Cube processor
Hi All I have a Cube 500 that I want to increase it's speed to 1.5 or more. I have read about some of the processors. I'm confused as to which is the most trouble free. The ones I've read about are Sonnet and PowerLogix. I saw a video that Adam B did and the OWC unit (PowerLogix I think) failed at boot. Has any one had experience with these units? John wtmm= -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: 1Ghz G3 upgrade?
I think there is something missing in your post. What is one of "these"? John wtmm 25 kids all named Mac On Dec 15, 2009, at 5:14 AM, Mike wrote: > Morning, > Anyone had any experience with these? I'm pretty tempted. Things > holding me back are the need to give them another $13 or something to > be able to run 10.4.11, and that I could almost bag a complete G4 > system for the money on fleabay. > It sure would be nice to boost one of the smurfs though > > -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: 1Ghz G3 upgrade?
If it would run like my iMacs G3 700 MHz I think you'll be very happy with 10.4.11 on the machine. I would like to stuff something like this in a Cube to get it up to 1.8 dual. But those are too much $$. New to the list, What is a SmurfFlower, MolarMac?? John wtmm On Dec 15, 2009, at 6:03 AM, Kasey Smith wrote: > I have been wanting too grab two myself, one for my smurftower and > one for my Molar Mac. If you get one, lemme know how it runs :) > On Dec 15, 2009, at 6:14 AM, Mike wrote: > >> Morning, >> Anyone had any experience with these? I'm pretty tempted. Things >> holding me back are the need to give them another $13 or something to >> be able to run 10.4.11, and that I could almost bag a complete G4 >> system for the money on fleabay. >> It sure would be nice to boost one of the smurfs though >> >> -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Cube processor
Thanks for the reminder, I almost forgot about Giga Designs. All these processors are a little scarce. John wtmm On Dec 15, 2009, at 8:26 AM, Brett M. Roby wrote: > I was able to upgrade the cpu in my Cube from 450MHz to a 1.8GHz G4. I want > to say the manufacturer (or at least the name they printed on the box) was > Giga Designs. Definitely a worthwhile upgrade, if you intend on using the > Cube for modern applications. That was a fun project! > > Good luck! > > Cheers, > > > > > A message from "John Carmonne" on 12/14/09 5:20 PM, using the e-mail > , contained the following: > >> Hi All >> >> I have a Cube 500 that I want to increase it's speed to 1.5 or more. I have >> read about some of the processors. I'm confused as to which is the most >> trouble free. >> The ones I've read about are Sonnet and PowerLogix. I saw a video that Adam >> B did and the OWC unit (PowerLogix I think) failed at boot. Has any one had >> experience with these units? >> >> John wtmm= > > -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Cube processor
Thanks for the info. I'm always on the lookout for a Sonnet, so far no luck. I have 3 Cubes. I've put fans in two of them and 1.5GB RAM in all. I also would like to find a video card that will support a 23" acrylic Cinema Display. They run my Studio displays but not the Cinema. The Cube 500 specs say it will run it but for now the G4 MDD is the only box I have with ADC port to use the Cinema. John wtmm 25 kids all named Mac On Dec 15, 2009, at 7:32 AM, dc wrote: > I have a Sonnet 1.2 GHz (single) in my Cube and it runs 10.5.8 well. > Very few processor upgrades work in the Cube and you will need to add > a base fan to expel heat. OWC currently sells PowerLogix Cube upgrades > which come with an 80mmm base fan. I have a PowerLogix upgrade in a > Sawtooth that I'm very happy with (although they no longer seem to be > updating their software). In my experience OWC is very good with > customer service. > > On Dec 14, 8:20 pm, John Carmonne wrote: >> Hi All >> >> I have a Cube 500 that I want to increase it's speed to 1.5 or more. I have >> read about some of the processors. I'm confused as to which is the most >> trouble free. >> The ones I've read about are Sonnet and PowerLogix. I saw a video that Adam >> B did and the OWC unit (PowerLogix I think) failed at boot. Has any one had >> experience with these units? >> >> John wtmm= > > -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: 1Ghz G3 upgrade?
I understand the nicknames I think, I have a Flower Pot, a Buick MDD, Cheese Grater, Wally, and in the market for a Toilet Seat 466:-) John wtmm On Dec 15, 2009, at 8:50 AM, John Ruschmeyer wrote: > Smurf= B&W G3 (aka Yosemite) > Flower= Flower-power iMac > MolarMac= Beige G3 All-in-one (named for its shape) > > John > > -Original Message- > From: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:g3-5-l...@googlegroups.com] On > Behalf Of John Carmonne > Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 9:36 AM > To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > > > I would like to stuff something like this in a Cube to get it up to 1.8 > dual. But those are too much $$. > > New to the list, What is a SmurfFlower, MolarMac?? > > -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: 1Ghz G3 upgrade?
On Dec 15, 2009, at 9:20 AM, Jason Brown wrote: > 10.9.4? Your all set then. :P > > On Dec 15, 2009, at 11:15 AM, coolr...@comcast.net wrote: > >> FYI... read the fine print. The PowerLogix won't run OS X higher than >> 10.9.4. I have one in a 400MHz B&W and works great. It runs at 1GHz >> under OS9 and 500MHz under 10.4.11. I have a 10.4.9 partition for >> doing specific things where it runs at 1GHz. >> >> Rick >> > Does the Powerlogix upgrade run at different speeds depending on the OS? John wtmm -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Power MacG4-AGP, Radeon 9000 video card can't upgrade to Tiger
On Dec 15, 2009, at 12:59 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: > > On Dec 15, 2009, at 12:48 PM, John Niven wrote: > >> --- On Tue, 12/15/09, Bruce Johnson >> wrote: >>> system to 10.4; it turned out to be the flaky external dvd >>> drive I was >>> using to install it. >> >> Doesn't the install disk do a media check first? I know you can >> bypass that but I always thought that was a good idea. then you know >> the disk and drive are OK before you start. > > It was passing the check. It was a weird issue with the external FW > enclosure that for some reason wasn't showing up on the check. I ended > up installing the DVD drive internally and it worked. > > -- > Bruce Johnson > > "Wherever you go, there you are" B. Banzai, PhD > Maybe this story will be of some use. I got a G4 MDD 1.0 dual That a friend gave me because of the same problem you speak of. He was told that the Mother board, well you know the rest. Sometimes it would half boot. maybe boot then panic after a few sec. many panics during boot, no response of any kind and so on. I spent some days getting this machine running and what a jewell it has become for me, a real workhorse. I found that the machine likes to have the boot drive in the first 100 bay (against the front wall). I partitioned my 500GB drive to 190 for the boot drive because I boot OS9 also. I disconnected every item from the machine including the RAM and PRAM Batt and HDDs. Let the thing sit for a couple. Cleaned the Ram slots. Then the CUDA down for 30 sec. Install the one HDD, RAM and PRAM batt. I installed OS9 (with a special ROM for MDD) first and then OS 10.4.11 This worked for me. John wtmm -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Leopard or Tiger?
On Dec 16, 2009, at 11:00 AM, Roger Kulp wrote: > > > > > > I have upgraded to Leopard on a newer machine,and I noticed the slower speed > right away myself. > >Roger > > --- On Mon, 12/7/09, Richard Gerome wrote: > > From: Richard Gerome > Subject: Re: Leopard or Tiger? > To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > Date: Monday, December 7, 2009, 7:12 AM > > >I think you would be better off with Tiger??? Based on my experience in > the past when you go up to the next OS it tends to slow it down. > roup/g3-5-list > What machine did you upgrade? How much RAM do you have? John wtmm= -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: needing an upgrade from 10.2 to newer version than that
On Dec 19, 2009, at 10:11 AM, dooney wrote: > would anyone have an upgrade for my g3 /600 graphite to the next > operating systen? > thanks > dennis > I have Tiger 10.4.11 for your Imac G3 Graohite 600 John wtmm 25 kids all named Mac -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: needing an upgrade from 10.2 to newer version than that
On Dec 19, 2009, at 11:28 AM, Paxton wrote: >> Don't waste your money on Panther 10.3 it's just as bad... Tiger >> 10.4 would be the only way to go nothing newer then that... >> > > > Any tips (part numbers) on which grey machine specific disks would get > me 10.4.X for my QS2001, GigE and/or Smurf. > > I have been trying to buy a copy of 10.4.X but the factory boxes are > just too expensive for me, both on ebay and LEM. > > I notice the machine specific disks often go for prices in my range > but are hard to identify. > > I really need to upgrade. I am running 10.3.9 and some stuff I want to > do requires 10.4. > > Thanks for any help. > Paxton > > > -- > Paxton Hoag > Astoria, OR > USA > Do you have a DVD ROM for your QS? John wtmm -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Re:
On Dec 19, 2009, at 5:42 PM, Bill Connelly wrote: > > On Dec 19, 2009, at 8:38 PM, Jonas Ulrich wrote: > >> True, it is an assumption, and although you don't use firewire on >> your DA now, it may become necessary in the event of a computer >> emergency. For example: You may need to use target disk mode to >> retrieve files off of it for one reason or another, or use it to >> install an OS on another mac or to transfer files. You also may need >> to use the optical drive of another mac via firewire. >> > > You can also boot from external FW drives, but not USB, correct? > You can boot Intel Macs with USB, However I never gave a thought to target with FW, a very important feature. but that's just me. John wtmm= -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Address book transfer
Hi all I would like to know how to store my address book on a flash drive so I can transfer it to any of my machines. I have the address book on an iMac G3 at my shop and I update it in the coarse of the day after which I want to take it home and update those machines. It's probably simple but for me so far no cigar. . John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA 25 kids all named Mac -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Booting from USB
How do you get the 10.4.11 onto the flash drive? On Dec 20, 2009, at 7:51 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: > > On Dec 19, 2009, at 8:05 PM, John Carmonne wrote: > >> >> On Dec 19, 2009, at 5:42 PM, Bill Connelly wrote: >> >>> >>> On Dec 19, 2009, at 8:38 PM, Jonas Ulrich wrote: >>> >>>> True, it is an assumption, and although you don't use firewire on >>>> your DA now, it may become necessary in the event of a computer >>>> emergency. For example: You may need to use target disk mode to >>>> retrieve files off of it for one reason or another, or use it to >>>> install an OS on another mac or to transfer files. You also may need >>>> to use the optical drive of another mac via firewire. >>>> >>> >>> You can also boot from external FW drives, but not USB, correct? >>> >> You can boot Intel Macs with USB, However I never gave a thought to >> target with FW, a very important feature. but that's just me. > > Actually you can boot most PPC macs from USB as well: > > <http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20061017084322177 > > From that thread: > > "Further refinement I just came across in my notes, on the system > requirements to boot from Macintosh USB ports: OS 8.6 through 9.2.2, > and OS 10.4.3 and later. OS 8.6 - 9.2.2 might need the last of > whichever versions of the USB extensions that each of these System > versions supports (for OS 9.1 through 9.2.2, USB 1.5.6 is the > preferred version; OS 9.1 and later don't need the extension "USB Mass > Storage Support", especially since it sometimes freezes Macs running > OS 9.1 - 9.2.2 that are trying to boot from USB), though other details > as to the proper combination and versions of USB extensions under OS > 8.6 - 9.2.2 is screwy, and too lengthy to post here, especially since > we're dealing with OS X anyway. > > The first Macs to support USB booting, are the first slot-loading > iMacs (including the 350 MHz model with no Firewire ports), and the > Firewire Powerbook G3. I've even booted OS 10.4.11, from a USB 2.0 > flash drive, on a Mirrored Drive Doors G4, from a USB 2.0 PCI slot > card, with no special tricks, Open Firmware modifications, etc." > > > -- > Bruce Johnson > > "Wherever you go, there you are" B. Banzai, PhD > > -- > You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for > those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power > Macs. > The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette > guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA 25 kids all named Mac -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Address book transfer
I can't seem to find this file on any of my machines ~/Library/Application Support/AddressBook/. On Dec 20, 2009, at 10:22 AM, Dan wrote: > At 6:38 AM -0800 12/20/2009, John Carmonne wrote: >> I would like to know how to store my address book on a flash drive >> so I can transfer it to any of my machines. I have the address book >> on an iMac G3 at my shop and I update it in the coarse of the day >> after which I want to take it home and update those machines. It's >> probably simple but for me so far no cigar. > > The data is stashed in ~/Library/Application Support/AddressBook/ > > Try pushing that over. I've never tried doing this tho; I think it > should work as long as things aren't encrypted. > > hum. Perhaps a cool use for Dropbox... Put a symlink of that > directory in your Dropbox on each machine. Then Dropbox should keep > them all sync'd automagically from then on! Should check the Dropbox > forums before trying this tho, to make sure there are no gotchas. > > <https://www.dropbox.com/referrals/NTYxMDMyNjk> > > - Dan. > -- > - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. > > -- > You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for > those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power > Macs. > The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette > guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA 25 kids all named Mac -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Address book transfer
On Dec 20, 2009, at 2:30 PM, Brett M. Roby wrote: > I guess you guys never got my other e-mail. If you're > looking to simply transfer address book data from one > machine to another, do what's on this page: > http://www.ehow.com/i/#article_4699014 and you're all set. > > All this other stuff you guys are talking about is crazy! > > > John Carmonne wrote the following on > Sun, 20 Dec 2009 12:12:30 -0800: > >> I can't seem to find this file on any of my machines >> ~/Library/Application Support/AddressBook/. >> >> On Dec 20, 2009, at 10:22 AM, Dan wrote: >> >>> At 6:38 AM -0800 12/20/2009, John Carmonne wrote: >>>> I would like to know how to store my address book on a >>>> flash drive >>>> so I can transfer it to any of my machines. I have the >>>> address book >>>> on an iMac G3 at my shop and I update it in the coarse >>>> of the day >>>> after which I want to take it home and update those >>>> machines. It's >>>> probably simple but for me so far no cigar. >>> >>> The data is stashed in ~/Library/Application >>> Support/AddressBook/ >>> >>> Try pushing that over. I've never tried doing this tho; >>> I think it >>> should work as long as things aren't encrypted. >>> >>> hum. Perhaps a cool use for Dropbox... Put a symlink of >>> that >>> directory in your Dropbox on each machine. Then Dropbox >>> should keep >>> them all sync'd automagically from then on! Should >>> check the Dropbox >>> forums before trying this tho, to make sure there are no >>> gotchas. >>> >>> <https://www.dropbox.com/referrals/NTYxMDMyNjk> >>> >>> - Dan. >>> -- >>> - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are a member of >>> G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop >>> Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. >>> The list FAQ is at >>> http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our >>> netiquette guide is at >>> http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml >>> To post to this group, send email to >>> g3-5-list@googlegroups.com >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list >> >> John Carmonne >> Yorba Linda USA >> >> 25 kids all named Mac >> Thank you Brett it all seems so simple now. I do appreciate the other suggestions as well at least I know where some more things are stored and how they're accessed. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA 25 kids all named Mac -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Bluray revisited
Hi all In have a PM G5 2.7 Dual 12 GB i can get a burner to copy and burn Bluray with however I'm told that Apple does not have a Bluray player yet. I have a Vizio 36" LCD monitor with HDMI and DVI ports what do I need top play Bluray on my Vizio? John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA 25 kids all named Mac -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Address book transfer
On Dec 20, 2009, at 6:48 PM, Dan wrote: > At 2:30 PM -0800 12/20/2009, Brett M. Roby wrote: >> I guess you guys never got my other e-mail. > > This is the first from you I've received in this thread. > Doncha love Google Groups. sigh. > >> If you're looking to simply transfer address book data from one >> machine to another, do what's on this page: >> http://www.ehow.com/i/#article_4699014 and you're all set. > > That url 404s (page not found). > > (Guessing) It's directions on how to "properly" export the address > book from within the Address Book app? That's nice, but it can be > slow and it's a PITA to do day after day after day. MUCH easier to > just grab the whole directory and transport it by USB stick, or let > it transport itself with Dropbox. > > - Dan. > -- > - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. > Dan I seem to miss out on some posts also. But all the info on this question is very helpful. Maybe it's just me but there's some missing on here from the first ones. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA 25 kids all named Mac -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Bluray revisited
On Dec 20, 2009, at 7:06 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: > On Dec 20, 2009, at 7:36 PM, John Carmonne wrote: > >> what do I need top play Bluray on my Vizio? > > I don't believe Blu-ray will ever play on a PPC Mac since PPC software > development is pretty much dead. If you had an Intel Mac the only way > to playback Blu-ray at this time is to boot Windows 7 directly; no > virtualization, it must be booted into Windows to work. > > You can buy a stand-alone Blu-ray player and leave your Mac out of the > loop. > > I also believe you can rip them on your PPC Mac, and once ripped, play > the converted .mkv file: > > <http://makemkv.com/> > > > > Can I just buy a player and connect my monitor to it or do I have to have aTV? John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA 25 kids all named Mac -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Bluray revisited
On Dec 20, 2009, at 7:09 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: > On Dec 20, 2009, at 9:06 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: > >> I also believe you can rip them on your PPC Mac, and once ripped, play >> the converted .mkv file: >> >> <http://makemkv.com/> > > OOPS! I'll correct myself, this doesn't work on PPC, it's Intel only > also. Sorry. > I also have a MBP 2.4 4GB. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA 25 kids all named Mac -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Address book transfer
On Dec 20, 2009, at 7:37 PM, Brett M. Roby wrote: >> Thank you Brett it all seems so simple now. I do >> appreciate the other suggestions as well >> at least I know where some more things are stored and >> how they're accessed. >> John Carmonne >> Yorba Linda USA >> >> 25 kids all named Mac > > -- > > No problem. I'm glad I could help. I'm actually going to > be doing this myself soon. > Be careful of this, it works great but I think I found a gotcha like Dan said. It seemed to wipe out addresses that I need for my mail account. Thank goodness for Time Machine. It's probably due to not having a separate book for my fax numbers and the mail addresses. I have to learn how to do that. John wtmm -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Bluray revisited
On Dec 21, 2009, at 8:04 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: > > On Dec 20, 2009, at 8:09 PM, John Carmonne wrote: > >>> >>> >> Can I just buy a player and connect my monitor to it or do I have to >> have aTV? > > > You mentioned an HDMI connector? Then yes all you need is a player. > > -- > Bruce Johnson > University of Arizona > College of Pharmacy > Information Technology Group > > Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs > > Sounds pretty good to me, what about audio does the Bluray player connect to my stereo. also can I play an image thru the player or is a disk necessary? John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA 25 kids all named Mac -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Camino mucho problema
Hi all I recently started using Camino as my main browser. I really like it over Safari However I'm getting an annoying glitch on some media items that I try to open This is an example http://release.theplatform.com/content.select?pid=5mCzgDf_lCZ3uKBDkKLY2_dqmD4_S0yF&UserName=Unknown When I click this in the mail that was sent to me the Camino browser gets stuck, just flashes forever until I quit Camino. Even if I try to open in Safari it goes to Camino and seizes. Any ideas? John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA 25 kids all named Mac -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: why is this MDD overheating?
On Dec 29, 2009, at 5:32 PM, Jeffrey Engle wrote: > Ok, before I begin, here's the specs. > > Dual 1.25 MDD 2gb ram, 200gb, leopard 10.5.8 > > Last night I pulled the power supply and cleaned it like I've done a > couple times before and reinstalled it. Only this time, the main fan, > which I figured I'd clean too while I was at it, accidentally got put > in backwards (yes, I did that..) well, obviously it didn't take but > about 4 minutes to overheat and smell like burnt plastic and shut down > (sleep mode).. then I forced a shut down and opened the machine to > find the fan in wrong. Well, here's where it gets interesting... I > flipped the fan around, and powered it up, starts off fine, normal fan > noise (rpm) then as I watch, istat is telling me a slow increase... > it's climbing, climbing... past 150f... fan kicks up another notch .. > 160f sounds like the fan is full throttle at this point... this is > with very little or no load on the CPU (itunes, mail) then I power > down, and figured I'd put a fresh application of thermal grease on the > processors. still the same problem/result? how do I get this back > down to 130f-140f where it was? what possible damage could I have done > to this poor MDD? your turn... thanks in advance. Jeff > > I hope this isn't an insult but the machine has to be closed up to > cool properly. Just checking, John wtmm -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: why is this MDD overheating?
On Dec 29, 2009, at 6:01 PM, Jeffrey Engle wrote: > > On Dec 29, 2009, at 5:57 PM, JOHN CARMONNE wrote: > >>> I hope this isn't an insult but the machine has to be closed up to >>> cool properly. Just checking, >> >> John wtmm > I fully agree.. I have a MDD 1. Dual. I have occasionally had the fan get up and stay up. I think I went to Apple downloads and got an update for this. It doesn't make a lot of sense to me that the temp would climb if the fan is working properly. If the fan is running then the temp shouldn't rise. Under the port holes in the front is a grill that gets plugged up I assume this is clean. Are both CPUs running hot? John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: HD Data Recovery
On Dec 29, 2009, at 7:02 PM, JIM RAPER wrote: > Hello, > My old G4 Sawtooth is being phased out. Been having HD problems for a while. > The HD I want to recover files and "stuff" from is a Maxtor 60gig 5400. I had > two HDs. The other was a 10g Maxtor 7200. I made the 10g my boot drive and > used the larger for storage. The 60 kept getting worse and worse. Making a > lot of runup noise and pings and pops. Sometimes it wouldn't mount. I would > then let it cool and could occasionally get it back onto my desktop. I > retrieved as much as I could with a little jump drive a little at a time. > Mostly music and pictures left. Bought an 8GB Lexar today to try to get the > last bits off. BUT so far today no luck in mounting the 60g. I've booting > with OS CD, tried as best I could with Disk Utility. It tells me it needs > repair; it tries to repair, then says it can't; and subsequently tells me I > need to maybe use a third party disk utility. > > Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Jim > > I would try Drive Genius 2 or DiskWarrior. Sometimes you can freeze a drive and get it up long enough to get your stuff off, I've done this a lot. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MDD clock
On Dec 29, 2009, at 10:26 PM, Jeffrey Engle wrote: > I've tested my batteries before, they looked good, but didn't have enough > punch to do the trick when in doubt, replace the battery with a fresh > one. Jeff > > On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 9:55 PM, Wayne Garrett wrote: > I have a 887 dual MDD that has a good pram battery, but still will not > save settings after the computer gets unplugged. Any thoughts? > > -- > Sent from my mobile device > > -- > If after new battery the problem persists I would disconnect every thing from the machine then depress the CUDA switch for 15 sec. It has worked for me. If after that then set Date And Time to Auto set. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Airport card in a G3 BW
On Dec 30, 2009, at 6:07 PM, Maretta Holden wrote: > At 8:11 PM -0700 12/28/2009, Kasey Smith wrote: >> On Dec 28, 2009, at 4:27 PM, Chance Reecher wrote: >> >>> Honestly, it's cheaper just to buy a 100ft ethernet cable than to get >>> an AirPort card. It'll be multiple times faster too. But yes, it is >>> possible to install the original AirPort B card in a B&W. >> >> Could you please explain how you would go about fitting one in? Does >> it get plugged into a spare IDE cable? There is NO airport card slot >> inside ANY G3 computers except the iBook and the iMac DV. > > My PowerBook 2000 (Pismo) has an installed > Airport card which greatly facilitates using it > at home and away from home.. > > Installing a 100 ft ethernet cable would have > required drilling holes to support stringing the > cable through the basement of my older house ... > not to mention needing at least a hub or > preferably a switch to share the connection with > other computers. > > - Maretta > I think this page will have what you need and much cheaper and faster than the old AirPort card. Everything they sell works. http://stn2.headgap.com/resale/FMPro?-token=13524714&-db=ProductsC.fp3&-lay=WEB&-format=items.htm&-sortfield=SortID&-Max=40&category=wireless&-find John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Happy New Year!
On Jan 1, 2010, at 10:00 AM, Dana Collins wrote: > On 1/1/10 11:26 AM, Dan of dantear...@gmail.com sent > >> Happy New Year, etc etc ! ! ! ! >> >> Now get a move on! Suck down that hangover cure then >> >> BACK UP YOUR DATA >> >> Do it TODAY. >> Don't Delay! >> JUST DO IT. >> >> CarbonCopyCloner >> <http://www.bombich.com/software/ccc.html> >> >> SuperDuper! >> <http://www.shirt-pocket.com/> >> >> The preceding has been brought to you by the brain cramps caused by >> watching too much Twilight Zone. Time to switch to Dr Who. Or maybe >> Buffy. Or maybe >> >> - Dan. > > Dr. Who, Season 3 highly recommended - avoid Buffy (after all, one wants two > steps forward without the one step back ;-) esp. today. > Happy New Year, > Dana > > Happy New Year All I recommend starting the year with a review of the Tarantino flicks and Queen on fire.:-) John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Dan's suggestion on backing up-Time Machine Query
On Jan 1, 2010, at 11:42 AM, DLC wrote: > ...which is a good one, but I started a new thread just to keep things > clean. > I like to BK my working OS (on my G5) using SuperDuper, which I've > done. However, I had a spare external FW drive that I tried Time > Machine on. It's been a little while, so tonight I may do it again. > However... the drive is only 200 Gig in size (remember the days when > that spec was regarded as "incredible"?), so I am wondering what to > expect, i.e. > > * does TM make a completely new duplicate image of your drive, or > * does it make refresher tags, updating the prior image to a more > contemporaneous state, and marking the changes? > > Thanks in advance for any illumination. > Regards, and Happy New Year, > Dana > > -- Complete copy and incremental there after, Very nice tool to have. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Dan's suggestion on backing up-Time Machine Query
On Jan 1, 2010, at 12:29 PM, Dan wrote: > At 11:42 AM -0800 1/1/2010, DLC wrote: >> I like to BK my working OS (on my G5) using SuperDuper, which I've >> done. However, I had a spare external FW drive that I tried Time >> Machine on. It's been a little while, so tonight I may do it again. >> However... the drive is only 200 Gig in size >> >> * does TM make a completely new duplicate image of your drive, or >> * does it make refresher tags, updating the prior image to a more >> contemporaneous state, and marking the changes? > > Time Machine adds your changed files to its "database" on that drive, > and makes note of which files you've deleted; essentially an > "incremental save set". It does not "update" the previously stored > data directly, like SuperDuper or CCC would. Remember - TM does NOT > produce a bootable system (clone). > >> (remember the days when that spec was regarded as "incredible"?) > > $999 for a 200 MB HD for my Mac IIci. > > And a few years later, $550 for a 2 GB HD. > > - Dan. > -- > - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. > $400. for 32 MB Ram for my Quadra 650. That was on sale at Fry's.$49.00 for 4 GBs on my MBP. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Dan's suggestion on backing up-Time Machine Query
On Jan 1, 2010, at 12:25 PM, Jeffrey Engle wrote: > > On Jan 1, 2010, at 12:10 PM, John Carmonne wrote: > >> >> On Jan 1, 2010, at 11:42 AM, DLC wrote: >> >>> ...which is a good one, but I started a new thread just to keep things >>> clean. >>> I like to BK my working OS (on my G5) using SuperDuper, which I've >>> done. However, I had a spare external FW drive that I tried Time >>> Machine on. It's been a little while, so tonight I may do it again. >>> However... the drive is only 200 Gig in size (remember the days when >>> that spec was regarded as "incredible"?), so I am wondering what to >>> expect, i.e. >>> >>> * does TM make a completely new duplicate image of your drive, or >>> * does it make refresher tags, updating the prior image to a more >>> contemporaneous state, and marking the changes? >>> >>> Thanks in advance for any illumination. >>> Regards, and Happy New Year, >>> Dana >>> >>> -- >> >> >> Complete copy and incremental there after, Very nice tool to have. >> >> >> John Carmonne >> Yorba Linda USA > > My backup scenario is as follows: > Powermac G5 2.3 dual, 5gb ram w/Seritek1V4 & G5 Jive and Leopard. > Main boot drive in the 'built-in" drive bay (A) 500gb > Misc. storage in "built-in" drive bay (B) 500gb > Boot drive clone in G5 Jive 500gb (seperate drive) > Time machine volume in G5 Jive 500gb (seperate drive) > Misc. storage clone in G5 Jive 500gb (Seperate drive) > > I know there are downsides to this setup, but can't really think of any at > the moment. Jeff > I too have a G5 dual 2.7 I have the Jive 5 stuff and am awaiting the dough for the Seritek 1V4 card I assume your TimeMachine is only backing up your A drive ( the top slot.)? The 2TB drives are coming down in price so I guess I'l bend over for a 10 TB 8 GB super box. However I have found I like Tiger better on the PPCs Except for watching DVDs. So I use a 250GB partition with Leopard and CCC for backups. Each day at 3:00 pm. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Dan's suggestion on backing up-Time Machine Query
On Jan 1, 2010, at 2:00 PM, Jeffrey Engle wrote: > > On Jan 1, 2010, at 1:29 PM, John Carmonne wrote: > >>> My backup scenario is as follows: >>> Powermac G5 2.3 dual, 5gb ram w/Seritek1V4 & G5 Jive and Leopard. >>> Main boot drive in the 'built-in" drive bay (A) 500gb >>> Misc. storage in "built-in" drive bay (B) 500gb >>> Boot drive clone in G5 Jive 500gb (seperate drive) >>> Time machine volume in G5 Jive 500gb (seperate drive) >>> Misc. storage clone in G5 Jive 500gb (Seperate drive) >>> >>> I know there are downsides to this setup, but can't really think of >>> any at the moment. Jeff >>> >> >> I too have a G5 dual 2.7 I have the Jive 5 stuff and am awaiting the >> dough for the Seritek 1V4 card >> I assume your TimeMachine is only backing up your A drive ( the top >> slot.)? The 2TB drives are coming >> down in price so I guess I'l bend over for a 10 TB 8 GB super box. >> However I have found I like Tiger >> better on the PPCs Except for watching DVDs. So I use a 250GB >> partition with Leopard and CCC for >> backups. Each day at 3:00 pm. >> >> John Carmonne >> Yorba Linda USA >> >> > Just be careful those TB drives have low power consumption? of course > you've got a 600w power supply... > and yes, time machine is only on the A slot (upper). If it wasn't for > screen sharing I'd go back to tiger. I bought a 1TB drive last year > and all was good till I needed to wipe the hummer with zeroes.. took a > long time... also if one goes down, that's a lot of info to retrieve. > I guess if the price drops, I'll reconsider my options. > Then again, maybe it'll be mac pro time! J > I hope this isn't too off topic but have you had any issues booting drives on the SerItek card. I really like Time Machine I need to mess with it on my G5 and see how to use it to benefit my Tiger drives also. It's great on my MBP but there's not too much choice there. Only have a 500 GB drive on it not much room for dual boot. I just checked OWC and they have the Seritek 1V4 card at $109.00 + $3.00 shipping = $112.00. so I ordered it. The best I could do locally was $149.00 + tax = $162.03. No tax frm OWC:-) John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: ACARD AEC-6280M Adaptor
On Jan 1, 2010, at 3:13 PM, themargate...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: > Followed the instructions here, it says its for a G4 cube but worked > just fine for my Quicksilver > > http://nanchatte.wordpress.com/2008/04/27/128gb-large-hdd-lba48-support-on-the-g4-cube-with-leopard/ Glad it worked for you I tried it on two TiBook 500s and no dice. 160 drive only read 128. I must have typed those strings 20 times before I gave up and installed a 120GB drive. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Which G?
On Jan 1, 2010, at 9:24 PM, Kasey Smith wrote: > > On Jan 1, 2010, at 9:59 PM, kimtoufectis wrote: > >> I'd like help in choosing an older Mac. I entered Macdom six months >> ago via an original blueberry clamshell iBook G3. Beyond an iconic >> product design, I've appreciated the simplicity and reliability of >> freedom from Micro$oft (I use a PC at work). I've enjoyed stretching >> it about as far as a 300 MHz processor can go (maxed out RAM and >> upgraded to OS X 10.2.8) but I'd like to be able to streaming low-fi >> video and use current web browser features; seems like time for >> something more. >> >> A bit about my computer usage: I am fairly non-tech; when my work >> Wintel machine fails an expert comes to fix it. At home I'm on my >> own; I like simple. My iBook serves mainly as a netbook: I use >> Gmail, >> Google Docs, and Google Reader for productivity and news, and >> Pandora, >> GrooveShark, LaLa, and Playlist to stream music. I don't make much >> use of social media, and real-time isn't a trend I have not had much >> interest in or need for (so far). I've tried Chrome with extensions >> on a Windows machine and think it could meet virtually all my routine >> computing needs. I even contemplate getting a netbook and >> migrating it >> to ChromeOS as a next step (maybe using JoliCloud and EyeOS until >> that's easy to do). >> >> Searching online showed me that for the $250-500 cost of a netbook I >> could step well forward in power with a used iMac (functioning >> MacBooks seem out of that pricerange). The architect in me >> appreciates the compact, elegant designs of both the G4 and G5 iMacs, >> and depending on age and screen size I find both in a tolerable >> $250-500 price range. Whatever I buy, I'd like to use it for a long, >> long time (this iBook turned 10 recently, and as a complement to a >> more capable desktop I want to continue to use it for light browsing >> for more years). >> >> With that as background: >> >> (1) What should I expect as the performance delta between the G4 and >> G5 in light usage, and does it justify the extra cost? Is the G4 >> advanced enough to serve me for several years, or will I soon need to >> step up again soon to keep up with internet trends? >> >> (2) I find OS X 10.4 on most G4s and 10.5 on more G5s; any >> guidance on >> which OS is most useable with each processor? >> >> (3) I'll need wifi but it isn't always installed; is it hard for a >> non- >> technical end user to install? Is a USB wifi router worth >> considering >> instead? >> >> (4) Given that I'm mostly okay with the 12 inch iBook screen, a 17 >> inch screen seems adequate; any great reason to go larger? >> >> (5) Wikipedia tells me there's variation in processor speed and >> features even within the G4 and G5 lines; faster and newer generally >> cost more. How important are the upgrades (700 v. 800 v. 1250 v. >> 1600 v 1800 v 2000 MHz? webcam? ambient light sensor? iSight?) and >> are they significant in choosing a machine I can use for the next >> several years? >> >> (6) Are there other Macs I should consider, (I don't want a CRT eMac, >> but maybe a Mini?) and if so why? >> >> I'm eager for your feedback-- > > I recommend an iMac G4 or a Mac Mini. I wouldnt go with an iMac G5 > because of how inefficient the G5 chip is. A G3 900MHz iBook > wouldn't be too bad either if you can find one for a good price. My > first Mac was a 333MHz iMac G3 (a little older then your iBook > actually.) > I own about one of every model made and if I could only have one it would be my G4 MDD dual 1.0 2GB 10.4.11 with a Cinema display and iSight cam. And for a PowerBook my MBP 2.4 4GB 10.5.8 but that's just me. John wtmm -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Which G?
On Jan 1, 2010, at 10:57 PM, Jonas Ulrich wrote: > I completely agree with John! My MDD DP 1GHZ is fantastic! I wouldn't go with > a G3 ibook any newer than the clamshell. After that they had bad video chips > and all sorts of stuff that will go wrong. I've had two G3 iBooks go bad: a > G3/700MHZ 14" and a G3/800 12". Both went with Motherboard and video issues, > and eventually DEATH. > > -Jonas > > On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 9:40 PM, JOHN CARMONNE wrote: > > On Jan 1, 2010, at 9:24 PM, Kasey Smith wrote: > > > > > On Jan 1, 2010, at 9:59 PM, kimtoufectis wrote: > > > >> I'd like help in choosing an older Mac. I entered Macdom six months > >> ago via an original blueberry clamshell iBook G3. Beyond an iconic > >> product design, I've appreciated the simplicity and reliability of > >> freedom from Micro$oft (I use a PC at work). I've enjoyed stretching > >> it about as far as a 300 MHz processor can go (maxed out RAM and > >> upgraded to OS X 10.2.8) but I'd like to be able to streaming low-fi > >> video and use current web browser features; seems like time for > >> something more. > >> > >> A bit about my computer usage: I am fairly non-tech; when my work > >> Wintel machine fails an expert comes to fix it. At home I'm on my > >> own; I like simple. My iBook serves mainly as a netbook: I use > >> Gmail, > >> Google Docs, and Google Reader for productivity and news, and > >> Pandora, > >> GrooveShark, LaLa, and Playlist to stream music. I don't make much > >> use of social media, and real-time isn't a trend I have not had much > >> interest in or need for (so far). I've tried Chrome with extensions > >> on a Windows machine and think it could meet virtually all my routine > >> computing needs. I even contemplate getting a netbook and > >> migrating it > >> to ChromeOS as a next step (maybe using JoliCloud and EyeOS until > >> that's easy to do). > >> > >> Searching online showed me that for the $250-500 cost of a netbook I > >> could step well forward in power with a used iMac (functioning > >> MacBooks seem out of that pricerange). The architect in me > >> appreciates the compact, elegant designs of both the G4 and G5 iMacs, > >> and depending on age and screen size I find both in a tolerable > >> $250-500 price range. Whatever I buy, I'd like to use it for a long, > >> long time (this iBook turned 10 recently, and as a complement to a > >> more capable desktop I want to continue to use it for light browsing > >> for more years). > >> > >> With that as background: > >> > >> (1) What should I expect as the performance delta between the G4 and > >> G5 in light usage, and does it justify the extra cost? Is the G4 > >> advanced enough to serve me for several years, or will I soon need to > >> step up again soon to keep up with internet trends? > >> > >> (2) I find OS X 10.4 on most G4s and 10.5 on more G5s; any > >> guidance on > >> which OS is most useable with each processor? > >> > >> (3) I'll need wifi but it isn't always installed; is it hard for a > >> non- > >> technical end user to install? Is a USB wifi router worth > >> considering > >> instead? > >> > >> (4) Given that I'm mostly okay with the 12 inch iBook screen, a 17 > >> inch screen seems adequate; any great reason to go larger? > >> > >> (5) Wikipedia tells me there's variation in processor speed and > >> features even within the G4 and G5 lines; faster and newer generally > >> cost more. How important are the upgrades (700 v. 800 v. 1250 v. > >> 1600 v 1800 v 2000 MHz? webcam? ambient light sensor? iSight?) and > >> are they significant in choosing a machine I can use for the next > >> several years? > >> > >> (6) Are there other Macs I should consider, (I don't want a CRT eMac, > >> but maybe a Mini?) and if so why? > >> > >> I'm eager for your feedback-- > > > > I recommend an iMac G4 or a Mac Mini. I wouldnt go with an iMac G5 > > because of how inefficient the G5 chip is. A G3 900MHz iBook > > wouldn't be too bad either if you can find one for a good price. My > > first Mac was a 333MHz iMac G3 (a little older then your iBook > > actually.) > > > I own about one of every model made and if I could only have one it > would be my G4 MDD d
Re: Which G?
On Jan 2, 2010, at 6:10 AM, kimtoufectis wrote: > Thanks, Jonas...it occurs to me that perhaps I don't see post- > clamshell iBooks for resale on eBay is that they have not survived to > the present day in similar proportions to their more robust > predecessors... > > As for your model G4, it sounds like a pretty rare bird, I have not > seen one like it for sale in a week of looking...that was a dual > processor G4? > > --Kim > > On Jan 2, 1:57 am, Jonas Ulrich wrote: >> I completely agree with John! My MDD DP 1GHZ is fantastic! I wouldn't go >> with a G3 ibook any newer than the clamshell. After that they had bad video >> chips and all sorts of stuff that will go wrong. I've had two G3 iBooks go >> bad: a G3/700MHZ 14" and a G3/800 12". Both went with Motherboard and video >> issues, and eventually DEATH. >> -Jonas >> >> On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 9:40 PM, JOHN CARMONNE wrote: >> >>>> On Jan 1, 2010, at 9:59 PM, kimtoufectis wrote: >> >>>>> I'd like help in choosing an older Mac... > > -- I've bought a lot of stuff from these folks, prices are fair and everything works as stated. Check the MDD list , also a real nice G5 iMac if you want an all in one box. http://resale.headgap.com/ John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Which G?
On Jan 2, 2010, at 6:10 AM, kimtoufectis wrote: > Thanks, Jonas...it occurs to me that perhaps I don't see post- > clamshell iBooks for resale on eBay is that they have not survived to > the present day in similar proportions to their more robust > predecessors... > > As for your model G4, it sounds like a pretty rare bird, I have not > seen one like it for sale in a week of looking...that was a dual > processor G4? > > --Kim > > On Jan 2, 1:57 am, Jonas Ulrich wrote: >> I completely agree with John! My MDD DP 1GHZ is fantastic! I wouldn't go >> with a G3 ibook any newer than the clamshell. After that they had bad video >> chips and all sorts of stuff that will go wrong. I've had two G3 iBooks go >> bad: a G3/700MHZ 14" and a G3/800 12". Both went with Motherboard and video >> issues, and eventually DEATH. >> -Jonas >> >> On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 9:40 PM, JOHN CARMONNE wrote: >> >>>> On Jan 1, 2010, at 9:59 PM, kimtoufectis wrote: >> >>>>> I'd like help in choosing an older Mac... > A consideration would be a G4 iMac flat panel (Flower Pot). A 1.GB processor and 1GB RAM with USB 2.0 ports is a pretty nice machine for an all in one and a real space saver. However for total functionality like Jonas, " tower boxes" are what I prefer, I can buy all the upgrades at Fry's and OWC so cheap compared to the original machine cost. The all in one's are limited usually to RAM upgrades, and occasional logic board swaps on models of the same basic series. They all do the basic stuff just some are a little faster. I would stay away from machines under 867 MHZ processors because a lot of late model software runs only on the faster machines, I know some will say they can do it anyway but I don't think the average bear wants to jump though fire rings. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Which G?
On Jan 2, 2010, at 7:21 AM, Dan wrote: > At 8:59 PM -0800 1/1/2010, kimtoufectis wrote: >> >> I am fairly non-tech; when my work Wintel machine fails an expert >> comes to fix it. >> >> At home I'm on my own; I like simple. My iBook serves mainly as a >> netbook: I use Gmail, Google Docs, and Google Reader for >> productivity and news, and Pandora, GrooveShark, LaLa, and Playlist >> to stream music. > >> Searching online showed me that for the $250-500 cost of a netbook I >> could step well forward in power with a used iMac (functioning >> MacBooks seem out of that pricerange). The architect in me >> appreciates the compact, elegant designs of both the G4 and G5 iMacs, >> [snip] >> (1) What should I expect as the performance delta between the G4 and >> G5 in light usage, and does it justify the extra cost? > > About what you'd expect from the clock speed difference. > >> Is the G4 advanced enough to serve me for several years, or will I >> soon need to >> step up again soon to keep up with internet trends? > > The G4 is a line of great PowerPC processors, perhaps the best ever > made; definitely has quite a few more years of life. > >> (2) I find OS X 10.4 on most G4s and 10.5 on more G5s; any guidance on >> which OS is most useable with each processor? > > Both Tiger and Leopard run great on either processor. Keep in mind > that Apple recently made it very difficult for developers to support > Tiger, so you're going to see more and more apps go Leopard/Snow > Leopard only. Because of that, I *strongly* recommend going to > Leopard. > I agree on the move to Leopard but I have found some glitches in Leopard on PPC Machines Specifically G5 2.7 dual and G4 MDD 1. dual the ripper program I have, Mac DVD Ripper Pro will not run on these machines. No problem on the Intel Macs. So I still keep both systems available I even boot 9 on the MDD. I need the 9 because of an application I use for my work that requires a dongle. The extenuation or it must load first in line at boot. > Regardless of which OS you use, be sure to throw in lots of memory. > 512 MB is about the minimum I recommend. OS X does so much better > with 1 GB+. > >> (4) Given that I'm mostly okay with the 12 inch iBook screen, a 17 >> inch screen seems adequate; any great reason to go larger? > > Bigger better faster more. It's amazing how you get used to one > screen size, then a few months after you migrate to something bigger > you wonder how you were ever happy with the smaller! LOL > >> (6) Are there other Macs I should consider, (I don't want a CRT eMac, >> but maybe a Mini?) and if so why? > > I'm not a big fan of the iMac G4, as I seem to be running into a lot > with neck failure and screen issues. The Mini G4 is nice but a PITA > to upgrade. The iMac G5 is nice; I see very few for repairs. > Nice to know about neck failures, are they tough to repair? Can you get more than 1GB Ram in the PPC Mini? > My personal preference is for the later models of Power Mac G4. > They're just so versatile, resilient (forgiving) and easy to futz in. > You mentioned that you're not an expert. Well, a PM G4 is an easy > system with which to learn... > > HTH, > - Dan. > -- > - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. > > -- > You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for > those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power > Macs. > The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette > guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Which G?
On Jan 2, 2010, at 12:33 PM, Kasey Smith wrote: > > On Jan 2, 2010, at 7:40 AM, John Carmonne wrote: > >> I've bought a lot of stuff from these folks, prices are fair and >> everything works as stated. >> Check the MDD list , also a real nice G5 iMac if you want an all in >> one box. >> >> http://resale.headgap.com/ >> >> John Carmonne >> Yorba Linda USA > > I'm not sure about their other products, but i know their ATi Rage > 128 and Radeon 7000 video cards are way overpriced (and probably the > rest of them too.) You can get the Rage 128 for $14.99 and they used > to have Radeon 7000 cards for around $20 compared to the $69.77 and > $99.77, respectively. Not that I don't like the headgap store, just > make sure you shop around first (i use google shopping.) > I agree with that, I use the store to be sure what I find here and there is going to work, and I too am price conscious. But for complete systems that are updated and guaranteed it's a good spot to check before buying off Craig's or even Ebay. They have some hard to find items. I would definitely check other sources if you know what you're looking at. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Which G?
On Jan 2, 2010, at 2:08 PM, Peter Kim wrote: > I've used the lampshade iMac G4 a good amount at the office, and I like it. > It fits neatly on a desk- small footprint, no clutter (except for the > external speakers). I would get one, but most don't have usb 2 for faster > loading of pictures from my camera. I don't think that you'll notice too > much difference between 10.4 or 10.5 for a few years, but for 10.5 you need a > G4 that runs at 867mhz or faster. My tiBook G4/867 runs 10.5 okay, though it > triggers the fans fairly often. I don't know if it was youtube or the move > to 10.5, but after installing 10.5, my tiBook had more hiccups when viewing > youtube videos. > I don't think the Utube vids are the problem. I think it's Leopard on PPC All the Video glitches I get seem to be on PPC Leopard However i put up with it because I like the Leopard DVD player. This happens on G4 and G5 PPC 10.5.8. Tiger is the do all end all for PPC G4 and G5. But that's just me. . > However, for $500, you are in used intel Mini land, which would be my choice > for many more years of light use. A G4 mini should work fine for you. > > > On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 10:59 PM, kimtoufectis wrote: > I'd like help in choosing an older Mac. I entered Macdom six months > ago via an original blueberry clamshell iBook G3. Beyond an iconic > product design, I've appreciated the simplicity and reliability of > freedom from Micro$oft (I use a PC at work). I've enjoyed stretching > it about as far as a 300 MHz processor can go (maxed out RAM and > upgraded to OS X 10.2.8) but I'd like to be able to streaming low-fi > video and use current web browser features; seems like time for > something more. > > A bit about my computer usage: I am fairly non-tech; when my work > Wintel machine fails an expert comes to fix it. At home I'm on my > own; I like simple. My iBook serves mainly as a netbook: I use Gmail, > Google Docs, and Google Reader for productivity and news, and Pandora, > GrooveShark, LaLa, and Playlist to stream music. I don't make much > use of social media, and real-time isn't a trend I have not had much > interest in or need for (so far). I've tried Chrome with extensions > on a Windows machine and think it could meet virtually all my routine > computing needs. I even contemplate getting a netbook and migrating it > to ChromeOS as a next step (maybe using JoliCloud and EyeOS until > that's easy to do). > > Searching online showed me that for the $250-500 cost of a netbook I > could step well forward in power with a used iMac (functioning > MacBooks seem out of that pricerange). The architect in me > appreciates the compact, elegant designs of both the G4 and G5 iMacs, > and depending on age and screen size I find both in a tolerable > $250-500 price range. Whatever I buy, I'd like to use it for a long, > long time (this iBook turned 10 recently, and as a complement to a > more capable desktop I want to continue to use it for light browsing > for more years). > > With that as background: > > (1) What should I expect as the performance delta between the G4 and > G5 in light usage, and does it justify the extra cost? Is the G4 > advanced enough to serve me for several years, or will I soon need to > step up again soon to keep up with internet trends? > > (2) I find OS X 10.4 on most G4s and 10.5 on more G5s; any guidance on > which OS is most useable with each processor? > > (3) I'll need wifi but it isn't always installed; is it hard for a non- > technical end user to install? Is a USB wifi router worth considering > instead? > > (4) Given that I'm mostly okay with the 12 inch iBook screen, a 17 > inch screen seems adequate; any great reason to go larger? > > (5) Wikipedia tells me there's variation in processor speed and > features even within the G4 and G5 lines; faster and newer generally > cost more. How important are the upgrades (700 v. 800 v. 1250 v. > 1600 v 1800 v 2000 MHz? webcam? ambient light sensor? iSight?) and > are they significant in choosing a machine I can use for the next > several years? > > (6) Are there other Macs I should consider, (I don't want a CRT eMac, > but maybe a Mini?) and if so why? > > I'm eager for your feedback-- John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Dan's suggestion on backing up-Time Machine Query
On Jan 2, 2010, at 5:49 PM, Jeffrey Engle wrote: > > On Jan 2, 2010, at 5:43 PM, Al Poulin wrote: > >> >> >> On Jan 1, 3:25 pm, Jeffrey Engle wrote: >> >>> My backup scenario is as follows: >>> Powermac G5 2.3 dual, 5gb ram w/Seritek1V4 & G5 Jive and Leopard. >>> Main boot drive in the 'built-in" drive bay (A) 500gb >>> Misc. storage in "built-in" drive bay (B) 500gb >>> Boot drive clone in G5 Jive 500gb (seperate drive) Not a volume >>> Time machine volume in G5 Jive 500gb (seperate drive) Not a volume >>> Misc. storage clone in G5 Jive 500gb (Seperate drive) Not a volume >>> >>> I know there are downsides to this setup, but can't really think of >>> any at the moment. Jeff >> >> Three separate external drives? Excellent! >> One downside here -- I do not detect off-site storage. What if your >> residence catches fire? Tornado comes through? >> >> Al Poulin > > > G5 Jive = 3 "internal" drives + 2 "built in" drives = total 5 internal 500gb > drives. :-) Jeff > Well Al ruined my day [:-) John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Dan's suggestion on backing up-Time Machine Query
On Jan 3, 2010, at 9:07 AM, Al Poulin wrote: > On Jan 2, 8:49 pm, Jeffrey Engle wrote: > >> >> G5 Jive = 3 "internal" drives + 2 "built in" drives = total 5 internal >> 500gb drives. :-) Jeff > > This scheme protects nicely against failure of individual hard drives, > but, no surge protector or UPS is bullet proof against a direct or > near direct lightning strike on the residence. Any electronic > component inside the computer or attached to it is vulnerable. It > would be better to put one or more of the internal drives into > external enclosures and to connect them ONLY when actually in the > backup process. And better yet is to place a copy of essential data > outside the residence. > > Al Poulin > I remember the day when a couple of 100 MB Zip's did the trick. The off site wireless services look like they may be a choice for mass storage but I'm leery at the moment. I'd want to really test their systems before I rely on them. In one of my offices an accountant insists on using DacEasy he has an offsite backup service, I've yet to see it restore data properly, they always have lost or mishandled his files not to mention the need to reinstall all applications again (they call those programs) Maybe too many Windoze people at the helm of those companies. I'd like to see a super Time Machine in the sky. But that's just me. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mac DVD Ripper Pro G4 PPC
On Jan 3, 2010, at 11:16 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: > > On Jan 3, 2010, at 11:12 AM, John Carmonne wrote: > >>> The G4 MDD began working with 10.5.8 and MDRP after an update yesterday how >>> ever the G5 is still >>> out. >>> >> Oh Oh I spoke too soon about the app working on PPC G4 10.5.8 Leopard. It >> ripped with out an error however the >> rip is bad it produced a worthless DVD. The toast app works fine on the PPC >> 10.5.8 with rips from 10.4.11 and rips from the Inel >> boxes. >> >>> This application even works on my iMac G3s >>> >>> Here is a copy of the system log for the MDRP failure on 10.5.8 PM G5 DP >>> 2.7 PPC >>> >>> >> > > > It looks like MDRP is making a system call that breaks. Have you sent these > logs to the developer? > > Are there crash reports? > The last rip I produced with the latest MDRP update from yesterday on the G4 MDD Leopard, ran without error. However the rip was bad . > Have you tried MacTheRipper? If your drive is flaky, producing these > problems, you should get errors with that app as well. > I used to use MTR but it was making too many bad rips. The MDRP is super on all systems except PPC Leopard. Same drives on all 6 machines 8 different drives will do the same deal. Just finished a Burn with PPC leopard on G4 MDD with a rip from Intel 10.6.2. DVD is good. I'm pretty sure the problem lies solely on the PPC Leopard rips. Hence a good reason to keep Tiger around in case of this occasional snafu. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Is this internal CD/DVD drive positively dead?
On Jan 3, 2010, at 8:30 PM, tonycd wrote: > Just got this computer, a dual 1.25 MDD for my son. Got it fired up > with Tiger. > > The machine, in general, screams (at least by my modest Quicksilver > standards). One problem now, and it's not small: the internal CD/DVD > drive will open and close, but it shows no signs of spinning a disk. I > put a disk in, I hear no activity, I see no desktop icon for the > inserted disk (seemingly irrespective of what it is). I checked the > snugness of the ATA and power connections, and I pushed the internal > PRAM button for 30 seconds while powered down and plugged in. No > difference. > > I have no idea whatsoever whether the drive worked before, and no way > to find out. System Profiler lists it as a Pioneer CD/DVD burner, > probably OEM (it seems like everything else in the machine is). > > Any reason to believe the drive isn't dead, and/or any remaining > tests, procedures or paramedic help I've not yet tried? > > Thanks, > Tony A couple of free things you can do. if you have an external DVD drive I would do an archive and install of Tiger to pretty much eliminate the software. Also most of the drives have a small activity light on the front of the housing if you put in a disk and hold the door open you should be able to see if there is any response on the light. Another thing I would do is put the drive in an enclosure or another machine to test it. they are easy to get out of the MDDs. You also might try the 66 bus on the optical drive if it is open. I run my drives in my MDD on the 66 bus. the factory puts them on the 33. But I have a G4 MDD 1.0 John Carmonne wtmm Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OWC Mercury Elite Pro is a Piece of Crap (was Re: Happy New Year!)
POSE! *NOT* UPDATING!) > G3/800 iBook running Tiger 10.4.9 (no NEED to update) > G3/450 B&W running Tiger 10.4.3 can dual boot into 9.2.2. This is a > spare machine which just hangs around in my living room in case of > emergencies and using it for the OWC drive was the first real use it > actually got, but it's a working, running Mac. ALL these Macs, AS THEY > ARE, meet the system requirements listed for the OWC Mercury Elite Pro. > > 1. There are no other nearby systems I could try -- my BF and I are in a > LDR (I'm in NJ, he's in NH) and I don't know anyone else who has Macs. I > did give him the Mercury Elite Pro but he said he wants to try it on one > of his Linux boxes (although he does have a dual 1GHz Quicksilver and a > G3/800 iBook) -- when he gets a chance, anyway. It could be weeks or > months before he even has time to take it out of the box. > > 2. No, I don't have another enclosure I could try -- my present external > backup -- yes, the one I was hoping to "move up from" when I bought the > OWC one -- is in an ancient LaCie enclosure my BF gave me in Aug 2007, > whose FW ports died circa Feb 2009 and now only works USB, and whose > bridge will only "see" drive which is 128 GB or smaller. Besides, if I > were to have removed the 500 GB HD out of the Mercury Elite Pro > enclosure, that would have voided the warranty and THEN if OWC had > refused to replace the thing or refund my money, it would have been MY > fault! I realize, I don't care about that NOW, and my boyfriend (who has > the mechanical ability I totally lack, and would have done it for me if > I'd asked him to while he was here) might very well just do that when he > gets to messing around with it at his house. > > In any event, the LaCie, knock on wood, ALWAYS WORKS even if it's slow > as molasses since the FW died on it, and by THIS time, after a few > months fighting with OWC, approaching climb-the-walls-desperate for a > bigger drive to put in it. But the LaCie, I've hooked it up to and used > it successfully with the Quicksilver, the iBook and the Mini. In fact it > was so good I wasn't going to throw it out if the Mercury Elite Pro had > worked out for me: I was just going to retire it and keep it in a drawer > "just in case." > > ~Yersinia. > > You need to put the drive in an enclosure with an Oxford chip and run DiskWarrior on it. After that if problem is still there. You have some magic on you machines. I can't count one HDD out of the ones I have that ever were a problem of the drive and not the format, and I have a hell of a lot of drives. OWCs products are the best you can buy any where. I've never had them balk at an RMA or fail to respond to my needs. As for LaCie now IMHO that's "crap". But that's just me. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA 25 kids all named Mac -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: anybody used this silenx fan 120mm in your MDD?
On Jan 4, 2010, at 5:50 PM, Jeffrey Engle wrote: > I bought one of these a while back just for kicks, and for some reason > I never got around to installing it any experiences? good/bad? Jeff > I've put fans in my cubes no trick or secret. Check the voltage with a $2.00 meter Then plug and play. Match polarity even if it's reversed in runs, only backwards.You said somewhere it has three wires. so I think it's a multi speed fan. It can't be any kind of mystery. What voltage does the MDD produce? John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: anybody used this silenx fan 120mm in your MDD?
On Jan 4, 2010, at 7:28 PM, Jeffrey Engle wrote: > I knew I was going to get stumped somewhere here... I bought a Craftsman > Multimeter a while back and I think I need to go to school to learn how to > use the darn thing... I would like to answer your question though. Jeff > On Jan 4, 2010, at 7:21 PM, John Carmonne wrote: > >> >> On Jan 4, 2010, at 5:50 PM, Jeffrey Engle wrote: >> >>> I bought one of these a while back just for kicks, and for some reason >>> I never got around to installing it any experiences? good/bad? Jeff >>> >> I've put fans in my cubes no trick or secret. Check the voltage with a $2.00 >> meter Then plug and play. >> Match polarity even if it's reversed in runs, only backwards.You said >> somewhere it has three wires. >> so I think it's a multi speed fan. It can't be any kind of mystery. What >> voltage does the MDD produce? >> >> John Carmonne >> Yorba Linda USA One thing about the new fangled millimeters is the require batteries so be sure it is working before you test the MDD. If you turn on the meter and set it to ohms then you will see action on the meter. Then set the meter to DCv 5 up volts and check. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: anybody used this silenx fan 120mm in your MDD?
On Jan 5, 2010, at 2:49 PM, John Martz wrote: > On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 5:42 PM, Jonas Ulrich > wrote: >> I didn't mean the fans firmware, I meant the MDD's firmware. >> -Jonas >> > > :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) > :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) > > Yes, I'm sure Bruce knew that is what you meant. > > What I believe he was trying to say is that there is no possible way > that the firmware on any computer could identify a particular type of > fan. Possibly it could differentiate between generic types of fans > i.e. those with a speed sensor versus those without. > > But even if it could, why would anyone bother? It's not a difference > that's worth the cost of the code to detect it IMO. Even if you > outsource them, programmer's ain't THAT cheap. (I hope ...) > What is the voltage to the fan?? I'll open mine and check what I have for juice if it will help you get yours going. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: anybody used this silenx fan 120mm in your MDD?
On Jan 5, 2010, at 3:41 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: > > On Jan 5, 2010, at 4:31 PM, John Carmonne wrote: > >> >> What is the voltage to the fan?? I'll open mine and check what I have for >> juice if it will help >> you get yours going. > > > > Also, what is the amperage or wattage of the fans in question...perhaps the > silenx fan needs more current than the MDD is providing, even if the voltage > is correct. > Good point I just had to up tick a adapter on a router that needed 1.5 amp and I kept failing with a 300ma even though the pilot light reported. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Time machine "or" CCC?
On Jan 5, 2010, at 9:50 PM, Jeffrey Engle wrote: > Thought of something... anybody know if time machine and CCC can run at the > same time? Jeff > -- > Yes John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: A group for IBOOKS
On Jan 6, 2010, at 4:37 PM, Jorge Quiroz wrote: Only G3 iBooks and powerbooks, G4 machines have their own list On 6, Jan, 2010, at 9:22 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Jan 6, 2010, at 5:09 PM, Robert Long wrote: I have been emailing about my G3 but I wonder is there a group like this for IBOOKS? I have a few issues for that also. Thanks There's the Gbooks list which covers all G3 and G4 Powerbooks and iBooks. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs I was told that the G book list only goes to Panther so because My WallStreet is running Tiger I should change lists, So the person was nice enough to help me off list . Very good help I might add. XPostFacto is a super tool for G3 PDQs John Carmonne wtmm -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OS 9.2.2 -- is there a way to use modern inkjet (Lexmark 9500 series) ?
On Jan 7, 2010, at 12:03 AM, Tim Renner wrote: > Hi all, it's my first post. Hope you can help. > > I love enabling my mom to use her G4 with OS 9.2.2 and nineties era Microsoft > Word, but her old printer died and we scored an All-in-One printer very > cheap. When we got it home I realized, duh, there's no way in *heck* that the > new Lexmark 9575 is going to have a driver for OS9. Works great with her > windows machine though. I briefly flirted with using "Print Driver Utility" > or some such beast to generate a Chooser device to direct LPT protocol print > jobs toward a fixed IP address, but wasn't able to get it to work. Is this a > viable tactic? Is there another solution? > > Thanks for your brilliant and knowledgeable responses! > Tim > > P.S. Upgrading to OSX is one possibility, but way outside the comfort zone of > her writing workflow. It would probably be a Panther system, according to my > research about how far to go with the hardware: G4 Sawtooth, 350MHz CPU / AGP > / 320 MB RAM. > Hi Tim great topic I have a Lexmark 120n that I use on Tiger running Classic it works very well on most applications ,The only one that I have a problem with is Page Maker and an up grade of that I think would fix it.. The web site has some OS9 drivers. As for Panther it's good but Tiger is better just make sure to check for firmware updates before installation. Also max out the ram. John Carmonne wttm Yorba Linda USA 25 kids all named Mac -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OS 9.2.2 -- is there a way to use modern inkjet (Lexmark 9500 series) ?
On Jan 7, 2010, at 8:29 AM, Baha Ata wrote: > it is G4 350, limit of Tiger recommendation... > > Definetly disable spotlight and dashboard. > > How do I disable Dashboard and Spotlight, I just got Tiger running on a Wally 300 512 and want to optimize it. > > 2010/1/7 Bruce Johnson > > On Jan 7, 2010, at 5:41 AM, Baha Ata wrote: > > i recommend 10.3 with 1.5 GB Ram or at least 756 Ram. > > > > Recommending 10.3 for any but very specific compatibility issues is a bad > idea, IMHO. It's becoming increasingly incompatible with the modern OS X > world. > > > > > -- > Bruce Johnson > University of Arizona > College of Pharmacy > Information Technology Group > > Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs > > > John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: USB Death...
On Jan 8, 2010, at 1:51 PM, Gottick International wrote: > Folks, > > Installed X.5 on an otherwise booming but problem-free Quicksilver and my > extra, two-slot ,USB card jsut died. I've tried the basic crap like shaking, > moving and so on, and nothing works. What can be the problem? > > A > -- > > What does 10.5 have for a PPC machine that Tiger fails to provide. Leopard is > an Intel system Although it will run on PPC it's too shaky for me, especially with DVD issues on G4 G5 G3. Burt that's just me. !0.4.11 is the best system Apple has made to date, Time machine is nice but not foolproof yet. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: FYI: Lite-On iHAP422 CD/DVD drive won't fit in MDD.
On Jan 8, 2010, at 8:25 PM, Alex Smith (K4RNT) wrote: > I was able to remove the front bezel off the Smurf tower and install a > DVD-ROM into my Blue & White G3 without removing the drive's front > bezel, if that's good for anything... :) > > Optical drive in question was a Samsung. > > On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 21:42, Bruce wrote: >> >> tonycd wrote: >>> >>> Door is too wide to fit through the MDD faceplate, even after >>> elaborate surgery. >>> >>> Back to Pioneer. >> >> == >> Hello, >> >> Also, if necessary, you remove the bezel from the front of the new drive. > For what it's worth I have a G4 MDD that I have installed two Pioneer drives in. The Liteon Pioneer and Samsung are all the same when it comes to the bezel on the tray, they MUST be removed to operate in the Machine. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: replacement
On Jan 9, 2010, at 11:14 AM, Norm wrote: > My G4 gigabit has stopped working. I have an OWC 1000gz processor and 2 > gigabytes of ram. Also an ATI 9800 mac pro video board. When it turns on the > power button does nothing. It will boot into open firmware. When I type > "reset nvram then reset all" it cycles back to open firmware. If I type > "boot" I get an immediate kernal panic. The power button does nothing. Have > to unplug and then replug. I have 3 hard drives and a firewire drive. I'm > hopping that all my files are intact. I assume I must replace the logic board > or the mac. Which G4 would allow me to plug in my hard drives? I'm using OS > 10.5.8 and would like to purchase an intel mac but find the price > prohibitive. Mac was running very well until about 4 days ago. > Update: I hold down the "T" key and now have a screen with a nuclear sign. > The re-set button now restarts the mac into open firmware. Again if I type > reset-nvram then reset-all the mac restarts in open firmware. If I type > "boot" it restarts but goes to a kernal panic. So I seem to have my ATI 9800 > Mac pro working and parts of my main boars. I have 4 ram sticks which I have > tried one at a time. > Again, what should I do about replacing my Mac? > Norm > -- Because you can start in target mode with the machine connected to a booted Mac via FireWire then you can reinstall the system on the G4 Gigabit. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: USB Death...
On Jan 10, 2010, at 7:06 AM, Gottick International wrote: >>> more info on this OPTi page says it should be compatible, AFAIK: >>> http://www.opti.com/html/usb1394.html >>> >>> Perhaps removing it from your machine, starting the machine up and running >>> for awhile, then re-install the card would get the new OS X.5 to pick up >>> the card. Or just move it to another PCI slot? (similar re-install idea). >> >> This worked a while back for a two port USB2 card with an NEC chipset, and >> its not even meant for Mac. It was causing the video not to work most of the >> time and the boot sound to sound like a skipping CD, but after running the >> machine a few days without it and putting it back in (i need USB2 as my one >> USB 1.1 port is dead) it works fine! > > Sounds absolutely voodoo. Will try it. > >> > > __ > Anders Fager > Gottick International > www.gottick.com > > I have a G4 MDD dual boot 10.4.11 and 10.5.8 I installed a PCI USB 2.0 4 port card and it works fine on both systems. I would install Tiger and see if the card still works. Maybe the slot is dirty I saw a product called DeOxit that a G4 Book list member used to clean RAM slots in his G4 Aluminum PB that worked. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: PayPal: Yea or Nay?
On Jan 10, 2010, at 8:47 AM, Dan wrote: > At 9:52 PM -0800 1/8/2010, Michael G.M. wrote: >> How about use gift cards instead? >> They're available for eBay's, Amazon's, iTunes', Applebees'. > > Gift cards could be interesting, if both parties are willing. > > I would think they aren't much more secure than sending cash, because they're > negotiable by anyone. > > What about verifying their validity and value - can that be done easily, > perhaps online? > > heh. iTunes Gift Cards. Whole new realm of possibilities there, as you can > buy them steeply discounted on eBay. I wonder how many of those auctions are > bogus? > > Personally, I might be willing to accept a gift card to a place I frequent - > like Wal Mart. No use for cards from other places tho. I really prefer real > money. That way I can throw it at whatever needs the most attention - > pharmacy, grocery store, pharmacy, pharmacy, ... > > - Dan. > -- > - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. Dan, OWC is my choice pharmacies are detrimental to your health. From former addict reformed to a Mac addict. Once an addict always an addict, LOL John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Keyboard + Spillage = Fatal?
I would try to clean it up. I think when you said "drink" you mean something other than water, which would be pretty easy to blow out and dry up. What you are facing I'm afraid is sugar, oil or some other foreign material that will need to be flushed away. After that maybe you can dry and clean it. Key boards can be had on eBay so all is not lost :) On Jan 13, 2010, at 5:33 AM, Richard Gerome wrote: > >You can do 2 things: 1) Go buy some electrics cleaner (about $7 for a > large can at Home Depot) and soak it down and then blow it off... 2) Buy a > new keyboard... They are not too hard to replace!!! A friend of mine did this > with her Dell Insperion 1525 and her computer barely worked at all (it got > into the HD too) so I got the manuals online (down loaded PDF file) to take > it apart, I cleaned everything with electronics cleaner (or fine tuner > cleaner), put it all back together and the only thing I couldn't get working > was the keyboard... So for $1 (brand new) on ebay we found one and plugged it > in and it's been working ever since!!! All total with the PDF file manual and > the keyboard came to about $17, Dell wanted $238 to fix it... I get Apple > repair manuals for free, you just have to search all the websites that come > up!!! I had to pay for the Dell ones... > > > > > -Original Message- > From: Evan Thomas > Sent: Jan 13, 2010 5:04 AM > To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > Subject: Keyboard + Spillage = Fatal? > > > My wife spilt a drink over my Apple Pro keyboard. Now I can't type anything > although certain keys activate desktop shortcuts - P for Print (i think) V or > F for find etc, etc. When I click an application in the dock it opens an > applications window with all apps in a list rather than run the application > for me. Have I flicked into some kind of 'mode' whilst mopping up my > keyboard? Are these things usually fatal? > > Cheers. > > -- > http://happywarriors.co.uk/ > http://twitter.com/happywarriors > > John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Keyboard + Spillage = Fatal?
After the wash trick put the key board in a plastic bag immersed in white rice of 2 days, the rice will absorb the water. Works for me, honest. On Jan 13, 2010, at 6:28 AM, Len wrote: >> On Jan 13, 2010, at 3:04 AM, Evan Thomas wrote: >> >>> >>> My wife spilt a drink over my Apple Pro keyboard. Now I can't type anything >>> although certain keys activate desktop shortcuts - P for Print (i think) V >>> or F for find etc, etc. When I click an application in the dock it opens an >>> applications window with all apps in a list rather than run the application >>> for me. Have I flicked into some kind of 'mode' whilst mopping up my >>> keyboard? Are these things usually fatal? >>> >>> Cheers. > On Jan 13, 2010, at 9:21 AM, Kasey Smith wrote: > >> Try wrapping the cord around the keyboard and plugging it into one of the >> USB plugs to protect it, then put it on the to rack of you dishwasher and >> run it on the shortest cycle with no soap and the coldest water possible. > > Keys down and air dry, no heat. > > Then you need to leave the keyboard upside down for a couple of days to > THOROUGHLY dry out before you plug it in. > > Len > > -- > You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for > those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power > Macs. > The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette > guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: How to clone existing OS X/9.2.1 installation to a bigger drive
On Jan 13, 2010, at 9:14 AM, deadwinter wrote: > Hi folks: > > I'm looking for help in essentially what the subject says. I have a > Beige Desktop G3 which I just upgraded with a Sonnet Encore, and added > RAM. Now I am trying to upgrade the hard drive. The kicker, however, > is that I have both OS9 and OS X 10.2 on there, and I no longer have > the media for either. > > This article (http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/G3-Zone/IDE/) seems to > indicate that I would need to create two partitions in the new drive, > and that I'd need to do a fresh install of OS 10.2 into that first > (smaller than 8GB !) partition. Then I could clone the old OS 9 > partition into the new drive. > > Of course, I can't do the former, as I don't have the media for 10.2. > I have 10.4, but that would mean I'd need XPostFacto in there, and I'd > rather do that after the hard drive upgrade. > > Does anyone have any ideas as to how this may be accomplished? Do I > just try to hunt down someone with the old 10.2 CDs? > > Best Regards: > > -carlos rodriguez > I just got done doing this on a WallStreet 300 512. I would just go with the XPostFacto and Tiger right out of the gate. I did like you want and started with 10.2.8 but by the time the sun went down I had 10.4.11 and 9.2.2 on the first 7.7 GB partition and 9.2.2 on a second partition just for laughs, it really doesn't need the extra OS9 partition but it made me feel better about it because this was my first XPostFacto attempt, what a piece of cake:) The 9.2.2 can be just a finder copy but CCC makes it easy. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: copper tape replacement
On Jan 13, 2010, at 8:22 PM, mark ray wrote: my G4 iMac's optical drive died, so I replaced it and upgraded to a larger hard drive as well, There is a perforated metal cage on the front bottom of the optical drive that is held to the drive with copper "tape" 6" long and 3/4" wide. it has lost it stickiness. is there anything I can use to adhere it back to the drive. Or is there a replacement "tape" available? Thanks. mark ray bluellama...@embarqmail.com . It's KAPTON TAPE ULINE 800-295=5510 uline.com. This is the stuff http://www.uline.com/BL_6407/Kapton-Tape John -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: copper tape replacement
On Jan 13, 2010, at 8:22 PM, mark ray wrote: my G4 iMac's optical drive died, so I replaced it and upgraded to a larger hard drive as well, There is a perforated metal cage on the front bottom of the optical drive that is held to the drive with copper "tape" 6" long and 3/4" wide. it has lost it stickiness. is there anything I can use to adhere it back to the drive. Or is there a replacement "tape" available? Thanks. mark ray bluellama...@embarqmail.com It's KAPTON TAPE ULINE 800-295=5510 uline.com. This is the stuff http://www.uline.com/BL_6407/Kapton-Tape -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: copper tape replacement
On Jan 13, 2010, at 8:57 PM, mark ray wrote: >>> >>> >>>> my G4 iMac's optical drive died, so I replaced it and upgraded to a larger >>>> hard drive as well, There is a perforated metal cage on the front bottom >>>> of the optical drive that is held to the drive with copper "tape" 6" long >>>> and 3/4" wide. it has lost it stickiness. is there anything I can use to >>>> adhere it back to the drive. Or is there a replacement "tape" available? >>>> Thanks. >>>> >>>> mark ray >>>> bluellama...@embarqmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>>> It's KAPTON TAPE ULINE 800-295=5510 uline.com. >>>> >>> >>> >>> This is the stuff >>> >>> http://www.uline.com/BL_6407/Kapton-Tape >>> >> >> No, it's not that Kapton tape, which is based on polymide film. There is, I >> believe, some Kapton tape that has EMI/EFI capabilities, but Mark is correct >> when he says copper tape. That's what is used in every iMac G4 I've been >> inside. >> >> Jim Scott-- > > Found these as well: > > JVCC CFL-5CA Copper Foil Tape (Conductive Adhesive): > > and > > DiMarzio Copper Shielding Tape, 24""x3-1/2"" > > I'll have to check locally and see if someone carries it, I will never (oh I > really hope not) use 36 YARDS of this stuff. If not Hello LEM swap list! > > > mark ray > bluellama...@embarqmail.com Why do you want to use conductive tape? You want to short your board? John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: copper tape replacement
On Jan 13, 2010, at 9:06 PM, Richard Gerome wrote: > > I'm pretty sure this tape is to shield it from static electricity??? > Electricity takes the shortest path to ground so it would follow the tape and > not zap the HD...So this is why it would be used!!! > > > > > -Original Message- >> From: John Carmonne >> Sent: Jan 14, 2010 12:01 AM >> To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: copper tape replacement >> >> >> On Jan 13, 2010, at 8:57 PM, mark ray wrote: >> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> my G4 iMac's optical drive died, so I replaced it and upgraded to a >>>>>> larger hard drive as well, There is a perforated metal cage on the front >>>>>> bottom of the optical drive that is held to the drive with copper "tape" >>>>>> 6" long and 3/4" wide. it has lost it stickiness. is there anything I >>>>>> can use to adhere it back to the drive. Or is there a replacement "tape" >>>>>> available? Thanks. >>>>>> >>>>>> mark ray >>>>>> bluellama...@embarqmail.com >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> It's KAPTON TAPE ULINE 800-295=5510 uline.com. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> This is the stuff >>>>> >>>>> http://www.uline.com/BL_6407/Kapton-Tape >>>>> >>>> >>>> No, it's not that Kapton tape, which is based on polymide film. There is, >>>> I believe, some Kapton tape that has EMI/EFI capabilities, but Mark is >>>> correct when he says copper tape. That's what is used in every iMac G4 >>>> I've been inside. >>>> >>>> Jim Scott-- >>> >>> Found these as well: >>> >>> JVCC CFL-5CA Copper Foil Tape (Conductive Adhesive): >>> >>> and >>> >>> DiMarzio Copper Shielding Tape, 24""x3-1/2"" >>> >>> I'll have to check locally and see if someone carries it, I will never (oh >>> I really hope not) use 36 YARDS of this stuff. If not Hello LEM swap list! >>> >>> >>> mark ray >>> bluellama...@embarqmail.com >> >> Why do you want to use conductive tape? You want to short your board? >> >> >> John Carmonne >> Yorba Linda USA >> >> >> O O All the machines I have opened have the Kapton Poly tape. I got on to it from Bob at HeadGap. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: copper tape replacement
On Jan 14, 2010, at 11:16 AM, Jim Scott wrote: > > On Jan 14, 2010, at 10:49 AM, John Carmonne wrote: > >> >> On Jan 14, 2010, at 8:15 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: >> >>> >>> On Jan 13, 2010, at 10:01 PM, John Carmonne wrote: >>> >>>> Why do you want to use conductive tape? You want to short your board? >>>> >>> >>> Apple uses a conductive copper tape in many products to provide EM >>> shielding. >>> >>> The clear, orange kapton tape is also very common in Macs which is what >>> you're talking about. >>> >>> -- >>> Bruce Johnson >>> University of Arizona >>> College of Pharmacy >>> Information Technology Group >>> >>> Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs >> >> >> Thanks Burce >> >> And again I must fall on my sword, Some day i'll get it right. >> >> >> John Carmonne >> Yorba Linda USA > > How many times have you fouled up falling on your sword? :^) > > Jim Scott Snarky Jim At least my text is now correct. I promise to engage brain and read the complete thread from now on. But I get excited when I think I know the answer, more than most do, I think:-) John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: replacing spotlight
On Jan 14, 2010, at 12:19 PM, brettallica wrote: > I'm assuming you're not fond apple+F from Finder. I use that > exclusively (I don't really like Spotlight, but I don't hate it > either). I'll buy that It works for me on any machine. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 Mac OS 10.3 to 10.4 or 10.5?
On Jan 15, 2010, at 6:20 PM, Bill Connelly wrote: > > On Jan 15, 2010, at 4:03 PM, Dana Collins wrote: > >> On 1/15/10 12:26 PM, stevo137 of stevo...@hotmail.com sent >> >>> I have a G4 mac, 400 Mb processor, 1 gb memory. It has a os 10.3 >>> panther Os. Can I upgrade to 10.5 or do I have to upgrade to 10.4 >>> tiger? >> >> Hello Steve, >> Been following this short thread. As the others have sagely suggested: > > I cloned a 10.5 onto my dual DA 533 and it works ok. > > Tiger is supposedly faster than Panther, isn't it? > > If the G4 in question has an AGP video, it (10.5) should at least work, > shouldn't it? > > I would go with Tiger. G4 400 is too slow for 10.5.8 I have 3 G4 cubes with 10.4.11 they work great but Leopard really doesn't like them IMHO. The only way you can get Leopard on it is CCC real slow about 4 hours easy PITA. Unless you have a program that absolutly has to have 10.5 stick to Tiger John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 Mac OS 10.3 to 10.4 or 10.5?
On Jan 16, 2010, at 1:04 AM, Kris Tilford wrote: > On Jan 16, 2010, at 2:38 AM, Peter Kim wrote: > >> I have 10.5 running on my TiBook/867, and it works, but it's working hard. >> Things are not as snappy, and the fans run fairly often. There are features >> that you can turn off, and other things you can do to help, but I would stay >> away from 10.5 unless you like being patient. > > As I've said before, I agree with this. Leopard seems around 20% slower than > Tiger on all my PPC Macs, and I've had to downgrade a 1.67 GHz G4 aluminum > PowerBook for a friend who said his Adobe Photoshop was TOO SLOW in Leopard, > but USABLE in Tiger. It's not just me, others notice this slowness, and both > Xbench and GeekBench result archives will confirm Leopard is slower on PPC > Macs. > > I vote 10.4 Tiger for certain for all PCC Macs with the possible exception of > the faster multi-CPU G5 PowerMacs. I have a dual boot G5 Dual 2.7 PowerMac 10.5.8 10.4.11 The Leopard runs good on it but I still have rip and toast issues with all my PPC machine running Leopard. I say Leopard is an Intel system. It does have some nice features but you really need the dual processors if you're going with PPC. but that's just me. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OSX5 vs. OSX4
On Jan 16, 2010, at 5:56 AM, Tom Field wrote: > I have a G5 running 10.4.11 and 10.5.8 on partiitions. When I > converted several postscript files into pdfs and combined them w/ 4.11 > (and earlier -- it's an ongoing project), I always got a roughly 498 > page file of about 13 MB. > > Apparently mistaken, I thought 5.8 would run faster. (But I didn't > notice that ran slower, either.) Anyway, I got an interesting result > (using the same Acrobat 8 application that resides on one of the > partitions); the file is 5 MB. > > I re-did another project of essentially the same size that had already > been completed using 4.11 and got the same result. > > As far as I can *see*, the two .pdfs are exactly the same except that > one takes up less than 40% as much disk space. > > This may have something to do with whether the font is embedded (Times > New Roman) in one file but not the other,. If so, it's not because I > altered the system font files. They are exactly the same as when the > systems were installed. > > An explanation would be nice, but, that aside, this is a notable > difference between OSX4 and OSX5 (if others can duplicate it). > > Tom Field >From what I have read Snow Leopard can reduce the space needed to store the >files. I have not actually experience that but I guess maybe 10.5.8 does this >as well. One problem I'm having with Snow Leopard is getting AppleWorks 6 to create pdfs. Almost all my written files are AppleWorks all the way up from Claris 2.0: (I guess I just dated myself :-] ) John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 Mac OS 10.3 to 10.4 or 10.5?
On Jan 16, 2010, at 6:44 AM, Geke wrote: > I agree with the general public here. My G4 Digital Audio 466, with > 1.25 gb RAM now, runs smoothly on 10.4.11, but I wouldn’t want it to > get any slower. > > The speed curve on PPCs went up until Tiger, but after that it went > down again, meaning that Tiger is faster than Panther, but Leopard is > slower than Tiger. > > If you can give specific reasons why you would want to upgrade to > 10.5, people can give more detailed advice, or alternative solutions > that work in 10.4. Speaking in general, I think 10.4.11 is the sweet > spot for your Mac. > > > stevo137 wrote: >> I have a G4 mac, 400 Mb processor, 1 gb memory. It has a os 10.3 >> panther Os. Can I upgrade to 10.5 or do I have to upgrade to 10.4 >> tiger? Stevo Is there a program you have to have 10.5 for? I just put 10.5.8 on one of my doctors G4 700 iMac's PITA 5 hours With CCC but they have a scheduling app that also runs on their new Intel G5 iMacs and has to have 10.5, otherwise Tiger is the ruler on the PPCs. Leopard has some nice features. Spaces is one But like I said before don't try to rip and burn It doesn't work on any of my PPC machines Single or dual. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OSX5 vs. OSX4
On Jan 17, 2010, at 3:58 AM, Tom Field wrote: > On Jan 16, 9:40 am, John Carmonne wrote: >>> From what I have read Snow Leopard can reduce the space needed to store the >>> files. I have not actually experience that but I guess maybe 10.5.8 does >>> this as well. > -- May well be true. The most obvious explanation is usually correct. > >>> One problem I'm having with Snow Leopard is getting AppleWorks 6 to create >>> pdfs. Almost all my written files are AppleWorks all the way up from Claris >>> 2.0: (I guess I just dated myself > -- Speaking of dating yourself, I've been using WriteNow since the > beginning (but after upgrading to 4 went back to 3). It has no > capacity to make pdfs directly, but, if you print to file, you get > postscript files. If you can save .ps files, those will open with > Preview; when you close them, they will be saved as pdfs. I've been > doing this for years and never had a problem. True, two steps, but it > beats bloatware. You don't *need* Acrobat unless you're combining > pdfs and v.5 works fine for simple jobs like that. (BTW, I tried doing > it more directly using Acrobat8; didn't work immediately and I didn't > Try to pursue it.) > > Tom Field > At the headwaters of the Merrimac Sound like something I can do because I can never turn loose of my Classics John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: An OSX4.11 vs 5.8 sleep mystery
On Jan 17, 2010, at 5:56 AM, Tom Field wrote: > As already explained, I run 4.11 and 5.8 on G5 partitions. > > When I put the G5 to sleep in 4.11, weird stuff happened. It wouldn't > wake, and, after a time, the fans began to ROAR. Running 5.8, no > problem! > > I also have two G4s running 4.11. One sleeps and wakes w/ no problems; > the other does not. The first has an airport card, the second and my > G5 both have ASUS wi-fi dongles (802.11g-54Mbps). I also have a > Linksys, 54 Mbps. > > So I tried my G5 4.11 partition w/o the dongle. As I hoped, no sleep > problems. So I can solve them by disconnecting & reconnecting the > dongle. > > I wonder what others who have complained about sleep issues are using > for wi-fi. > > I also wonder if anyone has an idea about what might solve the 4.11 > problem without fiddling w/ the dongle. I intend to ask ASUS about > this, but answers may never come. > > Tom Field > I have a WIFI 802.11n dongle that I just fired up on my Cheese Grater 2.7 Dual in 10.4.11 and I want to see if I get the same results:-) John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MS Office (Word) & memory question
On Jan 17, 2010, at 7:21 AM, Arnel Tuazon wrote: > Hey folks, > > I have a 2.3GHZ dual core G5 running Leopard (latest) and 5.5 GB of RAM. > I've been having trouble with MS Office 2008 (w/latest update) especially in > Word when working with a document containing graphics. My situation last > night: > > I was working in MS Word on a document containing 2 images. My font sizes > were from 12 to 28 (Candara and Snell Rounded). The document was about > 1.1MB in size. I also had another doc opened that I was using for > information. > I had Safari opened as I was searching for images. > I had Entourage opened as the other Word doc was sent to me via e-mail. > I had Fireworks opened as I was editing the graphics used in the doc. > > I noticed that Word was getting slower than usual. With the two docs opened > I couldn't seem to switch between the two docs; I could only see the one on > top (I could still switch between apps). I tried to preview the main doc I > was working on and I kept getting an error message saying that I was out of > memory...I have 5.5 GB! Then Word would crash (luckily I saved the docs). > With 5.5GB of RAM I thought that would be enough to handle all the apps I > had opened. > > 2008 seems to be more buggy than 2004. I also noticed that in 2008 when I > am choosing an art motif for my borders the list of art borders scrolls at a > turtle's pace. > > Anyone know what's going on or how to speed up MS Office? 5.5GB should be > enough right? BTW I did a full run of Apple Jack just in case, to clear out > my caches and tune up the G5. > > In can feel the snarking comming, But I say your problem is Leopard on a PPC I have a PM G5 2.7 Dual 6GB and a lot of stuff has problems on the 10.5.8 partition espeacialy when images are involved. I would fire up in Tiger and see if the trouble still exists, unless you have an app that requires Leopard I find it's just not for PPc machines. But that's just me:-) Tiger rules on PPC. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: An OSX4.11 vs 5.8 sleep mystery
On Jan 17, 2010, at 6:47 AM, John Carmonne wrote: > > On Jan 17, 2010, at 5:56 AM, Tom Field wrote: > >> As already explained, I run 4.11 and 5.8 on G5 partitions. >> >> When I put the G5 to sleep in 4.11, weird stuff happened. It wouldn't >> wake, and, after a time, the fans began to ROAR. Running 5.8, no >> problem! >> >> I also have two G4s running 4.11. One sleeps and wakes w/ no problems; >> the other does not. The first has an airport card, the second and my >> G5 both have ASUS wi-fi dongles (802.11g-54Mbps). I also have a >> Linksys, 54 Mbps. >> >> So I tried my G5 4.11 partition w/o the dongle. As I hoped, no sleep >> problems. So I can solve them by disconnecting & reconnecting the >> dongle. >> >> I wonder what others who have complained about sleep issues are using >> for wi-fi. >> >> I also wonder if anyone has an idea about what might solve the 4.11 >> problem without fiddling w/ the dongle. I intend to ask ASUS about >> this, but answers may never come. >> >> Tom Field >> > I have a WIFI 802.11n dongle that I just fired up on my Cheese Grater 2.7 > Dual in 10.4.11 and I want to see if I get the same results:-) > > John Carmonne > Yorba Linda USA My machine is not having this problem I've been messing with the sleep and dongle for 3+ hours today, so I would start by reinstalling the system and see if it does the trick> John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OT iMac advice needed
On Jan 20, 2010, at 9:58 PM, Kasey Smith wrote: > > On Jan 20, 2010, at 10:48 PM, Jim Scott wrote: > >> The manual eject button for the slotload DVD/CD/CDRW drive is on the far >> right of the slot. Or you can reboot and hold down the keyboard eject key >> and/or the mouse button. All three should work. > > I didn't know these had manual buttons. I would like to add that you can also > use two credit cards to 'grab' the disc and pull it out. (look on youtube for > CD stuck in slot load drive or something like that...) Now that's my kinda fix:-) John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?
On Jan 21, 2010, at 12:08 PM, Mac User #330250 wrote: > Hello fellows of the G-Group! > > I was just thinking about the future. I've just made an old G3 B&W working > again (it was wasting space and picking up dust for about two years or more) > and it is now in my office. I've installed Tiger and it is just okay working > with it, in other words: it is slow. > > Where was I? Ah, thinking about the future... > Apparently Apple has finally dropped all support for Tiger. That was > forseeable, it doesn't come as a surprise. > > I am wondering: I read so many postings here about people buying or working > with Power Macs and G3/G4-Laptops. As operating system you're all running Mac > OS X, some are still on Mac OS (which I call "Classic", because I've joined > the Mac world two years ago so the term seems fit to me). > > But why? (Why Power Macs _and_ why Mac OS X?) > > All newer software will be for Mac OS X/Intel very soon. Some of you may be > using Leopard already, but it is now also just a question of time when it > will > be dropped as well. And this is dropping PowerPC support alltogether. > > If Apple does as they always do, Leopard support will be dropped with the > release of the successor of Snow Leopard. Since Snow Leopard is already 6 > months out, PowerPC users are safe for another two years or so. But that will > be it. Dead for good. No more. The end. > > So why bother with the G3-G5 anyhow? > > > On the other hand you can all convert to Linux. Linux was and will be running > on PowerPC for at least another decade (-- my personal opinion). So if Mac OS > X is now longer an option, you can always go the Linux way. But as I think of > it, you will all be very unhappy with Linux. Mac OS X is really the best when > it comes to being user friendly and easy to use for everyone (beginners but > also experts; and geeks off course). > > > I'm now in this situation. My G3 B&W runs Tiger. I use it in my office for > writing documents (Word 2004, OpenOffice.org Writer 3.1.1 and Bean), for > making spreadsheet calculations (Excel 2004 and OpenOffice.org Calc 3.1.1) > _and_ for surfing in the world wide web. And the last part is the problem. > With Tiger no longer being supported the recently discovered security flaws > are no longer being fixed. Surfing the internet will become more dangerous. > > Newer browsers will be (Snow)Leopard-only. Tiger support will be dropped in > the forseeable future. Using old browsers (with ahellofalot unfixed security > flaws not yet discovered) will also make the situation worse. (Like running > Panther and being bound to use Firefox version 2.0, which is not a good idea > if you ask me.) > > > So: why bother with Gs? > > I've read, I think it was the Geekbench homepage, that the switch to Intel > was > a boost in performance to the Mac world. And I agree. Intel Macs are just... > well, Macs! It doesn't make a difference if the hardware is PowerPC or Intel > x86 -- as long as the operating system doesn't show any difference at all -- > which it doesn't. Work on an Intel Mac and you won't notice anything, except > that it is faster than any Power Mac you've ever used. Period. > > > To clarify one thing: I'm only having Power Macs standing around at home and > the one in my office. I got them as presents since they were no longer used > in > the company of a friend. So he thought I could use them still, which I do by > the way. Just one I bought myself: a Late 2005 G5 with 2.0 GHz Dual-Core. It > is nice, but really Leopard isn't using all its power (like 64-bit). > > _But_ my perspective was always to run Linux on it, just like I did -and do- > with all my x86-PCs. So for me it was mainly a new experience and to see if I > could manage a difference hardware architecture with Linux. > > I've also entered the world of Mac OS X -- which is a great OS by the way -- > and got stuck with using Tiger daily on my G3 B&W. I love it. Something > different for a change. > > > So, G-Group: Why are you (still) PowerPC-based Mac users? > > Cheers, > Andreas aka Mac User #330250 (and: Linux User #330250, Windows User #330250) What makes you think just because Apple drops support for PPCs and OX 10.411 and 10.5.8 that all of a sudden every thing will cease to work? I still run my QuickBooks 2007, AppleWorks 6 and a host of other stuff My G3 iMacs at my shop and the same programs on my G5s and MBPs at the house. Apple didn't plant a bomb in theses boxes to go off at will like Windoze does . I have some very expensive CAD software that only will run on OS9 believe it
Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?
On Jan 21, 2010, at 12:45 PM, wrote: > > Mac User #330250 wrote: > >> because I can't afford to upgrade for at least 2 more years. Besides, >> what's wrong with buying a new computer every 10 yrs? > > Nothing. That's okay. I use older computers too. (But not 10 years I have to > confess). > == > > Then you aren't getting your money's worth out of your computer. :-) > > Linda in Ohio I just resurrected an 11 year old Wallstreet 233 put in a 300 logic board and installed 10.4.11 it runs great a little slow but perfect for email, shopping , and the library. Plus I get some inquiries about it at the library:-) John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?
On Jan 21, 2010, at 5:22 PM, Dennis Myhand wrote: Kasey Smith wrote: I *AM NOT* kidding. Linux does not know how two work the CPU voltage part of the SMC chip, which makes electrons jump the electron paths in the CPU, eventually boring new paths and shorting out the CPU. This is pure, unadulterated, horse hockey. If there was enough voltage running through the chip to "bore new paths" in the substrate and short out the cpu, the problem is not the OS, but someone hooking the damned thing up to 240 Volt Mains. Get yer story straight. Peace, Dennis in Victoria YEA!! -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Thinking about a new CPU for a Sawtooth 500 mhz G4
On Jan 23, 2010, at 4:47 PM, A.McCullough wrote: On 1/23/2010 4:03 PM, Mac User #330250 wrote: If you want to reuse parts like memory, you're much better off with the Dual-1 GHz Quicksilver, or even a Dual-800 (like mine!). Beware that the Quicksilver 2002 is the first to support large hard drives> 128 GB (system board Rev. B). Full ACK. Consider the QS option for you (buying a used one for around 100 Dollars with no HDDs and no RAM makes your upgrade easy -- you'd just go for the CPU speed). Please correct me if I'm wrong, but the QS can take the PC100 DIMMs also, right? Okay, this brings up another question... let's say I did that: would the HD from my current Sawtooth (with all the apps that came with it, many of which do not have any physical media for reinstalling) work as-is in a faster QS? In a Windows world, this doesn't normally work - a pulled hard drive from an older machine would (usually!) require a wiped drive and a full reinstall of the OS and any applications because the OS generally doesn't natively recognize a major hardware change without tossing its cookies, and once you've got this fresh OS now all the apps need put back in. I'd hate to lose half the stuff in this pleasantly reliable old Sawtooth in the changeover (I know the DRIVE would function - it's the software I'm concerned with). Does this work differently in Macs? Anna Just install the hard drive and boot it up most items will be noticeably faster. There is no stumbling because of the upgraded CPU that I've ever seen. John Carmonnewtmm Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: g5 question
On Jan 23, 2010, at 8:47 PM, roger d wrote: > what powermacs where liquid cooled? where all late 05 powermac g5s liquid > cooled? > > thanks > roger > I'm a proud owner of a PM G5 2.7 Dual Liquid cooled machine my box has a Panasonic radiator with two pumps it is a real piece of engineering accomplishment. I Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: USB/FW/other Panel Replacement
On Jan 24, 2010, at 7:38 PM, Bill Connelly wrote: > Anyone remember where a USB / FW / other port panel that can be used to > replace a Zip drive, and give front panel access to USB / FW / other can be > found? > > Want one for my Digital Audio Dual 533 G4 running OS X 10.5.8. > > Thanks > > I think this link has what you're looking for. http://stn2.headgap.com/resale/FMPro?-token=13532057&-db=ProductsC.fp3&-lay=WEB&-format=items.htm&-sortfield=SortID&-Max=40&category=acces&-find John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?
On Jan 27, 2010, at 3:19 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Jan 27, 2010, at 2:08 PM, Mac User #330250 wrote: GIMP does it for me right now, but if I should have to work more with pictures than I do now (very very seldom!) I will take Photoshop Elements 2.0 into consideration. Thanks for the hint. This topic is getting very hard to follow, Somebody please kill it:-) JOHN CARMONNE Yorba Linda USA carmo...@aol,com -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Do you need stuffit to install...stuffit?
On Jan 28, 2010, at 11:13 AM, deadwinter wrote: > Hi folks: > > As I mentioned before, I have a Beige G3 Desktop I've been playing > with. In order to get a couple of things installed on the OS9 > partition, I apparently need Stuffit Classic. However, having > downloaded Stuffit Classic, I notice that the file has an hqx > extension, which means that it needs to be opened with... > > Stuffit. > > I don't have Stuffit in any way shape or form on that machine > presently. So I am wondering how to solve this chicken-egg issue and > if I'm missing something obvious. > > Incidentally, I have neither the OS9 or 10.2 CDs > > I tried unpacking it on the OS X partition and then burning the > unpacked file to a CD...no dice. I keep getting an error that says > that the system doesn't know what application it was "created with". > > Any help would be appreciated. > > -carlos I think if you double click the .hqx file it will give you a .sea file which is a self extracting file. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5 dually but only one processor shows up on sys prof
On Jan 28, 2010, at 2:29 PM, Kasey Smith wrote:
>
> On Jan 28, 2010, at 10:28 AM, ah...clem wrote:
>
>> hi listers, - i have a G5 dual 2.0 tower (build date 12/04), but
>> system profiler says the computer has one processor, ie, one of them
>> is dead. how do i find out which one is the good one and which one
>> is
>> the bad one? i don't have the AHT disk for this machine. i tried
>> removing one then the other, but the computer will not power on
>> unless both are installed. all advice appreciated.
>
> Repeat posing doesn't help you get any more replies.
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Re: NANNY ! Re:
On Jan 29, 2010, at 1:14 PM, Dan wrote: > At 1:07 PM -0500 1/28/2010, John Musbach wrote: >> On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 1:17 AM, Paul wrote: >>> The offending thread containing the spam (entitled "[no subject]") is >>> still there. This gives the appearance that the main purpose of Group >>> Managers is to spew scolding flames at well-intentioned members, >>> rather than doing useful things like removing spam. >> >> Oh noes, it's also still present in all the mirrored archives as well >> whatever will we do?! > > Spam is going to crush us all. > > OTOH, raise your hand if you own stock in a HD manufacturer! > I own Quantum and Seagate Look at today's loss OMG. LOL > OTGH, I worry, late at night, when the only sound to be heard is the quiet > thok of space expanding... What's to become of all these bits and nibbles and > bytes, that make up all this junk data, that people don't delete. Will the > electromagnetic spin of those storage cells someday turn the Earth into a > honking big gyroscope, spinning the wrong way? I don't want to go flying off > the planet. I like it here, even if the air is a bit nasty. Gravity weighs > me down. Do bits have mass? Will those spammy bits someday bind together, > like a big ball of replicator goo, and sink to the core of the planet, > blowing us to smithereens? Can the iPad be used as a sled, like a cafeteria > tray? Are they compatible with alien spaceships? We have to be careful > about that - we might someday need to infect the aliens with something more > virulent than "I Love Lucy". *boink* > > - Dan. > -- > - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: DVD Writer
On Jan 30, 2010, at 10:56 AM, littlefeet wrote: > Hi Paula > My G4 AGP tower only has the 450 processor but I got a Lacie DVD > burner from ebay recently that works great plugged into the firewire > socket. The mac immediately recognised it and it appears in the > profile, . It works well with Toast Titanium 6 providing you don't try > to write at the fastest speed. And it only cost me £21. You may need > to go for a pre Lightscribe model If you go to the LaCie website and > look up the manuals and specs for past models, a pdf dowload will tell > you what the minimum size processor is for each model of burner. I was > limited by my processor but many more LaCie burners will work with > processors 600 Mhz or greater. There are always a few on ebay/ Good > luck > > > On Jan 30, 3:17 pm, icansw...@aol.com wrote: >> I was told that the LaCie with firewire will work on my G4. >> What other DVD writers will work and do I have to find one that works on >> firewire? >> >> Paula Hi Paula I have 3 iMac G3s, 6 G4s, 1 G5 and a MBP all use Pioneer drives, they are the best IMHO, I've had trouble with LaCie and Samsung especially the LightScribe models. For LightScribe I use 2 HPs. all my machines use Toast 6 to Toast 8. I use Mac DVD Ripper Pro for ripping. Hope this helps. BTW stick with Tiger on that machine if you expect to get good burns. John Carmonne wtmm Yorba Linda USA 26 kids all named Mac -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
delete keychain?
Hi All I need to get rid of keychain password on a G5 iMac I can't delete because we forgot the password to unlock Keychain, it's not the same password as the Administrator. Can I do this? John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: delete keychain?
On Jan 31, 2010, at 8:22 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: > On Jan 31, 2010, at 9:41 PM, John Carmonne wrote: > >> Hi All >> I need to get rid of keychain password on a G5 iMac I can't delete because >> we forgot the password to unlock Keychain, it's not the same password as the >> Administrator. Can I do this? > > Google is your friend. 1st hit for keychain password: > > <http://support.apple.com/kb/TS1544> > I did this. I deleted all the keychains but t the key chain keeps coming up when starting Safari, cancel goes past it but the dialog box is annoying. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
G4 processor upgrade
Hi All I have a G4 MDD dual 1GB machine. I would like to install a G4 1.25 GHz board. I know there is one of these processor's that will boot OS9, I need that. Can someone tell me If I can do this? Also how do I identify the correct board? John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 processor upgrade
On Feb 2, 2010, at 9:08 AM, JoeTaxpayer wrote: > Board, or just the processor? > Where are you planning to get the board? The 1.25MDD you are trying to > build is going for under $200 on eBay, why not get a full machine? The machine was free to me from one of my doctors so I have saddled it with every extra that I can find. So I now would like to kick it up a notch if I can. Cost is not a factor here because I want to keep this serial # intact:-) Plus working on these machines is a form of entertainment for me. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA 26 kids all named Mac -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 processor upgrade
Thanks now can you tell me how to over clock it when I get one? This will be my project for the month> On Feb 2, 2010, at 11:35 AM, Jason Brown wrote: > Sigh, please forgive me, had a dyslexic moment. 7455/7457 series. lol > > On Feb 2, 2010, at 1:30 PM, Jason Brown wrote: > >> Yes, it can. It is the Motherboard that limits the booting, particularly the >> firmware and drivers in the OS. The processors are still just 7544/7457 >> series processors. I have seen people do this before. Mine, I just took the >> dual 1.25 board and overclocked it to dual 1.5. :P >> >> On Feb 2, 2010, at 12:46 PM, Dan Knight, LowEndMac.com wrote: >> >>> I have a question that I hope someone here can answer. Can a 1.42 GHz >>> dual CPU module be transplanted to a FireWire 400 MDD motherboard >>> while still allowing booting into Mac OS 9? >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> Dan Knight, LowEndMac.com >>> >>> On Feb 2, 12:23 pm, "Mac User #330250" wrote: >>>> The Dual-1 GHz MDD has a bus speed of 167 MHz and can take any MDD or FW800 >>>> CPU that is designed for the same bus speed. >>> >>>> 167 MHz Bus speed: >>>> MDD - 1.0 GHz Dual (1 MB cache on both processors) >>>> MDD - 1.25 GHz Dual (2 MB cache on both processors) >>>> FW800 - 1.25 GHz Dual (1 MB cache on both processors) >>>> FW800 - 1.42 GHz Dual (2 MB cache on both processor) >>>> MDD - 1.25 GHz single (1 MB cache) "education only" 2003 model >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for >>> those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power >>> Macs. >>> The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our >>> netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml >>> To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for >> those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power >> Macs. >> The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our >> netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml >> To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list > > -- > You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for > those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power > Macs. > The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette > guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Address Book files
Hi All Does the address book folder in the Applications Support in the user library have a separate file for the Apple Mail addresses? Separate from the normal address Book? John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Tiger on MBP
Hi All Can I partition my MBP and have Tiger on it along with Snow Leopard? I know the MacBook Intel's came with Tiger. JOHN CARMONNE Yorba Linda USA carmo...@aol,com -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Transfer addresses
Hi All I have been able to transfer my address book between computers via thumb drive using address book backup and restore, But I have a major problem in that when I do this all my addresses move ok but I lose all my Apple Mail addresses, is there some way to prevent this? Also why doesn't someone write a sync app to make tis easy. I don't want a .Mac account. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Tiger on MBP
On Feb 3, 2010, at 4:18 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: > On Feb 3, 2010, at 6:00 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: >> >> On Feb 3, 2010, at 4:51 PM, JOHN CARMONNE wrote: >> >>> Hi All >>> Can I partition my MBP and have Tiger on it along with Snow Leopard? I know >>> the MacBook Intel's >>> came with Tiger. >> >> No. The minimum OS for a MBP is 10.5. > > My brother's MacBook Pro 2.2 GHz Late 2007 came with 10.4.9 installed, and > then also came with a Leopard 10.5 Upgrade DVD. I did the upgrade for him, so > I know some MacBook Pros can run Tiger. I suspect the newer MacBook Pros that > shipped with Leopard might also run Tiger since the hardware differences are > pretty minimal? > > Also, you can make a full retail 10.5 install DVD from the 10.5 Upgrade DVD, > if you are so inclined. It involves removing one tiny 4k file and burning a > new DVD: > <http://uneasysilence.com/archive/2007/12/12791/> Please clear this for me, I'm under the impression that Intel machines only boot with GUID partition table, is this correct? Because I can't boot my shirt drive but it's Apple Partition Map. I'm not giving up yet even though MBP says It can't accept my Tiger install disk. I will try a CCC to one of my GUID shirt drives that has 10.6.2 on it and boots the MBP. A guy at the Apple store said he thinks the MacBook Intel Tiger is a special disk. I don't think that's the case. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Tiger on MBP
On Feb 3, 2010, at 4:58 PM, Chance Reecher wrote: > Are you using a retail Tiger disc? The retail discs will not boot Intel Macs, > only the discs included with those machines will. > > John Carmonne wrote: >> Please clear this for me, I'm under the impression that Intel machines only >> boot with GUID partition table, is this correct? Because I can't boot my >> shirt drive but it's Apple Partition Map. >> >> I'm not giving up yet even though MBP says It can't accept my Tiger install >> disk. I will try a CCC to one of my GUID shirt drives that has 10.6.2 on it >> and boots the MBP. A guy at the Apple store said he thinks the MacBook Intel >> Tiger is a special disk. I don't think that's the case. >> >> >> John Carmonne >> Yorba Linda USA >> >> >> >> Yes I have a retail Tiger disk. I'm at the moment doing a polish XPostFacto by attempting to boot off a GUID disk with a Tiger system installed via CCC. This method works on other machines that say the machine cant boot or run this system:-)> Maybe it will work? No real need for this other than to do it. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Tiger on MBP
On Feb 3, 2010, at 5:08 PM, Chance Reecher wrote: > I can almost guarantee that it will not work. AFAIK, there is no Intel code > on most of the black 10.4 retail discs. What happens when you try to boot the > MBP from the retail disc? Does it load the installer, then tell you it will > not install? If it does, then you might be able to make it work. > > John Carmonne wrote: >> On Feb 3, 2010, at 4:58 PM, Chance Reecher wrote: >> >> >>> Are you using a retail Tiger disc? The retail discs will not boot Intel >>> Macs, only the discs included with those machines will. >>> >>> John Carmonne wrote: >>> >>>> Please clear this for me, I'm under the impression that Intel machines >>>> only boot with GUID partition table, is this correct? Because I can't boot >>>> my shirt drive but it's Apple Partition Map. >>>> >>>> I'm not giving up yet even though MBP says It can't accept my Tiger >>>> install disk. I will try a CCC to one of my GUID shirt drives that has >>>> 10.6.2 on it and boots the MBP. A guy at the Apple store said he thinks >>>> the MacBook Intel Tiger is a special disk. I don't think that's the case. >>>> >>>> >>>> John Carmonne >>>> Yorba Linda USA >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >> >> Yes I have a retail Tiger disk. I'm at the moment doing a polish XPostFacto >> by attempting to boot off a GUID disk with a Tiger system installed via CCC. >> This method works on other machines >> that say the machine cant boot or run this system:-)> Maybe it will work? No >> real need for this other than to do it. >> >> >> John Carmonne >> Yorba Linda USA >> >> >> >> > > -- > You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for > those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power > Macs. > The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette > guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Tiger on MBP
On Feb 3, 2010, at 4:18 PM, Michael Koch wrote: > Easy solution > Load 10.4 on an external firewire drive and see if you can start from it; > that will tell you; without > any damage to the MBP internal hard drive. > On Feb 3, 2010, at 19:07, Chance Reecher wrote: > >> Wrong. Several MBPs came with/can run 10.4, the Core Duo 2006 models, the >> Core 2 Duo Late 2006/Early 2007 models, and the mid-2007 models. In the defense of Bruce I have to say after trying all avenues he is correct just didn't bother with the manusha. t I found the last MBP to run Tiger would be 2007 "Santa Rosa" "Core 2 Duo" processor (T7700) model. I have a 2008 " Penryn Core 2 Duo" processor (T8300) So the culprit is the processors. But maybe someone out there can make it happen? >> >> Bruce Johnson wrote: >>> >>> No. The minimum OS for a MBP is 10.5. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for >> those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power >> Macs. >> The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our >> netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml >> To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list >> > > have a nice day > Michael Koch > mk...@ncwcom.com John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
