Re: z/OS use of "legacy" programming languages

[Seymour J Metz]

Do you mean only that IBM has changed the underlying hardware used to implement 
what they called Machine Interface (MI) on the S/38, or do you mean that they 
have changed the MI itself?


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[Default] On 1 Jul 2020 14:43:51 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main
sme...@gmu.edu (Seymour J Metz) wrote:

>Comfort isn't the only issue. When they change the law such that the code no 
>longer complies, then you have to bite the bullet and update it? Lost the 
>source code? There could be legal consequences. YMMV.
>
>There used to be an operating system with no support for running from an 
>object deck; the compilers were fast enough that it wasn't an issue. I 
>sometimes think they had the right idea.

That reads like MUMPS or AS400/IBM-i.  I know AS400/IBM-i have changed
instruction sets.

Clark Morris

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Re: Migrate z/OS DASD volumes from Mainframe to Hercules Environment

[Brian Westerman]

I forgot to mention that there are directions for copying DASD on the CBTtape 
file 659.

Brian

On Thu, 2 Jul 2020 05:31:27 +1000, Wayne Bickerdike  wrote:

>Hercules isn't nobbled. I know a bloke who knows a bloke who runs Hercules
>and zOS 2.3. This bloke told me that the other bloke did ADRDSSU volume
>dumps and a restore at the other end.
>
>On Thu, Jul 2, 2020, 03:47 Tom Brennan  wrote:
>
>> It wasn't me!  I keep forgetting to lock up my computer when I leave my
>> desk.  http://www.mildredbrennan.com/mvs/toms_computer.png
>>
>> On 7/1/2020 5:53 AM, David Crayford wrote:
>> > On 2020-07-01 8:26 PM, John McKown wrote:
>> >>> And what?
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>> >>> Will they track the IP from Joh Doe sent the message?
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Re: Migrate z/OS DASD volumes from Mainframe to Hercules Environment

[Brian Westerman]

Maybe you are forgetting the whole backwards compatibility thing.

Do you really think IBM is worried about a bunch of hobbyists writing code or 
reliving their youth on mainframes because they have some "lost" revenue in 
that area?  

You can join developerworks and license z/PDT, which is what I and most people 
do.  It's not that expensive, and it won't kill you like buying that big old 
Harley-Davidson will.

Brian

On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 10:11:39 -0500, Joe Monk  wrote:

>"And what?"
>
>How about ... and IBM builds in things to the next release of z/os that
>make it completely impossible for it to run on Hercules? Or z/VM? or z/VSE?
>
>Joe
>
>On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 6:33 AM R.S.  wrote:
>
>> And what?
>> I can subscribe to IBM-MAIN using John Doe and some anonymous email.
>> Will they track the IP from Joh Doe sent the message?
>>
>> IBM is aware of illegal users of Hercules + some current OS. They also
>> know a lot of Hercules users are IBMers.
>>
>>
>> No, it is nothing pro and against Hercules, piracy, and law. It is just
>> an observation.
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> W dniu 30.06.2020 o 15:32, Joe Monk pisze:
>> > Call from the IBM Lawyers in  3... 2... 1...
>> >
>> > Joe
>> >
>> > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 5:35 AM Jasi Grewal  wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi,
>> >>
>> >> I am sorry I am just learning Hercules Systems and trying to migrate one
>> >> of my z/OS DASD Systems from Mainframe to Hercules Environment.
>> >> I have z/VM running on Hercules but when I tries to IPL z/OS it seems
>> that
>> >> there is a corruption and that is most probably cause of wrong process.
>> >>
>> >> I believe that there must be some method to migrate the z/OS DASD from
>> >> Mainframe to Hercules.
>> >> I used z/VM DDR+Terse to migrate zOS Dasd but I don't think that is the
>> >> correct process.
>> >> Is there a Documentation in how to migrate z/OS Systems to Hercules?
>> That
>> >> would be appreciated.
>> >>
>> >> Any guidance would be appreciated.
>> >> Thank you in advance,
>> >> Regards,
>> >>
>> >> Jasi Grewal.
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Re: Migrate z/OS DASD volumes from Mainframe to Hercules Environment

[Brian Westerman]

No, it works with z/OS 2.4, well, there is a small issue, but it's being 
resolved.

On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 20:01:41 +0800, David Crayford  wrote:

>Didn't IBM nobble Hercules with recent versions of z/OS which had
>propriety enablement? Basically kills it!
>
>On 2020-07-01 7:32 PM, R.S. wrote:
>> And what?
>> I can subscribe to IBM-MAIN using John Doe and some anonymous email.
>> Will they track the IP from Joh Doe sent the message?
>>
>> IBM is aware of illegal users of Hercules + some current OS. They also
>> know a lot of Hercules users are IBMers.
>>
>>
>> No, it is nothing pro and against Hercules, piracy, and law. It is
>> just an observation.
>>
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Re: z/OS use of "legacy" programming languages

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 21:43:42 +, Seymour J Metz wrote:

>Comfort isn't the only issue. When they change the law such that the code no 
>longer complies, then you have to bite the bullet and update it? Lost the 
>source code? There could be legal consequences. YMMV.
>
For such reasons, programmers should always regression
test with a new compiler, Runtime, OS, hardware, ...
before the previous one becomes unavailable.

>There used to be an operating system with no support for running from an 
>object deck; the compilers were fast enough that it wasn't an issue. I 
>sometimes think they had the right idea.
> 
NCAR wrote a custom OS for their CDC 6600, optimized for
scientific computation, and initially supported no object decks.
I believe they relented after a while.

OTOH, ANL/UIUC set a strict time limit on jobs that did *any*
compilation whatver, deeming them development rather than
production.

>
>From: Frank Swarbrick
>Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 2:57 PM
>
>I can't imagine being comfortable writing new code, at least, for a compiler 
>that has not been updated in 35 years, but maybe that's just me.  

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Re: z/OS use of "legacy" programming languages

[Clark Morris]

[Default] On 1 Jul 2020 14:43:51 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main
sme...@gmu.edu (Seymour J Metz) wrote:

>Comfort isn't the only issue. When they change the law such that the code no 
>longer complies, then you have to bite the bullet and update it? Lost the 
>source code? There could be legal consequences. YMMV.
>
>There used to be an operating system with no support for running from an 
>object deck; the compilers were fast enough that it wasn't an issue. I 
>sometimes think they had the right idea.

That reads like MUMPS or AS400/IBM-i.  I know AS400/IBM-i have changed
instruction sets.

Clark Morris 

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Re: IPSEC Configuration and Performance

[Grant Taylor]

On 7/1/20 1:49 PM, Crawford, Robert C. wrote:
We're considering using IPSEC to secure traffic between an internal 
router and a CICS application.  Can anyone on this list give us any 
hints, tips or gotchas they may have from doing something similar 
themselves.


I can't help.

But I'd love to be a fly on the wall and learn.

I've also got some questions, but that's more active than fly on the wall.



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Re: z/OS use of "legacy" programming languages

[Seymour J Metz]

Comfort isn't the only issue. When they change the law such that the code no 
longer complies, then you have to bite the bullet and update it? Lost the 
source code? There could be legal consequences. YMMV.

There used to be an operating system with no support for running from an object 
deck; the compilers were fast enough that it wasn't an issue. I sometimes think 
they had the right idea.


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Subject: Re: z/OS use of "legacy" programming languages

Thanks Tim.

I can't imagine being comfortable writing new code, at least, for a compiler 
that has not been updated in 35 years, but maybe that's just me.  

Now that we know what languages are still supported, I am still curious if 
anyone out there is actually still using them, and if so, why.


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Subject: Re: z/OS use of "legacy" programming languages

Frank Swarbrick asked:
>Is Pascal also still supported/used?

IBM VS Pascal (5668-767) is still IBM marketed and supported:

https://www.ibm.com/support/lifecycle/#/details?q45=M618799U16404L24

The New Stanford Pascal Compiler is also available:

https://secure-web.cisco.com/1sB--SIcS3bNP44dQ4KdTXCoyd8kZvvd-kJbfoC35M8BPzsc1Fi_YlkR1CRoefcR-jrOd2GHbYP1NF_P4RDAMpI2WzV8ld0qg3H5CbezXyiLgUkOOIeOykOGOEOgUIhK_RGS2vbRm1UN_fEFff_1qSIRSq1ehOOvHjHikYVidu0uTVrub14L_xKKQJdmYcVFzhhIhmWp39_koENrfyoi1MuiMSBe6qMf8g5EPwLz22UyOGyk-WLl5N_jqnPYt8pjxZtIH8t7W1crbr-Er_eF2317LAqFKgwk94ZpJM74iAc_46rUhLc3Iij88HC425vciSyy1KunQExt5GEKK8x6G0i20yAgmt7kviqJ8w9r4O_EI-SJL0pFQ53-wCJZcUEGdmI8dYLsmWtzm7dY2V7oJG6KoYZpfSAayOm60FLruyi5G1afaul91WEJ-Ef8FTL_N/https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2FStanfordPascal%2FPascal
http://secure-web.cisco.com/1HAb653ryBxQR3Wqlt-kAt_0ep2XlSp6E0qZwvT2TjkL9qut9NK1J6V3woI7RXznUfgnPPaYwTTx1hGUzMBvgRk2R6UiazlCiQ_dlQXJUaQq6Qba3uowoTQ-qHUGRDICKC_Gp_38PTMljay5dOH407NFig3UlJpnaU23jBgMiewUy7vCGYunyhuHqx3QUeZeTXFQeyhE-3OfQZ0T2dChhV5HrVKmgBznipPIThx2vnrx-sZMYJQAh2BqMUYnHViFf4rpiWJu0ceYuwJZyYBlgolc_Si2R66Ke0lupt7bpXYx7mrG1bsILHCH7s9lQ-DrzV1lnxgXQi4y5vXwaoF788E7FSkRXcO7_NgA4eEQeHBjAzj06tEJzs-vTRUaCxuODDEjsxllF_6vzfgu67PSrV-K_zZBmVMP4i-6Cy6gmcauyWMY-0KXD-YILHNsosfgh/http%3A%2F%2Fbernd-oppolzer.de%2Fjob9.htm

Here are some more classic programming language compilers that are
currently IBM marketed and supported, in no particular order:

APL2 (5688-228)
https://www.ibm.com/support/lifecycle/#/details?q45=D543769I30278S34

BASIC (5665-948)
https://www.ibm.com/support/lifecycle/#/details?q45=G568183M36263P96

RPG II
This one is a little extra obscure, but yes, it's still IBM marketed and
supported. The IBM Program Number is 5740-RG1. The z/VSE variant
(5746-RG1) is listed more visibly here:
https://www.ibm.com/us-en/marketplace/dosvs-rpg-ii
There's a little bit of confusion about RPG in large part because there
was a relatively briefly marketed RPG compiler introduced years later
called "IBM SAA RPG/370." This specific, very different compiler
(5688-127) was withdrawn from marketing and is no longer IBM supported,
but the previously introduced RPG II compiler is still an active IBM
product.

IBM's Prolog, Lisp, Ada, Algol, Smalltalk, and COMTRAN compilers are
withdrawn and past their End of Service dates, but it's likely there are
some of these compiled programs still running, even with some periodic
code changes. In some cases there may be available and supported
programming language offerings from other parties. Some may target Java
Virtual Machine (JVM) and/or z/OS Container Extensions (zCX) runtimes.

There's a supported JOVIAL compiler available for z/OS and z/VM:
http://secure-web.cisco.com/10jC2ZlEGWxmgqnPGoV_R47MxczutnqTaeRlUjE6rN-WGhpnfL7h5MUA8cWOqO07jY0K8e9vDr10OnU7yooO7l_jLfaigkGz49p_CciXXeaIWyEMrVRozlV5paU3WLlwRz40-dYzDfIiEjMlr3y87aUhjKn4A3vbD-RjRAbN4p3D4VDlaRTyaeKuGNfYjzwQYQGmYn1Cv8ZurR7jLVoU39viqce9i8ZpqRLFNexARrunAK-XFMPsLMjhfcMD01p5GAE4NeX9JSF12T3witEKoSBjv1hw0g0Pk_y_97fg5BUOY8PPf_jxHPHj6e8H0DX1teKhabR88GKNriIwkxypvSZv_5sn3PSlaD3wIkW20ooPdbtOFQxR6g29q2S_-96ZKc1vCoqmvKurE548OfPr3xCMKxRRb20kUQL1MMxKwIvnVOzho5_2Rfu4AGN0VAhE-/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.seadeo.com%2FIBM_Compilers.htm

If there's some other programming language's status you'd like me to
research, please ask. And obviously IBM markets and supports C, C++, REXX,
COBOL, PL/I, Java, EGL, HLASM, and several other programming languages
(JavaScript, Swift, Python, IBM Migration Utility)

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IPSEC Configuration and Performance

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We're considering using IPSEC to secure traffic between an internal router and 
a CICS application.  Can anyone on this list give us any hints, tips or gotchas 
they may have from doing something similar themselves.

Thanks in advance.

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Re: Migrate z/OS DASD volumes from Mainframe to Hercules Environment

[Wayne Bickerdike]

Hercules isn't nobbled. I know a bloke who knows a bloke who runs Hercules
and zOS 2.3. This bloke told me that the other bloke did ADRDSSU volume
dumps and a restore at the other end.

On Thu, Jul 2, 2020, 03:47 Tom Brennan  wrote:

> It wasn't me!  I keep forgetting to lock up my computer when I leave my
> desk.  http://www.mildredbrennan.com/mvs/toms_computer.png
>
> On 7/1/2020 5:53 AM, David Crayford wrote:
> > On 2020-07-01 8:26 PM, John McKown wrote:
> >>> And what?
> >>> I can subscribe to IBM-MAIN using John Doe and some anonymous email.
> >>> Will they track the IP from Joh Doe sent the message?
> >>>
> >> Using TOR (The Onion Router), it would be very difficult to get to your
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> >>
> > haha! How many IBMMAIN users are using the "dark web"?
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Re: z/OS use of "legacy" programming languages

[Frank Swarbrick]

Thanks Tim.

I can't imagine being comfortable writing new code, at least, for a compiler 
that has not been updated in 35 years, but maybe that's just me.  

Now that we know what languages are still supported, I am still curious if 
anyone out there is actually still using them, and if so, why.


From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of 
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Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 12:07 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
Subject: Re: z/OS use of "legacy" programming languages

Frank Swarbrick asked:
>Is Pascal also still supported/used?

IBM VS Pascal (5668-767) is still IBM marketed and supported:

https://www.ibm.com/support/lifecycle/#/details?q45=M618799U16404L24

The New Stanford Pascal Compiler is also available:

https://github.com/StanfordPascal/Pascal
http://bernd-oppolzer.de/job9.htm

Here are some more classic programming language compilers that are
currently IBM marketed and supported, in no particular order:

APL2 (5688-228)
https://www.ibm.com/support/lifecycle/#/details?q45=D543769I30278S34

BASIC (5665-948)
https://www.ibm.com/support/lifecycle/#/details?q45=G568183M36263P96

RPG II
This one is a little extra obscure, but yes, it's still IBM marketed and
supported. The IBM Program Number is 5740-RG1. The z/VSE variant
(5746-RG1) is listed more visibly here:
https://www.ibm.com/us-en/marketplace/dosvs-rpg-ii
There's a little bit of confusion about RPG in large part because there
was a relatively briefly marketed RPG compiler introduced years later
called "IBM SAA RPG/370." This specific, very different compiler
(5688-127) was withdrawn from marketing and is no longer IBM supported,
but the previously introduced RPG II compiler is still an active IBM
product.

IBM's Prolog, Lisp, Ada, Algol, Smalltalk, and COMTRAN compilers are
withdrawn and past their End of Service dates, but it's likely there are
some of these compiled programs still running, even with some periodic
code changes. In some cases there may be available and supported
programming language offerings from other parties. Some may target Java
Virtual Machine (JVM) and/or z/OS Container Extensions (zCX) runtimes.

There's a supported JOVIAL compiler available for z/OS and z/VM:
http://www.seadeo.com/IBM_Compilers.htm

If there's some other programming language's status you'd like me to
research, please ask. And obviously IBM markets and supports C, C++, REXX,
COBOL, PL/I, Java, EGL, HLASM, and several other programming languages
(JavaScript, Swift, Python, IBM Migration Utility)

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Re: Sort Jcl to build a Update table control card

[Sri h Kolusu]

>>fyi ,  we are using DFSORT  and not Syncsort .

Well that is good news.  On that note then here is the solution.

//STEP0100 EXEC PGM=SORT
//SYSOUT   DD SYSOUT=*
//SORTIN   DD *
US1234567897272
//SORTOUT  DD SYSOUT=*
//SYSINDD *
  OPTION COPY
  OUTFIL BUILD=(C'UPDATE K1GHGMT.RTALABLE_ITKM_SG',/,
C'   SET LAST_CHG_TIMESTAMP = CURRENT TIMESTAMP',/,
C'  ,LAST_CHANGE_USERID = ''',C'WKYT',C,/,
C' WHERE COUNTRY_CODE   = ''',01,02,C,/,
C'   AND PLU_ITEM_NBR   = ',03,09,/,
C'   AND ITEM_NBR   = ',12,04,/,
C';',/,
C'COMMIT;',80:X)
/*

The output from the above is

UPDATE K1GHGMT.RTALABLE_ITKM_SG
   SET LAST_CHG_TIMESTAMP = CURRENT TIMESTAMP
  ,LAST_CHANGE_USERID = 'WKYT'
 WHERE COUNTRY_CODE   = 'US'
   AND PLU_ITEM_NBR   = 123456789
   AND ITEM_NBR   = 7272
;
COMMIT;


Thanks,
Kolusu
DFSORT Development
IBM Corporation

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Re: Sort Jcl to build a Update table control card

[Ron Thomas]

ok thanks a lot Kolusu.fyi ,  we are using DFSORT  and not Syncsort .

Regards
Ron T

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Re: AT-TLS ? Very Basic Questions

[Tom Brennan]

Thanks!  This conversation really helped me understand.  And Mike just 
pointed out that not only are things headed to AT-TLS, but it may be the 
ONLY way to encrypt in the near future.


On 7/1/2020 9:21 AM, Charles Mills wrote:

Tom, I believe you have nailed it exactly. Those are the two main drivers IMHO.

In addition, there is a *huge* problem (in general, not Z specifically) of poorly-written 
programmatic "users" of TLS libraries. If you write a General Ledger program and the 
ledgers don't cross-foot, the CFO tells you. If you write an "encrypted" communication 
program and the encryption has a logical flaw, generally no one tells you. :-( Centralizing the use 
of TLS, not just the TLS APIs, is a step toward addressing that problem.

https://www.cs.utexas.edu/~shmat/shmat_ccs12.pdf

Charles


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Subject: Re: AT-TLS ? Very Basic Questions

Thanks KB...  I think I got my basic question answered, which is that
one thing AT-TLS was designed for is to encrypt data for TCP/IP programs
that weren't originally written with encryption.  In addition, it sounds
like even programs that can do their own encryption (i.e. TN3270) can
also use AT-TLS.  If so, that's a smart plan - putting encryption
processing in one bucket with one set of controls, and one spot to
update when TLS1.x comes along.

But if I'm wrong with any of the general notes above, please correct me.

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Re: TN3270 clients for Linux and OS/2

[Seymour J Metz]

I used to use a 3180 with a customized LOGMODE: 43x80 primary, 27x132 
secondary. Not as nice as having a 3290, but certainly better than a vanilla 
model 5.

I'm not sure how well screen snapshot as HTML would work; does it pick up allo 
of the field and character attributes?


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On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 15:47:53 +, Seymour J Metz  wrote:

>Can anybody suggest goof TN3270 clients for Linux and OS/2?
>
>On Linux I use KDE and would prefer something written for QT or at least X11. 
>For OS/2 I'd prefer a PM application. In both cases I'd like the ability to 
>configure both the primary and secondary screen size.
>
Linux/Debian-like:
sudo apt-get install x3270

-- the old standard.  I configure secondary screen size; don't know about
primary.  I adore screen snapshot as HTML as much as I loathe Hummingbird's
preference for bitmap.  (There's a text snapshot alternative, but few users
know how to enable it.)  In a support role I want to be able to copy-paste
from a service request.

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Re: Migrate z/OS DASD volumes from Mainframe to Hercules Environment

[Tom Brennan]

It wasn't me!  I keep forgetting to lock up my computer when I leave my 
desk.  http://www.mildredbrennan.com/mvs/toms_computer.png


On 7/1/2020 5:53 AM, David Crayford wrote:

On 2020-07-01 8:26 PM, John McKown wrote:

And what?
I can subscribe to IBM-MAIN using John Doe and some anonymous email.
Will they track the IP from Joh Doe sent the message?


Using TOR (The Onion Router), it would be very difficult to get to your
specific IP address.


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Re: z/OS use of "legacy" programming languages

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 14:07:08 +0800, Timothy Sipples wrote:
>
>... And obviously IBM markets and supports ..., REXX, ...
>
As long as "support" isn't construed to imply ANSI conformance.

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Re: Sort Jcl to build a Update table control card

[Sri h Kolusu]

> Could some let me know how this can be done using SORT (DFSORT) jcl.

Ron,

Your shop has other competitive product to DFSORT and yet you request the
solution for DFSORT.  The control cards may run fine with both products,
but the least you can do is mention the right product. Moreover this is one
of the simplest task.  Here is a hint for you.  Look up the use of "/"
operator on OUTFIL which lets you split a record into multiple records.

/, n/ and /.../ can be used in the BUILD, OUTREC, or IFTHEN BUILD
parameters of the OUTFIL statement, but not in the OVERLAY or IFTHEN
OVERLAY parameters of the OUTFIL statement, or in any parameters of the
INREC and OUTREC statements. If n/ is used at the start or end of the
BUILD, OUTREC or IFTHEN BUILD parameters, n blank lines are inserted. If n/
is used in the middle of the BUILD, OUTREC or IFTHEN parameters, n-1 blanks
lines are inserted.

DFSORT documentation link

https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSLTBW_2.4.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r4.icea100/oufcst.htm


Thanks,
Kolusu
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Re: TN3270 clients for Linux and OS/2

[Grant Taylor]

On 7/1/20 9:47 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote:

Can anybody suggest goof TN3270 clients for Linux and OS/2?


I use x3270 (or it's text based c3270 alternative) on Linux and PCOM on 
OS/2 / ArcaOS for my P/390-E.




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Re: AT-TLS ? Very Basic Questions

[Charles Mills]

I think programs will be able to; IBM just does not intend to spend to maintain 
encryption in two places: AT-TLS *and* all of the listed applications.

Charles


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Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 6:43 AM
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Subject: Re: AT-TLS ? Very Basic Questions

Some programs will soon no longer be able to do their own TLS encryption. 

https://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/ShowDoc.wss?docURL=/common/ssi/rep_ca/0/877/ENUSZP19-0410/index.html_locale=en#sodx

Statements of direction

Removal of native TLS/SSL support from TN3270E Telnet server, FTP server, and 
DCAS

z/OS V2.4 is planned to be the last release in which the z/OS TN3270E Telnet 
server, FTP server, and Digital Certificate Access Server (DCAS) will support 
direct invocation of System SSL APIs for TLS/SSL protection. In the future, the 
only TLS/SSL protection option for these servers will be Application 
Transparent Transport Layer Security (AT-TLS). The direct System SSL support in 
each of these components is functionally outdated and only supports TLS 
protocols up through TLSv1.1. IBM recommends converting your TN3270E Telnet, 
FTP server, and DCAS configurations to use AT-TLS, which supports the latest 
System SSL features, including the TLSv1.2 and TLSv1.3 protocols and related 
cipher suites. Note that while native TLS/SSL support for z/OS FTP client is 
not being withdrawn at this time, no future enhancements are planned for that 
support. IBM recommends using AT-TLS to secure FTP client traffic.

Mike Wawiorko  

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Brennan
Sent: 01 July 2020 05:46
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Subject: Re: AT-TLS ? Very Basic Questions


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Thanks KB...  I think I got my basic question answered, which is that one thing 
AT-TLS was designed for is to encrypt data for TCP/IP programs that weren't 
originally written with encryption.  In addition, it sounds like even programs 
that can do their own encryption (i.e. TN3270) can also use AT-TLS.  If so, 
that's a smart plan - putting encryption processing in one bucket with one set 
of controls, and one spot to update when TLS1.x comes along.

But if I'm wrong with any of the general notes above, please correct me.


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Re: AT-TLS ? Very Basic Questions

[Charles Mills]

Tom, I believe you have nailed it exactly. Those are the two main drivers IMHO.

In addition, there is a *huge* problem (in general, not Z specifically) of 
poorly-written programmatic "users" of TLS libraries. If you write a General 
Ledger program and the ledgers don't cross-foot, the CFO tells you. If you 
write an "encrypted" communication program and the encryption has a logical 
flaw, generally no one tells you. :-( Centralizing the use of TLS, not just the 
TLS APIs, is a step toward addressing that problem.

https://www.cs.utexas.edu/~shmat/shmat_ccs12.pdf 

Charles


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Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2020 9:46 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: AT-TLS ? Very Basic Questions

Thanks KB...  I think I got my basic question answered, which is that 
one thing AT-TLS was designed for is to encrypt data for TCP/IP programs 
that weren't originally written with encryption.  In addition, it sounds 
like even programs that can do their own encryption (i.e. TN3270) can 
also use AT-TLS.  If so, that's a smart plan - putting encryption 
processing in one bucket with one set of controls, and one spot to 
update when TLS1.x comes along.

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Sort Jcl to build a Update table control card

[Ron Thomas]

Hello

We have input file with around 6500 rows as below and would need to build a 
control card to update the DB

US1234567897272 -(1st 2 bytes countrycode,next 9 bytes item number ,next 4 
bytes PLU nbr)

I need to generate a SQL UPDATE code generator like below. ("?" need to be 
pulled from the file )

UPDATE K1GHGMT.RTALABLE_ITKM_SG
   SET LAST_CHG_TIMESTAMP = CURRENT TIMESTAMP 
   , LAST_CHANGE_USERID = 'WKYT'
WHERE COUNTRY_CODE = ?
and PLU_ITEM_NBR =?
and item_nbr = ?
commit ; 

Could some let me know how this can be done using SORT (DFSORT) jcl.

Regards
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Re: TN3270 clients for Linux and OS/2

[Gord Tomlin]

On 2020-07-01 11:47, Seymour J Metz wrote:

Can anybody suggest goof TN3270 clients for Linux and OS/2?

On Linux I use KDE and would prefer something written for QT or at least X11. 
For OS/2 I'd prefer a PM application. In both cases I'd like the ability to 
configure both the primary and secondary screen size.


For Linux: https://github.com/pmattes/x3270

"Good" is in the eyes of the beholder. Some think it's great; I keep a 
Windows machine around so I can continue to use Vista TN3270.


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Re: TN3270 clients for Linux and OS/2

[Karl S Huf]

NTAC:3NS-20

Back when we (MF group at my employer) still ran OS/2 we ran IBM's PCOM
and quite liked it. After a while got tired of our desktop group
referring any OS/2 questions they received to me and finally
transitioned over to Windows (and Reflections nee Attachmate).

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Can anybody suggest goof TN3270 clients for Linux and OS/2?

On Linux I use KDE and would prefer something written for QT or at least
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Re: TN3270 clients for Linux and OS/2

[Jerry Whitteridge]

Oh - and I seem to remember testing Tom Brennan's Vista3270 under wine -
but that was a LONG time ago and pre the SSL support release.

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Re: TN3270 clients for Linux and OS/2

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 15:47:53 +, Seymour J Metz  wrote:

>Can anybody suggest goof TN3270 clients for Linux and OS/2? 
>
>On Linux I use KDE and would prefer something written for QT or at least X11. 
>For OS/2 I'd prefer a PM application. In both cases I'd like the ability to 
>configure both the primary and secondary screen size.
> 
Linux/Debian-like:
sudo apt-get install x3270

-- the old standard.  I configure secondary screen size; don't know about
primary.  I adore screen snapshot as HTML as much as I loathe Hummingbird's
preference for bitmap.  (There's a text snapshot alternative, but few users
know how to enable it.)  In a support role I want to be able to copy-paste
from a service request.

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Re: TN3270 clients for Linux and OS/2

[Jerry Whitteridge]

Not sure I have anything for OS/2 but on my Linux systems I use x3270. You
can configure the screen sizes as well as the keyboard layout to suit what
you need and it all runs fine under KDE

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TN3270 clients for Linux and OS/2

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Can anybody suggest goof TN3270 clients for Linux and OS/2? 

On Linux I use KDE and would prefer something written for QT or at least X11. 
For OS/2 I'd prefer a PM application. In both cases I'd like the ability to 
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Re: Migrate z/OS DASD volumes from Mainframe to Hercules Environment

[Joe Monk]

"And what?"

How about ... and IBM builds in things to the next release of z/os that
make it completely impossible for it to run on Hercules? Or z/VM? or z/VSE?

Joe

On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 6:33 AM R.S.  wrote:

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> IBM is aware of illegal users of Hercules + some current OS. They also
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>
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> No, it is nothing pro and against Hercules, piracy, and law. It is just
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> W dniu 30.06.2020 o 15:32, Joe Monk pisze:
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> > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 5:35 AM Jasi Grewal  wrote:
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> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I am sorry I am just learning Hercules Systems and trying to migrate one
> >> of my z/OS DASD Systems from Mainframe to Hercules Environment.
> >> I have z/VM running on Hercules but when I tries to IPL z/OS it seems
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Re: z/OS use of "legacy" programming languages

[zMan]

/me wonders how many script kiddies have gotten excited to learn there's
apparently a language specifically for creating role-playing games...

On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 2:07 AM Timothy Sipples  wrote:

> Frank Swarbrick asked:
> >Is Pascal also still supported/used?
>
> IBM VS Pascal (5668-767) is still IBM marketed and supported:
>
> https://www.ibm.com/support/lifecycle/#/details?q45=M618799U16404L24
>
> The New Stanford Pascal Compiler is also available:
>
> https://github.com/StanfordPascal/Pascal
> http://bernd-oppolzer.de/job9.htm
>
> Here are some more classic programming language compilers that are
> currently IBM marketed and supported, in no particular order:
>
> APL2 (5688-228)
> https://www.ibm.com/support/lifecycle/#/details?q45=D543769I30278S34
>
> BASIC (5665-948)
> https://www.ibm.com/support/lifecycle/#/details?q45=G568183M36263P96
>
> RPG II
> This one is a little extra obscure, but yes, it's still IBM marketed and
> supported. The IBM Program Number is 5740-RG1. The z/VSE variant
> (5746-RG1) is listed more visibly here:
> https://www.ibm.com/us-en/marketplace/dosvs-rpg-ii
> There's a little bit of confusion about RPG in large part because there
> was a relatively briefly marketed RPG compiler introduced years later
> called "IBM SAA RPG/370." This specific, very different compiler
> (5688-127) was withdrawn from marketing and is no longer IBM supported,
> but the previously introduced RPG II compiler is still an active IBM
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Re: AT-TLS ? Very Basic Questions

[Mike Wawiorko]

Some programs will soon no longer be able to do their own TLS encryption. 

https://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/ShowDoc.wss?docURL=/common/ssi/rep_ca/0/877/ENUSZP19-0410/index.html_locale=en#sodx

Statements of direction

Removal of native TLS/SSL support from TN3270E Telnet server, FTP server, and 
DCAS

z/OS V2.4 is planned to be the last release in which the z/OS TN3270E Telnet 
server, FTP server, and Digital Certificate Access Server (DCAS) will support 
direct invocation of System SSL APIs for TLS/SSL protection. In the future, the 
only TLS/SSL protection option for these servers will be Application 
Transparent Transport Layer Security (AT-TLS). The direct System SSL support in 
each of these components is functionally outdated and only supports TLS 
protocols up through TLSv1.1. IBM recommends converting your TN3270E Telnet, 
FTP server, and DCAS configurations to use AT-TLS, which supports the latest 
System SSL features, including the TLSv1.2 and TLSv1.3 protocols and related 
cipher suites. Note that while native TLS/SSL support for z/OS FTP client is 
not being withdrawn at this time, no future enhancements are planned for that 
support. IBM recommends using AT-TLS to secure FTP client traffic.

Mike Wawiorko  

-Original Message-
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Thanks KB...  I think I got my basic question answered, which is that one thing 
AT-TLS was designed for is to encrypt data for TCP/IP programs that weren't 
originally written with encryption.  In addition, it sounds like even programs 
that can do their own encryption (i.e. TN3270) can also use AT-TLS.  If so, 
that's a smart plan - putting encryption processing in one bucket with one set 
of controls, and one spot to update when TLS1.x comes along.

But if I'm wrong with any of the general notes above, please correct me.


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Re: Migrate z/OS DASD volumes from Mainframe to Hercules Environment

[R.S.]

W dniu 01.07.2020 o 14:53, David Crayford pisze:

On 2020-07-01 8:26 PM, John McKown wrote:

And what?
I can subscribe to IBM-MAIN using John Doe and some anonymous email.
Will they track the IP from Joh Doe sent the message?


Using TOR (The Onion Router), it would be very difficult to get to your
specific IP address.


haha! How many IBMMAIN users are using the "dark web"?


It is not necessary. There are much simpler and "good enough" methods to 
hide someone's IP. Examples:

- use open Wifi
- use neighbours Wifi (I know a guy who worked many months using such Wifi)
- use some "proxy tools" which redirect your web browser or even whole 
system to another country. Some of them by design leave no traces - this 
is good for sites limited "only of US" or other country.

- ask colleague to write a question

Last, but not least: I strongly doubt IBM would make any effort to 
investigate anything else than name and email address. And this should 
end this thread.


IMHO much more interesting is technical question: how to migrate real 
3390 volume to Hercules. I'm not Hercules user, however I believe there 
is such tool up and ready.


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Re: SMS Data Class attribute Extended

[R.S.]

My fault, I forgot about SMF and (mis)understood you want to examine 
datasets itself.

Now I see, you wrote about SMF. To busy...

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W dniu 01.07.2020 o 14:19, PINION, RICHARD W. pisze:

Are saying that I can't find that kind of information from the SMF Type 14/15
records?

-Original Message-
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W dniu 30.06.2020 o 21:53, PINION, RICHARD W. pisze:

We are attempting, on our QA LPAR, to use the SMS DC attributes,

Data Set Name Type  . . . . . : EXTENDED
If Extended . . . . . . . . : PREFERRED
Extended Addressability . . : YES

for all of our sequential data sets.  Of several hundred/thousands of
dataset allocations, during the test period, we ran into 4 ABENDS, 3 S213-94 
and 1 S213-B8.  Which is pretty good, in my opinion.

IEC143I 213-94 - An OPEN macro instruction was attempted against an 
extended-format data set, but the access method is not BSAM or QSAM, or is BDAM 
load mode.

IEC143I 213-B8 - An OPEN was attempted against an extended-format data set with 
a DCB that specified EXCP. EXCP is not supported for extended-format data sets.

I would like to examine our SMF 14/15 records from our production LPAR
to identify other potential problem datasets.  I have an ancient user
written assembler program, 1980's, that reports on SMF 14/15 records.
One of the reported columns is MACREF, which has a test for EXCP processing.  If it was 
EXCP processing, the record is reported with an "E" for that column.  I'm able 
to see all 14/15 activity that has activity for EXCP processing.
However, I noticed that SORT and ICEGENER use EXCP processing.   We didn't have 
any ABENDS with SORT
or ICEGENER.

Two questions,   1)  In addition to my ancient assembler program, can anyone 
recommend a free reporting tool,
that we could use to identify datasets not eligible for EXT format,
and 2) Why does SORT/ICEGENER work against EXT type datasets with EXCP process?

1. I think you ask about programs, not datasets. No tool can recognize how the 
dataset will be or would be used in the future or was used in the past.
2. As Shmuel said there are nuances here.

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Re: Migrate z/OS DASD volumes from Mainframe to Hercules Environment

[David Crayford]

On 2020-07-01 8:26 PM, John McKown wrote:

And what?
I can subscribe to IBM-MAIN using John Doe and some anonymous email.
Will they track the IP from Joh Doe sent the message?


Using TOR (The Onion Router), it would be very difficult to get to your
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haha! How many IBMMAIN users are using the "dark web"?



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Re: Migrate z/OS DASD volumes from Mainframe to Hercules Environment

[John McKown]

On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 6:33 AM R.S.  wrote:

> And what?
> I can subscribe to IBM-MAIN using John Doe and some anonymous email.
> Will they track the IP from Joh Doe sent the message?
>

Using TOR (The Onion Router), it would be very difficult to get to your
specific IP address.


> IBM is aware of illegal users of Hercules + some current OS. They also
> know a lot of Hercules users are IBMers.
>
>
> No, it is nothing pro and against Hercules, piracy, and law. It is just
> an observation.
>
> --
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> Lodz, Poland
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> W dniu 30.06.2020 o 15:32, Joe Monk pisze:
> > Call from the IBM Lawyers in  3... 2... 1...
> >
> > Joe
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 5:35 AM Jasi Grewal  wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I am sorry I am just learning Hercules Systems and trying to migrate one
> >> of my z/OS DASD Systems from Mainframe to Hercules Environment.
> >> I have z/VM running on Hercules but when I tries to IPL z/OS it seems
> that
> >> there is a corruption and that is most probably cause of wrong process.
> >>
> >> I believe that there must be some method to migrate the z/OS DASD from
> >> Mainframe to Hercules.
> >> I used z/VM DDR+Terse to migrate zOS Dasd but I don't think that is the
> >> correct process.
> >> Is there a Documentation in how to migrate z/OS Systems to Hercules?
> That
> >> would be appreciated.
> >>
> >> Any guidance would be appreciated.
> >> Thank you in advance,
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Jasi Grewal.
> >>
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Re: SMS Data Class attribute Extended

[PINION, RICHARD W.]

Are saying that I can't find that kind of information from the SMF Type 14/15
records?

-Original Message-
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Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 7:26 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
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W dniu 30.06.2020 o 21:53, PINION, RICHARD W. pisze:
> We are attempting, on our QA LPAR, to use the SMS DC attributes,
>
> Data Set Name Type  . . . . . : EXTENDED
>If Extended . . . . . . . . : PREFERRED
>Extended Addressability . . : YES
>
> for all of our sequential data sets.  Of several hundred/thousands of 
> dataset allocations, during the test period, we ran into 4 ABENDS, 3 S213-94 
> and 1 S213-B8.  Which is pretty good, in my opinion.
>
> IEC143I 213-94 - An OPEN macro instruction was attempted against an 
> extended-format data set, but the access method is not BSAM or QSAM, or is 
> BDAM load mode.
>
> IEC143I 213-B8 - An OPEN was attempted against an extended-format data set 
> with a DCB that specified EXCP. EXCP is not supported for extended-format 
> data sets.
>
> I would like to examine our SMF 14/15 records from our production LPAR 
> to identify other potential problem datasets.  I have an ancient user 
> written assembler program, 1980's, that reports on SMF 14/15 records.  
> One of the reported columns is MACREF, which has a test for EXCP processing.  
> If it was EXCP processing, the record is reported with an "E" for that 
> column.  I'm able to see all 14/15 activity that has activity for EXCP 
> processing.
> However, I noticed that SORT and ICEGENER use EXCP processing.   We didn't 
> have any ABENDS with SORT
> or ICEGENER.
>
> Two questions,   1)  In addition to my ancient assembler program, can anyone 
> recommend a free reporting tool,
> that we could use to identify datasets not eligible for EXT format, 
> and 2) Why does SORT/ICEGENER work against EXT type datasets with EXCP 
> process?

1. I think you ask about programs, not datasets. No tool can recognize how the 
dataset will be or would be used in the future or was used in the past.
2. As Shmuel said there are nuances here.

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Re: Migrate z/OS DASD volumes from Mainframe to Hercules Environment

[David Crayford]

Didn't IBM nobble Hercules with recent versions of z/OS which had 
propriety enablement? Basically kills it!


On 2020-07-01 7:32 PM, R.S. wrote:

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IBM is aware of illegal users of Hercules + some current OS. They also 
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Re: Migrate z/OS DASD volumes from Mainframe to Hercules Environment

[R.S.]

And what?
I can subscribe to IBM-MAIN using John Doe and some anonymous email.
Will they track the IP from Joh Doe sent the message?

IBM is aware of illegal users of Hercules + some current OS. They also 
know a lot of Hercules users are IBMers.



No, it is nothing pro and against Hercules, piracy, and law. It is just 
an observation.


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W dniu 30.06.2020 o 15:32, Joe Monk pisze:

Call from the IBM Lawyers in  3... 2... 1...

Joe

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 5:35 AM Jasi Grewal  wrote:


Hi,

I am sorry I am just learning Hercules Systems and trying to migrate one
of my z/OS DASD Systems from Mainframe to Hercules Environment.
I have z/VM running on Hercules but when I tries to IPL z/OS it seems that
there is a corruption and that is most probably cause of wrong process.

I believe that there must be some method to migrate the z/OS DASD from
Mainframe to Hercules.
I used z/VM DDR+Terse to migrate zOS Dasd but I don't think that is the
correct process.
Is there a Documentation in how to migrate z/OS Systems to Hercules? That
would be appreciated.

Any guidance would be appreciated.
Thank you in advance,
Regards,

Jasi Grewal.

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Re: SMS Data Class attribute Extended

[R.S.]

W dniu 30.06.2020 o 21:53, PINION, RICHARD W. pisze:

We are attempting, on our QA LPAR, to use the SMS DC attributes,

Data Set Name Type  . . . . . : EXTENDED
   If Extended . . . . . . . . : PREFERRED
   Extended Addressability . . : YES

for all of our sequential data sets.  Of several hundred/thousands of dataset 
allocations, during the test
period, we ran into 4 ABENDS, 3 S213-94 and 1 S213-B8.  Which is pretty good, 
in my opinion.

IEC143I 213-94 - An OPEN macro instruction was attempted against an 
extended-format data set, but the access method is not BSAM or QSAM, or is BDAM 
load mode.

IEC143I 213-B8 - An OPEN was attempted against an extended-format data set with 
a DCB that specified EXCP. EXCP is not supported for extended-format data sets.

I would like to examine our SMF 14/15 records from our production LPAR to 
identify other potential problem
datasets.  I have an ancient user written assembler program, 1980's, that 
reports on SMF 14/15 records.  One
of the reported columns is MACREF, which has a test for EXCP processing.  If it 
was EXCP processing, the record
is reported with an "E" for that column.  I'm able to see all 14/15 activity 
that has activity for EXCP processing.
However, I noticed that SORT and ICEGENER use EXCP processing.   We didn't have 
any ABENDS with SORT
or ICEGENER.

Two questions,   1)  In addition to my ancient assembler program, can anyone 
recommend a free reporting tool,
that we could use to identify datasets not eligible for EXT format, and 2) Why 
does SORT/ICEGENER work against
EXT type datasets with EXCP process?


1. I think you ask about programs, not datasets. No tool can recognize 
how the dataset will be or would be used in the future or was used in 
the past.

2. As Shmuel said there are nuances here.

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Re: z/OS use of "legacy" programming languages

[Timothy Sipples]

Frank Swarbrick asked:
>Is Pascal also still supported/used?

IBM VS Pascal (5668-767) is still IBM marketed and supported:

https://www.ibm.com/support/lifecycle/#/details?q45=M618799U16404L24

The New Stanford Pascal Compiler is also available:

https://github.com/StanfordPascal/Pascal
http://bernd-oppolzer.de/job9.htm

Here are some more classic programming language compilers that are 
currently IBM marketed and supported, in no particular order:

APL2 (5688-228)
https://www.ibm.com/support/lifecycle/#/details?q45=D543769I30278S34

BASIC (5665-948)
https://www.ibm.com/support/lifecycle/#/details?q45=G568183M36263P96

RPG II
This one is a little extra obscure, but yes, it's still IBM marketed and 
supported. The IBM Program Number is 5740-RG1. The z/VSE variant 
(5746-RG1) is listed more visibly here:
https://www.ibm.com/us-en/marketplace/dosvs-rpg-ii
There's a little bit of confusion about RPG in large part because there 
was a relatively briefly marketed RPG compiler introduced years later 
called "IBM SAA RPG/370." This specific, very different compiler 
(5688-127) was withdrawn from marketing and is no longer IBM supported, 
but the previously introduced RPG II compiler is still an active IBM 
product.

IBM's Prolog, Lisp, Ada, Algol, Smalltalk, and COMTRAN compilers are 
withdrawn and past their End of Service dates, but it's likely there are 
some of these compiled programs still running, even with some periodic 
code changes. In some cases there may be available and supported 
programming language offerings from other parties. Some may target Java 
Virtual Machine (JVM) and/or z/OS Container Extensions (zCX) runtimes.

There's a supported JOVIAL compiler available for z/OS and z/VM:
http://www.seadeo.com/IBM_Compilers.htm

If there's some other programming language's status you'd like me to 
research, please ask. And obviously IBM markets and supports C, C++, REXX, 
COBOL, PL/I, Java, EGL, HLASM, and several other programming languages 
(JavaScript, Swift, Python, IBM Migration Utility)

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