Re: [Audyssey] we need your help!
well tom I am 25 and I still don't have a credit card or a job. I can make direct transfers though if I need to. At 03:02 p.m. 8/04/2008, you wrote: Hi Claudio, Quote I am only 15 years old! End quote Now I understand. Like several others one of my big questions was why you wouldn't just pay for the Basic 4PPC IDE on your own. Now, that I understand you are only 15, and don't own a credit card or debit card this makes things much clearer. It would be a different case if you were 20 or 25 with a job or SSI with some kind of income coming in. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Lol misswings, I'm afraid dragon's den isn't a game, it's a tv program here in the Uk. there are six multi-milionaires, aka the dragons, and people have chance to pitch their business ideas to them in an effort to persuade them to part with some cash in order to get their business started, and by cash we're talking up to a hundred thousand pounds, which is I think somewhere in the region of a hundred and ninety thousand dollars at the moment. It's quite amusing, especially when the dragons get some rediculously stupid business idea, sinse they don't exactly hold back on their opinions. You can see though why the recent situation with claudio asking for money to help with his programming sort of reminded me of this. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I am 25, do have a creddit card but have exactly the opposite of a job, in that I spend lots of time and effort working on my Phd, and pay someone else (my uni), for the honour of doing so, lol! Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: shaun everiss [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 9:26 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] we need your help! well tom I am 25 and I still don't have a credit card or a job. I can make direct transfers though if I need to. At 03:02 p.m. 8/04/2008, you wrote: Hi Claudio, Quote I am only 15 years old! End quote Now I understand. Like several others one of my big questions was why you wouldn't just pay for the Basic 4PPC IDE on your own. Now, that I understand you are only 15, and don't own a credit card or debit card this makes things much clearer. It would be a different case if you were 20 or 25 with a job or SSI with some kind of income coming in. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.9/1365 - Release Date: 08/04/2008 07:30 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] we need your help!
My! Point! Exactly! Go! Easy! On! The punctuation! Cory! wrote! || why? do! you! use so many exclemations! just a question! || - Original Message - || From: Claudio [EMAIL PROTECTED] || To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Gamers Discussion list || gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 12:02 PM || Subject: Re: [Audyssey] we need your help! || || ||| Hi Louis! ||| Yes, java runs on mac and also on linux. ||| But the java language is pretty hard to learn! ||| If you have time, then gife it a look. ||| But if not, leet it be! ||| Regards, Claudio. ||| ||| --- ||| Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org ||| If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to ||| [EMAIL PROTECTED] ||| You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at ||| http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. ||| All messages are archived and can be searched and read at ||| http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ||| If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of ||| the list, ||| please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ||| ||| __ NOD32 3007 (20080407) Information __ ||| ||| This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. ||| http://www.eset.com ||| ||| || || || --- || Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org || If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to || [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your || subscription via the web, at || http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. || All messages are archived and can be searched and read at || http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] || If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of || the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] || || __ NOD32 3007 (20080407) Information __ || || This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. || http://www.eset.com James Scholes E-Mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype:james.scholes AOL Instant Messenger:JamesScholes000 http://www.jamesscholes.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi. send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and see if that works - Original Message - From: James Scholes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 4:51 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] we need your help! Hi, at your mentioning of Golum, oh how I want to start talking about Lord of the Rings lol, so I will ask, is there an email command to turn messages on in Google Groups for the off topic list which runs along side this one? Because at the moment I'm stuck without mail from that group, and I don't feel like braving the Google Groups interface. Dark wrote: || H, I've only ever once or twice encountered E-mails from people || who || write with that kind of syntax, usually it's easy enough to tell in || writing || I find, though not necessarily in speech due to accent. || || In fact, at the moment in a story i'm writing I'm coming up with the || speech patterns for an alien with very different senses and concepts || to a || human, which is fun! || || Then again, I was introduced to golum at a very young age, lol! || || Beware the Grue! || || Dark. || - Original Message - || From: Charles Rivard [EMAIL PROTECTED] || To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org || Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 10:38 PM || Subject: Re: [Audyssey] we need your help! || || ||| Ever just skip over Emails from people who you don't understand ||| because of the way they try to convey their ideas? I think this is ||| the same principle. ||| There are people who live in Phoenix, Arizona, who I would never ||| use to create voice files for any game I produce because, frankly, ||| I cannot understand them. They would say, for example, You go ||| store for buy stuff me for? What they meant was Would you go to ||| the store to buy stuff for me? And they use such a heavy Mexican ||| accent, and they ask their question ||| so fast, there's no way I knew what they said. There's no way I ||| would even ||| contemplate having people pay for a game I produce if it sounded ||| like this. ||| ||| --- ||| Laughter is the best medicine. Look around you and find a dose. ||| - Original Message - ||| From: Dark [EMAIL PROTECTED] ||| To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org ||| Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 10:03 AM ||| Subject: Re: [Audyssey] we need your help! ||| ||| I must admit, I disagree with you here tom. It's probably something to do with being English and getting lots of american films, tv etc, but I have no problem with accents so long as the speech is understandable. One of my very best friends is russian, and though she's lived in the uk sinse she was twelve, she stil has a noticeable russian accent, actually if I ever need a female barbarian warrior for a game I was going to ask for her voice tallents (a roll she'd fulfill very well, though slightly type cast, lol!). Obviously there is situational type casting, afterall if your yee old arthurian England knight is speaking with a German accent, there's something wrong, but generally I don't mind. In fact, appologies for saying, but i find American accents in very Arthurian or tolkeen like fantasy slightly incongruous. Not off putting, --- I'd just prefer an English accent in that context given the choice sinse it seems to go with the genre for me, the way a very English cowboy in the old west would just sound wrong. I fully agree with you on the clarity issue though, if an accent is so pronounced as to be unclear to non-natives of that accent, it's not going to be great in an audiogame. beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 4:14 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] we need your help! | Hi Claudio, | | Quote | For the voice I se two possibilitys: | 1. I take a synthetick language like sapi or 2. I'll record it | with my voice. | | End quote | | Correct if I am wrong but your native language is German? If you | are going to be making games globally then you will likely want | to use a Sapi voice which is of good quality that is more or less | clear and unaccented for your products. If your personal English | and accent is not clear it could effect the over all end user | experience. | For example, Playing In the Darks racing game is an ok racing | game. However, the one thing that killed it for me was the voice | files for the directions, menus, and things. The guys accent | clearly wasn't American which was a bit jarring to me, and I
Re: [Audyssey] we need your help!
Hi Charles, Correct. In this respect programming languages are not all that different from foreign languages as most of the documentation out there is written in a standard language like C++ and then is translated into whatever programming language the end user needs it for. In all respects to my fellow developers they need to understand here that most of the documentation assumes you have attended a college or vocational school where C++ would have been amanditory requirement for a Computer Sience or Certified Software Engineering degree. So the author assumes you are coming at it from that background. If you are trying to access that documentation and your only experience is with Visual Basic you aren't going to be able to get much out of it unless you know a little C++ to fully understand the example. Another way to look at this is consider how English is used all over the world for business and government purposes. I have talked to several people from France, Germany, India, etc while I was in college and they all say they had to take English as well as their native tongue in school. So I imagine when with fellow countrymen they spoke freely in their native tongue. However, when turning in homework asignments, ordering food from McDonald's, etc they spoke English. The main reason it was the common language everyone knew and could communicate through. The same concept holds true for game programming and documentation. You can go out and get first rate advanced game programming books like A.I. for Game Developers, Programming Math and Physics, Game Programming Gems, etc but unless you have some knowledge in C++ I am not sure how well the documentation would carry over into your own game project written in some other language. That is like a Frenchman speaking directions to a guy who only knows English in French. Charles Rivard wrote: Are you saying that if we both know a commonly used language, and I were to need help with something I could not grasp in language B, you could give an example in language A, I would understand how it works, and could then write it in language B more easily? This makes sense. Thanks. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Oh okay! lol! Shows how much I know. Oh well ... it just sounded like some type of rpg game I guess! Sorry for the confusion ... smile. MissWings At 05:26 AM 4/8/2008, Dark wrote: Lol misswings, I'm afraid dragon's den isn't a game, it's a tv program here in the Uk. there are six multi-milionaires, aka the dragons, and people have chance to pitch their business ideas to them in an effort to persuade them to part with some cash in order to get their business started, and by cash we're talking up to a hundred thousand pounds, which is I think somewhere in the region of a hundred and ninety thousand dollars at the moment. It's quite amusing, especially when the dragons get some rediculously stupid business idea, sinse they don't exactly hold back on their opinions. You can see though why the recent situation with claudio asking for money to help with his programming sort of reminded me of this. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.9/1365 - Release Date: 4/8/2008 7:30 AM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.9/1365 - Release Date: 4/8/2008 7:30 AM --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] we need your help!
Hi Louis,
No problem. Below is a simple Java swing application that draws a 300 by
300 window and displays a graphic with hello world in the center. This
should hopefully be simple enough for your needs.
/*
* Hello World.
* Version 1.0.
* Written by Thomas Ward.
* Last updated April 8, 2008.
*/
// Import packages and classes.
import java.awt.*;
import java.awt.event.*;
import javax.swing.*;
public class Hello extends JFrame implements KeyListener {
// Hello class constructor.
// Initializes the Hello class,
// and creates the main window frame.
public Hello() {
// Setup application window.
super(Hello World!);
setSize(300, 300);
// Set close operation.
setDefaultCloseOperation(JFrame.EXIT_ON_CLOSE);
// Set the window focus.
setFocusable(true);
// Make the Window visible.
setVisible(true);
// Add keyboard listener
// to poll for keyboard input.
addKeyListener(this);
}
// Key pressed event.
// Checks to see if any keys are being held down.
public void keyPressed(KeyEvent key) {
// Was the escape key pressed?
// If so exit hello world.
if (key.getKeyCode() == KeyEvent.VK_ESCAPE) {
System.exit(0);
}
}
public void keyReleased(KeyEvent key) {}
public void keyTyped(KeyEvent key) {}
// Paint Hello world to the screen.
public void paintComponent(Graphics graphic) {
graphic.drawString(Hello, world!, 125, 95);
}
// Main method.
// Initializes the application.
public static void main (String[] args) {
new Hello();
}
}
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Hi Thomas, Could you possibly send me your Hello World program? I am
interested and want to see what Java looks like, and compare it to the
versions that claim to support Symbian. Thanks.
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No problem, I'd certainly like an rpg game involving going into a dragon's den and smighting dragons myself! As I said, i also wonder if the program hasn't made it over to the Us, as it was produced by the bbc. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: MissWings [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org; Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 10:41 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] we need your help! Oh okay! lol! Shows how much I know. Oh well ... it just sounded like some type of rpg game I guess! Sorry for the confusion ... smile. MissWings --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] we need your help!
Hi thomas et al;
I thought I'd just take this opportunity, since the matter of
coding ease has come up lately, with people not understanding code and
feeling it's too complex or such, to send along the simplest of java
Hello World apps to go with the more complex window-based app.
The below code will also print Hello World! to the screen, but in
a terminal or command line environment, rather than in a window.
// Define the class
public class Hello
{
// main routine for running the program
public static void main(String[] args)
{
// do the actual printing
System.out.println(Hello World!);
} // end main
} // end class
So that's all there is to it!… If you wanted to, you could even
put all this on one line of code, as in:
public class Hello{public static void main(String[] args)
{System.out.println(Hello World!);}}
But the previous way above is much, much better and easier to
read. Of course, you may, as I do, prefer the window approach, but
this is a very basic and easy way of doing this kind of app.
HOpe this makes sense and hope you all are having a wonderful day!…
Smiles,
Cara :)
.
On Apr 8, 2008, at 2:48 PM, Thomas Ward wrote:
Hi Louis,
No problem. Below is a simple Java swing application that draws a
300 by
300 window and displays a graphic with hello world in the center. This
should hopefully be simple enough for your needs.
/*
* Hello World.
* Version 1.0.
* Written by Thomas Ward.
* Last updated April 8, 2008.
*/
// Import packages and classes.
import java.awt.*;
import java.awt.event.*;
import javax.swing.*;
public class Hello extends JFrame implements KeyListener {
// Hello class constructor.
// Initializes the Hello class,
// and creates the main window frame.
public Hello() {
// Setup application window.
super(Hello World!);
setSize(300, 300);
// Set close operation.
setDefaultCloseOperation(JFrame.EXIT_ON_CLOSE);
// Set the window focus.
setFocusable(true);
// Make the Window visible.
setVisible(true);
// Add keyboard listener
// to poll for keyboard input.
addKeyListener(this);
}
// Key pressed event.
// Checks to see if any keys are being held down.
public void keyPressed(KeyEvent key) {
// Was the escape key pressed?
// If so exit hello world.
if (key.getKeyCode() == KeyEvent.VK_ESCAPE) {
System.exit(0);
}
}
public void keyReleased(KeyEvent key) {}
public void keyTyped(KeyEvent key) {}
// Paint Hello world to the screen.
public void paintComponent(Graphics graphic) {
graphic.drawString(Hello, world!, 125, 95);
}
// Main method.
// Initializes the application.
public static void main (String[] args) {
new Hello();
}
}
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Thomas, Could you possibly send me your Hello World program? I am
interested and want to see what Java looks like, and compare it to
the
versions that claim to support Symbian. Thanks.
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Hi claudio. I'm always willing to donate, but at the moment I'm slightly uncertain as to whether my donations would be helpful or not. suppose I were to donate the money, - and it turned out you got stuck in the language and couldn't develope games, or the games you developed weren't of a quality I'd wish to pay for. If lighttech asked me for a donation I'd do it like a shot, sinse I love their stuff, and if I could help preserve it and create more by providing money, well and good. while I understand that you can't provide games yet because of your lack of a language, perhaps some more information would help. What I want to know is: 1: what types of game do you have in mind developing. You've said you want to make games for windows and mobile phones, sinse I only have a Pc, I'm interested in the windows stuff, so what sort of stuff would it be, would it be self-voicing? What genre? 2: Your age and commitment. If you expect us to invest in your potential as a games developer, you need to impress us with your commitment. Will you be too busy with school work to create games? will you not be able to stick through the long developement process in order to finish off your games? 3: Your actual ability and passed acheivements. You are learning basic, but do you know anything else about programming? did you write your own website? Sorry if this seems harsh, I'm just trying to honestly spell out for you what I'd need to know before I'd considder giving money, even $54 to a potential developer of audio games. good luck. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hello dark! quote 1: what types of game do you have in mind developing. You've said you want to make games for windows and mobile phones, sinse I only have a Pc, I'm interested in the windows stuff, so what sort of stuff would it be, would it be self-voicing? What genre? Yes, the games are self voicing and the genre is racing. I'm thinking of making a game such as rail racer but with another backgrund and another goal. but before the racing game is here i have in mind to create little games for free. 2: Your age and commitment. If you expect us to invest in your potential as a games developer, you need to impress us with your commitment. Will you be too busy with school work to create games? will you not be able to stick through the long developement process in order to finish off your games? Why? Is develope a game a stress? Now! I'll take the time that I have that i want invest! Develope games is my hobby, and if i have to do with shool, i doo it and if i have freetime i develope my games. I am not like Thomas who bui games from other developers! I make that what i want and whenever i want do it! 3: Your actual ability and passed acheivements. You are learning basic, but do you know anything else about programming? did you write your own website? I learning basic 4 ppc and I know how hard it is to make a game. I am currently learning this language and I am happy with it. And a racing game would be possible with this language! But I say it here! I'll take the time that i need!! And if i have other things to do, i make a break, and if i have time, i'll continiu with developing my projekt! Regards, Claudio. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Man your answers to questions do not impress me. Also here's something else. If you don't have money, how will you invest in sound effects and voice talent for your games? - Original Message - From: Claudio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] we need your help! Hello dark! quote 1: what types of game do you have in mind developing. You've said you want to make games for windows and mobile phones, sinse I only have a Pc, I'm interested in the windows stuff, so what sort of stuff would it be, would it be self-voicing? What genre? Yes, the games are self voicing and the genre is racing. I'm thinking of making a game such as rail racer but with another backgrund and another goal. but before the racing game is here i have in mind to create little games for free. 2: Your age and commitment. If you expect us to invest in your potential as a games developer, you need to impress us with your commitment. Will you be too busy with school work to create games? will you not be able to stick through the long developement process in order to finish off your games? Why? Is develope a game a stress? Now! I'll take the time that I have that i want invest! Develope games is my hobby, and if i have to do with shool, i doo it and if i have freetime i develope my games. I am not like Thomas who bui games from other developers! I make that what i want and whenever i want do it! 3: Your actual ability and passed acheivements. You are learning basic, but do you know anything else about programming? did you write your own website? I learning basic 4 ppc and I know how hard it is to make a game. I am currently learning this language and I am happy with it. And a racing game would be possible with this language! But I say it here! I'll take the time that i need!! And if i have other things to do, i make a break, and if i have time, i'll continiu with developing my projekt! Regards, Claudio. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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As lighttech have certainly proved, it's possible to create games using free sounds and volunteer voices I think, but I'm afraid your answers to the other questions thus far Claudio I don't find particularly convincing at the moment. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Yohandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 3:16 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] we need your help! Man your answers to questions do not impress me. Also here's something else. If you don't have money, how will you invest in sound effects and voice talent for your games? - Original Message - From: Claudio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] we need your help! Hello dark! quote 1: what types of game do you have in mind developing. You've said you want to make games for windows and mobile phones, sinse I only have a Pc, I'm interested in the windows stuff, so what sort of stuff would it be, would it be self-voicing? What genre? Yes, the games are self voicing and the genre is racing. I'm thinking of making a game such as rail racer but with another backgrund and another goal. but before the racing game is here i have in mind to create little games for free. 2: Your age and commitment. If you expect us to invest in your potential as a games developer, you need to impress us with your commitment. Will you be too busy with school work to create games? will you not be able to stick through the long developement process in order to finish off your games? Why? Is develope a game a stress? Now! I'll take the time that I have that i want invest! Develope games is my hobby, and if i have to do with shool, i doo it and if i have freetime i develope my games. I am not like Thomas who bui games from other developers! I make that what i want and whenever i want do it! 3: Your actual ability and passed acheivements. You are learning basic, but do you know anything else about programming? did you write your own website? I learning basic 4 ppc and I know how hard it is to make a game. I am currently learning this language and I am happy with it. And a racing game would be possible with this language! But I say it here! I'll take the time that i need!! And if i have other things to do, i make a break, and if i have time, i'll continiu with developing my projekt! Regards, Claudio. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.8/1362 - Release Date: 06/04/2008 11:12 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hello Johandi! For the voice I se two possibilitys: 1. I take a synthetick language like sapi or 2. I'll record it with my voice. And for the sound effects I'll know enuck people who help me. Regards, Claudio. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Dark, Yeah, these are exactly the kinds of questions I have as well. It is not so much the money that bothers me but if he will be able to stick with it, and bring something to the community of high quality and something i would personally enjoy. Claudio is pretty mum about his projects and ideas which is fair, but I can't see investing unless I know more about his games and ideas, and if he will be able to finish what he starts. Dark wrote: Hi claudio. I'm always willing to donate, but at the moment I'm slightly uncertain as to whether my donations would be helpful or not. suppose I were to donate the money, - and it turned out you got stuck in the language and couldn't develope games, or the games you developed weren't of a quality I'd wish to pay for. If lighttech asked me for a donation I'd do it like a shot, sinse I love their stuff, and if I could help preserve it and create more by providing money, well and good. while I understand that you can't provide games yet because of your lack of a language, perhaps some more information would help. What I want to know is: 1: what types of game do you have in mind developing. You've said you want to make games for windows and mobile phones, sinse I only have a Pc, I'm interested in the windows stuff, so what sort of stuff would it be, would it be self-voicing? What genre? 2: Your age and commitment. If you expect us to invest in your potential as a games developer, you need to impress us with your commitment. Will you be too busy with school work to create games? will you not be able to stick through the long developement process in order to finish off your games? 3: Your actual ability and passed acheivements. You are learning basic, but do you know anything else about programming? did you write your own website? Sorry if this seems harsh, I'm just trying to honestly spell out for you what I'd need to know before I'd considder giving money, even $54 to a potential developer of audio games. good luck. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Claudio, If I might can I offer a bit of advice? As a new developer your reputation is at stake, and the last thing you want to do is give your customer base a wrong impression of you. Coming out and asking for money to get started is, well, not a great way to incurrage investers into your new game company. This is by no means a flame, but I want you to think of a couple of points below just for some consideration. 1. As a result of being a totally new programmer you have no history with the blind gaming community. No one has had a chance to sample any game titles from you, seen how well you program, if you make interesting games, etc. In short you haven't had a real opertunity to prove yourself to everyone. 2. When you ask a community such as ours to pay for the Basic 4PPC compiler it says to a lot of us you aren't going to be able to license quality music and sounds for your games. I have spent almost $300 on sound effects and music for my Tomb Hunter games so far and that is six times the price of that single compiler. Granted I was helped by selling Montezuma's Return, but the fact of the matter is if you want professional high quality sound effects you need a lot more cash than the $54 for the Basic 4PPC compiler. That puts a lot of doubt in my mind if you are finantially equipped to do production quality audio games. 3. I apologise if this seams sinical, but there are lots of free alternatives out there such as C++, Java, Visual C#, etc with a huge amount of free documentation out there for free. Every time I have attempted to interest you in a more low cost solution you say, that isn't for me. Ok, that is fine, but think of this. The fact of the matter is you don't have the money to invest in Basic 4PPC, and maybe it is time you look at more low cost solutions to get your feet wet in programming. To quote an Americanism, beggers can't be choosy. 4. As a fellow programmer I can see you are really struggling to understand something as simple as Visual Basic. As programming languages goes VB is an extremely easy programming language to learn, and if you can't grasp a language like Visual Basic your definitly not ready for full production games. Visual Basic is called that because it is a basic language, light on syntax, rules, and lacks more of the advanced features of C Style languages. It is very very basic. 5. Every time I begin taking on a programming student I incurrage them to learn a C or C style language. Have you ever stopped to ask yourself if there might be a practical reason for that? Besides my own personal preference for C style languages like C++, C#, and Java there is a very practical reason for choosing as I do. The professional game world uses C++ for the majority of games, code examples, and is filled with C++ programmers. If you were wishing to join a mainstream game development list for help you would litterally have to speak their language. In this case showing a code example in C++ or similar would get the most help. For example, not long ago I got and read a book on advanced A.I. systems for computers. Guess what? The entire book was full of code examples in C++. Had I not had even a basic grasp of the language I would have gotten nothing out of the book. As I have had both experience writing and reading C++ source the code examples were of help to me. If I was only a Basic programmer I wouldn't have gotten anything out of it. 6. I really do not mean this harshly, but many of us on this list are going through financial difficulties ourselves. Here in the U.S.A. the country is going through a financial period of massive inflation. The value of the American dollar is falling, gas prices have sky-rocketed out of control, utility bills have gone up, basic house hold needs have gone up in price, and everyone I personally know is in a bit of a financial crunch of one kind or another. Whoever takes office in 2009 is going to have one dandy of an economic mess to clean up after 8 years of what boils down to incompitence and mismanagement of physical responcibilities. Anyway, to the point with things as they are I don't know of anyone who has money to spend on donations or investments in an unknown company without a really good reason to do so. Things are tight enough as it is for some of us in the U.S.A. let alone spending out an extra $54 we could use for public transpertation or something else that is a necessity. Claudio wrote: Hello all! Currently I am learning basic 4ppc and i am very happy to say it gooes on! I am looking forward and i am thinking that it is possible for me to create games with this language! Thanks also to Louis Bryand for his very helpfull emails and for his help. We only have one problem that might very inpossible. The mony! If you have the energi to make things and if your only problem is the mony it is a very grand opstakle! Again guys, if anyone here is willing to help me and if
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Hi Claudio, Quote I'm thinking of making a game such as rail racer but with another background. End quote Ok, are you going to have multiplayer or single player game play. For me the major feature of Rail Racer is the fact it has really good multiplayer racing support. If you are going to do that how good is Basic 4PPC's networking APIs for games? Quote Is develope a game a stress End quote It certainly canbe if you have commercial products for sale and you have to offer technical support, product keys, and deal with customers who want this or that done the day before yesterday. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hello Thomas! I feel you all need an example from what i can do. But how? I can't begin programanythings before i don't have the invironment. Regards, Claudio. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Claudio, Quote For the voice I se two possibilitys: 1. I take a synthetick language like sapi or 2. I'll record it with my voice. End quote Correct if I am wrong but your native language is German? If you are going to be making games globally then you will likely want to use a Sapi voice which is of good quality that is more or less clear and unaccented for your products. If your personal English and accent is not clear it could effect the over all end user experience. For example, Playing In the Darks racing game is an ok racing game. However, the one thing that killed it for me was the voice files for the directions, menus, and things. The guys accent clearly wasn't American which was a bit jarring to me, and I personally wasn't too fond of his voice. In hind sight Eloquence would have been preferable over the voice that was used. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hello Thomas! First of all, c or c++ is niot a language to beginn!!! The code is very hard to understand and if you dont have very huge knofledges in programming you wuldn't understand it. And for Vb I wuldn't program in it because i don't can create games for mobile fones!!! Basic 4ppc is one of the easist way to program games or software for the windows mobile fones. And now Thomas, I completely understand about what do you talk. You mean: Why musst i spend for a company where i don't know wich games they produce? You're completely right and I think that this is the wrong way for starting a new company. I also look for another possibility to continiuing with basic4ppc because i think this is the best language for programming mobile fones. And for Java, I definitely wuldn't learn this language! And now, i try to explayn why: For three monts ago i began to look for a good language for me. I have read several little tutorials and I have ask me: What's the right language for you? Wich language do you learn fast and wich language is not to hard for you? I read, I search and I've fund. Basic4ppc, that language for me. And as i have heared that i also can support programs for windows mobile fones i was very happy and i'll start to learn. Regards, Claudio. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Ok Thomas, i'll take dectalk, sapi or so. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Claudio, go easy on the exclamation marks lol. Claudio wrote: || Hello dark! || || quote || 1: what types of game do you have in mind developing. You've said || you want || to make games for windows and mobile phones, sinse I only have || a Pc, || I'm interested in the windows stuff, so what sort of stuff would it || be, || would it be self-voicing? What genre? || || Yes, the games are self voicing and the genre is racing. || I'm thinking of making a game such as rail racer but with another || backgrund and another goal. || || but before the racing game is here i have in mind to create little || games for free. || || 2: Your age and commitment. If you expect us to invest in your || potential as || a games developer, you need to impress us with your commitment. Will || you be too busy with school work to create games? will you not be || able to stick through the long developement process in order to || finish off your games? || || Why? || Is develope a game a stress? || Now! || I'll take the time that I have that i want invest! || Develope games is my hobby, and if i have to do with shool, i doo it || and if || i have freetime i develope my games. || I am not like Thomas who bui games from other developers! || I make that what i want and whenever i want do it! || || 3: Your actual ability and passed acheivements. You are learning || basic, but do you know anything else about programming? did you || write your own website? || || I learning basic 4 ppc and I know how hard it is to make a game. || I am currently learning this language and I am happy with it. || And a racing game would be possible with this language! || But I say it here! || I'll take the time that i need!! || And if i have other things to do, i make a break, and if i have || time, i'll continiu with developing my projekt! || Regards, Claudio. || || || --- || Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org || If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to || [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your || subscription via the web, at || http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. || All messages are archived and can be searched and read at || http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] || If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of || the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] || || __ NOD32 3007 (20080407) Information __ || || This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. || http://www.eset.com James Scholes E-Mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype:james.scholes AOL Instant Messenger:JamesScholes000 http://www.jamesscholes.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi all, First of all, c or c++ is niot a language to beginn!!! hm, hm, in my opinion you should understand one of the most popular languages like c++, delphi, java, or vb ... At the moment I have'nt looked at Basic4PPC, but can you create games for both platforms, Windows cE and standard windows? If not, how many of us have a mobile device to play games on it? And if you plan to create games for mobile use, why not under symbian? Yes, yes, the money, but before you have not a game ready, there is no chance to sell your games. Best regards Marco Mar-dy Team www.mar-dy.com The code is very hard to understand and if you dont have very huge knofledges in programming you wuldn't understand it. And for Vb I wuldn't program in it because i don't can create games for mobile fones!!! Basic 4ppc is one of the easist way to program games or software for the windows mobile fones. And now Thomas, I completely understand about what do you talk. You mean: Why musst i spend for a company where i don't know wich games they produce? You're completely right and I think that this is the wrong way for starting a new company. I also look for another possibility to continiuing with basic4ppc because i think this is the best language for programming mobile fones. And for Java, I definitely wuldn't learn this language! And now, i try to explayn why: For three monts ago i began to look for a good language for me. I have read several little tutorials and I have ask me: What's the right language for you? Wich language do you learn fast and wich language is not to hard for you? I read, I search and I've fund. Basic4ppc, that language for me. And as i have heared that i also can support programs for windows mobile fones i was very happy and i'll start to learn. Regards, Claudio. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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thanks tom, I was feeling a litle bit like one of the dragons from Dragon's den there looking at a potential idea to invest in ;D. (appologies if Dragon's den hasn't made it to the Us yet). I have been known to donate to things before, such as project.aon, and a couple of audio book sites (see my recent post to the otteasy list), because I like their stuff. It's therefore not beyond the bounds of possibility that I'd donate to a game dev, but only if they can provide me with appropriate reasons, so the ball is in your court now Claudio. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To quote both spok and Davros, -- Fascinating! If I ever get the time and energy to actually learn programming languages myself (and things being what they are with my phd and some other pretty awful matters in my life at the moment, that seems quite a big if), I'll bear this in mind. Interesting about the economic situation in the Us, I gathered from the finance updates on classic fm that things weren't good, but I didn't know this was affecting people on an individual level, bbut I'd better stop here before this gets political. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I must admit, I disagree with you here tom. It's probably something to do with being English and getting lots of american films, tv etc, but I have no problem with accents so long as the speech is understandable. One of my very best friends is russian, and though she's lived in the uk sinse she was twelve, she stil has a noticeable russian accent, actually if I ever need a female barbarian warrior for a game I was going to ask for her voice tallents (a roll she'd fulfill very well, though slightly type cast, lol!). Obviously there is situational type casting, afterall if your yee old arthurian England knight is speaking with a German accent, there's something wrong, but generally I don't mind. In fact, appologies for saying, but i find American accents in very Arthurian or tolkeen like fantasy slightly incongruous. Not off putting, --- I'd just prefer an English accent in that context given the choice sinse it seems to go with the genre for me, the way a very English cowboy in the old west would just sound wrong. I fully agree with you on the clarity issue though, if an accent is so pronounced as to be unclear to non-natives of that accent, it's not going to be great in an audiogame. beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 4:14 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] we need your help! Hi Claudio, Quote For the voice I se two possibilitys: 1. I take a synthetick language like sapi or 2. I'll record it with my voice. End quote Correct if I am wrong but your native language is German? If you are going to be making games globally then you will likely want to use a Sapi voice which is of good quality that is more or less clear and unaccented for your products. If your personal English and accent is not clear it could effect the over all end user experience. For example, Playing In the Darks racing game is an ok racing game. However, the one thing that killed it for me was the voice files for the directions, menus, and things. The guys accent clearly wasn't American which was a bit jarring to me, and I personally wasn't too fond of his voice. In hind sight Eloquence would have been preferable over the voice that was used. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.8/1362 - Release Date: 06/04/2008 11:12 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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That's indeed a point Marko, as I said, I don't have a mobile phone, or at least not an accessible sterrio one I could play games on, again, because of the high price and my financial inadequacy. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Marco Steinebach - Mardy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 5:39 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] we need your help! Hi all, First of all, c or c++ is niot a language to beginn!!! hm, hm, in my opinion you should understand one of the most popular languages like c++, delphi, java, or vb ... At the moment I have'nt looked at Basic4PPC, but can you create games for both platforms, Windows cE and standard windows? If not, how many of us have a mobile device to play games on it? And if you plan to create games for mobile use, why not under symbian? Yes, yes, the money, but before you have not a game ready, there is no chance to sell your games. Best regards Marco Mar-dy Team www.mar-dy.com The code is very hard to understand and if you dont have very huge knofledges in programming you wuldn't understand it. And for Vb I wuldn't program in it because i don't can create games for mobile fones!!! Basic 4ppc is one of the easist way to program games or software for the windows mobile fones. And now Thomas, I completely understand about what do you talk. You mean: Why musst i spend for a company where i don't know wich games they produce? You're completely right and I think that this is the wrong way for starting a new company. I also look for another possibility to continiuing with basic4ppc because i think this is the best language for programming mobile fones. And for Java, I definitely wuldn't learn this language! And now, i try to explayn why: For three monts ago i began to look for a good language for me. I have read several little tutorials and I have ask me: What's the right language for you? Wich language do you learn fast and wich language is not to hard for you? I read, I search and I've fund. Basic4ppc, that language for me. And as i have heared that i also can support programs for windows mobile fones i was very happy and i'll start to learn. Regards, Claudio. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.8/1362 - Release Date: 06/04/2008 11:12 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hello Marco! That's your oppinion, but my opinnion is another.. The games I create will run also on the pc. And, I know several good languages for symbian but they are to hard to learn and i wuldn't learn these. I am happy whit that language, and i will see that i can get it on a legal way!!! Regards, Claudio. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Dragon's Den rules! And I believe it has made it to the US. OK, off topic here, so not going to post anymore on UK TV programs... Dark wrote: || thanks tom, || || I was feeling a litle bit like one of the dragons from Dragon's den || there looking at a potential idea to invest in ;D. (appologies if || Dragon's den hasn't made it to the Us yet). || || I have been known to donate to things before, such as project.aon, || and a couple of audio book sites (see my recent post to the otteasy || list), because I like their stuff. It's therefore not beyond the || bounds of possibility that I'd donate to a game dev, but only || if they can provide me with appropriate reasons, so the ball is || in your court now Claudio. || || Beware the Grue! || || Dark. || || || --- || Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org || If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to || [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your || subscription via the web, at || http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. || All messages are archived and can be searched and read at || http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] || If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of || the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] || || __ NOD32 3007 (20080407) Information __ || || This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. || http://www.eset.com James Scholes E-Mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype:james.scholes AOL Instant Messenger:JamesScholes000 http://www.jamesscholes.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Dark, Well, my issue with accented English was more to do with clarity rather than to do with acting and context. By all means if you have need of a Russian spy like in a James Bond type setting get a Russian to play the part as it will sound more authentic. If you are doing a game on World War II and you need a person to play the part of a German officer then by all means get someone with a Germanic accent. Accent really depends on the type of story or setting being told. One of my friends, Silvia, was from Germany, and she was pretty clear. Her English was very clear and her accent was not very strong. However, I did meet others in college who had very broken English and a very thick accent of their native language and it was difficult to always piece there words together with the accent and broken English. That would not be good in a game. Dark wrote: I must admit, I disagree with you here tom. It's probably something to do with being English and getting lots of american films, tv etc, but I have no problem with accents so long as the speech is understandable. One of my very best friends is russian, and though she's lived in the uk sinse she was twelve, she stil has a noticeable russian accent, actually if I ever need a female barbarian warrior for a game I was going to ask for her voice tallents (a roll she'd fulfill very well, though slightly type cast, lol!). Obviously there is situational type casting, afterall if your yee old arthurian England knight is speaking with a German accent, there's something wrong, but generally I don't mind. In fact, appologies for saying, but i find American accents in very Arthurian or tolkeen like fantasy slightly incongruous. Not off putting, --- I'd just prefer an English accent in that context given the choice sinse it seems to go with the genre for me, the way a very English cowboy in the old west would just sound wrong. I fully agree with you on the clarity issue though, if an accent is so pronounced as to be unclear to non-natives of that accent, it's not going to be great in an audiogame. beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hello guis! As i have sayed in a previous post, the games will run on windows mobile fones, and also on the pc. Regards, Claudio. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Agreed tom, clarity is very necessary, and I've certainly encountered people with such accents at my un (though as I said, not counting my russian friend). In fact, I would not use someone with a highly pronounced newcastle accent (a jordy accent as it's known up here), in a game because unless your used to it, it can be slightly uninteligeable. My main disagreement was with your example of topspeed 2 as being unclear and unatmospheric, personally I didn't have a problem with the voice in the game, and I actually felt the european English gave things a nice Grandprix type atmosphere, sinse I personally always associate motorracing with continental europe. the fact that I'm utterly pants at racing was my main obstacle in topspeed 2. I also didn't find the accent there unclear at all. Obviously though, there's going to be a fair amount of individuality in this, and I will admit I generally prefer humans to synths, unless they are very bad human voices, or very good synths such as the scansoft voices. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 6:41 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] we need your help! Hi Dark, Well, my issue with accented English was more to do with clarity rather than to do with acting and context. By all means if you have need of a Russian spy like in a James Bond type setting get a Russian to play the part as it will sound more authentic. If you are doing a game on World War II and you need a person to play the part of a German officer then by all means get someone with a Germanic accent. Accent really depends on the type of story or setting being told. One of my friends, Silvia, was from Germany, and she was pretty clear. Her English was very clear and her accent was not very strong. However, I did meet others in college who had very broken English and a very thick accent of their native language and it was difficult to always piece there words together with the accent and broken English. That would not be good in a game. Dark wrote: I must admit, I disagree with you here tom. It's probably something to do with being English and getting lots of american films, tv etc, but I have no problem with accents so long as the speech is understandable. One of my very best friends is russian, and though she's lived in the uk sinse she was twelve, she stil has a noticeable russian accent, actually if I ever need a female barbarian warrior for a game I was going to ask for her voice tallents (a roll she'd fulfill very well, though slightly type cast, lol!). Obviously there is situational type casting, afterall if your yee old arthurian England knight is speaking with a German accent, there's something wrong, but generally I don't mind. In fact, appologies for saying, but i find American accents in very Arthurian or tolkeen like fantasy slightly incongruous. Not off putting, --- I'd just prefer an English accent in that context given the choice sinse it seems to go with the genre for me, the way a very English cowboy in the old west would just sound wrong. I fully agree with you on the clarity issue though, if an accent is so pronounced as to be unclear to non-natives of that accent, it's not going to be great in an audiogame. beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.8/1362 - Release Date: 06/04/2008 11:12 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Dragons den doth indeed rock! Might I suggest that it's just for this sort of situation that the oteasy list exists. You can sign up at http://groups.google.com/group/otessey/ and then feel free to chin wag about Dragons den, Tv programs or indeed anything else! Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Claudio, That is definitly a quandry. Honestly though I believe you are the first developer I know of that comes asking for hand outs and donations before he has learned to program. That makes it impossible for anyone to judge your skills as a programmer, game developer, and businessman. Without those things few people are probably willing to lay the money on the line. I do have a question and it might be a personal one so feel free to answer or not answer at your descression. Why is it that you can not raise the money yourself? Claudio wrote: Hello Thomas! I feel you all need an example from what i can do. But how? I can't begin programanythings before i don't have the invironment. Regards, Claudio. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi, I see you want to create games for mobile phones, but I do suggest trying VB.. and yes I looked into Basic4PPC, and it requires some framework to be installed. Not everybody wants to do that..keep that in mind... -Ryan --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Dark. Did Light-tech have games that you can freely download so you could decide whether to support them or not? Are you a game developer and what did it take to get your stuff off the ground? Maybe giving suggestions to someone like Claudio would help instead of being so critical? I started out having the same issues as Claudio, but managed because I saved up for the language after trying it out, and because of my persistence to keep Mobile game development coming I have plenty of visitors and few donators, though I am grateful for what I do get! . Now, Claudio, how old are you? If you are over 18, you could buy the language with a credit card. I'll see about donating sometime to you in a month or so as money here for me is quite low. HTH. - Original Message - From: Dark [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 7:39 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] we need your help! As lighttech have certainly proved, it's possible to create games using free sounds and volunteer voices I think, but I'm afraid your answers to the other questions thus far Claudio I don't find particularly convincing at the moment. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Yohandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 3:16 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] we need your help! Man your answers to questions do not impress me. Also here's something else. If you don't have money, how will you invest in sound effects and voice talent for your games? - Original Message - From: Claudio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] we need your help! Hello dark! quote 1: what types of game do you have in mind developing. You've said you want to make games for windows and mobile phones, sinse I only have a Pc, I'm interested in the windows stuff, so what sort of stuff would it be, would it be self-voicing? What genre? Yes, the games are self voicing and the genre is racing. I'm thinking of making a game such as rail racer but with another backgrund and another goal. but before the racing game is here i have in mind to create little games for free. 2: Your age and commitment. If you expect us to invest in your potential as a games developer, you need to impress us with your commitment. Will you be too busy with school work to create games? will you not be able to stick through the long developement process in order to finish off your games? Why? Is develope a game a stress? Now! I'll take the time that I have that i want invest! Develope games is my hobby, and if i have to do with shool, i doo it and if i have freetime i develope my games. I am not like Thomas who bui games from other developers! I make that what i want and whenever i want do it! 3: Your actual ability and passed acheivements. You are learning basic, but do you know anything else about programming? did you write your own website? I learning basic 4 ppc and I know how hard it is to make a game. I am currently learning this language and I am happy with it. And a racing game would be possible with this language! But I say it here! I'll take the time that i need!! And if i have other things to do, i make a break, and if i have time, i'll continiu with developing my projekt! Regards, Claudio. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.8/1362 - Release Date: 06/04/2008 11:12 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list
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Hi. Basic4ppc's networking capability is as good as any other language. You can also do Multithreaded games, as Showdown for the Pocket PC was done. I've written a very accessible IRC Client for the Pocket PC and plan on porting it over to the Icon and BraillePlus on Linux once I learn the Network API of Python. Also my games will be updated sometime this summer with multiplayer Internet and Bluetooth support so users around the world using Pocket PC'S and Smartphones running Windows Mobile can chat and play games. HTH. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 8:06 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] we need your help! Hi Claudio, Quote I'm thinking of making a game such as rail racer but with another background. End quote Ok, are you going to have multiplayer or single player game play. For me the major feature of Rail Racer is the fact it has really good multiplayer racing support. If you are going to do that how good is Basic 4PPC's networking APIs for games? Quote Is develope a game a stress End quote It certainly canbe if you have commercial products for sale and you have to offer technical support, product keys, and deal with customers who want this or that done the day before yesterday. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.486 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1210 - Release Date: 1/5/2008 11:46 AM --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Dark and all, I just received this email and take my last message back, you responded in the message below. Claudio they have good points. Maybe we can look at another language for you that is free and do something together? It'll take time, but I want to see more games out there for Mobile platforms. HTH. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 7:49 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] we need your help! Hi Claudio, If I might can I offer a bit of advice? As a new developer your reputation is at stake, and the last thing you want to do is give your customer base a wrong impression of you. Coming out and asking for money to get started is, well, not a great way to incurrage investers into your new game company. This is by no means a flame, but I want you to think of a couple of points below just for some consideration. 1. As a result of being a totally new programmer you have no history with the blind gaming community. No one has had a chance to sample any game titles from you, seen how well you program, if you make interesting games, etc. In short you haven't had a real opertunity to prove yourself to everyone. 2. When you ask a community such as ours to pay for the Basic 4PPC compiler it says to a lot of us you aren't going to be able to license quality music and sounds for your games. I have spent almost $300 on sound effects and music for my Tomb Hunter games so far and that is six times the price of that single compiler. Granted I was helped by selling Montezuma's Return, but the fact of the matter is if you want professional high quality sound effects you need a lot more cash than the $54 for the Basic 4PPC compiler. That puts a lot of doubt in my mind if you are finantially equipped to do production quality audio games. 3. I apologise if this seams sinical, but there are lots of free alternatives out there such as C++, Java, Visual C#, etc with a huge amount of free documentation out there for free. Every time I have attempted to interest you in a more low cost solution you say, that isn't for me. Ok, that is fine, but think of this. The fact of the matter is you don't have the money to invest in Basic 4PPC, and maybe it is time you look at more low cost solutions to get your feet wet in programming. To quote an Americanism, beggers can't be choosy. 4. As a fellow programmer I can see you are really struggling to understand something as simple as Visual Basic. As programming languages goes VB is an extremely easy programming language to learn, and if you can't grasp a language like Visual Basic your definitly not ready for full production games. Visual Basic is called that because it is a basic language, light on syntax, rules, and lacks more of the advanced features of C Style languages. It is very very basic. 5. Every time I begin taking on a programming student I incurrage them to learn a C or C style language. Have you ever stopped to ask yourself if there might be a practical reason for that? Besides my own personal preference for C style languages like C++, C#, and Java there is a very practical reason for choosing as I do. The professional game world uses C++ for the majority of games, code examples, and is filled with C++ programmers. If you were wishing to join a mainstream game development list for help you would litterally have to speak their language. In this case showing a code example in C++ or similar would get the most help. For example, not long ago I got and read a book on advanced A.I. systems for computers. Guess what? The entire book was full of code examples in C++. Had I not had even a basic grasp of the language I would have gotten nothing out of the book. As I have had both experience writing and reading C++ source the code examples were of help to me. If I was only a Basic programmer I wouldn't have gotten anything out of it. 6. I really do not mean this harshly, but many of us on this list are going through financial difficulties ourselves. Here in the U.S.A. the country is going through a financial period of massive inflation. The value of the American dollar is falling, gas prices have sky-rocketed out of control, utility bills have gone up, basic house hold needs have gone up in price, and everyone I personally know is in a bit of a financial crunch of one kind or another. Whoever takes office in 2009 is going to have one dandy of an economic mess to clean up after 8 years of what boils down to incompitence and mismanagement of physical responcibilities. Anyway, to the point with things as they are I don't know of anyone who has money to spend on donations or investments in an unknown company without a really good reason to do so. Things are tight enough as it is for some of us in the U.S.A. let alone spending out an extra $54 we could use for public transpertation or something else
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Hello Ryan! I know that the people who wants play my games musst install the framework but I think if the people wants games for the mobile, they musst work a bit. Sorry, but the costomer can't say yes yes, the developer do that all for me. A bit bit musst the costomer also work... Regards, Claudio. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi. Basic4ppc does allow support for standard Windows. Currently, I'm looking into Symbian development as well as Linux development. I'm giving Java a try since it runs on those 2 platforms, however I hear Java on Symbian sucks? . HTH. - Original Message - From: Marco Steinebach - Mardy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 9:39 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] we need your help! Hi all, First of all, c or c++ is niot a language to beginn!!! hm, hm, in my opinion you should understand one of the most popular languages like c++, delphi, java, or vb ... At the moment I have'nt looked at Basic4PPC, but can you create games for both platforms, Windows cE and standard windows? If not, how many of us have a mobile device to play games on it? And if you plan to create games for mobile use, why not under symbian? Yes, yes, the money, but before you have not a game ready, there is no chance to sell your games. Best regards Marco Mar-dy Team www.mar-dy.com The code is very hard to understand and if you dont have very huge knofledges in programming you wuldn't understand it. And for Vb I wuldn't program in it because i don't can create games for mobile fones!!! Basic 4ppc is one of the easist way to program games or software for the windows mobile fones. And now Thomas, I completely understand about what do you talk. You mean: Why musst i spend for a company where i don't know wich games they produce? You're completely right and I think that this is the wrong way for starting a new company. I also look for another possibility to continiuing with basic4ppc because i think this is the best language for programming mobile fones. And for Java, I definitely wuldn't learn this language! And now, i try to explayn why: For three monts ago i began to look for a good language for me. I have read several little tutorials and I have ask me: What's the right language for you? Wich language do you learn fast and wich language is not to hard for you? I read, I search and I've fund. Basic4ppc, that language for me. And as i have heared that i also can support programs for windows mobile fones i was very happy and i'll start to learn. Regards, Claudio. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.486 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1210 - Release Date: 1/5/2008 11:46 AM --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Man, I tried playing around with VB for Mobile development as well as C++ and had no luck with the SDKS and such. Somehow the .NET Framework was a bit nicer to me? I might give it a try though again and see what happens. Microsoft programming languages, especially for an IDE can be quite expensive, and doesn't have the close community that Basic4ppc or Python or Java have. - Original Message - From: Claudio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 11:42 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] we need your help! Hello Ryan! I know that the people who wants play my games musst install the framework but I think if the people wants games for the mobile, they musst work a bit. Sorry, but the costomer can't say yes yes, the developer do that all for me. A bit bit musst the costomer also work... Regards, Claudio. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.486 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1210 - Release Date: 1/5/2008 11:46 AM --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Ryan, Basic 4PPC is based on the Microsoft .NET Framework. The compact framework to be exact. This already ships with newer versions of Windows Mobile and CE. In addition the full .Net Framework, version 3.0, ships with Windows Vista and Windows Server 2008. Anyway, I said all that to make you aware that in the future these technologies are going to be already present on most systems. For Windows XP and older versions of Windows Mobile yes you will have to add in those frameworks but it is a one time install. Ryan Smith wrote: Hi, I see you want to create games for mobile phones, but I do suggest trying VB.. and yes I looked into Basic4PPC, and it requires some framework to be installed. Not everybody wants to do that..keep that in mind... -Ryan --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Louis! Yes, java runs on mac and also on linux. But the java language is pretty hard to learn! If you have time, then gife it a look. But if not, leet it be! Regards, Claudio. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Agreed, because I want to know more about it, so go there and talk talk talk! lol! Have an awesome day y'all!… Smiles, Cara :) On Apr 7, 2008, at 11:08 AM, Dark wrote: Dragons den doth indeed rock! Might I suggest that it's just for this sort of situation that the oteasy list exists. You can sign up at http://groups.google.com/group/otessey/ and then feel free to chin wag about Dragons den, Tv programs or indeed anything else! Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Claudio. I'm really sorry that you think I'm not on your side. The programming side of things is up to you, as far as I'm concerned. I'm very ready to donate the money, if you can just convince me on the points I mentioned. I sdeffinately wish you good luck with developing games whatever route you choose. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Claudio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 7:44 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] we need your help! Hello Louis! I am only 15 years old! I can't get any creditcards the legal way. I am happy that only person is on my side. Most of the people here try to bring me on another site or to bring me on another programming language but that don't works with me. I'll try to become this language on another way if the donate don't works. Regards, Claudio. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.8/1362 - Release Date: 06/04/2008 11:12 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hello Louis. I will admit, i'm not a game developer, and so probably in one sense I cannot give suggestions, but I am a post graduate student living on limited income who has freely donated to several projects in the passed. I'm really sorry if what I said sounded harsh. I would most deffinately considder donating some money to claudio, if he can answer the points I mention. If for example he'd been in a computer class at his school, already coded his own website, had some very clear design ideas for games, even if only in the drawing board stage. I'm really sorry if what I said sounded harsh, I was just trying to make clear to claudio what he'd have to do in order to convince me to give him my money, and if he can come up with those answers, the offer is very much stil there. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Ever just skip over Emails from people who you don't understand because of the way they try to convey their ideas? I think this is the same principle. There are people who live in Phoenix, Arizona, who I would never use to create voice files for any game I produce because, frankly, I cannot understand them. They would say, for example, You go store for buy stuff me for? What they meant was Would you go to the store to buy stuff for me? And they use such a heavy Mexican accent, and they ask their question so fast, there's no way I knew what they said. There's no way I would even contemplate having people pay for a game I produce if it sounded like this. --- Laughter is the best medicine. Look around you and find a dose. - Original Message - From: Dark [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] we need your help! I must admit, I disagree with you here tom. It's probably something to do with being English and getting lots of american films, tv etc, but I have no problem with accents so long as the speech is understandable. One of my very best friends is russian, and though she's lived in the uk sinse she was twelve, she stil has a noticeable russian accent, actually if I ever need a female barbarian warrior for a game I was going to ask for her voice tallents (a roll she'd fulfill very well, though slightly type cast, lol!). Obviously there is situational type casting, afterall if your yee old arthurian England knight is speaking with a German accent, there's something wrong, but generally I don't mind. In fact, appologies for saying, but i find American accents in very Arthurian or tolkeen like fantasy slightly incongruous. Not off putting, --- I'd just prefer an English accent in that context given the choice sinse it seems to go with the genre for me, the way a very English cowboy in the old west would just sound wrong. I fully agree with you on the clarity issue though, if an accent is so pronounced as to be unclear to non-natives of that accent, it's not going to be great in an audiogame. beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 4:14 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] we need your help! Hi Claudio, Quote For the voice I se two possibilitys: 1. I take a synthetick language like sapi or 2. I'll record it with my voice. End quote Correct if I am wrong but your native language is German? If you are going to be making games globally then you will likely want to use a Sapi voice which is of good quality that is more or less clear and unaccented for your products. If your personal English and accent is not clear it could effect the over all end user experience. For example, Playing In the Darks racing game is an ok racing game. However, the one thing that killed it for me was the voice files for the directions, menus, and things. The guys accent clearly wasn't American which was a bit jarring to me, and I personally wasn't too fond of his voice. In hind sight Eloquence would have been preferable over the voice that was used. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.8/1362 - Release Date: 06/04/2008 11:12 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hello Darc! I have allready ansvered your questions. 1. Have i don't ansvered it enuck exact for you? or 2. have you don't read it? If the first point is right let me know and i'll try it again!!! Best regards, Claudio. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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H, I've only ever once or twice encountered E-mails from people who write with that kind of syntax, usually it's easy enough to tell in writing I find, though not necessarily in speech due to accent. In fact, at the moment in a story i'm writing I'm coming up with the speech patterns for an alien with very different senses and concepts to a human, which is fun! Then again, I was introduced to golum at a very young age, lol! Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 10:38 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] we need your help! Ever just skip over Emails from people who you don't understand because of the way they try to convey their ideas? I think this is the same principle. There are people who live in Phoenix, Arizona, who I would never use to create voice files for any game I produce because, frankly, I cannot understand them. They would say, for example, You go store for buy stuff me for? What they meant was Would you go to the store to buy stuff for me? And they use such a heavy Mexican accent, and they ask their question so fast, there's no way I knew what they said. There's no way I would even contemplate having people pay for a game I produce if it sounded like this. --- Laughter is the best medicine. Look around you and find a dose. - Original Message - From: Dark [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] we need your help! I must admit, I disagree with you here tom. It's probably something to do with being English and getting lots of american films, tv etc, but I have no problem with accents so long as the speech is understandable. One of my very best friends is russian, and though she's lived in the uk sinse she was twelve, she stil has a noticeable russian accent, actually if I ever need a female barbarian warrior for a game I was going to ask for her voice tallents (a roll she'd fulfill very well, though slightly type cast, lol!). Obviously there is situational type casting, afterall if your yee old arthurian England knight is speaking with a German accent, there's something wrong, but generally I don't mind. In fact, appologies for saying, but i find American accents in very Arthurian or tolkeen like fantasy slightly incongruous. Not off putting, --- I'd just prefer an English accent in that context given the choice sinse it seems to go with the genre for me, the way a very English cowboy in the old west would just sound wrong. I fully agree with you on the clarity issue though, if an accent is so pronounced as to be unclear to non-natives of that accent, it's not going to be great in an audiogame. beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 4:14 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] we need your help! Hi Claudio, Quote For the voice I se two possibilitys: 1. I take a synthetick language like sapi or 2. I'll record it with my voice. End quote Correct if I am wrong but your native language is German? If you are going to be making games globally then you will likely want to use a Sapi voice which is of good quality that is more or less clear and unaccented for your products. If your personal English and accent is not clear it could effect the over all end user experience. For example, Playing In the Darks racing game is an ok racing game. However, the one thing that killed it for me was the voice files for the directions, menus, and things. The guys accent clearly wasn't American which was a bit jarring to me, and I personally wasn't too fond of his voice. In hind sight Eloquence would have been preferable over the voice that was used. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.8/1362 - Release Date: 06/04/2008 11:12 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding
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What is meant by being utterly pants? That's one I've never heard before. Thanks. --- Laughter is the best medicine. Look around you and find a dose. - Original Message - From: Dark [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 11:05 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] we need your help! Agreed tom, clarity is very necessary, and I've certainly encountered people with such accents at my un (though as I said, not counting my russian friend). In fact, I would not use someone with a highly pronounced newcastle accent (a jordy accent as it's known up here), in a game because unless your used to it, it can be slightly uninteligeable. My main disagreement was with your example of topspeed 2 as being unclear and unatmospheric, personally I didn't have a problem with the voice in the game, and I actually felt the european English gave things a nice Grandprix type atmosphere, sinse I personally always associate motorracing with continental europe. the fact that I'm utterly pants at racing was my main obstacle in topspeed 2. I also didn't find the accent there unclear at all. Obviously though, there's going to be a fair amount of individuality in this, and I will admit I generally prefer humans to synths, unless they are very bad human voices, or very good synths such as the scansoft voices. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 6:41 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] we need your help! Hi Dark, Well, my issue with accented English was more to do with clarity rather than to do with acting and context. By all means if you have need of a Russian spy like in a James Bond type setting get a Russian to play the part as it will sound more authentic. If you are doing a game on World War II and you need a person to play the part of a German officer then by all means get someone with a Germanic accent. Accent really depends on the type of story or setting being told. One of my friends, Silvia, was from Germany, and she was pretty clear. Her English was very clear and her accent was not very strong. However, I did meet others in college who had very broken English and a very thick accent of their native language and it was difficult to always piece there words together with the accent and broken English. That would not be good in a game. Dark wrote: I must admit, I disagree with you here tom. It's probably something to do with being English and getting lots of american films, tv etc, but I have no problem with accents so long as the speech is understandable. One of my very best friends is russian, and though she's lived in the uk sinse she was twelve, she stil has a noticeable russian accent, actually if I ever need a female barbarian warrior for a game I was going to ask for her voice tallents (a roll she'd fulfill very well, though slightly type cast, lol!). Obviously there is situational type casting, afterall if your yee old arthurian England knight is speaking with a German accent, there's something wrong, but generally I don't mind. In fact, appologies for saying, but i find American accents in very Arthurian or tolkeen like fantasy slightly incongruous. Not off putting, --- I'd just prefer an English accent in that context given the choice sinse it seems to go with the genre for me, the way a very English cowboy in the old west would just sound wrong. I fully agree with you on the clarity issue though, if an accent is so pronounced as to be unclear to non-natives of that accent, it's not going to be great in an audiogame. beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.8/1362 - Release Date: 06/04/2008 11:12 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL
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Hi Claudio, I am happy that only person is on my side. Most of the people here try to bring me on another site or to bring me on another programming language but that don't works with me. ;-), I don't want to bring you to somewhere, do what ever you want, what ever you can, but don't expect to much! Let me summarize: This language is to hard, this language I don't want, I do not want to learn much but please give me your money ... Best regards Marco --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hello claudio. yes I read your answers, but I'd stil appreciate some more information on those points please. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Claudio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 8:38 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] we need your help! Hello Darc! I have allready ansvered your questions. 1. Have i don't ansvered it enuck exact for you? or 2. have you don't read it? If the first point is right let me know and i'll try it again!!! Best regards, Claudio. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.8/1362 - Release Date: 06/04/2008 11:12 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi, I have to agree with Dark. His website, not to be mean to Claudio, is good, but was using a CMS, where no coding is necessary. (Not that this means much, CMS's are awesome). And that there is no evidence of at least a storyline. I have a person in mind, who expected people to donate, showing no coding capability, not even attempts, but just trying to steal code, and re-name it for this person. Just a warning Claudio, this person got flamed on blogs, email, etc, on his bad decisions, by taking coding, not even using money wisely, etc. Not that you are like this Claudio, but I'm sure a simple storyboard of a game will convince more people otherwise. Good Luck all the way though! -Ryan --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Pants equals bad, smelly and generally rubbish. I suspect this is an englishism, the way ornary is strictly Us. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 10:46 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] we need your help! What is meant by being utterly pants? That's one I've never heard before. Thanks. --- Laughter is the best medicine. Look around you and find a dose. - Original Message - From: Dark [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 11:05 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] we need your help! Agreed tom, clarity is very necessary, and I've certainly encountered people with such accents at my un (though as I said, not counting my russian friend). In fact, I would not use someone with a highly pronounced newcastle accent (a jordy accent as it's known up here), in a game because unless your used to it, it can be slightly uninteligeable. My main disagreement was with your example of topspeed 2 as being unclear and unatmospheric, personally I didn't have a problem with the voice in the game, and I actually felt the european English gave things a nice Grandprix type atmosphere, sinse I personally always associate motorracing with continental europe. the fact that I'm utterly pants at racing was my main obstacle in topspeed 2. I also didn't find the accent there unclear at all. Obviously though, there's going to be a fair amount of individuality in this, and I will admit I generally prefer humans to synths, unless they are very bad human voices, or very good synths such as the scansoft voices. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 6:41 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] we need your help! Hi Dark, Well, my issue with accented English was more to do with clarity rather than to do with acting and context. By all means if you have need of a Russian spy like in a James Bond type setting get a Russian to play the part as it will sound more authentic. If you are doing a game on World War II and you need a person to play the part of a German officer then by all means get someone with a Germanic accent. Accent really depends on the type of story or setting being told. One of my friends, Silvia, was from Germany, and she was pretty clear. Her English was very clear and her accent was not very strong. However, I did meet others in college who had very broken English and a very thick accent of their native language and it was difficult to always piece there words together with the accent and broken English. That would not be good in a game. Dark wrote: I must admit, I disagree with you here tom. It's probably something to do with being English and getting lots of american films, tv etc, but I have no problem with accents so long as the speech is understandable. One of my very best friends is russian, and though she's lived in the uk sinse she was twelve, she stil has a noticeable russian accent, actually if I ever need a female barbarian warrior for a game I was going to ask for her voice tallents (a roll she'd fulfill very well, though slightly type cast, lol!). Obviously there is situational type casting, afterall if your yee old arthurian England knight is speaking with a German accent, there's something wrong, but generally I don't mind. In fact, appologies for saying, but i find American accents in very Arthurian or tolkeen like fantasy slightly incongruous. Not off putting, --- I'd just prefer an English accent in that context given the choice sinse it seems to go with the genre for me, the way a very English cowboy in the old west would just sound wrong. I fully agree with you on the clarity issue though, if an accent is so pronounced as to be unclear to non-natives of that accent, it's not going to be great in an audiogame. beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.8/1362 - Release Date: 06/04/2008 11:12 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo
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Hmmm marko that's a tad Extreme I think. as i said, i'd like some more proof of claudio's abilities and such, but I wouldn't be so dismissive, afterall while I understand from Tom's posts the different languages have their strengths and weaknesses, as well as comonalities to other languages, there does seem to be a degree of preference involved. My friend who's a pro software designer for example, loves and sings the praises of java, while someone else I know is a big purl fan. if Claudio wrote a great game in basic, --- fair enough. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Marco Steinebach - Mardy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 8:48 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] we need your help! Hi Claudio, I am happy that only person is on my side. Most of the people here try to bring me on another site or to bring me on another programming language but that don't works with me. ;-), I don't want to bring you to somewhere, do what ever you want, what ever you can, but don't expect to much! Let me summarize: This language is to hard, this language I don't want, I do not want to learn much but please give me your money ... Best regards Marco --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.8/1362 - Release Date: 06/04/2008 11:12 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hello Ryan!That's a good idea with the storry line. But i don't want say ah, i create the best racing game and then i become problems with that or the other things and culdn't finish the game. I don't want say to much because I am not sure what's possible and wat's not. Regards, Claudio. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi, at your mentioning of Golum, oh how I want to start talking about Lord of the Rings lol, so I will ask, is there an email command to turn messages on in Google Groups for the off topic list which runs along side this one? Because at the moment I'm stuck without mail from that group, and I don't feel like braving the Google Groups interface. Dark wrote: || H, I've only ever once or twice encountered E-mails from people || who || write with that kind of syntax, usually it's easy enough to tell in || writing || I find, though not necessarily in speech due to accent. || || In fact, at the moment in a story i'm writing I'm coming up with the || speech patterns for an alien with very different senses and concepts || to a || human, which is fun! || || Then again, I was introduced to golum at a very young age, lol! || || Beware the Grue! || || Dark. || - Original Message - || From: Charles Rivard [EMAIL PROTECTED] || To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org || Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 10:38 PM || Subject: Re: [Audyssey] we need your help! || || ||| Ever just skip over Emails from people who you don't understand ||| because of the way they try to convey their ideas? I think this is ||| the same principle. ||| There are people who live in Phoenix, Arizona, who I would never ||| use to create voice files for any game I produce because, frankly, ||| I cannot understand them. They would say, for example, You go ||| store for buy stuff me for? What they meant was Would you go to ||| the store to buy stuff for me? And they use such a heavy Mexican ||| accent, and they ask their question ||| so fast, there's no way I knew what they said. There's no way I ||| would even ||| contemplate having people pay for a game I produce if it sounded ||| like this. ||| ||| --- ||| Laughter is the best medicine. Look around you and find a dose. ||| - Original Message - ||| From: Dark [EMAIL PROTECTED] ||| To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org ||| Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 10:03 AM ||| Subject: Re: [Audyssey] we need your help! ||| ||| I must admit, I disagree with you here tom. It's probably something to do with being English and getting lots of american films, tv etc, but I have no problem with accents so long as the speech is understandable. One of my very best friends is russian, and though she's lived in the uk sinse she was twelve, she stil has a noticeable russian accent, actually if I ever need a female barbarian warrior for a game I was going to ask for her voice tallents (a roll she'd fulfill very well, though slightly type cast, lol!). Obviously there is situational type casting, afterall if your yee old arthurian England knight is speaking with a German accent, there's something wrong, but generally I don't mind. In fact, appologies for saying, but i find American accents in very Arthurian or tolkeen like fantasy slightly incongruous. Not off putting, --- I'd just prefer an English accent in that context given the choice sinse it seems to go with the genre for me, the way a very English cowboy in the old west would just sound wrong. I fully agree with you on the clarity issue though, if an accent is so pronounced as to be unclear to non-natives of that accent, it's not going to be great in an audiogame. beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 4:14 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] we need your help! | Hi Claudio, | | Quote | For the voice I se two possibilitys: | 1. I take a synthetick language like sapi or 2. I'll record it | with my voice. | | End quote | | Correct if I am wrong but your native language is German? If you | are going to be making games globally then you will likely want | to use a Sapi voice which is of good quality that is more or less | clear and unaccented for your products. If your personal English | and accent is not clear it could effect the over all end user | experience. | For example, Playing In the Darks racing game is an ok racing | game. However, the one thing that killed it for me was the voice | files for the directions, menus, and things. The guys accent | clearly wasn't American which was a bit jarring to me, and I | personally wasn't too fond of his voice. In hind sight Eloquence | would have been preferable over the voice that was used. | | | | --- | Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org | If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at | http
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CMS's are not ausum, if you've payed for a website then do some work and code at least some of it yourself, but yeah, getting off-topic with this so yeah... Ryan Smith wrote: || Hi, || I have to agree with Dark. His website, not to be mean to Claudio, is || good, but was using a CMS, where no coding is necessary. (Not that || this means much, CMS's are awesome). And that there is no evidence of || at least a storyline. I have a person in mind, who expected people to || donate, showing no coding capability, not even attempts, but just || trying to steal code, and re-name it for this person. Just a warning || Claudio, this person got flamed on blogs, email, etc, on his bad || decisions, by taking coding, not even using money wisely, etc. Not || that you are like this Claudio, but I'm sure a simple storyboard of || a game will convince more people otherwise. Good Luck all the way || though! || -Ryan || || --- || Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org || If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to || [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your || subscription via the web, at || http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. || All messages are archived and can be searched and read at || http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] || If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of || the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] || || __ NOD32 3007 (20080407) Information __ || || This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. || http://www.eset.com James Scholes E-Mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype:james.scholes AOL Instant Messenger:JamesScholes000 http://www.jamesscholes.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Claudio, Quote First of all, c or c++ is niot a language to beginn!! End quote That is very true, but I feel you have completely missed my point as to why it is important that you know C++ even if you never plan to use it. My disagreement is not with you using Basic 4PPC. I've been doing some research into it, and indeed it is very much a beginners language and seams easy enough to understand. I can understand and can clearly see why you like the language. My point, though, was that most game documentation, quality game documentation, from real professionals is all written in C++ examples. If you insist on only using a Basic level language then your documentation and programming growth will be stunted and limitted to that Basic level knowledge. For example, let us say some day you ask me to help you get a good book or tutorial on game math and physics. Knowing you want all samples and explanations to be written for Basic 4PPC I wouldn't be able to help you as there is not a huge library of resources on the subject, and I am certainly not going to translate everything into that programming language for one user. However, if you were skilled, at least knew C++, I could give you a number of game books on the same subject. One of the ones I use all the time is Programming Math and Physics by Wendy Staller. Yes, the entire book uses C++ all the way through the book to explain the various formulas and functions. I am skilled in C++ so can ttranslate everything into whatever language I need to use. It has opened many doors for my programming education that otherwise would have been closed off for me. Quote The code is very hard to understand and if you dont have very huge knofledges in programming you wuldn't understand it. End quote Yes and no. It is true that C++ can be frustrating and difficult to learn for a new programmer. However, as for the part you need to have huge knowledge in programming to understand it that is completely false from my point of view. When I was in college around 1997 or 1998 when I took C++ I was very new to programming. I didn't know anything in programming other than the 12 week course I had on Visual Basic 5 the quarter before. The difference between you and I was I wasn't a quitter. I didn't look at it the first day and say this is too hard and quit. I will admit it was rough, but I learned it with little to no programming experience behind me. Just to give you an idea of how much I got thrown at me the college course I took was held three days a week, for four hours a day, over a 12 week period. In short I got the entire C++ programming language thrown at me in the span of three months on a schedule with other classes and homework piled on top of it. Even with all that I learned the C++ language and completed the course with high grades. It may have been difficult, but it wasn't as bad as you make it sound. This might sound harsh, but I don't intend it to be taken that way. I've just heard a lot of this is too hard, that is too hard, I can't do it attitude with not a lot of effort on your part. If you really want to know what hard feels like take a full schedule of classes at your local college plus learn C++ at the same time with the same schedule I described above. I garentee you would have a completely different attitude on the subject. Learning the programming language with a full schedule, plus keeping your grades up, is not as easy as taking on a programming language in your free time if and when you feel like working on it. Cheers. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Not that I know of I'm afraid James, did you manually turn off the posting of mails, sinse it certainly doesn't automatically come with mails disabled by default. If you did turn off the mails out of worry of too much E-mail traffic with that list and this one, then please don't worry, what that list needs is moree! traffic! a lot more! I'm a hge tolkeen fan (I even got an engraved wedding ring outside and inside with the appropriate verses in the language of mordor for my 18th birthday, so please, as Cara said, head over to oteasy and start talking! Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: James Scholes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 9:51 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] we need your help! Hi, at your mentioning of Golum, oh how I want to start talking about Lord of the Rings lol, so I will ask, is there an email command to turn messages on in Google Groups for the off topic list which runs along side this one? Because at the moment I'm stuck without mail from that group, and I don't feel like braving the Google Groups interface. Dark wrote: || H, I've only ever once or twice encountered E-mails from people || who || write with that kind of syntax, usually it's easy enough to tell in || writing || I find, though not necessarily in speech due to accent. || || In fact, at the moment in a story i'm writing I'm coming up with the || speech patterns for an alien with very different senses and concepts || to a || human, which is fun! || || Then again, I was introduced to golum at a very young age, lol! || || Beware the Grue! || || Dark. || - Original Message - || From: Charles Rivard [EMAIL PROTECTED] || To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org || Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 10:38 PM || Subject: Re: [Audyssey] we need your help! || || ||| Ever just skip over Emails from people who you don't understand ||| because of the way they try to convey their ideas? I think this is ||| the same principle. ||| There are people who live in Phoenix, Arizona, who I would never ||| use to create voice files for any game I produce because, frankly, ||| I cannot understand them. They would say, for example, You go ||| store for buy stuff me for? What they meant was Would you go to ||| the store to buy stuff for me? And they use such a heavy Mexican ||| accent, and they ask their question ||| so fast, there's no way I knew what they said. There's no way I ||| would even ||| contemplate having people pay for a game I produce if it sounded ||| like this. ||| ||| --- ||| Laughter is the best medicine. Look around you and find a dose. ||| - Original Message - ||| From: Dark [EMAIL PROTECTED] ||| To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org ||| Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 10:03 AM ||| Subject: Re: [Audyssey] we need your help! ||| ||| I must admit, I disagree with you here tom. It's probably something to do with being English and getting lots of american films, tv etc, but I have no problem with accents so long as the speech is understandable. One of my very best friends is russian, and though she's lived in the uk sinse she was twelve, she stil has a noticeable russian accent, actually if I ever need a female barbarian warrior for a game I was going to ask for her voice tallents (a roll she'd fulfill very well, though slightly type cast, lol!). Obviously there is situational type casting, afterall if your yee old arthurian England knight is speaking with a German accent, there's something wrong, but generally I don't mind. In fact, appologies for saying, but i find American accents in very Arthurian or tolkeen like fantasy slightly incongruous. Not off putting, --- I'd just prefer an English accent in that context given the choice sinse it seems to go with the genre for me, the way a very English cowboy in the old west would just sound wrong. I fully agree with you on the clarity issue though, if an accent is so pronounced as to be unclear to non-natives of that accent, it's not going to be great in an audiogame. beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 4:14 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] we need your help! | Hi Claudio, | | Quote | For the voice I se two possibilitys: | 1. I take a synthetick language like sapi or 2. I'll record it | with my voice. | | End quote | | Correct if I am wrong but your native language is German? If you | are going to be making games globally
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Hello Marco! quote This language is to hard, this language I don't want, I do not want to learn much but please give me your money ... end quote This is definitely not what i want! I say yes, that is to hard, this is to hard... yes! But I have now fund a programming language that is good for me and where i learn now. and for the donate, I don't say gife me your mony! If there are people who want help me and donate to me i'm happy but if not I akzept that. If my mail has lookslike that, i'm sorry. If anyone here is willing to spend, they can but they don't musst!!! Regards, Claudio. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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that's fair enough Claudio, and I certainly think caution is a good idea, but at the same time, some info on some of your ideas would be helpful to know. beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Claudio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 9:56 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] we need your help! Hello Ryan!That's a good idea with the storry line. But i don't want say ah, i create the best racing game and then i become problems with that or the other things and culdn't finish the game. I don't want say to much because I am not sure what's possible and wat's not. Regards, Claudio. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.8/1362 - Release Date: 06/04/2008 11:12 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Dark, Quote My main disagreement was with your example of topspeed 2 as being unclear and unatmospheric, personally I didn't have a problem with the voice in the game, and I actually felt the European English gave things a nice Grandprix type atmosphere, sinse I personally always associate motorracing with continental Europe. End quote Ah, I didn't mean to convey that the voice was unclear in Topspeed. What I meant by using that example was that for me the accents were totally wrong for a racing game. You are European so you expect a European accent for racing. I, however, am an American and am use to the Nascar announcers, commintators, etc so I utterly hated the foreign accent and lack of Nascar feel to the speech in Topspeed. Getting more to the topic Claudio is German and plans to make such a Racing game. Well, I would not be able to get able to get into his games if they were heavily accented with speech that wasn't my native accents. Especially, for me a game that is an American sport. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi, Cool. I figured it probably had some network support since .Net 3.0 and 3.5 has a quite well documented and good socket programming API for multiuser applications. I've been looking into .Net's network API as it would be nice to have a special track in Raceway that could allow for one on one racing. It would not effect your season standings and stats, but only allow for more free form racing between friends. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi. Basic4ppc's networking capability is as good as any other language. You can also do Multithreaded games, as Showdown for the Pocket PC was done. I've written a very accessible IRC Client for the Pocket PC and plan on porting it over to the Icon and BraillePlus on Linux once I learn the Network API of Python. Also my games will be updated sometime this summer with multiplayer Internet and Bluetooth support so users around the world using Pocket PC'S and Smartphones running Windows Mobile can chat and play games. HTH. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi, Well, I am pretty skilled with Java, but I haven't had any opertunity to do anything with Java on a Symbian operated cell phone. Though, whenever I finally get my Java based games off the ground perhaps I will try out a few applications for Symbian phones to see how it works. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi. Basic4ppc does allow support for standard Windows. Currently, I'm looking into Symbian development as well as Linux development. I'm giving Java a try since it runs on those 2 platforms, however I hear Java on Symbian sucks? . HTH. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Claudio, Sorry, but I have to beg to disagree with you. Statistics show that more professional developers would choose Java over C++ or other languages. It is fairly easy to learn, has an extremely designed object oriented mottle, and is less error prone than other programming languages. Just because you, yourself, are not able to instantly understand my little Java Hello World program I sent you doesn't mean it isn't easy to learn and use if you don't put your mind to it instead of complaining about it. Remember nothing worth while comes easy if you aren't willing to put the effort into it. Anyway, as I do not want to offend you with mmy thoughts and opinions perhaps I should stop here, and close on this topic. Cheers. Claudio wrote: Hi Louis! Yes, java runs on mac and also on linux. But the java language is pretty hard to learn! If you have time, then gife it a look. But if not, leet it be! Regards, Claudio. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hmmm tom, I recently met a girl who's heavily into motor racing, and she said though England does have some tracks, most races do indeed go on in france and Germany, which is probably where I got the association from. given that the topspeed crew are dutch I believe though, this is probably just their perspective on things as well. As I said, I'm personally not in favor of us accents in fantasy games, sinse it feels very inappropriate to the setting for me, but as you pointed out all this is incredibly relative anyway, and the main question is about clarity, --- upon which we both agree I think. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 10:17 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] we need your help! Hi Dark, Quote My main disagreement was with your example of topspeed 2 as being unclear and unatmospheric, personally I didn't have a problem with the voice in the game, and I actually felt the European English gave things a nice Grandprix type atmosphere, sinse I personally always associate motorracing with continental Europe. End quote Ah, I didn't mean to convey that the voice was unclear in Topspeed. What I meant by using that example was that for me the accents were totally wrong for a racing game. You are European so you expect a European accent for racing. I, however, am an American and am use to the Nascar announcers, commintators, etc so I utterly hated the foreign accent and lack of Nascar feel to the speech in Topspeed. Getting more to the topic Claudio is German and plans to make such a Racing game. Well, I would not be able to get able to get into his games if they were heavily accented with speech that wasn't my native accents. Especially, for me a game that is an American sport. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.8/1362 - Release Date: 06/04/2008 11:12 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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could of not said it better myself. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 10:49 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] we need your help! Hi Claudio, If I might can I offer a bit of advice? As a new developer your reputation is at stake, and the last thing you want to do is give your customer base a wrong impression of you. Coming out and asking for money to get started is, well, not a great way to incurrage investers into your new game company. This is by no means a flame, but I want you to think of a couple of points below just for some consideration. 1. As a result of being a totally new programmer you have no history with the blind gaming community. No one has had a chance to sample any game titles from you, seen how well you program, if you make interesting games, etc. In short you haven't had a real opertunity to prove yourself to everyone. 2. When you ask a community such as ours to pay for the Basic 4PPC compiler it says to a lot of us you aren't going to be able to license quality music and sounds for your games. I have spent almost $300 on sound effects and music for my Tomb Hunter games so far and that is six times the price of that single compiler. Granted I was helped by selling Montezuma's Return, but the fact of the matter is if you want professional high quality sound effects you need a lot more cash than the $54 for the Basic 4PPC compiler. That puts a lot of doubt in my mind if you are finantially equipped to do production quality audio games. 3. I apologise if this seams sinical, but there are lots of free alternatives out there such as C++, Java, Visual C#, etc with a huge amount of free documentation out there for free. Every time I have attempted to interest you in a more low cost solution you say, that isn't for me. Ok, that is fine, but think of this. The fact of the matter is you don't have the money to invest in Basic 4PPC, and maybe it is time you look at more low cost solutions to get your feet wet in programming. To quote an Americanism, beggers can't be choosy. 4. As a fellow programmer I can see you are really struggling to understand something as simple as Visual Basic. As programming languages goes VB is an extremely easy programming language to learn, and if you can't grasp a language like Visual Basic your definitly not ready for full production games. Visual Basic is called that because it is a basic language, light on syntax, rules, and lacks more of the advanced features of C Style languages. It is very very basic. 5. Every time I begin taking on a programming student I incurrage them to learn a C or C style language. Have you ever stopped to ask yourself if there might be a practical reason for that? Besides my own personal preference for C style languages like C++, C#, and Java there is a very practical reason for choosing as I do. The professional game world uses C++ for the majority of games, code examples, and is filled with C++ programmers. If you were wishing to join a mainstream game development list for help you would litterally have to speak their language. In this case showing a code example in C++ or similar would get the most help. For example, not long ago I got and read a book on advanced A.I. systems for computers. Guess what? The entire book was full of code examples in C++. Had I not had even a basic grasp of the language I would have gotten nothing out of the book. As I have had both experience writing and reading C++ source the code examples were of help to me. If I was only a Basic programmer I wouldn't have gotten anything out of it. 6. I really do not mean this harshly, but many of us on this list are going through financial difficulties ourselves. Here in the U.S.A. the country is going through a financial period of massive inflation. The value of the American dollar is falling, gas prices have sky-rocketed out of control, utility bills have gone up, basic house hold needs have gone up in price, and everyone I personally know is in a bit of a financial crunch of one kind or another. Whoever takes office in 2009 is going to have one dandy of an economic mess to clean up after 8 years of what boils down to incompitence and mismanagement of physical responcibilities. Anyway, to the point with things as they are I don't know of anyone who has money to spend on donations or investments in an unknown company without a really good reason to do so. Things are tight enough as it is for some of us in the U.S.A. let alone spending out an extra $54 we could use for public transpertation or something else that is a necessity. Claudio wrote: Hello all! Currently I am learning basic 4ppc and i am very happy to say it gooes on! I am looking forward and i am thinking that it is possible for me to create games with this language! Thanks also to Louis Bryand for his very helpfull emails
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why? do! you! use so many exclemations! just a question! - Original Message - From: Claudio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 12:02 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] we need your help! Hi Louis! Yes, java runs on mac and also on linux. But the java language is pretty hard to learn! If you have time, then gife it a look. But if not, leet it be! Regards, Claudio. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ NOD32 3007 (20080407) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Are you saying that if we both know a commonly used language, and I were to need help with something I could not grasp in language B, you could give an example in language A, I would understand how it works, and could then write it in language B more easily? This makes sense. Thanks. --- Laughter is the best medicine. Look around you and find a dose. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 2:01 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] we need your help! Hi Claudio, Quote First of all, c or c++ is niot a language to beginn!! End quote That is very true, but I feel you have completely missed my point as to why it is important that you know C++ even if you never plan to use it. My disagreement is not with you using Basic 4PPC. I've been doing some research into it, and indeed it is very much a beginners language and seams easy enough to understand. I can understand and can clearly see why you like the language. My point, though, was that most game documentation, quality game documentation, from real professionals is all written in C++ examples. If you insist on only using a Basic level language then your documentation and programming growth will be stunted and limitted to that Basic level knowledge. For example, let us say some day you ask me to help you get a good book or tutorial on game math and physics. Knowing you want all samples and explanations to be written for Basic 4PPC I wouldn't be able to help you as there is not a huge library of resources on the subject, and I am certainly not going to translate everything into that programming language for one user. However, if you were skilled, at least knew C++, I could give you a number of game books on the same subject. One of the ones I use all the time is Programming Math and Physics by Wendy Staller. Yes, the entire book uses C++ all the way through the book to explain the various formulas and functions. I am skilled in C++ so can ttranslate everything into whatever language I need to use. It has opened many doors for my programming education that otherwise would have been closed off for me. Quote The code is very hard to understand and if you dont have very huge knofledges in programming you wuldn't understand it. End quote Yes and no. It is true that C++ can be frustrating and difficult to learn for a new programmer. However, as for the part you need to have huge knowledge in programming to understand it that is completely false from my point of view. When I was in college around 1997 or 1998 when I took C++ I was very new to programming. I didn't know anything in programming other than the 12 week course I had on Visual Basic 5 the quarter before. The difference between you and I was I wasn't a quitter. I didn't look at it the first day and say this is too hard and quit. I will admit it was rough, but I learned it with little to no programming experience behind me. Just to give you an idea of how much I got thrown at me the college course I took was held three days a week, for four hours a day, over a 12 week period. In short I got the entire C++ programming language thrown at me in the span of three months on a schedule with other classes and homework piled on top of it. Even with all that I learned the C++ language and completed the course with high grades. It may have been difficult, but it wasn't as bad as you make it sound. This might sound harsh, but I don't intend it to be taken that way. I've just heard a lot of this is too hard, that is too hard, I can't do it attitude with not a lot of effort on your part. If you really want to know what hard feels like take a full schedule of classes at your local college plus learn C++ at the same time with the same schedule I described above. I garentee you would have a completely different attitude on the subject. Learning the programming language with a full schedule, plus keeping your grades up, is not as easy as taking on a programming language in your free time if and when you feel like working on it. Cheers. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions
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Charles, i think I et what tom is trying to say here, sinse similar things happened when I was studdying formal logic. suppose I wanted to show you the meaning of an opperator called star, an opperator being something like the english not, and, if, or etc. Take these examples: 1 Star two equals 3. Or the second example: Jack not star jill equals jack. One example here is in the context of maths, another in the context of english, but they both show the function of star in logic, that being and. I think this is how programming books give examples in one language which help people learn another, afterall if you knew nothing about numbers, my first example wouldn't make much sense to you. appologies to everyone if I've utterly confused people here, and even more appologies to tom if I'm uba wrong on this point about programming languages. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Thomas, Could you possibly send me your Hello World program? I am interested and want to see what Java looks like, and compare it to the versions that claim to support Symbian. Thanks. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 2:38 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] we need your help! Hi Claudio, Sorry, but I have to beg to disagree with you. Statistics show that more professional developers would choose Java over C++ or other languages. It is fairly easy to learn, has an extremely designed object oriented mottle, and is less error prone than other programming languages. Just because you, yourself, are not able to instantly understand my little Java Hello World program I sent you doesn't mean it isn't easy to learn and use if you don't put your mind to it instead of complaining about it. Remember nothing worth while comes easy if you aren't willing to put the effort into it. Anyway, as I do not want to offend you with mmy thoughts and opinions perhaps I should stop here, and close on this topic. Cheers. Claudio wrote: Hi Louis! Yes, java runs on mac and also on linux. But the java language is pretty hard to learn! If you have time, then gife it a look. But if not, leet it be! Regards, Claudio. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.486 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1210 - Release Date: 1/5/2008 11:46 AM --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Wo there, sister. I think that comment about Thomas was a tad to harsh. Anyway, it looks interesting- what kind of racing do you have in mind? Have a good day from Tyler C. Wood! contact details: email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: the_conman283 system details: Hp pavillion dv5220CA notebook pc AMD Turion(tm) 64 Mobile Technology ML-37 2.0 GHZ, 2512 mb DDR ram( hopefully!), Fujitsu 100 gb 4500 RPM Hard Drive - Original Message - From: Claudio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 8:01 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] we need your help! Hello dark! quote 1: what types of game do you have in mind developing. You've said you want to make games for windows and mobile phones, sinse I only have a Pc, I'm interested in the windows stuff, so what sort of stuff would it be, would it be self-voicing? What genre? Yes, the games are self voicing and the genre is racing. I'm thinking of making a game such as rail racer but with another backgrund and another goal. but before the racing game is here i have in mind to create little games for free. 2: Your age and commitment. If you expect us to invest in your potential as a games developer, you need to impress us with your commitment. Will you be too busy with school work to create games? will you not be able to stick through the long developement process in order to finish off your games? Why? Is develope a game a stress? Now! I'll take the time that I have that i want invest! Develope games is my hobby, and if i have to do with shool, i doo it and if i have freetime i develope my games. I am not like Thomas who bui games from other developers! I make that what i want and whenever i want do it! 3: Your actual ability and passed acheivements. You are learning basic, but do you know anything else about programming? did you write your own website? I learning basic 4 ppc and I know how hard it is to make a game. I am currently learning this language and I am happy with it. And a racing game would be possible with this language! But I say it here! I'll take the time that i need!! And if i have other things to do, i make a break, and if i have time, i'll continiu with developing my projekt! Regards, Claudio. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.8/1363 - Release Date: 07/04/2008 8:56 AM --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Yes, Can you please send me your hello world program too? Thanks Jose Lomeli Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website: http://joselomeli93.blind-planet.com Windows XP Home user. JAWS For Windows 8.0 user. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 4:47 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] we need your help! Hi Thomas, Could you possibly send me your Hello World program? I am interested and want to see what Java looks like, and compare it to the versions that claim to support Symbian. Thanks. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 2:38 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] we need your help! Hi Claudio, Sorry, but I have to beg to disagree with you. Statistics show that more professional developers would choose Java over C++ or other languages. It is fairly easy to learn, has an extremely designed object oriented mottle, and is less error prone than other programming languages. Just because you, yourself, are not able to instantly understand my little Java Hello World program I sent you doesn't mean it isn't easy to learn and use if you don't put your mind to it instead of complaining about it. Remember nothing worth while comes easy if you aren't willing to put the effort into it. Anyway, as I do not want to offend you with mmy thoughts and opinions perhaps I should stop here, and close on this topic. Cheers. Claudio wrote: Hi Louis! Yes, java runs on mac and also on linux. But the java language is pretty hard to learn! If you have time, then gife it a look. But if not, leet it be! Regards, Claudio. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.486 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1210 - Release Date: 1/5/2008 11:46 AM --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ NOD32 3007 (20080407) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This subject is quite interesting where are the parents in these situations. I am surprised that they have this much time to spare, thinkng being a teenager you the individual would be going out and listening to movies hanging out with friends or just being a teen oh well good luck in your game experimenting and Ryan, Claudio and all other developers out there. Sincerely, Jason windowslive contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype contact kb3icc This is Jason known as Blind Fury - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] we need your help! Ever just skip over Emails from people who you don't understand because of the way they try to convey their ideas? I think this is the same principle. There are people who live in Phoenix, Arizona, who I would never use to create voice files for any game I produce because, frankly, I cannot understand them. They would say, for example, You go store for buy stuff me for? What they meant was Would you go to the store to buy stuff for me? And they use such a heavy Mexican accent, and they ask their question so fast, there's no way I knew what they said. There's no way I would even contemplate having people pay for a game I produce if it sounded like this. --- Laughter is the best medicine. Look around you and find a dose. - Original Message - From: Dark [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] we need your help! I must admit, I disagree with you here tom. It's probably something to do with being English and getting lots of american films, tv etc, but I have no problem with accents so long as the speech is understandable. One of my very best friends is russian, and though she's lived in the uk sinse she was twelve, she stil has a noticeable russian accent, actually if I ever need a female barbarian warrior for a game I was going to ask for her voice tallents (a roll she'd fulfill very well, though slightly type cast, lol!). Obviously there is situational type casting, afterall if your yee old arthurian England knight is speaking with a German accent, there's something wrong, but generally I don't mind. In fact, appologies for saying, but i find American accents in very Arthurian or tolkeen like fantasy slightly incongruous. Not off putting, --- I'd just prefer an English accent in that context given the choice sinse it seems to go with the genre for me, the way a very English cowboy in the old west would just sound wrong. I fully agree with you on the clarity issue though, if an accent is so pronounced as to be unclear to non-natives of that accent, it's not going to be great in an audiogame. beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 4:14 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] we need your help! Hi Claudio, Quote For the voice I se two possibilitys: 1. I take a synthetick language like sapi or 2. I'll record it with my voice. End quote Correct if I am wrong but your native language is German? If you are going to be making games globally then you will likely want to use a Sapi voice which is of good quality that is more or less clear and unaccented for your products. If your personal English and accent is not clear it could effect the over all end user experience. For example, Playing In the Darks racing game is an ok racing game. However, the one thing that killed it for me was the voice files for the directions, menus, and things. The guys accent clearly wasn't American which was a bit jarring to me, and I personally wasn't too fond of his voice. In hind sight Eloquence would have been preferable over the voice that was used. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.8/1362 - Release Date: 06/04/2008 11:12 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding
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I wonder if that means being strapped which means in translation broke. Sincerely, Jason windowslive contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype contact kb3icc This is Jason known as Blind Fury - Original Message - From: Dark [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Charles Rivard [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 4:17 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] we need your help! Pants equals bad, smelly and generally rubbish. I suspect this is an englishism, the way ornary is strictly Us. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 10:46 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] we need your help! What is meant by being utterly pants? That's one I've never heard before. Thanks. --- Laughter is the best medicine. Look around you and find a dose. - Original Message - From: Dark [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 11:05 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] we need your help! Agreed tom, clarity is very necessary, and I've certainly encountered people with such accents at my un (though as I said, not counting my russian friend). In fact, I would not use someone with a highly pronounced newcastle accent (a jordy accent as it's known up here), in a game because unless your used to it, it can be slightly uninteligeable. My main disagreement was with your example of topspeed 2 as being unclear and unatmospheric, personally I didn't have a problem with the voice in the game, and I actually felt the european English gave things a nice Grandprix type atmosphere, sinse I personally always associate motorracing with continental europe. the fact that I'm utterly pants at racing was my main obstacle in topspeed 2. I also didn't find the accent there unclear at all. Obviously though, there's going to be a fair amount of individuality in this, and I will admit I generally prefer humans to synths, unless they are very bad human voices, or very good synths such as the scansoft voices. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 6:41 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] we need your help! Hi Dark, Well, my issue with accented English was more to do with clarity rather than to do with acting and context. By all means if you have need of a Russian spy like in a James Bond type setting get a Russian to play the part as it will sound more authentic. If you are doing a game on World War II and you need a person to play the part of a German officer then by all means get someone with a Germanic accent. Accent really depends on the type of story or setting being told. One of my friends, Silvia, was from Germany, and she was pretty clear. Her English was very clear and her accent was not very strong. However, I did meet others in college who had very broken English and a very thick accent of their native language and it was difficult to always piece there words together with the accent and broken English. That would not be good in a game. Dark wrote: I must admit, I disagree with you here tom. It's probably something to do with being English and getting lots of american films, tv etc, but I have no problem with accents so long as the speech is understandable. One of my very best friends is russian, and though she's lived in the uk sinse she was twelve, she stil has a noticeable russian accent, actually if I ever need a female barbarian warrior for a game I was going to ask for her voice tallents (a roll she'd fulfill very well, though slightly type cast, lol!). Obviously there is situational type casting, afterall if your yee old arthurian England knight is speaking with a German accent, there's something wrong, but generally I don't mind. In fact, appologies for saying, but i find American accents in very Arthurian or tolkeen like fantasy slightly incongruous. Not off putting, --- I'd just prefer an English accent in that context given the choice sinse it seems to go with the genre for me, the way a very English cowboy in the old west would just sound wrong. I fully agree with you on the clarity issue though, if an accent is so pronounced as to be unclear to non-natives of that accent, it's not going to be great in an audiogame. beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list
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Hi, Surprisingly I make alot of time. Where I spend most of my developing on Sunday's, where I am free the entire day, I usually have the spare couple of minutes to check my email for Audyssey. -Ryan --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Claudio, with all due respect, just because something may be difficult for you, yourself to learn, doesn't mean that it is necessarily the same for everyone else. smiles, Cara :) On Apr 7, 2008, at 12:02 PM, Claudio wrote: Hi Louis! Yes, java runs on mac and also on linux. But the java language is pretty hard to learn! If you have time, then gife it a look. But if not, leet it be! Regards, Claudio. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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wow you seem to be stuck with this approach. I started programming with java script, html and freepascal about 3 years ago for a year. I even got c# to start doing things. The reason I quit in the end was I kept forgetting my stuff, where things were, etc. And at first the idea of programming sounded glorious, I could actually make software. The reality of it is its hard as hell, not to discurrage you or anything but it can be boring and frustrating especially if you don't know what you are doing. And I guess programming aint my thing. NOt to say that at some point it may be. One day I may actually try java, mainly because I use the runtimes of sun and they are for the most part accessible and quite fast. There is not a tonn of hard drive space taken up by the resource kits I need. at least 4gb if I had all the visual studio express files, at least 2 gb for resource kits, dx9 and xact, sapi5, and 4. dx8, dot net 1 2 3 and 3.5. I decided not to bother, wasting a good 10gb on just programming aah nope. At 03:37 a.m. 8/04/2008, you wrote: Hello Thomas! First of all, c or c++ is niot a language to beginn!!! The code is very hard to understand and if you dont have very huge knofledges in programming you wuldn't understand it. And for Vb I wuldn't program in it because i don't can create games for mobile fones!!! Basic 4ppc is one of the easist way to program games or software for the windows mobile fones. And now Thomas, I completely understand about what do you talk. You mean: Why musst i spend for a company where i don't know wich games they produce? You're completely right and I think that this is the wrong way for starting a new company. I also look for another possibility to continiuing with basic4ppc because i think this is the best language for programming mobile fones. And for Java, I definitely wuldn't learn this language! And now, i try to explayn why: For three monts ago i began to look for a good language for me. I have read several little tutorials and I have ask me: What's the right language for you? Wich language do you learn fast and wich language is not to hard for you? I read, I search and I've fund. Basic4ppc, that language for me. And as i have heared that i also can support programs for windows mobile fones i was very happy and i'll start to learn. Regards, Claudio. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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well I have a symbian bassed phone here. I only have a 4gb card though, but yeah. I can test things as long as I know what they do, etc. At 09:27 a.m. 8/04/2008, you wrote: Hi, Well, I am pretty skilled with Java, but I haven't had any opertunity to do anything with Java on a Symbian operated cell phone. Though, whenever I finally get my Java based games off the ground perhaps I will try out a few applications for Symbian phones to see how it works. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi. Basic4ppc does allow support for standard Windows. Currently, I'm looking into Symbian development as well as Linux development. I'm giving Java a try since it runs on those 2 platforms, however I hear Java on Symbian sucks? . HTH. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Dragon's Den.Hi Dark. Can you give us some more info on this game? Or more specifically me! If you already have sorry for asking, but I just resigned up the list a few days ago so I haven't heard of this game. Can you give some info on it like what type of game it is and whether it's accessible? I'm still using jaws 4.0 and Windows Millennium so hopefully I'll be able to play if it sounds interesting. MissWings At 01:08 PM 4/7/2008, Dark wrote: Dragons den doth indeed rock! Might I suggest that it's just for this sort of situation that the oteasy list exists. You can sign up at http://groups.google.com/group/otessey/ and then feel free to chin wag about Dragons den, Tv programs or indeed anything else! Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.8/1363 - Release Date: 4/7/2008 8:56 AM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.8/1363 - Release Date: 4/7/2008 8:56 AM --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Dark, Exactly. Every programming language out there has its own unique strengths and weaknesses which is why in order to get a Computer Science degree in programming a developer must take several different programming languages in order to earn that degree. Some languages are more specialized for a certain task than others. Here is just a few pros and cons of modern programming languages in use today. The SQL programming language is specifically designed for building large and small skaled database applications. Its obvious advantage is you can create huge databases of data to store, research, and expose to client side applications. The disadvantage is other than that SQL is pretty useless. The C++ programming language is now the standard programming language and is at the core of most of the major operating systems including Windows, Mac, Linux, etc. Its uses are almost unlimited, and that is its greatest advantage. However, because C++ is so flexable it has a massive learning curve which detracts from its use among amature programmers. One of the fastest growing and widely supported programming languages is Java. Unlike languages such as C++ Java is not restricted to the operating system it was compiled on. Its greatest advantage to a programmer is its build once run everywhere design and structure. Its greatest disadvantage is because the Java core language tends to stay away from operating specific details you can't do anything low level such as drivers, may encounter issues with file access issues on some operating systems, and every machine you intend to run it needs the Java runtime to be installed prier to running. It also has a disadvantage to us is that the swing toolkit interface doesn't always register itself with a screen reader requiring an access bridge which at times is a hastle with screen readers other than Jaws 9. Dark wrote: Hmmm marko that's a tad Extreme I think. as i said, i'd like some more proof of claudio's abilities and such, but I wouldn't be so dismissive, afterall while I understand from Tom's posts the different languages have their strengths and weaknesses, as well as comonalities to other languages, there does seem to be a degree of preference involved. My friend who's a pro software designer for example, loves and sings the praises of java, while someone else I know is a big purl fan. if Claudio wrote a great game in basic, --- fair enough. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] we need your help!
Hello Thomas! That's right. That's also the idea why i ask for donates but I also understand the people who don't want to donate. They don't have any games from me to test or so. Regards, Claudio. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
