Re: Question about the Sonos products

[Scott Granados]

I’m surprised, 2.4 ghz is so crowded.  It seems like they should support that. 
Good to know you need a bridge if you want to support this band.  Like you I’m 
setup for more 5 ghz than 2.4 these days.

> On Dec 7, 2016, at 8:42 PM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> No, sonos doesn't support 5.0 ghz,
> My home network is only running 5ghz  at my choice as I've switched the 2.4 
> ghz off so I get less problems from other devices in similar range.
> 
>  For the sonos devices I have I got the bridge so they can run off that and 
> not need to worry about a wifi issue.
> As they don't do 5ghz wifi band.
> 
> This could have changed but hey it's working for me.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Thursday, 8 December 2016 2:49 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Question about the Sonos products
> 
> Simon, the Sonos doesn’t support 5.0 GHZ natively, you need an add on?
> 
>> On Dec 7, 2016, at 4:27 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Chris,
>> 
>> No A bridge isn't needed however I use one and for the simple reason I 
>> mainly use the 5.0 GHz wifi frequency and in that case the bridge is 
>> required.
>> 
>> And it also allows me to keep the sonos sepperate from my main network 
>> through the routing I have setup.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark 
>> Gilland
>> Sent: Wednesday, 7 December 2016 9:18 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Question about the Sonos products
>> 
>> You don't need a bridge to connect up a Sonos system. I, for one don't use a 
>> bridge, and it works fantastically.
>> 
>> On another note, did anyone get the V7 yet of the Sonos controller and try 
>> accessibility with it on the Mac? I'll be doing so shortly to see if it's 
>> any better.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Krister Ekstrom" <kris...@kristersplace.com>
>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 1:10 PM
>> Subject: Re: Question about the Sonos products
>> 
>> 
>> My Sonos is connected to wifi through a wireless router and a Sonos 
>> Bridge, although i don’t know if the bridge plays a part in connecting or 
>> not.
>> The app is surprisingly accessible both on iOs and Android but the 
>> experience on the mac isn’t so nice.
>> Hope this helps.
>> /Krister
>> 
>>> 6 dec. 2016 kl. 18:31 skrev Andrew Lamanche <ioani...@me.com>:
>>> 
>>> Hi krister,
>>> 
>>> How does your Sonos unit connect to your network? And do you find 
>>> the Sonos app accessible?  Feel free to write off list since I'm 
>>> probably straying into an off-list topic.
>>> 
>>> Many thanks for responding
>>> 
>>> Andrew
>>>> On 6 Dec 2016, at 14:14, Krister Ekstrom <kris...@kristersplace.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> I have a Sonos Connect amp sitting here. I also have a pair of 
>>>> regular hifi speakers connected to them and it sounds quite good, i’d say.
>>>> /Krister
>>>> 
>>>>> 6 dec. 2016 kl. 14:04 skrev Andrew Lamanche <ioani...@me.com>:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I've been following some of the discussions on Sonos because for 
>>>>> quite a while I've been wanting to go that way for my listening.  I 
>>>>> wonder whether anybody on the list has Sonos connect:AMP.  In its 
>>>>> description it says that one could connect old speakers to it and 
>>>>> use Sonos wifi capabilities to airplay music to it.  I happen to 
>>>>> have a pair of good speakers  which are very old but I'm unwilling 
>>>>> to get rid of them because of the quality of sound they used to 
>>>>> give me.  So I'm thinking I might be able to save them by getting 
>>>>> Sonos Connect:AMP.  Also, Sonos connect:AMP can be connected to the 
>>>>> home network via ethernet.  Could I plug it into my home network 
>>>>> via the ethernet port on apple tv or apple express? I'd apprecia

RE: Question about the Sonos products

[Simon Fogarty]

No, sonos doesn't support 5.0 ghz,
 My home network is only running 5ghz  at my choice as I've switched the 2.4 
ghz off so I get less problems from other devices in similar range.

  For the sonos devices I have I got the bridge so they can run off that and 
not need to worry about a wifi issue.
As they don't do 5ghz wifi band.

 This could have changed but hey it's working for me.
 

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Thursday, 8 December 2016 2:49 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question about the Sonos products

Simon, the Sonos doesn’t support 5.0 GHZ natively, you need an add on?

> On Dec 7, 2016, at 4:27 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Chris,
> 
> No A bridge isn't needed however I use one and for the simple reason I mainly 
> use the 5.0 GHz wifi frequency and in that case the bridge is required.
> 
> And it also allows me to keep the sonos sepperate from my main network 
> through the routing I have setup.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark 
> Gilland
> Sent: Wednesday, 7 December 2016 9:18 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Question about the Sonos products
> 
> You don't need a bridge to connect up a Sonos system. I, for one don't use a 
> bridge, and it works fantastically.
> 
> On another note, did anyone get the V7 yet of the Sonos controller and try 
> accessibility with it on the Mac? I'll be doing so shortly to see if it's any 
> better.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Krister Ekstrom" <kris...@kristersplace.com>
> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 1:10 PM
> Subject: Re: Question about the Sonos products
> 
> 
> My Sonos is connected to wifi through a wireless router and a Sonos 
> Bridge, although i don’t know if the bridge plays a part in connecting or not.
> The app is surprisingly accessible both on iOs and Android but the 
> experience on the mac isn’t so nice.
> Hope this helps.
> /Krister
> 
>> 6 dec. 2016 kl. 18:31 skrev Andrew Lamanche <ioani...@me.com>:
>> 
>> Hi krister,
>> 
>> How does your Sonos unit connect to your network?  And do you find 
>> the Sonos app accessible?  Feel free to write off list since I'm 
>> probably straying into an off-list topic.
>> 
>> Many thanks for responding
>> 
>> Andrew
>>> On 6 Dec 2016, at 14:14, Krister Ekstrom <kris...@kristersplace.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> I have a Sonos Connect amp sitting here. I also have a pair of 
>>> regular hifi speakers connected to them and it sounds quite good, i’d say.
>>> /Krister
>>> 
>>>> 6 dec. 2016 kl. 14:04 skrev Andrew Lamanche <ioani...@me.com>:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> I've been following some of the discussions on Sonos because for 
>>>> quite a while I've been wanting to go that way for my listening.  I 
>>>> wonder whether anybody on the list has Sonos connect:AMP.  In its 
>>>> description it says that one could connect old speakers to it and 
>>>> use Sonos wifi capabilities to airplay music to it.  I happen to 
>>>> have a pair of good speakers  which are very old but I'm unwilling 
>>>> to get rid of them because of the quality of sound they used to 
>>>> give me.  So I'm thinking I might be able to save them by getting 
>>>> Sonos Connect:AMP.  Also, Sonos connect:AMP can be connected to the 
>>>> home network via ethernet.  Could I plug it into my home network 
>>>> via the ethernet port on apple tv or apple express? I'd appreciate any 
>>>> comments.
>>>> 
>>>> Andrew
>>>>> On 6 Dec 2016, at 04:08, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I want 20 channel IMAX.;)
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Dec 4, 2016, at 3:36 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hell no dude,
>>>>>> Gotta have the 11.2.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott 
>>>>>> Granados
>>>&g

Re: Question about the Sonos products

[Scott Granados]

Simon, the Sonos doesn’t support 5.0 GHZ natively, you need an add on?

> On Dec 7, 2016, at 4:27 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Chris,
> 
> No A bridge isn't needed however I use one and for the simple reason I mainly 
> use the 5.0 GHz wifi frequency and in that case the bridge is required.
> 
> And it also allows me to keep the sonos sepperate from my main network 
> through the routing I have setup.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
> Sent: Wednesday, 7 December 2016 9:18 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Question about the Sonos products
> 
> You don't need a bridge to connect up a Sonos system. I, for one don't use a 
> bridge, and it works fantastically.
> 
> On another note, did anyone get the V7 yet of the Sonos controller and try 
> accessibility with it on the Mac? I'll be doing so shortly to see if it's any 
> better.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Krister Ekstrom" <kris...@kristersplace.com>
> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 1:10 PM
> Subject: Re: Question about the Sonos products
> 
> 
> My Sonos is connected to wifi through a wireless router and a Sonos Bridge, 
> although i don’t know if the bridge plays a part in connecting or not.
> The app is surprisingly accessible both on iOs and Android but the 
> experience on the mac isn’t so nice.
> Hope this helps.
> /Krister
> 
>> 6 dec. 2016 kl. 18:31 skrev Andrew Lamanche <ioani...@me.com>:
>> 
>> Hi krister,
>> 
>> How does your Sonos unit connect to your network?  And do you find the 
>> Sonos app accessible?  Feel free to write off list since I'm probably 
>> straying into an off-list topic.
>> 
>> Many thanks for responding
>> 
>> Andrew
>>> On 6 Dec 2016, at 14:14, Krister Ekstrom <kris...@kristersplace.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> I have a Sonos Connect amp sitting here. I also have a pair of regular 
>>> hifi speakers connected to them and it sounds quite good, i’d say.
>>> /Krister
>>> 
>>>> 6 dec. 2016 kl. 14:04 skrev Andrew Lamanche <ioani...@me.com>:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> I've been following some of the discussions on Sonos because for quite a 
>>>> while I've been wanting to go that way for my listening.  I wonder 
>>>> whether anybody on the list has Sonos connect:AMP.  In its description 
>>>> it says that one could connect old speakers to it and use Sonos wifi 
>>>> capabilities to airplay music to it.  I happen to have a pair of good 
>>>> speakers  which are very old but I'm unwilling to get rid of them 
>>>> because of the quality of sound they used to give me.  So I'm thinking I 
>>>> might be able to save them by getting Sonos Connect:AMP.  Also, Sonos 
>>>> connect:AMP can be connected to the home network via ethernet.  Could I 
>>>> plug it into my home network via the ethernet port on apple tv or apple 
>>>> express? I'd appreciate any comments.
>>>> 
>>>> Andrew
>>>>> On 6 Dec 2016, at 04:08, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I want 20 channel IMAX.;)
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Dec 4, 2016, at 3:36 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hell no dude,
>>>>>> Gotta have the 11.2.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, 3 December 2016 6:36 PM
>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Question about the Sonos products
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Simon,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> That’s correct, the receiver only is $3000, you have to buy up to 11 
>>>>>> more speakers and 2 subs to get the fullest as well as an additional 2 
>>>>>> channel amplifier.  You get 9 amplifiers built in to the receiver and 
>>>>>> an extra 2 channels out which you attach to a second amplifier. 
>>>>>> Certainly, 9.2 would

Re: Question about the Sonos products

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

OK, fair enough.

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Simon Fogarty" <si...@blinky-net.com>

To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 4:27 AM
Subject: RE: Question about the Sonos products


Hi Chris,

No A bridge isn't needed however I use one and for the simple reason I 
mainly use the 5.0 GHz wifi frequency and in that case the bridge is 
required.


And it also allows me to keep the sonos sepperate from my main network 
through the routing I have setup.


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark 
Gilland

Sent: Wednesday, 7 December 2016 9:18 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question about the Sonos products

You don't need a bridge to connect up a Sonos system. I, for one don't use a 
bridge, and it works fantastically.


On another note, did anyone get the V7 yet of the Sonos controller and try 
accessibility with it on the Mac? I'll be doing so shortly to see if it's 
any better.


Chris.

- Original Message -
From: "Krister Ekstrom" <kris...@kristersplace.com>
To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 1:10 PM
Subject: Re: Question about the Sonos products


My Sonos is connected to wifi through a wireless router and a Sonos Bridge,
although i don’t know if the bridge plays a part in connecting or not.
The app is surprisingly accessible both on iOs and Android but the
experience on the mac isn’t so nice.
Hope this helps.
/Krister


6 dec. 2016 kl. 18:31 skrev Andrew Lamanche <ioani...@me.com>:

Hi krister,

How does your Sonos unit connect to your network?  And do you find the
Sonos app accessible?  Feel free to write off list since I'm probably
straying into an off-list topic.

Many thanks for responding

Andrew

On 6 Dec 2016, at 14:14, Krister Ekstrom <kris...@kristersplace.com>
wrote:

Hi,
I have a Sonos Connect amp sitting here. I also have a pair of regular
hifi speakers connected to them and it sounds quite good, i’d say.
/Krister


6 dec. 2016 kl. 14:04 skrev Andrew Lamanche <ioani...@me.com>:

Hi,

I've been following some of the discussions on Sonos because for quite a
while I've been wanting to go that way for my listening.  I wonder
whether anybody on the list has Sonos connect:AMP.  In its description
it says that one could connect old speakers to it and use Sonos wifi
capabilities to airplay music to it.  I happen to have a pair of good
speakers  which are very old but I'm unwilling to get rid of them
because of the quality of sound they used to give me.  So I'm thinking I
might be able to save them by getting Sonos Connect:AMP.  Also, Sonos
connect:AMP can be connected to the home network via ethernet.  Could I
plug it into my home network via the ethernet port on apple tv or apple
express? I'd appreciate any comments.

Andrew

On 6 Dec 2016, at 04:08, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com>
wrote:

I want 20 channel IMAX.;)


On Dec 4, 2016, at 3:36 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com>
wrote:

Hell no dude,
Gotta have the 11.2.



-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Saturday, 3 December 2016 6:36 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question about the Sonos products

Hi Simon,

That’s correct, the receiver only is $3000, you have to buy up to 11
more speakers and 2 subs to get the fullest as well as an additional 2
channel amplifier.  You get 9 amplifiers built in to the receiver and
an extra 2 channels out which you attach to a second amplifier.
Certainly, 9.2 would be sufficient.



On Dec 2, 2016, at 2:19 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com>
wrote:

Hi Scott,

I'm guessing that's not with speakers the 3K?

That sounds bloody amazing shame I don't own this house, I'd knock
the living room down and build my rooms around the stereo.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Friday, 2 December 2016 1:24 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question about the Sonos products

For a goof today I went and looked at a ultra high end receiver.  I
mention it here on the Mac list because it was very configurable via
safari which I actually tried and loved.  You can set up all sorts of
32 bit audio processing, automatic room equalization, but the kicker,
Dolby Atmos and it’s own proprietary 3d emersion algorithm along with
DTS Neo and several other objected oriented DTS formats.  Whoa!  I
listened to an 11 channel setup, believe it or not, 11.2 where you
had
11 channels and 2 subwoofers.  Again, whoa!  Several sets of speakers
were set in the front for an expanded sound stage in front of you,
sides, back, and yes over head with 2 subwoofers that automatically
adjust so the base is d

RE: Question about the Sonos products

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Chris,

 No A bridge isn't needed however I use one and for the simple reason I mainly 
use the 5.0 GHz wifi frequency and in that case the bridge is required.

 And it also allows me to keep the sonos sepperate from my main network through 
the routing I have setup.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Wednesday, 7 December 2016 9:18 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question about the Sonos products

You don't need a bridge to connect up a Sonos system. I, for one don't use a 
bridge, and it works fantastically.

On another note, did anyone get the V7 yet of the Sonos controller and try 
accessibility with it on the Mac? I'll be doing so shortly to see if it's any 
better.

Chris.

- Original Message -
From: "Krister Ekstrom" <kris...@kristersplace.com>
To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 1:10 PM
Subject: Re: Question about the Sonos products


My Sonos is connected to wifi through a wireless router and a Sonos Bridge, 
although i don’t know if the bridge plays a part in connecting or not.
The app is surprisingly accessible both on iOs and Android but the 
experience on the mac isn’t so nice.
Hope this helps.
/Krister

> 6 dec. 2016 kl. 18:31 skrev Andrew Lamanche <ioani...@me.com>:
>
> Hi krister,
>
> How does your Sonos unit connect to your network?  And do you find the 
> Sonos app accessible?  Feel free to write off list since I'm probably 
> straying into an off-list topic.
>
> Many thanks for responding
>
> Andrew
>> On 6 Dec 2016, at 14:14, Krister Ekstrom <kris...@kristersplace.com> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>> I have a Sonos Connect amp sitting here. I also have a pair of regular 
>> hifi speakers connected to them and it sounds quite good, i’d say.
>> /Krister
>>
>>> 6 dec. 2016 kl. 14:04 skrev Andrew Lamanche <ioani...@me.com>:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I've been following some of the discussions on Sonos because for quite a 
>>> while I've been wanting to go that way for my listening.  I wonder 
>>> whether anybody on the list has Sonos connect:AMP.  In its description 
>>> it says that one could connect old speakers to it and use Sonos wifi 
>>> capabilities to airplay music to it.  I happen to have a pair of good 
>>> speakers  which are very old but I'm unwilling to get rid of them 
>>> because of the quality of sound they used to give me.  So I'm thinking I 
>>> might be able to save them by getting Sonos Connect:AMP.  Also, Sonos 
>>> connect:AMP can be connected to the home network via ethernet.  Could I 
>>> plug it into my home network via the ethernet port on apple tv or apple 
>>> express? I'd appreciate any comments.
>>>
>>> Andrew
>>>> On 6 Dec 2016, at 04:08, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I want 20 channel IMAX.;)
>>>>
>>>>> On Dec 4, 2016, at 3:36 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hell no dude,
>>>>> Gotta have the 11.2.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, 3 December 2016 6:36 PM
>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: Question about the Sonos products
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Simon,
>>>>>
>>>>> That’s correct, the receiver only is $3000, you have to buy up to 11 
>>>>> more speakers and 2 subs to get the fullest as well as an additional 2 
>>>>> channel amplifier.  You get 9 amplifiers built in to the receiver and 
>>>>> an extra 2 channels out which you attach to a second amplifier. 
>>>>> Certainly, 9.2 would be sufficient.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Dec 2, 2016, at 2:19 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Scott,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm guessing that's not with speakers the 3K?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That sounds bloody amazing shame I don't own this house, I'd knock 
>>>>>> the living room down and build my rooms around the stereo.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Original Message

RE: Question about the Sonos products

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Andrew,

 Yes as you said you can use the connect devices to use older style speakers.

 As for the connectivity and workings of the connect amp etc I've not read up 
on  it but I've heard of it being used and that was the results were fantastic,

 However I'd give sonos a yell and ask them what you need to know.

 Also just a side note on this,

 Sonos sent out an email to customers today to say that they're now supporting 
7.1 surround with a new software update.

 So just an addition to their systems.
Now handling 7.1 audio 

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Andrew Lamanche
Sent: Wednesday, 7 December 2016 2:04 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question about the Sonos products

Hi,

I've been following some of the discussions on Sonos because for quite a while 
I've been wanting to go that way for my listening.  I wonder whether anybody on 
the list has Sonos connect:AMP.  In its description it says that one could 
connect old speakers to it and use Sonos wifi capabilities to airplay music to 
it.  I happen to have a pair of good speakers  which are very old but I'm 
unwilling to get rid of them because of the quality of sound they used to give 
me.  So I'm thinking I might be able to save them by getting Sonos Connect:AMP. 
 Also, Sonos connect:AMP can be connected to the home network via ethernet.  
Could I plug it into my home network via the ethernet port on apple tv or apple 
express? I'd appreciate any comments.

Andrew
> On 6 Dec 2016, at 04:08, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I want 20 channel IMAX.;)
> 
>> On Dec 4, 2016, at 3:36 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hell no dude,
>> Gotta have the 11.2.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>> Sent: Saturday, 3 December 2016 6:36 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Question about the Sonos products
>> 
>> Hi Simon,
>> 
>> That’s correct, the receiver only is $3000, you have to buy up to 11 more 
>> speakers and 2 subs to get the fullest as well as an additional 2 channel 
>> amplifier.  You get 9 amplifiers built in to the receiver and an extra 2 
>> channels out which you attach to a second amplifier.  Certainly, 9.2 would 
>> be sufficient.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 2, 2016, at 2:19 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Scott,
>>> 
>>> I'm guessing that's not with speakers the 3K?
>>> 
>>> That sounds bloody amazing shame I don't own this house, I'd knock the 
>>> living room down and build my rooms around the stereo.
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>>> Sent: Friday, 2 December 2016 1:24 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Question about the Sonos products
>>> 
>>> For a goof today I went and looked at a ultra high end receiver.  I 
>>> mention it here on the Mac list because it was very configurable via 
>>> safari which I actually tried and loved.  You can set up all sorts 
>>> of
>>> 32 bit audio processing, automatic room equalization, but the 
>>> kicker, Dolby Atmos and it’s own proprietary 3d emersion algorithm 
>>> along with DTS Neo and several other objected oriented DTS formats.  
>>> Whoa!  I listened to an 11 channel setup, believe it or not, 11.2 
>>> where you had
>>> 11 channels and 2 subwoofers.  Again, whoa!  Several sets of 
>>> speakers were set in the front for an expanded sound stage in front 
>>> of you, sides, back, and yes over head with 2 subwoofers that 
>>> automatically adjust so the base is distributed evenly around the 
>>> room rather than from a single point.  On the video side it upscaled 
>>> everything to 4K
>>> 60 FPS complete with HDR video or you could genitive pass through if 
>>> you wanted.  You could also break up the 11 channels and have 
>>> different speakers for different zones so say 7.1 in the mail room 
>>> and
>>> 5.1 in the other or 5.1 and several sets of 2 etc.  The thing that 
>>> blew me away though was the automatic calibration and setup.  What 
>>> would have taken an audio degree in my day to configure used 8 
>>> microphone pickups that you scatter around the room and it uses pink 
>>> noise and other pulses to set itself u

Re: Question about the Sonos products

[Krister Ekstrom]

To be frank, i don’t think there’s any difference. I’d be glad if it was but i 
no longer hold my breath.
/Krister

> 6 dec. 2016 kl. 21:17 skrev Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com>:
> 
> You don't need a bridge to connect up a Sonos system. I, for one don't use a 
> bridge, and it works fantastically.
> 
> On another note, did anyone get the V7 yet of the Sonos controller and try 
> accessibility with it on the Mac? I'll be doing so shortly to see if it's any 
> better.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Krister Ekstrom" 
> <kris...@kristersplace.com>
> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 1:10 PM
> Subject: Re: Question about the Sonos products
> 
> 
> My Sonos is connected to wifi through a wireless router and a Sonos Bridge, 
> although i don’t know if the bridge plays a part in connecting or not.
> The app is surprisingly accessible both on iOs and Android but the experience 
> on the mac isn’t so nice.
> Hope this helps.
> /Krister
> 
>> 6 dec. 2016 kl. 18:31 skrev Andrew Lamanche <ioani...@me.com>:
>> 
>> Hi krister,
>> 
>> How does your Sonos unit connect to your network?  And do you find the Sonos 
>> app accessible?  Feel free to write off list since I'm probably straying 
>> into an off-list topic.
>> 
>> Many thanks for responding
>> 
>> Andrew
>>> On 6 Dec 2016, at 14:14, Krister Ekstrom <kris...@kristersplace.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> I have a Sonos Connect amp sitting here. I also have a pair of regular hifi 
>>> speakers connected to them and it sounds quite good, i’d say.
>>> /Krister
>>> 
>>>> 6 dec. 2016 kl. 14:04 skrev Andrew Lamanche <ioani...@me.com>:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> I've been following some of the discussions on Sonos because for quite a 
>>>> while I've been wanting to go that way for my listening.  I wonder whether 
>>>> anybody on the list has Sonos connect:AMP.  In its description it says 
>>>> that one could connect old speakers to it and use Sonos wifi capabilities 
>>>> to airplay music to it.  I happen to have a pair of good speakers  which 
>>>> are very old but I'm unwilling to get rid of them because of the quality 
>>>> of sound they used to give me.  So I'm thinking I might be able to save 
>>>> them by getting Sonos Connect:AMP.  Also, Sonos connect:AMP can be 
>>>> connected to the home network via ethernet.  Could I plug it into my home 
>>>> network via the ethernet port on apple tv or apple express? I'd appreciate 
>>>> any comments.
>>>> 
>>>> Andrew
>>>>> On 6 Dec 2016, at 04:08, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I want 20 channel IMAX.;)
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Dec 4, 2016, at 3:36 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hell no dude,
>>>>>> Gotta have the 11.2.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, 3 December 2016 6:36 PM
>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Question about the Sonos products
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Simon,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> That’s correct, the receiver only is $3000, you have to buy up to 11 
>>>>>> more speakers and 2 subs to get the fullest as well as an additional 2 
>>>>>> channel amplifier.  You get 9 amplifiers built in to the receiver and an 
>>>>>> extra 2 channels out which you attach to a second amplifier. Certainly, 
>>>>>> 9.2 would be sufficient.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Dec 2, 2016, at 2:19 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi Scott,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I'm guessing that's not with speakers the 3K?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> That sounds bloody amazing shame I don't own this house, I'd knock the 
>>>>>>> living room down and build my rooms around the stereo.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>

Re: Question about the Sonos products

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

You don't need a bridge to connect up a Sonos system. I, for one don't use a 
bridge, and it works fantastically.


On another note, did anyone get the V7 yet of the Sonos controller and try 
accessibility with it on the Mac? I'll be doing so shortly to see if it's 
any better.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Krister Ekstrom" <kris...@kristersplace.com>

To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 1:10 PM
Subject: Re: Question about the Sonos products


My Sonos is connected to wifi through a wireless router and a Sonos Bridge, 
although i don’t know if the bridge plays a part in connecting or not.
The app is surprisingly accessible both on iOs and Android but the 
experience on the mac isn’t so nice.

Hope this helps.
/Krister


6 dec. 2016 kl. 18:31 skrev Andrew Lamanche <ioani...@me.com>:

Hi krister,

How does your Sonos unit connect to your network?  And do you find the 
Sonos app accessible?  Feel free to write off list since I'm probably 
straying into an off-list topic.


Many thanks for responding

Andrew
On 6 Dec 2016, at 14:14, Krister Ekstrom <kris...@kristersplace.com> 
wrote:


Hi,
I have a Sonos Connect amp sitting here. I also have a pair of regular 
hifi speakers connected to them and it sounds quite good, i’d say.

/Krister


6 dec. 2016 kl. 14:04 skrev Andrew Lamanche <ioani...@me.com>:

Hi,

I've been following some of the discussions on Sonos because for quite a 
while I've been wanting to go that way for my listening.  I wonder 
whether anybody on the list has Sonos connect:AMP.  In its description 
it says that one could connect old speakers to it and use Sonos wifi 
capabilities to airplay music to it.  I happen to have a pair of good 
speakers  which are very old but I'm unwilling to get rid of them 
because of the quality of sound they used to give me.  So I'm thinking I 
might be able to save them by getting Sonos Connect:AMP.  Also, Sonos 
connect:AMP can be connected to the home network via ethernet.  Could I 
plug it into my home network via the ethernet port on apple tv or apple 
express? I'd appreciate any comments.


Andrew
On 6 Dec 2016, at 04:08, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> 
wrote:


I want 20 channel IMAX.;)

On Dec 4, 2016, at 3:36 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> 
wrote:


Hell no dude,
Gotta have the 11.2.



-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados

Sent: Saturday, 3 December 2016 6:36 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question about the Sonos products

Hi Simon,

That’s correct, the receiver only is $3000, you have to buy up to 11 
more speakers and 2 subs to get the fullest as well as an additional 2 
channel amplifier.  You get 9 amplifiers built in to the receiver and 
an extra 2 channels out which you attach to a second amplifier. 
Certainly, 9.2 would be sufficient.



On Dec 2, 2016, at 2:19 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> 
wrote:


Hi Scott,

I'm guessing that's not with speakers the 3K?

That sounds bloody amazing shame I don't own this house, I'd knock 
the living room down and build my rooms around the stereo.


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Friday, 2 December 2016 1:24 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question about the Sonos products

For a goof today I went and looked at a ultra high end receiver.  I
mention it here on the Mac list because it was very configurable via
safari which I actually tried and loved.  You can set up all sorts of
32 bit audio processing, automatic room equalization, but the kicker,
Dolby Atmos and it’s own proprietary 3d emersion algorithm along with
DTS Neo and several other objected oriented DTS formats.  Whoa!  I
listened to an 11 channel setup, believe it or not, 11.2 where you 
had

11 channels and 2 subwoofers.  Again, whoa!  Several sets of speakers
were set in the front for an expanded sound stage in front of you,
sides, back, and yes over head with 2 subwoofers that automatically
adjust so the base is distributed evenly around the room rather than
from a single point.  On the video side it upscaled everything to 4K
60 FPS complete with HDR video or you could genitive pass through if
you wanted.  You could also break up the 11 channels and have
different speakers for different zones so say 7.1 in the mail room 
and

5.1 in the other or 5.1 and several sets of 2 etc.  The thing that
blew me away though was the automatic calibration and setup.  What
would have taken an audio degree in my day to configure used 8
microphone pickups that you scatter around the room and it uses pink
noise and other pulses to set itself up.  Also included WiFi so you
can grab your XM or other streamed content, it automatically software
updated and you could buy extra CODECS and

Re: Question about the Sonos products

[Krister Ekstrom]

My Sonos is connected to wifi through a wireless router and a Sonos Bridge, 
although i don’t know if the bridge plays a part in connecting or not.
The app is surprisingly accessible both on iOs and Android but the experience 
on the mac isn’t so nice.
Hope this helps.
/Krister

> 6 dec. 2016 kl. 18:31 skrev Andrew Lamanche <ioani...@me.com>:
> 
> Hi krister,
> 
> How does your Sonos unit connect to your network?  And do you find the Sonos 
> app accessible?  Feel free to write off list since I'm probably straying into 
> an off-list topic.
> 
> Many thanks for responding
> 
> Andrew
>> On 6 Dec 2016, at 14:14, Krister Ekstrom <kris...@kristersplace.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> I have a Sonos Connect amp sitting here. I also have a pair of regular hifi 
>> speakers connected to them and it sounds quite good, i’d say.
>> /Krister
>> 
>>> 6 dec. 2016 kl. 14:04 skrev Andrew Lamanche <ioani...@me.com>:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I've been following some of the discussions on Sonos because for quite a 
>>> while I've been wanting to go that way for my listening.  I wonder whether 
>>> anybody on the list has Sonos connect:AMP.  In its description it says that 
>>> one could connect old speakers to it and use Sonos wifi capabilities to 
>>> airplay music to it.  I happen to have a pair of good speakers  which are 
>>> very old but I'm unwilling to get rid of them because of the quality of 
>>> sound they used to give me.  So I'm thinking I might be able to save them 
>>> by getting Sonos Connect:AMP.  Also, Sonos connect:AMP can be connected to 
>>> the home network via ethernet.  Could I plug it into my home network via 
>>> the ethernet port on apple tv or apple express? I'd appreciate any comments.
>>> 
>>> Andrew
>>>> On 6 Dec 2016, at 04:08, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I want 20 channel IMAX.;)
>>>> 
>>>>> On Dec 4, 2016, at 3:36 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hell no dude,
>>>>> Gotta have the 11.2.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, 3 December 2016 6:36 PM
>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: Question about the Sonos products
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Simon,
>>>>> 
>>>>> That’s correct, the receiver only is $3000, you have to buy up to 11 more 
>>>>> speakers and 2 subs to get the fullest as well as an additional 2 channel 
>>>>> amplifier.  You get 9 amplifiers built in to the receiver and an extra 2 
>>>>> channels out which you attach to a second amplifier.  Certainly, 9.2 
>>>>> would be sufficient.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Dec 2, 2016, at 2:19 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Scott,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'm guessing that's not with speakers the 3K?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> That sounds bloody amazing shame I don't own this house, I'd knock the 
>>>>>> living room down and build my rooms around the stereo.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, 2 December 2016 1:24 PM
>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Question about the Sonos products
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> For a goof today I went and looked at a ultra high end receiver.  I 
>>>>>> mention it here on the Mac list because it was very configurable via 
>>>>>> safari which I actually tried and loved.  You can set up all sorts of 
>>>>>> 32 bit audio processing, automatic room equalization, but the kicker, 
>>>>>> Dolby Atmos and it’s own proprietary 3d emersion algorithm along with 
>>>>>> DTS Neo and several other objected oriented DTS formats.  Whoa!  I 
>>>>>> listened to an 11 channel setup, believe it or not, 11.2 where you had 
>>>>>> 11 channels and 2 subwoofers.  Again, whoa!  S

Re: Question about the Sonos products

[Andrew Lamanche]

Hi krister,

How does your Sonos unit connect to your network?  And do you find the Sonos 
app accessible?  Feel free to write off list since I'm probably straying into 
an off-list topic.

Many thanks for responding

Andrew
> On 6 Dec 2016, at 14:14, Krister Ekstrom <kris...@kristersplace.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I have a Sonos Connect amp sitting here. I also have a pair of regular hifi 
> speakers connected to them and it sounds quite good, i’d say.
> /Krister
> 
>> 6 dec. 2016 kl. 14:04 skrev Andrew Lamanche <ioani...@me.com>:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I've been following some of the discussions on Sonos because for quite a 
>> while I've been wanting to go that way for my listening.  I wonder whether 
>> anybody on the list has Sonos connect:AMP.  In its description it says that 
>> one could connect old speakers to it and use Sonos wifi capabilities to 
>> airplay music to it.  I happen to have a pair of good speakers  which are 
>> very old but I'm unwilling to get rid of them because of the quality of 
>> sound they used to give me.  So I'm thinking I might be able to save them by 
>> getting Sonos Connect:AMP.  Also, Sonos connect:AMP can be connected to the 
>> home network via ethernet.  Could I plug it into my home network via the 
>> ethernet port on apple tv or apple express? I'd appreciate any comments.
>> 
>> Andrew
>>> On 6 Dec 2016, at 04:08, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I want 20 channel IMAX.;)
>>> 
>>>> On Dec 4, 2016, at 3:36 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hell no dude,
>>>> Gotta have the 11.2.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>>>> Sent: Saturday, 3 December 2016 6:36 PM
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: Question about the Sonos products
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Simon,
>>>> 
>>>> That’s correct, the receiver only is $3000, you have to buy up to 11 more 
>>>> speakers and 2 subs to get the fullest as well as an additional 2 channel 
>>>> amplifier.  You get 9 amplifiers built in to the receiver and an extra 2 
>>>> channels out which you attach to a second amplifier.  Certainly, 9.2 would 
>>>> be sufficient.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Dec 2, 2016, at 2:19 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Scott,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm guessing that's not with speakers the 3K?
>>>>> 
>>>>> That sounds bloody amazing shame I don't own this house, I'd knock the 
>>>>> living room down and build my rooms around the stereo.
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>>>>> Sent: Friday, 2 December 2016 1:24 PM
>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: Question about the Sonos products
>>>>> 
>>>>> For a goof today I went and looked at a ultra high end receiver.  I 
>>>>> mention it here on the Mac list because it was very configurable via 
>>>>> safari which I actually tried and loved.  You can set up all sorts of 
>>>>> 32 bit audio processing, automatic room equalization, but the kicker, 
>>>>> Dolby Atmos and it’s own proprietary 3d emersion algorithm along with 
>>>>> DTS Neo and several other objected oriented DTS formats.  Whoa!  I 
>>>>> listened to an 11 channel setup, believe it or not, 11.2 where you had 
>>>>> 11 channels and 2 subwoofers.  Again, whoa!  Several sets of speakers 
>>>>> were set in the front for an expanded sound stage in front of you, 
>>>>> sides, back, and yes over head with 2 subwoofers that automatically 
>>>>> adjust so the base is distributed evenly around the room rather than 
>>>>> from a single point.  On the video side it upscaled everything to 4K 
>>>>> 60 FPS complete with HDR video or you could genitive pass through if 
>>>>> you wanted.  You could also break up the 11 channels and have 
>>>>> different speakers for different zones so say 7.1 in the mail room and 
>>>>> 5.1 in the other 

Re: Question about the Sonos products

[Krister Ekstrom]

Hi,
I have a Sonos Connect amp sitting here. I also have a pair of regular hifi 
speakers connected to them and it sounds quite good, i’d say.
/Krister

> 6 dec. 2016 kl. 14:04 skrev Andrew Lamanche <ioani...@me.com>:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I've been following some of the discussions on Sonos because for quite a 
> while I've been wanting to go that way for my listening.  I wonder whether 
> anybody on the list has Sonos connect:AMP.  In its description it says that 
> one could connect old speakers to it and use Sonos wifi capabilities to 
> airplay music to it.  I happen to have a pair of good speakers  which are 
> very old but I'm unwilling to get rid of them because of the quality of sound 
> they used to give me.  So I'm thinking I might be able to save them by 
> getting Sonos Connect:AMP.  Also, Sonos connect:AMP can be connected to the 
> home network via ethernet.  Could I plug it into my home network via the 
> ethernet port on apple tv or apple express? I'd appreciate any comments.
> 
> Andrew
>> On 6 Dec 2016, at 04:08, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I want 20 channel IMAX.;)
>> 
>>> On Dec 4, 2016, at 3:36 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hell no dude,
>>> Gotta have the 11.2.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>>> Sent: Saturday, 3 December 2016 6:36 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Question about the Sonos products
>>> 
>>> Hi Simon,
>>> 
>>> That’s correct, the receiver only is $3000, you have to buy up to 11 more 
>>> speakers and 2 subs to get the fullest as well as an additional 2 channel 
>>> amplifier.  You get 9 amplifiers built in to the receiver and an extra 2 
>>> channels out which you attach to a second amplifier.  Certainly, 9.2 would 
>>> be sufficient.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Dec 2, 2016, at 2:19 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Scott,
>>>> 
>>>> I'm guessing that's not with speakers the 3K?
>>>> 
>>>> That sounds bloody amazing shame I don't own this house, I'd knock the 
>>>> living room down and build my rooms around the stereo.
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>>>> Sent: Friday, 2 December 2016 1:24 PM
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: Question about the Sonos products
>>>> 
>>>> For a goof today I went and looked at a ultra high end receiver.  I 
>>>> mention it here on the Mac list because it was very configurable via 
>>>> safari which I actually tried and loved.  You can set up all sorts of 
>>>> 32 bit audio processing, automatic room equalization, but the kicker, 
>>>> Dolby Atmos and it’s own proprietary 3d emersion algorithm along with 
>>>> DTS Neo and several other objected oriented DTS formats.  Whoa!  I 
>>>> listened to an 11 channel setup, believe it or not, 11.2 where you had 
>>>> 11 channels and 2 subwoofers.  Again, whoa!  Several sets of speakers 
>>>> were set in the front for an expanded sound stage in front of you, 
>>>> sides, back, and yes over head with 2 subwoofers that automatically 
>>>> adjust so the base is distributed evenly around the room rather than 
>>>> from a single point.  On the video side it upscaled everything to 4K 
>>>> 60 FPS complete with HDR video or you could genitive pass through if 
>>>> you wanted.  You could also break up the 11 channels and have 
>>>> different speakers for different zones so say 7.1 in the mail room and 
>>>> 5.1 in the other or 5.1 and several sets of 2 etc.  The thing that 
>>>> blew me away though was the automatic calibration and setup.  What 
>>>> would have taken an audio degree in my day to configure used 8 
>>>> microphone pickups that you scatter around the room and it uses pink 
>>>> noise and other pulses to set itself up.  Also included WiFi so you 
>>>> can grab your XM or other streamed content, it automatically software 
>>>> updated and you could buy extra CODECS and decoders for different 
>>>> surround standards.  All for $3000 which ain’t bad when you consider 
>>

Re: Question about the Sonos products

[Andrew Lamanche]

Hi,

I've been following some of the discussions on Sonos because for quite a while 
I've been wanting to go that way for my listening.  I wonder whether anybody on 
the list has Sonos connect:AMP.  In its description it says that one could 
connect old speakers to it and use Sonos wifi capabilities to airplay music to 
it.  I happen to have a pair of good speakers  which are very old but I'm 
unwilling to get rid of them because of the quality of sound they used to give 
me.  So I'm thinking I might be able to save them by getting Sonos Connect:AMP. 
 Also, Sonos connect:AMP can be connected to the home network via ethernet.  
Could I plug it into my home network via the ethernet port on apple tv or apple 
express? I'd appreciate any comments.

Andrew
> On 6 Dec 2016, at 04:08, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I want 20 channel IMAX.;)
> 
>> On Dec 4, 2016, at 3:36 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hell no dude,
>> Gotta have the 11.2.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>> Sent: Saturday, 3 December 2016 6:36 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Question about the Sonos products
>> 
>> Hi Simon,
>> 
>> That’s correct, the receiver only is $3000, you have to buy up to 11 more 
>> speakers and 2 subs to get the fullest as well as an additional 2 channel 
>> amplifier.  You get 9 amplifiers built in to the receiver and an extra 2 
>> channels out which you attach to a second amplifier.  Certainly, 9.2 would 
>> be sufficient.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 2, 2016, at 2:19 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Scott,
>>> 
>>> I'm guessing that's not with speakers the 3K?
>>> 
>>> That sounds bloody amazing shame I don't own this house, I'd knock the 
>>> living room down and build my rooms around the stereo.
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>>> Sent: Friday, 2 December 2016 1:24 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Question about the Sonos products
>>> 
>>> For a goof today I went and looked at a ultra high end receiver.  I 
>>> mention it here on the Mac list because it was very configurable via 
>>> safari which I actually tried and loved.  You can set up all sorts of 
>>> 32 bit audio processing, automatic room equalization, but the kicker, 
>>> Dolby Atmos and it’s own proprietary 3d emersion algorithm along with 
>>> DTS Neo and several other objected oriented DTS formats.  Whoa!  I 
>>> listened to an 11 channel setup, believe it or not, 11.2 where you had 
>>> 11 channels and 2 subwoofers.  Again, whoa!  Several sets of speakers 
>>> were set in the front for an expanded sound stage in front of you, 
>>> sides, back, and yes over head with 2 subwoofers that automatically 
>>> adjust so the base is distributed evenly around the room rather than 
>>> from a single point.  On the video side it upscaled everything to 4K 
>>> 60 FPS complete with HDR video or you could genitive pass through if 
>>> you wanted.  You could also break up the 11 channels and have 
>>> different speakers for different zones so say 7.1 in the mail room and 
>>> 5.1 in the other or 5.1 and several sets of 2 etc.  The thing that 
>>> blew me away though was the automatic calibration and setup.  What 
>>> would have taken an audio degree in my day to configure used 8 
>>> microphone pickups that you scatter around the room and it uses pink 
>>> noise and other pulses to set itself up.  Also included WiFi so you 
>>> can grab your XM or other streamed content, it automatically software 
>>> updated and you could buy extra CODECS and decoders for different 
>>> surround standards.  All for $3000 which ain’t bad when you consider 
>>> how many features you get.  There’s also an App for the iPad or iPhone 
>>> to configure, supports bluetooth and includes preamp outs in case the 
>>> 260 watts per channel CLASS AB amps weren’t good enough that are 
>>> included.  You also get the full 260 watts class AB on all channels, 
>>> not just the fronts.  Each channel has 4 32 bit convertors and they 
>>> use 4 32 bit audicy DSP processors for signal manipulation.  (It does 
>>> a hell of a lot of math, something like 10 billion flops)
&g

Re: Question about the Sonos products

[Scott Granados]

I want 20 channel IMAX.;)

> On Dec 4, 2016, at 3:36 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> Hell no dude,
> Gotta have the 11.2.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Saturday, 3 December 2016 6:36 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Question about the Sonos products
> 
> Hi Simon,
> 
> That’s correct, the receiver only is $3000, you have to buy up to 11 more 
> speakers and 2 subs to get the fullest as well as an additional 2 channel 
> amplifier.  You get 9 amplifiers built in to the receiver and an extra 2 
> channels out which you attach to a second amplifier.  Certainly, 9.2 would be 
> sufficient.
> 
> 
>> On Dec 2, 2016, at 2:19 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Scott,
>> 
>> I'm guessing that's not with speakers the 3K?
>> 
>> That sounds bloody amazing shame I don't own this house, I'd knock the 
>> living room down and build my rooms around the stereo.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>> Sent: Friday, 2 December 2016 1:24 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Question about the Sonos products
>> 
>> For a goof today I went and looked at a ultra high end receiver.  I 
>> mention it here on the Mac list because it was very configurable via 
>> safari which I actually tried and loved.  You can set up all sorts of 
>> 32 bit audio processing, automatic room equalization, but the kicker, 
>> Dolby Atmos and it’s own proprietary 3d emersion algorithm along with 
>> DTS Neo and several other objected oriented DTS formats.  Whoa!  I 
>> listened to an 11 channel setup, believe it or not, 11.2 where you had 
>> 11 channels and 2 subwoofers.  Again, whoa!  Several sets of speakers 
>> were set in the front for an expanded sound stage in front of you, 
>> sides, back, and yes over head with 2 subwoofers that automatically 
>> adjust so the base is distributed evenly around the room rather than 
>> from a single point.  On the video side it upscaled everything to 4K 
>> 60 FPS complete with HDR video or you could genitive pass through if 
>> you wanted.  You could also break up the 11 channels and have 
>> different speakers for different zones so say 7.1 in the mail room and 
>> 5.1 in the other or 5.1 and several sets of 2 etc.  The thing that 
>> blew me away though was the automatic calibration and setup.  What 
>> would have taken an audio degree in my day to configure used 8 
>> microphone pickups that you scatter around the room and it uses pink 
>> noise and other pulses to set itself up.  Also included WiFi so you 
>> can grab your XM or other streamed content, it automatically software 
>> updated and you could buy extra CODECS and decoders for different 
>> surround standards.  All for $3000 which ain’t bad when you consider 
>> how many features you get.  There’s also an App for the iPad or iPhone 
>> to configure, supports bluetooth and includes preamp outs in case the 
>> 260 watts per channel CLASS AB amps weren’t good enough that are 
>> included.  You also get the full 260 watts class AB on all channels, 
>> not just the fronts.  Each channel has 4 32 bit convertors and they 
>> use 4 32 bit audicy DSP processors for signal manipulation.  (It does 
>> a hell of a lot of math, something like 10 billion flops)
>> 
>> You start adding speakers, installation of the speakers, cables, more 
>> decoders and such and you get in to very tall money very quickly but when I 
>> buy my next free standing house instead of a town house I know the way I’m 
>> going.  The other interesting thing it supposedly had a mechanism that 
>> isolated the sound with in your sound space so you didn’t blow your 
>> neighbors out of their units next door.  I’m skeptical with over a kw of 
>> power.  They didn’t have Sonos at this store, wasn’t high enough end for 
>> them:) but at least I found myself a store that’s still hanging in there 
>> against the big box shops and amazon.
>> 
>>> On Dec 1, 2016, at 3:51 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey David,
>>> 
>>> The sub woofer is a beast yes,
>>> 
>>> I was looking at the next step for my sound system and whether or not 
>>> I could have the play bar and 2 subs
>>> 
>>> See if it would work, no one can tell me
>>&

RE: Question about the Sonos products

[Simon Fogarty]

Hell no dude,
 Gotta have the 11.2.

 

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Saturday, 3 December 2016 6:36 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question about the Sonos products

Hi Simon,

That’s correct, the receiver only is $3000, you have to buy up to 11 more 
speakers and 2 subs to get the fullest as well as an additional 2 channel 
amplifier.  You get 9 amplifiers built in to the receiver and an extra 2 
channels out which you attach to a second amplifier.  Certainly, 9.2 would be 
sufficient.


> On Dec 2, 2016, at 2:19 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Scott,
> 
> I'm guessing that's not with speakers the 3K?
> 
> That sounds bloody amazing shame I don't own this house, I'd knock the living 
> room down and build my rooms around the stereo.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Friday, 2 December 2016 1:24 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Question about the Sonos products
> 
> For a goof today I went and looked at a ultra high end receiver.  I 
> mention it here on the Mac list because it was very configurable via 
> safari which I actually tried and loved.  You can set up all sorts of 
> 32 bit audio processing, automatic room equalization, but the kicker, 
> Dolby Atmos and it’s own proprietary 3d emersion algorithm along with 
> DTS Neo and several other objected oriented DTS formats.  Whoa!  I 
> listened to an 11 channel setup, believe it or not, 11.2 where you had 
> 11 channels and 2 subwoofers.  Again, whoa!  Several sets of speakers 
> were set in the front for an expanded sound stage in front of you, 
> sides, back, and yes over head with 2 subwoofers that automatically 
> adjust so the base is distributed evenly around the room rather than 
> from a single point.  On the video side it upscaled everything to 4K 
> 60 FPS complete with HDR video or you could genitive pass through if 
> you wanted.  You could also break up the 11 channels and have 
> different speakers for different zones so say 7.1 in the mail room and 
> 5.1 in the other or 5.1 and several sets of 2 etc.  The thing that 
> blew me away though was the automatic calibration and setup.  What 
> would have taken an audio degree in my day to configure used 8 
> microphone pickups that you scatter around the room and it uses pink 
> noise and other pulses to set itself up.  Also included WiFi so you 
> can grab your XM or other streamed content, it automatically software 
> updated and you could buy extra CODECS and decoders for different 
> surround standards.  All for $3000 which ain’t bad when you consider 
> how many features you get.  There’s also an App for the iPad or iPhone 
> to configure, supports bluetooth and includes preamp outs in case the 
> 260 watts per channel CLASS AB amps weren’t good enough that are 
> included.  You also get the full 260 watts class AB on all channels, 
> not just the fronts.  Each channel has 4 32 bit convertors and they 
> use 4 32 bit audicy DSP processors for signal manipulation.  (It does 
> a hell of a lot of math, something like 10 billion flops)
> 
> You start adding speakers, installation of the speakers, cables, more 
> decoders and such and you get in to very tall money very quickly but when I 
> buy my next free standing house instead of a town house I know the way I’m 
> going.  The other interesting thing it supposedly had a mechanism that 
> isolated the sound with in your sound space so you didn’t blow your neighbors 
> out of their units next door.  I’m skeptical with over a kw of power.  They 
> didn’t have Sonos at this store, wasn’t high enough end for them:) but at 
> least I found myself a store that’s still hanging in there against the big 
> box shops and amazon.
> 
>> On Dec 1, 2016, at 3:51 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hey David,
>> 
>> The sub woofer is a beast yes,
>> 
>> I was looking at the next step for my sound system and whether or not 
>> I could have the play bar and 2 subs
>> 
>> See if it would work, no one can tell me
>> 
>> But yeah they are bloody easy to setup and use,
>> 
>> Add more units to a room and then pair each pair together If you play 
>> them all as one synced room the sound is syncing perfectly, If 
>> theaudio comes through different speakers in different rooms then there will 
>> be a delay.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David 
&g

Re: Question about the Sonos products

[Scott Granados]

Hi Simon,

That’s correct, the receiver only is $3000, you have to buy up to 11 more 
speakers and 2 subs to get the fullest as well as an additional 2 channel 
amplifier.  You get 9 amplifiers built in to the receiver and an extra 2 
channels out which you attach to a second amplifier.  Certainly, 9.2 would be 
sufficient.


> On Dec 2, 2016, at 2:19 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Scott,
> 
> I'm guessing that's not with speakers the 3K?
> 
> That sounds bloody amazing shame I don't own this house, I'd knock the living 
> room down and build my rooms around the stereo.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Friday, 2 December 2016 1:24 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Question about the Sonos products
> 
> For a goof today I went and looked at a ultra high end receiver.  I mention 
> it here on the Mac list because it was very configurable via safari which I 
> actually tried and loved.  You can set up all sorts of 32 bit audio 
> processing, automatic room equalization, but the kicker, Dolby Atmos and it’s 
> own proprietary 3d emersion algorithm along with DTS Neo and several other 
> objected oriented DTS formats.  Whoa!  I listened to an 11 channel setup, 
> believe it or not, 11.2 where you had 11 channels and 2 subwoofers.  Again, 
> whoa!  Several sets of speakers were set in the front for an expanded sound 
> stage in front of you, sides, back, and yes over head with 2 subwoofers that 
> automatically adjust so the base is distributed evenly around the room rather 
> than from a single point.  On the video side it upscaled everything to 4K 60 
> FPS complete with HDR video or you could genitive pass through if you wanted. 
>  You could also break up the 11 channels and have different speakers for 
> different zones so say 7.1 in the mail room and 5.1 in the other or 5.1 and 
> several sets of 2 etc.  The thing that blew me away though was the automatic 
> calibration and setup.  What would have taken an audio degree in my day to 
> configure used 8 microphone pickups that you scatter around the room and it 
> uses pink noise and other pulses to set itself up.  Also included WiFi so you 
> can grab your XM or other streamed content, it automatically software updated 
> and you could buy extra CODECS and decoders for different surround standards. 
>  All for $3000 which ain’t bad when you consider how many features you get.  
> There’s also an App for the iPad or iPhone to configure, supports bluetooth 
> and includes preamp outs in case the 260 watts per channel CLASS AB amps 
> weren’t good enough that are included.  You also get the full 260 watts class 
> AB on all channels, not just the fronts.  Each channel has 4 32 bit 
> convertors and they use 4 32 bit audicy DSP processors for signal 
> manipulation.  (It does a hell of a lot of math, something like 10 billion 
> flops)
> 
> You start adding speakers, installation of the speakers, cables, more 
> decoders and such and you get in to very tall money very quickly but when I 
> buy my next free standing house instead of a town house I know the way I’m 
> going.  The other interesting thing it supposedly had a mechanism that 
> isolated the sound with in your sound space so you didn’t blow your neighbors 
> out of their units next door.  I’m skeptical with over a kw of power.  They 
> didn’t have Sonos at this store, wasn’t high enough end for them:) but at 
> least I found myself a store that’s still hanging in there against the big 
> box shops and amazon.
> 
>> On Dec 1, 2016, at 3:51 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hey David,
>> 
>> The sub woofer is a beast yes,
>> 
>> I was looking at the next step for my sound system and whether or not 
>> I could have the play bar and 2 subs
>> 
>> See if it would work, no one can tell me
>> 
>> But yeah they are bloody easy to setup and use,
>> 
>> Add more units to a room and then pair each pair together If you play 
>> them all as one synced room the sound is syncing perfectly, If 
>> theaudio comes through different speakers in different rooms then there will 
>> be a delay.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden
>> Sent: Thursday, 1 December 2016 3:39 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Question about the Sonos products
>> 
>> Hi Scott,
>> 
>> We recently set up a Sonos system.
>> 
>> The Play One is a small speaker. It can do ba

Re: Question about the Sonos products

[Donna Goodin]

Yeah, at the point that we are ready to build our in-dorr system, we will 
definitely do that.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Dec 2, 2016, at 1:05 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> 
> It really depends on how you use them.
> 
> My recommendation would be that you always pair the speakers 
> 
> That way you get a better sound from both sides.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Friday, 2 December 2016 3:15 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Question about the Sonos products
> 
> This is really interesting.  When my husband and I checked out the Sonos 
> options at BestBuy, we both thought the three and the five sounded pretty 
> lousy in comparison to the one.  Given that you and David both liked them so 
> much, I'm wondering if it was just something about the environment at 
> BestBuy.  May have to go check them out again.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Dec 1, 2016, at 2:38 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Scott,
>> 
>> Yes all of the above.
>> 
>> Two play fives would be better,
>> But in my head it would be the play bar at the front center and then a 
>> play five in each front corner,
>> 
>> Then put a set of play ones or play 3 in the rear corners So you have 
>> a 5 speaker setup,
>> 
>> If you want a .1 then you'll need the sub woofer as well.
>> 
>> But you could get away quite nicely with the play fives and the play 
>> bar  by themselves,
>> 
>> Put the fives in the rear corners and the bar as you said under the tv 
>> will give you a pretty dam good surround sound
>> 
>> As for speaker stands,
>> I've not seen one for the sonos speakers and they are a crazy shape to put 
>> on a stand,more of a rectangular box slightly wedged towards the back of the 
>> speaker.
>> 
>> Each speaker needs a power socket to by the way,
>> 
>> As for use by a sighted person,
>> 
>> Hell if we have no trouble then he'd have no trouble.
>> 
>> I'd highly suggest if it was possible Go in to your nearest sonos 
>> sales store and take a selection of music and get them to show you the 
>> speakers in action with the configuration your thinking of
>> 
>> That way you get an idea of the real sounds from the speaker units.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>> Sent: Thursday, 1 December 2016 2:00 PM
>> To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via 
>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Question about the Sonos products
>> 
>> Hi, so I’m looking for the Christmas gift for my Uncle who has everything.  
>> I happen to know he doesn’t have a good home theater though and he likes his 
>> music and TV.  I was looking at the Sonos system and I’m a little unsure how 
>> this works.  I was looking at the play 5.  Do you need two of these for 
>> stereo or do you get stereo sound from 1?  Also, to do 5.1 am I reading on 
>> their site correctly that I’d put a play bar under the TV, run an optical 
>> line to that and then put to play 5 speakers in the back of the room?  Can I 
>> pair more than 2 say 4 if I want to simulate 7.1 or is 5.1 the limit?  I 
>> know the app is accessibility from the list here but how is it for sited 
>> users, very simple?  Anything else I should get with these like speaker 
>> stands or how do they mount, do you need special brackets?  Any pointers 
>> would be most appreciated.  This looks really cool actually I might have to 
>> get one and have another accidentally fall in to the cart.  Can you try 
>> these out at Best Buy or other stores or they only available online?  Any 
>> input would be most appreciated.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Scott
>> 
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Re: Question about the Sonos products

[Donna Goodin]

You and my husband are on the same wave length.  those are his favorite 
speakers--other than the ones he built, of course. :)

> On Dec 1, 2016, at 10:49 PM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> These were Klipsch horns and not sure what they had in the over head.  The 
> ones I checked out by hand were a big pair of clipsch horns I like there 
> stuff.  Big, bulky and heavy but very efficient.
> 
>> On Dec 1, 2016, at 7:57 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> So, Scott, inquiring minds want to know what kind of speakers they were 
>> driving. I have always been partial to B and W high-end speakers. I do not 
>> own any I hasten to add. I just like them a lot.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 1, 2016, at 4:24 PM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> For a goof today I went and looked at a ultra high end receiver.  I mention 
>>> it here on the Mac list because it was very configurable via safari which I 
>>> actually tried and loved.  You can set up all sorts of 32 bit audio 
>>> processing, automatic room equalization, but the kicker, Dolby Atmos and 
>>> it’s own proprietary 3d emersion algorithm along with DTS Neo and several 
>>> other objected oriented DTS formats.  Whoa!  I listened to an 11 channel 
>>> setup, believe it or not, 11.2 where you had 11 channels and 2 subwoofers.  
>>> Again, whoa!  Several sets of speakers were set in the front for an 
>>> expanded sound stage in front of you, sides, back, and yes over head with 2 
>>> subwoofers that automatically adjust so the base is distributed evenly 
>>> around the room rather than from a single point.  On the video side it 
>>> upscaled everything to 4K 60 FPS complete with HDR video or you could 
>>> genitive pass through if you wanted.  You could also break up the 11 
>>> channels and have different speakers for different zones so say 7.1 in the 
>>> mail room and 5.1 in the other or 5.1 and several sets of 2 etc.  The thing 
>>> that blew me away though was the automatic calibration and setup.  What 
>>> would have taken an audio degree in my day to configure used 8 microphone 
>>> pickups that you scatter around the room and it uses pink noise and other 
>>> pulses to set itself up.  Also included WiFi so you can grab your XM or 
>>> other streamed content, it automatically software updated and you could buy 
>>> extra CODECS and decoders for different surround standards.  All for $3000 
>>> which ain’t bad when you consider how many features you get.  There’s also 
>>> an App for the iPad or iPhone to configure, supports bluetooth and includes 
>>> preamp outs in case the 260 watts per channel CLASS AB amps weren’t good 
>>> enough that are included.  You also get the full 260 watts class AB on all 
>>> channels, not just the fronts.  Each channel has 4 32 bit convertors and 
>>> they use 4 32 bit audicy DSP processors for signal manipulation.  (It does 
>>> a hell of a lot of math, something like 10 billion flops)
>>> 
>>> You start adding speakers, installation of the speakers, cables, more 
>>> decoders and such and you get in to very tall money very quickly but when I 
>>> buy my next free standing house instead of a town house I know the way I’m 
>>> going.  The other interesting thing it supposedly had a mechanism that 
>>> isolated the sound with in your sound space so you didn’t blow your 
>>> neighbors out of their units next door.  I’m skeptical with over a kw of 
>>> power.  They didn’t have Sonos at this store, wasn’t high enough end for 
>>> them:) but at least I found myself a store that’s still hanging in there 
>>> against the big box shops and amazon.
>>> 
>>>> On Dec 1, 2016, at 3:51 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hey David,
>>>> 
>>>> The sub woofer is a beast yes,
>>>> 
>>>> I was looking at the next step for my sound system and whether or not I 
>>>> could have the play bar and 2 subs 
>>>> 
>>>> See if it would work, no one can tell me 
>>>> 
>>>> But yeah they are bloody easy to setup and use,
>>>> 
>>>> Add more units to a room and then pair each pair together 
>>>> If you play them all as one synced room the sound is syncing perfectly,
>>>> If theaudio comes through different speakers in different rooms then there 
>>>> will be a delay.
>>

RE: Question about the Sonos products

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Scott,

I'm guessing that's not with speakers the 3K?

That sounds bloody amazing shame I don't own this house, I'd knock the living 
room down and build my rooms around the stereo.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Friday, 2 December 2016 1:24 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question about the Sonos products

For a goof today I went and looked at a ultra high end receiver.  I mention it 
here on the Mac list because it was very configurable via safari which I 
actually tried and loved.  You can set up all sorts of 32 bit audio processing, 
automatic room equalization, but the kicker, Dolby Atmos and it’s own 
proprietary 3d emersion algorithm along with DTS Neo and several other objected 
oriented DTS formats.  Whoa!  I listened to an 11 channel setup, believe it or 
not, 11.2 where you had 11 channels and 2 subwoofers.  Again, whoa!  Several 
sets of speakers were set in the front for an expanded sound stage in front of 
you, sides, back, and yes over head with 2 subwoofers that automatically adjust 
so the base is distributed evenly around the room rather than from a single 
point.  On the video side it upscaled everything to 4K 60 FPS complete with HDR 
video or you could genitive pass through if you wanted.  You could also break 
up the 11 channels and have different speakers for different zones so say 7.1 
in the mail room and 5.1 in the other or 5.1 and several sets of 2 etc.  The 
thing that blew me away though was the automatic calibration and setup.  What 
would have taken an audio degree in my day to configure used 8 microphone 
pickups that you scatter around the room and it uses pink noise and other 
pulses to set itself up.  Also included WiFi so you can grab your XM or other 
streamed content, it automatically software updated and you could buy extra 
CODECS and decoders for different surround standards.  All for $3000 which 
ain’t bad when you consider how many features you get.  There’s also an App for 
the iPad or iPhone to configure, supports bluetooth and includes preamp outs in 
case the 260 watts per channel CLASS AB amps weren’t good enough that are 
included.  You also get the full 260 watts class AB on all channels, not just 
the fronts.  Each channel has 4 32 bit convertors and they use 4 32 bit audicy 
DSP processors for signal manipulation.  (It does a hell of a lot of math, 
something like 10 billion flops)

You start adding speakers, installation of the speakers, cables, more decoders 
and such and you get in to very tall money very quickly but when I buy my next 
free standing house instead of a town house I know the way I’m going.  The 
other interesting thing it supposedly had a mechanism that isolated the sound 
with in your sound space so you didn’t blow your neighbors out of their units 
next door.  I’m skeptical with over a kw of power.  They didn’t have Sonos at 
this store, wasn’t high enough end for them:) but at least I found myself a 
store that’s still hanging in there against the big box shops and amazon.

> On Dec 1, 2016, at 3:51 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> Hey David,
> 
> The sub woofer is a beast yes,
> 
> I was looking at the next step for my sound system and whether or not 
> I could have the play bar and 2 subs
> 
> See if it would work, no one can tell me
> 
> But yeah they are bloody easy to setup and use,
> 
> Add more units to a room and then pair each pair together If you play 
> them all as one synced room the sound is syncing perfectly, If 
> theaudio comes through different speakers in different rooms then there will 
> be a delay.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden
> Sent: Thursday, 1 December 2016 3:39 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Question about the Sonos products
> 
> Hi Scott,
> 
> We recently set up a Sonos system.
> 
> The Play One is a small speaker. It can do basic stereo sound, or it can work 
> as part of a pair, or as part of a 5.1 surround system. I am not sure about 
> part of a 7.1 system, and Sonos does not yet do upmos for vertical spacial 
> hearing.
> The Play Three and Play 5 can both also function as either a stereo speaker 
> (laid horizontally,, or as the individual side of a stereo pair (laid 
> vertically). Just set it up in the Sonos app.
> 
> My fiancé wanted to hire someone to set up the system, so I agreed that if I 
> could not figure it out fairly quickly, we would bring in an installer. I am 
> good with this sort of thing, but set-up is so simple that she could do it.
> 
> We purchased a PlayBar, two Play Threes, and three Play Ones. I was 
> originally going to match the Play Threes with the 

RE: Question about the Sonos products

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Donna,

 It really depends on how you use them.

 My recommendation would be that you always pair the speakers 

That way you get a better sound from both sides.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Friday, 2 December 2016 3:15 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question about the Sonos products

This is really interesting.  When my husband and I checked out the Sonos 
options at BestBuy, we both thought the three and the five sounded pretty lousy 
in comparison to the one.  Given that you and David both liked them so much, 
I'm wondering if it was just something about the environment at BestBuy.  May 
have to go check them out again.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Dec 1, 2016, at 2:38 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Scott,
> 
> Yes all of the above.
> 
> Two play fives would be better,
> But in my head it would be the play bar at the front center and then a 
> play five in each front corner,
> 
> Then put a set of play ones or play 3 in the rear corners So you have 
> a 5 speaker setup,
> 
> If you want a .1 then you'll need the sub woofer as well.
> 
> But you could get away quite nicely with the play fives and the play 
> bar  by themselves,
> 
> Put the fives in the rear corners and the bar as you said under the tv 
> will give you a pretty dam good surround sound
> 
> As for speaker stands,
> I've not seen one for the sonos speakers and they are a crazy shape to put on 
> a stand,more of a rectangular box slightly wedged towards the back of the 
> speaker.
> 
> Each speaker needs a power socket to by the way,
> 
> As for use by a sighted person,
> 
> Hell if we have no trouble then he'd have no trouble.
> 
> I'd highly suggest if it was possible Go in to your nearest sonos 
> sales store and take a selection of music and get them to show you the 
> speakers in action with the configuration your thinking of
> 
> That way you get an idea of the real sounds from the speaker units.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Thursday, 1 December 2016 2:00 PM
> To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via 
> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Question about the Sonos products
> 
> Hi, so I’m looking for the Christmas gift for my Uncle who has everything.  I 
> happen to know he doesn’t have a good home theater though and he likes his 
> music and TV.  I was looking at the Sonos system and I’m a little unsure how 
> this works.  I was looking at the play 5.  Do you need two of these for 
> stereo or do you get stereo sound from 1?  Also, to do 5.1 am I reading on 
> their site correctly that I’d put a play bar under the TV, run an optical 
> line to that and then put to play 5 speakers in the back of the room?  Can I 
> pair more than 2 say 4 if I want to simulate 7.1 or is 5.1 the limit?  I know 
> the app is accessibility from the list here but how is it for sited users, 
> very simple?  Anything else I should get with these like speaker stands or 
> how do they mount, do you need special brackets?  Any pointers would be most 
> appreciated.  This looks really cool actually I might have to get one and 
> have another accidentally fall in to the cart.  Can you try these out at Best 
> Buy or other stores or they only available online?  Any input would be most 
> appreciated.
> 
> Thanks
> Scott
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RE: Question about the Sonos products

[Simon Fogarty]

Yeah tried that and options weren't easy to sort through 
 So gave up.

 Looking more for wall brackets I think but will re look at stands.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of David Chittenden
Sent: Thursday, 1 December 2016 11:27 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question about the Sonos products

I searched for Sonos speaker stand on eBay..

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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> On 1/12/2016, at 21:52, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> David,
> 
> Do you have a name for some of the speaker stands for the play ones?
> 
> I'm looking for stands or even better wal brackets.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden
> Sent: Thursday, 1 December 2016 3:42 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Question about the Sonos products
> 
> I almost forgot, the speakers can stand on any surface. I will eventually 
> purchase small speaker stands for the play One surrounds as the current 
> tables put them two low in relation to the couch.
> 
> They can be purchased online, at Best Buy, or many other retailers. And 
> Amazon sells them, of course.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
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> 
>> On 1/12/2016, at 13:59, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, so I’m looking for the Christmas gift for my Uncle who has everything.  
>> I happen to know he doesn’t have a good home theater though and he likes his 
>> music and TV.  I was looking at the Sonos system and I’m a little unsure how 
>> this works.  I was looking at the play 5.  Do you need two of these for 
>> stereo or do you get stereo sound from 1?  Also, to do 5.1 am I reading on 
>> their site correctly that I’d put a play bar under the TV, run an optical 
>> line to that and then put to play 5 speakers in the back of the room?  Can I 
>> pair more than 2 say 4 if I want to simulate 7.1 or is 5.1 the limit?  I 
>> know the app is accessibility from the list here but how is it for sited 
>> users, very simple?  Anything else I should get with these like speaker 
>> stands or how do they mount, do you need special brackets?  Any pointers 
>> would be most appreciated.  This looks really cool actually I might have to 
>> get one and have another accidentally fall in to the cart.  Can you try 
>> these out at Best Buy or other stores or they only available online?  Any 
>> input would be most appreciated.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Scott
>> 
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Re: Question about the Sonos products

[Mary Otten]

Not too shabby. To say the least.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 1, 2016, at 8:49 PM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> These were Klipsch horns and not sure what they had in the over head.  The 
> ones I checked out by hand were a big pair of clipsch horns I like there 
> stuff.  Big, bulky and heavy but very efficient.
> 
>> On Dec 1, 2016, at 7:57 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> So, Scott, inquiring minds want to know what kind of speakers they were 
>> driving. I have always been partial to B and W high-end speakers. I do not 
>> own any I hasten to add. I just like them a lot.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 1, 2016, at 4:24 PM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> For a goof today I went and looked at a ultra high end receiver.  I mention 
>>> it here on the Mac list because it was very configurable via safari which I 
>>> actually tried and loved.  You can set up all sorts of 32 bit audio 
>>> processing, automatic room equalization, but the kicker, Dolby Atmos and 
>>> it’s own proprietary 3d emersion algorithm along with DTS Neo and several 
>>> other objected oriented DTS formats.  Whoa!  I listened to an 11 channel 
>>> setup, believe it or not, 11.2 where you had 11 channels and 2 subwoofers.  
>>> Again, whoa!  Several sets of speakers were set in the front for an 
>>> expanded sound stage in front of you, sides, back, and yes over head with 2 
>>> subwoofers that automatically adjust so the base is distributed evenly 
>>> around the room rather than from a single point.  On the video side it 
>>> upscaled everything to 4K 60 FPS complete with HDR video or you could 
>>> genitive pass through if you wanted.  You could also break up the 11 
>>> channels and have different speakers for different zones so say 7.1 in the 
>>> mail room and 5.1 in the other or 5.1 and several sets of 2 etc.  The thing 
>>> that blew me away though was the automatic calibration and setup.  What 
>>> would have taken an audio degree in my day to configure used 8 microphone 
>>> pickups that you scatter around the room and it uses pink noise and other 
>>> pulses to set itself up.  Also included WiFi so you can grab your XM or 
>>> other streamed content, it automatically software updated and you could buy 
>>> extra CODECS and decoders for different surround standards.  All for $3000 
>>> which ain’t bad when you consider how many features you get.  There’s also 
>>> an App for the iPad or iPhone to configure, supports bluetooth and includes 
>>> preamp outs in case the 260 watts per channel CLASS AB amps weren’t good 
>>> enough that are included.  You also get the full 260 watts class AB on all 
>>> channels, not just the fronts.  Each channel has 4 32 bit convertors and 
>>> they use 4 32 bit audicy DSP processors for signal manipulation.  (It does 
>>> a hell of a lot of math, something like 10 billion flops)
>>> 
>>> You start adding speakers, installation of the speakers, cables, more 
>>> decoders and such and you get in to very tall money very quickly but when I 
>>> buy my next free standing house instead of a town house I know the way I’m 
>>> going.  The other interesting thing it supposedly had a mechanism that 
>>> isolated the sound with in your sound space so you didn’t blow your 
>>> neighbors out of their units next door.  I’m skeptical with over a kw of 
>>> power.  They didn’t have Sonos at this store, wasn’t high enough end for 
>>> them:) but at least I found myself a store that’s still hanging in there 
>>> against the big box shops and amazon.
>>> 
>>>> On Dec 1, 2016, at 3:51 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hey David,
>>>> 
>>>> The sub woofer is a beast yes,
>>>> 
>>>> I was looking at the next step for my sound system and whether or not I 
>>>> could have the play bar and 2 subs 
>>>> 
>>>> See if it would work, no one can tell me 
>>>> 
>>>> But yeah they are bloody easy to setup and use,
>>>> 
>>>> Add more units to a room and then pair each pair together 
>>>> If you play them all as one synced room the sound is syncing perfectly,
>>>> If theaudio comes through different speakers in different rooms then there 
>>>> will be a delay.
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From

Re: Question about the Sonos products

[Scott Granados]

These were Klipsch horns and not sure what they had in the over head.  The ones 
I checked out by hand were a big pair of clipsch horns I like there stuff.  
Big, bulky and heavy but very efficient.

> On Dec 1, 2016, at 7:57 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> So, Scott, inquiring minds want to know what kind of speakers they were 
> driving. I have always been partial to B and W high-end speakers. I do not 
> own any I hasten to add. I just like them a lot.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 1, 2016, at 4:24 PM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> For a goof today I went and looked at a ultra high end receiver.  I mention 
>> it here on the Mac list because it was very configurable via safari which I 
>> actually tried and loved.  You can set up all sorts of 32 bit audio 
>> processing, automatic room equalization, but the kicker, Dolby Atmos and 
>> it’s own proprietary 3d emersion algorithm along with DTS Neo and several 
>> other objected oriented DTS formats.  Whoa!  I listened to an 11 channel 
>> setup, believe it or not, 11.2 where you had 11 channels and 2 subwoofers.  
>> Again, whoa!  Several sets of speakers were set in the front for an expanded 
>> sound stage in front of you, sides, back, and yes over head with 2 
>> subwoofers that automatically adjust so the base is distributed evenly 
>> around the room rather than from a single point.  On the video side it 
>> upscaled everything to 4K 60 FPS complete with HDR video or you could 
>> genitive pass through if you wanted.  You could also break up the 11 
>> channels and have different speakers for different zones so say 7.1 in the 
>> mail room and 5.1 in the other or 5.1 and several sets of 2 etc.  The thing 
>> that blew me away though was the automatic calibration and setup.  What 
>> would have taken an audio degree in my day to configure used 8 microphone 
>> pickups that you scatter around the room and it uses pink noise and other 
>> pulses to set itself up.  Also included WiFi so you can grab your XM or 
>> other streamed content, it automatically software updated and you could buy 
>> extra CODECS and decoders for different surround standards.  All for $3000 
>> which ain’t bad when you consider how many features you get.  There’s also 
>> an App for the iPad or iPhone to configure, supports bluetooth and includes 
>> preamp outs in case the 260 watts per channel CLASS AB amps weren’t good 
>> enough that are included.  You also get the full 260 watts class AB on all 
>> channels, not just the fronts.  Each channel has 4 32 bit convertors and 
>> they use 4 32 bit audicy DSP processors for signal manipulation.  (It does a 
>> hell of a lot of math, something like 10 billion flops)
>> 
>> You start adding speakers, installation of the speakers, cables, more 
>> decoders and such and you get in to very tall money very quickly but when I 
>> buy my next free standing house instead of a town house I know the way I’m 
>> going.  The other interesting thing it supposedly had a mechanism that 
>> isolated the sound with in your sound space so you didn’t blow your 
>> neighbors out of their units next door.  I’m skeptical with over a kw of 
>> power.  They didn’t have Sonos at this store, wasn’t high enough end for 
>> them:) but at least I found myself a store that’s still hanging in there 
>> against the big box shops and amazon.
>> 
>>> On Dec 1, 2016, at 3:51 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey David,
>>> 
>>> The sub woofer is a beast yes,
>>> 
>>> I was looking at the next step for my sound system and whether or not I 
>>> could have the play bar and 2 subs 
>>> 
>>> See if it would work, no one can tell me 
>>> 
>>> But yeah they are bloody easy to setup and use,
>>> 
>>> Add more units to a room and then pair each pair together 
>>> If you play them all as one synced room the sound is syncing perfectly,
>>> If theaudio comes through different speakers in different rooms then there 
>>> will be a delay.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden
>>> Sent: Thursday, 1 December 2016 3:39 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Question about the Sonos products
>>> 
>>> Hi Scott,
>>> 
>>> We recently set up a Sonos system.
>>> 
>>> The Play One is a small speaker. It can 

Re: Question about the Sonos products

[Mary Otten]

So, Scott, inquiring minds want to know what kind of speakers they were 
driving. I have always been partial to B and W high-end speakers. I do not own 
any I hasten to add. I just like them a lot.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 1, 2016, at 4:24 PM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> For a goof today I went and looked at a ultra high end receiver.  I mention 
> it here on the Mac list because it was very configurable via safari which I 
> actually tried and loved.  You can set up all sorts of 32 bit audio 
> processing, automatic room equalization, but the kicker, Dolby Atmos and it’s 
> own proprietary 3d emersion algorithm along with DTS Neo and several other 
> objected oriented DTS formats.  Whoa!  I listened to an 11 channel setup, 
> believe it or not, 11.2 where you had 11 channels and 2 subwoofers.  Again, 
> whoa!  Several sets of speakers were set in the front for an expanded sound 
> stage in front of you, sides, back, and yes over head with 2 subwoofers that 
> automatically adjust so the base is distributed evenly around the room rather 
> than from a single point.  On the video side it upscaled everything to 4K 60 
> FPS complete with HDR video or you could genitive pass through if you wanted. 
>  You could also break up the 11 channels and have different speakers for 
> different zones so say 7.1 in the mail room and 5.1 in the other or 5.1 and 
> several sets of 2 etc.  The thing that blew me away though was the automatic 
> calibration and setup.  What would have taken an audio degree in my day to 
> configure used 8 microphone pickups that you scatter around the room and it 
> uses pink noise and other pulses to set itself up.  Also included WiFi so you 
> can grab your XM or other streamed content, it automatically software updated 
> and you could buy extra CODECS and decoders for different surround standards. 
>  All for $3000 which ain’t bad when you consider how many features you get.  
> There’s also an App for the iPad or iPhone to configure, supports bluetooth 
> and includes preamp outs in case the 260 watts per channel CLASS AB amps 
> weren’t good enough that are included.  You also get the full 260 watts class 
> AB on all channels, not just the fronts.  Each channel has 4 32 bit 
> convertors and they use 4 32 bit audicy DSP processors for signal 
> manipulation.  (It does a hell of a lot of math, something like 10 billion 
> flops)
> 
> You start adding speakers, installation of the speakers, cables, more 
> decoders and such and you get in to very tall money very quickly but when I 
> buy my next free standing house instead of a town house I know the way I’m 
> going.  The other interesting thing it supposedly had a mechanism that 
> isolated the sound with in your sound space so you didn’t blow your neighbors 
> out of their units next door.  I’m skeptical with over a kw of power.  They 
> didn’t have Sonos at this store, wasn’t high enough end for them:) but at 
> least I found myself a store that’s still hanging in there against the big 
> box shops and amazon.
> 
>> On Dec 1, 2016, at 3:51 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hey David,
>> 
>> The sub woofer is a beast yes,
>> 
>> I was looking at the next step for my sound system and whether or not I 
>> could have the play bar and 2 subs 
>> 
>> See if it would work, no one can tell me 
>> 
>> But yeah they are bloody easy to setup and use,
>> 
>> Add more units to a room and then pair each pair together 
>> If you play them all as one synced room the sound is syncing perfectly,
>> If theaudio comes through different speakers in different rooms then there 
>> will be a delay.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden
>> Sent: Thursday, 1 December 2016 3:39 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Question about the Sonos products
>> 
>> Hi Scott,
>> 
>> We recently set up a Sonos system.
>> 
>> The Play One is a small speaker. It can do basic stereo sound, or it can 
>> work as part of a pair, or as part of a 5.1 surround system. I am not sure 
>> about part of a 7.1 system, and Sonos does not yet do upmos for vertical 
>> spacial hearing.
>> The Play Three and Play 5 can both also function as either a stereo speaker 
>> (laid horizontally,, or as the individual side of a stereo pair (laid 
>> vertically). Just set it up in the Sonos app.
>> 
>> My fiancé wanted to hire someone to set up the system, so I agreed that if I 
>> could not figure it out fairly quickly, we would bring 

Re: Question about the Sonos products

[Donna Goodin]

Like I said, ... :)

> On Dec 1, 2016, at 6:30 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> That’s just for the speakers, never mind the installation and the 
> transportation cost of several tons of speaker times the number of speakers 
> you get.  You’d want to go 5.1 of course.:)
> 
> Honestly, when I heard them they were in a stereo pair.  This store wasn’t 
> big on surround sound at all.  It was all about stereo signals, individual 
> amps and 2 speakers in a matched set with these guys.
> 
>> On Dec 1, 2016, at 9:32 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Lol.  Well, I'm pretty sure that  I'd selected speakers that cost $100,000, 
>> limits would have been implemented very quickly.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 7:48 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I guess my mom was smart enough not to offer me such a graduation present. 
>>> I would've put her into debt for a good long time.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Nov 30, 2016, at 5:31 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Ha! I miss those days, too.  My graduation from college present from my 
 parents was a stereo system of my selection.  I have fond memories of 
 going to all the different audio stores in St. Louis with my brother 
 trying out all the different components.  Alas, I think those days are 
 gone. :)
 
 One thing I should say about my preference for the Play 1.  I wanted it 
 for our deck, which means that those listening would be about 10 feed 
 away.  I wanted something that would be good for us, but not make our 
 neighbors call the police.  :)  So, my selection of the Play1 was based on 
 it fitting that need.  Depending on your uncle's environment, that may or 
 may not be the best choice.
 Cheers,
 Donna
> On Nov 30, 2016, at 7:15 PM, Scott Granados  
> wrote:
> 
> Ah very good I will do that.  Nice to know you can try them out.  I miss 
> the old days of small boutique audio stores where you could make an 
> appointment and try out the gear with out having to try to hear it over 
> the car stereo section or the piles of televisions and cooking 
> demonstrations etc.:). Thanks for the pointer
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 8:06 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hey Scott,
>> 
>> I don't have the play five, so can't answer many of your questions. But 
>> yes, you can try them out at Best Buy. And I will tell you that when I 
>> tried them out at Best Buy, I like the sound of the play one the best. 
>> My recommendation would be that before you purchase anything you go to 
>> Best Buy and listen to the different options.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 6:59 PM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, so I’m looking for the Christmas gift for my Uncle who has 
>>> everything.  I happen to know he doesn’t have a good home theater 
>>> though and he likes his music and TV.  I was looking at the Sonos 
>>> system and I’m a little unsure how this works.  I was looking at the 
>>> play 5.  Do you need two of these for stereo or do you get stereo sound 
>>> from 1?  Also, to do 5.1 am I reading on their site correctly that I’d 
>>> put a play bar under the TV, run an optical line to that and then put 
>>> to play 5 speakers in the back of the room?  Can I pair more than 2 say 
>>> 4 if I want to simulate 7.1 or is 5.1 the limit?  I know the app is 
>>> accessibility from the list here but how is it for sited users, very 
>>> simple?  Anything else I should get with these like speaker stands or 
>>> how do they mount, do you need special brackets?  Any pointers would be 
>>> most appreciated.  This looks really cool actually I might have to get 
>>> one and have another accidentally fall in to the cart.  Can you try 
>>> these out at Best Buy or other stores or they only available online?  
>>> Any input would be most appreciated.
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> Scott
>>> 
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Re: Question about the Sonos products

[Donna Goodin]

Wow!  Had I built a house like that, I would *never* ever move! :)
Cheers,
Donna
> On Dec 1, 2016, at 6:29 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Donna, I went sort of over board on that house.  I had the speakers built in 
> to the wall, the screen was on a motor so it came down when you turned on the 
> system and the projector was also on a lift capable of carrying 200 LBS of 
> weight which was about the weight of the projector.  The projector had 
> several computer inputs each on their own card, a separate add on HD card and 
> it automatically dialed out for new lightbulbs when you were getting near 
> time for servicing.  A guy would show up, change out the parts and of course 
> bill you.:)
> 
> The actual components like the amps and video sources, anything with fans in 
> them were stored in a small machine closet out side the room so you didn’t 
> have fan noise or equipment in the room with the speakers.  And then I 
> moved.:(. If I ever settle somewhere permanently I’ll do it again.  While 
> it’s a pain to upgrade the speakers you don’t switch them out very 
> frequently.  Your gear like the amps and signal processors are all seated in 
> a rack so the stuff you are likely to change isn’t bad at all.  Like swapping 
> gear in a professional music rack.
> 
>> On Dec 1, 2016, at 9:19 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Oh, I'm so jealous!  I've always wanted to have my system built into the 
>> wall.  Not sure why, it's just always seemed cool.  Although that does have 
>> the drawback that it's harder to change things out.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 10:10 PM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> My mother was always fighting with me about the wires.  She loves this 
>>> whole new wireless revolution going on.
>>> 
>>> I used to have speakers packed to the rafters but when I moved tony first 
>>> house in New England I had them built in to the walls so it wasn’t nearly 
>>> as bad.
>>> 
 On Nov 30, 2016, at 8:33 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Lol!  When my husband was in high school, he built four speakers with a 
 friend of his.  The speakers are ginormous.  They horrify my mother, who 
 cares a lot about what things look like.  They stand about five feet 
 tall--my husband was and is into horns.  They pretty much dominate the 
 room, but I've never heard a better set of speakers.
 Cheers,
 Donna
> On Nov 30, 2016, at 7:20 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Oh for those days. Up until fairly recently, we had a store like that in 
> town. I went down there and was then sorry I did, because I so wanted the 
> magna planers. But there was no way they would fit in anybody's house 
> that cares about what things look like. I don't of course, but others do. 
> If you're lucky, and your Best Buy has one of those high and Magnolia 
> rooms or whatever they call it, you might find the Sonos in there, and 
> that should be a better listening experience than simply going to the 
> home theater section in your regular Best Buy store. Good luck with that.
> 
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 5:15 PM, Scott Granados  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Ah very good I will do that.  Nice to know you can try them out.  I miss 
>> the old days of small boutique audio stores where you could make an 
>> appointment and try out the gear with out having to try to hear it over 
>> the car stereo section or the piles of televisions and cooking 
>> demonstrations etc.:). Thanks for the pointer
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 8:06 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey Scott,
>>> 
>>> I don't have the play five, so can't answer many of your questions. But 
>>> yes, you can try them out at Best Buy. And I will tell you that when I 
>>> tried them out at Best Buy, I like the sound of the play one the best. 
>>> My recommendation would be that before you purchase anything you go to 
>>> Best Buy and listen to the different options.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Nov 30, 2016, at 6:59 PM, Scott Granados  
 wrote:
 
 Hi, so I’m looking for the Christmas gift for my Uncle who has 
 everything.  I happen to know he doesn’t have a good home theater 
 though and he likes his music and TV.  I was looking at the Sonos 
 system and I’m a little unsure how this works.  I was looking at the 
 play 5.  Do you need two of these for stereo or do you get stereo 
 sound from 1?  Also, to do 5.1 am I reading on their site correctly 
 that I’d put a play bar under the TV, run an optical line to that and 
 then put to play 5 speakers in the 

Re: Question about the Sonos products

[Scott Granados]

That’s just for the speakers, never mind the installation and the 
transportation cost of several tons of speaker times the number of speakers you 
get.  You’d want to go 5.1 of course.:)

Honestly, when I heard them they were in a stereo pair.  This store wasn’t big 
on surround sound at all.  It was all about stereo signals, individual amps and 
2 speakers in a matched set with these guys.
 
> On Dec 1, 2016, at 9:32 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Lol.  Well, I'm pretty sure that  I'd selected speakers that cost $100,000, 
> limits would have been implemented very quickly.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 7:48 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> I guess my mom was smart enough not to offer me such a graduation present. I 
>> would've put her into debt for a good long time.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 5:31 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ha! I miss those days, too.  My graduation from college present from my 
>>> parents was a stereo system of my selection.  I have fond memories of going 
>>> to all the different audio stores in St. Louis with my brother trying out 
>>> all the different components.  Alas, I think those days are gone. :)
>>> 
>>> One thing I should say about my preference for the Play 1.  I wanted it for 
>>> our deck, which means that those listening would be about 10 feed away.  I 
>>> wanted something that would be good for us, but not make our neighbors call 
>>> the police.  :)  So, my selection of the Play1 was based on it fitting that 
>>> need.  Depending on your uncle's environment, that may or may not be the 
>>> best choice.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Nov 30, 2016, at 7:15 PM, Scott Granados  
 wrote:
 
 Ah very good I will do that.  Nice to know you can try them out.  I miss 
 the old days of small boutique audio stores where you could make an 
 appointment and try out the gear with out having to try to hear it over 
 the car stereo section or the piles of televisions and cooking 
 demonstrations etc.:). Thanks for the pointer
 
 
 
> On Nov 30, 2016, at 8:06 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hey Scott,
> 
> I don't have the play five, so can't answer many of your questions. But 
> yes, you can try them out at Best Buy. And I will tell you that when I 
> tried them out at Best Buy, I like the sound of the play one the best. My 
> recommendation would be that before you purchase anything you go to Best 
> Buy and listen to the different options.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 6:59 PM, Scott Granados  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, so I’m looking for the Christmas gift for my Uncle who has 
>> everything.  I happen to know he doesn’t have a good home theater though 
>> and he likes his music and TV.  I was looking at the Sonos system and 
>> I’m a little unsure how this works.  I was looking at the play 5.  Do 
>> you need two of these for stereo or do you get stereo sound from 1?  
>> Also, to do 5.1 am I reading on their site correctly that I’d put a play 
>> bar under the TV, run an optical line to that and then put to play 5 
>> speakers in the back of the room?  Can I pair more than 2 say 4 if I 
>> want to simulate 7.1 or is 5.1 the limit?  I know the app is 
>> accessibility from the list here but how is it for sited users, very 
>> simple?  Anything else I should get with these like speaker stands or 
>> how do they mount, do you need special brackets?  Any pointers would be 
>> most appreciated.  This looks really cool actually I might have to get 
>> one and have another accidentally fall in to the cart.  Can you try 
>> these out at Best Buy or other stores or they only available online?  
>> Any input would be most appreciated.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Scott
>> 
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Re: Question about the Sonos products

[Scott Granados]

Donna, I went sort of over board on that house.  I had the speakers built in to 
the wall, the screen was on a motor so it came down when you turned on the 
system and the projector was also on a lift capable of carrying 200 LBS of 
weight which was about the weight of the projector.  The projector had several 
computer inputs each on their own card, a separate add on HD card and it 
automatically dialed out for new lightbulbs when you were getting near time for 
servicing.  A guy would show up, change out the parts and of course bill you.:)

The actual components like the amps and video sources, anything with fans in 
them were stored in a small machine closet out side the room so you didn’t have 
fan noise or equipment in the room with the speakers.  And then I moved.:(. If 
I ever settle somewhere permanently I’ll do it again.  While it’s a pain to 
upgrade the speakers you don’t switch them out very frequently.  Your gear like 
the amps and signal processors are all seated in a rack so the stuff you are 
likely to change isn’t bad at all.  Like swapping gear in a professional music 
rack.

> On Dec 1, 2016, at 9:19 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Oh, I'm so jealous!  I've always wanted to have my system built into the 
> wall.  Not sure why, it's just always seemed cool.  Although that does have 
> the drawback that it's harder to change things out.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 10:10 PM, Scott Granados  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> My mother was always fighting with me about the wires.  She loves this whole 
>> new wireless revolution going on.
>> 
>> I used to have speakers packed to the rafters but when I moved tony first 
>> house in New England I had them built in to the walls so it wasn’t nearly as 
>> bad.
>> 
>>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 8:33 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Lol!  When my husband was in high school, he built four speakers with a 
>>> friend of his.  The speakers are ginormous.  They horrify my mother, who 
>>> cares a lot about what things look like.  They stand about five feet 
>>> tall--my husband was and is into horns.  They pretty much dominate the 
>>> room, but I've never heard a better set of speakers.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Nov 30, 2016, at 7:20 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
 
 Oh for those days. Up until fairly recently, we had a store like that in 
 town. I went down there and was then sorry I did, because I so wanted the 
 magna planers. But there was no way they would fit in anybody's house that 
 cares about what things look like. I don't of course, but others do. If 
 you're lucky, and your Best Buy has one of those high and Magnolia rooms 
 or whatever they call it, you might find the Sonos in there, and that 
 should be a better listening experience than simply going to the home 
 theater section in your regular Best Buy store. Good luck with that.
 
 Mary
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Nov 30, 2016, at 5:15 PM, Scott Granados  
> wrote:
> 
> Ah very good I will do that.  Nice to know you can try them out.  I miss 
> the old days of small boutique audio stores where you could make an 
> appointment and try out the gear with out having to try to hear it over 
> the car stereo section or the piles of televisions and cooking 
> demonstrations etc.:). Thanks for the pointer
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 8:06 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hey Scott,
>> 
>> I don't have the play five, so can't answer many of your questions. But 
>> yes, you can try them out at Best Buy. And I will tell you that when I 
>> tried them out at Best Buy, I like the sound of the play one the best. 
>> My recommendation would be that before you purchase anything you go to 
>> Best Buy and listen to the different options.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 6:59 PM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, so I’m looking for the Christmas gift for my Uncle who has 
>>> everything.  I happen to know he doesn’t have a good home theater 
>>> though and he likes his music and TV.  I was looking at the Sonos 
>>> system and I’m a little unsure how this works.  I was looking at the 
>>> play 5.  Do you need two of these for stereo or do you get stereo sound 
>>> from 1?  Also, to do 5.1 am I reading on their site correctly that I’d 
>>> put a play bar under the TV, run an optical line to that and then put 
>>> to play 5 speakers in the back of the room?  Can I pair more than 2 say 
>>> 4 if I want to simulate 7.1 or is 5.1 the limit?  I know the app is 
>>> accessibility from the list here but how is it for sited users, very 
>>> simple?  Anything else I should get with these like speaker stands 

Re: Question about the Sonos products

[Scott Granados]

For a goof today I went and looked at a ultra high end receiver.  I mention it 
here on the Mac list because it was very configurable via safari which I 
actually tried and loved.  You can set up all sorts of 32 bit audio processing, 
automatic room equalization, but the kicker, Dolby Atmos and it’s own 
proprietary 3d emersion algorithm along with DTS Neo and several other objected 
oriented DTS formats.  Whoa!  I listened to an 11 channel setup, believe it or 
not, 11.2 where you had 11 channels and 2 subwoofers.  Again, whoa!  Several 
sets of speakers were set in the front for an expanded sound stage in front of 
you, sides, back, and yes over head with 2 subwoofers that automatically adjust 
so the base is distributed evenly around the room rather than from a single 
point.  On the video side it upscaled everything to 4K 60 FPS complete with HDR 
video or you could genitive pass through if you wanted.  You could also break 
up the 11 channels and have different speakers for different zones so say 7.1 
in the mail room and 5.1 in the other or 5.1 and several sets of 2 etc.  The 
thing that blew me away though was the automatic calibration and setup.  What 
would have taken an audio degree in my day to configure used 8 microphone 
pickups that you scatter around the room and it uses pink noise and other 
pulses to set itself up.  Also included WiFi so you can grab your XM or other 
streamed content, it automatically software updated and you could buy extra 
CODECS and decoders for different surround standards.  All for $3000 which 
ain’t bad when you consider how many features you get.  There’s also an App for 
the iPad or iPhone to configure, supports bluetooth and includes preamp outs in 
case the 260 watts per channel CLASS AB amps weren’t good enough that are 
included.  You also get the full 260 watts class AB on all channels, not just 
the fronts.  Each channel has 4 32 bit convertors and they use 4 32 bit audicy 
DSP processors for signal manipulation.  (It does a hell of a lot of math, 
something like 10 billion flops)

You start adding speakers, installation of the speakers, cables, more decoders 
and such and you get in to very tall money very quickly but when I buy my next 
free standing house instead of a town house I know the way I’m going.  The 
other interesting thing it supposedly had a mechanism that isolated the sound 
with in your sound space so you didn’t blow your neighbors out of their units 
next door.  I’m skeptical with over a kw of power.  They didn’t have Sonos at 
this store, wasn’t high enough end for them:) but at least I found myself a 
store that’s still hanging in there against the big box shops and amazon.

> On Dec 1, 2016, at 3:51 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> Hey David,
> 
> The sub woofer is a beast yes,
> 
> I was looking at the next step for my sound system and whether or not I could 
> have the play bar and 2 subs 
> 
> See if it would work, no one can tell me 
> 
> But yeah they are bloody easy to setup and use,
> 
> Add more units to a room and then pair each pair together 
> If you play them all as one synced room the sound is syncing perfectly,
> If theaudio comes through different speakers in different rooms then there 
> will be a delay.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden
> Sent: Thursday, 1 December 2016 3:39 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Question about the Sonos products
> 
> Hi Scott,
> 
> We recently set up a Sonos system.
> 
> The Play One is a small speaker. It can do basic stereo sound, or it can work 
> as part of a pair, or as part of a 5.1 surround system. I am not sure about 
> part of a 7.1 system, and Sonos does not yet do upmos for vertical spacial 
> hearing.
> The Play Three and Play 5 can both also function as either a stereo speaker 
> (laid horizontally,, or as the individual side of a stereo pair (laid 
> vertically). Just set it up in the Sonos app.
> 
> My fiancé wanted to hire someone to set up the system, so I agreed that if I 
> could not figure it out fairly quickly, we would bring in an installer. I am 
> good with this sort of thing, but set-up is so simple that she could do it.
> 
> We purchased a PlayBar, two Play Threes, and three Play Ones. I was 
> originally going to match the Play Threes with the PlayBar, but the store 
> only had one in stock, so we put the single Play Three in the bedroom (where 
> I was going to put a Play One. That would leave a play One for the bathroom 
> and a play One for our office. The Play Ones worked so nicely with the 
> PlayBar that the office was upgraded to the other Play Three. Oh, the family 
> room also has the Sonos Sub. I really like this Sub. It is a brick. The 
> speakers 

Re: Question about the Sonos products

[Donna Goodin]

Ah, then it probably was the 2nd gen I heard.  Still, want to give it another 
go.  Thanks for the info.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Dec 1, 2016, at 4:26 PM, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I believe second gen came out last year. The second gen models sound better 
> than the original models. We were able to do a side-by-side comparison.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 2/12/2016, at 10:50, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Well, we'll definitely take another listen, since we're thinking about 
>> expanding our Sonos network.  Do you know when the newer models came out?
>> Thanks,
>> Donna
>>> On Dec 1, 2016, at 2:21 PM, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes, the listening environment makes a difference. The first time we 
>>> checked out Sonos, we did not like the sound of any of the speakers. The 
>>> second time, several months later, we got a private demonstration. They 
>>> sounded much better. It is also possible that the first time was the older 
>>> model.
>>> 
>>> Kind regards,
>>> 
>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On 2/12/2016, at 03:14, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> This is really interesting.  When my husband and I checked out the Sonos 
>>>> options at BestBuy, we both thought the three and the five sounded pretty 
>>>> lousy in comparison to the one.  Given that you and David both liked them 
>>>> so much, I'm wondering if it was just something about the environment at 
>>>> BestBuy.  May have to go check them out again.
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Donna
>>>>> On Dec 1, 2016, at 2:38 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Scott,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yes all of the above.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Two play fives would be better,
>>>>> But in my head it would be the play bar at the front center and then a 
>>>>> play five in each front corner,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Then put a set of play ones or play 3 in the rear corners 
>>>>> So you have a 5 speaker setup,
>>>>> 
>>>>> If you want a .1 then you'll need the sub woofer as well.
>>>>> 
>>>>> But you could get away quite nicely with the play fives and the play bar  
>>>>> by themselves,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Put the fives in the rear corners and the bar as you said under the tv 
>>>>> will give you a pretty dam good surround sound 
>>>>> 
>>>>> As for speaker stands,
>>>>> I've not seen one for the sonos speakers and they are a crazy shape to 
>>>>> put on a stand,more of a rectangular box slightly wedged towards the back 
>>>>> of the speaker.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Each speaker needs a power socket to by the way,
>>>>> 
>>>>> As for use by a sighted person,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hell if we have no trouble then he'd have no trouble.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'd highly suggest if it was possible 
>>>>> Go in to your nearest sonos sales store and take a selection of music and 
>>>>> get them to show you the speakers in action with the configuration your 
>>>>> thinking of 
>>>>> 
>>>>> That way you get an idea of the real sounds from the speaker units.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, 1 December 2016 2:00 PM
>>>>> To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>>> Subject: Question about the Sonos products
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi, so I’m looking for the Christmas gift for my Uncle who has 
>>>>> everything.  I happen to know he doesn’t have a good home theater though 
>>>>> and he likes his music and TV.  I was looking at the Sonos system and I’m 
>>>>> a little unsure how this works.  I was looking at the play 5.  Do you 
>>>>> need two of these f

Re: Question about the Sonos products

[David Chittenden]

I believe second gen came out last year. The second gen models sound better 
than the original models. We were able to do a side-by-side comparison.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 2/12/2016, at 10:50, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> Well, we'll definitely take another listen, since we're thinking about 
> expanding our Sonos network.  Do you know when the newer models came out?
> Thanks,
> Donna
>> On Dec 1, 2016, at 2:21 PM, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, the listening environment makes a difference. The first time we checked 
>> out Sonos, we did not like the sound of any of the speakers. The second 
>> time, several months later, we got a private demonstration. They sounded 
>> much better. It is also possible that the first time was the older model.
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 2/12/2016, at 03:14, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> This is really interesting.  When my husband and I checked out the Sonos 
>>> options at BestBuy, we both thought the three and the five sounded pretty 
>>> lousy in comparison to the one.  Given that you and David both liked them 
>>> so much, I'm wondering if it was just something about the environment at 
>>> BestBuy.  May have to go check them out again.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>>> On Dec 1, 2016, at 2:38 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Scott,
>>>> 
>>>> Yes all of the above.
>>>> 
>>>> Two play fives would be better,
>>>> But in my head it would be the play bar at the front center and then a 
>>>> play five in each front corner,
>>>> 
>>>> Then put a set of play ones or play 3 in the rear corners 
>>>> So you have a 5 speaker setup,
>>>> 
>>>> If you want a .1 then you'll need the sub woofer as well.
>>>> 
>>>> But you could get away quite nicely with the play fives and the play bar  
>>>> by themselves,
>>>> 
>>>> Put the fives in the rear corners and the bar as you said under the tv 
>>>> will give you a pretty dam good surround sound 
>>>> 
>>>> As for speaker stands,
>>>> I've not seen one for the sonos speakers and they are a crazy shape to put 
>>>> on a stand,more of a rectangular box slightly wedged towards the back of 
>>>> the speaker.
>>>> 
>>>> Each speaker needs a power socket to by the way,
>>>> 
>>>> As for use by a sighted person,
>>>> 
>>>> Hell if we have no trouble then he'd have no trouble.
>>>> 
>>>> I'd highly suggest if it was possible 
>>>> Go in to your nearest sonos sales store and take a selection of music and 
>>>> get them to show you the speakers in action with the configuration your 
>>>> thinking of 
>>>> 
>>>> That way you get an idea of the real sounds from the speaker units.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>>>> Sent: Thursday, 1 December 2016 2:00 PM
>>>> To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>> Subject: Question about the Sonos products
>>>> 
>>>> Hi, so I’m looking for the Christmas gift for my Uncle who has everything. 
>>>>  I happen to know he doesn’t have a good home theater though and he likes 
>>>> his music and TV.  I was looking at the Sonos system and I’m a little 
>>>> unsure how this works.  I was looking at the play 5.  Do you need two of 
>>>> these for stereo or do you get stereo sound from 1?  Also, to do 5.1 am I 
>>>> reading on their site correctly that I’d put a play bar under the TV, run 
>>>> an optical line to that and then put to play 5 speakers in the back of the 
>>>> room?  Can I pair more than 2 say 4 if I want to simulate 7.1 or is 5.1 
>>>> the limit?  I know the app is accessibility from the list here but how is 
>>>> it for sited users, very simple?  Anything else I should get with these 
>>>> like speaker stands or how do they mo

Re: Question about the Sonos products

[Donna Goodin]

Well, we'll definitely take another listen, since we're thinking about 
expanding our Sonos network.  Do you know when the newer models came out?
Thanks,
Donna
> On Dec 1, 2016, at 2:21 PM, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Yes, the listening environment makes a difference. The first time we checked 
> out Sonos, we did not like the sound of any of the speakers. The second time, 
> several months later, we got a private demonstration. They sounded much 
> better. It is also possible that the first time was the older model.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 2/12/2016, at 03:14, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>> 
>> This is really interesting.  When my husband and I checked out the Sonos 
>> options at BestBuy, we both thought the three and the five sounded pretty 
>> lousy in comparison to the one.  Given that you and David both liked them so 
>> much, I'm wondering if it was just something about the environment at 
>> BestBuy.  May have to go check them out again.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Dec 1, 2016, at 2:38 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Scott,
>>> 
>>> Yes all of the above.
>>> 
>>> Two play fives would be better,
>>> But in my head it would be the play bar at the front center and then a play 
>>> five in each front corner,
>>> 
>>> Then put a set of play ones or play 3 in the rear corners 
>>> So you have a 5 speaker setup,
>>> 
>>> If you want a .1 then you'll need the sub woofer as well.
>>> 
>>> But you could get away quite nicely with the play fives and the play bar  
>>> by themselves,
>>> 
>>> Put the fives in the rear corners and the bar as you said under the tv will 
>>> give you a pretty dam good surround sound 
>>> 
>>> As for speaker stands,
>>> I've not seen one for the sonos speakers and they are a crazy shape to put 
>>> on a stand,more of a rectangular box slightly wedged towards the back of 
>>> the speaker.
>>> 
>>> Each speaker needs a power socket to by the way,
>>> 
>>> As for use by a sighted person,
>>> 
>>> Hell if we have no trouble then he'd have no trouble.
>>> 
>>> I'd highly suggest if it was possible 
>>> Go in to your nearest sonos sales store and take a selection of music and 
>>> get them to show you the speakers in action with the configuration your 
>>> thinking of 
>>> 
>>> That way you get an idea of the real sounds from the speaker units.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>>> Sent: Thursday, 1 December 2016 2:00 PM
>>> To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>> Subject: Question about the Sonos products
>>> 
>>> Hi, so I’m looking for the Christmas gift for my Uncle who has everything.  
>>> I happen to know he doesn’t have a good home theater though and he likes 
>>> his music and TV.  I was looking at the Sonos system and I’m a little 
>>> unsure how this works.  I was looking at the play 5.  Do you need two of 
>>> these for stereo or do you get stereo sound from 1?  Also, to do 5.1 am I 
>>> reading on their site correctly that I’d put a play bar under the TV, run 
>>> an optical line to that and then put to play 5 speakers in the back of the 
>>> room?  Can I pair more than 2 say 4 if I want to simulate 7.1 or is 5.1 the 
>>> limit?  I know the app is accessibility from the list here but how is it 
>>> for sited users, very simple?  Anything else I should get with these like 
>>> speaker stands or how do they mount, do you need special brackets?  Any 
>>> pointers would be most appreciated.  This looks really cool actually I 
>>> might have to get one and have another accidentally fall in to the cart.  
>>> Can you try these out at Best Buy or other stores or they only available 
>>> online?  Any input would be most appreciated.
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> Scott
>>> 
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Re: Question about the Sonos products

[David Chittenden]

Yes, the listening environment makes a difference. The first time we checked 
out Sonos, we did not like the sound of any of the speakers. The second time, 
several months later, we got a private demonstration. They sounded much better. 
It is also possible that the first time was the older model.

Kind regards,

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 2/12/2016, at 03:14, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> This is really interesting.  When my husband and I checked out the Sonos 
> options at BestBuy, we both thought the three and the five sounded pretty 
> lousy in comparison to the one.  Given that you and David both liked them so 
> much, I'm wondering if it was just something about the environment at 
> BestBuy.  May have to go check them out again.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Dec 1, 2016, at 2:38 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Scott,
>> 
>> Yes all of the above.
>> 
>> Two play fives would be better,
>> But in my head it would be the play bar at the front center and then a play 
>> five in each front corner,
>> 
>> Then put a set of play ones or play 3 in the rear corners 
>> So you have a 5 speaker setup,
>> 
>> If you want a .1 then you'll need the sub woofer as well.
>> 
>> But you could get away quite nicely with the play fives and the play bar  by 
>> themselves,
>> 
>> Put the fives in the rear corners and the bar as you said under the tv will 
>> give you a pretty dam good surround sound 
>> 
>> As for speaker stands,
>> I've not seen one for the sonos speakers and they are a crazy shape to put 
>> on a stand,more of a rectangular box slightly wedged towards the back of the 
>> speaker.
>> 
>> Each speaker needs a power socket to by the way,
>> 
>> As for use by a sighted person,
>> 
>> Hell if we have no trouble then he'd have no trouble.
>> 
>> I'd highly suggest if it was possible 
>> Go in to your nearest sonos sales store and take a selection of music and 
>> get them to show you the speakers in action with the configuration your 
>> thinking of 
>> 
>> That way you get an idea of the real sounds from the speaker units.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>> Sent: Thursday, 1 December 2016 2:00 PM
>> To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Question about the Sonos products
>> 
>> Hi, so I’m looking for the Christmas gift for my Uncle who has everything.  
>> I happen to know he doesn’t have a good home theater though and he likes his 
>> music and TV.  I was looking at the Sonos system and I’m a little unsure how 
>> this works.  I was looking at the play 5.  Do you need two of these for 
>> stereo or do you get stereo sound from 1?  Also, to do 5.1 am I reading on 
>> their site correctly that I’d put a play bar under the TV, run an optical 
>> line to that and then put to play 5 speakers in the back of the room?  Can I 
>> pair more than 2 say 4 if I want to simulate 7.1 or is 5.1 the limit?  I 
>> know the app is accessibility from the list here but how is it for sited 
>> users, very simple?  Anything else I should get with these like speaker 
>> stands or how do they mount, do you need special brackets?  Any pointers 
>> would be most appreciated.  This looks really cool actually I might have to 
>> get one and have another accidentally fall in to the cart.  Can you try 
>> these out at Best Buy or other stores or they only available online?  Any 
>> input would be most appreciated.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Scott
>> 
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Re: Question about the Sonos products

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I have two play 1's, and the sound is just! freaking, explosive! Absolutely 
killer!

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- Original Message - 
From: "Donna Goodin" <doniado...@me.com>

To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2016 9:14 AM
Subject: Re: Question about the Sonos products


This is really interesting.  When my husband and I checked out the Sonos 
options at BestBuy, we both thought the three and the five sounded pretty 
lousy in comparison to the one.  Given that you and David both liked them so 
much, I'm wondering if it was just something about the environment at 
BestBuy.  May have to go check them out again.

Cheers,
Donna

On Dec 1, 2016, at 2:38 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:

Hi Scott,

Yes all of the above.

Two play fives would be better,
But in my head it would be the play bar at the front center and then a 
play five in each front corner,


Then put a set of play ones or play 3 in the rear corners
So you have a 5 speaker setup,

If you want a .1 then you'll need the sub woofer as well.

But you could get away quite nicely with the play fives and the play bar 
by themselves,


Put the fives in the rear corners and the bar as you said under the tv 
will give you a pretty dam good surround sound


As for speaker stands,
I've not seen one for the sonos speakers and they are a crazy shape to put 
on a stand,more of a rectangular box slightly wedged towards the back of 
the speaker.


Each speaker needs a power socket to by the way,

As for use by a sighted person,

Hell if we have no trouble then he'd have no trouble.

I'd highly suggest if it was possible
Go in to your nearest sonos sales store and take a selection of music and 
get them to show you the speakers in action with the configuration your 
thinking of


That way you get an idea of the real sounds from the speaker units.



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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados

Sent: Thursday, 1 December 2016 2:00 PM
To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Question about the Sonos products

Hi, so I’m looking for the Christmas gift for my Uncle who has everything. 
I happen to know he doesn’t have a good home theater though and he likes 
his music and TV.  I was looking at the Sonos system and I’m a little 
unsure how this works.  I was looking at the play 5.  Do you need two of 
these for stereo or do you get stereo sound from 1?  Also, to do 5.1 am I 
reading on their site correctly that I’d put a play bar under the TV, run 
an optical line to that and then put to play 5 speakers in the back of the 
room?  Can I pair more than 2 say 4 if I want to simulate 7.1 or is 5.1 
the limit?  I know the app is accessibility from the list here but how is 
it for sited users, very simple?  Anything else I should get with these 
like speaker stands or how do they mount, do you need special brackets? 
Any pointers would be most appreciated.  This looks really cool actually I 
might have to get one and have another accidentally fall in to the cart. 
Can you try these out at Best Buy or other stores or they only available 
online?  Any input would be most appreciated.


Thanks
Scott

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Re: Question about the Sonos products

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Sonos only supports up to 5.1, not 7.1.

Enough said.
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From: "David Chittenden" <dchitten...@gmail.com>

To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 9:38 PM
Subject: Re: Question about the Sonos products


Hi Scott,

We recently set up a Sonos system.

The Play One is a small speaker. It can do basic stereo sound, or it can 
work as part of a pair, or as part of a 5.1 surround system. I am not sure 
about part of a 7.1 system, and Sonos does not yet do upmos for vertical 
spacial hearing.
The Play Three and Play 5 can both also function as either a stereo speaker 
(laid horizontally,, or as the individual side of a stereo pair (laid 
vertically). Just set it up in the Sonos app.


My fiancé wanted to hire someone to set up the system, so I agreed that if I 
could not figure it out fairly quickly, we would bring in an installer. I am 
good with this sort of thing, but set-up is so simple that she could do it.


We purchased a PlayBar, two Play Threes, and three Play Ones. I was 
originally going to match the Play Threes with the PlayBar, but the store 
only had one in stock, so we put the single Play Three in the bedroom (where 
I was going to put a Play One. That would leave a play One for the bathroom 
and a play One for our office. The Play Ones worked so nicely with the 
PlayBar that the office was upgraded to the other Play Three. Oh, the family 
room also has the Sonos Sub. I really like this Sub. It is a brick. The 
speakers are inside and face each other. This allows for excellent deep base 
without any sub rattling. Sonos says it is because the two speakers facing 
each other cancels the rattle distortion out.


All the speakers can play the same thing, or each room can play different 
things, and changing is very easy in the app. My sighted partner absolutely 
loves the simplicity of the app. I love its accessibility.


Sonos states stereo pairs may only be created between two speakers of same 
type. So, one could use a play Three as center speaker, two Play Fives as 
front stereo speakers, and two Play Ones or Threes as surrounds, with the 
Sub for proper 5.1 sound, or one can use the PlayBar for the front with the 
Sub and surrounds. Sonos performs all the calculations for excellent sound 
internally within all the speakers. They sound quite good, and my fiancé 
says they sync perfectly with the visuals.


When we first started playing music through the surround system, the Play 
Ones were set on surround enhance mode. I changed it in the Sonos app to 
have the surrounds act as full speakers for music playback. Sonos remembers 
the change, and switches automatically depending on whether source is video 
or music. And, for set-up / video sound, it is just a digital optical cable 
from the TV to the playBar. Sonos uses the wifi in the house to create its 
own network. However, if there is no wifi network, the speakers can be 
connected together with cat5 cables.


As for sound, I have heard better speakers. A good friend has a pair which 
cost him $4,000 per speaker. Those sound fantastic. Sonos is not quite that 
good, and does not play anywhere near as loud. But, they sound better than 
anything I have owned before. They have excellent sound definition and 
excellent sound and frequency separation. Each speaker in the unit has its 
own digital amplifier, and this makes a significant difference. Also, Sonos 
regularly and automatically rolls out updates. The system updates late at 
night when not working, and they improve automatically.


Kind regards,

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +61 488 988 936
Sent from my iPhone


On 1/12/2016, at 13:59, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi, so I’m looking for the Christmas gift for my Uncle who has everything. 
I happen to know he doesn’t have a good home theater though and he likes 
his music and TV.  I was looking at the Sonos system and I’m a little 
unsure how this works.  I was looking at the play 5.  Do you need two of 
these for stereo or do you get stereo sound from 1?  Also, to do 5.1 am I 
reading on their site correctly that I’d put a play bar under the TV, run 
an optical line to that and then put to play 5 speakers in the back of the 
room?  Can I pair more than 2 say 4 if I want to simulate 7.1 or is 5.1 
the limit?  I know the app is accessibility from the list here but how is 
it for sited users, very simple?  Anything else I should get with these 
like speaker stands or how do they mount, do you need special brackets? 
Any pointers would be most appreciated.  This looks really cool actually I 
might have to get one and have another accidentally fall in to the cart. 
Can you try these out at Best Buy or other stores or they only available 
online?  Any input would be most

Re: Question about the Sonos products

[Donna Goodin]

Lol.  Well, I'm pretty sure that if I'd selected speakers that cost $100,000, 
limits would have been implemented very quickly.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Nov 30, 2016, at 7:48 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> I guess my mom was smart enough not to offer me such a graduation present. I 
> would've put her into debt for a good long time.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 5:31 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Ha! I miss those days, too.  My graduation from college present from my 
>> parents was a stereo system of my selection.  I have fond memories of going 
>> to all the different audio stores in St. Louis with my brother trying out 
>> all the different components.  Alas, I think those days are gone. :)
>> 
>> One thing I should say about my preference for the Play 1.  I wanted it for 
>> our deck, which means that those listening would be about 10 feed away.  I 
>> wanted something that would be good for us, but not make our neighbors call 
>> the police.  :)  So, my selection of the Play1 was based on it fitting that 
>> need.  Depending on your uncle's environment, that may or may not be the 
>> best choice.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 7:15 PM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ah very good I will do that.  Nice to know you can try them out.  I miss 
>>> the old days of small boutique audio stores where you could make an 
>>> appointment and try out the gear with out having to try to hear it over the 
>>> car stereo section or the piles of televisions and cooking demonstrations 
>>> etc.:). Thanks for the pointer
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Nov 30, 2016, at 8:06 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Hey Scott,
 
 I don't have the play five, so can't answer many of your questions. But 
 yes, you can try them out at Best Buy. And I will tell you that when I 
 tried them out at Best Buy, I like the sound of the play one the best. My 
 recommendation would be that before you purchase anything you go to Best 
 Buy and listen to the different options.
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Nov 30, 2016, at 6:59 PM, Scott Granados  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi, so I’m looking for the Christmas gift for my Uncle who has 
> everything.  I happen to know he doesn’t have a good home theater though 
> and he likes his music and TV.  I was looking at the Sonos system and I’m 
> a little unsure how this works.  I was looking at the play 5.  Do you 
> need two of these for stereo or do you get stereo sound from 1?  Also, to 
> do 5.1 am I reading on their site correctly that I’d put a play bar under 
> the TV, run an optical line to that and then put to play 5 speakers in 
> the back of the room?  Can I pair more than 2 say 4 if I want to simulate 
> 7.1 or is 5.1 the limit?  I know the app is accessibility from the list 
> here but how is it for sited users, very simple?  Anything else I should 
> get with these like speaker stands or how do they mount, do you need 
> special brackets?  Any pointers would be most appreciated.  This looks 
> really cool actually I might have to get one and have another 
> accidentally fall in to the cart.  Can you try these out at Best Buy or 
> other stores or they only available online?  Any input would be most 
> appreciated.
> 
> Thanks
> Scott
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Re: Question about the Sonos products

[Donna Goodin]

Oh, I'm so jealous!  I've always wanted to have my system built into the wall.  
Not sure why, it's just always seemed cool.  Although that does have the 
drawback that it's harder to change things out.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Nov 30, 2016, at 10:10 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> My mother was always fighting with me about the wires.  She loves this whole 
> new wireless revolution going on.
> 
> I used to have speakers packed to the rafters but when I moved tony first 
> house in New England I had them built in to the walls so it wasn’t nearly as 
> bad.
> 
>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 8:33 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Lol!  When my husband was in high school, he built four speakers with a 
>> friend of his.  The speakers are ginormous.  They horrify my mother, who 
>> cares a lot about what things look like.  They stand about five feet 
>> tall--my husband was and is into horns.  They pretty much dominate the room, 
>> but I've never heard a better set of speakers.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 7:20 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Oh for those days. Up until fairly recently, we had a store like that in 
>>> town. I went down there and was then sorry I did, because I so wanted the 
>>> magna planers. But there was no way they would fit in anybody's house that 
>>> cares about what things look like. I don't of course, but others do. If 
>>> you're lucky, and your Best Buy has one of those high and Magnolia rooms or 
>>> whatever they call it, you might find the Sonos in there, and that should 
>>> be a better listening experience than simply going to the home theater 
>>> section in your regular Best Buy store. Good luck with that.
>>> 
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Nov 30, 2016, at 5:15 PM, Scott Granados  
 wrote:
 
 Ah very good I will do that.  Nice to know you can try them out.  I miss 
 the old days of small boutique audio stores where you could make an 
 appointment and try out the gear with out having to try to hear it over 
 the car stereo section or the piles of televisions and cooking 
 demonstrations etc.:). Thanks for the pointer
 
 
 
> On Nov 30, 2016, at 8:06 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hey Scott,
> 
> I don't have the play five, so can't answer many of your questions. But 
> yes, you can try them out at Best Buy. And I will tell you that when I 
> tried them out at Best Buy, I like the sound of the play one the best. My 
> recommendation would be that before you purchase anything you go to Best 
> Buy and listen to the different options.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 6:59 PM, Scott Granados  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, so I’m looking for the Christmas gift for my Uncle who has 
>> everything.  I happen to know he doesn’t have a good home theater though 
>> and he likes his music and TV.  I was looking at the Sonos system and 
>> I’m a little unsure how this works.  I was looking at the play 5.  Do 
>> you need two of these for stereo or do you get stereo sound from 1?  
>> Also, to do 5.1 am I reading on their site correctly that I’d put a play 
>> bar under the TV, run an optical line to that and then put to play 5 
>> speakers in the back of the room?  Can I pair more than 2 say 4 if I 
>> want to simulate 7.1 or is 5.1 the limit?  I know the app is 
>> accessibility from the list here but how is it for sited users, very 
>> simple?  Anything else I should get with these like speaker stands or 
>> how do they mount, do you need special brackets?  Any pointers would be 
>> most appreciated.  This looks really cool actually I might have to get 
>> one and have another accidentally fall in to the cart.  Can you try 
>> these out at Best Buy or other stores or they only available online?  
>> Any input would be most appreciated.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Scott
>> 
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Re: Question about the Sonos products

[Donna Goodin]

Lol.  No, I couldn't do that.  She's very cool, and very nice, but she's 80 
years old.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Dec 1, 2016, at 2:45 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> 
> Screw the neighbours,
> 
> You surely can play your audio in your own way?
> 
> I have 4 play one speakers in my living room and one in my bedroom 
> I normally sit out side in the sun on a nice day and share my music with the 
> neighbourhood 
> 
>  Matellica, iron maidan 
> Aero smith, pink Floyd
> AC DC  
> You name it and it's loud 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Thursday, 1 December 2016 2:34 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Question about the Sonos products
> 
> Lol!  When my husband was in high school, he built four speakers with a 
> friend of his.  The speakers are ginormous.  They horrify my mother, who 
> cares a lot about what things look like.  They stand about five feet tall--my 
> husband was and is into horns.  They pretty much dominate the room, but I've 
> never heard a better set of speakers.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 7:20 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Oh for those days. Up until fairly recently, we had a store like that in 
>> town. I went down there and was then sorry I did, because I so wanted the 
>> magna planers. But there was no way they would fit in anybody's house that 
>> cares about what things look like. I don't of course, but others do. If 
>> you're lucky, and your Best Buy has one of those high and Magnolia rooms or 
>> whatever they call it, you might find the Sonos in there, and that should be 
>> a better listening experience than simply going to the home theater section 
>> in your regular Best Buy store. Good luck with that.
>> 
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 5:15 PM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ah very good I will do that.  Nice to know you can try them out.  I miss 
>>> the old days of small boutique audio stores where you could make an 
>>> appointment and try out the gear with out having to try to hear it over the 
>>> car stereo section or the piles of televisions and cooking demonstrations 
>>> etc.:). Thanks for the pointer
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 8:06 PM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hey Scott,
>>>> 
>>>> I don't have the play five, so can't answer many of your questions. But 
>>>> yes, you can try them out at Best Buy. And I will tell you that when I 
>>>> tried them out at Best Buy, I like the sound of the play one the best. My 
>>>> recommendation would be that before you purchase anything you go to Best 
>>>> Buy and listen to the different options.
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Donna
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 6:59 PM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi, so I’m looking for the Christmas gift for my Uncle who has 
>>>>> everything.  I happen to know he doesn’t have a good home theater though 
>>>>> and he likes his music and TV.  I was looking at the Sonos system and I’m 
>>>>> a little unsure how this works.  I was looking at the play 5.  Do you 
>>>>> need two of these for stereo or do you get stereo sound from 1?  Also, to 
>>>>> do 5.1 am I reading on their site correctly that I’d put a play bar under 
>>>>> the TV, run an optical line to that and then put to play 5 speakers in 
>>>>> the back of the room?  Can I pair more than 2 say 4 if I want to simulate 
>>>>> 7.1 or is 5.1 the limit?  I know the app is accessibility from the list 
>>>>> here but how is it for sited users, very simple?  Anything else I should 
>>>>> get with these like speaker stands or how do they mount, do you need 
>>>>> special brackets?  Any pointers would be most appreciated.  This looks 
>>>>> really cool actually I might have to get one and have another 
>>>>> accidentally fall in to the cart.  Can you try these out at Best Buy or 
>>>>> other stores or they only available online?  Any input would be most 
>>>>> appreciated.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks
>&

Re: Question about the Sonos products

[Donna Goodin]

This is really interesting.  When my husband and I checked out the Sonos 
options at BestBuy, we both thought the three and the five sounded pretty lousy 
in comparison to the one.  Given that you and David both liked them so much, 
I'm wondering if it was just something about the environment at BestBuy.  May 
have to go check them out again.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Dec 1, 2016, at 2:38 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Scott,
> 
> Yes all of the above.
> 
> Two play fives would be better,
> But in my head it would be the play bar at the front center and then a play 
> five in each front corner,
> 
> Then put a set of play ones or play 3 in the rear corners 
> So you have a 5 speaker setup,
> 
> If you want a .1 then you'll need the sub woofer as well.
> 
> But you could get away quite nicely with the play fives and the play bar  by 
> themselves,
> 
> Put the fives in the rear corners and the bar as you said under the tv will 
> give you a pretty dam good surround sound 
> 
> As for speaker stands,
> I've not seen one for the sonos speakers and they are a crazy shape to put on 
> a stand,more of a rectangular box slightly wedged towards the back of the 
> speaker.
> 
> Each speaker needs a power socket to by the way,
> 
> As for use by a sighted person,
> 
> Hell if we have no trouble then he'd have no trouble.
> 
> I'd highly suggest if it was possible 
> Go in to your nearest sonos sales store and take a selection of music and get 
> them to show you the speakers in action with the configuration your thinking 
> of 
> 
> That way you get an idea of the real sounds from the speaker units.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Thursday, 1 December 2016 2:00 PM
> To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Question about the Sonos products
> 
> Hi, so I’m looking for the Christmas gift for my Uncle who has everything.  I 
> happen to know he doesn’t have a good home theater though and he likes his 
> music and TV.  I was looking at the Sonos system and I’m a little unsure how 
> this works.  I was looking at the play 5.  Do you need two of these for 
> stereo or do you get stereo sound from 1?  Also, to do 5.1 am I reading on 
> their site correctly that I’d put a play bar under the TV, run an optical 
> line to that and then put to play 5 speakers in the back of the room?  Can I 
> pair more than 2 say 4 if I want to simulate 7.1 or is 5.1 the limit?  I know 
> the app is accessibility from the list here but how is it for sited users, 
> very simple?  Anything else I should get with these like speaker stands or 
> how do they mount, do you need special brackets?  Any pointers would be most 
> appreciated.  This looks really cool actually I might have to get one and 
> have another accidentally fall in to the cart.  Can you try these out at Best 
> Buy or other stores or they only available online?  Any input would be most 
> appreciated.
> 
> Thanks
> Scott
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Re: Question about the Sonos products

[David Chittenden]

I searched for Sonos speaker stand on eBay..

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
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> On 1/12/2016, at 21:52, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> David,
> 
> Do you have a name for some of the speaker stands for the play ones?
> 
> I'm looking for stands or even better wal brackets.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden
> Sent: Thursday, 1 December 2016 3:42 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Question about the Sonos products
> 
> I almost forgot, the speakers can stand on any surface. I will eventually 
> purchase small speaker stands for the play One surrounds as the current 
> tables put them two low in relation to the couch.
> 
> They can be purchased online, at Best Buy, or many other retailers. And 
> Amazon sells them, of course.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 1/12/2016, at 13:59, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, so I’m looking for the Christmas gift for my Uncle who has everything.  
>> I happen to know he doesn’t have a good home theater though and he likes his 
>> music and TV.  I was looking at the Sonos system and I’m a little unsure how 
>> this works.  I was looking at the play 5.  Do you need two of these for 
>> stereo or do you get stereo sound from 1?  Also, to do 5.1 am I reading on 
>> their site correctly that I’d put a play bar under the TV, run an optical 
>> line to that and then put to play 5 speakers in the back of the room?  Can I 
>> pair more than 2 say 4 if I want to simulate 7.1 or is 5.1 the limit?  I 
>> know the app is accessibility from the list here but how is it for sited 
>> users, very simple?  Anything else I should get with these like speaker 
>> stands or how do they mount, do you need special brackets?  Any pointers 
>> would be most appreciated.  This looks really cool actually I might have to 
>> get one and have another accidentally fall in to the cart.  Can you try 
>> these out at Best Buy or other stores or they only available online?  Any 
>> input would be most appreciated.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Scott
>> 
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Re: Question about the Sonos products

[David Chittenden]

I suspect it should work. You could always send a query to Sonos.

Kind regards,

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 1/12/2016, at 21:51, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> Hey David,
> 
> The sub woofer is a beast yes,
> 
> I was looking at the next step for my sound system and whether or not I could 
> have the play bar and 2 subs 
> 
> See if it would work, no one can tell me 
> 
> But yeah they are bloody easy to setup and use,
> 
> Add more units to a room and then pair each pair together 
> If you play them all as one synced room the sound is syncing perfectly,
> If theaudio comes through different speakers in different rooms then there 
> will be a delay.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden
> Sent: Thursday, 1 December 2016 3:39 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Question about the Sonos products
> 
> Hi Scott,
> 
> We recently set up a Sonos system.
> 
> The Play One is a small speaker. It can do basic stereo sound, or it can work 
> as part of a pair, or as part of a 5.1 surround system. I am not sure about 
> part of a 7.1 system, and Sonos does not yet do upmos for vertical spacial 
> hearing.
> The Play Three and Play 5 can both also function as either a stereo speaker 
> (laid horizontally,, or as the individual side of a stereo pair (laid 
> vertically). Just set it up in the Sonos app.
> 
> My fiancé wanted to hire someone to set up the system, so I agreed that if I 
> could not figure it out fairly quickly, we would bring in an installer. I am 
> good with this sort of thing, but set-up is so simple that she could do it.
> 
> We purchased a PlayBar, two Play Threes, and three Play Ones. I was 
> originally going to match the Play Threes with the PlayBar, but the store 
> only had one in stock, so we put the single Play Three in the bedroom (where 
> I was going to put a Play One. That would leave a play One for the bathroom 
> and a play One for our office. The Play Ones worked so nicely with the 
> PlayBar that the office was upgraded to the other Play Three. Oh, the family 
> room also has the Sonos Sub. I really like this Sub. It is a brick. The 
> speakers are inside and face each other. This allows for excellent deep base 
> without any sub rattling. Sonos says it is because the two speakers facing 
> each other cancels the rattle distortion out.
> 
> All the speakers can play the same thing, or each room can play different 
> things, and changing is very easy in the app. My sighted partner absolutely 
> loves the simplicity of the app. I love its accessibility.
> 
> Sonos states stereo pairs may only be created between two speakers of same 
> type. So, one could use a play Three as center speaker, two Play Fives as 
> front stereo speakers, and two Play Ones or Threes as surrounds, with the Sub 
> for proper 5.1 sound, or one can use the PlayBar for the front with the Sub 
> and surrounds. Sonos performs all the calculations for excellent sound 
> internally within all the speakers. They sound quite good, and my fiancé says 
> they sync perfectly with the visuals.
> 
> When we first started playing music through the surround system, the Play 
> Ones were set on surround enhance mode. I changed it in the Sonos app to have 
> the surrounds act as full speakers for music playback. Sonos remembers the 
> change, and switches automatically depending on whether source is video or 
> music. And, for set-up / video sound, it is just a digital optical cable from 
> the TV to the playBar. Sonos uses the wifi in the house to create its own 
> network. However, if there is no wifi network, the speakers can be connected 
> together with cat5 cables.
> 
> As for sound, I have heard better speakers. A good friend has a pair which 
> cost him $4,000 per speaker. Those sound fantastic. Sonos is not quite that 
> good, and does not play anywhere near as loud. But, they sound better than 
> anything I have owned before. They have excellent sound definition and 
> excellent sound and frequency separation. Each speaker in the unit has its 
> own digital amplifier, and this makes a significant difference. Also, Sonos 
> regularly and automatically rolls out updates. The system updates late at 
> night when not working, and they improve automatically.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 1/12/2016, at 13:59, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, so I’m looking for the Christ

Re: Question about the Sonos products

[David Chittenden]

Well, we have not noticed a delay from one end of the house to the other.

Partner has decided she wants the play threes to be the surrounds, so am now. I 
am reconfiguring now.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 1/12/2016, at 21:51, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> Hey David,
> 
> The sub woofer is a beast yes,
> 
> I was looking at the next step for my sound system and whether or not I could 
> have the play bar and 2 subs 
> 
> See if it would work, no one can tell me 
> 
> But yeah they are bloody easy to setup and use,
> 
> Add more units to a room and then pair each pair together 
> If you play them all as one synced room the sound is syncing perfectly,
> If theaudio comes through different speakers in different rooms then there 
> will be a delay.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden
> Sent: Thursday, 1 December 2016 3:39 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Question about the Sonos products
> 
> Hi Scott,
> 
> We recently set up a Sonos system.
> 
> The Play One is a small speaker. It can do basic stereo sound, or it can work 
> as part of a pair, or as part of a 5.1 surround system. I am not sure about 
> part of a 7.1 system, and Sonos does not yet do upmos for vertical spacial 
> hearing.
> The Play Three and Play 5 can both also function as either a stereo speaker 
> (laid horizontally,, or as the individual side of a stereo pair (laid 
> vertically). Just set it up in the Sonos app.
> 
> My fiancé wanted to hire someone to set up the system, so I agreed that if I 
> could not figure it out fairly quickly, we would bring in an installer. I am 
> good with this sort of thing, but set-up is so simple that she could do it.
> 
> We purchased a PlayBar, two Play Threes, and three Play Ones. I was 
> originally going to match the Play Threes with the PlayBar, but the store 
> only had one in stock, so we put the single Play Three in the bedroom (where 
> I was going to put a Play One. That would leave a play One for the bathroom 
> and a play One for our office. The Play Ones worked so nicely with the 
> PlayBar that the office was upgraded to the other Play Three. Oh, the family 
> room also has the Sonos Sub. I really like this Sub. It is a brick. The 
> speakers are inside and face each other. This allows for excellent deep base 
> without any sub rattling. Sonos says it is because the two speakers facing 
> each other cancels the rattle distortion out.
> 
> All the speakers can play the same thing, or each room can play different 
> things, and changing is very easy in the app. My sighted partner absolutely 
> loves the simplicity of the app. I love its accessibility.
> 
> Sonos states stereo pairs may only be created between two speakers of same 
> type. So, one could use a play Three as center speaker, two Play Fives as 
> front stereo speakers, and two Play Ones or Threes as surrounds, with the Sub 
> for proper 5.1 sound, or one can use the PlayBar for the front with the Sub 
> and surrounds. Sonos performs all the calculations for excellent sound 
> internally within all the speakers. They sound quite good, and my fiancé says 
> they sync perfectly with the visuals.
> 
> When we first started playing music through the surround system, the Play 
> Ones were set on surround enhance mode. I changed it in the Sonos app to have 
> the surrounds act as full speakers for music playback. Sonos remembers the 
> change, and switches automatically depending on whether source is video or 
> music. And, for set-up / video sound, it is just a digital optical cable from 
> the TV to the playBar. Sonos uses the wifi in the house to create its own 
> network. However, if there is no wifi network, the speakers can be connected 
> together with cat5 cables.
> 
> As for sound, I have heard better speakers. A good friend has a pair which 
> cost him $4,000 per speaker. Those sound fantastic. Sonos is not quite that 
> good, and does not play anywhere near as loud. But, they sound better than 
> anything I have owned before. They have excellent sound definition and 
> excellent sound and frequency separation. Each speaker in the unit has its 
> own digital amplifier, and this makes a significant difference. Also, Sonos 
> regularly and automatically rolls out updates. The system updates late at 
> night when not working, and they improve automatically.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 1/12/2016, at 13:59, Scott Gran

RE: Question about the Sonos products

[Simon Fogarty]

David,

 Do you have a name for some of the speaker stands for the play ones?

 I'm looking for stands or even better wal brackets.


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of David Chittenden
Sent: Thursday, 1 December 2016 3:42 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question about the Sonos products

I almost forgot, the speakers can stand on any surface. I will eventually 
purchase small speaker stands for the play One surrounds as the current tables 
put them two low in relation to the couch.

They can be purchased online, at Best Buy, or many other retailers. And Amazon 
sells them, of course.

Kind regards,

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +61 488 988 936
Sent from my iPhone

> On 1/12/2016, at 13:59, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi, so I’m looking for the Christmas gift for my Uncle who has everything.  I 
> happen to know he doesn’t have a good home theater though and he likes his 
> music and TV.  I was looking at the Sonos system and I’m a little unsure how 
> this works.  I was looking at the play 5.  Do you need two of these for 
> stereo or do you get stereo sound from 1?  Also, to do 5.1 am I reading on 
> their site correctly that I’d put a play bar under the TV, run an optical 
> line to that and then put to play 5 speakers in the back of the room?  Can I 
> pair more than 2 say 4 if I want to simulate 7.1 or is 5.1 the limit?  I know 
> the app is accessibility from the list here but how is it for sited users, 
> very simple?  Anything else I should get with these like speaker stands or 
> how do they mount, do you need special brackets?  Any pointers would be most 
> appreciated.  This looks really cool actually I might have to get one and 
> have another accidentally fall in to the cart.  Can you try these out at Best 
> Buy or other stores or they only available online?  Any input would be most 
> appreciated.
> 
> Thanks
> Scott
> 
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RE: Question about the Sonos products

[Simon Fogarty]

Hey David,

 The sub woofer is a beast yes,

 I was looking at the next step for my sound system and whether or not I could 
have the play bar and 2 subs 

 See if it would work, no one can tell me 

 But yeah they are bloody easy to setup and use,

 Add more units to a room and then pair each pair together 
If you play them all as one synced room the sound is syncing perfectly,
If theaudio comes through different speakers in different rooms then there will 
be a delay.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of David Chittenden
Sent: Thursday, 1 December 2016 3:39 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question about the Sonos products

Hi Scott,

We recently set up a Sonos system.

The Play One is a small speaker. It can do basic stereo sound, or it can work 
as part of a pair, or as part of a 5.1 surround system. I am not sure about 
part of a 7.1 system, and Sonos does not yet do upmos for vertical spacial 
hearing.
The Play Three and Play 5 can both also function as either a stereo speaker 
(laid horizontally,, or as the individual side of a stereo pair (laid 
vertically). Just set it up in the Sonos app.

My fiancé wanted to hire someone to set up the system, so I agreed that if I 
could not figure it out fairly quickly, we would bring in an installer. I am 
good with this sort of thing, but set-up is so simple that she could do it.

We purchased a PlayBar, two Play Threes, and three Play Ones. I was originally 
going to match the Play Threes with the PlayBar, but the store only had one in 
stock, so we put the single Play Three in the bedroom (where I was going to put 
a Play One. That would leave a play One for the bathroom and a play One for our 
office. The Play Ones worked so nicely with the PlayBar that the office was 
upgraded to the other Play Three. Oh, the family room also has the Sonos Sub. I 
really like this Sub. It is a brick. The speakers are inside and face each 
other. This allows for excellent deep base without any sub rattling. Sonos says 
it is because the two speakers facing each other cancels the rattle distortion 
out.

All the speakers can play the same thing, or each room can play different 
things, and changing is very easy in the app. My sighted partner absolutely 
loves the simplicity of the app. I love its accessibility.

Sonos states stereo pairs may only be created between two speakers of same 
type. So, one could use a play Three as center speaker, two Play Fives as front 
stereo speakers, and two Play Ones or Threes as surrounds, with the Sub for 
proper 5.1 sound, or one can use the PlayBar for the front with the Sub and 
surrounds. Sonos performs all the calculations for excellent sound internally 
within all the speakers. They sound quite good, and my fiancé says they sync 
perfectly with the visuals.

When we first started playing music through the surround system, the Play Ones 
were set on surround enhance mode. I changed it in the Sonos app to have the 
surrounds act as full speakers for music playback. Sonos remembers the change, 
and switches automatically depending on whether source is video or music. And, 
for set-up / video sound, it is just a digital optical cable from the TV to the 
playBar. Sonos uses the wifi in the house to create its own network. However, 
if there is no wifi network, the speakers can be connected together with cat5 
cables.

As for sound, I have heard better speakers. A good friend has a pair which cost 
him $4,000 per speaker. Those sound fantastic. Sonos is not quite that good, 
and does not play anywhere near as loud. But, they sound better than anything I 
have owned before. They have excellent sound definition and excellent sound and 
frequency separation. Each speaker in the unit has its own digital amplifier, 
and this makes a significant difference. Also, Sonos regularly and 
automatically rolls out updates. The system updates late at night when not 
working, and they improve automatically.

Kind regards,

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +61 488 988 936
Sent from my iPhone

> On 1/12/2016, at 13:59, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi, so I’m looking for the Christmas gift for my Uncle who has everything.  I 
> happen to know he doesn’t have a good home theater though and he likes his 
> music and TV.  I was looking at the Sonos system and I’m a little unsure how 
> this works.  I was looking at the play 5.  Do you need two of these for 
> stereo or do you get stereo sound from 1?  Also, to do 5.1 am I reading on 
> their site correctly that I’d put a play bar under the TV, run an optical 
> line to that and then put to play 5 speakers in the back of the room?  Can I 
> pair more than 2 say 4 if I want to simulate 7.1 or is 5.1 the limit?  I know 
> the app is accessibility from the list here but how is it for sited users, 
>

RE: Question about the Sonos products

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Donna,

 Screw the neighbours,

 You surely can play your audio in your own way?

 I have 4 play one speakers in my living room and one in my bedroom 
 I normally sit out side in the sun on a nice day and share my music with the 
neighbourhood 

  Matellica, iron maidan 
Aero smith, pink Floyd
AC DC  
You name it and it's loud 

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Thursday, 1 December 2016 2:34 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question about the Sonos products

Lol!  When my husband was in high school, he built four speakers with a friend 
of his.  The speakers are ginormous.  They horrify my mother, who cares a lot 
about what things look like.  They stand about five feet tall--my husband was 
and is into horns.  They pretty much dominate the room, but I've never heard a 
better set of speakers.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Nov 30, 2016, at 7:20 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Oh for those days. Up until fairly recently, we had a store like that in 
> town. I went down there and was then sorry I did, because I so wanted the 
> magna planers. But there was no way they would fit in anybody's house that 
> cares about what things look like. I don't of course, but others do. If 
> you're lucky, and your Best Buy has one of those high and Magnolia rooms or 
> whatever they call it, you might find the Sonos in there, and that should be 
> a better listening experience than simply going to the home theater section 
> in your regular Best Buy store. Good luck with that.
> 
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 5:15 PM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Ah very good I will do that.  Nice to know you can try them out.  I miss the 
>> old days of small boutique audio stores where you could make an appointment 
>> and try out the gear with out having to try to hear it over the car stereo 
>> section or the piles of televisions and cooking demonstrations etc.:). 
>> Thanks for the pointer
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 8:06 PM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey Scott,
>>> 
>>> I don't have the play five, so can't answer many of your questions. But 
>>> yes, you can try them out at Best Buy. And I will tell you that when I 
>>> tried them out at Best Buy, I like the sound of the play one the best. My 
>>> recommendation would be that before you purchase anything you go to Best 
>>> Buy and listen to the different options.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 6:59 PM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi, so I’m looking for the Christmas gift for my Uncle who has everything. 
>>>>  I happen to know he doesn’t have a good home theater though and he likes 
>>>> his music and TV.  I was looking at the Sonos system and I’m a little 
>>>> unsure how this works.  I was looking at the play 5.  Do you need two of 
>>>> these for stereo or do you get stereo sound from 1?  Also, to do 5.1 am I 
>>>> reading on their site correctly that I’d put a play bar under the TV, run 
>>>> an optical line to that and then put to play 5 speakers in the back of the 
>>>> room?  Can I pair more than 2 say 4 if I want to simulate 7.1 or is 5.1 
>>>> the limit?  I know the app is accessibility from the list here but how is 
>>>> it for sited users, very simple?  Anything else I should get with these 
>>>> like speaker stands or how do they mount, do you need special brackets?  
>>>> Any pointers would be most appreciated.  This looks really cool actually I 
>>>> might have to get one and have another accidentally fall in to the cart.  
>>>> Can you try these out at Best Buy or other stores or they only available 
>>>> online?  Any input would be most appreciated.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Scott
>>>> 
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RE: Question about the Sonos products

[Simon Fogarty]

Oh Yeah scott,
 The play ones you can pair up to like 32 units in one place.

 The threes and fives  I think are something similar,

 Yes also to have two devices in a stereo pair that way your keeping things in 
order.

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On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Thursday, 1 December 2016 2:13 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question about the Sonos products

Hi Scott, like Donna, I also don't have this system. But from what I have read, 
you want the sound bar and the sub and a pair of either play ones or play 
threes for your surround. Play five in that setting would be overkill. 
According to what I read, you cannot set up the play five as a surround pair 
and then also use them as a stereo pair, if all you want to do is play music 
through them. So, best to go for something smaller for your surrounds.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 30, 2016, at 4:59 PM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi, so I’m looking for the Christmas gift for my Uncle who has everything.  I 
> happen to know he doesn’t have a good home theater though and he likes his 
> music and TV.  I was looking at the Sonos system and I’m a little unsure how 
> this works.  I was looking at the play 5.  Do you need two of these for 
> stereo or do you get stereo sound from 1?  Also, to do 5.1 am I reading on 
> their site correctly that I’d put a play bar under the TV, run an optical 
> line to that and then put to play 5 speakers in the back of the room?  Can I 
> pair more than 2 say 4 if I want to simulate 7.1 or is 5.1 the limit?  I know 
> the app is accessibility from the list here but how is it for sited users, 
> very simple?  Anything else I should get with these like speaker stands or 
> how do they mount, do you need special brackets?  Any pointers would be most 
> appreciated.  This looks really cool actually I might have to get one and 
> have another accidentally fall in to the cart.  Can you try these out at Best 
> Buy or other stores or they only available online?  Any input would be most 
> appreciated.
> 
> Thanks
> Scott
> 
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RE: Question about the Sonos products

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Scott,

 Yes all of the above.

 Two play fives would be better,
 But in my head it would be the play bar at the front center and then a play 
five in each front corner,

 Then put a set of play ones or play 3 in the rear corners 
So you have a 5 speaker setup,

 If you want a .1 then you'll need the sub woofer as well.

 But you could get away quite nicely with the play fives and the play bar  by 
themselves,

 Put the fives in the rear corners and the bar as you said under the tv will 
give you a pretty dam good surround sound 

 As for speaker stands,
I've not seen one for the sonos speakers and they are a crazy shape to put on a 
stand,more of a rectangular box slightly wedged towards the back of the speaker.

Each speaker needs a power socket to by the way,

 As for use by a sighted person,

 Hell if we have no trouble then he'd have no trouble.

I'd highly suggest if it was possible 
Go in to your nearest sonos sales store and take a selection of music and get 
them to show you the speakers in action with the configuration your thinking of 

That way you get an idea of the real sounds from the speaker units.



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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Thursday, 1 December 2016 2:00 PM
To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Question about the Sonos products

Hi, so I’m looking for the Christmas gift for my Uncle who has everything.  I 
happen to know he doesn’t have a good home theater though and he likes his 
music and TV.  I was looking at the Sonos system and I’m a little unsure how 
this works.  I was looking at the play 5.  Do you need two of these for stereo 
or do you get stereo sound from 1?  Also, to do 5.1 am I reading on their site 
correctly that I’d put a play bar under the TV, run an optical line to that and 
then put to play 5 speakers in the back of the room?  Can I pair more than 2 
say 4 if I want to simulate 7.1 or is 5.1 the limit?  I know the app is 
accessibility from the list here but how is it for sited users, very simple?  
Anything else I should get with these like speaker stands or how do they mount, 
do you need special brackets?  Any pointers would be most appreciated.  This 
looks really cool actually I might have to get one and have another 
accidentally fall in to the cart.  Can you try these out at Best Buy or other 
stores or they only available online?  Any input would be most appreciated.

Thanks
Scott

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Re: Question about the Sonos products

[Mary Otten]

Adcom power amp, Carver preamp, oh well. Gone are the days. The power amp still 
lives, but the Carver preamp died a few years ago and was replaced with an 
inferior model I'm afraid. I guess I wish I had all the money I spent back then 
on systems I no longer have, so I could easily afford some of these nice things 
like the new Sonos gear. On the other hand, if I could have my old Carver 
analog, believe it or not, time delay system that is probably 25 or 30 years or 
maybe more now in the past, I would take it in a heartbeat.

Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 30, 2016, at 8:22 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Adcom, wow that brings back good memories.  I remember them.  I was a Krell 
> man when I had the money and before that I was an Aregon Amplifiers guy but 
> Adcom was good stuff.  They had the top end of the consumer audio chain 
> stores like Tweeter.  I think they are still around, if not I know there is a 
> lot of their gear on Ebay.  I notice a lot of the super high end guys are 
> gone now.  Thor Audio and Enlightened Audio seem to be a thing of the past.  
> Thor Audio had a digital to analog convertor built out of vacuum tubes and 
> they would help you source a small atomic clock for your digital timing (word 
> clock).  That was a little excessive to me, but not much.;)
> 
>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 11:18 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> I still have a pair of Mirage speakers that I bought more years ago and I 
>> care to remember. They are now downstairs, not getting used nearly enough, 
>> but they are still wonderful. They're also big. And when the Adcom I have a 
>> running them blows up, which I suppose it will eventually do, I'm not sure 
>> what I will do about that.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 8:09 PM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I had a pair of these, Martin Logans I believe.  They were like tall 
>>> ribbons with a small base box at the bottom.  They required a lot of power 
>>> to light up the plates in them as well.  This was before I moved to 
>>> California.  I had a Krell KSA160 amplifier and matching preamp and then 
>>> when I moved to surround sound I went with an Enlightened audio design 
>>> signature series amplifier / preamp / surround decoder and a Vidikron 
>>> television projector with a Stewart screen.  The speakers were Mirage 
>>> speakers.  When I moved to California and since I’ve worked with a Denon 
>>> AVR 5803 receiver with Klipsch Lascala’s for speakers.  Since I’ve been 
>>> living in town houses and such though I’ve gone with much leaner hardware 
>>> because I’m not trying to blow my neighbors out of their homes.  The Class 
>>> A stuff I had peeked at over 1500 watts with a much lower sustained amount 
>>> something in the 100 per channel range but my Denon class B cranked out 9 
>>> channels of about 200 watts each, not sure what they peeked at.  For a 
>>> receiver the Denon wasn’t bad at all I liked it because it was web 
>>> configurable although the remote was very inaccessible but I could use a 
>>> universal to replace the remote features.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Nov 30, 2016, at 8:50 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
 
 When I was in high school, I had a friend who had this humongous pair of 
 electrostatic speakers. If you've never seen them, they're very thin, but 
 they are big, tall and wide. They sounded amazing. But not only were they 
 expensive, the decor of the room would be well, just the speakers. Not 
 something the average mom is going to go for.
 Mary
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Nov 30, 2016, at 5:33 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Lol!  When my husband was in high school, he built four speakers with a 
> friend of his.  The speakers are ginormous.  They horrify my mother, who 
> cares a lot about what things look like.  They stand about five feet 
> tall--my husband was and is into horns.  They pretty much dominate the 
> room, but I've never heard a better set of speakers.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 7:20 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Oh for those days. Up until fairly recently, we had a store like that in 
>> town. I went down there and was then sorry I did, because I so wanted 
>> the magna planers. But there was no way they would fit in anybody's 
>> house that cares about what things look like. I don't of course, but 
>> others do. If you're lucky, and your Best Buy has one of those high and 
>> Magnolia rooms or whatever they call it, you might find the Sonos in 
>> there, and that should be a better listening experience than simply 
>> going to the home theater section in your regular Best Buy store. Good 
>> luck with that.
>> 
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 

Re: Question about the Sonos products

[Scott Granados]

Adcom, wow that brings back good memories.  I remember them.  I was a Krell man 
when I had the money and before that I was an Aregon Amplifiers guy but Adcom 
was good stuff.  They had the top end of the consumer audio chain stores like 
Tweeter.  I think they are still around, if not I know there is a lot of their 
gear on Ebay.  I notice a lot of the super high end guys are gone now.  Thor 
Audio and Enlightened Audio seem to be a thing of the past.  Thor Audio had a 
digital to analog convertor built out of vacuum tubes and they would help you 
source a small atomic clock for your digital timing (word clock).  That was a 
little excessive to me, but not much.;)

> On Nov 30, 2016, at 11:18 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> I still have a pair of Mirage speakers that I bought more years ago and I 
> care to remember. They are now downstairs, not getting used nearly enough, 
> but they are still wonderful. They're also big. And when the Adcom I have a 
> running them blows up, which I suppose it will eventually do, I'm not sure 
> what I will do about that.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 8:09 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> I had a pair of these, Martin Logans I believe.  They were like tall ribbons 
>> with a small base box at the bottom.  They required a lot of power to light 
>> up the plates in them as well.  This was before I moved to California.  I 
>> had a Krell KSA160 amplifier and matching preamp and then when I moved to 
>> surround sound I went with an Enlightened audio design signature series 
>> amplifier / preamp / surround decoder and a Vidikron television projector 
>> with a Stewart screen.  The speakers were Mirage speakers.  When I moved to 
>> California and since I’ve worked with a Denon AVR 5803 receiver with Klipsch 
>> Lascala’s for speakers.  Since I’ve been living in town houses and such 
>> though I’ve gone with much leaner hardware because I’m not trying to blow my 
>> neighbors out of their homes.  The Class A stuff I had peeked at over 1500 
>> watts with a much lower sustained amount something in the 100 per channel 
>> range but my Denon class B cranked out 9 channels of about 200 watts each, 
>> not sure what they peeked at.  For a receiver the Denon wasn’t bad at all I 
>> liked it because it was web configurable although the remote was very 
>> inaccessible but I could use a universal to replace the remote features.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 8:50 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> When I was in high school, I had a friend who had this humongous pair of 
>>> electrostatic speakers. If you've never seen them, they're very thin, but 
>>> they are big, tall and wide. They sounded amazing. But not only were they 
>>> expensive, the decor of the room would be well, just the speakers. Not 
>>> something the average mom is going to go for.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Nov 30, 2016, at 5:33 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Lol!  When my husband was in high school, he built four speakers with a 
 friend of his.  The speakers are ginormous.  They horrify my mother, who 
 cares a lot about what things look like.  They stand about five feet 
 tall--my husband was and is into horns.  They pretty much dominate the 
 room, but I've never heard a better set of speakers.
 Cheers,
 Donna
> On Nov 30, 2016, at 7:20 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Oh for those days. Up until fairly recently, we had a store like that in 
> town. I went down there and was then sorry I did, because I so wanted the 
> magna planers. But there was no way they would fit in anybody's house 
> that cares about what things look like. I don't of course, but others do. 
> If you're lucky, and your Best Buy has one of those high and Magnolia 
> rooms or whatever they call it, you might find the Sonos in there, and 
> that should be a better listening experience than simply going to the 
> home theater section in your regular Best Buy store. Good luck with that.
> 
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 5:15 PM, Scott Granados  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Ah very good I will do that.  Nice to know you can try them out.  I miss 
>> the old days of small boutique audio stores where you could make an 
>> appointment and try out the gear with out having to try to hear it over 
>> the car stereo section or the piles of televisions and cooking 
>> demonstrations etc.:). Thanks for the pointer
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 8:06 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey Scott,
>>> 
>>> I don't have the play five, so can't answer many of your questions. But 
>>> yes, you can try them out at Best Buy. And I will tell you that when I 
>>> tried them out 

Re: Question about the Sonos products

[Scott Granados]

David, this sounds like a great way to go.  I’m going to try to give these a 
shot in the store but I think I will go this route for him.  Sounds like it 
would be perfect for a large Condo.

Thank you for the detailed information as always.  Very much appreciated.

> On Nov 30, 2016, at 9:38 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
> 
> Hi Scott,
> 
> We recently set up a Sonos system.
> 
> The Play One is a small speaker. It can do basic stereo sound, or it can work 
> as part of a pair, or as part of a 5.1 surround system. I am not sure about 
> part of a 7.1 system, and Sonos does not yet do upmos for vertical spacial 
> hearing.
> The Play Three and Play 5 can both also function as either a stereo speaker 
> (laid horizontally,, or as the individual side of a stereo pair (laid 
> vertically). Just set it up in the Sonos app.
> 
> My fiancé wanted to hire someone to set up the system, so I agreed that if I 
> could not figure it out fairly quickly, we would bring in an installer. I am 
> good with this sort of thing, but set-up is so simple that she could do it.
> 
> We purchased a PlayBar, two Play Threes, and three Play Ones. I was 
> originally going to match the Play Threes with the PlayBar, but the store 
> only had one in stock, so we put the single Play Three in the bedroom (where 
> I was going to put a Play One. That would leave a play One for the bathroom 
> and a play One for our office. The Play Ones worked so nicely with the 
> PlayBar that the office was upgraded to the other Play Three. Oh, the family 
> room also has the Sonos Sub. I really like this Sub. It is a brick. The 
> speakers are inside and face each other. This allows for excellent deep base 
> without any sub rattling. Sonos says it is because the two speakers facing 
> each other cancels the rattle distortion out.
> 
> All the speakers can play the same thing, or each room can play different 
> things, and changing is very easy in the app. My sighted partner absolutely 
> loves the simplicity of the app. I love its accessibility.
> 
> Sonos states stereo pairs may only be created between two speakers of same 
> type. So, one could use a play Three as center speaker, two Play Fives as 
> front stereo speakers, and two Play Ones or Threes as surrounds, with the Sub 
> for proper 5.1 sound, or one can use the PlayBar for the front with the Sub 
> and surrounds. Sonos performs all the calculations for excellent sound 
> internally within all the speakers. They sound quite good, and my fiancé says 
> they sync perfectly with the visuals.
> 
> When we first started playing music through the surround system, the Play 
> Ones were set on surround enhance mode. I changed it in the Sonos app to have 
> the surrounds act as full speakers for music playback. Sonos remembers the 
> change, and switches automatically depending on whether source is video or 
> music. And, for set-up / video sound, it is just a digital optical cable from 
> the TV to the playBar. Sonos uses the wifi in the house to create its own 
> network. However, if there is no wifi network, the speakers can be connected 
> together with cat5 cables.
> 
> As for sound, I have heard better speakers. A good friend has a pair which 
> cost him $4,000 per speaker. Those sound fantastic. Sonos is not quite that 
> good, and does not play anywhere near as loud. But, they sound better than 
> anything I have owned before. They have excellent sound definition and 
> excellent sound and frequency separation. Each speaker in the unit has its 
> own digital amplifier, and this makes a significant difference. Also, Sonos 
> regularly and automatically rolls out updates. The system updates late at 
> night when not working, and they improve automatically.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 1/12/2016, at 13:59, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, so I’m looking for the Christmas gift for my Uncle who has everything.  
>> I happen to know he doesn’t have a good home theater though and he likes his 
>> music and TV.  I was looking at the Sonos system and I’m a little unsure how 
>> this works.  I was looking at the play 5.  Do you need two of these for 
>> stereo or do you get stereo sound from 1?  Also, to do 5.1 am I reading on 
>> their site correctly that I’d put a play bar under the TV, run an optical 
>> line to that and then put to play 5 speakers in the back of the room?  Can I 
>> pair more than 2 say 4 if I want to simulate 7.1 or is 5.1 the limit?  I 
>> know the app is accessibility from the list here but how is it for sited 
>> users, very simple?  Anything else I should get with these like speaker 
>> stands or how do they mount, do you need special brackets?  Any pointers 
>> would be most appreciated.  This looks really cool actually I might have to 
>> get one and have another accidentally fall in to the cart.  Can you try 
>> 

Re: Question about the Sonos products

[Mary Otten]

 I still have a pair of Mirage speakers that I bought more years ago and I care 
to remember. They are now downstairs, not getting used nearly enough, but they 
are still wonderful. They're also big. And when the Adcom I have a running them 
blows up, which I suppose it will eventually do, I'm not sure what I will do 
about that.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 30, 2016, at 8:09 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> I had a pair of these, Martin Logans I believe.  They were like tall ribbons 
> with a small base box at the bottom.  They required a lot of power to light 
> up the plates in them as well.  This was before I moved to California.  I had 
> a Krell KSA160 amplifier and matching preamp and then when I moved to 
> surround sound I went with an Enlightened audio design signature series 
> amplifier / preamp / surround decoder and a Vidikron television projector 
> with a Stewart screen.  The speakers were Mirage speakers.  When I moved to 
> California and since I’ve worked with a Denon AVR 5803 receiver with Klipsch 
> Lascala’s for speakers.  Since I’ve been living in town houses and such 
> though I’ve gone with much leaner hardware because I’m not trying to blow my 
> neighbors out of their homes.  The Class A stuff I had peeked at over 1500 
> watts with a much lower sustained amount something in the 100 per channel 
> range but my Denon class B cranked out 9 channels of about 200 watts each, 
> not sure what they peeked at.  For a receiver the Denon wasn’t bad at all I 
> liked it because it was web configurable although the remote was very 
> inaccessible but I could use a universal to replace the remote features.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 8:50 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> When I was in high school, I had a friend who had this humongous pair of 
>> electrostatic speakers. If you've never seen them, they're very thin, but 
>> they are big, tall and wide. They sounded amazing. But not only were they 
>> expensive, the decor of the room would be well, just the speakers. Not 
>> something the average mom is going to go for.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 5:33 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Lol!  When my husband was in high school, he built four speakers with a 
>>> friend of his.  The speakers are ginormous.  They horrify my mother, who 
>>> cares a lot about what things look like.  They stand about five feet 
>>> tall--my husband was and is into horns.  They pretty much dominate the 
>>> room, but I've never heard a better set of speakers.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Nov 30, 2016, at 7:20 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
 
 Oh for those days. Up until fairly recently, we had a store like that in 
 town. I went down there and was then sorry I did, because I so wanted the 
 magna planers. But there was no way they would fit in anybody's house that 
 cares about what things look like. I don't of course, but others do. If 
 you're lucky, and your Best Buy has one of those high and Magnolia rooms 
 or whatever they call it, you might find the Sonos in there, and that 
 should be a better listening experience than simply going to the home 
 theater section in your regular Best Buy store. Good luck with that.
 
 Mary
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Nov 30, 2016, at 5:15 PM, Scott Granados  
> wrote:
> 
> Ah very good I will do that.  Nice to know you can try them out.  I miss 
> the old days of small boutique audio stores where you could make an 
> appointment and try out the gear with out having to try to hear it over 
> the car stereo section or the piles of televisions and cooking 
> demonstrations etc.:). Thanks for the pointer
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 8:06 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hey Scott,
>> 
>> I don't have the play five, so can't answer many of your questions. But 
>> yes, you can try them out at Best Buy. And I will tell you that when I 
>> tried them out at Best Buy, I like the sound of the play one the best. 
>> My recommendation would be that before you purchase anything you go to 
>> Best Buy and listen to the different options.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 6:59 PM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, so I’m looking for the Christmas gift for my Uncle who has 
>>> everything.  I happen to know he doesn’t have a good home theater 
>>> though and he likes his music and TV.  I was looking at the Sonos 
>>> system and I’m a little unsure how this works.  I was looking at the 
>>> play 5.  Do you need two of these for stereo or do you get stereo sound 
>>> from 1?  Also, to do 5.1 am I reading on their site correctly that I’d 
>>> put a play 

Re: Question about the Sonos products

[Scott Granados]

I just looked on line and wonder of all wonders the Stereo store I used to go 
to when I was growing up is still there.  It was called Robert’s audio video 
and they had all the high end gear and you had to make an appointment to go 
shop so you were totally focused on by the staff and didn’t have to contend 
with listening to your trial gear with others in the store trying out other 
items.  They had a very methodical process where you would pick out a component 
and they would give you a pair of very high end headphones to listen to the 
component right out of the headphone port.  Then you could take that component 
and match it with the amplifier and speakers and other gear you wanted.  After 
you made your selection u could take it home and try it out and swap it out if 
you didn’t like it in your own listening room.

And I hear you on the Magneplainers.  There was a company in Berkeley 
California that made special speakers.  I think they were $100,000 per pair and 
weighed more than a ton a piece.  I auditioned a pair at their store and they 
were breath taking.  But $100,000 is a heavy nut to crack.


> On Nov 30, 2016, at 8:20 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Oh for those days. Up until fairly recently, we had a store like that in 
> town. I went down there and was then sorry I did, because I so wanted the 
> magna planers. But there was no way they would fit in anybody's house that 
> cares about what things look like. I don't of course, but others do. If 
> you're lucky, and your Best Buy has one of those high and Magnolia rooms or 
> whatever they call it, you might find the Sonos in there, and that should be 
> a better listening experience than simply going to the home theater section 
> in your regular Best Buy store. Good luck with that.
> 
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 5:15 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Ah very good I will do that.  Nice to know you can try them out.  I miss the 
>> old days of small boutique audio stores where you could make an appointment 
>> and try out the gear with out having to try to hear it over the car stereo 
>> section or the piles of televisions and cooking demonstrations etc.:). 
>> Thanks for the pointer
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 8:06 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey Scott,
>>> 
>>> I don't have the play five, so can't answer many of your questions. But 
>>> yes, you can try them out at Best Buy. And I will tell you that when I 
>>> tried them out at Best Buy, I like the sound of the play one the best. My 
>>> recommendation would be that before you purchase anything you go to Best 
>>> Buy and listen to the different options.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Nov 30, 2016, at 6:59 PM, Scott Granados  
 wrote:
 
 Hi, so I’m looking for the Christmas gift for my Uncle who has everything. 
  I happen to know he doesn’t have a good home theater though and he likes 
 his music and TV.  I was looking at the Sonos system and I’m a little 
 unsure how this works.  I was looking at the play 5.  Do you need two of 
 these for stereo or do you get stereo sound from 1?  Also, to do 5.1 am I 
 reading on their site correctly that I’d put a play bar under the TV, run 
 an optical line to that and then put to play 5 speakers in the back of the 
 room?  Can I pair more than 2 say 4 if I want to simulate 7.1 or is 5.1 
 the limit?  I know the app is accessibility from the list here but how is 
 it for sited users, very simple?  Anything else I should get with these 
 like speaker stands or how do they mount, do you need special brackets?  
 Any pointers would be most appreciated.  This looks really cool actually I 
 might have to get one and have another accidentally fall in to the cart.  
 Can you try these out at Best Buy or other stores or they only available 
 online?  Any input would be most appreciated.
 
 Thanks
 Scott
 
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Re: Question about the Sonos products

[Scott Granados]

My mother was always fighting with me about the wires.  She loves this whole 
new wireless revolution going on.

I used to have speakers packed to the rafters but when I moved tony first house 
in New England I had them built in to the walls so it wasn’t nearly as bad.

> On Nov 30, 2016, at 8:33 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Lol!  When my husband was in high school, he built four speakers with a 
> friend of his.  The speakers are ginormous.  They horrify my mother, who 
> cares a lot about what things look like.  They stand about five feet tall--my 
> husband was and is into horns.  They pretty much dominate the room, but I've 
> never heard a better set of speakers.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 7:20 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Oh for those days. Up until fairly recently, we had a store like that in 
>> town. I went down there and was then sorry I did, because I so wanted the 
>> magna planers. But there was no way they would fit in anybody's house that 
>> cares about what things look like. I don't of course, but others do. If 
>> you're lucky, and your Best Buy has one of those high and Magnolia rooms or 
>> whatever they call it, you might find the Sonos in there, and that should be 
>> a better listening experience than simply going to the home theater section 
>> in your regular Best Buy store. Good luck with that.
>> 
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 5:15 PM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ah very good I will do that.  Nice to know you can try them out.  I miss 
>>> the old days of small boutique audio stores where you could make an 
>>> appointment and try out the gear with out having to try to hear it over the 
>>> car stereo section or the piles of televisions and cooking demonstrations 
>>> etc.:). Thanks for the pointer
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Nov 30, 2016, at 8:06 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Hey Scott,
 
 I don't have the play five, so can't answer many of your questions. But 
 yes, you can try them out at Best Buy. And I will tell you that when I 
 tried them out at Best Buy, I like the sound of the play one the best. My 
 recommendation would be that before you purchase anything you go to Best 
 Buy and listen to the different options.
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Nov 30, 2016, at 6:59 PM, Scott Granados  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi, so I’m looking for the Christmas gift for my Uncle who has 
> everything.  I happen to know he doesn’t have a good home theater though 
> and he likes his music and TV.  I was looking at the Sonos system and I’m 
> a little unsure how this works.  I was looking at the play 5.  Do you 
> need two of these for stereo or do you get stereo sound from 1?  Also, to 
> do 5.1 am I reading on their site correctly that I’d put a play bar under 
> the TV, run an optical line to that and then put to play 5 speakers in 
> the back of the room?  Can I pair more than 2 say 4 if I want to simulate 
> 7.1 or is 5.1 the limit?  I know the app is accessibility from the list 
> here but how is it for sited users, very simple?  Anything else I should 
> get with these like speaker stands or how do they mount, do you need 
> special brackets?  Any pointers would be most appreciated.  This looks 
> really cool actually I might have to get one and have another 
> accidentally fall in to the cart.  Can you try these out at Best Buy or 
> other stores or they only available online?  Any input would be most 
> appreciated.
> 
> Thanks
> Scott
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Re: Question about the Sonos products

[Scott Granados]

I had a pair of these, Martin Logans I believe.  They were like tall ribbons 
with a small base box at the bottom.  They required a lot of power to light up 
the plates in them as well.  This was before I moved to California.  I had a 
Krell KSA160 amplifier and matching preamp and then when I moved to surround 
sound I went with an Enlightened audio design signature series amplifier / 
preamp / surround decoder and a Vidikron television projector with a Stewart 
screen.  The speakers were Mirage speakers.  When I moved to California and 
since I’ve worked with a Denon AVR 5803 receiver with Klipsch Lascala’s for 
speakers.  Since I’ve been living in town houses and such though I’ve gone with 
much leaner hardware because I’m not trying to blow my neighbors out of their 
homes.  The Class A stuff I had peeked at over 1500 watts with a much lower 
sustained amount something in the 100 per channel range but my Denon class B 
cranked out 9 channels of about 200 watts each, not sure what they peeked at.  
For a receiver the Denon wasn’t bad at all I liked it because it was web 
configurable although the remote was very inaccessible but I could use a 
universal to replace the remote features.



> On Nov 30, 2016, at 8:50 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> When I was in high school, I had a friend who had this humongous pair of 
> electrostatic speakers. If you've never seen them, they're very thin, but 
> they are big, tall and wide. They sounded amazing. But not only were they 
> expensive, the decor of the room would be well, just the speakers. Not 
> something the average mom is going to go for.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 5:33 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Lol!  When my husband was in high school, he built four speakers with a 
>> friend of his.  The speakers are ginormous.  They horrify my mother, who 
>> cares a lot about what things look like.  They stand about five feet 
>> tall--my husband was and is into horns.  They pretty much dominate the room, 
>> but I've never heard a better set of speakers.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 7:20 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Oh for those days. Up until fairly recently, we had a store like that in 
>>> town. I went down there and was then sorry I did, because I so wanted the 
>>> magna planers. But there was no way they would fit in anybody's house that 
>>> cares about what things look like. I don't of course, but others do. If 
>>> you're lucky, and your Best Buy has one of those high and Magnolia rooms or 
>>> whatever they call it, you might find the Sonos in there, and that should 
>>> be a better listening experience than simply going to the home theater 
>>> section in your regular Best Buy store. Good luck with that.
>>> 
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Nov 30, 2016, at 5:15 PM, Scott Granados  
 wrote:
 
 Ah very good I will do that.  Nice to know you can try them out.  I miss 
 the old days of small boutique audio stores where you could make an 
 appointment and try out the gear with out having to try to hear it over 
 the car stereo section or the piles of televisions and cooking 
 demonstrations etc.:). Thanks for the pointer
 
 
 
> On Nov 30, 2016, at 8:06 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hey Scott,
> 
> I don't have the play five, so can't answer many of your questions. But 
> yes, you can try them out at Best Buy. And I will tell you that when I 
> tried them out at Best Buy, I like the sound of the play one the best. My 
> recommendation would be that before you purchase anything you go to Best 
> Buy and listen to the different options.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 6:59 PM, Scott Granados  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, so I’m looking for the Christmas gift for my Uncle who has 
>> everything.  I happen to know he doesn’t have a good home theater though 
>> and he likes his music and TV.  I was looking at the Sonos system and 
>> I’m a little unsure how this works.  I was looking at the play 5.  Do 
>> you need two of these for stereo or do you get stereo sound from 1?  
>> Also, to do 5.1 am I reading on their site correctly that I’d put a play 
>> bar under the TV, run an optical line to that and then put to play 5 
>> speakers in the back of the room?  Can I pair more than 2 say 4 if I 
>> want to simulate 7.1 or is 5.1 the limit?  I know the app is 
>> accessibility from the list here but how is it for sited users, very 
>> simple?  Anything else I should get with these like speaker stands or 
>> how do they mount, do you need special brackets?  Any pointers would be 
>> most appreciated.  This looks really cool actually I might have to get 
>> one and have 

Re: Question about the Sonos products

[Michael Malver]

I have read articles saying that generally speaking, the sound bar is to not 
sound as good as purchasing individual speakers.
Are you happy with the Sonos sound bar? I am thinking of setting up a system 
for myself.

Michael

> On Nov 30, 2016, at 8:41 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
> 
> I almost forgot, the speakers can stand on any surface. I will eventually 
> purchase small speaker stands for the play One surrounds as the current 
> tables put them two low in relation to the couch.
> 
> They can be purchased online, at Best Buy, or many other retailers. And 
> Amazon sells them, of course.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 1/12/2016, at 13:59, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, so I’m looking for the Christmas gift for my Uncle who has everything.  
>> I happen to know he doesn’t have a good home theater though and he likes his 
>> music and TV.  I was looking at the Sonos system and I’m a little unsure how 
>> this works.  I was looking at the play 5.  Do you need two of these for 
>> stereo or do you get stereo sound from 1?  Also, to do 5.1 am I reading on 
>> their site correctly that I’d put a play bar under the TV, run an optical 
>> line to that and then put to play 5 speakers in the back of the room?  Can I 
>> pair more than 2 say 4 if I want to simulate 7.1 or is 5.1 the limit?  I 
>> know the app is accessibility from the list here but how is it for sited 
>> users, very simple?  Anything else I should get with these like speaker 
>> stands or how do they mount, do you need special brackets?  Any pointers 
>> would be most appreciated.  This looks really cool actually I might have to 
>> get one and have another accidentally fall in to the cart.  Can you try 
>> these out at Best Buy or other stores or they only available online?  Any 
>> input would be most appreciated.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Scott
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Re: Question about the Sonos products

[David Chittenden]

I almost forgot, the speakers can stand on any surface. I will eventually 
purchase small speaker stands for the play One surrounds as the current tables 
put them two low in relation to the couch.

They can be purchased online, at Best Buy, or many other retailers. And Amazon 
sells them, of course.

Kind regards,

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +61 488 988 936
Sent from my iPhone

> On 1/12/2016, at 13:59, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Hi, so I’m looking for the Christmas gift for my Uncle who has everything.  I 
> happen to know he doesn’t have a good home theater though and he likes his 
> music and TV.  I was looking at the Sonos system and I’m a little unsure how 
> this works.  I was looking at the play 5.  Do you need two of these for 
> stereo or do you get stereo sound from 1?  Also, to do 5.1 am I reading on 
> their site correctly that I’d put a play bar under the TV, run an optical 
> line to that and then put to play 5 speakers in the back of the room?  Can I 
> pair more than 2 say 4 if I want to simulate 7.1 or is 5.1 the limit?  I know 
> the app is accessibility from the list here but how is it for sited users, 
> very simple?  Anything else I should get with these like speaker stands or 
> how do they mount, do you need special brackets?  Any pointers would be most 
> appreciated.  This looks really cool actually I might have to get one and 
> have another accidentally fall in to the cart.  Can you try these out at Best 
> Buy or other stores or they only available online?  Any input would be most 
> appreciated.
> 
> Thanks
> Scott
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Re: Question about the Sonos products

[David Chittenden]

Hi Scott,

We recently set up a Sonos system.

The Play One is a small speaker. It can do basic stereo sound, or it can work 
as part of a pair, or as part of a 5.1 surround system. I am not sure about 
part of a 7.1 system, and Sonos does not yet do upmos for vertical spacial 
hearing.
The Play Three and Play 5 can both also function as either a stereo speaker 
(laid horizontally,, or as the individual side of a stereo pair (laid 
vertically). Just set it up in the Sonos app.

My fiancé wanted to hire someone to set up the system, so I agreed that if I 
could not figure it out fairly quickly, we would bring in an installer. I am 
good with this sort of thing, but set-up is so simple that she could do it.

We purchased a PlayBar, two Play Threes, and three Play Ones. I was originally 
going to match the Play Threes with the PlayBar, but the store only had one in 
stock, so we put the single Play Three in the bedroom (where I was going to put 
a Play One. That would leave a play One for the bathroom and a play One for our 
office. The Play Ones worked so nicely with the PlayBar that the office was 
upgraded to the other Play Three. Oh, the family room also has the Sonos Sub. I 
really like this Sub. It is a brick. The speakers are inside and face each 
other. This allows for excellent deep base without any sub rattling. Sonos says 
it is because the two speakers facing each other cancels the rattle distortion 
out.

All the speakers can play the same thing, or each room can play different 
things, and changing is very easy in the app. My sighted partner absolutely 
loves the simplicity of the app. I love its accessibility.

Sonos states stereo pairs may only be created between two speakers of same 
type. So, one could use a play Three as center speaker, two Play Fives as front 
stereo speakers, and two Play Ones or Threes as surrounds, with the Sub for 
proper 5.1 sound, or one can use the PlayBar for the front with the Sub and 
surrounds. Sonos performs all the calculations for excellent sound internally 
within all the speakers. They sound quite good, and my fiancé says they sync 
perfectly with the visuals.

When we first started playing music through the surround system, the Play Ones 
were set on surround enhance mode. I changed it in the Sonos app to have the 
surrounds act as full speakers for music playback. Sonos remembers the change, 
and switches automatically depending on whether source is video or music. And, 
for set-up / video sound, it is just a digital optical cable from the TV to the 
playBar. Sonos uses the wifi in the house to create its own network. However, 
if there is no wifi network, the speakers can be connected together with cat5 
cables.

As for sound, I have heard better speakers. A good friend has a pair which cost 
him $4,000 per speaker. Those sound fantastic. Sonos is not quite that good, 
and does not play anywhere near as loud. But, they sound better than anything I 
have owned before. They have excellent sound definition and excellent sound and 
frequency separation. Each speaker in the unit has its own digital amplifier, 
and this makes a significant difference. Also, Sonos regularly and 
automatically rolls out updates. The system updates late at night when not 
working, and they improve automatically.

Kind regards,

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +61 488 988 936
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> On 1/12/2016, at 13:59, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Hi, so I’m looking for the Christmas gift for my Uncle who has everything.  I 
> happen to know he doesn’t have a good home theater though and he likes his 
> music and TV.  I was looking at the Sonos system and I’m a little unsure how 
> this works.  I was looking at the play 5.  Do you need two of these for 
> stereo or do you get stereo sound from 1?  Also, to do 5.1 am I reading on 
> their site correctly that I’d put a play bar under the TV, run an optical 
> line to that and then put to play 5 speakers in the back of the room?  Can I 
> pair more than 2 say 4 if I want to simulate 7.1 or is 5.1 the limit?  I know 
> the app is accessibility from the list here but how is it for sited users, 
> very simple?  Anything else I should get with these like speaker stands or 
> how do they mount, do you need special brackets?  Any pointers would be most 
> appreciated.  This looks really cool actually I might have to get one and 
> have another accidentally fall in to the cart.  Can you try these out at Best 
> Buy or other stores or they only available online?  Any input would be most 
> appreciated.
> 
> Thanks
> Scott
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Re: Question about the Sonos products

[Mary Otten]

When I was in high school, I had a friend who had this humongous pair of 
electrostatic speakers. If you've never seen them, they're very thin, but they 
are big, tall and wide. They sounded amazing. But not only were they expensive, 
the decor of the room would be well, just the speakers. Not something the 
average mom is going to go for.
Mary


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> On Nov 30, 2016, at 5:33 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Lol!  When my husband was in high school, he built four speakers with a 
> friend of his.  The speakers are ginormous.  They horrify my mother, who 
> cares a lot about what things look like.  They stand about five feet tall--my 
> husband was and is into horns.  They pretty much dominate the room, but I've 
> never heard a better set of speakers.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 7:20 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Oh for those days. Up until fairly recently, we had a store like that in 
>> town. I went down there and was then sorry I did, because I so wanted the 
>> magna planers. But there was no way they would fit in anybody's house that 
>> cares about what things look like. I don't of course, but others do. If 
>> you're lucky, and your Best Buy has one of those high and Magnolia rooms or 
>> whatever they call it, you might find the Sonos in there, and that should be 
>> a better listening experience than simply going to the home theater section 
>> in your regular Best Buy store. Good luck with that.
>> 
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 5:15 PM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ah very good I will do that.  Nice to know you can try them out.  I miss 
>>> the old days of small boutique audio stores where you could make an 
>>> appointment and try out the gear with out having to try to hear it over the 
>>> car stereo section or the piles of televisions and cooking demonstrations 
>>> etc.:). Thanks for the pointer
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Nov 30, 2016, at 8:06 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Hey Scott,
 
 I don't have the play five, so can't answer many of your questions. But 
 yes, you can try them out at Best Buy. And I will tell you that when I 
 tried them out at Best Buy, I like the sound of the play one the best. My 
 recommendation would be that before you purchase anything you go to Best 
 Buy and listen to the different options.
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Nov 30, 2016, at 6:59 PM, Scott Granados  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi, so I’m looking for the Christmas gift for my Uncle who has 
> everything.  I happen to know he doesn’t have a good home theater though 
> and he likes his music and TV.  I was looking at the Sonos system and I’m 
> a little unsure how this works.  I was looking at the play 5.  Do you 
> need two of these for stereo or do you get stereo sound from 1?  Also, to 
> do 5.1 am I reading on their site correctly that I’d put a play bar under 
> the TV, run an optical line to that and then put to play 5 speakers in 
> the back of the room?  Can I pair more than 2 say 4 if I want to simulate 
> 7.1 or is 5.1 the limit?  I know the app is accessibility from the list 
> here but how is it for sited users, very simple?  Anything else I should 
> get with these like speaker stands or how do they mount, do you need 
> special brackets?  Any pointers would be most appreciated.  This looks 
> really cool actually I might have to get one and have another 
> accidentally fall in to the cart.  Can you try these out at Best Buy or 
> other stores or they only available online?  Any input would be most 
> appreciated.
> 
> Thanks
> Scott
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Re: Question about the Sonos products

[Mary Otten]

I guess my mom was smart enough not to offer me such a graduation present. I 
would've put her into debt for a good long time.
Mary


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> On Nov 30, 2016, at 5:31 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Ha! I miss those days, too.  My graduation from college present from my 
> parents was a stereo system of my selection.  I have fond memories of going 
> to all the different audio stores in St. Louis with my brother trying out all 
> the different components.  Alas, I think those days are gone. :)
> 
> One thing I should say about my preference for the Play 1.  I wanted it for 
> our deck, which means that those listening would be about 10 feed away.  I 
> wanted something that would be good for us, but not make our neighbors call 
> the police.  :)  So, my selection of the Play1 was based on it fitting that 
> need.  Depending on your uncle's environment, that may or may not be the best 
> choice.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 7:15 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Ah very good I will do that.  Nice to know you can try them out.  I miss the 
>> old days of small boutique audio stores where you could make an appointment 
>> and try out the gear with out having to try to hear it over the car stereo 
>> section or the piles of televisions and cooking demonstrations etc.:). 
>> Thanks for the pointer
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 8:06 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey Scott,
>>> 
>>> I don't have the play five, so can't answer many of your questions. But 
>>> yes, you can try them out at Best Buy. And I will tell you that when I 
>>> tried them out at Best Buy, I like the sound of the play one the best. My 
>>> recommendation would be that before you purchase anything you go to Best 
>>> Buy and listen to the different options.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Nov 30, 2016, at 6:59 PM, Scott Granados  
 wrote:
 
 Hi, so I’m looking for the Christmas gift for my Uncle who has everything. 
  I happen to know he doesn’t have a good home theater though and he likes 
 his music and TV.  I was looking at the Sonos system and I’m a little 
 unsure how this works.  I was looking at the play 5.  Do you need two of 
 these for stereo or do you get stereo sound from 1?  Also, to do 5.1 am I 
 reading on their site correctly that I’d put a play bar under the TV, run 
 an optical line to that and then put to play 5 speakers in the back of the 
 room?  Can I pair more than 2 say 4 if I want to simulate 7.1 or is 5.1 
 the limit?  I know the app is accessibility from the list here but how is 
 it for sited users, very simple?  Anything else I should get with these 
 like speaker stands or how do they mount, do you need special brackets?  
 Any pointers would be most appreciated.  This looks really cool actually I 
 might have to get one and have another accidentally fall in to the cart.  
 Can you try these out at Best Buy or other stores or they only available 
 online?  Any input would be most appreciated.
 
 Thanks
 Scott
 
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Re: Question about the Sonos products

[Donna Goodin]

Lol!  When my husband was in high school, he built four speakers with a friend 
of his.  The speakers are ginormous.  They horrify my mother, who cares a lot 
about what things look like.  They stand about five feet tall--my husband was 
and is into horns.  They pretty much dominate the room, but I've never heard a 
better set of speakers.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Nov 30, 2016, at 7:20 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Oh for those days. Up until fairly recently, we had a store like that in 
> town. I went down there and was then sorry I did, because I so wanted the 
> magna planers. But there was no way they would fit in anybody's house that 
> cares about what things look like. I don't of course, but others do. If 
> you're lucky, and your Best Buy has one of those high and Magnolia rooms or 
> whatever they call it, you might find the Sonos in there, and that should be 
> a better listening experience than simply going to the home theater section 
> in your regular Best Buy store. Good luck with that.
> 
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 5:15 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Ah very good I will do that.  Nice to know you can try them out.  I miss the 
>> old days of small boutique audio stores where you could make an appointment 
>> and try out the gear with out having to try to hear it over the car stereo 
>> section or the piles of televisions and cooking demonstrations etc.:). 
>> Thanks for the pointer
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 8:06 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey Scott,
>>> 
>>> I don't have the play five, so can't answer many of your questions. But 
>>> yes, you can try them out at Best Buy. And I will tell you that when I 
>>> tried them out at Best Buy, I like the sound of the play one the best. My 
>>> recommendation would be that before you purchase anything you go to Best 
>>> Buy and listen to the different options.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Nov 30, 2016, at 6:59 PM, Scott Granados  
 wrote:
 
 Hi, so I’m looking for the Christmas gift for my Uncle who has everything. 
  I happen to know he doesn’t have a good home theater though and he likes 
 his music and TV.  I was looking at the Sonos system and I’m a little 
 unsure how this works.  I was looking at the play 5.  Do you need two of 
 these for stereo or do you get stereo sound from 1?  Also, to do 5.1 am I 
 reading on their site correctly that I’d put a play bar under the TV, run 
 an optical line to that and then put to play 5 speakers in the back of the 
 room?  Can I pair more than 2 say 4 if I want to simulate 7.1 or is 5.1 
 the limit?  I know the app is accessibility from the list here but how is 
 it for sited users, very simple?  Anything else I should get with these 
 like speaker stands or how do they mount, do you need special brackets?  
 Any pointers would be most appreciated.  This looks really cool actually I 
 might have to get one and have another accidentally fall in to the cart.  
 Can you try these out at Best Buy or other stores or they only available 
 online?  Any input would be most appreciated.
 
 Thanks
 Scott
 
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Re: Question about the Sonos products

[Donna Goodin]

Ha! I miss those days, too.  My graduation from college present from my parents 
was a stereo system of my selection.  I have fond memories of going to all the 
different audio stores in St. Louis with my brother trying out all the 
different components.  Alas, I think those days are gone. :)

One thing I should say about my preference for the Play 1.  I wanted it for our 
deck, which means that those listening would be about 10 feed away.  I wanted 
something that would be good for us, but not make our neighbors call the 
police.  :)  So, my selection of the Play1 was based on it fitting that need.  
Depending on your uncle's environment, that may or may not be the best choice.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Nov 30, 2016, at 7:15 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Ah very good I will do that.  Nice to know you can try them out.  I miss the 
> old days of small boutique audio stores where you could make an appointment 
> and try out the gear with out having to try to hear it over the car stereo 
> section or the piles of televisions and cooking demonstrations etc.:). Thanks 
> for the pointer
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 8:06 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hey Scott,
>> 
>> I don't have the play five, so can't answer many of your questions. But yes, 
>> you can try them out at Best Buy. And I will tell you that when I tried them 
>> out at Best Buy, I like the sound of the play one the best. My 
>> recommendation would be that before you purchase anything you go to Best Buy 
>> and listen to the different options.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 6:59 PM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, so I’m looking for the Christmas gift for my Uncle who has everything.  
>>> I happen to know he doesn’t have a good home theater though and he likes 
>>> his music and TV.  I was looking at the Sonos system and I’m a little 
>>> unsure how this works.  I was looking at the play 5.  Do you need two of 
>>> these for stereo or do you get stereo sound from 1?  Also, to do 5.1 am I 
>>> reading on their site correctly that I’d put a play bar under the TV, run 
>>> an optical line to that and then put to play 5 speakers in the back of the 
>>> room?  Can I pair more than 2 say 4 if I want to simulate 7.1 or is 5.1 the 
>>> limit?  I know the app is accessibility from the list here but how is it 
>>> for sited users, very simple?  Anything else I should get with these like 
>>> speaker stands or how do they mount, do you need special brackets?  Any 
>>> pointers would be most appreciated.  This looks really cool actually I 
>>> might have to get one and have another accidentally fall in to the cart.  
>>> Can you try these out at Best Buy or other stores or they only available 
>>> online?  Any input would be most appreciated.
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> Scott
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Re: Question about the Sonos products

[Mary Otten]

Oh for those days. Up until fairly recently, we had a store like that in town. 
I went down there and was then sorry I did, because I so wanted the magna 
planers. But there was no way they would fit in anybody's house that cares 
about what things look like. I don't of course, but others do. If you're lucky, 
and your Best Buy has one of those high and Magnolia rooms or whatever they 
call it, you might find the Sonos in there, and that should be a better 
listening experience than simply going to the home theater section in your 
regular Best Buy store. Good luck with that.

Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 30, 2016, at 5:15 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Ah very good I will do that.  Nice to know you can try them out.  I miss the 
> old days of small boutique audio stores where you could make an appointment 
> and try out the gear with out having to try to hear it over the car stereo 
> section or the piles of televisions and cooking demonstrations etc.:). Thanks 
> for the pointer
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 8:06 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hey Scott,
>> 
>> I don't have the play five, so can't answer many of your questions. But yes, 
>> you can try them out at Best Buy. And I will tell you that when I tried them 
>> out at Best Buy, I like the sound of the play one the best. My 
>> recommendation would be that before you purchase anything you go to Best Buy 
>> and listen to the different options.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 6:59 PM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, so I’m looking for the Christmas gift for my Uncle who has everything.  
>>> I happen to know he doesn’t have a good home theater though and he likes 
>>> his music and TV.  I was looking at the Sonos system and I’m a little 
>>> unsure how this works.  I was looking at the play 5.  Do you need two of 
>>> these for stereo or do you get stereo sound from 1?  Also, to do 5.1 am I 
>>> reading on their site correctly that I’d put a play bar under the TV, run 
>>> an optical line to that and then put to play 5 speakers in the back of the 
>>> room?  Can I pair more than 2 say 4 if I want to simulate 7.1 or is 5.1 the 
>>> limit?  I know the app is accessibility from the list here but how is it 
>>> for sited users, very simple?  Anything else I should get with these like 
>>> speaker stands or how do they mount, do you need special brackets?  Any 
>>> pointers would be most appreciated.  This looks really cool actually I 
>>> might have to get one and have another accidentally fall in to the cart.  
>>> Can you try these out at Best Buy or other stores or they only available 
>>> online?  Any input would be most appreciated.
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> Scott
>>> 
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Re: Question about the Sonos products

[Scott Granados]

Ah very good I will do that.  Nice to know you can try them out.  I miss the 
old days of small boutique audio stores where you could make an appointment and 
try out the gear with out having to try to hear it over the car stereo section 
or the piles of televisions and cooking demonstrations etc.:). Thanks for the 
pointer
 


> On Nov 30, 2016, at 8:06 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hey Scott,
> 
> I don't have the play five, so can't answer many of your questions. But yes, 
> you can try them out at Best Buy. And I will tell you that when I tried them 
> out at Best Buy, I like the sound of the play one the best. My recommendation 
> would be that before you purchase anything you go to Best Buy and listen to 
> the different options.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 6:59 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, so I’m looking for the Christmas gift for my Uncle who has everything.  
>> I happen to know he doesn’t have a good home theater though and he likes his 
>> music and TV.  I was looking at the Sonos system and I’m a little unsure how 
>> this works.  I was looking at the play 5.  Do you need two of these for 
>> stereo or do you get stereo sound from 1?  Also, to do 5.1 am I reading on 
>> their site correctly that I’d put a play bar under the TV, run an optical 
>> line to that and then put to play 5 speakers in the back of the room?  Can I 
>> pair more than 2 say 4 if I want to simulate 7.1 or is 5.1 the limit?  I 
>> know the app is accessibility from the list here but how is it for sited 
>> users, very simple?  Anything else I should get with these like speaker 
>> stands or how do they mount, do you need special brackets?  Any pointers 
>> would be most appreciated.  This looks really cool actually I might have to 
>> get one and have another accidentally fall in to the cart.  Can you try 
>> these out at Best Buy or other stores or they only available online?  Any 
>> input would be most appreciated.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Scott
>> 
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Re: Question about the Sonos products

[Mary Otten]

Hi Scott, like Donna, I also don't have this system. But from what I have read, 
you want the sound bar and the sub and a pair of either play ones or play 
threes for your surround. Play five in that setting would be overkill. 
According to what I read, you cannot set up the play five as a surround pair 
and then also use them as a stereo pair, if all you want to do is play music 
through them. So, best to go for something smaller for your surrounds.

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> On Nov 30, 2016, at 4:59 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Hi, so I’m looking for the Christmas gift for my Uncle who has everything.  I 
> happen to know he doesn’t have a good home theater though and he likes his 
> music and TV.  I was looking at the Sonos system and I’m a little unsure how 
> this works.  I was looking at the play 5.  Do you need two of these for 
> stereo or do you get stereo sound from 1?  Also, to do 5.1 am I reading on 
> their site correctly that I’d put a play bar under the TV, run an optical 
> line to that and then put to play 5 speakers in the back of the room?  Can I 
> pair more than 2 say 4 if I want to simulate 7.1 or is 5.1 the limit?  I know 
> the app is accessibility from the list here but how is it for sited users, 
> very simple?  Anything else I should get with these like speaker stands or 
> how do they mount, do you need special brackets?  Any pointers would be most 
> appreciated.  This looks really cool actually I might have to get one and 
> have another accidentally fall in to the cart.  Can you try these out at Best 
> Buy or other stores or they only available online?  Any input would be most 
> appreciated.
> 
> Thanks
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Re: Question about the Sonos products

[Donna Goodin]

Hey Scott,

I don't have the play five, so can't answer many of your questions. But yes, 
you can try them out at Best Buy. And I will tell you that when I tried them 
out at Best Buy, I like the sound of the play one the best. My recommendation 
would be that before you purchase anything you go to Best Buy and listen to the 
different options.
Cheers,
Donna

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> On Nov 30, 2016, at 6:59 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Hi, so I’m looking for the Christmas gift for my Uncle who has everything.  I 
> happen to know he doesn’t have a good home theater though and he likes his 
> music and TV.  I was looking at the Sonos system and I’m a little unsure how 
> this works.  I was looking at the play 5.  Do you need two of these for 
> stereo or do you get stereo sound from 1?  Also, to do 5.1 am I reading on 
> their site correctly that I’d put a play bar under the TV, run an optical 
> line to that and then put to play 5 speakers in the back of the room?  Can I 
> pair more than 2 say 4 if I want to simulate 7.1 or is 5.1 the limit?  I know 
> the app is accessibility from the list here but how is it for sited users, 
> very simple?  Anything else I should get with these like speaker stands or 
> how do they mount, do you need special brackets?  Any pointers would be most 
> appreciated.  This looks really cool actually I might have to get one and 
> have another accidentally fall in to the cart.  Can you try these out at Best 
> Buy or other stores or they only available online?  Any input would be most 
> appreciated.
> 
> Thanks
> Scott
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Re: A question about the Sonos

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To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 1:37 PM
Subject: Re: A question about the Sonos


I appreciate all of the great posts on this subject.

It does work beautifully on my iPhone, and it also works well using a line 
in cable from the Mac mini.


Thanks again.

Kristeen

On Nov 13, 2016, at 5:15 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
<clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:


You are in good hands, my friend! I use Sonos products so extensively, I'm 
literally a private beta tester. I can't really say much more than that 
however regarding that fact. However, in regards to your question, the 
Sonos app is not very speech friendly with voiceover on the Mac. This 
said, do you have an iOS device, or a Windows device? If so, you have two 
sollutions, both of which are 100% accessible.


First off, you can install the Sonos Controller iOS app. It is totally 
totally accessible! Secondly, you can go to:


http://www.sonos.com

and download the Windows PC version of the Sonos controller. Then, you'll 
also need to go to:


http://www.hartgen.org/sonos

and get the free JAWS scripts that Brian wrote for the controller. They're 
not required, but they'll definitely help tremendously.


Actually, you even have a 3rd option, come to think of it. You also can 
use the controller app through Android e with any of the screen readers 
over there like Talkback, Spiel, Shine, Voice Assist, etc. There might 
even be an app for the Kindle Fire, but not sure. If you have an Amazon 
Alexa Echo, you even can control the speakers with your voice.


You also may want to go to

http://www.mosen.org

Jonathan Mosen has written a book which is very very reasonably priced, 
and very very very worth it, which will explain every single aspect of the 
Sonos system. After reading the book cover to cover in one day, I was so 
freaking hooked/convinced, that I went that very day, practically begging! 
my grandmother to take me to Best Buy to pick up a set of Play1's. It was 
probably one of the best investments I've ever made!


Cristine, if you'd like to do so, this is my work number, but it rings at 
all hours of the day to my home office. I'll be here all tonight, and all 
tomorrow, so feel free to call me if you'd like to discuss this further 
via voice. I'd be tickled to death to help you with this! Again, this 
number already is very much public knowledge, so it's not like I'm giving 
out personal info on list. It's in my signature anyway, so it's not like 
people can't already get it.


You can call me at: 704-256-8010, Then choose option 1 from the IVR. If 
you don't get me, leave me a voicemail with a number, and I'll call you 
back. I'm on eastern time, and there is no time which is most convenient. 
Just call whenever.


Please don't return the speaker though. I cross my heart we can get you up 
and running! If you return, you'll definitely regret in the long run. 
Hell, I'd kill! for a set of play5's, but they weren't in my budget at the 
time.

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Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 9:10 PM
Subject: A question about the Sonos


I just got a Sonos Player: 5. I have installed the Sonos software, but it 
seems very visual and I can do nothing with it. It appears to have added 
my music, but all I see are images and I’m wondering how to actually make 
it work. It is testing my stupidity levels right now and finding them 
high.


Kristeen


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Re: A question about the Sonos

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Subject: Re: A question about the Sonos


This post was extremely helpful and well-written. Thank you for it.

Kristeen

On Nov 13, 2016, at 5:36 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
<clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:


Yes. Absolutely you can.

1. In the app, near the top of the screen, you'll find a button that is 
labeled with the name of the room that is currently playing. If you've 
grouped multiple rooms, it will be labeled with the name of all grouped 
rooms. For example, in my case, I hear Studio and bedroom. Double tap on 
this button.


2.  Now, in the bottom of the screen, you'll see a button that says room 
settings. Double tap on this.


3.  Now, find the room for the speaker you want to adjust the base and 
trebble. Double tap on it.


4.  In this screen, you should find a few things. Trueplay, which 
basically calebrates the speaker via means of test tones being played. 
This process is 100% accessible. It didn't used to be, but I got ahold of 
them, and worked very very extensively with them, and though I cannot 
clame that it was me who made it accessible, I think I probably had a huge 
part to do with it. You also under here have settings for compression on 
or off, reducing loudness, and your base/trebble, all of which are 
accessible.


As for volume, the play5 is a little weird. Let me try explaining this.

Take your hand on the front of the speaker grill on the front face of the 
speaker bezil. In the top center, you're going to feel a raised engraving 
bit of print letters. Note, this only is applicable to the Play5. I'll 
explain the Play 1 and 3 in a second.  OK, so get yourself oriented with 
that emblum. It's going to be magic key to getting this to work.


On the print raised label, move your finger up from the front face bezil 
right to the top of the unit. Let your finger glide off the front of your 
unit over the top edge until it rests right on the top of the speaker 
right there aligned with where that printed label would be on the front 
speaker grill. There is a small little window there. This is a touch 
pannel, but don't worry. This is very very very very very easy once you 
know where that print label is. You're gonna use that as home base to line 
yourself up. There are only 3 items on this touch screen, and they are not 
context sensitive. They always no matter what will be the same. They never 
ever ever change. So... on the left side of the window is volume down. On 
the right side is volume up. In the very center is play/pause. So if you 
can take your finger on the front faced print logo, then just slide your 
finger up off the front, over to the top of the unit, your finger should 
glide right over the window on the area you need to touch. This sounds 
maybe a little tricky, but I swear. It's not. It's really easy. I was able 
in the Best Buy store to consistently get this to work the very first try. 
It's really really not hard once you know where that print label is, and 
no this little trick.


The play 1 and 3's are a little different. On them, there is no touch 
screen. There are physical buttons.


You will notice that you have a long virtical bar on the top of the 
speaker, just a little offset to the left from the bottom center of the 
top of the unit.  Actually, I'm wrong, I just looked at mine. It's not 
offset. It's actually dead smack center. This is the volume. Obviously the 
bar is a rocker button. The top part will turn it up with each press, and 
the bottom part turns it down. Just above this is a small square button. 
It's about the size of the pad of your finger. This is play/pause.


Two things to note. ON the Play5, in the back of the speaker, where your 
power cord and your line in jack and what not is, there is a small little 
button. This is the connect button. When connecting the speaker to your 
controller, you'll be asked to hit the connect button. This is the button 
they're talking about.


On the Play1 and Play3, what you're gonna do is, you're gonna press the 
volume up, and the play/pause buttons at the same time, don't hold them 
in. Just press and release. You're not gonna hold the connect button 
either on the play5, just push and release, by the way. No holding 
necessary.  You should hear then a small little chime tone through the 
speaker, which will indicate you did it correctly, and the controller 
software should then progress automatically to the next step in the setup 
process.


One more thing. When a song is playing, on either the play1 or play 5, as 
well as the play 3, double pressing, or in the case of the play 5, 
tapping, the play pause button will advance to the next song, if anything 
is in the qu

Re: A question about the Sonos

[Kristeen Hughes]

hing is in the 
> queue. The queue gets slightly more advanced, so I won't cover that here, but 
> generally, doing this will get you to the next track.
> 
> On iOS, to turn up and down the volume, near the bottom of the screen, you'll 
> find a button that says what is playing. Double tap on this to open the now 
> playing screen. ON this screen, you'll find an adjuster which you can flick 
> up and down on with one finger to raise/lower the volume.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Chris.
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> - Original Message - From: "Kristeen Hughes" <khwi...@gmail.com>
> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2016 12:18 AM
> Subject: Re: A question about the Sonos
> 
> 
> If you use an iPhone, can you adjust the volume, bass, treble and such? The 
> Sonos itself is totally flat, and I don’t know how to use its controls.
> 
> Kristeen
> 
>> On Nov 12, 2016, at 11:18 PM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Christine,
>> 
>> I haven't used Sonos on the Mac, but the IOS version works very well.  If 
>> you have an i-device, give that a try.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Nov 12, 2016, at 8:10 PM, Kristeen Hughes <khwi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I just got a Sonos Player: 5. I have installed the Sonos software, but it 
>>> seems very visual and I can do nothing with it. It appears to have added my 
>>> music, but all I see are images and I’m wondering how to actually make it 
>>> work. It is testing my stupidity levels right now and finding them high.
>>> 
>>> Kristeen
>>> 
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Re: A question about the Sonos

[Kristeen Hughes]

I appreciate all of the great posts on this subject.

It does work beautifully on my iPhone, and it also works well using a line in 
cable from the Mac mini.

Thanks again.

Kristeen

> On Nov 13, 2016, at 5:15 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> You are in good hands, my friend! I use Sonos products so extensively, I'm 
> literally a private beta tester. I can't really say much more than that 
> however regarding that fact. However, in regards to your question, the Sonos 
> app is not very speech friendly with voiceover on the Mac. This said, do you 
> have an iOS device, or a Windows device? If so, you have two sollutions, both 
> of which are 100% accessible.
> 
> First off, you can install the Sonos Controller iOS app. It is totally 
> totally accessible! Secondly, you can go to:
> 
> http://www.sonos.com
> 
> and download the Windows PC version of the Sonos controller. Then, you'll 
> also need to go to:
> 
> http://www.hartgen.org/sonos
> 
> and get the free JAWS scripts that Brian wrote for the controller. They're 
> not required, but they'll definitely help tremendously.
> 
> Actually, you even have a 3rd option, come to think of it. You also can use 
> the controller app through Android e with any of the screen readers over 
> there like Talkback, Spiel, Shine, Voice Assist, etc. There might even be an 
> app for the Kindle Fire, but not sure. If you have an Amazon Alexa Echo, you 
> even can control the speakers with your voice.
> 
> You also may want to go to
> 
> http://www.mosen.org
> 
> Jonathan Mosen has written a book which is very very reasonably priced, and 
> very very very worth it, which will explain every single aspect of the Sonos 
> system. After reading the book cover to cover in one day, I was so freaking 
> hooked/convinced, that I went that very day, practically begging! my 
> grandmother to take me to Best Buy to pick up a set of Play1's. It was 
> probably one of the best investments I've ever made!
> 
> Cristine, if you'd like to do so, this is my work number, but it rings at all 
> hours of the day to my home office. I'll be here all tonight, and all 
> tomorrow, so feel free to call me if you'd like to discuss this further via 
> voice. I'd be tickled to death to help you with this! Again, this number 
> already is very much public knowledge, so it's not like I'm giving out 
> personal info on list. It's in my signature anyway, so it's not like people 
> can't already get it.
> 
> You can call me at: 704-256-8010, Then choose option 1 from the IVR. If you 
> don't get me, leave me a voicemail with a number, and I'll call you back. I'm 
> on eastern time, and there is no time which is most convenient. Just call 
> whenever.
> 
> Please don't return the speaker though. I cross my heart we can get you up 
> and running! If you return, you'll definitely regret in the long run. Hell, 
> I'd kill! for a set of play5's, but they weren't in my budget at the time.
> ---
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> Training Instructor.
> 
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> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
> - Original Message - From: "Kristeen Hughes" <khwi...@gmail.com>
> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 9:10 PM
> Subject: A question about the Sonos
> 
> 
> I just got a Sonos Player: 5. I have installed the Sonos software, but it 
> seems very visual and I can do nothing with it. It appears to have added my 
> music, but all I see are images and I’m wondering how to actually make it 
> work. It is testing my stupidity levels right now and finding them high.
> 
> Kristeen
> 
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RE: A question about the Sonos

[Simon Fogarty]

Yeah they updated it for some reason, believe the cones are better in side as 
well.
 
I got rid of the 5 I had and dropped to play 1 devices I can't remember where 
the connect button, I believe on the older device it used the power / volume 
like the play 1 & 3 does.

But it was 18 months ago I got rid of mine,

 I'm trying to save at the moment for a play bar for the tv 
-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Monday, 14 November 2016 10:38 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A question about the Sonos

Aa, my apology then. I wasn't aware there was an older version of the Play5. 
Good to know. One question I have, and feel free to take this off list, being 
it's not mac related, but where's the line in jack located exactly on the new 
Play5? Also, where exactly on the back is the connect button? I ask as probably 
next month, I'm gonna get me one.
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- Original Message -
From: "Simon Fogarty" <si...@blinky-net.com>
To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2016 4:18 AM
Subject: RE: A question about the Sonos


Hi Chris,

 Great instructions,

 Very well written,

 Just one note though, the play 5 you describe here is the new one, the 
older one has a some what more rocker like play pause and vol up / down like 
the 1 and 3, they changed it last year for some reason,
 Oh and increased the price,

 But still great instructions.

SF

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark 
Gilland
Sent: Monday, 14 November 2016 11:37 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A question about the Sonos

Yes. Absolutely you can.

1. In the app, near the top of the screen, you'll find a button that is 
labeled with the name of the room that is currently playing. If you've 
grouped multiple rooms, it will be labeled with the name of all grouped 
rooms. For example, in my case, I hear Studio and bedroom. Double tap on 
this button.

2.  Now, in the bottom of the screen, you'll see a button that says room 
settings. Double tap on this.

3.  Now, find the room for the speaker you want to adjust the base and 
trebble. Double tap on it.

4.  In this screen, you should find a few things. Trueplay, which basically 
calebrates the speaker via means of test tones being played. This process is 
100% accessible. It didn't used to be, but I got ahold of them, and worked 
very very extensively with them, and though I cannot clame that it was me 
who made it accessible, I think I probably had a huge part to do with it.
You also under here have settings for compression on or off, reducing 
loudness, and your base/trebble, all of which are accessible.

As for volume, the play5 is a little weird. Let me try explaining this.

Take your hand on the front of the speaker grill on the front face of the 
speaker bezil. In the top center, you're going to feel a raised engraving 
bit of print letters. Note, this only is applicable to the Play5. I'll 
explain the Play 1 and 3 in a second.  OK, so get yourself oriented with 
that emblum. It's going to be magic key to getting this to work.

On the print raised label, move your finger up from the front face bezil 
right to the top of the unit. Let your finger glide off the front of your 
unit over the top edge until it rests right on the top of the speaker right 
there aligned with where that printed label would be on the front speaker 
grill. There is a small little window there. This is a touch pannel, but 
don't worry. This is very very very very very easy once you know where that 
print label is. You're gonna use that as home base to line yourself up.
There are only 3 items on this touch screen, and they are not context 
sensitive. They always no matter what will be the same. They never ever ever 
change. So... on the left side of the window is volume down. On the right 
side is volume up. In the very center is play/pause. So if you can take your 
finger on the front faced print logo, then just slide your finger up off the 
front, over to the top of the unit, your finger should glide right over the 
window on the area you need to touch. This sounds maybe a little tricky, but 
I swear. It's not. It's really easy. I was able in the Best Buy store to 
consistently get this to work the very first try. It's really really not 
hard once you know where that print label is, and no this little trick.

The play 1 and 3's are a little different. On them, there is no touch 
screen. There are physical buttons.

You will notice that you have a long virtical bar on the top of the speaker, 
just a little offset to the left from the bottom center of the top of the 
unit.  Actually, I'm wrong, I just looked at m

Re: A question about the Sonos

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Aa, my apology then. I wasn't aware there was an older version of the Play5. 
Good to know. One question I have, and feel free to take this off list, 
being it's not mac related, but where's the line in jack located exactly on 
the new Play5? Also, where exactly on the back is the connect button? I ask 
as probably next month, I'm gonna get me one.

---
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JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

i...@gillandmarketing.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
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From: "Simon Fogarty" <si...@blinky-net.com>

To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2016 4:18 AM
Subject: RE: A question about the Sonos


Hi Chris,

Great instructions,

Very well written,

Just one note though, the play 5 you describe here is the new one, the 
older one has a some what more rocker like play pause and vol up / down like 
the 1 and 3, they changed it last year for some reason,

Oh and increased the price,

But still great instructions.

SF

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark 
Gilland

Sent: Monday, 14 November 2016 11:37 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A question about the Sonos

Yes. Absolutely you can.

1. In the app, near the top of the screen, you'll find a button that is 
labeled with the name of the room that is currently playing. If you've 
grouped multiple rooms, it will be labeled with the name of all grouped 
rooms. For example, in my case, I hear Studio and bedroom. Double tap on 
this button.


2.  Now, in the bottom of the screen, you'll see a button that says room 
settings. Double tap on this.


3.  Now, find the room for the speaker you want to adjust the base and 
trebble. Double tap on it.


4.  In this screen, you should find a few things. Trueplay, which basically 
calebrates the speaker via means of test tones being played. This process is 
100% accessible. It didn't used to be, but I got ahold of them, and worked 
very very extensively with them, and though I cannot clame that it was me 
who made it accessible, I think I probably had a huge part to do with it.
You also under here have settings for compression on or off, reducing 
loudness, and your base/trebble, all of which are accessible.


As for volume, the play5 is a little weird. Let me try explaining this.

Take your hand on the front of the speaker grill on the front face of the 
speaker bezil. In the top center, you're going to feel a raised engraving 
bit of print letters. Note, this only is applicable to the Play5. I'll 
explain the Play 1 and 3 in a second.  OK, so get yourself oriented with 
that emblum. It's going to be magic key to getting this to work.


On the print raised label, move your finger up from the front face bezil 
right to the top of the unit. Let your finger glide off the front of your 
unit over the top edge until it rests right on the top of the speaker right 
there aligned with where that printed label would be on the front speaker 
grill. There is a small little window there. This is a touch pannel, but 
don't worry. This is very very very very very easy once you know where that 
print label is. You're gonna use that as home base to line yourself up.
There are only 3 items on this touch screen, and they are not context 
sensitive. They always no matter what will be the same. They never ever ever 
change. So... on the left side of the window is volume down. On the right 
side is volume up. In the very center is play/pause. So if you can take your 
finger on the front faced print logo, then just slide your finger up off the 
front, over to the top of the unit, your finger should glide right over the 
window on the area you need to touch. This sounds maybe a little tricky, but 
I swear. It's not. It's really easy. I was able in the Best Buy store to 
consistently get this to work the very first try. It's really really not 
hard once you know where that print label is, and no this little trick.


The play 1 and 3's are a little different. On them, there is no touch 
screen. There are physical buttons.


You will notice that you have a long virtical bar on the top of the speaker, 
just a little offset to the left from the bottom center of the top of the 
unit.  Actually, I'm wrong, I just looked at mine. It's not offset. It's 
actually dead smack center. This is the volume. Obviously the bar is a 
rocker button. The top part will turn it up with each press, and the bottom 
part turns it down. Just above this is a small square button. It's about the 
size of the pad of your finger. This is play/pause.


Two things to note. ON the Play5, in the back of the speaker, where your 
power cord and your line in jack and what not is, there is a small little 
button. This is the connect button. When connecting the speaker to your 
controller, you'll be asked to hit the connect button. This is the button 
they're talking about.


On the Play1 

RE: A question about the Sonos

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Chris,

 Great instructions,

 Very well written,

 Just one note though, the play 5 you describe here is the new one, the older 
one has a some what more rocker like play pause and vol up / down like the 1 
and 3, they changed it last year for some reason,
 Oh and increased the price,

 But still great instructions.

SF

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Monday, 14 November 2016 11:37 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A question about the Sonos

Yes. Absolutely you can.

1. In the app, near the top of the screen, you'll find a button that is labeled 
with the name of the room that is currently playing. If you've grouped multiple 
rooms, it will be labeled with the name of all grouped rooms. For example, in 
my case, I hear Studio and bedroom. Double tap on this button.

2.  Now, in the bottom of the screen, you'll see a button that says room 
settings. Double tap on this.

3.  Now, find the room for the speaker you want to adjust the base and trebble. 
Double tap on it.

4.  In this screen, you should find a few things. Trueplay, which basically 
calebrates the speaker via means of test tones being played. This process is 
100% accessible. It didn't used to be, but I got ahold of them, and worked very 
very extensively with them, and though I cannot clame that it was me who made 
it accessible, I think I probably had a huge part to do with it. 
You also under here have settings for compression on or off, reducing loudness, 
and your base/trebble, all of which are accessible.

As for volume, the play5 is a little weird. Let me try explaining this.

Take your hand on the front of the speaker grill on the front face of the 
speaker bezil. In the top center, you're going to feel a raised engraving bit 
of print letters. Note, this only is applicable to the Play5. I'll explain the 
Play 1 and 3 in a second.  OK, so get yourself oriented with that emblum. It's 
going to be magic key to getting this to work.

On the print raised label, move your finger up from the front face bezil right 
to the top of the unit. Let your finger glide off the front of your unit over 
the top edge until it rests right on the top of the speaker right there aligned 
with where that printed label would be on the front speaker grill. There is a 
small little window there. This is a touch pannel, but don't worry. This is 
very very very very very easy once you know where that print label is. You're 
gonna use that as home base to line yourself up. 
There are only 3 items on this touch screen, and they are not context 
sensitive. They always no matter what will be the same. They never ever ever 
change. So... on the left side of the window is volume down. On the right side 
is volume up. In the very center is play/pause. So if you can take your finger 
on the front faced print logo, then just slide your finger up off the front, 
over to the top of the unit, your finger should glide right over the window on 
the area you need to touch. This sounds maybe a little tricky, but I swear. 
It's not. It's really easy. I was able in the Best Buy store to consistently 
get this to work the very first try. It's really really not hard once you know 
where that print label is, and no this little trick.

The play 1 and 3's are a little different. On them, there is no touch screen. 
There are physical buttons.

You will notice that you have a long virtical bar on the top of the speaker, 
just a little offset to the left from the bottom center of the top of the unit. 
 Actually, I'm wrong, I just looked at mine. It's not offset. It's actually 
dead smack center. This is the volume. Obviously the bar is a rocker button. 
The top part will turn it up with each press, and the bottom part turns it 
down. Just above this is a small square button. It's about the size of the pad 
of your finger. This is play/pause.

Two things to note. ON the Play5, in the back of the speaker, where your power 
cord and your line in jack and what not is, there is a small little button. 
This is the connect button. When connecting the speaker to your controller, 
you'll be asked to hit the connect button. This is the button they're talking 
about.

On the Play1 and Play3, what you're gonna do is, you're gonna press the volume 
up, and the play/pause buttons at the same time, don't hold them in. 
Just press and release. You're not gonna hold the connect button either on the 
play5, just push and release, by the way. No holding necessary.  You should 
hear then a small little chime tone through the speaker, which will indicate 
you did it correctly, and the controller software should then progress 
automatically to the next step in the setup process.

One more thing. When a song is playing, on either the play1 or play 5, as well 
as the play 3, double pressing, or in the case of the play 5, tapping, the play 
pause button will advance

Re: A question about the Sonos

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Simon, get with me off list. I'd be interested what issues you had with JFW 
and the controller app, as it actually works quite well.


clgillan...@gmail.com
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- Original Message - 
From: "Simon Fogarty" <si...@blinky-net.com>

To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2016 4:11 AM
Subject: RE: A question about the Sonos


Hi Kristine,

I'm not sure about the mac and sonos, I only really use my iPods or iPhone,
I did try the software with Jaws but found that painfully useless. May be 
I'll have to try sonos on my mac later this week sp,eto,e/


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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kristeen Hughes

Sent: Monday, 14 November 2016 4:35 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A question about the Sonos

I have set it up just fine on my iPhone and all works beautifully. I 
discovered how all settings can be accessed. My question is, can the Sonos 
software on the Mac be accessed and used  with VO? It appears to me that it 
can not. It all appears to be images and nothing like on the I devices. I 
would very much like to use it from my Mac mini, but wondered if anyone has 
done this successfully, and if so, how?

On Nov 13, 2016, at 3:41 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:

Hi Kristine,

Firstly you need to setup a sonos system with your device and the sonos 
software on your device.


The software gives you two options,
A sonos system with bridge or a sonos system with or to your home wifi 
network.



It then takes you through a few steps which pair the player 5 with the 
system.


Have you managed to do this as yet?

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kristeen Hughes

Sent: Sunday, 13 November 2016 3:10 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: A question about the Sonos

I just got a Sonos Player: 5. I have installed the Sonos software, but it 
seems very visual and I can do nothing with it. It appears to have added 
my music, but all I see are images and I’m wondering how to actually make 
it work. It is testing my stupidity levels right now and finding them 
high.


Kristeen


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RE: A question about the Sonos

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Kristine,

I'm not sure about the mac and sonos, I only really use my iPods or iPhone, 
I did try the software with Jaws but found that painfully useless. May be I'll 
have to try sonos on my mac later this week sp,eto,e/

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Kristeen Hughes
Sent: Monday, 14 November 2016 4:35 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A question about the Sonos

I have set it up just fine on my iPhone and all works beautifully. I discovered 
how all settings can be accessed. My question is, can the Sonos software on the 
Mac be accessed and used  with VO? It appears to me that it can not. It all 
appears to be images and nothing like on the I devices. I would very much like 
to use it from my Mac mini, but wondered if anyone has done this successfully, 
and if so, how?
> On Nov 13, 2016, at 3:41 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Kristine,
> 
> Firstly you need to setup a sonos system with your device and the sonos 
> software on your device.
> 
> The software gives you two options,
> A sonos system with bridge or a sonos system with or to your home wifi 
> network.
> 
> 
> It then takes you through a few steps which pair the player 5 with the system.
> 
> Have you managed to do this as yet?
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kristeen Hughes
> Sent: Sunday, 13 November 2016 3:10 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: A question about the Sonos
> 
> I just got a Sonos Player: 5. I have installed the Sonos software, but it 
> seems very visual and I can do nothing with it. It appears to have added my 
> music, but all I see are images and I’m wondering how to actually make it 
> work. It is testing my stupidity levels right now and finding them high.
> 
> Kristeen
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Re: A question about the Sonos

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Cristine, congratulations first off on getting it working! Isn't that such a 
great feeling? And, the sound is un! freaking! beatable! and, that's coming 
from an audio engineer, so that's saying something! I still to this day, 
even just on my play 1's can't believe the sound!


Shruggs, you know... The short answer to your question about the mac version 
of the Sonos controller: yes, it can? be done, but, it's a royal pain in the 
ass. Excuse my language. Like you said, there are lots of images, and 
unlabeled buttons. I'm glad that this topic actually came up on the list, as 
I'd like to see you guys write Sonos and express your concerns about this. I 
don't get why they have made it work so well on Windows, iOS, and Android, 
but not OSX. It's definitely very annoying. Alas, the short answer is, yes, 
it can be done, but it's very much hit and miss until you learn what those 
controls are/do. Yeah, theoretically, you could look at the Windows version, 
learn the order of the controls, then move that over to the mac. The problem 
though is, I'm not sure if the controls in tab order on Windows are the same 
order as they appear in VO right and left arrow order on the mac. They 
probably are, but don't count on it. I'm a bit reluctant to tell you this is 
the absolute fact  case.


Some of the buttons have help tags with VO+Shift+H, but not many, 
admittedly. Now, what you could! do, provided someone could sit down with 
you who's sighted, is, you could! in theory, go through those controls and 
images, hit VO+Slash on them, and then label them, but that's really a 
headache, not to mention, not a very viable way to get this working, I'll 
totally agree with you there.


This is why I say, we really need to write Sonos and let them know our 
concerns about this. Trust me. These guys really do care about us, and 
accessibility. My guess is, not many blind people have expressed interest to 
them about making that platform of the app accessible. I agree, they should 
have done so anyway, but the bottom line is, like it or not, they didn't. 
So, we need to voice our opinions. One person, being myself, though I'm a 
tester, isn't going to make them do it. They need a high enough demand. So 
even if you don't have a Sonos system, might I encourage you all to write 
them anyway, and just express your concern in this matter. It really would 
help us users out tremendously!


They're on Twitter:

@Sonossupport

and Facebook.

There's also a contact link on the website, with a phone number, as well as 
a way to e-mail them.


Chris. 


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Re: A question about the Sonos

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You can do base/trebble, and even can do Trueplay®. Go see my previous 
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Subject: Re: A question about the Sonos


Yes.  Or, I should say, I haven't tried to adjust the base and treble on 
mine, but it's very easy to adjust the volume.



On Nov 12, 2016, at 11:18 PM, Kristeen Hughes <khwi...@gmail.com> wrote:

If you use an iPhone, can you adjust the volume, bass, treble and such? 
The Sonos itself is totally flat, and I don’t know how to use its 
controls.


Kristeen


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Hi Christine,

I haven't used Sonos on the Mac, but the IOS version works very well.  If 
you have an i-device, give that a try.

Cheers,
Donna

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I just got a Sonos Player: 5. I have installed the Sonos software, but 
it seems very visual and I can do nothing with it. It appears to have 
added my music, but all I see are images and I’m wondering how to 
actually make it work. It is testing my stupidity levels right now and 
finding them high.


Kristeen


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Re: A question about the Sonos

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From: "Kristeen Hughes" <khwi...@gmail.com>

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Subject: Re: A question about the Sonos


If you use an iPhone, can you adjust the volume, bass, treble and such? The 
Sonos itself is totally flat, and I don’t know how to use its controls.


Kristeen


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Hi Christine,

I haven't used Sonos on the Mac, but the IOS version works very well.  If 
you have an i-device, give that a try.

Cheers,
Donna

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I just got a Sonos Player: 5. I have installed the Sonos software, but it 
seems very visual and I can do nothing with it. It appears to have added 
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Re: A question about the Sonos

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

You are in good hands, my friend! I use Sonos products so extensively, I'm 
literally a private beta tester. I can't really say much more than that 
however regarding that fact. However, in regards to your question, the Sonos 
app is not very speech friendly with voiceover on the Mac. This said, do you 
have an iOS device, or a Windows device? If so, you have two sollutions, 
both of which are 100% accessible.


First off, you can install the Sonos Controller iOS app. It is totally 
totally accessible! Secondly, you can go to:


http://www.sonos.com

and download the Windows PC version of the Sonos controller. Then, you'll 
also need to go to:


http://www.hartgen.org/sonos

and get the free JAWS scripts that Brian wrote for the controller. They're 
not required, but they'll definitely help tremendously.


Actually, you even have a 3rd option, come to think of it. You also can use 
the controller app through Android e with any of the screen readers over 
there like Talkback, Spiel, Shine, Voice Assist, etc. There might even be an 
app for the Kindle Fire, but not sure. If you have an Amazon Alexa Echo, you 
even can control the speakers with your voice.


You also may want to go to

http://www.mosen.org

Jonathan Mosen has written a book which is very very reasonably priced, and 
very very very worth it, which will explain every single aspect of the Sonos 
system. After reading the book cover to cover in one day, I was so freaking 
hooked/convinced, that I went that very day, practically begging! my 
grandmother to take me to Best Buy to pick up a set of Play1's. It was 
probably one of the best investments I've ever made!


Cristine, if you'd like to do so, this is my work number, but it rings at 
all hours of the day to my home office. I'll be here all tonight, and all 
tomorrow, so feel free to call me if you'd like to discuss this further via 
voice. I'd be tickled to death to help you with this! Again, this number 
already is very much public knowledge, so it's not like I'm giving out 
personal info on list. It's in my signature anyway, so it's not like people 
can't already get it.


You can call me at: 704-256-8010, Then choose option 1 from the IVR. If you 
don't get me, leave me a voicemail with a number, and I'll call you back. 
I'm on eastern time, and there is no time which is most convenient. Just 
call whenever.


Please don't return the speaker though. I cross my heart we can get you up 
and running! If you return, you'll definitely regret in the long run. Hell, 
I'd kill! for a set of play5's, but they weren't in my budget at the time.

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Subject: A question about the Sonos


I just got a Sonos Player: 5. I have installed the Sonos software, but it 
seems very visual and I can do nothing with it. It appears to have added my 
music, but all I see are images and I’m wondering how to actually make it 
work. It is testing my stupidity levels right now and finding them high.


Kristeen


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Re: A question about the Sonos

[Chris Meredith]

Unfortunately I’ve had zero success getting the Songs software to work on my 
Mac (haven’t tried it on my Windows VM) but, like everyone else who has 
commented so far, I do find it works splendidly on iOS—and, as it happe
> On Nov 13, 2016, at 10:34 AM, Kristeen Hughes <khwi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ns, Android, if that’s a thing you’re interested in at all.
> I have set it up just fine on my iPhone and all works beautifully. I 
> discovered how all settings can be accessed. My question is, can the Sonos 
> software on the Mac be accessed and used  with VO? It appears to me that it 
> can not. It all appears to be images and nothing like on the I devices. I 
> would very much like to use it from my Mac mini, but wondered if anyone has 
> done this successfully, and if so, how?
>> On Nov 13, 2016, at 3:41 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Kristine,
>> 
>> Firstly you need to setup a sonos system with your device and the sonos 
>> software on your device.
>> 
>> The software gives you two options,
>> A sonos system with bridge or a sonos system with or to your home wifi 
>> network.
>> 
>> 
>> It then takes you through a few steps which pair the player 5 with the 
>> system.
>> 
>> Have you managed to do this as yet?
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kristeen Hughes
>> Sent: Sunday, 13 November 2016 3:10 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: A question about the Sonos
>> 
>> I just got a Sonos Player: 5. I have installed the Sonos software, but it 
>> seems very visual and I can do nothing with it. It appears to have added my 
>> music, but all I see are images and I’m wondering how to actually make it 
>> work. It is testing my stupidity levels right now and finding them high.
>> 
>> Kristeen
>> 
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Re: A question about the Sonos

[Kristeen Hughes]

I have set it up just fine on my iPhone and all works beautifully. I discovered 
how all settings can be accessed. My question is, can the Sonos software on the 
Mac be accessed and used  with VO? It appears to me that it can not. It all 
appears to be images and nothing like on the I devices. I would very much like 
to use it from my Mac mini, but wondered if anyone has done this successfully, 
and if so, how?
> On Nov 13, 2016, at 3:41 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Kristine,
> 
> Firstly you need to setup a sonos system with your device and the sonos 
> software on your device.
> 
> The software gives you two options,
> A sonos system with bridge or a sonos system with or to your home wifi 
> network.
> 
> 
> It then takes you through a few steps which pair the player 5 with the system.
> 
> Have you managed to do this as yet?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kristeen Hughes
> Sent: Sunday, 13 November 2016 3:10 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: A question about the Sonos
> 
> I just got a Sonos Player: 5. I have installed the Sonos software, but it 
> seems very visual and I can do nothing with it. It appears to have added my 
> music, but all I see are images and I’m wondering how to actually make it 
> work. It is testing my stupidity levels right now and finding them high.
> 
> Kristeen
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Re: A question about the Sonos

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Yes.  Or, I should say, I haven't tried to adjust the base and treble on mine, 
but it's very easy to adjust the volume.

> On Nov 12, 2016, at 11:18 PM, Kristeen Hughes  wrote:
> 
> If you use an iPhone, can you adjust the volume, bass, treble and such? The 
> Sonos itself is totally flat, and I don’t know how to use its controls.
> 
> Kristeen
> 
>> On Nov 12, 2016, at 11:18 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Christine,
>> 
>> I haven't used Sonos on the Mac, but the IOS version works very well.  If 
>> you have an i-device, give that a try.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Nov 12, 2016, at 8:10 PM, Kristeen Hughes  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I just got a Sonos Player: 5. I have installed the Sonos software, but it 
>>> seems very visual and I can do nothing with it. It appears to have added my 
>>> music, but all I see are images and I’m wondering how to actually make it 
>>> work. It is testing my stupidity levels right now and finding them high.
>>> 
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RE: A question about the Sonos

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Kristine,

 All sonos settings can be accessed from the sonos application on your device.

 I have the software on my phone iPad and iPods,

 All of the devices have the same library and settings 
Including the speaker setups which at the moment I have 6 of the player 1 
speakers around my house and they are all groupe in to one system, but normally 
they aare split into my lounge and my bedroom 



I can go in and change bass volum and other settings.

 It's a very cool setup and very very accessible on the ios devices.

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Kristeen Hughes
Sent: Sunday, 13 November 2016 6:18 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A question about the Sonos

If you use an iPhone, can you adjust the volume, bass, treble and such? The 
Sonos itself is totally flat, and I don’t know how to use its controls.

Kristeen

> On Nov 12, 2016, at 11:18 PM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Christine,
> 
> I haven't used Sonos on the Mac, but the IOS version works very well.  If you 
> have an i-device, give that a try.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Nov 12, 2016, at 8:10 PM, Kristeen Hughes <khwi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I just got a Sonos Player: 5. I have installed the Sonos software, but it 
>> seems very visual and I can do nothing with it. It appears to have added my 
>> music, but all I see are images and I’m wondering how to actually make it 
>> work. It is testing my stupidity levels right now and finding them high.
>> 
>> Kristeen
>> 
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RE: A question about the Sonos

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Kristine,

 Firstly you need to setup a sonos system with your device and the sonos 
software on your device.

The software gives you two options,
 A sonos system with bridge or a sonos system with or to your home wifi network.


It then takes you through a few steps which pair the player 5 with the system.

Have you managed to do this as yet?

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On Behalf Of Kristeen Hughes
Sent: Sunday, 13 November 2016 3:10 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: A question about the Sonos

I just got a Sonos Player: 5. I have installed the Sonos software, but it seems 
very visual and I can do nothing with it. It appears to have added my music, 
but all I see are images and I’m wondering how to actually make it work. It is 
testing my stupidity levels right now and finding them high.

Kristeen


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Re: A question about the Sonos

[Kristeen Hughes]

If you use an iPhone, can you adjust the volume, bass, treble and such? The 
Sonos itself is totally flat, and I don’t know how to use its controls.

Kristeen

> On Nov 12, 2016, at 11:18 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
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> Hi Christine,
> 
> I haven't used Sonos on the Mac, but the IOS version works very well.  If you 
> have an i-device, give that a try.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Nov 12, 2016, at 8:10 PM, Kristeen Hughes  wrote:
>> 
>> I just got a Sonos Player: 5. I have installed the Sonos software, but it 
>> seems very visual and I can do nothing with it. It appears to have added my 
>> music, but all I see are images and I’m wondering how to actually make it 
>> work. It is testing my stupidity levels right now and finding them high.
>> 
>> Kristeen
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Re: A question about the Sonos

[Donna Goodin]

Hi Christine,

I haven't used Sonos on the Mac, but the IOS version works very well.  If you 
have an i-device, give that a try.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Nov 12, 2016, at 8:10 PM, Kristeen Hughes  wrote:
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> seems very visual and I can do nothing with it. It appears to have added my 
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A question about the Sonos

[Kristeen Hughes]

I just got a Sonos Player: 5. I have installed the Sonos software, but it seems 
very visual and I can do nothing with it. It appears to have added my music, 
but all I see are images and I’m wondering how to actually make it work. It is 
testing my stupidity levels right now and finding them high.

Kristeen


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