Fwd: Mac OS X: Disk Utility's Repair Disk Permissions messages that you can safely ignore

2012-08-14 Thread Dean Adams
Hi,
Here is a list of things apple say you can ignore  when doing verify 
disc permissions the link to the information is below .
Regards Dean

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 Subject: Mac OS X: Disk Utility's Repair Disk Permissions messages that you 
 can safely ignore
 Date: 14 August 2012 4:48:55 PM AEST
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 Hello,
 Elijah thought you might find this article useful. We hope it helps resolve 
 your technical issue.
 Mac OS X: Disk Utility's Repair Disk Permissions messages that you can 
 safely ignore
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Re: multiple messages from macvisionaries group

2012-08-14 Thread Andrew Lamanche
Dear Ioana,

Yes, I have a rule set up on my mac in mail preferences that moves messages 
from macvisionaries to a mailbox I have created. I have not got any rules in 
Google itself - I did not know it was possible.. And I have turned off all the 
labels.

Thanks for trying to help. I will double check the labels in Google in case I 
missed something.

Andrew
On 13 Aug 2012, at 23:49, Ioana Gandrabur igandra...@gmail.com wrote:

 Do you have any rools set up to move messages from macvisionaries into a 
 setain folder? IF so, are they on the mac or on google? 
 Do I understand correctly that you turned all labels off in gmail?
 
 Just trying to get a picture of your setup to see what can be done.
 
 Best,
 
 Ioana
 
 Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online 
 stores.
 
 On Aug 13, 2012, at 5:31 PM, Andrew Lamanche andrew.laman...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hello Iona,
 
 I am so puzzled about this because since upgrading to Mountain Lion, I get 
 these duplicate messages in macvisionaries group as well as the iPhone 
 group. This did not happen before the upgrade. I did not think labels would 
 be a problem but I have removed them anyway in case, especially that Harry 
 suggested it and it had a positive effect for him. I have been looking for a 
 clue in my gmail setting but I haven't found anything so far. 
 
 Best wishes
 
 Andrew
 On 13 Aug 2012, at 22:05, Ioana Gandrabur igandra...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 It would be interesting to check what settings do using Gmail. I also use 
 labels in Gmail and never received any duplicates of the messages in my 
 inbox. Good luck
 Ioana
 Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online 
 stores.
 
 On Aug 13, 2012, at 5:03 PM, Andrew Lamanche andrew.laman...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hello Everyone,
 
 I've already asked before about the problem of receiving multiple copies 
 of messages from macvisionaries group. Harry has offered me suggestions to 
 do with labels in gmail (which is the mail provider for me) but they 
 haven't sold the problem. I vaguely seem to remember that I had the same 
 issue under Lion but I can't remember how I had solved it then. I seem to 
 receive two copies of each message in my inbox. Please help if you have 
 any ideas.
 
 With best wishes and thanks
 
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iPhoto and email

2012-08-14 Thread Garth Humphreys
Hi 

I just tried to send a photo by using the action menu and email from within 
iPhoto. I got errors that the server wouldn't respond. I was then able to copy 
the photo and paste it into a email created from within Mail and send normally. 
I then repeated the same steps again with the same results. That is the email 
created in iPhoto would not send but the email created in Mail would. I had the 
same pop up button on the email created in iPhoto as I do in mail which allows 
the choice of sending account. I tried to send from multiple accounts in iPhoto 
with the same result.

Anyone know why there would be a difference? 
Garth
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Renaming my Mac

2012-08-14 Thread Garth Humphreys
Hi 

I know this might be a strange question but how would I go about renaming my 
Mac. It's current default name is Garth's Mac Book Air but I would like to 
change this 

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Re: A way to renable the backspace key to go back a page in Safari

2012-08-14 Thread Steve Holmes
I have fairly limited experience with all of Safari but I have always used the 
Commend-arrow keys to go back but I use tabs as much as possible.  I believe 
Safari under Mountain Lion does more with tabs instead of opening new windows.  
I usually go back by pressing Command-w to close tab or window and that usually 
works for me.  Maybe I'm missing something too.

On Aug 5, 2012, at 8:54 AM, Bill Holton bill32...@gmail.com wrote:

 Can I join you in that corner?  I couldn't get command left/right arrow to
 work...because I was always on a new tab with no back or forward pages to go
 to.
 
 
 
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 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker
 Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2012 11:00 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: A way to renable the backspace key to go back a page in Safari
 
 Wow!
 
 How on earth did I miss that?  My bad. haha. I'll go sit over here in the
 corner now.
 
 Some alternatives you can use are, command left/right bracket or, command
 left/right arrow. :)
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rica...@appletothecore.info
 Twitter:@apple2thecore
 www.appletothecore.info
 
 On Aug 5, 2012, at 10:26 AM, Bill Holton bill32...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Maybe it's me who's missing something.  With ML and Safari 6, the 
 backspace key has stopped moving me back and the shift backspace key 
 has stopped moving me forward.  I have tried both with and without quick
 nav on.
 
 
 
 BILL HOLTON
 Email:   b...@bholton.com
 Direct:  386-624-6309
 Homepage:www.bholton.com
 Home Office: 1520 Loughton ST
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 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker
 Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2012 10:24 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: A way to renable the backspace key to go back a page in 
 Safari
 
 Am I missing something here? I'm able to press backspace to go back a 
 page without configuring anything.
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rica...@appletothecore.info
 Twitter:@apple2thecore
 www.appletothecore.info
 
 On Aug 4, 2012, at 9:30 PM, Christopher-Mark gilland 
 clgillan...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 I definitely wouldn't wanna do this, as like the tip states, you then 
 lose
 your ability to delete inputted text, so, if I make a booboo on a web 
 based e-mail service and I'm 3 paragraphs deep, and I only have a 
 backspace key, not a full delete key on my keyboard, then, guess what, 
 I'm screwed.  Looks like Im gonna be typing the whole thing over from 
 the top... or... did I miss something?
 
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Bill Holton
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2012 9:26 PM
 Subject: A way to renable the backspace key to go back a page in 
 Safari
 
 Has anyone tried this?  Or is there a better way to get a better 
 command
 to go back in Safari..
 adtag.gif
 Re-enable the backspace key to go back a page in Safari 6 
 t_browsers.png Aug 03, '12 07:30:00AM . Contributed by: philwo It 
 seems like Apple disabled the Press Backspace to go back a page 
 feature
 in Safari 6 due to users having complained about losing text entered 
 in text fields when they accidentally pressed the backspace key. If 
 you liked this feature, you can enable it again using this command:
 defaults write com.apple.Safari NSUserKeyEquivalents -dict-add Back
 \U232b
 If you ever want to disable it, there are two possibilities. The 
 first, if
 you don't have any other shortcuts for Safari, is to run this command:
 defaults delete com.apple.Safari NSUserKeyEquivalents It will delete 
 all Safari keyboard shortcuts.
 
 The second method is a bit more time-consuming. You need to first 
 create a
 keyboard shortcut for Safari, for the Back command, in the preferences.
 Then, if you apply the first command above, you'll be able to delete 
 it. If you don't have a shortcut set up for the Back command before 
 running the first command above, it won't display in the Keyboard 
 Shortcut preferences, and you won't be able to delete it from the 
 preference pane. It seems like using the defaults command to set up a 
 shortcut only displays that shortcut in the preference pane if you already
 have a shortcut created.
   . 
 . Currently 4.17 / 5
 You rated: 3 / 5 (6 votes cast)
 
 
 
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Ripping from cd to .ogg vorbis

2012-08-14 Thread Chris Gilland
Hello guys. I know that I can rip into MP3 format using iTunes, however, is 
there a way that I can somehow get an application which will allow me to rip 
from a CD into ogg format?

Thanks for any help. Chris.

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Re: Ripping from cd to .ogg vorbis

2012-08-14 Thread erik burggraaf
That would be max from www.sbooth.org.

Best,

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On 2012-08-14, at 7:40 AM, Chris Gilland wrote:

 Hello guys. I know that I can rip into MP3 format using iTunes, however, is 
 there a way that I can somehow get an application which will allow me to rip 
 from a CD into ogg format?
 
 Thanks for any help. Chris.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
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Re: Renaming my Mac

2012-08-14 Thread Gavin Grundlingh
Hi Garth,

To rename your Mac, open System Preferences and click on Sharing. If you then 
VO-Right past the toolbar, you'll see a Computer name text field. If the name 
is dimmed, just uncheck the box that says, Click the lock to make changes, 
enter your password, and you'll be able to change the name of your computer. 
Hope this helps.

Regards,

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On 14 Aug 2012, at 1:30 PM, Garth Humphreys ghu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi 
 
 I know this might be a strange question but how would I go about renaming my 
 Mac. It's current default name is Garth's Mac Book Air but I would like to 
 change this 
 
 Garth
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Calendar Appointments on the Mac

2012-08-14 Thread Steve Holmes
I have a question about the list of appointments possible in Calendar.  On IOS 
devices, you can see a full list view of all appointments, past and present in 
a single view.  I was thinking since Mountain Lion's approach in many apps is 
more closely similar to their IOS counterparts,, that list could be shown on 
the Mac as well.  Alas, I haven't been able to do that.  Is a single list of 
all events even possible on the Mac? I can get a list within a specific period 
of time like week or month view but I would like to see the list like I can on 
my iPod.

Any ideas?

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Re: Renaming my Mac

2012-08-14 Thread Garth Humphreys
Cheers Gavin, I was digging around in Users and Groups, completely skipped over 
sharing. 
On 14/08/2012, at 10:11 PM, Gavin Grundlingh g.batw...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Garth,
 
 To rename your Mac, open System Preferences and click on Sharing. If you 
 then VO-Right past the toolbar, you'll see a Computer name text field. If 
 the name is dimmed, just uncheck the box that says, Click the lock to make 
 changes, enter your password, and you'll be able to change the name of your 
 computer. Hope this helps.
 
 Regards,
 
 Gavin Grundlingh
 Phone: +27 (0) 83 713-6191
 Secondary Phone: +27 (0) 79 157-2466
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 Email: g.batw...@gmail.com
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 Skype: Batworx
 Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/batworx
 Twitter: http://twitter.com/batworx
 
 On 14 Aug 2012, at 1:30 PM, Garth Humphreys ghu...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi 
 
 I know this might be a strange question but how would I go about renaming my 
 Mac. It's current default name is Garth's Mac Book Air but I would like to 
 change this 
 
 Garth
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A few queries related to programming: vim, configuration files, etc

2012-08-14 Thread Venkatesh Potluri
Hello listers. I have a few questions related to programming on the
mac. I frequently code in C, C++, Python and Java, and I often come
across situations where I have to edit configuration files for a few
applications, etc.
1. what is the best editor or IDE?
I have tried using vim from the terminal but, I face a difficulty in
navigating around the text  and editing it. VO reads some text, when I
take the curser to the place I want to edit and Hit the delete key,
text from else where gets deleted. Am I doing something wrong?
Is there any way to use xCode to open a blank file, code in the
language I prefer(at least C ), and run the code? I guess doing this
would help me use the auto complete features of xCode.
2. how do I edit configuration files using text edit or some other GUI editor?
sinse vim was not of any help to me, I tried to edit configuration
files in textedit using the open command from the terminal. but, in
come cases, after editing, I get an error while saving saying  you
don't own this file . I am in the  sudo su  mode, stil I get this
error.
I request you to give your valuable suggestions or workarounds at the
earliest as I am unable to do my course assignments and loosing
grades.
Thank you in advance.
Cheers
Venkatesh Potluri

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Re: Having Mail not automatically mark a message as read when I move to it

2012-08-14 Thread matthew Dyer
Hi,

Could I have the steps please I need to disable the pain since It seems to have 
reappeared for some strange reaspon.  Thanks.

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On Aug 13, 2012, at 5:03 PM, Ioana Gandrabur wrote:

 Hi
 
 Just a quick note to say that you can hide the preview pane also by using 
 keyboard shortcuts. There have been posts to that effect on the list also. If 
 anybody wants me to write steps just let me know.
 
 Take care,
 
 Ioana
 
 Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online 
 stores.
 
 On Aug 1, 2012, at 9:59 AM, Tim Kilburn kilbur...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Harry,
 
 I'll paste in here my instructions I posted in a different thread with the 
 steps you can use to get rid of the Preview Pane in Mountain Lion Mail.
 
 1.  Removing the Preview Pane in Classic layout:
 
 • Navigate to the Horizontal Splitter that is to the right of the Messages 
 table.
 • Press VO-cmd-f5 (add FN if needed).  This will bring the mouse to the VO 
 cursor and announce where the mouse is and it should read Horizontal 
 Splitter.
 • Double-click on your Trackpad or alternatively, you can press near the top 
 of the Trackpad and drag to the bottom.  Make sure in this case that you 
 actually make the Trackpad button depress so that the drag action will work.
 
 2.  Removing the Preview Pane for non-Classic layout:
 
 • Navigate to the Vertical Splitter just to the right of the Messages Column 
 Group.
 • Press VO-cmd-f5 (add FN if necessary) to bring the mouse to the VO cursor. 
  It will announce Vertical Splitter if it did what it was supposed to do.
 • Double-click on the Trackpad or alternatively, put your finger near the 
 left hand side of the Trackpad, then drag to the far right and release.  As 
 in the first case, make sure that you depress the Trackpad button so that 
 the dragging process will occur.
 
 Note that in the Classic layout, you are dealing with a Horizontal Splitter 
 and in the non-Classic layout, you are dealing with a Vertical Splitter.  
 Each case requires a different dragging direction if you choose that option.
 
 There are a couple of ways of determining if it worked.  Firstly, you can 
 navigate around the Mail screen and if you don't hear anything about 
 Message Content Area, life is good.
 
 The second method is a little more complicated but tells you for sure.  In 
 Classic layout, navigate to the Horizontal Splitter to the right of the New 
 Mailbox Action menu.  You'll notice two Horizontal splitters, one after the 
 Messages Table and this one that I'm talking about.  Once you've located 
 this Horizontal Splitter, Interact with it and press VO-down.  Vo will 
 announce Collapsed which is what you want to hear.  In non-Classic layout, 
 navigate to the Vertical Splitter just to the right of the Messages Column 
 Group and Interact with it.  Press VO-right and VO will announce Collapsed 
 if the Preview pane is gone.
 
 HTH.
 
 Later...
 
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On 2012-08-01, at 1:23 AM, Harry Hogue harryhog...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Anne,
 
 Wow -- I just now switched to classic view to see the differences, and it 
 is unnerving.  I think I will keep standard view for now but will try and 
 move the preview panel.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Harry
 
 On Aug 1, 2012, at 1:11 AM, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote:
 
 Hello Harry,
 
 You need to get rid of the preview panel. That will stop Mail from opening 
 every message you land on. I'm unable to help you with how to do this for 
 two reasons: I haven't yet upgraded to Mountain Lion and I use Classic 
 View in Mail.
 
 However, if you can find the horizontal splitter between the headers and 
 the body of the message, bring the mouse and double click using the 
 trackpad and it might just work.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 
 On 1 Aug 2012, at 05:58, Harry Hogue wrote:
 
 Hi, guys,
 
 I've never changed my Mail preferences at all from when Mail came with my 
 computer on Snow Leopard, and I haven't changed it for Mountain Lion, 
 either.  When I move to a message or a message thread, the message I am 
 focused on becomes read, so that VoiceOver will read something like, Two 
 message conversation collapsed Triangle, John Smith, The subject here, 
 two conversation message collapsed disclosure triangle, Jane Doe, subject 
 here.  I hope this isn't too confusing.  it's kind of hard to explain.  
 Basically it marks the current message as read and repeats all of the 
 thread information a second time, replacing the information with the next 
 name in the thread.
 
 Does this make sense?  I think this topic has been covered before, but I 
 don't remember under what thread or what to search for.  Help is 
 appreciated.  If someone has a link to the thread I can read it on there.
 
 Regards,
 
 

Re: Having Mail not automatically mark a message as read when I move to it

2012-08-14 Thread matthew Dyer
Hey.  How do I inable mouse keys in voiceover in sl does anyone remember.  I do 
not have a mouse of any kind on my machine so will have to use the mouse keys  
to do this.

Matthew


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On Aug 13, 2012, at 8:43 PM, Ioana Gandrabur wrote:

 Hi,
 I can only give you steps in standard (not classic) view.
 1. go to messages column. NOt the table inside the colun. 
 2. vo right once to vertical splitter.
 3. interact 
 4. vo command f5 to bring mouse on it.
 5. optional make sure mouse is there with vo f5
 6. In lion this did not work but now in ml you can perform a mouse double 
 click by pressing vo shift space twice quickly.
 7. preview column  should be gone. Verify by vo right after the vertical 
 splitter. If there follows a horizontal one you are in business.
 
 hth,
 
 Ioana
 Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online 
 stores.
 
 On Aug 13, 2012, at 7:30 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I would love steps. I'm not sure what happened to the other email that
 had them, but I can't find it. Thanks.
 
 On 8/13/12, Ioana Gandrabur igandra...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi
 
 Just a quick note to say that you can hide the preview pane also by using
 keyboard shortcuts. There have been posts to that effect on the list also.
 If anybody wants me to write steps just let me know.
 
 Take care,
 
 Ioana
 
 Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online
 stores.
 
 On Aug 1, 2012, at 9:59 AM, Tim Kilburn kilbur...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Harry,
 
 I'll paste in here my instructions I posted in a different thread with the
 steps you can use to get rid of the Preview Pane in Mountain Lion Mail.
 
 1.  Removing the Preview Pane in Classic layout:
 
 • Navigate to the Horizontal Splitter that is to the right of the Messages
 table.
 • Press VO-cmd-f5 (add FN if needed).  This will bring the mouse to the VO
 cursor and announce where the mouse is and it should read Horizontal
 Splitter.
 • Double-click on your Trackpad or alternatively, you can press near the
 top of the Trackpad and drag to the bottom.  Make sure in this case that
 you actually make the Trackpad button depress so that the drag action will
 work.
 
 2.  Removing the Preview Pane for non-Classic layout:
 
 • Navigate to the Vertical Splitter just to the right of the Messages
 Column Group.
 • Press VO-cmd-f5 (add FN if necessary) to bring the mouse to the VO
 cursor.  It will announce Vertical Splitter if it did what it was supposed
 to do.
 • Double-click on the Trackpad or alternatively, put your finger near the
 left hand side of the Trackpad, then drag to the far right and release.
 As in the first case, make sure that you depress the Trackpad button so
 that the dragging process will occur.
 
 Note that in the Classic layout, you are dealing with a Horizontal
 Splitter and in the non-Classic layout, you are dealing with a Vertical
 Splitter.  Each case requires a different dragging direction if you choose
 that option.
 
 There are a couple of ways of determining if it worked.  Firstly, you can
 navigate around the Mail screen and if you don't hear anything about
 Message Content Area, life is good.
 
 The second method is a little more complicated but tells you for sure.  In
 Classic layout, navigate to the Horizontal Splitter to the right of the
 New Mailbox Action menu.  You'll notice two Horizontal splitters, one
 after the Messages Table and this one that I'm talking about.  Once you've
 located this Horizontal Splitter, Interact with it and press VO-down.  Vo
 will announce Collapsed which is what you want to hear.  In non-Classic
 layout, navigate to the Vertical Splitter just to the right of the
 Messages Column Group and Interact with it.  Press VO-right and VO will
 announce Collapsed if the Preview pane is gone.
 
 HTH.
 
 Later...
 
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On 2012-08-01, at 1:23 AM, Harry Hogue harryhog...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Anne,
 
 Wow -- I just now switched to classic view to see the differences, and it
 is unnerving.  I think I will keep standard view for now but will try and
 move the preview panel.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Harry
 
 On Aug 1, 2012, at 1:11 AM, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote:
 
 Hello Harry,
 
 You need to get rid of the preview panel. That will stop Mail from
 opening every message you land on. I'm unable to help you with how to do
 this for two reasons: I haven't yet upgraded to Mountain Lion and I use
 Classic View in Mail.
 
 However, if you can find the horizontal splitter between the headers and
 the body of the message, bring the mouse and double click using the
 trackpad and it might just work.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 
 On 1 Aug 2012, at 05:58, Harry Hogue wrote:
 
 Hi, guys,
 
 I've never changed my Mail preferences 

Re: Please explain disclosure triangles

2012-08-14 Thread Mary Scott
I do not hear the word plus or minus.  How do I click on it?  Sorry for 
silly question.
On Aug 13, 2012, at 2:17 PM, Chris christopher...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hey at least we do not get those stupid balloons on the mac yea!
 
 On 13/08/2012 17:36, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote:
 It's more like those stupid balloons that would pop up that said things 
 like, You have updates for your computer waiting to be downloaded; click 
 this balloon for more details. Except that it's nothing like that because 
 these are accessible, NOT annoying and … just better.
 
 
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Re: Using Boot Camp

2012-08-14 Thread Alex Hall
No, no passwords anywhere. That may well be the difference.

On 8/14/12, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi,

 Is your windows partition Password locked?  This might be the the cause of
 the differences we're seeing.

 Ricardo Walker
 rica...@appletothecore.info
 Twitter:@apple2thecore
 www.appletothecore.info

 On Aug 13, 2012, at 12:52 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:

 Wait, yes you can. I was working with garageband the other day and
 needed an mp3 stored on my windows partition, so I opened up the
 folder and copied the file with no problems over to the mac's
 partition. I then copied the finished mp3 from the mac partition to
 the windows one while I was booted into windows, again with no
 trouble. No, you can't copy *to* a partition not in use, but you can
 copy from one to your active partition just fine.

 On 8/13/12, Paul Hunt prhu...@att.net wrote:
 Then I will probably have to use Drop Box. I can do that.

 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker
 Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 10:05 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Using Boot Camp

 Hi,

 no.

 That is exactly what he was saying you can not do.  You can see the
 files
 on
 either drive but, you can not make any changes to these files.  This
 includes copying and pasting.  So for example, if log into the Mac OS, I
 can't copy a file from my boot camp partition.

 hth

 Ricardo Walker
 rica...@appletothecore.info
 Twitter:@apple2thecore
 www.appletothecore.info

 On Aug 13, 2012, at 10:06 AM, Paul Hunt prhu...@att.net wrote:

 Hello Alex. So this means that if I'm logged into Windows I can copy a
 file from the mac side and if I'm logged into the Mac I can copy files
 from the Windows side? I can also use Drop Box. Have you tried using
 VMWare Fusion to boot from a Bootcamp partition and is there any
 advantage
 to doing this?



 Thanks so much.







 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Hall
 Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 2:02 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Using Boot Camp



 1. You can read, but not write, the mac partition in windows. It works
 the same in mac os: you can read the windows partition, but not write
 to
 it.

 2. I use Carbonite, but my understanding is that you can't back up
 both as they are different partitions. You could pay $99 per year to
 back up your primary drive and a backup drive (your other partition)
 but the basic, $59/year package allows only one drive to be backed up.
 You can call carbonite (1-877-2225488) and check with them. As to
 accessibility, the site works, and the client works well enough on
 Windows (you may need the jaws cursor though). I don't know about the
 mac client as I have not yet tried it.

 On Aug 10, 2012, at 1:51 PM, Paul Hunt prhu...@att.net wrote:





 Hello everyone. I have been running Windows with VM Fusion for the
 past two years. Although it works pretty well there are problems.
 1. Freedom Scientific doesn't support its applications when they are
 running in a Virtual Machine. If I make any changes to the VM I lose an
 activation.
 Freedom Scientific gets quite irritated when they have to reset keys
 too often.
 2. Although Windows and MS office work pretty well in the VM, Open
 Book does not.
 3. FS Braille Display drivers do not load in the VM.
 4. I got a chance to compare performance with the VM and with Boot
 Camp.
 There is no comparison, Boot Camp performs much much better.
 Here are my questions.
 1. Will I have any problems reading from or writing to files on the
 MAC partition?
 2. Do any of you use Carbonite to back up both your boot camp and Mac
 partitions? Is the web site for Carbonite accessible?
 I will continue to use the MAC for ITunes. I also want to keep up with
 accessibility improvements in the IWork suite.

 Thanks so much.

 Paul

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Re: sort of figured out GarageBand

2012-08-14 Thread Alex Hall
Okay, thanks. I'll have a look at some of the other effects in there
as well, they could come in handy.

On 8/14/12, Chris Blouch cblo...@aol.com wrote:
 100 is a single note up and -100 should be a single note down. There are
 controls but I couldn't figure out a way to access them so I just typed
 the values in. My impression from other platforms is that plugins manage
 their own user interface and so even if Garage Band is accessible the
 plugins may not be. At least this one lets me type in values even if I
 can't interact with it in any other way. On previous version of Garage
 Band you could change the key of a track through a native control in the
 LCD Panel UI near the metronome, but that is now gone and we're left
 with the longer Audio Units filter process. Some say the quality isn't
 as good either but I so seldom use pitch shift this way that it's not
 that big a deal. Lets just say I like to play (and learn) everything in
 C. Easy enough on my keyboard with transpose but not so much on a real
 piano :)

 CB

 On 8/13/12 3:28 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
 Makes sense, thanks. What did you say the change was? I assumed
 there'd be a slider and a way to select the old and new keys for the
 song, as in something to tell it how many half steps to shift and in
 what direction. What is one half step in numbers to GB?

 On 8/13/12, Chris Blouch cblo...@aol.com wrote:
 So first you need to select the track you want to add the filter to and
 then do Command-I for track info. That hides or shows the track info but
 won't move your focus there. You'll have to stop interacting with the
 Arrange Layout area and move to the Track Info Group. Your Real
 Instrument button should be pressed (as opposed to Master Track. Then
 navigate down to the Browse/Edit radio buttons. Select Edit. Navigate
 right from there and you'll find the effects for this track (if any).
 Typical ones are Noise Gate and Compressor. These are each loaded into
 slots making an output chain where the effects are applied in the
 order listed. An empty slot is listed as Select Effect Popup Button.
 Actioning this will give you a list of effect to load into the slot.
 These are arranged in two groups - Garage Band Effects and Audio Unit
 Effects, listed in alphabetical order. Arrow down past all the Garage
 Band Effects and about 15 down in the Audio Unit effects will be the AU
 Pitch effect. You can also get there more quickly bu typing A U P which
 will drop you just a few items above it. Select that and it's now
 inserted into the slot.

 Once the filter is inserted garage band will drop your focus on the next
 slot so to edit the effect you'll need to VO up once to get to the
 AUPitch Group. Interact with that and find the Edit button. Actioning
 that pops a new floating window. VO-right a couple times until you are
 past the action image and you should land on an edit field which reads
 0 contents selected edit text. This is where you type in the amount of
 pitch shift you want (initially zero). If the track is playing you will
 hear the change as soon as you hit return. The floating window is a bit
 problematic in that it doesn't follow the usual command-tilde rules so
 once I lose focus I have to go back to the edit button to get back to
 it. Likewise I have to close the popup to make the space start playback
 again but with a little fussing it's doable.

 Hope this helps.

 CB
 On 8/13/12 1:30 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
 How do you add that, or any, filter to a track?

 On 8/13/12, Chris Blouch cblo...@aol.com wrote:
 The only way I could find to do this was by adding the AUPitch filter
 to
 the track. When editing the filter there are four unlabeled inputs.
 The
 first (initially zero) is the amount of pitch to shift. 100 is a full
 note up. Give that a try.

 CB

 On 8/9/12 11:27 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
 Hi all,
 I think I sort of got GB down. I have no idea what changed, but
 things
 are working as Ricardo said they should now and I was able to export
 a
 song, with my bass track, as a standard mp3. Now, if I could just
 drop
 the original song a half step and re-record it so I can play it in
 G... can I do that, drop the imported mp3 a half step?


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Re: Help with Selecting Text in Safari

2012-08-14 Thread Brian Fischler
Well put Les. I have almost given up on a lot of tables on the mac,
and numbers is driving me crazy, as sometimes it works and other times
it doesn't. I know Apple is working on these things, and they aren't
the easiest problems to fix, but hey, I lack patience.

On Aug 12, 11:27 pm, Les Kriegler kriegle...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi Brian,

 Keep on posting please.  Like you, I'm a big believer in Apple and what 
 they've done, but Apple currently cannot handle all of our needs.  Examples 
 would be reading of tables and reading of pdf documents.  I use my Mac 
 virtually all of the time but still use Windows on occasion for the 
 formentioned tasks, and I'm glad I have that option.

 Les
 On Aug 12, 2012, at 12:06 PM, Brian Fischler blindga...@gmail.com wrote:







  Awesome just found the help document. Ah, I believe I was hitting the
  command key and needed to hit the option key. Here is the help
  document in case anyone else is having problems

 http://help.apple.com/voiceover/info/guide/10.8/English.lproj/_1201.html

  On Aug 12, 11:49 am, Brian Fischler blindga...@gmail.com wrote:
  Hey all,

  Trying to copy some text in safari and have run in to some issues, not
  sure what I am doing wrong, and it is probably a setting, so wanted to
  see if anyone knew. It is weird as at first this was working, but it
  doesn't seem like the cursor is following VO and I have checked my
  settings in F8 and have toggled them all on and off, but nothing
  changed. When I go down in to the middle of a paragraph and wanted to
  select a certain line, the cursor doesn't seem to follow voiceover and
  seems to be selecting a few lines earlier. Here is what I am doing. I
  first interact with the text, then read it word by word with VO right
  arrow. I get to the insertion point where I want to start selecting
  text, and click Command shift right arrow, but it starts selecting
  text somewhere else on the page, not sure what I am doing wrong here,
  or if I have a setting set incorrectly. I have tried this selecting
  text with Quick Nav on and off, and even tried using the trackpad to
  select text, but again it was selecting the wrong area. Any help would
  be greatly appreciated. Thanks

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Re: Help with Selecting Text in Safari

2012-08-14 Thread Les Kriegler
Hi Brian,

I assume you continue to use the  Mac, and as a result, your feedback is 
important.  Good luck as we both continue to traverse the Mac world!

Les
On Aug 14, 2012, at 9:47 AM, Brian Fischler blindga...@gmail.com wrote:

 Well put Les. I have almost given up on a lot of tables on the mac,
 and numbers is driving me crazy, as sometimes it works and other times
 it doesn't. I know Apple is working on these things, and they aren't
 the easiest problems to fix, but hey, I lack patience.
 
 On Aug 12, 11:27 pm, Les Kriegler kriegle...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi Brian,
 
 Keep on posting please.  Like you, I'm a big believer in Apple and what 
 they've done, but Apple currently cannot handle all of our needs.  Examples 
 would be reading of tables and reading of pdf documents.  I use my Mac 
 virtually all of the time but still use Windows on occasion for the 
 formentioned tasks, and I'm glad I have that option.
 
 Les
 On Aug 12, 2012, at 12:06 PM, Brian Fischler blindga...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Awesome just found the help document. Ah, I believe I was hitting the
 command key and needed to hit the option key. Here is the help
 document in case anyone else is having problems
 
 http://help.apple.com/voiceover/info/guide/10.8/English.lproj/_1201.html
 
 On Aug 12, 11:49 am, Brian Fischler blindga...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hey all,
 
 Trying to copy some text in safari and have run in to some issues, not
 sure what I am doing wrong, and it is probably a setting, so wanted to
 see if anyone knew. It is weird as at first this was working, but it
 doesn't seem like the cursor is following VO and I have checked my
 settings in F8 and have toggled them all on and off, but nothing
 changed. When I go down in to the middle of a paragraph and wanted to
 select a certain line, the cursor doesn't seem to follow voiceover and
 seems to be selecting a few lines earlier. Here is what I am doing. I
 first interact with the text, then read it word by word with VO right
 arrow. I get to the insertion point where I want to start selecting
 text, and click Command shift right arrow, but it starts selecting
 text somewhere else on the page, not sure what I am doing wrong here,
 or if I have a setting set incorrectly. I have tried this selecting
 text with Quick Nav on and off, and even tried using the trackpad to
 select text, but again it was selecting the wrong area. Any help would
 be greatly appreciated. Thanks
 
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Re: Please explain disclosure triangles

2012-08-14 Thread Chris Blouch

If you are in the finder in list view each folder will read

FolderName Collapsed

or

FolderName Expanded

You can use plain old up/down to go up and down the tree and then right 
left to expand/collapse the folder. Once expanded, up/down will include 
all the child files/folders. If you are focused on a child and hit left 
it will jump you back to the parent. If you are on the parent and hit 
left again it will collapse. If you have a child folder expanded and you 
collapse its parent, if you later re-expand the parent the child folder 
will also still be expanded. In other words it puts things back the way 
you left them. As you probably noticed, when you expand a folder it 
tells you how many items were revealed (added) to the list.


Tree views are a great way to organize information so you can drill down 
quickly to the stuff you care about and ignore the rest. Note that all 
this arrowing around in trees is not specific to voiceover so anyone can 
do the same keyboard navigation.


CB

On 8/14/12 9:35 AM, Mary Scott wrote:

I do not hear the word plus or minus.  How do I click on it?  Sorry for 
silly question.
On Aug 13, 2012, at 2:17 PM, Chris christopher...@gmail.com wrote:


Hey at least we do not get those stupid balloons on the mac yea!

On 13/08/2012 17:36, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote:

It's more like those stupid balloons that would pop up that said things like, You 
have updates for your computer waiting to be downloaded; click this balloon for more 
details. Except that it's nothing like that because these are accessible, NOT 
annoying and … just better.


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Re: Calendar Appointments on the Mac

2012-08-14 Thread Chris Moore
You have to switch to day view to see a list.  Personally I think a list view 
should be added to the toolbar.

I wrote to Apple expressing my disappointment with Calendar and felt it should 
be more intuitive, be more iOS like and require less interacting.

This is my observation of the app as you explore, starting with the toolbar:

There is the toolbar which you can interact with. I think another view should 
be added to the calendar view switcher.  I think there should be a List View. 
 This would make the calendar behave more like iOS.  I also think the Today 
button should be moved to the toolbar as well as a button for invitations and 
for adding a new calendar.

After you stop interacting with the toolbar, there is the vertical splitter  
(why do we need to care about this? I would rather not hear VO announce this.  
I can appreciate it is there for when you bring the list of calendar types into 
view.  Perhaps calendar view should actually be moved to the view menu at the 
top of the window.  There could be an entry called Calendars, with a sub menu 
which you can then place a tick against the calendar or calendars you which to 
be be visible such as all calendars, home, work, birthdays etc.
) After the vertical splitter, VO says Friday, 10 August 2012, year, Calendar 
area (this is the date of myself writing this message, and I had the year view 
selected) ). I think it would sound better if VO rad all this out as Today is 
the 10th of August 2012, Year view is selected.

Next, as long as you do not interact with the calendar area,  there is a 
horizontal splitter, yet again, why does VO even need to know this?

I have my calendar currently set to year view, so let's interact with it and 
explore that.

The first item is the previous year button,  and the next item is the today 
button, should this not say what the current year is? for example 2012?  No 
matter which view I use, the today button is always read out which is not 
relevant when in month or year or week view, this should behave more like iOS.  
.  The next element is next year button.

Next is The 2012 (or whichever year you have selected).  VO tells you this is a 
grid and tells you how many rows and columns there are.  Is this relevant? and 
why do we even need to interact with this grid?  Should it not be visible by 
default?  This is one of my biggest complains about the calendar app, there are 
too many levels to interact with.  Can you imagine how popular google search 
would be if you had to follow 6 hyperlinks before you finally got to the search 
box?

After interacting, I am told by VO that I am on August, and that is the 8 of 12 
 and lists the number of columns and rows within that month.  Again, is this 
relevant? do we really need to know how many rows and columns can be found 
inside August? and do I need to be told it is month 8 of 12?

Next we have to interact with August to see each of the days.  Now this bit I 
think Apple got right, as you don't want to have to listen to every entry for 
every month, it is nice being able to skip over months and simply only 
interacting with the month you require.  

Ok, so I have now interacted with the month of August and I am still in year 
view. and I move to 14, and VO tells me this is a Tuesday (great as we never 
got this in the past) but it also tells me I am on 16 of 42.  Why is the 16 of 
42 relevant?  .  I have an event on the 14th August, but VO has not announced 
anything about this when I move my VO cursor over the 14th (I am using the VO 
keys plus arrows left and right to move the VO cursor).   I would like VO to 
say at least 1 event listed, press VO plus space to view the event.  When I do 
press VO + space (even though there was no hint to do so) I finally hear a pop 
up which displays my event, and then I hit escape to make it go away. There is 
no option within the pop up to then list the event in full or be able to edit 
the event, these options would be useful.

Ok that is the year view, let's look at month view.

the first element is previous month and the next month is today (which should 
say the current month, in my case is August), then we have the next month 
button.. Next follows August 2012 grid, 5 rows 7 columns again, why do I need 
to know the number of rows and columns? and why do I have to interact with the 
grid? it should be visible by default.  .  After interacting, I land on 30 July 
which is a Monday. and voiceover announces 1 event list, maybe it would be 
better if VO said 1 event to be consistent with iOS.  This is good though, as 
in month view you are informed you have an event listed when you move the VO 
cursor over the day, as I mentioned earlier VO does not announce this when in 
Year view.  The next thing VO tells me after announcing the event, that I am on 
1 of 35.  Yet again, do I really need to know I am on 1 of 35?

I am now going to explore the week view.  As usual we have the previous button 
and in this case it is the 

Re: multiple messages from macvisionaries group

2012-08-14 Thread Brian Fischler
Would be great if someone could post how they set everything up in
gmail or mail, as I am still coming to the group and using auto
webspots to navigate. Would love to get the group thread through mail,
but not in my main mailbox Thanks

On Aug 13, 5:31 pm, Andrew Lamanche andrew.laman...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello Iona,

 I am so puzzled about this because since upgrading to Mountain Lion, I get 
 these duplicate messages in macvisionaries group as well as the iPhone group. 
 This did not happen before the upgrade. I did not think labels would be a 
 problem but I have removed them anyway in case, especially that Harry 
 suggested it and it had a positive effect for him. I have been looking for a 
 clue in my gmail setting but I haven't found anything so far.

 Best wishes

 Andrew
 On 13 Aug 2012, at 22:05, Ioana Gandrabur igandra...@gmail.com wrote:







  Hi,

  It would be interesting to check what settings do using Gmail. I also use 
  labels in Gmail and never received any duplicates of the messages in my 
  inbox. Good luck
  Ioana
  Please check out my cd onwww.ioanagandrabur.comon iTunes and most online 
  stores.

  On Aug 13, 2012, at 5:03 PM, Andrew Lamanche andrew.laman...@gmail.com 
  wrote:

  Hello Everyone,

  I've already asked before about the problem of receiving multiple copies 
  of messages from macvisionaries group. Harry has offered me suggestions to 
  do with labels in gmail (which is the mail provider for me) but they 
  haven't sold the problem. I vaguely seem to remember that I had the same 
  issue under Lion but I can't remember how I had solved it then. I seem to 
  receive two copies of each message in my inbox. Please help if you have 
  any ideas.

  With best wishes and thanks

  Andrew

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Re: Ripping from cd to .ogg vorbis

2012-08-14 Thread Chris Blouch
iTunes doesn't present the full QuickTime export options so even if you 
have the xiph ogg plugin for quicktime iTunes won't present that option. 
QuickTime Pro will export in any format supported by QuickTime 
(including ogg with the plugin) but you have to buy the pro version.


CB

On 8/14/12 7:40 AM, Chris Gilland wrote:

Hello guys. I know that I can rip into MP3 format using iTunes, however, is 
there a way that I can somehow get an application which will allow me to rip 
from a CD into ogg format?

Thanks for any help. Chris.

Sent from my iPhone



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Re: Cannot copy track from shared library to my own computer

2012-08-14 Thread Tim Kilburn
Hi,

If you have Home Sharing turned on for both machines, with the same Apple ID, 
you'll see the other computer in your Sources List under the Devices section.  
If there is no Devices section, then your Home Sharing is either not set up 
accordingly or there is a network issue.  Once you have focus on the other 
computer, expand it with VO-back slash, then wait a few seconds for it to 
populate, and navigate down to the Music Library or Playlist you wish to grab 
songs from.  You can then either search with the Search field or navigate 
through the Table to locate the items you wish to transfer.  Once selected, 
Stop Interacting with the Table and navigate right to the Copy Item button and 
things will move over.  They will not be placed in any specific playlist, they 
will simply be copied over to your Music Library and placed in the Music 
section within your Sources List.  You can subsequently add them to any 
playlists you wish.  Now, if you had iTunes Match, it can be configured so that 
whatever is put in a playlist in one computer is automatically put in the same 
playlist in the second computer.  It is a very cool set up, although one has to 
be willing to spend the yearly subscription fee to have the iTunes Match 
service.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On 2012-08-13, at 6:01 PM, Ioana Gandrabur igandra...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi all,
 
 I remember people saying that there should be a share button to import a 
 track from one computer to an other that shares the library
 I made sure that we are signed in with the same apple id and found the track 
 but could not find a share button. I found the copy item in the shortcut menu 
 and tried pressing vo space on it or pressing enterI pressed comand v on my 
 local usic sours but it did not get copied
 Any help is very appriciated.
 
 Thanks,
 Ioana
 
 
 
 Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online 
 stores.
 
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Re: multiple messages from macvisionaries group

2012-08-14 Thread Teresa Cochran
Hi, Brian,

In Gmail, you can first set up labels and then set up filters to allow messages 
to be sorted by these labels. However, this requires a lot of website 
navigation. You can do this from any computer using any platform.

In Mac Mail, you would first create new mailboxes from the mailboxes menu. 
Then, in Mail Preferences, which can be reached from the Mail Menu inside the 
app, or by pressing command-comma, you would go to the rules button and set up 
message rules this way.

If you need further instruction, depending on which way you want to accomplish 
this, I'd be happy to help.

HtH,
Teresa

On Aug 14, 2012, at 7:21 AM, Brian Fischler blindga...@gmail.com wrote:

 Would be great if someone could post how they set everything up in
 gmail or mail, as I am still coming to the group and using auto
 webspots to navigate. Would love to get the group thread through mail,
 but not in my main mailbox Thanks
 
 On Aug 13, 5:31 pm, Andrew Lamanche andrew.laman...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello Iona,
 
 I am so puzzled about this because since upgrading to Mountain Lion, I get 
 these duplicate messages in macvisionaries group as well as the iPhone 
 group. This did not happen before the upgrade. I did not think labels would 
 be a problem but I have removed them anyway in case, especially that Harry 
 suggested it and it had a positive effect for him. I have been looking for a 
 clue in my gmail setting but I haven't found anything so far.
 
 Best wishes
 
 Andrew
 On 13 Aug 2012, at 22:05, Ioana Gandrabur igandra...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Hi,
 
 It would be interesting to check what settings do using Gmail. I also use 
 labels in Gmail and never received any duplicates of the messages in my 
 inbox. Good luck
 Ioana
 Please check out my cd onwww.ioanagandrabur.comon iTunes and most online 
 stores.
 
 On Aug 13, 2012, at 5:03 PM, Andrew Lamanche andrew.laman...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hello Everyone,
 
 I've already asked before about the problem of receiving multiple copies 
 of messages from macvisionaries group. Harry has offered me suggestions to 
 do with labels in gmail (which is the mail provider for me) but they 
 haven't sold the problem. I vaguely seem to remember that I had the same 
 issue under Lion but I can't remember how I had solved it then. I seem to 
 receive two copies of each message in my inbox. Please help if you have 
 any ideas.
 
 With best wishes and thanks
 
 Andrew
 
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Re: Preview Pane in Mac Mail (Mountain Lion)

2012-08-14 Thread Tim Kilburn
Hi,

I'm not sure if I understand your question totally.  In standard view, your 
messages are in conversations and by default, a couple of lines of the messages 
is displayed.  Vo will read this summarized version of the message and in some 
cases, this will be the entire message if the sender is not extremely wordy.  
Otherwise, VO will normally cut off if it is a longer message.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On 2012-08-13, at 7:46 PM, Jeff Berwick mailingli...@berwick.name wrote:

 Okay, strange but true.  We are close on this one.  Using standard view in 
 Mac Mail Mountain Lion I have been able to get the vertical bar to collapse.  
 This doesn't, however, prevent the entire message from being read.  Any other 
 thoughts?
 
 Thx,
 Jeff
 
 On 2012-08-13, at 11:14 AM, Tim Kilburn kilbur...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Try the following.
 
 1.  Removing the Preview Pane in Classic layout:
 
 • Navigate to the Horizontal Splitter that is to the right of the Messages 
 table.
 • Press VO-cmd-f5 (add FN if needed).  This will bring the mouse to the VO 
 cursor and announce where the mouse is and it should read Horizontal 
 Splitter.
 • Double-click on your Trackpad or alternatively, you can press near the top 
 of the Trackpad and drag to the bottom.  Make sure in this case that you 
 actually make the Trackpad button depress so that the drag action will work.
 
 2.  Removing the Preview Pane for non-Classic layout:
 
 • Navigate to the Vertical Splitter just to the right of the Messages Column 
 Group.
 • Press VO-cmd-f5 (add FN if necessary) to bring the mouse to the VO cursor. 
  It will announce Vertical Splitter if it did what it was supposed to do.
 • Double-click on the Trackpad or alternatively, put your finger near the 
 left hand side of the Trackpad, then drag to the far right and release.  As 
 in the first case, make sure that you depress the Trackpad button so that 
 the dragging process will occur.
 
 Note that in the Classic layout, you are dealing with a Horizontal Splitter 
 and in the non-Classic layout, you are dealing with a Vertical Splitter. 
 Each case requires a different dragging direction if you choose that option.
 
 There are a couple of ways of determining if it worked.  Firstly, you can 
 navigate around the Mail screen and if you don't hear anything about 
 Message Content Area, life is good.
 
 The second method is a little more complicated but tells you for sure.  In 
 Classic layout, navigate to the Horizontal Splitter to the right of the New 
 Mailbox Action menu.  You'll notice two Horizontal splitters, one after the 
 Messages Table and this one that I'm talking about.  Once you've located 
 this Horizontal Splitter, Interact with it and press VO-down.  Vo will 
 announce Collapsed which is what you want to hear.  In non-Classic layout, 
 navigate to the Vertical Splitter just to the right of the Messages Column 
 Group and Interact with it.  Press VO-right and VO will announce Collapsed 
 if the Preview pane is gone.
 
 HTH.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On 2012-08-12, at 7:16 PM, Jeff Berwick mailingli...@berwick.name wrote:
 
 Thanks for the tip.  However, I'm still not getting anyt=where.  The 
 horizontal bar, according to my mother-in-law, controls a pane on the left 
 which has the list of mailboxes.  The vertical bar seemingly does nothing.  
 Any other tips?
 
 Thx,
 Jeff
 
 On 2012-08-12, at 7:43 PM, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 You need to do a physical mouse click on the bar with your trackpad with 
 trackpad commander turned off or, with a mouse.
 
 hth
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rica...@appletothecore.info
 Twitter:@apple2thecore
 www.appletothecore.info
 
 On Aug 12, 2012, at 7:02 PM, Jeff Berwick mailingli...@berwick.name 
 wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 I know this has been covered, but I had already accomplished this in Lion 
 and, when I upgraded to ML, it just worked.  Now I have purchased a new 
 computer and get get rid of the preview pane.  What am I missing?
 
 I go to the Mail program and go over to the horizontal bar and interact.  
 I then set the percentage to 0% but it doesn't seem to go away.  Any 
 other tips?
 
 Thx,
 Jeff
 
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Re: Calendar Appointments on the Mac

2012-08-14 Thread Teresa Cochran
My personal preference would be to use the Reminders app for appointments.

Teresa

On Aug 14, 2012, at 7:19 AM, Chris Moore apple.geek.ch...@gmail.com wrote:

 You have to switch to day view to see a list.  Personally I think a list view 
 should be added to the toolbar.
 
 I wrote to Apple expressing my disappointment with Calendar and felt it 
 should be more intuitive, be more iOS like and require less interacting.
 
 This is my observation of the app as you explore, starting with the toolbar:
 
 There is the toolbar which you can interact with. I think another view should 
 be added to the calendar view switcher.  I think there should be a List 
 View.  This would make the calendar behave more like iOS.  I also think the 
 Today button should be moved to the toolbar as well as a button for 
 invitations and for adding a new calendar.
 
 After you stop interacting with the toolbar, there is the vertical splitter  
 (why do we need to care about this? I would rather not hear VO announce this. 
  I can appreciate it is there for when you bring the list of calendar types 
 into view.  Perhaps calendar view should actually be moved to the view menu 
 at the top of the window.  There could be an entry called Calendars, with a 
 sub menu which you can then place a tick against the calendar or calendars 
 you which to be be visible such as all calendars, home, work, birthdays etc.
 ) After the vertical splitter, VO says Friday, 10 August 2012, year, 
 Calendar area (this is the date of myself writing this message, and I had 
 the year view selected) ). I think it would sound better if VO rad all this 
 out as Today is the 10th of August 2012, Year view is selected.
 
 Next, as long as you do not interact with the calendar area,  there is a 
 horizontal splitter, yet again, why does VO even need to know this?
 
 I have my calendar currently set to year view, so let's interact with it and 
 explore that.
 
 The first item is the previous year button,  and the next item is the today 
 button, should this not say what the current year is? for example 2012?  No 
 matter which view I use, the today button is always read out which is not 
 relevant when in month or year or week view, this should behave more like 
 iOS.  .  The next element is next year button.
 
 Next is The 2012 (or whichever year you have selected).  VO tells you this is 
 a grid and tells you how many rows and columns there are.  Is this relevant? 
 and why do we even need to interact with this grid?  Should it not be visible 
 by default?  This is one of my biggest complains about the calendar app, 
 there are too many levels to interact with.  Can you imagine how popular 
 google search would be if you had to follow 6 hyperlinks before you finally 
 got to the search box?
 
 After interacting, I am told by VO that I am on August, and that is the 8 of 
 12  and lists the number of columns and rows within that month.  Again, is 
 this relevant? do we really need to know how many rows and columns can be 
 found inside August? and do I need to be told it is month 8 of 12?
 
 Next we have to interact with August to see each of the days.  Now this bit I 
 think Apple got right, as you don't want to have to listen to every entry for 
 every month, it is nice being able to skip over months and simply only 
 interacting with the month you require.  
 
 Ok, so I have now interacted with the month of August and I am still in year 
 view. and I move to 14, and VO tells me this is a Tuesday (great as we never 
 got this in the past) but it also tells me I am on 16 of 42.  Why is the 16 
 of 42 relevant?  .  I have an event on the 14th August, but VO has not 
 announced anything about this when I move my VO cursor over the 14th (I am 
 using the VO keys plus arrows left and right to move the VO cursor).   I 
 would like VO to say at least 1 event listed, press VO plus space to view the 
 event.  When I do press VO + space (even though there was no hint to do so) I 
 finally hear a pop up which displays my event, and then I hit escape to make 
 it go away. There is no option within the pop up to then list the event in 
 full or be able to edit the event, these options would be useful.
 
 Ok that is the year view, let's look at month view.
 
 the first element is previous month and the next month is today (which should 
 say the current month, in my case is August), then we have the next month 
 button.. Next follows August 2012 grid, 5 rows 7 columns again, why do I 
 need to know the number of rows and columns? and why do I have to interact 
 with the grid? it should be visible by default.  .  After interacting, I land 
 on 30 July which is a Monday. and voiceover announces 1 event list, maybe 
 it would be better if VO said 1 event to be consistent with iOS.  This is 
 good though, as in month view you are informed you have an event listed when 
 you move the VO cursor over the day, as I mentioned earlier VO does not 
 announce this when in Year view.  The 

Re: Calendar Appointments on the Mac

2012-08-14 Thread Steve Holmes
In a day view like this, wouldn't the list only be events for that
given day? I was looking for a list of all available appointments
regardless of what day it is.  It would just sort them in
chronological order like it does on IOS.

You seem to have a lot of criticisms for the calendar ap.  I don't
mind most of it.  I think some of the verbosity you are complaining
about may be a good thing for those who might wonder.  What I don't
like in so many other situations is someone excluding information from
the screen reader or the screen reader arbitrarily excluding
information because someone thinks it would matter to us.  I'd rather
have it all and allow us ad individuals to turn off some of the extra
verbage if we want to.  Sometimes that extra verbosity helps me
navigate around in an unfamiliar set of controls for example.

On 8/14/12, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com wrote:
 My personal preference would be to use the Reminders app for appointments.

 Teresa

 On Aug 14, 2012, at 7:19 AM, Chris Moore apple.geek.ch...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 You have to switch to day view to see a list.  Personally I think a list
 view should be added to the toolbar.

 I wrote to Apple expressing my disappointment with Calendar and felt it
 should be more intuitive, be more iOS like and require less interacting.

 This is my observation of the app as you explore, starting with the
 toolbar:

 There is the toolbar which you can interact with. I think another view
 should be added to the calendar view switcher.  I think there should be a
 List View.  This would make the calendar behave more like iOS.  I also
 think the Today button should be moved to the toolbar as well as a button
 for invitations and for adding a new calendar.

 After you stop interacting with the toolbar, there is the vertical
 splitter  (why do we need to care about this? I would rather not hear VO
 announce this.  I can appreciate it is there for when you bring the list
 of calendar types into view.  Perhaps calendar view should actually be
 moved to the view menu at the top of the window.  There could be an entry
 called Calendars, with a sub menu which you can then place a tick against
 the calendar or calendars you which to be be visible such as all
 calendars, home, work, birthdays etc.
 ) After the vertical splitter, VO says Friday, 10 August 2012, year,
 Calendar area (this is the date of myself writing this message, and I had
 the year view selected) ). I think it would sound better if VO rad all
 this out as Today is the 10th of August 2012, Year view is selected.

 Next, as long as you do not interact with the calendar area,  there is a
 horizontal splitter, yet again, why does VO even need to know this?

 I have my calendar currently set to year view, so let's interact with it
 and explore that.

 The first item is the previous year button,  and the next item is the
 today button, should this not say what the current year is? for example
 2012?  No matter which view I use, the today button is always read out
 which is not relevant when in month or year or week view, this should
 behave more like iOS.  .  The next element is next year button.

 Next is The 2012 (or whichever year you have selected).  VO tells you this
 is a grid and tells you how many rows and columns there are.  Is this
 relevant? and why do we even need to interact with this grid?  Should it
 not be visible by default?  This is one of my biggest complains about the
 calendar app, there are too many levels to interact with.  Can you imagine
 how popular google search would be if you had to follow 6 hyperlinks
 before you finally got to the search box?

 After interacting, I am told by VO that I am on August, and that is the 8
 of 12  and lists the number of columns and rows within that month.  Again,
 is this relevant? do we really need to know how many rows and columns can
 be found inside August? and do I need to be told it is month 8 of 12?

 Next we have to interact with August to see each of the days.  Now this
 bit I think Apple got right, as you don't want to have to listen to every
 entry for every month, it is nice being able to skip over months and
 simply only interacting with the month you require.

 Ok, so I have now interacted with the month of August and I am still in
 year view. and I move to 14, and VO tells me this is a Tuesday (great as
 we never got this in the past) but it also tells me I am on 16 of 42.  Why
 is the 16 of 42 relevant?  .  I have an event on the 14th August, but VO
 has not announced anything about this when I move my VO cursor over the
 14th (I am using the VO keys plus arrows left and right to move the VO
 cursor).   I would like VO to say at least 1 event listed, press VO plus
 space to view the event.  When I do press VO + space (even though there
 was no hint to do so) I finally hear a pop up which displays my event, and
 then I hit escape to make it go away. There is no option within the pop up
 to then list the event in full or 

Re: Calendar Appointments on the Mac

2012-08-14 Thread Chris Moore
That is the thing, the full list is present in the day view.

I could understand if some of the table and row stuff was actually relevant, 
but you don't hear iOS reading it all out, and I can't find a way to switch it 
off.
On 14 Aug 2012, at 16:52, Steve Holmes steve.holme...@gmail.com wrote:

 In a day view like this, wouldn't the list only be events for that
 given day? I was looking for a list of all available appointments
 regardless of what day it is.  It would just sort them in
 chronological order like it does on IOS.
 
 You seem to have a lot of criticisms for the calendar ap.  I don't
 mind most of it.  I think some of the verbosity you are complaining
 about may be a good thing for those who might wonder.  What I don't
 like in so many other situations is someone excluding information from
 the screen reader or the screen reader arbitrarily excluding
 information because someone thinks it would matter to us.  I'd rather
 have it all and allow us ad individuals to turn off some of the extra
 verbage if we want to.  Sometimes that extra verbosity helps me
 navigate around in an unfamiliar set of controls for example.
 
 On 8/14/12, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com wrote:
 My personal preference would be to use the Reminders app for appointments.
 
 Teresa
 
 On Aug 14, 2012, at 7:19 AM, Chris Moore apple.geek.ch...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 You have to switch to day view to see a list.  Personally I think a list
 view should be added to the toolbar.
 
 I wrote to Apple expressing my disappointment with Calendar and felt it
 should be more intuitive, be more iOS like and require less interacting.
 
 This is my observation of the app as you explore, starting with the
 toolbar:
 
 There is the toolbar which you can interact with. I think another view
 should be added to the calendar view switcher.  I think there should be a
 List View.  This would make the calendar behave more like iOS.  I also
 think the Today button should be moved to the toolbar as well as a button
 for invitations and for adding a new calendar.
 
 After you stop interacting with the toolbar, there is the vertical
 splitter  (why do we need to care about this? I would rather not hear VO
 announce this.  I can appreciate it is there for when you bring the list
 of calendar types into view.  Perhaps calendar view should actually be
 moved to the view menu at the top of the window.  There could be an entry
 called Calendars, with a sub menu which you can then place a tick against
 the calendar or calendars you which to be be visible such as all
 calendars, home, work, birthdays etc.
 ) After the vertical splitter, VO says Friday, 10 August 2012, year,
 Calendar area (this is the date of myself writing this message, and I had
 the year view selected) ). I think it would sound better if VO rad all
 this out as Today is the 10th of August 2012, Year view is selected.
 
 Next, as long as you do not interact with the calendar area,  there is a
 horizontal splitter, yet again, why does VO even need to know this?
 
 I have my calendar currently set to year view, so let's interact with it
 and explore that.
 
 The first item is the previous year button,  and the next item is the
 today button, should this not say what the current year is? for example
 2012?  No matter which view I use, the today button is always read out
 which is not relevant when in month or year or week view, this should
 behave more like iOS.  .  The next element is next year button.
 
 Next is The 2012 (or whichever year you have selected).  VO tells you this
 is a grid and tells you how many rows and columns there are.  Is this
 relevant? and why do we even need to interact with this grid?  Should it
 not be visible by default?  This is one of my biggest complains about the
 calendar app, there are too many levels to interact with.  Can you imagine
 how popular google search would be if you had to follow 6 hyperlinks
 before you finally got to the search box?
 
 After interacting, I am told by VO that I am on August, and that is the 8
 of 12  and lists the number of columns and rows within that month.  Again,
 is this relevant? do we really need to know how many rows and columns can
 be found inside August? and do I need to be told it is month 8 of 12?
 
 Next we have to interact with August to see each of the days.  Now this
 bit I think Apple got right, as you don't want to have to listen to every
 entry for every month, it is nice being able to skip over months and
 simply only interacting with the month you require.
 
 Ok, so I have now interacted with the month of August and I am still in
 year view. and I move to 14, and VO tells me this is a Tuesday (great as
 we never got this in the past) but it also tells me I am on 16 of 42.  Why
 is the 16 of 42 relevant?  .  I have an event on the 14th August, but VO
 has not announced anything about this when I move my VO cursor over the
 14th (I am using the VO keys plus arrows left and right to move the VO
 

Re: Calendar Appointments on the Mac and Syncing Google Calendar to iCal

2012-08-14 Thread Harry Hogue
Now that I have learned to put appointments on my calendar by writing Meeting 
on 14 August at 15:00, for example, I have found no problems with calendar 
whatsoever.  I do with when adjusting alerts that  we didn't have to keep 
tabbing back to where we were in the event details scroll area, but that's my 
only real complaint.

I've noticed that my iCal events sync with Google Calendar but not my Google 
Calendar to my iCal (the list of holidays, for example, on Google Calendar, do 
not show up on my iCal, but my friend's calendar I share with her show up on 
both of my calendars [Google Cal and iCal]).  Does anyone know why this might 
be?

As concerns seeing a list of appointments in a list, I find that tabbing 
between appointments works very nicely for day, week, or month view, but I've 
not had much luck with the year view.  Has anyone else experienced this?

Harry

On Aug 14, 2012, at 10:31 AM, Chris Moore apple.geek.ch...@gmail.com wrote:

 That is the thing, the full list is present in the day view.
 
 I could understand if some of the table and row stuff was actually relevant, 
 but you don't hear iOS reading it all out, and I can't find a way to switch 
 it off.
 On 14 Aug 2012, at 16:52, Steve Holmes steve.holme...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 In a day view like this, wouldn't the list only be events for that
 given day? I was looking for a list of all available appointments
 regardless of what day it is.  It would just sort them in
 chronological order like it does on IOS.
 
 You seem to have a lot of criticisms for the calendar ap.  I don't
 mind most of it.  I think some of the verbosity you are complaining
 about may be a good thing for those who might wonder.  What I don't
 like in so many other situations is someone excluding information from
 the screen reader or the screen reader arbitrarily excluding
 information because someone thinks it would matter to us.  I'd rather
 have it all and allow us ad individuals to turn off some of the extra
 verbage if we want to.  Sometimes that extra verbosity helps me
 navigate around in an unfamiliar set of controls for example.
 
 On 8/14/12, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com wrote:
 My personal preference would be to use the Reminders app for appointments.
 
 Teresa
 
 On Aug 14, 2012, at 7:19 AM, Chris Moore apple.geek.ch...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 You have to switch to day view to see a list.  Personally I think a list
 view should be added to the toolbar.
 
 I wrote to Apple expressing my disappointment with Calendar and felt it
 should be more intuitive, be more iOS like and require less interacting.
 
 This is my observation of the app as you explore, starting with the
 toolbar:
 
 There is the toolbar which you can interact with. I think another view
 should be added to the calendar view switcher.  I think there should be a
 List View.  This would make the calendar behave more like iOS.  I also
 think the Today button should be moved to the toolbar as well as a button
 for invitations and for adding a new calendar.
 
 After you stop interacting with the toolbar, there is the vertical
 splitter  (why do we need to care about this? I would rather not hear VO
 announce this.  I can appreciate it is there for when you bring the list
 of calendar types into view.  Perhaps calendar view should actually be
 moved to the view menu at the top of the window.  There could be an entry
 called Calendars, with a sub menu which you can then place a tick against
 the calendar or calendars you which to be be visible such as all
 calendars, home, work, birthdays etc.
 ) After the vertical splitter, VO says Friday, 10 August 2012, year,
 Calendar area (this is the date of myself writing this message, and I had
 the year view selected) ). I think it would sound better if VO rad all
 this out as Today is the 10th of August 2012, Year view is selected.
 
 Next, as long as you do not interact with the calendar area,  there is a
 horizontal splitter, yet again, why does VO even need to know this?
 
 I have my calendar currently set to year view, so let's interact with it
 and explore that.
 
 The first item is the previous year button,  and the next item is the
 today button, should this not say what the current year is? for example
 2012?  No matter which view I use, the today button is always read out
 which is not relevant when in month or year or week view, this should
 behave more like iOS.  .  The next element is next year button.
 
 Next is The 2012 (or whichever year you have selected).  VO tells you this
 is a grid and tells you how many rows and columns there are.  Is this
 relevant? and why do we even need to interact with this grid?  Should it
 not be visible by default?  This is one of my biggest complains about the
 calendar app, there are too many levels to interact with.  Can you imagine
 how popular google search would be if you had to follow 6 hyperlinks
 before you finally got to the search box?
 
 After interacting, I am told by VO that I am on 

Re: multiple messages from macvisionaries group

2012-08-14 Thread Harry Hogue
Hi, guys,

Here is the original article I used to fix my mail issue.  I did notice a 
message from the Mac Visionaries group slipped through to my main mailbox just 
this morning, but other than that I cannot remember having any issues, and I 
don't seem to have missed any messages.  Note that this article is a couple of 
years old, but I followed the instructions with little difficulty.
The article:  
http://echeng.com/journal/2010/09/23/preventing-duplicate-gmail-imap-messages-in-mail-app/

I hope this helps someone.

Harry

On Aug 14, 2012, at 8:51 AM, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi, Brian,
 
 In Gmail, you can first set up labels and then set up filters to allow 
 messages to be sorted by these labels. However, this requires a lot of 
 website navigation. You can do this from any computer using any platform.
 
 In Mac Mail, you would first create new mailboxes from the mailboxes menu. 
 Then, in Mail Preferences, which can be reached from the Mail Menu inside the 
 app, or by pressing command-comma, you would go to the rules button and set 
 up message rules this way.
 
 If you need further instruction, depending on which way you want to 
 accomplish this, I'd be happy to help.
 
 HtH,
 Teresa
 
 On Aug 14, 2012, at 7:21 AM, Brian Fischler blindga...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Would be great if someone could post how they set everything up in
 gmail or mail, as I am still coming to the group and using auto
 webspots to navigate. Would love to get the group thread through mail,
 but not in my main mailbox Thanks
 
 On Aug 13, 5:31 pm, Andrew Lamanche andrew.laman...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello Iona,
 
 I am so puzzled about this because since upgrading to Mountain Lion, I get 
 these duplicate messages in macvisionaries group as well as the iPhone 
 group. This did not happen before the upgrade. I did not think labels would 
 be a problem but I have removed them anyway in case, especially that Harry 
 suggested it and it had a positive effect for him. I have been looking for 
 a clue in my gmail setting but I haven't found anything so far.
 
 Best wishes
 
 Andrew
 On 13 Aug 2012, at 22:05, Ioana Gandrabur igandra...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Hi,
 
 It would be interesting to check what settings do using Gmail. I also use 
 labels in Gmail and never received any duplicates of the messages in my 
 inbox. Good luck
 Ioana
 Please check out my cd onwww.ioanagandrabur.comon iTunes and most online 
 stores.
 
 On Aug 13, 2012, at 5:03 PM, Andrew Lamanche andrew.laman...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hello Everyone,
 
 I've already asked before about the problem of receiving multiple copies 
 of messages from macvisionaries group. Harry has offered me suggestions 
 to do with labels in gmail (which is the mail provider for me) but they 
 haven't sold the problem. I vaguely seem to remember that I had the same 
 issue under Lion but I can't remember how I had solved it then. I seem to 
 receive two copies of each message in my inbox. Please help if you have 
 any ideas.
 
 With best wishes and thanks
 
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Re: Easiest Way to Read Bookshare Books in Mountain Lion

2012-08-14 Thread Harry Hogue
Thanks, Alex, that's helpful.  I've enver used Terminal or thought of going 
about renaming that way -- I'll loook it up.

Harry

On Aug 12, 2012, at 8:10 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:

 Or you might use terminal to batch rename all the files to .zip. After
 all, they are really just zip files with the extension changed, so
 maybe something like:
 cd ~/books
 rename *.bks *.zip
 
 I don't know if the syntax is right, but that's the idea.
 
 On 8/12/12, Christine Grassman cgrassman1...@gmail.com wrote:
 I don't know whether this is only true of the newest additions to bookshare
 (over the last year or so) but lately when I download bookshare books, no
 unzipping is required. I just seek out the title and the .xml extension, and
 it opens in Safari when I hit enter. Is no one else experiencing this?
 Harry, I know in your case, you are dealing with previously downloaded books
 which you desire to open. A workaround, if you simply cannot get the
 unarchiver to work, is to redownload the book you wish to read from your
 book history.  Hopefully, what I discussed above will then apply, and you
 will have your xml file all ready to go. Obviously, depending on the number
 of books you have, this may not be desirable as far as redownloading all of
 your book history, but you could do it one by one, as needed.
 
 Christine
 On Aug 12, 2012, at 9:07 PM, Harry Hogue harryhog...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I simply would just remember where I had been reading and type a keyword
 or two.  What I would like to know now is how to associate .bks files with
 The Unarchiver, as the checkbox to Always open with this application, in
 Other… and selecting the application does not hold, for some reason.
 Does anyone knwo why this might be?
 
 Harry
 
 On Aug 12, 2012, at 4:56 PM, Greg Aikens gpaik...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 One way to get around this is to set a web spot at the place you left
 off.  I haven't tried this under ML but in Lion it worked inconsistently
 and often I would forget to set a web spot when I finished reading, but
 it is better than nothing.
 
 -Greg
 On Aug 12, 2012, at 5:17 PM, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Thanks, Harry. I was wondering if you used Safari. Seems to me that
 means you can't pick up where you left off in a book, right? That would
 be a big drawback, I would think. How do you work around that/
 
 Mary
 
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Re: multiple messages from macvisionaries group

2012-08-14 Thread Andrew Lamanche
Thanks for the link. I think I have solved the problem. Had to do this by 
resorting to the standard view in gmail which was fiddly but I think I have 
managed to uncheck all the boxes. Removing labels by itself did not help.

thanks again for your generous sharing.

Andrew
On 14 Aug 2012, at 18:04, Harry Hogue harryhog...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi, guys,
 
 Here is the original article I used to fix my mail issue.  I did notice a 
 message from the Mac Visionaries group slipped through to my main mailbox 
 just this morning, but other than that I cannot remember having any issues, 
 and I don't seem to have missed any messages.  Note that this article is a 
 couple of years old, but I followed the instructions with little difficulty.
 The article:  
 http://echeng.com/journal/2010/09/23/preventing-duplicate-gmail-imap-messages-in-mail-app/
 
 I hope this helps someone.
 
 Harry
 
 On Aug 14, 2012, at 8:51 AM, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi, Brian,
 
 In Gmail, you can first set up labels and then set up filters to allow 
 messages to be sorted by these labels. However, this requires a lot of 
 website navigation. You can do this from any computer using any platform.
 
 In Mac Mail, you would first create new mailboxes from the mailboxes menu. 
 Then, in Mail Preferences, which can be reached from the Mail Menu inside 
 the app, or by pressing command-comma, you would go to the rules button and 
 set up message rules this way.
 
 If you need further instruction, depending on which way you want to 
 accomplish this, I'd be happy to help.
 
 HtH,
 Teresa
 
 On Aug 14, 2012, at 7:21 AM, Brian Fischler blindga...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Would be great if someone could post how they set everything up in
 gmail or mail, as I am still coming to the group and using auto
 webspots to navigate. Would love to get the group thread through mail,
 but not in my main mailbox Thanks
 
 On Aug 13, 5:31 pm, Andrew Lamanche andrew.laman...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello Iona,
 
 I am so puzzled about this because since upgrading to Mountain Lion, I get 
 these duplicate messages in macvisionaries group as well as the iPhone 
 group. This did not happen before the upgrade. I did not think labels 
 would be a problem but I have removed them anyway in case, especially that 
 Harry suggested it and it had a positive effect for him. I have been 
 looking for a clue in my gmail setting but I haven't found anything so far.
 
 Best wishes
 
 Andrew
 On 13 Aug 2012, at 22:05, Ioana Gandrabur igandra...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Hi,
 
 It would be interesting to check what settings do using Gmail. I also use 
 labels in Gmail and never received any duplicates of the messages in my 
 inbox. Good luck
 Ioana
 Please check out my cd onwww.ioanagandrabur.comon iTunes and most online 
 stores.
 
 On Aug 13, 2012, at 5:03 PM, Andrew Lamanche andrew.laman...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hello Everyone,
 
 I've already asked before about the problem of receiving multiple copies 
 of messages from macvisionaries group. Harry has offered me suggestions 
 to do with labels in gmail (which is the mail provider for me) but they 
 haven't sold the problem. I vaguely seem to remember that I had the same 
 issue under Lion but I can't remember how I had solved it then. I seem 
 to receive two copies of each message in my inbox. Please help if you 
 have any ideas.
 
 With best wishes and thanks
 
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Re: Cannot copy track from shared library to my own computer

2012-08-14 Thread Ioana Gandrabur
HI Tim,
Thanks for your answer.

Unfortunately I still cannot locate that famous copy button. I see the music in 
question but after the list table with music I want to new playlist. I 
activated the shortcut menu of the track I want to get and found a copy option. 
I pressed it but even after 1 minute it still is not in my library. I checked 
the apple id. IS there a setting on the remote computer that I need to check 
that it allows copying items to an other one?Thanks for your elp in solving 
this mystery.

Best,

Ioana transfer it goes 

Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online 
stores.

On Aug 14, 2012, at 10:44 AM, Tim Kilburn kilbur...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,
 
 If you have Home Sharing turned on for both machines, with the same Apple ID, 
 you'll see the other computer in your Sources List under the Devices section. 
  If there is no Devices section, then your Home Sharing is either not set up 
 accordingly or there is a network issue.  Once you have focus on the other 
 computer, expand it with VO-back slash, then wait a few seconds for it to 
 populate, and navigate down to the Music Library or Playlist you wish to grab 
 songs from.  You can then either search with the Search field or navigate 
 through the Table to locate the items you wish to transfer.  Once selected, 
 Stop Interacting with the Table and navigate right to the Copy Item button 
 and things will move over.  They will not be placed in any specific playlist, 
 they will simply be copied over to your Music Library and placed in the Music 
 section within your Sources List.  You can subsequently add them to any 
 playlists you wish.  Now, if you had iTunes Match, it can be configured so 
 that whatever is put in a playlist in one computer is automatically put in 
 the same playlist in the second computer.  It is a very cool set up, although 
 one has to be willing to spend the yearly subscription fee to have the iTunes 
 Match service.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On 2012-08-13, at 6:01 PM, Ioana Gandrabur igandra...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 I remember people saying that there should be a share button to import a 
 track from one computer to an other that shares the library
 I made sure that we are signed in with the same apple id and found the track 
 but could not find a share button. I found the copy item in the shortcut 
 menu and tried pressing vo space on it or pressing enterI pressed comand v 
 on my local usic sours but it did not get copied
 Any help is very appriciated.
 
 Thanks,
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workaround was Re: Cannot copy track from shared library to my own computer

2012-08-14 Thread Ioana Gandrabur
I lost patience and jaust found it in finder on the network and copied it in 
automattically add to itunes.

Best,

Ioana
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stores.

On Aug 14, 2012, at 10:44 AM, Tim Kilburn kilbur...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,
 
 If you have Home Sharing turned on for both machines, with the same Apple ID, 
 you'll see the other computer in your Sources List under the Devices section. 
  If there is no Devices section, then your Home Sharing is either not set up 
 accordingly or there is a network issue.  Once you have focus on the other 
 computer, expand it with VO-back slash, then wait a few seconds for it to 
 populate, and navigate down to the Music Library or Playlist you wish to grab 
 songs from.  You can then either search with the Search field or navigate 
 through the Table to locate the items you wish to transfer.  Once selected, 
 Stop Interacting with the Table and navigate right to the Copy Item button 
 and things will move over.  They will not be placed in any specific playlist, 
 they will simply be copied over to your Music Library and placed in the Music 
 section within your Sources List.  You can subsequently add them to any 
 playlists you wish.  Now, if you had iTunes Match, it can be configured so 
 that whatever is put in a playlist in one computer is automatically put in 
 the same playlist in the second computer.  It is a very cool set up, although 
 one has to be willing to spend the yearly subscription fee to have the iTunes 
 Match service.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On 2012-08-13, at 6:01 PM, Ioana Gandrabur igandra...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 I remember people saying that there should be a share button to import a 
 track from one computer to an other that shares the library
 I made sure that we are signed in with the same apple id and found the track 
 but could not find a share button. I found the copy item in the shortcut 
 menu and tried pressing vo space on it or pressing enterI pressed comand v 
 on my local usic sours but it did not get copied
 Any help is very appriciated.
 
 Thanks,
 Ioana
 
 
 
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Growl in Mountain Lion

2012-08-14 Thread Brian Fischler
Hey all,

I have never used Growl before and have been reading through all the
threads on it to get a better understanding, but still am not sure
what the whole point of it is. I was surprised to learn that Growl is
installed on my system, as I don't recall ever installing as saw that
you had to buy it in the app store. Is the paid version more advanced?
What do people use Growl for? I do not need to be notified of incoming
mail messages as I am constantly checking my mail, but would love to
get notified of when certain friends tweet or post to Facebook. Does
Growl work with Menu Tab or Night Owl? I did see Night Owl in the
applications for Growl in my system preferences, but again am not sure
what it does. I was also surprised to learn that all of my
applications were enabled, but I never get any kind of notifications.
I did read something about turning speech on, so maybe this whole time
I have had little Growl messages popping up but never saying anything.
Thanks for any help.

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Re: multiple messages from macvisionaries group

2012-08-14 Thread Ioana Gandrabur
Hi,

Just a quick update that the advanced imap controls that allow you to choose 
what to synchronize is now a main feature of mail settings. No need to look for 
it in labs. I did have to ask my husband for help since I could not locate the 
show and hide labels in imap in the basic html google site.
I chose to not synchronize the all mail folder.

I was however able to set filters in gmail in basic html site.
My personal setup is a filter directly in gmail to apply macvisionaries labile 
to messages sent to that address. I think I told gmail to skip inbox to avoid 
duplicates.

Hope this helps,

Ioana
Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online 
stores.

On Aug 14, 2012, at 1:04 PM, Harry Hogue harryhog...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi, guys,
 
 Here is the original article I used to fix my mail issue.  I did notice a 
 message from the Mac Visionaries group slipped through to my main mailbox 
 just this morning, but other than that I cannot remember having any issues, 
 and I don't seem to have missed any messages.  Note that this article is a 
 couple of years old, but I followed the instructions with little difficulty.
 The article:  
 http://echeng.com/journal/2010/09/23/preventing-duplicate-gmail-imap-messages-in-mail-app/
 
 I hope this helps someone.
 
 Harry
 
 On Aug 14, 2012, at 8:51 AM, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi, Brian,
 
 In Gmail, you can first set up labels and then set up filters to allow 
 messages to be sorted by these labels. However, this requires a lot of 
 website navigation. You can do this from any computer using any platform.
 
 In Mac Mail, you would first create new mailboxes from the mailboxes menu. 
 Then, in Mail Preferences, which can be reached from the Mail Menu inside 
 the app, or by pressing command-comma, you would go to the rules button and 
 set up message rules this way.
 
 If you need further instruction, depending on which way you want to 
 accomplish this, I'd be happy to help.
 
 HtH,
 Teresa
 
 On Aug 14, 2012, at 7:21 AM, Brian Fischler blindga...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Would be great if someone could post how they set everything up in
 gmail or mail, as I am still coming to the group and using auto
 webspots to navigate. Would love to get the group thread through mail,
 but not in my main mailbox Thanks
 
 On Aug 13, 5:31 pm, Andrew Lamanche andrew.laman...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello Iona,
 
 I am so puzzled about this because since upgrading to Mountain Lion, I get 
 these duplicate messages in macvisionaries group as well as the iPhone 
 group. This did not happen before the upgrade. I did not think labels 
 would be a problem but I have removed them anyway in case, especially that 
 Harry suggested it and it had a positive effect for him. I have been 
 looking for a clue in my gmail setting but I haven't found anything so far.
 
 Best wishes
 
 Andrew
 On 13 Aug 2012, at 22:05, Ioana Gandrabur igandra...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Hi,
 
 It would be interesting to check what settings do using Gmail. I also use 
 labels in Gmail and never received any duplicates of the messages in my 
 inbox. Good luck
 Ioana
 Please check out my cd onwww.ioanagandrabur.comon iTunes and most online 
 stores.
 
 On Aug 13, 2012, at 5:03 PM, Andrew Lamanche andrew.laman...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hello Everyone,
 
 I've already asked before about the problem of receiving multiple copies 
 of messages from macvisionaries group. Harry has offered me suggestions 
 to do with labels in gmail (which is the mail provider for me) but they 
 haven't sold the problem. I vaguely seem to remember that I had the same 
 issue under Lion but I can't remember how I had solved it then. I seem 
 to receive two copies of each message in my inbox. Please help if you 
 have any ideas.
 
 With best wishes and thanks
 
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RE: Growl in Mountain Lion

2012-08-14 Thread Missy Hoppe
I love growl for dropbox notifications. I don't use it for much else at this 
point since Pianopub seems to be broken, but it
can be used for all kinds of neat things. I'm sure others can be of more 
assistance, but once you get it set up the way you
want, Growl is awesome. I was having trouble getting the paid version to work 
under mountain lion, so I just went back to the
last free version. It might not be as fancy, but it does what I need it to do. 
Good luck, and I hope this helps a little.
Missy

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On Behalf Of Brian Fischler
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 2:35 PM
To: MacVisionaries
Subject: Growl in Mountain Lion

Hey all,

I have never used Growl before and have been reading through all the threads on 
it to get a better understanding, but still
am not sure what the whole point of it is. I was surprised to learn that Growl 
is installed on my system, as I don't recall
ever installing as saw that you had to buy it in the app store. Is the paid 
version more advanced?
What do people use Growl for? I do not need to be notified of incoming mail 
messages as I am constantly checking my mail, but
would love to get notified of when certain friends tweet or post to Facebook. 
Does Growl work with Menu Tab or Night Owl? I
did see Night Owl in the applications for Growl in my system preferences, but 
again am not sure what it does. I was also
surprised to learn that all of my applications were enabled, but I never get 
any kind of notifications.
I did read something about turning speech on, so maybe this whole time I have 
had little Growl messages popping up but never
saying anything.
Thanks for any help.

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Mail hanging up when view bye conversation checked

2012-08-14 Thread Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr.
My mail program goes busy for a while when I'm viewing messages with view my 
conversation checked.

This doesn't seem to happen under any other viewing options.

I have four gigs of Ram, and am running VMWare fusion.

Any thoughts?
Antonio

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Re: Preview Pane in Mac Mail (Mountain Lion)

2012-08-14 Thread Jeff Berwick
Yes, the messages are read while cursing through and I do have a horizontal bar 
immediately following the collapsed vertical bar.

Thx,
Jeff

On 2012-08-14, at 1:24 AM, Ioana Gandrabur igandra...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,. 
 
 When are those messages being red? As you arrow through them?. 
 Have to ask again, sorry, did you double check that after the collapsed 
 vertical splitter there follows a horizontal one?. 
 Good luck with solving this issue!. 
 
 Best,. 
 
 Ioana 
 
 Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com, on iTunes or most online 
 stores.
 Sent from my phone
 
 On Aug 13, 2012, at 9:46 PM, Jeff Berwick mailingli...@berwick.name wrote:
 
 Okay, strange but true.  We are close on this one.  Using standard view in 
 Mac Mail Mountain Lion I have been able to get the vertical bar to collapse. 
  This doesn't, however, prevent the entire message from being read.  Any 
 other thoughts?
 
 Thx,
 Jeff
 
 On 2012-08-13, at 11:14 AM, Tim Kilburn kilbur...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Try the following.
 
 1.  Removing the Preview Pane in Classic layout:
 
 • Navigate to the Horizontal Splitter that is to the right of the Messages 
 table.
 • Press VO-cmd-f5 (add FN if needed).  This will bring the mouse to the VO 
 cursor and announce where the mouse is and it should read Horizontal 
 Splitter.
 • Double-click on your Trackpad or alternatively, you can press near the 
 top of the Trackpad and drag to the bottom.  Make sure in this case that 
 you actually make the Trackpad button depress so that the drag action will 
 work.
 
 2.  Removing the Preview Pane for non-Classic layout:
 
 • Navigate to the Vertical Splitter just to the right of the Messages 
 Column Group.
 • Press VO-cmd-f5 (add FN if necessary) to bring the mouse to the VO 
 cursor.  It will announce Vertical Splitter if it did what it was supposed 
 to do.
 • Double-click on the Trackpad or alternatively, put your finger near the 
 left hand side of the Trackpad, then drag to the far right and release.  As 
 in the first case, make sure that you depress the Trackpad button so that 
 the dragging process will occur.
 
 Note that in the Classic layout, you are dealing with a Horizontal Splitter 
 and in the non-Classic layout, you are dealing with a Vertical Splitter. 
 Each case requires a different dragging direction if you choose that option.
 
 There are a couple of ways of determining if it worked.  Firstly, you can 
 navigate around the Mail screen and if you don't hear anything about 
 Message Content Area, life is good.
 
 The second method is a little more complicated but tells you for sure.  In 
 Classic layout, navigate to the Horizontal Splitter to the right of the 
 New Mailbox Action menu.  You'll notice two Horizontal splitters, one 
 after the Messages Table and this one that I'm talking about.  Once you've 
 located this Horizontal Splitter, Interact with it and press VO-down.  Vo 
 will announce Collapsed which is what you want to hear.  In non-Classic 
 layout, navigate to the Vertical Splitter just to the right of the Messages 
 Column Group and Interact with it.  Press VO-right and VO will announce 
 Collapsed if the Preview pane is gone.
 
 HTH.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On 2012-08-12, at 7:16 PM, Jeff Berwick mailingli...@berwick.name wrote:
 
 Thanks for the tip.  However, I'm still not getting anyt=where.  The 
 horizontal bar, according to my mother-in-law, controls a pane on the left 
 which has the list of mailboxes.  The vertical bar seemingly does nothing. 
  Any other tips?
 
 Thx,
 Jeff
 
 On 2012-08-12, at 7:43 PM, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 You need to do a physical mouse click on the bar with your trackpad with 
 trackpad commander turned off or, with a mouse.
 
 hth
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rica...@appletothecore.info
 Twitter:@apple2thecore
 www.appletothecore.info
 
 On Aug 12, 2012, at 7:02 PM, Jeff Berwick mailingli...@berwick.name 
 wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 I know this has been covered, but I had already accomplished this in 
 Lion and, when I upgraded to ML, it just worked.  Now I have purchased a 
 new computer and get get rid of the preview pane.  What am I missing?
 
 I go to the Mail program and go over to the horizontal bar and interact. 
  I then set the percentage to 0% but it doesn't seem to go away.  Any 
 other tips?
 
 Thx,
 Jeff
 
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Re: Preview Pane in Mac Mail (Mountain Lion)

2012-08-14 Thread Ioana Gandrabur
Did you make sure that the number of preview lines is 0? Very strange!
Best,

Ioana

Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online 
stores.

On Aug 14, 2012, at 5:59 PM, Jeff Berwick mailingli...@berwick.name wrote:

 Yes, the messages are read while cursing through and I do have a horizontal 
 bar immediately following the collapsed vertical bar.
 
 Thx,
 Jeff
 
 On 2012-08-14, at 1:24 AM, Ioana Gandrabur igandra...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,. 
 
 When are those messages being red? As you arrow through them?. 
 Have to ask again, sorry, did you double check that after the collapsed 
 vertical splitter there follows a horizontal one?. 
 Good luck with solving this issue!. 
 
 Best,. 
 
 Ioana 
 
 Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com, on iTunes or most online 
 stores.
 Sent from my phone
 
 On Aug 13, 2012, at 9:46 PM, Jeff Berwick mailingli...@berwick.name wrote:
 
 Okay, strange but true.  We are close on this one.  Using standard view in 
 Mac Mail Mountain Lion I have been able to get the vertical bar to 
 collapse.  This doesn't, however, prevent the entire message from being 
 read.  Any other thoughts?
 
 Thx,
 Jeff
 
 On 2012-08-13, at 11:14 AM, Tim Kilburn kilbur...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Try the following.
 
 1.  Removing the Preview Pane in Classic layout:
 
 • Navigate to the Horizontal Splitter that is to the right of the Messages 
 table.
 • Press VO-cmd-f5 (add FN if needed).  This will bring the mouse to the VO 
 cursor and announce where the mouse is and it should read Horizontal 
 Splitter.
 • Double-click on your Trackpad or alternatively, you can press near the 
 top of the Trackpad and drag to the bottom.  Make sure in this case that 
 you actually make the Trackpad button depress so that the drag action will 
 work.
 
 2.  Removing the Preview Pane for non-Classic layout:
 
 • Navigate to the Vertical Splitter just to the right of the Messages 
 Column Group.
 • Press VO-cmd-f5 (add FN if necessary) to bring the mouse to the VO 
 cursor.  It will announce Vertical Splitter if it did what it was supposed 
 to do.
 • Double-click on the Trackpad or alternatively, put your finger near the 
 left hand side of the Trackpad, then drag to the far right and release.  
 As in the first case, make sure that you depress the Trackpad button so 
 that the dragging process will occur.
 
 Note that in the Classic layout, you are dealing with a Horizontal 
 Splitter and in the non-Classic layout, you are dealing with a Vertical 
 Splitter. Each case requires a different dragging direction if you choose 
 that option.
 
 There are a couple of ways of determining if it worked.  Firstly, you can 
 navigate around the Mail screen and if you don't hear anything about 
 Message Content Area, life is good.
 
 The second method is a little more complicated but tells you for sure.  In 
 Classic layout, navigate to the Horizontal Splitter to the right of the 
 New Mailbox Action menu.  You'll notice two Horizontal splitters, one 
 after the Messages Table and this one that I'm talking about.  Once you've 
 located this Horizontal Splitter, Interact with it and press VO-down.  Vo 
 will announce Collapsed which is what you want to hear.  In non-Classic 
 layout, navigate to the Vertical Splitter just to the right of the 
 Messages Column Group and Interact with it.  Press VO-right and VO will 
 announce Collapsed if the Preview pane is gone.
 
 HTH.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On 2012-08-12, at 7:16 PM, Jeff Berwick mailingli...@berwick.name wrote:
 
 Thanks for the tip.  However, I'm still not getting anyt=where.  The 
 horizontal bar, according to my mother-in-law, controls a pane on the 
 left which has the list of mailboxes.  The vertical bar seemingly does 
 nothing.  Any other tips?
 
 Thx,
 Jeff
 
 On 2012-08-12, at 7:43 PM, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 You need to do a physical mouse click on the bar with your trackpad with 
 trackpad commander turned off or, with a mouse.
 
 hth
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rica...@appletothecore.info
 Twitter:@apple2thecore
 www.appletothecore.info
 
 On Aug 12, 2012, at 7:02 PM, Jeff Berwick mailingli...@berwick.name 
 wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 I know this has been covered, but I had already accomplished this in 
 Lion and, when I upgraded to ML, it just worked.  Now I have purchased 
 a new computer and get get rid of the preview pane.  What am I missing?
 
 I go to the Mail program and go over to the horizontal bar and 
 interact.  I then set the percentage to 0% but it doesn't seem to go 
 away.  Any other tips?
 
 Thx,
 Jeff
 
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Re: Preview Pane in Mac Mail (Mountain Lion)

2012-08-14 Thread Jeff Berwick
Where might I find that setting?

Jeff

On 2012-08-14, at 7:49 PM, Ioana Gandrabur igandra...@gmail.com wrote:

 Did you make sure that the number of preview lines is 0? Very strange!
 Best,
 
 Ioana
 
 Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online 
 stores.
 
 On Aug 14, 2012, at 5:59 PM, Jeff Berwick mailingli...@berwick.name wrote:
 
 Yes, the messages are read while cursing through and I do have a horizontal 
 bar immediately following the collapsed vertical bar.
 
 Thx,
 Jeff
 
 On 2012-08-14, at 1:24 AM, Ioana Gandrabur igandra...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,. 
 
 When are those messages being red? As you arrow through them?. 
 Have to ask again, sorry, did you double check that after the collapsed 
 vertical splitter there follows a horizontal one?. 
 Good luck with solving this issue!. 
 
 Best,. 
 
 Ioana 
 
 Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com, on iTunes or most online 
 stores.
 Sent from my phone
 
 On Aug 13, 2012, at 9:46 PM, Jeff Berwick mailingli...@berwick.name wrote:
 
 Okay, strange but true.  We are close on this one.  Using standard view in 
 Mac Mail Mountain Lion I have been able to get the vertical bar to 
 collapse.  This doesn't, however, prevent the entire message from being 
 read.  Any other thoughts?
 
 Thx,
 Jeff
 
 On 2012-08-13, at 11:14 AM, Tim Kilburn kilbur...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Try the following.
 
 1.  Removing the Preview Pane in Classic layout:
 
 • Navigate to the Horizontal Splitter that is to the right of the 
 Messages table.
 • Press VO-cmd-f5 (add FN if needed).  This will bring the mouse to the 
 VO cursor and announce where the mouse is and it should read Horizontal 
 Splitter.
 • Double-click on your Trackpad or alternatively, you can press near the 
 top of the Trackpad and drag to the bottom.  Make sure in this case that 
 you actually make the Trackpad button depress so that the drag action 
 will work.
 
 2.  Removing the Preview Pane for non-Classic layout:
 
 • Navigate to the Vertical Splitter just to the right of the Messages 
 Column Group.
 • Press VO-cmd-f5 (add FN if necessary) to bring the mouse to the VO 
 cursor.  It will announce Vertical Splitter if it did what it was 
 supposed to do.
 • Double-click on the Trackpad or alternatively, put your finger near the 
 left hand side of the Trackpad, then drag to the far right and release.  
 As in the first case, make sure that you depress the Trackpad button so 
 that the dragging process will occur.
 
 Note that in the Classic layout, you are dealing with a Horizontal 
 Splitter and in the non-Classic layout, you are dealing with a Vertical 
 Splitter. Each case requires a different dragging direction if you choose 
 that option.
 
 There are a couple of ways of determining if it worked.  Firstly, you can 
 navigate around the Mail screen and if you don't hear anything about 
 Message Content Area, life is good.
 
 The second method is a little more complicated but tells you for sure.  
 In Classic layout, navigate to the Horizontal Splitter to the right of 
 the New Mailbox Action menu.  You'll notice two Horizontal splitters, 
 one after the Messages Table and this one that I'm talking about.  Once 
 you've located this Horizontal Splitter, Interact with it and press 
 VO-down.  Vo will announce Collapsed which is what you want to hear.  
 In non-Classic layout, navigate to the Vertical Splitter just to the 
 right of the Messages Column Group and Interact with it.  Press VO-right 
 and VO will announce Collapsed if the Preview pane is gone.
 
 HTH.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On 2012-08-12, at 7:16 PM, Jeff Berwick mailingli...@berwick.name wrote:
 
 Thanks for the tip.  However, I'm still not getting anyt=where.  The 
 horizontal bar, according to my mother-in-law, controls a pane on the 
 left which has the list of mailboxes.  The vertical bar seemingly does 
 nothing.  Any other tips?
 
 Thx,
 Jeff
 
 On 2012-08-12, at 7:43 PM, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 You need to do a physical mouse click on the bar with your trackpad 
 with trackpad commander turned off or, with a mouse.
 
 hth
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rica...@appletothecore.info
 Twitter:@apple2thecore
 www.appletothecore.info
 
 On Aug 12, 2012, at 7:02 PM, Jeff Berwick mailingli...@berwick.name 
 wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 I know this has been covered, but I had already accomplished this in 
 Lion and, when I upgraded to ML, it just worked.  Now I have purchased 
 a new computer and get get rid of the preview pane.  What am I missing?
 
 I go to the Mail program and go over to the horizontal bar and 
 interact.  I then set the percentage to 0% but it doesn't seem to go 
 away.  Any other tips?
 
 Thx,
 Jeff
 
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Re: Please explain disclosure triangles

2012-08-14 Thread Mary Scott
This is so super.  Thank you.  My son spent time with me today and helped me so 
much.  I discovered that my biggest issue with opening files is that I did not 
realize how long I had to wait before the file actually opened.  I tend to be 
impatient and my son just kept telling me to wait and let the computer do what 
it needs to do.  So if there are impatient souls out there, waiting is good 
advice.He also fixed my iTunes by completely recreating it.  It was very 
messed up.  It was not me
.  I was beginning to think I was a moron.  Mel  On Aug 14, 2012, at 10:08 AM, 
Chris Blouch cblo...@aol.com wrote:

 If you are in the finder in list view each folder will read
 
 FolderName Collapsed
 
 or
 
 FolderName Expanded
 
 You can use plain old up/down to go up and down the tree and then right left 
 to expand/collapse the folder. Once expanded, up/down will include all the 
 child files/folders. If you are focused on a child and hit left it will jump 
 you back to the parent. If you are on the parent and hit left again it will 
 collapse. If you have a child folder expanded and you collapse its parent, if 
 you later re-expand the parent the child folder will also still be expanded. 
 In other words it puts things back the way you left them. As you probably 
 noticed, when you expand a folder it tells you how many items were revealed 
 (added) to the list.
 
 Tree views are a great way to organize information so you can drill down 
 quickly to the stuff you care about and ignore the rest. Note that all this 
 arrowing around in trees is not specific to voiceover so anyone can do the 
 same keyboard navigation.
 
 CB
 
 On 8/14/12 9:35 AM, Mary Scott wrote:
 I do not hear the word plus or minus.  How do I click on it?  Sorry for 
 silly question.
 On Aug 13, 2012, at 2:17 PM, Chris christopher...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hey at least we do not get those stupid balloons on the mac yea!
 
 On 13/08/2012 17:36, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote:
 It's more like those stupid balloons that would pop up that said things 
 like, You have updates for your computer waiting to be downloaded; click 
 this balloon for more details. Except that it's nothing like that because 
 these are accessible, NOT annoying and … just better.
 
 
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Exceedingly scary and confounding problem with on-line banking account

2012-08-14 Thread Christine Grassman
Since upgrading to ML, I have paid some bills with my on-line banking site with 
no problems whatsoever.  Today, though I was able to log on successfully 
multiple times, as soon as I attempted to do *anything* on the site, I was 
thrown off, and a problem report came up. When I tried to quit out of Safari 
and go back in again, there was the banking site, with the log-in page, waiting 
for my information again. 
I first closed all windows and tried again. No luck. I rebooted and tried 
again. No luck. I called my bank to ensure that no one besides me was 
attempting to log in. They said my log-ins were being recorded, and that only 
one IP address was recorded. Phew! 
I was then told to go in Security, uncheck Java script, but check Java, and 
uncheck allow plug-ins. Then I was told to go to empty cache -- but I could 
not find this animal.  The bank's tech rep said it should be the seventh choice 
down in the Safari menu, but I did not find it.  The only thing I could find 
was clear history -- but could not find cookies, or clearing cache, etc., 
When I logged onto the account on my husband's Mac, all went fine. But no such 
luck on mine. What is going on? Any ideas?
Is it okay to leave the Java, java script, and plug-ins as suggested by the 
bank rep, or should I return to default settings to avoid problems on other 
sites?

Christine

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Re: Exceedingly scary and confounding problem with on-line banking account

2012-08-14 Thread Mark BurningHawk Baxter
The one good answer I can give you is that Cookies and clearing them is found 
in Presences.


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Re: Exceedingly scary and confounding problem with on-line banking account

2012-08-14 Thread Christine Grassman
I looked in Safari preferences, and under the Privacy tab, there is references 
to which cookies to allow, but I did not see any option for clearing them. I 
also cannot locate a general empty cache Looked in Security as well. . 
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Re: Preview Pane in Mac Mail (Mountain Lion)

2012-08-14 Thread Alex Hall
It worked for me, and nothing is marked as read once I arrow over it anymore. 
unfortunately, I can no longer use vo-j, which I wouldn't mind if cmd-o didn't 
read the subject and some other text all over again before reading the message. 
Also, the handy feature, where arrowing would decide in which direction focus 
moved when deleting seems to no longer work either, so focus always moves up. I 
suppose it's a trade-off...
On Aug 13, 2012, at 9:46 PM, Jeff Berwick mailingli...@berwick.name wrote:

 Okay, strange but true.  We are close on this one.  Using standard view in 
 Mac Mail Mountain Lion I have been able to get the vertical bar to collapse.  
 This doesn't, however, prevent the entire message from being read.  Any other 
 thoughts?
 
 Thx,
 Jeff
 
 On 2012-08-13, at 11:14 AM, Tim Kilburn kilbur...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Try the following.
 
 1.  Removing the Preview Pane in Classic layout:
 
 • Navigate to the Horizontal Splitter that is to the right of the Messages 
 table.
 • Press VO-cmd-f5 (add FN if needed).  This will bring the mouse to the VO 
 cursor and announce where the mouse is and it should read Horizontal 
 Splitter.
 • Double-click on your Trackpad or alternatively, you can press near the top 
 of the Trackpad and drag to the bottom.  Make sure in this case that you 
 actually make the Trackpad button depress so that the drag action will work.
 
 2.  Removing the Preview Pane for non-Classic layout:
 
 • Navigate to the Vertical Splitter just to the right of the Messages Column 
 Group.
 • Press VO-cmd-f5 (add FN if necessary) to bring the mouse to the VO cursor. 
  It will announce Vertical Splitter if it did what it was supposed to do.
 • Double-click on the Trackpad or alternatively, put your finger near the 
 left hand side of the Trackpad, then drag to the far right and release.  As 
 in the first case, make sure that you depress the Trackpad button so that 
 the dragging process will occur.
 
 Note that in the Classic layout, you are dealing with a Horizontal Splitter 
 and in the non-Classic layout, you are dealing with a Vertical Splitter. 
 Each case requires a different dragging direction if you choose that option.
 
 There are a couple of ways of determining if it worked.  Firstly, you can 
 navigate around the Mail screen and if you don't hear anything about 
 Message Content Area, life is good.
 
 The second method is a little more complicated but tells you for sure.  In 
 Classic layout, navigate to the Horizontal Splitter to the right of the New 
 Mailbox Action menu.  You'll notice two Horizontal splitters, one after the 
 Messages Table and this one that I'm talking about.  Once you've located 
 this Horizontal Splitter, Interact with it and press VO-down.  Vo will 
 announce Collapsed which is what you want to hear.  In non-Classic layout, 
 navigate to the Vertical Splitter just to the right of the Messages Column 
 Group and Interact with it.  Press VO-right and VO will announce Collapsed 
 if the Preview pane is gone.
 
 HTH.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On 2012-08-12, at 7:16 PM, Jeff Berwick mailingli...@berwick.name wrote:
 
 Thanks for the tip.  However, I'm still not getting anyt=where.  The 
 horizontal bar, according to my mother-in-law, controls a pane on the left 
 which has the list of mailboxes.  The vertical bar seemingly does nothing.  
 Any other tips?
 
 Thx,
 Jeff
 
 On 2012-08-12, at 7:43 PM, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 You need to do a physical mouse click on the bar with your trackpad with 
 trackpad commander turned off or, with a mouse.
 
 hth
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rica...@appletothecore.info
 Twitter:@apple2thecore
 www.appletothecore.info
 
 On Aug 12, 2012, at 7:02 PM, Jeff Berwick mailingli...@berwick.name 
 wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 I know this has been covered, but I had already accomplished this in Lion 
 and, when I upgraded to ML, it just worked.  Now I have purchased a new 
 computer and get get rid of the preview pane.  What am I missing?
 
 I go to the Mail program and go over to the horizontal bar and interact.  
 I then set the percentage to 0% but it doesn't seem to go away.  Any 
 other tips?
 
 Thx,
 Jeff
 
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Re: Exceedingly scary and confounding problem with on-line banking account

2012-08-14 Thread Dan Eickmeier
Anohter thing you could try, is the Reset safari option, which is found in the 
safari menu.  In there, you can do things like clear history and other things.  
Try that, and then try going to your bank's site again.
On 2012-08-14, at 10:00 PM, Christine Grassman cgrassman1...@gmail.com wrote:

 I looked in Safari preferences, and under the Privacy tab, there is 
 references to which cookies to allow, but I did not see any option for 
 clearing them. I also cannot locate a general empty cache Looked in 
 Security as well. . 
 On Aug 14, 2012, at 9:48 PM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter markbaxte...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
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Re: Exceedingly scary and confounding problem with on-line banking account

2012-08-14 Thread Christine Grassman
I did see that; was worried that this would clear all my saved passwords and 
such.
Christine
On Aug 14, 2012, at 10:11 PM, Dan Eickmeier va3ets2...@me.com wrote:

 Anohter thing you could try, is the Reset safari option, which is found in 
 the safari menu.  In there, you can do things like clear history and other 
 things.  Try that, and then try going to your bank's site again.
 On 2012-08-14, at 10:00 PM, Christine Grassman cgrassman1...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 I looked in Safari preferences, and under the Privacy tab, there is 
 references to which cookies to allow, but I did not see any option for 
 clearing them. I also cannot locate a general empty cache Looked in 
 Security as well. . 
 On Aug 14, 2012, at 9:48 PM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter 
 markbaxte...@gmail.com wrote:
 
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 found in Presences.
 
 
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Re: Exceedingly scary and confounding problem with on-line banking account

2012-08-14 Thread Esther
Hi Christine,

I'm not at my computer, so I can't check this first, but try going to
the menu bar (VO-M or Control-F2), right arrow to the Safari menu,
then arrow down to a Reset Safari menu option. I think one of the
submenu options you can check is to clear or empty the cache when you
perform the reset.  Only check the options you want to take effect
with your reset.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

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Re: Exceedingly scary and confounding problem with on-line banking account

2012-08-14 Thread Christine Grassman
I did go into reset Safari, kept checked anything and everything I thought 
might help -- I did not see reference to emptying caches, cookies, or anything 
resembling that. I reset top web sites; reset history; unchecked saved names 
and passwords; I think I left only two or three things unchecked. Still, when I 
go into my bank's web site, it dumps me as soon as I get to the log-in page, or 
right after logging in. It is literally the only web site where I have 
experienced this; I cannot replicate it anywhere else where I must log in. 
Clearly is something about my computer, though, not the bank, not Safari, not 
VoiceOver. 
Christine
P.S. My husband has not upgraded to ML, so that is the one and only difference 
I can think of.

On Aug 14, 2012, at 10:14 PM, Esther mori...@mac.com wrote:

 Hi Christine,
 
 I'm not at my computer, so I can't check this first, but try going to
 the menu bar (VO-M or Control-F2), right arrow to the Safari menu,
 then arrow down to a Reset Safari menu option. I think one of the
 submenu options you can check is to clear or empty the cache when you
 perform the reset.  Only check the options you want to take effect
 with your reset.
 
 HTH.  Cheers,
 
 Esther
 
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 wrote:
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Re: Text edit and icloud

2012-08-14 Thread Veronica Elsea
Hi there!
Happily, I also figured out that somehow when installing ML, it had changed my 
icloud settings. So once I went in and unchecked documents, as I don't want my 
documents in the cloud, Text edit started behaving nicely again. Yay! No 
opening with the strange wizard and saving defaulted to the documents folder. 
Yippee! Thanks.

Veronica

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On Aug 13, 2012, at 5:19 AM, John Sanfilippo vze33...@verizon.net wrote:

 I think it was Veronica who had a question about text edit wanting to put 
 everything in the cloud.
 
 I too found this irritating and discovered that:
 
 1, You can uncheck the iCloud box in the text edit dialog, and check the 
 local box. Then carry on. I do not know if that remains in effect for the 
 future.
 
 2, If you sign out of iCloud then  text edit opens without interruption.
 
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Re: Three running applications?

2012-08-14 Thread Veronica Elsea
Hi Earl.
When I go into the application chooser, it only shows one application, finder. 
Hmmm. Where are the other two hiding and where did that third one come from 
when I didn't change anything, as far as I know? 
Thanks.

Veronica

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On Aug 13, 2012, at 2:37 AM, Earle e.zwic...@sympatico.ca wrote:

 If you hit vo-f1 twice you can see the list of currently open apps.  Just 
 vo-up or down arrow and you can see what all 3 apps are.
 --
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 Msn:  peterson...@sympatico.ca
 
 Skype, Twitter, Facebook, and Yahoo:  rowdyamerican
 
 Aim:  rowdyamerican28
 
 On 2012-08-12, at 7:45 PM, Veronica Elsea veron...@laurelcreekmusic.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi everyone!
 When I'm sitting on my desktop, in the finder and I type VO-F1, it used to 
 say two applications running. Then I'd go into the application chooser and 
 the finder would be there. Well, now suddenly I have it saying three 
 applications running. I'm wondering what in the world that third application 
 could be or how I could find out. As far as I know, I haven't changed 
 anything.
 I did go into my user account and look at the log in tab to see what was 
 checked. The only thing checked in there is iTunes helper. I think this has 
 always been the case. I'm really puzzled. Any thoughts?
 Thanks.
 
 Veronica
 
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what's the most accessable way to list things on ebay?

2012-08-14 Thread trahern culver
hey all i have some things i want to list so what's the most
accessable way to list things on ebay?

kind regards trahern.

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Re: Growl in Mountain Lion

2012-08-14 Thread Shawn Krasniuk
Hi Brian. I use Growl for Trillion, Skype since it's the only way for you to 
hear if someone wrote you a message, Menuweather, and Itunes via GrowlTunes to 
hear what song is being played.


Shawn
Sent from my white Mac Book

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Re: Exceedingly scary and confounding problem with on-line banking account

2012-08-14 Thread Esther

Hi Christine,

I read your original post again, and noted the mention of Java, which
is used by some banking sites.  Java is not installed by default under
Mountain Lion, and depending on whether you upgraded or performed a
clean install of ML you may have a version of Java that is not
compatible or needs to have a certificate deleted.  I'm not clear on
the details, because there are accessibility issues with running the
Java preferences application, so I can't easily check by looking at my
own setup. (We had to delete an old certificate for a Blackboard user
on another list, and use mouse keys to move to change the tabs).

One Apple discussion web site reported this recent exchange:
Installed  mountain lion but the web application I use for internet
banking requires java and there does not seem to be an update for java
in OSX ML
Reply:
Type java into spotlight. Make sure the check boxes are selected in
the java preferences.

The original poster stated this worked like a charm, but I have no
idea which check boxes are referred to given the accessibility issues
and the fact that I'm still running Lion.  The Spotlight instruction
is the way to launch java preferences.

HTH as a starting point. Cheers,

Esther

On Aug 14, 4:22 pm, Christine Grassman cgrassman1...@gmail.com
wrote:
 I did go into reset Safari, kept checked anything and everything I thought 
 might help -- I did not see reference to emptying caches, cookies, or 
 anything resembling that. I reset top web sites; reset history; unchecked 
 saved names and passwords; I think I left only two or three things unchecked. 
 Still, when I go into my bank's web site, it dumps me as soon as I get to the 
 log-in page, or right after logging in. It is literally the only web site 
 where I have experienced this; I cannot replicate it anywhere else where I 
 must log in. Clearly is something about my computer, though, not the bank, 
 not Safari, not VoiceOver.
 Christine
 P.S. My husband has not upgraded to ML, so that is the one and only 
 difference I can think of.

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