Re: [Ldsoss] our LDS blogroll?
I blog, does that count? :-) There are a ton out there. As far as prominent LDS Tech bloggers, check out LouisGray.com. Also, much of the SmugMug team is LDS. Not sure if that counts as a blog though. One of the main developers of Wordpress (I think he may be on this list), Joseph Scott, is also LDS. Then of course there's a decent community in Utah - Phil Windley, Phil Burns, Paul B. Allen, Thom Allen, and many more. BTW, can I suggest you post over at our official new list at http://groups.google.com/group/ldsoss for the future? Thanks, Jesse On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 11:08 PM, Cathy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Besides Matt Asay, do we have any other LDS bloggers out there that I > simply don't know about yet? > > The sense of community is quite helpful. > > --Cathy Malmrose, mother to four: 1. C++ and Drupal programmer, 2. Python > programmer, 3. graphic artist, and my baby 4. who was installing Ubuntu at > four years old and assembling Linux-only laptops at five with her stuffed > penguin collection cheering her on > www.zareason.com is my company, but no company blog yet > > > ___ > Ldsoss mailing list > Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org > http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss > > ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
[Ldsoss] Turn off old list
Charles, I think it should be safe to turn off this list now. Anyone who hasn't already done so I suggest you be sure to join our new list at: http://groups.google.com/group/ldsoss Charles has been wonderful to host this list for so long for us - we're going to give him a break in having to manage it and let the wonderful folks over at Google (which, I believe, ironically, is his new employer) host the new list for us. Thanks again Charles! --Jesse ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
Re: [Ldsoss] Mormons on Open Source
On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 12:07 PM, Thomas Haws <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Of course Jesse Stay is a pillar of the LDSOSS community. Thank you Tom. It's a group effort - OSS really supports itself if everyone is willing to contribute, with a few leaders to nudge it along. I absolutely love what the church is doing with the new Family Search API - that is getting recognition outside of LDS circles now. Just FYI, I'm looking to have the list transferred to the Google group, LDSOSS here soon. We're working out getting the list of all members (we have about 220 or so on the list alone!) together and once we do I'll transfer everything over there. Along with that I'm going to set up a code.google.com project page for our group to post open source code, collaborate, track bugs, etc.. if anyone would like. LDSOSS.org will remain where it is (although if Charles would like I'm happy to host it for him) - please keep posting great content there! Also, feel free to join the Facebook group at http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=4054193037 - not a ton goes on there but it's a great way to make a statement on Facebook. I should do one for LinkedIn as well now that I think of it... Thanks, Jesse ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
[Ldsoss] Fwd: Can you recommend someone for this job: Sr. and Mid Level Java Developers at My Vision One
I thought the list might like this. FYI, I'm trying to find time to get us converted over to Google Groups here... -- Forwarded message -- From: Tom Welch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 10:30 AM Subject: Can you recommend someone for this job: Sr. and Mid Level Java Developers at My Vision One To: Jesse Stay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> If you have a moment, I'd appreciate your help. Please take a look and forward this job on to anyone you think would be interested in the position, or anyone else who could help me find a great candidate. Thanks for your help! -Tom Company: My Vision One Job Title: Sr. and Mid Level Java Developers Description: My Vision One is looking for skilled senior and mid level java developers to work on an exiting new web based project using java, flex, and flash technologies. This is a great opportunity to get in on the ground floor of a product with enormous potential. We are looking for individuals with the following skills and experience. * Sr Java developers - 5+ years of Java experience. * Mid-level developers - 2-5 years of Java experience. * Extensive experience with J2EE framework. * Self starter and hard working to achieve goals of project and company. * Able to write code that scales to a large user base. * Good team player and communicator. Able to work well with various team members and partners. * Excellent design skills and coding practices. * Able to work in a fast moving environment where change is welcome. * Embraces best practices. * Understanding of internet security models and development. * Deep understanding of database design for efficient development. * Solid understanding and use of OOP principles and designs * Excellent knowledge of and experience with key software engineering concepts such as "Unit Testing", "Agile Development", "Refactoring", etc. * Knowledge of the following technologies: - RDBMS - XML - Web Services (REST, SOAP, etc.) - Tomcat - Hibernate and other ORM solutions. LinkedIn Jobs • View job listing on LinkedIn • Forward this job • Reply to Tom Welch P.S. If you cannot view the links, paste the appropriate link into your browser: Job Listing: http://www.linkedin.com/e/vjb/495982/ This email was sent to you by Tom Welch ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) through LinkedIn because Tom Welch thought you might be interested in this job opening or know people who would be interested in applying. If you wish to change how you receive future job notifications, please click here. If you have any questions, please contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] (c) 2008, LinkedIn Corporation -- Jesse Stay The Social Media Guru Partner, Co-founder: SocialOptimize.com Author: O'Reilly's FBML Essentials http://www.amazon.com/FBML-Essentials-Jesse-Stay/dp/0596519184/ Co-Author: I'm on Facebook -- Now What??? http://FacebookAdvice.com Blogger: http://www.jessestay.com http://www.socialoptimize.com/blog http://www.opensocialnow.com Phone: (801) 853-8339 ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
Re: [Ldsoss] New list location
I think the consensus is Google Groups. I'm just trying to find time now to get us migrated over. Jesse On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 10:28 AM, Richard Butt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I have not seen any recent posts on this. Has this list changed to Google > Groupsor another site? > > > Richard Butt > > 4796 S. Linoln Ridge Drive > Tucson, AZ 85730 > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Failure is not falling down, it is not getting up again. -Mary Pickford > > > > > - Original Message > From: Richard Butt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: LDS Open Source Software > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 10:05:49 AM > Subject: Re: [Ldsoss] New list location > > > > > Thanks - But that does not seem to work. I welcome the change to sign-up on > yahoo or google groups > > > Richard Butt > > 4796 S. Linoln Ridge Drive > Tucson, AZ 85730 > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Failure is not falling down, it is not getting up again. -Mary Pickford > > > > > - Original Message > From: Charles Fry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: LDS Open Source Software > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 9:44:50 AM > Subject: Re: [Ldsoss] New list location > > If you're talking about your mailing list password you can deal with that > at: > > http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss > > Charles > > On 2/26/08, Richard Butt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Actually that would solve my problem as I can't seem to get my e-maail, > > password information correct to reset my password. WAAH! > > > > > > Richard Butt > > > > 4796 S. Linoln Ridge Drive > > Tucson, AZ 85730 > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Failure is not falling down, it is not getting up again. -Mary Pickford > > > > > > > > > > - Original Message > > From: Carl Youngblood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: LDS Open Source Software > > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 8:15:56 AM > > Subject: Re: [Ldsoss] New list location > > > > We can re-subscribe. Not a big deal. > > > > On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 8:12 AM, Gordon Clarke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Joshua, > > > > > > I tried Google list but was disappointed with how tightly the restrict > the > > > adding of subscriber directly in a batch. You have to wait for the > > > additions to be approved each time. The want everyone to re-subscribe > > > rather than be transfered from another mailinglist. > > > > > > Gordon > > > > > > > > > >>> "Joshua Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 2/25/2008 11:24 PM >>> > > > > > > Google +1 > > > > > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jesse Stay > > > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 7:00 AM > > > To: LDS Open Source Software > > > Subject: [Ldsoss] New list location > > > > > > > > > I was wondering if I could get the group's opinion on this. I'm going > to > > be > > > switching the location of where the ldsoss list is hosted here in the > near > > > future. I was wondering if anyone minded if we used Google groups or > > Yahoo > > > groups to just host the list? I have server space if not, but hosting > it > > > with Google or Yahoo means the burden then falls on Google or Yahoo to > > > ensure our list stays up, and they have a lot more sysadmins than we do. > > > Does anyone care if we move it over to one of those places? (I should > > > mention that Yahoo now supports openid - not sure if that helps...) > > > > > > Jesse > > > > > > -- > > > Jesse Stay > > > The Social Media Guru > > > > > > Partner, Co-founder: SocialOptimize.com > > > Author: O'Reilly's FBML Essentials > > > > > http://www.amazon.com/FBML-Essentials-Jesse-Stay/dp/0596519184/ > > > Co-Author: I'm on Facebook -- Now What??? > > > http://FacebookAdvice.com > > > > > > Blogger: http://www.jessestay.com > > > http://www.socialoptimize.com/blog > > > > > > Phone: (801) 853-8339 > > > NOTICE: This email message is for the sole use of the intended > > recipient(s) > > > and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any > unauthorized > > &
[Ldsoss] Fwd: 1st Annual FamilySearch Developers Conference March 12, 2008
ief overview of the architecture and core classes in FSKit, after which you will build a simple application to demonstrate authentication, searching, reading person data, caching, synchronization. 3rdParty 4:30 Boyd Gerber Perl/Python My presentation will include: An introduction to perl and python libraries that makes working with the API easy. Instructions on obtaining code, account, etc. to begin using the library. Live Demo of a perl and python application that uses FamilySearch API. Roadmap & how to get involved. Each section will be for the seperate programming language. Client 10:00 John Finlay GedLync GedLync is a new Java open source project developed by students at Neumont University which will allow users to synchronize a GEDCOM file on their local desktop with data in new FamilySearch. This tool simplifies the way users can upload and synchronize their GEDCOM data with new FamilySearch. http://www.neumont.edu Client 11:00 Gaylon Findlay PAF SDK/ Sync (C++) The basic layout of the PAF 5 database structure will be covered, along with the basics of using the PAF 5 SDK provided by the Church. From this base, we will discuss the recent changes engineered by Incline Software and Ohana Software to allow syncing with the new FamilySearch Family Tree. Client 1:30 Dan Lawyer, Jason Butterfield Rich Flex Client Full-featured and filthy-rich on the FamilySearch API. The FamilySearch Labs team is building a full-featured, rich (in features) web client on top of the FamilySearch API. Come hear tips, tricks, and best practices of integrating Flash apps with the FamilySearch API. An overview of the FamilySearch Family Tree project, its architecture and how it integrates with the FamilySearch API will be presented. Client 2:30 Matt Misbach, Brad Hintze Rapid Ajax Application Platform This lecture will cover a quick overview of the basics of the Bungee Connect platform. A tour of the Bungee Family Search library will be given followed by a demo of a Family Search searching application that was written using the library. Client 3:30 Gordon Clarke Feature Opportunities Gordon will cover the opportunies available in this new arena, including Tree Cleaning, Notifications, Private/Shared/Public Spaces, Collaboration, hosting and linking of Rich Media. Client 4:30 Jimmy Zimmerman Basic Client The basic client is available as a binary or source code. The binary can be used to test all the features of the Family Tree API and provides an ability to check the XML strings before committing the changes. Excellent tool for learning and understanding the API Schema in actual use. -- Jesse Stay The Social Media Guru Partner, Co-founder: SocialOptimize.com Author: O'Reilly's FBML Essentials http://www.amazon.com/FBML-Essentials-Jesse-Stay/dp/0596519184/ Co-Author: I'm on Facebook -- Now What??? http://FacebookAdvice.com Blogger: http://www.jessestay.com http://www.socialoptimize.com/blog Phone: (801) 853-8339 ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
Re: [Ldsoss] New list location
On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 3:59 PM, Jesse Stay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I was wondering if I could get the group's opinion on this. I'm going to > be switching the location of where the ldsoss list is hosted here in the > near future. I was wondering if anyone minded if we used Google groups or > Yahoo groups to just host the list? I have server space if not, but hosting > it with Google or Yahoo means the burden then falls on Google or Yahoo to > ensure our list stays up, and they have a lot more sysadmins than we do. > Does anyone care if we move it over to one of those places? (I should > mention that Yahoo now supports openid - not sure if that helps...) > Thanks for everyone's comments thus far. So far it looks like the majority wouldn't have any trouble moving it over to Google Groups. I'm going to give it 2 more days, and if I don't hear any outright objection (besides just one or two people), I'm going to move it over. I use both in various places, and have not had any troubles with either over the last 5-10 years or so. Jesse -- Jesse Stay The Social Media Guru Partner, Co-founder: SocialOptimize.com Author: O'Reilly's FBML Essentials http://www.amazon.com/FBML-Essentials-Jesse-Stay/dp/0596519184/ Co-Author: I'm on Facebook -- Now What??? http://FacebookAdvice.com Blogger: http://www.jessestay.com http://www.socialoptimize.com/blog Phone: (801) 853-8339 ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
[Ldsoss] New list location
I was wondering if I could get the group's opinion on this. I'm going to be switching the location of where the ldsoss list is hosted here in the near future. I was wondering if anyone minded if we used Google groups or Yahoo groups to just host the list? I have server space if not, but hosting it with Google or Yahoo means the burden then falls on Google or Yahoo to ensure our list stays up, and they have a lot more sysadmins than we do. Does anyone care if we move it over to one of those places? (I should mention that Yahoo now supports openid - not sure if that helps...) Jesse -- Jesse Stay The Social Media Guru Partner, Co-founder: SocialOptimize.com Author: O'Reilly's FBML Essentials http://www.amazon.com/FBML-Essentials-Jesse-Stay/dp/0596519184/ Co-Author: I'm on Facebook -- Now What??? http://FacebookAdvice.com Blogger: http://www.jessestay.com http://www.socialoptimize.com/blog Phone: (801) 853-8339 ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
[Ldsoss] List back up!
Forgive the influx of e-mails. I just realized today several of my e-mails weren't getting response on the list. We discovered the server was down, and it is now back up and in full force. Let's keep the discussion going! Jesse -- Jesse Stay The Social Media Guru Partner, Co-founder: SocialOptimize.com Author: O'Reilly's FBML Essentials http://www.amazon.com/FBML-Essentials-Jesse-Stay/dp/0596519184/ Co-Author: I'm on Facebook -- Now What??? http://FacebookAdvice.com Blogger: http://www.jessestay.com http://www.socialoptimize.com/blog Phone: (801) 853-8339 ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
[Ldsoss] CrunchGear Interview
I thought you all would like to see this - I suggest unsubscribing from TechCrunch and/or CrunchGear and any of that network, and encouraging your friends (Mormon and Non) to do so as well: http://www.jessestay.com/articles/2008/01/11/crunchgear-that-was-uncalled-for/ The CrunchGear link from my blog is: http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/01/09/ces-2008-exclusive-crunchgear-interviews-penn-jillette-about-cracklecom-mormons-and-his-choices-in-technology/ Jesse -- Jesse Stay Chief Social Officer, http://SocialOptimize.com Author, "I'm on Facebook -- Now What???" Cell: (801) 853-8339 Blog: http://www.jessestay.com, http://www.socialoptimize.com/blog, http://www.imonfacebooknowwhat.com ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
Re: [Ldsoss] JLV- Facebook App Proposal Ldsoss Digest, Vol 45, Issue 4
On 10/8/07, James Lee Vann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I had an idea this morning, but I'm not really smart enought to do it. If > no one is interesteed, I might get around to it eventually, but if anyone > wants to make an app like this- it'd be way cool! > > There is an app for Facebook that lets you choose the countires in the > world that you have been to, and place a map on your profile showing where > you've been and where you want to go. > > I was thinking of a similiar app for LDS temples. You could display on the > map a world map, showing the location of each temple open, under > construction, and announced, then, athe user could select which temples they > have been to/attended. You could even mash it with Google Earth, so that > you can click on a temple and be taken to its location on Google Earth/ > Maps... > > So, those of you that are smarter than me with PHP, if you want to, have > at it. Let me know if I can help. > That's a great idea James! I'll add that to my list of things to add to the LDS App on Facebook if someone doesn't beat me to just creating a separate application for it. -- Jesse Stay VP, 3rd Party Applications WebWave Technologies Incubator Cell: (801) 979-7576 Blog: http://www.jessestay.com ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
Re: [Ldsoss] Digitizing handwritten records by stopping spammers (or vice versa)
On 10/2/07, m h <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Sounds like a good way to do genealogical indexing. Someone should
> tell the church ;)
> Also sounds like an interesting business idea. Farm out captchas to
> blogs, and pay people for using the captcha
>
Seth Godin actually already proposed this idea - it's open for anyone to
try!:
http://sethgodin.typepad.com/seths_blog/2006/12/commercializing.html
Another thing to look into is Amazon's Mechanical Turk:
http://www.mturk.com/mturk/welcome
Jesse
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[Ldsoss] BYU rss feed?
I've got a software program I'd like to develop here soon that will require
regular text updates of BYU (and maybe other college football teams?) games,
especially football. Is anyone aware of a service somewhere that provides
rss play-by-play of BYU football games?
Thanks,
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Re: [Ldsoss] Digitizing handwritten records by stopping spammers (or vice versa)
On 10/2/07, Jon D. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Here's an idea...
> Some of you may have seen today's (and previous)
> Slashdot links on reCaptcha, a cool idea
> that's starting to be more commonly-used:
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7023627.stm
> http://recaptcha.net/learnmore.html
> Basically they're using a CAPTCHA to digitize old
> scanned books.[1]
I blogged about this several months ago. I think it's awesome technology
and a great way to use something intended for another purpose. I've
implemented it on my blog, and strongly encourage any others to use it as
well (have had issues on mobile phones with it however - not sure if they've
worked around that).
Jesse
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Re: [Ldsoss] Query re Program to Determine Speed/Bandwidth
On 9/28/07, Timothy-Allen Albertson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I am getting a consistent 486 MPS dowload when im
> paying for 7 MPS.Does distance from the test
> server make a difference? I am trying to figure this
> out because I do not want to keep this upgraded
> service if i am not getting what i pay for. And I
> have 29 days left to cancel.
This made a big difference to me on cable. I don't know if it helps DSL or
not:
http://www.jessestay.com/articles/2006/12/15/how-to-increase-your-internet-speed/
Distance to the test server does make a difference, but you should get
within at least a Megabit of your peak I believe. From Xmission's test
server I actually get 15 Mb/sec when I'm supposed to only have 8.
Jesse
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Re: [Ldsoss] Query re Program to Determine Speed/Bandwidth
On 9/28/07, Timothy-Allen Albertson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Does anybody know any free software program
> I can download to determine the speed and
> bandwidth of my DSL connection? I just
> upgraded from 1.5 MPS to 7 MPS and want to
> make sure i get what i will be paying for.
> tnx. Tim
http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest
Jesse
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Re: [Ldsoss] lds-scriptures v3.0 release candidate 1
On 9/23/07, Steve Dibb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> It's been a few years, but I've finally got a much cleaner database dump of
> the
> LDS Scriptures ready to push live. I'd like it if someone could take a look
> at
> it though before I do a final release, though. As far as I can tell, the
> actual
> schema and data rearrangements are all done, and all that's left to do is
> finish
> writing up the documentation. That can be tedious and time-consuming, so
> it'll
> be a few days, but in the meantime, if you find any bugs, please let me know.
Thanks for your hard work on this Steve! As I mentioned I'm using
this on the LDS Facebook app, and it's currently being used by near
8000 users on Facebook. Your work is making sharing the scriptures
with others much, much easier from a development perspective. Thanks
again for all the effort you put into this Steve.
Jesse
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Re: [Ldsoss] Wards and Stakes
On 9/5/07, Thad Van Ry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> The rights and use section of that website says, in part:
> "You may view, download, and print material from this site only for
> your personal, noncommercial use unless otherwise indicated."
> I think you are missing the personal part here. I see this as meaning
> that I can view, download, and print material from that site for my
> personal use, not the use of others.
> Thad
>
I am curious, though, the reasoning for protecting just the names of the
Wards and Stakes? Is anyone aware of why this would be protected outside of
personal use? I understand personal data, but I would think allowing
publication of Ward and Stakes, and even locations would be beneficial in
spreading the word even further on where your local LDS congregation meets.
Is there a file anywhere I can get this from without violating the Church's
EULA through scraping Mormon.org? My only other option is to have users
type in their Wards and Stakes, which bring in chances for inaccuracies.
Jesse
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Re: [Ldsoss] Wards and Stakes
So what about just Ward and Stake Names (and countries)? I'd like to scrape
the Ward, Stake, and Country data from
http://www.mormon.org/worshipwithus(unit names only from that url, no
membership or other data at all) and
store the Wards, Stakes, and Countries in some sort of parseable data file
for others to use. My desire is to have users of the LDS Facebook App to be
able to choose previous Wards and Stakes that they have been in, and find
old friends that are also on Facebook that have also been in those Wards and
Stakes at the same time. Would the Church be ok with this? Do I need to
get written approval to do this - it seems your EULA doesn't want this to
happen since I would be gathering data from the site.
The Church should really look into writing a few Facebook apps of their
own. There are some excellent missionary opportunities there with an entire
access to an API of linked friends. It's the ultimate member missionary
opportunity! Of course, my LDS App will also do the same thing. :-)
Jesse
On 9/5/07, Tom Welch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> LUWS is the Local Unit Web Sites or the ward web sites that hang off of
> lds.org.
>
> Tom
>
> Jesse Stay wrote:
>
> What is LUWS Data?
>
> Jesse
>
> On 9/5/07, Tom Welch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > I'm not sure what the "Facebook LDS App" is but you must be careful not
> > to take LUWS data and post on 3rd party web sites. This data is for your
> > personal consumption only.
> >
> > Tom
> >
> > >>> On Wed, Sep 5, 2007 at 7:14 AM, in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > "Jesse Stay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> >
> > Thanks Steve. For the moment, it's for non-commercial use so if I read
> > that right it should be okay. I might want to approach it differently
> > though, in case any of it does become commercial. It would be really cool
> > if the church could just provide the ward and stake unit data (not member
> > data - only the names of wards and stakes) for free use - there can be a lot
> > of good, wholesome applications built around that data, commercial or not.
> >
> > Jesse
> >
> >On 9/5/07, Steven H. McCown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > You may want to read this first
> > > (http://www.lds.org/portal/site/LDSOrg/menuitem.702d7c3d14dbbb5538da4135f1e543a0/?vgnextoid=897f8a4948743010VgnVCM101f5e340aRCRD&locale=0).
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The URL's kind of long, but it is the church's "Rights and Use
> > > Information" statement.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Here is the privacy information statement
> > > (http://www.lds.org/library/display/0,4945,5167-1-2681-1,00.html
> > > ?)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Steve
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > From:
> > >
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
> > >
> > > On Behalf Of
> > >
> > > Jesse Stay
> > >
> > > Sent:
> > >
> > > Tuesday, September 04, 2007 11:49 PM
> > >
> > > To:
> > >
> > > LDS Open Source Software
> > >
> > > Subject:
> > >
> > > [Ldsoss] Wards and Stakes
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I was just curious if anyone has scraped the Wards and Stakes off of
> > > LDS.org already that might be willing to share it with me? I'm
> > > looking to use this data on the Facebook LDS App, and figured before
> > > writing
> > > the scraper myself I'd see if it has been done before.
> > >
> > > Jesse
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > #!/usr/bin/perl
> > > $^=q;@!>~|{>krw>yn{u<$$ 0gFzD gD, 00Fz,
> > > 0,,( 0hF 0g)F/=, 0> "L$/GEIFewe{,$/ 0C$~> "@=,m,|,(e 0.),
> > > 01,pnn,y{ rw} >;,$0=q,$,,($_=$^)=~y,$/ C-~><@=\n\r,-~$:-u/ #y,d,s,(\$.),&!
> > > #36;1&# 44;gee,print
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> >
> >
> > --
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> > #!/usr/bin/perl
> > $^=q;@!>~|{>krw>yn{u<$$ 0gFzD gD, 00Fz, 0,,(
> > 0hF 0g)F/=, 0> "L$/GEIFewe{,$/ 0C$~> "@=,m,|,(e 0.),
> > 01,pnn,y
Re: [Ldsoss] Wards and Stakes
What is LUWS Data?
Jesse
On 9/5/07, Tom Welch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I'm not sure what the "Facebook LDS App" is but you must be careful not
> to take LUWS data and post on 3rd party web sites. This data is for your
> personal consumption only.
>
> Tom
>
> >>> On Wed, Sep 5, 2007 at 7:14 AM, in message <
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Jesse Stay"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Thanks Steve. For the moment, it's for non-commercial use so if I read
> that right it should be okay. I might want to approach it differently
> though, in case any of it does become commercial. It would be really cool
> if the church could just provide the ward and stake unit data (not member
> data - only the names of wards and stakes) for free use - there can be a lot
> of good, wholesome applications built around that data, commercial or not.
>
> Jesse
>
> On 9/5/07, Steven H. McCown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> > You may want to read this first (
> > http://www.lds.org/portal/site/LDSOrg/menuitem.702d7c3d14dbbb5538da4135f1e543a0/?vgnextoid=897f8a4948743010VgnVCM101f5e340aRCRD&locale=0).
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > The URL's kind of long, but it is the church's "Rights and Use
> > Information" statement.
> >
> >
> >
> > Here is the privacy information statement (
> > http://www.lds.org/library/display/0,4945,5167-1-2681-1,00.html?)
> >
> >
> >
> > Steve
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> >
> > From:
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >
> > On Behalf Of
> >
> > Jesse Stay
> >
> > Sent:
> >
> > Tuesday, September 04, 2007 11:49 PM
> >
> > To:
> >
> > LDS Open Source Software
> >
> > Subject:
> >
> > [Ldsoss] Wards and Stakes
> >
> >
> >
> > I was just curious if anyone has scraped the Wards and Stakes off of
> > LDS.org already that might be willing to share it with me? I'm looking
> > to use this data on the Facebook LDS App, and figured before writing the
> > scraper myself I'd see if it has been done before.
> >
> > Jesse
> >
> > --
> >
> > #!/usr/bin/perl
> > $^=q;@!>~|{>krw>yn{u<$$ 0gFzD gD, 00Fz, 0,,(
> > 0hF 0g)F/=, 0> "L$/GEIFewe{,$/ 0C$~> "@=,m,|,(e 0.),
> > 01,pnn,y{ rw} >;,$0=q,$,,($_=$^)=~y,$/ C-~><@=\n\r,-~$:-u/ #y,d,s,(\$.),&!
> > #36;1&# 44;gee,print
> >
> >
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> >
> >
>
>
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> 01,pnn,y{ rw} >;,$0=q,$,,($_=$^)=~y,$/ C-~><@=\n\r,-~$:-u/
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Re: [Ldsoss] Wards and Stakes
Thanks Steve. For the moment, it's for non-commercial use so if I read that
right it should be okay. I might want to approach it differently though, in
case any of it does become commercial. It would be really cool if the
church could just provide the ward and stake unit data (not member data -
only the names of wards and stakes) for free use - there can be a lot of
good, wholesome applications built around that data, commercial or not.
Jesse
On 9/5/07, Steven H. McCown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> You may want to read this first (
> http://www.lds.org/portal/site/LDSOrg/menuitem.702d7c3d14dbbb5538da4135f1e543a0/?vgnextoid=897f8a4948743010VgnVCM101f5e340aRCRD&locale=0
> ).
>
>
>
> The URL's kind of long, but it is the church's "Rights and Use
> Information" statement.
>
>
>
> Here is the privacy information statement (
> http://www.lds.org/library/display/0,4945,5167-1-2681-1,00.html?)
>
>
>
> Steve
>
>
> ------
>
> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Jesse Stay
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 04, 2007 11:49 PM
> *To:* LDS Open Source Software
> *Subject:* [Ldsoss] Wards and Stakes
>
>
>
> I was just curious if anyone has scraped the Wards and Stakes off of
> LDS.org already that might be willing to share it with me? I'm looking to
> use this data on the Facebook LDS App, and figured before writing the
> scraper myself I'd see if it has been done before.
>
> Jesse
>
> --
>
> #!/usr/bin/perl
> $^=q;@!>~|{>krw>yn{u<$$ 0gFzD gD, 00Fz, 0,,(
> 0hF 0g)F/=, 0> "L$/GEIFewe{,$/ 0C$~> "@=,m,|,(e 0.), 01,pnn,y{ rw}
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[Ldsoss] Wards and Stakes
I was just curious if anyone has scraped the Wards and Stakes off of
LDS.orgalready that might be willing to share it with me? I'm looking
to use this
data on the Facebook LDS App, and figured before writing the scraper myself
I'd see if it has been done before.
Jesse
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$^=q;@!>~|{>krw>yn{u<$$ 0gFzD gD, 00Fz, 0,,( 0hF
0g)F/=, 0> "L$/GEIFewe{,$/ 0C$~> "@=,m,|,(e 0.), 01,pnn,y{ rw}
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Re: [Ldsoss] Script to download conference mp3s....
On 8/20/07, m h <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I guess I could add them to this page
>
> http://ldsoss.org/index.php/LDS.org_Hacks_and_Tricks
Yes, please do - that way there will be an archive of what you've written so
others can use it in the future (without them having to search the mailing
list).
Thanks,
Jesse
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Re: [Ldsoss] Alternate way of searching genealogy...
On 8/19/07, Jeoff Wilks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Sounds like social networking for ancestors.
This has been thought of - I am not sure if I'm allowed to say by whom, but
expect the future to be full of technology like this.
Jesse
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[Ldsoss] Facebook LDS App Open Sourcing Code
Hi - it's been quiet on here lately. I'm currently considering the option
of Open Sourcing the Facebook "LDS App", currently which has near 1000 users
and growing. I simply can't take this as a one-man show any more (I've got
too many other ventures I'd like to pursue) and could definitely use all the
help I can get on it. My goals for it are to be the one way of "being LDS"
on Facebook - my intentions aren't to make money on it, unless someone can
take it and do more with it than I can (while keeping it open source and
maintaining the ideals I have set for it), or if I need to recoup the costs
of hosting and maintenance of it. So I recently read about Newscloud, an
entirely open source Facebook application. It got me thinking that I ought
to be able to do the same with the LDS App.
So I thought I'd ask the group - what are your suggestions on the best way
to approach Open Sourcing a Facebook application? It sits on my servers and
only approved code gets published to the app. How can others test their
code before submitting it? Is there a way anyone can think of that would
give others a sandbox to test their submissions before committing to the LDS
app? If this works well, I'd like to expand the code further to a broader
Christian and religious base for an even larger group to contribute.
What are your thoughts? Any suggestions or ideas? I'll probably start over
the weekend by at least publishing the code on Google Code or SourceForge or
something - somewhere that I can host a central repository. I think
applications like this are an ideal use of the LDSOSS group - I encourage
others to do so as well! (and many props to Steve Dibb, maintainer and
writer of the LDS Scriptures repositories - this app uses that and it has
been a huge help!)
Jesse
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Re: [Ldsoss] Facebook
On 8/4/07, Steven H. McCown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I went to facebook, to checkout your app and I was required to register and
> login. As part of the login process, you are required to give your e-mail
> address and the password to access your e-mail account. That's not a
> facebook-specific e-mail/password, but your actual one from MSN, hotmail,
> gmail, etc.
>
> Is that *really* normal?
Well, it's normal for Facebook - my app isn't the thing that requires
your e-mail, it's Facebook so they can communicate with you as users
are trying to add you as friends, Facebook e-mails are received, or
people post to your wall. All that is also configurable within your
Facebook account.
>
> From a business standpoint, I see that every time you get millions of eyes
> together, there is the potential for targeted advertising revenues. I get
> that.
>
> However, I'm wondering if someone could explain to me what is the attraction
> to these social networking sites... Why do they instantly spring up and get
> millions of members? I see the benefits to the sponsors and the owners of
> the sites, but what do you see as the benefits to the subscribers?
The attraction is it creates your own "personal internet". I'm
finding as I use it, I'm now in touch with friends I haven't talked to
in ages, and I am more capable of sharing with them how my life is
doing. I have more control over what I can and don't want to share
with others, as only my friends are able to view my personal
information now. Personal info is good, so long as only those you
want to have it, have it, and Facebook and some of the other social
sites make this possible. IMO e-mail is becoming obsolete to some of
these services. Because it's a controlled atmosphere your potential
for spam and control of spam is much lower. Yes, you do give them
your e-mail (I actually gave them 5 of mine), but they only send you
notifications telling you about things that are going on with your
Facebook account. You can even turn that off and have those sent to
your cell phone via text message.
That's why I use it at least.
Jesse
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Re: [Ldsoss] Testors for FamilySearch API, Developer Website, and Support
On 8/3/07, Justin Findlay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Something I remember from the Tech Talk is that the licensing the church
> wanted for code to interface with the family search API seemed too
> restrictive, meaning that if Jesse or I wrote WWW::LDS::FamilySearch we
> couldn't license it under the GPL or host it on CPAN, and it would be
> precluded from being distributed as bundled with other software. Am I
> understanding this correctly? My general impression was that the code
> couldn't be licensed in a way that was open source compatible which is
> ironic and disappointing considering the ostensible Open Source
> endorsement I've previously sensed from the church especially in this
> program.
I agree - that would be very disappointing. I know it would be very
hard to get open source developers to latch on if they couldn't
retrieve and share code via their normal means that they're used to.
You may be able to catch a few businesses that see this as a growth
opportunity (I'd argue even they would be skeptical, as a restrictive
license is hard for business too), but your average developer who
might want to write something just for the fun of it or for the good
of mankind may not join that effort without allowing distribution in
this manner. Wikinomics is your friend...
Jesse
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Re: [Ldsoss] Testors for FamilySearch API, Developer Website, and Support
Doh - sent that to the list, well, now you all know how to contact me. :-)
Jesse
On 8/3/07, Jesse Stay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am very interested in having access to the API. Here is the
> information for me:
>
> Name: Jesse Stay
> Address: 5835 S 3230 W, Taylorsville, UT, 84118
> Phone: 801-305-4663
> Programming Languages: Perl, PHP, C, Java/JSP/Servlets
> Experience with Web Services: have written several apps for the
> Facebook platform, worked with Yahoo and Google in writing Keyword
> submission interfaces
> Years of programming experience: Have been programming since age 10 -
> 20 years total, 10 in the workforce
> How I would like to use the API: I would like to write a Perl wrapper
> around it and submit it to CPAN so when it is released there is a way
> for Perl developers to use the API.
>
> Jesse
>
> On 8/3/07, Gordon Clarke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > LDS Developers,
> >
> > We are finally inviting developers to try out our new (yet-to-be released)
> > API for reading and writing to our new FamilySearch Family Tree online
> > application. The table of contents of the API Documentation is below. We
> > would like participants to spend 6 to 10 hours over a three week period
> > testing out the "restful API", commenting on our documentation, sample
> > client code, and the developer network website. Participants will be
> > provided temporary accounts to access a "sandbox" that has a full working
> > system. If you're interested please provide:
> >
> > Name:
> >
> > Address:
> >
> > Phone:
> >
> > Programming language(s):
> >
> > Experience with Web Services:
> >
> > Years of programming experience:
> >
> > Description of how you would like to us the API (in addition to login and
> > simple reads):
> >
> >
> > You will be contacted by phone or email and then sent access information
> > before the testing period begins. The number of participants may be limited
> > depending upon the level of interest.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> >
> > Gordon Clarke
> > FamilySearch Developer Services Manager
> > 801-240-0770 work
> > 801-253-6365 cell
> >
> > ---
> > Contents
> > About This Document 4
> > Notes about This Draft 4
> > Conventions 4
> > Introduction to the FamilySearch™ Application Programming Interfaces 6
> > Purpose of the FamilySearch APIs 6
> > Downloading, Installing, and Validating the FamilySearch APIs 6
> > Audience 6
> > Strategy 6
> > Use of REST 6
> > Encoding 7
> > Encryption and SSL/TLS Server Authentication 8
> > User Authentication 9
> > Throttling 9
> > Schema 9
> > Versioning of the FamilySearch APIs 10
> > Errors 11
> > Product Identification 13
> > API Scenarios 14
> > Adding a New Person to the Family Tree 14
> > Adding a New Assertion to the Family Tree 14
> > Updating from the Family Tree 15
> > Publishing Changes to the Family Tree 18
> > Working with Ordinance Assertions 20
> > FamilySearch Family Tree API Services 22
> > Purpose of the Family Tree API Services 22
> > Strategy 22
> > Data Model 22
> > Assertion Ordering 28
> > Person Read Service 30
> > Person Update Service 35
> >Search Service 41
> >User Read Service 45
> > Match Service 46
> > FamilySearch Authorities API Services 50
> > Place Authority Service 50
> >Name Authority Service 53
> > Date Authority Service 54
> > Culture Authority Service 56
> > FamilySearch Identity API Services 59
> > Purpose of the Identity API Services 59
> > Maintaining Authenticated Sessions 59
> >Protecting User Credentials 59
> > Login Service 59
> > Logout Service 61
> > Glossary 64
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Re: [Ldsoss] Testors for FamilySearch API, Developer Website, and Support
I am very interested in having access to the API. Here is the
information for me:
Name: Jesse Stay
Address: 5835 S 3230 W, Taylorsville, UT, 84118
Phone: 801-305-4663
Programming Languages: Perl, PHP, C, Java/JSP/Servlets
Experience with Web Services: have written several apps for the
Facebook platform, worked with Yahoo and Google in writing Keyword
submission interfaces
Years of programming experience: Have been programming since age 10 -
20 years total, 10 in the workforce
How I would like to use the API: I would like to write a Perl wrapper
around it and submit it to CPAN so when it is released there is a way
for Perl developers to use the API.
Jesse
On 8/3/07, Gordon Clarke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> LDS Developers,
>
> We are finally inviting developers to try out our new (yet-to-be released)
> API for reading and writing to our new FamilySearch Family Tree online
> application. The table of contents of the API Documentation is below. We
> would like participants to spend 6 to 10 hours over a three week period
> testing out the "restful API", commenting on our documentation, sample
> client code, and the developer network website. Participants will be
> provided temporary accounts to access a "sandbox" that has a full working
> system. If you're interested please provide:
>
> Name:
>
> Address:
>
> Phone:
>
> Programming language(s):
>
> Experience with Web Services:
>
> Years of programming experience:
>
> Description of how you would like to us the API (in addition to login and
> simple reads):
>
>
> You will be contacted by phone or email and then sent access information
> before the testing period begins. The number of participants may be limited
> depending upon the level of interest.
>
> Best regards,
>
>
> Gordon Clarke
> FamilySearch Developer Services Manager
> 801-240-0770 work
> 801-253-6365 cell
>
> ---
> Contents
> About This Document 4
> Notes about This Draft 4
> Conventions 4
> Introduction to the FamilySearch™ Application Programming Interfaces 6
> Purpose of the FamilySearch APIs 6
> Downloading, Installing, and Validating the FamilySearch APIs 6
> Audience 6
> Strategy 6
> Use of REST 6
> Encoding 7
> Encryption and SSL/TLS Server Authentication 8
> User Authentication 9
> Throttling 9
> Schema 9
> Versioning of the FamilySearch APIs 10
> Errors 11
> Product Identification 13
> API Scenarios 14
> Adding a New Person to the Family Tree 14
> Adding a New Assertion to the Family Tree 14
> Updating from the Family Tree 15
> Publishing Changes to the Family Tree 18
> Working with Ordinance Assertions 20
> FamilySearch Family Tree API Services 22
> Purpose of the Family Tree API Services 22
> Strategy 22
> Data Model 22
> Assertion Ordering 28
> Person Read Service 30
> Person Update Service 35
>Search Service 41
>User Read Service 45
> Match Service 46
> FamilySearch Authorities API Services 50
> Place Authority Service 50
>Name Authority Service 53
> Date Authority Service 54
> Culture Authority Service 56
> FamilySearch Identity API Services 59
> Purpose of the Identity API Services 59
> Maintaining Authenticated Sessions 59
>Protecting User Credentials 59
> Login Service 59
> Logout Service 61
> Glossary 64
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Re: [Ldsoss] Testors for FamilySearch API, Developer Website, and Support
I should mention this is an excellent opportunity for you to be a
contributor to open source - this should be an opportunity for us to
write libraries (WWW::LDS::FamilySearch?) for the various languages we
write in, so when it is released there is something out there for
others to use.
Jesse
On 8/3/07, Gordon Clarke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> LDS Developers,
>
> We are finally inviting developers to try out our new (yet-to-be released)
> API for reading and writing to our new FamilySearch Family Tree online
> application. The table of contents of the API Documentation is below. We
> would like participants to spend 6 to 10 hours over a three week period
> testing out the "restful API", commenting on our documentation, sample
> client code, and the developer network website. Participants will be
> provided temporary accounts to access a "sandbox" that has a full working
> system. If you're interested please provide:
>
> Name:
>
> Address:
>
> Phone:
>
> Programming language(s):
>
> Experience with Web Services:
>
> Years of programming experience:
>
> Description of how you would like to us the API (in addition to login and
> simple reads):
>
>
> You will be contacted by phone or email and then sent access information
> before the testing period begins. The number of participants may be limited
> depending upon the level of interest.
>
> Best regards,
>
>
> Gordon Clarke
> FamilySearch Developer Services Manager
> 801-240-0770 work
> 801-253-6365 cell
>
> ---
> Contents
> About This Document 4
> Notes about This Draft 4
> Conventions 4
> Introduction to the FamilySearch™ Application Programming Interfaces 6
> Purpose of the FamilySearch APIs 6
> Downloading, Installing, and Validating the FamilySearch APIs 6
> Audience 6
> Strategy 6
> Use of REST 6
> Encoding 7
> Encryption and SSL/TLS Server Authentication 8
> User Authentication 9
> Throttling 9
> Schema 9
> Versioning of the FamilySearch APIs 10
> Errors 11
> Product Identification 13
> API Scenarios 14
> Adding a New Person to the Family Tree 14
> Adding a New Assertion to the Family Tree 14
> Updating from the Family Tree 15
> Publishing Changes to the Family Tree 18
> Working with Ordinance Assertions 20
> FamilySearch Family Tree API Services 22
> Purpose of the Family Tree API Services 22
> Strategy 22
> Data Model 22
> Assertion Ordering 28
> Person Read Service 30
> Person Update Service 35
>Search Service 41
>User Read Service 45
> Match Service 46
> FamilySearch Authorities API Services 50
> Place Authority Service 50
>Name Authority Service 53
> Date Authority Service 54
> Culture Authority Service 56
> FamilySearch Identity API Services 59
> Purpose of the Identity API Services 59
> Maintaining Authenticated Sessions 59
>Protecting User Credentials 59
> Login Service 59
> Logout Service 61
> Glossary 64
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Re: [Ldsoss] Facebook
On 8/2/07, Stewart Foss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> That is great. I agree, it'd be great to see more LDS focused apps on
> facebook. I created one a little while back that is pretty similar to yours
> Jesse, it allows you to add a Scripture Verse to your profile from a list of
> your favorite verses from Scripture Tag (http://www.scripturetag.com). You
> need a Scripture Tag account to make it work, but I'm thinking I might that
> requirement.
Excellent Stewart! I didn't see your addition earlier - that is
great! Mine isn't going to be scripture-specific eventually, so I
don't think we're stepping on the same ground - in fact, we should
work together. Thanks for correcting the group link - I noticed that
just a second ago.
FYI, I've changed the name of the app to "LDS" - I've received some
comments that the "I'm a Mormon" name is a bit "in your face",
especially for business folk on there. This ought to be a little more
subtle, while still serving it's purpose.
Jesse
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[Ldsoss] Facebook
I know not all of you are into it, but for anyone that is a Facebook
user right now I just created an LDSOSS group on Facebook. Please
feel free to join so we can see who else is on there - I see this as
another excellent way to spread the word about LDSOSS. The url to add
the group is:
http://www.facebook.com/apps/application.php?id=4292630759&pwstdfy=a99fa523d33d482b392a82ce8468901e
Also, for those interested, I just wrote the first complete Facebook
app for Mormons. I call it "I'm a Mormon!". It utilizes Steve Dibb's
lds_scriptures database to randomly generate a scripture quote from
the 4 standard works (thanks for your work on that Steve!). If you
have suggestions for a better name I'm all ears, as I hear some are
hesitant to have that on their profile. The url to add that is:
http://www.facebook.com/apps/application.php?id=4292630759&pwstdfy=a99fa523d33d482b392a82ce8468901e
I highly suggest others write similar apps for Facebook - there is a
strong lack of Mormon centered apps on there and I think a lot of
members of this group could easily get on and create an app
themselves. This is a great missionary opportunity!
Jesse
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[Ldsoss] Fwd: [Fwd: RE: Employment Opportunities]
Here's a correction for one of the last e-mails:
Jesse
-- Forwarded message --
From: Thayne Harbaugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Jul 26, 2007 12:19 PM
Subject: [Fwd: RE: Employment Opportunities]
To: Jesse Stay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Jesse,
Errr, looks like I provided the wrong phone number for Darrell Hunt.
Forwarded Message
> From: Darrell Hunt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: Employment Opportunities
> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 12:03:34 -0600
>
> Thayne,
>
> Thanks for the follow up. My new office number is 553-2570 ext. 109.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Darrell
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[Ldsoss] Fwd: Employment Opportunities
One more from the church (how many recruiters does the church have there?):
Jesse
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From: Daysi Martinez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Jul 26, 2007 10:00 AM
Subject: Employment Opportunities
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
My name is Daysi Martinez, I work as an LDS Church recruiter for the
Information and Communication Systems Department. I found your resume
in our database and wanted to let you know that currently, the Church
has numerous technical opportunities that I think would be of interest
to you. If interested, give me a call my number is 801-240-2630 or
e-mail me. My e-mail address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have
friends who might be interested, please feel free to forward my
contact information to them. Thank you!
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[Ldsoss] Fwd: Employment Opportunities
Sorry to forward a forward, but this was posted to plug today and I
thought it would be more appropriate here:
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From: Thayne Harbaugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Jul 25, 2007 4:47 PM
Subject: Employment Opportunities
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I passed on some good employment opportunities. If any of you are
interested then please contact Darrell Hunt:
Office 801-676-3149
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
HirePointe Management Group
www.HirePointe.com
Positions:
1) Open Source Developer
2) QA Engineer
Descriptions attached. Both positions are with the LDS Church.
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Description
Want a job where you can contribute to a variety of open source projects
and communities? We need a seasoned software engineer to work on
large-scale distributed enterprise monitoring software. This monitoring
system interacts with all our enterprise systems, not just monitoring
internal statistics and state, but also measuring availability from an
end-user perspective. The candidate will leverage existing open source
technologies (and invent new ones) to interact with both proprietary and
open systems such as videoconferencing, VoIP, enterprise web
applications, messaging, database, antivirus, etc as well as a variety
of specialized vertical applications. We want as much of our code as
possible to be included in the upstream projects, so understanding the
open source methodology, mentality, and programming standards is
crucial.
Qualifications
Required:
* Must be a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day
Saints, currently temple worthy
* Bachelor's degree in related field
* Expert knowledge in the C/C++ programming language in the UNIX
environment.
* Demonstrated expertise in multi-threaded programming with POSIX
threads (pthreads)
* Expertise in scripting languages, specifically Perl, PHP and
bash
* 10+ years programming experience under UNIX.
* Hands-on knowledge of UNIX software development tools such as
gcc, gdb, dbx, svn, profile.
* Demonstrated expertise in distributed programming.
* Ability to develop Web based applications according to the CGI,
dynamic serve-side HTML generation and database access.
* 5+ years database programming. Requires solid knowledge of
database design, normalization and query optimization. Expertise with
MySQL and Oracle.
* Demonstrated experience in the full software development life
cycle, including design, maintenance and debugging methodologies.
* 5+ years network programming experience, specifically developing
client/server apps using TCP and UDP protocols.
* Experience with a variety of current network application
protocols such as HTTP, SNMP, LDAP, SSL, SMTP, etc.
* Ability to diagnose low-level problems at the OS and network
levels using appropriate tools.
* Solid understanding of network infrastructure components such as
VPN, firewalls, NAT, etc.
* Experience with the Open Source development model
* Ability to develop accurate work estimates and to deliver on
time.
Desired:
* Nagios experience
* RRD experience
* Hands-on experience in developing Java applications.
* Demonstrated experience in developing and extending monitoring
systems.
* Experience in Object Oriented design and the proper
identification and implementation of OO patterns.
Contact
Office 801-676-3149
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
HirePointe Management Group
www.HirePointe.com
QA Engineer
Description
The successful candidate will function as an internal consultant to QA
project leads and will work with a QA project lead to help solve
customer issues. He/she will give presentations of work at QA meetings
in a clear and concise manner and will work with development to help
troubleshoot coding problems.
The successful candidate will work on test script automation procedures
using a variety of software programming languages including Perl, C++,
Java, SQL and Visual Basic as the specific job requires. He/she will
perform simple tool development and test automation tasks for individual
projects or components and participate in design reviews on code written
by development engineers. He/she will develop and maintain documents,
train staff on test automation and environment simulation tools, and
collect basic QA metrics. He/she should be able to debug and step
through a major component of the product being tested. Examples include
the ability to identify and locate resource leaks and/or out-of-bounds
conditions. He/she should possess the ability to use at minimum, two
3rd party software tools proficiently. Examples i
[Ldsoss] Ancestry and DNA
I saw this on Slashdot today:
http://www.lawbean.com/2007/06/18/ancestrycom-to-add-dna-test-results/
I know the church at one time was collecting DNA info on a volunteer
basis through an Eagle project awhile back. I know I spit into a cup
and gave info for that. I am curious if the church might ever release
that information to the individuals that participated so they can add
their DNA results to Ancestry's project? Or could the Church be
working on something similar? I know there's a rumor circulating in
my family that we are related to John Adams through an illegitimate
child, which the Adams family would never admit to. It would be nice
to prove that through DNA.
Jesse
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[Ldsoss] Call for Open Meta Standard
I can't think of a better name to call this, so I am naming it an
"open meta standard". The idea is this: we should be able to markup
documents, such as scripture readers like MarkMyScriptures, save the
markup, highlights, and notes in an open format, and then apply that
markup into other documents with the same content. So with
scriptures, it would be cool to be able to take my markup from
MarkMyScriptures on my PDA and apply it to scriptures.lds.org, for
example. The possibilities for such a format are endless - I'm
curious as to what ideas the group may have on this, and if there is
something already out there I should be promoting to get other
application developers to adopt. Please see my blog post today for
more details (sorry for the blog spam - just easier to post details in
one place and discuss here than post twice):
http://www.jessestay.com/articles/2007/06/18/call-for-open-meta-standard/
Let me know your thoughts, and how we could promote this and get
something like this going!
Jesse
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Re: [Ldsoss] Mediawiki or something else?
On 6/4/07, Richard K Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
And integration with Facebook Platform is a whole other topic to
discuss... :)
I see you read my blog :-) That, I can help with.
Jesse
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Re: [Ldsoss] Mediawiki or something else?
On 6/4/07, Richard K Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Thank you, all, for your suggestions on CMS systems for
MormonTestimonies.org. I'll look at Drupal and the few others
suggested here.
Richard,
Let us know what you come up with. I'm looking for one as well.
Jesse
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[Ldsoss] Captcha for the Good of Humanity
I don't know who else saw this article on Slashdot recently, but I
thought this would be an excellent endeavor for the Church and Family
History work:
http://www.networkworld.com/community/?q=node/15522
Jesse
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Re: [Ldsoss] PHP web components?
On 5/19/07, Kevin Wise <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I know I could roll my own (I have done my share of ajax), but at a
certain level it seems like a waste of time if someone else has already
packaged it into something that frees me from having to write
boilerplate JavaScript code. It's even better if it's a suite of tools
that use a similar approach, so I don't have to learn a new API for each
component. I guess I should have been more specific. Thanks for the url,
I'll evaluate it.
Kevin
Google yui - there are a dozen others, but I have taken a preference
to Yahoo's yui libraries. It uses prototype, so is a little
higher-level than just using prototype, and I know they have a module
that does what you're looking to do.
Jesse
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Re: [Ldsoss] Fireside talk on the Internet
On 5/15/07, Steven H. McCown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
This is a kinder and gentler news list, but my ... you are brave
;-)
Steve
I've been beaten up many times before on other lists - I welcome it
here as well. ;-) I wouldn't say I'm a Microsoft apologist, but
rather an unbiased realist that sees each OS for its strengths. No
one said OSS was Linux only, after all. :-) BTW, beware with Vista -
with lack of driver support you *will* have issues with many apps (I'm
sick of the BSOD when syncing my iPod!).
Jesse
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Re: [Ldsoss] Fireside talk on the Internet
Windows Vista has excellent parental control features. It allows you
to set up child accounts, allow when you want your kids accessing the
internet, what applications they run and when, and track what they are
doing on the internet. All of this is built in to Vista.
Jesse
On 5/15/07, Stacey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
This is most likely way off topic but I don't know of a better forum to
post something like this. If you think this is way off topic then just
email me directly ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). I''ll repent and take this subject
off-line with who ever would like to chat about it.
I have been asked to give a fireside talk to educate parents on what they
should know about the Internet and how to protect their children. I am sure
this group has lots of good ideas, web links, and maybe even a presentation
they gave on a similar subject they would like to share. I would especially
like to hear about Windows based solutions and ideas because for me and my
house, we run Macs. In fact, I have been pretty much Windows free for
about 7 years. I do use Parallels Desktop for the Mac to run PAF (since it
only comes in the Windows flavor).
I would especially like to hear about:
* Inexpensive software solutions for parental control and content filtering.
FYI, for the Mac I personally recommend Mac Minder
(http://www.lumacode.com/macminder/) for general parental
control.
>From what I understand, all the parental control features of Mac Minder
will be included with the next release of Mac OS X. For content filtering
I have used Content Barrier from Intego
(http://www.intego.com/contentbarrier/) but mainly rely on
DansGuardian running on my BSD-based firewall. Of course, installing and
configuring DansGuardian is beyond the capibility of the average parent.
* Configuration options in Windows for parental control. From what I
understand Microsoft has added some parental control features to their new
OS, similar to what Mac OS X has now.
* Ideas for keeping your kids and teens "safe" on the Internet.
* Talks given on this subject especially those from LDS sources.
* If your ward or stake has given firesides or talks about this subject.
What did they talk about?
* Experiences with consumer (home) products such as routers or gateways
that include content filtering.
* Web links to sites that have good ideas for the average parent.
Thanks in advance,
-stacey.
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On 4/24/07, Scott Barber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
FYI: I've updated the SpicyWardWeb Greasemonkey script by adding both
google and yahoo map links to the addresses and Skype Out links for
the phone numbers. I'm working on these links for the leadership
directory pages, but have abandoned my vonage click-to-call feature
for obvious reasons :)
http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/8357
I've added this as a new section under the ldsoss.org home page called
"LDS.org Hacks and Tricks". The URL is:
http://ldsoss.org/index.php/LDS.org_Hacks_and_Tricks
Feel free if anyone is aware of other Greasemonkey (or other hacks and
tricks) scripts to add them to that page.
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Re: [Ldsoss] MDP project -- PHP database abstraction layer
Just curious - is Justin Vincent any relation to Jesse Vincent, the
Perl Hacker? That would make for an interesting family dynamic.
Jesse (Stay)
On 4/23/07, Sean Gates <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Steve Dibbs,
(This is the only way I know how to get you a message; your email addressed
on the site below bounced.)
I noticed on the MDP site ( http://scriptures.nephi.org/) you were going to
build an abstraction layer. I have been using EZSql for years, which has no
licensing restrictions (As per Justin Vincent, the author). I can send you
the package if you like.
Justin has also written some scripts for full text searching in a MySQL
database which may come in handy for you. Please let me know if I can help
steer you to them.
Keep up the great work!
Sean
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[Ldsoss] Mormon Digg users come together on Came2Pass.com
For any of you who are digg users, you might like the new feature I
added to Came2Pass.com. Now, when you sign up, and in your profile,
you can enter your digg user name. After entering, it automatically
gets added to 2 categories on the side of the page that show other
Mormon Digg users' submitted and voted-for stories on Digg.com. I
think this will be an excellent way for Mormons on Digg to come
together, see each others stories, and make friends. There are tons
of uses for this - I think we're only scratching the surface.
http://www.came2pass.com/Miscellaneous/Are-You-Digg-User-1/
Let me know if you have any suggestions. BTW, the Pligg module that
does all this is sitting on my server right now. Be ready very soon
to see this released to the community for use in other Pligg sites.
Of course, if you don't use digg, you can ignore this (wait - you
already read it). ;-)
Jesse
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Re: [Ldsoss] "LDS.org tips and hacks"
I'm working on getting permission to edit the front page, and assuming
there are no reasonable objections, I'll add that category.
Jesse
On 4/10/07, Big Daddy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Agreed!
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I love this idea. I, for one, could use a little step-through on how
to do the Greasemonkey thingie. And what better place for it than at
LDSOSS wiki?
Tom
On 4/10/07, Jesse Stay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm just curious, what does the group think about adding a "LDS.org
> Tips and Hacks" addition under the "Projects" section on the front
> page? From there we could add this Firefox Extensions and
> Greasemonkey Scripts page. Is there a better place this could be put?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jesse
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[Ldsoss] "LDS.org tips and hacks"
I'm just curious, what does the group think about adding a "LDS.org
Tips and Hacks" addition under the "Projects" section on the front
page? From there we could add this Firefox Extensions and
Greasemonkey Scripts page. Is there a better place this could be put?
Thanks,
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On 4/10/07, Paul Penrod <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
To change things up a bit. Ran into a couple of interesting articles
on Firefox extensions that may be of value:
20 must-have Firefox extensions
http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9011975
Top 10 Firefox extensions to avoid
>http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9015599
We should add a "Firefox and Greasemonkey Scripts and Extensions" page
to the ldsoss wiki. This may be a good way to encourage others to
contribute their own LDS focused extensions and scripts. My cousin
and I have often contemplated writing some good scripture marking
tools in greasemonkey for the lds.org scripture pages. I'm sure there
are many other tools that could be written.
Jesse
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Re: [Ldsoss] Some things you guys might be interested in
I'm getting a 404 on the greasemonkey link below. Awesome idea though!
Re: the Vonage script, do you have to have the softphone feature of
Vonage to use it? Or is there some way to make calls from my computer
without paying extra for a softphone account using my normal Vonage
account?
Jesse
On 4/9/07, Scott Barber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
For your consideration: I've thrown together a greasemonkey script
(Firefox w/ Greasemonkey plugin) that links the ward web membership
directory to google maps.
http://scott.barberfam.com/wp/2007/0...picy-ward-web/
I'm excited about the greasemonkey script I wrote as it opens the door
to other cool hacks. I'm working on a vonage "click to call" script
next for lds.org. You guys have any other ideas for cool greasemonkey
scripts?
Also - a couple of friends of mine have thrown together a cool site:
http://ifyeareprepared.org/about
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Re: [Ldsoss] Re: wikipedia becoming anti-mormon?
On 4/5/07, Sean M. Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Perhaps one could've argued that a slight rewording was necessary for
clarity. (Perhaps "comparable" rather than "in-line".) I can't imagine
why this is cause to imagine that this segment of the article was part
of the anti-mormon propaganda machine. I think that despite the partial
citation you point out, the article was clear that we are in fact
significantly different from Arius in our theology. It just seemed,
pretty darned fair and I wouldn't have minded sharing it with all my
friends and neighbors without the slightest hesitation. I probably
wouldn't be comfortable mentioning that overzealous mormons launched a
brief cyber-political holy war (battle) attacking a fairly NPOV comment
describing our religion.
I only showed that article as an example of inaccuracies about Mormons
on wikipedia. I realized quickly after the fact when the author
stated his reasoning in the discussions that he had no ill intentions
against us. I'm not saying any more the Arianism topic is
"anti-mormon" (while I would argue to say the First Vision article did
have some anti-mormon biases in it). I am simply saying it was worded
wrong, nor was it cited with examples of people comparing us with
Arians. We were arguing a point that hadn't been argued against us in
the original context. I will agree to disagree when I say I don't
feel Mormons should be on that list. I think any further discussion
should go on the discussion page at wikipedia - since we seem to
disagree that may be the best place to hash it out.
I don't think this is improper use of the list - I've learned a lot
about wikipedia from this discussion and how we can help spread truth
through the use of it. I hope others have too.
Jesse
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Re: [Ldsoss] Re: wikipedia becoming anti-mormon?
On 4/5/07, Sean M. Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
*[[Mormons]], followers of the various churches of the [[Latter Day
Saint movement]], who believe in the unity in purpose of the Godhead
but that Jesus is a divine being distinct from, and created by, God the
Father, but similar in every other respect (thus roughly
[[Homoiousian]] rather than [[Anomoean]]). Thus, Jesus is literally
(spiritually) the Firstborn of the Father. Also in line with Arianism,
Mormons believe that the pre-incarnate Jesus (the Logos of John 1)
created the Earth under the direction of the Father. In fact, they go
further than most on this point, equating the pre-existent Jesus with
Jehovah, the God of the Old Testament (perhaps as a spokesman for the
Father, for whom they reserve the Old Testament title Elohim). Although
the LDS Church views the doctrinal schisms of the late Roman Empire as
a sure sign of the [[Great Apostasy]], they do not officially claim any
allegiance to Arius.
(original description from Wikipedia)
My point was that was not "in-line with Arianism", nor did it show how
it was in line with Arianism. I see no reference to Arius' teachings
that supports that doctrine. If that was supported with non-original
sources, maybe I would agree with it more, but to me it seems it is
just trying to make a point that we have teachings similar to Arius',
which I do not believe is the case, and can support with non-original
sources.
While maybe it was inappropriate to mention the Nicene creed in a
public forum, I highly suggest all read the wording of the original
Nicene creed. While of man, and not inspired, I believe it was a good
reflection of what the early Christian church believed - in fact,
President Hinckley encouraged church members to read it, and compare
it against the vision that Joseph Smith had. The wording does not
specifically state that God the Father and Christ are one being in
digit form as the current Christian world believes it to mean, nor
does it suggest that the Father and the Son are spirits as is defined
by other Christians. It states the Son is of the "same substance" as
the Father, aka, in our belief, they both have a body, and that the
Son was "begotten, not made" - aka the Son was eternal even before
this life. The Nicene creed was put in effect to answer Arian claims
that the Son was created out of nothing, "made". The final part of
the creed states "But as for those who say, There was when he was not
(aka there was a time when he was not), and, Before being born he was
not, and that he came into existence out of nothing, or who assert
that the Son of God is of a different hypostasis (there is some
evidence this word was suggested to be added by the Emporer
Constantine, and is the only contribution by himself) or substance, or
who is subject to alteration or change -- these the Catholic (in those
days this meant "Universal") and apostolic Church anathemetises."
That final paragraph I think summarizes a lot of what the Arian church
was teaching at the time. I think based on the wording, and our
understanding based on the vision of Joseph Smith, we pretty much
agree with most of that. It's all about how one interprets it, hence
why Mormons do not subscribe to the Nicene creed - the Joseph Smith
vision is just so much clearer, and inspired of God, not man!
President Hinckley suggested when talking about our faith we invite
others to bring all the truth from their faith and let us add to it!
I think this is an example where that can happen. While we do not
subscribe to the Nicene creed, through Joseph Smith's vision in the
sacred grove we have a much clearer vision of what the Nicene creed
was trying to say, and therefore a better vision of what Arius was
actually teaching that was so blasphemous. The Nicene creed, when
clarified by Joseph Smith's vision of the Father and the Son, only
makes me more proud of the truthfulness of our faith.
Okay, I realize not all that would be put in a wikipedia article - I
think my first paragraph sums up my point in wanting to remove it or
clarify from a wikipedia standpoint.
Jesse
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On 4/5/07, Thomas Haws <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I am sorry to hear (unless it was solely original research and
unattributable) that the problem has been solved by deletion.
Most of what was there before was original research that I could tell
- there were very few citations to backup the claims. I had clarified
the Mormon section before it all got deleted to try and point out both
sides of the story, supported by well backed citations, so I at least
did my part. I've suggested in the discussion that research be
provided to show examples of claims where other religions have been
claimed to be "Arian-like" in their beliefs, along with counter
examples of why those religions are not indeed Arianistic per the
definitions presented. I think it could be done, with proper
citations and backup, and so long as the full story was presented.
Jesse
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Re: [Ldsoss] Re: Ldsoss Digest, Vol 39, Issue 5
On 4/5/07, Sean M. Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
It looks to me like the comparison between the teachings of our church
and the teachings of Arius is rather easy to make and they rather
explicitly made it. We differ in some rather significant respects, but
that doesn't negate the reality that there are similarities.
Nevertheless it didn't seem to matter whether or not there was a
tangible connection. The point of the listing was that people perceived
a connection and they used the term "Arian" derisively to describe us. I
think it's a shame that we should launch a jihad on a non-issue such as
this. It just makes us look paranoid, simple, and/or desperate for
attention. There is so much of real anti-mormon activity.
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Anti-mormon or not, it was disinformation about us and very POV
(point-of-view). Regardless, the poster of that section has removed
the list of religions and just left that "some religions are still
considered by others to be Arianistic". I think that is much more
NPOV and leaves it up to the reader to decide who that is.
Jesse
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Re: [Ldsoss] Re: wikipedia becoming anti-mormon?
On 4/4/07, Thomas Haws <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
The Wikipedia answer (yes, there is an answer), is to cite authorities
and experts, and if there is significant disagreement on a subject, be
sure to cite all sides fairly and sympathetically.
Regarding the specific passage in question here, an applicable
official Wikipedia policy might be "No original research" [[WP:NOR]].
In other words, if no scholarly or ecclesiastical source can be found
that discusses the idea, you have good backing to request that the
article not "go there". Simply cite [[WP:NOR]] (after reading it, of
course) and say, "Cite your sources, or please leave it out."
There are so many facts (citations of existing sources) to be added to
Wikipedia that there is really no time to be arguing for interesting
original conclusions.
Would my current statement on there be proper? I figure while people
are so interested in keeping Mormons on there, that I just be honest
about the Mormon position with cited sources so all can see what we
really believe. If any have sources that contradict my points on
there, please feel free to discuss them on the "discuss" page.
Or would it just be better to remove it with [[WP:NOR]] as you suggest?
Jesse
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Re: [Ldsoss] Re: wikipedia becoming anti-mormon?
That's pretty correct, but it doesn't support how we can be compared
to the teachings of Arius. I do not think we believe Christ is
subordinate to the Father, but One with the Father, as all other
Christian faiths believe (minus the 1 being and Spirit thing). We
also do not believe that at one time Jesus did not exist. We were
intelligences forever, and all have existed forever. I think if you
were to study what Arius actually taught you would see he wasn't
necessarily teaching this thing either. Arius taught that Christ was
created out of nothing, not begotten, and he taught against the
doctrine of eternity. He also taught that Christ was not of the same
substance as the father (Hence the entire reason for the Nicene
Creed). We believe that Christ, born with a body, was of the same
substance of the Father. The thing is, with so many things lost in
the Christian religions, the secular view of Arius is much different
than ours, so we can easily get pegged in the category that follow his
teachings. I don't think we really want to be in that category
though, as Arius, I think even among Mormons, would be a heretic.
The references I've listed on the discussion page (and now in the
article) go over all this in detail. It's a great paper I've linked
to in there - I highly recommend reading it if you haven't.
Jesse
On 4/4/07, Peter Whiting <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Wed, Apr 04, 2007 at 04:30:12PM -0600, Jesse Stay wrote:
> On 4/1/07, Jesse Stay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >One other example is the topic "Arianism". Mormons are listed as
> >supporters of Arius on wikipedia. If you think we actually are, I
> >highly suggest you research what Arius actually taught, as I really
> >don't think we want ourselves in that category. Were he to preach
> >today I'm pretty sure we too would see him as a heretic as the early
> >Christians did. I tried to remove us myself from there, even
> >including strong evidences and references as to why we shouldn't be
> >included, but it promptly got put back in, with no good reference as
> >to why we're included.
>
> I have stated my point against Mormons supporting Arius here:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Arianism#Mormons_Support_Arius.3F
>
> I have also removed Mormons from the list under:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arianism#.22Arian.22_as_a_polemical_epithet
>
> Any support and help from those on the list in keeping it the way it
> is now will be very appreciated. The last time it was put back with
> no reason why.
It is back, and IMO it is well worded. From the section "Arian as
a polemical epithet":
"Like the Arians, many groups have embraced the belief that Jesus
is not the one God, but a separate being subordinate to the
Father, and that Jesus at one time did not exist."
and just before the list:
"The group so labeled do not hold beliefs identical to Arianism.
For this reason, they do not use the name as a self-description,
even if they acknowledge that their beliefs are at points in
agreement with, or in broad terms similar to, Arianism.
"Those whose religious beliefs have been compared to or labeled as
Arianism include:"
and finally, the mormon listing states:
"Mormons, followers of the various churches of the Latter Day
Saint movement, who believe in the unity in purpose of the
Godhead but that Jesus is a divine being distinct from, and
created by, God the Father, but similar in every other respect
(thus roughly Homoiousian rather than Anomoean). Thus, Jesus is
literally (physically, by God placing his own seed within Mary,
thus making Jusus both mortal and divinity) the Firstborn of the
Father. Also in line with Arianism, Mormons believe that the
pre-incarnate Jesus (the Logos of John 1) created the Earth under
the direction of the Father. In fact, they go further than most
on this point, equating the pre-existent Jesus with Jehovah,
the God of the Old Testament (perhaps as a spokesman for the
Father, for whom they reserve the Old Testament title Elohim).
Although the LDS Church views the doctrinal schisms of the late
Roman Empire as a sure sign of the Great Apostasy, they do not
officially claim any allegiance to Arius."
Looks right to me.
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[Ldsoss] Re: wikipedia becoming anti-mormon?
On 4/1/07, Jesse Stay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
One other example is the topic "Arianism". Mormons are listed as
supporters of Arius on wikipedia. If you think we actually are, I
highly suggest you research what Arius actually taught, as I really
don't think we want ourselves in that category. Were he to preach
today I'm pretty sure we too would see him as a heretic as the early
Christians did. I tried to remove us myself from there, even
including strong evidences and references as to why we shouldn't be
included, but it promptly got put back in, with no good reference as
to why we're included.
I have stated my point against Mormons supporting Arius here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Arianism#Mormons_Support_Arius.3F
I have also removed Mormons from the list under:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arianism#.22Arian.22_as_a_polemical_epithet
Any support and help from those on the list in keeping it the way it
is now will be very appreciated. The last time it was put back with
no reason why.
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Re: [Ldsoss] wikipedia becoming anti-mormon?
On 4/3/07, Shawn Willden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I think that's an excellent idea, and would probably be very well-received by
those who are interested in NPOV and clear exposition of the known facts.
Those whose agenda is to confuse wouldn't like it, but they'd have a hard
time arguing against it.
Shawn.
This would be a great use for the LDSOSS wiki - specify topics on
wikipedia that need to be worked on, and who is watching them and
volunteering to work on them. As new topics are discovered we can add
them to the LDSOSS wiki.
Again, I want to specify (since this is archived), we still need to
remain objective. It's important that *all* references are specified,
not just one side of the story. I really like the way fairwiki does
it - while still a little biased towards our faith, they state the
issues argued against us, and what sources those issues are based on,
and then the sources stating otherwise or supporting the Church's
opinion (or facts). IMO, wikipedia should be just as informative on
both sides of the fence as fairwiki, if not more.
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Re: [Ldsoss] Re: Ldsoss Digest, Vol 39, Issue 1
I haven't checked today to see if these have been added, but we might
want to consider some of the witnesses listed on fairwiki as well -
they usually do a somewhat decent job of citing what they put there (I
think we obviously would want to cite the source, not fairwiki):
http://www.fairwiki.org/index.php/Joseph_Smith_did_not_know_if_God_existed_in_1823
Here's fairwiki's response to all the First Vision issues. There's a
lot of great citations and witnesses there representing more than
what's stated on the wikipedia article:
http://www.fairwiki.org/index.php/First_Vision_accounts
Jesse
On 4/2/07, Bill Pringle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
At 11:21 AM 4/2/2007, "Thomas Haws" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I have a lot of Wikipedia experience, particularly in the LDS area, and I
>have system administrator privileges there. I know at least one other
>participant on this list is an experienced Wikipedian.
>
>The Wikipedia community stalwarts are fiercely committed to a non-negotiable
>policy of non-bias. The non-bias policy states that all significant points
>of view must be represented appropriately and that when any point of view is
>represented, it must be done with a sympathetic tone. The best way to
>improve Wikipedia is to present all information of interest with source
>citations as though you were explaining to your teenage kid all the
>diversity of opinion and information in the world regarding the First
>Vision.
>
>For the First Vision article, it would be appropriate to include a statement
>that in the LDS Church the 1838 account of the vision is canonical.
^^
I agree. In fact, I just edited a change to the First Vision article
to make it more NPOV (Neutral Point of View). The only way for
Wikipedia to become anti-Mormon is for LDS to avoid the site.
It is important to realize that neutral means that all points of view
are respected. Therefore, you will read things like "Joseph Smith
claimed to have a vision ..." A faithful LDS person would rather
read "Joseph Smith had a vision". However, that would not be
permitted. It works the other way as well: "Cirtics claim ..." when
anti-Mormons would probably want things like that stated as facts.
It is important to respect this neutrality. At one point, somebody
made a bunch of biased edits to some article. It was found that the
IP Address was in the church offices, and so that raised quite a
stink. The conclusion was that it was just an over-zealous employee
rather than an organized effort to bias the articles, but if too many
such incidents were to happen, it would have caused a real problem.
I hesitate to mention this (for fear things will get knocked out of
balance), but I have been working on the article "Mormonism and
Christianity", which attempts to compare the two viewpoints. In
addition to a number of LDS editors, we have a protestant who is
asking some really good questions in trying to understand what we
believe and why. If you get the right mix of people, then articles
can come together very nicely. If, however, you get too many zealots
(from either side) working on the article, it can get quite tedious,
but even the most obnoxious are helpful in that they can detect bias
in places that we wouldn't notice.
IMHO if an article is well-balanced and truly NPOV, then neither side
is happy with it. ;^)
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Re: [Ldsoss] wikipedia becoming anti-mormon?
It appears that since I've posted this on this and a few forums, based
on the history, it's been changed several times today. The last time
it was changed before that was March 23. I think it's important we
keep watch of these Mormon-related articles, and as missionary work,
ensure they are distributing correct information. So, the current
version may be more accurate now than it was before. After work today
I'll go through and see if I can add as well if anything is still
needed. I suggest everyone here watch these pages as well and be sure
inaccurate or missing doctrine isn't added (or taken away). I think
for such a broad site as wikipedia, that is supposed to be unbiased,
it is our duty to be sure the entire truth is being made manifest.
Jesse
On 4/2/07, John M. Shaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Jesse,
As I read through the pages I felt that the page was very fair and pretty
academically rigorous maintaining a civil tone (definetly not the tones of
the ANTI-Groups). I've read much of our own scholars analysis of the First
Vision accounts and they seem to follow the same lines, seems to me like
this could be right out of Richard Bushman writings if he did an analysis of
the 1st Vision.
-John
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Subject: [Ldsoss] wikipedia becoming anti-mormon?
I raised this question on the mormonapologetics.org forum recently,
but it seems no one has a good answer on how to fix it. I figure with
this list having so many at church headquarters, and other smart
people that have used wikipedia way more than I have, there might be
some good ideas brought about here.
My issue is it seems wikipedia is taking an anti-mormon slant lately.
Some of the critical items that this Church is based on have now been
seized by anti-Mormons to give an anti-Mormon slant to those topics.
The main example I give is the topic "First Vision". Wikipedia seems
to mention account after account of the First Vision, almost to prove
the 1838 account in our Pearl of Great Price is wrong, without any
backing evidence to the contrary (look at fairwiki.org - there is
plenty of backed evidence from actual sources to the contrary).
One other example is the topic "Arianism". Mormons are listed as
supporters of Arius on wikipedia. If you think we actually are, I
highly suggest you research what Arius actually taught, as I really
don't think we want ourselves in that category. Were he to preach
today I'm pretty sure we too would see him as a heretic as the early
Christians did. I tried to remove us myself from there, even
including strong evidences and references as to why we shouldn't be
included, but it promptly got put back in, with no good reference as
to why we're included.
So, my question is - does anyone have any good ideas how we as a
community can fight back and get the *full* truth out there? Is it
worth our time? Is this something the Church needs to attack from a
higher level? Are they aware of it?
If this is one of those items that we should just ignore, I'm fine
with it, but I figure this group would be as good as any to be put to
use in fighting such tactics. What are all of your thoughts?
Jesse
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[Ldsoss] wikipedia becoming anti-mormon?
I raised this question on the mormonapologetics.org forum recently,
but it seems no one has a good answer on how to fix it. I figure with
this list having so many at church headquarters, and other smart
people that have used wikipedia way more than I have, there might be
some good ideas brought about here.
My issue is it seems wikipedia is taking an anti-mormon slant lately.
Some of the critical items that this Church is based on have now been
seized by anti-Mormons to give an anti-Mormon slant to those topics.
The main example I give is the topic "First Vision". Wikipedia seems
to mention account after account of the First Vision, almost to prove
the 1838 account in our Pearl of Great Price is wrong, without any
backing evidence to the contrary (look at fairwiki.org - there is
plenty of backed evidence from actual sources to the contrary).
One other example is the topic "Arianism". Mormons are listed as
supporters of Arius on wikipedia. If you think we actually are, I
highly suggest you research what Arius actually taught, as I really
don't think we want ourselves in that category. Were he to preach
today I'm pretty sure we too would see him as a heretic as the early
Christians did. I tried to remove us myself from there, even
including strong evidences and references as to why we shouldn't be
included, but it promptly got put back in, with no good reference as
to why we're included.
So, my question is - does anyone have any good ideas how we as a
community can fight back and get the *full* truth out there? Is it
worth our time? Is this something the Church needs to attack from a
higher level? Are they aware of it?
If this is one of those items that we should just ignore, I'm fine
with it, but I figure this group would be as good as any to be put to
use in fighting such tactics. What are all of your thoughts?
Jesse
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[Ldsoss] Creating Modules With Pligg
For any of you that use Pligg, I've written a new document on how to
write Pligg modules. This ought to be a good way to get you into
giving back to the community. I realized there wasn't much
documentation on this out there, so thought I'd help out the
community. I hope it can be of help to some.
http://www.jessestay.com/articles/2007/03/09/how-to-create-modules-in-pligg
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Re: [Ldsoss] Scriptual Quote Contextual Links
Perfect! I would still like to have a javascript version for use on
other sites and in other languages. It makes it nice and easy for the
site administrator, and allows the even greater audience of those on
services such as blogger to use it. Perhaps multiple libraries for
multiple languages will be necessary - I agree about the search engine
thing. I'd be interested to hear from your friends. Perhaps you
could point them to my blog and we could start a discussion in the
comments section of that page.
Jesse
On 3/9/07, Richard K Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Mar 9, 2007, at 3:16 PM, Jesse Stay wrote:
> I posted this article on my blog today:
>
> http://www.jessestay.com/articles/2007/03/09/contextual-scripture-
> link-ads
>
> I was wondering what the group's input was. Has this already been
> done? Can you think of any way to make the idea better? I'd love to
> provide something like this as a service to the community.
>
Jesse, the first two WordPress plugins listed here sort of do this:
http://blog.moregoodfoundation.org/2006/12/three-wordpress-plugins-
for-mormon-bloggers/
Both plugins insert server-side links into WordPress posts, instead
of using Javascript, which I think is good for search engine
rankings. One big question is how to decide which links to link to.
I know both of the developers of these two plugins if you want to get
in contact with them. I like this idea and still think it could be
perfected and more widely adopted.
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[Ldsoss] Scriptual Quote Contextual Links
I posted this article on my blog today:
http://www.jessestay.com/articles/2007/03/09/contextual-scripture-link-ads
I was wondering what the group's input was. Has this already been
done? Can you think of any way to make the idea better? I'd love to
provide something like this as a service to the community.
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Re: [Ldsoss] food storage co-op web site
Awesome Mary! There are 3 places I suggest submitting this in
addition to the list to give it a little more exposure. The first is
the ldsoss.org wiki - it gets fairly high search engine exposure. The
second (well, I'm biased because I run it) is Came2Pass.com. The
third is sustaind.org, a similar site run by Connor Boyack. I think
both Connor's and my sites have similar purposes - to make publishing
of good content on the web easily accessible and visible by other
members of the Church.
Jesse
On 3/5/07, Mary Shaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I just wanted to share with you a little project I've been working on the
past few months: http://www.providentpeople.net
There is an organization here in town that has many (but not all) LDS
members. It is strictly a volunteer organization. They have regular email
newsletters, and several times a year they order items in bulk to give
members a discount. This month they are ordering 2 semi-trucks of food from
Walton Feed in Idaho. Delivery will be made to the Colorado Springs area.
This type of group was new to me when I first heard of it; is it something
that any of you have where you live?
They came to me when I first moved into town a year ago, asking me to put a
simple credit card processing script on their server, but the organization
grew so quickly that it got to a point where it really couldn't grow any
more without some more online support. Hence, I've spent some heavy
volunteer hours getting this new site up and running.
It has custom membership and ordering systems, and over the course of the
year I'll put in a CMS for their email newsletter.
I'd love to get any feedback on the site.
Thanks,
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Re: [Ldsoss] Introduction - Richard Butt
Thanks for the Intro Richard. Welcome to the list! It would be
interesting to somehow find out more about all the members of the list
- I know we span across the globe.
Jesse
On 2/19/07, Big Daddy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
By way of introduction:
My current ward is: Lakeside Ward, Tucson Arizona Rincon Stake
Current Calling:Assistant Ward Clerk, Membership (Called Feb
11.2007 - Last Sunday)
Recent Callings: Ward Website Administrator (Wilmot Ward, Tucson
Arizona East Stake)
Assistant Ward Clerk,
Membership (Graham Ward, Washinton)
My Reasons for joing this list:
I am a Techno Junkie. I enjoy most things techie and play around when I can.
Being a Techno Junkie I am always in ways/shortcuts to make life, work, and
my church life
- More efficant
- More Enjoyable
- More Accurate
- More Technology (esp. computer) related
In Grattitude for what I have been given, and because of a genuine love of
people, I love to help others with anything that makes their lives happier,
easier, or more Christ orientented.
I genuinely love helping people.
The more I learn the more that I am aware that there is more that I don't
know that I should or that I want to know.
I found this as I was just curiseing the net. Thanks for making this
resource, as well as the related websites, available to any and everyone.
Richard Butt
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Re: [Ldsoss] Ward Boundaries
Also, I did some research - while there is currently no Zillow map
API, they explain that they retrieve boundary data for each household
from county records. Each county stores the geocode info for each
point in a property boundary. I think this is publicly available in
most counties - Zillow has just gathered it all in one place.
If one could access this information, in conjunction with coordinates
of ward and stake boundaries, one could do a full plot map of a ward.
I have a feeling zillow will release a map API eventually though (they
already have an API for their home estimates) - once this is done, you
can use their API to see each household, house numbers, and then tie
it into your own programming to store info about each individual in a
ward.
Jesse
On 2/10/07, Ed Ashton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Currently the church has two GIS analysts/technicians that work on upkeeping
all boundary changes up to date. They work on a few other projects but, yes
the church does have the boundaries for all the units in the world (or they
are working on drawing them out). In any event, the only way you can get
the official boundaries is have your stake president make a request to
church hq. Then the GIS department will send the stake president a jpg of
the stake with the boundaries mapped out. However the last time I talked
with the GIS department they have been instructed by the brethern not to
realease this information to anybody but stake presidents. However if you
can get the jpg you could use a georefrencing program like
http://research.microsoft.com/mapcruncher/ to plot out the boundaries.
(Haven't used mapcruncher, need to verify that user is not uploading picture
to public view)
Also to note, now that http://wardmap.theballfamily.org/intro.asp has been
closed down there have been other alternatives. Such as
https://www.moregoodfoundation.org/wardmap/ by Richard K Miller
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>. In this mashup none of the membership
information is kept by the site. It is being dynamically displayed.
For a more focussed use you could download many of the opensource GIS's out
there and map out the boundaries yourself. Search QGIS or Udig, or download
a 60 day trial version of ArcView from Esri.
Ed Ashton
From: "Jay Askren" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Ldsoss] Ward mapping application
Along the same lines, I'm working on desktop app which shows a map of the
ward and where everyone lives. I use a Yahoo web service to geocode the
addresses, and then I use Geotools(http://geotools.codehaus.org/) to display
the map. One thing I would really like to add to my maps are the ward
boundaries. I would need the ward boundaries encoded as a shape file or at
least in some digital format, so that I could convert the data to a shape
file. Is there any chance that the church has this data and that an open
source developer could get access to it?
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Re: [Ldsoss] Came2Pass
Thanks Mary - didn't think of that. I'll have to look at how Pligg is
delivering the pages and see if I can insert that somewhere.
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On 1/30/07, Mary Shaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Sorry. My mistake. Just one charset:
Content-Type: text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1
Mary
On 1/30/07, Mary Shaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You can put the character set encoding into your HTTP header. Then
> the browser will detect the encoding and display it correctly.
>
> Content-Type: text/html;charset=charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Mary
>
> On 1/30/07, Brice Hunt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Jesse Stay wrote:
> > > On 1/29/07, John Harrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >> Looks interesting. I'll have to add it to my bookmarks. There is one
> > >> disconcerting bug. Most of the headlines have question marks in them
> > >> in my browser (firefox).
> > >
> > > Thanks John - I appreciate the feedback. The news headlines that are
> > > on there right now I'm auto importing from the Church's rss just to
> > > get some content on there. My guess is the Church is using a larger
> > > character set than I have enabled in PHP. I'll try to enable that
> > > here soon.
> > >
> > > Jesse
> > >
> > I tested it. When my browser is set to unicode (UTF-8) character
> > encoding, the question marks are there. When I change the character
> > encoding to Western (iso-8859-1), then the question marks turn into
> > dashes. Oh, the joys of multiple character encodings from all over the
> > world. (Occasionally I find a website--usually a news website--written
> > entirely in English that uses some off the wall, completely non-English
> > character encoding for individual characters within the text. At least
> > yours isn't that bad.)
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On 1/29/07, John Harrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Looks interesting. I'll have to add it to my bookmarks. There is one
disconcerting bug. Most of the headlines have question marks in them
in my browser (firefox).
Thanks John - I appreciate the feedback. The news headlines that are
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get some content on there. My guess is the Church is using a larger
character set than I have enabled in PHP. I'll try to enable that
here soon.
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[Ldsoss] Came2Pass
I thought I'd pass this on to the group. I've launched a new website,
similar to Digg.com, for members of the Church. It's called Came2Pass
(http://www.came2pass.com). For those not familiar with Digg, the
users submit the news content, and then the users vote for the content
they like best and the content with the most votes gets moved to the
front page. There is rss on most of the pages that will allow you to
check the front page topics, new topics, topics of a particular
category, you name it in your favorite rss reader. I'm hoping to get
a very large LDS readership so if any incorrect information gets
posted as news or in comments, it self-moderates.
For those curious, I used Pligg as the engine behind it - I will admit
I'm very impressed with how easy it was! The design will probably
change in the near future, and I'll probably be adding some additional
functionality, which I'll be donating back to the Pligg project. If
you all could check it out and let me know if you see any bugs, have
any suggestions, etc., I appreciate it. I think this could be a huge
benefit to Mormons out there (and fun too!). Please feel free to
"pass" it on. Again, the URL is:
http://www.came2pass.com (note the "2")
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Re: [Ldsoss] Ward mapping application
I didn't think about Google Earth. I think we're getting closer to at
least a workaround. I would still like some way to download a plot
map though with actual designs of each property line, similar to
Zillow.com. Anyone know of an API or Web Service that allows access
to such a thing?
Jesse
On 1/26/07, Stewart Foss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Mormon Hacker has a post about a similar idea, only it uses Google Earth, so
the data resides on your desktop computer.
http://mormonhacker.blogspot.com/2007/01/how-to-put-your-ward-directory-on.html
On 26-Jan-07, at 9:57 AM, Jay Askren wrote:
I'm on an email list for ward clerks, and there's been quite a bit of
chatter about the following web site:
http://wardmap.theballfamily.org/intro.asp
I don't know if it is open source but I bring it up because it appears to be
a really cool application, but the same issues are being asked about on the
list that were asked about on our list awhile ago. If one uses this
website, confidential data is being passed to this website that is not
affiliated with the church at all. The website probably belongs to someone
well meaning who isn't storing the data for evil purposes, but there is no
guarantee. Just curious if anyone knows if the church has any plans to make
such an application for the church website. So far I've seen this same
application in two different forms. Both have generated excitement. Both
have also been cause for security concerns since they are not owned by the
church. It would be nice if someone at the church would create such an
application for the church website and then there wouldn't be any need for
people writing their own. If it weren't against my beliefs, I would even be
willing to bet that one or both of the authors of these apps would be
willing to donate the code to the church.
Jay
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Re: [Ldsoss] Notes from Tech Talks
Thanks Richard - I am so excited where the Church is going! I can't
wait to be able to devote my time to projects related to callings I
have and donate those efforts to the Church. I can't wait for a Web
Services platform, and maybe an API for many of the services the
Church provides so I can even further aide in providing tools for
other members. I am excited to see when the next set of tech talks
will be.
I've met Kevin Ward and Gordon Clarke and I really like where they are
going with the Family History program. I really feel the Church now
has a very "forward-looking" IT infrastructure, and it's only getting
better.
Jesse
On 1/26/07, Richard K Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I blogged my notes from 6 of the 8 Church Tech Talks for anybody
interested:
http://blog.moregoodfoundation.org/2007/01/report-on-lds-church-tech-
talks/
There are also links to 5 other people's notes. If you also blogged
about the Tech Talks, let me know and I'll add a link to your post.
Richard
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Re: [Ldsoss] Ward mapping application
On 1/26/07, Jay Askren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I'm on an email list for ward clerks, and there's been quite a bit of
chatter about the following web site:
http://wardmap.theballfamily.org/intro.asp
I would like to see one better. I would love to have a client-side
app that works similar to this, uses Google maps or such to generate
the map, and then plots more than just membership data on the map. As
Ward Mission Leader, I'd like to see names of non-members and have the
ability, on my own computer (not stored remotely anywhere), write
notes about each name, creating a mapped area book of sorts. Ability
to store pictures of individuals (for members, perhaps downloaded from
the ward website), notes about visits and individual circumstances to
pass on to missionaries and other ward leaders, ability to color code
perceived inactives vs. actives vs. non-members. Then I'd like to
take these mapped reports and print them out in various forms.
Right now I am manually doing this with a plot map of our ward
boundaries. I will probably use photoshop to color-code things. It
would be really nice to have all this database-backed and organizable
in many different ways. Does anyone know where Zillow gets their plot
maps from? I'd love to have access to an API that can pull down not
just street and satellite images, but actual plot maps of where each
house in a Ward boundaries is. If I had access to something like
that, it might just be worth it to me and my calling to write a
client-side app that does something like what I mention. I guess I
would also need an API to the stake and ward websites as well. Tom
(Welch) - any word on if the church might allow access to this info in
the future for certain registered software developers? I'd be happy
to sign an NDA or release if necessary in order to write an app that
does this, and donate it to the Church. This would give me huge power
as Ward Mission Leader.
Jesse
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Re: [Ldsoss] One Laptop Per Child
I wonder if the Church could help with these laptops. If a religious
organization were to purchase some and hand them out I wonder if they
would be more likely to get to their intended destinations with
appropriate training. Are they selling these only to governmental
organizations or have they approached charitable ones as well?
Jesse
On 1/5/07, Thomas Haws <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Shawn, you remind me of an excellent quote from a Russian at Slashdot. He
says back in the olden days the only computers they could get in Russia were
gifts from the American People, and they didn't always come with good
documentation or training, and they were left to their wits. Some of them
learned programming via source code that was included with some programs,
even knowing little English. Overall, he says they would have been at a
great loss if somebody had decided not to send the computers because there
was no budget for training and maintenance.
Sometimes you just gotta have a little faith and do the right thing, and
some kids somwhere will be blessed.
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Re: [Ldsoss] Laslo vs Flex vs GWT vs ?
On 1/5/07, m h <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Dojo is sort of bleeding edge, smart people behind it, apache
adoption, a steeper learning curve, bigger download, etc. But they
are really pushing the envelope, having tools for js packaging,
linting, obfuscations/shrinking. Just the other day they announced an
offline tool that will allow web apps to work disconnectedly. (Not
sure any other open source ajax has that yet).
Wow - I've seen this possibility for awhile - glad to see a
toolkit/framework making it possible. Ideally, the connection to "the
internet" should be transparent - the client app shouldn't know one
way or the other if it is connected. There should be "an internet"
layer that tells the computer whether to try and find information
remotely, or locally retrieve information without a connection (or
save posted information for later). This opens up a whole world of
possibilities, especially for those with slow or no internet
connections - one package serves all, essentially. You may have just
converted me to Dojo. :-)
Jesse
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Re: [Ldsoss] Laslo vs Flex vs GWT vs ?
You might also want to consider the yui framework by Yahoo. I
personally enjoy that one, but I haven't done much with Laslo, Flex,
or GWT so I can't compare.
Jesse
On 1/5/07, Jay Askren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I know there are a lot of web developers out there. I'm looking into the
various AJAX frameworks out there and was wondering if someone could give me
a run down of the advantages/disadvantages of the various frameworks. I
know of Laslo, Flex, and GWT. I believe these are all major players in the
AJAX world. Are there other major players I'm missing? Is there any
agreement over which is better than another? Thanks.
Jay
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Re: [Ldsoss] Dinner/meetup before CIO Tech Meeting on Jan 18??
I'll come if I'm available - I need to check my flight times and with
my pregnant wife to see if I'll be available.
Jesse
On 1/4/07, m h <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Fellow geeks-
Would anyone be interested in a meetup/dinner before the Jan 18th
meeting? I attend the baypiggies [1] meetings (when I'm in the area)
and the dinner beforehand is often fun (and amusing).
I'd like to gauge the interest of others here. I was thinking around
5pm for dinner, and there are lots of options nearby the JS Mem
Building . I'm partial to Crowne Burger. But I'm open to other
suggestions for dinner as well.
Please reply back to the list so I can see if people are actually interested.
-matt
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1 - http://baypiggies.net/
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Re: [Ldsoss] Fwd: LDSOSS Tech Talk announcement
On 1/4/07, Shawn Willden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Has a podcast been considered? That would enable the widest interested group
to see it, and we could provide feedback through this list or some other
forum.
I forwarded your response on to Michelle Barber at the Church. I'll
let you know if I hear anything.
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[Ldsoss] Fwd: LDSOSS Tech Talk announcement
I received the below personal invite for everyone on the list for
those interested (I should note I'm not the *only* man behind this -
special thanks go to Charles Fry (who graciously hosts the site) and
many others that helped get this Group going). A lot of this is
already a repeat of what Richard sent, but I wanted to let everyone
know that the Church is very interested to see people from this group
there contributing. I may be in Boston at the time, so I'm not sure
if I'll be able to attend or not, but I'll certainly try! I'm
removing the attachment and copying what was in it below the e-mail:
Jesse
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From: Michelle Barber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Jan 3, 2007 5:05 PM
Subject: LDSOSS Tech Talk announcement
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Jesse,
I understand you're the man behind the awesome ldsoss.org site. I work
in the Church's technology department and am working on a series of
"Tech Talk" events with our CIO Joel Dehlin.
We're inviting I.T. professionals who would like to learn more about
Church technology to come learn from him and other directors.
Attached is content about the event, I'm wondering if you can announce
it on your site and/or through the mailing list. I know you already
announced Joel's blog and it's got great response - thank you!
Please let me know if you have any questions. We would love to have
any of the professionals who participate in your community to attend.
Thank you,
Michelle Barber
ICS Technology Marketing Specialist
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
Office: (801) 240-0623
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Attachment below:
LDS "Tech Talks"
CIO Joel Dehlin and directors in Church Technology invite I.T.
professionals to "tech talks" in various locations to discuss the
technologies that serve the Church's enterprise. System engineers,
software developers & testers, interaction designers and other techies
may enjoy these discussions.
The discussion will focus on:
Communications (Satellite, IP telephony, wireless and building connectivity)
Software development at the Church
Infrastructure and data center issues
Interaction Design
This will be an inside look for those interested at how the Church
builds, designs and implements the Church's technology solutions. This
will not be a discussion of MLS or other features but an opportunity
to learn about development in the Church. No need to RSVP. Feel free
to invite interested friends and colleagues.
Excerpts from the evening will be posted online so those not able to
attend can follow the discussion. Mark your calendars to attend this
opportunity to meet and network with the people directing the
technology of the Church. Future dates and locations to be announced.
Salt Lake City
January 18th, 6:30pm
Joseph Smith Memorial Building, 10th Floor
Note: Please park at the ZCMI center
Provo
January 23rd, 6:30pm
BYU 8th Stake Center (1021 South 500 West)
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Re: [Ldsoss] Podcast Test...
On 12/22/06, Tom Welch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
The Church is looking at the potential of increasing our use of RSS and
podcasts on Church web sites. We have three podcasts on 2 pages of LDS.org.
Two of the podcasts are audio files and one is PDF. We invite you to
subscribe to these podcasts and share with us your perspectives and
thoughts. They will only be available for a limited time.
Please send your comments and feedback to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Have you also submitted these to iTunes? I generally prefer to get my
podcasts from iTunes, as then I can manage them all in one place, and
it makes it easier to determine what to transfer and delete from my
iPod. You might have more listenership, and perhaps some missionary
opportunities by also submitting them to iTunes. I'll still check
them out though.
Jesse
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Re: [Ldsoss] Ward Website Email Broadcasting
I'm curious how involved your Ward leadership is in promoting the Ward Website? I had one Ward that seemed to grasp it better than others, and it happened when all the Leaders started using it and making it as one of the primary means for members to get information. The members were forced to get accounts (due to that being one of the easiest ways to get the info), and as they got used to using it they became more and more enthusiastic about it. Jesse On 12/17/06, James Nickerson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Friday 15 December 2006 10:35, Mary Shaw grooved on as follows: > One thing to keep in mind is that once an account is created, it stays with > that member through all the wards. Since I created my stake & ward web > site account, I've moved twice and been in one ward reorganization. I love > knowing my online registration is linked to my membership record. > > My point is- account creation is a temporary problem. Once every ward > member has created their account, they will not need to re-create it. I > expect online registration will eventually become a routine part of > baptizing/fellowshipping new members. Yeah, and that has the potential to be really great, if people would ever create accounts. The difficulty of acquiring membership information has been cited several times through the course of this thread, and that's certainly a factor... Of course, recently our membership clerk printed off a letter to every member of the ward with their membership # and confirmation date, and also clear, detailed instructions on signing up for lds.org, and passed those letters out to pretty much everyone -- and still very few people signed up. And I'm in a university singles' ward, which is probably about as tech-savvy/comfortable online as it gets. We've encouraged the Elders Quorum members over and over to sign up for it, but instead they seem to prefer calling me for peoples' phone #s, when they have a computer with internet access right in front of them. I get called at work for #s all the time, and of course all I'm doing is logging onto lds.org to get them, myself. I really don't understand why people are so lacking in enthusiasm for such a convenient tool to enhance their participation in an organization that has a greater effect on the course of their lives than any other. Especially in a SINGLES STAKE, where there is GREAT MOTIVATION TO HAVE EASY ACCESS TO CONTACT INFO! It doesn't give me a lot of hope for the online presence of the church at large. > That said, I'll tell you that e-mails are not sent by secure.lds.org in my > ward (Falcon Ward, Colorado Springs East Stake). I overheard someone say > that is because it is "hit and miss" - because not everyone has an account, > they cannot be sure the e-mail is sent to everyone. They prefer to manage > their list of e-mails independently of the web site. Yeah, this could be solved by letting the clerk enter in peoples' email addresses, just like he can their physical addresses and phone #s. Because he can't, we're stuck using the classic forbidden Yahoo Group approach, which has all sorts of problems in addition to bringing perdition down upon us all (because you can get peoples' email addresses from them at church, but you can't get them to sign up for lds.org and enter it in themselves). James > On 12/15/06, Greg Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > As previously mentioned, the two biggest factors in my ward that cause > > ward leaders to dismiss the usefulness of the ward website are 1) Lack of > > support in MLS and the Ward Websites for *personal* phone numbers (cell, > > work, etc..) and 2) Lack of user-friendly email lists. > > > > Regarding Email Broadcasting: First, share email addresses between MLS > > and the Ward Website. It's a real problem that they're not synced > > crrently. Second, allow web admins the ability to subscribe/unsubscribe > > users from ward email lists. Third, allow ward leaders listed on the > > Leadership Directory (non-web admins) unmoderated posting rights to the > > email list. These would break down some major barriers. > > > > After that I would list the difficulty members have of registering. > > > > > 3) Could a member ask the clerk to send an 'invitation' to subscribe to > > > > a > > > > > member's personal e-mail account? This could then be authenticated by > > > > the > > > > > user via their personal e-mail -- kind of like subscribing to the > > > LDSOSS and other news lists. > > > > This is the solution I support the most. It is essentially what my ward > > does right now, albeit a custom perl script that parses Membership.csv > > (exported from MLS), and email's the members their digits accompanied by > > some simple instructions. Just imagine if the clerk could enter a new > > member's email address in MLS, subscribe him immediately to the ward > > email list, see if the member is registered on the Ward Website, and if > > not, click "Invite to Ward Website" which sends a h
Re: [Ldsoss] PAF and the Cyrillic alphabet
Hi Frank,
Joel Dehlin is the CIO of the Church and he maintains a blog at
http://www.ldscio.org. You could always try there. Otherwise, Tom
Welch from the church frequents this list and I'm sure he can forward
your suggestion on to the appropriate people. There are also several
others, including those working on the next PAF replacement on this
list that I'm sure all have read this. If no one responds remind me
again and I'll forward this on tot he appropriate people.
Jesse
On 12/12/06, Frank Reid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi. Here is an interesting message I found on the PAF Insight group at
Yahoo, which I visit often. This man brings up a good point but I don't
know how to get his message to the right people in the PAF
organization. Maybe you do.
Frank Reid
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Re: Removing redundant citations
Posted by: "edward potereiko" [EMAIL PROTECTED] epotereiko9
Mon Dec 11, 2006 11:32 am (PST)
Dear Mr. Lerman:
I read with interest this response.
Since you have some connection with the church, perhaps you can be of
assistance.
My problem has to do with the cyrillic (Russian, Ukrainian) and Polish
alphabets.
I have been a PAF user since PAF 3 in 1997. The alphabets I cited have
more letters
than the Latin alphabet we are using. When one wishes to search foreign
boards or
records or leave messages with a surname, it is completely UNACCEPTABLE to
use the Latin alphabet, which only approximates the sound/name.
PAF finally in their version 5, enhanced their software to include a
form of unicode
which permits me to place the cyrillic or Polish names either in the
name field in
parenthesis, or in my NOTES. I hate the descendency charts and ancestral
charts
that PAF is able to produce, and so have purchased PAF Companion, back when
I was using PAF 4.
When PAF Companion upgraded to PAF Companion 5, at the same time that PAF
updated, I presumed they would use the unicode also and life would be
good. But alas,
they did not, so when I print my Descendency Box Charts, when the Companion
program encounters cyrillic or Polish letters, it prints upside down and
reverse
question marks.
I was told, at the time of the upgrade, by the Companion people, that at
the next
upgrade they would take care of the problem. But they have gone through
at least
two upgrades since, and think that making color charts are a more
important feature
than making the upgrade which permits accurate data to be entered,
reflected and
printed. I was told there are no plans in the works for the change.
Is there any possibility that PAF might add a feature of box charts
similar to PAF
Companion, or any possibility of anyone at the PAF organization, at a
higher up
level, of convincing the higher ups at Companion to make this a priority
? If not,
do you know of any other programs, either supplemental to PAF, or if
need be,
genealogical programs in lieu of PAF, which would have the capabilities
of PAF
and also be able to produce Box charts and produce them correctly
(cyrillic and
Polish)?
Sincerely,
Edward Potereiko
719-576-0752
(a long time frustrated PAF user)
I do have and use PAF Companion, though not the color version and also PAF
Insight. My preference would be to stick with PAF.
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[Ldsoss] ldswebguy's post on ldsoss
Richard Miller pointed this post out to me on ldswebguy's blog today.
He offers a challenge to members of ldsoss. I thought I'd let you
guys know about it so you could participate in the tech talks:
http://www.ldswebguy.com/2006/12/12/open-source-ldsossorg/
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Re: [Ldsoss] Request for New FamilySearch UI Recommendations
On 12/12/06, Gordon Clarke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Jesse,
You commnents are greatly appreciated.
We are looking for a new, intuitive and effective way to assist typical
members (ie.
members with limited computer and genealogical experience) to enter through
a desktop client basic family information about parents, children, spouse(s)
and siblings for up to four generations. Event dates and locations, if
known, should be captured for the birth, death, and marriage of each family
member.
Could you prepare screen samples of your best new, intuitive, and effective
solution?
Well, I don't have anything in the works at the moment so I'm afraid I
can't provide screen shots. It's all in the planning stages ATM.
I'll reply off-list here in a few with what some of my ideas are -
some of these are part of a business idea I have, but for the church
I'm happy to let them incorporate some of these ideas into their own
technology.
Jesse
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Re: Recording in the Chapel [Was Re: [Ldsoss] Shut-ins and the Sacrament Meeting]
What about Baby Blessings - anything in the Handbook about recording
Baby Blessings? I tried to do it once and my Bishop said the church
didn't allow it. It was right before the blessing, so I didn't have
any preparations to record it in another way - so my youngest son
unfortunately has little record of his baby blessing.
Jesse
On 11/30/06, A. Rick Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Stacey wrote:
> (2) I don't believe there is anything in the church handbook about
> making audio (and audio only) recordings of sacrament talks.
I was going to challenge this, but I checked and you are correct. There
is no explicit prohibition of audio recordings of a sacrament service
unless it is a General Authority speaking. If there is a General
Authority, you can take notes for personal use, but even your personal,
hand-written notes should not be distributed. (of course, if this had
been followed historically, we wouldn't have the King Folliet discourse
or a few other 'minor' sermons :-)
> I recall
> there is something about making video recordings and taking pictures in
> the chapel.
Yup, this is explicitly banned! So, if you get married in the chapel
(which is now acceptable), you can't video tape the wedding.
I'm very grateful that we got my Father's last sermon in stake
conference before this prohibition came about. It's a treasure to me
and my children. My Father's descendants would be much poorer without it!
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Re: [Ldsoss] Shut-ins and the Sacrament Meeting
In Virginia, our Elders Quorum used to provide a weekly newsletter
which summarized the meetings. It would be distributed to all the
Elders and those that couldn't attend. With a really good Secretary,
this can be possible.
Jesse
On 11/30/06, Richard K Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
This is a topic we discussed on our blog:
http://blog.moregoodfoundation.org/2006/10/grateful-dead-style-
meetings-or-if-jerry-garcia-were-your-bishop/
http://blog.moregoodfoundation.org/2006/11/ward-blogger/
One of the commenters pointed out that in the most recent General
Conference Elder Eyring told the story of a deacons quorum who
recorded (audio) their class for a quorum member who couldn't
attend. The guidelines are probably stricter for sacrament meeting,
but maybe an exception could be made for shut-ins? Who can authorize
that exception?
On Nov 30, 2006, at 9:07 AM, Tony Fenleish wrote:
> For the record the wards that have done recordings are audio, not
> video.
> Is
> there something against distributing the audio recording of talks?
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "A. Rick Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "LDS Open Source Software"
> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 9:34 AM
> Subject: Re: [Ldsoss] Shut-ins and the Sacrament Meeting
>
>
> | Tony Fenleish wrote:
> | > We have a good amount of shut-ns in our stake, and the question
> was
> | > recently
> | > asked "How can we get the sacrement 'meeting' to our shut-
> ins?". Some
> | > wards
> | > tape it and then take the tape around to the shut-ins. Some
> just take
> the
> | > sacrament to them and they never feel like they know what is
> going on.
>
> We
> | > have about 50 shut-ins stake wide.
> | >
> | > Anyone out there have a unique way in which they work with this
> issue?
> |
> | As a point of information, video-taping in the chapel is not only
> | discouraged, but explicitly banned in the latest hand book of
> | instructions. Given the frequency with which stake conferences and
> | other services are broadcast to gyms and other buildings, and
> recorded
> | in the process, this instruction seems to be more honored in the
> breach
> | then the observance.
> |
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Re: [Ldsoss] Shut-ins and the Sacrament Meeting
How is your Home Teaching program? Perhaps you could assign their
Home Teachers to update them on how Sacrament was the previous week,
and perhaps leave them with a message centered on the topic of
Sacrament Meeting.
Jesse
On 11/30/06, Tony Fenleish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
We have a good amount of shut-ns in our stake, and the question was
recently
asked "How can we get the sacrement 'meeting' to our shut-ins?". Some
wards
tape it and then take the tape around to the shut-ins. Some just take the
sacrament to them and they never feel like they know what is going on. We
have about 50 shut-ins stake wide.
Anyone out there have a unique way in which they work with this issue?
-Tony
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Re: [Ldsoss] Request for New FamilySearch UI Recommendations
What I've found with genealogy is that for people that don't normally
do genealogy, they don't just *do* it without discovering it first.
In the church, in particular, they do it because they've been asked to
participate in a genealogy class, or a class at BYU. So you've got to
keep it fun and as simple as possible. With an interface that draws
people in, encourages them to just happen to "stumble upon" genealogy
as they do it, their genealogy will be done without them even
realizing they did genealogy (such a big and scary word!). So my
recommendation is to have something very simple, almost a game (I've
got ideas I'd be happy to share off-list), that will draw them in at
first, and then allow them to "discover" genealogy once they've gotten
further into the game. Sort of the "milk before meat" principle.
Just my $.02.
Jesse
On 11/22/06, Gordon Clarke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Developers,
We are looking for a new, intuitive and effective way to assist typical
members (ie.
members with limited computer and genealogical experience) to enter through
a desktop client basic family information about parents, children, spouse(s)
and siblings for up to four generations. Event dates and locations, if
known, should be captured for the birth, death, and marriage of each family
member.
Below are some of the methods that we have seen:
* One big form per family where you leave unused siblings or spouse(s)
blank.
* Forms dynamically generated by the number of spouse(s) and children.
* Add persons and info as you need it.
* Pedigree for just names then drill down to add the detail information.
* One big pedigree where you leave unused areas blank.
* Multiple Descendency charts for each set of great-great grand parents
* Many different combinations of the above.
Please respond to this email ASAP, if you are interested in taking time to
prepare a
description of your best new, intuitive, and effective solution. More
details will be
emailed to all respondents.
Best regards,
Gordon Clarke
FamilySearch DevNet Manager
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Re: [Ldsoss] Elders Quorum Organizer
I'm not sure if this is what you're talking about, but ldsoss has a wiki:
http://www.ldsoss.org
Jesse
On 11/15/06, Neeland, Steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
What's the URL for the Ward Website wiki your speaking of?
Thanks.
Steve
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> The great achilles heel of using the church's system for emailing
> is that only
> the individual can edit his or her own email address.
Couldn't agree more. The problem lies in the fact that email
addresses and preferred names are not sync'ed with MLS like phone
numbers and addresses are. I would also add to the achilles the fact
that only individuals, not Admins, can subscribe/unsubscribe email
addresses to specific Email Broadcast groups. These are both on the
Suggestions for Ward Websites wiki and will hopefully not fall on
deaf ears (blind eyes?). Until these limitations are addressed, I
suspect units will continue to stretch the "no ward email groups"
policy, simply because there's no good alternative.
-Greg
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Re: [Ldsoss] cptmoroni.com
What is the domain name?
On 11/11/06, David Wagner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I have this domain name that I am doing absolutely nothing with, it is
registered until 1/31/2008. If anyone wants it I will pass it along to them
(as long as they pay the fees). I would like to see that you are going to do
something creative or useful with it but at this point I would like to just
see it used for anything other than taking up space in my domains list.
It is registered with Godaddy and the first transfer request I receive gets
the domain.
(note that I am not very familiar with the whole transfer process so if I
left something out please ask)
Dave
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Re: [Ldsoss] Non-Web Application Frameworks
I completely agree on this. With the advent of AJAX and javascript libraries and frameworks, it has become very easy, and perhaps more powerful to create client apps on the web (I now consider the web just a method to deploy interactive client applications). Jesse On Nov 1, 2006, at 2:37 PM, Mary Shaw wrote: Have you fully considered the advisability of writing the application as a client app as opposed to a web-based app? I've taken a few such full-blown applications and turned them into web-based apps. As time goes on, I (and my bosses) find more & more reasons to develop new applications as web-based apps rather than client apps, or port existing client apps to the web. There's a lot less fuss when it comes to creating installers, testing & deploying the app on different operating systems, and rolling out updates. Users can access the site from computers other than their main computer (in case of power outages or vacations). Things like look & feel, layout, and buttons & controls can be easily manipulated using CSS and the browser takes care of copy/paste and client-side file access. You also have the ability to send out alert or reminder e-mails if the app requires it. I started a personal project about 3 years ago as a client app but put it down after not very long (family reasons). I'm going to pick it up again soon, and this time I'm going to build it as a web application. I know it will be a better application as well as easier/faster to write. One major concern when deciding between web & client apps is report printing. At my last job, I had to create printed reports from the web, and it was a ROYAL pain - mostly because the customer required it to be exactly like the original app's printed report with pagination and special headers/footers for the first and subsequent pages. But that port was from Perl on Linux to Perl on Windows (it wasn't my decision) and I couldn't find a PDF library. I honestly don't know what kind of PDF creation you can find for Java. If you have good reasons for doing it as a client app, it's my opinion that Swing can do it all and the best thing to tackle all that stuff with would be a good book. Mary On 10/31/06, Mitch Butler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm a low-level OS-type guy with a reasonable amount of Java knowledge. However, I'm a beginner at things like GUIs and Swing. I have an idea for a Java Application that I would like to develop. It will a standalone program that runs on a single machine and must have a reasonably good GUI. I've been teaching myself Swing, and all that stuff is very cool. But I find myself having to write too much stuff from scratch that I know has been done before. Plus my framework stuff doesn't look very nice! I need an Application Framework to hang my code on. I stayed up late last night (too late according to my wife!) searching the Web, and I found a few candidates: Aloe, JSR 296, JGoodies, Eclipse, XUI. There are also a whole host of other frameworks (too many!) that are targeted more at Web-type applications (AJAX, JLense, Radicore, etc.). I don't think I'm ready for those yet. But then I don't know, as I will want to learn Web App development eventually. Anyway, does anyone have experience with those that I mentioned or others that I don't know about yet? I want to be able to quickly and easily prototype my ideas. I'm looking for something that helps me with the following kinds of things: - Error/Exception handling - Logging (of events and special conditions) - Menus, buttons, controls - Window management (changing fonts and styles) - Look and Feel management (I want to try different L&Fs to see what I like) - Tables of data, sortable in different ways, and editable - Printing facilities for reports - Multi-threading (kicking off a background task, and updating the GUI with progress) - Copy/Paste - Message boxes - File access - Properties The one thing I don't need is a database. My data is reasonably small, so I plan to just serialize the objects into a file and reload them into memory whenever the App starts up. That is actually the kind of code that I am pretty good at. It is the GUI stuff that gives me fits. I'm using Eclipse as my IDE, and I especially like the idea of actually using Eclipse as the framework itself (RCP). But that sounds like a huge learning curve and perhaps overkill, and I want to have something working soon in my spare time. Anyway, I suppose if I spent several weeks with each of the above technologies, I could eventually figure out which one meets my needs best. But I don't want to do that right now (lazy me!). So, I'm looking for advice from those who have more experience in this area. ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
Re: [Ldsoss] Recommendations for family history site tools
On Oct 28, 2006, at 10:41 AM, Shawn Willden wrote: What sort of control mechanisms does MediaWiki provide? Ideally, I'd like to allow anyone with an account to add content, but I want to require it to be approved by the relevant section leader before it becomes generally visible. I give everyone access to edit, if they have an account, and absolutely everyone has access to view. I then installed an extension that allows those that edit to "protect" their pages. This only allows those with accounts to view "protected" pages. This allows living data to still be on the website without risk of those not in the family accessing that info. I also asked (through the mailing list) all members to notify me when they sign up so I can be sure to give them "protected" access, allowing them to view and add protected pages (only those with "protected" access can view the "protected" pages).I'm pretty sure there's a setting in there as well that will e-mail me every time a user signs up - I just haven't enabled that yet. I also set up my rss reader to read the edit history page. This then notifies me of any and all edits that are happening on the website. I have about 80 or so cousins and 38 Aunts and Uncles between 2 of these sites, and this hasn't been much work to maintain at all. I also rarely get spam, because I only advertise among family members - you will get more if you don't require members to be members in order to do edits though. There are also other anti-spam features to prevent any of that from happening. I found the wiki idea encourages more people to edit, rather than requiring them to login to edit, organize their data, and then preview it like the CMS's do. The wiki is more straight-forward and simple, in a more "just works" attitude for a large family IMO. However, that may be more control than is really necessary. What do you do to prevent vandalism? Also, do you just use the discussion page for comments? Finally, how hard has it been for people to pick up the markup? One of the advantages I see in Plone is that the kupu editor provides a word processor-style WYSIWYG editor which I think non-technical users may be more comfortable with. The discussion page, with some standards and gentle encouragement from the site admin, is designed for comments in a forum-style if used properly. My Grandparents get on regularly and edit and add stuff - it hasn't been very difficult at all in regards to learning markup, and I usually just tell people if they don't want to learn the markup to just copy and paste their document in and I'll fix the markup later (or other family members can). There are also WYSIWYG extensions for MediaWiki that can be added if that is a concern. For the genealogy parts, you may want to look into PHPGEDView. That looks really cool. Looks like it's packaged by Debian, too :-) How does it handle large databases (mine is aroung 16,000 individuals)? Is it easy to get a GEDCOM back out of it? I haven't integrated the PHPGEDView to be honest - I would rather just post the GEDCOM files on the wiki for others to download and use in their own Genealogy programs at the moment. I've got another idea that will integrate the genealogy stuff a little better, but it's in the thought phase at the moment so I better not reveal it yet. I use Mailman for one mailing list, and Yahoo groups for the other. I'm also considering writing a genealogy extension for MediaWiki that knows how to read GEDCOM files and render on the page. What would that give you that PHPGEDView doesn't? Just one system to maintain is all probably. I've also always wanted to write a nice AJAXy web interface for reading GEDCOM files. If you're looking for more management of GEDCOM and more features then PHPGEDView is what you want. I was mainly just thinking about writing a simple browser extension is all. Jesse ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
Re: [Ldsoss] Recommendations for family history site tools
I just use Mediawiki for my family, and it has worked great. I set up a good howto page in the help section so people could learn how to post stories and other articles themselves, and set up access rights. I also loaded an extension that protects pages from being viewed by non-members if desired. For the genealogy parts, you may want to look into PHPGEDView. I use Mailman for one mailing list, and Yahoo groups for the other. I'm also considering writing a genealogy extension for MediaWiki that knows how to read GEDCOM files and render on the page. Jesse On Oct 28, 2006, at 9:50 AM, Shawn Willden wrote: Hi, I'm setting up a new family history collaboration site for, and I'm looking for tool recommendations. What I want to do is set up a web site that can be managed by the people leading the research efforts about my family. In the past, I ran the site (big pile 'o HTML) and made all the changes, but it's clear that I've become a bottleneck. Obviously, I need some sort of a content management system that makes it easy for non-technical users to manage their own information. There are three primary types of data that will be posted: Text (histories, journals, letters, etc.), images, and genealogical data (the stuff in a GEDCOM). In addition, it should be possible for others to attach comments to each item. Search features are good, too, and we need an easy way to link images, text and genealogical data together. The site needs to be divided into sections for each of my great great great grandfather's (Charles Willden) children, since that's the way the descendants have organized themselves. We haven't decided how to categorize the information about ancestors of Charles Willden. Each section should be managed by a leader, but that leader will probably delegate responsibility/permission for parts or all of their section to other users. The permissions management obviously needs to be both flexible and easy to use. Since there are around 200 people who want to get involved, I don't want to have to manage these permissions; I have to be able to delegate nearly all management to the group leaders -- and most of them are middle-aged to elderly women with just enough computer literacy to use email, browse the web, operate PAF, etc. They are, however, quite motivated. Oh, and there are also be a number of mailing lists, which I'm currently managing manually (i.e. /etc/aliases). I have a Linux Virtual Server running Debian Etch (I want it to be on Stable, but I don't see any point in setting it up on Sarge right now when Etch is inches from release) hosted at rosehosting.com. Great folks, BTW, highly recommended. So far, I think my best option is a combination of Plone for the main site, and Geneweb for the genealogy data. I know Geneweb well, having used it for several years now, but I'm new to Plone, and not entirely certain about it. I have no question it can do the job, but I'm not sure if it's the easiest way to get the job done. I'm considering Mailman for the mailing lists, and there's a Plone plugin that provides a web interface for mailing list management. Has anyone done anything similar? Are there any purpose-built tools out there? Any recommendations to make my life easier, both in setting up the site and in managing it on an ongoing basis? Any and all suggestions welcome, Thanks, Shawn. ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
Re: [Ldsoss] Boy Scouts get a "Respect Copyrights" activity badge
On 10/25/06, Jay Askren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Maybe we need to have someone create another mailing list covering
intellectual property, copyright law, and what is legal and what is not.
This topic seems to come up a lot, and I it seems that people really like to
argue about it. It would be nice if these arguments would move to another
list so we could get back to creating open source software.
I apologize, because I have contributed to the discussion as well. I
personally like the legal and copyright discussions (I don't see them
as arguments), however I see your point here in that whether or not it
is legal or not to download music or video that is copyrighted
probably has nothing to do with OSS or the GPL or other OSS licenses
(if you can link it back to an OSS license I think that would be
okay). I think general copyright discussions ought to be okay on this
list though, so long as they don't venture from the GPL or another
open source license. Perhaps the music/video download discussion
(including my own) should stop though and move to another or new list
(anyone know of a good list to discuss stuff like this?). However,
I'd like to see this list self-regulate itself, so if anyone
disagrees, feel free to state your opinions.
In relation to OSS, perhaps this new Scouting merit badge could serve
as an opportunity to educate Scouts about OSS and licensing/IP
surrounding the various OSS licenses.
Jesse
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Re: [Ldsoss] Boy Scouts get a "Respect Copyrights" activity badge
On Oct 24, 2006, at 7:09 AM, Shawn Willden wrote: On Tuesday 24 October 2006 05:38, Steven McCown wrote: Even if you think that it *should* be okay to illegally download music and videos, at the moment it is not. At this moment it's also illegal to watch legally-purchased DVDs on Linux. Or to rip them and store them on a MythTV video jukebox for more convenient watching (and so that your two year-old doesn't destroy them). For that matter, by the letter of the law it's arguably illegal to convert your CDs to MP3s for listening on your iPod. Now the DVD situation *is* illegal under the DMCA. Breaking encryption algorithms *does* have a specific category under law and people have been found guilty of it. This is separate from Fair Use Doctrine. Again, the question in this instance is "It's illegal, but is it moral?" Jesse ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
Re: [Ldsoss] Boy Scouts get a "Respect Copyrights" activity badge
IANAL but it *shouldn't* be okay to download movies and music that weren't intended to be downloaded for free, but it *is* legal. Fair use doctrine makes it legal for the common user, and I am unaware of any cases that were not settled out of court that were directed towards individuals that did this. In fact, with the old betamax trial I would say it is more *legal* than *illegal*. If you can find a case that actually went through the entire court system and a person was convicted as guilty for downloading music or movies from the internet, I would like to see it. I think the question is, "Is it *moral* or not?" Jesse On Oct 24, 2006, at 5:38 AM, Steven McCown wrote: What you are talking about is what the law *should* be. That can be a good debate and changing the law might be good. Even if you think that it *should* be okay to illegally download music and videos, at the moment it is not. What Scouts should learn by this is that it is, currently, wrong to illegally download music and videos. Scouts who illegally download copyrighted material can and will get caught and be punished. With minors, their parents will also be held liable. This is something that should be of real concern to Scouts and their parents. This badge should help Scouts learn that it is currently wrong to illegally download content and help keep them on the right side of the law. There is nothing 'celestial' about someone violating the law for personal gain. Steve On 10/23/06, John Harrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Steve, You say: What's interesting about this particular piece is that Hollywood is taking an "explain and educate" angle rather than a more confrontational "intimidate and litigate". That's a noteworthy twist given how much piracy costs Hollywood. Actually, Hollywood is taking all those angles at once as well as buying up legislators in order to extend their once limited "rights" in perpetuity and circumvent consumer rights through legislation such as the DMCA. I would love to see the requirements for this patch and see if this is going to educate scouts on the issues surrounding intellectual property rights or it is simply going to be more of the same from Hollywood, that consumers have no rights and that a copyright violation is the equivalent to holding up a little old lady at gunpoint. I'm not saying that copyright violation is a good thing, but that Hollywood consistently mischaracterizes it as the equivalent of stealing physical property, which is a lie. I'm hoping that the material surrounding this program is shocking to me in how even handedly it treats the issues, but I'm not holding me breath. So Steve, what do you think scouts need to know about copyright? later, John On 10/23/06, Thomas Haws < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sounds good to me, depending on how you look at it. Giving away freely is > celestial. Stealing is telestial. Respecting property rights is > terrestrial. The world aspires to keep a terrestrial law. > > > On 10/23/06, Steven H. McCown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I guess they feel that they are losing money to the "internet culture" and > > that they need to re-educate people that it is wrong to steal. While 30 > > years ago, truly honest people would never have dared photocopy a book > (even > > if it was free and instantaneous), the "internet culture" has changed that > > mindset. This new culture has given us other 'experts' such as Napster, > > torrents, etc. that make it technologically easy to do what once was > > considered wrong by the mainstream. > > > > I remember church talks telling us that it was wrong to steal cable TV. > The > > response of some was, "oh, come on, they're not actually losing money on > me, > > because I wouldn't subscribe anyway and it doesn't really cost them more > for > > just 1 more viewer..." It was still stealing even though some had really > > compelling rationalizations... > > > > What's interesting about this particular piece is that Hollywood is taking > > an "explain and educate" angle rather than a more confrontational > > "intimidate and litigate". That's a noteworthy twist given how much > piracy > > costs Hollywood. > > > > If the next generation of net user grows up having learned that it is > wrong > > to copy [not just photocopy], then we may just end up with less litigation > > and that would be a good thing. Wouldn't it? > > > > Steve > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bryan Murdock > > Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 7:51 PM > > To: LDS Open Source Software > > Subject: Re: [Ldsoss] Boy Scouts get a "Respect Copyrights" activity badge > > > > "The movie industry has developed the curriculum." > > > > Oh good, an impartial and fair party, experts in law and the constitution. > > :-P > > > > Bryan > > __
Re: [Ldsoss] Elders Quorum Organizer
On Oct 21, 2006, at 11:00 PM, Bryan Murdock wrote: Yes, but only, like, five ward members have ever bothered to type their record number in and get on the website. Of those five, maybe two have entered an email address. However, when we passed around a clipboard in elders quorum meeting one day, we got 30 email addresses. Hmm, could we put those into the ward website ourselves somehow? A good Ward Webmaster may help with that. When I was Ward Webmaster I worked with the leaders in my Ward to encourage each of them to use the Ward Websites in their quorums and organizations. They then encouraged members of their organizations to check the Ward Website for events rather than just posting them in the Ward bulletin, and began to use the distribution lists for communications rather than calling large numbers of people or sending out bulk e-mails and having to collect e-mail addresses. I then took a second front and started to pass out flyers on how to sign up for the Ward Website, how to use it, and where to go for help. I offered to sit down and help members with it as they needed help. Then, members without internet access could either access it at the Library, or special attention could be given to them by the leaders to ensure they were notified personally. All of this encouraged most of the active members to join the Ward Website, and ended up being a pretty successful system. I am anxious however to see things such as e-mail address be passed from MLS to the Ward Websites. This would allow us to collect e-mail addresses from inactive members and have them included in notifications as well without having to manually send out to them or require them to sign up for the Ward Website. Unless that feature's been added since I was WWM... Jesse ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
Re: [Ldsoss] Home and Visiting Teaching Tool
I would think if that information were allowed to be stored, we would have seen it already stored in the individual Membership records in MLS (or in old days on paper). I'm guessing not having any more info than is needed passed from Bishop to Bishop is a decision made by the General Authorities. Jesse On Oct 21, 2006, at 10:20 AM, Manfred Riem wrote: Hi Steve, You are right on the observations. But for a new bishopric any information is nice to have. Getting that information from the old bishopric is not always the way to go. People see things differently depending on their situation. And your worries about it being documented for all time could easily be fixed, expired the data after x years. Kind regards, Manfred Riem [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.manorrock.org/ Founding Java Champion -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steven H. McCown Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 8:08 AM To: 'LDS Open Source Software' Subject: RE: [Ldsoss] Home and Visiting Teaching Tool With this thread, there seems to be the underlying assumption that the 30% of companionships who actually do their hometeaching will actually take the extra time to write up thoughtful and useful information, monthly. There are those who will enjoy and use this type of system, however, I would postulate that those same individuals are also taking the time (currently) to talk with their EQ Presidency. IOW, who will really benefit from the widespread use of this system? Hometeaching is one of many "people problems", which won't always have a technological solution. Steve P.S. Even if the system was widely used, how many would like their families' status, weaknesses, problems, etc. to be documented [on the web] for all time? Kind of makes repentance (i.e., change) more difficult, doesn't it? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of A. Rick Anderson Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 10:33 AM To: LDS Open Source Software Subject: Re: [Ldsoss] Home and Visiting Teaching Tool Tom Welch wrote: the other concern I have is does this program encourage (indirectly) EQ presidencies and HP group leaders to not talk with their companionships about how the family is doing, instead relying on what is typed in the comments field? Even if the program lead to this results, I'd suggest that that would be more information then the vast majority of leaders are getting today and the comments could actually serve as a spring board to know identify folks for quorum leaders to follow up on personally. Yes, the handbook asks that every HT companionship be interviewed monthly, but that is a directive that is far more honored in the breach, then in the compliance. -- A. Rick Anderson ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
Re: [Ldsoss] FamilySearch Labs - Smart Pedigree Viewer
Yes, I can't wait for them to provide an API to their data. Once that's available I would write my own UI in an instant, and I imagine others would come up with their own uses for it as well. I think rather than developing all these technologies now and then involving the community, if they opened up an API to their database now, they'd find the community would start to develop these technologies themselves, and the church could then leverage what the community has done to write what else might be missing. "Release Early, Release Often" Jesse On Oct 6, 2006, at 5:43 PM, m h wrote: Hmmm, sounds cool but doesn't work on linux (firefox 1.5.0.7). On a related note, this is great that the family search website is being updated. I've tried to use it various times over the last few years and have found it completely unintuitive. I got up to 10 generations done but it was like pulling nails. (If the information is all in there, why did it take me able 6 hours to just download and re-link it all? Only to find out later that my aunt has done a lot more than I have, so in essence I wasted my time, doing a fraction of what someone else has done.) (I'm willing to admit that I'm probably dense so perhaps others know how to use it better, and no I haven't gone to any family history research center since the days when they were all dos based). Hopefully this will bring some Web2.0 goodness to the site and make it easier to find, download, upload and collaborate with others (who have already done the previous steps, but you happen to repeat them since that seems like the only step...) Dan, I don't mean to be too critical but seeing as how the church is sitting on a vast database of genealogical information, giving people an easy way to get at it would be appreciated. -matt On 10/6/06, Dan Lawyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: All, A week or so ago I posted an image of my pedigree in a smart pedigree viewer we've been working on. Many people expressed an interest in playing with the viewer using their own data and I thought this group would be interested. We've just made a new website available (FamilySearch Labs) to showcase interesting new technology we're working on. The first project on the site is our smart pedigree viewer. It allows you to upload your own GEDCOM and view it or view one of our sample files. Go check it out at www.familysearchlabs.org and be sure to use the feedback link on the site to tell us what you think. -Dan NOTICE: This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
Re: [Ldsoss] FamilySearch Labs - Smart Pedigree Viewer
Heh - I was waiting for someone to ask that. No, never worked in Linux. It just waited and waited - nothing came up. It worked great on my Mac though (didn't spend a lot of time on it however). This reminds me a lot of OneGreatFamily.com's Genealogy browser, in fact *very* much like it. Jesse On Oct 7, 2006, at 10:58 AM, Shane Hathaway wrote: Jesse Stay wrote: Awesome work Dan - runs a little slow on my linux machine (still waiting for it to load), but that may just be my machine. Glad to see you took the labs idea and ran with it. Did it actually run in Linux? Flash player 9 is required, but it isn't available for Linux yet. Shane ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
