[Goanet-News] Egged on by film moguls, Goa mulls pull out of IFFI
Egged on by film moguls, Goa mulls pull out of IFFI From Pamela D'Mello [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Asian Age, Aug 27, Newsmakers Panaji, Aug 26: India's international film festival IFFI co-hosts, the Entertainment Society of Goa is considering pulling out of the film festival, after its push for increased partnership was rebuffed. Propelled by support from film industry moguls keen to take control of the festival and relaunch an expanded glitzier version, the ESG is talking tough about developing its own Goa film festival brand in the ongoing partnership tussle with Directorate of Film Festivals. This year, ESG sought use of its single software platform for registration and ticketing, and a share in programming of Indian premieres, and world cinema. Both were rejected by DFF earlier this week, prompting some tough talking from the Goa semi-government body that co-hosted IFFI for the past four years, since a much-hyped debut in 2004. We were promised a complete handover by 2008.Then they changed their mind. Now we are only asking for a greater role. We do put in 80% of the funds, but are treated like junior partners. This is no longer tenable, ESG general manager Nikhil Dessai told this newspaper. He said ESG and Goa would need to rethink its position, based on the state's long term plan to develop itself as an entertainment and film production hub. The ESG governing board is shortly expected to discuss DFF's rejection and take a call on its future course. One of the options being considered is a new Goa festival brand. ESG's new found confidence to bargain hard, comes from backend support it has from moguls in the film industry and private sponsors waiting to jump in. ESG already has a realistic assessment of its ability to go solo, it claims. Consultants it has been in talks with could bring in 175 top notch festival films, it says. Many see ESG though as a front for a proxy tussle between commercial movie czars straining to increase the razzmatazz and the DFF, which want to retain IFFI's serious avatar, besides compulsions to cater to pan Indian, regional and alternative independent cinema. ESG is already keen to take over Indian premieres, increase the glamour quotient, and bring in Hollywood stars for red carpet openings. DFF has its limitations. An independent festival would mean the possibilities are limitless, and would have a cascading effect, says Dessai, brimming with confidence. Prizes, prize money and categories could be increased, short films brought in, besides other sections. He said sponsors and backers, not just from next door Bollywood, but from Kolkatta, South Indian cinema, and contacts in Cannes and Hollywood, are backing ESG's plans. We've had talks with the industry. They want revolutionary changes -- a greater role for the industry, more business opportunities, more seminars, better films and old ways of functioning will not facilitate that, adds Dessai. (ends) -- Pamela D'Mello M: 9850461649 http://pameladmello.wordpress.com http://www.youtube.com/user/pameladmello
[Goanet-News] Goanet Reader: From Siridao to Swindon
From Siridao to Swindon By Selma Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED] Driving through Swindon, I don't get the impression of a factory town. It is lush green with swathes of agricultural land, the streets lined with houses not given to prosperity but neither to the grime associated with industrial hubs. I would find out later that simmering behind the façade of tranquility lies the squalid reality of racism, chicken-factory jobs and over-crowded living quarters. For now, I was making my way to Agnelo De Mello's house, wanting to find out what had brought the diaspora Goan soul to Swindon. Agnelo, ex-president of the Goan Swindon Association, sits in his living room wearing an Islander shirt and wide grin. Musical instruments propped against the wall are a tell-tale sign that music flows freely in his house. He writes rap music and plays in a band. Much like the Biblical patriarch Abraham, Agnelo says he is the genesis of the growing Goan tribe in Swindon. He moved here from the Gulf some twenty years ago. He knew the then manager of the Rover assembly plant and was instrumental in getting jobs for Goans. From this humble seedling, a mighty tree has grown. As per the 2001 UK Census, Swindon had a population of 180,061 of which 1.3% were Indian. Senior Catholic priest, Monsignor Twomey estimates the influx of Goans in recent years to be in the region of 8,000. Although this figure is hard to verify, Swindon has become a substantial concentration of Goans in disapora. The Monsignor notes that his largely Irish Catholic parish has now been replaced by Goans. A large percentage of them are from Siridao, Goa Velha and Agassim. Portugal affords Goans, right to Portuguese nationality. By virtue of the EU's free movement of labour as per the Treaty of Rome, Goans have access to UK labour markets. I wondered if they had found the fabled pot of gold at the end of the multi-coloured immigration rainbow? Swindon is an industrial estate, home to companies such as Honda, BMW and Faccenda, one of UK's largest chicken processing plants. It is in factories such as these that Goans find employment. Anyone who has visited a chicken processing unit will vouch that the stench of raw chicken is unbearable and industrial accidents are not unheard off. The Wiltshire paper reported: In March 2002, Faccenda was fined £14,000 by Chippenham Magistrates Court when it pleaded guilty to failing in its duty to protect the health and safety of its staff, after a teenage worker lost two fingers in a chicken-skinning machine. The same year, Faccenda removed the toilet seats in the men's toilets. The staff alleged this was to cut short the amount of time spent in the restrooms. Men had to either squat on the toilets or sit on a rim encrusted by faeces and urine. The supervisory mindsets are military-like. Although Goans pride themselves on their ability to converse in English, in a country like the UK, many find their ability to communicate deficient and, they are averse to re-training. Their lives are condemned to low-skilled jobs. Life at the bottom of the industrial food-chain, however, is competitive. Amongst native Swindonians, there is a feeling that Asians are taking over their jobs. In 2004, rocks were hurled at a coach carrying Goan workers from Faccenda factory. Later in the year, coaches used to bus ethnic workers were vandalised. Faccenda is set to close as of September 2008. Visiting the blog world, I find that some are applauding the closure of Faccenda, seen as an employer of minorities. A source alleges that Goans have had to bribe Recruitment agents with laptops and paid vacation trips, to secure employment. I'm reminded of a Mafia-type protection racket. For all this they are paid a pittance. I called up Storm Recruitment agency, which supplies industrial labour and at one time supplied Faccenda, to find out just how much I would earn if I was willing to stuff chicken-wings into plastic bags. Between £5.52 and £6.00 per hour, which in the UK barely puts a roof over one's head. Goans predominantly live in the town center along Manchester Road, Elmina Road and Broad Street. Living conditions are cramped. Sitting rooms have been converted into bedrooms and rented out at £450 per month. It is common for two or even three households to be living in a house meant for a single family and sharing one bathroom under the most unhygienic of conditions. Karen Leakey, an active community leader who is perhaps more vehemently vocal than most about trash and multiple occupancy homes, made this comment in a Swindon newspaper, We have a large Goan population around here with big families all living in one house - as is their culture, thereby generating large amounts of garbage. Although her point was about the need to improve garbage collection, not all residents of Swindon are sympathetic. One comment was, maybe it is their culture but it is not ours and if it creates a health issue such overcrowding has to stop. What then is the
[Goanet-News] Goanet's 14th Anniversary -- August 25, 2008
Dear Goanetters, Another year has flown by and today is Goanet's 14th anniversary. I'd like to thank each and every one of you for your continued support in making this possible. We owe a great deal of thanks to our dedicated volunteers who put in a lot of work behind the scenes. They are: Frederick 'FN' Noronha (Goa, India) Bosco D'Mello (Toronto, Canada) Viviana Coelho (San Francisco, USA) Christina Pinto (Australia) Avelino D'Souza (Kuwait) Two of our volunteers deserve special mention. Frederick Noronha and Bosco D'Mello have been the pillars of Goanet. They have both gone way beyond their call of duty. Many thanks to those of you who support Goanet through volunteering, making donations, promoting Goanet at events or on your websites, and contributing to discussions on Goanet. Goanet needs your support to grow. We will need you this year more than ever as we expand our services. We will need your donations and time volunteering more than anything. I hope that you will rise to the task when the time comes. Goanet is a non-profit organization that provides a free and valuable service to the community. If you benefit from the service we provide think about your part in supporting us to make this possible. Make a donation to Goanet regularly, no matter how small. Each little bit helps us with maintenance costs. It's easy, just go to the Goanet homepage and click on the button Make a Donation. Thank you all for your continued support. We hope you enjoy Goanet and that you will continue your support for us. Viva Goa! -- Herman Herman Carneiro Founder and Chairman www.Goanet.org Where Goans Connect!
[Goanet-News] Goa news for August 28, 2008
Goa News from Google News and Goanet.org Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories. *** Entertainment body to seek more powers from Centre - Hindu [11 hours ago] Panaji (PTI): The Entertainment Society of Goa (ESG) has sought more powers from the Centre to organise the International Film Festival of India. ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/9-0fd=Rurl=http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/009200808271750.htmcid=1240258447ei=X-O1SIreNoWMhQPz2JHzCgusg=AFQjCNEyBjC7KgE91E2wYi8ViXvCSlFMQQ *** Goa boils over Opposition leader\'s chamar utterance - Times of India [Aug 26, 2008] PANAJI: Goa Leader of Opposition Manohar Parrikar's utterance of the word chamar on the floor of the House referring to the Scheduled Caste (ST) community ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/8-0fd=Rurl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Goa/Goa_boils_over_Opposition_leaders_chamar_utterance/articleshow/3408570.cmscid=0ei=X-O1SIreNoWMhQPz2JHzCgusg=AFQjCNGt4NHGr40NRMNkytt0K6BOaXGqEQ *** Plea against Goa Minister for anti-Bihari remarks admitted - Zee News [6 hours ago] Patna, Aug 27: A local court on Wednesday admitted a petition against a Goa minister for his alleged anti-Bihari remarks that there will be more beggars in ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/7-0fd=Rurl=http://www.zeenews.com/articles.asp?aid=464893sid=REGcid=0ei=X-O1SIreNoWMhQPz2JHzCgusg=AFQjCNGjdsra3KEwXCOQgk0acGEha_j85w *** Protests in Goa over caste remark - Howrah News Service [4 hours ago] 27: Use of the caste word chamar by BJP former CM Manohar Parrikar in the Goa Assembly, sparked off protests from scheduled castes organisations on ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/6-0fd=Rurl=http://howrah.org/india_news/26297.htmlcid=0ei=X-O1SIreNoWMhQPz2JHzCgusg=AFQjCNERjeLpLOxZ-pcR4qLeQ-iwCJiy_Q *** GOA Signs Petroglyph MMO - Crispy Gamer [2 hours ago] True Games Interactive has signed an exclusive deal with GOA, Oranges Games Unit to publish, distribute and operate True Games upcoming online title from ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/5-0fd=Rurl=http://www.crispygamer.com/news/index.php/2008-08-27/goa-signs-petroglyph-mmo/cid=0ei=X-O1SIreNoWMhQPz2JHzCgusg=AFQjCNH8hABMJX43iCjD0zqj0hr_s-ujdw *** ED suspects huge Fema violations by Russians in Goa - Livemint [3 hours ago] Mumbai: The Enforcement Directorate, or ED, the agency responsible for investigating economic crime in India, has sought information from the Goa government ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/4-0fd=Rurl=http://www.livemint.com/2008/08/28004525/ED-suspects-huge-Fema-violatio.htmlcid=0ei=X-O1SIreNoWMhQPz2JHzCgusg=AFQjCNHk-z_RiKOYnBNt4sX2Pn6CDevhtg *** Goa celebrates Gokulashtami - Times of India [15 hours ago] From late Saturday night to Sunday evening, religious rituals marked Janmashtami all over Goa . Prayers were offered on Saturday night and dahi-handi, ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/3-0fd=Rurl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Goa/Goa_celebrates_Gokulashtami/articleshow/3404537.cmscid=0ei=X-O1SIreNoWMhQPz2JHzCgusg=AFQjCNG4ltTPdOunml49Q7iThGHjFnmw7Q *** Is the school complex plan a viable one for Goa? - Times of India [9 hours ago] The Goa government announced that it has acquired 1.12lakh sq m of land at Cujira for the proposed school complex. Schools from Panaji will be shifted to ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/2-0fd=Rurl=http://o3.indiatimes.com/mytimes/archive/2008/08/27/4937229.aspxcid=1240309620ei=X-O1SIreNoWMhQPz2JHzCgusg=AFQjCNFl-MI6HfMJgbdNx1J_yvOd_89LoQ *** Go Goa - only if you are upmarket and family - Reuters India [10 hours ago] Goa, long a magnet for partying hippies, penurious college students and planeloads of foreign pensioners, now wants only upmarket and responsible family ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/1-0fd=Rurl=http://blogs.reuters.com/india/2008/08/26/go-goa-only-if-you-are-upmarket-and-family/cid=0ei=X-O1SIreNoWMhQPz2JHzCgusg=AFQjCNElB71Mv5T7vFgr0kaBYl9zJuOoHA *** True Games Interactive Signs Exclusive Deal with European ... - MarketWatch [6 hours ago] GOA will exclusively publish, distribute and operate True Games's upcoming online title from Petroglyph Studios. In April of this year,True Games announced ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/0-0fd=Rurl=http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/true-games-interactive-signs-exclusive/story.aspx?guid=%7BEA43D1D3-663A-429F-B99E-769BE6E3F55A%7Ddist=hpprcid=1240402931ei=X-O1SIreNoWMhQPz2JHzCgusg=AFQjCNGQU_UfEHrjCptbIzF9h1I8Cd9MZQ Compiled by Goanet News Service http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php
[Goanet] FW: IRRESPONSIBLE JOURNALIST VERSUS NGOs
_ IRRESPONSIBLE JOURNALIST VERSUS NGOs. Averthanus L. D'Souza. There is none so blind as the one who refuses to acknowledge a truth which stares him in the face. Mr. Sujay Gupta drifted into Goa in search of a job, and is now pretending to be a champion of Goa and Goan heritage. He has introduced a diabolical (Gupta's choice of word) distinction between the real people of Goa and the other Goans; as well as between the readers (the real ones, with the right to criticize) and the others. Sujay Gupta got off on the wrong foot by attacking ALL NGOs in the country, (eight lakh, according to him) including the NGOs in Goa. His original article in the OPinionatED column of the Herald of August 11th, 2008 explicitly accused all NGOs of supporting terrorism. His column was titled: NGOs: Where do you get your money from.? He clearly asserted that The demand for independent scrutiny of funding patterns for eight lakh NGOs in the country, including our own Goan NGOs, couldn't have come a day earlier. In support of his accusation that NGOs were supporting terrorism he cited an (obviously out of touch) Professor of Finance of the IIM, Bangalore, whose article in the Hindu, incidentally, did not even remotely hint that NGOs supported terrorism in India. This was Sujay Gupta's (deplorable) attempt to lend credibility to his wanton attack against NGOs in general, and Goan NGOs in particular. He deployed the big guns to support his frivolous and totally unsubstantiated attack. My rejoinder (which appeared in the Herald on August 23, 2008) to his original article, was a point by point factual refutation of the several allegations which he had made. Sujay Gupta has now chosen to describe this rejoinder as an angry diatribe (which) reeks of frustration and not of fact. My rejoinder quite obviously touched a raw nerve because I compared him to a circus contortionist, who is able to tie himself up in a knot. After reading his latest letter to the Editor (August 26th) I have even stronger reason to assert that, unlike the circus contortionist, Sujay Gupta, has tied himself up in an intellectual knot from which he is unable to untangle himself. He still asserts: Yes, I am trying to kill flies using a sledgehammer; some flies that bring in funds in the garb of NGO activity and use them for diabolical purposes (sic), or to fill their own pockets. It should be noted that in his original wild and grossly exaggerated allegations Sujay Gupta has not adduced any evidence whatsoever. Instead he has now chosen to shift the ground of the debate by asserting that a few (sic) NGOs who get funds from outside in the name of the NGO and divert them for more diabolical purposes, including funding terrorist outfits and organizations.In support of his allegation, he mentions that the National Security Advisor has warned of this, and there are a few such evidences before the Union Home Ministry from Kashmir and Gujarat. So now the accusation made by Sujay Gupta that all the 8 lakh NGOs in the country are conduits for support to terrorist outfits has narrowed down to a few NGOs from Kashmir and Gujarat (and no mention of any NGOs in Goa, which please note !!).A very far cry, indeed, from his original wild and irresponsible accusation that 8 lakh NGOs in India should be brought under the surveillance of the Government. I have already pointed out (in my earlier rebuttal) that all NGOs which are registered with the Registrar of Societies (or with the Registrar of Companies, or the Registrar of Cooperative Societies, or with the Registrar of Trusts) are already under strict surveillance. They are required to submit frequent Statements of Accounts duly audited by Chartered Accountants. Sujay Gupta ignores this fact, and stupidly (I use the word advisedly) asserts that .the onus of proving them wrong lies solely with him. (Mr. D'Souza). Sujay Gupta should know by now that the onus of proving an accusation lies with the accuser. The responsibility is NOT on the accused to prove his innocence of the charges. In Indian Law, as also in most western judicial processes, the accusations have to be proven in a Court of Law by the one who brings forward the accusation. In fact it is axiomatic in legal circles that an accused person is assumed to be innocent unless he is proven to be guilty beyond any reasonable doubt. Sujay Gupta is the one who needs to do his homework. And while he is at it, he would do well to find out what the Government of India is doing with all the incriminating evidence which it has (supposedly) garnered about the few NGOs which have received foreign funds and have transferred them to terrorist outfits. It should be further noted that Sujay Gupta has this despicable habit of shifting the focus of a debate. In his letter to the Editor (Herald, August 26th.) he asserts: I have never
[Goanet] Miracles - In Defence of Fr. Ivo
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 09:44:29 -0400, Roland Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on the Subject: [Goanet] Miracles - In Defence of Fr. Ivo (matter deleted). Dear Roland and Rev. Fr. Ivo, I cannot make anyone believe in anything, it is one's own prerogative whether they want to believe or not. But I do fully agree and believe in miracles. Waking up every morning is a miracle for me. I could have been dead before I see a new dawn, but God chooses that I wake up to thank Him for another day. Isn't the Birth of a new life a miracle? Who gave man the intelligence to believe or not believe? Can anyone explain that? Education gives man intelligence? Who created education that in turn creates intellingence? Who created everything that we see, smell, think about, feel, possess, etc? Isn't that a miracle? I could have been mince meat in an accident about 8 years ago in very heavy traffic, at superfast speed, on a very busy superhighway in Saudi Arabia. I have seen brain, limbs thrown 40 ft away from the body, etc situations on Saudi Roads, but I escaped with a minor scratch on my knee. Why did I survive that accident? Why did I not die the same way others in similar accidents do? Can anyone explain? I believe that was a miracle. Cheers Agnelo Fernandes
[Goanet] Daily Grook #200
DAILY GROOK #200 __ VEGGIES' WAGES __ by Francis Rodrigues they live s'parsley at the greengrocery, all the thyme really they get no celery! _ puns word-play of all kinds, if you read between the lines! _ _ Find hidden words, unscramble celebrity names, or try the ultimate crossword puzzle with Live Search Games. Play now! http://g.msn.ca/ca55/212
Re: [Goanet] It is just not so
--- On Tue, 8/26/08, Gilbert Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: GJ quotes a reference who points out that never in the history of human civilization, and prior to that, was there a matriarchal society. I don't know about the rest of the material presented in this thread, but the above is quite obviously wrong. If I remember correctly, there were many prehistoric tribes, including those in south India that followed the matriarchal and matrilinear system. I think a buffalo-herding pastoral tribe of Goa that moved in from the south had such an organization. From the evolutionary standpoint, Bonobos, one of our closest cousins in the primate family live in a primitive matriarchal society. Cheers, Santosh
[Goanet] Konknni - Marathi Bogeymen
Dear fellow Goans, I wonder on whose strength does Pundalik Naik claim that he will not allow any amendment to Goa's Officlal Language Act. There is no doubt that the present threat to the Act is nothing but some politicians trying to get a back-door entry for Marathi as the official language of Goa in the name of recognition to roman script. But this vulnerable situation has been brought about by people like Pundalik and his jolly boys of the devanagiri konkani circuit with their rajdhani of 'mad gaon'. I wonder from where Pundalik is going to get his numbers to challenge the government over Konknni after his naked act of exclusion of the Roman script Konkani writing community and his continued opposition to granting their just demand. The community was betrayed once and I hope it has now grown wiser. As for the mischief by politicians to demand that Marathi be given equal status with konkani is ridiculous; mere official recognition given to a language script does not justify giving official language status for another language. Just like the minorities are constantly being frightehened into voting for the communally secular Congress, in the same way the threat of Marathi is being used to blackmail the roman script konknni writers into forceful submission to devnagiri script konknni. The roman script konknni writing community is constantly blackmailed into having no choice of choosing other political parties and no choice as regards choosing its script for its mother tongue. How long will these sections of Goans continue to be blackmailed by this exploitative coterie of marathi Konknni converts who connive with the marathi lobby to exclude roman script fom geting its due place? -Soter D'Souza
[Goanet] Goa's villains close ranks
To Goanet - Scan the names carefully in the news item below from today's Herald. It features the rogue's gallery of Goa's builder mafia which Herald cutely calls professional bodies. They want their bum pal Digu to clip the powers of the gram sabhas. This is simply another backdoor attempt by the builder's mafia to trample on Goa and the rights of Goans and enrich themselves (all that shit-shat about holistic economy). * http://oheraldo.in/pagedetails.asp?nid=9012cid=2 PANJIM, AUG 26 — In an attempt to find a solution to the massive opposition from all quarters to developmental projects in the State, a delegation of professional bodies today called on Chief Minister Digambar Kamat suggesting an all-party meeting to decide on the economic activity that is required for Goa so as to create employment opportunities. The delegation — Goa Chamber of Commerce Industry, CREDAI–Goa, Goa State Industries Association Institution of Engineers-Goa Local Centre — in their memorandum states, “We are highly disturbed by the tendency of the Government to go on the defensive once there is any agitation against any particular private or public project. All political parties including the ruling party want to be politically correct, and in their efforts to salvage the party interest, they are totally blind to the trauma that entrepreneurs are suffering due to ongoing public outcry against ongoing/forthcoming projects”. Appreciating the concern of citizens and the NGOs for safeguarding environment and ecology of Goa and the demand for improved infrastructure the delegation felt they should not overstretch their argument without taking holistic view of the economy. Emphasising the need for upgrading infrastructure, the memorandum has deplored the tendency to stop all projects in industrial, tourism and housing sector on the ground of inadequate infrastructure. The professional bodies have also requested the government to improve law and order situation in Goa and to ensure the police are not just mute spectators when people take law into their hands. The professional bodies, however, welcomed the constitution of Law Commission and suggested a high-powered committee for administrative and legal reforms. The delegation has urged the Government to take a tough stand on businessmen who do not adhere to laws and are involved in illegal activities. “The Government should take steps to demolish illegal structures not only of unscrupulous sections of industry, but also of individuals who have numerous illegal structures in the NDZ, CRZ and encroached Communidade land”, says the memorandum. The delegation also suggested that the Government take legal opinion and comes out with a clear-cut statement on powers of the gram sabhas. The other demands made by the delegation include finalisation of Regional Plan 2021 and releasing new areas outside eco sensitive zones. The professional bodies also demanded positive initiative to give a boost to industry including tourism and strengthen the transportation network. Professional bodies led by President Goa Chamber of Commerce Industry Nitin Kunkolienker, included Eng. Ernesto Moniz, Arch. Tulio De Souza, Datta Naik, Arch. Brian Soares, Atul Naik, Gautam Rao Francisco Braganca. * r
[Goanet] DABOLIM AIRPORT SUFFERS SETBACK
Logically, Dabolim airport in its centralised location serves both North and South equally well in terms of distance, pricing of taxi fares etc. With the exception of a certain district in North Goa and other vested interests in Maharashtra, the entire state of Goa seems to want Dabolim Airport.[Sheila Dza] Sheila, your comparison of Dabolim and Mopa suggests to me the use of the imagery underpinning the required reasoning. One may understandably resort to comparisons of which is better if it is about two lovers. But if it is about two children (in this case one is yet unborn but unwanted by one of the parents as you yourself are pointing out). I would suggest that to make the necessary headway with the problem you try to think more of Dabolim and Mopa as children (or, if you prefer, as parents). Except in extreme circumstances, one does not say one child is better than another or one parent is better than the other.
Re: [Goanet] Miracles
--- On Tue, 8/26/08, Agnelo Fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I could have been mince meat in an accident about 8 years ago in very heavy traffic, at superfast speed, on a very busy superhighway in Saudi Arabia. I have seen brain, limbs thrown 40 ft away from the body, etc situations on Saudi Roads, but I escaped with a minor scratch on my knee. I believe that was a miracle. Is the opposite true? If someone dies in an accident, there is no miracle, hence no God? Given there are many deaths in car accidents, should we conclude God does not exist just as some conclude God exists if they survive the accident? Regards, George
Re: [Goanet] Dr. Jose and Fr. Ivo (was Lourdes miracles)
Jose wrote: In my clinical experience (of some years now) there have been some unexpected cures/recoveries. They have been amazing and wonderful occurrences inexplicable by our current knowledge. Until I find scientific explanations for the cures, I will call them miracles. Josebab, please note that you say until I find scientific explanations, the meaning of which should be clear to others from my answers to Mario's questions below. --- On Tue, 8/26/08, Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I would like to know is, are there any events, either positive or negative, that are known to have occurred for which there is no plausible scientific explanation. There are many natural phenomena for which the complete scientific explanation is yet to be discovered, for example the phenomenon of consciousness or the phenomenon of sleep. I am thankful for the fact that they are unexplained, because otherwise I would be out of a job. When a scientist encounters an unexplained observation, he/she applies the method of science, and conducts painstaking research to find a natural explanation for it. For example, how does one get a malignant sarcoma when there has never been a known incidence of cancer in one's family? As far as I know, there could be many reasons. For example, people with AIDS might get Kaposi's sarcoma from a Herpes virus. How does a child turn out to be left handed when there are no left handers on either side of her family? As far as I know, one reason might stem from the fact that environmental factors are known to play a role in the expression of left-handedness. Cheers, Santosh
[Goanet] CAUTION, MEN AT WORK -- II (concluding part of Augusto Pinto's piece on the Herald sexual harassment case. )
CAUTION, MEN AT WORK - II: STORIES OF SEXUAL HARASSMENT, FROM DEMPO COLLEGE TO HERALD PUBLICATIONS This is the concluding part of Augusto Pinto's piece on the Herald sexual harassment case. PenPricks The Herald Sexual Harassment Case: Here Is The Connection In The Form Of A Few Comments, Predictions And Advice. 1] Like V.R.Naik, Manjunath will avoid appearing before the G.S.C.W. This puts all the burden of facing the tension of appearing before this Commission upon the victim and witnesses on her behalf. 2] If the victim is lucky, a for more log on to http://penpricks.blogspot.com/2008/08/caution-men-at-work-ii-stories-of.html
[Goanet] story on Glenn Perry
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[Goanet] EXHIBITION FOOTBALL MATCH IN KUWAIT - 29 AUG. 2008
www.goa-world.com Quality. Precision. Professional. Gulf-Goans e-Newsletter http://yahoogroups.com/group/gulf-goans/ EXHIBITION FOOTBALL MATCH ORGANIZED BY UNITED GOANS CENTRE - KUWAIT United Goans Centre-Kuwait is pleased to inform all football enthusiasts that an exhibition football match will be played between Guirim XI and U.G. Strikers on 29 August 2008 (Friday) at 7:00 a.m. at the Grass Grounds (near Ministry of Communications, Opp. Kuwait TV Station –Close to old Sour Grounds), Kuwait City. United Goans Centre is organizing this farewell match for its member S.Joseph Salema (ex-Mafatlal) who is leaving Kuwait for good. Dominic Pereira of Wafra Investment Co. has consented to be the chief guest. The match will be officiated by Indian Football Referees’ Association (IFRA). All are cordially invited to witness the match. For details, contact UGC members or email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ About S.J. SALEMA Place: Navelim (Goa) Position: Striker Played for United Goans Centre (UG) (Pic: SJ SALEMA Seen standing (1st Left) with the UGC Football Team www.goa-world.com archives - Photo by Rewon Gomes) www.goa-world.com/goa/sports/ Playing in Kuwait since 1983, Joseph Salema, undoubtedly, is one of the legends of Indian Football in Kuwait and still at his best. During his peak form, Salema was the most dangerous player anywhere near the D-Area. Fast as the wind, tough as a bull and still a disciplined footballer, Salema could go past any defence with his magical dribbling and bullet 'shots' with his gifted left foot. A star player of Mafatlal Bombay (now defunct), Salema went on to play for Maharashtra and Junior India. Playing for Navelim Sporting back home in Inter-village tournaments, Salema was a 'Hero from Kuwait' -- welcome anytime he came down on vacation. Supporters used to go crazy to watch this mercurial striker and many youngsters, who did not know see him often, wondered why the Goan top Division teams never roped him in, then. He was a star at every tournament especially in Salcete. The fact that this young warrior can still put it past defenders much younger his age speaks about his ability as a dedicated footballer. Remembering his younger days Salema says, I was selected to participate in the Asian Championship'82 at Salt Lake, Calcutta but due to a knee injury during training I lost the opportunity. I also had an invitation letter from Mohan Bagan which I declined as I was too young to take the decision at that time; the letter, however has remained as a souvenir. Kuwait Indians are proud to have Salema playing at Soor and guiding younger players. His efforts to promote Indian Football game in Kuwait shall never be forgotten. Fact File: Joseph Salema Village clubs: C.R.S.C, Navelim Sporting Navelim Union Schools: Guardian Angel( Subroto, Eddie Memorial at Belgaum Interschools Games) Goa Football Association (GOA): Guardian Angel Mandovi Shipyard WIFA Bombay: Income Tax, Central Railways Mafatlal National: Represented All India Schools for Goa twice -Punjab Haryana; Represented Goa (Jr.) National in Srinagar; (Kashmir )as vice-captain; Represented Maharashtra (Jr.) National in Orissa as captain; Represented All India Railways for Maharashtra; Represented India (Jr.) in Bangladesh as vice captain. Kuwait: Navelim Youth Centre United Goans' Centre; Played Goa XI Kuwait in Bahrain Awards: Awarded Athlete of the Year - 2005 by CRC Chinchinim, Kuwait. Hobbies: Travelling, Music reading. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gulf-goans/message/13795 (As researched by Gasper Crasto for Gulf-Goans e-Newsletter, www.goa-world.com) Forwarded by: Goa's Pride - http://www.goa-world.com http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=_Avn6_AepNwfeature=related Gulf-Goans e-Newsletter is presented by Ulysses Menezes, www.goa-world.com and moderated by Gaspar Almeida (since 1994). UPCOMING EVENT IN KUWAIT Indian Olympic bronze medallists - wrestler Sushil Kumar (left) and boxer Vijender Singh (right) show their medals to the President, Ms Pratibha Patil (centre) during a meeting at the Presidential palace in New Delhi on Tuesday. (AFP) Olympic bronze medallists wrestler Shushil Kumar (right) and boxer Vijender Singh (second right) show their medals to United Progressive Alliance (UPA) Chairperson, Ms Sonia Gandhi (left) during a meeting in New Delhi on Tuesday. (AFP) Our Goemkars in Heaven and Hell http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gulf-goans/message/20766 'AITARACHEO KATKUTLEO' - A compilation of Konkani humour essays will be released on 8th September at 7:30 p.m. at the hands of veteran Konkani author and social worker Shri Damodar Mauzo (Bhai) at Our Lady of Lourdes School-Hall at Utorda. The book is the first by the Kuwait-based author Lino B. Dourado, who is also a well -known Konkani poet. Lino’s writings and poems in Konkani and English have been published
[Goanet] Broad band connection
Albert writes:- I have taken a broad band connection initially it was for 930 plus with telephone rental free. I have only incoming bsnl telephone. But of late they have reduced their rates and i am paying just 830 per month unlimited use. I do not have any headaches at all. Whther my son downloads movies or games. the bill is the same. _ Searching for the best deals on travel? Visit MSN Travel. http://msn.coxandkings.co.in/cnk/cnk.do
[Goanet] Is India a poor country
Interesting article. Any comments, goanetters? Anil Desai - *From: TULSI SAVANIhttp://www.fosaac.tv/newsletter/inc/rdr.asp?31308___08823185736___mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * *Sent:* Saturday, August 23, 2008 2:30 PM *Subject:* IS INDIA POOR? Is India poor, who says? Ask Swiss banks With personal account deposit bank of $1500 billion in foreign reserve which have been misappropriated, an amount 13 times larger than the country's foreign debt, one needs to rethink if India is a poor country?. DISHONEST INDUSTRIALISTS, scandalous politicians and corrupt IAS, IRS, IPS officers have deposited in foreign banks in their illegal personal accounts a sum of about $ 1500 billion, which have been misappropriated by them. This amount is about 13 times larger than the country's foreign debt. With this amount 45 crore poor people can get Rs 1,00,000 each. This huge amount has been appropriated from the people of India by exploiting and betraying them. Once this huge amount of black money and property comes back to India , the entire foreign debt can be repaid in 24 hours. After paying the entire foreign debt, we will have surplus amount, almost 12 times larger than the foreign debt. If this surplus amount is invested in earning interest, the amount of interest will be more than the annual budget of the Central government. So even if all the taxes are abolished, then also the Central government will be able to maintain the country very comfortably. Some 80,000 people travel to Switzerland every year, of whom 25,000 travel very frequently. 'Obviously, these people won't be tourists. They must be travelling there for some other reason,' believes an official involved in tracking illegal money. And, clearly, he isn't referring to the commerce ministry bureaucrats who've been flitting in and out of Geneva ever since the World Trade Organisation (WTO) negotiations went into a tailspin! Just read the following details and note how these dishonest industrialists, scandalous politicians, corrupt officers, cricketers, film actors, illegal sex trade and protected wildlife operators, to name just a few, sucked this country's wealth and prosperity. This may be the picture of deposits in Swiss banks only. What about other international banks? Black money in Swiss banks -- Swiss Banking Association report, 2006 details bank deposits in the territory of Switzerland by nationals of following countries: Top five India $1,456 billion Russia ---$ 470 billion UK ---$390 billion Ukraine - $100 billion China -$ 96 billion Now do the maths - India with $1456 billion or $1.4 trillion has more money in Swiss banks than rest of the world combined. Public loot since 1947: Can we bring back our money? It is one of the biggest loots witnessed by mankind -- the loot of the Aam Aadmi (common man) since 1947, by his brethren occupying public office. It has been orchestrated by politicians, bureaucrats and some businessmen. The list is almost all-encompassing. No wonder, everyone in India loots with impunity and without any fear. What is even more depressing in that this ill-gotten wealth of ours has been stashed away abroad into secret bank accounts located in some of the world's best known tax havens. And to that extent the Indian economy has been stripped of its wealth. Ordinary Indians may not be exactly aware of how such secret accounts operate and what are the rules and regulations that go on to govern such tax havens. However, one may well be aware of 'Swiss bank accounts,' the shorthand for murky dealings, secrecy and of course pilferage from developing countries into rich developed ones. In fact, some finance experts and economists believe tax havens to be a conspiracy of the western world against the poor countries. By allowing the proliferation of tax havens in the twentieth century, the western world explicitly encourages the movement of scarce capital from the developing countries to the rich. In March 2005, the Tax Justice Network (TJN) published a research finding demonstrating that $11.5 trillion of personal wealth was held offshore by rich individuals across the globe. The findings estimated that a large proportion of this wealth was managed from some 70 tax havens. Further, augmenting these studies of TJN, Raymond Baker -- in his widely celebrated book titled 'Capitalism' s Achilles Heel: Dirty Money and How to Renew the Free Market System' -- estimates that at least $5 trillion have been shifted out of poorer countries to the West since the mid-1970. It is further estimated by experts that one per cent of the world's population holds more than 57 per cent of total global wealth, routing it invariably through these tax havens. How much of this is from India is anybody's guess. What is to be noted here is that most of the wealth of Indians parked in these tax havens is illegitimate money acquired through corrupt means. Naturally, the secrecy associated with the bank accounts in such places
[Goanet] Why can't India develop world-class athletes???
Mario said: You don't seem to be familiar with India outside Goa, but there are millions of meat-eating Indians in the north, south, east, west and center as well as in Goa. -- Reply: Well! Well! well! I have spent more time outside of Goa than in it. Allahabad, Jabalpur. Bengal, Madhya Preadesh (Indore, Satna etc). I'm in a better position to talk about India than YOU Mr. Hockey is a team effort - got that! Carmo with his ponch would not be able to run beyond my back garden. Hockey players are mostly from the Military employment and the Railways, I know, my cousin was one of them, they do nothing but play Hockey all day. ED. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet] Miracles
From: Agnelo Fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I cannot make anyone believe in anything, it is one's own prerogative
whether they want to believe or not. But I do fully agree and believe in
miracles. Isn't the Birth of a new life a miracle?
*** We do accept the possibility and the fact of miracles. Nobody is bound
to admit them. But one has to evaluate the evidence instead of denying
point-blank the fact of extraordinary phenomena. We believe in the
providential love of God and therefore, even trivial facts can be considered
miracles in the broad sense. Science will not come to our rescue in this
case. Bible would ascribe birth to God instead of secondary causes, that is,
to the parents. But when there are 'extraordinary, unexplained facts, then
Science and historical evidence are witnesses to them, yet Science will not
be able to explain them, simply because miracles transcend the natural
order. William Ockham applied his criterion of parsimony ('Ockham's razor')
to unnecessary beings, but accepted God, Trinity, miracles in the light of
Christian Revelation. My contention is that we cannot deny miracles in the
name of Science. Science tells us that something is 'extraordinary', Faith
tells us that it is a miracle, ascribable to God alone.
Regards.
Fr.Ivo
[Goanet] Unmask yourself...if you have the ....Joe Goa UK
JoeGoaUK said: Voir (Dubai) ravon xepotam sangta to, sokla deum ani sang mure How can a dog protect it's master by barking from somebody else's house? Save Goa! Save Goa! How? By using remote control from abroad? Sorry, it may work for Laloo but not for Goa --- Reply:- But people are still shitting and pissing all over Panjim. Your hero Porrikar and all other MLAs think they are Gods once elected. MLAs are elected to serve, not to sit on the codel and dictate to the public. Dubaicar with their remote control can at least remind Porrikars of Goa, that they are dumb. What have YOU done other than post a few nasty pictures and put us off our breakfast. ED. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[Goanet] Panjim Mess?
Albert writes:- Panjim was a planned city. It was planned in such a way that during the monsoons when the rivers used to flood the water that would enter the city would flow through the drains into a small lake in Mala. They started building huge buildings and the drains were filled up. I do not seem to have seen a lake in Mala now.Parrikar did not build the kadamba bus stand but Rane did. -- Reply: More so - Goa planning mess! Porrikar nor Rane build the bus stand. Renata Porrikari did (the municipality of Panjim). It is the Planning commitee's duty to see that any building ANYWHERE IN GOA is built according to regulation - regarding sanitation and ERROSION. It is the Belpuri and Pakorah eating people who have come from Central Govt. to Goa that are creating this mess in Goa. ED. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet] Miracles
From: J. Colaco jc [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2008/8/26 Santosh Helekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1: Both Jose and Fr. Ivo are Catholics who believe in miracles. 2: Jose has always said that he believes in them because of his faith May I agree with #1 above and disagree with #2 - as stated by you? In my clinical experience (of some years now) there have been some unexpected cures / recoveries. They have been amazing and wonderful occurrences inexplicable by our current knowledge. Until I find scientific explanations for the cures, I will call them miracles. It has nothing to do with my faith (i.e. religion). It has everything to do with my inability to find a scientific explanation for them. ***It is good that you have found in your clinical practice such healings, which according to your scientific knowledge could not be medically done. Enquiry can always be extended and much more verified. You can also call them miracles in a broader sense. You see the fact scientifically, and could attribute it to God or leave it in suspense. I am accepting miracles, not only because I am a Catholic and must accept the possibility of miracles, -- since Christianity is a historical religion rooted in the greatest miracle, the Resurrection of Jesus--, but also because I see the rationale for miracles. It is based on the observation and evaluation of facts in the light of Science and common sense. That is why I suggest that the Church needs to have an open investigation of unexplained cures. Was there an illness? Was it coincidentaly treated by a drug which was used for another purpose? Can there be another reason for the cure? Is it really a cure? ***As I am given to understand, the Medical Bureau does all this enquiry and much more... What else could they do in these cases? Regards. Fr.Ivo
[Goanet] BBC E-mail: India's 'fragrant' rubbish dumps
RUBY GOES saw this story on the BBC News website and thought you should see it. ** Message ** Here's the latest on garbage management. rubygoes ** India's 'fragrant' rubbish dumps ** Authorities in the western Indian city of Mumbai (Bombay) douse garbage landfills with herbal perfume to lessen the putrid stench. http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/em/fr/-/2/hi/south_asia/751.stm ** BBC Daily E-mail ** Choose the news and sport headlines you want - when you want them, all in one daily e-mail http://www.bbc.co.uk/email ** Disclaimer ** The BBC is not responsible for the content of this e-mail, and anything written in this e-mail does not necessarily reflect the BBC's views or opinions. Please note that neither the e-mail address nor name of the sender have been verified. If you do not wish to receive such e-mails in the future or want to know more about the BBC's Email a Friend service, please read our frequently asked questions. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/help/4162471.stm
[Goanet] BBC E-mail: Flower that takes years to bloom
RUBY GOES saw this story on the BBC News website and thought you should see it. ** Message ** Do any Goanet botanists know more about Carvia Callosa? rubygoes ** Flower that takes years to bloom ** The BBC's Prachi Pinglay reports on the slow blooming of the Karvy flower. http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/em/fr/-/2/hi/south_asia/7580725.stm ** BBC Daily E-mail ** Choose the news and sport headlines you want - when you want them, all in one daily e-mail http://www.bbc.co.uk/email ** Disclaimer ** The BBC is not responsible for the content of this e-mail, and anything written in this e-mail does not necessarily reflect the BBC's views or opinions. Please note that neither the e-mail address nor name of the sender have been verified. If you do not wish to receive such e-mails in the future or want to know more about the BBC's Email a Friend service, please read our frequently asked questions. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/help/4162471.stm
[Goanet] Believers, miracles and a parable!
God never makes a mistake... Once upon a time a nobleman went hunting and took an assistant along. The nobleman did not believe in the kindness of Goa, while the assistant never ceased repeating that God never lets anyone down and never makes a mistake. During the hunt the nobleman was attacked by a wild animal. The assistant shot the animal, but not before it had taken off a finger of the nobleman, who got annoyed with his assistants praises of God. He got him jailed on returning home. The nobleman went again on a hunting mission and was caught by a wild tribe that decided to sacrifice him to their gods. But when they laid the man on the sacrificial block they noticed he did not have one finger and as as such was unsuitable for a perfect sacrifice. They let him go. The nobleman returned home and the first thing he did was to get his assistant out of the prison. He told him what had happened and asked: If your God is always good and makes no mistake, why did he allow me to put you in jail? He replied: Had you not done it, I would have been with you hunting and since I have all fingers, the tribals would not have spared me!
[Goanet] From Siridao to Swindon (with fotos)
http://goanvoice.org.uk/supplement/SwindonGoans.htm selma
[Goanet] Dr. Leo Rebello as American Presidential Candidate :)
If an Italian Sonia Gandhi can aspire to become the Prime Minister of India, why not Dr. Leo Rebello as the President of USA, ask his American friends who have created the following campaign for him. Click on the following and see for yourself. http://www.inews3.com/play.php?first=Dr Leolast=Rebello If you still do not believe, rub your eyes thrice, and see it for the second time and vote for Dr. Leo Rebello as the Next President of USA. :) Otherwise in 2012 he is sure to become the President of India.
Re: [Goanet] Unmask yourself...if you have the ....Joe Goa UK
Joe Ed You are both correct in what you say, both really singing from the same hymn sheet, only at different levels. There is much to be said about the barking dog, also the biting one. The remote controllers (those not in residence in Goa), do their bit, by continually biting at the ankles of the corrupt despicable in the higher echelons of society, elected legally (questionable with all this communalism, threats of violence, greasy of palms under-handed illegal ways etc).just as the Goans living back in their homeland who also do their bit. Joe has been showing us the awful mess (but the majority of his pics videos are more of a promotion of Goa than what has been lately), that is not Joe's fault. Things have changed dramatically over the past couple of years, more so this year with the influx of so many migrants with no homes or arrangements made to where they will live, causing the already-unstable infrastructure having to cope with so many people needing to use the toilet, somewhere to sleep, somewhere to wash and so on. I am in total agreement with both of you, please take up your cudgeols together and speak out against the corrupt local governement that is not doing anything to help the migrants who are coming in their droves, for work. Those who do not wish to work, but prefer urinating and defecating in public places (not even bothering to dig holes or take their business out of sight, will only attract more to do the same. I feel sorry for the migrants, they are after all Indian, and Goa is part of India, they have a legal right to travel wherever they wish, as do Goans who go to other Indian States, to live and work. As do Goans who travel outside India, for the same reason, to make their lives and those of their children better, after all we are all human beings, be they Catholics, Muslims, Hindus, Jains, Sikh, Buddist... no religion or faith matters in this compote of human beings. We are all the same except for varying in colours and outlook on life. Its is of course easy for me as you say Joe, and other remote controllers to sit at our computers, thousands of miles away saying that you must do this do that, but it is not, we would like to be there helping, but we cant, one of the ways that can help is to bring to attention to other country's readers of Goanet posts is precisely to nag, complain make a big show of the reality everyone in Goa is suffering, not just the Goans who have had it bad for a very long time, this time its the migrants, but this is addition to all that has been accepted by Goans, the corruption is not new, its as old as the hills that are being mined illegally. It is the responsibility of Government to cater to people's needs, not ignore them or place all these issues on the back burner, once in power. There is too much being done in the name of God, time to leave the Gods Goddesses alone, dont continually disturb them, they have given us a brain with it, the hands and feet to carry out our destiny. We need them in times of personal crisis, also when there is no crisis at all, just to thank them for well-being, able to find the food shelter we have, to thank them, not to cry wail for your sorrows, scream for revenge or hurt someone for the awful things that have been done to you or yours. Goans need help, from the government, they also need help from the remote controllers who are continually barraging Goanet emailling other non-government agencies, those who are working hard in Goa doing their bit, the charities are there helping migrants but not enough are out there, the goverment is not helping as much as they could. The infrastructure we talk about here is not sufficient, the land that is being used and abused by the migrants must be declared illegal something worked out by the local national government to help ALL Indians, the Goans have had enough, and are screaming with frustration, nobody listens unless you have bribery money or do them a favour in return. What a bunch of lazy, corrupt and inept people running Goa, there are a few departments though that I have read on Goanet are not quite as bad, there are individuals who have done their best, taken time out in their (also unpaid time) to do their jobs but do not have the power to enforce the rubber stamps they are able to use. What a waste of manpower a waste in the economy for Goa, but Joe Ed, you both have the hearts to beat as one, all together now.. hh No more squabbling please, too many divisions on this Goanet already with some airy fairy types we have on this forum telling us how to live our lives and dictating others to do the same. We are all individuals but keep it united. This bickering is not getting us anywhere, let us all live in harmony agree to disagree occaisionally, its quite human to dislike someone,
[Goanet] Konkani WoTD
Konkani Word of the Day: http://apps.new.facebook.com/konkani/ -- FN * Independent Journalist http://fn.goa-india.org My mobile number is again 9822 122436 Other numbers: res +91-832-2409490 or try +91-9970157402
[Goanet] From Siridao to Swindon - Selma Carvalho
From Siridao to Swindon 27 Aug: Selma Carvalho takes a drive to Swindon. In her own words Driving through Swindon, I don’t get the impression of a factory town...the streets lined with houses not given to prosperity but neither to the grime associated with industrial hubs. I would find out later that simmering behind the façade of tranquility lies the squalid reality of racism, chicken-factory jobs and over-crowded living quarters. 1103 words. - more at http://www.goanvoice.org.uk/ === WORLD GOA DAY - celebrated in GOA. http://www.childrenwalkingtall.com/Pictures/9-6.htm WORLD GOA DAY - VIVA GOA -CRYSTAL PALACE - UK http://good-times.webshots.com/album/565585700qIqAdY WORLD GOA DAY - SYDNEY- AUSTRALIA www.goansw.com =
[Goanet] fair comment judgement by Canada's Supreme Court
From a recent judgement in Canada. -- We live in a free country where people have as much right to express outrageous and ridiculous opinions as moderate ones. Mr. Justice Ian Binnie, WIC Radio Ltd. v. Simpson, 2008 SCC 40. -- Posted AT 9:46 PM EDT on 27/06/08 Supreme Court ruling modernizes defence of fair comment KIRK MAKIN From Saturday's Globe and Mail OTTAWA — The media should not live in constant fear of facing a libel suit every time a provocative commentary is published or broadcast, the Supreme Court of Canada said on Friday in a major ruling won by controversial Vancouver radio broadcaster Rafe Mair. --- Canada's highest court has clarified when an opinion is fair comment—and protected from a libel suit—in a ruling that overturns a libel award against Vancouver radio talk show host Rafe Mair. The June 27 ruling, endorsed by all nine judges, acknowledges that public controversy can be a rough trade and the law needs to accommodate its requirements. An overly solicitous regard for personal reputation, the court added, should not be permitted to 'chill' freewheeling debate on matters of public interest. Mair had invoked images of Nazi Germany and the Ku Klux Klan to criticize an activist who sought to ban schoolbooks depicting same-sex parents. --- The above items are posted just to show how fair comment is interpreted by the court in the light of some goanetters saying they are considering legal options for comments made in the debate over the recent Goan Convention. eugene
Re: [Goanet] From Siridao to Swindon (with fotos)
Selma Just a short response. Swindon is the fastest growing economic town/city in the whole of the EU. This is where the jobs are---hence the immigrants. Most immigrants anywhere want to make it economically and educationally however tough the initial conditions. The Goans are no exception. Many of your observations are interesting nevertheless even though I have rushed through the post for now. Cornel --- Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://goanvoice.org.uk/supplement/SwindonGoans.htm selma
Re: [Goanet] Goan Music: HERALD(Goa), Aug 10, 2008
Thank you Valmiki Bab, for sharing the gems of Goan Music Regarding the konkani songs, this is what I'm saying to Goemkars around the world, to listen to konkani songs and brush up their konkani. There are a few sites and radios available for free listening. The first goan radio on the net available at :http://www.live365.com/stations/61664 has been providing konkani songs for many years now. Recently I came across a website by Dr. Lourenco Noronha http://www.songs-from-goa.at/goa/ which has the oldest Goan traditional songs lyrics with notes, besides a few other sites where Lyrics of Konkani songs are available. It is hard to find these old songs either on cassettes or CD's. Even songs which we used to hear on the good Old Akashwani in the 60-70's are not available. The tiatrist themselves have not been able to save their songs, including our late Melody King Alfred Rose. It would be a good idea if goans holding the old records/cassettes convert them to CD/mp3 audio, so that we can preserve these songs. Dev borem korum Edward Verdes http://kantaram.blogspot.com/ - From: Valmiki Faleiro GOAN MUSIC By Valmiki Faleiro Among my many debts of gratitude, one I owe is to Goan music. To ‘Cantorists’ and lyricists of Konknni songs. To those who set the verses to music, and produced a repertoire very dear to a substantial segment of Goans. From old-world gramophone records, transistor radio and the first cinema, it was the music that took me to the songs. The songs then took me to the lyrics. That is how Konknni songs, among few other things like Konknni-speaking friends and the ever witty, wise, and often wacky, world of Konknni adages, improved my otherwise severely limited vocabulary of the mother tongue. To them all who scripted, scored and sang all those great Konknni songs, here is a humble salute.
[Goanet] Fw: The dangling sword
Letter To Editor, published in Herald, 27th August 2008 The dangling sword Reuben S, Chicalim The comments by the political leadership in Bihar show their insecurity at being identified as beggars. A simple statement, for once reflecting the feelings of the Goan people against the migrant menace in the state is now a political issue at the center. The Bihar Ministers have gone to the extent of threatening serious consequences in the coming session of Parliament. In the midst of this tirade, it is noteworthy to mention this quote The people of Bihar are self-respecting and earn their bread through hard work they are not beggars. The beggars in Goa are the natives of that state who the Government has failed to rehabilitate. This quote amply illustrates how the corrupt politicians of Goa have made us the laughing stock of the nation. The reality is that beggars are a nUisance to both locals and tourists. These non-Goans are usually found at strategic tourist dominated spots haranguing them for loose change. Prior to this migrant influx Goa was a haven free from slums and squalor. Now large concrete structures and makeshift slums are threatening the picturesque landscape of Goa. The increasing presence of migrants is apparent during rush hours in state transport buses. The Kadamba buses that ply on the routes between major towns in the state are full of migrants, probably because private bus owners don't allow them onboard. These people enter the buses in dozens and are rude and abusive to fellow passengers. Their presence is causing much apprehension and promotes the anti-outsider sentiment. A stroll through the recently concluded Saptah would have made the average Gomkar felt alienated. It is opined that migrants from different strata of society, now make up around 40 percent of the population in Goa. A casual glance at the political scenario in our Goa shows that we have no regional party of standing to protect our interests. The two major political parties in Goa are both branches of a national party. The ministers of these parties are more interested in following the commands from the central party leadership. The hopes and expectations pf the locals are given second class status.
[Goanet] Broadband services in Goa
Here is another view of Broadband service in Goa from someone who has discontinued the service. With Broadband service my access to the Internet was sporadic and subject to sudden disconnections. Often times I was unable to get linked to the Internet at all. I tried at various times of the day and night, and could not discern a pattern. I made several complaints at the Telephone Exchange in Porvorim which serves my home. At first they said they would change the line leading to my home. That did not help. They tried other things (supposedly), but it did not work. When I continued to complain, the person in charge of Broadband service said that the problem was the distance of my home from the Exchange. Apparently I was the furthermost subscriber from the Telephone exchange in an area where they cannot guarantee Broadband service. They said that at the most they could guarantee Broadband service upto 3.5 km (length of the telephone cable) from the Exchange.and I was beyond the limit and should not have been given a connection in the first place. Now they tell me, after 2 years of frustration If any one has any ideas of how to link up to the Internet, other than BSNL dial up service which is slow and unpredictable, I would appreciate your letting me know.
Re: [Goanet] From Siridao to Swindon (with fotos)
Dear Cornel, You'll find I've made exactly that same point in the last para. We wish Goans everywhere the very best. take care, selma --- On Wed, 8/27/08, CORNEL DACOSTA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: CORNEL DACOSTA [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Goanet] From Siridao to Swindon (with fotos) To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, August 27, 2008, 6:38 AM Selma Just a short response. Swindon is the fastest growing economic town/city in the whole of the EU. This is where the jobs are---hence the immigrants. Most immigrants anywhere want to make it economically and educationally however tough the initial conditions. The Goans are no exception. Many of your observations are interesting nevertheless even though I have rushed through the post for now. Cornel --- Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://goanvoice.org.uk/supplement/SwindonGoans.htm selma
Re: [Goanet] Learn Konkani
Try the Thomas Stevens Konknni Kendr, they have occasional course on this. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Stephens_Konkkni_Kendr You could also get some books that help you to learn Konkani. Dr Edward D'Lima's book on the subject is fairly simple to grapple with too. FN RAY HOWARD wrote: Hi, I will be in North Goa from December to March, is there anywhere I can go to learn Konkani? -- FN M: 9970157402 or 9822122436 P:+91-832-240-9490 (after 1pm) Skype: fredericknoronha Yahoochat: fredericknoronha http://fn.goa-india.org http://fredericknoronha.wordpress.com Email fred at bytesforall.org Res: 784 Saligao 403511 Goa India
[Goanet] Man convicted of child cruelty over religious ceremony
Man convicted of child cruelty over religious ceremony Wed Aug 27, 2008 4:01pm BST LONDON (Reuters) - A man has been convicted in Manchester of child cruelty for forcing two boys to flail themselves during a Muslim ceremony, prosecutors said on Wednesday. Syed Mustafa Zaidi, 44, of Eccles, had forced the boys to whip themselves with a wooden handle attached to a number of chains with curved blades at the ends during an annual Shia Muslim ceremony, police said. The boys, aged 13 and 15, were taken to hospital by their mother suffering from several deep wounds and on their backs and multiple slash wounds. Zaidi had used the Zangeer Zani flail on himself during the ceremony at a Manchester centre in January, before being stopped by other members of the Muslim community. He then forced the boys to flagellate themselves instead. Community members stepped in again to help the youngsters. Zaidi was found guilty of two counts of child cruelty at Manchester Crown Court on Wednesday. Carol Jackson, of Greater Manchester Crown Prosecution Service (CPS), said in a statement: The CPS wishes to make it clear that this prosecution was not an attack upon the practices or ceremonies of Shia Muslims. Indeed, the prosecution relied as part of its evidence upon the president of the local Shia Community Centre. Superintendent Nadeem Butt, from Greater Manchester Police said in a statement: This man not only abused the vulnerability of these children but also went against the wishes of his own community, as well as knowingly breaking the law. The sensitivities this case raises -- both legal and cultural -- are significant. We are aware of the community's concerns about how this case could be portrayed, and have been working closely with community leaders throughout the process. Sentencing will be on September 24. (Reporting by Avril Ormsby; Editing by Steve Addison) http://uk.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUKLR32940720080827 -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London.
Re: [Goanet] Flotsam and jetsam from India head to Goa
We hear from various posters that we remote controllers (those not resident in Goa, but live abroad), ought to do something constructive by moving back to Goa and doing something about the issues instead of mouthing off. I would love to come back to Goa, if someone will feed, clothe house me and my family. I will dedicate as much time as Rajan all the other posters but exactly where will all my blood sweat tears get me? Will be just another one who will cry moan, complain endlessly about the past politicians, current policians grubby business men bankers, government officials who take bribes or are threatened 'all those migrants' who are the main cause of our woes. Time is not a factor here, the migrants are in Goa to stay, they cannot leave unless the local goverment pay them to go back to where they came from, and keep away from Goa, the NIMBY factor strikes again. Migrants go anywhere, but NOT IN MY BACK YARD. I have said it before, act before its too late. Its now too late to be continually moaning about the already settled migrants the new migrants now, they are in Goa to stay! Nobody has the will to do anything, other than ensure they are a vote-bank, or cheap labour for some companies, you can of course complain about it, more are arriving every day, by train bus, bull-cart leaving their mark wherever they travel. On Goanet, and by emails to various departments, I have asked, suggested, commented, even close to begging some of the posters on this forum to stand up and be counted, no matter where you are, you DONT have to be in Goa only to help Goa, anyone of any colour, creed or social rank can help, just by writing to the MLA's, emailing and bringing to attention of the National Government of India departments there, with information on mis-deeds corruption, local goverment are not doing anything to help the migrants with housing or work, they are sleeping on the pavements, on other bona-fide land belonging to other people. You can stand talk for hours on podiums in conferences, this is water off a duck's back, it does nothing but fire up the listeners, then protests gather momentum with verbal abuse, physical violence. Not at all constructive. Its far too late now to do anything at all about the inward migration, the Indians from ALL the other States have a legal right to come to Goa, or Goans to go to their State, no matter about this, just ensure that those who do come, have an ADDRESS they are staying at, no matter if its a hostel for 10 holding 40, or a house for 4 holding 20, as long as they are have an address. IF no address, then its the local police the local authority with the courts help (all to be uncorrupted..) who are the responsible for moving on any illegal settlers. Sounds easy, but it's not, so where is the blame for this? The remote controllers abroad? The residents of Goa who are legally there? Who will back you or help you? Your neighbours are the first point of call those physcially close to you, and for Rajan who has supplied us with many thousands of photos, for JoeGoaUK, for all who are currently IN Goa to contact the person next door get some groupings together, then people like Rajan who are good at talking the talk, to walk the walk. We remote controllers will do our bit, by badgering more and more, after all we cant physically be there, its frustrating for us, so please no more pilloring those who are trying to help, its dividing us, again. Unite and march forward to your destiny, its in your hands, not mine or other remote controllers in far away lands, get rid of the corruption first, not the migrants, they are legally there, the corrupt politicians are not, they fooled everyone who voted for them. And please, dont harrass those who are abroad, they have the same feeling for Goa, as they did when they lived there, they are just sad to hear, how badly things are going, but are powerless to help, so sometimes by scratching the surface they get spat upon, not nice. John Monteiro Rajan P. Parrikar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Goa has become a magnet for dregs from India and beyond. We have ceded control of our homeland to guttersnipes and criminal elements from all over. - Regards John Monteiro
Re: [Goanet] Is India a poor country
It is quite scandalous if true. Corruption is at a high level, no wonder the lower levels are on the take as well. Not too sure the fact Mrs Gandhi was murdered by Indian hands is 'quite as simple' as that though. After rmuch political social unrest, I remember the many disasterous decisions made by Mrs Gandhi, she was almost paranoid at the end, she was responsible for many atrocities commited against her own people, from civilians being brutalised to marshal law curfew inforced due to all sorts of financial mismanagement her wheeling dealing to stay in power, Mrs Gandhi as you know sent in troops into the Sikh's holy shrine, at The Golden Temple at Amritza, this violated their religion their charity. Mrs Gandhi was very shrewd, albeit slightly off the wall in her last few months, a canny a politician but as she got ingrossed in the day to day changes of it all, she became a bit lethargic as far as her position was concerned , she was so sure of herself, she thought she was the benefactor of all things Indian side-stepped advice from her political colleagues friends abroad. She got herself tangled up with heriditary hierachy, for her it was as a natural progress to pass on the baton from father to daughter, the one that held the baton of Prime Minister was all consuming her. In the end, she paid the ultimate price, her Sikh bodyguard, she called him Uncle... eventually was the man to do the dastardly deed, the Brutus to her Julius Caesar it had that sort of a ring to it. Mrs Gandhi was well aware of what she was doing the message she was giving to the Sikh community, as well as to India in general, (the same bell tolled to yet another member of her family, much as her second son, and heir to the Congress Party another Prime Minister, Rajiv) Rajiv did something very similar, but to the other end of the country, with sending soldiers assisting the Sri Lankan government in attempting to disrupt the Tamils fight with the Singhalese government for recognition that they exist, let alone are residents, in the north of the island, for generations. The Sri Lankan government are not taking any notice of them, they can work, live have families, pay taxes run their part of the island, no problem but when you want equality, this is a no no, Pardon me if I vomit in public by giving a personal account of a friend of my family told us that when his son wanted to go to University in 1980's, he was told that as a Tamil, he would have to produce twice as many certificates passes from his school education. These two qualifications were to one Singhalese student's admission needs. It was fortunate he could supply this, so this was alright, since he could produce them, and he went to University, but his brother other friends were not admitted, though the Singhalese counterparts had exactly the same passes certificates, qualifications are not always qualifications, so inequality there then was alright, for the Sri Lankan government to suppress the Tamils in this way, there were a myriad of other ways also but too long to go into here. The Tamil Tigers (Eelam) were outraged by Rajiv's decision to send in Indian soldiers to dismantle what had taken several lifetimes to build, the messenger of death was in a poor woman, loaded with explosives on her back, she succeeding in killing him when she knelt to touch his feet blowing herself up in front of him. Sri Lankan Prime Minister Preemadassa was also murdered in a similar way, A male cyclist came at him, on a bicycle did the same to him. So the Tamils the Sikhs, in fact the majority of Indians disliked both resorted to this final act in sheer desperation. You dont kill simply because you disagree with someone, they must have done something unforgiveable to you to take such action. In Goa we see hear similar things happening, but discourse runs high in many States, Orissa has been in the headlines, this has brought not only State to State conflict but has taken religion as a way of getting revenge on fellow Indians. Its all absurd, the death of a nun, burned alive, the death of a Catholic priest beaten to death, the torture humiliation of another human being, all in the name of God? Oh give us all strength to withstand these atrocities, they are way off course, the main culprit is MONEY.. that is where it all started, and where it will all end. Goa is having issues with MONEY also, so much of it being purged from the man in the street, and nowhere is anything better being done in the name of humanity, its GREED. Pure utter greed that has got Goa in this mess, the man woman who votes for these politicians can only say, well I succeeded in allowing this man or this woman to represent us in the Indian Parliament, but instead has taken all our money gold into off-shore accounts, while driving in luxury cars
[Goanet] Kazur
To Goanet - The remarkable pre-historic art gallery at Usgaimol - now under threat from the criminal mining activity nearby - in Sanguem taluka is fairly well-known. Not as well known are the petroglyphs inscribed on a rock in a field a few miles away in the tiny village of Kazur in Quepem taluka. http://www.parrikar.org/images/samples/kazur-1.jpg http://www.parrikar.org/images/samples/kazur-2.jpg In the same field is an ancient open-air theatre where elders of the village meet (even today) to deliberate on issues and problems. This is what we know as the gram sabha, the ancient institution our builders and politicos want to emasculate to further their nefarious designs. http://www.parrikar.org/images/samples/kazur-3.jpg In these parts of Goa one finds old sculptures, often in the open, of ancient warrior-Gods knowns as Paik devas. The photograph below depicts Ghode Paik (horse-riding Paiks) in the hut by the open-air theatre - http://www.parrikar.org/images/samples/kazur-4.jpg Warm regards, r
Re: [Goanet] Kazur
--- On Wed, 8/27/08, Rajan P. Parrikar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The remarkable pre-historic art gallery at Usgaimol - now under threat from the criminal mining activity nearby - in Sanguem taluka is fairly well-known. This is an outrage! Can we file a legal petition to ban all mining activity in this area? Would a signature campaign to declare this area a national heritage site through the Archeological Survey of India work? Nandakumar and Prajal, if you read this, please share your thoughts on this issue. Cheers, Santosh
[Goanet] Goanet Reader: From Siridao to Swindon
From Siridao to Swindon By Selma Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED] Driving through Swindon, I don't get the impression of a factory town. It is lush green with swathes of agricultural land, the streets lined with houses not given to prosperity but neither to the grime associated with industrial hubs. I would find out later that simmering behind the façade of tranquility lies the squalid reality of racism, chicken-factory jobs and over-crowded living quarters. For now, I was making my way to Agnelo De Mello's house, wanting to find out what had brought the diaspora Goan soul to Swindon. Agnelo, ex-president of the Goan Swindon Association, sits in his living room wearing an Islander shirt and wide grin. Musical instruments propped against the wall are a tell-tale sign that music flows freely in his house. He writes rap music and plays in a band. Much like the Biblical patriarch Abraham, Agnelo says he is the genesis of the growing Goan tribe in Swindon. He moved here from the Gulf some twenty years ago. He knew the then manager of the Rover assembly plant and was instrumental in getting jobs for Goans. From this humble seedling, a mighty tree has grown. As per the 2001 UK Census, Swindon had a population of 180,061 of which 1.3% were Indian. Senior Catholic priest, Monsignor Twomey estimates the influx of Goans in recent years to be in the region of 8,000. Although this figure is hard to verify, Swindon has become a substantial concentration of Goans in disapora. The Monsignor notes that his largely Irish Catholic parish has now been replaced by Goans. A large percentage of them are from Siridao, Goa Velha and Agassim. Portugal affords Goans, right to Portuguese nationality. By virtue of the EU's free movement of labour as per the Treaty of Rome, Goans have access to UK labour markets. I wondered if they had found the fabled pot of gold at the end of the multi-coloured immigration rainbow? Swindon is an industrial estate, home to companies such as Honda, BMW and Faccenda, one of UK's largest chicken processing plants. It is in factories such as these that Goans find employment. Anyone who has visited a chicken processing unit will vouch that the stench of raw chicken is unbearable and industrial accidents are not unheard off. The Wiltshire paper reported: In March 2002, Faccenda was fined £14,000 by Chippenham Magistrates Court when it pleaded guilty to failing in its duty to protect the health and safety of its staff, after a teenage worker lost two fingers in a chicken-skinning machine. The same year, Faccenda removed the toilet seats in the men's toilets. The staff alleged this was to cut short the amount of time spent in the restrooms. Men had to either squat on the toilets or sit on a rim encrusted by faeces and urine. The supervisory mindsets are military-like. Although Goans pride themselves on their ability to converse in English, in a country like the UK, many find their ability to communicate deficient and, they are averse to re-training. Their lives are condemned to low-skilled jobs. Life at the bottom of the industrial food-chain, however, is competitive. Amongst native Swindonians, there is a feeling that Asians are taking over their jobs. In 2004, rocks were hurled at a coach carrying Goan workers from Faccenda factory. Later in the year, coaches used to bus ethnic workers were vandalised. Faccenda is set to close as of September 2008. Visiting the blog world, I find that some are applauding the closure of Faccenda, seen as an employer of minorities. A source alleges that Goans have had to bribe Recruitment agents with laptops and paid vacation trips, to secure employment. I'm reminded of a Mafia-type protection racket. For all this they are paid a pittance. I called up Storm Recruitment agency, which supplies industrial labour and at one time supplied Faccenda, to find out just how much I would earn if I was willing to stuff chicken-wings into plastic bags. Between £5.52 and £6.00 per hour, which in the UK barely puts a roof over one's head. Goans predominantly live in the town center along Manchester Road, Elmina Road and Broad Street. Living conditions are cramped. Sitting rooms have been converted into bedrooms and rented out at £450 per month. It is common for two or even three households to be living in a house meant for a single family and sharing one bathroom under the most unhygienic of conditions. Karen Leakey, an active community leader who is perhaps more vehemently vocal than most about trash and multiple occupancy homes, made this comment in a Swindon newspaper, We have a large Goan population around here with big families all living in one house - as is their culture, thereby generating large amounts of garbage. Although her point was about the need to improve garbage collection, not all residents of Swindon are sympathetic. One comment was, maybe it is their culture but it is not ours and if it creates a health issue such overcrowding has to stop. What then is the
Re: [Goanet] Miracles (George Pinto)
Of late, George has developed a knack for holding the bull by the tail. To understand miracles, you must also understand non-miracles. The classic example of a non-miracle was the Goan Convention. Got it? Or check with the dog-master who, as an atheist, probably believes in non-miracles. eugene
[Goanet] Dear Sandeep Heble: Don't mingle in an area where you know nothing.
Shravan entry to play National B Chess tournament likely to be rejected without any reason. http://mail.google.com/mail/?shva=1#inbox/11bfc02a867584bc Dear Sandeep, A. Barve's fears are without any rhyme or reason. AICF reserves the right to accept or reject such entries without assigning any reason. My fear are based this and past track record of AICF. B. 1. National B is considered to be a Money spinning event for any Association. 2. Check the past record of entry fee paid by local players for National B event... 3. Goan were presuming entry fee of Rs.3000/- only as was the case for National U-7 held in 2006. 4. In the last National B event held at Dindigul, a remote city of TN. No of entries were 300+. 5. We were expecting 500+ entries. As there are other technical reason for increase in number of entries. 6. Unrated Goan player will have to pay Rs.1000/- more then the prevailing practice. Dear Sandeep, you know the omissions and commissions of Goa State Chess Association official website launched on March 21, 2008 (I was suspended from March 27) at the hands of CM Shri Digamber Kamat in presence of only two (out of total 19) Executive Member One President himself Second Shri Tanay Kaisary, others only one. total 3. Please explain these omissions and commissions to goanetters along with all that you feel good of Mr. Sameer Salgaocar I am only concern of welfare of CHESS. It is almost eight months from the issue of Coaching Program circular and another very very bad circular for CHESS. AICF has Rs.90 lac surplus. There are over 400 eligible chess playing children as per coaching program circular. When is AICF going to give coaching facilities to these children? Has AICF made any special coaching program for those 50 children like IVANA and BHAKTI and RIYA who are going to represent India at World Youth meet? AICF reserves the right to accept or reject such entries without assigning any reason. Why prospectus of National B should include above mentioned sentence? Discuss these. Why are you diverting attention to non issue? Dear Sandeep, you know that I am now busy with The Right Move II-Career in Sports don't trouble me with non issue. I will answer only main issue. If required. Shrikant Vinayak Barve Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now, on http://help.yahoo.com/l/in/yahoo/mail/yahoomail/tools/tools-08.html/
[Goanet] RTI Application
Floriano C. Lobo 383A Pirazona Maoira Bardez Goa - 403 507 - Tel: (Res): (0832) 2470223 (M): 9890470896 Attached Rs. 10/- Court Fee. August 27, 2008 To, The Public Information Officer, Directorate of Accounts, Government of Goa, Fazenda Building, Behind Old Secretariat, Panjim - Goa. Sir, Subject: Request for information under Section 6 of the RTI Act, 2005. Kindly furnish the account of the expenditures incurred by the Government of Goa on the following heads year-wise for the financial year from 2000- 2001 to 2007-2008. By the Raj Bhavan/Governor of Goa on:- Flights in and out of Goa. Entertainment over official visits of Foreign dignitaries. Entertainment over official visits of Indian dignitaries. Entertainment of Ministers and MLAs of the Government of Goa. Salary of the Governor with perquisits. Salaries of staff members. Food and beverages (including hard liquor) Bill of the Raj Bhavan. Maintenance of the estate and the Raj Bhavan complex. Entertainment of the Governor and the staff members. Maintainance of family members of the Governor of Goa. By the Government of Goa on:- Flights in and out of Goa and within India by Ministers and MLAs. Flights in and out of Goa and outside India by Ministers and MLAs. Flights in and out of Goa and within India by Department heads and government staff. Flights in and out of Goa and outside India by Department heads and government staff. Entertainment of Ministers and MLAs in Goa. Entertainment of Ministers and MLAs outside Goa and within India Entertainment of Ministers and MLAs in foreign countries. Petrol bill of Ministers and MLAs. Telephone bill of Ministers and MLAs Salaries of Ministers and MLAs. Salaries of Government staff. Purchase bill of Office and other equipment, including motor vehicles etc. Amount disbursed on Mediclaim. Amount disbursed on Service/maintenance and building contracts. Expense account to run the Medical College Hospital including medicines, equipment, maintenance of buildings equipment, salaries, entertainment etc. Thanking you, Yours faithfully, Sd/-
[Goanet] Konkani music
Dear all, Here are some links I came across, where you will find some good Konkani music http://www.hummaa.com/artist/artistdashboard.php?aid=19304 http://www.esnips.com/doc/bccf2d37-5b36-49c0-a1f9-f73c19f6c53f/Konkani http://konkanimusic.blogspot.com cheers
[Goanet] woman slaps GMC doctor --- hats off to Sonia Mhambre
Hats off to Sonia Mhambre for slapping the doctor. We all know the state of GMC, when even doctors dont admit their kith and kin in govt. hospitals. It is a shame that Sonia was arrested. Now, will we ever get a third-party unbiansed inquiry into whether the deceased was treated properly? Or will it be that the prosecutor, and the accused would be one and the same? Time has perhaps come in Goa to break the laws, if they dont fall in line with your conscience and even pay the penalty for the same. Hats off again to this Goan woman! regards, Samir woman slaps GMC doctor HERALD REPORTER PANJIM, AUG 26 — A junior resident doctor at the Goa Medical College and Hospital at Bambolim had to face the ire of a woman to whom he revealed the news of her mother’s death on Tuesday afternoon. The woman was placed under arrest by the Agassaim police. Dr George was at the receiving end as soon as he came out of the ICCU and disclosed to Sonia Mhambre, 26, her mother Jyoti Mhambre, 60, had expired. According to the police, emotions ran high after the doctor broke the news and Sonia slapped the doctor on his face. Medical Superintendent Rajan Kunkolienkar said the deceased had a sugar problem and she was a chronic patient. She was admitted earlier too. This time she was admitted on August 10 and her health was bad. The family was informed about the same,” he stated. Police said the woman security at the hospital had to restrain the woman after which they went and arrested her. She was booked under Sections 332, 504 of IPC for assaulting a government servant and using filthy language. According to Kunkolienkar as far as he could recollect this was the second such incident at GMC wherein a doctor was assaulted. The first incident, he said, had happened late in the evening some six-seven years back in the medicine ward
[Goanet] Goa news for August 28, 2008
Goa News from Google News and Goanet.org Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories. *** Entertainment body to seek more powers from Centre - Hindu [11 hours ago] Panaji (PTI): The Entertainment Society of Goa (ESG) has sought more powers from the Centre to organise the International Film Festival of India. ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/9-0fd=Rurl=http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/009200808271750.htmcid=1240258447ei=X-O1SIreNoWMhQPz2JHzCgusg=AFQjCNEyBjC7KgE91E2wYi8ViXvCSlFMQQ *** Goa boils over Opposition leader\'s chamar utterance - Times of India [Aug 26, 2008] PANAJI: Goa Leader of Opposition Manohar Parrikar's utterance of the word chamar on the floor of the House referring to the Scheduled Caste (ST) community ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/8-0fd=Rurl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Goa/Goa_boils_over_Opposition_leaders_chamar_utterance/articleshow/3408570.cmscid=0ei=X-O1SIreNoWMhQPz2JHzCgusg=AFQjCNGt4NHGr40NRMNkytt0K6BOaXGqEQ *** Plea against Goa Minister for anti-Bihari remarks admitted - Zee News [6 hours ago] Patna, Aug 27: A local court on Wednesday admitted a petition against a Goa minister for his alleged anti-Bihari remarks that there will be more beggars in ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/7-0fd=Rurl=http://www.zeenews.com/articles.asp?aid=464893sid=REGcid=0ei=X-O1SIreNoWMhQPz2JHzCgusg=AFQjCNGjdsra3KEwXCOQgk0acGEha_j85w *** Protests in Goa over caste remark - Howrah News Service [4 hours ago] 27: Use of the caste word chamar by BJP former CM Manohar Parrikar in the Goa Assembly, sparked off protests from scheduled castes organisations on ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/6-0fd=Rurl=http://howrah.org/india_news/26297.htmlcid=0ei=X-O1SIreNoWMhQPz2JHzCgusg=AFQjCNERjeLpLOxZ-pcR4qLeQ-iwCJiy_Q *** GOA Signs Petroglyph MMO - Crispy Gamer [2 hours ago] True Games Interactive has signed an exclusive deal with GOA, Oranges Games Unit to publish, distribute and operate True Games upcoming online title from ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/5-0fd=Rurl=http://www.crispygamer.com/news/index.php/2008-08-27/goa-signs-petroglyph-mmo/cid=0ei=X-O1SIreNoWMhQPz2JHzCgusg=AFQjCNH8hABMJX43iCjD0zqj0hr_s-ujdw *** ED suspects huge Fema violations by Russians in Goa - Livemint [3 hours ago] Mumbai: The Enforcement Directorate, or ED, the agency responsible for investigating economic crime in India, has sought information from the Goa government ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/4-0fd=Rurl=http://www.livemint.com/2008/08/28004525/ED-suspects-huge-Fema-violatio.htmlcid=0ei=X-O1SIreNoWMhQPz2JHzCgusg=AFQjCNHk-z_RiKOYnBNt4sX2Pn6CDevhtg *** Goa celebrates Gokulashtami - Times of India [15 hours ago] From late Saturday night to Sunday evening, religious rituals marked Janmashtami all over Goa . Prayers were offered on Saturday night and dahi-handi, ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/3-0fd=Rurl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Goa/Goa_celebrates_Gokulashtami/articleshow/3404537.cmscid=0ei=X-O1SIreNoWMhQPz2JHzCgusg=AFQjCNG4ltTPdOunml49Q7iThGHjFnmw7Q *** Is the school complex plan a viable one for Goa? - Times of India [9 hours ago] The Goa government announced that it has acquired 1.12lakh sq m of land at Cujira for the proposed school complex. Schools from Panaji will be shifted to ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/2-0fd=Rurl=http://o3.indiatimes.com/mytimes/archive/2008/08/27/4937229.aspxcid=1240309620ei=X-O1SIreNoWMhQPz2JHzCgusg=AFQjCNFl-MI6HfMJgbdNx1J_yvOd_89LoQ *** Go Goa - only if you are upmarket and family - Reuters India [10 hours ago] Goa, long a magnet for partying hippies, penurious college students and planeloads of foreign pensioners, now wants only upmarket and responsible family ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/1-0fd=Rurl=http://blogs.reuters.com/india/2008/08/26/go-goa-only-if-you-are-upmarket-and-family/cid=0ei=X-O1SIreNoWMhQPz2JHzCgusg=AFQjCNElB71Mv5T7vFgr0kaBYl9zJuOoHA *** True Games Interactive Signs Exclusive Deal with European ... - MarketWatch [6 hours ago] GOA will exclusively publish, distribute and operate True Games's upcoming online title from Petroglyph Studios. In April of this year,True Games announced ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/0-0fd=Rurl=http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/true-games-interactive-signs-exclusive/story.aspx?guid=%7BEA43D1D3-663A-429F-B99E-769BE6E3F55A%7Ddist=hpprcid=1240402931ei=X-O1SIreNoWMhQPz2JHzCgusg=AFQjCNGQU_UfEHrjCptbIzF9h1I8Cd9MZQ Compiled by Goanet News Service http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php
Re: [Goanet] Scientific literacy
From: Santosh Helekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- On Mon, 8/25/08, Fr. Ivo C da Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When it is already closed mind to the supernatural, even scientific evidence will not convince. Intellectual probity is necessary. Scientific myopia will close the eyes and not allow to see the colours because the person is totally blind... The main reason why people like me respond in public forums to propagation of ignorance about science in the name of faith, such as that revealed in the above quote, is because we are interested in popularizing science and increasing the level of scientific literacy in our society. These are important social concerns for us. ***I am with you totally, Dr.Santosh, for popularizing science and increasing the level of scientific literacy in our society. You are needed in Goa for enlightening the people against superstitions and ignorance (though there is a high level of literacy among us). Though I am not a graduate in natural sciences, yet I read and write on science, not only with interest, but also and mainly in view of my theological formation. Science comes into Theological Anthropology. Evolution does not contradict Creation. I taught also social sciences with chapters on heredity, Mendel's laws, evolution, genetic engineering, population. It is wrong for you to say that I have been propagating ignorance about science in the name of faith. On the contrary, I am giving Science its due. I am keeping it in its place, namely that of discovering explanations for the natural phenomena. But what I cannot agree is that we deny the supra-natural in the name of Science, because the 'super-natural by definition transcends the natural phenomena and is object of Theology, whereas empirical sciences deal with natural phenomena. That is why I have been writing in this Forum, as well as in several others, like www.wordpress.com, in different languages. There is no contradiction between Science and Bible. The above quote from Fr. Ivo reveals a fundamental lack of understanding about science and its purpose, and what is meant by scientific evidence. ***Not at all. I understand it perfectly well. As I have said repeatedly, science is simply a quest to seek natural explanations. ***Agreed from the very outset. Scientific evidence can never be used to support the supernatural. ***In the case of miracles, there will not be scientific evidence, as in the case of other natural phenomena. But there is an evidence of human witness, of physical phenomena that occurred, for example in Eucharistic miracles. Unless these phenomena occur, we cannot speak of a miracle. All self-respecting scientists and science teachers recognize this indisputable fact and teach it to their students. ***Nothing wrong with it. Science has to progress among us and in the world. Your sincere dedication and total commitment to Science is to be highly praised. I never doubted it, even in my anger... I stated that your postings have raised the scientific level of the Forum. Here is a pertinent quote from the U.S. National Academy of Sciences, one of the world's most respected scientific organizations, in this regard: Science is a way of knowing about the natural world. It is limited to explaining the natural world through natural causes. Science can say nothing about the supernatural. ***Absolutely right. That is what I have been repeating from the very beginning: Science neither proves nor disproves the existence of God. But in the name of Science we cannot deny the existence of God and the miracles. Miracles are not violations of nature, as David Hume would say, they transcend the nature. When I say that the white host has been changed miraculously into flesh and blood, there is human witness. There are more than 126 Eucharistic miracles throughout the world. Are all of them bogus? Science can say that it is human flesh and blood, but will not say that it is the Body and Blood of Christ. It is the theologian who will say it with roots in the words of Jesus himself. The physician will say that this healing is extraordinary, it cannot be explained medically. Placebo effect and spontaneous remissions are to be excluded, if we wish to speak of miracles in the strict sense. It is difficult. But miracle will be unique event. The theologian will speak of God's intervention, of supernatural. Christianity is based solely on God's intervention in human history. To deny God's action in history is to deny Christianity. To deny the Resurrection of Jesus is to reject Christianity. Our faith in Resurrection is not merely human belief. It is historical, well documented, Spirit-led. People died to give witness to it. Nobody would die for a lie. There is human witnessing to all these facts. The enemies of Jesus never denied miracles of Jesus. Science cannot explain them, but also cannot outright deny the historical events connected with them. Science has not proved through all tests that the Shroud of
Re: [Goanet] Miracles
From: George Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Is the opposite true? If someone dies in an accident, there is no miracle, hence no God? Given there are many deaths in car accidents, should we conclude God does not exist just as some conclude God exists if they survive the accident? ***Good question! It is always difficult to speak about the events of our life. We experience the powerful hand of God both in life and in death. Redemptive suffering is also a gift from God. Regards. Fr.Ivo
Re: [Goanet] Miracles
Are you saying that God MUST perform miracles? And if he doesn't, he is not God? I did not conclude that since I survived, God exists. I beleived in his existence much before the incidents I recalled happened. I merely and humbly acknowledged his intervention in my life, for reasons best known to him. Why he does not intervene in other situations is a question you best pose to him. Perhaps he may send you an answer. Also ask that it will it will be a kind one. Roland. On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 2:51 AM, George Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is the opposite true? If someone dies in an accident, there is no miracle, hence no God? Given there are many deaths in car accidents, should we conclude God does not exist just as some conclude God exists if they survive the accident?
Re: [Goanet] Dr. Jose and Fr. Ivo (was Lourdes miracles)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 00:00:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Santosh Helekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] As far as I know, there could be many reasons. For example, people with AIDS might get Kaposi's sarcoma from a Herpes virus. Mario adds: Hard to tell, I'm sure. The example I used was my own, a malignant fibrous histiocytoma discovered in 2000, without any family history, AIDS or Herpes, and in a location that had not experienced any trauma either:-)) Santosh wrote: As far as I know, one reason might stem from the fact that environmental factors are known to play a role in the expression of left-handedness. Mario adds: Also hard to tell, I'm sure, since the parents did not influence this evolution in any way. I am guessing that Dr. Jose's penchant for rude and gibberish interventions in subjects he knows nothing about may also stem from environmental factors:-)) I have been told that several medical treatments are based on observed correlations that do not have any scientific rationale as to cause and effect, to the point that no one is even looking for one anymore. Regarding subjects that Dr. Jose does know something about, I am curious as to how he is going about looking for scientific explanations for the cures/recoveries he has observed for which there is no known medical explanation.
[Goanet] Are Goans going to let Biharis bully them?
To Goanet - Are Goa's leaders going to be silent witnesses to the ongoing intimidation and threats or are we going to tell them to get lost and not interfere in the internal affairs of Goa? This is priceless - Biharis lecturing others on the spirit of the constitution. See - http://www.zeenews.com/articles.asp?aid=464893sid=REG A local court on Wednesday admitted a petition against a Goa minister for his alleged anti-Bihari remarks that there will be more beggars in the coastal state if trains linking it to Patna were introduced, which had triggered an outrage in Bihar...Denouncing as unwarranted the remarks by Naik, Bihar Chief Minister Nitish Kumar had demanded an unconditional apology from him. r
[Goanet] Dr. Leo Rebello as American Presidential Candidate:-))
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:05:26 +0530 From: Dr. Leo Rebello [EMAIL PROTECTED] If an Italian Sonia Gandhi can aspire to become the Prime Minister of India, why not Dr. Leo Rebello as the President of USA, ask his American friends who have created the following campaign for him. Mario responds: At the risk of shining a light on Dr. Leo and his allegedly American friends, one has to know something about the USA to run for US president:-)) Dr. Leo wrote: Click on the following and see for yourself. http://www.inews3.com/play.php?first=Dr Leolast=Rebello If you still do not believe, rub your eyes thrice, and see it for the second time and vote for Dr. Leo Rebello as the Next President of USA.:) Mario responds: I rubbed my eyes and took some little pink pills Dr. Leo sent me, and nothing made any difference:-)) After looking at Dr. Leo's link take a look at this one and see if you can see any differences:-)) http://www.news3online.com/index.php?code=41T1v81o143G35dsmeAQ The biggest problem for Dr. Leo Rebello's run for US president is that there is no mention of any Dr. Leo Rebello in Dr. Leo's phony news clip:-))
Re: [Goanet] Miracles
--- On Wed, 8/27/08, Fr. Ivo C da Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Science tells us that something is 'extraordinary', Science does no such thing. It only motivates us to discover the natural explanation, and provides us with time-tested powerful tools to do so. Cheers, Santosh
[Goanet] Protests in Goa over caste remark
Protests in Goa over caste remark Font size: Decrease font Enlarge font ASIANAGE 27 August, 2008 04:25:21 BY PAMELA D'MELLO PANAJI Aug. 27: Use of the caste word chamar by BJP former CM Manohar Parrikar in the Goa Assembly, sparked off protests from scheduled castes' organisations on Wednesday. A scheduled caste federation led a protest march on Wednesday to the Goa Assembly, demanding retraction of the word. If Mr Parrikar can use the word, then people in the villages will start calling us by our caste names, said the president of the federation. *** http://howrah.org/india_news/26297.html COMMENT: My Dear Rajan Parrikar, Chari and Bhandarenot to mention all our Dotors that signed in favour of Shri Parrikar. Your man has the propensity to put his foot in it, literally. I am available to offer guidance at 80,000 RPS per month - just enought to keep me in beer. -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London.
Re: [Goanet] FW: Mopa must avoid this fate
--- Philip Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ICAO itself admitted that two airports were NOT a purely economic decision. The main political problem is not of any land scam but Naval control of Dabolim and associated constraints to civilian traffic there. Plus the commercial interest of any big bang airport builder at Mopa. --- If Dabolim is not going to be viable in the long run due to military constraints, then why even bother continue to operate it in the long term, unless it is meant to serve the vested economic interests of the people in Dabolim? By parroting the Government's line of having two airports, you, like the government seem to be pandering to the conflicting interests of both the parties. How can a decision based on short term political expediency be considered to be in Goa's best interests? In the west it is sometimes called a commuter airport. In the aviation industry sometimes there are international regional airports in small countries. I would favour the former (with a vision and the provision to grow over time into something bigger), although at Mopa there may be scope for international exports of perishable products. -- Can you provide us with the daily average number of commuter landings and takeoffs in Goa to justify this extravagance? I highly doubt that there is enough traffic to make this a profitable operation for the state. Marlon
[Goanet] From Siridao to Swindon (Swindoncars)
Selma wrote in Goan Voice: Much like the Biblical patriarch Abraham, Agnelo says he is the genesis of the growing Goan tribe in Swindon. He moved here from the Gulf some twenty years ago. He knew the then manager of the Rover assembly plant and was instrumental in getting jobs for Goans. From this humble seedling, a mighty tree has grown. --- Reply: Southall story repeated in Swindon. == Selma wrote: A source alleges that Goans have had to bribe Recruitment agents with laptops and paid vacation trips, to secure employment. Reply: These people do not have to bribe, they choose to do so, this way they bring the quality of britishness down to Indian-ness. I know of one gentleman who recently has come from Dubai to settle in UK. He could have very well settled anywhere in UK. He chose Swindon, and then complains the livng and working conditions in the factory are bad. Yet, this same person boasted (before coming to UK) that he had enough Dubai money to buy two houses in UK and a brand new car. ED. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet] Miracles
--- On Wed, 8/27/08, Fr. Ivo C da Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ***As I am given to understand, the Medical Bureau does all this enquiry and much more... What else could they do in these cases? They could stop pretending that they are conducting scientific studies, and limit themselves to practicing their faith. If that is not enough, and they want some kind of approval from the scientific community as a whole, they could try to publish whatever documents they have generated at their committee meetings in a high profile mainstream peer-reviewed scientific journal, so their work can be critically examined by all scientists and experts in an unbiased and dispassionate manner. That is, if it is not rejected by the peer reviewers first. Cheers, Santosh
Re: [Goanet] woman slaps GMC doctor --- hats off to Sonia Mhambre
PANJIM, AUG 26 — A junior resident doctor at the Goa Medical College and Hospital at Bambolim had to face the ire of a woman to whom he revealed the news of her mother's death on Tuesday afternoon.(Herald) Samir Kelekar wrote: 1: Hats off to Sonia Mhambre for slapping the doctor. 2: It is a shame that Sonia was arrested. jc's comment: Besides the shameful state of GMC, The other shame here is Samir Kelekar's post. As far as I am concerned, Sonia Mhambre has committed (based on the report) Assault and Battery against the young doctor. I trust that the courts will provide her with the sentence she deserves. BTW: I am concerned that a junior doctor was given the responsibility of delivering the sad news to Ms. Mhambre. jc
Re: [Goanet] woman slaps GMC doctor --- hats off to Sonia Mhambre
Sameer, I don't see the problem here. The facts as you revealed are: 1) the woman's mother was admitted to the ICU 2) the resident advised the daughter that the mother died as a result of complications. 3) the mother slapped the doctor on getting the news. So far the police have been right in arresting the daughter. If it can be proved that there was malpractice and/or negligence, the doctor should be disciplined appropriately with suspension of his medical licence. That will be enough to ruin his career. Roland. On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 2:09 PM, Samir Kelekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hats off to Sonia Mhambre for slapping the doctor. We all know the state of GMC, when even doctors dont admit their kith and kin in govt. hospitals. It is a shame that Sonia was arrested. Time has perhaps come in Goa to break the laws, if they dont fall in line with your conscience and even pay the penalty for the same.
[Goanet] In Goa this weekend
I am in Goa this weekend. If anyone wants to discuss what we small time people can do for Pale elections or any other issue, please touch base. My number is (0) 98450-44403 (Bangalore mobile). regards, Samir
Re: [Goanet] Miracles
From: Roland Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fr. Ivo writes of faith and miracles and there are pseudo-scientists and some men of learning on this forum who think that their education qualifies them to deny God and his existence. They deny that miracles happen, not knowing what really is a miracle. They probably have had many miracles in their own lives, but instead of acknowledging divine providence, they think some quality of their human existence has been responsible for it. ***Nobody is bound to accept miracles. Let them not impose their scientific views on others. We do believe in God and have to problem to accept God's providential power, which may be expressed by miracles or not. Our Faith is not based on miracles, but it is confirmed by them. each one of us can have these experiences. We have the right to tell them to others. Regards. Fr.Ivo
[Goanet] Is India a poor country
JOHN MONTEIRO(JM) wrote: Not too sure the fact Mrs Gandhi was murdered by Indian hands is 'quite as simple' as that though. After rmuch political social unrest, I remember the many disasterous decisions made by Mrs Gandhi, Comment: Could you kindly enumerate the 'many disastrous decisions' for our information please? JM: she was almost paranoid at the end, she was responsible for many atrocities commited against her own people,from civilians being brutalised to marshal law curfew inforced due to all sorts of financial mismanagement her wheeling dealing to stay in power, Comment: Could you kindly enlighten us on the 'many atrocities' committed on her own people? Also what kind of 'financial mismanagement' was committed? JM: Mrs Gandhi as you know sent in troops into the Sikh's holy shrine, at The Golden Temple at Amritsar, this violated their religion their charity. Comment: Are you aware of the background to this? Are you aware what kind of activities were being carried out from the holy shrine? What was the alternative to this according to you? JM: Mrs Gandhi was very shrewd, albeit slightly off the wall in her last few months, a canny a politician but as she got ingrossed in the day to day changes of it all, she became a bit lethargic as far as her position was concerned , she was so sure of herself, she thought she was the benefactor of all things Indian side-stepped advice from her political colleagues friends abroad. Comment: Could you kindly quote the publication from which you picked up the following phrases 'slightly off the wall in her last few months', 'she became a bit lethargic', 'side stepped advice'? Or were you her official biographer with close access to her to observe all this behaviour? JM: She got herself tangled up with heriditary hierachy, for her it was as a natural progress to pass on the baton from father to daughter, the one that held the baton of Prime Minister was all consuming her. Comment: It is news to me that she handed over the baton of PM to her son. So far as I know, after she was assassinated, the Congress Party took a decision to instal Rajiv Gandhi as PM promptu before anyone else could throw his hat into the ring. Though it is a fact the Indira did not trust anyone outside her immediate family. Rajiv was a greenhorn when the prime ministership was thrust upon him. He did not aspire for it and was a reluctant candidate. JM: In the end, she paid the ultimate price, her Sikh bodyguard, she called him Uncle... eventually was the man to do the dastardly deed, the Brutus to her Julius Caesar it had that sort of a ring to it. Comment: Could you kindly quote the book from where you picked up the words that she called her bodyguard 'Uncle'.Your analogy to Caesar and Brutus is also off the mark as the bodyguard was not among her trusted confidants nor was part of her trusted circle of friends or advisors. JM: Mrs Gandhi was well aware of what she was doing the message she was giving to the Sikh community, as well as to India in general, Comment: Please enlighten us what message she was giving to the sikh community. We are keen to know. JM: Rajiv did something very similar, but to the other end of the country, with sending soldiers assisting the Sri Lankan government in attempting to disrupt the Tamils fight with the Singhalese government for recognition that they exist, let alone are residents, in the north of the island, for generations. Comment: What is the similarity between curbing sikh militancy and assisting in bringing peace to a troubled island? Can you kindly enlighten us on your knowledge of the Tamil problem in Sri Lanka and the activities and track record of the LTTE? JM: The Tamil Tigers (Eelam) were outraged by Rajiv's decision to send in Indian soldiers to dismantle what had taken several lifetimes to build, Comment: Are you aware that the government of India was responsible for supporting(financially,logistically and supplying weapons) and building up the Tamil resistance groups in Sri Lanka and that without India's support they would have been liquidated long back. The LTTE which is nothing short of a mafia liquidated all rival tamil groups by violent means, forced children to become suicide bombers and generally have displayed fascist tendencies in all their operations. JM: The messenger of death was in a poor woman, loaded with explosives on her back, she succeeding in killing him when she knelt to touch his feet blowing herself up in front of him. Comment: So you feel that the assassin of a former PM was an act of bravery, do you?You sympathise with the assassin calling her a 'poor woman'. Did you ever pause to reflect that this dastardly deed put Inda back by over 20 years? Rajiv Gandhi for all his faults and mistakes was a progressive person with a modern mind. The great telecom and IT revolution that the whole world is taking about today was inspired by him. After his death we
[Goanet] Church in India condemns the murder of VHP Leader and the ensuing violence in Orissa
Church in India condemns the murder of VHP Leader and the ensuing violence in Orissa The Catholic Church in India has expressed deep regret on the recent attack of the Ashram near Turnudibandh in Kandhamal District of Orissa, in which VHP leader, Swami Lakshmananda Saraswati and five others were killed. The President of the Catholic Bishops' Conference of India (CBCI), Cardinal Varkey Vithayathil, has denounced the attacks in the following words: We condemn the act of violence which claimed the lives of Swami Lakshmananda Saraswati and some others at his Ashram. We are sad that a respected leader has allegedly been a victim of organised violence by the Maoists. Equally deplorable is the act of vandalism and arson on the Christian institutions in Kandhamal District indulged in by some misguided and unruly elements. We appeal to the people of Orissa to maintain calm at this hour of crisis and bring the tense situation to normal at the earliest so that people and institutions are protected and preserved. We also appeal to the State and Central Governments to take adequate measures to contain violence and to restore peace in the disturbed area. The Archbishop of Goa, Most Rev. Filipe Neri Ferrao, echoes the feelings voiced by the Conference of the Bishops and expresses solidarity with the victims of the several attacks. He appeals for prayers that peace may soon be restored in Orissa and that all may work hand in hand to create an environment of mutual trust and respect for the life and dignity of every human person. Fr. Francisco Caldeira Director Diocesan Centre for Social Communications Media - Goa
[Goanet] Goa's Tiatrists to meet
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Press Note
For Kind favour of Publishing
Goa's Tiatrist fraternity,will converge at the 'Pai Tiatrist Joao Agostinho
Fernandes, Indoor Auditorium, at the Ravindra Bhawan Complex, Margao, on
the 29th August 2008, at 1 pm, to observe the 61st Death Anniversary, of Pai
Tiatrist Joao Agostinho Fernandes.
Prominent Tiatrists, along with wellwishers of Konkani Tiatro, will garland
the portrait of Pai Tiatrist, prominently displayed at the entrance of the
hall, at the Ravindra Bhawan Complex.
This will be followed by paying oral tributes to the immortal legend Joao
Agostino.
The venue' is available for just an hour, hence all are expected to be
present, in time.
Late, Joao Agostinho Fernandes, was fondly referred to as Pai Tiatrist, by
his own contemporaries of around 1920, for his immense contribution in
setting-up, a strong foundation, to the Konkani Tiatro, during its most
difficult times.
Still, however, Shri Joao Agustinho Fernands, himself, in all humility,
acknowledged, Shri Lucasinho Ribeiro, as his guruin Tiatros..
Pai Tiatrist Joao Agostinho Fernandes, was the first to :-
- Write Original Scripts for Tiatro, based on Social Themes.
- Introduced Original Goan Music into Tiatros.
- Started the system of variety in songs (Solos, Duets, Duos, Trios,
Quartets etc.)
- Started the system of Tiatr in 7-Acts.
- Started publishing Books of his Tiatrs, for Goans to read, and store for
posterity.
- Introduce Women, on the Konkani Tiatro Stage.
- Work towards introducing social reforms, through Konkani Tiatro.
Wilmix
(Tiatrist)
[Goanet] From Siridao to Swindon (with fotos)
Cornel said: SelmaJust a short response. Swindon is the fastest growingeconomic town/city in the whole of the EU. This iswhere the jobs are---hence the immigrants. Mostimmigrants anywhere want to make it economically andeducationally however tough the initial conditions. -- Reply: Just because Swindon is on the EU map, does not necessitate Goans to live in squalid conditions. They have gathered together like the Southall people to form a community. They don't have to do that - Southall people did that because they did not speak English. If the BNP people attacked the Goan community, would they fight back? or show them the other cheek, of their back side to be kicked. Goans know right from wrong yet they will not voice their opinion for fear of OFFENDING the HONKY (white), instead they prefer to bribe them. - Alas! BNP dare not enter Southall, can the Swindon Goan community say the same?. ED. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[Goanet] Wishes on Goanet's 14th Anniversary -- August 25, 2008
Dear Mr.Carneiro, Dev boro dis dium! It is indeed a privilege to wish you and your stupendous Team for the great work that you have been doing - Connecting Goans. I join my family in wishing you the Best in your future endeavours to keep the diminishing tribe of Goans connected. By 'Goans'. I do not mean those who have come and bought flats houses here, but those individuals who genuinely carry on the ethos of the Goan Culture of sincerity, honesty, and most importantly warm feelings of well being about another human being. Though simply to pen, its extremely difficult for any individual to live by these facets. This is what makes us GOANS different. I must commend your Team for touring me and taking me to my younger days by hosting the photos of a Caminhao or Carreira. It is my proud privilege to inform you that our family tree has its roots for the last eighteen (18) recorded generations in Goa. I feel proud about my heritage, and it does not matter to which regime or rule it is credited to. I seek liberty to request you to create a seperate section for images and short / brief information about the various Goan landmarks and their reason for existence. As the adage goes, 'you can't make old horses do new tricks'; so also it is difficult (not impossible) to try convince the older generation. Please target the school children with such exiting stories about Goa and recollections by Goan elders and push them into forcing their parents to take them to these places. Let them feel Goa, rather then bark around about being a NIZ GOENKAR, and not knowing anything about Goa. I am proud to personally know Frederick Noronha and am amazed at his ability to put forth his comments, ideas and images about Goa its issues. The articles by your other correspondents / colleagues and mind blowing too. Please accept convey my compliments to all of them and Keep up the good work Dev borem korum! Sanjeev V Sardesai SUPPLY'S INDIA 17, Rosary Apts., Miramar - Panaji, Goa 403001 INDIA Ph. No.: (0832)2464326 Mobile: 9881533456 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message From: Herman Carneiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 26 August, 2008 4:30:22 AM Subject: [Goanet-News] Goanet's 14th Anniversary -- August 25, 2008 Dear Goanetters, Another year has flown by and today is Goanet's 14th anniversary. I'd like to thank each and every one of you for your continued support in making this possible. We owe a great deal of thanks to our dedicated volunteers who put in a lot of work behind the scenes. They are: Frederick 'FN' Noronha (Goa, India) Bosco D'Mello (Toronto, Canada) Viviana Coelho (San Francisco, USA) Christina Pinto (Australia) Avelino D'Souza (Kuwait) Two of our volunteers deserve special mention. Frederick Noronha and Bosco D'Mello have been the pillars of Goanet. They have both gone way beyond their call of duty. Many thanks to those of you who support Goanet through volunteering, making donations, promoting Goanet at events or on your websites, and contributing to discussions on Goanet. Goanet needs your support to grow. We will need you this year more than ever as we expand our services. We will need your donations and time volunteering more than anything. I hope that you will rise to the task when the time comes. Goanet is a non-profit organization that provides a free and valuable service to the community. If you benefit from the service we provide think about your part in supporting us to make this possible. Make a donation to Goanet regularly, no matter how small. Each little bit helps us with maintenance costs. It's easy, just go to the Goanet homepage and click on the button Make a Donation. Thank you all for your continued support. We hope you enjoy Goanet and that you will continue your support for us. Viva Goa! -- Herman Herman Carneiro Founder and Chairman www.Goanet.org Where Goans Connect! Bollywood news, movie reviews, film trailers and more! Go to http://in.movies.yahoo.com/
[Goanet] Political circus while students abstain from school
All parents of a Government School in Fatorpa, Quepem have kept their wards away from the school on the grounds that there are no teachers in the school. In a show of political tamasha, the local MLA visited the school and assured the parents that he had had a telephonic conversation with the Education Minister Babush Monseratte. The minister asked him to bring a delegation of parents to meet him in the afternoon and he would solve the problem. (Prudent Media report) My question: Why must the parents meet the minister? Are they some sort of serfs to touch the hem of the great Lord in Panjim some 70 km away, before they can get their problem solved? Surely isn' t the very fact that all the students (some 130 in number) kept away from school is enough for the local Asst. Director of Education, the Director of Education and the Minister to act? Tony -- Tony de Sa Ph: +91 832 2470148 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] M: +91 9975 162 897 --- Achievement is largely the product of steadily raising one's levels of aspiration and expectation. - Jack Nicklaus
[Goanet] State of Goan justice system --- PIL against infotech corporation
We filed a PIL (after doing about 6 months to a year of serious data gathering) against Infotech corporation and all the companies which were alloted land in March 2007. Till date, hearings are going on whether the PIL should be admitted or not. The actual PIL will be heard if it is admitted. Meanwhile, Narvekar himself had to go as IT minister. I am told that there are chances that the PIL will proceed faster now, due to Narvekar's ouster. So, sad to say this, but one can draw one's own conclusions about India's legal system. samir
[Goanet] FW: Mopa must avoid this fate
1.If Dabolim is not going to be viable in the long rundue to military constraints, then why even bothercontinue to operate it in the long term, unless it ismeant to serve the vested economic interests of thepeople in Dabolim? By parroting the Government's line of having twoairports, you, like the government seem to bepandering to the conflicting interests of both theparties. How can a decision based on short termpolitical expediency be considered to be in Goa's bestinterests?[Marshall Mendoza] Have you taken the trouble to review the past 40 years of Dabolim civil enclave's history? Have you wondered how a 6000 foot runway (originally meant for civilian purposes) morphed under military control into a 1 foot runway suitable for (civilian) jumbo jets. Last year the Navy even opened the airport for night operation. So constraints do get relaxed -- in the long run. This is what we have to be willing to accept in the future too. The present hold up regarding a new terminal will get sorted out eventually depending on the persistence of the Goa government. Dabolim civil enclave's develpment will be by fits and starts. Let's not throw the baby out with the bath water due to blind adherence to some puritanical economic norms. 2.Can you provide us with the daily average number ofcommuter landings and takeoffs in Goa to justify thisextravagance? I highly doubt that there is enoughtraffic to make this a profitable operation for thestate. I used the term commuter airport to help you understand what I had in mind. The business model of Mopa would have to be carefully thought out. Cheers.
Re: [Goanet] Kazur
Hi, Thanks for the nice pics!!! I remember my trip to Usgalimol early this year. The place is very serene, and with the cold clean stream (which once was a mighty river named Kushawati) flowing besides the carvings, it has a very fairy tale like setting. The caretaker over there was very informative, and he mentioned that there are more rock carvings around that are yet to be uncovered and discovered. Not even half a kilometer away from this place, we came across an open pit which I learned was an old mine. It was filled with water (which looked very blue - the sort that we see in the tourist brochures of island resorts)!!! There were some mine people doing a survey of this pit; I learned that they could be starting operations once more!!! It is such a sad state of affairs that we do not have any means by which we can preserve our own heritage!!! Shouldn't there be a buffer around such areas to protect these sites? Just a few kms away from Usgalimol is the village of Vichundrem. Here lies an ancient temple to Lord Vishnu. Only the foundations of the temple stand as of today, but looking at whatever exists, there is no doubt that the temple was artistically designed. There is no proper path to this spot, and if there is no local person around to show the way, it is nearly impossible to find it. The highlight of the temple is a big statue of the God which remains exposed to the elements. I am not sure why the idol is kept open - any miscreant can just steal it. The idol is very beautiful and deserves to be kept in a museum (or atleast protected in some other way). Next to the temple is the bed of a stream which must have dried up ages ago. Also, just by the side of the temple lies what looks like could have been another temple. A friend who accompanied us informed that as per folk stories recited by the elders, this was a temple to Betaal. The idol of this temple is supposed to be placed/hidden inside a pond close by to protect it. The path to the pond is nearly impassable; we tried for some distance, but had to turn back nearly bruised. I am not sure why this idol was hidden, but I would surely want to know/explore it further. Such history!!! Such a heritage!!! Regards, Prasad Vaman Raicar From: Rajan P. Parrikar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] Kazur To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To Goanet - The remarkable pre-historic art gallery at Usgaimol - now under threat from the criminal mining activity nearby - in Sanguem taluka is fairly well-known. Not as well known are the petroglyphs inscribed on a rock in a field a few miles away in the tiny village of Kazur in Quepem taluka. Thanks Regards, Prasad Vaman Raicar P Please do not print this email unless it is absolutely necessary. Spread environmental awareness. Please do not print this email unless it is absolutely necessary. The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately and destroy all copies of this message and any attachments. WARNING: Computer viruses can be transmitted via email. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The company accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. www.wipro.com
Re: [Goanet] woman slaps GMC doctor --- hats off to Sonia Mhambre
Sure in this case courts will move very fast. 1) Babush Monseratte made the police march one of the guys in underwear. Will JC ensure that the courts will move fast in that case too? 2) Narvekar spent about 100 crores of state exechequer's money on a lemon called IT park. Our case filed two years back is still not admitted --- it still keeps coming for hearing. 3) You know the courts and India's lawyers. You will go completely broke spending on lawyers, and visiting courts and still you will go nowhere. There is only so much that people can take. And when frustrations come out, every one who is in the line of fire can turn to ashes. An action done by Sonia as a matter of conscience is to be appreciated. I hope Sonia will go to jail and defend her action and be ready to pay the penalty as per the law of the land. samir --- On Thu, 8/28/08, J. Colaco jc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: J. Colaco jc [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: woman slaps GMC doctor --- hats off to Sonia Mhambre To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Date: Thursday, August 28, 2008, 5:09 AM PANJIM, AUG 26 — A junior resident doctor at the Goa Medical College and Hospital at Bambolim had to face the ire of a woman to whom he revealed the news of her mother's death on Tuesday afternoon.(Herald) Samir Kelekar wrote: 1: Hats off to Sonia Mhambre for slapping the doctor. 2: It is a shame that Sonia was arrested. jc's comment: Besides the shameful state of GMC, The other shame here is Samir Kelekar's post. As far as I am concerned, Sonia Mhambre has committed (based on the report) Assault and Battery against the young doctor. I trust that the courts will provide her with the sentence she deserves. BTW: I am concerned that a junior doctor was given the responsibility of delivering the sad news to Ms. Mhambre. jc
