...] interesting that not all GEM apps trigger problems under FAT32. Fgdoodle seems to be the worst, and then the other freehand drawing apps Draw and Paint. So graphical rendering methods connect those. CASE 1: MS-DOS HIMEM on FAT32 Gem Desktop locks at quit Draw, Doodle and Paint all lock at start CASE 2: FreeDOS HIMEM on FAT32 Gem Desktop quits OK Draw, Paint all start OK, allow me to scribble a bit, and quit OK Doodle locks at quit CASE 3: MS-DOS HIMEM on FAT16 Everything works OK CASE 4: FreeDOS HIMEM on FAT16 Everything works OK OpenGEM runs fine on MS DOS machines running FAT32, as well as under Windows running FAT32. Regards Shane PS: John is my personal hero for having spent so much time working on this! -- Shane Martin Coughlan e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] m: +447773180107 (UK) +353862262570 (Ire) w: www.opendawn.com --- OpenPGP: http://www.opendawn.com/shane/publickey.asc Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] OpenGEM 5 freezes/hangs/locks on FreeDOS 0.9 SR2
John Hupp wrote: I went into this round of tests with this configuration, and cut back progressively as I describe below: LASTDRIVE=Z BUFFERS=30 FILES=40 DOS=HIGH,UMB DOSDATA=UMB DEVICE=C:\FDOS\BIN\HIMEM.EXE DEVICE=C:\FDOS\BIN\EMM386.EXE NOEMS X=TEST VDS SHELL=C:\command.com C:\ /E:512 /P=C:\AUTOEXEC.BAT Hi John As you pointed out the combination of FreeDOS Beta9sr2 and OpenGEM is working on a 486 machine, but there are weird errors when running the same setup with the same configuration on a Pentium machine. Let's see what happens if you have no HIMEN or EMM386. Will OpenGEM run applications correctly then? I'm wondering if it is possible that OpenGEM applications are making calls that the Pentium system is handling differently to the 486 system. Perhaps Eric could enlighten regarding this possibility? What is interesting here is that OpenGEM works fine under Windows 95/98/XP on Pentium class machines. I've also had no reports of errors like this from people using OpenGEM with FreeDOS before, so either something is happening with the particular kernel and freecom files in this distribution or it may be an issue with calling higher memory? Shane -- Shane Martin Coughlan e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] m: +447773180107 w: www.shaneland.co.uk --- Projects: http://mobility.opendawn.comhttp://gem.opendawn.com http://enigmail.mozdev.org http://www.winpt.org --- Organisations: http://www.fsfeurope.orghttp://www.fsf.org http://www.labour.org.ukhttp://www.opensourceacademy.gov.uk --- OpenPGP: http://www.shaneland.co.uk/personalpages/shane/files/publickey.asc ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] OT: TV show about copyright and the Internet
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Legal TV, a TV channel broadcasting on Sky 885, will have a show at noon tomorrow (Friday) about copyright and the Internet. DRM will also be addressed. I've been asked to take part in the show, and will fly the Free Software flag. If there is anything you want me to keep in mind while on the show, just email me. Regards Shane - -- Shane Martin Coughlan e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] m: +447773180107 w: www.shaneland.co.uk - --- Projects: http://mobility.opendawn.comhttp://gem.opendawn.com http://enigmail.mozdev.org http://www.winpt.org - --- Organisations: http://www.fsfeurope.orghttp://www.fsf.org http://www.labour.org.ukhttp://www.opensourceacademy.gov.uk - --- OpenPGP: http://www.shaneland.co.uk/personalpages/shane/files/publickey.asc -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.4-svn4127: (MingW32) iQCVAwUBRFCsydwG3M95JPpzAQgYDwP/YlxLuXAdK9WdbdtxzDZqwFvBUN6mJOR8 RpvXLy6F2cMkkbHo9WXMGe392YOidDAqYaZ4Z78rFJQZHp/6mTxTPwwhWqjri7Eg 4guiVARxeaeyjbDcvo3OMjHKpzCzAiIDy0ogPWpqxKEV8Q3mZ/uC7br/xG9tR2QH qvylb/5IWsQ= =3CI/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Problems with the lists?
Hi guys I was trying to access the FreeDOS mailing lists through the website, but I got Not Found The requested URL /mailman/listinfo/freedos-user was not found on this server. http://lists.sourceforge.net/mailman/listinfo/freedos-user I wanted to help a new user subscribe, but that's looking problematic now. Any suggestions? Shane --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] re: Not to flame but let others know ...
Escorter wrote: What's going on? What happened to FreeDOS? Everybody talking about a memory manager, but I can't imagine what happened. Who started the trouble? Let's just get back to work, eh? Lots to do. FreeDOS is in great shape, but some edges need polishing. The main distro needs fixing, and it'd be really cool to have a live CD or something :) I'm getting ready for OpenGEM 6, which should be out in May. Shane -- Shane Martin Coughlan e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] m: +447773180107 w: www.shaneland.co.uk --- Projects: http://mobility.opendawn.comhttp://gem.opendawn.com http://enigmail.mozdev.org http://www.winpt.org --- Organisations: http://www.fsfeurope.orghttp://www.fsf.org http://www.labour.org.ukhttp://www.opensourceacademy.gov.uk --- OpenPGP: http://www.shaneland.co.uk/personalpages/shane/files/publickey.asc --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Not to flame but let others know ...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 What a load of nonsense this is. Johnson Lam wrote: Forward an email from Jack, hoping everyone can understand what's going on, I'd like the others to understand the whole thing, not out of context: That was not a particularly useful thing to do Johnson. [...] months ago, and Jim Hall's refusal to delete XDMA/XCDROM on IBiblio! Hall's twisted view of the GNU Open-Source license makes him think he need NOT. I felt the GNU was NOT intended to limit my rights as their AUTHOR, so XDMA/XCDROM were gone in 24 hours! Completely incorrect. If you release something under GNU GPL license you cannot revoke that license. The GNU General Public License is intended to guarantee your freedom to share and change free software--to make sure the software is free for all its users. The license can only be selectively revoked if people break the terms contained inside the license. If this gent has any reason to doubt this, I suggest talking to Dave (Turner) at the Free Software Foundation. He's in charge of licenses, so you can contact him at [EMAIL PROTECTED] The rest of the email is a waste of time. Johnson, I stress that we are meant to be making software, not helping people vent their bile in public. Your reposting of this does not help the project in any way. There are real things that need to be done. The FreeDOS Beta9sr2 distribution is broken (and I am working to fix that). There are bugs listed in the roadmap. I suggest contributing to something useful. Shane OpenGEM Project Leader - -- Shane Martin Coughlan e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] m: +447773180107 w: www.shaneland.co.uk - --- Projects: http://mobility.opendawn.comhttp://gem.opendawn.com http://enigmail.mozdev.org http://www.winpt.org - --- Organisations: http://www.fsfeurope.orghttp://www.fsf.org http://www.labour.org.ukhttp://www.opensourceacademy.gov.uk - --- OpenPGP: http://www.shaneland.co.uk/personalpages/shane/files/publickey.asc -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.4-svn4102: (MingW32) iQCVAwUBREX09NwG3M95JPpzAQjeywP/ZDOx2xpAU8D9pa69Vc1Rg/r0c1U/No9T eb86fUpAI3SahcZjA3n+S5mnqNzDqMQ+rdWUA3NPDOhPCsLI7BXNEW3F8AcpBwaJ Nqncjgj1ncs1e1n5zuRXvxiQcsVrBRLuWIAPOJjUWvCQiBOfrdqIZ72nlqkTfK6/ 6fW7+EWBCkY= =45d+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Getting stuff done
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hi everyone The FreeDOS Beta9sr2 distribution has some errors with the installer, and needs to be replaced. I'm having a look at the CD ISO and the floppy image this week. Does anyone have a neat list of what updated files could go into a new FreeDOS release? On another note, I downloaded and installed Arachne 1.90gpl (http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/). Blair, might this go into a future release from you? Daniel, GNU/DOS...any news? Regards Shane - -- Shane Martin Coughlan e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] m: +447773180107 w: www.shaneland.co.uk - --- Projects: http://mobility.opendawn.comhttp://gem.opendawn.com http://enigmail.mozdev.org http://www.winpt.org - --- Organisations: http://www.fsfeurope.orghttp://www.fsf.org http://www.labour.org.ukhttp://www.opensourceacademy.gov.uk - --- OpenPGP: http://www.shaneland.co.uk/personalpages/shane/files/publickey.asc -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.4-svn4102: (MingW32) iQCVAwUBREYGDNwG3M95JPpzAQhBQQP8CYlUxH83DAPn/tVYgpgzQAdWr3cq4J6H ydHH2O687P3aC+gyRWdy98FOVrxFwkCRacMBoPPXiKUJbl3hbsbVtCWXfgWnPkaS XP132GPZE5LuCnXFWZemdeZNkSzZlK5FdTeMBiJ6kG6RjO0qmvCndNRF/mt4QpdZ wQRQXBbnahk= =ZKAt -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Software patents, and a way to get your voice heard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 As you may or may not know, the European Union is reconsidering patent law once again. This is a very serious matter, as there is a distinct possibility that software patents could be introduced in Europe. We might even see the US software patent validity extend to our nations. The European Union has launched a consultation process regarding this matter. This is where you can really get your voice heard. The deadline was originally March 31st, but has now been extended to April 12th: http://europa.eu.int/comm/internal_market/indprop/patent/consultation_en.htm This is probably in no small part thanks to FSFE's associate organisation FFII, who also have a website with useful info about this consultation: http://consultation.ffii.org/ If anyone is stuck for time, they could endorse FSFE's response, and if they have time, they could add comments or examples of there own. A html copy of FSFE's response is now at: http://fsfeurope.org/projects/swpat/fsfe-patstrat-response.en.html Please *do* send a comment if you can, or (even better!) endorse the FSFE position on the matter. Regards Shane - -- Shane Martin Coughlan e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] m: +447773180107 w: www.shaneland.co.uk - --- Projects: http://mobility.opendawn.comhttp://gem.opendawn.com http://enigmail.mozdev.org http://www.winpt.org - --- Organisations: http://www.fsfeurope.orghttp://www.fsf.org http://www.labour.org.ukhttp://www.opensourceacademy.gov.uk - --- OpenPGP: http://www.shaneland.co.uk/personalpages/shane/files/publickey.asc -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.4-cvs: (MingW32) iQCVAwUBRDgf79wG3M95JPpzAQgfCQP/Sd29b+n7Xz/91G1Etes1awCLhcll5qqB KgBIqWAa+bvJaOcpH0bCworf+y53z1dRSeOpYpO20yi+aVPqqt80wczyiaXtLm+V Aflb/axX6fpifAC+SKrLpZAmTp/3tGWnoz3+L92UgEpifahpPk3Dsld/SsK45V7w 1kbDMuTp60A= =qXFT -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] [OT] DRM and Free Software...the perspective of the OpenGEM chap
Gerry Hickman wrote: As I see it, the way forward for DRM and trusted computing will annoy people and they will end up shunning it. To some extent this is happening already, but even Adobe is in on the act now with their secure PDFs and most end users will simply end up with what they're given with their next hardware purchase - e.g. Windows Vista with everything locked down and DRM enabled. I hope the GNU people get it together to outlaw DRM in their new license. One other thing to note is that no one outside the US/UK gives a damn about any corporation's rights to anything; in Japan and China, copying is the norm. Hi Gerry, thank you so much for your thoughtful and useful feedback. I think DRM will annoy people, but I also believe they will substantially accept it simply because most large companies will use it. It'll be the norm. AMD has no reason to reject DRM and 'Trusted Computing.' It will be profitable for AMD to work with the system, as it'll mean that the next generation of media products will work on their platform. To deny 'Trusted Computing' could mean losing market share. The Free Software Foundations around the world are working very hard to engage with this issue. If you are in the USA, please consider joining in at www.fsf.org, and helping with either a donation or be donating your time. If you are based in Europe, please consider becoming a fellow of the FSFE at www.fsfe.org. We're working really hard to counter patents (http://fsfeurope.org/projects/swpat/fsfe-patstrat-response.pdf) and to make sure that DRM is not going to take over our lives. Regards Shane -- Shane Martin Coughlan e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] m: +447773180107 w: www.shaneland.co.uk --- Projects: http://mobility.opendawn.comhttp://gem.opendawn.com http://enigmail.mozdev.org http://www.winpt.org --- Organisations: http://www.fsfeurope.orghttp://www.fsf.org http://www.labour.org.ukhttp://www.opensourceacademy.gov.uk --- OpenPGP: http://www.shaneland.co.uk/personalpages/shane/files/publickey.asc --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] [OT] DRM and Free Software...the perspective of the OpenGEM chap
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 BruceIrving wrote: That is a very thoughtful and interesting article, Shane. We need more information of this type and, you are right, we NEED to discuss it. In the past, DRM fell into the same category as Microsoft's COM -- it does something, but I haven't the slightest idea what it is supposed to do! Bruce, thank you so much for your comments. I believe you hit the nail on the (DRM) head when you said I haven't the slightest idea what it is supposed to do! The entire subject has been so wrapped up in FUD from both sides that sometimes it's hard to work out what's going on. This reminds me of my own research into Six Sigma, that quantitative management analysis technique from Japan that was American Hippified and has become the key methodology for many major companies. When I first started researching Six Sigma everyone was so busy saying how cool it was, and how it would change everything, that they completely forgot to explain what it really is. I guess it just sounds boring to say it's a statistical approach to problem solving, with the inherent assumption that all problems can be expressed and solved through numbers. We need to cut through the nonsense with DRM, ask what is this?, what will it mean to people? and what are the long-term implications. Once we do that, we'll be able to make sensible decisions about the subject. Shane - -- Shane Martin Coughlan e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] m: +447773180107 w: www.shaneland.co.uk - --- Projects: http://mobility.opendawn.comhttp://gem.opendawn.com http://enigmail.mozdev.org http://www.winpt.org - --- Organisations: http://www.fsfeurope.orghttp://www.fsf.org http://www.labour.org.ukhttp://www.opensourceacademy.gov.uk - --- OpenPGP: http://www.shaneland.co.uk/personalpages/shane/files/publickey.asc -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3-cvs4067* (MingW32) iQCVAwUBRCwrjdwG3M95JPpzAQjVfwP/Yr+2krbtMWX7YuPPz7wc7ljoi6nRvgzU 7gXTxuBJ9lc/CMSJpwfVWk62/0sUXPwBojx6U9RpiLM1F7uaLZh8TPPlJBQ0MXtC HDPyPXjFTp/pI0cVFhoVu316cgCpp9JDXQkpY2Es8TnZWSZc26EPMGgqQ5JZ6I8m 6SkUqlvnKnE= =0XRW -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] [OT] DRM and Free Software...the perspective of the OpenGEM chap
chris evans wrote: Who defines this assumed trust in software? The user of the manufacturer? The way I see it the file can have a crc or md5 signed trusted info block to verify who wrote/and distributed it. and the user can have control over which is excluded. In 'Trusted Computing' the user does not decide what is trusted. The companies get to decide this. That's the main problem with the system. Shane -- Shane Martin Coughlan e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] m: +447773180107 w: www.shaneland.co.uk --- Projects: http://mobility.opendawn.comhttp://gem.opendawn.com http://enigmail.mozdev.org http://www.winpt.org --- Organisations: http://www.fsfeurope.orghttp://www.fsf.org http://www.labour.org.ukhttp://www.opensourceacademy.gov.uk --- OpenPGP: http://www.shaneland.co.uk/personalpages/shane/files/publickey.asc --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Release 2 is strange
Marten Feldtmann wrote: All that software is strange. The CD-ROm installation did not do the work and now I tried to install via the discs and all these installations break with missing files here and missing files there. Especially textinst.exe is missing ... It would be very useful if you could make a list of all the problems, and post them here. For example: 1 - When I type install, it says Install is now working Then the screen fills with error messages that all say File not found It is obviously highly important to debug any problems, and it will save so much time if we can isolate them exactly. Regards Shane -- Shane Martin Coughlan e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] m: +447773180107 w: www.shaneland.co.uk --- Projects: http://mobility.opendawn.comhttp://gem.opendawn.com http://enigmail.mozdev.org http://www.winpt.org --- Organisations: http://www.fsfeurope.orghttp://www.fsf.org http://www.labour.org.ukhttp://www.opensourceacademy.gov.uk --- OpenPGP: http://www.shaneland.co.uk/personalpages/shane/files/publickey.asc --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Requesting information about OpenGEM use
dima wrote: I have download this archive (3244731 Mar 12 00:09 OpenGEMXM.zip). When I try to start it: Bad command or filename - GEMVDI. Looks like gemvdi.exe missing on x:, but: That's interesting, because you showed me that X: contains all the correct folders. GEMVDI is inside one of those folders, and it should therefore run correctly. Let's do some testing. First of all, are you using FreeDOS? What version? P.S. Sorry for my bad english. Your English is fine! I hope I can help you to solve this problem. Regards Shane -- Shane Martin Coughlan e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] m: +447773180107 w: www.shaneland.co.uk --- Projects: http://mobility.opendawn.comhttp://gem.opendawn.com http://enigmail.mozdev.org http://www.winpt.org --- Organisations: http://www.fsfeurope.orghttp://www.fsf.org http://www.labour.org.ukhttp://www.opensourceacademy.gov.uk --- OpenPGP: http://www.shaneland.co.uk/personalpages/shane/files/publickey.asc --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] OpenGEM 6 Development 2
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hello all Some news for people who are waiting for the next major release of OpenGEM. Huh? Some people scratch their head. Are you talking about the new multi-tasking OpenGEM/XM experimental code? No. I'm not. The experimental OpenGEM/XM code is experimental. It's not going to be ready for general use for a while. The next major release of OpenGEM will be single-tasking, and will be building on OpenGEM 5. In other words, it'll be small, stable, and designed for easy use. OpenGEM 6 will bring some new features to the OpenGEM world. It's going to have support for HP deskjet printers and postscript printers out-of-the-box, and work is underway to introduce a new package management system to make it easy to install and remove GEM applications. The newest development version of OpenGEM 6 is now online here: http://gem.shaneland.co.uk/downloads/OpenGEM6Dev2.zip It will be active at this link for at least seven days (until 20:00 GMT, March 20th). It has one big change from previous OpenGEM versions. There is a highly experimental new feature to put OpenGEM into only one folder on your C:\ drive. To do this, you get one folder (OPENGEM) and one file (GEM.BAT) in your C:\ root. When you run GEM.BAT it SUBSTs the OPENGEM folder to the imaginary drive O:. This feature may or may not make it into the final shipping version. Testing and feedback is requested. Regards Shane - -- Shane Martin Coughlan e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] m: +447773180107 w: www.shaneland.co.uk - --- Projects: http://mobility.opendawn.comhttp://gem.opendawn.com http://enigmail.mozdev.org http://www.winpt.org - --- Organisations: http://www.fsfeurope.orghttp://www.fsf.org http://www.labour.org.ukhttp://www.opensourceacademy.gov.uk - --- OpenPGP: http://www.shaneland.co.uk/personalpages/shane/files/publickey.asc -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3rc2-cvs4061: (MingW32) iQCVAwUBRBXUVNwG3M95JPpzAQhkAAQAqNpVsIoDdnQOfWuwM9uswhV9ZCyWhGKu 4azIfWy/m7zI2cigIR8XxGY+7V1eSza94QfcULGk/rBYlXT4j6FPkHILCPXPVpKr Y/yAIGH4iJj/lpFP71ThLULDGpRg6KH+PGRteGjli2GHIv4FFC6BJleTNqcUkWPy xxL/I9pm1tA= =d89b -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Requesting information about OpenGEM use
dima wrote: I don't use OpenGEM, because I am disagree with installation method, which make a much new directories on C:\ A very valid point. I am looking at fixing that issue with new releases of OpenGEM. The latest development release of OpenGEM/XM (the multi-tasking development distribution) actually only creates one file (GEM.BAT) and one directory (OPENGEM) in your C:\ root. That makes everything look a lot cleaner in my opinion. Of course, we need to see if people like the idea! The version of OpenGEM/XM that creates only one folder in your C:\ drive is at http://gem.shaneland.co.uk/downloads/OpenGEMXM.zip Meanwhile, there is a more traditional single-tasking development version of what might become OpenGEM 6 at http://gem.shaneland.co.uk/downloads/OpenGEM6Dev1.zip. This version is almost exactly the same as OpenGEM 5 Core, but it supports printing from HP Deskjet printers. If anyone could test this technology to make sure it works for them, that would be great. There is no installer, so just unzip the package to your C:\ drive. You can install it on top of an existing OpenGEM 5 Core installation if you are really brave. On a final note, I'm completely broke. Making rent this month will be hard enough, let alone covering server costs. If anyone wants to help out with paying for the technology costs behind the OpenGEM Project there is a donation link at the bottom of this page: http://gem.shaneland.co.uk/index.html. Regards Shane -- Shane Martin Coughlan e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] m: +447773180107 w: www.shaneland.co.uk --- Projects: http://mobility.opendawn.comhttp://gem.opendawn.com http://enigmail.mozdev.org http://www.winpt.org --- OpenPGP: http://www.shaneland.co.uk/personalpages/shane/files/publickey.asc --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Requesting information about OpenGEM use
Hi guys This is Shane Coughlan from the OpenGEM project. I am glad to say that work is underway both on a new version of OpenGEM and a project to create a multi-tasking OpenGEM. I want to ask everyone how they use OpenGEM, what they would like to see in the future, and to generally get a lot of suggestions about how OpenGEM can be a better GUI for FreeDOS. Regards Shane -- Shane Martin Coughlan e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] m: +447773180107 w: www.shaneland.co.uk --- Projects: http://mobility.opendawn.comhttp://gem.opendawn.com http://enigmail.mozdev.org http://www.winpt.org --- OpenPGP: http://www.shaneland.co.uk/personalpages/shane/files/publickey.asc --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] OpenGEM/XM Development 2 now out
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hello everyone The second development package of what will become OpenGEM/XM (a multi-tasking version of OpenGEM) is now on line. You can download it here: http://gem.shaneland.co.uk/downloads/OpenGEMXM.zip This development version sees a new directory structure for OpenGEM that means it only creates one directory in your C:\ drive. It makes everything a little neater. To run OpenGEM/XM Development 2, just run GEM.BAT after unzipping everything to your C: root and keeping the folder structure. Do NOT install this over an existing OpenGEM installation, as the directory structures are different and you'll end up with a mess. If you are using OpenGEM 5 or previous, and want to try this, please backup OpenGEM 5 and delete all the files. The code here is FreeGEM/XM 3.0beta4 (http://www.deltasoft.com/downloads/gemxm.zip) and John Elliott's new GEMVDI for GEM/XM (http://www.seasip.info/Gem/Software/qdxm2.zip). These were installed with the applications from OpenGEM 5 Complete and a new version of GEM.BAT. Please try out this system, and let me know if it works for you! We are working towards having a wonderful multi-tasking GUI for FreeDOS really soon. Regards Shane - -- Shane Martin Coughlan e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] m: +447773180107 w: www.shaneland.co.uk - --- Projects: http://mobility.opendawn.comhttp://gem.opendawn.com http://enigmail.mozdev.org http://www.winpt.org - --- OpenPGP: http://www.shaneland.co.uk/personalpages/shane/files/publickey.asc -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3-cvs-4055: (MingW32) iQCVAwUBRBCeoNwG3M95JPpzAQhcbwQArBaujP/i4Ru/0g6+yu/f95GZDMIH4GP2 Zs8k2tA9Nq9ty82W2ac9fuTYFhypzMQ1KOf4bq3mDMiFnOx2ingNsr0VrnkqOOAq m4spfeehHpKDegY6CSuIBZNvaOFZqo0YiQYc0JelB+CpWgTG4xgnpcDzHDOmpvki tALp4NLSNWs= =h9yP -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Multitasking OpenGEM on its way
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hi guys The first development package of what will become OpenGEM/XM (a multi-tasking version of OpenGEM) is now online. You can download it here: To run it, just run GEM.BAT after unzipping everything to your C: root and keeping the folder structure. Do NOT install this over an existing OpenGEM installation, as the directory structures are different and you'll end up with a mess. If you are using OpenGEM 5 or previous, and want to try this, please backup OpenGEM 5 and delete all the files. This needs testing. Many things do NOT work yet. For instance, trying to run Output will result in a rather fun crash. Please test, and send reports. You need to make sure your Z: drive is not in use, as OpenGEM/XM will use this as a virtual memory area. The code here is FreeGEM/XM 3.0beta4 (http://www.deltasoft.com/downloads/gemxm.zip) and John Elliott's new GEMVDI for GEM/XM (http://www.seasip.info/Gem/Software/qdxm2.zip). These were installed with the applications from OpenGEM 5 Complete and a cut-down version of GEM.BAT. Exiting times lie ahead! All reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Shane - -- Shane Martin Coughlan e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] m: +447773180107 w: www.shaneland.co.uk - --- Projects: http://mobility.opendawn.comhttp://gem.opendawn.com http://enigmail.mozdev.org http://www.winpt.org - --- OpenPGP: http://www.shaneland.co.uk/personalpages/shane/files/publickey.asc -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3rc1-4029: (MingW32) iQCVAwUBRAnG+NwG3M95JPpzAQicaQP/QBh1s2VwJoaGDXevOEd9RrKI5+5/yN15 gFkn4Abu/R1Bo76/RkR23lkRK286OdYu5Gn9Vg/M6GDntcBNjQAjfvz6VW1JZiHb F9/Q2Cgt9bIPKsoEgLMJ8RCEUprG1qjCC1rvVXNePpMDYB1FV8VQyS9SBfWlAyMp IbIk7E0MfpA= =essz -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Multitasking OpenGEM on its way - missing URL
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hi guys The first development package of what will become OpenGEM/XM (a multi-tasking version of OpenGEM) is now online. You can download it here: http://gem.shaneland.co.uk/downloads/OpenGEMxmDevelopment1.zip To run it, just run GEM.BAT after unzipping everything to your C: root and keeping the folder structure. Do NOT install this over an existing OpenGEM installation, as the directory structures are different and you'll end up with a mess. If you are using OpenGEM 5 or previous, and want to try this, please backup OpenGEM 5 and delete all the files. This needs testing. Many things do NOT work yet. For instance, trying to run Output will result in a rather fun crash. Please test, and send reports. You need to make sure your Z: drive is not in use, as OpenGEM/XM will use this as a virtual memory area. The code here is FreeGEM/XM 3.0beta4 (http://www.deltasoft.com/downloads/gemxm.zip) and John Elliott's new GEMVDI for GEM/XM (http://www.seasip.info/Gem/Software/qdxm2.zip). These were installed with the applications from OpenGEM 5 Complete and a cut-down version of GEM.BAT. Exiting times lie ahead! All reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Shane - -- Shane Martin Coughlan e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] m: +447773180107 w: www.shaneland.co.uk - --- Projects: http://mobility.opendawn.comhttp://gem.opendawn.com http://enigmail.mozdev.org http://www.winpt.org - --- OpenPGP: http://www.shaneland.co.uk/personalpages/shane/files/publickey.asc -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3rc1-4029: (MingW32) iQCVAwUBRAnHU9wG3M95JPpzAQju8AQAtqAyZxxTwocnw/oxD2CQNp3YQtaxXZef u6s4pYuslIDpVkKXlG8f3PgVK9asNEMSJhQODP5w8p+wDFeQqYcvZqB68Dh0A0YP qRXnnYrZXrceAR6JU2feOec/JH5RZSVMRRiT9WehBHLKXtiHbK2EBxDTW2n9Xw5W 2U29Ukh7o0s= =RSpW -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] OpenGEM Complete 5 is out now (GUI for FreeDOS)
Almost a month behind its smaller sister, OpenGEM Complete 5 is out now. You can download it from http://gem.shaneland.co.uk This is a massive update from OpenGEM Complete 4, with a completely new user interface, 3D boxes, and drive auto-detection. To install it over an existing version of OpenGEM, simply run the installer, and when if prompted agree to overwrite existing files. Many thanks to Daniel Quintiliani for helping to debug this release, and many thanks to all of you for waiting so patiently. There will be an updated OpenGEM SDK out within two days with more documentation and new source code. Meanwhile, if you need the latest GEM desktop or AES source code, it can be obtained from http://www.seasip.info. Best regards and a happy new year Shane OpenGEM Project Leader -- Shane Martin Coughlan e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] m: +447773180107 w: www.shaneland.co.uk --- Projects: http://mobility.opendawn.comhttp://gem.opendawn.com http://enigmail.mozdev.org http://www.winpt.org --- OpenPGP: http://www.shaneland.co.uk/personalpages/shane/files/publickey.asc --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637alloc_id=16865op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS and OpenGem on the $100 Laptop?
Tom Lee Mullins wrote: Do you think it one could use FreeDOS and OpenGem on MIT's $100 laptop computer? http://laptop.media.mit.edu/ -- I sent them an e-mail about it. :) Hi Tom Technically, yes...running FreeDOS and OpenGEM on the $100 laptop should work. However, I'm not sure that it would be the best option. Red Hat are currently making the OS for the laptop, and that means we'll see Linux 2.6 with Gnome 2.10 or 2.12 preloaded. The 500mz CPU should handle that load fine. In terms of functionality it would be a considerable downgrade to use FreeDOS/OpenGEM. However, if we were talking about having an environment that is simple, fast and easy to hack around with, the FreeDOS/OpenGEM combination could provide a great learning system. FreeDOS is very close to 1.0, and OpenGEM 5 is a pretty strong system. As a combination we're looking at tools that are both interesting and useful. I can see several applications - Rescue tools - Learning development environments - File management tasks FreeDOS is useful perhaps for embedded work in addition to a normal OS. We have to balance these ideas against the strength of Linux. Linux is a very powerful system, and it runs on a lot of hardware. There is no point in being unrealistic about our (DOS-based system) position against theirs: in desktop and server it's almost always got to be Linux. It's like the way people email me asking when OpenGEM will be 32bit with multi-tasking and have 16million colors. I'm never going to try and do that. If you want that, I suggest getting GNOME on Linux or BSD. If I was to make something that was 32bit, multitasking and had millions of colors I would make GNOME anyway. We should focus on our main markets (low power machines, embedded and hobbyist), and provide the best tools we possibly can for these people. Shane Project Leader OpenGEM [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://gem.shaneland.co.uk --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637alloc_id=16865op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] OpenGEM 5 Core GUI for FreeDOS released
Hello all I'm delighted to announce that OpenGEM 5 Core has been released. You can download it right away from http://gem.shaneland.co.uk. OpenGEM 5 Core is the first release of the next generation of the OpenGEM GUI, a GPL GUI distribution for DOS. It has many advanced features. These include, but are not limited to: - 3D windows - Automatic drive detection - An internal file viewer - New system fonts - New pointer icons - Automatically viewing contents of .TXT,.INF,.NFO,.BAT and .CFG files These powerful features were added to the FreeGEM codebase by John Elliott. OpenGEM 5 Core is tiny. It's around half the size of OpenGEM 4 Core, even though it's a lot more powerful. The download size of OpenGEM 5 Core is only 300kb, and when installed it's only 500kb. OpenGEM 5 Core is intended to be the best choice around for a FreeDOS File Manager. The OpenGEM 5 family is designed to be the GUI of choice for FreeDOS 1.0. Because we want to make sure everything works perfectly, we're not going to rush releases. OpenGEM 5 Core is out now, OpenGEM 5 Complete should appear before the end of December, and OpenGEM 5 Deutsch is projected to be complete sometime next year. Special packages to update OpenGEM 4 Core to OpenGEM 5 Core will be released later this month. Best regards to all Shane Coughlan http://gem.shaneland.co.uk --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637alloc_id=16865op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] OT: Web hosting needed for a binary distribution
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bernd Blaauw wrote: might be interesting to join the Portable Thunderbird project instead. http://johnhaller.com/jh/mozilla/portable_thunderbird/ Let them do the hosting :) My project is based on a project that is based on PortableThunderbird, so we're covering much of the same ground. However, I'm implimenting a holistic security solution on top of the email client. Our goals are actually pretty different. PortableThunderbird is making sure you can take Thunderbird anywhere. Conversely, I'm using Thunderbird as the core of a complete secure communication system that is perfectly mobile. Regards Shane -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (MingW32) iD8DBQFDNo7fTa6KuhPvdOoRAmhKAJ92W2DkNIG3o7lJYg4EqgZPQ4ktaQCeN3T5 sjruHQfKbG5pzYJTv++pXIY= =zs9H -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Tame your development challenges with Apache's Geronimo App Server. Download it for free - -and be entered to win a 42 plasma tv or your very own Sony(tm)PSP. Click here to play: http://sourceforge.net/geronimo.php ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] OT: Web hosting needed for a binary distribution
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello all I am currently understaking a new project to make a highly mobile and secure version of the Thunderbird email client (includings like Enigmail and TrueCrypt containers). The problem is that my website is maxed out providing the OpenGEM GUI files to people (I've already had to increase my hosting plan once this year). Does anyone have spare server space to host the binary files of my new project, Mobility Email? I would need about 30mb server space. The issue is likely to be traffic, which might get quite high. Regards Shane - - -- Shane M. Coughlan BA(hons) MA EMAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WEB: www.shaneland.co.uk MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] AOL: ShaneMCoughlan Yahoo: shane_c ICQ: 32280303 - - -- I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by. - Douglas Adams - - -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (MingW32) iD8DBQFDNK9yTa6KuhPvdOoRAnT8AJ9HYmslsC7R+9WN5/HU1PXgbrw21QCgszBS 3ujVeMP68u5bc27vT/0QGHk= =OJFD -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Tame your development challenges with Apache's Geronimo App Server. Download it for free - -and be entered to win a 42 plasma tv or your very own Sony(tm)PSP. Click here to play: http://sourceforge.net/geronimo.php ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] GPG
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Carl Spitzer wrote: Are there any ports of up to date versions for GEMini or any other GUI? Excellent question. I'm trying to find someone to port GnuPG 1.4.1 to DOS. That would enable us to make a little GnuPG frontend for OpenGEM and GEMini. Perhaps...*ahem*...Blair might like to try the challenge :P Regards Shane Coughlan OpenGEM Lead Developer http://gem.shaneland.co.uk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (MingW32) iD8DBQFDJ5nlTa6KuhPvdOoRApW/AKD+yetdEutQ9ihKBmnTx50U2IYV+ACfeEMw f3EhMjtf+3mERHd7WmgbGiI= =4cFn -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Tame your development challenges with Apache's Geronimo App Server. Download it for free - -and be entered to win a 42 plasma tv or your very own Sony(tm)PSP. Click here to play: http://sourceforge.net/geronimo.php ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] OpenGEM and GEM Drivers for DOS
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello guys I wanted to let you know that John Elliott has created a special section in his website listing all the GEM video, printer, metafile and imaging drivers that he could find. To quote from his release email: Those drivers which I've been able to find and which have the DRI copyright message, I've made downloadable. Of the others, I've highlighted them in red if no copy is known to exist on the Web, and in yellow if I've got a copy but the copyright message indicates non-DRI authorship. This should help make sure the OpenGEM GUI can run on as many DOS systems as possible. John's driver list is at: http://www.seasip.info/Gem/Drivers/index.html OpenGEM can be downloaded from: http://gem.shaneland.co.uk Regards - -- Shane M. Coughlan BA(hons) MA EMAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WEB: www.shaneland.co.uk MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] AOL: ShaneMCoughlan Yahoo: shane_c ICQ: 32280303 - -- I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by. - Douglas Adams - -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (MingW32) iD8DBQFDH4rgTa6KuhPvdOoRAoI0AJ4/CvmTv+VamkwVWaKcik2H2EE1vACg2FDy WQ1Celo5N42l3tOY0vyiwtw= =hqBd -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] OpenGEM and GEM Drivers for DOS
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello guys I wanted to let you know that John Elliott has created a special section in his website listing all the GEM video, printer, metafile and imaging drivers that he could find. To quote from his release email: Those drivers which I've been able to find and which have the DRI copyright message, I've made downloadable. Of the others, I've highlighted them in red if no copy is known to exist on the Web, and in yellow if I've got a copy but the copyright message indicates non-DRI authorship. This should help make sure the OpenGEM GUI can run on as many DOS systems as possible. John's driver list is at: http://www.seasip.info/Gem/Drivers/index.html OpenGEM can be downloaded from: http://gem.shaneland.co.uk Regards - -- Shane M. Coughlan BA(hons) MA EMAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WEB: www.shaneland.co.uk MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] AOL: ShaneMCoughlan Yahoo: shane_c ICQ: 32280303 - -- I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by. - - Douglas Adams -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (MingW32) iD8DBQFDH5XPTa6KuhPvdOoRAhH7AKDHqCOnzi492xeKgK36SB1K0QJMNgCbBTE8 SVQV8JQSxMx/hV3IZ1MibBw= =T4Xt -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] The future of FreeDOS GUIs is arriving! OpenGEM Project Liberation is now available
Carlos wrote: The screenshots look great! I'm gonna use it. Thanks Shane You're welcome Carlos! OpenGEM GUI has been under development now since late 2001, and we've been focusing strongly on FreeDOS since around mid-2002. With OpenGEM 4 we finally got a GUI framework that was around the level of commerical stability, and Project Liberation is building on that. Hopefully by the time it's out of beta, we'll have an exceptionally strong GUI for FreeDOS. Many people deserve thanks for what's happening in OpenGEM now. John Elliott, who has programmed all the new stuff. Thorsten Franke, who made the German translation for OpenGEM 4. Blair Campbell, who did the testing needed to get Project Liberation released. And many more! You can find out more about Project Liberation at http://gem.shaneland.co.uk/projectliberation.htm You can read an interview about it at http://gem.shaneland.co.uk/interview3.html Regards Shane [EMAIL PROTECTED] gem.shaneland.co.uk --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] [SEAL] and xdosemu just work
I was told about Ozone recently, and I had a look at it. I've not tested it myself. It looks lovely, though I am told be a user it suffers from reliability problems. You said FreeGEM works on XDOSEMU. Is this OpenGEM, or another FreeGEM distribution? Best regards Shane Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] OpenGEM : http://gem.shaneland.co.uk --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] [SEAL] and xdosemu just work
Blair Campbell wrote: Ozone is relaitively stable for me, but running certain programs under it can cause it to crash easily. It is not very useful as there are very few apps for it, and it is no longer in development, so it's basically only really useable as a file manager. Talking of development, I've was contacted recently by someone who is interested in developing faxing and database applications for OpenGEM. If they progress with their development the applications will be coded in TurboPascal I believe. Be nice to see some new applications appear for OpenGEM, and the rest of the GEM community. By the way, downloads of OpenGEM 4 have passed 2,000 since it's release a month and a half ago. About 90% of the downloads appear to be FreeDOS people. Nice to see that! Regards Shane Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] OpenGEM: http://gem.shaneland.co.uk --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] OpenGEM GUI goes German! Official release today...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 - - OpenGEM Deutsch is now available (12/8/05) Thanks to the heroic work of Thorsten Franke, OpenGEM Deutsch is now complete and is officially released! This German language version of OpenGEM is almost identical to OpenGEM Core, though it has a slightly less modern desktop and includes more driver files. It features drag and drop support, a word processor, and is 100% compatible with the English versions of OpenGEM. You can download it from http://gem.shaneland.co.uk Thorsten is officially in charge of OpenGEM Deutsch, and will be working to develop both this software, and improve the English version of OpenGEM. Regards Shane [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://gem.shaneland.co.uk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (MingW32) iD8DBQFC/KsiTa6KuhPvdOoRAgIKAJ4nuV2pA/BPV8MB4rcmbhNg4B/DaACeOjEz EVK48zMU4UI8tJqtLdfLhlc= =gBbm -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] OpenGEM goes multi-lingual, and development of a multi-tasking GEM is underway
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dear everyone I thought I would share some news that may be of interest to a lot of people out there. First of all, OpenGEM is after going German! OpenGEM Deutsch is now at release candidate 1, and should be a fully functional German OpenGEM! We'd love if you downloaded it and tested it on your FreeDOS machines (or DR DOS, REAL/32 etc etc), and let us know if everything works okay. You can download OpenGEM Deutsch Release 4 RC1 from http://gem.shaneland.co.uk Thank you to Thorsten Franke for making this possible. Secondly, OpenGEM is nearly ready to go multi-tasking. This is big news. OpenGEM is a stable GUI with applications, bindings for many languages, and a SDK. It's popular, and growing its userbase all the time. Once we're multi-tasking (IMHO) we'll be a pretty killer app for FreeDOS. Windows 3.1 eat your heart out :P OpenGEM/XM will be based on the FreeGEM/XM beta 4 code, which is almost stable and is itself based on the DR GEM/XM code. It has functioned on several machines already. However, it needs debugging and some additional programming. Therefore, consider this a call for programmers! If you can use C please contact me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and help me get this system out there. I'd love to see FreeDOS get a stable, mature multi-tasking GUI as soon as possible. Meanwhile, if you are interested in developing for OpenGEM, don't forget that there is a SDK at http://gem.shaneland.co.uk New GEM applications are always welcome, and if you use the GDScript language to make GEM front-ends to DOS applications as well. That could be an interesting idea. Imagine if users had the option to call FreeDOS applications from inside GEM? Now, before we all get too excited (or bored), I'd like to ask something. I want to know what you guys would like to see OpenGEM become for its future with FreeDOS. What functions and abilities do you want to see, what do you want to avoid, and what do you think would be cool? For some of my own ideas, you can see a small interview with me talking about OpenGEM in general here: http://gem.shaneland.co.uk/interview1.html There is an interview with me talking about the OpenGEM Release 4 family here: http://gem.shaneland.co.uk/interview2.html Regards to all Shane - -- Shane M. Coughlan BA(hons) MA EMAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WEB: www.shaneland.co.uk MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] AOL: ShaneMCoughlan Yahoo: shane_c ICQ: 32280303 - -- I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by. - Douglas Adams - -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (MingW32) iD8DBQFC9LfdROnltWY8uXARArRKAKDLc5gUci9MZ7/a2Muzptq2hgOd+ACg5alb KAMyp3lOHEbh0sWx/jD6Zmw= =Bd9Y -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] OpenGEM Release 4 Update 3 now online
The OpenGEM Release 4 family of software has now been updated. The best little FreeDOS GUI is getting more stable :P OpenGEM Core, Complete, Experimental and Deutsch have been updated to include a metafile driver that was previously missing from OpenGEM Release 4. The lack of this driver caused some applications to fail to start. OpenGEM Release 4 Update 3 patches are now online (if you are an OpenGEM Deutsch user the patch is called Beta 2). You can download the updates or the latest full version of the OpenGEM software from http://gem.shaneland.co.uk Best regards Shane [EMAIL PROTECTED] gem.shaneland.co.uk --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] A German version of OpenGEM has been released for FreeDOS
- Shane Land announces a German version of OpenGEM (31/7/05) There is a new German language version of OpenGEM being developed from OpenGEM Core Release 4. It is still in Beta. While the GUI and internal applications are in German, the documentation and the batch files remain in English. With your help with testing and translation, it should not be long before OpenGEM expands into a second language! You can download Beta 1 right now by visiting the Shane Land OpenGEM webpage at http://gem.shaneland.co.uk Best regards Shane [EMAIL PROTECTED] gem.shaneland.co.uk PS: So far the OpenGEM Release 4 family seems to run without problems on FreeDOS Beta 9. I've had no reports of any issues between OpenGEM and the FreeDOS base programs. --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] OpenGEM Core, Complete and Experimental have been updated
OpenGEM Core, Complete and Experimental have been updated. Release 4 Update 2 of these software packages is now online at http://gem.shaneland.co.uk/downloads.html. If you are an existing user of Release 4 Update 1 you can download an update package from http://gem.shaneland.co.uk/updates.html This update includes the new OpenGEM FAQ and OpenGEM User Guide. The OpenGEM Complete Release 4 Update 2 is an important update, as it adds missing driver files to the package. These updates are part of Shane Land's continuing commitment to supporting the FreeDOS community with a great GUI. If you have any comments, suggestions or bug reports, please contact us at [EMAIL PROTECTED] We are particuarly interested in hearing about any stability issues with FreeDOS Beta 9, or about any conflicts that OpenGEM may cause. Regards Shane [EMAIL PROTECTED] gem.shaneland.co.uk --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] OpenGEM Release 4 IMPORTANT UPDATE!
Shane Land is rather embarressed to announce updates to OpenGEM Release 4 just one day after the official launch! OpenGEM, the GUI intended to provide support for the FreeDOS 1.0 release, has some problems! OpenGEM Release 4 Complete, Core and Experimental had some issues that were discovered by Daniel Quintiliani of the GNU/DOS project over at http://danq.lunarpages.com/gnudos/ 1) The REPAIR function used to restore essential system files was faulty. 2) The Exit to DOS function of the GEM launching file was faulty on some versions of DOS. In addition, we discovered that the UPDATE and INSTALL functions of OpenGEM were not working correctly on OpenGEM Release 4 Complete, Core and Experimental. These issues have all been corrected, and an updated version of OpenGEM Release 4 Complete, Core or Experimental can be downloaded from http://gem.shaneland.co.uk. If you have already installed OpenGEM Release 4, you can get an update patch for OpenGEM Complete, Core or Experimental by visiting http://gem.shaneland.co.uk. To install the update, simply extract the zipfile to C:\ and recreate subfolders while overwriting files. You can look at this two ways...one way is to think that even after all these months of development Shane Land still releases buggy software...the other way is that we took 24 hours to fix the problem after we were told about it. Regards Shane [EMAIL PROTECTED] gem.shaneland.co.uk --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Shane Land GEMini Release 3 now online!
This message is a reply to Arkady, who had a big look at OpenGEM for me. I'm getting ready for OpenGEM Release 4 at the moment, and preparing OpenGEM Release 4RC1. As most of you know, OpenGEM is intended to provide a complete 16bit singletasking GUI for the FreeDOS community. You can find out more about it at http://gem.shaneland.co.uk 1. opengem3.zip: if pack ogem3.zip (inside distributive) with zero compression, then its size become 9235k (instead 4550k), but resulting distributive become 4395k (insted 4533k - gain -3%). But after packing all tree into .RAR, result become 3279k (gain -28%). Okay, so perhaps I should move to RAR compression? It's something I would like other opinions on. Do most people have RAR compression tools, or would such a transfer potentially confuse users? 2. opengem3.zip distributive contains a lot of directories (9) and some files, and all of them unpacked into root directory. All of them should be installed _inside_ _one_, sensible directory (like GEM3) or, better, into asked directory. Simplest way, how to do this (insde install.bat) without external dialog utilities: @echo off if %1== goto ask-if-install rem %1 is a user specified path rem check if it exists and try to create it if not if not exist %1 md %1 if not exist %1 echo Error creating target path... if not exist %1 goto end ...continue... goto end :ASK-IF-INSTALL echo ... choice /c:1234 if errorlevel ... ... if errorlevel 2 %0 d:\gem3 if errorlevel 1 %0 c:\gem3 ...^C pressed... Some batches, which depends on path of GEM, may be created on the fly by install.bat. There is a problem with GEM, in that often paths are hard-coded into applications. 3. install.bat: allowed to install only C: and D:. In fact, in the new OpenGEM Release 4 people will only be able to install to C: I was getting messages of errors when people tried to install to another drive. There is no way that I can fix that myself at the moment, as it appears to be inside the GEM code itself (GEM.EXE perhaps?). 4. install.bat: before asking about installed Windows, should be _also_ checked %win% variable. But in any case install.bat assumes, that Start menu resides in the C:\Windows\Startm~1\Programs, and this is far from reliable suggestion. This is another feature I am removing from OpenGEM. In Release 4, my focus is entirely on FreeDOS, and Windows support is being dropped. This is especially true because WindowsXP et al are causing all sorts of problems using OpenGEM. The shell is just not really compatible with real mode dos I guess. 5. all batch files currently contains absolute path (like setup.bat): CD\GEMAPPS\GEMSYS\CHOICE choice /c:12345 if errorlevel 5 goto 5 [...] if errorlevel 1 goto 1 CLS :1 ECHO OFF REM Change the video driver CD\GEMAPPS\GEMSYS\SETUP VIDEO GOTO CHOOSE CLS First, I don't understand why to use multiple echo off, also as unreachabled goto and cls after _jump_ to video.bat. Ie., you may remove those lines. Second, you not process ^C after CHOICE (which return zero errorlevel). Third, jumps should be relative (this allows to install GEM into any subdirectory): CD ..\CHOICE choice /c:12345 [...] if errorlevel 1 goto 1 ...process ^C... :1 REM Change the video driver CD ..\SETUP VIDEO The multiple ECHO OFF is because on some versions of DOS I noticed something weird. It appeared to start ECHOing inside large batch files even though ECHO OFF had been stated at the beginning of the file. I'm not sure what you mean by you not process ^C after CHOICE. Erm...Please expand on that for me. I'm not a great programmer at all (even batch files are largely a mystery to me). Relative jumps will not be necessary because OpenGEM Release 4 can only go into one place. And even shorter: apps\sys\choice\choice.exe /c:12345 if errorlevel 5 goto exit if errorlevel 4 goto help if errorlevel 3 apps\sys\setup\printer.bat if errorlevel 2 apps\sys\setup\sound.bat if errorlevel 1 apps\sys\setup\video.bat goto exit Now, this is interesting. I didn't know that we could do this (I told you I was a bad programmer). I guess that the OpenGEM batch files can be made a lot smaller and easier to read by using this. Will this work on all versions of DOS past 3.3? 6. whcarts\: there is .bak file; some timestamps (agenda.wch, chill.wch) are broken. I will remove the BAK file in any future release of OpenGEM, and fix these timestamps. 7. gemapps\gemsys\chooice\doc\copying duplicates gemapps\helpzone\license.txt, and choice.exe itself is hidden too deeply. CHOICE is moved into GEMAPPS\GEMSYS for the new releases of OpenGEM.
Re: [Freedos-user] Shane Land GEMini Release 3 now online!
I download and make short tryings for OGEM3. If you interested, I express my impressions (wishes and bug reports). Hi Arkady I would really value both your opinions and any bug reports you could make. I'm trying to position OpenGEM as the best 16bit GPL GUI choice for FreeDOS users, and the main things now is to get feedback. Regards Shane [EMAIL PROTECTED] gem.shaneland.co.uk PS: I'll be releasing OpenGEM Release 4RC1 soon, and this will show a lot of the changes. I'll try to include anything you find with OpenGEM Release 3. Thanks a lot! --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. How far can you shotput a projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the office luge track? If you want to score the big prize, get to know the little guy. Play to win an NEC 61 plasma display: http://www.necitguy.com/?r=20 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] OpenGEM SDK Release 1 now out!
Dear everyone I am proud to announce the official release of the OpenGEM SDK. OpenGEM SDK Release 1 is now available for immediate download from http://gem.shaneland.co.uk. OpenGEM SDK is a collection of tools, source code and binary for the creation of OpenGEM/GEM/FreeGEM applications. It includes: - GEM bindings for Pacific C, DGJPP and Turbo Pascal - Pacific C compiler - DR GEM 3.13 complete binaries source code - FreeGEM AES binaries and source code - FreeGEM desktops binaries and source code - Multiple GEM binaries of core units (DR GEM 1.2, 2.0, 3.0 etc) - GEM binaries for all applications released under GPL - Many source code sections for GEM applications - All the GEM driver binaries and source code - Many tools for making and altering GEM code and settings - Documentation to help you get started In short, OpenGEM SDK Release 1 is the one-stop-shop to get started with creating applications for GEM, or for altering the GEM GUI enviroment. It's the most complete collection of tools, code and applications yet released for the platform. Regards Shane [EMAIL PROTECTED] gem.shaneland.co.uk --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by Yahoo. Introducing Yahoo! Search Developer Network - Create apps using Yahoo! Search APIs Find out how you can build Yahoo! directly into your own Applications - visit http://developer.yahoo.net/?fr=offad-ysdn-ostg-q22005 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Shane Land GEMini 3 further details
This email is about the GEMini GUI file manager that I created and maintain for FreeDOS. I have been getting some questions about the code and license underlying the GEMini GUI file manager, most especially because the next release of the file manager will use a lot of Digital Research GEM code instead of code generated by the FreeGEM community. Will this change the license that GEMini is released under? In short, no. GEMini will be GPL. FreeGEM is based on the GPL DR GEM code. By going back to DR GEM code the license will stay the same. The applications files included with GEMini Release 3 are as follows: WRITE.* - parts of the write application, used to view files. Released by Caldera as GPL, but the source code was lost in a flooding at DR fifteen years ago. GEM.EXE the main GEM GUI file. Source code available. GEMVDI.EXE the GEM video file. Source code available. DESKHI an icon set. GEM SDK can edit and alter this. SDPSC9 video driver. GPL, but the source code for this may also be missing. DESKTOP.* this is the FreeGEM desktop 3.2. Source code available. DESK1.ACC an accessory set (GEM calculator and clock). Source code available. Everything apart from DESKTOP.* is now sourced from DR GEM 3.13 or DR GEM 1.6 code. CHOICE is the FreeDOS choice. CTMOUSE the same. SHUTDOWN is a GPL application. You can download GEMini Release 3RC3 at http://gem.shaneland.co.uk/downloads/GEMINI3RC3.zip GEMini Release 3 (final version) should be out in around a week. I will also have the sources to download from my site at that time. Regards Shane [EMAIL PROTECTED] gem.shaneland.co.uk --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by Yahoo. Introducing Yahoo! Search Developer Network - Create apps using Yahoo! Search APIs Find out how you can build Yahoo! directly into your own Applications - visit http://developer.yahoo.net/?fr=offad-ysdn-ostg-q22005 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] GEMini Release 3 Release Candidate 3 now online
- GEMini Release 3 Release Candidate 3 now online (27/5/05) Shane Land is proud to announce the public release of the next generation of GEMini (the tiny GUI file manager for FreeDOS). GEMini Release 3 Release Candidate 3 can be downloaded from http://gem.shaneland.co.uk/downloads/GEMINI3RC3.zip. This software is a step away from the FreeGEM model, and is based largely on the code from DR GEM 3.13. This vastly increases speed and stability. Please help us test this software. Regards Shane gem.shaneland.co.uk --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by Yahoo. Introducing Yahoo! Search Developer Network - Create apps using Yahoo! Search APIs Find out how you can build Yahoo! directly into your own Applications - visit http://developer.yahoo.net/?fr=offad-ysdn-ostg-q22005 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Re: Look for a Dos File manager
In addition to the OpenGEM GUI, there is a GEM based file-manager called GEMini. It takes up only 400kb, but has features like drag and drop. http://gem.shaneland.co.uk to download. It's under the GPL. Regards Shane --- This SF.net email is sponsored by Demarc: A global provider of Threat Management Solutions. Download our HomeAdmin security software for free today! http://www.demarc.com/Info/Sentarus/hamr30 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] OpenGEM Release 4 confirmed, GEMini Release 3 announed
Dear everyone This is an email regarding the OpenGEM distribution of FreeGEM, which is a free GPL GUI intended for use on FreeDOS (and other DOS systems). I am proud to confirm that OpenGEM Release 4 will be released on the 31st of January 2005. OpenGEM Release 4 will build on the highly successful third generation of the software, and expand the documentation to make it easier to install and use the system. OpenGEM Release 4 is intended to provide FreeDOS and other DOS users with the best combination of simplicity and power available under the GPL license. GEMini Release 3, a gui file manager for FreeDOS with drag and drop features, will be released on the 28th of February 2005. GEMini is intended to provide FreeDOS users with an simple tiny file manager (400kb when installed) that has the power to quickly move, copy or delete files. Both OpenGEM and GEMini are built on DR GEM, a stable and well tested 16bit GUI enviroment. This is not experimental software, unfinished software, or buggy software. It is now extensively used and tested on a wide range of DOS machines. OpenGEM is designed to be the definitive GUI for FreeDOS 1.0, and GEMini is designed to satisfy the need for a powerful file manager for FreeDOS 1.0. There will be update patches to update OpenGEM Release 3 to OpenGEM Release 4, and GEMini Release 2 to GEMini Release 3. The update patches will be released on the same day as the new software. You can download this software at http://gem.shaneland.co.uk Earlier in the month we had some problems with links on the website, but these issues are now corrected. You can download the source files for the GEM technology at www.deltasoft.com and www.seasip.info. Best wishes Shane Coughlan --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IntelliVIEW -- Interactive Reporting Tool for open source databases. Create drag--drop reports. Save time by over 75%! Publish reports on the web. Export to DOC, XLS, RTF, etc. Download a FREE copy at http://www.intelliview.com/go/osdn_nl ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Bootable FreeDOS
I have an ODIN 0.7A disk image dated April 29, 2004. Dear Steve Hello! Actually, I was referring not to ODIN (which is listed to 0.6 online...last release February of this year...when's the nice new 0.7 coming out? :) ), I was referring to a one-disk distro of FreeDOS created by Kristaps Kaupe last year entitled Bootable FreeDOS (version 1.00). I noticed he seems to have vanished and both his website and email address don't work anymore. I was curious if his project was still active. By the way, has anyone compared the features of Bootable FreeDOS and ODIN? Best Shane http://gem.shaneland.co.uk --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by OSTG. Have you noticed the changes on Linux.com, ITManagersJournal and NewsForge in the past few weeks? Now, one more big change to announce. We are now OSTG- Open Source Technology Group. Come see the changes on the new OSTG site. www.ostg.com ___ Freedos-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
