Re: [Audyssey] Lunimals version 2.5b
You're quite welcome Steady, and I'm glad you're enjoying the game. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] disrespect for gamers: was Re: Lunimals version 2.5b
If a future version of windows ends up being completely incompatible with VB6 applications, that's fine with me. If people really do get cut off from their favorite VB6 games, someone will just produce the windows X VB6 software emulator, or something along those lines. If there is a demand to play the old, unsupported games, someone will always be there to make it work. Sitting here with my modern PC, I can play everything from old DOS games to my favorite console games, all because people wanted to be able to play the classic games on the new hardware. I see no reason some future windows X would break this tradition. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] disrespect for gamers: was Re: Lunimals version 2.5b
the problem with a lot of emulation, is there's an ease of use factor. Dosbox is neither easy to use nor accessible, though many of the people who use it are extremely tech orientated and for instance would reguard setting cpu cycles and knowing which amoutn of virtual memory to alocate as a simple thing, where as average jo who back in doss days could've just shoved in a disk or typed run program name is a bit stuck. Some easy to use console emulators do exist, but I've certainly found this is not the case with a lot of things. Of course, if a dev or similar is a reasonable person, they might create something which is easier to use, for instance all the old dos graphical games I have such as the prince of persia totalpack are run with preconfigured versions of dosbox, which pretty much turns them into windows applications that you just run as a standard program. This is i think why games like eamon are not played anymore, sinse aple amulation is a pain in the neck, while the infocom games can be run with litle trouble. The problem is, if someone were to be nostalgic enough to create a vb6 emulator, odds are they wouldn't themselves be as open to the possibility of it being used by people who might never have played the old games but just want to try them out on a modern machine, which is afterall what most people want. Btw, I stil say the best way to play old console games is simply to own the console, but then again I'm very fond of my snes, indeed I even have a copy of kirby's dreamland, produced for original gameboy in 1986, and stil! playable on the gameboy player for the gamecube. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Jeremy Kaldobsky jer...@kaldobsky.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, June 10, 2011 8:10 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] disrespect for gamers: was Re: Lunimals version 2.5b If a future version of windows ends up being completely incompatible with VB6 applications, that's fine with me. If people really do get cut off from their favorite VB6 games, someone will just produce the windows X VB6 software emulator, or something along those lines. If there is a demand to play the old, unsupported games, someone will always be there to make it work. Sitting here with my modern PC, I can play everything from old DOS games to my favorite console games, all because people wanted to be able to play the classic games on the new hardware. I see no reason some future windows X would break this tradition. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Games We'd like to play
June 11 is your birthday. You all get together at Jim Kitchen's place. There is plenty of beer, bourbon, brandy, pizza, chicken wings and dancing ladies. The goal of the game is to have such a good time that you do not remember any of the debauchery the next day. TGIF and BFN Jim Born to be spanked. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Games We'd like to play
It only lasts for one day? Whatta bummer! --- Laughter is the best medicine, so look around, find a dose and take it to heart. - Original Message - From: Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net To: Audyssey Gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, June 10, 2011 5:04 AM Subject: [Audyssey] Games We'd like to play June 11 is your birthday. You all get together at Jim Kitchen's place. There is plenty of beer, bourbon, brandy, pizza, chicken wings and dancing ladies. The goal of the game is to have such a good time that you do not remember any of the debauchery the next day. TGIF and BFN Jim Born to be spanked. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Registering Self Destruct was:Re: Links for Old Titles
then go to c:\program files\keygen.exe that is where the key generator is stored. That will run it directly which all-wayse worked for me. - Original Message - From: Ryan Conroy staindadd...@juno.com To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 6:28 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Registering Self Destruct was:Re: Links for Old Titles Hi everyone, I know these games are no longer supported, but I wanted to see if anyone has any idea on how to fix this error. I reinstalled the new version of Self Destruct with the Key Gen in the start menu, and I keep getting this error when I click on it: Error There was an error with your product ID. The game cannot continue. The product ID does not exist. keygen Run-time error '424':Object required Does anyone have any idea on how to fix this? I'd really like the full version of the game. I don't understand why I can't get it to work. -- Original Message -- From: Damien C. Pendleton dam...@x-sight-interactive.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: [Audyssey] Links for Old Titles Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 22:02:05 +0100 Hey everyone, As previously mentioned, I have modified the old games to state they are abandonware and have therefore offered them for temporary download using Dropbox. They will be up until Monday 13th June, so anyone who wants to host them on a more permanent site may download them during these times and do so. The games and their links are as follows: The Savage Gamut: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5285041/gamut.exe Note: Includes the Savage Gamut, Savage Gamut Redemption and Savage Gamut Trainer all in one package. It lets you customise the installation to include or exclude any one of these titles from being installed. Danger City: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5285041/dc02.exe Acefire: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5285041/acefire20setup.exe Self Destruct: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5285041/selfdest.exe Note: Also installs the keygen to the correct location and provides access in the start menu. All games have been modified in the following ways: 1. References to the personal or business names of developers have been removed wherever possible from the game executables and documentation. 2. The installers clearly state that they are abandonware before installation to give the user chance to exit or continue as they wish. 3. All reported and known issues have been well documented. 4. The Self Destruct and Savage Gamut installers have been completely rewritten, in order to make them neater and easier for maintenance by the end user. For example, the Savage Gamut packages are now in one customisable package, Self Destruct installs cleanly, the uninstaller also works as opposed to the last version, etc. 5. A couple of minor details have also been modified in the Acefire application and a few bugs were fixed before final release. Hope this helps. Regards, Damien. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. Groupon#8482 Official Site 1 ridiculously huge coupon a day. Get 50-90% off your city#39;s best! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4df14961491e3e8bf6st02vuc --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Games We'd like to play
good idea! Now if only someone would make it! - Original Message - From: Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net To: Audyssey Gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, June 10, 2011 6:04 AM Subject: [Audyssey] Games We'd like to play June 11 is your birthday. You all get together at Jim Kitchen's place. There is plenty of beer, bourbon, brandy, pizza, chicken wings and dancing ladies. The goal of the game is to have such a good time that you do not remember any of the debauchery the next day. TGIF and BFN Jim Born to be spanked. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Sort of real interactive fantasy books/stories
Have a look here since these are apparently versions of something that appeared in magazines a while ago, and you'll see that they tell you to draw up things like minor character statistics, and then at the end of each piece they tell you to go to a number to then carry on with the adventure, and while these are all in PDF files, I did convert one to a text file, and then can use search in something like notepad to in fact find the right sort of what they call a page number each time - haven't done much more than just double check that they seem usable as such for now: http://outspaced.fightingfantasy.org/Proteus.html Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] disrespect for gamers: was Re: Lunimals version 2.5b
Nice, some understanding in what's to come. At 12:26 AM 6/10/2011, you wrote: Hi Charles and Jeremy. Charles, on the new windows 7 machines, some dos programs stop working or have random errors. This is because the machine's architecture have changed too much to run them like a normal program. A dos mode is emulated by the machine, which doesn't always give the expected results, as there as so many things that could go wrong with an emulation. Jeremy, it's not a question if it won't work, I'm telling you visual basic applications won't work on any arm-based machine as things stand. This is because arm processors use a different instruction set that is not compattible with intel's x86 or x64 instruction set. I'm pretty sure microsoft won't recompile the visual basic libraries. They already refused to include the vb libraries in windows 7 even though they were compatible. On 6/9/11, Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Are there games that are designed to be played using DOS that absolutely cannot be played on most systems? How long ago was it said that DOS would be no more? How about a paperless society with the advent of being able to send files to one another? We now use more paper than ever before. --- Laughter is the best medicine, so look around, find a dose and take it to heart. - Original Message - From: Jeremy Kaldobsky jer...@kaldobsky.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 4:24 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] disrespect for gamers: was Re: Lunimals version 2.5b I understand that the issue is about users being able to play the game. For many years, since Microsoft first stopped supporting VB6, people have been saying that any day no one will be able to use software written with it. Obviously with each passing year this gets closer to the truth, but we have different opinions on the seriousness of this problem right now. As I've said, when things change, I'll re-evaluate my position on the languages I use. You're probably right that the next generation of windows won't support VB6 at all, but then again, you might be wrong. Before Vista released, many people told me that it would be impossible to run VB6 applications on it, and it didn't turn out that way. It's entirely possible that some small change will allow VB6 apps to run on Windows X, just as it has allowed Windows Vista and Windows 7 users to run them. If not, then that's life and we will deal with the new situation. We are both playing a guessing game, clearly some of you guess that all VB6 titles will be lost forever, and I am guessing that probably won't be the case, or at least I'm not so convinced that I'm willing to change how I'm currently doing things. Dennis, when you say people can't play the games, I assume you mean the theoretical date when some new windows absolutely can't run VB6 games. As things stand at the moment, I'm unaware of any version of windows (2000 and later) that can't run VB6 games. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] from an end user - Re: disrespect for gamers: was Re: Lunimals version 2.5b
There is some truth there to your words. However, those languages that they use have become object orientated. See VB6 became vb.net, and what it takes to run the old was dropped. Even the newer distros of linix can only be ran on the newer computers. You use to be able to run on any comp, but things grow up. At 08:25 PM 6/9/2011, you wrote: I might get some geeky answers to this, and I might not. Anyway, this whole issue about what programming language should or should not be used, and why or why not, is interesting to me, but might not be to others. What it boils down to, to me, is this: A program, or in this case a computer game, is what? It's a set of instructions that the programmer wants a computer to read, process, and follow based on the commands given by the end user. Does the end user care about the language used to instruct their computer? No. The end user cares about whether their computer does or does not interpret the programmer's instructions correctly. Does this game, regardless of how it was written operate as it should on my computer? That's what counts. If a programmer writes programs that won't work on my PC, I'm not going to want more programs from that programmer. The industry dictates that I buy a new machine that is capable of using the most up to date operating system, and now all the games I have spent my money on, and the games I have gotten at no charge won't work on the newest technology. So, I buy the new PC. What about all this fun software of the past? It's obsolete. It's useless. Now, games are designed to work with Windows 7, which I have. Will they work on Windows 12 10 years from now? Here we go again. And it doesn't stop. I don't think that Shoot #'97 would work on the PC I currently have. It was a fun game, though. Wouldn't it be great if there were such a program as a language converter that could translate a program that won't work on your new system into something that would? There are so many programming languages, each with it's good and bad points, you probably couldn't handle them all. But how about the most commonly used ones for running on Windows 98, XP, and Windows 7? Oops, there are more and more Mac users all the time, and that other open source OS that I never can remember the spelling of. Linnex? There's the compatibility issue. This message was longer than intended. I gotta relax. Now, where's that nineteenth beta of MOTA! Whew! Good thing I've got it! --- Laughter is the best medicine, so look around, find a dose and take it to heart. - Original Message - From: Jeremy Kaldobsky jer...@kaldobsky.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 11:14 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] disrespect for gamers: was Re: Lunimals version 2.5b Well it seems that while I've been sleeping, this argument over programming languages has flared up once again. It seems like this happens at some point each month, and that is exactly why some of my fellow VB6 users view it as attacks rather than suggestions. In other aspects of life, you've undoubtedly had someone disagree with you about something, and they felt compelled to share their view in an effort to get you to do things their way. That's normal, and should be expected during life. If you listened to their opinion, but stuck to your own, at what point does it become inappropriate for them to bring it up again and again? Perhaps you'll listen to the same arguments 3 or 4 times, but when the other person is compelled to repeatedly push their opinion on you, it becomes a hostile situation. I'm not writing this to any one specific individual, so please let me make that clear. This is being written, generally, to the long list of people who are still pushing the same views after months and months. Actually, this has probably been going on for a lot longer, but I haven't been on audyssey for very long. I want to dispel this idea that we VB6 users are only using it because we don't know any other languages. I feel that view paints us as ignorant programmers who are only rejecting your view because we don't know any better. This is not the case, and I, for one, happen to know just as many languages as the people who don't want me using VB6. Admittedly I would be rusty with most of them, since I haven't used them in years, but I prefer to be viewed as a peer rather than a programming novice who isn't experienced enough to know what's best for him. From my experience, there is a stereotypical progression in how programmers think. When they start out, they stick to what they know because it is all they know. Like a child clinging to pool floaties, it is scary to first venture away from what is keeping you safe. As the programmers begins learning more, they become excited by everything that's out there, and so they quickly begin learning everything they can about
Re: [Audyssey] disrespect for gamers: was Re: Lunimals version 2.5b
I don't have doubts about it. When they drop the runtimes for it in a op. Means that it may run if you put them in, but leaving them out only means the next version won't run them at all. Then you are locked out. Its just like tellidisk. That program will only run on pre xp. So don't say things to keep on or someone makes them. Software does get left behind. At 05:24 PM 6/9/2011, you wrote: I understand that the issue is about users being able to play the game. For many years, since Microsoft first stopped supporting VB6, people have been saying that any day no one will be able to use software written with it. Obviously with each passing year this gets closer to the truth, but we have different opinions on the seriousness of this problem right now. As I've said, when things change, I'll re-evaluate my position on the languages I use. You're probably right that the next generation of windows won't support VB6 at all, but then again, you might be wrong. Before Vista released, many people told me that it would be impossible to run VB6 applications on it, and it didn't turn out that way. It's entirely possible that some small change will allow VB6 apps to run on Windows X, just as it has allowed Windows Vista and Windows 7 users to run them. If not, then that's life and we will deal with the new situation. We are both playing a guessing game, clearly some of you guess that all VB6 titles will be lost forever, and I am guessing that probably won't be the case, or at least I'm not so convinced that I'm willing to change how I'm currently doing things. Dennis, when you say people can't play the games, I assume you mean the theoretical date when some new windows absolutely can't run VB6 games. As things stand at the moment, I'm unaware of any version of windows (2000 and later) that can't run VB6 games. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Games We'd like to play
How about if Jim hosts it? --- Laughter is the best medicine, so look around, find a dose and take it to heart. - Original Message - From: Shane Lowe shanel...@insightbb.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, June 10, 2011 7:22 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Games We'd like to play good idea! Now if only someone would make it! - Original Message - From: Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net To: Audyssey Gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, June 10, 2011 6:04 AM Subject: [Audyssey] Games We'd like to play June 11 is your birthday. You all get together at Jim Kitchen's place. There is plenty of beer, bourbon, brandy, pizza, chicken wings and dancing ladies. The goal of the game is to have such a good time that you do not remember any of the debauchery the next day. TGIF and BFN Jim Born to be spanked. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] disrespect for gamers: was Re: Lunimals version 2.5b
That's very true when it comes to mainstream emulators. I was making the assumption that people from the audio games community would be responsible for programming the emulators. In a case like that, accessibility would of course be the central theme. There are some pretty skilled programmers around here, and I think many would jump at the chance to write a single program to become the hero, who reunited everyone with their favorite games which were no longer compatible. Just my assumption, of course. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] looking for terraformers audio game
Hi list. I am wondering, does anyone know where I can download a copy of the teraformers audio game? I bought a copy years back, but the site that used to host it appears to have abandoned the project, or at least no longer hosts the files. I was never able to complete the game when I last tried it, mostly because I lost patients with the awfully slow walking, but I feel like giving it another go. Many thanks for any help, Alex. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] need some help with the power swiches level in aura
Hi all, Could someone give me some help with the power swiches level in aura? best regards, Jack --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] disrespect for gamers: was Re: Lunimals version 2.5b
Hi Jeremy, I for one do understand your position, and you are right. Nobody knows for sure when VB 6 applications will stop being able to run on Windows X. I guess the real question I and others have here is why use VB 6 at all when there are newer solutions out there like C# .Net or VB .Net which have replaced VB 6 on modern Windows operating systems? This being my personal opinion, but I've always felt that VB .Net is a major improvement over VB 6 as it has improved Object Oriented Programming, a powerful development API based on the .Net Framework, and the fact the .Net Framework is a cross-platform runtime environment often saves a developer from having to recompile his/her code for a different target platform. Assuming the app doesn't use any third-party libraries that require a specific CPU or target flags many apps can be compiled for an Any CPU target platform and run on 32-bit and 64-bit Windows platforms without having to be recompiled. In fact, I've even wrote some VB .Net apps that run on Linux just fine using the latest Mono Framework as well. I think these features are a necessity in todays computing environment. So my question here is what does VB 6 have, that makes it better than VB .Net, and why you personally want to pick that over VB .Net? Understand my question isn't here to insult you, make you upset, etc, but I'm seaking information. I merely want to know what lead you to your decision. I think I could respect your position more if you could give me examples and reasons for them rather than saying this is what I like to use, and not back it up with your reasons why you like it. Both of us are technically educated men, both have skills programming, I respect that, but we've also come to different conclusions on what technologies are right for the todays platforms. I'd just like to know where you stand on this issue, and why you are so passionate about VB 6 when I think there are much better technologies available. In any case I can clearly see you have decided on using VB 6. That's fine, but if you are going to use VB 6 at least try and stick to established standards and use DirectX 8. Most of the VB developers out here GMA, Jim Kitchen, BSC, you name it have all moved to DirectX 8 years ago and that is pretty much the norm and standard. Most of us are going to install DirectX 8 anyway for those games. I personally see it as a convenience if you would switch to DirectX 8 and use the same standards and libraries everyone else is using. Can you at least do that for us? Cheers! On 6/9/11, Jeremy Kaldobsky jer...@kaldobsky.com wrote: I understand that the issue is about users being able to play the game. For many years, since Microsoft first stopped supporting VB6, people have been saying that any day no one will be able to use software written with it. Obviously with each passing year this gets closer to the truth, but we have different opinions on the seriousness of this problem right now. As I've said, when things change, I'll re-evaluate my position on the languages I use. You're probably right that the next generation of windows won't support VB6 at all, but then again, you might be wrong. Before Vista released, many people told me that it would be impossible to run VB6 applications on it, and it didn't turn out that way. It's entirely possible that some small change will allow VB6 apps to run on Windows X, just as it has allowed Windows Vista and Windows 7 users to run them. If not, then that's life and we will deal with the new situation. We are both playing a guessing game, clearly some of you guess that all VB6 titles will be lost forever, and I am guessing that probably won't be the case, or at least I'm not so convinced that I'm willing to change how I'm currently doing things. Dennis, when you say people can't play the games, I assume you mean the theoretical date when some new windows absolutely can't run VB6 games. As things stand at the moment, I'm unaware of any version of windows (2000 and later) that can't run VB6 games. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the
Re: [Audyssey] disrespect for gamers: was Re: Lunimals version 2.5b
Hi Willem, While I agree with you about the arm processors I think continuing this discussion, argument, debate, whatever you want to call it is pointless. Jeremy, Jim, and the other VB 6 developers have their opinions and we have ours. Arguing about it on list for days on end isn't going to change anyones mind. Time will settle the argument one way or another. On 6/10/11, Willem Venter dwill...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Charles and Jeremy. Charles, on the new windows 7 machines, some dos programs stop working or have random errors. This is because the machine's architecture have changed too much to run them like a normal program. A dos mode is emulated by the machine, which doesn't always give the expected results, as there as so many things that could go wrong with an emulation. Jeremy, it's not a question if it won't work, I'm telling you visual basic applications won't work on any arm-based machine as things stand. This is because arm processors use a different instruction set that is not compattible with intel's x86 or x64 instruction set. I'm pretty sure microsoft won't recompile the visual basic libraries. They already refused to include the vb libraries in windows 7 even though they were compatible. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] disrespect for gamers: was Re: Lunimals version 2.5b
Hi Charles, I hate to burst your bubble but I can think of several older games I once played in the 90's on Windows 3.1, Windows 95, and Dos that will not, can not, and can't be made to run properly on Windows 7. For instance, I had a collection of pinball games that played in MS Dos. I loved those games. If you clicked on the icon in Windows 3.1 or Windows 95 it would exit Windows and load the games in Dos. The games seemed to work fine clear up to Windows 98. I tried them on Windows XP using Dos EMU, Dosbox, etc and they just wouldn't run at all. I sincerely doubt trying them on Windows 7 would be any better. In a very memerable case I once tried playing an old Dos version ofWheel of Fortune on Windows XP. When I ran wheel.exe thegame asked for my name, selected a puzzle, and then selected the computer player as player 1. Next thing I heard was the Wheel of Fortune music playing at an extremely fast rate and happily told me that player 1 had completed the puzzl, and then crashed giving me some error message. In all I think from start of game to the crash the game ran perhaps two or three seconds. It definitely wasn't made to run on Windows XP and a 1.2 GHZ processor that's for sure. The issue isn't just limited to Dos games either. I have a number of games that worked fine on Windows 95, but I can't get them to run on Windows 7 for various reasons. One game in particular, Star Trek Borg, was one of my favorites, but because it wasn't regularly maintained won't runon anything beyond Windows 98, and only then if you have the upgrade from the Windows 95 version to the 98 version. Otherwise it won't run on anything else. So while some here might think my fears are baseless I've got good reason for feeling exactly as I do. I have seen my share of Dos and Windows games become less and less compatible with newer versions of Windows precisely do to the fact that the developers chose not to upgrade, patch, or maintain their games even when it became clear they wouldn't run on newer platforms. HTH On 6/9/11, Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Are there games that are designed to be played using DOS that absolutely cannot be played on most systems? How long ago was it said that DOS would be no more? How about a paperless society with the advent of being able to send files to one another? We now use more paper than ever before. --- Laughter is the best medicine, so look around, find a dose and take it to heart. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] disrespect for gamers: was Re: Lunimals version 2.5b
What a bubble buster you are. Hmm. Sounds like a game on the Pac Mate. It doesn't bother me, though, because you make good points, as usual. Thanks. --- Laughter is the best medicine, so look around, find a dose and take it to heart. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, June 10, 2011 6:02 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] disrespect for gamers: was Re: Lunimals version 2.5b Hi Charles, I hate to burst your bubble but I can think of several older games I once played in the 90's on Windows 3.1, Windows 95, and Dos that will not, can not, and can't be made to run properly on Windows 7. For instance, I had a collection of pinball games that played in MS Dos. I loved those games. If you clicked on the icon in Windows 3.1 or Windows 95 it would exit Windows and load the games in Dos. The games seemed to work fine clear up to Windows 98. I tried them on Windows XP using Dos EMU, Dosbox, etc and they just wouldn't run at all. I sincerely doubt trying them on Windows 7 would be any better. In a very memerable case I once tried playing an old Dos version ofWheel of Fortune on Windows XP. When I ran wheel.exe thegame asked for my name, selected a puzzle, and then selected the computer player as player 1. Next thing I heard was the Wheel of Fortune music playing at an extremely fast rate and happily told me that player 1 had completed the puzzl, and then crashed giving me some error message. In all I think from start of game to the crash the game ran perhaps two or three seconds. It definitely wasn't made to run on Windows XP and a 1.2 GHZ processor that's for sure. The issue isn't just limited to Dos games either. I have a number of games that worked fine on Windows 95, but I can't get them to run on Windows 7 for various reasons. One game in particular, Star Trek Borg, was one of my favorites, but because it wasn't regularly maintained won't runon anything beyond Windows 98, and only then if you have the upgrade from the Windows 95 version to the 98 version. Otherwise it won't run on anything else. So while some here might think my fears are baseless I've got good reason for feeling exactly as I do. I have seen my share of Dos and Windows games become less and less compatible with newer versions of Windows precisely do to the fact that the developers chose not to upgrade, patch, or maintain their games even when it became clear they wouldn't run on newer platforms. HTH On 6/9/11, Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Are there games that are designed to be played using DOS that absolutely cannot be played on most systems? How long ago was it said that DOS would be no more? How about a paperless society with the advent of being able to send files to one another? We now use more paper than ever before. --- Laughter is the best medicine, so look around, find a dose and take it to heart. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] disrespect for gamers: was Re: Lunimals version 2.5b
Hi Jeremy, I'm not sure how old you are or what your experience is with mainstream games in general, but let me give you a little bit of background on why I am so extremely concerned about your decision here. However, first, let me just say my fears about VB 6 apps not running on Windows X may or may not be unfounded, but I have a lifetime of practical experience that tells me that basing all of your projects on an outdated language like VB 6 is not a wise decision. Here is why. I started out on the Atari 2600 clear back in the 1980's, moved onto the NES in the late 80's, and eventually to Dos and Windows in the 90's. While you are perfectly right to argue that there are good Atari, NES, and Dos emulators that will play most of those older games I also know those are not perfect solutions. I've lost count of the number of the games I use to play that aren't compatible with any emulator, and won't run on Windows 7 just because of one reason or another. Its that fear of seeing this same thing happen to the accessible games market why I choose to try and insure my code is as up to date and compatible with the current operating systems as possible, and hope to prevent my fellow developers from making what I see as a big mistake. As a developer the last thing I would want to do is have to rewrite all of my games from scratch, because I chose badly and based my games on an older outdated technology. For instance, lets assume I went out and purchased a new netbook with an arm processor. As willem has accurately explained it is not compatible with the Intel x86 and x64 processors so those apps won't run on that netbook without being recompiled. If I used VB 6 I couldn't target arm processors specifically because Microsoft doesn't offer VB 6 libraries for that target platform. I would be forced into rewriting the entire game or application from scratch to support that target platform all because I didn't take that into consideration ahead of time. There are a number of other choices I could have made like .Net, Java, or C++ that would allow me to quite easily adapt to the change without a lot of unnecessary work. This is exactly the sort of problem I foresee comming in the not to distant future. Which poses a question. You say that when things change you will reconsider your position, and change the way you do things. Fair enough, but does that mean that you will rewrite and update every single game you have written to insure they all work on the new target platform or will you decide to abandon all your older games and start over with new games? That's not an easy decision for a developer, and not one I would take lightly if I were you. You have written some truly decent games, and I'd hate to see you abandon them if it so happens they are no longer compatible with Windows X or the new netbooks with arm processors. At the same time I wouldn't want to be the one who had to rewrite all of those games from scratch since they weren't written with a little more future consideration beyond the current status quo in mind. Maybe my concerns are right or they are wrong, but is it really worthth taking that risk? Cheers! On 6/9/11, Jeremy Kaldobsky jer...@kaldobsky.com wrote: I understand that the issue is about users being able to play the game. For many years, since Microsoft first stopped supporting VB6, people have been saying that any day no one will be able to use software written with it. Obviously with each passing year this gets closer to the truth, but we have different opinions on the seriousness of this problem right now. As I've said, when things change, I'll re-evaluate my position on the languages I use. You're probably right that the next generation of windows won't support VB6 at all, but then again, you might be wrong. Before Vista released, many people told me that it would be impossible to run VB6 applications on it, and it didn't turn out that way. It's entirely possible that some small change will allow VB6 apps to run on Windows X, just as it has allowed Windows Vista and Windows 7 users to run them. If not, then that's life and we will deal with the new situation. We are both playing a guessing game, clearly some of you guess that all VB6 titles will be lost forever, and I am guessing that probably won't be the case, or at least I'm not so convinced that I'm willing to change how I'm currently doing things. Dennis, when you say people can't play the games, I assume you mean the theoretical date when some new windows absolutely can't run VB6 games. As things stand at the moment, I'm unaware of any version of windows (2000 and later) that can't run VB6 games. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can
Re: [Audyssey] disrespect for gamers: was Re: Lunimals version 2.5b
Thomas, after more than one of my responses to this subject, people have told me I was overly sensitive. That being said, what on earth has made your advice so important to you, that you seem incapable, or just unwilling, to give it up? Over and over you have stated your thoughts about what I Should be doing differently, and even though I have taken the time to acknowledge you and explain I will stay my chosen course, this same advice is continually brought up and rammed down my throat. I hope you aren't this pushy in everyday life! If you believe someone should choose paper, over plastic, at the grocery store do you follow them through the parking lot lecturing them until their car door closes in your face? If my decision was your business, I would understand better, but my God, this has gone far over the line of what is acceptable. You have asked for specific reasons so that you might better understand why I am doing things how I am, but honestly I'm so annoyed at this point, I don't even care to humor you. Why, this far into being badgered, would I care if you better understand my side? Should I feel compelled to explain myself more just so I can sleep at night, knowing Thomas finally accepts the direction I'm going? Sorry to seem rude, but I couldn't give a flying rats behind if anyone else agrees with how I choose to do things. As of this moment, I'm not dignifying this subject with any more of my time. If you don't like how I do things, don't play my games. Following this, my final post on this subject, many people will write me off as being upset over nothing. For those people, go back and read every message ever sent to me about writing games in VB6, the sheer number of the same people pushing themselves on to me, might help you understand my position. I am a pretty patient man, but I'm done with this. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] from an end user - Re: disrespect for gamers: was Re: Lunimals version 2.5b
Hi Charles. What you say is partially correct. However in theory it is more complecated. Programmers use libraries, which are basicly segments of a program, like the direct x dll's windows 7 users have to copy over from an xp machine. If these libraries are not maintained, they simply stop working with new operating systems. This is where using the older visual basic becomes a problem for the end user. Microsoft realized that there were serious flaws in the concept of visual basic as it was, and created a new language called vb dot net, with similar sintax for writing programs. Because Microsoft controls development, the chances of an update for newer operating systems is 0. If it was a more open standard, like java, python or freeBasic, I'm sure there would be further development by users. This is why I would also not recommend going .net, as microsoft could ditch it any time they feel it is not profetable enough. some old programs still work on windows. As an example, I have a mud client that was written in 1995, which runs without a hitch on my windows 7 64 bit machine, 15 years after the developer stopped development, so age is not always a good indecator weather a program would work, there are many factors involved. On 6/9/11, Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I might get some geeky answers to this, and I might not. Anyway, this whole issue about what programming language should or should not be used, and why or why not, is interesting to me, but might not be to others. What it boils down to, to me, is this: A program, or in this case a computer game, is what? It's a set of instructions that the programmer wants a computer to read, process, and follow based on the commands given by the end user. Does the end user care about the language used to instruct their computer? No. The end user cares about whether their computer does or does not interpret the programmer's instructions correctly. Does this game, regardless of how it was written operate as it should on my computer? That's what counts. If a programmer writes programs that won't work on my PC, I'm not going to want more programs from that programmer. The industry dictates that I buy a new machine that is capable of using the most up to date operating system, and now all the games I have spent my money on, and the games I have gotten at no charge won't work on the newest technology. So, I buy the new PC. What about all this fun software of the past? It's obsolete. It's useless. Now, games are designed to work with Windows 7, which I have. Will they work on Windows 12 10 years from now? Here we go again. And it doesn't stop. I don't think that Shoot #'97 would work on the PC I currently have. It was a fun game, though. Wouldn't it be great if there were such a program as a language converter that could translate a program that won't work on your new system into something that would? There are so many programming languages, each with it's good and bad points, you probably couldn't handle them all. But how about the most commonly used ones for running on Windows 98, XP, and Windows 7? Oops, there are more and more Mac users all the time, and that other open source OS that I never can remember the spelling of. Linnex? There's the compatibility issue. This message was longer than intended. I gotta relax. Now, where's that nineteenth beta of MOTA! Whew! Good thing I've got it! --- Laughter is the best medicine, so look around, find a dose and take it to heart. - Original Message - From: Jeremy Kaldobsky jer...@kaldobsky.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 11:14 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] disrespect for gamers: was Re: Lunimals version 2.5b Well it seems that while I've been sleeping, this argument over programming languages has flared up once again. It seems like this happens at some point each month, and that is exactly why some of my fellow VB6 users view it as attacks rather than suggestions. In other aspects of life, you've undoubtedly had someone disagree with you about something, and they felt compelled to share their view in an effort to get you to do things their way. That's normal, and should be expected during life. If you listened to their opinion, but stuck to your own, at what point does it become inappropriate for them to bring it up again and again? Perhaps you'll listen to the same arguments 3 or 4 times, but when the other person is compelled to repeatedly push their opinion on you, it becomes a hostile situation. I'm not writing this to any one specific individual, so please let me make that clear. This is being written, generally, to the long list of people who are still pushing the same views after months and months. Actually, this has probably been going on for a lot longer, but I haven't been on audyssey for very long. I want to dispel this idea that we VB6
Re: [Audyssey] from an end user - Re: disrespect for gamers: was Re: Lunimals version 2.5b
Hi Charles, Smile. You have definitely raised several good points, and let me say that programmers have asked the same types of questions and have designed a few solutions for the problem. These days a majority of software is moving towardslanguages like C# .Net, Java, and Python precisely because those languages run atop a virtual machine, runtime environment, that acts as the middleman between your application and the operating system. The idea being that if there is a compatible runtime environment for your platform the application should run on that system without being recompiled regardless of type of CPU or operating system. Sun Micro System's Star Office is a prime example of a popular business application written in pure Java that runs on Mac, Linux, Solaris, and Windows without requiring separate builds for each. It is for that exact kind of portability why Microsoft converted Visual Basic to the .Net platform as to be able to write once and target any CPU or platform on demand without a lot of rewriting, compiling, or updating in mind. While I'm sure Microsoft didn't intend this its possible to run some VB .Net apps on Linux and Mac using the Mono Framework, an open source clone of .Net, which is more or less compatible with apps compiled for ther .Net 2.0 and .Net 3.0 frameworks. Although, C# .Net is generally the language of choice for people using Mono to develope cross-platform applications. However, the bottom line here is that there are realistic work arounds for the problem being developed. Its there for the taking if a developer wants to use those technologies. Its exactly for that reason that older languages like VB 6 are dying out among professionals, and are rapidly being replaced by alternatives like .Net. Its not just a matter of this is new and VB 6 is old, but in todays world it makes sense to try and adopt a technology like Java or C# .Net that allows you to design something that is more or less cross-platform compatible and resolve the problem of what CPU, operating system, etc to support by accessing it through a runtime environment rather than the target platform directly. Here is a great example of this in action. I don't know if you know this but the 7128 games, their gamebook is written in Java. One day I was curious if it would run on Linux so I installed Java 1.4.2, built and installed the Java Access Bridge for Linux, and ran the 7128 gamebook. It ran with no problems on Linux. Although, 7128 have specific Mac and Windows versions I've discovered with a little work their games can be made to run on Linux too. Its a bit harder to make a game written in VB 6 run on Linux as it requires a Windows emulator like wine, a boat load of dependencies to be installed, and even then there are cases like Shades of Doom that will crash under wine for no apparent reason. Cheers! On 6/9/11, Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I might get some geeky answers to this, and I might not. Anyway, this whole issue about what programming language should or should not be used, and why or why not, is interesting to me, but might not be to others. What it boils down to, to me, is this: A program, or in this case a computer game, is what? It's a set of instructions that the programmer wants a computer to read, process, and follow based on the commands given by the end user. Does the end user care about the language used to instruct their computer? No. The end user cares about whether their computer does or does not interpret the programmer's instructions correctly. Does this game, regardless of how it was written operate as it should on my computer? That's what counts. If a programmer writes programs that won't work on my PC, I'm not going to want more programs from that programmer. The industry dictates that I buy a new machine that is capable of using the most up to date operating system, and now all the games I have spent my money on, and the games I have gotten at no charge won't work on the newest technology. So, I buy the new PC. What about all this fun software of the past? It's obsolete. It's useless. Now, games are designed to work with Windows 7, which I have. Will they work on Windows 12 10 years from now? Here we go again. And it doesn't stop. I don't think that Shoot #'97 would work on the PC I currently have. It was a fun game, though. Wouldn't it be great if there were such a program as a language converter that could translate a program that won't work on your new system into something that would? There are so many programming languages, each with it's good and bad points, you probably couldn't handle them all. But how about the most commonly used ones for running on Windows 98, XP, and Windows 7? Oops, there are more and more Mac users all the time, and that other open source OS that I never can remember the spelling of. Linnex? There's the compatibility issue. This message was
[Audyssey] Moderator VB 6 Topics
Hi all, First, I would like to opologise to those whom I have offended by expressing my opinions etc. Second, I would like to opologise to the rest of the list as well for allowing the topic to continue on for as long as I have. I'm sorry, but I personally should have known better than to let things drag out as long as they have, and like any hot topic things tended to get out of hand quicker than expected. For that reason first let's close all the VB 6 topics. Second, to keep this sort of thing happening again I think I need to talk to Damien and Kevin about ammending the guidelines banning certain discussions such as weather the one we just had over weather or not a developer is right, wrong, or otherwise for using language x. That really doesn't have a place on a list like this anyway, and the last thing we need to do is divide our community over issues like this. I think we all agree we definitely don't want to drive our developers away just because we can't agree on some technical details etc. With that said let's get back to gaming, and put this discussion behind us once and for all. Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Help with creating a I.F.
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Re: [Audyssey] Registering Self Destruct was:Re: Links for Old Titles
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[Audyssey] Rock Band 3: Grenade expert pro keys GS
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