Re: FAX from a Mac under OS X 10.5.7?
Where can one find an Apple USB to Phone connector? An internet search didn't produce anything. I (forgive me Nanny) have a new Mac Mini that I'd love to be able to fax from through my modem. Thanks, George On Sep 9, 2009, at 9/9/09 - 11:22 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Sep 9, 2009, at 9:15 AM, Bill Connelly wrote: My insurance company hasn't discovered https I guess, so they require info FAXed to them. After creating some kind of pre-paper-like document on my Mac, can I FAX it over the internet using some hidden capability of OS X? or maybe NeoOffice? some other app for OS X on a G4? If you have a modem on your Mac connected to a phone line, you can send a fax as easy as printing, since 10.3 or so it's been in the same section of the Print dialog as print to a PDF has been. In 10.5 it's called PDF to Fax, under the PDF button. This is about all that Apple's USB to Phone connector is good for these days. (OT:Oh HO! something is up! The Apple Store says 'Busy updating! Be Back Later!', so I can't give you the url. I forgot the special 'It's only rock-n-roll, but we like it!' invite that went out for today...new iPods?? ) Otherwise there are commercial email-to-fax gateways, such as efax.com -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~--- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: FAX from a Mac under OS X 10.5.7?
On Dec 1, 2009, at 3:12 PM, George R. Hozendorf wrote: Where can one find an Apple USB to Phone connector? An internet search didn't produce anything. I (forgive me Nanny) have a new Mac Mini that I'd love to be able to fax from through my modem. US Robotics sells one: http://tinyurl.com/yd34kb8 Apparently Apple no longer sells theirs... -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: FAX from a Mac under OS X 10.5.7?
Thanks, Bruce. Man, they think a lot of them. George On Dec 1, 2009, at 12/1/09 - 4:19 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Dec 1, 2009, at 3:12 PM, George R. Hozendorf wrote: Where can one find an Apple USB to Phone connector? An internet search didn't produce anything. I (forgive me Nanny) have a new Mac Mini that I'd love to be able to fax from through my modem. US Robotics sells one: http://tinyurl.com/yd34kb8 Apparently Apple no longer sells theirs... -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: FAX from a Mac under OS X 10.5.7?
On Dec 1, 2009, at 5:12 PM, George R. Hozendorf wrote: Where can one find an Apple USB to Phone connector? An internet search didn't produce anything. I (forgive me Nanny) have a new Mac Mini that I'd love to be able to fax from through my modem. Thanks, George Do you have a USB Modem? That is what you need to fax with. There is not a usb to phone adapter cable. Durn, Bruce was quick. My suggestion is a WTB on the swap list for a USB modem, should be pretty cheap. Len -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: FAX from a Mac under OS X 10.5.7?
Bill Connelly wrote: My insurance company hasn't discovered https I guess, so they require info FAXed to them. After creating some kind of pre-paper-like document on my Mac, can I FAX it over the internet using some hidden capability of OS X? or maybe NeoOffice? some other app for OS X on a G4? Maybe my VueScan links me to such an ability? This is on a Digital Audio G4 Dual 533, FWIW. Do u have an AIO printer? At least the HP ones I have have the option on the control panel and in the software. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: FAX from a Mac under OS X 10.5.7?
On Sep 10, 2009, at 3:35 AM, Charles Lenington wrote: Bill Connelly wrote: My insurance company hasn't discovered https I guess, so they require info FAXed to them. After creating some kind of pre-paper-like document on my Mac, can I FAX it over the internet using some hidden capability of OS X? or maybe NeoOffice? some other app for OS X on a G4? Maybe my VueScan links me to such an ability? This is on a Digital Audio G4 Dual 533, FWIW. Do u have an AIO printer? At least the HP ones I have have the option on the control panel and in the software. My partner of 12 years, Brent, has one. An HP with Printer, Scanner and Fax capabilities. He moved out and got his own place, last November, and took it with him. It has the Scan and Fax It capability. Did a great job of printing my artwork business cards as well ... nice clear thumbnail representations of my paintings alongside my name and phone number. Thanks, but the problem was solved awhile ago, using the OSX 10.3/10.4/10.5 capabilities coupled with an internal modem. Have a nice, secure day. Sincerely, Bill Connelly aka billycarmacs artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: FAX from a Mac under OS X 10.5.7?
At 12:37 AM -0400 9/10/09, Bill Connelly wrote: I think the difference between the Fax PDF and an e-mailed PDF is that it doesn't sit on someone's Server, where someone could possibly get a copy of it (is that even possible???). It goes directly to hard copy via their fax printer. Make sense? Yes, where ANYONE could be standing. Hell, it may not even be at the company you thought you were sending to. Of course, it if they were looking for a Signature on an Original, I could fake that by scanning in my signature and pasting it into the document ... then locking it in ... and Fax PDFing that to them ... I have a jpg of my sig so I can do just that. Diane --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: FAX from a Mac under OS X 10.5.7?
From: Bill Connelly billycarm...@verizon.net Subject: Re: FAX from a Mac under OS X 10.5.7? To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 6:42 PM On Sep 9, 2009, at 1:19 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Sep 9, 2009, at 9:57 AM, Bill Connelly wrote: Guess I need to temporarily bypass the DSL connection, hook up the modem, and FAX away using OS Xs pdf to fax capability before/after creating a pdf ... thanks. No you shouldn't need to bypass the DSL connection to do this...the modem is acting as a regular phone in this instance, not a network adapter. Worked like a charm from my Yikes! OCd 450MHz under Tiger 10.4.11. TextEdit Print Fax PDF after creating an Address Book entry. I may be a little slow here, but are you connecting the phone line that provides DSL without a filter to the builtin modem or not OR is this some special way the DSL line (the only one I have connected to the computer) is now sending DTMF - confused in need of help. JML --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: FAX from a Mac under OS X 10.5.7?
On Sep 10, 2009, at 1:03 PM, Jonas Lopez wrote: I may be a little slow here, but are you connecting the phone line that provides DSL without a filter to the builtin modem or not OR is this some special way the DSL line (the only one I have connected to the computer) is now sending DTMF - confused in need of help. Connecting a regular phone line to the built-in modemin this mode the modem is acting as a fax machine, not a network interface, and is entirely separate from the ethernet cable connecting the computer to the DSL 'modem'. I hate that the cable and phone companies promulgated the misnomer 'modem' to refer to what is actually a router, it makes thing like this confusing as heck. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: FAX from a Mac under OS X 10.5.7?
At 13:03 -0700 9/10/09, Jonas Lopez wrote: From: Bill Connelly billycarm...@verizon.net Subject: Re: FAX from a Mac under OS X 10.5.7? To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 6:42 PM On Sep 9, 2009, at 1:19 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Sep 9, 2009, at 9:57 AM, Bill Connelly wrote: Guess I need to temporarily bypass the DSL connection, hook up the modem, and FAX away using OS Xs pdf to fax capability before/after creating a pdf ... thanks. No you shouldn't need to bypass the DSL connection to do this...the modem is acting as a regular phone in this instance, not a network adapter. Worked like a charm from my Yikes! OCd 450MHz under Tiger 10.4.11. TextEdit Print Fax PDF after creating an Address Book entry. I may be a little slow here, but are you connecting the phone line that provides DSL without a filter to the builtin modem or not OR is this some special way the DSL line (the only one I have connected to the computer) is now sending DTMF - confused in need of help. JML FAX using a modem, my G4 has one built in, goes out in the form of quadrature modulated (QAM) 1400 Hz carrier on a normal telephone line. Dual tone multifrequency (DTMF) is used for dialing the number but not for data transmission. Both the QAM and the DTMF are well within the voice band (300 to 3000 Hz) of plain old telephone (POTS) service and must go through a filter if the same telephone line is used for digital subscriber service (DSL). If the filter is not used the wide band radio frequencies used for DSL can and will interfere with the voice band transmission either FAX or audio. When I get involved with DSL on a neighbor's or child's home I run a separate pair to the DSL modem from the telephone entry point. I then install a filter that isolates all other connections to the house. That way one doesn't have to worry about all of those filters provided by the phone company. When Qwest recently installed DSL here the installer actually did that for me with a filter designed for the purpose. But I sure had to ask. -- -- So are we going to celebrate the start of a new decade at the end of this year? Or do the tens start at in January 2011? -- --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: FAX from a Mac under OS X 10.5.7?
At 13:14 -0700 9/10/09, Bruce Johnson wrote: I hate that the cable and phone companies promulgated the misnomer 'modem' to refer to what is actually a router, it makes thing like this confusing as heck. MODEM stands for modulator / demodulator. The DSL modem demodulates asynchronous transfer mode (ATM) which is an older but still widely used technique for connecting long distance telephone lines. The router function is often, but not always, included in the package. It also accepts local data and modulates an RF carrier for uplinked data at frequencies above the voice band. There are also optical modems that drive data onto and off of fibers. 10base2 Ethernet is manchester modulated bits on a 20 MHz carrier. One could call an Ethernet card a MODEM too. Any confusion results from theft of the acronym by computer users who saw modems only while connecting computers to telephones. -- -- Marriage and kilo are troubled words. Turmoil results when centuries-old usage is altered in specialized jargon --. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: FAX from a Mac under OS X 10.5.7?
Bruce Johnson wrote: On Sep 10, 2009, at 1:03 PM, Jonas Lopez wrote: I may be a little slow here, but are you connecting the phone line that provides DSL without a filter to the builtin modem or not OR is this some special way the DSL line (the only one I have connected to the computer) is now sending DTMF - confused in need of help. DTMF refers to the dialing method used in touch tone systems. It has nothing to do with faxing except for sending the desired phone number to the central office. Provided you have voice service on your DSL line you can connect your computer's modem (not DSL) to the same line as the DSL modem PROVIDED you use one of the phone line filters that the DSL provider supplies. If you don't use the filter your computer's modem (or a phone) will foul the DSL signal. Connecting a regular phone line to the built-in modemin this mode the modem is acting as a fax machine, not a network interface, and is entirely separate from the ethernet cable connecting the computer to the DSL 'modem'. I hate that the cable and phone companies promulgated the misnomer 'modem' to refer to what is actually a router, it makes thing like this confusing as heck. It's not a router. Many DSL modems incorporate a router but it's a separate function inside the box. I couldn't quickly find a better term for it than modem. But I'm pretty sure since it is Digital Subscriber Line that it's not really a modem (Modulator / Demodulator). It's more like a Terminal Adapter as in ISDN lines. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: FAX from a Mac under OS X 10.5.7?
Doug McNutt wrote: FAX using a modem, my G4 has one built in, goes out in the form of quadrature modulated (QAM) 1400 Hz carrier on a normal telephone line. Dual tone multifrequency (DTMF) is used for dialing the number but not for data transmission. Both the QAM and the DTMF are well within the voice band (300 to 3000 Hz) of plain old telephone (POTS) service and must go through a filter if the same telephone line is used for digital subscriber service (DSL). If the filter is not used the wide band radio frequencies used for DSL can and will interfere with the voice band transmission either FAX or audio. While the DSL signal can interfere with voice, particularly the Automatic Gain Control (AGC) in some phones, it's mostly there to keep voice band (including conventional modems) equipment from killing the DSL signal. Some stuff looks like a dead short at the high frequencies used by DSL. When I get involved with DSL on a neighbor's or child's home I run a separate pair to the DSL modem from the telephone entry point. I then install a filter that isolates all other connections to the house. That way one doesn't have to worry about all of those filters provided by the phone company. When Qwest recently installed DSL here the installer actually did that for me with a filter designed for the purpose. But I sure had to ask. I did the same thing myself. Nice that my house came wired with six phone lines running around the house. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
FAX from a Mac under OS X 10.5.7?
My insurance company hasn't discovered https I guess, so they require info FAXed to them. After creating some kind of pre-paper-like document on my Mac, can I FAX it over the internet using some hidden capability of OS X? or maybe NeoOffice? some other app for OS X on a G4? Maybe my VueScan links me to such an ability? This is on a Digital Audio G4 Dual 533, FWIW. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: FAX from a Mac under OS X 10.5.7?
On Sep 9, 2009, at 9:15 AM, Bill Connelly wrote: My insurance company hasn't discovered https I guess, so they require info FAXed to them. After creating some kind of pre-paper-like document on my Mac, can I FAX it over the internet using some hidden capability of OS X? or maybe NeoOffice? some other app for OS X on a G4? If you have a modem on your Mac connected to a phone line, you can send a fax as easy as printing, since 10.3 or so it's been in the same section of the Print dialog as print to a PDF has been. In 10.5 it's called PDF to Fax, under the PDF button. This is about all that Apple's USB to Phone connector is good for these days. (OT:Oh HO! something is up! The Apple Store says 'Busy updating! Be Back Later!', so I can't give you the url. I forgot the special 'It's only rock-n-roll, but we like it!' invite that went out for today...new iPods?? ) Otherwise there are commercial email-to-fax gateways, such as efax.com -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: FAX from a Mac under OS X 10.5.7?
On Sep 9, 2009, at 12:22 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Sep 9, 2009, at 9:15 AM, Bill Connelly wrote: My insurance company hasn't discovered https I guess, so they require info FAXed to them. After creating some kind of pre-paper-like document on my Mac, can I FAX it over the internet using some hidden capability of OS X? or maybe NeoOffice? some other app for OS X on a G4? If you have a modem on your Mac connected to a phone line, you can send a fax as easy as printing, since 10.3 or so it's been in the same section of the Print dialog as print to a PDF has been. In 10.5 it's called PDF to Fax, under the PDF button. This is about all that Apple's USB to Phone connector is good for these days. (OT:Oh HO! something is up! The Apple Store says 'Busy updating! Be Back Later!', so I can't give you the url. I forgot the special 'It's only rock-n-roll, but we like it!' invite that went out for today...new iPods?? ) Otherwise there are commercial email-to-fax gateways, such as efax.com Thanks. My DA had its modem removed when the eBay Seller upgraded it to a Dual 533, but my Yikes! (10.4.11) and QS 2002 Dual 1GHz (10.5.7) both have their modems. Guess I need to temporarily bypass the DSL connection, hook up the modem, and FAX away using OS Xs pdf to fax capability before/after creating a pdf ... thanks. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: FAX from a Mac under OS X 10.5.7?
There are a couple listed in this article: http://www.pcworld.com/article/171435/19_free_web_services_that_keep_saving_you_money.html?tk=nl_dnx_t_crawl I dropped my land line so I need to take note of this as well. Previously I would fax from the computer. I have only tried efax as an incoming service. Diane --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: FAX from a Mac under OS X 10.5.7?
On Sep 9, 2009, at 9:57 AM, Bill Connelly wrote: Guess I need to temporarily bypass the DSL connection, hook up the modem, and FAX away using OS Xs pdf to fax capability before/after creating a pdf ... thanks. No you shouldn't need to bypass the DSL connection to do this...the modem is acting as a regular phone in this instance, not a network adapter. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: FAX from a Mac under OS X 10.5.7?
On Sep 9, 2009, at 1:19 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Sep 9, 2009, at 9:57 AM, Bill Connelly wrote: Guess I need to temporarily bypass the DSL connection, hook up the modem, and FAX away using OS Xs pdf to fax capability before/after creating a pdf ... thanks. No you shouldn't need to bypass the DSL connection to do this...the modem is acting as a regular phone in this instance, not a network adapter. Thanks All. Worked like a charm from my Yikes! OCd 450MHz under Tiger 10.4.11. TextEdit Print Fax PDF after creating an Address Book entry. Take That The Hartford in Lexington, KY! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: FAX from a Mac under OS X 10.5.7?
At 9:42 PM -0400 9/9/09, Bill Connelly wrote: Thanks All. Worked like a charm from my Yikes! OCd 450MHz under Tiger 10.4.11. TextEdit Print Fax PDF after creating an Address Book entry. Take That The Hartford in Lexington, KY! I love how they tell you they have to take a fax as it's more secure and non-editable. And then you explain to them (since you don't have a stand alone fax machine), that you will be SCANNING the document into your computer (hence editable) so it can be faxed from said computer. And they sigh, and say I know, but Glad it worked! Diane --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: FAX from a Mac under OS X 10.5.7?
On Sep 9, 2009, at 9:47 PM, diane wrote: At 9:42 PM -0400 9/9/09, Bill Connelly wrote: Thanks All. Worked like a charm from my Yikes! OCd 450MHz under Tiger 10.4.11. TextEdit Print Fax PDF after creating an Address Book entry. Take That The Hartford in Lexington, KY! I love how they tell you they have to take a fax as it's more secure and non-editable. And then you explain to them (since you don't have a stand alone fax machine), that you will be SCANNING the document into your computer (hence editable) so it can be faxed from said computer. And they sigh, and say I know, but Glad it worked! Well ... I created it on the Mac, using TextEdit and went directly to the Fax PDF ... I hope they weren't looking for my signature. I think the difference between the Fax PDF and an e-mailed PDF is that it doesn't sit on someone's Server, where someone could possibly get a copy of it (is that even possible???). It goes directly to hard copy via their fax printer. Make sense? Of course, it if they were looking for a Signature on an Original, I could fake that by scanning in my signature and pasting it into the document ... then locking it in ... and Fax PDFing that to them ... --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Should I upgrade to 10.5.8 on a G4 933 Quicksilver that already has 10.5.7 on it?
10.5.8 worked ok. I don't use Blue Ray or airport though. - Original Message - From: Al Poulin alfred.pou...@gmail.com To: G3-5 List g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 9:45 AM Subject: Re: Should I upgrade to 10.5.8 on a G4 933 Quicksilver that already has 10.5.7 on it? On Aug 7, 11:10 pm, ll mlitwin3...@att.net wrote: Will there be a problem? I just had this computer upgraded from 733 to 933 and added ram to total 1.3.I don't have 10.5 dvds to reinstall if there is a major problem. Yes, you should -- some time later. There is always a risk in making an OS version update. So it is always best to have the Leopard DVD on hand. Also, there have been a few problems reported by people making this update, but if your machine is pretty much plain vanilla with standard applications and no third-party geeky enhancements to the OS, things should go well. Check with the 933 hardware vendor for any problems with the OS update. Al Poulin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Mail directory broken? PBG4 10.5.7
On 8/6/09 12:18 PM, Dan wrote: Many people like Thunderbird And I'm one of those people who even think T-bird beta is better than mail.app. Try it! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Should I upgrade to 10.5.8 on a G4 933 Quicksilver that already has 10.5.7 on it?
At 7:45 AM -0700 8/8/2009, Al Poulin wrote: On Aug 7, 11:10 pm, ll mlitwin3...@att.net wrote: Will there be a problem? I just had this computer upgraded from 733 to 933 and added ram to total 1.3.I don't have 10.5 dvds to reinstall if there is a major problem. Yes, you should -- some time later. There is always a risk in making an OS version update. So it is always best to have the Leopard DVD on hand. If you have a current clone of your boot volume, on another drive (internal or external) then there's no need for the DVDs. Still a good idea to have 'em tho. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Mail directory broken? PBG4 10.5.7
On Aug 6, 2009, at 1:51 AM, Kyle Hansen wrote: Mail is a flawed application. I see it start crashing when the mailbox gets to be a gig or so. I highly recommend to my tech clients not to use it and get a real mail app. Not the freebie. You get what you pay for...cept for Firefox. Kyle Hansen -- What real mail app would you recommend? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Mail directory broken? PBG4 10.5.7
At 11:50 AM -0400 8/6/2009, Stanton Mitrany wrote: On Aug 6, 2009, at 1:51 AM, Kyle Hansen wrote: Mail is a flawed application. But getting better as time goes by. What real mail app would you recommend? If you keep your mailboxes reasonable, Mail should work fine. Many people like Thunderbird or Eudora. If you search on a site such as MacUpdate, you'll fine a dozen or so clients. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Mail directory broken? PBG4 10.5.7
2009/8/4 Dan dantear...@gmail.com: At 10:14 PM -0400 8/3/2009, Stanton Mitrany wrote: the Dock's Mail icon bouncing attracted my attention. I clicked on it and was informed that (or something like this) directory is broken. To fix it, you need to quit Mail. Hate it when that happens. I obeyed, and then re-launched Mail. I was confronted with what appeared to be an Apple set-up application, which asked me to begin what looked to be a multi-step process to locate, if I remember correctly, something like my Mail database. Quit Mail. Launch Disk Utility, and run a Verify Disk pass on your HD - makes sure everything is ok from the file system's point of view. If it finds any errors, repair them. Backup ~/Library/Mail -- just in case. Move ~/Library/Mail/Envelope Index to your desktop. Launch Mail and let it re-index things. That Envelope Index is a sqlite database that gets corrupted easily. All good points, but I would also suggest a reboot in Safe Boot mode, which will fsck the main hard disk automatically. Journalling notwithstanding, errors do accumulate. This is the easiest way to check the boot drive. It's that or boot an OS X install CD run Disk Utility from there - more work - or rely on a dual-boot machine with 2 or more copies of OS X, which few people have. Personally, I would never let any inbox grow to over a few hundred messages. Organize things - Mail supports folders with multiple mailboxes. That seems a bit much! I have hundreds of folders inside folders, but still, I archive all my email (except spam). I have a 3GB+ mailbox in T'bird with all my mail since 1996 in it. Hard to keep that to under a few hundred messages per folder! -- Liam Proven • Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • GMail/GoogleTalk/Orkut: lpro...@gmail.com Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 • Cell: +44 7939-087884 • Fax: + 44 870-9151419 AOL/AIM/iChat/Yahoo/Skype: liamproven • LiveJournal/Twitter: lproven MSN: lpro...@hotmail.com • ICQ: 73187508 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Mail directory broken? PBG4 10.5.7
On Aug 4, 3:30 pm, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: Backup ~/Library/Mail -- just in case. Move ~/Library/Mail/Envelope Index to your desktop. Launch Mail and let it re-index things. That Envelope Index is a sqlite database that gets corrupted easily. I like Dan's answer better than what I posted to your dual-post on the Leopard List. It is nice to know what that Envelope Index is for. Al Poulin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Mail directory broken? PBG4 10.5.7
At 5:08 PM +0100 8/5/2009, Liam Proven wrote: 2009/8/4 Dan dantear...@gmail.com: Personally, I would never let any inbox grow to over a few hundred messages. Organize things - Mail supports folders with multiple mailboxes. That seems a bit much! I have hundreds of folders inside folders, but still, I archive all my email (except spam). I have a 3GB+ mailbox in T'bird with all my mail since 1996 in it. Hard to keep that to under a few hundred messages per folder! I didn't say per folder. I said the INBOX in APPLE MAIL (which is the application we're discussing). Subsequent folders / mailboxes can be gigantic. It's the INBOX that's critical -- it's got multiple threads writing to it, so it's most at risk for corruption. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Mail directory broken? PBG4 10.5.7
On 8/5/09 7:17 PM, Dan dantear...@gmail.com Broadcast into the ether: I didn't say per folder. I said the INBOX in APPLE MAIL (which is the application we're discussing). Subsequent folders / mailboxes can be gigantic. It's the INBOX that's critical -- it's got multiple threads writing to it, so it's most at risk for corruption. Mail is a flawed application. I see it start crashing when the mailbox gets to be a gig or so. I highly recommend to my tech clients not to use it and get a real mail app. Not the freebie. You get what you pay for...cept for Firefox. Kyle Hansen -- I reject your reality and substitute my own -- Adam Savage (Mythbusters) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Mail directory broken? PBG4 10.5.7
On 8/3/09 8:14 PM, Stanton Mitrany wrote: Does it sound as if my mail database is irretrievable? If you do find your database, move to Thunderbird. Actually, why not give it a try to recover your database? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Mail directory broken? PBG4 10.5.7
At 10:14 PM -0400 8/3/2009, Stanton Mitrany wrote: the Dock's Mail icon bouncing attracted my attention. I clicked on it and was informed that (or something like this) directory is broken. To fix it, you need to quit Mail. Hate it when that happens. I obeyed, and then re-launched Mail. I was confronted with what appeared to be an Apple set-up application, which asked me to begin what looked to be a multi-step process to locate, if I remember correctly, something like my Mail database. Quit Mail. Launch Disk Utility, and run a Verify Disk pass on your HD - makes sure everything is ok from the file system's point of view. If it finds any errors, repair them. Backup ~/Library/Mail -- just in case. Move ~/Library/Mail/Envelope Index to your desktop. Launch Mail and let it re-index things. That Envelope Index is a sqlite database that gets corrupted easily. Fortunately, I had done a backup with Time Machine only this morning. Good. But this is scary. I've never before in 22 years as a Macintosh user encountered anything like this. Murphy was gunning for you. Could this issue be caused by a fairly large number of items in my Inbox (about 36,000?) Usually I pare it down dramatically when it gets up to about 40,000. Since having so many Inbox items hasn't caused problems in the past, I don't know whether this might be related to the issue I'm experiencing now or not. Personally, I would never let any inbox grow to over a few hundred messages. Organize things - Mail supports folders with multiple mailboxes. HTH. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Mail directory broken? PBG4 10.5.7
Opinions interspersed below; On Aug 3, 2009, at 10:14 PM, Stanton Mitrany wrote: Hi folks, While momentarily attending something on Safari, the Dock's Mail icon bouncing attracted my attention. I clicked on it and was informed that (or something like this) directory is broken. To fix it, you need to quit Mail. I obeyed, and then re-launched Mail. I was confronted with what appeared to be an Apple set-up application, which asked me to begin what looked to be a multi-step process to locate, if I remember correctly, something like my Mail database. Since this suggested to me that I was in over my head, I quit the setup box and Mail, and have made an appointment to see a Genius at an Apple Store. Fortunately, I had done a backup with Time Machine only this morning. But this is scary. I've never before in 22 years as a Macintosh user encountered anything like this. Could this issue be caused by a fairly large number of items in my Inbox (about 36,000?) Could be!!! The number ~36000 may not be the trip point. It could be related to how much space is available on the HD. Since you have 'backup' available, you might try the 'mailbox rebuild' [Can't find it now --- but I HAV seen it.] Usually I pare it down dramatically when it gets up to about 40,000. Since having so many Inbox items hasn't caused problems in the past, I don't know whether this might be related to the issue I'm experiencing now or not. I've done all the Software Updates that Apple has called for, most recently within this last week. Have you any suggestions, other than to keep my appointment at the Genius Bar? Does it sound as if my mail database is irretrievable? You should be O.K. JMHO Chuck D. Thanks, stanton Philadelphia --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Mail directory broken? PBG4 10.5.7
Hi folks, While momentarily attending something on Safari, the Dock's Mail icon bouncing attracted my attention. I clicked on it and was informed that (or something like this) directory is broken. To fix it, you need to quit Mail. I obeyed, and then re-launched Mail. I was confronted with what appeared to be an Apple set-up application, which asked me to begin what looked to be a multi-step process to locate, if I remember correctly, something like my Mail database. Since this suggested to me that I was in over my head, I quit the setup box and Mail, and have made an appointment to see a Genius at an Apple Store. Fortunately, I had done a backup with Time Machine only this morning. But this is scary. I've never before in 22 years as a Macintosh user encountered anything like this. Could this issue be caused by a fairly large number of items in my Inbox (about 36,000?) Usually I pare it down dramatically when it gets up to about 40,000. Since having so many Inbox items hasn't caused problems in the past, I don't know whether this might be related to the issue I'm experiencing now or not. I've done all the Software Updates that Apple has called for, most recently within this last week. Have you any suggestions, other than to keep my appointment at the Genius Bar? Does it sound as if my mail database is irretrievable? Thanks, stanton Philadelphia --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Leopard 10.5.7 on a Digital Audio Dual 533
I seem to have successfully CCC 3.2.1 Clone/Installed Leopard 10.5.7 on my DA Dual 533. It is an original QS 2002 Dual 1GHz installation and upgrade, cloned over my Network. My newly adopted DA has a 896MB RAM, a Geforce4 MX Mac Edition video card, and a 500GB Seagate ATA off a Sonnet Trio ATA133/FW400/USB1.1 PCI card. Performance hit as indicated by Xbench 1.3: Tiger 10.4.11 Overall 35.20 Leopard 10.5.7 Overall 29.72 or about 15.6 %. Geekbench 2.1.2 scores are essentially identical overall: (Tiger 571 and Leopard 570). Wondering what others thought about this. Under Leopard, I now have Software Core Image Support and QE, whereas under Tiger 10.4.11 looks like only QE. Comments welcomed. For starters, will I possibly wear out the 533 Dual cpu? DVD Player looks good. Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio/ myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Leopard 10.5.7 on a Digital Audio Dual 533
On Jun 14, 2009, at 11:48 AM, Bill Connelly wrote: Comments welcomed. For starters, will I possibly wear out the 533 Dual cpu? CPUs do not wear out. They do suffer from overheat, however. If you install the heat sink correctly, and the fan is in good condition, you will never in your lifetime wear out that dual 533. The QS and DA, and the earlier gigabits, are so very similar in electrical design (although there are many obvious differences) that a system generated for a QS will work on an earlier model. At one point, I think it was 10.3.something I could move the same 160 GB drive (boot and systems from 10.3 to 10.5, including Server) and 500 GB piggy-back drive (data) from a Smurf (G3) to a DA (G4) and anything in between. Of course, you can't do that with 10.4 or 10.5 on account of the G3 not being supported, but you can do that to almost every model which is at least a G4 (whether gigabit, or not). --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Rember under 10.5.7
Has anyone run Rember 0.3.4b (2007) successfully under 10.5.7? I just tried once and got a kp on trying to run using Quit all applications, Quit Finder Preferences ... Maybe I should go the applejack Memtest route? Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 10.5.7
On Jun 8, 2009, at 7:36 AM, George R. Hozendorf wrote: On Jun 7, 2009, at 7:32 PM, insightinmind wrote: 10.5.7 seems to be running ok now with my 9 Steps outlined earlier ... sort of modeled after that 12-Steps How to Debug kp's in OS X thing someone shared awhile back ... Bill, please be so kind as to publish your 9 steps again. In switching computers I deleted it. Archived messages for this list are readily available and easily searchable at: http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Fabian Fang G3-5 List Nanny --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 10.5.7
On Jun 8, 2009, at 10:36 AM, George R. Hozendorf wrote: Bill, please be so kind as to publish your 9 steps again. In switching computers I deleted it. Thanks, George Log onto the G3-G5 Google site ... It should be saved earlier in this thread, but on the G3-G5 Google site: http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list/browse_thread/thread/ dce5dc5470e66063/6365129f0cf421ab# ... let's see, it starts out as: To try and resolve my Upgrade to 10.5.7 issues, I have since done this, and am currently claiming success: ... and is my Jun 7 entry in this thread. Its basically using applejack's 5 step auto pilot clean-up, in Single User Mode, and OnyX's resetting of Spotlight Index (Spotlight part may not be necessary, but that is what I did along the way), after you're back up running. Here's applejack's link: http://applejack.sourceforge.net/ Here is an article which I found particularly helpful a while ago: 12-Step Program to Isolate Freezes and/or Kernel Panics which I think you can link to via (you may need to join the forum first): http://macsimumnews.com/macosgforums/viewtopic.php?f=40t=800 Hope this helps. Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 10.5.7
On Jun 7, 2009, at 7:31 PM, PeterH wrote: On Jun 7, 2009, at 4:18 PM, Kyle Hansen wrote: FWIW ... manually dowloading the 10.5.7 combo update directly from Apple's site worked perfectly on every Mack or Hack which I have. Whereas, automatically downloading the model-specific update, through Software Update ..., failed in EVERY case, Mack as well as Hack. That's what I am getting at. Let's say you have a couple of Macks in your shop. And, let's say you also have a couple of Hacks in your shop, and all of them are using the vanilla MacOS X kernel and the hidden partition for your EFI emulator and Boot132 for your boot loader. And, let's say you have a 1 GB thumb drive with the file MacOSXUpdCombo10.5.7.pkg as a flat file on that thumb drive, plus you also have the audio packages which are needed for each Hack (none are needed for a Mack, of course). Then, simply run MacOSXUpdCombo10.5.7.pkg against each Mack and/ or run MacOSXUpdCombo10.5.7.pkg against each Hack PLUS run the applicable audio package against each Hack, and Every Mack and Hack will be brought up to 10.5.7 and you will loose no functions PLUS you will gain all functions provided by 10.5.7. P.S. Some Netbooks use a different address for their GMA950, in which case you may have to edit the two GMA950 kexts. If you successfully got your Netbook Hack to 10.5.6, then you'll know which kexts those are. The site referenced below contains a number of audio packages which have been extensively tested, and are known to work. Guides for building Hacks can also be found there, too. http://groups.google.com/group/hq-a + A home for the Hackintosh community. To subscribe to the HQ-A group, send email to hq-a +subscr...@googlegroups.com The site referenced below.. Don't see it. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 10.5.7
Download the 10.5.7 combo updater. INSTALL. Even if you have upgraded. That will resolve all OS issues. I did it on this laptop just a few mins ago. Then go get updated drivers for your 3rd party stuff and/or reinstall. Kyle Hansen (in the livingroom) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 10.5.7
Kyle Hansen wrote: On 6/6/09 11:02 AM, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu Broadcast into the ether: On Jun 6, 2009, at 10:42 AM, Bill Connelly wrote: They recommend use of Repair Permissions to cleanup a system prior to installing their drivers, and then one after installing them. Really seems like they're admitting to faulty systems programming on their part ... not keeping up with interactive demands of OS X 10.5+ They are completely fulla crap or they're messing with stuff they shouldn't be. Repair Permissions WILL NEVER TOUCH any third party items. THE ONLY files RP EVER looks at are files listed BY APPLE in their / Library/Receipts bom files. Is it JUST Apples files or anything using THE Installer and leaving Receipts files, I would think it's the latter. He's right. Bruce hates the overuse of Permissions Repair as the magical solution (remember the cuda button days?) as much as I do. PRAM Reset and Desktop Rebuild were the two older Magic Bullets that weren't. I think what people missed with these two that they also included a restart which likely fixed 99% of the problems but people attributed the fix to PRAM Reset or Desktop Rebuild. That's why in the rare cases I DO recommend PRAM Reset or the even rarer Desktop Rebuild I mention that it is one of the rare cases when it might work. I've been amazed at the things some people have recommend these fixes for. It just shows they don't know what is happening inside. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 10.5.7
On Jun 7, 2009, at 2:03 AM, Clark Martin wrote: Is it JUST Apples files or anything using THE Installer and leaving Receipts files, I would think it's the latter. You're correct, it's the latter. For example, Flash Player always installs files with alternate permissions, and Disk UtilityRepair Permissions usually changes them. Some 3rd party installer packages don't create receipts, so they won't ever repair the permissions ownerships. Sometimes the permissions ownerships are wrong in the receipt, and in this case, if you run Repair Permissions it will fix it wrong. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 10.5.7
On Jun 7, 2009, at 2:38 AM, Kyle Hansen wrote: Download the 10.5.7 combo updater. INSTALL. Even if you have upgraded. That will resolve all OS issues. I did it on this laptop just a few mins ago. Then go get updated drivers for your 3rd party stuff and/or reinstall. That's actually what I did ... used the 10.5.7 Combo updater on my working 10.5.6 OS X. M-Audio has had the same Delta 2496 Audiophile 2.0.8 driver for some time ... their Uninstaller doesn't work in 10.5 (did work in 10.3 and 10.4), and I had to do a manual uninstall. (I recently noticed one of their files ended up in the Trash, maybe after applejack ... a prefs file I think ... and it got recreated on next Startup ... I think this might be a point of investigation ... currently under scrutiny ... maybe M-Audio's no longer creating it correctly on a first time basis? applejack throwing it out fixed things? My system kp's on a first Startup after installing 2.0.8 ... running applejack, then Startup and things seem ok ...). The other part of my installation I did not do according to Precription, is that I am leaving the PCI card in its slot while all this Uninstall/ Install is going on ... I believe that is where my 3rd party driver package / OS X system problem lies ... applejack on autopilot, PRAM Reset, and Spotlight Index Reset, seemed to work it out. What can I say ... I've read up on how Permissions Repair basically does nothing ... sort of ... Thanks for your responses ... I really don't know what is actually going on under the hood ... but I can sense if things are running well ... whatever that means. Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 10.5.7
On Jun 7, 2009, at 1:03 AM, Clark Martin wrote: It just shows they don't know what is happening inside So, what's really is happening inside of a Permission Repair order? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 10.5.7
On Jun 7, 2009, at 4:18 PM, Kyle Hansen wrote: FWIW ... manually dowloading the 10.5.7 combo update directly from Apple's site worked perfectly on every Mack or Hack which I have. Whereas, automatically downloading the model-specific update, through Software Update ..., failed in EVERY case, Mack as well as Hack. That's what I am getting at. Let's say you have a couple of Macks in your shop. And, let's say you also have a couple of Hacks in your shop, and all of them are using the vanilla MacOS X kernel and the hidden partition for your EFI emulator and Boot132 for your boot loader. And, let's say you have a 1 GB thumb drive with the file MacOSXUpdCombo10.5.7.pkg as a flat file on that thumb drive, plus you also have the audio packages which are needed for each Hack (none are needed for a Mack, of course). Then, simply run MacOSXUpdCombo10.5.7.pkg against each Mack and/ or run MacOSXUpdCombo10.5.7.pkg against each Hack PLUS run the applicable audio package against each Hack, and Every Mack and Hack will be brought up to 10.5.7 and you will loose no functions PLUS you will gain all functions provided by 10.5.7. P.S. Some Netbooks use a different address for their GMA950, in which case you may have to edit the two GMA950 kexts. If you successfully got your Netbook Hack to 10.5.6, then you'll know which kexts those are. The site referenced below contains a number of audio packages which have been extensively tested, and are known to work. Guides for building Hacks can also be found there, too. http://groups.google.com/group/hq-a + A home for the Hackintosh community. To subscribe to the HQ-A group, send email to hq-a +subscr...@googlegroups.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 10.5.7
On Jun 7, 2009, at 5:45 PM, Kyle Hansen wrote: On 6/7/09 7:48 AM, insightinmind billycarm...@verizon.net Broadcast into the ether: That's actually what I did ... used the 10.5.7 Combo updater on my working 10.5.6 OS X. Did you download it from Apple's site or did you use the software update in your apple menu? Actually, my Software Update was broken in 10.5.6 ... just spun its Aqua Bar ... so (as was suggested by others): http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/apple/macosx_updates/ macosx1057comboupdate.html Software Update's working again in 10.5.7 ... just updated iTunes, Quicktime, Airport, and iLife via same. 10.5.7 seems to be running ok now with my 9 Steps outlined earlier ... sort of modeled after that 12-Steps How to Debug kp's in OS X thing someone shared awhile back ... just specific to my setup using a 3rd party M-Audio v2.0.8: driver/apps/Unix Exec code helper files/etc. Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 10.5.7
On Jun 5, 12:44 pm, insightinmind billycarm...@verizon.net wrote: After replacing my 10.5.6, and doing some file repairs and removal of a flaky USB2 card, I am ready to try again with the 10.5.7 update on my QS 2002 Dual 1GHz. Any 10.5.7 Combo Up(to)date Comments? On three machines, iBook G4/1.33Ghz, MacBook, and aluminum Intel iMac, I used the Combo package manually downloaded to one machine and then transferred to the other Macs via Target Disk Mode. Repaired Permissions and Verified Disk on all, then updated. No Safe Mode. No problems. Al Poulin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 10.5.7
On Jun 6, 2009, at 12:04 PM, Al Poulin wrote: On Jun 5, 12:44 pm, insightinmind billycarm...@verizon.net wrote: After replacing my 10.5.6, and doing some file repairs and removal of a flaky USB2 card, I am ready to try again with the 10.5.7 update on my QS 2002 Dual 1GHz. Any 10.5.7 Combo Up(to)date Comments? On three machines, iBook G4/1.33Ghz, MacBook, and aluminum Intel iMac, I used the Combo package manually downloaded to one machine and then transferred to the other Macs via Target Disk Mode. Repaired Permissions and Verified Disk on all, then updated. No Safe Mode. No problems. Al Poulin Good to hear. My Software Update in 10.5.6 appeared to be broken ... just sat and spun its Aqua Bar ... manual downloads seem to be the way for me, too. It is working now under 10.5.7. I may be having problems again with a third party driver by M-Audio. Everything is up-to-date of what is offered, but installing the 10.5.7 Combo is resulting in the existing setup to kp and blue screen. Removing the M-Audio components gives no kp / no blue screen as far as I have experienced so far ... They recommend use of Repair Permissions to cleanup a system prior to installing their drivers, and then one after installing them. Really seems like they're admitting to faulty systems programming on their part ... not keeping up with interactive demands of OS X 10.5+ My hardware setup is, once again: QS 2002 Dual 1GHz with replaced mobo 1.5GB fresh RAM OS X 10.5.6-7 Seagate 750GB 7200.10 off mobo IDE channel AGP1 ATI Radeon 9800Pro ME PCI2 empty for airflow PCI3 M-Audio Delta 2496 audio card PCI4 empty for simplicity PCI5 Sonnet Tango USB/FW Upgrading OS X shouldn't be this toublesome ... --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 10.5.7
On Jun 6, 2009, at 10:42 AM, Bill Connelly wrote: They recommend use of Repair Permissions to cleanup a system prior to installing their drivers, and then one after installing them. Really seems like they're admitting to faulty systems programming on their part ... not keeping up with interactive demands of OS X 10.5+ They are completely fulla crap or they're messing with stuff they shouldn't be. Repair Permissions WILL NEVER TOUCH any third party items. THE ONLY files RP EVER looks at are files listed BY APPLE in their / Library/Receipts bom files. -- Bruce Johnson Wherever you go, there you are B. Banzai, PhD --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 10.5.7
On Jun 6, 2009, at 2:02 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Jun 6, 2009, at 10:42 AM, Bill Connelly wrote: They recommend use of Repair Permissions to cleanup a system prior to installing their drivers, and then one after installing them. Really seems like they're admitting to faulty systems programming on their part ... not keeping up with interactive demands of OS X 10.5+ They are completely fulla crap or they're messing with stuff they shouldn't be. Repair Permissions WILL NEVER TOUCH any third party items. THE ONLY files RP EVER looks at are files listed BY APPLE in their / Library/Receipts bom files. So ... when someone does a Combo update like 10.5.7, and the resulting system acts as I described above in my hijacking of this thread, what gives? (bluescreen freeze, and kps when trying to access the Dock early in a Startup (mds seems to be running, too). Is it having the ATI Radeon 9800Pro installed when doing the Combo update, it not being an original Apple video card like the Geforce4MX?. I'm currently running applejack in auto pilot mode, prior to re- installing the M-Audio drivers, thinking that may straighten things out first. Doing a few Startups and Restarts as tests. Have also used OnyX to Reset Spotlight Index. Another time, I did rid of something, I think called, BootCacheHelper.plist (thats not the name, but the idea). It was suppose to aid in Startups with a known schedule of items to connect to / load (layman terms), to help speed up the process. It doesn't seem to be back, as far as I can tell. Did I do something bad? Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 10.5.7
On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.eduwrote: On Jun 6, 2009, at 10:42 AM, Bill Connelly wrote: They recommend use of Repair Permissions to cleanup a system prior to installing their drivers, and then one after installing them. Really seems like they're admitting to faulty systems programming on their part ... not keeping up with interactive demands of OS X 10.5+ They are completely fulla crap or they're messing with stuff they shouldn't be. Repair Permissions WILL NEVER TOUCH any third party items. THE ONLY files RP EVER looks at are files listed BY APPLE in their / Library/Receipts bom files. What Bruce said, but for slightly different reasons. I have an M-Audio Revolution 7.1 that I had in my old Quicksilver. It worked great in Panther, but everything went downhill with Tiger. Stuttering and kernel panics were suddenly all the rage. I finally got fed up with M-Audio's crappy drivers, and now have an Echo Indigo IO in my dual G5. Don't ask me how I got a PCMCIA card into a G5 tower. It's a long and harrowing tale. But once I got it working it was flawless. Eric --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 10.5.7
On 6/6/09 11:02 AM, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu Broadcast into the ether: On Jun 6, 2009, at 10:42 AM, Bill Connelly wrote: They recommend use of Repair Permissions to cleanup a system prior to installing their drivers, and then one after installing them. Really seems like they're admitting to faulty systems programming on their part ... not keeping up with interactive demands of OS X 10.5+ They are completely fulla crap or they're messing with stuff they shouldn't be. Repair Permissions WILL NEVER TOUCH any third party items. THE ONLY files RP EVER looks at are files listed BY APPLE in their / Library/Receipts bom files. He's right. Bruce hates the overuse of Permissions Repair as the magical solution (remember the cuda button days?) as much as I do. I am an apple Certified Technician. I to it for a living. Bruce is right. As he almost always isdidn't I get you with 1 wrong answer? Or semi-wrong? Kyle Hansen -- This is the way the world ends...not with a bang, but a twitter. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 10.5.7
On Jun 7, 2009, at 12:44 AM, Kyle Hansen wrote: On 6/6/09 11:02 AM, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu Broadcast He's right. Bruce hates the overuse of Permissions Repair as the magical solution (remember the cuda button days?) as much as I do. I am an apple Certified Technician. I to it for a living. Bruce is right. As he almost always isdidn't I get you with 1 wrong answer? Or semi-wrong? Kyle Hansen To try and resolve my Upgrade to 10.5.7 issues, I have since done this, and am currently claiming success: 1. Manually/otherwise Uninstall M-Audio (3rd party) components. 2. Restart in Single User Mode and Run applejack in *a*uto pilot mode (multistep sequence: Repairs Disk, Repairs Permissions, Clears Virtual Memory, clears caches, checks validity of preference files, etc, IIRC) 3. Shutdown, Rest, and Startup, allowing 3rd party-free system to stabilize (see Activity Monitor settle - allow Spotlight (mds) to finish, kextcache, find, etc to conclude). 4. Test system by Shutdown, Rest, and Startup. 5. Install M-Audio (3rd party) components, Restart until you can Shutdown. 6. Startup in Single User Mode and Run applejack in *a*uto pilot mode (multistep sequence) 7. Shutdown and let rest. 8. Startup resetting PRAM using opt-command-P-R Somewhere along the way I also used OnyX to Reset Spotlight Index, since part of the issues may be related to corrupt Spotlight files. Letting Spotlight finish has become something to watch out for, before using a freshly Startup'ed system, and / or before Restarting. Trying to trust the OS X 10.5.7 system that appears to be working as of the typing of this line ... just Startup'ed very cleanly after being down for a few hours. If others have success with this idea, please comment. Thanks I may return to 10.5.6 until the techno-dust settles ... I made a CCC 3.2.1 clone of it before upgrading to 10.5.7 ... A bunch of folks on Apple Discussions, are complaining about this upgrade ... Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 10.5.7
On Jun 5, 2009, at 9:44 AM, insightinmind wrote: Any 10.5.7 Combo Up(to)date Comments? Works properly on my Macks and my Hacks. Installed on my Hacks first, and the Combo Updater was indeed required, but none of the other steps were (two executions of permissions repairs and use of Safe Mode). Installed on my Macks last, and the Combo Updater was all that was required. 10.5.7 breaks the sound driver, so Hacks will have to reinstall whatever they are using for sound. http://groups.google.com/group/hq-a + A home for the Hackintosh community. To subscribe to the HQ-A group, send email to hq-a +subscr...@googlegroups.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 10.5.7
On May 24, 2009, at 9:00 PM, Herbert Goodfriend wrote: I received the following advice in the latest TechRestore e-mail bulletin (which they apparently obtained from MacFixit): Since the 10.5.7 update was released, we have had a number of systems come in for repair with related problems. I'm sorry to say that I even got stung with this one and have spend a few hours cleaning up from the 10.5.7 debacle on my MacBook Pro. Thus, we are not recommending the Mac OS 10.5.7 update UNLESS you follow these steps: 1. Don't use Software Update. Instead, download the standalone Combo updater. 2. Reboot into Safe Mode. 3. Run the Apple Disk Utility application and perform a Permissions fix and hard drive repair. 4. Run the Combo 10.5.7 updater. 5. Immediately repair permissions again using Apple Disk Utility. Thanks to our friends at MacFixit.com for these tips - be careful with this update, we are seeing a lot of machines coming in with problems related to 10.5.7. This is what I have experienced too except ... After doing all of the above, even with applejack ... I just got another kp on a simple cold boot.. It had to search for a valid harddrive again ... ever so quickly. Wasn't doing this with 10.5.6. My new system should be stable. I might try going back to 10.5.6. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 10.5.7
On May 24, 2009, at 8:29 PM, Meghrouni Vince wrote: Thank you, did attempt. 10.5.6 HD too unstable to complete download. Ok, so your backup AND your updated disks are unstable. This is NEW information, and indicates that the problems with 10.5.7 may not be related to 10.5.7, but to something else. Are these separate disks or merely separate partitions on the same disk? Can you run disk repair from a boot DVD? -- Bruce Johnson Wherever you go, there you are B. Banzai, PhD --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 10.5.7
Will do - thank you! On May 23, 2009, at 4:29 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: On May 23, 2009, at 5:45 PM, Meghrouni Vince wrote: Downloaded 10.5.7 and installed. Starts up, apps, volumes and files appear on desktop, spotlight indexing in process. Goes to blue screen. Finder starts up again, repeats process again and again. Help. Try Safe Boot by holding the Shift key at startup. If it starts normally, reboot, and hopefully it's OK. Safe Boot trashes and rebuilds the kernel extensions caches, which should hopefully be all the help your system needs? Good luck! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 10.5.7
It kept doing it, but I force quit it and zapped the pram and it seemed to clear it up - for now. It had been doing that loop closed to every minute. Any idea what that was about? On May 23, 2009, at 4:29 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: On May 23, 2009, at 5:45 PM, Meghrouni Vince wrote: Downloaded 10.5.7 and installed. Starts up, apps, volumes and files appear on desktop, spotlight indexing in process. Goes to blue screen. Finder starts up again, repeats process again and again. Help. Try Safe Boot by holding the Shift key at startup. If it starts normally, reboot, and hopefully it's OK. Safe Boot trashes and rebuilds the kernel extensions caches, which should hopefully be all the help your system needs? Good luck! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 10.5.7
I was wrong about that - for some reason it started up on 10.5.6, which is the system on my backup volume. This is nuts. On May 23, 2009, at 4:29 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: On May 23, 2009, at 5:45 PM, Meghrouni Vince wrote: Downloaded 10.5.7 and installed. Starts up, apps, volumes and files appear on desktop, spotlight indexing in process. Goes to blue screen. Finder starts up again, repeats process again and again. Help. Try Safe Boot by holding the Shift key at startup. If it starts normally, reboot, and hopefully it's OK. Safe Boot trashes and rebuilds the kernel extensions caches, which should hopefully be all the help your system needs? Good luck! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 10.5.7
Ok, this seems crazy to me. To someone out there it may make perfect sense. I have had big problems with my Quicksilver 2002 933Mhz for awhile. As the result of trying to salvage some life out of it because I need it and can't afford a new one, at the same time trying to save files I need, I've installed a larger HD, cloned the contents of the original HD onto the larger one and have been using the larger one to operate. I downloaded the 10.5.7 upgrade and installed it on the larger HD, which had been 10.5.6. 10.5.6 remains on the smaller, original HD. After installing 10.5.7, it has been looping the startup process from blue screen to all apps, files, etc., i.e., working mode. After approx. 1 minute in that mode it goes to blue screen, then back. On advice from Kris Tilford I did a Safe Boot. No good, same thing, except it looped to the Safe Boot screen over and over. I zapped the pram, and thought that did the job because the loop stopped. But it didn't, it just started from 10.5.6. I thought maybe I'd made a mistake and restarted from the wrong drive somehow from something I'd done, but then did it again from startup disc in prefs, making sure to choose the proper volume, the one with 10.5.7 and same exactly the same thing happened. What the bleep is going on here? Anybody know? Thanks. Vince On May 23, 2009, at 4:29 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: On May 23, 2009, at 5:45 PM, Meghrouni Vince wrote: Downloaded 10.5.7 and installed. Starts up, apps, volumes and files appear on desktop, spotlight indexing in process. Goes to blue screen. Finder starts up again, repeats process again and again. Help. Try Safe Boot by holding the Shift key at startup. If it starts normally, reboot, and hopefully it's OK. Safe Boot trashes and rebuilds the kernel extensions caches, which should hopefully be all the help your system needs? Good luck! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 10.5.7
On May 24, 2009, at 12:39 AM, Meghrouni Vince wrote: But it didn't, it just started from 10.5.6. I thought maybe I'd made a mistake and restarted from the wrong drive somehow from something I'd done, but then did it again from startup disc in prefs, making sure to choose the proper volume, the one with 10.5.7 and same exactly the same thing happened. What the bleep is going on here? Anybody know? Are you saying that you're booting in 10.5.6 from the drive you thought you installed the 10.5.7 upgrade on? Something happened during the update procedure. What I would do is download the *combo* 10.5.7 update, and run it again. see what happens. -- Bruce Johnson Wherever you go, there you are B. Banzai, PhD --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 10.5.7
On May 24, 2009, at 12:40 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On May 24, 2009, at 12:39 AM, Meghrouni Vince wrote: But it didn't, it just started from 10.5.6. I thought maybe I'd made a mistake and restarted from the wrong drive somehow from something I'd done, but then did it again from startup disc in prefs, making sure to choose the proper volume, the one with 10.5.7 and same exactly the same thing happened. What the bleep is going on here? Anybody know? Are you saying that you're booting in 10.5.6 from the drive you thought you installed the 10.5.7 upgrade on? It sounds to me like he has 10.5.7 on one partition and 10.5.6 on another. The 10.5.7 system is messed up and not bootable, and now it's starting up from the other one. Joe --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 10.5.7
10.5.6 is on one hard drive. 10.5.6 is on another. 10.5.7 boots, but gets stuck in a loop - once it's fully up, after a minute, it goes to blue screen, and then quickly to up, then a minute goes by, then it goes to blue screen and repeats the process. But, if you boot it and zap the pram, although it was specifically booted from the 10.5.7 hard drive, it boots from 10.5.6. On May 24, 2009, at 11:33 AM, joe wrote: On May 24, 2009, at 12:40 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On May 24, 2009, at 12:39 AM, Meghrouni Vince wrote: But it didn't, it just started from 10.5.6. I thought maybe I'd made a mistake and restarted from the wrong drive somehow from something I'd done, but then did it again from startup disc in prefs, making sure to choose the proper volume, the one with 10.5.7 and same exactly the same thing happened. What the bleep is going on here? Anybody know? Are you saying that you're booting in 10.5.6 from the drive you thought you installed the 10.5.7 upgrade on? It sounds to me like he has 10.5.7 on one partition and 10.5.6 on another. The 10.5.7 system is messed up and not bootable, and now it's starting up from the other one. Joe --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 10.5.7
Nope. I can boot from the drive that 10.5.7 is installed on. But it only lasts for one minute and goes to blue screen, then comes up again quickly, then goes to blue screen again and repeats it until you force quit. Once it actually worked for awhile inexplicably but next time it was booted went back to that routine. I have 10.5.6 on another drive. It was my backup. I started from the 10.5.7 drive and decided to zap the pram to see if that helped the endless 10.5.7-to-blue screen loop. After three bell chimes it came up - but had booted from the 10.5.6 drive. I thought I'd made a mistake so repeated the process, making sure to choose the 10.5.7 drive in startup-disc pref, and although I clearly choose the 10.5.7 drive, after zapping the pram it booted from 10.5.6. However, after that, I booted from the 10.5.7 drive and did not zap the pram. It booted from that drive in 10.5.7 but went to the loop. Dumb question: Where do I get the combo update? I downloaded mine by choosing Software Update in the apple pull down menu. Thanks On May 24, 2009, at 10:40 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On May 24, 2009, at 12:39 AM, Meghrouni Vince wrote: But it didn't, it just started from 10.5.6. I thought maybe I'd made a mistake and restarted from the wrong drive somehow from something I'd done, but then did it again from startup disc in prefs, making sure to choose the proper volume, the one with 10.5.7 and same exactly the same thing happened. What the bleep is going on here? Anybody know? Are you saying that you're booting in 10.5.6 from the drive you thought you installed the 10.5.7 upgrade on? Something happened during the update procedure. What I would do is download the *combo* 10.5.7 update, and run it again. see what happens. -- Bruce Johnson Wherever you go, there you are B. Banzai, PhD --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 10.5.7
On May 24, 2009, at 6:56 PM, Meghrouni Vince wrote: Dumb question: Where do I get the combo update? I downloaded mine by choosing Software Update in the apple pull down menu. (not dumb ... its seems hidden to me) Currently its located at: http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/apple/macosx_updates/ macosx1057comboupdate.html Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 10.5.7
I received the following advice in the latest TechRestore e-mail bulletin (which they apparently obtained from MacFixit): Since the 10.5.7 update was released, we have had a number of systems come in for repair with related problems. I'm sorry to say that I even got stung with this one and have spend a few hours cleaning up from the 10.5.7 debacle on my MacBook Pro. Thus, we are not recommending the Mac OS 10.5.7 update UNLESS you follow these steps: 1. Don't use Software Update. Instead, download the standalone Combo updater. 2. Reboot into Safe Mode. 3. Run the Apple Disk Utility application and perform a Permissions fix and hard drive repair. 4. Run the Combo 10.5.7 updater. 5. Immediately repair permissions again using Apple Disk Utility. Thanks to our friends at MacFixit.com for these tips - be careful with this update, we are seeing a lot of machines coming in with problems related to 10.5.7. Herb Goodfriend --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 10.5.7
On May 24, 2009, at 3:56 PM, Meghrouni Vince wrote: Dumb question: Where do I get the combo update? I downloaded mine by choosing Software Update in the apple pull down menu. Go to Apple's website, and you'll ind it under Support Downloads. -- Bruce Johnson U of Az College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions don't have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 10.5.7
Thank you, did attempt. 10.5.6 HD too unstable to complete download. On May 24, 2009, at 7:40 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On May 24, 2009, at 3:56 PM, Meghrouni Vince wrote: Dumb question: Where do I get the combo update? I downloaded mine by choosing Software Update in the apple pull down menu. Go to Apple's website, and you'll ind it under Support Downloads. -- Bruce Johnson U of Az College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions don't have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
10.5.7
Downloaded 10.5.7 and installed. Starts up, apps, volumes and files appear on desktop, spotlight indexing in process. Goes to blue screen. Finder starts up again, repeats process again and again. Help. Vince Meghrouni --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 10.5.7
On May 23, 2009, at 5:45 PM, Meghrouni Vince wrote: Downloaded 10.5.7 and installed. Starts up, apps, volumes and files appear on desktop, spotlight indexing in process. Goes to blue screen. Finder starts up again, repeats process again and again. Help. Try Safe Boot by holding the Shift key at startup. If it starts normally, reboot, and hopefully it's OK. Safe Boot trashes and rebuilds the kernel extensions caches, which should hopefully be all the help your system needs? Good luck! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Anyone update to 10.5.7 yet?
On May 14, 3:19 pm, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: On May 14, 2009, at 12:18 PM, Steve R wrote: At 9:01 AM -0700 5/14/09, Bruce Johnson posted: 1st Gen Intel iMac, hung on the reboot, then rebooted a second time after I booted it in safe mode, but it's looking ok now. Weird. My neighbour updated the same machine last night via Software Update and experienced the exact same thing. I blamed it on him not listening to me when I tell him to use the Combo Updater ;-) My system is running happily now, though... -- Thanks to all early adopters for the interesting reading. I will take the Combo Updater, maybe a week or so from now. Al Poulin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Anyone update to 10.5.7 yet?
At 3:21 PM -0500 5/13/2009, Kris Tilford wrote: On May 13, 2009, at 12:52 PM, Dan wrote: At 1:48 AM -0500 5/13/09, Kris Tilford wrote: After installing, I ran Repair Permissions again. Took nearly 1 hour! Really slow! Many wrong permissions! That's not normal at all. Do a repair disk on that volume. I did verify disk beforehand, it took less than a minute, said all was fine. Just repeated, same result, appears to be OK in less than a minute. I've had repair permissions go really slow before, but not with so many wrong. I think it's a Disk Utility bug? No, not a DU bug. And totally not a normal thing to happen. Keep good backups. I'm thinking that disk blew some bad blocks in critical places... - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Anyone update to 10.5.7 yet?
QS 2002 Dual 1GHz w/ replacement mobo. Update from 10.5.6 went well after manual download of non-Combo package ... ~6-7 minutes installation time, and 2 auto Restarts. Xbench 1.3 may have dropped ~1% overall score. Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Anyone update to 10.5.7 yet?
1st Gen Intel iMac, hung on the reboot, then rebooted a second time after I booted it in safe mode, but it's looking ok now. Weird. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Anyone update to 10.5.7 yet?
iBook G4, 1.33ghz, 1.25gb ram. No extras, except for Menu Meters. Initial reboot took about 10 minutes, followed by a bootloader kernal panic. Crossed my fingers, powered down, booted again and all has been well since. Did see a lot of failed updates at work yesterday though. m On May 14, 2009, at 12:01 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: 1st Gen Intel iMac, hung on the reboot, then rebooted a second time after I booted it in safe mode, but it's looking ok now. Weird. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Anyone update to 10.5.7 yet?
At 9:01 AM -0700 5/14/09, Bruce Johnson posted: 1st Gen Intel iMac, hung on the reboot, then rebooted a second time after I booted it in safe mode, but it's looking ok now. Weird. My neighbour updated the same machine last night via Software Update and experienced the exact same thing. I blamed it on him not listening to me when I tell him to use the Combo Updater ;-) Double Weird. Steve R --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Anyone update to 10.5.7 yet?
On May 14, 2009, at 12:18 PM, Steve R wrote: At 9:01 AM -0700 5/14/09, Bruce Johnson posted: 1st Gen Intel iMac, hung on the reboot, then rebooted a second time after I booted it in safe mode, but it's looking ok now. Weird. My neighbour updated the same machine last night via Software Update and experienced the exact same thing. I blamed it on him not listening to me when I tell him to use the Combo Updater ;-) My system is running happily now, though... -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Anyone update to 10.5.7 yet?
I'm having trouble with the Webkit nightly build of Safari, it hangs then crashes trying to open. Safari 4 public beta has an update to be installed after the 10.5.7 update and that seems to work just fine. If you are running the Safari 4 public beta you should run software update after installing thw 10.5.7 update and you should get the new beta update. On May 12, 5:27 pm, Doug Burton slu...@embarqmail.com wrote: Mine says 4-6 hours, must be a huge demand. Just a message from Doug... http://groups.google.com/group/hq-a+ A home for the Hackintosh community. To subscribe to the HQ-A group, send email to hq-a +subscr...@googlegroups.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Anyone update to 10.5.7 yet?
I'm having trouble even connecting via Software Update. It sat spinning its Aqua Bar for an hour ... Could have changing my mobo affected my SLA connectivity? I didn't think Apple was so saavy/picky. I see the upgrades on the Apple site ... I have 10.5.6 on my QS 2002 ... is the Combo the way to go? Anyone having any problems on a PPC G4? being that 10.5 leans towards Intel Macs ... --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Anyone update to 10.5.7 yet?
Powerbook 1.33 Mhz 12 inch G4 a little bit long install and a little bit long first start but ok. 2009/5/13 Bill Connelly billycarm...@verizon.net I'm having trouble even connecting via Software Update. It sat spinning its Aqua Bar for an hour ... Could have changing my mobo affected my SLA connectivity? I didn't think Apple was so saavy/picky. I see the upgrades on the Apple site ... I have 10.5.6 on my QS 2002 ... is the Combo the way to go? Anyone having any problems on a PPC G4? being that 10.5 leans towards Intel Macs ... -- Baha Ata --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Anyone update to 10.5.7 yet?
On May 13, 2009, at 8:59 AM, Bill Connelly wrote: I'm having trouble even connecting via Software Update. It sat spinning its Aqua Bar for an hour ... Could have changing my mobo affected my SLA connectivity? I didn't think Apple was so saavy/picky. Nah. This is Apple having problems, or Akamai, because Apple has Akamai servers all over the place to load balance. I see the upgrades on the Apple site ... I have 10.5.6 on my QS 2002 ... is the Combo the way to go? No, you're going from 10.5.6 to 10.5.7 you'll want the regular update, not the combo. You only need the combo if you're going from a version older than 10.5.6. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Anyone update to 10.5.7 yet? Also a Security update for 10.4.11
Just checked on my work DA running 10.4.11 and there is a Security Update also available for 10.4. 77.3 MB, and downloading now, says 6 minutes, but we are on a low end dsl here. Len --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Anyone update to 10.5.7 yet?
On May 12, 2009, at 11:48 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: No problem with Software Update on my dual 2.3 GHz G5 for the 466MB version. As expected, there were some surprises ... some VERY RUDE surprises ... with the latest, and possibly the last update to 10.5, 10.5.7. At least in the one Hack which I updated today, the machine was bricked (that is, it was made unusable) by the update. Also, the smaller non-Combo updates have problems, and they may not download, or they may not install properly, so the much larger Combo Update should be one's starting point, whether a Mack or a Hack. The size of the Combo Update exceeds the capacity of CD media, so this update will have to be written to flash drive or to DVD media. Those with G4 Macks should consider a DVD as the USB is only 1.1. Those with Hacks should consider a flash drive as the USB is 2.0. However, at this time, no Hacks should attempt an update to 10.5.7. Instead, all Hacks should have the Check for updates option of Software Update set to unchecked (that is DO NOT CHECK for software updates). http://groups.google.com/group/hq-a + A home for the Hackintosh community. To subscribe to the HQ-A group, send email to hq-a +subscr...@googlegroups.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Anyone update to 10.5.7 yet? Also a Security update for 10.4.11
On May 13, 2009, at 10:12 AM, Len Gerstel wrote: Just checked on my work DA running 10.4.11 and there is a Security Update also available for 10.4. 77.3 MB, and downloading now, says 6 minutes, but we are on a low end dsl here. My DA (dual 1.0 GHz QS 2002 processor) which is quad-booted with 10.5, 10.4, 10.3 Server and 10.3, had the update from 10.5.6 to 10.5.7 installed today, perfectly, from the very large Combo Update (which had been separately downloaded and written to a DVD), and 10.4.11 had the security update applied, perfectly as well. 10.4.11 is this computer's normal system, and it includes Classic. http://groups.google.com/group/hq-a + A home for the Hackintosh community. To subscribe to the HQ-A group, send email to hq-a +subscr...@googlegroups.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Anyone update to 10.5.7 yet?
At 1:48 AM -0500 5/13/09, Kris Tilford wrote: No problem with Software Update on my dual 2.3 GHz G5 for the 466MB version. I ran Disk UtilityRepair Permissions before installing the 10.5.7 update, nothing wrong. After installing, I ran Repair Permissions again. Took nearly 1 hour! Really slow! Many wrong permissions! 5/13/09 12:22:53 AM Disk Utility[411] Permissions differ on System/ Library/Extensions/ACard6280ATA.kext/Contents/Info.plist, should be - rw-r--r-- , they are -rwxr-xr-x . [etc] That's not normal at all. Do a repair disk on that volume. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Anyone update to 10.5.7 yet?
On May 13, 2009, at 8:59 AM, Bill Connelly wrote: I'm having trouble even connecting via Software Update. It sat spinning its Aqua Bar for an hour ... Could have changing my mobo affected my SLA connectivity? I didn't think Apple was so saavy/picky. I see the upgrades on the Apple site ... I have 10.5.6 on my QS 2002 ... is the Combo the way to go? Anyone having any problems on a PPC G4? being that 10.5 leans towards Intel Macs ... Just installed on an Al Powerbook 1.5 GHz/2GB/80GB. No problems so far. It did do one odd reboot during the restart, but everything seems to be okay. One odd change noted... the icon for the Energy Saver Preference Pane changed from an incandescent bulb to a compact fluorescent bulb on my iMac, but not on the Powerbook!? Amanda --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Anyone update to 10.5.7 yet?
Update went well on my QS. No problems at all. Peter M. Sent with my mobile device -Original Message- From: Amanda Ward amanda.w...@comcast.net Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 11:28:27 To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Anyone update to 10.5.7 yet? On May 13, 2009, at 8:59 AM, Bill Connelly wrote: I'm having trouble even connecting via Software Update. It sat spinning its Aqua Bar for an hour ... Could have changing my mobo affected my SLA connectivity? I didn't think Apple was so saavy/picky. I see the upgrades on the Apple site ... I have 10.5.6 on my QS 2002 ... is the Combo the way to go? Anyone having any problems on a PPC G4? being that 10.5 leans towards Intel Macs ... Just installed on an Al Powerbook 1.5 GHz/2GB/80GB. No problems so far. It did do one odd reboot during the restart, but everything seems to be okay. One odd change noted... the icon for the Energy Saver Preference Pane changed from an incandescent bulb to a compact fluorescent bulb on my iMac, but not on the Powerbook!? Amanda --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Anyone update to 10.5.7 yet?
On May 13, 2009, at 11:28 AM, Amanda Ward wrote: One odd change noted... the icon for the Energy Saver Preference Pane changed from an incandescent bulb to a compact fluorescent bulb on my iMac, but not on the Powerbook!? Is the iMac an Intel system? That prefs pane may have been only updated on the Intel systems. Given that the Intel update is 400 megs and the PPC one is only 256megs would lend credence to that theory. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Anyone update to 10.5.7 yet?
On May 13, 2009, at 11:40 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On May 13, 2009, at 11:28 AM, Amanda Ward wrote: One odd change noted... the icon for the Energy Saver Preference Pane changed from an incandescent bulb to a compact fluorescent bulb on my iMac, but not on the Powerbook!? Is the iMac an Intel system? That prefs pane may have been only updated on the Intel systems. Given that the Intel update is 400 megs and the PPC one is only 256megs would lend credence to that theory. Yup... the Intel iMac. I used the same download for both machines... not the combo, since both were X.5.6. Still, there would have to be different code for two different systems. They just have to make the PPC folk feel left behind. ;-) Perhaps they should have changed the PPC icon to a lantern! Amanda --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Anyone update to 10.5.7 yet? Also a Security update for 10.4.11
The 10.4.11 Security Update 2009-002 downloaded in ~3 mins and installed fine. After installing, reboot took longer than usual, but after the first reboot, the second rebot was fast again. Also, after the Security Update, there is Safari 3.2.3 to download. On 5/14/09, PeterH peterh5...@rattlebrain.com wrote: On May 13, 2009, at 10:12 AM, Len Gerstel wrote: Just checked on my work DA running 10.4.11 and there is a Security Update also available for 10.4. 77.3 MB, and downloading now, says 6 minutes, but we are on a low end dsl here. My DA (dual 1.0 GHz QS 2002 processor) which is quad-booted with 10.5, 10.4, 10.3 Server and 10.3, had the update from 10.5.6 to 10.5.7 installed today, perfectly, from the very large Combo Update (which had been separately downloaded and written to a DVD), and 10.4.11 had the security update applied, perfectly as well. 10.4.11 is this computer's normal system, and it includes Classic. http://groups.google.com/group/hq-a + A home for the Hackintosh community. To subscribe to the HQ-A group, send email to hq-a +subscr...@googlegroups.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Anyone update to 10.5.7 yet?
On May 13, 2009, at 12:52 PM, Dan wrote: At 1:48 AM -0500 5/13/09, Kris Tilford wrote: After installing, I ran Repair Permissions again. Took nearly 1 hour! Really slow! Many wrong permissions! That's not normal at all. Do a repair disk on that volume. I did verify disk beforehand, it took less than a minute, said all was fine. Just repeated, same result, appears to be OK in less than a minute. I've had repair permissions go really slow before, but not with so many wrong. I think it's a Disk Utility bug? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Anyone update to 10.5.7 yet? Also a Security update for 10.4.11
uptade was clean... just installation and restart after it was slow... but now my G4 Powerbook become so slow... anyone have same problem or feeling... responsiviness gone... what i need to do... it is getting hotter i guess too 2009/5/13 Po-en Tsai poen.t...@gmail.com The 10.4.11 Security Update 2009-002 downloaded in ~3 mins and installed fine. After installing, reboot took longer than usual, but after the first reboot, the second rebot was fast again. Also, after the Security Update, there is Safari 3.2.3 to download. On 5/14/09, PeterH peterh5...@rattlebrain.com wrote: On May 13, 2009, at 10:12 AM, Len Gerstel wrote: Just checked on my work DA running 10.4.11 and there is a Security Update also available for 10.4. 77.3 MB, and downloading now, says 6 minutes, but we are on a low end dsl here. My DA (dual 1.0 GHz QS 2002 processor) which is quad-booted with 10.5, 10.4, 10.3 Server and 10.3, had the update from 10.5.6 to 10.5.7 installed today, perfectly, from the very large Combo Update (which had been separately downloaded and written to a DVD), and 10.4.11 had the security update applied, perfectly as well. 10.4.11 is this computer's normal system, and it includes Classic. http://groups.google.com/group/hq-a + A home for the Hackintosh community. To subscribe to the HQ-A group, send email to hq-a +subscr...@googlegroups.com -- Baha Ata --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Anyone update to 10.5.7 yet? Also a Security update for 10.4.11
On May 13, 2009, at 2:11 PM, Baha Ata wrote: uptade was clean... just installation and restart after it was slow... but now my G4 Powerbook become so slow... anyone have same problem or feeling... responsiviness gone... what i need to do... it is getting hotter i guess too Check to see that something didn't trigger a Spotlight rebuild. That would hammer disk IO and geep the system running warm. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Anyone update to 10.5.7 yet?
On May 13, 2009, at 1:39 PM, Peter wrote: Update went well on my QS. No problems at all. Peter M. Sent with my mobile device No problem with update, dual 1.8/5gb ram Bequette Jeff jbeque...@tconl.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Anyone update to 10.5.7 yet?
Mine says 4-6 hours, must be a huge demand. Just a message from Doug... http://groups.google.com/group/hq-a + A home for the Hackintosh community. To subscribe to the HQ-A group, send email to hq-a +subscr...@googlegroups.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Anyone update to 10.5.7 yet?
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 5:27 PM, Doug Burton slu...@embarqmail.com wrote: Mine says 4-6 hours, must be a huge demand. I just downloaded and installed the update on my Nehalem Mac Pro 8-core, and the 449mb download and install went smoothly. I was really looking forward to this update because a lot of addresses a lot of the new architecture in the Mac Pros, along with updated drivers for the Radeon 4870 video card. I'm installing the 286mb update on wifey's Aluminum iMac right now. Alex --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Anyone update to 10.5.7 yet?
On May 12, 2009, at 2:27 PM, Doug Burton wrote: Mine says 4-6 hours, must be a huge demand. I think Apple's servers are getting hammered. It just failed downloading twice for me, which is a first. Oddly mine (for an Intel iMac 1st gen) was 449 MB, not 256 MB. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Anyone update to 10.5.7 yet?
On May 12, 2009, at 2:53 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On May 12, 2009, at 2:27 PM, Doug Burton wrote: Mine says 4-6 hours, must be a huge demand. I think Apple's servers are getting hammered. It just failed downloading twice for me, which is a first. Oddly mine (for an Intel iMac 1st gen) was 449 MB, not 256 MB. I went to Apple's web site to download it it came screaming down (I've got a gigabit connection at work). The combo update is HUGE, 762 MB. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Anyone update to 10.5.7 yet?
Bruce Johnson wrote: On May 12, 2009, at 2:27 PM, Doug Burton wrote: Mine says 4-6 hours, must be a huge demand. I think Apple's servers are getting hammered. It just failed downloading twice for me, which is a first. Oddly mine (for an Intel iMac 1st gen) was 449 MB, not 256 MB. I just pulled the 750MB Combo updater - then I can take it to work to do work macs, plus I'll update a friends MacBook Pro. It came down in 20 mins:- how much less I don't know for sure, as I didn't monitor it. Maybe not many people are going for the Combo, so it arrives quicker. Anyway, it's 2300 here in the UK - installation can wait until tomorrow, as by bed is calling. Ted --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
