Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?/ RICH Text

[Wallace Adrian D'Alessio]

On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 1:24 AM, Bill Connelly wrote:

> This thread be obsolete of PowerPC ... seems like forever ...


Wrong thread Bill. This is  a clearly marked spin-off regarding Rich text as
a communicative tool and has gotten into a discussion of other subjects. To
express the opinion that PPCs are or are not obsolete, that is the other
thread..


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Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?/ RICH Text

[Bill Connelly]

This thread be obsolete of PowerPC ... seems like forever ...

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Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?/ RICH Text

[John Carmonne]

On Jun 14, 2010, at 3:53 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:

> 
> 
> On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 10:18 PM, Dan  wrote:
> At 9:05 PM + 6/14/2010, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:
> But I still often hear of the generations raised on computers. I guess that 
> does not mean much. Playing games and sneaking porn does not teach you how to 
> handle system resources
> 
> We've been toodling around in cars for how long?  100+ years?  And how many 
> people are totally befuddled when it comes to changing a tire or even 
> replacing their windshield wipers...  heh.  We're lucky if they can park 
> between the lines!
> 
> It makes me mad that the lines get closer together.  Yet my Dodge Caravan is 
> still pretty wide. When I had the Big old Mercury Gran Marquis I didn't care. 
> It was a rat ride. But the Caravan is too pretty!
> 
> So while I get a car that improves my credibility. it is more vulnerable to 
> damage to take that credibility away. Hard to win.
> 
> Working on getting a Gran Maqruis again for errands and manuevers.
> 
Driving my Ford 250 diesel Super Duty is like my old Quadra 850 compared to the 
Nissan Cube as a MBP.   Faster and easier to drive:-)


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Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?/ RICH Text

[Wallace Adrian D'Alessio]

On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 10:18 PM, Dan  wrote:

> At 9:05 PM + 6/14/2010, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:
>
>> But I still often hear of the generations raised on computers. I guess
>> that does not mean much. Playing games and sneaking porn does not teach you
>> how to handle system resources
>>
>
> We've been toodling around in cars for how long?  100+ years?  And how many
> people are totally befuddled when it comes to changing a tire or even
> replacing their windshield wipers...  heh.  We're lucky if they can park
> between the lines!


It makes me mad that the lines get closer together.  Yet my Dodge Caravan is
still pretty wide. When I had the Big old Mercury Gran Marquis I didn't
care. It was a rat ride. But the Caravan is too pretty!

So while I get a car that improves my credibility. it is more vulnerable to
damage to take that credibility away. Hard to win.

Working on getting a Gran Maqruis again for errands and manuevers.


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Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?/ RICH Text

[Dan]

At 9:05 PM + 6/14/2010, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:
But I still often hear of the generations raised on computers. I 
guess that does not mean much. Playing games and sneaking porn does 
not teach you how to handle system resources


We've been toodling around in cars for how long?  100+ years?  And 
how many people are totally befuddled when it comes to changing a 
tire or even replacing their windshield wipers...  heh.  We're lucky 
if they can park between the lines!


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Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?/ RICH Text

[Wallace Adrian D'Alessio]

On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 9:46 PM, Bruce Johnson  wrote:

>
> On Jun 14, 2010, at 2:34 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:
>
> >>
> >> Why we had to scratch the bits onto pieces of paper we peeled up from
> the
> >> floor of the butchers shop and wrote on with our own blood! Three
> graphics
> >> artists would die every time we did a layer mask!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> > But it beat getting the pottery wheel  to keep a steady rpm while you
> held
> > the twig to the clay trying to read the pottery grooves for data.
> >
>
>
> You just didn't have the right equipment!
>
> 
>
> _
>


The turtles of the right spin rate were hard to come by. They had to be
carried on donkeys from the upper Nile. Camels were too fast and the jarring
made the turtles nauseous .


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Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?/ RICH Text

[Bruce Johnson]

On Jun 14, 2010, at 2:34 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:

>> 
>> Why we had to scratch the bits onto pieces of paper we peeled up from the
>> floor of the butchers shop and wrote on with our own blood! Three graphics
>> artists would die every time we did a layer mask!
>> 
>> 
>> 
> But it beat getting the pottery wheel  to keep a steady rpm while you held
> the twig to the clay trying to read the pottery grooves for data.
> 


You just didn't have the right equipment! 




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Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?/ RICH Text

[Wallace Adrian D'Alessio]

On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 9:23 PM, Bruce Johnson  wrote:

>
>
> Why we had to scratch the bits onto pieces of paper we peeled up from the
> floor of the butchers shop and wrote on with our own blood! Three graphics
> artists would die every time we did a layer mask!
>

Those clay jar wine vinegar acid batteries were crap too. And the wife would
always be raiding them for salad dressing !



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Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?/ RICH Text

[Wallace Adrian D'Alessio]

On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 9:23 PM, Bruce Johnson  wrote:

>
> On Jun 14, 2010, at 2:05 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:
>
>
> > Give  'em a 7 MHz processor and 1 MB RAM and see what they can do !
> >
> > And no I am not kidding.
>
>
> Uphill both ways, I presume, barefoot in the snow? 8-P
>

With loose RAM slots and a dirty tape drive !

>
> >
> > My first layered composite image process was done on a machine of that
> spec.
> > Later I had 16 MHz and 16 MB RAM. That machine sits on the floor about 2
> > feet from where I am now.
>
> RAM?? you had RAM? Luuuxury.
>

Yep, the early 90s saw a lot of folks unloading their super expensive used
equipment to buy those Oh so reliable PCs!

>
> Why we had to scratch the bits onto pieces of paper we peeled up from the
> floor of the butchers shop and wrote on with our own blood! Three graphics
> artists would die every time we did a layer mask!
>
>
>
But it beat getting the pottery wheel  to keep a steady rpm while you held
the twig to the clay trying to read the pottery grooves for data.



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Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?/ RICH Text

[Bruce Johnson]

On Jun 14, 2010, at 2:05 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:


> Give  'em a 7 MHz processor and 1 MB RAM and see what they can do !
> 
> And no I am not kidding.


Uphill both ways, I presume, barefoot in the snow? 8-P

> 
> My first layered composite image process was done on a machine of that spec.
> Later I had 16 MHz and 16 MB RAM. That machine sits on the floor about 2
> feet from where I am now.

RAM?? you had RAM? Luuuxury. 

Why we had to scratch the bits onto pieces of paper we peeled up from the floor 
of the butchers shop and wrote on with our own blood! Three graphics artists 
would die every time we did a layer mask!

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Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?/ RICH Text

[Wallace Adrian D'Alessio]

On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 11:56 AM, Dennis Myhand wrote:

> Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> I can understand that in an office drone paper shuffler who is on the IT
>> lockout track.
>>
>> But media types of all persuasions who enter small or freelance operations
>> and ignore the need of CPU and network system practices will be a burden to
>> their bosses and may not last long.
>> Production deadlines for customers leave no time for rookie mistakes.
>>
>>
>
> Rare is the child in high school who thinks that far
> ahead.


But I still often hear of the generations raised on computers. I guess that
does not mean much. Playing games and sneaking porn does not teach you how
to handle system resources when the computers you have used have always had
enough RAM, HD space, and apps to get it done and Mom and Dad patronizingly
pay to have the mistakes fixed.

Give  'em a 7 MHz processor and 1 MB RAM and see what they can do !

And no I am not kidding.

My first layered composite image process was done on a machine of that spec.
Later I had 16 MHz and 16 MB RAM. That machine sits on the floor about 2
feet from where I am now.

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Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete? ? 4GB on G4

[Wallace Adrian D'Alessio]

On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 3:57 PM, JoeTaxpayer wrote:

> I don't shout anything just because I can't do it.
> As many are interested as I am about how/if one can run 4GB RAM on
> this machine.
> There was nothing magical about 2GB, 2^32=4G so, it passes the first
> logical test. 2 to 4 is not the same jump as 4 to anything higher.
>
> I'd like to see the exact details how to do this if anyone has it
> running.
> _


Keep breathing fully until that happens.

Not saying it will not. Just have reservations. These machines had design
limits. As all do.






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Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?/ RICH Text

[Dennis Myhand]

John Callahan wrote:





I have tried to teach that very class for the last 7 years.  Most of 
my students could not care less about what I am talking about.

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Why not start an internet course for a small fee> I would be interested.
John Callahan


Flukestringer did not post this.  I posted it.  It got attributed to him 
through someone miss editing e-mails and was most likely done solely by 
accident.  The reason I do not even think about teaching this as an 
internet class is because:


A.  The information is already out there.  If you want to know how to do 
paths to files and directories, there are any number of websites which 
will tell you how to set up a directory hierarchy.  Here is one that I 
have used in my web design classes:


http://tools.devshed.com/c/a/Website-Content/Designing-Your-Websites-Directory-Structure/

B.  I have no desire to be burdened with the tax liability for something 
like this.


C.  Every computer will differ regarding resources and cpu abilities and 
I have NO desire to take God knows how many people by the hand and 
explain their capabilities to them.  I am sorry.  My heart just is not 
in it.


Anywho.  I just wanted to let you know that the OP was me and not 
Wallace.  Peace, Dennis


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Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?

[Len Gerstel]

On Jun 14, 2010, at 4:21 PM, ah...clem wrote:


On Jun 14, 2:24 pm, Len Gerstel  wrote:


Problem is that registered sticks are keyed differently than regular
SD ram stick and will not fit in the slot. Even if you physically
modify the slot, the contacts will not line up. So they can not work
in a Mac.

Len


also found RAM pulled from a Dell PowerEdge 2500 Server on ebay, and
it IS ECC and registered

2GB 2x 1GB PC133 Dell Poweredge 2500 2550 Memory RAM

http://cgi.ebay.com/2GB-2x-1GB-PC133-Dell-Poweredge-2500-2550- 
Memory-RAM-/300431955290? 
cmd=ViewItem&pt=COMP_EN_Networking_Components&hash=item45f323d55a#ht_2 
428wt_808


so if Mark actually used RAM pulled from a DPE2500, that would be the
reason he had/has so many glitches. ;O)


Not to mention the destruction of the memory slots by forcing in  
memory that will not fit.


Len

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Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?

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On Jun 14, 2:24 pm, Len Gerstel  wrote:

> Problem is that registered sticks are keyed differently than regular  
> SD ram stick and will not fit in the slot. Even if you physically  
> modify the slot, the contacts will not line up. So they can not work  
> in a Mac.
>
> Len

also found RAM pulled from a Dell PowerEdge 2500 Server on ebay, and
it IS ECC and registered

2GB 2x 1GB PC133 Dell Poweredge 2500 2550 Memory RAM

http://cgi.ebay.com/2GB-2x-1GB-PC133-Dell-Poweredge-2500-2550-Memory-RAM-/300431955290?cmd=ViewItem&pt=COMP_EN_Networking_Components&hash=item45f323d55a#ht_2428wt_808

so if Mark actually used RAM pulled from a DPE2500, that would be the
reason he had/has so many glitches. ;O)

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Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?

[Len Gerstel]

On Jun 14, 2010, at 3:24 PM, ah...clem wrote:


On Jun 14, 2:24 pm, Len Gerstel  wrote:


. . . how and where
to get a hold of some of these 1GB PC133 sticks without trolling
dumpsters for old Dell servers?


Easily and cheaply found on eBay. I just sold 8 1GB sticks for $30
shipped.

Problem is that registered sticks are keyed differently than regular
SD ram stick and will not fit in the slot. Even if you physically
modify the slot, the contacts will not line up. So they can not work
in a Mac.

Len


hmm  i never think of ebay anymore, because i've been burned once
too many times, but . . .

1GB PC133 SDRAM APPLE or DESKTOPs Non ECC UnBuff 168Pin

http://cgi.ebay.com/1GB-PC133-SDRAM-APPLE-DESKTOPs-Non-ECC- 
UnBuff-168Pin-/370394025373? 
cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item563d344d9d#ht_2411wt_737


Well, they offer a full refund if for any reason you are unhappy.

From the item description:

THIS WILL WORK IN ANY & ALL DESKTOP COMPUTER THAT CAN USE 1GB PER  
SLOT.

ASK ME IF YOU'RE UNSURE


Present discussion excepted, no one I know has ever gotten a 1GB  
stick to work in a Mac with PC133 ram.


They also say:


SPECS AT A GLANCE:
PC133 SDRAM / 168 Pin / Non ECC - UnBuffered / LOW DENSITY
GUARANTEED TO WORK IN ANY AND ALL PC133 & PC100 DESKTOP COMPUTER  
THAT CAN USE 512MB PER SLOT.



Why are they mentioning 512MB per slot?

My personal opinion is that if anyone had gotten these to work in out  
Macs to get past the 1.5 or 2gb limit, it would be all over the net  
and these lists.


Go for it and report the results back to the list. Just test it by  
itself and also with the other slots filled with 512MB sticks to see  
if you can break the 1.5 or 2gb limit.


Len

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Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?

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On Jun 14, 2:24 pm, Len Gerstel  wrote:

> > . . . how and where
> > to get a hold of some of these 1GB PC133 sticks without trolling
> > dumpsters for old Dell servers?
>
> Easily and cheaply found on eBay. I just sold 8 1GB sticks for $30  
> shipped.
>
> Problem is that registered sticks are keyed differently than regular  
> SD ram stick and will not fit in the slot. Even if you physically  
> modify the slot, the contacts will not line up. So they can not work  
> in a Mac.
>
> Len

hmm  i never think of ebay anymore, because i've been burned once
too many times, but . . .

1GB PC133 SDRAM APPLE or DESKTOPs Non ECC UnBuff 168Pin

http://cgi.ebay.com/1GB-PC133-SDRAM-APPLE-DESKTOPs-Non-ECC-UnBuff-168Pin-/370394025373?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item563d344d9d#ht_2411wt_737

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Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?

[Len Gerstel]

On Jun 14, 2010, at 2:15 PM, ah...clem wrote:


On Jun 10, 4:17 am, Kris Tilford  wrote:


I'm not certain if this article will enable 4GB RAM for you, but I
suspect it will, if this is possible? Instead of reducing the memory,
as the title of this article references, you'd be increasing it  
instead:




Note about RAM module sizes.
Sizes are in hex:
1000 = 256mb
2000 = 512mb
4000 = 1gb
... and so forth.


i had never heard of PC133 sticks larger than 512MB, and THAT would be
the insurmountable roadblock to shoe-horning  4GB of RAM into a
sawtooth, 'cuz there's still only four RAM slots.  BUT, searching the
Dell site, i find that there was indeed a PowerEdge 2500 server, and
it did in fact use 1GB PC133 memory sticks!!!

.

". . . upgradable to a maximum of 4 GB by installing combinations of
64-, 128-, 256-, 512-MB, or 1-GB registered PC-133 SDRAM memory module
pairs in the six memory module sockets on the system board."

this is big news to me, because as Kris points out in the link above,
it is possible to modify the NVRAM to allow the computer to address
4GB of memory.  now the real relevant question becomes, how and where
to get a hold of some of these 1GB PC133 sticks without trolling
dumpsters for old Dell servers?


Easily and cheaply found on eBay. I just sold 8 1GB sticks for $30  
shipped.


Problem is that registered sticks are keyed differently than regular  
SD ram stick and will not fit in the slot. Even if you physically  
modify the slot, the contacts will not line up. So they can not work  
in a Mac.


Len

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Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?

[ah...clem]

On Jun 10, 4:17 am, Kris Tilford  wrote:

> I'm not certain if this article will enable 4GB RAM for you, but I  
> suspect it will, if this is possible? Instead of reducing the memory,  
> as the title of this article references, you'd be increasing it instead:
>
> 
>
> Note about RAM module sizes.
> Sizes are in hex:
> 1000 = 256mb
> 2000 = 512mb
> 4000 = 1gb
> ... and so forth.

i had never heard of PC133 sticks larger than 512MB, and THAT would be
the insurmountable roadblock to shoe-horning  4GB of RAM into a
sawtooth, 'cuz there's still only four RAM slots.  BUT, searching the
Dell site, i find that there was indeed a PowerEdge 2500 server, and
it did in fact use 1GB PC133 memory sticks!!!

.

". . . upgradable to a maximum of 4 GB by installing combinations of
64-, 128-, 256-, 512-MB, or 1-GB registered PC-133 SDRAM memory module
pairs in the six memory module sockets on the system board."

this is big news to me, because as Kris points out in the link above,
it is possible to modify the NVRAM to allow the computer to address
4GB of memory.  now the real relevant question becomes, how and where
to get a hold of some of these 1GB PC133 sticks without trolling
dumpsters for old Dell servers?  i've checked Tigerdirect and PCmall,
and can find no sign of the mythical beasts.  if they exist, i see no
reason why we couldn't all double the RAM capacity of all G4s or maybe
even quadruple the RAM capacity of a B&W!

THAT seems like a topic worth exploring to me!  i would love it if
someone could add something constructive to this thread, like where to
get a hold of some 1GB PC133 sticks, rather than relentlessly trashing
the original poster.

oh, and one last comment - THANK YOU, MARK, FOR YOUR ORIGINAL POST.

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Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?

[Mark Sokolovsky]

Okay. I will have the video posted on youtube in a while. In the
meantime I have to resolve issues with Jaguar not working properly and
to re-install Mac OS X SL on Q because i did not back up my info. What
a bummer. I will get it running soon. I can handle the problem with SL
on a Q emulator, i just need help with jaguar not booting up. I have
tried this on Tiger, and it isn't fast enough.

On 6/14/10, Dan  wrote:
> At 4:07 AM -0700 6/14/2010, Justin The Cynical wrote:
>>On 6/13/10 6:42 PM, Albert Carter wrote:
>>>Since you are going to re-do the video to prove this I have one
>>>further suggestion. Do this as one complete video, do not segment
>>>it and do not turn off or pause the video camera. This will lead to
>>>further validate your proof.
>>
>>Oooo, good point, didn't think of that one.
>
> WRT segmenting...  When you have the video ready, let us know - we
> can work out some hosting for the full thing.  That way you don't
> have to play split games etc.
>
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Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?/ RICH Text

[John Callahan]

I think he meant "aridity".
On Jun 14, 2010, at 12:00 AM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:


irridity


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Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?/ RICH Text

[John Callahan]

On Jun 13, 2010, at 11:45 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:




On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 9:24 PM, Dennis Myhand  
 wrote:

Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:

Why there is not a basic computer practices class I do not understand.




I have tried to teach that very class for the last 7 years.  Most  
of my students could not care less about what I am talking about.

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Why not start an internet course for a small fee> I would be interested.
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Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete? ? 4GB on G4

[JoeTaxpayer]

I don't shout anything just because I can't do it.
As many are interested as I am about how/if one can run 4GB RAM on
this machine.
There was nothing magical about 2GB, 2^32=4G so, it passes the first
logical test. 2 to 4 is not the same jump as 4 to anything higher.

I'd like to see the exact details how to do this if anyone has it
running.

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Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?

[Dan]

At 4:07 AM -0700 6/14/2010, Justin The Cynical wrote:

On 6/13/10 6:42 PM, Albert Carter wrote:
Since you are going to re-do the video to prove this I have one 
further suggestion. Do this as one complete video, do not segment 
it and do not turn off or pause the video camera. This will lead to 
further validate your proof.


Oooo, good point, didn't think of that one.


WRT segmenting...  When you have the video ready, let us know - we 
can work out some hosting for the full thing.  That way you don't 
have to play split games etc.


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Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?/ RICH Text

[iJohn]

On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 2:08 AM, Dan  wrote:
> You are a fluke of the universe.
> You have no right to be here.
> And whether you can hear it or not,
> The universe is laughing behind your back.

For some reason the part that always stuck in my mind was

"Take heart in the deepening gloom
that your dog is finally getting enough cheese.
And reflect that whatever misfortune may be your lot,
it could only be worse in Milwaukee."

But then again, I grew up in Oconomowoc so Milwaukee was not just a name to me.

For those who might not have caught the reference ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deteriorata

-irrational john

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Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?

[Mark Sokolovsky]

I will re do the cideo, but because of the 4GB of RAM change, the Jaguar
system constantly tells me to restart the system over and over again. I
tried reverting back to 2GB of RAM, and still, it tells me to restart. i
don't know what is going on. Any suggestions?


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Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?/ RICH Text

[Dennis Myhand]

Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:



I can understand that in an office drone paper shuffler who is on the IT 
lockout track.


But media types of all persuasions who enter small or freelance 
operations and ignore the need of CPU and network system practices will 
be a burden to their bosses and may not last long.

Production deadlines for customers leave no time for rookie mistakes.
 


Rare is the child in high school who thinks that far ahead.

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Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?/ RICH Text

[Dennis Myhand]

Dan wrote:

At 9:01 PM + 6/13/2010, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:


Why there is not a basic computer practices class I do not understand.


Be comforted, that in the face of all irridity and disillusionment, and 
despite the changing fortunes of time, there is always a big future in 
computer maintenance.


- Dan.


And we all know what the chorus and the last line of the deteriorata is.

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Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?

[Justin The Cynical]

On 6/13/10 6:42 PM, Albert Carter wrote:
> Mark,
> 
> Since you are going to re-do the video to prove this I have one further 
> suggestion. Do this as one complete video, do not segment it and do not turn 
> off or pause the video camera. This will lead to further validate your proof.
> 
> Albert

Oooo, good point, didn't think of that one.

This could be interesting to watch.

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Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?/ RICH Text

[Wallace Adrian D'Alessio]

On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 6:33 AM, James Therrault wrote:

>
> On Jun 14, 2010, at 1:08 AM, Dan wrote:
>
>  At 4:00 AM + 6/14/2010, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 3:43 AM, Dan <
>>> dantear...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> At 9:01 PM + 6/13/2010, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Why there is not a basic computer practices class I do not understand.
>>>
>>>
>>> Be comforted, that in the face of all irridity and disillusionment, and
>>> despite the changing fortunes of time, there is always a big future in
>>> computer maintenance.
>>>
>>> __
>>>
>>>
>>> irridity ? ?
>>>
>>> 9 online dictionaries including the Oxford compact, and my trusty print
>>> Webster's Collegiate finds nothing for that one.
>>> I think it may mean stanziphramis. I tried to figure out the possible
>>> typos also. nada
>>>
>>
>> Yes, beat the typo to death.   aridity.
>>
>>
>> You are a fluke of the universe.
>> You have no right to be here.
>> And whether you can hear it or not,
>> The universe is laughing behind your back.
>>
>
>
>
> Wow!  Now I understand the meaning of life...
>
> JT
>
>
Definitely the irridity


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Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?/ RICH Text

[Wallace Adrian D'Alessio]

On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 7:50 AM, Ted Treen  wrote:

>
>
>  ___
>>
>
>
>
> You're right in what you say, but at least here in the UK, stereotypes - at
> least in the bosses' eyes - still rule.
>
> I was a techie/systems programmer back in the seventies/early eighties, in
> the days of wood-burning, steam-powered computers. I switched allegiance to
> Macs in the mid eighties, and have remained a Mac techie ever since. As a
> frustrated artist, and keen photographer, I found the whole Mac experience
> tremendous, so I became a user as well, rather than a pure techie. I am
> still, despite having just turned 60, a graphic designer in a large company
> which is very Windows orientated (despite most of IT dep't having a Mac at
> home).
>
> IT leave it to me to look after our small establishment of 5 Macs, which is
> no great hassle, and I still enjoy stretching CS5 (just received) and CS3 to
> the limit;- well, it's more a case of exploring all of it's capabilities,
> rather than stretching them.
>
> But people still seem amazed to find a designer who knows, understands &
> loves Macs - or from the other point of viw, a techie who knows, understands
> & loves design, typography &c.
>
> Seems they've got it fixed in their heads you can be one or the other, bit
> not both.
>
> Best to all,
>
> Ted
>
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>
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another building with the print " Newsies". ( The Taylor Hall you see in all
of the newsreels of the slaughter).

But an old hall has been refurbished and modernized. Macs rule there ( PCs
in minor roles) in all media classes now. and in Student and PBS broadcast
and web operations as well which are linked there too.

Give me Macs and Adobe software along with FCP and Logic and I can just
work. Very little IT aid needed. Only when student wear and mostly tear do a
machine harm. Some raised on PCs take their frustrations out on Macs. That
is why the expensive ones are in locked, limited access labs and classrooms
and iMacs are provided for less intense " Newsie " activities. 25 Mac Pros
fully stocked with software in a cool well lit classroom are awesome to
behold. PCs are mostly in the TV studios where the expensive control
software is PC only. But big Macs do the digital recording and other
broadcast linking tasks.



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Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?/ RICH Text

[Ted Treen]

From: Wallace Adrian D'Alessio 
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, 14 June, 2010 4:45:38
Subject: Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?/ RICH Text




On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 9:24 PM, Dennis Myhand  wrote:

>
>Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:
>
>
>>>>Why there is not a basic computer practices class I do not understand.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>I have tried to teach that very class for the last 7 years.  Most of my 
>students could not care less about what I am talking about.  They are there to 
>fulfill the state requirements for a technology class and once they achieve 
>that, they have no idea what you have talked about, because they have already 
>forgotten it.  In 7 years of teaching I have had 4 students say they have used 
>something I taught them in a college class they had later in life.  The vast 
>majority of my students are convinced that they already know all there is to 
>know about using a computer and they have no intention of learning more.  
>Rarely do I get a student who is actually wanting to learn.  Most of the time 
>I get the student who tells me there is no way Ohm's Law will work.  Peace, 
>Dennis
>>___
>

I can understand that in an office drone paper shuffler who is on the IT 
lockout track.

But media types of all persuasions who enter small or freelance operations and 
ignore the need of CPU and network system practices will be a burden to their 
bosses and may not last long.
Production deadlines for customers leave no time for rookie mistakes.
 
-- 
Adrian D'Alessio aka; Fluxstringer


You're right in what you say, but at least here in the UK, stereotypes - at 
least in the bosses' eyes - still rule.

I was a techie/systems programmer back in the seventies/early eighties, in the 
days of wood-burning, steam-powered computers. I switched allegiance to Macs in 
the mid eighties, and have remained a Mac techie ever since. As a frustrated 
artist, and keen photographer, I found the whole Mac experience tremendous, so 
I became a user as well, rather than a pure techie. I am still, despite having 
just turned 60, a graphic designer in a large company which is very Windows 
orientated (despite most of IT dep't having a Mac at home). 

IT leave it to me to look after our small establishment of 5 Macs, which is no 
great hassle, and I still enjoy stretching CS5 (just received) and CS3 to the 
limit;- well, it's more a case of exploring all of it's capabilities, rather 
than stretching them.

But people still seem amazed to find a designer who knows, understands & loves 
Macs - or from the other point of viw, a techie who knows, understands & loves 
design, typography &c.

Seems they've got it fixed in their heads you can be one or the other, bit not 
both.

Best to all,

Ted

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Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?/ RICH Text

[James Therrault]

On Jun 14, 2010, at 1:08 AM, Dan wrote:


At 4:00 AM + 6/14/2010, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 3:43 AM, Dan  
<dantear...@gmail.com> wrote:


At 9:01 PM + 6/13/2010, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:


Why there is not a basic computer practices class I do not  
understand.



Be comforted, that in the face of all irridity and  
disillusionment, and despite the changing fortunes of time, there  
is always a big future in computer maintenance.


__


irridity ? ?

9 online dictionaries including the Oxford compact, and my trusty  
print Webster's Collegiate finds nothing for that one.
I think it may mean stanziphramis. I tried to figure out the  
possible typos also. nada


Yes, beat the typo to death.   aridity.


You are a fluke of the universe.
You have no right to be here.
And whether you can hear it or not,
The universe is laughing behind your back.




Wow!  Now I understand the meaning of life...

JT





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Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?/ RICH Text

[Dan]

At 4:00 AM + 6/14/2010, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 3:43 AM, Dan 
<dantear...@gmail.com> wrote:


At 9:01 PM + 6/13/2010, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:


Why there is not a basic computer practices class I do not understand.


Be comforted, that in the face of all irridity and disillusionment, 
and despite the changing fortunes of time, there is always a big 
future in computer maintenance.


__


irridity ? ?

9 online dictionaries including the Oxford compact, and my trusty 
print Webster's Collegiate finds nothing for that one.
I think it may mean stanziphramis. I tried to figure out the 
possible typos also. nada


Yes, beat the typo to death.   aridity.


You are a fluke of the universe.
You have no right to be here.
And whether you can hear it or not,
The universe is laughing behind your back.

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Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?/ RICH Text

[Wallace Adrian D'Alessio]

On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 3:43 AM, Dan  wrote:

> At 9:01 PM + 6/13/2010, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:
>
>>
>> Why there is not a basic computer practices class I do not understand.
>>
>
> Be comforted, that in the face of all irridity and disillusionment, and
> despite the changing fortunes of time, there is always a big future in
> computer maintenance.

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irridity ? ?

9 online dictionaries including the Oxford compact, and my trusty print
Webster's Collegiate finds nothing for that one.
I think it may mean stanziphramis. I tried to figure out the possible typos
also. nada





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Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?/ RICH Text

[Wallace Adrian D'Alessio]

On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 9:24 PM, Dennis Myhand wrote:

> Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:
>
>>
>> Why there is not a basic computer practices class I do not understand.
>>
>>
>>
>>
> I have tried to teach that very class for the last 7 years.  Most of my
> students could not care less about what I am talking about.  They are there
> to fulfill the state requirements for a technology class and once they
> achieve that, they have no idea what you have talked about, because they
> have already forgotten it.  In 7 years of teaching I have had 4 students say
> they have used something I taught them in a college class they had later in
> life.  The vast majority of my students are convinced that they already know
> all there is to know about using a computer and they have no intention of
> learning more.  Rarely do I get a student who is actually wanting to learn.
>  Most of the time I get the student who tells me there is no way Ohm's Law
> will work.  Peace, Dennis
> ___
>

I can understand that in an office drone paper shuffler who is on the IT
lockout track.

But media types of all persuasions who enter small or freelance operations
and ignore the need of CPU and network system practices will be a burden to
their bosses and may not last long.
Production deadlines for customers leave no time for rookie mistakes.


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Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?/ RICH Text

[Dan]

At 9:01 PM + 6/13/2010, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:


Why there is not a basic computer practices class I do not understand.


Be comforted, that in the face of all irridity and disillusionment, 
and despite the changing fortunes of time, there is always a big 
future in computer maintenance.


- Dan.
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Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?

[Albert Carter]

Mark,

    Since you are going to re-do the video to prove this I have one further 
suggestion. Do this as one complete video, do not segment it and do not turn 
off or pause the video camera. This will lead to further validate your proof.

Albert





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Sent: Sun, June 13, 2010 8:49:24 PM
Subject: Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?

Well why didn't I think of that earlier? I'll have the video posted on July 9, 
2010, because I am going on vacation. I will be back to post the video.
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Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?

[Mark Sokolovsky]

Well why didn't I think of that earlier? I'll have the video posted on July
9, 2010, because I am going on vacation. I will be back to post the video.
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Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?

[John Carmonne]

On Jun 13, 2010, at 4:41 PM, iJohn wrote:

> On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 6:43 PM, Justin The Cynical
>  wrote:
>> 
>> The problem is that your evidence is something that is easily faked, and
>> you claiming to have done something that shouldn't be possible.
>> 
> 
> Finally a more rational, even tempered response. Thank you!
> 
> My attitude is pretty much the same. I have no idea what Mark has done
> one way or the other nor do I really care all that much either. But
> what he is claiming doesn't jive with my personal experience and
> education. So I remain unconvinced.
> 
> To use an analogy that someone will no doubt immediately punch holes
> in, it's as though Mark was claiming he'd taken a used GM gas engine
> car and by modifying only the code in the engine's computer it now
> runs on diesel and gets 4 to 5 times the original mileage.
> 
> It seems improbable. BWTHDIK? Oh, well.

I just want to send my Buick logic board in to get in running in 4GB Ram:-)

John Carmonne
Yorba Linda USA
Sent from my MBP






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Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?

[iJohn]

On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 6:43 PM, Justin The Cynical
 wrote:
>
> The problem is that your evidence is something that is easily faked, and
> you claiming to have done something that shouldn't be possible.
>

Finally a more rational, even tempered response. Thank you!

My attitude is pretty much the same. I have no idea what Mark has done
one way or the other nor do I really care all that much either. But
what he is claiming doesn't jive with my personal experience and
education. So I remain unconvinced.

To use an analogy that someone will no doubt immediately punch holes
in, it's as though Mark was claiming he'd taken a used GM gas engine
car and by modifying only the code in the engine's computer it now
runs on diesel and gets 4 to 5 times the original mileage.

It seems improbable. BWTHDIK? Oh, well.

-irrational john

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Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?

[Justin The Cynical]

On 6/13/10 9:08 AM, Mark Sokolovsky wrote:
> Like I said, you don't have to believe me if you don't want to. If You don't
> believe, than good for you. Everyone's different. If you look at my evidence
> in the face and say that it's fake or a scam, well then, oh well. I really
> don't care. For those of you who know this is real, thank you for realizing
> what people like us can do.

The problem is that your evidence is something that is easily faked, and
you claiming to have done something that shouldn't be possible.

If you really want to prove this is legit, remake the video.

Start with a powered down machine and monitor, show the monitor cables
running to the sawtooth.

Power on the monitor first, then the Sawtooth.  Let the system boot into
10.2, show what system profiler shows for the memory and video subsystem.

Start up the emulator and 10.6 and again show what system profiler shows
for the memory and video subsystem.

If you did all this, it would be much harder to poke holes in your
alleged proof, if at all.

Be more detailed.  What are these open firmware commands you used?
Where did you get the firmware file from?  Is it an official apple or a
modified one?  What hardware is in the system?  Extra SATA cards?  What
about the video card?  And where did this 'virtual geforce card driver'
come from?

I'm not saying you are faking it, but what you have presented, as I
mentioned earlier, is easily faked by just about anyone, and your
replies so far sound like someone who got caught and can't explain their
way out of the corner they are in.

Oh yes, have better lighting as well.  Your originals were pretty dark. :-)

Frankly, I'm having a hard time believing this as well due to my own
experiences with emulation, but if you can provide proof that isn't
something that could be easily faked, you may have hit upon something
wild and amazing.  As I see it, until you do this, virtually no one is
going to believe you.

Or if someone can get me a sawtooth, I'd be glad to try and reproduce
this, I think it would be fun to try. ;-)

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Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?/ RICH Text

[Dennis Myhand]

Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:


Why there is not a basic computer practices class I do not understand.





I have tried to teach that very class for the last 7 years.  Most of my 
students could not care less about what I am talking about.  They are 
there to fulfill the state requirements for a technology class and once 
they achieve that, they have no idea what you have talked about, because 
they have already forgotten it.  In 7 years of teaching I have had 4 
students say they have used something I taught them in a college class 
they had later in life.  The vast majority of my students are convinced 
that they already know all there is to know about using a computer and 
they have no intention of learning more.  Rarely do I get a student who 
is actually wanting to learn.  Most of the time I get the student who 
tells me there is no way Ohm's Law will work.  Peace, Dennis


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Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?/ RICH Text

[Wallace Adrian D'Alessio]

On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 8:38 PM, Dennis Myhand wrote:

> Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 7:52 PM, Bruce Johnson
>>
>  > You don't do computer support for ~600 faculty, staff and students,
>
>>in addition to the myriad mailing lists I'm on.
>>
>>You would not believe what some folks consider acceptable for
>>'professional' email correspondence. People do things like pick
>>ornate script fonts at 8 points on floral backgrounds to send
>>official email, and embed page-wide  animated gifs' of stupid little
>>smiley blobs doing the wave in their .sig
>>
>>
>>
>>So you see it in everydamnemail you get from them.
>>
>>
>> So faculty puts this in their requests for IT service? Jeez !
>>
>> I will ask the JMC IT guy if he get's these.  I would question the
>> credentials of an instructor or prof who used hokeyness in academic
>> communication. I have not seen it in messages from faculty here. But then I
>> would expect Journalism and mass communications faculty to know better.
>>
>>
>
> You have no idea what a faculty IT person sees each day!  How about someone
> who can't print, because their printer is turned off!  The head of an
> English department who uses the above described e-mails and wonders why no
> one responds (They can't read most of what is there because the font color
> blends in with the background), and there fore sends out more and more
> e-mails, and then complains that her e-mail is not going out.  But lack of
> computer skills is not the only place where higher ed faculties shine.  How
> about an English department head who cannot spell?  The lack of computer
> skills are not so hard to deal with, when you comsider what you could be
> having to deal with.  Peace, Dennis



As a student system user who did not start with computers until 1993 it
astounds me that my fellow students who grew up with computers in the class
room often have little idea about disk capabilities, capacities, cpu system
resources, and the cross platform basics of computers.

For me the machines at the university are so powerful I only notice a
problem if it is pronounced. Like the time i got on a mac pro to do a quick
Mp3 conversion and a dual CPU was dragging in Audacity for a very simple
task. I looked down and about every heavy Adobe and MS app was open and with
files loaded!

Such is life in a shared lab environment in a media department. You should
see the number of files left on the desktops!

Students who should already have good computer practices then wonder why
their files get passed around, stolen,and worst case, deleted. Even though
they are repeatedly told to store them on the server etc. The university
bought a humongous  RAID  for the NLE lab in addition to huge
building/department system storage space and they still leave files out in
public and cry when their time consuming precious work is gone.

Why there is not a basic computer practices class I do not understand.



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Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?/ RICH Text

[Dennis Myhand]

Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:



On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 7:52 PM, Bruce Johnson 

 > You don't do computer support for ~600 faculty, staff and students,

in addition to the myriad mailing lists I'm on.

You would not believe what some folks consider acceptable for
'professional' email correspondence. People do things like pick
ornate script fonts at 8 points on floral backgrounds to send
official email, and embed page-wide  animated gifs' of stupid little
smiley blobs doing the wave in their .sig



So you see it in everydamnemail you get from them.


So faculty puts this in their requests for IT service? Jeez !

I will ask the JMC IT guy if he get's these.  I would question the 
credentials of an instructor or prof who used hokeyness in academic 
communication. I have not seen it in messages from faculty here. But 
then I would expect Journalism and mass communications faculty to know 
better.





You have no idea what a faculty IT person sees each day!  How about 
someone who can't print, because their printer is turned off!  The head 
of an English department who uses the above described e-mails and 
wonders why no one responds (They can't read most of what is there 
because the font color blends in with the background), and there fore 
sends out more and more e-mails, and then complains that her e-mail is 
not going out.  But lack of computer skills is not the only place where 
higher ed faculties shine.  How about an English department head who 
cannot spell?  The lack of computer skills are not so hard to deal with, 
when you comsider what you could be having to deal with.  Peace, Dennis


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Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?/ RICH Text

[Wallace Adrian D'Alessio]

On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 8:15 PM, John Carmonne  wrote:

>
>  Can it Wally.
>
> John Carmonne
> Yorba Linda USA
> From Earl Cube 1.2 GHz


Johns always have a "canny" ability to perceive feculence. It's is the very
reason for their existence.! ;)


And shamefully this thread has again attracted those who would drag it to
the gutter.

What is it with you John?
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Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?/ RICH Text

[Wallace Adrian D'Alessio]

On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 7:10 PM, Mark Sokolovsky wrote:

>  On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 5:26 PM, Chance Reecher <>> cha...@reecher.net>cha...@reecher.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hmm, the amazing discovery you made back in April, and so stupidly told
>>> the group about?
>>>
>>> Copy-Pasted from your "modify the about this mac box" message:
>>>
>>> "Well, the reason why this is "supposedly" running Snow leopard on a PPC
>>> mac, is because i hacked one of the .strings files that display that system
>>> information. I actually have Leopard on it, but since Leopard and Snow
>>> Leopard's GUI on the desktop don't look too different, I waned to surprise
>>> people on how I did this."
>>>
>>> You admitted yourself that you just made Leopard look like SL.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 1:03 PM, Mark Sokolovsky <>> coolmar...@gmail.com>coolmar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Heh. Really, it's not worth it now. people like you ruined my amazing
>>> discovery.
>>>
>>> --
>>> • Sent from my Power mac G4 Sawtooth.
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> __
>>>
>>>
>>>  List rules or no, after a decade it is nice to see rich text used on LEM
>>> to effectively communicate. Notice how the color bars pop out the relevant
>>> words and emphasize the salient points.
>>>
>>> After all of those times I forgot to switch to plain text and got flak
>>> from the plain text trogs I am glad I had rich text switched on to witness
>>> this historic LEM event.
>>>
>>>
> The part where it says the reason why snow leopard is supposedly running
> this machine... I did not ever write that. i consider it supposedly, because
> it's running as a guest PC on an emulator inside Mac OS X Jaguar. Don't ever
> write lies about me that i did not make.
> --
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>
> Wrong thread Mark.

This one is clearly labeled as a spin-off thread about rich text used for
communication.


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Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?/ RICH Text

[John Carmonne]

On Jun 13, 2010, at 1:05 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:




On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 7:52 PM, Bruce Johnson  
 wrote:

On Jun 13, 2010, at 12:18 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:

> I hardly ever see any of that . Probably because my friends are more
> knowledgeable. Those who sent the garish ones year ago,  
the "
> circuit letters"  have been warned off. But if it is a truly  
personal

> message rather than prefab I do not object.

You don't do computer support for ~600 faculty, staff and students,  
in addition to the myriad mailing lists I'm on.


You would not believe what some folks consider acceptable for  
'professional' email correspondence. People do things like pick  
ornate script fonts at 8 points on floral backgrounds to send  
official email, and embed page-wide  animated gifs' of stupid  
little smiley blobs doing the wave in their .sig




So you see it in everydamnemail you get from them.


So faculty puts this in their requests for IT service? Jeez !

I will ask the JMC IT guy if he get's these.  I would question the  
credentials of an instructor or prof who used hokeyness in academic  
communication. I have not seen it in messages from faculty here.  
But then I would expect Journalism and mass communications faculty  
to know better.


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Can it Wally.

John Carmonne
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Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?/ RICH Text

[Mark Sokolovsky]

>
> On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 5:26 PM, Chance Reecher <> cha...@reecher.net>cha...@reecher.net> wrote:
>>
>> Hmm, the amazing discovery you made back in April, and so stupidly told
>> the group about?
>>
>> Copy-Pasted from your "modify the about this mac box" message:
>>
>> "Well, the reason why this is "supposedly" running Snow leopard on a PPC
>> mac, is because i hacked one of the .strings files that display that system
>> information. I actually have Leopard on it, but since Leopard and Snow
>> Leopard's GUI on the desktop don't look too different, I waned to surprise
>> people on how I did this."
>>
>> You admitted yourself that you just made Leopard look like SL.
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 1:03 PM, Mark Sokolovsky <> coolmar...@gmail.com>coolmar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Heh. Really, it's not worth it now. people like you ruined my amazing
>> discovery.
>>
>> --
>> • Sent from my Power mac G4 Sawtooth.
>>
>> --
>>
>> __
>>
>>
>> List rules or no, after a decade it is nice to see rich text used on LEM
>> to effectively communicate. Notice how the color bars pop out the relevant
>> words and emphasize the salient points.
>>
>> After all of those times I forgot to switch to plain text and got flak
>> from the plain text trogs I am glad I had rich text switched on to witness
>> this historic LEM event.
>>
>>
The part where it says the reason why snow leopard is supposedly running
this machine... I did not ever write that. i consider it supposedly, because
it's running as a guest PC on an emulator inside Mac OS X Jaguar. Don't ever
write lies about me that i did not make.
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Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?/ RICH Text

[Wallace Adrian D'Alessio]

On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 7:52 PM, Bruce Johnson  wrote:

> On Jun 13, 2010, at 12:18 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:
>
> > I hardly ever see any of that . Probably because my friends are more
> > knowledgeable. Those who sent the garish ones year ago, the "
> > circuit letters"  have been warned off. But if it is a truly personal
> > message rather than prefab I do not object.
>
> You don't do computer support for ~600 faculty, staff and students, in
> addition to the myriad mailing lists I'm on.
>
> You would not believe what some folks consider acceptable for
> 'professional' email correspondence. People do things like pick ornate
> script fonts at 8 points on floral backgrounds to send official email, and
> embed page-wide  animated gifs' of stupid little smiley blobs doing the wave
> in their .sig
>
> 
>
> So you see it in everydamnemail you get from them.
>
>
So faculty puts this in their requests for IT service? Jeez !

I will ask the JMC IT guy if he get's these.  I would question the
credentials of an instructor or prof who used hokeyness in academic
communication. I have not seen it in messages from faculty here. But then I
would expect Journalism and mass communications faculty to know better.

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Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?/ RICH Text

[Bruce Johnson]

On Jun 13, 2010, at 12:18 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:

> I hardly ever see any of that . Probably because my friends are more
> knowledgeable. Those who sent the garish ones year ago, the "
> circuit letters"  have been warned off. But if it is a truly personal
> message rather than prefab I do not object.

You don't do computer support for ~600 faculty, staff and students, in addition 
to the myriad mailing lists I'm on. 

You would not believe what some folks consider acceptable for 'professional' 
email correspondence. People do things like pick ornate script fonts at 8 
points on floral backgrounds to send official email, and embed page-wide  
animated gifs' of stupid little smiley blobs doing the wave in their .sig 



So you see it in everydamnemail you get from them.

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Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?/ RICH Text

[Wallace Adrian D'Alessio]

On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 6:37 PM, Illirik Smirnov  wrote:

> PPC as an architecture will never become obsolete. PPC computers will.
> Illirik Smirnov


That's the other thread dude.

But we get " *PowerPC* (short for *Performance Optimization With Enhanced RISC
– Performance Computing "
*


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Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?/ RICH Text

[Wallace Adrian D'Alessio]

On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 6:22 PM, Bruce Johnson  wrote:

>
> On Jun 13, 2010, at 10:38 AM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:
>
> >
> > List rules or no, after a decade it is nice to see rich text used on LEM
> to
> > effectively communicate. Notice how the color bars pop out the relevant
> > words and emphasize the salient points.
>
> No, I didn't notice it at all, since my mail client is set to show the
> plain text alternative, when possible.
>
> (Fortunately most mail clients also send the plain text in addition to the
> rich text.)
>
> I have to read way too much email every day to put up with the visual
> garbage that typically accompanies 'rich text' mail to warrant leaving it
> on.
>
> I've seen enough jumping smiley gifs, blink tags,  ornate backgrounds,
> alien color schemes, ransom note styling and incomprehensible 2-point font
> messages (thank you SO MUCH, MS Outlook!) to last a lifetime.
>
>
I hardly ever see any of that . Probably because my friends are more
knowledgeable. Those who sent the garish ones year ago, the "
circuit letters"  have been warned off. But if it is a truly personal
message rather than prefab I do not object.


> Heck I had enough after the first three such messages I got...bad
> flashbacks to the dawn of the Desktop Publishing age...
>
> NEVER assume that when you send out your carefully crafted rich text
> message, the recipient is seeing what you see, so make your *words*
> comprehensible...do not rely on styling alone.
>
> This has been a public service message from:
>
> The Organization of Cranky Old Sysadmins.
> Our Motto: 'Get off my LAN, you kids!'
>
>  :-)
>
>
If I could steal that Flash ad for Dish network where the astronaut floats
across the page to repair the satellite it would be on here.

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Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?/ RICH Text

[Illirik Smirnov]

PPC as an architecture will never become obsolete. PPC computers will.
Illirik Smirnov


On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Bruce Johnson  wrote:

>
> On Jun 13, 2010, at 10:38 AM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:
>
> >
> > List rules or no, after a decade it is nice to see rich text used on LEM
> to
> > effectively communicate. Notice how the color bars pop out the relevant
> > words and emphasize the salient points.
>
> No, I didn't notice it at all, since my mail client is set to show the
> plain text alternative, when possible.
>
> (Fortunately most mail clients also send the plain text in addition to the
> rich text.)
>
> I have to read way too much email every day to put up with the visual
> garbage that typically accompanies 'rich text' mail to warrant leaving it
> on.
>
> I've seen enough jumping smiley gifs, blink tags,  ornate backgrounds,
> alien color schemes, ransom note styling and incomprehensible 2-point font
> messages (thank you SO MUCH, MS Outlook!) to last a lifetime.
>
> Heck I had enough after the first three such messages I got...bad
> flashbacks to the dawn of the Desktop Publishing age...
>
> NEVER assume that when you send out your carefully crafted rich text
> message, the recipient is seeing what you see, so make your *words*
> comprehensible...do not rely on styling alone.
>
> This has been a public service message from:
>
> The Organization of Cranky Old Sysadmins.
> Our Motto: 'Get off my LAN, you kids!'
>
>  :-)
>
> --
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>
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Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?/ RICH Text

[Bruce Johnson]

On Jun 13, 2010, at 10:38 AM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:

> 
> List rules or no, after a decade it is nice to see rich text used on LEM to
> effectively communicate. Notice how the color bars pop out the relevant
> words and emphasize the salient points.

No, I didn't notice it at all, since my mail client is set to show the plain 
text alternative, when possible. 

(Fortunately most mail clients also send the plain text in addition to the rich 
text.)

I have to read way too much email every day to put up with the visual garbage 
that typically accompanies 'rich text' mail to warrant leaving it on. 

I've seen enough jumping smiley gifs, blink tags,  ornate backgrounds, alien 
color schemes, ransom note styling and incomprehensible 2-point font messages 
(thank you SO MUCH, MS Outlook!) to last a lifetime. 

Heck I had enough after the first three such messages I got...bad flashbacks to 
the dawn of the Desktop Publishing age...

NEVER assume that when you send out your carefully crafted rich text message, 
the recipient is seeing what you see, so make your *words* comprehensible...do 
not rely on styling alone.

This has been a public service message from:

The Organization of Cranky Old Sysadmins. 
Our Motto: 'Get off my LAN, you kids!'

 :-)

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Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?/ RICH Text

[Wallace Adrian D'Alessio]

WTF ? It was a complement !

I was being sincere.

Sorry if I didn't use emoticons or such but I never trust them much anyway.

Have we gotten so convoluted here that honesty is miscalculated?

No wonder there are so many misunderstandings here.

People these days don't understand the up front words of my generation. If
your color emphasis of the words "this" ( indicating a supposed Sawtooth
running $GB RAM and SL) and Mac (PPC Mac) was accidental then when composing
rich text your mail client has accomplished half the work for you.Saves
time.

Hyper?
Jeez, how sensitive are folks out there? Anything above low breathing is
hyper? I don't get it. My generation is very different.
To many teachers that some generations heard yelling to shut up the class
that were ignored anyway?  I get this stuff from my God daughter too. She
mumbles in the car which I can't hear over traffic and road noise and if I
talk loud enough for her to hear ( she has hearing problems)over the noise
in a minivan she asks why I am so hyper.

Communication requires a speaker and a listener. But as researchers found in
the early XXth century was that the figure - ground formation defining
visual perception also is in play in aural and written communication. In
other words like Harry Nihlson wrote
" people see what they want to see and hear what they want to hear"


Sad if people do not trust direct communication anymore.

Check out Nihlson's " The Point "

On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 5:45 PM, Chance Reecher  wrote:

> My apologies. The highlighting was totally unintentional. As you may
> know, when you search in Gmail, it highlights the search terms in
> messages. So when I copied and pasted from Mark's April email, the
> highlighting came too. I wasn't looking carefully and didn't correct
> it before sending. No need to get hyper about it.
>
> Chance
>
> On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio
>  wrote:
> >
> > __
> >
> >
> > List rules or no, after a decade it is nice to see rich text used on LEM
> to effectively communicate. Notice how the color bars pop out the relevant
> words and emphasize the salient points.
> >
> > After all of those times I forgot to switch to plain text and got flak
> from the plain text trogs I am glad I had rich text switched on to witness
> this historic LEM event.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > fluxstrin...@gmail.com
> >
> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/fluxstreamcommunication/
> > http://www.youtube.com/fluxstringer
> > http://www.facebook.com/FluxStringer
> > http://www.linkedin.com/in/fluxstreamcommunications
> > http://flux-influx.blogspot.com/
> > http://fluxdreams.designbinder.com/
> >
> >
> >
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Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?/ RICH Text

[Dan]

At 5:38 PM + 6/13/2010, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:
On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 5:26 PM, Chance Reecher 
<cha...@reecher.net> 
wrote:


Hmm, the amazing discovery you made back in 
April, and so stupidly told the group about?


Copy-Pasted from your "modify the about this mac box" message:

"Well, the reason why this is "supposedly" 
running Snow leopard on a PPC mac, is because i 
hacked one of the .strings files that display 
that system information. I actually have Leopard 
on it, but since Leopard and Snow Leopard's GUI 
on the desktop don't look too different, I waned 
to surprise people on how I did this."


You admitted yourself that you just made Leopard look like SL.

On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 1:03 PM, Mark Sokolovsky 
<coolmar...@gmail.com> 
wrote:


Heh. Really, it's not worth it now. people like 
you ruined my amazing discovery.


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__


List rules or no, after a decade it is nice to 
see rich text used on LEM to effectively 
communicate. Notice how the color bars pop out 
the relevant words and emphasize the salient 
points.


After all of those times I forgot to switch to 
plain text and got flak from the plain text 
trogs I am glad I had rich text switched on to 
witness this historic LEM event.


Yea, rich text makes everything look so good. 
Like the above - notice how you can tell who 
wrote what?


heh.

- Dan.
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Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?/ RICH Text

[Chance Reecher]

My apologies. The highlighting was totally unintentional. As you may
know, when you search in Gmail, it highlights the search terms in
messages. So when I copied and pasted from Mark's April email, the
highlighting came too. I wasn't looking carefully and didn't correct
it before sending. No need to get hyper about it.

Chance

On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio
 wrote:
>
> __
>
>
> List rules or no, after a decade it is nice to see rich text used on LEM to 
> effectively communicate. Notice how the color bars pop out the relevant words 
> and emphasize the salient points.
>
> After all of those times I forgot to switch to plain text and got flak from 
> the plain text trogs I am glad I had rich text switched on to witness this 
> historic LEM event.
>
>
>
>
>
> fluxstrin...@gmail.com
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/fluxstreamcommunication/
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>
>
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Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?/ RICH Text

[Wallace Adrian D'Alessio]

On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 5:26 PM, Chance Reecher  wrote:

> Hmm, the amazing discovery you made back in April, and so stupidly told the
> group about?
>
> Copy-Pasted from your "modify the about this mac box" message:
>
> "Well, the reason why this is "supposedly" running Snow leopard on a PPC
> mac, is because i hacked one of the .strings files that display that
> system information. I actually have Leopard on it, but since Leopard and
> Snow Leopard's GUI on the desktop don't look too different, I waned to
> surprise people on how I did this."
>
> You admitted yourself that you just made Leopard look like SL.
>
> On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 1:03 PM, Mark Sokolovsky wrote:
>
>> Heh. Really, it's not worth it now. people like you ruined my amazing
>>> discovery.
>>>
>> --
>>  Sent from my Power mac G4 Sawtooth.
>>
>> --
>>
> __


List rules or no, after a decade it is nice to see rich text used on LEM to
effectively communicate. Notice how the color bars pop out the relevant
words and emphasize the salient points.

After all of those times I forgot to switch to plain text and got flak from
the plain text trogs I am glad I had rich text switched on to witness this
historic LEM event.





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Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?

[Chance Reecher]

Hmm, the amazing discovery you made back in April, and so stupidly told the
group about?

Copy-Pasted from your "modify the about this mac box" message:

"Well, the reason why this is "supposedly" running Snow leopard on a PPC mac,
is because i hacked one of the .strings files that display that system
information. I actually have Leopard on it, but since Leopard and Snow
Leopard's GUI on the desktop don't look too different, I waned to surprise
people on how I did this."

You admitted yourself that you just made Leopard look like SL.

On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 1:03 PM, Mark Sokolovsky wrote:

> Heh. Really, it's not worth it now. people like you ruined my amazing
>> discovery.
>>
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>
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Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?

[Mark Sokolovsky]

>
> Heh. Really, it's not worth it now. people like you ruined my amazing
> discovery.
>
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Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?

[Chance Reecher]

On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Mark Sokolovsky wrote:

>  For those of you who know this is real,


Funny, because it's not.

thank you for realizing what people like us can do.


Or rather, can't.

>
>
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Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?

[Mark Sokolovsky]

Like I said, you don't have to believe me if you don't want to. If You don't
believe, than good for you. Everyone's different. If you look at my evidence
in the face and say that it's fake or a scam, well then, oh well. I really
don't care. For those of you who know this is real, thank you for realizing
what people like us can do.

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Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?

[Damian]

This is just lame! Are u really thinking, that people would elive this?
On Jun 12, 2010, at 9:05 PM, Mark Sokolovsky wrote:

Here is that proof you wanted. Please, after you watch it, don't  
bug me about this subject ever again. I started what i thought  
would be an interesting conversation, but all i got is Fed up from  
other people annoying me with "It's fake" comments. Since iMovie  
wasn't compatible with the videos i recorded (I used my phone, it  
came out as .WMV files, grrr.) I uploaded into 5 parts. Well, enjoy!



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkV7zqF3dB8 Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmDo-1u7fWo Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpYHLe6iLpo Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDdzP5SyzKs Part 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgQ66PkMowg Part 5

Again. thanks for watching this video. I hope you enjoy it. Have a  
nice day everybody! Also, like I said, you can post comments (not  
rude ones.) on the video sites, but, don't bother me about this  
subject after you see the video and proof, because this has gone  
far enough. I wanted to keep this a secret, but I guess that the  
present is more exciting to tell about something like this than the  
future. Alrighty then, have a nice day everybody!


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Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?/Great job!

[Bequette Jeff]

On Jun 12, 2010, at 2:05 PM, Mark Sokolovsky wrote:

Here is that proof you wanted. Please, after you watch it, don't bug  
me about this subject ever again. I started what i thought would be  
an interesting conversation, but all i got is Fed up from other  
people annoying me with "It's fake" comments. Since iMovie wasn't  
compatible with the videos i recorded (I used my phone, it came out  
as .WMV files, grrr.) I uploaded into 5 parts. Well, enjoy!



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkV7zqF3dB8 Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmDo-1u7fWo Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpYHLe6iLpo Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDdzP5SyzKs Part 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgQ66PkMowg Part 5

Again. thanks for watching this video. I hope you enjoy it. Have a  
nice day everybody! Also, like I said, you can post comments (not  
rude ones.) on the video sites, but, don't bother me about this  
subject after you see the video and proof, because this has gone far  
enough. I wanted to keep this a secret, but I guess that the present  
is more exciting to tell about something like this than the future.  
Alrighty then, have a nice day everybody!


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Great Job!  now if I can just squeeze a G5 into my old 512ke..



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Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?

[Baha Ata]

lol even i shocked i cannot write my site well

www.macosxapplications.com

Hmmm i got 3 G4 Sawtooth... so lets try only rams :).

2010/6/13 John Carmonne :
> I must come to Mark's defense here. FWIW. I've read in the past a post by 
> someone I think maybe Bruce J about the ability to boot from USB on PPC 
> machines direct not through OS 9, however I never quite was able to figure 
> how, anyway I read one of Mark's posts a while back and he explained how to 
> do it and he's totally right on with it. I even carry a 4GB USB stick in my 
> pocket to dazzle my friends at the Apple store/repair depot with it. Just 
> plug it in any PPC Mac with a USB port and do the opt select and up it comes.
>
> The FW or powered USB drive isn't needed. So this opens a lot of 
> possibilities for machines without DVD drives for system installs and trouble 
> shooting. Disk Warrior is a good example.
>
> Thanks for explaining that Mark:-)
>
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Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?

[Baha Ata]

i cannot say anthing else than MASTER! :=) you shock me !!!

conversion you may use popcorn video conversion tool from

www.maxosxapplications.com...

search in the site... popcorn

2010/6/12 Mark Sokolovsky :
> Like i said... it goes like this:
> I first pulled 4 1GB So-dimm low profile SDRAM modules from a Dell Poweredge
> 2500 server, and then updated my firmware version from 4.2.8f1 to 5.2.5f1. I
> restarted, and pressed and held COMMAND+OPTION+P+R. Warning, the PM G5 2003
> firmware update only works on the PM G4 sawtooth as far as i know, and on
> all other sawtooth's i've tried, this is the only lucky one so far. I had to
> type in an OF command that temporarily wipes out the system info until
> restart in terminal. Then, once the G5 firmware has been applied and i
> pressed COMMAND+OPTION+P+R during restart, I then shut it off. I plugged in
> the 4 1GB Low profile modules, and it started up. I had the Question mark
> over the folder icon flashing, So I installed the lightest version of Mac OS
> X that the Application can run on, Mac OS X Jaguar. I installed Q emulator,
> emulated the (PC only) intel architecture, and I inserted the Boot 132CD. I
> then took it out, turned everything off in the Jaguar (host) system
> including finder, and inserted the install disk for Mac OS X Snow Leopard.)
> I put the guest OS (the one in the emulator) at full screen, and from there,
> isnatlled Mac OS X Snow Leopard, and since then, updated it to Mac OS X
> 10.6.3, or build 10D578.
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Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?

[John Carmonne]

I must come to Mark's defense here. FWIW. I've read in the past a post by 
someone I think maybe Bruce J about the ability to boot from USB on PPC 
machines direct not through OS 9, however I never quite was able to figure how, 
anyway I read one of Mark's posts a while back and he explained how to do it 
and he's totally right on with it. I even carry a 4GB USB stick in my pocket to 
dazzle my friends at the Apple store/repair depot with it. Just plug it in any 
PPC Mac with a USB port and do the opt select and up it comes. 

The FW or powered USB drive isn't needed. So this opens a lot of possibilities 
for machines without DVD drives for system installs and trouble shooting. Disk 
Warrior is a good example.

Thanks for explaining that Mark:-)

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Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?

[John Carmonne]

On Jun 12, 2010, at 8:13 PM, Mark Sokolovsky wrote:

> Look. I said no mean comments, and i also said no bugging me about this 
> afterwards in the original message. This topic is closed. BYE. I really don't 
> care if nobody believes me. this is your proof for ya, and you twisted it 
> into into garbage. Why can't people accept that such accomplishments have 
> been made instead of barking at others and putting them down? Btw john, what 
> scam? This is real. It's like the boy who cried wolf, only I cried wolf 2 
> times already, and this is my third time saying it, and the wolf (the mean 
> comments is the wolf) at me. Look, for those of you who enjoy bugging me 
> about this and posting mean comments about this and who have nothing better 
> to do, just quit it. There are people out there like me who defeat the odds 
> to show what can really be done. GOODBYE. I am no longer posting in this 
> subject, because it's really turned into garbage. For those of you who have 
> nothing better to do than to torment me, you really show yourself as a person 
> who doesn't care, a person who doesn't want friends, and a very ignorant 
> person who just wants to bother others. G3-G5 list, i'm over and out for the 
> day.
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Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?

[John Ruschmeyer]

And this is where the whole thing breaks down into fairy land...

Here we have a host system of a PPC G4 @ 400mhz emulating a DUAL-CORE
processor of a completely different architecture at approx. 4x the clock
speed of the native processor. This defies all common sense whatsoever.

I can maybe buy the idea of a PPC emulating an x86 at some fraction of the
PPC native speed (such as a G4/400 emulating a PII/233), but we¹re talking
about a 4-8x speed increase. If the G4 was really that efficient, Apple
would have never had any reason to move to Intel. It would be like the old
³snail² ads only the P-III would have to be on the top of a glacier!

John


On 6/12/10 9:59 PM, "Mark Sokolovsky"  wrote:

> It's simple. I donot have 10.6.3 on the machine itself. I have it installed as
> a Virtual system inside an emulation program. You see, the 'flaw" you
> considered wasn't actually a flaw. The  reason why it says Mac OS X 10.6.3 and
> powerPC G4 @400mhz in the same window, is because i took the system info from
> the HOST OS, not the guest OS specs. For anyone who didn't realize that, think
> again and look again.
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Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?

[Mark Sokolovsky]

Look. I said no mean comments, and i also said no bugging me about this
afterwards in the original message. This topic is closed. BYE. I really
don't care if nobody believes me. this is your proof for ya, and you twisted
it into into garbage. Why can't people accept that such accomplishments have
been made instead of barking at others and putting them down? Btw john, what
scam? This is real. It's like the boy who cried wolf, only I cried wolf 2
times already, and this is my third time saying it, and the wolf (the mean
comments is the wolf) at me. Look, for those of you who enjoy bugging me
about this and posting mean comments about this and who have nothing better
to do, just quit it. There are people out there like me who defeat the odds
to show what can really be done. GOODBYE. I am no longer posting in this
subject, because it's really turned into garbage. For those of you who have
nothing better to do than to torment me, you really show yourself as a
person who doesn't care, a person who doesn't want friends, and a very
ignorant person who just wants to bother others. G3-G5 list, i'm over and
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Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?

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On Jun 12, 2010, at 7:37 PM, Chance Reecher wrote:


Mark Sokolovsky wrote:
i know Q emulator emulates a basic VGA card, but don't forget, i  
downloaded a virtual Driver for generic Nvidia GeForce cards with  
64MB of RAM.
MARK, cool it I been trying to get an answer to why my MacBook screen  
flashes at startup all day and the good brains are deep in you're  
mannusha scam. It is entertaining how you can get the fur up. Put  
thought to my MacBook LOL


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Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?

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Mark Sokolovsky wrote:
i know Q emulator emulates a basic VGA card, but don't forget, i 
downloaded a virtual Driver for generic Nvidia GeForce cards with 64MB 
of RAM.
Oh, using big words like "virtual driver" now are we? One, Q doesn't 
emulate a GeForce GPU, it emulates a Cirrus Logic something-or-other or 
generic VGA. And two, as I've said before, I have lots of experience 
with Hackintoshing, and I know for a fact that unless you have actual 
hardware that supports QE and CI, it ain't gonna work. No "virtual 
driver" can magically make QE and CI work with unsupported hardware.
I don't think alot of you listened. I asked kindly not to post rude 
comments.
Rude would be calling you names... oh, OK, some people did. I have been 
civilly exposing the faults in your story. Nothing rude about that.

I'm really surprised the group manager hasn't barked at you yet.
And I'm surprised you haven't given up. The list has proved you wrong on 
several points, you need to provide stronger counterpoints or admit that 
you don't have this amazing "10.6 running on a 400MHz G4 in an 
impossibly slow emulator" setup you claim to.


Make another video of 10.6 actutally booting in Q, in a window of 
course, so we know you're not just using 10.5 with a modified ATM box 
and the SL wallpaper.


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Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?

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i know Q emulator emulates a basic VGA card, but don't forget, i downloaded
a virtual Driver for generic Nvidia GeForce cards with 64MB of RAM. I don't
think alot of you listened. I asked kindly not to post rude comments. I'm
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Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?

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Stop it. You edited the About this Mac dialog in hopes we'd fall for it, 
and now that we haven't, you're trying to talk your way out of your lie. 
Why not show us the 4GB in 10.2's ATM window, and then whatever 10.6 
supposedly reports without modification? Why fake it in the first place?


And you still haven't explained why Front Row is working when there's 
guaranteed no QE/CI with Q's emulated videocard.


Mark Sokolovsky wrote:
It's simple. I donot have 10.6.3 on the machine itself. I have it 
installed as a Virtual system inside an emulation program. You see, 
the 'flaw" you considered wasn't actually a flaw. The  reason why it 
says Mac OS X 10.6.3 and powerPC G4 @400mhz in the same window, is 
because i took the system info from the HOST OS, not the guest OS 
specs. For anyone who didn't realize that, think again and look again.



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Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?

[Mark Sokolovsky]

It's simple. I donot have 10.6.3 on the machine itself. I have it installed
as a Virtual system inside an emulation program. You see, the 'flaw" you
considered wasn't actually a flaw. The  reason why it says Mac OS X 10.6.3
and powerPC G4 @400mhz in the same window, is because i took the system info
from the HOST OS, not the guest OS specs. For anyone who didn't realize
that, think again and look again.


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Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?

[Mark Sokolovsky]

I simply added the system specs from the HOST machine instead of the guest.
if you want a short video showing you the guest machine specs, it reports
that it's an Intel Core Duo @1.83Ghz with 2GB of RAM. If you think it was a
"Flaw", well, it wasn't. I just simply programmed it to report the HOST OS
specs instead of the GUEST OS specs to prove my Sawtooth has 4GB of RAM.


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Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?

[Andy]

> I think eastern Europeans are mostly Gypsies and Griffters??

Bruce said "Don't feed the troll..." but let's not stoop to general offence
and bigotry.

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Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?

[John Carmonne]

On Jun 12, 2010, at 2:19 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:

> 
> On Jun 12, 2010, at 12:05 PM, Mark Sokolovsky wrote:
> 
>> Here is that proof you wanted. Please, after you watch it, don't bug me
>> about this subject ever again. I started what i thought would be an
>> interesting conversation, but all i got is Fed up from other people annoying
>> me with "It's fake" comments. Since iMovie wasn't compatible with the videos
>> i recorded (I used my phone, it came out as .WMV files, grrr.) I uploaded
>> into 5 parts. Well, enjoy!
> 
> 
> 
> Well that makes the "Alien Autopsy" 'fake-umentary' look like a "Nature" 
> episode, or C-SPAN coverage.
> 
> Nice try, but there's a fatal flaw in the very first video...If you are, as 
> you say, running 10.6 in Q, which emulates a Intel CPU, 'About this Mac would 
> SAY' that it was a Intel CPU because for all 10.6 knows that's what it's 
> running on. 
> 
> Don't feed the troll, folks...



I think eastern Europeans are mostly Gypsies and Griffters??


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Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?

[John Callahan]

OMG Will this never become obsolete?
On Jun 12, 2010, at 5:55 PM, John Carmonne wrote:



On Jun 12, 2010, at 2:49 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:




On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 9:43 PM, Albert Carter  
 wrote:
I don't know if I buy the 4 GB of RAM thing. His video didn't  
offer much proof of that either. He showed the sticks installed he  
didn't take them out and show us up-close detailed information and  
didn't show us in the hardware profiler on the Macintosh


I think he made modifications after all on April 21st Mark created  
a Topic: Want to know how to modify the "About this Mac" window? I  
know I saved it because I was intrigued and planned on researching  
this some on my own never got a chance to.


Albert



All along I have been thinking if he was a hacker with some  
unknown purpose to fake Mac machine readings, beyond just  
bragging, rights he would have a hard time finding more willing  
feedback.

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Well at least the ram I bought to put in my MDD will work in the PM  
G5 so I didn't waste any buck on the scam? :-)


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Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?

[Chance Reecher]

I don't think I buy it either. The Saw uses PC133 SDRAM and the G5s all use
DDR, so the firmware from the G5 would only know how to talk to DDR RAM, not
SDRAM.

This is one thing the LEM lists are very good at - exposing trolls.

On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 5:43 PM, Albert Carter wrote:

> I don't know if I buy the 4 GB of RAM thing. His video didn't offer much
> proof of that either. He showed the sticks installed he didn't take them out
> and show us up-close detailed information and didn't show us in the hardware
> profiler on the Macintosh
>
> I think he made modifications after all on April 21st Mark created a Topic:
> Want to know how to modify the "About this Mac" window? I know I saved it
> because I was intrigued and planned on researching this some on my own never
> got a chance to.
>
> Albert
>
>  --
> *From:* Chance Reecher 
>
> *To:* g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
> *Sent:* Sat, June 12, 2010 5:28:16 PM
>
> *Subject:* Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?
>
> Alright, I'll believe the 4GB-in-a-Sawtooth deal, but not the 10.6.3. You
> are going to want to hurt me for this, but YOUR VIDEO IS FAKE. You're either
> running a Hackintosh or running 10.5 with a modified About This Mac dialog.
>
> Your big mistake was running front row. Front row on 10.6 requires a
> graphics card with Quartz Extreme and Core Image. I've done my research, and
> Q emulates a basic VGA card. Even if you could get Q to boot 10.6, you'd
> have to use the generic VGA drivers, hence no QE/CI.
>
> Also, your About this Mac dialog - No matter what OS you run in Q, it will
> never see the host machine specs. It would only see the hardware Q was
> emulating. It's faked. (I know it can display whatever you want it to, I've
> built several Hackintoshes and edited the file myself.)
>
> From what I've read about Q, on an INTEL MAC doing straight x86 to x86, it
> emulates a ~500MHz PC. Imagine how slow a 400MHz G4 would be. There's no way
> it would boot. You might get 10.6 to boot on a quad G5, but it wouldn't be
> usable.
>
> The only counter-proof I'll believe is a full video from power button press
> to the About this Mac dialog in 10.2 to Q booting 10.6 to the About this Mac
> dialog in 10.6 running in the Q window, NOT full screen.
>
> Chance
>
> On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Mark Sokolovsky wrote:
>
>> Here is that proof you wanted. Please, after you watch it, don't bug me
>> about this subject ever again. I started what i thought would be an
>> interesting conversation, but all i got is Fed up from other people annoying
>> me with "It's fake" comments. Since iMovie wasn't compatible with the videos
>> i recorded (I used my phone, it came out as .WMV files, grrr.) I uploaded
>> into 5 parts. Well, enjoy!
>>
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkV7zqF3dB8 Part 1
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmDo-1u7fWo Part 2
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpYHLe6iLpo Part 3
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDdzP5SyzKs Part 4
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgQ66PkMowg Part 5
>>
>> Again. thanks for watching this video. I hope you enjoy it. Have a nice
>> day everybody! Also, like I said, you can post comments (not rude ones.) on
>> the video sites, but, don't bother me about this subject after you see the
>> video and proof, because this has gone far enough. I wanted to keep this a
>> secret, but I guess that the present is more exciting to tell about
>> something like this than the future. Alrighty then, have a nice day
>> everybody!
>>
>> --
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Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?

[John Carmonne]

On Jun 12, 2010, at 2:49 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:




On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 9:43 PM, Albert Carter  
 wrote:
I don't know if I buy the 4 GB of RAM thing. His video didn't offer  
much proof of that either. He showed the sticks installed he didn't  
take them out and show us up-close detailed information and didn't  
show us in the hardware profiler on the Macintosh


I think he made modifications after all on April 21st Mark created  
a Topic: Want to know how to modify the "About this Mac" window? I  
know I saved it because I was intrigued and planned on researching  
this some on my own never got a chance to.


Albert



All along I have been thinking if he was a hacker with some unknown  
purpose to fake Mac machine readings, beyond just bragging, rights  
he would have a hard time finding more willing feedback.

--
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Well at least the ram I bought to put in my MDD will work in the PM  
G5 so I didn't waste any buck on the scam? :-)


John Carmonne
Yorba Linda USA
From Earl Cube 1.2 GHz

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Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?

[Wallace Adrian D'Alessio]

On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 9:43 PM, Albert Carter wrote:

> I don't know if I buy the 4 GB of RAM thing. His video didn't offer much
> proof of that either. He showed the sticks installed he didn't take them out
> and show us up-close detailed information and didn't show us in the hardware
> profiler on the Macintosh
>
> I think he made modifications after all on April 21st Mark created a Topic:
> Want to know how to modify the "About this Mac" window? I know I saved it
> because I was intrigued and planned on researching this some on my own never
> got a chance to.
>
> Albert
>
>  --
>


All along I have been thinking if he was a hacker with some unknown purpose
to fake Mac machine readings, beyond just bragging, rights he would have a
hard time finding more willing feedback.
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Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?

[Albert Carter]

I don't know if I buy the 4 GB of RAM thing. His video didn't offer much proof 
of that either. He showed the sticks installed he didn't take them out and show 
us up-close detailed information and didn't show us in the hardware profiler on 
the Macintosh

I think he made modifications after all on April 21st Mark created a Topic: 
Want to know how to modify the "About this Mac" window? I know I saved it 
because I was intrigued and planned on researching this some on my own never 
got a chance to.

Albert





From: Chance Reecher 
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sat, June 12, 2010 5:28:16 PM
Subject: Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?

Alright, I'll believe the 4GB-in-a-Sawtooth deal, but not the 10.6.3. You are 
going to want to hurt me for this, but YOUR VIDEO IS FAKE. You're either 
running a Hackintosh or running 10.5 with a modified About This Mac dialog.

Your big mistake was running front row. Front row on 10.6 requires a graphics 
card with Quartz Extreme and Core Image. I've done my research, and Q emulates 
a basic VGA card. Even if you could get Q to boot 10.6, you'd have to use the 
generic VGA drivers, hence no QE/CI.

Also, your About this Mac dialog - No matter what OS you run in Q, it will 
never see the host machine specs. It would only see the hardware Q was 
emulating. It's faked. (I know it can display whatever you want it to, I've 
built several Hackintoshes and edited the file myself.)

>From what I've read about Q, on an INTEL MAC doing straight x86 to x86, it 
>emulates a ~500MHz PC. Imagine how slow a 400MHz G4 would be. There's no way 
>it would boot. You might get 10.6 to boot on a quad G5, but it wouldn't be 
>usable.

The only counter-proof I'll believe is a full video from power button press to 
the About this Mac dialog in 10.2 to Q booting 10.6 to the About this Mac 
dialog in 10.6 running in the Q window, NOT full screen.

Chance


On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Mark Sokolovsky  wrote:

Here is that proof you wanted. Please, after you watch it, don't bug me about 
this subject ever again. I started what i thought would be an interesting 
conversation, but all i got is Fed up from other people annoying me with "It's 
fake" comments. Since iMovie wasn't compatible with the videos i recorded (I 
used my phone, it came out as .WMV files, grrr.) I uploaded into 5 parts. Well, 
enjoy!
>
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkV7zqF3dB8 Part 1
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmDo-1u7fWo Part 2
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpYHLe6iLpo Part 3
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDdzP5SyzKs Part 4
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgQ66PkMowg Part 5
>
>Again. thanks for watching this video. I hope you enjoy it. Have a nice day 
>everybody! Also, like I said, you can post comments (not rude ones.) on the 
>video sites, but, don't bother me about this subject after you see the video 
>and proof, because this has gone far enough. I wanted to keep this a secret, 
>but I guess that the present is more exciting to tell about something like 
>this than the future. Alrighty then, have a nice day everybody!
>-- 
>
> Sent from my Power mac G4 Sawtooth.
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Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?

[Chance Reecher]

Dang it, Bruce. You beat me to him. ;-)

On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 5:19 PM, Bruce Johnson  wrote:

>
> On Jun 12, 2010, at 12:05 PM, Mark Sokolovsky wrote:
>
> > Here is that proof you wanted. Please, after you watch it, don't bug me
> > about this subject ever again. I started what i thought would be an
> > interesting conversation, but all i got is Fed up from other people
> annoying
> > me with "It's fake" comments. Since iMovie wasn't compatible with the
> videos
> > i recorded (I used my phone, it came out as .WMV files, grrr.) I uploaded
> > into 5 parts. Well, enjoy!
>
>
>
> Well that makes the "Alien Autopsy" 'fake-umentary' look like a "Nature"
> episode, or C-SPAN coverage.
>
> Nice try, but there's a fatal flaw in the very first video...If you are, as
> you say, running 10.6 in Q, which emulates a Intel CPU, 'About this Mac
> would SAY' that it was a Intel CPU because for all 10.6 knows that's what
> it's running on.
>
> Don't feed the troll, folks...
>
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Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?

[Chance Reecher]

Alright, I'll believe the 4GB-in-a-Sawtooth deal, but not the 10.6.3. You
are going to want to hurt me for this, but YOUR VIDEO IS FAKE. You're either
running a Hackintosh or running 10.5 with a modified About This Mac dialog.

Your big mistake was running front row. Front row on 10.6 requires a
graphics card with Quartz Extreme and Core Image. I've done my research, and
Q emulates a basic VGA card. Even if you could get Q to boot 10.6, you'd
have to use the generic VGA drivers, hence no QE/CI.

Also, your About this Mac dialog - No matter what OS you run in Q, it will
never see the host machine specs. It would only see the hardware Q was
emulating. It's faked. (I know it can display whatever you want it to, I've
built several Hackintoshes and edited the file myself.)

>From what I've read about Q, on an INTEL MAC doing straight x86 to x86, it
emulates a ~500MHz PC. Imagine how slow a 400MHz G4 would be. There's no way
it would boot. You might get 10.6 to boot on a quad G5, but it wouldn't be
usable.

The only counter-proof I'll believe is a full video from power button press
to the About this Mac dialog in 10.2 to Q booting 10.6 to the About this Mac
dialog in 10.6 running in the Q window, NOT full screen.

Chance

On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Mark Sokolovsky wrote:

> Here is that proof you wanted. Please, after you watch it, don't bug me
> about this subject ever again. I started what i thought would be an
> interesting conversation, but all i got is Fed up from other people annoying
> me with "It's fake" comments. Since iMovie wasn't compatible with the videos
> i recorded (I used my phone, it came out as .WMV files, grrr.) I uploaded
> into 5 parts. Well, enjoy!
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkV7zqF3dB8 Part 1
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmDo-1u7fWo Part 2
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpYHLe6iLpo Part 3
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDdzP5SyzKs Part 4
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgQ66PkMowg Part 5
>
> Again. thanks for watching this video. I hope you enjoy it. Have a nice day
> everybody! Also, like I said, you can post comments (not rude ones.) on the
> video sites, but, don't bother me about this subject after you see the video
> and proof, because this has gone far enough. I wanted to keep this a secret,
> but I guess that the present is more exciting to tell about something like
> this than the future. Alrighty then, have a nice day everybody!
>
> --
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>
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Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?

[Bruce Johnson]

On Jun 12, 2010, at 12:05 PM, Mark Sokolovsky wrote:

> Here is that proof you wanted. Please, after you watch it, don't bug me
> about this subject ever again. I started what i thought would be an
> interesting conversation, but all i got is Fed up from other people annoying
> me with "It's fake" comments. Since iMovie wasn't compatible with the videos
> i recorded (I used my phone, it came out as .WMV files, grrr.) I uploaded
> into 5 parts. Well, enjoy!



Well that makes the "Alien Autopsy" 'fake-umentary' look like a "Nature" 
episode, or C-SPAN coverage.

Nice try, but there's a fatal flaw in the very first video...If you are, as you 
say, running 10.6 in Q, which emulates a Intel CPU, 'About this Mac would SAY' 
that it was a Intel CPU because for all 10.6 knows that's what it's running on. 

Don't feed the troll, folks...

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Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?

[Bruce Johnson]

On Jun 12, 2010, at 1:23 PM, Frank J. R. Hanstick wrote:

> Hello,
>   I noticed that when I download many of the Darwin 10 source modules 
> that they have the capability to build for PPC.  I have not been able to get 
> xcode to compile some of the modules in PPC and have not figured out how to 
> bypass the xcode lockout.  I was wondering if you tried compiling darwin 10 
> for PPC and then only run the emulator for MacOS proprietary software?

Darwin can be built for PPC, you just have to run pure Darwin, you can't use 
XCode.

Second, while your strategy for emulation is a good one it won't work for 
running OS x 10.6 on PPC processors.

(It was the way they got Windows to run on 68030-era hardware..the company that 
made the emulator (and I cannot remember the name for the life of me)  had 
access to the Windows source code, and were able to cross-compile the libs, so 
it was more of a WINE-type 'emulation'.)

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Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?

[Frank J. R. Hanstick]

Hello,
	I noticed that when I download many of the Darwin 10 source modules  
that they have the capability to build for PPC.  I have not been able  
to get xcode to compile some of the modules in PPC and have not  
figured out how to bypass the xcode lockout.  I was wondering if you  
tried compiling darwin 10 for PPC and then only run the emulator for  
MacOS proprietary software?

On Jun 12, 2010, at 12:05 PM, Mark Sokolovsky wrote:

Here is that proof you wanted. Please, after you watch it, don't bug  
me about this subject ever again. I started what i thought would be  
an interesting conversation, but all i got is Fed up from other  
people annoying me with "It's fake" comments. Since iMovie wasn't  
compatible with the videos i recorded (I used my phone, it came out  
as .WMV files, grrr.) I uploaded into 5 parts. Well, enjoy!



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkV7zqF3dB8 Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmDo-1u7fWo Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpYHLe6iLpo Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDdzP5SyzKs Part 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgQ66PkMowg Part 5

Again. thanks for watching this video. I hope you enjoy it. Have a  
nice day everybody! Also, like I said, you can post comments (not  
rude ones.) on the video sites, but, don't bother me about this  
subject after you see the video and proof, because this has gone far  
enough. I wanted to keep this a secret, but I guess that the present  
is more exciting to tell about something like this than the future.  
Alrighty then, have a nice day everybody!


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Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?

[Albert Carter]

Mark,

    Please learn your terminology SO-DIMMS are for laptops and tray loading G3 
iMac ONLY not desktop machines.

Albert





From: Mark Sokolovsky 
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Sent: Sat, June 12, 2010 3:40:31 PM
Subject: Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?

Like i said... it goes like this: 

I first pulled 4 1GB So-dimm low profile SDRAM modules from a Dell Poweredge 
2500 server, and then updated my firmware version from 4.2.8f1 to 5.2.5f1. I 
restarted, and pressed and held COMMAND+OPTION+P+R. Warning, the PM G5 2003 
firmware update only works on the PM G4 sawtooth as far as i know, and on all 
other sawtooth's i've tried, this is the only lucky one so far. I had to type 
in an OF command that temporarily wipes out the system info until restart in 
terminal. Then, once the G5 firmware has been applied and i pressed 
COMMAND+OPTION+P+R during restart, I then shut it off. I plugged in the 4 1GB 
Low profile modules, and it started up. I had the Question mark over the folder 
icon flashing, So I installed the lightest version of Mac OS X that the 
Application can run on, Mac OS X Jaguar. I installed Q emulator, emulated the 
(PC only) intel architecture, and I inserted the Boot 132CD. I then took it 
out, turned everything off in the Jaguar (host)
 system including finder, and inserted the install disk for Mac OS X Snow 
Leopard.) I put the guest OS (the one in the emulator) at full screen, and from 
there, isnatlled Mac OS X Snow Leopard, and since then, updated it to Mac OS X 
10.6.3, or build 10D578.


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Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?

[Jeffrey Engle]

well that counts me out. Jeff
On Jun 12, 2010, at 12:40 PM, Mark Sokolovsky wrote:

 Warning, the PM G5 2003 firmware update only works on the PM G4  
sawtooth


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Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?

[Dan]

At 3:05 PM -0400 6/12/2010, Mark Sokolovsky wrote:
Since iMovie wasn't compatible with the videos i recorded (I used my 
phone, it came out as .WMV files, grrr.)


Use ffmpeg to convert the wmv to whatever.

The easiest way to get ffmpeg is to install Burn -- it includes an 
already built copy of ffmpeg within.


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Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?

[Mark Sokolovsky]

Like i said... it goes like this:

I first pulled 4 1GB So-dimm low profile SDRAM modules from a Dell Poweredge
2500 server, and then updated my firmware version from 4.2.8f1 to 5.2.5f1. I
restarted, and pressed and held COMMAND+OPTION+P+R. Warning, the PM G5 2003
firmware update only works on the PM G4 sawtooth as far as i know, and on
all other sawtooth's i've tried, this is the only lucky one so far. I had to
type in an OF command that temporarily wipes out the system info until
restart in terminal. Then, once the G5 firmware has been applied and i
pressed COMMAND+OPTION+P+R during restart, I then shut it off. I plugged in
the 4 1GB Low profile modules, and it started up. I had the Question mark
over the folder icon flashing, So I installed the lightest version of Mac OS
X that the Application can run on, Mac OS X Jaguar. I installed Q emulator,
emulated the (PC only) intel architecture, and I inserted the Boot 132CD. I
then took it out, turned everything off in the Jaguar (host) system
including finder, and inserted the install disk for Mac OS X Snow Leopard.)
I put the guest OS (the one in the emulator) at full screen, and from there,
isnatlled Mac OS X Snow Leopard, and since then, updated it to Mac OS X
10.6.3, or build 10D578.


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Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?

[Jeffrey Engle]

Hey mark, Thanks for the post!!! I would love to know "how" you did  
it? I'm not all that geeky, but I'd like to do this myself. Any way I  
could get step by step instructions from you? Jeff

On Jun 12, 2010, at 12:05 PM, Mark Sokolovsky wrote:

Here is that proof you wanted. Please, after you watch it, don't bug  
me about this subject ever again. I started what i thought would be  
an interesting conversation, but all i got is Fed up from other  
people annoying me with "It's fake" comments. Since iMovie wasn't  
compatible with the videos i recorded (I used my phone, it came out  
as .WMV files, grrr.) I uploaded into 5 parts. Well, enjoy!



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkV7zqF3dB8 Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmDo-1u7fWo Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpYHLe6iLpo Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDdzP5SyzKs Part 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgQ66PkMowg Part 5

Again. thanks for watching this video. I hope you enjoy it. Have a  
nice day everybody! Also, like I said, you can post comments (not  
rude ones.) on the video sites, but, don't bother me about this  
subject after you see the video and proof, because this has gone far  
enough. I wanted to keep this a secret, but I guess that the present  
is more exciting to tell about something like this than the future.  
Alrighty then, have a nice day everybody!


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Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?

[Mark Sokolovsky]

Here is that proof you wanted. Please, after you watch it, don't bug me
about this subject ever again. I started what i thought would be an
interesting conversation, but all i got is Fed up from other people annoying
me with "It's fake" comments. Since iMovie wasn't compatible with the videos
i recorded (I used my phone, it came out as .WMV files, grrr.) I uploaded
into 5 parts. Well, enjoy!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkV7zqF3dB8 Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmDo-1u7fWo Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpYHLe6iLpo Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDdzP5SyzKs Part 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgQ66PkMowg Part 5

Again. thanks for watching this video. I hope you enjoy it. Have a nice day
everybody! Also, like I said, you can post comments (not rude ones.) on the
video sites, but, don't bother me about this subject after you see the video
and proof, because this has gone far enough. I wanted to keep this a secret,
but I guess that the present is more exciting to tell about something like
this than the future. Alrighty then, have a nice day everybody!

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Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?

[Baha Ata]

www.macosxapplications.com

4 GB is impossible... If you do not change your mainboard with an
amiga mainboard and install...

2010/6/11 Mark Sokolovsky :
> okay, i will post a video on sunday, but anywhere i can get a screen
> recording program for Mac OS X?
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Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?

[Bruce Johnson]

On Jun 10, 2010, at 9:49 PM, Mark Sokolovsky wrote:

>> 
>> okay, i will post a video on sunday, but anywhere i can get a screen
> recording program for Mac OS X?



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Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?

[Mark Sokolovsky]

>
> okay, i will post a video on sunday, but anywhere i can get a screen
recording program for Mac OS X?


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Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?

[Kris Tilford]

On Jun 10, 2010, at 7:00 AM, Albert Carter wrote:

First of all G4 Power Macs do not take SO-DIMMs and neither do Dell  
Servers. SO-DIMMs are for Laptops and Tray Loading G3 iMacs.  
Secondly I doubt a PowerMac G4 would except a G5 Firmware the board  
wouldn't allow it the structure is completely different.


Agreed!! This story is BS in my opinion. Let's see a video on YouTube  
or Vimeo of the 4GB Sawtooth with 10.6.3 running under Q-[kju:],  
PLEASE? Unless you can post proof, it sounds like pure crazy talk to me.


Please, post a video with a System Profiler Page showing G5 firmware  
in a G4, and also a view of the insides so we can see you didn't just  
place a G5 logicboard into a G4 case.


If no proof is offered, we need to move on and close this thread.

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Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?

[Mel]

If one had to provide a reason why "it" works on one Mac and not on another Mac 
of the same model, It seems more likely that it is not the difference between 
or among similar models Macs but the different applications used by the persons 
attempting to implement the changes.

I suggest that those who were not successful, if interested, contact those who 
succeeded and perhaps the matter might be resolved with satisfaction among them.

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From: Mark Sokolovsky 
Subject: Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Date: Thursday, June 10, 2010, 12:40 PM

I was one of the lucky ones for which it worked for me. The method I used 
worked for me, but like I said sometime earlier, it might not work on all PM G4 
computers. If it doesn't work, then find a way round it, the possibilities are 
endless. My PM G4 iSaw (I call my sawtooth an iSaw for a nickname, not the USB 
2.0 Saw, lol) worked with this method. Like people, All macs are different, 
even if their specs are the same.


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