Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP vs Photoshop

[Jaime Seuma]

IMHO, and to cut the long story short:
- use the GIMP
- learn how to use it by means of the help included, the many excellent
tutorials existing, Akkana Peck's book and MeetTheGimp.org video-shows.
There are still other resources available.
- CMYK: you won't be needing that any time soon, and some day it will be
better managed with the GIMP (as of now, there are some plugins as of
separate+). CMYK is mostly important for printing, but many printers can
do well using RGB color space.
- 8 bits depth: you can live with that, and 'soon' the GIMP will allow
you to use higher values. Maybe towards version 3.0 (?).

I can be wrong, of course, but it does work for me. I'm not a
photographer pro, though; so take my opinion FWIW. No need of Photoshop,
or even LightRoom in my book.

Best of lucks

Jaime



Nuno Miguel dos Santos Baeta wrote:
> Hello!
> 
> I don't understand anything about digital image manipulation but I've
> got to learn as, last year, I finally bought a digital camera, after
> making photos with film for many years, mainly B&W which I developed
> and printed myself.  To learn digital image manipulation I need a
> program such as GIMP and Photoshop.
> 
> Another important piece of information about me: I've been using Un*x
> since 1986.  These days I use OpenBSD (server) and
> Debian/Ubuntu/gNewSense (desktop/laptop) and I don't want to change OS
> - if I have to, I'll be changing to Mac OS X, no Microsoft Windows.
> 
> According to my 'research', Photoshop is the 'de facto' standard for
> image manipulation, quite expensive and exists for Mac OS X or
> Microsoft Windows.  GIMP is free, its license is GPL, and exists for
> GNU/Linux, Mac OS X and Microsoft Windows.
> 
> My 'research' included asking on a mailing list about photography
> (photos made with a specific brand of cameras) about technical
> differences between these two programs.  The answers I got can be
> summarized to:
> 
> * Photoshop: Must be used for 'serious' work.
> 
> * GIMP: May be used for 'serious' work if that means showing a photo
> on a web page.  Otherwise forget it because:
> 
>   ** Is has no color management (I don't know what this is);
>   ** Just 8 bit/channel;
>   ** No CMYK.
> 
> Even though answers on this list may be biased, I have to ear them.
> So, are this statements true?
> 
> TIA!
> 
> PS - I have also been advised to use a program such as Aperture (Mac
> OS X only) or Lightroom (Mac OS X and Microsoft Windows), as that is
> what a photographer really needs.  Because of this advise, I guess
> I'll be asking some questions on the digiKam and F-Spot mailing lists,
> as presume these make the same job as Aperture or Lightroom.
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Re: [Gimp-user] Forcing GIMP to use English

[Jaime Seuma]

I cannot say about vista, but with xp I have just created a new variable
at system level (control panel->system->advanced options->env variables)
called 'LANG' with value 'en'.
That does the trick.

HIH

Jaims

Deniz Dogan wrote:
> I'm running GIMP on a Windows Vista machine which uses a Swedish
> locale (but it's in fact an English Vista installation). Now I'm
> trying to figure out if I can force GIMP to use English and thereby
> overriding my Windows settings. Is there any such functionality?
> 
> Thanks,
> Deniz Dogan
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Re: [Gimp-user] Scaling and resolution

[Jaime Seuma]

Thank you all for the tips and links, I think this is enough info to
make me understand the whole thing, and to make me feel comfortable with it.

Best regards

Jaime

David Gowers wrote:

> In GIMP (and Photoshop, and some other editing software)
> it will make it display differently. If your display reports its size
> correctly and Dot for Dot is off, the image will display at the
> correct size, closely matching the original DPI (of course you do not
> get any more actual dots out of this -- it just means that the
> relative scale of things is correct).
> 
> It's easy to see this if you halve the DPI for one dimension (eg. so
> DPI == 36x72) and then turn off Dot for Dot
> 
>> On a 300dpi device it will
>> still display as 1 1/3 in, even if you set the resolution to 70dpi.
> 
> This is true for most simple 'viewing' software, which doesn't scale
> the view to be accurate. Not for editors that try to be accurate, such
> as GIMP.
> 
> David
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Re: [Gimp-user] Image resolution bad detection (?)

[Jaime Seuma]

Thank you all for the responses, they have been useful to me.

Sven Neumann wrote:

> Most likely your software embeds the resolution information into the
> Exif metadata and fails to update the resolution in the JFIF header.
> That's a minor problem as the resolution is really just some arbitrary
> number and pretty much meaningless for photographs.

Ok, I can understand this; maybe the software just creates exif data for
resolution, but doesn't care about the right JFIF header.
I've set the Gimp to use 350x350 by default, that will do.


> There is a bug report about the JPEG plug-in failing to recognize the
> resolution in the Exif data. If you care, feel free to provide a patch
> to fix this.

I see your point; but unfortunately it is not an option for me to try to
do this.
Despite I have worked as a developer, it is not an option for me to set
a suitable development environment, with all the libraries and
dependencies and all, and then get acquainted with the internals of the
Gimp, and get acquainted with the coding style, and so on and so forth.

I'd like to, but I simply don't have the time.

All the same, I've discovered myself thinking that when the time is
right, the Gimp would be one of the open source projects I'd like to get
involved with (as a developer, maybe taking care of some bug or
something) if I found my skills were good enough.

Thanks for the tips, and thanks for all the wonderful work done by the
developers of the Gimp.

Regards

Jaime

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[Gimp-user] Image resolution bad detection (?)

[Jaime Seuma]

Hello

I use The Gimp to edit my photographs, which I shoot with a Canon EOS 50D.
I shoot always RAW, and use the propietary Canon software (DPP) to
process the pictures a bit before converting them to jpeg (max
conversion quality) with a resolution of  350 dpi.

But when I open this jpg with the Gimp, either through the 'print size'
dialog, the 'image scale' dialog or the 'image properties' dialog, seems
to me that the Gimp takes it as 72 dpi resolution. Out of curiosity,
I've just open the same image with both the Gimp and Photoshop Elements,
and Elements states that it has a resolution of 350 dpi (as expected).

I had never noticed that! Thing is that every time I scale down an
image, the Gimp sets 72 dpi as default for resolution.

All of my images are at this (low) resolution now (which doesn't matter
as I've kept the original RAW files). I didn't notice this when I was
working with the Gimp, till a few days ago that a friend told me -when I
showed him my pics- that I should keep resolution higher when
downscaling jpgs.

Am I missing something here? Any ideas?

I must confess that I have never worried about the resolution before,
and I don't think I understand this issue completely.

TIA

Jaime


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Re: [Gimp-user] Scaling and resolution

[Jaime Seuma]

Hi

This is an interesting question also to me.

David Gowers wrote:

> 
> No, if you turn off View->Dot for dot then the DPI relative to your
> display DPI is used to scale your view of the image.

That much I had already found; but still, when I open a file that has
been scaled only in resolution (for instance 300->700), still the
different imageviewers display the same image.

I know that this is not a Gimp related question, and I feel that the
Gimp's approach is correct; but still I don't understand the whole
resolution thing completely. I take it many imageviewers simply don't
have the capability of taking the resolution into consideration, when
rendering an image. I'm I right?

Regards

Jaime

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Re: [Gimp-user] Modifying an image...

[Jaime Seuma]

zed wrote:
> I am very new to The Gimp and, at the moment, floundering :-(
> 
> I want to have some CDs printed with the LinuxMINT logo but the person
> printing the CDs for me wants the image modified to remove the 'hole' in the
> centre.
> 
> I've copied part of the image in an ellipse to cover the 'hole' but am left
> with the edge of the circle, and have no idea how to blend this with the
> rest of the image.
> 
> Any tips would be very welcome but not "too" technical, please.
> 
> Zed
> 
> 

Hi.

Yo could also try to put the ellipse part in a new layer, with a layer
mask; and then in the layer mask set an ellipse gradient. If I got right
what you want to do, by doing this you could achieve a smoother blend of
layers than using feathered borders.

Hope it helps.

Jaime
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Re: [Gimp-user] how to use layers

[Jaime Seuma]

thomas w. wrote:

> 
> I wanted to use GIMP for my photo manipulation. I had assumed after all these
> years that it was usable. I hope I'm not forced to go to Photoshop over
> something simple like this.
> 

GIMP is really good for photo post-processing. I use it a lot; even
though I bought a laptop with some stuff preinstalled, photoshop
elements included. I gave it a couple tries, but I feel more comfortable
with the Gimp (despite the fact that for some particular images I like
the sharpening tool best that the filters/enhance/unsharpen mask in the
Gimp. Overall, I have ended by no using PE at all.

> If there's no chance that GIMP can be used as efficiently as photoshop,
> perhaps it would be sensible to give up sooner rather than later. But this is
> a big expense for me, at the least I'll need to buy a second machine, or give
> up on Linux on the desktop altogether.

The Gimp is a complex and powerful tool, which means it has a learning
curve. But it is not by any means less efficiently usable than
photoshop. If anything, you could say about the lack of support for CMYK
(it is on the way) and bit depth = 8 (improving this is in the way too).

> 
> It's so tragic that after all these years, GIMP's user interface has seen no
> improvement. I had hoped that at least the documentation would be useful.
> 

Concerning to the UI, I'd say that it is matter of tastes. I really like
the Gimp UI; it feels less crammed with stuff, as you can work directly
on the image window, and by using the  key bring the tools window
back and forth. I really hope the Gimp developers are not planning to
'photoshop-ize' it!.
And the documentation is useful enough!

For advise with how to set the layout in the UI, as well as for the
layers stuff, I really recommend visiting http://meetthegimp.org. For a
lazy guy like me, it really made the difference!
In about 10 chapters, you'll be able to solve the UI and layers stuff,
and maybe you'll feel compelled to watch the rest of the chapters.

Hope it helps

Cheers


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Re: [Gimp-user] Is it really that complicated to make a circle?

[Jaime Seuma]

Dotan Cohen wrote:
> Please take a look at this guide for making a circle in the Gimp:
> http://www.ghacks.net/2009/06/29/linux-tips-create-an-unfilled-circle-in-the-gimp/
> 
> 7 steps? Really?
> 
There are not really so much steps involved.

Step 1. Create an empty image. This is not really an step, at least if
you are already working in an image
Step 2. Select the color for the image. Obviously; doesn't matter
whether you are using The Gimp or other app.
Step 3. Create a ellipse selection as a circle. Correct.
Step 4. Fill in this circle. Instead of doing this, you want to do
'edit/stroke selection', specifying (number of pixels) the thickness.
Step 5. Select none (ctrl+shift+'a')

Hope it helps.

Jaime
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Re: [Gimp-user] not to knock gimp...I love it, BUT I have never has decent prints from it

[Jaime Seuma]

In order to get a version of UFRaw for Ubuntu more up-to-date than the
one in the repositories (for Hardy) I got the .deb in
http://www.getdeb.net/.
This way I can denoise pictures using UFRaw in ubuntu.

Hope it helps


Carusoswi wrote:
> To, perhaps, clarify earlier posts, I do run Gimp in both Ubuntu 8.10 and
> Windows XP.  My leaning towards XP these days is because the RAW converter
> software that came with my camera (Sony A700) seems to be better than anything
> else in converting RAW files faithfully from the camera, and allows me to use
> very high ISO with minimal noise (well, the converter does the best job at
> controlling noise that results from high ISO).  I could, I guess, do all my
> conversions from a session, switch into Linux, and use Gimp to edit/print from
> there - that's a bit of a hassle, though.
>
> In Linux, the newest version of Turbo Print is working very well, and is the
> only means I have found by which to make full use of my i960's features.  If
> you haven't tried the latest version of TP, you might want to download it for
> a 30-day spin.
>
> I don't run OO on my XP machine, and use it infrequently on the Linux side -
> just me.  Don't need it in Ubuntu to print photos, since I own Turbo Print for
> that.
>
> I've tried developing in Linux using UFRaw.  For normal exposures, its fine. 
> For noisy ones, not so good.  There seems to be a newer version for Windows
> that does ok.  If I could get the latest versions of everything to all work in
> the same OS, I'd be in heaven.  Sony's software works in Windows only.
>
> Gimp works fine in Windows, but can't print.  UFRAW handles noise in Windows,
> but not in Linux.
>
> Windows, Gimp, Sony software, PS to print seems to be my solution for now. 
> More integrated days will come, I'm sure.
>
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Re: [Gimp-user] Clone tool etc.

[Jaime Seuma]

Hi

Gimp is powerful/wonderful, and sophisticate; which means that learning
how to use every tool doesn't come without an effort.
Luckily, as you have already been pointed, there is good documentation.
Likewise, there is this nice book I'd recommend you to read, Beginning
Gimp (Akkana Peck) that is very helpful. And last but not least, the
more fun way of learning Gimp is no doubt with Roy Steinort in
www.meetthegimp.org. Very nice and easy to understand webcast from zero.

Cheers

P AA wrote:
>
>
>
>
> A friend has downloaded GIMP 2.2 Debian onto my ASUS 900 eee Linux system.
>
> I've been playing with it a bit to get familiar. I cannot get several
> of the tools to work. For example, when I click on the clone tool and
> try to use it on an image, when I move the mouse to the image, the
> clone tool has a 'forbidden' sign (circle with bar) above it, and I
> cannot use it.
>
> Truthfully, I had GIMP downloaded to my little laptop so I could make
> basic manipulations to images: brightness/contrast, cropping/clone
> tool work, and now I can't get the clone tool to work! Is it possible
> the program was not properly installed?
>
>
> Can someone please help? If I have to download something, spell it out
> for me, please :<)
> If I have to reinstall it, please tell me what I have to type to do
> so. The package itself is already in my computer (my friend used it to
> install, but maybe not correctly??)
>
> Thank you.
>
>
>
> 
> Windows Live™ Contacts: Organize your contact list. Check it out.
> 
>
> 
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Re: [Gimp-user] First mail to this list

[Jaime Seuma]

Don wrote:
> Very new to GIMP.
>
> I am so frustrated to learn GIMP.
>
> Tonight, I simply want to create a text and then outline it as a text.
> Then I googled.  But the thing is, I cannot follow any of the
> tutorials I dug out.  Not because I didn't follow closely, but because
> not all of the menu items the tutorials talk about are available to me
> (and what can I do then?) and most of the tutorials don't tell us when
> it was written and what version of Gimp it was targeting.
>
> So frustrating.
>
> BTW, I am using Gimp 2.6.2 on Windows XP Professional SP2.
> 
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Besides the web sites pointed to you, there is a definite nice resource
that has helped me a lot.

It'd require you to change a bit how to learn: instead of "I want to do
this thing with text, let's find tutorials about it", I'd choose to
learn in the long run.
The site is about webcasts with the gimp, and despite it started as a
resource for digital photography, lately there are also webcasts that
show how to draw with it.
Also, it started with gimp 2.4 (if I'm right), but you should not find
difficult to find where the menu commands are in newer versions (it
hasn't been hard for me at all).

Give it a try, is definetely worth it (and fun!)

http://meetthegimp.org/

Cheers


Jaime
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Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp latest version

[Jaime Seuma]

Certainly :-)
Cheers and keep the good work


Daniel Hornung wrote:
> On Friday 16 January 2009, Cristian Secară wrote:
>   
>> And then when GIMP goes to 2.7+ will have to upgrade also the OS to
>> Ubuntu 8.20+/whatever ?
>> 
>
> First of all, there will be no stable GIMP 2.7, since odd minor version 
> numbers are reserved for development releases.
>
> Second, all complaints about some version of GIMP not being available on some 
> operating system or distribution should go to the maintainers of that 
> distribution, since the only official product released by the GIMP developers 
> is the source code.  It's totally up to the distributions to provide 
> binaries, in whichever version they see fit.
>
> I hope this helped to answer some questions.
>
> Daniel
>   
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[Gimp-user] LANG user's system variable

[Jaime Seuma]

For me to have the Gimp UI in English rather than in Spanish (language
of WinXP install) the following setting did the trick:
I created a new entry for the user variables called 'LANG' and set to
'en' (panel control, system, advanced options, environment variables).

Hope it helps

denemigen wrote:
>
> Under winXP at the start menu>programmes you can find the 'GTK+
> Runtime Enviroment' folder with an application called 'select
> language'. with it you can select your favoured language without a
> problem.
>
> denemigen
>
> 
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Re: [Gimp-user] Text-in-stitches on GIMP

[Jaime Seuma]

Peter Saffrey wrote:
> I'm a fairly new GIMP user. Be gentle.
>
> I'd like to duplicate the effect described in this Photoshop tutorial:
>
> http://pshero.com/archives/text-in-stitches
>
> The critical part of this is selecting a path from text and using a custom 
> brush
> to draw along this path. Once I've got this working, I can fiddle around with
> the background and brush type to make it look pretty.
>   

You'll want to take a look at the screencast at
http://meetthegimp.org/episode-065-roaring-16-bit/; around minute 12 it
explains how to go from a text to a path and how to use this path.


> I've got as far as adding some text and turning this into a path using
> Layer->Text to path. I can then do "stroke path" with a brush of my choice.
> However, I can't work out how to adjust some of the more complex options, such
> as the direction of brushing and the distance between brush strokes, as
> described in steps 8 and 9 of the tutorial. How do I do this in the GIMP?
>
> If I'm successful, I guess I'll write this up in a blog post.
>
> Peter
>
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Re: [Gimp-user] [Gimp-announce] ANNOUNCE: GIMP 2.6.0

[Jaime Seuma]

Eric P wrote:
> Sven Neumann wrote:
>   
>> Finally we have done it and released version 2.6.0 of the GNU Image
>> Manipulation Program. The changes from version 2.4 are best described in
>> the release notes on
>>
>> 
> Excellent work!  Thank you for your tireless effort over the years on this 
> absolutely beautiful and solid piece of
> software.  It is a joy to use and always exciting to witness the further 
> maturation of this most excellent code base.
>
> Forever thankful,
> Eric P.
>   
I do feel 100% percent like Eric. I want to thank all the develpers and
team working in this wonderful software. Not only I like the gimp, but
also it's a symbol of what the whole open source movement means to me.

Me too, forever thankful :-)

Jaime





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Re: [Gimp-user] STOP

[Jaime Seuma]

Michael Schumacher wrote:
>> Von: "Terry Moss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> 
>
>   
>> Please take me off your mailing list.I am getting
>> stacks of Emails which are no good to me at all and it's just clogging up my
>> PC.
>> 
>
> Maybe we should add an auto-unsubscribe for HTML-posting users? ;)
>   
Or unpolite users, caps-talking and the like...
>
> SCNR,
> Michael
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Re: [Gimp-user] gimp language

[Jaime Seuma]

Hi

If I've understood it right, I had this issue solved by simply adding an 
environment variable as follows:

LANG es

(in control panel, system, advanced, env variables; I added the variable 
to both user env variable and system variable)


Hope it helps

Jaime

Markku Jarvinen wrote:


Hi,

 


I had to reinstall my Windows -- and all other programs as well...

 

Including Gimp. Last time I had the same problem -- Gimp wants to be 
in Finnish and I want to use it in English! Why the language change 
has to be so difficult that I don't again find it without asking help!


 


I could not be too difficult to make it easy!!!

 


PLS HELP!

 


Markku Järvinen



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[Gimp-user] cmyk question part II

[Jaime Seuma]

Hi again.

I've just read a nice article (http://kde-artists.org/node/355) signed 
by land0. In this article, t he author explains some state of the art 
concerning cmyk and 16 b depth color support (the article was written in 
2006).

I should have started my cmyk previous question stating that I 
understand the wonderful work that the guys at gimp have been doing all 
that time.

Maybe because the Gimp is so great and powerful, more and more people 
are starting to feel they can get rid of photoshop (which I don't know a 
lot) and switch to gimp. And perhaps, looking at how much has been 
achieved so far, they perceive that the cmyk and 16 bits support are 
minor details... Reading the forementioned article, I can see that they 
are not.
 I don't know if my previous mail might have sound as if I was 'urging' 
you to implement these features in the gimp. If that is the case, sorry; 
but I never meant it.

It's just that I'd like a lot of people switching to great opensource 
os-es and apps, and I can't help but recommend it to everyone.

Anyways, I feel I have to thank you all for the wonderful job at the 
gimp, which I proudly use to edit and enhance my own pictures.

Salud

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