subject:"\[LegacyUG\] Source Detail"

Hi Brian:  are you able to duplicate my issue (as per below)?
Thanks!

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On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 5:25 PM -0700, lio . likeitouts...@hotmail.com 
wrote:
Hi Brian:

These are the steps I am following:

Under ASSIGNED SOURCES:
Click EDIT DETAIL
Click TEXT/COMMENTS
Type a message in the ENTER ANY COMMENTS ABOUT THIS CITATION (OPTIONAL) box
Format the citation by using the Formatting Buttons on the left side.
Click SAVE

Now click EDIT DETAIL
Click TEXT/COMMENTS

And all your formatting is gone!

Yes the bug was reported through the Legacy Home Tab.

Thanks for your direction,

leo


 From: br...@legacyfamilytree.com
 To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Source Detail Comments - not keeping formatting
 Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 11:13:27 -0400

 What type of formatting are you talking about. The issue I found relates
 to the way the comments display format codes around text versus the
 actual format when included in reports. There is no indication that
 bold, underline, italic or superscript format were lost. That issue on
 display format of source comments is still outstanding and the
 programmers never provide any estimate of when a particular issue will
 be fixed.

 Did you submit your problem report via the report a problem link on the
 Legacy home tab or via the same link on our web site? There is no
 guarantee that something reported to the LUG will be recorded in our
 problem tracking system and passed to the programmers. I sometimes test
 a reported problem and record it in our tracking system but the only way
 to ensure your problem will be investigated is to report it on our web site.

 Brian
 Customer Support
 Millennia Corporation
 br...@legacyfamilytree.com
 http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com


 On 12/05/2015 5:29 PM, lio . wrote:
  After a almost a year away I am back to working on my family tree. Back in 
  June 2014 I reported that reopening a source detail loses any formatting in 
  the Source Detail Comments. I have downloaded the most recent version 
  v8.0.0.473, and am noticing (almost a year later) it is still happening.I 
  must admit it is frustrating losing and having to correct my formatting 
  every time I open a previously created source. Is this still on the to be 
  fixed list or was it dropped? I could not find anything in the Archives. 
  Is there a timeline for correcting it? A year already seems sufficient 
  time.Thanks,Leo
 
   Thanks for your direction,
 
   leo




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Re: [LegacyUG] Source Detail Comments - not keeping formatting

Thanks! It is important to me, so I'm sure I would have reported it. But it's 
been so long I honestly can't remember :)
Would another report in the ticket system help speed a fix to be created?
Thanks for checking it out.


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_
From: Brian/Support br...@legacyfamilytree.com
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2015 8:22 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Source Detail Comments - not keeping formatting
To:  legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com


   Yes I can duplicate it but I searched for problem reports by 
you in our
 ticket system using your email address.

 If you reported it you did not use this email address because I found no  
 reports from that address.

 Brian
 Customer Support
 Millennia Corporation
 br...@legacyfamilytree.com
http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com

 On 22/05/2015 7:18 AM, lio . wrote:
  Hi Brian:  are you able to duplicate my issue (as per below)?
  Thanks!
 
  Sent from Outlook
 
 
  On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 5:25 PM -0700, lio . likeitouts...@hotmail.com 
  wrote:
  Hi Brian:
 
  These are the steps I am following:
 
  Under ASSIGNED SOURCES:
  Click EDIT DETAIL
  Click TEXT/COMMENTS
  Type a message in the ENTER ANY COMMENTS ABOUT THIS CITATION (OPTIONAL) box
  Format the citation by using the Formatting Buttons on the left side.
  Click SAVE
 
  Now click EDIT DETAIL
  Click TEXT/COMMENTS
 
  And all your formatting is gone!
 
  Yes the bug was reported through the Legacy Home Tab.
 
  Thanks for your direction,
 
  leo
 
 
  From: br...@legacyfamilytree.com
  To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
  Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Source Detail Comments - not keeping formatting
  Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 11:13:27 -0400
 
  What type of formatting are you talking about. The issue I found relates
  to the way the comments display format codes around text versus the
  actual format when included in reports. There is no indication that
  bold, underline, italic or superscript format were lost. That issue on 
  display format of source comments is still outstanding and the
  programmers never provide any estimate of when a particular issue will 
  be fixed.
 
  Did you submit your problem report via the report a problem link on the
  Legacy home tab or via the same link on our web site? There is no
  guarantee that something reported to the LUG will be recorded in our
  problem tracking system and passed to the programmers. I sometimes test
  a reported problem and record it in our tracking system but the only way
  to ensure your problem will be investigated is to report it on our web site.
 
  Brian
  Customer Support
  Millennia Corporation
  br...@legacyfamilytree.com
 http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com
 
 
  On 12/05/2015 5:29 PM, lio . wrote:
  After a almost a year away I am back to working on my family tree. Back in 
  June 2014 I reported that reopening a source detail loses any formatting 
  in the Source Detail Comments. I have downloaded the most recent version 
  v8.0.0.473, and am noticing (almost a year later) it is still happening.I 
  must admit it is frustrating losing and having to correct my formatting 
  every time I open a previously created source. Is this still on the to be 
  fixed list or was it dropped? I could not find anything in the Archives. 
  Is there a timeline for correcting it? A year already seems sufficient 
  time.Thanks,Leo
 
    Thanks for your direction,
 
    leo
 
 
 
 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Source Detail Comments - not keeping formatting

Thank you for your help!

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On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 8:09 AM -0700, Brian/Support 
br...@legacyfamilytree.com wrote:
No it would not, it would only cause extra work to have someone answer
you on the ticket system. I have entered the problem report to have this
fixed based on this report.

While entering the problem report I did find a problem that was entered.
It was based on one of your messages to the LUG in 2013 but that was on
a different problem.

Brian
Customer Support
Millennia Corporation
br...@legacyfamilytree.com
http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com

On 22/05/2015 8:56 AM, lio . wrote:
 Thanks! It is important to me, so I'm sure I would have reported it. But it's 
 been so long I honestly can't remember :)
 Would another report in the ticket system help speed a fix to be created?
 Thanks for checking it out.
  _
 From: Brian/Support br...@legacyfamilytree.com
 Sent: Friday, May 22, 2015 8:22 AM
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Source Detail Comments - not keeping formatting
 To:  legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com

   Yes I can duplicate it but I searched for problem reports by you in our
   ticket system using your email address.

   If you reported it you did not use this email address because I found no
   reports from that address.

   Brian
   Customer Support
   Millennia Corporation
   br...@legacyfamilytree.com
  http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com

   On 22/05/2015 7:18 AM, lio . wrote:
Hi Brian:  are you able to duplicate my issue (as per below)?
Thanks!
   
Sent from Outlook
   
   
On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 5:25 PM -0700, lio . 
 likeitouts...@hotmail.com wrote:
Hi Brian:
   
These are the steps I am following:
   
Under ASSIGNED SOURCES:
Click EDIT DETAIL
Click TEXT/COMMENTS
Type a message in the ENTER ANY COMMENTS ABOUT THIS CITATION (OPTIONAL) 
 box
Format the citation by using the Formatting Buttons on the left side.
Click SAVE
   
Now click EDIT DETAIL
Click TEXT/COMMENTS
   
And all your formatting is gone!
   
Yes the bug was reported through the Legacy Home Tab.
   
Thanks for your direction,
   
leo
   
   
From: br...@legacyfamilytree.com
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Source Detail Comments - not keeping formatting
Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 11:13:27 -0400
   
What type of formatting are you talking about. The issue I found relates
to the way the comments display format codes around text versus the
actual format when included in reports. There is no indication that
bold, underline, italic or superscript format were lost. That issue on
display format of source comments is still outstanding and the
programmers never provide any estimate of when a particular issue will
be fixed.
   
Did you submit your problem report via the report a problem link on the
Legacy home tab or via the same link on our web site? There is no
guarantee that something reported to the LUG will be recorded in our
problem tracking system and passed to the programmers. I sometimes test
a reported problem and record it in our tracking system but the only way
to ensure your problem will be investigated is to report it on our web 
 site.
   
Brian
Customer Support
Millennia Corporation
br...@legacyfamilytree.com
   http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com
   
   
On 12/05/2015 5:29 PM, lio . wrote:
After a almost a year away I am back to working on my family tree. Back 
 in June 2014 I reported that reopening a source detail loses any formatting 
 in the Source Detail Comments. I have downloaded the most recent version 
 v8.0.0.473, and am noticing (almost a year later) it is still happening.I 
 must admit it is frustrating losing and having to correct my formatting every 
 time I open a previously created source. Is this still on the to be fixed 
 list or was it dropped? I could not find anything in the Archives. Is there 
 a timeline for correcting it? A year already seems sufficient time.Thanks,Leo
   
  Thanks for your direction,
   
  leo




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RE: [LegacyUG] Source Detail Comments - not keeping formatting

2015-05-22 Thread Brian L. Lightfoot

For what it’s worth, I followed your exact steps and all my formatting remains 
intact. I even tried Basic style sources and Source Writers sources but there 
was no difference. No matter what other changes I made within those 
Text/Comments, all of the formatting remained as entered. Using build 473 on 
Win 7.



Brian in CA

(Note – I am not Brian in Support)



From: lio . [mailto:likeitouts...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2015 4:19 AM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Source Detail Comments - not keeping formatting



Hi Brian:  are you able to duplicate my issue (as per below)?



Thanks!

Sent from Outlook http://taps.io/outlookmobile







On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 5:25 PM -0700, lio . likeitouts...@hotmail.com 
wrote:

Hi Brian:

These are the steps I am following:

Under ASSIGNED SOURCES:
Click EDIT DETAIL
Click TEXT/COMMENTS
Type a message in the ENTER ANY COMMENTS ABOUT THIS CITATION (OPTIONAL) box
Format the citation by using the Formatting Buttons on the left side.
Click SAVE

Now click EDIT DETAIL
Click TEXT/COMMENTS

And all your formatting is gone!

Yes the bug was reported through the Legacy Home Tab.


Thanks for your direction,

leo



 From: br...@legacyfamilytree.com
 To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Source Detail Comments - not keeping formatting
 Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 11:13:27 -0400

 What type of formatting are you talking about. The issue I found relates
 to the way the comments display format codes around text versus the
 actual format when included in reports. There is no indication that
 bold, underline, italic or superscript format were lost. That issue on
 display format of source comments is still outstanding and the
 programmers never provide any estimate of when a particular issue will
 be fixed.

 Did you submit your problem report via the report a problem link on the
 Legacy home tab or via the same link on our web site? There is no
 guarantee that something reported to the LUG will be recorded in our
 problem tracking system and passed to the programmers. I sometimes test
 a reported problem and record it in our tracking system but the only way
 to ensure your problem will be investigated is to report it on our web site.

 Brian
 Customer Support
 Millennia Corporation
 br...@legacyfamilytree.com
 http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com


 On 12/05/2015 5:29 PM, lio . wrote:
  After a almost a year away I am back to working on my family tree. Back in 
  June 2014 I reported that reopening a source detail loses any formatting in 
  the Source Detail Comments. I have downloaded the most recent version 
  v8.0.0.473, and am noticing (almost a year later) it is still happening.I 
  must admit it is frustrating losing and having to correct my formatting 
  every time I open a previously created source. Is this still on the to be 
  fixed list or was it dropped? I could not find anything in the Archives. 
  Is there a timeline for correcting it? A year already seems sufficient 
  time.Thanks,Leo
 
  Thanks for your direction,
 
  leo




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RE: [LegacyUG] Source Detail Comments - not keeping formatting

Interesting, for me it happens in Windows 7 and 8. You're lucky, its 
frustrating having to update formatting each time I open a Detail Source. 
Thanks for letting me know.

Sent from Outlook




On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 9:36 AM -0700, Brian L. Lightfoot 
br...@the-lightfoots.com wrote:
For what it’s worth, I followed your exact steps and all my formatting remains 
intact. I even tried Basic style sources and Source Writers sources but there 
was no difference. No matter what other changes I made within those 
Text/Comments, all of the formatting remained as entered. Using build 473 on 
Win 7.



Brian in CA

(Note – I am not Brian in Support)



From: lio . [mailto:likeitouts...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2015 4:19 AM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Source Detail Comments - not keeping formatting



Hi Brian:  are you able to duplicate my issue (as per below)?



Thanks!

Sent from Outlook http://taps.io/outlookmobile







On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 5:25 PM -0700, lio . likeitouts...@hotmail.com 
wrote:

Hi Brian:

These are the steps I am following:

Under ASSIGNED SOURCES:
Click EDIT DETAIL
Click TEXT/COMMENTS
Type a message in the ENTER ANY COMMENTS ABOUT THIS CITATION (OPTIONAL) box
Format the citation by using the Formatting Buttons on the left side.
Click SAVE

Now click EDIT DETAIL
Click TEXT/COMMENTS

And all your formatting is gone!

Yes the bug was reported through the Legacy Home Tab.


Thanks for your direction,

leo



 From: br...@legacyfamilytree.com
 To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Source Detail Comments - not keeping formatting
 Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 11:13:27 -0400

 What type of formatting are you talking about. The issue I found relates
 to the way the comments display format codes around text versus the
 actual format when included in reports. There is no indication that
 bold, underline, italic or superscript format were lost. That issue on
 display format of source comments is still outstanding and the
 programmers never provide any estimate of when a particular issue will
 be fixed.

 Did you submit your problem report via the report a problem link on the
 Legacy home tab or via the same link on our web site? There is no
 guarantee that something reported to the LUG will be recorded in our
 problem tracking system and passed to the programmers. I sometimes test
 a reported problem and record it in our tracking system but the only way
 to ensure your problem will be investigated is to report it on our web site.

 Brian
 Customer Support
 Millennia Corporation
 br...@legacyfamilytree.com
 http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com


 On 12/05/2015 5:29 PM, lio . wrote:
  After a almost a year away I am back to working on my family tree. Back in 
  June 2014 I reported that reopening a source detail loses any formatting in 
  the Source Detail Comments. I have downloaded the most recent version 
  v8.0.0.473, and am noticing (almost a year later) it is still happening.I 
  must admit it is frustrating losing and having to correct my formatting 
  every time I open a previously created source. Is this still on the to be 
  fixed list or was it dropped? I could not find anything in the Archives. 
  Is there a timeline for correcting it? A year already seems sufficient 
  time.Thanks,Leo
 
  Thanks for your direction,
 
  leo




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RE: [LegacyUG] Source Detail Comments - not keeping formatting

2015-05-19 Thread lio .

Hi Brian:

These are the steps I am following:

Under ASSIGNED SOURCES:
Click EDIT DETAIL
Click TEXT/COMMENTS
Type a message in the ENTER ANY COMMENTS ABOUT THIS CITATION (OPTIONAL) box
Format the citation by using the Formatting Buttons on the left side.
Click SAVE

Now click EDIT DETAIL
Click TEXT/COMMENTS

And all your formatting is gone!

Yes the bug was reported through the Legacy Home Tab.

Thanks for your direction,

leo


 From: br...@legacyfamilytree.com
 To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Source Detail Comments - not keeping formatting
 Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 11:13:27 -0400

 What type of formatting are you talking about. The issue I found relates
 to the way the comments display format codes around text versus the
 actual format when included in reports. There is no indication that
 bold, underline, italic or superscript format were lost. That issue on
 display format of source comments is still outstanding and the
 programmers never provide any estimate of when a particular issue will
 be fixed.

 Did you submit your problem report via the report a problem link on the
 Legacy home tab or via the same link on our web site? There is no
 guarantee that something reported to the LUG will be recorded in our
 problem tracking system and passed to the programmers. I sometimes test
 a reported problem and record it in our tracking system but the only way
 to ensure your problem will be investigated is to report it on our web site.

 Brian
 Customer Support
 Millennia Corporation
 br...@legacyfamilytree.com
 http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com


 On 12/05/2015 5:29 PM, lio . wrote:
  After a almost a year away I am back to working on my family tree. Back in 
  June 2014 I reported that reopening a source detail loses any formatting in 
  the Source Detail Comments. I have downloaded the most recent version 
  v8.0.0.473, and am noticing (almost a year later) it is still happening.I 
  must admit it is frustrating losing and having to correct my formatting 
  every time I open a previously created source. Is this still on the to be 
  fixed list or was it dropped? I could not find anything in the Archives. 
  Is there a timeline for correcting it? A year already seems sufficient 
  time.Thanks,Leo
 
   Thanks for your direction,
 
   leo




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RE: [LegacyUG] Source Detail Comments - not keeping formatting

2015-05-12 Thread lio .

After a almost a year away I am back to working on my family tree. Back in June 
2014 I reported that reopening a source detail loses any formatting in the 
Source Detail Comments. I have downloaded the most recent version v8.0.0.473, 
and am noticing (almost a year later) it is still happening.I must admit it is 
frustrating losing and having to correct my formatting every time I open a 
previously created source. Is this still on the to be fixed list or was it 
dropped? I could not find anything in the Archives. Is there a timeline for 
correcting it? A year already seems sufficient time.Thanks,Leo


Thanks for your direction,
 
leo


 From: likeitouts...@hotmail.com
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Source Detail Comments - not keeping formatting
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2014 09:03:56 -0300

  I should add the times it looks like the formatting has 
stuck, by opening the Source Detail and resaving (even without making any 
changes) you've lost all the formatting in the Comments section.


  Thanks for your direction,
   
  leo

 
 From: likeitouts...@hotmail.com
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Source Detail Comments - not keeping formatting
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2014 08:52:21 -0300

I'm suddenly finding that any text I have in the 
Comments section of the Source Detail, often does not keep its formatting (i.e. 
bold, italics).
 
Is anyone else experiencing this?
 
Thanks, for your direction,
 
leo



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[LegacyUG] Source detail labeled do not scroll with data field

2014-11-27 Thread Bobby Johnson

I'm using Windows 8.1 and legacy 454.
Today I attempted to add a source to the source clipboard
using the blue arrow in the individual information screen. I
filled the information into the 1st few fields of the
details and when I tried to scroll down to the last two
fields the labels did not scroll. I seem to recall that an
earlier problem was reported where these labels did not show
at all. That problem was reported as fixed in 454. Has the
problem of the labels not scrolling been reported?
Bobby





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Re: [LegacyUG] Source detail labeled do not scroll with data field

2014-11-27 Thread Brian/Support

It is fixed but the fix has not yet been released in a GR. The problem
was reported with 454 not the fix.

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On 27/11/2014 9:12 PM, Bobby Johnson wrote:
 I'm using Windows 8.1 and legacy 454.
 Today I attempted to add a source to the source clipboard
 using the blue arrow in the individual information screen. I
 filled the information into the 1st few fields of the
 details and when I tried to scroll down to the last two
 fields the labels did not scroll. I seem to recall that an
 earlier problem was reported where these labels did not show
 at all. That problem was reported as fixed in 454. Has the
 problem of the labels not scrolling been reported?
 Bobby



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[LegacyUG] Source Detail Comments - not keeping formatting

2014-06-27 Thread lio .

I'm suddenly finding that any text I have in the Comments section of the Source 
Detail, often does not keep its formatting (i.e. bold, italics).

Is anyone else experiencing this?

Thanks, for your direction,

leo




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RE: [LegacyUG] Source Detail Comments - not keeping formatting

2014-06-27 Thread lio .

I should add the times it looks like the formatting has stuck, by opening the 
Source Detail and resaving (even without making any changes) you've lost all 
the formatting in the Comments section.

Thanks for your direction,

leo


From: likeitouts...@hotmail.com
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Source Detail Comments - not keeping formatting
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2014 08:52:21 -0300




I'm suddenly finding that any text I have in the Comments section of the Source 
Detail, often does not keep its formatting (i.e. bold, italics).

Is anyone else experiencing this?

Thanks, for your direction,

leo





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[LegacyUG] Source Detail information -text limitation

2014-01-16 Thread Bernd Hornung

In a basic source in the Detail Information tab, does anyone else find a
limitation to the amount of text one can enter.  I have been copying
citations from FamilySearch databases and on occasion not all of the
copied text can be added.  I have not counted the characters.  Using
build 367.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Source Detail information -text limitation

2014-01-16 Thread Brian/Support

The source detail is limited to 255 characters. This is documented,
along with the sizes of other fields, in the Help.

Help  Help Index, type capacities into the search box then display the
topic.

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On 16-Jan-2014 4:32 PM, Bernd Hornung wrote:
 In a basic source in the Detail Information tab, does anyone else find a
 limitation to the amount of text one can enter.  I have been copying
 citations from FamilySearch databases and on occasion not all of the
 copied text can be added.  I have not counted the characters.  Using
 build 367.

 Bernie




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RE: [LegacyUG] Source Detail - Detail Information

2013-12-03 Thread Terry L .

Brian

Thanks for the info. In L7.5 I had been transcribing the contents in the source 
detail. Never had a problem running out of space. Prior to your responce I 
decided to put it in Detail text and all worked out.
As far as Legacy 8 is concerned, I love it! Keep up the good work. The support 
staff deserve a pat on the back.

Terry

 From: br...@legacyfamilytree.com
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Source Detail - Detail Information
 Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2013 14:02:49 -0500

 This is a limitation of the Source Detail field size in Legacy. The
 field is defined to contain only a maximum of 255 characters. It was not
 designed to transcribe the contents, that is what the detail text field
 is for.



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Re: [LegacyUG] Source Detail - Detail Information

2013-12-02 Thread Brian/Support

This is a limitation of the Source Detail field size in Legacy. The
field is defined to contain only a maximum of 255 characters. It was not
designed to transcribe the contents, that is what the detail text field
is for.

By the way, a feature in Legacy will work the same in both the deluxe
and standard versions. I do not know of any area where we restrict the
standard version to a lesser quantity than the same feature in Deluxe.
The feature will work in both or only in deluxe.

Brian
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On 01/12/2013 7:55 PM, Terry L. wrote:
 Hi,

 I have downloaded Legacy8 standard edition. I am trying to add the text to 
 the source detail, but seems there is a limit on how much you can add. Is 
 this because I am using the standard edition?

 Thanks
 Terry



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[LegacyUG] Source detail

Hi,

I have downloaded Legacy8 standard edition. I am trying to add the text to the 
source detail, but seems there is a limit on how much you can add. Is this 
because I am using the standard edition?

Thanks
Terry



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[LegacyUG] Source Detail - Detail Information

Hi,

I have downloaded Legacy8 standard edition. I am trying to add the text to the 
source detail, but seems there is a limit on how much you can add. Is this 
because I am using the standard edition?

Thanks
Terry


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[LegacyUG] Source Detail - Detail Information

Hi,

I have downloaded Legacy8 standard edition. I am trying to add the text to the 
source detail, but seems there is a limit on how much you can add. Is this 
because I am using the standard edition?

Thanks
Terry


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Re: [LegacyUG] Source Detail - Detail Information

2013-12-01 Thread Kathy Thompson

There has always been a limit on how much text you can put into the Source
Detail area.
No-one wants an essay as part of the Citations and Bibliography.

Just put the main things in there and if you have further info to include,
put it in Text/Comments area and tick those boxes if you want it included
in your Citations lists.
If you still have more info, are you sure you're using the right area to
record your data? would some of it be better off included as a fact?


On 2 December 2013 12:53, Terry L. nemesi...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 I have downloaded Legacy8 standard edition. I am trying to add the text to
 the source detail, but seems there is a limit on how much you can add. Is
 this because I am using the standard edition?

 Thanks
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RE: [LegacyUG] Source Detail - Detail Information

2013-12-01 Thread Kurt Kneeland

I assume you’re referring to the Detail Text (Actual Source Text) box.  I don’t 
really know about the standard edition, but in the deluxe edition there doesn’t 
appear to any limit.  Once you get past what can show in the box, a scroll bar 
appears.  I entered about 50 lines worth and didn’t hit any limit.  If you 
don’t get the scroll bar in Standard, I guess it’s limited to what can fit in 
the box.



From: Terry L. [mailto:nemesi...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 8:53 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Source Detail - Detail Information



Hi,

I have downloaded Legacy8 standard edition. I am trying to add the text to the 
source detail, but seems there is a limit on how much you can add. Is this 
because I am using the standard edition?

Thanks
Terry



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RE: [LegacyUG] Source Detail - Detail Information

Yes the Detail Information Box. I only get 5 lines. In the Text/Comments I get 
6. In Legacy7.5 you get 7 lines. I will just put in Text/Comments with a note 
in Detail Information.

Thanks!
Terry

From: kurt-kneel...@sbcglobal.net
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Source Detail - Detail Information
Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2013 22:21:31 -0600

I assume you’re referring to the Detail Text (Actual Source Text) box.  I don’t 
really know about the standard edition, but in the deluxe edition there doesn’t 
appear to any limit.  Once you get past what can show in the box, a scroll bar 
appears.  I entered about 50 lines worth and didn’t hit any limit.  If you 
don’t get the scroll bar in Standard, I guess it’s limited to what can fit in 
the box. From: Terry L. [mailto:nemesi...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 8:53 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Source Detail - Detail Information Hi,

I have downloaded Legacy8 standard edition. I am trying to add the text to the 
source detail, but seems there is a limit on how much you can add. Is this 
because I am using the standard edition?

Thanks
Terry

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Re: [LegacyUG] Source Detail Problem

2011-11-01 Thread Sherry/Support

Vivian,

Open the Source Clipboard to restore the option.  It's in the lower
left corner of the Source Clipboard window.

The option is also found in Options  Customize  Sources under
Source Clipboard - Prompt for Detail


Sincerely,
Sherry
Technical Support
Legacy Family Tree



On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 2:12 PM, Vivian Gullickson White
vwhit...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello,

 I had unchecked the box Prompt for Detail on the source detail
 screen.When I unchecked' the box, I assumed incorrectly that it would
 only be for the source I had added, but it appears to have removed the
 prompt from all sources. I wish to put it back, but the box and
 selection are no longer visible on the source detail screen.

 Is this a bug? or how do I get that option back?

 Vivian


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Re: [LegacyUG] Source Detail Problem

2011-11-01 Thread Vivian Gullickson White

Sherry,

Thank you. I was going to the Source Detail screen and it wasn't
there.  The option was selected in the Options  Customize  Sources
under
 Source Clipboard - Prompt for Detail.

The confusion started with the source clipboard. There are 3 options
to check at the bottom of the screen

- include this Citation on Reports
- Verified
- prompt for detail

On the Edit the Source Detail only the first 2 options are there,
and not the prompt for detail.

Vivian


On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 2:18 PM, Sherry/Support
she...@legacyfamilytree.com wrote:
 Vivian,

 Open the Source Clipboard to restore the option.  It's in the lower
 left corner of the Source Clipboard window.

 The option is also found in Options  Customize  Sources under
 Source Clipboard - Prompt for Detail


 Sincerely,
 Sherry
 Technical Support
 Legacy Family Tree



 On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 2:12 PM, Vivian Gullickson White
 vwhit...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello,

 I had unchecked the box Prompt for Detail on the source detail
 screen.When I unchecked' the box, I assumed incorrectly that it would
 only be for the source I had added, but it appears to have removed the
 prompt from all sources. I wish to put it back, but the box and
 selection are no longer visible on the source detail screen.

 Is this a bug? or how do I get that option back?

 Vivian


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Re: [LegacyUG] Source Detail Problem

2011-11-01 Thread Dennis M . Kowallek

On Tue, 1 Nov 2011 14:12:50 -0700, Vivian Gullickson White
vwhit...@gmail.com wrote:

I had unchecked the box Prompt for Detail on the source detail
screen.

No, you unchecked the box on the Source Clipboard screen. The Source
Detail screen does not have this checkbox (it wouldn't make sense
there).

When I unchecked' the box, I assumed incorrectly that it would
only be for the source I had added, but it appears to have removed the
prompt from all sources.

No, it removed the prompt from any further use of that clipboard.

I wish to put it back, but the box and
selection are no longer visible on the source detail screen.

Again, if you want it back you need to look at the clipboard screen, not
the detail screen.

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RE: [LegacyUG] Source Detail in reports

2011-03-05 Thread Jan Roberts

OK - have been looking at report options again.  Next to 'Include source detail 
in source citations in reports' there is a reset button.  If I click on that I 
am asked if I want to 'Reset all Include source details in source citations on 
Report settings'.  Does this mean it will reset the option on all individual 
sources?  BUT - does it mean it will 'reset' them ALL to No, or reset them ALL 
to Yes because that is what I currently have ticked?  I don't want to try in 
case it resets all to No because I can't see anyway of making them all Yes if 
that is the case.

Cheers
Jan
From: Jan Roberts [mailto:poo...@ozemail.com.au]
Sent: Saturday, 5 March 2011 17:06
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Source Detail in reports

And I have just checked my Options and in there I HAVE ticked “Add this detail 
etc. etc.” as the default – but it is not working if I haven’t also ticked it 
on the actual source detail screen.

Cheers
Jan
From: Jan Roberts [mailto:poo...@ozemail.com.au]
Sent: Saturday, 5 March 2011 17:00
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Source Detail in reports

For some time now I have been puzzled about why some source citations don’t 
include the detail while others do.  I have just solved the mystery – I haven’t 
always ticked the ‘Add this detail to the source citation on reports’!  Silly 
me!  Now my question – is there a way I can globally do this or do I have to go 
through every source for every person to see if the tick is there or not?

Cheers
Jan


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Re: [LegacyUG] Source Detail in reports

2011-03-05 Thread Dennis M . Kowallek

On Sat, 5 Mar 2011 20:51:36 +1100, Jan Roberts poo...@ozemail.com.au
wrote:

Does this mean it will reset the option on all individual sources?  BUT - does 
it mean it will 'reset' them ALL to No, or reset them ALL to Yes because that 
is what I currently have ticked?  I don't want to try in case it resets all to 
No because I can't see anyway of making them all Yes if that is the case.

Whenever you are in a situation like this you can always make a backup
and then just try it for yourself.

But to answer your question, it will reset them all to your current
selection (in your case 'Yes').

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RE: [LegacyUG] Source Detail in reports

2011-03-04 Thread Jan Roberts

And I have just checked my Options and in there I HAVE ticked “Add this detail 
etc. etc.” as the default – but it is not working if I haven’t also ticked it 
on the actual source detail screen.



Cheers

Jan

From: Jan Roberts [mailto:poo...@ozemail.com.au]
Sent: Saturday, 5 March 2011 17:00
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Source Detail in reports



For some time now I have been puzzled about why some source citations don’t 
include the detail while others do.  I have just solved the mystery – I haven’t 
always ticked the ‘Add this detail to the source citation on reports’!  Silly 
me!  Now my question – is there a way I can globally do this or do I have to go 
through every source for every person to see if the tick is there or not?



Cheers

Jan



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Re: RE: Re: [LegacyUG] Source Detail (correction re: Show List)

2010-04-13 Thread RICHARD SCHULTHIES

If I understand the question correctly, using the Event Clipboard after the 
first one is completely 'filled in' carries a duplicate with all fields 
matching. Then you can change, if desired. I use a bit more for the title of my 
Event ('1870'  census) since I have multiple countries, which may have the same 
census year. I use CenU1870 for United States census, and would use CenN1870 
for Norway (if it existed). The other choices include Canada C, Germany G, 
England E, Denmark D and Sweden S. Canada and England both have 1841, 1851 etc.
When I add people to an existing census group, since I include in the 'text' a 
transcript of the census, I put the new people in the proper order with the 
others.
The trick is to come up with a naming system for 'Event/Facts' that are 
meaningful and short (to you).
I hope this helps.
Rich in LA CA

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From: BMcL Robinson b...@vodafone.co.nz
Subject: Re: RE: Re: [LegacyUG] Source Detail (correction re: Show List)
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Date: Monday, April 12, 2010, 7:03 PM



Hi Lisa
 
I think I know what you have been doing, and believe that you cannot do it in 
Legacy. I have always thought that the Legacy Master Lists were a misnomer - 
they are not master lists, merely lists. You can select from the lists and 
add notes for each application (to a person or event etc), but the notes etc 
are specific to that application (in the data for the individual or marriage) 
and do not become a sub-master list.
 
As I undertand Legacy you can find the application of each list entry, but 
cannot repeat the notes and details for another application by simply 
attaching to it - you need to enter the data again. However your question 
would be great converted into a suggestion for improvement.
 
Cheers, Brett
BMcL Robinson, Hamilton, New Zealand


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Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 11:52 AM
Subject: Re: RE: Re: [LegacyUG] Source Detail (correction re: Show List)


Hi all:
It's been great receiving all of this help and I truly appreciate it!
I don't think that anyone grasps what I'm trying to say, however, which is all 
my fault.
Ok, using the census as an example, in FTM, I had them all listed under years. 
So, under the master source of 1870, I had many, many citations listed under it:
1870 Census:
 District 17, Fincastle, Botetourt, VA; p22
 District 27, Auburn, Montgomery, VA; p17
 District 108, Roanoke, VA; p2
 etc.
 
So, after I had entered the original census information, I could EASILY return 
to the citation (Census page) and maybe enter more people on that page of the 
census. I have the actual census page attached to the citation and any notes 
that I wanted. You don't have to attach the media to each person - it's right 
there in the source.
I believe that you all have been referring to entering the source for the first 
time. And I understand what you're saying about the Source Writer. But I'm 
talking about AFTER you have originally entered the information, and then maybe 
you learn about someone else on the same page that you want to enter. You could 
just refer to the original source (1870 Census) and easily find the page that 
you want to use.
 
This same method could be used for books, anything that has many citations to 
the original source.
 
Using a book for an example, the source would be:
Title
    page 12
    page 17
    page 57
etc.
Here, each page could be scanned or quoted and only cited for the people to 
whom they apply. The scan or quote would only be attached to the person to whom 
they apply.
 
It's logical to me, but I'm still probably not explaining this correctly.
 
Anyone out there understand me?
 
Thanks!
 
Lisa Caldwell Garrett

 



Apr 12, 2010 10:42:44 AM, LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com wrote:

Kirsten wrote:

 The Show List option on the
 Master Source List screen will give you a list of all the
 individuals who use that same book as a source citation but
 it won't show you their individual source citation details,
 it only lists their ID, name, sex, etc.

Yes, but you can navigate in one or two clicks from Show List to an 
individual's screen, and then copy a source with its detail to the clipboard.

Or, from the Source List, you can click on Options (rather than Show List) and 
print a report with the citation detail, which is what I originally suggested 
when I thought Lisa was asking for a list of people with citation detail.

Connie









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RE: RE: Re: [LegacyUG] Source Detail (correction re: Show List)

2010-04-13 Thread Kirsten Bowman

Brett:

It's difficult to properly explain some of these sourcing issues, but I believe 
you're mistaken regarding repeating notes and details.  If you want to repeat 
information from a Master Source, you simply select that Master Source.  If you 
want to repeat both the Master Source and Detail previously used for another 
person then you go to an instance where you used that combination, copy it to 
the Source Clipboard, then go to where you want to apply it and plop it there 
using the method I described in an earlier post.

The details do not become a sub-master list that can be viewed, but they 
certainly can be copied from one record to another.

Kirsten

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Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 7:04 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: RE: Re: [LegacyUG] Source Detail (correction re: Show List)


Hi Lisa

I think I know what you have been doing, and believe that you cannot do it in 
Legacy. I have always thought that the Legacy Master Lists were a misnomer - 
they are not master lists, merely lists. You can select from the lists and 
add notes for each application (to a person or event etc), but the notes etc 
are specific to that application (in the data for the individual or marriage) 
and do not become a sub-master list.

As I undertand Legacy you can find the application of each list entry, but 
cannot repeat the notes and details for another application by simply 
attaching to it - you need to enter the data again. However your question 
would be great converted into a suggestion for improvement.

Cheers, Brett
BMcL Robinson, Hamilton, New Zealand





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Re: [LegacyUG] Source Detail (correction re: Show List)

2010-04-13 Thread Kirsten Bowman


Lisa:

OK, here we go on the splitting vs lumping discussion.  With Legacy you *can* 
have a Master Source titled 1870 US Census, Virginia, District 27, Montgomery, 
Auburn, p17.  You can attach your image to that Master Source, and you can add 
any details you want on the Master Source Detail tab.  The Show List option in 
the Master Source List will then show everyone who uses that specific source 
citation, right down to the page number.  If later you discover a new relation 
on that same census page, you just select that Master Source again and apply it 
to the new person.

The problem with that approach is that your Master Source List will eventually 
consist of many hundreds (likely even thousands) of sources.  This is 
splitting to the ultimate degree.  We have many dedicated splitters in the 
LUG, but I've never heard of anyone carrying it to that extreme.  The source 
list just becomes ridiculously long and eventually unmanageable.

Instead, most people decide to lump their Master Sources to some extent.  You 
might decide to have any one of the following as a Master Source:

1870 US Census
1870 US Census, Virginia
1870 US Census, Virginia, XX County
or even
1870 US Census, Virginia, XX County, XX District

Depending on which one you chose, the remaining information would go in the 
Detail section of the Source Clipboard as opposed to the detail section of the 
Master Source itself.  This makes for a shorter and more manageable Master 
Source List.  In the first example the Show List option would show you everyone 
in your database who linked to the 1870 US Census, no matter what state, 
county, or district (very extreme lumping).  In the second example, you would 
be lumping together everyone from the 1870 census in Virginia, and in the third 
you would be splitting at the county level and could see a list of everyone 
found in XX County in the 1870 census for Virginia.

No matter at what point you decide to split or lump your Master Sources, once 
they're set up you can copy them to the Source Clipboard at any time and apply 
that Master Source to a new person.  If you've split at the county level, 
however, and you find another ancestor on the same page in the same county, 
then you must go back to one of the instances where you linked someone to that 
particular page, copy the citation to the Source Clipboard, and apply it to the 
new person.  If you decide to retype the details instead of copying, you run 
the risk of creating a new source detail and will see duplicates in your 
reports.  Even the difference in typing p12 vs p 12 in the detail will create a 
duplicate citation.

I hope this will help to clarify.

Kirsten



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To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
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Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: RE: Re: [LegacyUG] Source Detail (correction re: 
Show List)


Hi all:
It's been great receiving all of this help and I truly appreciate it!
I don't think that anyone grasps what I'm trying to say, however, which is all 
my fault.
Ok, using the census as an example, in FTM, I had them all listed under years. 
So, under the master source of 1870, I had many, many citations listed under it:
1870 Census:
 District 17, Fincastle, Botetourt, VA; p22
 District 27, Auburn, Montgomery, VA; p17
 District 108, Roanoke, VA; p2
 etc.

So, after I had entered the original census information, I could EASILY return 
to the citation (Census page) and maybe enter more people on that page of the 
census. I have the actual census page attached to the citation and any notes 
that I wanted. You don't have to attach the media to each person - it's right 
there in the source.
I believe that you all have been referring to entering the source for the first 
time. And I understand what you're saying about the Source Writer. But I'm 
talking about AFTER you have originally entered the information, and then maybe 
you learn about someone else on the same page that you want to enter. You could 
just refer to the original source (1870 Census) and easily find the page that 
you want to use.

This same method could be used for books, anything that has many citations to 
the original source.

Using a book for an example, the source would be:
Title
page 12
page 17
page 57
etc.
Here, each page could be scanned or quoted and only cited for the people to 
whom they apply. The scan or quote would only be attached to the person to whom 
they apply.

It's logical to me, but I'm still probably not explaining this correctly.

Anyone out there understand me?

Thanks!

Lisa Caldwell Garrett





Apr 12, 2010 10:42:44 AM, LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com wrote:

Kirsten wrote:

 The Show List option on the
 Master Source List screen will give you a list of all the
 individuals who use that same book as a source citation but
 it won't show you their individual

Re: Re: RE: Re: [LegacyUG] Source Detail (correction re: Show List)



Yes! Brett, that's exactly what I mean.
I just remembered what might be the correct terminology... I think that in FTM, the sources are in a TABLE and the way that they are listed is a TABLE LOOKUP. Something like that. So, maybe Legacy doesn't have the sources stored as a TABLE. That would explain everything. 
Yes, I will definitely recommend this change!
Thanks, everyone, for all of your assistance!
This is a great group!!
Lisa Caldwell Garrett

Apr 12, 2010 09:04:49 PM, LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com wrote:

Hi Lisa

I think I know what you have been doing, and believe that you cannot do it in Legacy. I have always thought that the Legacy Master Lists were a misnomer - they are not "master" lists, merely lists. You can select from the lists and add notes for each application (to a person or event etc), but the notes etc are specific to that application (in the data for the individual or marriage) and do not become a sub-master list.

As I undertand Legacy you can find the application of each list entry, but cannot repeat the notes and details for another application by simply "attaching" to it - you need to enter the data again. However your question would be greatconverted intoa suggestion for improvement.

Cheers, Brett
BMcL Robinson,Hamilton, New Zealand

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To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com 
Cc: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com 
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 11:52 AM
Subject: Re: RE: Re: [LegacyUG] Source Detail (correction re: Show List)

Hi all:
It's been great receiving all of this help and I truly appreciate it!
I don't think that anyone grasps what I'm trying to say, however, which is all my fault.
Ok, using the census as an example, in FTM, I had them all listed under years. So, under the master source of 1870, I had many, many citations listed under it:
1870 Census:
 District 17, Fincastle, Botetourt, VA; p22
 District 27, Auburn, Montgomery, VA; p17
 District 108, Roanoke, VA; p2
etc.

So, after I had entered the original census information, I could EASILY return to the citation (Census page) and maybe enter more people on that page of the census. I have the actual census page attached to the citation and any notes that I wanted. You don't have to attach the media to each person - it's right there in the source.
I believe that you all have been referring to entering the source for the first time. And I understand what you're saying about the Source Writer. But I'm talking about AFTER you have originally entered the information, and then maybe you learn about someone else on the same page that you want to enter. You could just refer to the original source (1870 Census) and easily find the page that you want to use.

This same method could be used for books, anything that has many citations to the original source.

Using a book for an example, the source would be:
Title
 page 12
 page 17
 page 57
etc.
Here, each page could be scanned or quoted and only cited for the people to whom they apply. The scan or quote would only be attached to the person to whom they apply.

It's logical to me, but I'm still probably not explaining this correctly.

Anyone out there understand me?

Thanks!

Lisa Caldwell Garrett

Apr 12, 2010 10:42:44 AM, LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com wrote:
Kirsten wrote: The Show List option on the Master Source List screen will give you a list of all the individuals who use that same book as a source citation but it won't show you their individual source citation details, it only lists their ID, name, sex, etc.Yes, but you can navigate in one or two clicks from Show List to an individual's screen, and then copy a source with its detail to the clipboard.Or, from the Source List, you can click on Options (rather than Show List) and print a report with the citation detail, which is what I originally suggested when I thought Lisa was asking for a list of people with citation detail.ConnieLegacy User Group guidelines:http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.aspArchived messages after Nov. 21 2009:http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009:http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.aspTo unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.aspLegacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.aspArchived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.aspTo unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp



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Re: Re: [LegacyUG] Source Detail (correction re: Show List)

Good morning, Kirsten:Thank you for all of your time devoted to this issue.
I just sent a post explaining that I just remembered from my Database Administrator days, (a long time ago...) that the sources in FTM must have been stored as a TABLE. That must explain the difference.
I do like Legacy, but I will recommend that they change the way that they store sources.

As to your very kind explanation, I do the "extreme lumping" that you were speaking of. I have a Master Source entitled "1870 Census" and them every page that applies to that is a Source Detail. Very cumbersome in Legacy, but works great in FTM. For consistency, I will not change, since I already have MANY sources recorded in this manner. I will just hope that Legacy changes their software at some point. :-)

Have a great day and thank you, again!!

Lisa Caldwell Garrett
Apr 13, 2010 03:08:52 AM, LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com wrote:
Lisa:OK, here we go on the "splitting vs lumping" discussion. With Legacy you *can* have a Master Source titled "1870 US Census, Virginia, District 27, Montgomery, Auburn, p17." You can attach your image to that Master Source, and you can add any details you want on the Master Source Detail tab. The Show List option in the Master Source List will then show everyone who uses that specific source citation, right down to the page number. If later you discover a new relation on that same census page, you just select that Master Source again and apply it to the new person.The problem with that approach is that your Master Source List will eventually consist of many hundreds (likely even thousands) of sources. This is "splitting" to the ultimate degree. We have many dedicated splitters in the LUG, but I've never heard of anyone carrying it to that extreme. The source list just becomes ridiculously long and eventually unmanageable.Instead, most people decide to "lump" their Master Sources to some extent. You might decide to have any one of the following as a Master Source:1870 US Census1870 US Census, Virginia1870 US Census, Virginia, XX Countyor even1870 US Census, Virginia, XX County, XX DistrictDepending on which one you chose, the remaining information would go in the Detail section of the Source Clipboard as opposed to the detail section of the Master Source itself. This makes for a shorter and more manageable Master Source List. In the first example the Show List option would show you everyone in your database who linked to the 1870 US Census, no matter what state, county, or district (very extreme lumping). In the second example, you would be lumping together everyone from the 1870 census in Virginia, and in the third you would be splitting at the county level and could see a list of everyone found in XX County in the 1870 census for Virginia.No matter at what point you decide to split or lump your Master Sources, once they're set up you can copy them to the Source Clipboard at any time and apply that Master Source to a new person. If you've split at the county level, however, and you find another ancestor on the same page in the same county, then you must go back to one of the instances where you linked someone to that particular page, copy the citation to the Source Clipboard, and apply it to the new person. If you decide to retype the details instead of copying, you run the risk of creating a new source detail and will see duplicates in your reports. Even the difference in typing p12 vs p 12 in the detail will create a duplicate citation.I hope this will help to clarify.Kirsten-Original Message-From: lisagarre...@verizon.net [mailto:lisagarre...@verizon.net]Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 4:53 PMTo: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.comCc: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.comSubject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: RE: Re: [LegacyUG] Source Detail (correction re: Show List)Hi all:It's been great receiving all of this help and I truly appreciate it!I don't think that anyone grasps what I'm trying to say, however, which is all my fault.Ok, using the census as an example, in FTM, I had them all listed under years. So, under the master source of 1870, I had many, many citations listed under it:1870 Census:District 17, Fincastle, Botetourt, VA; p22District 27, Auburn, Montgomery, VA; p17District 108, Roanoke, VA; p2etc.So, after I had entered the original census information, I could EASILY return to the citation (Census page) and maybe enter more people on that page of the census. I have the actual census page attached to the citation and any notes that I wanted. You don't have to attach the media to each person - it's right there in the source.I believe that you all have been referring to entering the source for the first time. And I understand what you're saying about the Source Writer. But I'm talking about AFTER you have originally entered the information, and then maybe you learn about someone else on the same page that you want to enter. You could just refer t

Re: Re: RE: Re: [LegacyUG] Source Detail (correction re: Show List)

2010-04-13 Thread Ron Ferguson

Lisa,

In common with other genealogy programs Legacy is a Database and is in fact an 
Access database, so everything is stored in tables.

Yes Legacy does work differently to FTM, and I haven't previously commented 
because I am not sufficiently familiar with the latter. I do know that the two 
are organised from a different basis such the Legacy is orientated around the 
people whereas FTM is more Event driven. It is not always easy, or even 
possible, to reconcile the two since the philosophies may conflict. There will, 
therefore, always be some differences.

Being brought up with Legacy, I am more than happy with the way it works, 
obviously or I would have changed years ago, and I am reasonably happy with the 
way Source Writer operates, at least the way I use it.

One thing which hasn't been mention is that if a person with the Master Source 
and Detail which you require already exists, by going to that person in Family 
View Clicking the Books Icon, selecting the Event to which the Source applies 
it can all be copied onto the Source Clipboard by using the Copy Icon on the 
bottom left of that screen. It can then be pasted, altering the detail if 
required, to any other individual.

Ron Ferguson
_

Completely rewritten and revised:
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Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw
And the Fergusons of N.W. England


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  Sent: 13 April 2010 12:32
  Subject: Re: Re: RE: Re: [LegacyUG] Source Detail (correction re: Show List)


  Yes! Brett, that's exactly what I mean.
  I just remembered what might be the correct terminology...  I think that in 
FTM, the sources are in a TABLE and the way that they are listed is a TABLE 
LOOKUP. Something like that. So, maybe Legacy doesn't have the sources stored 
as a TABLE. That would explain everything.
  Yes, I will definitely recommend this change!
  Thanks, everyone, for all of your assistance!
  This is a great group!!
  Lisa Caldwell Garrett





  Apr 12, 2010 09:04:49 PM, LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com wrote:


Hi Lisa

I think I know what you have been doing, and believe that you cannot do it 
in Legacy. I have always thought that the Legacy Master Lists were a misnomer - 
they are not master lists, merely lists. You can select from the lists and 
add notes for each application (to a person or event etc), but the notes etc 
are specific to that application (in the data for the individual or marriage) 
and do not become a sub-master list.

As I undertand Legacy you can find the application of each list entry, but 
cannot repeat the notes and details for another application by simply 
attaching to it - you need to enter the data again. However your question 
would be great converted into a suggestion for improvement.

Cheers, Brett
BMcL Robinson, Hamilton, New Zealand

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  Subject: Re: RE: Re: [LegacyUG] Source Detail (correction re: Show List)


  Hi all:
  It's been great receiving all of this help and I truly appreciate it!
  I don't think that anyone grasps what I'm trying to say, however, which 
is all my fault.
  Ok, using the census as an example, in FTM, I had them all listed under 
years. So, under the master source of 1870, I had many, many citations listed 
under it:
  1870 Census:
   District 17, Fincastle, Botetourt, VA; p22
   District 27, Auburn, Montgomery, VA; p17
   District 108, Roanoke, VA; p2
   etc.

  So, after I had entered the original census information, I could EASILY 
return to the citation (Census page) and maybe enter more people on that page 
of the census. I have the actual census page attached to the citation and any 
notes that I wanted. You don't have to attach the media to each person - it's 
right there in the source.
  I believe that you all have been referring to entering the source for the 
first time. And I understand what you're saying about the Source Writer. But 
I'm talking about AFTER you have originally entered the information, and then 
maybe you learn about someone else on the same page that you want to enter. You 
could just refer to the original source (1870 Census) and easily find the page 
that you want to use.

  This same method could be used for books, anything that has many 
citations to the original source.

  Using a book for an example, the source would be:
  Title
  page 12
  page 17
  page 57
  etc.
  Here, each page could be scanned or quoted and only cited for the people 
to whom they apply. The scan or quote would

Re: Re: [LegacyUG] Source Detail (correction re: Show List)

Lisa, fair warning, it's a lot like the BORG around here - Resistance
Is Futile. You Will Be Assimilated!

I, like you, do not like that the only option we are given for Source
Details is to paste separate copies all around to every
individual/event.  I did not grasp this point at first, and it caused
a great deal of clean up on my party - This copy behavior of Source
Details in Legacy is not only true from person to person, but from
event to event on the same person.  What that means in practical user
of Legacy terms is you better get your data entry right the first
time, cause updates later, once it's been pasted around, is a royal
pain in the hiney!


Maybe an example will help clarify what I'm trying to point out here:
Say you've used a birth certificate as the source for name, birth, and
relationship to parents, and you've used the Source Clipboard to paste
that source into each of the four events.  If you run a report, all
four places might reference source #3.  Ok, all is good so far.  Now
you want to edit something in the Source Details about the
relationship to the parents, you select the entry on the Father, and
edit them.  Run your report again, and only Father has changed.  Now
name, birth, and mother relationship still reference source #3, but
father references source #7.

I guess this is why theres's even an need for a constant churn on the
lumping vs splitting idea.  If you want to be able to edit a source,
but also have your edits be reflected on every person/event attached
to that source, your only option is to use Master Sources for entering
your data and leave Source Details alone.  (I didn't say it was a
great option!)


I want to make it clear that I like Source Writer, and find it very
helpful.  It would just be so much better if we had the option to
*attach* Source Details to people/events in addition to only the
*copy/paste* option we are limited to currently.  This is a win-win
for everybody.  People like me who think one birth certificate is one
source are happy, and those that thing one birth certificate is 42
sources are happy too.



Re: Source Clipboard
 Apr 13, 2010 03:08:52 AM, LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com wrote:
 ...
 If you decide to retype the details instead
 of copying, you run the emrisk/em of creating a new source detail and 
 will see
 duplicates in your reports. Even the difference in typing p12 vs p 12 in the
 detail will create a duplicate citation.
...
 Kirsten



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Re: [LegacyUG] Source Detail (correction re: Show List)

2010-04-13 Thread Jenny M Benson

  wrote
I just sent a post explaining that I just remembered from my Database
Administrator days, (a long time ago...) that the sources in FTM must
have been stored as a TABLE. That must explain the difference.
I do like Legacy, but I will recommend that they change the way that
they store sources.

Someone else has already pointed out that Legacy, being basically an
Access database, *does* store its Sources, and everything else, in
Tables.  It is perfectly possible to access (no pun intended) your
database tables directly and manipulate them from there, if you wish.
Some of us sometimes find it possible do things that way which cannot be
done (or only with more hassle) directly in Legacy.

What we do *not* want - well, I certainly don't and I'm sure I speak for
many others - is for Legacy to be changed to be like FTM.  We use Legacy
because it is *different* to FTM and infinitely preferable to FTM.
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Re: [LegacyUG] Source Detail (correction re: Show List)

2010-04-13 Thread Jenny M Benson

James Cook wrote
Maybe an example will help clarify what I'm trying to point out here:
Say you've used a birth certificate as the source for name, birth, and
relationship to parents, and you've used the Source Clipboard to paste
that source into each of the four events.  If you run a report, all
four places might reference source #3.  Ok, all is good so far.  Now
you want to edit something in the Source Details about the relationship
to the parents, you select the entry on the Father, and edit them.  Run
your report again, and only Father has changed.  Now name, birth, and
mother relationship still reference source #3, but father references
source #7.

If the change you want to make to the Source Detail is relevant *only*
to the Father then doing as you say is fine and you get the result you
want.  If you want a universal change to that Source Detail, amending
*all* references to it you would use Search and Replace to make the
required changes and select Replace All.
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Re: [LegacyUG] Source Detail (correction re: Show List)

What I really want is one source = one source detail.  I don't want
all the extra workarounds to get that to happen.  Plus, I think there
is too much risk in your Replace All option.

Something I've ran into a number of times, and can't believe I'm the
only one
I've got a document that has a number of people listed.  The only one
I know about today is John Doe.  When entering the source in Source
Writer, there is often a prompt with a hint something like this 'Ex:
entry for Asa Clark'.  So, following along, I type in entry for John
Doe.  I move along for weeks, months, whatever time frame, and I have
several documents now, many that contain the phrase entry for John
Doe.  Now I discover a new person in my tree - Jane Smith -, and know
I've seen that name somewhere before.  Oh yes, on a hand full of those
documents that also had John Doe on them.  I follow the prompts in
Source Writer, make some reports, and Crap!  I have duplicate
citations in every way except for the phrases entry for John Doe and
entry for Jane Smith.  I don't want all that duplication!  So, I do
a Replace All on entry for John Doe and entry for Jane Smith and
replace with entry for Doe, Smith.  Run the report again, and Crap!
Too many citations were changed!!!

Nope, would be better if I could just attach the same details to
multiple people if I choose to.  When I edit it, all the linked
events/people magically are updated too.  No manual find replace
business.  Even if I change it and discover I changed all and only
wanted to change the one, it easier to change it back (magic everyone
is fixed) and then make the one copy in the one spot I need it (all
done).  Much less risk.





On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 9:05 AM, Jenny M Benson ge...@cedarbank.me.uk wrote:
 James Cook wrote
Maybe an example will help clarify what I'm trying to point out here:
Say you've used a birth certificate as the source for name, birth, and
relationship to parents, and you've used the Source Clipboard to paste
that source into each of the four events.  If you run a report, all
four places might reference source #3.  Ok, all is good so far.  Now
you want to edit something in the Source Details about the relationship
to the parents, you select the entry on the Father, and edit them.  Run
your report again, and only Father has changed.  Now name, birth, and
mother relationship still reference source #3, but father references
source #7.

 If the change you want to make to the Source Detail is relevant *only*
 to the Father then doing as you say is fine and you get the result you
 want.  If you want a universal change to that Source Detail, amending
 *all* references to it you would use Search and Replace to make the
 required changes and select Replace All.
 --
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Re: Re: RE: Re: [LegacyUG] Source Detail was (correction re: Show List)

2010-04-13 Thread Judy

Ron~

A question regarding your comment pertaining to copying a source, with
specific details to the clipboard.  I have found the clipbaord useful for
copying the source to multiple individuals, with one exception.  After
pasting the clipboard source to an individual, if I alter the text/comments
section of the source, for a specific individual in his/her source screen
(without altering the details of the source), the alteration for the
specific individual is copied back to the clipboard (after using it twice).
It is quite irritating to have the clipboard source automatically modified
each time.  Any thoughts as to how to add specific text/comments for an
individual WITHOUT having those specifics added to the clipboard?

Thanks

Judy



One thing which hasn't been mention is that if a person with the Master
Source and Detail which you require already exists, by going to that person
in Family View Clicking the Books Icon, selecting the Event to which the
Source applies it can all be copied onto the Source Clipboard by using the
Copy Icon on the bottom left of that screen. It can then be pasted, altering
the detail if required, to any other individual.

Ron Ferguson




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Re: [LegacyUG] Source Detail (correction re: Show List)

On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 09:19:46 -0500, James Cook jc1...@gmail.com wrote:

What I really want is one source = one source detail.

I think your only solution is to move all the detail info to the master
source itself (don't know how this approach would work with SW). What
you are asking for has been discussed for years and I don't see this
changing any time soon (if at all).

Is there other genie software that does it this way?

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Re: RE: Re: [LegacyUG] Source Detail (correction re: Show List)

2010-04-13 Thread Connie Sheets

Lisa, I'm not being clear either, as others have apparently also missed what I 
was trying to explain. 

You can do what you're asking in Legacy, IMO.  It will be different than how 
you did it in FTM, but I'm at a loss for how a couple of mouse clicks is 
clunky.  So let me try again. 

First, be sure you understand the difference between the Source Clipboard and 
the Event Clipboard.  What I will be describing now is the Event Clipboard, as 
it sounds like that is the feature most relevant to your example, but I use the 
Source Clipboard more often in similar circumstances.

Your Master Source is 1870 Census.  You have already entered one person (let's 
call him John Smith) into the data base with Source Detail District 17, 
Fincastle, Botetourt, VA; p22. 

First, be sure the image of this census page is attached to a Census Event for 
John Smith, not attached to John Smith the person [let us know if you need 
instructions].

From Family View, click on the Show Events for this Person icon (looks like a 
pencil on a page). 

A new screen will pop up:  highlight the 1870 census event and click Edit.

A third screen will pop up:  [This is the screen to which you should have 
attached the image of the census page]. On the right hand side, toward the 
bottom is a Copy icon.  Click it.  You have now placed the entire source, 
including the citation, the detail, any notes and any attached images, onto the 
Event Clipboard.

Navigate to the second person (let's call her Susan Smith) to whom you want to 
attach the source (lots of ways to navigate; pick your favorite).

Click on her Show Events icon, then click Add (event).

Click the Paste icon, also in the lower right.

You have now attached everything, including the image of the census page, to 
Susan Smith, with just a few mouse clicks.

Yes, you have to know that John Smith is the person to whom you've already 
attached this census, but won't you know that by looking at the census page?  
If not, the instructions you've been given in prior posts give you ways to find 
the person.

You can also have your Source List look more like what you apparently are used 
to (as Kirsten has explained), *but* you will have to change the way you define 
Master Source and Source Detail.  I'd recommend you reconsider your decision to 
stick with extreme lumping for this very reason.  It will not serve you well 
in Legacy, IMO, especially if you want to take full advantage of the EE 
(Evidence Explained) SourceWriter templates.

Connie


--- On Mon, 4/12/10, lisagarre...@verizon.net lisagarre...@verizon.net wrote:

Hi all:
It's been great receiving all of this help and I truly appreciate it!
I don't think that anyone grasps what I'm trying to say, however, which is all 
my fault.
Ok, using the census as an example, in FTM, I had them all listed under years. 
So, under the master source of 1870, I had many, many citations listed under it:
1870 Census:
 District 17, Fincastle, Botetourt, VA; p22
 District 27, Auburn, Montgomery, VA; p17
 District 108, Roanoke, VA; p2
 etc.
 
So, after I had entered the original census information, I could EASILY return 
to the citation (Census page) and maybe enter more people on that page of the 
census. I have the actual census page attached to the citation and any notes 
that I wanted. You don't have to attach the media to each person - it's right 
there in the source.
I believe that you all have been referring to entering the source for the first 
time. And I understand what you're saying about the Source Writer. But I'm 
talking about AFTER you have originally entered the information, and then maybe 
you learn about someone else on the same page that you want to enter. You could 
just refer to the original source (1870 Census) and easily find the page that 
you want to use.
 
This same method could be used for books, anything that has many citations to 
the original source.
 
Using a book for an example, the source would be:
Title
    page 12
    page 17
    page 57
etc.
Here, each page could be scanned or quoted and only cited for the people to 
whom they apply. The scan or quote would only be attached to the person to whom 
they apply.
 
It's logical to me, but I'm still probably not explaining this correctly.
 
Anyone out there understand me?
 
Thanks!
 
Lisa Caldwell Garrett

 










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Re: [LegacyUG] Source Detail (correction re: Show List)

On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 13:31:05 -0500, James Cook jc1...@gmail.com wrote:

 Is there other genie software that does it this way?

FTM?

Is there a data model or a fact sheet available somewhere that would
elaborate on this?

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Re: Re: RE: Re: [LegacyUG] Source Detail was (correction re: Show List)

2010-04-13 Thread Ron Ferguson

Judy,

I haven't. As far as I know it has always worked like this, and to be honest
I prefer it. Often when adding a comment I will wish to use it again, for
example if I use a child's birth certificate to establish the parents I will
use it for both the father and mother.

I know it is there,  so it isn't a big deal to remember that I must delete
the comment before reusing. I admit to forgetting now and again, but I
consider that to be my problem and not the program's, and I guess I would
get more annoyed by repeatably having to put something into that section
because the program has deleted it. BTW. I have always thought of  those
additional sections as part of the Detail.

I look at the the Master Source as being something which will be absolutely
the same for all users of that Master Source ie. something which will
*never* be changed whereas everything else which relates to an individual,
or only a specific number of individuals, I consider to be the Detail.

Whilst I am at it, and as an example, let's consider censuses, which
currently are the subject of another thread. I am a lumper so my Master
Source contains nothing other than (say) 1891 Census England + census
reference, with (say) Ancestry as the Repository (and it annoys me that the
Repository is no longer part of the Detail). Everything else which I wish to
include is in the Detail (including the Comments etc.). Works perfectly,
even if I have to create a new Master Source should I use Findmypast! Shame
on you Legacy grin.

Ron Ferguson


Completely revised and rewritten:
http://www.fergys.co.uk
Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw
And the Fergusons of N.W. England



Judy wrote:
 Ron~

 A question regarding your comment pertaining to copying a source, with
 specific details to the clipboard.  I have found the clipbaord useful
 for copying the source to multiple individuals, with one exception.
 After pasting the clipboard source to an individual, if I alter the
 text/comments section of the source, for a specific individual in
 his/her source screen (without altering the details of the source),
 the alteration for the specific individual is copied back to the
 clipboard (after using it twice). It is quite irritating to have the
 clipboard source automatically modified each time.  Any thoughts as
 to how to add specific text/comments for an individual WITHOUT having
 those specifics added to the clipboard?

 Thanks

 Judy



 One thing which hasn't been mention is that if a person with the
 Master Source and Detail which you require already exists, by going
 to that person in Family View Clicking the Books Icon, selecting the
 Event to which the Source applies it can all be copied onto the
 Source Clipboard by using the Copy Icon on the bottom left of that
 screen. It can then be pasted, altering the detail if required, to
 any other individual.

 Ron Ferguson





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Re: [LegacyUG] Source Detail (correction re: Show List)

Go here:
http://www.familytreemaker.com/Support/PatchDetails.aspx
Look for Link To Existing Source-Citation
Best I can do.

On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 1:49 PM, Dennis M. Kowallek kowal...@iglou.com wrote:
 On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 13:31:05 -0500, James Cook jc1...@gmail.com wrote:

 Is there other genie software that does it this way?

FTM?

 Is there a data model or a fact sheet available somewhere that would
 elaborate on this?



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Re: [LegacyUG] Source Detail (correction re: Show List)

On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 14:41:01 -0500, James Cook jc1...@gmail.com wrote:

On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 1:49 PM, Dennis M. Kowallek kowal...@iglou.com wrote:
 On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 13:31:05 -0500, James Cook jc1...@gmail.com wrote:

 Is there other genie software that does it this way?

FTM?

 Is there a data model or a fact sheet available somewhere that would
 elaborate on this?

Go here:
http://www.familytreemaker.com/Support/PatchDetails.aspx
Look for Link To Existing Source-Citation
Best I can do.

Never having used FTM, I wonder if they have the equivalent of what
Legacy calls a Master Source.

In Legacy you have:

FACT -- SOURCE DETAIL -- MASTER SOURCE

How would you depict what FTM does?

FACT -- LINK -- SOURCE CITATION

Is there a something in FTM that groups similar citations together? Or
is the grouping implied by what you enter in the citation.

Maybe a knowledgeable ex-FTM user can jump in here.

The reason I am asking this is that I wonder if the difference is that
Legacy chooses to store user data in the link table (SOURCE DETAIL) and
FTM doesn't.

Anyway, it is interesting to see how others have attacked this problem.

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RE: Re: RE: Re: [LegacyUG] Source Detail was (correction re: Show List)

2010-04-13 Thread Kirsten Bowman

Judy:

I use roughly the same method as you, but with a slight difference.  I 
transcribe the listing for the entire family in the Details and then attach 
that source to each member of the family.  It's the same amount of typing, and 
avoids the problem of having to create what is essentially a different source 
citation for each individual.  I also like being able to see the whole family 
group listed as a unit in the Details rather than just the information for an 
isolated individual.

Kirsten

-Original Message-
From: Judy [mailto:eldestdaugh...@comcast.net]
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 12:43 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: Re: RE: Re: [LegacyUG] Source Detail was (correction re:
Show List)


Thanks Ron.

Not exactly what I wanted to hear, but I can live with it.  I consider
myself a splitter, so if I have a source say - 1880 Federal Population
Census of Michigan (which never changes) I can select it from my Master
Source list, and use it as a specific source for (say in one case, the head
of the household), adding the county, Township, page and date to the source
detail and save it to the clip board.  I then like to paste the clipboard
source to each family member, adding the comments/text for each member of
the family in that given census enumeration i.e. age, gender, relationship
and occupation.  In theory, I thought the clipboard source should maintain
its integrity and not change (the blank) text/comments field I originally
pasted to it.  Oh well, I can live with it.  Thanks for your input.

Judy





Judy,

I haven't. As far as I know it has always worked like this, and to be honest
I prefer it. Often when adding a comment I will wish to use it again, for
example if I use a child's birth certificate to establish the parents I will
use it for both the father and mother.

I know it is there,  so it isn't a big deal to remember that I must delete
the comment before reusing. I admit to forgetting now and again, but I
consider that to be my problem and not the program's, and I guess I would
get more annoyed by repeatably having to put something into that section
because the program has deleted it. BTW. I have always thought of  those
additional sections as part of the Detail.

I look at the the Master Source as being something which will be absolutely
the same for all users of that Master Source ie. something which will
*never* be changed whereas everything else which relates to an individual,
or only a specific number of individuals, I consider to be the Detail.

Whilst I am at it, and as an example, let's consider censuses, which
currently are the subject of another thread. I am a lumper so my Master
Source contains nothing other than (say) 1891 Census England + census
reference, with (say) Ancestry as the Repository (and it annoys me that the
Repository is no longer part of the Detail). Everything else which I wish to
include is in the Detail (including the Comments etc.). Works perfectly,
even if I have to create a new Master Source should I use Findmypast! Shame
on you Legacy grin.

Ron Ferguson


Completely revised and rewritten:
http://www.fergys.co.uk
Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw
And the Fergusons of N.W. England



Judy wrote:
 Ron~

 A question regarding your comment pertaining to copying a source, with
 specific details to the clipboard.  I have found the clipbaord useful
 for copying the source to multiple individuals, with one exception.
 After pasting the clipboard source to an individual, if I alter the
 text/comments section of the source, for a specific individual in
 his/her source screen (without altering the details of the source),
 the alteration for the specific individual is copied back to the
 clipboard (after using it twice). It is quite irritating to have the
 clipboard source automatically modified each time.  Any thoughts as
 to how to add specific text/comments for an individual WITHOUT having
 those specifics added to the clipboard?

 Thanks

 Judy



 One thing which hasn't been mention is that if a person with the
 Master Source and Detail which you require already exists, by going
 to that person in Family View Clicking the Books Icon, selecting the
 Event to which the Source applies it can all be copied onto the
 Source Clipboard by using the Copy Icon on the bottom left of that
 screen. It can then be pasted, altering the detail if required, to
 any other individual.

 Ron Ferguson






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Re: [LegacyUG] Source Detail (correction re: Show List)

Legacy is somehow associating an individual with a Source Detail via
Id's in some table someplace, right?
The only difference I really see is that Legacy forces a copy of
Source Detail, so that each association has a brand new ID that ties
them together.  If you read that info. I pointed to, FTM also allows
for this via their Copy New Citation
 (or something close to that).  However, they offer the additional
option of Link to existing which instead of copying and making a
brand new ID, allows multiple individuals to be tied to the same
source ID.

The way I see it, Legacy is forcing a one-to-one, while FTM allows for
both one-to-one and one-to-many relationships with source details.
Basic DB stuff.



On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 3:04 PM, Dennis M. Kowallek kowal...@iglou.com wrote:
 Never having used FTM, I wonder if they have the equivalent of what
 Legacy calls a Master Source.

 In Legacy you have:

        FACT -- SOURCE DETAIL -- MASTER SOURCE

 How would you depict what FTM does?

        FACT -- LINK -- SOURCE CITATION

 Is there a something in FTM that groups similar citations together? Or
 is the grouping implied by what you enter in the citation.

 Maybe a knowledgeable ex-FTM user can jump in here.

 The reason I am asking this is that I wonder if the difference is that
 Legacy chooses to store user data in the link table (SOURCE DETAIL) and
 FTM doesn't.

 Anyway, it is interesting to see how others have attacked this problem.



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Re: Re: RE: Re: [LegacyUG] Source Detail was (correction re: Show List)

2010-04-13 Thread Judy

Sounds good, Kirsten.  I may give it a try to see how it prints out.
Thanks.

Judy

- Original Message -
From: Kirsten Bowman vik...@rvi.net
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 4:35 PM
Subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: [LegacyUG] Source Detail was (correction re: Show
List)

Judy:

I use roughly the same method as you, but with a slight difference.  I
transcribe the listing for the entire family in the Details and then attach
that source to each member of the family.  It's the same amount of typing,
and avoids the problem of having to create what is essentially a different
source citation for each individual.  I also like being able to see the
whole family group listed as a unit in the Details rather than just the
information for an isolated individual.

Kirsten

-Original Message-
From: Judy [mailto:eldestdaugh...@comcast.net]
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 12:43 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: Re: RE: Re: [LegacyUG] Source Detail was (correction re:
Show List)

Thanks Ron.

Not exactly what I wanted to hear, but I can live with it.  I consider
myself a splitter, so if I have a source say - 1880 Federal Population
Census of Michigan (which never changes) I can select it from my Master
Source list, and use it as a specific source for (say in one case, the head
of the household), adding the county, Township, page and date to the source
detail and save it to the clip board.  I then like to paste the clipboard
source to each family member, adding the comments/text for each member of
the family in that given census enumeration i.e. age, gender, relationship
and occupation.  In theory, I thought the clipboard source should maintain
its integrity and not change (the blank) text/comments field I originally
pasted to it.  Oh well, I can live with it.  Thanks for your input.

Judy

Judy,

I haven't. As far as I know it has always worked like this, and to be honest
I prefer it. Often when adding a comment I will wish to use it again, for
example if I use a child's birth certificate to establish the parents I will
use it for both the father and mother.

I know it is there,  so it isn't a big deal to remember that I must delete
the comment before reusing. I admit to forgetting now and again, but I
consider that to be my problem and not the program's, and I guess I would
get more annoyed by repeatably having to put something into that section
because the program has deleted it. BTW. I have always thought of  those
additional sections as part of the Detail.

I look at the the Master Source as being something which will be absolutely
the same for all users of that Master Source ie. something which will
*never* be changed whereas everything else which relates to an individual,
or only a specific number of individuals, I consider to be the Detail.

Whilst I am at it, and as an example, let's consider censuses, which
currently are the subject of another thread. I am a lumper so my Master
Source contains nothing other than (say) 1891 Census England + census
reference, with (say) Ancestry as the Repository (and it annoys me that the
Repository is no longer part of the Detail). Everything else which I wish to
include is in the Detail (including the Comments etc.). Works perfectly,
even if I have to create a new Master Source should I use Findmypast! Shame
on you Legacy grin.

Ron Ferguson

Completely revised and rewritten:
http://www.fergys.co.uk
Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw
And the Fergusons of N.W. England

Judy wrote:
 Ron~

 A question regarding your comment pertaining to copying a source, with
 specific details to the clipboard.  I have found the clipbaord useful
 for copying the source to multiple individuals, with one exception.
 After pasting the clipboard source to an individual, if I alter the
 text/comments section of the source, for a specific individual in
 his/her source screen (without altering the details of the source),
 the alteration for the specific individual is copied back to the
 clipboard (after using it twice). It is quite irritating to have the
 clipboard source automatically modified each time.  Any thoughts as
 to how to add specific text/comments for an individual WITHOUT having
 those specifics added to the clipboard?

 Thanks

 Judy

 One thing which hasn't been mention is that if a person with the
 Master Source and Detail which you require already exists, by going
 to that person in Family View Clicking the Books Icon, selecting the
 Event to which the Source applies it can all be copied onto the
 Source Clipboard by using the Copy Icon on the bottom left of that
 screen. It can then be pasted, altering the detail if required, to
 any other individual.

 Ron Ferguson

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Re: [LegacyUG] Source Detail (correction re: Show List)

On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 15:48:32 -0500, James Cook jc1...@gmail.com wrote:

Legacy is somehow associating an individual with a Source Detail via
Id's in some table someplace, right?

No, the Source Detail record depicts the relationship between an
individual (let's say a birthdate) and a Master Source. If you look at
tblSX (Source Detail), it contains the foreign key of tblSR (Master
Source) and the foreign key of tblIR (the individual). It also contains
the other fields that you see on the Source Detail window. I am
simplifying this a little to make my point.

My previous post had it correct:

INDIVIDUAL -- SOURCE DETAIL -- MASTER SOURCE
  1 many many 1

To do what you want, Legacy would have to redesign it like this:

INDIVIDUAL - LINK - SOURCE DETAIL - MASTER SOURCE
   1manymany1   many   1

Like I said, I wonder if FTM has we would call a Master Source.

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Re: Re: Re: [LegacyUG] Source Detail (correction re: Show List)

Hi James:
Excellent!
Thank you.
I'll have to notify Legacy of our feelings.

Lisa Caldwell GarrettApr 13, 2010 08:43:48 AM, LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com wrote:
Lisa, fair warning, it's a lot like the BORG around here - "ResistanceIs Futile. You Will Be Assimilated!"I, like you, do not like that the only option we are given for SourceDetails is to paste separate copies all around to everyindividual/event. I did not grasp this point at first, and it causeda great deal of clean up on my party - This copy behavior of SourceDetails in Legacy is not only true from person to person, but fromevent to event on the same person. What that means in practical userof Legacy terms is you better get your data entry right the firsttime, cause updates later, once it's been pasted around, is a royalpain in the hiney!Maybe an example will help clarify what I'm trying to point out here:Say you've used a birth certificate as the source for name, birth, andrelationship to parents, and you've used the Source Clipboard to pastethat source into each of the four events. If you run a report, allfour places might reference source #3. Ok, all is good so far. Nowyou want to edit something in the Source Details about therelationship to the parents, you select the entry on the Father, andedit them. Run your report again, and only Father has changed. Nowname, birth, and mother relationship still reference source #3, butfather references source #7.I guess this is why theres's even an need for a constant churn on thelumping vs splitting idea. If you want to be able to edit a source,but also have your edits be reflected on every person/event attachedto that source, your only option is to use Master Sources for enteringyour data and leave Source Details alone. (I didn't say it was agreat option!)I want to make it clear that I like Source Writer, and find it veryhelpful. It would just be so much better if we had the option to*attach* Source Details to people/events in addition to only the*copy/paste* option we are limited to currently. This is a win-winfor everybody. People like me who think one birth certificate is onesource are happy, and those that thing one birth certificate is 42sources are happy too.Re: Source Clipboard Apr 13, 2010 03:08:52 AM, LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com wrote: ... If you decide to retype the details instead of copying, you run the risk of creating a new source detail and will see duplicates in your reports. Even the difference in typing p12 vs p 12 in the detail will create a duplicate citation KirstenLegacy User Group guidelines:http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.aspArchived messages after Nov. 21 2009:http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009:http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.aspTo unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp

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Re: Re: [LegacyUG] Source Detail (correction re: Show List)

Hi Jenny:
And I agree. The reason that I switched from FTM to Legacy is that Legacy is much better. However, this issue is an important one. I have also seen others discuss this on the internet.
The post before yours from James may explain some of the drawbacks that I have been speaking of.
Thank you for your response.
Lisa Caldwell GarrettApr 13, 2010 08:56:50 AM, LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com wrote:
wroteI just sent a post explaining that I just remembered from my DatabaseAdministrator days, (a long time ago...) that the sources in FTM musthave been stored as a TABLE. That must explain the difference.I do like Legacy, but I will recommend that they change the way thatthey store sources.Someone else has already pointed out that Legacy, being basically anAccess database, *does* store its Sources, and everything else, inTables. It is perfectly possible to access (no pun intended) yourdatabase tables directly and manipulate them from there, if you wish.Some of us sometimes find it possible do things that way which cannot bedone (or only with more hassle) directly in Legacy.What we do *not* want - well, I certainly don't and I'm sure I speak formany others - is for Legacy to be changed to be like FTM. We use Legacybecause it is *different* to FTM and infinitely preferable to FTM.--Jenny M BensonLegacy User Group guidelines:http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.aspArchived messages after Nov. 21 2009:http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009:http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.aspTo unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp

Re: [LegacyUG] Source Detail (correction re: Show List)

Hmm... Seems a bit odd to me, but if that's how it is, you are right,
it would take a new table to make this happen.  Would be worth while
IMO still.


On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 4:17 PM, Dennis M. Kowallek kowal...@iglou.com wrote:
 On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 15:48:32 -0500, James Cook jc1...@gmail.com wrote:

Legacy is somehow associating an individual with a Source Detail via
Id's in some table someplace, right?

 No, the Source Detail record depicts the relationship between an
 individual (let's say a birthdate) and a Master Source. If you look at
 tblSX (Source Detail), it contains the foreign key of tblSR (Master
 Source) and the foreign key of tblIR (the individual). It also contains
 the other fields that you see on the Source Detail window. I am
 simplifying this a little to make my point.

 My previous post had it correct:

        INDIVIDUAL -- SOURCE DETAIL -- MASTER SOURCE
              1     many             many     1

 To do what you want, Legacy would have to redesign it like this:

 INDIVIDUAL - LINK - SOURCE DETAIL - MASTER SOURCE
           1    many    many    1               many   1

 Like I said, I wonder if FTM has we would call a Master Source.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Source Detail (correction re: Show List)