Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestor Book Report

[Cathy Pinner]

Dennis,
As soon as you enter Unknown you deprive yourself of the different ways
Legacy has of searching for or displaying in Reports that information is
unknown. See the option in Book reorts to add underlines for missing
information and the multiple searches on the Search-missing information tab.

For me, blanks are a far more obvious indicator than any word.

"married unknown" is no better to me than "married someone."

I've already explained how easy it is to change to just "married."

Cathy

On 17 Nov 2017 3:01 AM, "Dennis Murphy"  wrote:

> I abhor blanks as well so I always use "Unknown" when a person or date is
> unknown. Since my reports are usually sent to relatives and/or other
> genealogists, I advisee them to please contact me regarding any of my
> unknowns for which they may have better information. Also it's nice to be
> able to readily spot this missing data and create Legacy search lists for
> particular unknown items before heading out to the various repositories. To
> keep my Master Name index in a logical order, I have a Master Surname as
> (Unknown) so that a completely unknown person appears in my database as
> Unknown (Unknown) - first with no parentheses and surname with parentheses.
> It may seem awkward but it works and keeps well with lists and indices.
>
> On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 4:35 PM, Ruth Mohr <2rgm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> ​  If I go back several generations I have several great (6, 7 , etc)
>> grandparents  with whom I do not know the name of their spouse or I should
>> say the other parent of their child.
>>   When the report is created it shows for example "John Green married
>> someone".  Is there a way to get rid of this statement as I do not they way
>> this looks in reports.
>>   I am using Legacy 9 Deluxe with the latest build.
>>   Thanks in advance for any help.
>> Ruth Mohr
>>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestor Book Report

[Dennis Murphy]

I abhor blanks as well so I always use "Unknown" when a person or date is
unknown. Since my reports are usually sent to relatives and/or other
genealogists, I advisee them to please contact me regarding any of my
unknowns for which they may have better information. Also it's nice to be
able to readily spot this missing data and create Legacy search lists for
particular unknown items before heading out to the various repositories. To
keep my Master Name index in a logical order, I have a Master Surname as
(Unknown) so that a completely unknown person appears in my database as
Unknown (Unknown) - first with no parentheses and surname with parentheses.
It may seem awkward but it works and keeps well with lists and indices.

On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 4:35 PM, Ruth Mohr <2rgm...@gmail.com> wrote:

> ​  If I go back several generations I have several great (6, 7 , etc)
> grandparents  with whom I do not know the name of their spouse or I should
> say the other parent of their child.
>   When the report is created it shows for example "John Green married
> someone".  Is there a way to get rid of this statement as I do not they way
> this looks in reports.
>   I am using Legacy 9 Deluxe with the latest build.
>   Thanks in advance for any help.
> Ruth Mohr
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestor Book Report

[Cathy Pinner]

Ruth,
That's good. I thought it probably did if you hadn't edited the Wording tab.

Yes Jennifer - I just omit the "someone" and leave married

Same for relationships - "had a relationship" though hidden within 
Legacy is another option that overrides that one and it generally reads 
"had a child." Since I prefer that for most cases, I don't fuss too much 
about it.


Cathy


Ruth Mohr 
Wednesday, 15 November 2017 11:45 AM
Cathy,
  Thanks.  I went to the location you mentioned and deleted the word 
"someone" and clicked on "SAVE" and it corrected it on all the people 
I had with no known spouse name.  The "married someone" just looked 
extremely awkward to me.  Right now I just have "married" until I can 
think of something better that would fit.  Thanks again.​



Cathy Pinner 
Wednesday, 15 November 2017 11:04 AM
The Option that controls this is Options - Customise 8.7
You can change the wording there to get rid of the "someone" - I do. 
There is no Apply button or Refresh on the marriage screen so I'm not 
positive that it updates automatically or whether it is for future 
entries. I don't think it overwrites if you have already made your own 
Wording options.


Cathy

Ruth Mohr wrote:
Ruth Mohr 
Wednesday, 15 November 2017 8:52 AM
Thanks Leon.  I will try doing it the slow and correct way.  I was 
hoping for a "one wording fits all" .  Thanks again.  Ruth​



Leon Chapman 
Wednesday, 15 November 2017 8:25 AM
Ruth:

Go to the person that has no wife and click on their Marriage 
information below the two people in family view.

In this window, select the Tab at top that says:  Wording Options.

You can change the wording options to whatever you like there for that 
couple.
Try a few things and print/preview a report and see what your changes 
look like in the report.


You will need to do this for each family you do not have a spouse for 
if you want the wording changed.




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Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestor Book Report

[Ruth Mohr]

Cathy,
  Thanks.  I went to the location you mentioned and deleted the word
"someone" and clicked on "SAVE" and it corrected it on all the people I had
with no known spouse name.  The "married someone" just looked extremely
awkward to me.  Right now I just have "married" until I can think of
something better that would fit.  Thanks again.​

On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 10:04 PM, Cathy Pinner <genea...@gmail.com> wrote:

> The Option that controls this is Options - Customise 8.7
> You can change the wording there to get rid of the "someone" - I do. There
> is no Apply button or Refresh on the marriage screen so I'm not positive
> that it updates automatically or whether it is for future entries. I don't
> think it overwrites if you have already made your own Wording options.
>
> Cathy
>
> Ruth Mohr wrote:
>
>
> Thanks Leon.  I will try doing it the slow and correct way.  I was
> hoping for a "one wording fits all" .  Thanks again.  Ruth​
>
> On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 7:25 PM, Leon Chapman <chap...@gmail.com
> <mailto:chap...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Ruth:
>
> Go to the person that has no wife and click on their Marriage
> information below the two people in family view.
> In this window, select the Tab at top that says:  Wording Options.
>
> You can change the wording options to whatever you like there for
> that couple.
> Try a few things and print/preview a report and see what your
> changes look like in the report.
>
> You will need to do this for each family you do not have a spouse
> for if you want the wording changed.
>
>
>
> ___
> Leon Chapman
> chap...@gmail.com <mailto:chap...@gmail.com>
> -
>
> On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 2:59 PM, frankinthevillages
> <frank.thevilla...@gmail.com <mailto:frank.thevilla...@gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> __
>   ;  I think this can only be changed in the Marriage/Relationship
> Information window for each listing you want to change (i.e.,
> there is no "global" setting for this that I know of).
> With the appropriate Family tab opened, click the Marriage
> Events button (screen center - righthand side), then Wording
> Options and modify or delete the phrase.
>
> By chance, Ruth, do you know a solution to a similar problem I
> posted earlier today?
> Is there a way to suppress (remove) blank spaces in reports?
> Specifically, I'm printing a Name List (Inde x) Report, and for
> every listing that lacks birth and death dates, it prints thusly:
> John DOE ( - )
>
> Is there a way to eliminate the blanks where there is no data
> present?
>
>     ------ Original Message --
> From: "Ruth Mohr" <2rgm...@gmail.com <mailto:2rgm...@gmail.com>>
> To: "Legacy User Group" <LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com
> <mailto:LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com>>
> Sent: 11/14/2017 4:35:23 PM
> Subject: [LegacyUG] Ancestor Book Report
>
>
> ​  If I go back several generations I have several great (6,
> 7 , etc) grandparents  with whom I do not know the name of
> their spouse or I should say the other parent of their child.
>   When the report is created it shows for example "John Green
> married someone".  Is there a way to get rid of this
> statement as I do not they way this looks in reports.
>   I am using Legacy 9 Deluxe with the latest build.
>   Thanks in advance for any help.
> Ruth Mohr
>
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestor Book Report

[Jennifer Crockett]

Hi Cathy

 

Do you just delete the word “someone” and leave the rest?

 

Jennifer

 

From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Cathy Pinner
Sent: Wednesday, 15 November 2017 2:05 PM
To: Legacy User Group <legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com>
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestor Book Report

 

The Option that controls this is Options - Customise 8.7
You can change the wording there to get rid of the "someone" - I do. There is 
no Apply button or Refresh on the marriage screen so I'm not positive that it 
updates automatically or whether it is for future entries. I don't think it 
overwrites if you have already made your own Wording options.

Cathy

Ruth Mohr wrote:




Thanks Leon.  I will try doing it the slow and correct way.  I was 
hoping for a "one wording fits all" .  Thanks again.  Ruth​

On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 7:25 PM, Leon Chapman <chap...@gmail.com  
<mailto:chap...@gmail.com%20%0b%3cmailto:chap...@gmail.com> 
<mailto:chap...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Ruth:

Go to the person that has no wife and click on their Marriage
information below the two people in family view.
In this window, select the Tab at top that says:  Wording Options.

You can change the wording options to whatever you like there for
that couple.
Try a few things and print/preview a report and see what your
changes look like in the report.

You will need to do this for each family you do not have a spouse
for if you want the wording changed.



___
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chap...@gmail.com <mailto:chap...@gmail.com>  <mailto:chap...@gmail.com>
-

On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 2:59 PM, frankinthevillages
<frank.thevilla...@gmail.com  
<mailto:frank.thevilla...@gmail.com%20%3cmailto:frank.thevilla...@gmail.com> 
<mailto:frank.thevilla...@gmail.com>>
wrote:

__
   ;  I think this can only be changed in the Marriage/Relationship
Information window for each listing you want to change (i.e.,
there is no "global" setting for this that I know of).
With the appropriate Family tab opened, click the Marriage
Events button (screen center - righthand side), then Wording
Options and modify or delete the phrase.

By chance, Ruth, do you know a solution to a similar problem I
posted earlier today?
Is there a way to suppress (remove) blank spaces in reports?
Specifically, I'm printing a Name List (Inde x) Report, and for
every listing that lacks birth and death dates, it prints thusly:
John DOE ( - )

Is there a way to eliminate the blanks where there is no data
present?

-- Original Message --
From: "Ruth Mohr" <2rgm...@gmail.com  
<mailto:2rgm...@gmail.com%20%3cmailto:2rgm...@gmail.com> 
<mailto:2rgm...@gmail.com>>
To: "Legacy User Group" <LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com 
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    <mailto:LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com>>
Sent: 11/14/2017 4:35:23 PM
Subject: [LegacyUG] Ancestor Book Report





​  If I go back several generations I have several great (6,
7 , etc) grandparents  with whom I do not know the name of
their spouse or I should say the other parent of their child.
  When the report is created it shows for example "John Green
married someone".  Is there a way to get rid of this
statement as I do not they way this looks in reports.
  I am using Legacy 9 Deluxe with the latest build.
  Thanks in advance for any help.
Ruth Mohr

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Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestor Book Report

[Cathy Pinner]

The Option that controls this is Options - Customise 8.7
You can change the wording there to get rid of the "someone" - I do. 
There is no Apply button or Refresh on the marriage screen so I'm not 
positive that it updates automatically or whether it is for future 
entries. I don't think it overwrites if you have already made your own 
Wording options.


Cathy

Ruth Mohr wrote:


Thanks Leon. I will try doing it the slow and correct way. I was
hoping for a "one wording fits all" . Thanks again. Ruth​

On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 7:25 PM, Leon Chapman <chap...@gmail.com
<mailto:chap...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Ruth:

Go to the person that has no wife and click on their Marriage
information below the two people in family view.
In this window, select the Tab at top that says: Wording Options.

You can change the wording options to whatever you like there for
that couple.
Try a few things and print/preview a report and see what your
changes look like in the report.

You will need to do this for each family you do not have a spouse
for if you want the wording changed.



___
Leon Chapman
chap...@gmail.com <mailto:chap...@gmail.com>
-

On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 2:59 PM, frankinthevillages
<frank.thevilla...@gmail.com <mailto:frank.thevilla...@gmail.com>>
wrote:

__
I think this can only be changed in the Marriage/Relationship
Information window for each listing you want to change (i.e.,
there is no "global" setting for this that I know of).
With the appropriate Family tab opened, click the Marriage
Events button (screen center - righthand side), then Wording
Options and modify or delete the phrase.

By chance, Ruth, do you know a solution to a similar problem I
posted earlier today?
Is there a way to suppress (remove) blank spaces in reports?
Specifically, I'm printing a Name List (Index) Report, and for
every listing that lacks birth and death dates, it prints thusly:
John DOE ( - )

Is there a way to eliminate the blanks where there is no data
present?

-- Original Message --
From: "Ruth Mohr" <2rgm...@gmail.com <mailto:2rgm...@gmail.com>>
To: "Legacy User Group" <LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com
<mailto:LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com>>
Sent: 11/14/2017 4:35:23 PM
Subject: [LegacyUG] Ancestor Book Report



​ If I go back several generations I have several great (6,
7 , etc) grandparents with whom I do not know the name of
their spouse or I should say the other parent of their child.
When the report is created it shows for example "John Green
married someone". Is there a way to get rid of this
statement as I do not they way this looks in reports.
I am using Legacy 9 Deluxe with the latest build.
Thanks in advance for any help.
Ruth Mohr



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Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestor Book Report

[Ruth Mohr]

Thanks Leon.  I will try doing it the slow and correct way.  I was hoping
for a "one wording fits all" .  Thanks again.  Ruth​

On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 7:25 PM, Leon Chapman <chap...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Ruth:
>
> Go to the person that has no wife and click on their Marriage information
> below the two people in family view.
> In this window, select the Tab at top that says:  Wording Options.
>
> You can change the wording options to whatever you like there for that
> couple.
> Try a few things and print/preview a report and see what your changes look
> like in the report.
>
> You will need to do this for each family you do not have a spouse for if
> you want the wording changed.
>
>
>
> ___
> Leon Chapman
> chap...@gmail.com
> -
>
> On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 2:59 PM, frankinthevillages <
> frank.thevilla...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I think this can only be changed in the Marriage/Relationship Information
>> window for each listing you want to change (i.e., there is no "global"
>> setting for this that I know of).
>> With the appropriate Family tab opened, click the Marriage Events button
>> (screen center - righthand side), then Wording Options and modify or delete
>> the phrase.
>>
>> By chance, Ruth, do you know a solution to a similar problem I posted
>> earlier today?
>> Is there a way to suppress (remove) blank spaces in reports?
>> Specifically, I'm printing a Name List (Index) Report, and for every
>> listing that lacks birth and death dates, it prints thusly:
>> John DOE ( - )
>>
>> Is there a way to eliminate the blanks where there is no data present?
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Ruth Mohr" <2rgm...@gmail.com>
>> To: "Legacy User Group" <LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com>
>> Sent: 11/14/2017 4:35:23 PM
>> Subject: [LegacyUG] Ancestor Book Report
>>
>> ​  If I go back several generations I have several great (6, 7 , etc)
>> grandparents  with whom I do not know the name of their spouse or I should
>> say the other parent of their child.
>>   When the report is created it shows for example "John Green married
>> someone".  Is there a way to get rid of this statement as I do not they way
>> this looks in reports.
>>   I am using Legacy 9 Deluxe with the latest build.
>>   Thanks in advance for any help.
>> Ruth Mohr
>>
>>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestor Book Report

[Ruth Mohr]

Thank you for your help.  I guess I was hoping for changing something that
would change it on all people involved at one time (that would be too
easy).  So I will have to try your suggestion and the suggestion of Leon
and do it the proper way.

As far as the dates you were inquiring about.  If I chick on "Name List" -
at the bottom left  is:
  "Print"  and I click on that.  Up comes a "List Report Options Page" and
I have the following options checked:
  Surnames
  Sex
  Birthdate
  Death Date
  Spouse.
This gives me a list chart of all in my program.  I do not check RIN@
because that changes with deleting or adding people - I just keep it in
alphabetical order.  If a person does not have any of the dates or spouse
it just leaves those columns blank, but the person is still listed.

I am not sure this helps with what you are looking for, but hope it does.
Thanks again.   Ruth​

On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 4:59 PM, frankinthevillages <
frank.thevilla...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I think this can only be changed in the Marriage/Relationship Information
> window for each listing you want to change (i.e., there is no "global"
> setting for this that I know of).
> With the appropriate Family tab opened, click the Marriage Events button
> (screen center - righthand side), then Wording Options and modify or delete
> the phrase.
>
> By chance, Ruth, do you know a solution to a similar problem I posted
> earlier today?
> Is there a way to suppress (remove) blank spaces in reports? Specifically,
> I'm printing a Name List (Index) Report, and for every listing that lacks
> birth and death dates, it prints thusly:
> John DOE ( - )
>
> Is there a way to eliminate the blanks where there is no data present?
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Ruth Mohr" <2rgm...@gmail.com>
> To: "Legacy User Group" <LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com>
> Sent: 11/14/2017 4:35:23 PM
> Subject: [LegacyUG] Ancestor Book Report
>
> ​  If I go back several generations I have several great (6, 7 , etc)
> grandparents  with whom I do not know the name of their spouse or I should
> say the other parent of their child.
>   When the report is created it shows for example "John Green married
> someone".  Is there a way to get rid of this statement as I do not they way
> this looks in reports.
>   I am using Legacy 9 Deluxe with the latest build.
>   Thanks in advance for any help.
> Ruth Mohr
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestor Book Report

[Leon Chapman]

Ruth:

Here is more information from the Help file about the Wording Options Tab.

*Wording Options Tab*

*Family View Labels*

Choose the labels you would like to use when displaying this marriage
couple.  The default labels are *Husb* and *Wife*.



*Default Report Phrases if this is the First Marriage*

The traditional (and default) phrase used when printing reports is "
*married*".  John married Sarah..., or Sarah married John  If the *This
couple did not marry *option has been selected, the default changes to "*had
a relationship with*".  John had a relationship with Sarah..., or Sarah had
a relationship with John  (The defaults for these two phrases can be
changed globally in the *Options > Customize > View > Default Family View
Labels and Report Wording *box.)  If you want to change the phrase for this
marriage/partnership only, you can type a new phrase into the box.  Keep in
mind that this phrase is used to build the beginning of a sentence.  The
sentence will then have the date and place added to it.  John married Sarah
on 12 Dec 1888 in London, England...



*Overriding the Report Phrases*

If you would like to completely change the narrative wording that Legacy
normally uses to construct a sentence for a report, you can change it to
anything you want to.  Whereas the default wording above automatically
inserts the first name of each of the spouses/partners, these new override
phrases does not.  You must include the names in the phrase.  This gives
you the option to modify the names and to change the order of the
parts.  Johnny
took Sarah as his wife ...  or Johnny and Sarah got married ... or John
married his high school sweetheart Sarah   Again, this is the beginning
portion of a sentence that will have the date and location added to it, so
keep this in mind.



You must construct two versions of the sentence, one describing the
husband's first marriage (or partnership) and the other describing the
wife's first marriage.



*Default Report Phrases if this is Not the First Marriage*

Similar to the wording for a first marriage, the default phrase used for a
second or later marriage is "*next married*" or "*next had a relationship
with*".  John next married Sarah..., or Sarah next had a relationship with
John  If you want to change the phrase for this subsequent
marriage/partnership only, you can type a new phrase into the box.



*Overriding the Report Phrases*

Just as with the first marriage, you can enter your own wording for later
marriages.  Later in his life Johnny got remarried to Ruth ...  or Several
years after her divorce, Sarah met a man named Alfred and they were married
  Again, this is the beginning portion of a sentence that will have the
date and location added to it, so don't put a period at the end.



Again, as with the first marriage, you must construct two versions of the
sentence.



*Other word substitutes*

You can also change the terms *Spouse* and *Marriage* to other words that
will be used in various reporting situations.

___
Leon Chapman
chap...@gmail.com
-

On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 5:25 PM, Leon Chapman <chap...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Ruth:
>
> Go to the person that has no wife and click on their Marriage information
> below the two people in family view.
> In this window, select the Tab at top that says:  Wording Options.
>
> You can change the wording options to whatever you like there for that
> couple.
> Try a few things and print/preview a report and see what your changes look
> like in the report.
>
> You will need to do this for each family you do not have a spouse for if
> you want the wording changed.
>
>
>
> ___
> Leon Chapman
> chap...@gmail.com
> -
>
> On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 2:59 PM, frankinthevillages <
> frank.thevilla...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I think this can only be changed in the Marriage/Relationship Information
>> window for each listing you want to change (i.e., there is no "global"
>> setting for this that I know of).
>> With the appropriate Family tab opened, click the Marriage Events button
>> (screen center - righthand side), then Wording Options and modify or delete
>> the phrase.
>>
>> By chance, Ruth, do you know a solution to a similar problem I posted
>> earlier today?
>> Is there a way to suppress (remove) blank spaces in reports?
>> Specifically, I'm printing a Name List (Index) Report, and for every
>> listing that lacks birth and death dates, it prints thusly:
>> John DOE ( - )
>>
>> Is there a way to eliminate the blanks where there is no data present?
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Ruth Mohr" <2rgm...@gmail.com>
>> To: "Legacy User Group" <LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com>
>> Sent: 11/14

Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestor Book Report

[Leon Chapman]

Ruth:

Go to the person that has no wife and click on their Marriage information
below the two people in family view.
In this window, select the Tab at top that says:  Wording Options.

You can change the wording options to whatever you like there for that
couple.
Try a few things and print/preview a report and see what your changes look
like in the report.

You will need to do this for each family you do not have a spouse for if
you want the wording changed.



___
Leon Chapman
chap...@gmail.com
-

On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 2:59 PM, frankinthevillages <
frank.thevilla...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I think this can only be changed in the Marriage/Relationship Information
> window for each listing you want to change (i.e., there is no "global"
> setting for this that I know of).
> With the appropriate Family tab opened, click the Marriage Events button
> (screen center - righthand side), then Wording Options and modify or delete
> the phrase.
>
> By chance, Ruth, do you know a solution to a similar problem I posted
> earlier today?
> Is there a way to suppress (remove) blank spaces in reports? Specifically,
> I'm printing a Name List (Index) Report, and for every listing that lacks
> birth and death dates, it prints thusly:
> John DOE ( - )
>
> Is there a way to eliminate the blanks where there is no data present?
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Ruth Mohr" <2rgm...@gmail.com>
> To: "Legacy User Group" <LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com>
> Sent: 11/14/2017 4:35:23 PM
> Subject: [LegacyUG] Ancestor Book Report
>
> ​  If I go back several generations I have several great (6, 7 , etc)
> grandparents  with whom I do not know the name of their spouse or I should
> say the other parent of their child.
>   When the report is created it shows for example "John Green married
> someone".  Is there a way to get rid of this statement as I do not they way
> this looks in reports.
>   I am using Legacy 9 Deluxe with the latest build.
>   Thanks in advance for any help.
> Ruth Mohr
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestor Book Report

[frankinthevillages]

I think this can only be changed in the Marriage/Relationship 
Information window for each listing you want to change (i.e., there is 
no "global" setting for this that I know of).
With the appropriate Family tab opened, click the Marriage Events button 
(screen center - righthand side), then Wording Options and modify or 
delete the phrase.


By chance, Ruth, do you know a solution to a similar problem I posted 
earlier today?
Is there a way to suppress (remove) blank spaces in reports? 
Specifically, I'm printing a Name List (Index) Report, and for every 
listing that lacks birth and death dates, it prints thusly:

John DOE ( - )

Is there a way to eliminate the blanks where there is no data present?

-- Original Message --
From: "Ruth Mohr" <2rgm...@gmail.com>
To: "Legacy User Group" <LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com>
Sent: 11/14/2017 4:35:23 PM
Subject: [LegacyUG] Ancestor Book Report

​  If I go back several generations I have several great (6, 7 , etc) 
grandparents  with whom I do not know the name of their spouse or I 
should say the other parent of their child.
  When the report is created it shows for example "John Green married 
someone".  Is there a way to get rid of this statement as I do not they 
way this looks in reports.

  I am using Legacy 9 Deluxe with the latest build.
  Thanks in advance for any help.
Ruth Mohr
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[LegacyUG] Ancestor Book Report

[Ruth Mohr]

​  If I go back several generations I have several great (6, 7 , etc)
grandparents  with whom I do not know the name of their spouse or I should
say the other parent of their child.
  When the report is created it shows for example "John Green married
someone".  Is there a way to get rid of this statement as I do not they way
this looks in reports.
  I am using Legacy 9 Deluxe with the latest build.
  Thanks in advance for any help.
Ruth Mohr
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Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestor Book Report

[Brian Kelly]

You are welcome. I'm glad it helped. When the issue gets fixed you will 
be able to include spouses of Children.


Brian Kelly

On 30-Apr-17 9:51 PM, Ed Karsch wrote:

Brian, that worked. Thank you.

Ed Karsch
25 Doctors Hill Drive
Scituate, MA 02066
Home: 781-545-6672
Cell: 781-264-5189
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-Original Message-
From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On
Behalf Of Brian Kelly
Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2017 5:17 PM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestor Boo Report

There is a known problem with the Ancestor Book report. Turn off the Show
Spouses of Children and your report should work.

Brian Kelly

On 30-Apr-17 2:58 PM, Ed Karsch wrote:

I am trying to create an Ancestor Book Report running Legacy 9 Deluxe
with the latest .167 update and have had no luck. My computer's OS is

Windows 10.

When I click the 'Preview' button (with the Screen/Printer bullet
checked) I can see that a report is being created  but nothing opens
on my computer screen. I have tried Alt/Tab to see if it opens in a
hidden browser but there is no report there. The Descendant Book
option works fine. Does anyone have any suggestions?



Ed Karsch

25 Doctors Hill Drive

Scituate, MA 02066

Home: 781-545-6672

Cell: 781-264-5189

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Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestor Book Report

[Ed Karsch]

Carrie, thanks for the response, but that did not work. Brian's solution did
work.

 

Ed Karsch

25 Doctors Hill Drive

Scituate, MA 02066

Home: 781-545-6672

Cell: 781-264-5189

edkar...@comcast.net

 

From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On
Behalf Of Carrie Pillow
Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2017 5:53 PM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestor Boo Report

 

Hi

 

It works fine for me, can I suggest you do a 'cold' restart of your PC

 

CArrie

 

From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On
Behalf Of Ed Karsch
Sent: 30 April 2017 19:59
To: 'Legacy User Group' 
Subject: [LegacyUG] Ancestor Boo Report

 

I am trying to create an Ancestor Book Report running Legacy 9 Deluxe with
the latest .167 update and have had no luck. My computer's OS is Windows 10.
When I click the 'Preview' button (with the Screen/Printer bullet checked) I
can see that a report is being created  but nothing opens on my computer
screen. I have tried Alt/Tab to see if it opens in a hidden browser but
there is no report there. The Descendant Book option works fine. Does anyone
have any suggestions?   

 

Ed Karsch

25 Doctors Hill Drive

Scituate, MA 02066

Home: 781-545-6672

Cell: 781-264-5189

edkar...@comcast.net

 

 


 
 

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Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestor Book Report

[Ed Karsch]

Brian, that worked. Thank you.

Ed Karsch
25 Doctors Hill Drive
Scituate, MA 02066
Home: 781-545-6672
Cell: 781-264-5189
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From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On
Behalf Of Brian Kelly
Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2017 5:17 PM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestor Boo Report

There is a known problem with the Ancestor Book report. Turn off the Show
Spouses of Children and your report should work.

Brian Kelly

On 30-Apr-17 2:58 PM, Ed Karsch wrote:
> I am trying to create an Ancestor Book Report running Legacy 9 Deluxe 
> with the latest .167 update and have had no luck. My computer's OS is
Windows 10.
> When I click the 'Preview' button (with the Screen/Printer bullet 
> checked) I can see that a report is being created  but nothing opens 
> on my computer screen. I have tried Alt/Tab to see if it opens in a 
> hidden browser but there is no report there. The Descendant Book 
> option works fine. Does anyone have any suggestions?
>
>
>
> Ed Karsch
>
> 25 Doctors Hill Drive
>
> Scituate, MA 02066
>
> Home: 781-545-6672
>
> Cell: 781-264-5189
>
> edkar...@comcast.net
>
>
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestor Book Report Issue

[Cathy Pinner]

Thanks Dave,

I hadn't thought of that option and have turned it on.

I'm not so bothered about Windows 10 updating but having my computer 
restart at a time of its choosing rather than mine.


Cathy

Hotrum family wrote:


On 5 Jun 2016 Cathy Pinner wrote:



Windows 10 Home has no way to stop automatic updates



Actually, it has!

By going into Network> Advanced settings, the internet connection
can be set as a "Metered connection". When this is switched on
Windows updates will be shown as available but will not be downloaded
and installed. When I want updates to occur I turn this setting off,
and then back on after the updates have been installed.

The only problem with this is if the printer is on the same network
connection the "Metered connection" will need to be switched off for
printing to occur.

Cheers! -- Dave N.
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Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestor Book Report Issue

[Hotrum family]

On 5 Jun 2016  Cathy Pinner wrote:

> Windows 10 Home has no way to stop automatic updates

Actually, it has!

By going into Network > Advanced settings, the internet connection 
can be set as a "Metered connection".  When this is switched on 
Windows updates will be shown as available but will not be downloaded 
and installed.  When I want updates to occur I turn this setting off, 
and then back on after the updates have been installed.

The only problem with this is if the printer is on the same network 
connection the "Metered connection" will need to be switched off for 
printing to occur.

Cheers! -- Dave N.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestor Book Report Issue

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While I will agree to the last part of your statement, I have to disagree with 
the first part.  I know of no software that installs itself ‘in the dark of 
night’.  It may be a game, a genealogy program or an operating system but a 
user has to ‘agree’ to certain parameters associated with that software.



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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steve-peterson/warning-your-computer-may_b_10099208.html

 

 

From: Ronald Howell [mailto:basketballman0...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Saturday, June 4, 2016 11:23 AM
To: 'Legacy User Group'
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Ancestor Book Report Issue

 

While I will agree to the last part of your statement, I have to disagree with 
the first part.  I know of no software that installs itself ‘in the dark of 
night’.  It may be a game, a genealogy program or an operating system but a 
user has to ‘agree’ to certain parameters associated with that software.

 

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While I will agree to the last part of your statement, I have to disagree with 
the first part.  I know of no software that installs itself ‘in the dark of 
night’.  It may be a game, a genealogy program or an operating system but a 
user has to ‘agree’ to certain parameters associated with that software.



Thanks,



From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Brian L. Lightfoot
Sent: Saturday, June 4, 2016 12:53 PM
To: 'Legacy User Group'
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestor Book Report Issue



Unlike Win7, Windows10 includes a built-in PDF reader using the Edge browser 
which it sets as the default PDF viewer. If your Win7 system was automatically 
upgraded to Win10 in the dark of the night by Microsoft, usually such 
applications such as other PDF viewers are still available for your use in 
Win10. Once in a great while, either the Win10 upgrade fails for a particular 
program or else that particular viewer may not have been compatible with Win10. 
I suspect that the old one you used to use on your Win7 machine is still there, 
but Microsoft is trying to force you to use Edge instead. You may have to hunt 
for it in the alphabetized list of “All Apps” after clicking on the Start 
window thingie in the lower left of Windows.



Just google “PDF Viewers in Win10” and you’ll get a list of multiple programs 
that you can download and install to view PDF files. The most commonly used 
viewer is Adobe Reader which is free. Just go to “adobe.com” and click on any 
link that says “Get Adobe Reader”. I would caution you to not get click happy 
while on the Adobe web site because by default Adobe will include the Google 
Chrome browser, make it your default browser, and add the Google Toolbar to 
your browser unless you un-check those boxes.



You may then wish to visit the Legacy “Customization Settings – Launch” and 
check to see what if anything you have entered for any of the programs that 
Legacy will use to view various types of file formats. These programs include 
web browsers, word processors, text editors, and PDF viewers. Most users leave 
these blank which means Legacy will use whatever program Windows has been told 
is the default program for that file type. So if Edge is the default browser 
and PDF reader for your computer , then this is why you are seeing Edge to view 
the PDF files. If you installed Adobe Reader or any other PDF viewer AND then 
tell Windows to use that program by default, Legacy would then open Adobe 
Reader to view your report. This is also where you can tell Legacy to use 
Firefox or Chrome or Internet Explorer to view your HTML formatted reports 
while you may wise to keep using Edge as your default browser (don’t know why 
anybody would actually do that….). While in this customization section, just 
remember that DEFAULT means for Legacy to use whatever Windows has been told is 
the default. You need only enter something if you want for Legacy to use 
something different.



If you need help in telling Win10 to use Adobe Reader by default, then go here:

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-windows_install/pdf-reader-windows-10/802660c4-b015-47ad-9154-639a149552ee





HTH





Brian in CA





From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Margaret Gagliardi
Sent: Saturday, June 4, 2016 7:20 AM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestor Book Report Issue



Oh my!!!  This is so confusing to this old brain of mine.  What happened to the 
one in Legacy that I used on my Windows 7 machine?  Or was that controlled by 
Microsoft also?  I don't think I have anything else on my PC to change it to.  
I will have to find someone to help me do all this.  I am not good at all this 
kind of computer stuff.

Thank you for all your help.

Margaret



On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 12:45 PM, Denise Moss-Fritch <d.mossfri...@comcast.net> 
wrote:

Win 10 does use the Edge browser as the default reader of .pdf documents. 
However, you can change that default either when installing a different Acrobat 
application (I use Acrobat Pro) or later. Occasionally when adding a Win 10 
patch I have had that pdf default changed.



If you have an application you use as your default pdf software and that 
default has changed, go to System > Default apps > Choose default apps by file 
type. Find the listing for pdf and click on the app already selected to display 
a Choose an app list and

Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestor Book Report Issue

[Brian L. Lightfoot]

Unlike Win7, Windows10 includes a built-in PDF reader using the Edge browser 
which it sets as the default PDF viewer. If your Win7 system was automatically 
upgraded to Win10 in the dark of the night by Microsoft, usually such 
applications such as other PDF viewers are still available for your use in 
Win10. Once in a great while, either the Win10 upgrade fails for a particular 
program or else that particular viewer may not have been compatible with Win10. 
I suspect that the old one you used to use on your Win7 machine is still there, 
but Microsoft is trying to force you to use Edge instead. You may have to hunt 
for it in the alphabetized list of “All Apps” after clicking on the Start 
window thingie in the lower left of Windows.

 

Just google “PDF Viewers in Win10” and you’ll get a list of multiple programs 
that you can download and install to view PDF files. The most commonly used 
viewer is Adobe Reader which is free. Just go to “adobe.com” and click on any 
link that says “Get Adobe Reader”. I would caution you to not get click happy 
while on the Adobe web site because by default Adobe will include the Google 
Chrome browser, make it your default browser, and add the Google Toolbar to 
your browser unless you un-check those boxes.

 

You may then wish to visit the Legacy “Customization Settings – Launch” and 
check to see what if anything you have entered for any of the programs that 
Legacy will use to view various types of file formats. These programs include 
web browsers, word processors, text editors, and PDF viewers. Most users leave 
these blank which means Legacy will use whatever program Windows has been told 
is the default program for that file type. So if Edge is the default browser 
and PDF reader for your computer , then this is why you are seeing Edge to view 
the PDF files. If you installed Adobe Reader or any other PDF viewer AND then 
tell Windows to use that program by default, Legacy would then open Adobe 
Reader to view your report. This is also where you can tell Legacy to use 
Firefox or Chrome or Internet Explorer to view your HTML formatted reports 
while you may wise to keep using Edge as your default browser (don’t know why 
anybody would actually do that….). While in this customization section, just 
remember that DEFAULT means for Legacy to use whatever Windows has been told is 
the default. You need only enter something if you want for Legacy to use 
something different.

 

If you need help in telling Win10 to use Adobe Reader by default, then go here:

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-windows_install/pdf-reader-windows-10/802660c4-b015-47ad-9154-639a149552ee

 

 

HTH

 

 

Brian in CA

 

 

From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Margaret Gagliardi
Sent: Saturday, June 4, 2016 7:20 AM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestor Book Report Issue

 

Oh my!!!  This is so confusing to this old brain of mine.  What happened to the 
one in Legacy that I used on my Windows 7 machine?  Or was that controlled by 
Microsoft also?  I don't think I have anything else on my PC to change it to.  
I will have to find someone to help me do all this.  I am not good at all this 
kind of computer stuff.

Thank you for all your help.

Margaret

 

On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 12:45 PM, Denise Moss-Fritch <d.mossfri...@comcast.net> 
wrote:

Win 10 does use the Edge browser as the default reader of .pdf documents. 
However, you can change that default either when installing a different Acrobat 
application (I use Acrobat Pro) or later. Occasionally when adding a Win 10 
patch I have had that pdf default changed.

 

If you have an application you use as your default pdf software and that 
default has changed, go to System > Default apps > Choose default apps by file 
type. Find the listing for pdf and click on the app already selected to display 
a Choose an app list and select your preferred pdf software. 

 

Denise

 

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Behalf Of Martha Graham
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 8:10 AM
To: Legacy User Group <legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com>
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestor Book Report Issue

 

Good Morning Margaret,

Was the report you created saved to pdf format?

If so, the Win 10 version of Internet Explorer is called 'Edge', symbolized by 
and "E" and has an imbedded pdf reader.

And if you do not have another pdf reader installed, it becomes the default, 
thus printing your pdf document.

 

Martha

In Los Osos, CA

 

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Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestor Book Report Issue

[Margaret Gagliardi]

Oh my!!!  This is so confusing to this old brain of mine.  What happened to
the one in Legacy that I used on my Windows 7 machine?  Or was that
controlled by Microsoft also?  I don't think I have anything else on my PC
to change it to.  I will have to find someone to help me do all this.  I am
not good at all this kind of computer stuff.
Thank you for all your help.
Margaret

On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 12:45 PM, Denise Moss-Fritch <
d.mossfri...@comcast.net> wrote:

> Win 10 does use the Edge browser as the default reader of .pdf documents.
> However, you can change that default either when installing a different
> Acrobat application (I use Acrobat Pro) or later. Occasionally when adding
> a Win 10 patch I have had that pdf default changed.
>
>
>
> If you have an application you use as your default pdf software and that
> default has changed, go to System > Default apps > Choose default apps by
> file type. Find the listing for pdf and click on the app already selected
> to display a Choose an app list and select your preferred pdf software.
>
>
>
> Denise
>
>
>
> *From:* LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Martha Graham
> *Sent:* Friday, June 3, 2016 8:10 AM
> *To:* Legacy User Group <legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestor Book Report Issue
>
>
>
> Good Morning Margaret,
>
> Was the report you created saved to pdf format?
>
> If so, the Win 10 version of Internet Explorer is called 'Edge',
> symbolized by and "E" and has an imbedded pdf reader.
>
> And if you do not have another pdf reader installed, it becomes the
> default, thus printing your pdf document.
>
>
>
> Martha
>
> In Los Osos, CA
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestor Book Report Issue

[Denise Moss-Fritch]

Win 10 does use the Edge browser as the default reader of .pdf documents. 
However, you can change that default either when installing a different Acrobat 
application (I use Acrobat Pro) or later. Occasionally when adding a Win 10 
patch I have had that pdf default changed.

 

If you have an application you use as your default pdf software and that 
default has changed, go to System > Default apps > Choose default apps by file 
type. Find the listing for pdf and click on the app already selected to display 
a Choose an app list and select your preferred pdf software. 

 

Denise

 

From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Martha Graham
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 8:10 AM
To: Legacy User Group <legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com>
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestor Book Report Issue

 

Good Morning Margaret,

Was the report you created saved to pdf format?

If so, the Win 10 version of Internet Explorer is called 'Edge', symbolized by 
and "E" and has an imbedded pdf reader.

And if you do not have another pdf reader installed, it becomes the default, 
thus printing your pdf document.

 

Martha

In Los Osos, CA

 

 

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Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestor Book Report Issue

[Martha Graham]

Good Morning Margaret,
Was the report you created saved to pdf format?
If so, the Win 10 version of Internet Explorer is called 'Edge', 
symbolized by and "E" and has an imbedded pdf reader.
And if you do not have another pdf reader installed, it becomes the 
default, thus printing your pdf document.


Martha
In Los Osos, CA

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[LegacyUG] Ancestor Book Report Issue

[Margaret Gagliardi]

I created an Ancestor Book Report.  I have Windows 10.  When I went to
print it, it brought up the "E" for Internet Explorer and took forever to
print, double sided.  The report was 167 pages.  There was about a 30
second pause between printing 1 page double sided.

My question is why did it bring up the Internet Explorer to print it?  And
what caused it to take so long to print.  About 1/2 hour or more.

Thanks
Margaret
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[LegacyUG] Ancestor Book Report question

[Mary Young]

Ancestor Book Report Report Options Event Narrative Format Bullet Point,
Number, or Nothing Precing Each Event, results in each Event being shown on
a separate line  BUT events are separated by horizontal lines.  Can these
be de-selected?   I like Events on separate lines, but the lines are very
dominant, wasteful of ink and IMHO completely unnecessary.
Thanks
Mary Young




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RE: [LegacyUG] Ancestor Book Report question

[Michele/Support]

Mary,

When I select bullet points or numbering or nothing I am not getting lines 
between the events.  Whenever I am testing something I always RESET the report 
first.   Click the RESET button and then select your options again and see what 
happens.







Michele

Technical Support

mich...@legacyfamilytree.com mailto:mich...@legacyfamilytree.com

www.legacyfamilytree.com http://www.legacyfamilytree.com



From: Mary Young [mailto:m...@cmy.org.uk]
Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 4:40 PM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Ancestor Book Report question



Ancestor Book Report Report Options Event Narrative Format Bullet Point, 
Number, or Nothing Precing Each Event, results in each Event being shown on a 
separate line  BUT events are separated by horizontal lines.  Can these be 
de-selected?   I like Events on separate lines, but the lines are very 
dominant, wasteful of ink and IMHO completely unnecessary.

Thanks

Mary Young





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Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestor Book Report question

[Mary Young]

Hi Michele
Thanks, I did this:
(1) Reset to Legacy Defaults
(2) Report Options Event Narrative Format Bullet Point Each Event
NB Made no other changes.
The Report still shows a line after the Events heading, and after each
individual event.
Can't understand why re-setting to default is not clearing these lines?
Mary Young


On 25/01/2015, Michele/Support mich...@legacyfamilytree.com wrote:
 Mary,

 When I select bullet points or numbering or nothing I am not getting lines
 between the events.  Whenever I am testing something I always RESET the
 report first.   Click the RESET button and then select your options again
 and see what happens.







 Michele

 Technical Support

 mich...@legacyfamilytree.com mailto:mich...@legacyfamilytree.com

 www.legacyfamilytree.com http://www.legacyfamilytree.com



 From: Mary Young [mailto:m...@cmy.org.uk]
 Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 4:40 PM
 To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: [LegacyUG] Ancestor Book Report question



 Ancestor Book Report Report Options Event Narrative Format Bullet Point,
 Number, or Nothing Precing Each Event, results in each Event being shown on
 a separate line  BUT events are separated by horizontal lines.  Can these be
 de-selected?   I like Events on separate lines, but the lines are very
 dominant, wasteful of ink and IMHO completely unnecessary.

 Thanks

 Mary Young





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Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestor Book Report question

[Brian/Support]

This is a known bug in the program and affects all the narrative style
reports. The lines appear after you create an individual report which
uses lines between events.

To clear the lines close and restart Legacy, you should then be able to
create a narrative report without lines between the events, at least
until you create an Individual report.

Brian
Customer Support
Millennia Corporation
br...@legacyfamilytree.com
http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com

On 25/01/2015 7:09 PM, Mary Young wrote:
 Hi Michele
 Thanks, I did this:
 (1) Reset to Legacy Defaults
 (2) Report Options Event Narrative Format Bullet Point Each Event
 NB Made no other changes.
 The Report still shows a line after the Events heading, and after each
 individual event.
 Can't understand why re-setting to default is not clearing these lines?
 Mary Young


 On 25/01/2015, Michele/Support mich...@legacyfamilytree.com wrote:
 Mary,

 When I select bullet points or numbering or nothing I am not getting lines
 between the events.  Whenever I am testing something I always RESET the
 report first.   Click the RESET button and then select your options again
 and see what happens.







 Michele

 Technical Support

 mich...@legacyfamilytree.com mailto:mich...@legacyfamilytree.com

 www.legacyfamilytree.com http://www.legacyfamilytree.com



 From: Mary Young [mailto:m...@cmy.org.uk]
 Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 4:40 PM
 To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: [LegacyUG] Ancestor Book Report question



 Ancestor Book Report Report Options Event Narrative Format Bullet Point,
 Number, or Nothing Precing Each Event, results in each Event being shown on
 a separate line  BUT events are separated by horizontal lines.  Can these be
 de-selected?   I like Events on separate lines, but the lines are very
 dominant, wasteful of ink and IMHO completely unnecessary.

 Thanks

 Mary Young





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RE: [LegacyUG] Ancestor Book Report question

[CE WOOD]

What a pain. Is this on the list to be fixed...some year?

CE

 From: br...@legacyfamilytree.com
 To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestor Book Report question
 Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 19:43:30 -0500

 This is a known bug in the program and affects all the narrative style
 reports. The lines appear after you create an individual report which
 uses lines between events.

 To clear the lines close and restart Legacy, you should then be able to
 create a narrative report without lines between the events, at least
 until you create an Individual report.

 Brian
 Customer Support
 Millennia Corporation
 br...@legacyfamilytree.com
 http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com

 On 25/01/2015 7:09 PM, Mary Young wrote:
  Hi Michele
  Thanks, I did this:
  (1) Reset to Legacy Defaults
  (2) Report Options Event Narrative Format Bullet Point Each Event
  NB Made no other changes.
  The Report still shows a line after the Events heading, and after each
  individual event.
  Can't understand why re-setting to default is not clearing these lines?
  Mary Young
 
 
  On 25/01/2015, Michele/Support mich...@legacyfamilytree.com wrote:
  Mary,
 
  When I select bullet points or numbering or nothing I am not getting lines
  between the events.  Whenever I am testing something I always RESET the
  report first.   Click the RESET button and then select your options again
  and see what happens.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  Michele
 
  Technical Support
 
  mich...@legacyfamilytree.com mailto:mich...@legacyfamilytree.com
 
  www.legacyfamilytree.com http://www.legacyfamilytree.com
 
 
 
  From: Mary Young [mailto:m...@cmy.org.uk]
  Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 4:40 PM
  To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
  Subject: [LegacyUG] Ancestor Book Report question
 
 
 
  Ancestor Book Report Report Options Event Narrative Format Bullet Point,
  Number, or Nothing Precing Each Event, results in each Event being shown on
  a separate line  BUT events are separated by horizontal lines.  Can these 
  be
  de-selected?   I like Events on separate lines, but the lines are very
  dominant, wasteful of ink and IMHO completely unnecessary.
 
  Thanks
 
  Mary Young
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestor Book Report question

[Mary Young]

Hi Brian
You wrote:
This is a known bug in the program and affects all the narrative
style reports. The lines appear after you create an individual report
which uses lines between events. To clear the lines close and restart
Legacy, you should then be able to create a narrative report without
lines between the events, at least until you create an Individual
report.
What a weird bug! Is there no way to Deselect the lines on the
Individual Report?  I'd prefer to lose them on that Report also.
Thanks
Mary Young

On 26/01/2015, Brian/Support br...@legacyfamilytree.com wrote:
 This is a known bug in the program and affects all the narrative style
 reports. The lines appear after you create an individual report which
 uses lines between events.

 To clear the lines close and restart Legacy, you should then be able to
 create a narrative report without lines between the events, at least
 until you create an Individual report.

 Brian
 Customer Support
 Millennia Corporation
 br...@legacyfamilytree.com
 http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com

 On 25/01/2015 7:09 PM, Mary Young wrote:
 Hi Michele
 Thanks, I did this:
 (1) Reset to Legacy Defaults
 (2) Report Options Event Narrative Format Bullet Point Each Event
 NB Made no other changes.
 The Report still shows a line after the Events heading, and after each
 individual event.
 Can't understand why re-setting to default is not clearing these lines?
 Mary Young


 On 25/01/2015, Michele/Support mich...@legacyfamilytree.com wrote:
 Mary,

 When I select bullet points or numbering or nothing I am not getting
 lines
 between the events.  Whenever I am testing something I always RESET the
 report first.   Click the RESET button and then select your options
 again
 and see what happens.







 Michele

 Technical Support

 mich...@legacyfamilytree.com mailto:mich...@legacyfamilytree.com

 www.legacyfamilytree.com http://www.legacyfamilytree.com



 From: Mary Young [mailto:m...@cmy.org.uk]
 Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 4:40 PM
 To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: [LegacyUG] Ancestor Book Report question



 Ancestor Book Report Report Options Event Narrative Format Bullet
 Point,
 Number, or Nothing Precing Each Event, results in each Event being shown
 on
 a separate line  BUT events are separated by horizontal lines.  Can these
 be
 de-selected?   I like Events on separate lines, but the lines are very
 dominant, wasteful of ink and IMHO completely unnecessary.

 Thanks

 Mary Young





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Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestor book report - spouse events

[Paula Ryburn]

Paul, To get back to the basic question...  A workaround for this one issue 
would be to produce RTF/Word documents and remove the duplicated events for the 
first generation in each report.  I doubt a request to add that particular 
functionality would bubble to the top of an enhancement queue, surely not 
within your timeframe (given that v8 still has not been released).

What other things are giving you problems, making the ancestor book report less 
than half decent ?  There are many folks on this list with more experience in 
using the Publishing Center than I have.  Perhaps they could answer other 
specific questions you have.
 
--Paula 



 From: Paul Richardson pl.richards...@googlemail.com
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 12:30 PM
Subject: [LegacyUG] Ancestor book report - spouse events



Hi,
 
I'm wondering if anyone with any experience of producing ancestor book reports 
may be able to offer some advise with a problem I have.

I'm tying to put together an Ancestor book report through the
publishing centre in Legacy 7.5 to give to my parents, aunts  uncles. As
such I thought of producing 2 ancestor report books, one based on my grandad,
the other based on my grandmother, that way the report is not based on any one
child (such as my dad) and is applicable to all.
 
The trouble is, when I produce my grandad's report, in order to see his
numerous life events and photos that I've attached to them, I've had to select
Events for husband and wife in the Options for Ancestor Books
window, but this also displays all my grand mother's life events as well.
 
Then when I produce my grandmother's report, again I have a similar
situation where as well as seeing all her life events which I want, I again see
all my grandad's life events as well. It looks a bit poor repeating the same
content so I was wondering if there's a way round this because so far I've not
found it?
 
I've got to admit I'm finding it quite a challenge trying to get a half
decent looking book produced from Legacy about my family history to give to my
family.
 
regards
Paul



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Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestor book report - spouse events

[Paula Ryburn]

Amen, again.  Thanks, Ron, for articulating.
 
--Paula in Texas
Researching:  Adair Baker Beasley Benson Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman 
Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field 
Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Hale Harbaugh Hind Hopkins Hughes Hurdle 
Jones Klein Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche 
Ryburn Sanford Short Singer Sullivan Weller Williams



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To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 6:57 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestor book report - spouse events



Paul,

Legacy is a relational database and uses Access. What it emphatically is not is 
a wordprocessor, nor in my view should it ever contain one.

In the same way as it creates basic websites it creates basic reports. Using 
other software Legacy generated webpages can be changed. Save reports as rtf 
files and they can be amended in WORD or OO.org Writer.

As a programmer you should know that programs are designed to fulfill specific 
functions, in the case of Legacy to store data and enable its retrieval. The 
rest is a bonus.

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/

Paul Richardson pl.richards...@googlemail.com wrote:


Hi Mike,

We use doxygen for producing some pretty decent looking manuals for our 
software products. I agree its not the easiest to use, and can be a bit quirky 
at times but in the end it works and it means every time a change is made to 
the software the manual reflects this change provided the developers follow a 
simple set of rules. In this way the manual is always up to date and matches 
the software.

In the case of family research, its all very well collecting lots of facts and 
spending lots of money in researching ancestors, storing it away in some 
database, but until you publish this information in some way, either on the 
internet or in a book, then no one else in your family is aware of the extend 
and wealth of knowledge you've discovered and there-in lies the crux of family 
history. 

I've only used 2 family history packages in anger. Generations which is no more 
and Legacy. I bought Legacy because of the reviews which indicated it was the 
best of all of them at producing reports, but the issues I have found by trying 
to use it in anger has left me wondering that if this is the best, then there's 
a heck of long way to go.

Based on my recent experiences I think I'll submit some of the issues 
encountered to the Legacy developers. 

regards
Paul








On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 7:54 AM, Mike Fry emjay...@gmail.com wrote:

On 2013/11/20 03:14, Paul Richardson wrote:

 I'm not keen on generating pdfs or rtfs and then re-editing docs. after all
 what's the point of the publishing center if thats what you have to resort 
 to. I
 also work as a software engineer and I'm used to using tools that generate
 manuals from basic text and information in the code, so if we can do this for
 the software industry I'd have though it could have been done in Legacy as 
 well.

For the price, what you get with Legacy is cheap. If you want something a bit
more professional-looking, the solution is going to cost you money that you
could probably better spend on more research.

As for your throw-away comment concerning tools within software for generating
documentation... I'm also a developer and the general-purpose tools built-in to
development software are in my opinion, largely, a piece of crap! There is
nothing that couldn't be improved with the judicious use of a good Technical 
Writer.

Same goes for Legacy. If you want something that looks good, you have to do 
some
extra work to achieve it. Legacy is never going to write your books for you. 
All
it can do is lift the basic information out of the database in a
semi-presentable form that can be further manipulated. After all, the main
raison-d'etre for Legacy is the database and the recording of facts discovered
through research.

--
Regards,
Mike Fry
Johannesburg (g)



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Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestor book report - spouse events

[Paula Ryburn]

I think the one issue about printing events differently for the first 
generation in one report because of how you want to produce two separate 
reports does not warrant anger.  Legacy is still the best.  That is, none are 
perfect.

Further, I know the Legacy folks want to hear about both bugs and suggested new 
features (and anything in between).
 
--Paula in Texas
Researching:  Adair Baker Beasley Benson Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman 
Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field 
Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Hale Harbaugh Hind Hopkins Hughes Hurdle 
Jones Klein Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche 
Ryburn Sanford Short Singer Sullivan Weller Williams



 From: Paul Richardson pl.richards...@googlemail.com
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 6:24 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestor book report - spouse events



Hi Mike,

We use doxygen for producing some pretty decent looking manuals for our 
software products. I agree its not the easiest to use, and can be a bit quirky 
at times but in the end it works and it means every time a change is made to 
the software the manual reflects this change provided the developers follow a 
simple set of rules. In this way the manual is always up to date and matches 
the software.

In the case of family research, its all very well collecting lots of facts and 
spending lots of money in researching ancestors, storing it away in some 
database, but until you publish this information in some way, either on the 
internet or in a book, then no one else in your family is aware of the extend 
and wealth of knowledge you've discovered and there-in lies the crux of family 
history. 

I've only used 2 family history packages in anger. Generations which is no more 
and Legacy. I bought Legacy because of the reviews which indicated it was the 
best of all of them at producing reports, but the issues I have found by trying 
to use it in anger has left me wondering that if this is the best, then there's 
a heck of long way to go.

Based on my recent experiences I think I'll submit some of the issues 
encountered to the Legacy developers. 

regards
Paul








On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 7:54 AM, Mike Fry emjay...@gmail.com wrote:

On 2013/11/20 03:14, Paul Richardson wrote:

 I'm not keen on generating pdfs or rtfs and then re-editing docs. after all
 what's the point of the publishing center if thats what you have to resort 
 to. I
 also work as a software engineer and I'm used to using tools that generate
 manuals from basic text and information in the code, so if we can do this for
 the software industry I'd have though it could have been done in Legacy as 
 well.

For the price, what you get with Legacy is cheap. If you want something a bit
more professional-looking, the solution is going to cost you money that you
could probably better spend on more research.

As for your throw-away comment concerning tools within software for generating
documentation... I'm also a developer and the general-purpose tools built-in to
development software are in my opinion, largely, a piece of crap! There is
nothing that couldn't be improved with the judicious use of a good Technical 
Writer.

Same goes for Legacy. If you want something that looks good, you have to do 
some
extra work to achieve it. Legacy is never going to write your books for you. 
All
it can do is lift the basic information out of the database in a
semi-presentable form that can be further manipulated. After all, the main
raison-d'etre for Legacy is the database and the recording of facts discovered
through research.

--
Regards,
Mike Fry
Johannesburg (g)



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Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestor book report - spouse events

[Paula Ryburn]

Amen!  Thanks for articulating my thoughts, Mike.  I'm a software developer, 
too.
 
--Paula in Texas
Researching:  Adair Baker Beasley Benson Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman 
Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field 
Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Hale Harbaugh Hind Hopkins Hughes Hurdle 
Jones Klein Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche 
Ryburn Sanford Short Singer Sullivan Weller Williams



 From: Mike Fry emjay...@gmail.com
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 1:54 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestor book report - spouse events


On 2013/11/20 03:14, Paul Richardson wrote:

 I'm not keen on generating pdfs or rtfs and then re-editing docs. after all
 what's the point of the publishing center if thats what you have to resort 
 to. I
 also work as a software engineer and I'm used to using tools that generate
 manuals from basic text and information in the code, so if we can do this for
 the software industry I'd have though it could have been done in Legacy as 
 well.

For the price, what you get with Legacy is cheap. If you want something a bit
more professional-looking, the solution is going to cost you money that you
could probably better spend on more research.

As for your throw-away comment concerning tools within software for generating
documentation... I'm also a developer and the general-purpose tools built-in to
development software are in my opinion, largely, a piece of crap! There is
nothing that couldn't be improved with the judicious use of a good Technical 
Writer.

Same goes for Legacy. If you want something that looks good, you have to do some
extra work to achieve it. Legacy is never going to write your books for you. All
it can do is lift the basic information out of the database in a
semi-presentable form that can be further manipulated. After all, the main
raison-d'etre for Legacy is the database and the recording of facts discovered
through research.

--
Regards,
Mike Fry
Johannesburg (g)


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Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestor book report - spouse events

[Paula Ryburn]

Oops, sorry, Paul.  I had not heard that phrase before  admit to jumping in to 
defending Legacy, as though it were my own child.

Questions are never unreasonable.  Your posts felt more like judgments.  
 
--Paula (aka mama bear)



 From: Paul Richardson pl.richards...@googlemail.com
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 7:23 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestor book report - spouse events



What's this, pick on a new user and new member to the forum! 


Ron, when I said 'use in anger' was wasn't referring to me being angry, just 
the fact I'm trying to use the program to its fullest capability. It's a common 
enough phrase.

I e-mailed my problem to the forum hoping to find other people who've 
encountered similar issues with book reports and perhaps receive practical and 
useful advice. Instead it seems some people have nothing better to do other 
than criticise and what I say and my experience so far with Legacy. If this is 
the purpose of the forum then I'm very disappointed and will probably 
unsubscribe.

I didn't think my question was unreasonable and I certainly didn't expect 
criticism.  


 





On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 12:54 PM, Ron Bernier ronaldbern...@bernfrin.net 
wrote:

Paul,


You keep saying that you are using the program in anger.  If Legacy or any 
program is causing you anger, then don't use it.  Nobody is forcing you to use 
a program in anger.  You claim to be a programmer, maybe you can write your 
own program that will not cause any anger for you.


Ron Bernier
Woonsocket, RI


On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 7:24 AM, Paul Richardson 
pl.richards...@googlemail.com wrote:

Hi Mike,


We use doxygen for producing some pretty decent looking manuals for our 
software products. I agree its not the easiest to use, and can be a bit 
quirky at times but in the end it works and it means every time a change is 
made to the software the manual reflects this change provided the developers 
follow a simple set of rules. In this way the manual is always up to date and 
matches the software.


In the case of family research, its all very well collecting lots of facts 
and spending lots of money in researching ancestors, storing it away in some 
database, but until you publish this information in some way, either on the 
internet or in a book, then no one else in your family is aware of the extend 
and wealth of knowledge you've discovered and there-in lies the crux of 
family history. 


I've only used 2 family history packages in anger. Generations which is no 
more and Legacy. I bought Legacy because of the reviews which indicated it 
was the best of all of them at producing reports, but the issues I have found 
by trying to use it in anger has left me wondering that if this is the best, 
then there's a heck of long way to go.


Based on my recent experiences I think I'll submit some of the issues 
encountered to the Legacy developers. 


regards
Paul











On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 7:54 AM, Mike Fry emjay...@gmail.com wrote:

On 2013/11/20 03:14, Paul Richardson wrote:

 I'm not keen on generating pdfs or rtfs and then re-editing docs. after all
 what's the point of the publishing center if thats what you have to resort 
 to. I
 also work as a software engineer and I'm used to using tools that generate
 manuals from basic text and information in the code, so if we can do this 
 for
 the software industry I'd have though it could have been done in Legacy as 
 well.

For the price, what you get with Legacy is cheap. If you want something a bit
more professional-looking, the solution is going to cost you money that you
could probably better spend on more research.

As for your throw-away comment concerning tools within software for 
generating
documentation... I'm also a developer and the general-purpose tools built-in 
to
development software are in my opinion, largely, a piece of crap! There is
nothing that couldn't be improved with the judicious use of a good Technical 
Writer.

Same goes for Legacy. If you want something that looks good, you have to do 
some
extra work to achieve it. Legacy is never going to write your books for you. 
All
it can do is lift the basic information out of the database in a
semi-presentable form that can be further manipulated. After all, the main
raison-d'etre for Legacy is the database and the recording of facts 
discovered
through research.

--
Regards,
Mike Fry
Johannesburg (g)



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Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestor book report - spouse events

[Paul Richardson]

Hi Mike,

We use doxygen for producing some pretty decent looking manuals for our
software products. I agree its not the easiest to use, and can be a bit
quirky at times but in the end it works and it means every time a change is
made to the software the manual reflects this change provided the
developers follow a simple set of rules. In this way the manual is always
up to date and matches the software.

In the case of family research, its all very well collecting lots of facts
and spending lots of money in researching ancestors, storing it away in
some database, but until you publish this information in some way, either
on the internet or in a book, then no one else in your family is aware of
the extend and wealth of knowledge you've discovered and there-in lies the
crux of family history.

I've only used 2 family history packages in anger. Generations which is no
more and Legacy. I bought Legacy because of the reviews which indicated it
was the best of all of them at producing reports, but the issues I have
found by trying to use it in anger has left me wondering that if this is
the best, then there's a heck of long way to go.

Based on my recent experiences I think I'll submit some of the issues
encountered to the Legacy developers.

regards
Paul






On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 7:54 AM, Mike Fry emjay...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 2013/11/20 03:14, Paul Richardson wrote:

  I'm not keen on generating pdfs or rtfs and then re-editing docs. after
 all
  what's the point of the publishing center if thats what you have to
 resort to. I
  also work as a software engineer and I'm used to using tools that
 generate
  manuals from basic text and information in the code, so if we can do
 this for
  the software industry I'd have though it could have been done in Legacy
 as well.

 For the price, what you get with Legacy is cheap. If you want something a
 bit
 more professional-looking, the solution is going to cost you money that you
 could probably better spend on more research.

 As for your throw-away comment concerning tools within software for
 generating
 documentation... I'm also a developer and the general-purpose tools
 built-in to
 development software are in my opinion, largely, a piece of crap! There is
 nothing that couldn't be improved with the judicious use of a good
 Technical Writer.

 Same goes for Legacy. If you want something that looks good, you have to
 do some
 extra work to achieve it. Legacy is never going to write your books for
 you. All
 it can do is lift the basic information out of the database in a
 semi-presentable form that can be further manipulated. After all, the main
 raison-d'etre for Legacy is the database and the recording of facts
 discovered
 through research.

 --
 Regards,
 Mike Fry
 Johannesburg (g)



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Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestor book report - spouse events

[Ron Bernier]

Paul,

You keep saying that you are using the program in anger.  If Legacy or any
program is causing you anger, then don't use it.  Nobody is forcing you to
use a program in anger.  You claim to be a programmer, maybe you can write
your own program that will not cause any anger for you.

Ron Bernier
Woonsocket, RI


On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 7:24 AM, Paul Richardson 
pl.richards...@googlemail.com wrote:

 Hi Mike,

 We use doxygen for producing some pretty decent looking manuals for our
 software products. I agree its not the easiest to use, and can be a bit
 quirky at times but in the end it works and it means every time a change is
 made to the software the manual reflects this change provided the
 developers follow a simple set of rules. In this way the manual is always
 up to date and matches the software.

 In the case of family research, its all very well collecting lots of facts
 and spending lots of money in researching ancestors, storing it away in
 some database, but until you publish this information in some way, either
 on the internet or in a book, then no one else in your family is aware of
 the extend and wealth of knowledge you've discovered and there-in lies the
 crux of family history.

 I've only used 2 family history packages in anger. Generations which is no
 more and Legacy. I bought Legacy because of the reviews which indicated it
 was the best of all of them at producing reports, but the issues I have
 found by trying to use it in anger has left me wondering that if this is
 the best, then there's a heck of long way to go.

 Based on my recent experiences I think I'll submit some of the issues
 encountered to the Legacy developers.

 regards
 Paul






 On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 7:54 AM, Mike Fry emjay...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 2013/11/20 03:14, Paul Richardson wrote:

  I'm not keen on generating pdfs or rtfs and then re-editing docs. after
 all
  what's the point of the publishing center if thats what you have to
 resort to. I
  also work as a software engineer and I'm used to using tools that
 generate
  manuals from basic text and information in the code, so if we can do
 this for
  the software industry I'd have though it could have been done in Legacy
 as well.

 For the price, what you get with Legacy is cheap. If you want something a
 bit
 more professional-looking, the solution is going to cost you money that
 you
 could probably better spend on more research.

 As for your throw-away comment concerning tools within software for
 generating
 documentation... I'm also a developer and the general-purpose tools
 built-in to
 development software are in my opinion, largely, a piece of crap! There is
 nothing that couldn't be improved with the judicious use of a good
 Technical Writer.

 Same goes for Legacy. If you want something that looks good, you have to
 do some
 extra work to achieve it. Legacy is never going to write your books for
 you. All
 it can do is lift the basic information out of the database in a
 semi-presentable form that can be further manipulated. After all, the main
 raison-d'etre for Legacy is the database and the recording of facts
 discovered
 through research.

 --
 Regards,
 Mike Fry
 Johannesburg (g)



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Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestor book report - spouse events

[Ron Ferguson]

Paul,

Legacy is a relational database and uses Access. What it emphatically is not is 
a wordprocessor, nor in my view should it ever contain one.

In the same way as it creates basic websites it creates basic reports. Using 
other software Legacy generated webpages can be changed. Save reports as rtf 
files and they can be amended in WORD or OO.org Writer.

As a programmer you should know that programs are designed to fulfill specific 
functions, in the case of Legacy to store data and enable its retrieval. The 
rest is a bonus.

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/

Paul Richardson pl.richards...@googlemail.com wrote:

Hi Mike,

We use doxygen for producing some pretty decent looking manuals for our
software products. I agree its not the easiest to use, and can be a bit
quirky at times but in the end it works and it means every time a change is
made to the software the manual reflects this change provided the
developers follow a simple set of rules. In this way the manual is always
up to date and matches the software.

In the case of family research, its all very well collecting lots of facts
and spending lots of money in researching ancestors, storing it away in
some database, but until you publish this information in some way, either
on the internet or in a book, then no one else in your family is aware of
the extend and wealth of knowledge you've discovered and there-in lies the
crux of family history.

I've only used 2 family history packages in anger. Generations which is no
more and Legacy. I bought Legacy because of the reviews which indicated it
was the best of all of them at producing reports, but the issues I have
found by trying to use it in anger has left me wondering that if this is
the best, then there's a heck of long way to go.

Based on my recent experiences I think I'll submit some of the issues
encountered to the Legacy developers.

regards
Paul






On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 7:54 AM, Mike Fry emjay...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 2013/11/20 03:14, Paul Richardson wrote:

  I'm not keen on generating pdfs or rtfs and then re-editing docs. after
 all
  what's the point of the publishing center if thats what you have to
 resort to. I
  also work as a software engineer and I'm used to using tools that
 generate
  manuals from basic text and information in the code, so if we can do
 this for
  the software industry I'd have though it could have been done in Legacy
 as well.

 For the price, what you get with Legacy is cheap. If you want something a
 bit
 more professional-looking, the solution is going to cost you money that you
 could probably better spend on more research.

 As for your throw-away comment concerning tools within software for
 generating
 documentation... I'm also a developer and the general-purpose tools
 built-in to
 development software are in my opinion, largely, a piece of crap! There is
 nothing that couldn't be improved with the judicious use of a good
 Technical Writer.

 Same goes for Legacy. If you want something that looks good, you have to
 do some
 extra work to achieve it. Legacy is never going to write your books for
 you. All
 it can do is lift the basic information out of the database in a
 semi-presentable form that can be further manipulated. After all, the main
 raison-d'etre for Legacy is the database and the recording of facts
 discovered
 through research.

 --
 Regards,
 Mike Fry
 Johannesburg (g)



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Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestor book report - spouse events

[Paul Richardson]

What's this, pick on a new user and new member to the forum!

Ron, when I said 'use in anger' was wasn't referring to me being angry,
just the fact I'm trying to use the program to its fullest capability. It's
a common enough phrase.

I e-mailed my problem to the forum hoping to find other people who've
encountered similar issues with book reports and perhaps receive practical
and useful advice. Instead it seems some people have nothing better to do
other than criticise and what I say and my experience so far with Legacy.
If this is the purpose of the forum then I'm very disappointed and will
probably unsubscribe.

I didn't think my question was unreasonable and I certainly didn't expect
criticism.






On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 12:54 PM, Ron Bernier ronaldbern...@bernfrin.netwrote:

 Paul,

 You keep saying that you are using the program in anger.  If Legacy or any
 program is causing you anger, then don't use it.  Nobody is forcing you to
 use a program in anger.  You claim to be a programmer, maybe you can write
 your own program that will not cause any anger for you.

 Ron Bernier
 Woonsocket, RI


 On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 7:24 AM, Paul Richardson 
 pl.richards...@googlemail.com wrote:

 Hi Mike,

 We use doxygen for producing some pretty decent looking manuals for our
 software products. I agree its not the easiest to use, and can be a bit
 quirky at times but in the end it works and it means every time a change is
 made to the software the manual reflects this change provided the
 developers follow a simple set of rules. In this way the manual is always
 up to date and matches the software.

 In the case of family research, its all very well collecting lots of
 facts and spending lots of money in researching ancestors, storing it away
 in some database, but until you publish this information in some way,
 either on the internet or in a book, then no one else in your family is
 aware of the extend and wealth of knowledge you've discovered and there-in
 lies the crux of family history.

 I've only used 2 family history packages in anger. Generations which is
 no more and Legacy. I bought Legacy because of the reviews which indicated
 it was the best of all of them at producing reports, but the issues I have
 found by trying to use it in anger has left me wondering that if this is
 the best, then there's a heck of long way to go.

 Based on my recent experiences I think I'll submit some of the issues
 encountered to the Legacy developers.

 regards
 Paul






 On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 7:54 AM, Mike Fry emjay...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 2013/11/20 03:14, Paul Richardson wrote:

  I'm not keen on generating pdfs or rtfs and then re-editing docs.
 after all
  what's the point of the publishing center if thats what you have to
 resort to. I
  also work as a software engineer and I'm used to using tools that
 generate
  manuals from basic text and information in the code, so if we can do
 this for
  the software industry I'd have though it could have been done in
 Legacy as well.

 For the price, what you get with Legacy is cheap. If you want something
 a bit
 more professional-looking, the solution is going to cost you money that
 you
 could probably better spend on more research.

 As for your throw-away comment concerning tools within software for
 generating
 documentation... I'm also a developer and the general-purpose tools
 built-in to
 development software are in my opinion, largely, a piece of crap! There
 is
 nothing that couldn't be improved with the judicious use of a good
 Technical Writer.

 Same goes for Legacy. If you want something that looks good, you have to
 do some
 extra work to achieve it. Legacy is never going to write your books for
 you. All
 it can do is lift the basic information out of the database in a
 semi-presentable form that can be further manipulated. After all, the
 main
 raison-d'etre for Legacy is the database and the recording of facts
 discovered
 through research.

 --
 Regards,
 Mike Fry
 Johannesburg (g)



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Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestor book report - spouse events

[James Cook]

You are not alone in your frustrations.  While legacy is good at data
entry, you are not the first, nor will you be the last, in voicing
frustrations over the inability to get your own data back out of it.  The
archives are full of workarounds to address these issues too - locations vs
addresses, single pics per event, no BMD pics, and so on.  I'm surprised
there isn't plugin packages available for reports, web page generation and
even GEDCOM like there is for charts.  I suppose the definition of 'basic'
is somewhat subjective, but at a minimum you should be able to get on
individual, ancestor or descendant reports all the facts, all the pictures,
all the addresses (and the rest of the other hostage data issues that go
around these threads re: reports) on all the people included in the report
(print option flags to turn on or off would be fine).  Likewise, well
formed source writer citations in GEDCOMs (save the 'can't reimport'
comebacks, that's a horrible way to share data between Legacy DBs and is
irrelevant to the need of well formed GEDCOM exports).

It would be much, much, much better to get a report with all my data
included and let me whittle it down than only getting partial data back and
trying to determine what was NOT included and manually adding it in.  This
is a fair criticism and only a request for complete basic vs partial
basic.

Finally, you are not the first to note the hostile tone that comes through
in this group.  I've been around a while and still find it very odd!  If
you don't let it get to you, and look past it, the group really is quite
helpful.



On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 7:23 AM, Paul Richardson 
pl.richards...@googlemail.com wrote:

 What's this, pick on a new user and new member to the forum!

 Ron, when I said 'use in anger' was wasn't referring to me being angry,
 just the fact I'm trying to use the program to its fullest capability. It's
 a common enough phrase.

 I e-mailed my problem to the forum hoping to find other people who've
 encountered similar issues with book reports and perhaps receive practical
 and useful advice. Instead it seems some people have nothing better to do
 other than criticise and what I say and my experience so far with Legacy.
 If this is the purpose of the forum then I'm very disappointed and will
 probably unsubscribe.

 I didn't think my question was unreasonable and I certainly didn't expect
 criticism.

 --
James Cook
GED Utils,  Ancestry Utils
http://loosestacks.blogspot.com/



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Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestor book report - spouse events

[Larry Lee]

Hi Paul,

You said 'use in anger' is a common enough phrase. FYI - I am a 66 year old
American if that makes a difference and I had never heard this phrase used
in this manner so I Googled it here
http://www.englishforums.com/English/SourceExpressionAnger/jkkzb/post.htm

Now I understand what you were saying.  I too read this as you were using
Legacy with disdain. Remember these User Group lists are international and
not everyone understands all the phraseology in every post..

Rarely do the majority of people on this list criticize others. I have
received more support from this list than any other I have used. Give it a
chance and I think you will agree.

Larry Lee
 On Nov 20, 2013 6:24 AM, Paul Richardson pl.richards...@googlemail.com
wrote:

 What's this, pick on a new user and new member to the forum!

 Ron, when I said 'use in anger' was wasn't referring to me being angry,
 just the fact I'm trying to use the program to its fullest capability. It's
 a common enough phrase.

 I e-mailed my problem to the forum hoping to find other people who've
 encountered similar issues with book reports and perhaps receive practical
 and useful advice. Instead it seems some people have nothing better to do
 other than criticise and what I say and my experience so far with Legacy.
 If this is the purpose of the forum then I'm very disappointed and will
 probably unsubscribe.

 I didn't think my question was unreasonable and I certainly didn't expect
 criticism.






 On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 12:54 PM, Ron Bernier 
 ronaldbern...@bernfrin.netwrote:

 Paul,

 You keep saying that you are using the program in anger.  If Legacy or
 any program is causing you anger, then don't use it.  Nobody is forcing you
 to use a program in anger.  You claim to be a programmer, maybe you can
 write your own program that will not cause any anger for you.

 Ron Bernier
 Woonsocket, RI


 On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 7:24 AM, Paul Richardson 
 pl.richards...@googlemail.com wrote:

 Hi Mike,

 We use doxygen for producing some pretty decent looking manuals for our
 software products. I agree its not the easiest to use, and can be a bit
 quirky at times but in the end it works and it means every time a change is
 made to the software the manual reflects this change provided the
 developers follow a simple set of rules. In this way the manual is always
 up to date and matches the software.

 In the case of family research, its all very well collecting lots of
 facts and spending lots of money in researching ancestors, storing it away
 in some database, but until you publish this information in some way,
 either on the internet or in a book, then no one else in your family is
 aware of the extend and wealth of knowledge you've discovered and there-in
 lies the crux of family history.

 I've only used 2 family history packages in anger. Generations which is
 no more and Legacy. I bought Legacy because of the reviews which indicated
 it was the best of all of them at producing reports, but the issues I have
 found by trying to use it in anger has left me wondering that if this is
 the best, then there's a heck of long way to go.

 Based on my recent experiences I think I'll submit some of the issues
 encountered to the Legacy developers.

 regards
 Paul






 On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 7:54 AM, Mike Fry emjay...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 2013/11/20 03:14, Paul Richardson wrote:

  I'm not keen on generating pdfs or rtfs and then re-editing docs.
 after all
  what's the point of the publishing center if thats what you have to
 resort to. I
  also work as a software engineer and I'm used to using tools that
 generate
  manuals from basic text and information in the code, so if we can do
 this for
  the software industry I'd have though it could have been done in
 Legacy as well.

 For the price, what you get with Legacy is cheap. If you want something
 a bit
 more professional-looking, the solution is going to cost you money that
 you
 could probably better spend on more research.

 As for your throw-away comment concerning tools within software for
 generating
 documentation... I'm also a developer and the general-purpose tools
 built-in to
 development software are in my opinion, largely, a piece of crap! There
 is
 nothing that couldn't be improved with the judicious use of a good
 Technical Writer.

 Same goes for Legacy. If you want something that looks good, you have
 to do some
 extra work to achieve it. Legacy is never going to write your books for
 you. All
 it can do is lift the basic information out of the database in a
 semi-presentable form that can be further manipulated. After all, the
 main
 raison-d'etre for Legacy is the database and the recording of facts
 discovered
 through research.

 --
 Regards,
 Mike Fry
 Johannesburg (g)



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RE: [LegacyUG] Ancestor book report - spouse events

[CE WOOD]

But not all reports can be generated in RTF!!

CE

Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 12:57:22 +
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestor book report - spouse events
From: ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com

Paul,

Legacy is a relational database and uses Access. What it emphatically is not is 
a wordprocessor, nor in my view should it ever contain one.

In the same way as it creates basic websites it creates basic reports. Using 
other software Legacy generated webpages can be changed. Save reports as rtf 
files and they can be amended in WORD or OO.org Writer.

As a programmer you should know that programs are designed to fulfill specific 
functions, in the case of Legacy to store data and enable its retrieval. The 
rest is a bonus.

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/

Paul Richardson pl.richards...@googlemail.com wrote:

Hi Mike,
We use doxygen for producing some pretty decent looking manuals for our 
software products. I agree its not the easiest to use, and can be a bit quirky 
at times but in the end it works and it means every time a change is made to 
the software the manual reflects this change provided the developers follow a 
simple set of rules. In this way the manual is always up to date and matches 
the software.

In the case of family research, its all very well collecting lots of facts and 
spending lots of money in researching ancestors, storing it away in some 
database, but until you publish this information in some way, either on the 
internet or in a book, then no one else in your family is aware of the extend 
and wealth of knowledge you've discovered and there-in lies the crux of family 
history.

I've only used 2 family history packages in anger. Generations which is no more 
and Legacy. I bought Legacy because of the reviews which indicated it was the 
best of all of them at producing reports, but the issues I have found by trying 
to use it in anger has left me wondering that if this is the best, then there's 
a heck of long way to go.

Based on my recent experiences I think I'll submit some of the issues 
encountered to the Legacy developers.
regardsPaul






On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 7:54 AM, Mike Fry emjay...@gmail.com wrote:

On 2013/11/20 03:14, Paul Richardson wrote:



 I'm not keen on generating pdfs or rtfs and then re-editing docs. after all

 what's the point of the publishing center if thats what you have to resort 
 to. I

 also work as a software engineer and I'm used to using tools that generate

 manuals from basic text and information in the code, so if we can do this for

 the software industry I'd have though it could have been done in Legacy as 
 well.



For the price, what you get with Legacy is cheap. If you want something a bit

more professional-looking, the solution is going to cost you money that you

could probably better spend on more research.



As for your throw-away comment concerning tools within software for generating

documentation... I'm also a developer and the general-purpose tools built-in to

development software are in my opinion, largely, a piece of crap! There is

nothing that couldn't be improved with the judicious use of a good Technical 
Writer.



Same goes for Legacy. If you want something that looks good, you have to do some

extra work to achieve it. Legacy is never going to write your books for you. All

it can do is lift the basic information out of the database in a

semi-presentable form that can be further manipulated. After all, the main

raison-d'etre for Legacy is the database and the recording of facts discovered

through research.



--

Regards,

Mike Fry

Johannesburg (g)


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RE: [LegacyUG] Ancestor book report - spouse events

[Ron Ferguson]

Of course, not all reports, especially charts, are suitable for wordprocessing, 
so not much point with them.

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/

CE WOOD wood...@msn.com wrote:

But not all reports can be generated in RTF!!

CE

Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 12:57:22 +
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestor book report - spouse events
From: ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com

Paul,

Legacy is a relational database and uses Access. What it emphatically is not 
is a wordprocessor, nor in my view should it ever contain one.

In the same way as it creates basic websites it creates basic reports. Using 
other software Legacy generated webpages can be changed. Save reports as rtf 
files and they can be amended in WORD or OO.org Writer.

As a programmer you should know that programs are designed to fulfill specific 
functions, in the case of Legacy to store data and enable its retrieval. The 
rest is a bonus.

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/

Paul Richardson pl.richards...@googlemail.com wrote:

Hi Mike,
We use doxygen for producing some pretty decent looking manuals for our 
software products. I agree its not the easiest to use, and can be a bit quirky 
at times but in the end it works and it means every time a change is made to 
the software the manual reflects this change provided the developers follow a 
simple set of rules. In this way the manual is always up to date and matches 
the software.

In the case of family research, its all very well collecting lots of facts and 
spending lots of money in researching ancestors, storing it away in some 
database, but until you publish this information in some way, either on the 
internet or in a book, then no one else in your family is aware of the extend 
and wealth of knowledge you've discovered and there-in lies the crux of family 
history.

I've only used 2 family history packages in anger. Generations which is no 
more and Legacy. I bought Legacy because of the reviews which indicated it was 
the best of all of them at producing reports, but the issues I have found by 
trying to use it in anger has left me wondering that if this is the best, then 
there's a heck of long way to go.

Based on my recent experiences I think I'll submit some of the issues 
encountered to the Legacy developers.
regardsPaul






On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 7:54 AM, Mike Fry emjay...@gmail.com wrote:

On 2013/11/20 03:14, Paul Richardson wrote:



 I'm not keen on generating pdfs or rtfs and then re-editing docs. after all

 what's the point of the publishing center if thats what you have to resort 
 to. I

 also work as a software engineer and I'm used to using tools that generate

 manuals from basic text and information in the code, so if we can do this for

 the software industry I'd have though it could have been done in Legacy as 
 well.



For the price, what you get with Legacy is cheap. If you want something a bit

more professional-looking, the solution is going to cost you money that you

could probably better spend on more research.



As for your throw-away comment concerning tools within software for generating

documentation... I'm also a developer and the general-purpose tools built-in to

development software are in my opinion, largely, a piece of crap! There is

nothing that couldn't be improved with the judicious use of a good Technical 
Writer.



Same goes for Legacy. If you want something that looks good, you have to do 
some

extra work to achieve it. Legacy is never going to write your books for you. 
All

it can do is lift the basic information out of the database in a

semi-presentable form that can be further manipulated. After all, the main

raison-d'etre for Legacy is the database and the recording of facts discovered

through research.



--

Regards,

Mike Fry

Johannesburg (g)


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[LegacyUG] Ancestor book report - spouse events

[Paul Richardson]

Hi,



I'm wondering if anyone with any experience of producing ancestor book
reports may be able to offer some advise with a problem I have.


I'm tying to put together an Ancestor book report through the publishing
centre in Legacy 7.5 to give to my parents, aunts  uncles. As such I
thought of producing 2 ancestor report books, one based on my grandad, the
other based on my grandmother, that way the report is not based on any one
child (such as my dad) and is applicable to all.



The trouble is, when I produce my grandad's report, in order to see his
numerous life events and photos that I've attached to them, I've had to
select Events for husband and wife in the Options for Ancestor Books
window, but this also displays all my grand mother's life events as well.



Then when I produce my grandmother's report, again I have a similar
situation where as well as seeing all her life events which I want, I again
see all my grandad's life events as well. It looks a bit poor repeating the
same content so I was wondering if there's a way round this because so far
I've not found it?



I've got to admit I'm finding it quite a challenge trying to get a half
decent looking book produced from Legacy about my family history to give to
my family.



regards

Paul



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Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestor book report - spouse events

[Carolyn]

Hi Paul,

Here is my solution, I select the person I want to create the report about, 
then select a descendants narrative report, create the PDF and save it to a 
folder.
Next I open the PDF, then copy and paste the contents into a WORD document. 
This way I have the ‘bones’ of the story, and can add in pictures, newspaper 
clippings, certificates, etc, plus change the stilted wording.
The descendants narrative report covers all children, so does not focus on any 
one child.
Give it a try and see if this will suit your needs.

Carolyn



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Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestor book report - spouse events

[Paula Ryburn]

Carolyn,
I'm wondering why you create PDF and then copy/paste into Word, rather than 
creating rich text format and opening with Word...?  I just quickly created a 
RTF file, and it even shows you where to insert which pictures.  I didn't look 
any further at it--maybe there are bugs, but I thought I'd ask.  Thx.
 
--Paula in Texas
Researching:  Adair Baker Beasley Benson Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman 
Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field 
Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Hale Harbaugh Hind Hopkins Hughes Hurdle 
Jones Klein Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche 
Ryburn Sanford Short Singer Sullivan Weller Williams



 From: Carolyn carog...@gmail.com
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 1:31 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestor book report - spouse events



Hi Paul,
 
Here is my solution, I select the person I want to create the report about,
then select a descendants narrative report, create the PDF and save it to a
folder.
Next I open the PDF, then copy and paste the contents into a WORD document.
This way I have the ‘bones’ of the story, and can add in pictures, newspaper
clippings, certificates, etc, plus change the stilted wording.
The descendants narrative report covers all children, so does not focus on
any one child.
Give it a try and see if this will suit your needs.
 
Carolyn  

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Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestor book report - spouse events

[Paula Ryburn]

Paul, I see your point.  It might make more sense to have it be two tick marks: 
 Show Individual Events and Show Spouse Events... followed by the Show 
Marriage Events.  Of course, that would have to apply to all individuals and 
their spouses in each generation of the report (programmatically logical), 
whereas what you're wanting is to just drop them on the first generation 
spouse, right?  Perhaps Carolyn's suggestion is a better way to go.  You could 
then delete the first generation spouse's events.
 
--Paula in Texas
Researching:  Adair Baker Beasley Benson Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman 
Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field 
Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Hale Harbaugh Hind Hopkins Hughes Hurdle 
Jones Klein Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche 
Ryburn Sanford Short Singer Sullivan Weller Williams



 From: Paul Richardson pl.richards...@googlemail.com
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 12:30 PM
Subject: [LegacyUG] Ancestor book report - spouse events



Hi,
 
I'm wondering if anyone with any experience of producing ancestor book reports 
may be able to offer some advise with a problem I have.

I'm tying to put together an Ancestor book report through the
publishing centre in Legacy 7.5 to give to my parents, aunts  uncles. As
such I thought of producing 2 ancestor report books, one based on my grandad,
the other based on my grandmother, that way the report is not based on any one
child (such as my dad) and is applicable to all.
 
The trouble is, when I produce my grandad's report, in order to see his
numerous life events and photos that I've attached to them, I've had to select
Events for husband and wife in the Options for Ancestor Books
window, but this also displays all my grand mother's life events as well.
 
Then when I produce my grandmother's report, again I have a similar
situation where as well as seeing all her life events which I want, I again see
all my grandad's life events as well. It looks a bit poor repeating the same
content so I was wondering if there's a way round this because so far I've not
found it?
 
I've got to admit I'm finding it quite a challenge trying to get a half
decent looking book produced from Legacy about my family history to give to my
family.
 
regards
Paul

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Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestor book report - spouse events

[Paul Richardson]

Hi,

Thanks for the advise so far.

Paula, you're spot on in that I only want to disable spouse events for the
1st generation. When I moved to Legacy a few years back the reviews
suggested this was one of the best packages for report generation and book
publishing, however now I'm trying to use it in anger I have to say I'm
quite disappointed at its capability and limitations such as this.

I've so far encountered numerous issues such as only one picture per event
can be displayed or no pictures are displayed for marriages, but bit by bit
I'm trying to find workarounds and at the moment this ones stumping me.

I'm not keen on generating pdfs or rtfs and then re-editing docs. after all
what's the point of the publishing center if thats what you have to resort
to. I also work as a software engineer and I'm used to using tools that
generate manuals from basic text and information in the code, so if we can
do this for the software industry I'd have though it could have been done
in Legacy as well.

regards
Paul


On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 11:19 PM, Paula Ryburn
paula.ryb...@sbcglobal.netwrote:

 Paul, I see your point.  It might make more sense to have it be two tick
 marks:  Show Individual Events and Show Spouse Events... followed by
 the Show Marriage Events.  Of course, that would have to apply to all
 individuals and their spouses in each generation of the report
 (programmatically logical), whereas what you're wanting is to just drop
 them on the first generation spouse, right?  Perhaps Carolyn's suggestion
 is a better way to go.  You could then delete the first generation spouse's
 events.

 --Paula in Texas
 Researching: Adair Baker Beasley Benson Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton
 Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis
 Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Hale Harbaugh Hind
 Hopkins Hughes Hurdle Jones Klein Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters
 Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sanford Short Singer Sullivan Weller Williams

   --
  *From:* Paul Richardson pl.richards...@googlemail.com
 *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 *Sent:* Tuesday, November 19, 2013 12:30 PM
 *Subject:* [LegacyUG] Ancestor book report - spouse events

 Hi,

 I'm wondering if anyone with any experience of producing ancestor book
 reports may be able to offer some advise with a problem I have.

 I'm tying to put together an Ancestor book report through the publishing
 centre in Legacy 7.5 to give to my parents, aunts  uncles. As such I
 thought of producing 2 ancestor report books, one based on my grandad, the
 other based on my grandmother, that way the report is not based on any one
 child (such as my dad) and is applicable to all.

 The trouble is, when I produce my grandad's report, in order to see his
 numerous life events and photos that I've attached to them, I've had to
 select Events for husband and wife in the Options for Ancestor Books
 window, but this also displays all my grand mother's life events as well.

 Then when I produce my grandmother's report, again I have a similar
 situation where as well as seeing all her life events which I want, I again
 see all my grandad's life events as well. It looks a bit poor repeating the
 same content so I was wondering if there's a way round this because so far
 I've not found it?

 I've got to admit I'm finding it quite a challenge trying to get a half
 decent looking book produced from Legacy about my family history to give to
 my family.

 regards
 Paul


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Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestor book report - spouse events

[Carolyn]

Probably because I am used to using the PDF option, will take a look at RTF and 
see how I like it.
Thanks for the tip Paula.

Carolyn


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Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestor book report - spouse events

[Mike Fry]

On 2013/11/20 03:14, Paul Richardson wrote:

 I'm not keen on generating pdfs or rtfs and then re-editing docs. after all
 what's the point of the publishing center if thats what you have to resort 
 to. I
 also work as a software engineer and I'm used to using tools that generate
 manuals from basic text and information in the code, so if we can do this for
 the software industry I'd have though it could have been done in Legacy as 
 well.

For the price, what you get with Legacy is cheap. If you want something a bit
more professional-looking, the solution is going to cost you money that you
could probably better spend on more research.

As for your throw-away comment concerning tools within software for generating
documentation... I'm also a developer and the general-purpose tools built-in to
development software are in my opinion, largely, a piece of crap! There is
nothing that couldn't be improved with the judicious use of a good Technical 
Writer.

Same goes for Legacy. If you want something that looks good, you have to do some
extra work to achieve it. Legacy is never going to write your books for you. All
it can do is lift the basic information out of the database in a
semi-presentable form that can be further manipulated. After all, the main
raison-d'etre for Legacy is the database and the recording of facts discovered
through research.

--
Regards,
Mike Fry
Johannesburg (g)



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