Appending To The MacOS Clipboard

[Brian Hansen]

Is it possible to append text, graphics and links to the clipboard in macOS 
Sierra, or would I need a 3rd party app, and if a 3rd party app is required, is 
there one that works well with VO?

Thanks.

Blessings,

Brian

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Re: VoiceOver losing speech on Macbook

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Hey Chris, if you went to the Apple Menu and About This Mac, you could find out 
what year it's from. I kinda find that odd that a 2012 machine would have the 
Alex issue because it's only 4 years old but who knows. I know that 2010 models 
have this which is why I'm avoiding Alex like the plague until Apple fixes him. 
And I assume that you're running Sierra.2 so my question about Alex crashing 
older Macs like mine has been answered, and sadly it still is.

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> On Dec 17, 2016, at 6:33 AM, Chris G  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I have a Macbook pro 13 inch with 16gb ram and a TB SSHD.  This is the one 
> that has the DVD drive on the right side.
> 
> I have the latest mac os installed on it.
> 
> From time to time using Alex the speech will just die.  I can still move 
> around the screen and hear the VO sound effects.  If I toggle VO with command 
> F5 it doesn't come back.  I must press and hold power to get the computer up 
> and running again.
> 
> Does anyone have any suggestions, maybe if I were to use another voice other 
> than Alex?
> 
> ChrisI could be in the middle of navigating around and poof, no speech. It is 
> random.
> 
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Re: On the brink of insanity trying to update OS 10.12.2

[Christine Grassman]

I am elated to report that 10.12.2 is now installed, and iTunes, Pages, and 
Numbers appear to finally be properly updating. Thank you all for your 
suggestions; Simon, your reinstall in Recovery mode did the trick. :)
Christine

> On Dec 17, 2016, at 7:59 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Kristine,
> 
> Have you tried the update / reinstall using the recovery console to get the 
> installer?
> 
> To do this shut the machine down and then hold command R during start up and 
> make sure you hold the keys down for approx.  30 seconds,
> 
> It doesn't have to be that long but I just like to be sure it goes to the 
> correct place.
> 
> Then give it a minute or so for the machine to start up and then switch on 
> voiceover and pick the install OS X option from the utilities menu and then 
> follow the prompts 
> Let us know how that works for you.
> 
> Good luck.
> 
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> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor
> Sent: Sunday, 18 December 2016 12:32 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: On the brink of insanity trying to update OS 10.12.2
> 
> Tim,
> 
> I concur with your suggestion as I have seen this sort of thing happen during 
> beta cycles of the OS, from time-to-time.
> 
> Mark
> 
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 3:26 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: On the brink of insanity trying to update OS 10.12.2
> 
> Scott,
> 
> Christine did say 10.12.2, so I'd assume that it's the MacOS that is causing 
> the frustration.  It sounds to me that the Installer log is confused.  There 
> are ways of editing the log, but it would probably be much easier simply to 
> find the stand-alone installer for 10.12.2 on Apple's site.  Download it, 
> then run that installer to update your system.  If you have problems, let us 
> know.
> 
> Later..
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada 
> 
> On Dec 17, 2016, at 16:16, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> You do not update the IOS through the App Store.
> 
> You go to settings, general, software update and then click install.  
> YOu’ll.be prompted for you pin, enter your pin and then wait a while, the 
> file will download and you’ll click install.  All will complete at that point 
> on it’s own and it can take several minutes where the phone seems dead.  Just 
> leave it alone once it starts to install and be sure you’re plugged in.
> 
> Hope that helps.
> 
> On Dec 17, 2016, at 5:21 PM, Christine Grassman  
> wrote:
> 
>   In a nutshell: My automatic update did not work, though I received a 
> notification and authorized the download. I tried rebooting I tried manual 
> downloading. I tried clearing my history and attempted downloading again. The 
> only updates shown when I go to the update tab in the App Store are Pages and 
> Numbers, which I downloaded weeks ago. Each time I hit “Update All” it soon 
> says “no updates available” — and yet, moments later, 2 updates are again 
> available. I am at a loss. :( Help! TIA.
> Christine
> 
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Re: On the brink of insanity trying to update OS 10.12.2

[E.T.]

Christine,
   What may work is to find all occurrences of the install file and 
trash it then empty the trash. Then download a fresh copy.


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On 12/17/2016 5:07 PM, Christine Grassman wrote:

The saga continues. Oddly, Sierra was not in my “purchases,” so I
searched for it and clicked Install, followed by Continue. Then I
clicked Agree twice. Then a grid appeared with the message “You can’t
upgrade this version because a newer version is installed.” Yet, “About
This Mac” insists I have 10.12.1. I am at a loss.
Christine
 On Dec 17, 2016, at 6:51 PM, Tim Kilburn > wrote:


Christine,

Sounds like it's being less than cooperative for you.  How about we
try to download the entire Sierra installer from the AppStore then.
 When in the AppStore on your Mac, press cmd-4 to bring focus to your
purchases.  Sign in if needed.  There should be a table with your list
of purchases.  Interact with it and see if Sierra is in there.  If it
is, then to the far right of that row should be an Install or Download
button, press it.  If for some reason, Sierra is not in your list of
purchases, press cmd-f and enter Sierra in the resulting field, then
press return.  MacOS Sierra should be your first result in the Search
Results.  Locate the Install button within the info for MacOS Sierra
and press it.  If it says that you already have Sierra, press the "So
What" button, oops, I mean the Continue button.  If the download
progress is not available in this screen, press cmd-4 again to bring
up the Purchases scree and interact with the Other Purchases table,
you should find the download progress in there.

See if you have any more success this way.

HTH.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Dec 17, 2016, at 16:39, Christine Grassman > wrote:

Tim, I did attempt to download the regular update directly from Apple,
but it will not download completely. It has stopped at 34.9 MB, 36.6
mb, and 40.5 MB.
I have downloaded other items with no problem.
Christine



On Dec 17, 2016, at 6:26 PM, Tim Kilburn > wrote:

Scott,

Christine did say 10.12.2, so I'd assume that it's the MacOS that is
causing the frustration.  It sounds to me that the Installer log is
confused.  There are ways of editing the log, but it would probably
be much easier simply to find the stand-alone installer for 10.12.2
on Apple's site.  Download it, then run that installer to update your
system.  If you have problems, let us know.

Later..

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Dec 17, 2016, at 16:16, Scott Granados > wrote:

You do not update the IOS through the App Store.

You go to settings, general, software update and then click install.
 YOu’ll.be  prompted for you pin, enter your pin and
then wait a while, the file will download and you’ll click install.
 All will complete at that point on it’s own and it can take several
minutes where the phone seems dead.  Just leave it alone once it
starts to install and be sure you’re plugged in.

Hope that helps.


On Dec 17, 2016, at 5:21 PM, Christine Grassman
> wrote:

In a nutshell: My automatic update did not work, though I received a
notification and authorized the download. I tried rebooting I tried
manual downloading. I tried clearing my history and attempted
downloading again. The only updates shown when I go to the update
tab in the App Store are Pages and Numbers, which I downloaded weeks
ago. Each time I hit “Update All” it soon says “no updates
available” — and yet, moments later, 2 updates are again available.
I am at a loss. :(
Help! TIA.
Christine

P.S. I have an early 2014 11-inch MacBook Air running Sierra with 4
gigs.

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RE: On the brink of insanity trying to update OS 10.12.2

[Simon Fogarty]

Actually I got that same error the otherday,

I ended up downloading he installer and then running it from within 
applications folder.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Christine Grassman
Sent: Sunday, 18 December 2016 2:07 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: On the brink of insanity trying to update OS 10.12.2

The saga continues. Oddly, Sierra was not in my “purchases,” so I searched for 
it and clicked Install, followed by Continue. Then I clicked Agree twice. Then 
a grid appeared with the message “You can’t upgrade this version because a 
newer version is installed.” Yet, “About This Mac” insists I have 10.12.1. I am 
at a loss.
Christine
 On Dec 17, 2016, at 6:51 PM, Tim Kilburn 
> wrote:

Christine,

Sounds like it's being less than cooperative for you.  How about we try to 
download the entire Sierra installer from the AppStore then.  When in the 
AppStore on your Mac, press cmd-4 to bring focus to your purchases.  Sign in if 
needed.  There should be a table with your list of purchases.  Interact with it 
and see if Sierra is in there.  If it is, then to the far right of that row 
should be an Install or Download button, press it.  If for some reason, Sierra 
is not in your list of purchases, press cmd-f and enter Sierra in the resulting 
field, then press return.  MacOS Sierra should be your first result in the 
Search Results.  Locate the Install button within the info for MacOS Sierra and 
press it.  If it says that you already have Sierra, press the "So What" button, 
oops, I mean the Continue button.  If the download progress is not available in 
this screen, press cmd-4 again to bring up the Purchases scree and interact 
with the Other Purchases table, you should find the download progress in there.

See if you have any more success this way.

HTH.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Dec 17, 2016, at 16:39, Christine Grassman 
> wrote:

Tim, I did attempt to download the regular update directly from Apple, but it 
will not download completely. It has stopped at 34.9 MB, 36.6 mb, and 40.5 MB.
I have downloaded other items with no problem.
Christine


On Dec 17, 2016, at 6:26 PM, Tim Kilburn 
> wrote:

Scott,

Christine did say 10.12.2, so I'd assume that it's the MacOS that is causing 
the frustration.  It sounds to me that the Installer log is confused.  There 
are ways of editing the log, but it would probably be much easier simply to 
find the stand-alone installer for 10.12.2 on Apple's site.  Download it, then 
run that installer to update your system.  If you have problems, let us know.

Later..

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Dec 17, 2016, at 16:16, Scott Granados 
> wrote:

You do not update the IOS through the App Store.

You go to settings, general, software update and then click install.  
YOu’ll.be prompted for you pin, enter your pin and then wait a 
while, the file will download and you’ll click install.  All will complete at 
that point on it’s own and it can take several minutes where the phone seems 
dead.  Just leave it alone once it starts to install and be sure you’re plugged 
in.

Hope that helps.

On Dec 17, 2016, at 5:21 PM, Christine Grassman 
> wrote:

In a nutshell: My automatic update did not work, though I received 
a notification and authorized the download. I tried rebooting I tried manual 
downloading. I tried clearing my history and attempted downloading again. The 
only updates shown when I go to the update tab in the App Store are Pages and 
Numbers, which I downloaded weeks ago. Each time I hit “Update All” it soon 
says “no updates available” — and yet, moments later, 2 updates are again 
available. I am at a loss. :(
Help! TIA.
Christine

P.S. I have an early 2014 11-inch MacBook Air running Sierra with 4 gigs.

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Re: On the brink of insanity trying to update OS 10.12.2

[Christine Grassman]

The saga continues. Oddly, Sierra was not in my “purchases,” so I searched for 
it and clicked Install, followed by Continue. Then I clicked Agree twice. Then 
a grid appeared with the message “You can’t upgrade this version because a 
newer version is installed.” Yet, “About This Mac” insists I have 10.12.1. I am 
at a loss. 
Christine
 On Dec 17, 2016, at 6:51 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Christine,
> 
> Sounds like it's being less than cooperative for you.  How about we try to 
> download the entire Sierra installer from the AppStore then.  When in the 
> AppStore on your Mac, press cmd-4 to bring focus to your purchases.  Sign in 
> if needed.  There should be a table with your list of purchases.  Interact 
> with it and see if Sierra is in there.  If it is, then to the far right of 
> that row should be an Install or Download button, press it.  If for some 
> reason, Sierra is not in your list of purchases, press cmd-f and enter Sierra 
> in the resulting field, then press return.  MacOS Sierra should be your first 
> result in the Search Results.  Locate the Install button within the info for 
> MacOS Sierra and press it.  If it says that you already have Sierra, press 
> the "So What" button, oops, I mean the Continue button.  If the download 
> progress is not available in this screen, press cmd-4 again to bring up the 
> Purchases scree and interact with the Other Purchases table, you should find 
> the download progress in there.
> 
> See if you have any more success this way.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later...
>  
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Dec 17, 2016, at 16:39, Christine Grassman  > wrote:
> 
> Tim, I did attempt to download the regular update directly from Apple, but it 
> will not download completely. It has stopped at 34.9 MB, 36.6 mb, and 40.5 MB.
> I have downloaded other items with no problem.
> Christine
>  
>  
>> On Dec 17, 2016, at 6:26 PM, Tim Kilburn > > wrote:
>> 
>> Scott,
>> 
>> Christine did say 10.12.2, so I'd assume that it's the MacOS that is causing 
>> the frustration.  It sounds to me that the Installer log is confused.  There 
>> are ways of editing the log, but it would probably be much easier simply to 
>> find the stand-alone installer for 10.12.2 on Apple's site.  Download it, 
>> then run that installer to update your system.  If you have problems, let us 
>> know.
>> 
>> Later..
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Dec 17, 2016, at 16:16, Scott Granados > > wrote:
>> 
>> You do not update the IOS through the App Store.
>> 
>> You go to settings, general, software update and then click install.  
>> YOu’ll.be  prompted for you pin, enter your pin and then wait 
>> a while, the file will download and you’ll click install.  All will complete 
>> at that point on it’s own and it can take several minutes where the phone 
>> seems dead.  Just leave it alone once it starts to install and be sure 
>> you’re plugged in.
>> 
>> Hope that helps.
>> 
>>> On Dec 17, 2016, at 5:21 PM, Christine Grassman >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> In a nutshell: My automatic update did not work, though I received a 
>>> notification and authorized the download. I tried rebooting I tried manual 
>>> downloading. I tried clearing my history and attempted downloading again. 
>>> The only updates shown when I go to the update tab in the App Store are 
>>> Pages and Numbers, which I downloaded weeks ago. Each time I hit “Update 
>>> All” it soon says “no updates available” — and yet, moments later, 2 
>>> updates are again available. I am at a loss. :( 
>>> Help! TIA.
>>> Christine
>>> 
>>> P.S. I have an early 2014 11-inch MacBook Air running Sierra with 4 gigs.
>>> 
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Re: Aliases in icloud mail

[E.T.]

   This Apple article will guide you through the process.



From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
  I have seen the truth and it makes no sense.
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 12/17/2016 4:51 PM, Simon Fogarty wrote:

Never been able to add an alias but try going through
Applied.apple.com and see if that gives you any more information.



-Original Message-
From: Paul Hopewell  [mailto:paulhopewe...@gmail.com] On 
Behalf Of Paul Hopewell
Sent: Sunday, 18 December 2016 10:55 AM
To: macvisionaries 
Subject: Aliases in icloud mail

Hello,
I am using VoiceOver on the latest El Capitan on my late 2008 iMac.
I would like to add some Email aliases to my iCloud mail account but cannot 
work out how to do this under VoiceOver. I log into www.icloud.com and select 
change iCloud settings and then change app and then mail. Alas that does not 
offer me an option to add a new alias. I have tried this with both Safari and 
Chrome with no joy.
A complication is that I have set up 2 factor authentication on my iCloud 
account which results in a 6 digit verification code being sent to my iPhone. I 
then enter this onto my iMac and so think this part of the process is working 
OK.
Has anyone added an iCloud mail alias using VoiceOver?
Many thanks….

Paul Hopewell



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RE: On the brink of insanity trying to update OS 10.12.2

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Kristine,

Have you tried the update / reinstall using the recovery console to get the 
installer?

To do this shut the machine down and then hold command R during start up and 
make sure you hold the keys down for approx.  30 seconds,

 It doesn't have to be that long but I just like to be sure it goes to the 
correct place.

Then give it a minute or so for the machine to start up and then switch on 
voiceover and pick the install OS X option from the utilities menu and then 
follow the prompts 
 Let us know how that works for you.

Good luck.

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Sunday, 18 December 2016 12:32 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: On the brink of insanity trying to update OS 10.12.2

Tim,

I concur with your suggestion as I have seen this sort of thing happen during 
beta cycles of the OS, from time-to-time.

Mark

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 3:26 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: On the brink of insanity trying to update OS 10.12.2

Scott,

Christine did say 10.12.2, so I'd assume that it's the MacOS that is causing 
the frustration.  It sounds to me that the Installer log is confused.  There 
are ways of editing the log, but it would probably be much easier simply to 
find the stand-alone installer for 10.12.2 on Apple's site.  Download it, then 
run that installer to update your system.  If you have problems, let us know.

Later..

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada 

On Dec 17, 2016, at 16:16, Scott Granados  wrote:

You do not update the IOS through the App Store.

You go to settings, general, software update and then click install.  YOu’ll.be 
prompted for you pin, enter your pin and then wait a while, the file will 
download and you’ll click install.  All will complete at that point on it’s own 
and it can take several minutes where the phone seems dead.  Just leave it 
alone once it starts to install and be sure you’re plugged in.

Hope that helps.

On Dec 17, 2016, at 5:21 PM, Christine Grassman  wrote:

In a nutshell: My automatic update did not work, though I received a 
notification and authorized the download. I tried rebooting I tried manual 
downloading. I tried clearing my history and attempted downloading again. The 
only updates shown when I go to the update tab in the App Store are Pages and 
Numbers, which I downloaded weeks ago. Each time I hit “Update All” it soon 
says “no updates available” — and yet, moments later, 2 updates are again 
available. I am at a loss. :( Help! TIA.
Christine

P.S. I have an early 2014 11-inch MacBook Air running Sierra with 4 gigs.

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RE: Aliases in icloud mail

[Simon Fogarty]

Never been able to add an alias but try going through 
Applied.apple.com and see if that gives you any more information.



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Sent: Sunday, 18 December 2016 10:55 AM
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Subject: Aliases in icloud mail

Hello, 
I am using VoiceOver on the latest El Capitan on my late 2008 iMac. 
I would like to add some Email aliases to my iCloud mail account but cannot 
work out how to do this under VoiceOver. I log into www.icloud.com and select 
change iCloud settings and then change app and then mail. Alas that does not 
offer me an option to add a new alias. I have tried this with both Safari and 
Chrome with no joy. 
A complication is that I have set up 2 factor authentication on my iCloud 
account which results in a 6 digit verification code being sent to my iPhone. I 
then enter this onto my iMac and so think this part of the process is working 
OK. 
Has anyone added an iCloud mail alias using VoiceOver? 
Many thanks….

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Re: VoiceOver losing speech on Macbook

[Chris G]

Andrew, Thanks for your reply.

I got the macbook pro from eBay so am not sure the year.  it said it was 
the last version to have the DVD drive, probably 2012.  it works quite 
well accept for the speech loss.

I'll report it to accessibility.

right now I'm running Samantha.

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From: Andrew Lamanche
Sent: Saturday, Dec 17, 2016 1:15 PM EST
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: VoiceOver losing speech on Macbook

I'm afraid that was my experience too on my late 2010 macbook air.  I 
had to give up using Alex for this not to happen.  What age is your 
computer?  I've reported it to accessibility at apple.  You may wish to 
report it too.

On 17 Dec 2016, at 12:33, Chris G  wrote:

Hi,
I have a Macbook pro 13 inch with 16gb ram and a TB SSHD.  This is the 
one that has the DVD drive on the right side.


I have the latest mac os installed on it.

From time to time using Alex the speech will just die.  I can still 
move around the screen and hear the VO sound effects.  If I toggle VO 
with command F5 it doesn't come back.  I must press and hold power to 
get the computer up and running again.


Does anyone have any suggestions, maybe if I were to use another voice 
other than Alex?


ChrisI could be in the middle of navigating around and poof, no speech. 
It is random.



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Re: On the brink of insanity trying to update OS 10.12.2

[Tim Kilburn]

Christine,

Sounds like it's being less than cooperative for you.  How about we try to 
download the entire Sierra installer from the AppStore then.  When in the 
AppStore on your Mac, press cmd-4 to bring focus to your purchases.  Sign in if 
needed.  There should be a table with your list of purchases.  Interact with it 
and see if Sierra is in there.  If it is, then to the far right of that row 
should be an Install or Download button, press it.  If for some reason, Sierra 
is not in your list of purchases, press cmd-f and enter Sierra in the resulting 
field, then press return.  MacOS Sierra should be your first result in the 
Search Results.  Locate the Install button within the info for MacOS Sierra and 
press it.  If it says that you already have Sierra, press the "So What" button, 
oops, I mean the Continue button.  If the download progress is not available in 
this screen, press cmd-4 again to bring up the Purchases scree and interact 
with the Other Purchases table, you should find the download progress in there.

See if you have any more success this way.

HTH.

Later...
 
Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Dec 17, 2016, at 16:39, Christine Grassman  wrote:

Tim, I did attempt to download the regular update directly from Apple, but it 
will not download completely. It has stopped at 34.9 MB, 36.6 mb, and 40.5 MB.
I have downloaded other items with no problem.
Christine
 
 
> On Dec 17, 2016, at 6:26 PM, Tim Kilburn  > wrote:
> 
> Scott,
> 
> Christine did say 10.12.2, so I'd assume that it's the MacOS that is causing 
> the frustration.  It sounds to me that the Installer log is confused.  There 
> are ways of editing the log, but it would probably be much easier simply to 
> find the stand-alone installer for 10.12.2 on Apple's site.  Download it, 
> then run that installer to update your system.  If you have problems, let us 
> know.
> 
> Later..
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Dec 17, 2016, at 16:16, Scott Granados  > wrote:
> 
> You do not update the IOS through the App Store.
> 
> You go to settings, general, software update and then click install.  
> YOu’ll.be  prompted for you pin, enter your pin and then wait 
> a while, the file will download and you’ll click install.  All will complete 
> at that point on it’s own and it can take several minutes where the phone 
> seems dead.  Just leave it alone once it starts to install and be sure you’re 
> plugged in.
> 
> Hope that helps.
> 
>> On Dec 17, 2016, at 5:21 PM, Christine Grassman > > wrote:
>> 
>>  In a nutshell: My automatic update did not work, though I received a 
>> notification and authorized the download. I tried rebooting I tried manual 
>> downloading. I tried clearing my history and attempted downloading again. 
>> The only updates shown when I go to the update tab in the App Store are 
>> Pages and Numbers, which I downloaded weeks ago. Each time I hit “Update 
>> All” it soon says “no updates available” — and yet, moments later, 2 updates 
>> are again available. I am at a loss. :( 
>> Help! TIA.
>> Christine
>> 
>> P.S. I have an early 2014 11-inch MacBook Air running Sierra with 4 gigs.
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Re: On the brink of insanity trying to update OS 10.12.2

[Christine Grassman]

Tim, I did attempt to download the regular update directly from Apple, but it 
will not download completely. It has stopped at 34.9 MB, 36.6 mb, and 40.5 MB.
I have downloaded other items with no problem.
Christine
 
 
> On Dec 17, 2016, at 6:26 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Scott,
> 
> Christine did say 10.12.2, so I'd assume that it's the MacOS that is causing 
> the frustration.  It sounds to me that the Installer log is confused.  There 
> are ways of editing the log, but it would probably be much easier simply to 
> find the stand-alone installer for 10.12.2 on Apple's site.  Download it, 
> then run that installer to update your system.  If you have problems, let us 
> know.
> 
> Later..
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Dec 17, 2016, at 16:16, Scott Granados  > wrote:
> 
> You do not update the IOS through the App Store.
> 
> You go to settings, general, software update and then click install.  
> YOu’ll.be  prompted for you pin, enter your pin and then wait 
> a while, the file will download and you’ll click install.  All will complete 
> at that point on it’s own and it can take several minutes where the phone 
> seems dead.  Just leave it alone once it starts to install and be sure you’re 
> plugged in.
> 
> Hope that helps.
> 
>> On Dec 17, 2016, at 5:21 PM, Christine Grassman > > wrote:
>> 
>>  In a nutshell: My automatic update did not work, though I received a 
>> notification and authorized the download. I tried rebooting I tried manual 
>> downloading. I tried clearing my history and attempted downloading again. 
>> The only updates shown when I go to the update tab in the App Store are 
>> Pages and Numbers, which I downloaded weeks ago. Each time I hit “Update 
>> All” it soon says “no updates available” — and yet, moments later, 2 updates 
>> are again available. I am at a loss. :( 
>> Help! TIA.
>> Christine
>> 
>> P.S. I have an early 2014 11-inch MacBook Air running Sierra with 4 gigs.
>> 
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Re: itunes help, please!

[alia robinson]

nope it isn’t. 
> On Dec 17, 2016, at 2:43 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   Maybe do command-option-l to see if anything is actually being downloaded.

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RE: On the brink of insanity trying to update OS 10.12.2

[M. Taylor]

Tim,

I concur with your suggestion as I have seen this sort of thing happen during 
beta cycles of the OS, from time-to-time.

Mark

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: On the brink of insanity trying to update OS 10.12.2

Scott,

Christine did say 10.12.2, so I'd assume that it's the MacOS that is causing 
the frustration.  It sounds to me that the Installer log is confused.  There 
are ways of editing the log, but it would probably be much easier simply to 
find the stand-alone installer for 10.12.2 on Apple's site.  Download it, then 
run that installer to update your system.  If you have problems, let us know.

Later..

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada 

On Dec 17, 2016, at 16:16, Scott Granados  wrote:

You do not update the IOS through the App Store.

You go to settings, general, software update and then click install.  YOu’ll.be 
prompted for you pin, enter your pin and then wait a while, the file will 
download and you’ll click install.  All will complete at that point on it’s own 
and it can take several minutes where the phone seems dead.  Just leave it 
alone once it starts to install and be sure you’re plugged in.

Hope that helps.

On Dec 17, 2016, at 5:21 PM, Christine Grassman  wrote:

In a nutshell: My automatic update did not work, though I received a 
notification and authorized the download. I tried rebooting I tried manual 
downloading. I tried clearing my history and attempted downloading again. The 
only updates shown when I go to the update tab in the App Store are Pages and 
Numbers, which I downloaded weeks ago. Each time I hit “Update All” it soon 
says “no updates available” — and yet, moments later, 2 updates are again 
available. I am at a loss. :( 
Help! TIA.
Christine

P.S. I have an early 2014 11-inch MacBook Air running Sierra with 4 gigs.

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Re: On the brink of insanity trying to update OS 10.12.2

[Scott Granados]

Tim, you’re absolutely right, that was my fault entirely.  I heard the 10 and 
the 2 and thought I heard IOS.  Totally wrong on my part.

I’ll be glad to grab the installer if the original poster can’t find it.

> On Dec 17, 2016, at 6:26 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Scott,
> 
> Christine did say 10.12.2, so I'd assume that it's the MacOS that is causing 
> the frustration.  It sounds to me that the Installer log is confused.  There 
> are ways of editing the log, but it would probably be much easier simply to 
> find the stand-alone installer for 10.12.2 on Apple's site.  Download it, 
> then run that installer to update your system.  If you have problems, let us 
> know.
> 
> Later..
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Dec 17, 2016, at 16:16, Scott Granados  > wrote:
> 
> You do not update the IOS through the App Store.
> 
> You go to settings, general, software update and then click install.  
> YOu’ll.be  prompted for you pin, enter your pin and then wait 
> a while, the file will download and you’ll click install.  All will complete 
> at that point on it’s own and it can take several minutes where the phone 
> seems dead.  Just leave it alone once it starts to install and be sure you’re 
> plugged in.
> 
> Hope that helps.
> 
>> On Dec 17, 2016, at 5:21 PM, Christine Grassman > > wrote:
>> 
>>  In a nutshell: My automatic update did not work, though I received a 
>> notification and authorized the download. I tried rebooting I tried manual 
>> downloading. I tried clearing my history and attempted downloading again. 
>> The only updates shown when I go to the update tab in the App Store are 
>> Pages and Numbers, which I downloaded weeks ago. Each time I hit “Update 
>> All” it soon says “no updates available” — and yet, moments later, 2 updates 
>> are again available. I am at a loss. :( 
>> Help! TIA.
>> Christine
>> 
>> P.S. I have an early 2014 11-inch MacBook Air running Sierra with 4 gigs.
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Re: On the brink of insanity trying to update OS 10.12.2

[Scott Granados]

Oh wow you’re absolutely right, I totally misread that one.

My apologies for adding to the confusion.  

> On Dec 17, 2016, at 6:23 PM, Helga Schreiber  
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> Hi Scott. How ar eyou? She is talking about OSX update,not iOS 10.2 update on 
> the iPhone. Hope this clarifies! Thanks!
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>> You do not update the IOS through the App Store.
>> 
>> You go to settings, general, software update and then click install.  
>> YOu’ll.be  prompted for you pin, enter your pin and then wait 
>> a while, the file will download and you’ll click install.  All will complete 
>> at that point on it’s own and it can take several minutes where the phone 
>> seems dead.  Just leave it alone once it starts to install and be sure 
>> you’re plugged in.
>> 
>> Hope that helps.
>> 
>>> On Dec 17, 2016, at 5:21 PM, Christine Grassman >> > wrote:
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>>> In a nutshell: My automatic update did not work, though I received a 
>>> notification and authorized the download. I tried rebooting I tried manual 
>>> downloading. I tried clearing my history and attempted downloading again. 
>>> The only updates shown when I go to the update tab in the App Store are 
>>> Pages and Numbers, which I downloaded weeks ago. Each time I hit “Update 
>>> All” it soon says “no updates available” — and yet, moments later, 2 
>>> updates are again available. I am at a loss. :( 
>>> Help! TIA.
>>> Christine
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Re: On the brink of insanity trying to update OS 10.12.2

[Tim Kilburn]

Scott,

Christine did say 10.12.2, so I'd assume that it's the MacOS that is causing 
the frustration.  It sounds to me that the Installer log is confused.  There 
are ways of editing the log, but it would probably be much easier simply to 
find the stand-alone installer for 10.12.2 on Apple's site.  Download it, then 
run that installer to update your system.  If you have problems, let us know.

Later..

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Dec 17, 2016, at 16:16, Scott Granados  wrote:

You do not update the IOS through the App Store.

You go to settings, general, software update and then click install.  YOu’ll.be 
 prompted for you pin, enter your pin and then wait a while, the 
file will download and you’ll click install.  All will complete at that point 
on it’s own and it can take several minutes where the phone seems dead.  Just 
leave it alone once it starts to install and be sure you’re plugged in.

Hope that helps.

> On Dec 17, 2016, at 5:21 PM, Christine Grassman  > wrote:
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>   In a nutshell: My automatic update did not work, though I received a 
> notification and authorized the download. I tried rebooting I tried manual 
> downloading. I tried clearing my history and attempted downloading again. The 
> only updates shown when I go to the update tab in the App Store are Pages and 
> Numbers, which I downloaded weeks ago. Each time I hit “Update All” it soon 
> says “no updates available” — and yet, moments later, 2 updates are again 
> available. I am at a loss. :( 
> Help! TIA.
> Christine
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Re: On the brink of insanity trying to update OS 10.12.2

[Helga Schreiber]

Hi Scott. How ar eyou? She is talking about OSX update,not iOS 10.2 update on 
the iPhone. Hope this clarifies! Thanks!

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Sent from my iPhone 7 running IOS 10.1.1

> On Dec 17, 2016, at 6:16 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> You do not update the IOS through the App Store.
> 
> You go to settings, general, software update and then click install.  
> YOu’ll.be prompted for you pin, enter your pin and then wait a while, the 
> file will download and you’ll click install.  All will complete at that point 
> on it’s own and it can take several minutes where the phone seems dead.  Just 
> leave it alone once it starts to install and be sure you’re plugged in.
> 
> Hope that helps.
> 
>> On Dec 17, 2016, at 5:21 PM, Christine Grassman  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>  In a nutshell: My automatic update did not work, though I received a 
>> notification and authorized the download. I tried rebooting I tried manual 
>> downloading. I tried clearing my history and attempted downloading again. 
>> The only updates shown when I go to the update tab in the App Store are 
>> Pages and Numbers, which I downloaded weeks ago. Each time I hit “Update 
>> All” it soon says “no updates available” — and yet, moments later, 2 updates 
>> are again available. I am at a loss. :( 
>> Help! TIA.
>> Christine
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RE: Stopping GMAIL archiving

[M. Taylor]

Hello Paul,

The short answer to your question is, Yes.  You can either manually delete 
messages from your account or have gMail automatically permanently delete 
messages.  

I will describe the broad strokes on how to accomplish your goal.  For detailed 
instructions, perform a Google search as it has been quite some time since I 
configured my settings and my memory may be a bit rusty.  

Keep in mind that gMail uses labels instead of actual folders; however many use 
these two terms, interchangeably.

Okay, the first thing you will need to do is to set gMail to automatically 
delete any messages with the Trash label, after 30 days.  You will configure 
this setting from within your gMail.com web interface.  

On your Mac, from within the Mail preferences area, you will configure the 
settings such that any deleted messages will be moved to the Trash folder on 
the server.  In this same area, you will find a setting that determines when 
the Trash folder/label should be permanently purged.  

Oh, make certain that, while in the gMail.com web interface, you set the All 
mail folder/label to always be displayed.  I believe this setting is located in 
the Labels area of gMail.com.

To remove current items, either from within your OS X Mail client or via the 
web interface, simply move all of the current archived messages into the Trash 
folder and then manually delete them via either a button in the Web interface 
or via the mailbox menu in the Mac mail client.

Mark

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Behalf Of Paul Hopewell
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 1:46 PM
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Subject: Stopping GMAIL archiving

Hello, 
I am running the latest El Capitan on my late 2008 iMac. I am using GMAIL with 
imap protocol. 

It seems that GMAIL moves every message I have ever sent or received into its 
all mail folder which appears on my iMac as the archive folder. I do not like 
GMAIL retaining all these Emails as it reduces my privacy and so would like to 
stop this behaviour. I have looked at my GMAIL settings and cannot see anything 
I can change to stop GMAIL archiving. Is it possible to stop GMAIL archiving 
all messages?
Many thanks….

Paul Hopewell 

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Re: Anyone successfully triple booting?

[Scott Granados]

Hi there, personally I would advise against this and I’m most willing to hear 
opposing viewpoints on this but here’s my take.  Using vision you have a 
totally accessible path to each OS.  Using bootcamp the selection of the OS you 
wish to boot is not accessible to my understanding of things.  If you’re in a 
hurry this could be an issue.  I’m sure like anything it’s just a matter of 
memorizing key presses but for me fusion does so well I wouldn’t bother with 
the potential headaches.

Just my $.02 realize that doesn’t answer your larger question of how to.

> On Dec 17, 2016, at 7:27 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
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> I'm mulling a rebuild of the various OS on my 2013 vintage Airbook. I
> have VMware, and I've used it more or less successfully. But, there are
> times on the road where I don't need to switch among the various
> installed OS. These are times were direct access into one OS will be
> sufficient.
> 
> So, it's clear that Bootcamp is there to dual boot OSX and Windows. But,
> what about a third booting option? Say I want a third choice, say Arch
> Linux.
> 
> I find a howto on the net for setting this up:
> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/MacBook
> 
> But, before I dive in to try and get it going, I wanted to ask for the
> experience and wisdom of any here who may have successfully created a
> triple boot configuration.
> 
> Thanks in advance for any guidance.
> 
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Re: On the brink of insanity trying to update OS 10.12.2

[Scott Granados]

You do not update the IOS through the App Store.

You go to settings, general, software update and then click install.  YOu’ll.be 
 prompted for you pin, enter your pin and then wait a while, the 
file will download and you’ll click install.  All will complete at that point 
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leave it alone once it starts to install and be sure you’re plugged in.

Hope that helps.

> On Dec 17, 2016, at 5:21 PM, Christine Grassman  
> wrote:
> 
>   In a nutshell: My automatic update did not work, though I received a 
> notification and authorized the download. I tried rebooting I tried manual 
> downloading. I tried clearing my history and attempted downloading again. The 
> only updates shown when I go to the update tab in the App Store are Pages and 
> Numbers, which I downloaded weeks ago. Each time I hit “Update All” it soon 
> says “no updates available” — and yet, moments later, 2 updates are again 
> available. I am at a loss. :( 
> Help! TIA.
> Christine
> 
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On the brink of insanity trying to update OS 10.12.2

[Christine Grassman]

In a nutshell: My automatic update did not work, though I received a 
notification and authorized the download. I tried rebooting I tried manual 
downloading. I tried clearing my history and attempted downloading again. The 
only updates shown when I go to the update tab in the App Store are Pages and 
Numbers, which I downloaded weeks ago. Each time I hit “Update All” it soon 
says “no updates available” — and yet, moments later, 2 updates are again 
available. I am at a loss. :( 
Help! TIA.
Christine

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Re: Foreign language keyboards

[Jonathan Cohn]

Did you pick Brazil or Portugal as your region? I believe in Sierra you need to 
go to the language area and add a preferred Language and Region.Then you 
can go to keyboard and select the input method. They listed 3 different 
Brazilian keyboard layouts on my system.
 
Best wishes,

Jonathan



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> then keyboards, Under the keyboard tab.
> 
> However, the keyboard does not behave as I would expect a Portuguese keyboard 
> Wood in Brazil. Four instance, to get a acute accent E I would normally press 
> the Left bracket followed by the E. This does not work on the English version 
> of the Portuguese keyboard I installed.
> 
> What use is the foreign language keyboard if it doesn't work as a foreign 
> language keyboard? Or do I have this all wrong, and I need to learn how to 
> use a different version of the Portuguese keyboard in the U.S. version of the 
> Mac OS?
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Aliases in icloud mail

[Paul Hopewell]

Hello, 
I am using VoiceOver on the latest El Capitan on my late 2008 iMac. 
I would like to add some Email aliases to my iCloud mail account but cannot 
work out how to do this under VoiceOver. I log into www.icloud.com and select 
change iCloud settings and then change app and then mail. Alas that does not 
offer me an option to add a new alias. I have tried this with both Safari and 
Chrome with no joy. 
A complication is that I have set up 2 factor authentication on my iCloud 
account which results in a 6 digit verification code being sent to my iPhone. I 
then enter this onto my iMac and so think this part of the process is working 
OK. 
Has anyone added an iCloud mail alias using VoiceOver? 
Many thanks….

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Stopping GMAIL archiving

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Hello, 
I am running the latest El Capitan on my late 2008 iMac. I am using GMAIL with 
imap protocol. 

It seems that GMAIL moves every message I have ever sent or received into its 
all mail folder which appears on my iMac as the archive folder. I do not like 
GMAIL retaining all these Emails as it reduces my privacy and so would like to 
stop this behaviour. I have looked at my GMAIL settings and cannot see anything 
I can change to stop GMAIL archiving. Is it possible to stop GMAIL archiving 
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Re: Anyone successfully triple booting?

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Well, I'm a command line kind of gal, so Mac leaves me very, very cold.

Best way to access the command line shell on a Mac? ssh in from a Linux
machine.

Each to their own, I suppose. Nothing wrong with that.

Janina

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System Monitor apps

[E.T.]

   MenuBar Stats and iStat Mini are two that look interesting. Has 
anyone used both?


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Re: itunes help, please!

[E.T.]

   Maybe do command-option-l to see if anything is actually being 
downloaded.


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On 12/17/2016 8:56 AM, Larry Thacker Jr. wrote:

Mine is doing the same thing.  The first thing I did was try to search for an 
explanation, but none of the terms I tried yielded anything useful.  I don’t 
have time to chase the problem any further, so I just closed it down for fear 
it was doing something i really would not like.


On Dec 16, 2016, at 6:41 PM, alia robinson  wrote:

Okay, since the update my itunes is making the sound like it’s downloading 
something every 15 seconds. I have dl apps music from other devices etc all 
unchecked, any ideas? this is driving me crazy. no one sighted sees my itunes 
downloading anything.

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Re: Navigating tezt

[E.T.]

   Yes Quick Nav has gotten me a few times but its easy to know when it 
needs to be turned off.


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On 12/17/2016 4:48 AM, Alex Hall wrote:

That and make sure Quick Nav is off. When it's on, things get confusing,
unless you're careful to only use the rotor.

On Dec 16, 2016, at 21:43, E.T. > wrote:

  And the answer is, interact with text. (smiles)

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  I've been working with text to get a handle on navigating by
character, word, sentence and paragraph. Also using spell check.

  I am having trouble getting consistent results when reading next or
previous word, sentence and paragraph. I have no idea what I did but
somehow this now works as I funble with the VO commands. Any guidance
would be wonderful. Thanks.

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Re: Copying text from a website in Safari

[Andrew Lamanche]

Antonio,

Others will probably also chip in, but I often use a rather laborious method of 
"copying last spoken phrase to clipboard' available in Voiceover by using the 
key combination vo+shift+c, and then pasting it into a blank document in 
TextEdit.  Depending how much text you copy, you may have to commnad+tab 
between your open document and Safari to copy another chunk of the document.  
I've never been successful in using shift plus arrow keys method in Safari.

andrew
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> I am trying to select and copy the text of a proposed nonprofit contract from 
> the website using Safari.
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> Here's the link:
> 
> http://www.blueavocado.org/content/board-member-contract
> 
> I'm using the shift and arrow keys with quick nav off, or similar commands 
> with quick nav on and focus on navigation, or command a to select all, Then 
> command C  to copy text, then paste it into a text edit file.
> 
> None of these methods allows me to copy text to the clipboard.
> 
> Am I doing something wrong, or does Safari need to catch up to basic text 
> editing functions with VoiceOver on?
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> More important, what workarounds can I use in this case?
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Re: VoiceOver losing speech on Macbook

[Andrew Lamanche]

I'm afraid that was my experience too on my late 2010 macbook air.  I had to 
give up using Alex for this not to happen.  What age is your computer?  I've 
reported it to accessibility at apple.  You may wish to report it too.
> On 17 Dec 2016, at 12:33, Chris G  wrote:
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> that has the DVD drive on the right side.
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> I have the latest mac os installed on it.
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> From time to time using Alex the speech will just die.  I can still move 
> around the screen and hear the VO sound effects.  If I toggle VO with command 
> F5 it doesn't come back.  I must press and hold power to get the computer up 
> and running again.
> 
> Does anyone have any suggestions, maybe if I were to use another voice other 
> than Alex?
> 
> ChrisI could be in the middle of navigating around and poof, no speech. It is 
> random.
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Re: itunes help, please!

[Larry Thacker Jr.]

Mine is doing the same thing.  The first thing I did was try to search for an 
explanation, but none of the terms I tried yielded anything useful.  I don’t 
have time to chase the problem any further, so I just closed it down for fear 
it was doing something i really would not like.

> On Dec 16, 2016, at 6:41 PM, alia robinson  wrote:
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> Okay, since the update my itunes is making the sound like it’s downloading 
> something every 15 seconds. I have dl apps music from other devices etc all 
> unchecked, any ideas? this is driving me crazy. no one sighted sees my itunes 
> downloading anything.
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Re: Anyone successfully triple booting?

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

Hi, i have to admit, i , gave linux up a lng time ago, moved to
mac and have not ever looked back.


On 12/17/16, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries
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> Hi, All:
>
> I'm mulling a rebuild of the various OS on my 2013 vintage Airbook. I
> have VMware, and I've used it more or less successfully. But, there are
> times on the road where I don't need to switch among the various
> installed OS. These are times were direct access into one OS will be
> sufficient.
>
> So, it's clear that Bootcamp is there to dual boot OSX and Windows. But,
> what about a third booting option? Say I want a third choice, say Arch
> Linux.
>
> I find a howto on the net for setting this up:
> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/MacBook
>
> But, before I dive in to try and get it going, I wanted to ask for the
> experience and wisdom of any here who may have successfully created a
> triple boot configuration.
>
> Thanks in advance for any guidance.
>
> Janina
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Foreign language keyboards

[Antonio Guimaraes]

I have added the Portuguese layout for the keyboard in system preferences then 
keyboards, Under the keyboard tab.

However, the keyboard does not behave as I would expect a Portuguese keyboard 
Wood in Brazil. Four instance, to get a acute accent E I would normally press 
the Left bracket followed by the E. This does not work on the English version 
of the Portuguese keyboard I installed.

What use is the foreign language keyboard if it doesn't work as a foreign 
language keyboard? Or do I have this all wrong, and I need to learn how to use 
a different version of the Portuguese keyboard in the U.S. version of the Mac 
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Re: Navigating tezt

[Alex Hall]

That and make sure Quick Nav is off. When it's on, things get confusing, unless 
you're careful to only use the rotor.
> On Dec 16, 2016, at 21:43, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   And the answer is, interact with text. (smiles)
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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>  my dog thinks I am." --Dawn Ewing
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> On 12/16/2016 3:45 PM, E.T. wrote:
>>   I've been working with text to get a handle on navigating by
>> character, word, sentence and paragraph. Also using spell check.
>> 
>>   I am having trouble getting consistent results when reading next or
>> previous word, sentence and paragraph. I have no idea what I did but
>> somehow this now works as I funble with the VO commands. Any guidance
>> would be wonderful. Thanks.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>  "Lord, Help me become the person
>>  my dog thinks I am." --Dawn Ewing
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
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VoiceOver losing speech on Macbook

[Chris G]

Hi,
I have a Macbook pro 13 inch with 16gb ram and a TB SSHD.  This is the 
one that has the DVD drive on the right side.


I have the latest mac os installed on it.

From time to time using Alex the speech will just die.  I can still 
move around the screen and hear the VO sound effects.  If I toggle VO 
with command F5 it doesn't come back.  I must press and hold power to 
get the computer up and running again.


Does anyone have any suggestions, maybe if I were to use another voice 
other than Alex?


ChrisI could be in the middle of navigating around and poof, no speech. 
It is random.



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Anyone successfully triple booting?

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Hi, All:

I'm mulling a rebuild of the various OS on my 2013 vintage Airbook. I
have VMware, and I've used it more or less successfully. But, there are
times on the road where I don't need to switch among the various
installed OS. These are times were direct access into one OS will be
sufficient.

So, it's clear that Bootcamp is there to dual boot OSX and Windows. But,
what about a third booting option? Say I want a third choice, say Arch
Linux.

I find a howto on the net for setting this up:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/MacBook

But, before I dive in to try and get it going, I wanted to ask for the
experience and wisdom of any here who may have successfully created a
triple boot configuration.

Thanks in advance for any guidance.

Janina

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RE: Kinda OT: Samsung invents touchable ink to allow regular laser printers to generate braille

[Simon Fogarty]

Medical departments here are using 3d printing to create prostetics for 
amputies 

 Because it's a truckload cheaper.

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On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Saturday, 17 December 2016 1:52 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Kinda OT: Samsung invents touchable ink to allow regular laser 
printers to generate braille

There’s actually a lot of work going on with lower cost braille.  There’s a sub 
$500 braille display in the works from what I hear as well.

> On Dec 16, 2016, at 5:24 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Maybe, but if you don't happen to have a few thousand dollars lying around or 
> a rehab agency who can provide those dollars, it might provide an option to 
> have access to hard copy braille.  I hear what you're saying and I've seen 
> braille produced that way.  It can be strange to read.  But at least it's 
> another option.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Dec 16, 2016, at 4:07 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
>> 
>> A few thoughts:
>> 90 of the blind people were able to read the braille. This means, the 
>> braille was not as normally perceived.
>> It requires a second heat source to activate the expansion. So, it includes 
>> a heat-reactive component which swells. The swelling occurs in all 
>> directions, not just vertical. So, the braille will most likely feel like 
>> half-dome rounded dots. The printer probably sprays more ink in the center 
>> of each dot to get increased hight, but as the ink powder dries from the 
>> application of the lazer, there will be some spillage. I evaluated some 3d 
>> printed tactile maps, and the 3d printed braille which was on the vertical 
>> surfaces did not work very well because of the slight spillage.
>> I suspect the dots will not be as tall, or as sharp, as blind people are 
>> used to. Therefore, as currently explained, my guess is the device will work 
>> better as a tactile graphics printer rather than as a braille printer.
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 17/12/2016, at 06:17, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks, all.  Glad people found it useful.  If it actually works, it sure 
>>> beats spending a few grand on a braille embosser.  And as for Duxbury, they 
>>> already have the capacity to print simulated braille, so I see no reason 
>>> why this would impact them much.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Dec 16, 2016, at 10:39 AM, E.T.  wrote:
 
 Well now, this is a very intriguing one. I wonder if Duxbury is aware of 
 this.
 
 Very good one, Donna, thanks for sharing it which is certainly not OT.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
 "Lord, Help me become the person
 my dog thinks I am." --Dawn Ewing
 E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 
> On 12/16/2016 5:55 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> A friend sent this to me, and though not specifically Mac related, 
> I thought it would be of interest to many on the list.
> 
> http://www.geek.com/tech/samsungs-touchable-ink-prints-braille-usi
> ng-any-laser-printer-1673209/
> Cheers,
> Donna
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RE: Kinda OT: Samsung invents touchable ink to allow regular laser printers to generate braille

[Simon Fogarty]

 Wasn't that kind of girl!

 

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Sent: Saturday, 17 December 2016 1:49 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Kinda OT: Samsung invents touchable ink to allow regular laser 
printers to generate braille

They tend not to slap if you use large bills.:)

> On Dec 16, 2016, at 4:46 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> I got slapped last time I looked at tactile porn, Mind you she was 
> still waring cloths!
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Saturday, 17 December 2016 5:54 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Kinda OT: Samsung invents touchable ink to allow regular 
> laser printers to generate braille
> 
> You would go there, Scott! lol
>> On Dec 16, 2016, at 10:41 AM, Scott Granados  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Wow, think of the porn possibilities.;)
>> 
>>> On Dec 16, 2016, at 11:39 AM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well now, this is a very intriguing one. I wonder if Duxbury is aware of 
>>> this.
>>> 
>>> Very good one, Donna, thanks for sharing it which is certainly not OT.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> "Lord, Help me become the person
>>> my dog thinks I am." --Dawn Ewing
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 12/16/2016 5:55 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 A friend sent this to me, and though not specifically Mac related, 
 I thought it would be of interest to many on the list.
 
 http://www.geek.com/tech/samsungs-touchable-ink-prints-braille-usin
 g
 -any-laser-printer-1673209/
 Cheers,
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RE: Office 365?

[Simon Fogarty]

Yes Office 365 is just a product name,

Office 2016 is available for the mac os and works well and I believe voiceover 
is now able to read the content of the documents and emails within outlook.

Outlook is the email client in office 2016 or office 365  and it’s a case of 
setting it up to work with your provider and account details

Hope this helps.


From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: Saturday, 17 December 2016 1:43 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Office 365?


David and his pack of dogs. Sent from his IPhone
can office 365 be set up MacBook Pro if not how do I send and receive email 
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