Re: [MBZ] OT: RKBA
Dogs have owners, cats have staff. Even the shy ones get bossy! -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Jan 16, 2013, at 21:16, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Do you sometimes feel like you are the pet of two cats? Our two current cats are both terrified of humans, but predecessors were quite arrogant, tolerated us humans most of the time. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Mystal and Polydamas. On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 5:24 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Welcome to my humble abode, which I share with my lovely wife and our pet Peeves. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Why? On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 5:06 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: You should name on of your cats Peeves --R On 1/16/13 4:50 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Trivializing Hitler by ascribing all sorts of relatively benign things to him is one of my pet peeves. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] banished for life
I'm not banished per se, but my membership request got a pocket veto... -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Jan 16, 2013, at 23:16, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: I used to wonder if being a member of this list got you banned over there. On Wednesday, January 16, 2013, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: To Max: this in not banned, so you can stay (as if I had anything to say about it) I subscribed for a while. too many posts, very little of interest. ( I had 2 110s and a 123 at the time) posts were about newish cars. Many posts about simple things. Can't remember if I posted anything. Nothing I remember.Didn't want to get banned. By then, (1996 or so) it already had the moniker of Hitler list. Alex' Veterans list was much better than the hitler list. OK Don was there, there are others here that were on the Vets list before the Dickarde lists when Alex transferred the list to Dickarde. Kathy was the list mon at MBCA then, but again too much about little insignificant things on new cars, and little about vintage cars other than pagodas. Good question, although I quit the list after it became clear that it was/is a dictatorship, sort of like this list but Klebby is a wanna be dictator, so I can handle that. Hendrik who is not tyrannical on most days On 17/01/13 11:47, Max Dillon wrote: I posted once or twice, didn't get banned. :( Can I stay? __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT GUN definition Hollywood style and They took their ball and when home
Yeah but you see em shooting like machine guns on the movies? Are you saying that Hollywood is lying to us? Actually are we talking about military grade fully auto types or the civilian detuned ones? Hendrik who is going to have a big cry now On 17/01/13 15:46, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: More on this, I think the average low information person thinks assault riffles are machine guns. I heard one of them on the radio talking about these guns shooting 100 rounds a minute. Bzzt wrong ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT GUN They took their ball and when home
Max Dillon wrote: Republicans control the house, no national gun control measure will be passed. John Boner controls the house. Republican In Name Only at best. Legislators far more Constitution friendly than Boner (Chuck Grassley, for example) have already voiced support for a magazine ban. We've got a fight on our hands if we don't want the usual compromise to happen (their idea of compromise is they give us no new rights and we lose fewer of our rights than they originally proposed to take). Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] They took their ball and when home
I have never felt the need to have a gun, but I respect the rights of those who do as long as they act responsibly with them, which I believe is about 99% of the (legal) owners. We had guns in the house as a kid, but we all had to take a gun safety course when we were fairly young, maybe 10-12 years old if memory serves me correctly. I don't fear them, I just don't have a need for one nor do they interest me. Dan On Jan 17, 2013, at 12:11 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: It's amazing some folks you would normally think of as being intelligent when you bring it up they just think nobody should have guns, they have never felt the need to have one so nobody should have them. When you try to explain that is great they have never been in that situation but if they were faced with their family or themselves fixing to get killed it would be great to have one to defend themselves with. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 16, 2013, at 8:48 PM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: ...I have very little patience or respect for somebody who is scared of the very mention of guns. It is hardly fright about mention of guns. I disagree. If boredom alone drove people off, any OT discussion of a PC acting flakey would have done it. Or maybe an oil thread? I've met them before. Mere mention of the means of effective self-defense makes 'em act like you're about to vivisect their pet, personally. Or child. It's truly weird. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] They took their ball and when home
Craig wrote: On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 23:30:58 -0500 Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: An armed society is a polite society I heard that attributed to Robert Heinlein, but I'm not sure that's true. It was in some of his books, but that doesn't mean he invented it. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] banished for life
John Reames wrote: I'm not banished per se, but my membership request got a pocket veto... Same thing happened to me in 2002, and I believe Rich Thomas. Mitch ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] banished
No reason. Many banishments seem to be purely random. I was one of the founding ten members, only to be banned later because I pointed out that the king was wearing no clothes, so to speak. Needless to say that went over poorly, and resulted in my banishment. Actually, I was offered to be reinstated, but I refused to surrender alias addresses I had subscribed to the list as a backup (always have a backup plan!) With that I was summarily dismissed. The joke is on them, however, as to this day I have numerous alias accounts, some of which I still post from as a totally innocuous member with a completely different persona. It's so, so lame over there any more. Like a bunch of old farts sitting around at the diner in the morning with nothing to do or someplace to go. Not even remotely like it was 10 years ago. Dan On Jan 16, 2013, at 11:10 PM, clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net wrote: I lasted a week. I still have no idea what I did to upset him clay On Jan 16, 2013, at 4:46 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: Clay'd: Was banned from the hitler list by Stu. As was I. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Voltage
Actually started thinking of a new battery as well. It was in the car when I bought it. On Jan 16, 2013, at 9:54 PM, Jim Cathey wrote: Hmmm. Is this the voltage regulator perhaps wearing? I cannot believe the fogs draw that muchit never did that before. Your battery is not charged, else you would not have noticed. That usually implies alternator/VR problems, that have been around a little while --- long enough for the battery to not be/get fully charged. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Voltage
I'll make sure it stays in the garage the next time you are in town! On Jan 16, 2013, at 11:20 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: Seems like your car caught what my car had:) Sent from my iPhone On Jan 16, 2013, at 5:53 PM, Jon Agne jonag...@gwi.net wrote: Yes. After it stops snowing. On Jan 16, 2013, at 5:40 PM, Max Dillon wrote: Sounds like you could easily duplicate the conditions, measure voltage at the battery and see what's going on. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Jon Agne jonag...@gwi.net wrote: The only thing that dropped off-line was the Alpine radiowho knows, maybe there is built in protection. On Jan 16, 2013, at 5:20 PM, Max Dillon wrote: Apparently the fog lights draw enough, combined with the rest, to push your creasing system over the edge. Sure sounds like your alternator/battery is unable to carry the load, but the battery alone should have kept everything running. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Jon Agne jonag...@gwi.net wrote: Something strange happened on the way to the forum today..actually my doctor appointment this morning Being in Maine it was still dark, and snowy, and foggy, etc., etc. So I had the lights, wipers, and rear defog on. Blower was on a medium speed. When I turned on the fog lights at a stop sign, the radio turns off, and I notice that the blower and wipers are operating very slowly. I pull away from the stop sign and all returns to normaluntil the next stop light. Radio again turns off and the wipers and blower slow down. Hmmm. Is this the voltage regulator perhaps wearing? I cannot believe the fogs draw that muchit never did that before. Jon ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Voltage
Haha. Might want to give it a rub down with hand sanitizer too:) Sent from my iPhone On Jan 17, 2013, at 7:27 AM, Jon Agne jonag...@gwi.net wrote: I'll make sure it stays in the garage the next time you are in town! On Jan 16, 2013, at 11:20 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: Seems like your car caught what my car had:) Sent from my iPhone On Jan 16, 2013, at 5:53 PM, Jon Agne jonag...@gwi.net wrote: Yes. After it stops snowing. On Jan 16, 2013, at 5:40 PM, Max Dillon wrote: Sounds like you could easily duplicate the conditions, measure voltage at the battery and see what's going on. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Jon Agne jonag...@gwi.net wrote: The only thing that dropped off-line was the Alpine radiowho knows, maybe there is built in protection. On Jan 16, 2013, at 5:20 PM, Max Dillon wrote: Apparently the fog lights draw enough, combined with the rest, to push your creasing system over the edge. Sure sounds like your alternator/battery is unable to carry the load, but the battery alone should have kept everything running. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Jon Agne jonag...@gwi.net wrote: Something strange happened on the way to the forum today..actually my doctor appointment this morning Being in Maine it was still dark, and snowy, and foggy, etc., etc. So I had the lights, wipers, and rear defog on. Blower was on a medium speed. When I turned on the fog lights at a stop sign, the radio turns off, and I notice that the blower and wipers are operating very slowly. I pull away from the stop sign and all returns to normaluntil the next stop light. Radio again turns off and the wipers and blower slow down. Hmmm. Is this the voltage regulator perhaps wearing? I cannot believe the fogs draw that muchit never did that before. Jon ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] banished for life
yeah I think I never got approved for some reason. --R On 1/17/13 7:18 AM, Mitch Haley wrote: John Reames wrote: I'm not banished per se, but my membership request got a pocket veto... Same thing happened to me in 2002, and I believe Rich Thomas. Mitch ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] banished for life
I was a member back in the late nineties. I was active for a couple of years but then stopped posting for awhile as my email address changed. I tried to rejoin several times and was ignored. What is wrong with those idiots anyway? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 17, 2013, at 7:18 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: John Reames wrote: I'm not banished per se, but my membership request got a pocket veto... Same thing happened to me in 2002, and I believe Rich Thomas. Mitch ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] banished for life
Probably when crispy pancakes Hank took over list admin. When you live in Wind River, WY, the concept of high speed Internet means a heavier string and a juice can versus a soup can Dan banned and proud of it On Jan 17, 2013, at 8:58 AM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: I was a member back in the late nineties. I was active for a couple of years but then stopped posting for awhile as my email address changed. I tried to rejoin several times and was ignored. What is wrong with those idiots anyway? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 17, 2013, at 7:18 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: John Reames wrote: I'm not banished per se, but my membership request got a pocket veto... Same thing happened to me in 2002, and I believe Rich Thomas. Mitch ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] banished
Ya piss off the list queen, she banishes you to La La Land. Queen speaks, no appeals, similar to Executive Order. Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (159,xxx mi) On 1/17/2013 6:20 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: No reason. Many banishments seem to be purely random. I was one of the founding ten members, only to be banned later because I pointed out that the king was wearing no clothes, so to speak. Needless to say that went over poorly, and resulted in my banishment. Actually, I was offered to be reinstated, but I refused to surrender alias addresses I had subscribed to the list as a backup (always have a backup plan!) With that I was summarily dismissed. The joke is on them, however, as to this day I have numerous alias accounts, some of which I still post from as a totally innocuous member with a completely different persona. It's so, so lame over there any more. Like a bunch of old farts sitting around at the diner in the morning with nothing to do or someplace to go. Not even remotely like it was 10 years ago. Dan On Jan 16, 2013, at 11:10 PM, clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net wrote: I lasted a week. I still have no idea what I did to upset him clay On Jan 16, 2013, at 4:46 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: Clay'd: Was banned from the hitler list by Stu. As was I. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] They took their ball and when home
An armed society is a polite society I heard that attributed to Robert Heinlein, but I'm not sure that's true. He certainly used/popularized it, no idea if he coined it as well. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT GUN definition and They took their ball and when home
OK fair enough, you may replace 'assault rifle' with... Assault rifle _is_ an industry-recognized term, and with rare exceptions in the USA _nobody_ can have one. The banners coined the term assault weapon to apply to anything sufficiently 'scary' by their lights, and started using it heavily hoping that nobody would know the difference. (And easy enough to change the definition behind the scenes, to encompass more and more.) Either term is probably passe, in their lights. I expect them to start using machine gun (because they are _all_ machines, or at least machined), or, more likely, murder tubes. Nobody needs a murder tube at home, think of the children! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gotta Wonder About Those Canadians...
Hi Wilton About 800 miles from Winnipeg to Edmonton. Randy On 16/01/2013 5:22 PM, WILTON wrote: Yep, umm-hmm. Nothing weird. BTW, anybody heard from Randy this afternoon? ;) How far is Winnipoo from Eddiemonton? Wilton - Original Message - From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 6:06 PM Subject: [MBZ] Gotta Wonder About Those Canadians... Nothing weird is going to happen: http://edmonton.en.craigslist.ca/stp/3542260564.html Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] banished for life
I don't think so, but that was a long time ago. The oldest Benz I had was 1970 220D - too new for the veterans list? On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 10:31 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: I actually found this list when Kaleb volunteered to take Joe's SL list after he sold his SL and bought a sailboat. You sayin you were not on the Mercedes Veterans list, Pre Dickarde? __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 2012 Passat TDI DSG 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager 1957 C182A ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT might be political and scary DBR
I took German in 1999, and the instructor was still going on about this. At that point the man had been dead for 35 YEARS! Is there no statute of limitations on malapropisms? Best, Tim kein Berliner On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 11:09 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: I am a little jelly donut! --R On 1/16/13 8:42 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Good catch. We of a certain vintage remember JFK's charming pronunciation... On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 5:22 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79TD300@**constructivity.netrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Yer not supposed to go to Cuber, and that is not where I am going. --R On 1/16/13 5:09 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Cuber? On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 4:54 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79TD300@**constructivity.netrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: No she and her husband are here visiting (and loving it). G-d forbid I be in Boston, it is 75F/sunny here today and disastrous near Boston. I am headed further south tomorrow, about as far as one can go. --R On 1/16/13 4:47 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Wow - does that mean you're in Boston now? On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 12:50 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79TD300@**constructivity.netrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: I had dinner last night with the woman who put together the binders full of women for Mittens when he was guvnah of Mass. --R __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] banished
Ah, but it is a kinder, gentler list these days. They are mainly into arguing about gun control and when someone objected, he was told by Stu to just not worry about it. Getting to where there is very little MB content on it any more. Becoming too much effort to delete all the garbage. Randy On 16/01/2013 6:46 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: Clay'd: Was banned from the hitler list by Stu. As was I. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] banished
I have not been turfed from it but I got a strongly worded private message from one of them (Hank I think) when someone asked about sources for parts and I suggested I had had good service from Rusty. Randy On 16/01/2013 6:46 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: Clay'd: Was banned from the hitler list by Stu. As was I. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT GUN definition and They took their ball and when home
Sorry, respectfully I must not agree. The long description used below still ratchets the rhetoric to inflammatory rather than fact. The device is simply a rifle, nothing more, nothing less. To use any other descriptive term for it engages in fear mongering, which, in it's self is a continuation of the method of assault, which I must protest. In a more perfect world, the simple facts would be stated. Intelligent, capable of using logic and facts people would draw their own conclusions, and the points of failure by society in dealing with these miscreants which not only allowed them to carry out their evil acts, but supported them, would be recognized. In a wise clear thinking society, actions would then be taken that contained such individuals in such a way as to prevent harm to others. The underlying issues in each of these assaults by individuals who used a gun, if the true facts are looked at clearly, show a pattern of repeated failures, by society, to: 1. Recognize a dangerous individual. 2. Take firm and appropriate action immediately. 3. Remove that individual to a safe place for humane treatment. 4. Use a Catch and Release approach, rather than a Hold and Protect approach. To simply repeat 24/7 on mass media channels, inflammatory and inaccurate rhetoric about evil guns frankly scares and assaults people. I protest because it masks the facts. If the same work effort was devoted to recognizing the true points of failure that lead to these events the world would be a better place with more time to devote to our beloved Mercedes Diesels. Grant... -Off to practice cursing and find recipe for the eating of my young- On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 9:08 PM, Hendrik and fay heni...@gmail.com wrote: OK fair enough, you may replace 'assault rifle' with 'somewhat high powered, semi automatic, self loading, large magazine capacity, similar to military type, not particularly accurate at longer distance, popular with preppers, type of rifle' Hendrik who is about to go out in the heat, according to gauge it's 45C on the roof but am not going there On 17/01/13 14:14, G Mann wrote: I respectfully submit, it is impossible for a rifle to assault. An individual can assault, however, a device can not. The use of the term assault rifle is intended to assault your senses and is thus, by legal interpretation, an assault. Many laws, in many countries, all are written to hold an individual responsible for the act of assault. I have yet to find even one case, in one court, where a device , ie a rifle, has met the legal standard of Mens Rea. Mens Rea [see Blacks Law Dictionary] requires two things, the Intent, and the Act. Please produce for me a device that by it's own volition, meets those qualifiers. A man may assault another with a rock, club, or gun.. but the rock, club, or gun are incapable of that act of assault by themselves. To be progressively mislead into the improper use of such inflammatory language, by those who at the same time loudly assault verbally themselves is in large part responsible for the volatile rhetoric we have, on both sides of the issue. It is my considered opinion that those who are terrified of demons freely demonize anything that they do not understand and being fearful run rather than self educate and think logically. Or, they are just damn crazy and not capable of logical thought. I'm off to curse and eat my young while I argue oil and tires with some @#)($*% idiot. Grant... :)) On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 8:02 PM, Hendrik and fay heni...@gmail.com wrote: Yes sort of like the mere mention of gun control makes them act like the King of England is invading and they only have 20 assault rifles stashed under the bed. Hendrik who has nothing under the bed but dust On 17/01/13 13:18, Jim Cathey wrote: I've met them before. Mere mention of the means of effective self-defense makes 'em act like you're about to vivisect their pet, personally. Or child. It's truly weird. -- Jim __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] They took their ball and when home
Hmmm.. I'll have to grok on that. On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 9:30 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: An armed society is a polite society --R On 1/16/13 8:44 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I wonder why anyone would feel secure knowing that I MIGHT be packing heat. On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 8:35 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: Kaleb wrote: ...I have very little patience or respect for somebody who is scared of the very mention of guns. It is hardly fright about mention of guns. It is more along the lines that there ain't nuttin' to be said that hasn't been said for 50 years. No new information, no new arguments. It really is a boring dialog/debate. mao __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] banished
Yes. Mentioning the Q or Kaleb is almost sure to get you poofed. So much for free speech. Dan On Jan 17, 2013, at 11:28 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: I have not been turfed from it but I got a strongly worded private message from one of them (Hank I think) when someone asked about sources for parts and I suggested I had had good service from Rusty. Randy On 16/01/2013 6:46 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: Clay'd: Was banned from the hitler list by Stu. As was I. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gotta Wonder About Those Canadians...
Yeah, 'thought so; too far for an afternoon's sojourn. I was just kidding ya 'bout your weird neighbor. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 11:25 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gotta Wonder About Those Canadians... Hi Wilton About 800 miles from Winnipeg to Edmonton. Randy On 16/01/2013 5:22 PM, WILTON wrote: Yep, umm-hmm. Nothing weird. BTW, anybody heard from Randy this afternoon? ;) How far is Winnipoo from Eddiemonton? Wilton - Original Message - From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 6:06 PM Subject: [MBZ] Gotta Wonder About Those Canadians... Nothing weird is going to happen: http://edmonton.en.craigslist.ca/stp/3542260564.html Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gotta Wonder About Those Canadians...
Edmonton is a wonderful place, even if there are strange Star Trek role playing people there. I have visited it several times, and always had an enjoyable stay. Great jumping off spot for heading over to Jasper and then down the Icefields Parkway to Lake Louise and Banff. Dan, eh On Jan 17, 2013, at 11:57 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Yeah, 'thought so; too far for an afternoon's sojourn. I was just kidding ya 'bout your weird neighbor. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 11:25 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gotta Wonder About Those Canadians... Hi Wilton About 800 miles from Winnipeg to Edmonton. Randy On 16/01/2013 5:22 PM, WILTON wrote: Yep, umm-hmm. Nothing weird. BTW, anybody heard from Randy this afternoon? ;) How far is Winnipoo from Eddiemonton? Wilton - Original Message - From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 6:06 PM Subject: [MBZ] Gotta Wonder About Those Canadians... Nothing weird is going to happen: http://edmonton.en.craigslist.ca/stp/3542260564.html Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT GUN definition and They took their ball and when home
The M16 (and AR15 its civilian equivalent) gets shot out at 1000-2000 yards and is considered pretty accurate. The problem with assault rifle is what people really mean is scary rifle and they want to define it by I dunno but I'll know when I see it so an assault rifle ban means a ban on all guns that scare me which is just stupid. You want to ban a Mac10, say Mac10 gun ban and I might even support it. Don't even get me started on the ones that say Ban automatic weapons... -Curt Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 14:38:01 +1030 From: Hendrik and fay heni...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT GUN definition and They took their ball and when home Message-ID: 50f77921.7070...@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed OK fair enough, you may replace 'assault rifle' with 'somewhat high powered, semi automatic, self loading, large magazine capacity, similar to military type, not particularly accurate at longer distance, popular with preppers, type of rifle' Hendrik who is about to go out in the heat, according to gauge it's 45C on the roof but am not going there ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT might be political and scary DBR
Malapropisms have a statute of limitations that is driven by events and not merely by the passage of time. I believe it is that everyone keeps hearing about it until someone of more import commits an equally egregious crime against the same language or until someone of some import commits a more egregious crime against the same language. -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Jan 17, 2013, at 11:25, Tim C bb...@crone.us wrote: I took German in 1999, and the instructor was still going on about this. At that point the man had been dead for 35 YEARS! Is there no statute of limitations on malapropisms? Best, Tim kein Berliner On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 11:09 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: I am a little jelly donut! --R On 1/16/13 8:42 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Good catch. We of a certain vintage remember JFK's charming pronunciation... On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 5:22 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79TD300@**constructivity.netrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Yer not supposed to go to Cuber, and that is not where I am going. --R On 1/16/13 5:09 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Cuber? On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 4:54 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79TD300@**constructivity.netrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: No she and her husband are here visiting (and loving it). G-d forbid I be in Boston, it is 75F/sunny here today and disastrous near Boston. I am headed further south tomorrow, about as far as one can go. --R On 1/16/13 4:47 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Wow - does that mean you're in Boston now? On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 12:50 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79TD300@**constructivity.netrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: I had dinner last night with the woman who put together the binders full of women for Mittens when he was guvnah of Mass. --R __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '93 500e on Portland CL
Aren't those the Porsche-assembled ones? -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Jan 15, 2013, at 13:00, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: You don't see these too often. http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/cto/3536505834.html Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '93 500e on Portland CL
'Nother one trying to make a big deal about the wheels. Should I feel cheated that I've never had custom wheels? Au contraire, I've always felt fortunate to have had factory original wheels that have worked very well. Oh! 'Just realized - I have CUSTOM wheels on my 2-wheel utility trailer! 'Replaced springs, axle and wheels on it several years ago. The wheels are 15 stamped steel, though; do they count as CUSTOM? I bought 'em 'specially for the trailer, they take MB 123 wheel covers very nicely, too. Wilton - Original Message - From: John Reames jwrea...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '93 500e on Portland CL Aren't those the Porsche-assembled ones? -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Jan 15, 2013, at 13:00, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: You don't see these too often. http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/cto/3536505834.html Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '93 500e on Portland CL
Yes. Rick Sent from my iPhone On Jan 17, 2013, at 11:40 AM, John Reames jwrea...@comcast.net wrote: Aren't those the Porsche-assembled ones? -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Jan 15, 2013, at 13:00, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: You don't see these too often. http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/cto/3536505834.html Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT GUN definition and They took their ball and when home
On Jan 17, 2013, at 10:35 AM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Grant... -Off to practice cursing and find recipe for the eating of my young- If you want to be on the Banned List, you need to sign up. It is very much like how you signed up for this list. Sign up here then. http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/banned_okiebenz.com It has been pretty tame lately. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '93 500e on Portland CL
Well genuine AMG Monoblok II wheels are , but I've never seen genuine ones in chrome. Mine are silver with a polished aluminum lip. Even good knock offs can have the AMG stamp on the outside... the key is to check the part number inside... HWA xxx xxx xx xx are genuine. TE -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of WILTON Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 1:56 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] '93 500e on Portland CL 'Nother one trying to make a big deal about the wheels. Should I feel cheated that I've never had custom wheels? Au contraire, I've always felt fortunate to have had factory original wheels that have worked very well. Oh! 'Just realized - I have CUSTOM wheels on my 2-wheel utility trailer! 'Replaced springs, axle and wheels on it several years ago. The wheels are 15 stamped steel, though; do they count as CUSTOM? I bought 'em 'specially for the trailer, they take MB 123 wheel covers very nicely, too. Wilton - Original Message - From: John Reames jwrea...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '93 500e on Portland CL Aren't those the Porsche-assembled ones? -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Jan 15, 2013, at 13:00, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: You don't see these too often. http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/cto/3536505834.html Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] banished
Mea Culpa. Here I thought this was a list with a few rejects from the Master List, when it seems we're all rejects from the Master List waiting for our inevitable fate. Soon they'll come for us, send our diesels to the crusher, and all of us will be sent to the gas station for 30 proof alcohol. Gerryalso a reject from the Master List I posted once or twice, didn't get banned. :( Can I stay? Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: Me too Clay'd: Was banned from the hitler list by Stu. As was I. RLE Good question, although I quit the list after it became clear that it was/is a dictatorship, sort of like this list but Klebby is a wanna be dictator, so I can handle that. Hendrik who is not tyrannical on most days I posted once or twice, didn't get banned. :( Can I stay? OK Don I'm not banished per se, but my membership request got a pocket veto... John W Reames ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] They took their ball and when home
A quick search of quotes all turn up Heinlein as the originator, for what it's worth. On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 10:01 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: An armed society is a polite society I heard that attributed to Robert Heinlein, but I'm not sure that's true. He certainly used/popularized it, no idea if he coined it as well. -- Jim __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 2012 Passat TDI DSG 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager 1957 C182A ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT GUN definition and They took their ball and when home
Great ideas, but this is a VERY imperfect world. Very few of the people meeting the criteria that the recent evil doers meet actually commit violence. You catch and hold way too many to catch too few, and still don't know who is dangerous and who isn't. I suspect that it is true that the widespread availability of guns increases the use of them in cases where the lack of one would deter some acts. However, we're still talking relatively small numbers. If you want to get upset about senseless deaths, go after road rage and drunken driving. I'm far more scared of idiots with cars than idiots with guns. I don't see anything in the constitution that says you have a right to exceed the posted speed limits or drive under the influence of any drug, unlike the right to bear arms. On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 10:35 AM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry, respectfully I must not agree. The long description used below still ratchets the rhetoric to inflammatory rather than fact. The device is simply a rifle, nothing more, nothing less. To use any other descriptive term for it engages in fear mongering, which, in it's self is a continuation of the method of assault, which I must protest. In a more perfect world, the simple facts would be stated. Intelligent, capable of using logic and facts people would draw their own conclusions, and the points of failure by society in dealing with these miscreants which not only allowed them to carry out their evil acts, but supported them, would be recognized. In a wise clear thinking society, actions would then be taken that contained such individuals in such a way as to prevent harm to others. The underlying issues in each of these assaults by individuals who used a gun, if the true facts are looked at clearly, show a pattern of repeated failures, by society, to: 1. Recognize a dangerous individual. 2. Take firm and appropriate action immediately. 3. Remove that individual to a safe place for humane treatment. 4. Use a Catch and Release approach, rather than a Hold and Protect approach. To simply repeat 24/7 on mass media channels, inflammatory and inaccurate rhetoric about evil guns frankly scares and assaults people. I protest because it masks the facts. If the same work effort was devoted to recognizing the true points of failure that lead to these events the world would be a better place with more time to devote to our beloved Mercedes Diesels. Grant... -Off to practice cursing and find recipe for the eating of my young- On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 9:08 PM, Hendrik and fay heni...@gmail.com wrote: OK fair enough, you may replace 'assault rifle' with 'somewhat high powered, semi automatic, self loading, large magazine capacity, similar to military type, not particularly accurate at longer distance, popular with preppers, type of rifle' Hendrik who is about to go out in the heat, according to gauge it's 45C on the roof but am not going there On 17/01/13 14:14, G Mann wrote: I respectfully submit, it is impossible for a rifle to assault. An individual can assault, however, a device can not. The use of the term assault rifle is intended to assault your senses and is thus, by legal interpretation, an assault. Many laws, in many countries, all are written to hold an individual responsible for the act of assault. I have yet to find even one case, in one court, where a device , ie a rifle, has met the legal standard of Mens Rea. Mens Rea [see Blacks Law Dictionary] requires two things, the Intent, and the Act. Please produce for me a device that by it's own volition, meets those qualifiers. A man may assault another with a rock, club, or gun.. but the rock, club, or gun are incapable of that act of assault by themselves. To be progressively mislead into the improper use of such inflammatory language, by those who at the same time loudly assault verbally themselves is in large part responsible for the volatile rhetoric we have, on both sides of the issue. It is my considered opinion that those who are terrified of demons freely demonize anything that they do not understand and being fearful run rather than self educate and think logically. Or, they are just damn crazy and not capable of logical thought. I'm off to curse and eat my young while I argue oil and tires with some @#)($*% idiot. Grant... :)) On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 8:02 PM, Hendrik and fay heni...@gmail.com wrote: Yes sort of like the mere mention of gun control makes them act like the King of England is invading and they only have 20 assault rifles stashed under the bed. Hendrik who has nothing under the bed but dust On 17/01/13 13:18, Jim Cathey wrote: I've met them before. Mere mention of the means of effective self-defense makes 'em act like you're about to vivisect their pet, personally. Or child. It's truly weird. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] They took their ball and when home
Andrew wrote: I wonder why anyone would feel secure knowing that I MIGHT be packing heat. The deterrent aspect of concealed carry is the fact that anyone in the victim pool could turn out to be trained and equipped to resist a crime with lethal force. Even if only a couple percent of the victim pool is armed, this creates a serious hazard to potential bad guys. Maybe this helps explain why the most crime occurs in places with the strictest gun laws. By the same logic, most gun-free zones are ideal places for armed crime (except for a few places, like police stations). In case you are not aware, the background checks for concealed carry licenses/permits are fairly extensive, particularly compared to the National Instant Criminal Background Check used by all licensed federal firearms dealers (AKA FFL) for all gun sales. There is no such thing as a 'gun show loophole. You can't do anything at a gun show that you can't do anywhere else. All real assault rifles ARE machine guns (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_rifle. AR-15s (and clones) are NOT assault rifles. I must say that our media (even folks like O-Reilly) do a very poor job either researching or presenting (or both) the true facts when it comes to gun issues. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Gunz
I support the right to arm all bears and would love to have universal whirled peas, resulting in peas on earth. Had enough yet? Â Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Nope - keep it up :-) On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 1:28 PM, Frederick Moir fredy4.s...@yahoo.comwrote: I support the right to arm all bears and would love to have universal whirled peas, resulting in peas on earth. Had enough yet? Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 2012 Passat TDI DSG 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager 1957 C182A ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] They took their ball and when home
I doubt I could be any politer. On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 11:30 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: An armed society is a polite society --R On 1/16/13 8:44 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I wonder why anyone would feel secure knowing that I MIGHT be packing heat. On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 8:35 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: Kaleb wrote: ...I have very little patience or respect for somebody who is scared of the very mention of guns. It is hardly fright about mention of guns. It is more along the lines that there ain't nuttin' to be said that hasn't been said for 50 years. No new information, no new arguments. It really is a boring dialog/debate. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT GUN They took their ball and when home
Frankly, kids getting mowed down in school is way more disgusting.than the current debate. On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 11:42 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: The whole current debate about gun control, at the national level not on this list, is a manufactured distraction to get the people's attention away from the real problem: out of control federal spending. Republicans control the house, no national gun control measure will be passed. Supreme court is VERY supportive of the second amendment, will probably quash anything stupid done by state and local governments. It's all a distraction, a bunch of noise, and anyone selling guns or ammo is getting rich, and the politicians can avoid doing any real work, yet look good to their polarized constituents, until the next self-made crisis comes along. Whole episode is quite disgusting. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT GUN They took their ball and when home
It disgusts me that thousands of non-white children are killed every year by armed violence and not a peep is heard about it. We (US government) kill dozens of children with drone strikes in foreign countries and there isn't even a blurb on the news. Nineteen lily white kids from an affluent suburb get killed and it's a national tragedy. Media spin, faux compassion, lies, and more lies. All men are created equal. Some are just more equal than others. I am not sure where any of the current events are heading, but it will not end well. Rick Sent from my iPhone On Jan 17, 2013, at 1:56 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Frankly, kids getting mowed down in school is way more disgusting.than the current debate. On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 11:42 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: The whole current debate about gun control, at the national level not on this list, is a manufactured distraction to get the people's attention away from the real problem: out of control federal spending ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT GUN definition and They took their ball and when home
This discussion takes me back to the 1930s when few ordinary city dwellers could afford guns and the debate was about knives. Some wanted to make it a crime to carry a pocket knife and others didn't. A compromise was finally reached that permitted the carrying of pocket knives with blades no longer than 4 inches since a 4 inch blade (supposedly) couldn't reach the heart. That law may still be on the books in some cities. (Straight razors were also popular bar fighting tools, but you couldn't stab anyone with a razor and they were unhandy to carry around.) During the 1950s the first cheap, mass produced gun that nearly anyone could afford became available. It was known as the Saturday Night Special and those of us in the medical field hated them because, firing 22 shorts from a short barrel gun, the bullets buried themselves in a victims body and often caused internal bleeding. There were few Friday/Saturday nights that a surgeon wasn't digging around in a victims body trying to find a bullet and tie off the bleeder. Some weekends they would exhaust nearly the entire supply at the blood bank. Gerry From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com Great ideas, but this is a VERY imperfect world. Very few of the people meeting the criteria that the recent evil doers meet actually commit violence. You catch and hold way too many to catch too few, and still don't know who is dangerous and who isn't. I suspect that it is true that the widespread availability of guns increases the use of them in cases where the lack of one would deter some acts. However, we're still talking relatively small numbers. If you want to get upset about senseless deaths, go after road rage and drunken driving. I'm far more scared of idiots with cars than idiots with guns. I don't see anything in the constitution that says you have a right to exceed the posted speed limits or drive under the influence of any drug, unlike the right to bear arms. On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 10:35 AM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry, respectfully I must not agree. The long description used below still ratchets the rhetoric to inflammatory rather than fact. The device is simply a rifle, nothing more, nothing less. To use any other descriptive term for it engages in fear mongering, which, in it's self is a continuation of the method of assault, which I must protest. In a more perfect world, the simple facts would be stated. Intelligent, capable of using logic and facts people would draw their own conclusions, and the points of failure by society in dealing with these miscreants which not only allowed them to carry out their evil acts, but supported them, would be recognized. In a wise clear thinking society, actions would then be taken that contained such individuals in such a way as to prevent harm to others. The underlying issues in each of these assaults by individuals who used a gun, if the true facts are looked at clearly, show a pattern of repeated failures, by society, to: 1. Recognize a dangerous individual. 2. Take firm and appropriate action immediately. 3. Remove that individual to a safe place for humane treatment. 4. Use a Catch and Release approach, rather than a Hold and Protect approach. To simply repeat 24/7 on mass media channels, inflammatory and inaccurate rhetoric about evil guns frankly scares and assaults people. I protest because it masks the facts. If the same work effort was devoted to recognizing the true points of failure that lead to these events the world would be a better place with more time to devote to our beloved Mercedes Diesels. Grant... -Off to practice cursing and find recipe for the eating of my young- On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 9:08 PM, Hendrik and fay heni...@gmail.com wrote: OK fair enough, you may replace 'assault rifle' with 'somewhat high powered, semi automatic, self loading, large magazine capacity, similar to military type, not particularly accurate at longer distance, popular with preppers, type of rifle' Hendrik who is about to go out in the heat, according to gauge it's 45C on the roof but am not going there On 17/01/13 14:14, G Mann wrote: I respectfully submit, it is impossible for a rifle to assault. An individual can assault, however, a device can not. The use of the term assault rifle is intended to assault your senses and is thus, by legal interpretation, an assault. Many laws, in many countries, all are written to hold an individual responsible for the act of assault. I have yet to find even one case, in one court, where a device , ie a rifle, has met the legal standard of Mens Rea. Mens Rea [see Blacks Law Dictionary] requires two things, the Intent, and the Act. Please produce for me a device that by it's own volition, meets those qualifiers. A man may assault another with a rock, club, or gun.. but the rock, club, or gun are incapable of that act of assault by themselves. To be progressively mislead into the improper use of such
Re: [MBZ] OT GUN They took their ball and when home
Agreed! A tragedy and terrible crime that will haunt my memory! Now, imagine if the deranged killer had used gasoline instead of guns. The headlines would read about tens maybe hundreds of children burned alive. Do you doubt that this killer was bent on death, and would have used whatever means were most readily at hand? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Frankly, kids getting mowed down in school is way more disgusting.than the current debate. On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 11:42 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: The whole current debate about gun control, at the national level not on this list, is a manufactured distraction to get the people's attention away from the real problem: out of control federal spending. Republicans control the house, no national gun control measure will be passed. Supreme court is VERY supportive of the second amendment, will probably quash anything stupid done by state and local governments. It's all a distraction, a bunch of noise, and anyone selling guns or ammo is getting rich, and the politicians can avoid doing any real work, yet look good to their polarized constituents, until the next self-made crisis comes along. Whole episode is quite disgusting. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT GUN definition and They took their ball and when home
Point of order: True assault rifles ARE machine guns. But AR-15 (auto-loading) rifles/carbines are not assault rifles (nor are they heavy weapons as some insist). This is like someone calling your 300TD a pickup truck because you can carry stuff in the back. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 12:17 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT GUN definition and They took their ball and when home More on this, I think the average low information person thinks assault riffles are machine guns. I heard one of them on the radio talking about these guns shooting 100 rounds a minute. Bzzt wrong Sent from my iPhone On Jan 16, 2013, at 10:08 PM, Hendrik and fay heni...@gmail.com wrote: OK fair enough, you may replace 'assault rifle' with 'somewhat high powered, semi automatic, self loading, large magazine capacity, similar to military type, not particularly accurate at longer distance, popular with preppers, type of rifle' Hendrik who is about to go out in the heat, according to gauge it's 45C on the roof but am not going there On 17/01/13 14:14, G Mann wrote: I respectfully submit, it is impossible for a rifle to assault. An individual can assault, however, a device can not. The use of the term assault rifle is intended to assault your senses and is thus, by legal interpretation, an assault. Many laws, in many countries, all are written to hold an individual responsible for the act of assault. I have yet to find even one case, in one court, where a device , ie a rifle, has met the legal standard of Mens Rea. Mens Rea [see Blacks Law Dictionary] requires two things, the Intent, and the Act. Please produce for me a device that by it's own volition, meets those qualifiers. A man may assault another with a rock, club, or gun.. but the rock, club, or gun are incapable of that act of assault by themselves. To be progressively mislead into the improper use of such inflammatory language, by those who at the same time loudly assault verbally themselves is in large part responsible for the volatile rhetoric we have, on both sides of the issue. It is my considered opinion that those who are terrified of demons freely demonize anything that they do not understand and being fearful run rather than self educate and think logically. Or, they are just damn crazy and not capable of logical thought. I'm off to curse and eat my young while I argue oil and tires with some @#)($*% idiot. Grant... :)) On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 8:02 PM, Hendrik and fay heni...@gmail.com wrote: Yes sort of like the mere mention of gun control makes them act like the King of England is invading and they only have 20 assault rifles stashed under the bed. Hendrik who has nothing under the bed but dust On 17/01/13 13:18, Jim Cathey wrote: I've met them before. Mere mention of the means of effective self-defense makes 'em act like you're about to vivisect their pet, personally. Or child. It's truly weird. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] They took their ball and when home
In case you are not aware, the background checks for concealed carry licenses/permits are fairly extensive, particularly compared to the National Instant Criminal Background Check used by all licensed federal firearms dealers (AKA FFL) for all gun sales. and the NICBC is way more extensive than the background check for elected orifice, at least if you are from the approved party. The current king is a prime example. Absolutely no background or competency testing or examination. Candidates NOT from the approved party get much more examination. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT GUN They took their ball and when home
meanwhile the trillion$ keep rolling out the door -IMO the fed is printing money at a unpublicized rate and we are left to guess at the true rate of runaway inflation. If a republican was in the WH the media would be going nuts! LarryT 91 300D On 1/17/2013 12:19 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: You are right in all counts Sent from my iPhone On Jan 16, 2013, at 10:42 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: The whole current debate about gun control, at the national level not on this list, is a manufactured distraction to get the people's attention away from the real problem: out of control federal spending. Republicans control the house, no national gun control measure will be passed. Supreme court is VERY supportive of the second amendment, will probably quash anything stupid done by state and local governments. It's all a distraction, a bunch of noise, and anyone selling guns or ammo is getting rich, and the politicians can avoid doing any real work, yet look good to their polarized constituents, until the next self-made crisis comes along. Whole episode is quite disgusting. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] ON TOPIC rubber doodads that hold the rad in place
I have noticed that the radiator in my old 300D appears to be held in place by rubber doughnut type things similar to the exhaust hangers. Mine look a bit the worse for wear. Cracks etc so I should likely get some new ones. Has anyone had one of these fail/ Did it cause much harm? Are they special items or are they small exhaust hangers? The rad hoses seem to hold the rad in place reasonably well so I wonder if the rad would move back into the fan if the rubber thing let go. Not an immediate issue as I am not driving the car these cold winter days anyway but something I should not forget when spring rolls around. I also thought I could likely put a nylon zip tie on with the rubber doodad temporarily to prevent movement. Randy who is trying to steer the thought processes away from more silly firearms issues ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT GUN They took their ball and when home
Not sure what your point is. What if he used a dirty bomb? . On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 3:39 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Agreed! A tragedy and terrible crime that will haunt my memory! Now, imagine if the deranged killer had used gasoline instead of guns. The headlines would read about tens maybe hundreds of children burned alive. Do you doubt that this killer was bent on death, and would have used whatever means were most readily at hand? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Frankly, kids getting mowed down in school is way more disgusting.than the current debate. On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 11:42 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: The whole current debate about gun control, at the national level not on this list, is a manufactured distraction to get the people's attention away from the real problem: out of control federal spending. Republicans control the house, no national gun control measure will be passed. Supreme court is VERY supportive of the second amendment, will probably quash anything stupid done by state and local governments. It's all a distraction, a bunch of noise, and anyone selling guns or ammo is getting rich, and the politicians can avoid doing any real work, yet look good to their polarized constituents, until the next self-made crisis comes along. Whole episode is quite disgusting. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ON TOPIC rubber doodads that hold the rad in place
Thanks, Randy - appreciate your effort but I am not holding my breath. If they look like exhaust hangers and are the same size we will allow you to replace them with exhaust hangers. You might be able to copy a part number, however, which is the more elegant solution. How much snow has fallen since the New Year? On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 4:46 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: I have noticed that the radiator in my old 300D appears to be held in place by rubber doughnut type things similar to the exhaust hangers. Mine look a bit the worse for wear. Cracks etc so I should likely get some new ones. Has anyone had one of these fail/ Did it cause much harm? Are they special items or are they small exhaust hangers? The rad hoses seem to hold the rad in place reasonably well so I wonder if the rad would move back into the fan if the rubber thing let go. Not an immediate issue as I am not driving the car these cold winter days anyway but something I should not forget when spring rolls around. I also thought I could likely put a nylon zip tie on with the rubber doodad temporarily to prevent movement. Randy who is trying to steer the thought processes away from more silly firearms issues ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ON TOPIC rubber doodads that hold the rad in place
Thanks, Randy, for the good steering. Nylon zippy ties are highly recommended - much better than baling (hay) wire of days of yore. Wilton - Original Message - From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 4:46 PM Subject: [MBZ] ON TOPIC rubber doodads that hold the rad in place I have noticed that the radiator in my old 300D appears to be held in place by rubber doughnut type things similar to the exhaust hangers. Mine look a bit the worse for wear. Cracks etc so I should likely get some new ones. Has anyone had one of these fail/ Did it cause much harm? Are they special items or are they small exhaust hangers? The rad hoses seem to hold the rad in place reasonably well so I wonder if the rad would move back into the fan if the rubber thing let go. Not an immediate issue as I am not driving the car these cold winter days anyway but something I should not forget when spring rolls around. I also thought I could likely put a nylon zip tie on with the rubber doodad temporarily to prevent movement. Randy who is trying to steer the thought processes away from more silly firearms issues ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Destroying a 123 was Re: OT GUN definition and They took their ball and when home
On Jan 17, 2013 4:04 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: This is like someone calling your 300TD a pickup truck because you can carry stuff in the back. I knew I had seen such a thing, but ... ouch! There are so many! http://images.google.com/search?q=w123+pickuptbm=isch Warning, your eyes will burn... Best, Tim Doesn't expect this kind of political banter on the main list ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Government
http://hackaday.com/2012/12/22/an-even-more-useless-machine/ This simulates the reason we need such a large federal and state level of employment. If the humans were replaced by this, it would have the same effect and allow the unemployed more time to frolic with their union buddies or take the family for a drive in the country clay 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Government
One of the best uses I have seen for an Arduino so far: http://hackaday.com/2012/12/22/firehero-raspberry-pi-controlled-pyrotechnics/ Dan (rock on!) On Jan 17, 2013, at 5:32 PM, clay monroe wrote: http://hackaday.com/2012/12/22/an-even-more-useless-machine/ This simulates the reason we need such a large federal and state level of employment. If the humans were replaced by this, it would have the same effect and allow the unemployed more time to frolic with their union buddies or take the family for a drive in the country clay 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ON TOPIC rubber doodads that hold the rad in place SNOW
We are not short of snow right now. It could be worse I suppose and may soon be but there is probably close to a foot on my lawn right now. It starts out as more but sort of settles over time. We had a bit of a storm last weekend and the city has ploughed the roads. Unfortunately, they left me with about 8 feet of hard packed snow in my front sidewalk. Some knee deep and the rest ankle deep. Had to use the ice chipper to break out chunks so I could shovel it away. If one shovels immediately after the plough goes through it is easier. If one waits a bit, then it becomes pretty solid. The plough went through in the night some time so we did not shovel right away. By dinner time the next evening, it was a lot like concrete. Randy who wonders why he came back from Honolulu On 17/01/2013 4:07 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Thanks, Randy - appreciate your effort but I am not holding my breath. If they look like exhaust hangers and are the same size we will allow you to replace them with exhaust hangers. You might be able to copy a part number, however, which is the more elegant solution. How much snow has fallen since the New Year? On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 4:46 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: I have noticed that the radiator in my old 300D appears to be held in place by rubber doughnut type things similar to the exhaust hangers. Mine look a bit the worse for wear. Cracks etc so I should likely get some new ones. Has anyone had one of these fail/ Did it cause much harm? Are they special items or are they small exhaust hangers? The rad hoses seem to hold the rad in place reasonably well so I wonder if the rad would move back into the fan if the rubber thing let go. Not an immediate issue as I am not driving the car these cold winter days anyway but something I should not forget when spring rolls around. I also thought I could likely put a nylon zip tie on with the rubber doodad temporarily to prevent movement. Randy who is trying to steer the thought processes away from more silly firearms issues ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ON TOPIC rubber doodads that hold the rad in place SNOW
Reminds me of living in Sault Ste. Marie, Ontario. One did NOT allow the snow plow deposits to freeze, else at best you would have a huge chore. More likely, a lake of ice by spring that would acquire potholes and you then get stuck with the car halfway in the street AND a huge job. I spent many an evening shoveling snow -- hard to keep up in the early part of the winter there when it snows nearly every day. Usually had three feet or more of packed snow in the back yard by the time it started to melt, total was usually around 100 inches for the winter. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Destroying a 123 was Re: OT GUN definition and They took their ball and when home
At least the first on on left in second row has a bit of sense of style. Wilton - Original Message - From: Tim C bb...@crone.us To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 5:31 PM Subject: [MBZ] Destroying a 123 was Re: OT GUN definition and They took their ball and when home On Jan 17, 2013 4:04 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: This is like someone calling your 300TD a pickup truck because you can carry stuff in the back. I knew I had seen such a thing, but ... ouch! There are so many! http://images.google.com/search?q=w123+pickuptbm=isch Warning, your eyes will burn... Best, Tim Doesn't expect this kind of political banter on the main list ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ON TOPIC rubber doodads that hold the rad in place SNOW
To enjoy those beautiful summers, eh? Wilton - Original Message - From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 6:13 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] ON TOPIC rubber doodads that hold the rad in place SNOW We are not short of snow right now. It could be worse I suppose and may soon be but there is probably close to a foot on my lawn right now. It starts out as more but sort of settles over time. We had a bit of a storm last weekend and the city has ploughed the roads. Unfortunately, they left me with about 8 feet of hard packed snow in my front sidewalk. Some knee deep and the rest ankle deep. Had to use the ice chipper to break out chunks so I could shovel it away. If one shovels immediately after the plough goes through it is easier. If one waits a bit, then it becomes pretty solid. The plough went through in the night some time so we did not shovel right away. By dinner time the next evening, it was a lot like concrete. Randy who wonders why he came back from Honolulu On 17/01/2013 4:07 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Thanks, Randy - appreciate your effort but I am not holding my breath. If they look like exhaust hangers and are the same size we will allow you to replace them with exhaust hangers. You might be able to copy a part number, however, which is the more elegant solution. How much snow has fallen since the New Year? On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 4:46 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: I have noticed that the radiator in my old 300D appears to be held in place by rubber doughnut type things similar to the exhaust hangers. Mine look a bit the worse for wear. Cracks etc so I should likely get some new ones. Has anyone had one of these fail/ Did it cause much harm? Are they special items or are they small exhaust hangers? The rad hoses seem to hold the rad in place reasonably well so I wonder if the rad would move back into the fan if the rubber thing let go. Not an immediate issue as I am not driving the car these cold winter days anyway but something I should not forget when spring rolls around. I also thought I could likely put a nylon zip tie on with the rubber doodad temporarily to prevent movement. Randy who is trying to steer the thought processes away from more silly firearms issues ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ON TOPIC rubber doodads that hold the rad in place SNOW
By the end of winter, snow in my back yard at Kincheloe, where it had accumulated naturally, was 4 feet deep; 12 feet deep in front yard where it been thrown by ploughs in street and driveway. My 2 sons learned to ski in front yard - side step (what's it called, don't remember) up pile in front yard, ski down it and across driveway, up pile on other side, down it and across neighbor's driveway and up on top of his front yard pile - repeat in reverse, etc. Wilton - Original Message - From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 6:26 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] ON TOPIC rubber doodads that hold the rad in place SNOW Reminds me of living in Sault Ste. Marie, Ontario. One did NOT allow the snow plow deposits to freeze, else at best you would have a huge chore. More likely, a lake of ice by spring that would acquire potholes and you then get stuck with the car halfway in the street AND a huge job. I spent many an evening shoveling snow -- hard to keep up in the early part of the winter there when it snows nearly every day. Usually had three feet or more of packed snow in the back yard by the time it started to melt, total was usually around 100 inches for the winter. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ON TOPIC rubber doodads that hold the rad in place SNOW
Two words: Snow blower? I had one in Wisconsin that could throw snow into the next county. Yeah, it sucks to have to come home from work, all ready to put your feet up and take it easy, and put the snowmobile suit or Carharts on to go out and run the snow blower, but it's got to be done or you'll have a frozen mess the next day in many cases. Funny car story: When we lived in Wisconsin our kids were small, like 1 and 5. Mom wanted a minivan something awful and we really couldn't afford the outrageously expensive and popular Dodge/Plymouth/Chrysler models of the time. I had driven a Ford Aerostar on a couple of jobs when traveling, and really liked it. No reason to pay attention to the fact that it was rear wheel drive, the kiss of death in snow country for such vehicles. Right. So we get a really nice used Aerostar. So I come home from work one day, stopping to pick up the kids at day care as I did every evening. My oldest son promptly crawls into the car seat in the back of my 1979 300TD and pipes up, Mom says if you want a van you can get your own damn van! Hmm. Not a good sign. I pull up to our house and see what appears to be the remains of a small nuclear device with tires having detonated in our front yard. Mind you, I said front yard, NOT driveway. Turns out, Mom would never back into the garage so she could just drive out in the morning. Call me sexist, but I have yet to find a time when I could get her to back a car into the garage. Anyway, think about backing a very light in the rear minivan onto a solid sheet of ice, having to make an immediate 90 degree turn to head down the driveway to the street. Slow going? Why give it more gas, of course! Get those wheels spying to the point of tire failure, if you like. Does the van move backwards in a straight line under these conditions? Of course not. It yaws to one side, sliding off of the pavement into the frozen lawn. OK, now we're spinning tires in the front lawn and going nowhere. So spin some more! Toss cups of kitty litter under the tires, right? Spin some more!! Move forward - no - back - no- forward! Whatever So you can easily picture this light in the rear Ford Aerostar doing doughnuts in the snow without gaining any sort of traction onto the driveway or street. At some point she was able to extricate the van and move on, no doubt without a fair amount of expletives and colorful language, which, without a doubt, was the source of my cherubic son spouting out Mom's constructive criticism of my vehicular choices. Two weeks later she had a Chevy S10 4 door 4x4. It was in the best interest of my safety and that of my lawn. Dan On Jan 17, 2013, at 6:26 PM, Peter Frederick wrote: Reminds me of living in Sault Ste. Marie, Ontario. One did NOT allow the snow plow deposits to freeze, else at best you would have a huge chore. More likely, a lake of ice by spring that would acquire potholes and you then get stuck with the car halfway in the street AND a huge job. I spent many an evening shoveling snow -- hard to keep up in the early part of the winter there when it snows nearly every day. Usually had three feet or more of packed snow in the back yard by the time it started to melt, total was usually around 100 inches for the winter. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ON TOPIC rubber doodads that hold the rad in place SNOW
Of course, we always carried one of these in the cars when we lived in the Great White North: http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/ec0a/?pfm=_featured_ec0a_4 Dan On Jan 17, 2013, at 6:53 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: Two words: Snow blower? I had one in Wisconsin that could throw snow into the next county. Yeah, it sucks to have to come home from work, all ready to put your feet up and take it easy, and put the snowmobile suit or Carharts on to go out and run the snow blower, but it's got to be done or you'll have a frozen mess the next day in many cases. Funny car story: When we lived in Wisconsin our kids were small, like 1 and 5. Mom wanted a minivan something awful and we really couldn't afford the outrageously expensive and popular Dodge/Plymouth/Chrysler models of the time. I had driven a Ford Aerostar on a couple of jobs when traveling, and really liked it. No reason to pay attention to the fact that it was rear wheel drive, the kiss of death in snow country for such vehicles. Right. So we get a really nice used Aerostar. So I come home from work one day, stopping to pick up the kids at day care as I did every evening. My oldest son promptly crawls into the car seat in the back of my 1979 300TD and pipes up, Mom says if you want a van you can get your own damn van! Hmm. Not a good sign. I pull up to our house and see what appears to be the remains of a small nuclear device with tires having detonated in our front yard. Mind you, I said front yard, NOT driveway. Turns out, Mom would never back into the garage so she could just drive out in the morning. Call me sexist, but I have yet to find a time when I could get her to back a car into the garage. Anyway, think about backing a very light in the rear minivan onto a solid sheet of ice, having to make an immediate 90 degree turn to head down the driveway to the street. Slow going? Why give it more gas, of course! Get those wheels spying to the point of tire failure, if you like. Does the van move backwards in a straight line under these conditions? Of course not. It yaws to one side, sliding off of the pavement into the frozen lawn. OK, now we're spinning tires in the front lawn and going nowhere. So spin some more! Toss cups of kitty litter under the tires, right? Spin some more!! Move forward - no - back - no- forward! Whatever So you can easily picture this light in the rear Ford Aerostar doing doughnuts in the snow without gaining any sort of traction onto the driveway or street. At some point she was able to extricate the van and move on, no doubt without a fair amount of expletives and colorful language, which, without a doubt, was the source of my cherubic son spouting out Mom's constructive criticism of my vehicular choices. Two weeks later she had a Chevy S10 4 door 4x4. It was in the best interest of my safety and that of my lawn. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ON TOPIC rubber doodads that hold the rad in place SNOW
Mine never had the $25 glove around it. Wilton - Original Message - From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 6:58 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] ON TOPIC rubber doodads that hold the rad in place SNOW Of course, we always carried one of these in the cars when we lived in the Great White North: http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/ec0a/?pfm=_featured_ec0a_4 Dan On Jan 17, 2013, at 6:53 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: Two words: Snow blower? I had one in Wisconsin that could throw snow into the next county. Yeah, it sucks to have to come home from work, all ready to put your feet up and take it easy, and put the snowmobile suit or Carharts on to go out and run the snow blower, but it's got to be done or you'll have a frozen mess the next day in many cases. Funny car story: When we lived in Wisconsin our kids were small, like 1 and 5. Mom wanted a minivan something awful and we really couldn't afford the outrageously expensive and popular Dodge/Plymouth/Chrysler models of the time. I had driven a Ford Aerostar on a couple of jobs when traveling, and really liked it. No reason to pay attention to the fact that it was rear wheel drive, the kiss of death in snow country for such vehicles. Right. So we get a really nice used Aerostar. So I come home from work one day, stopping to pick up the kids at day care as I did every evening. My oldest son promptly crawls into the car seat in the back of my 1979 300TD and pipes up, Mom says if you want a van you can get your own damn van! Hmm. Not a good sign. I pull up to our house and see what appears to be the remains of a small nuclear device with tires having detonated in our front yard. Mind you, I said front yard, NOT driveway. Turns out, Mom would never back into the garage so she could just drive out in the morning. Call me sexist, but I have yet to find a time when I could get her to back a car into the garage. Anyway, think about backing a very light in the rear minivan onto a solid sheet of ice, having to make an immediate 90 degree turn to head down the driveway to the street. Slow going? Why give it more gas, of course! Get those wheels spying to the point of tire failure, if you like. Does the van move backwards in a straight line under these conditions? Of course not. It yaws to one side, sliding off of the pavement into the frozen lawn. OK, now we're spinning tires in the front lawn and going nowhere. So spin some more! Toss cups of kitty litter under the tires, right? Spin some more!! Move forward - no - back - no- forward! Whatever So you can easily picture this light in the rear Ford Aerostar doing doughnuts in the snow without gaining any sort of traction onto the driveway or street. At some point she was able to extricate the van and move on, no doubt without a fair amount of expletives and colorful language, which, without a doubt, was the source of my cherubic son spouting out Mom's constructive criticism of my vehicular choices. Two weeks later she had a Chevy S10 4 door 4x4. It was in the best interest of my safety and that of my lawn. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] banished
Dan wrote: The joke is on them, however, as to this day I have numerous alias accounts, some of which I still post from as a totally innocuous member with a completely different persona. Oh, boy. I gotta keep track of this. I wonder if we can figure out which innocuous person is really Dan. Nice. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] They took their ball and when home
Scott wrote: I must say that our media (even folks like O-Reilly) do a very poor job either researching or presenting (or both) the true facts when it comes to gun issues. Does anyone remember the beginning of talk radio and Rush Limbaugh? I also remember listening to Alan Berg, speaking of guns... I clearly remember 1989 +/- hearing Rush in his early days as national host. He was repeatedly very clear to say that this was entertainment, *not* information. His gig is $$, as is O-Reilly and all the others - every one of them, probably including NPR. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 787s grounded over battery concerns
Craig diese...@pisquared.net writes: I sorta question the thinking on that decision, but I ain't a Boing engineer. Maybe the Boing engineers had it forced upon them. I read that weight was the overriding factor in the decision. They tried to shed weight everywhere they could, hence the extensive use of composites in the airframe. -- Allan Streib ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT GUN They went home - Much Bigger
Max wrote: The whole current debate about gun control, at the national level not on this list, is a manufactured distraction to get the people's attention away from the real problem: out of control federal spending. Whole episode is quite disgusting. It is a cascading series of episodes, I'm posit. We gotta figure out what the gig is, and then circumvent it. I would also include as part of these episodes the constant haranguing about the rich get richer. The episodes continue, the plan is being implemented, and the most likely we are told in control is probably incorrect. We are smarter than this - we can figure this out. Do not follow their ques. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT GUN They took their ball and when home
Rick wrote: It disgusts me... Media spin, faux compassion, lies, and more lies. All men are created equal. Some are just more equal than others. I am not sure where any of the current events are heading, but it will not end well. Hear, hear. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hear,_hear mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SNOW
No reason to pay attention to the fact that it was rear wheel drive, the kiss of death in snow country for such vehicles. Right. So we get a really nice used Aerostar. All it really needed was some weight in the back. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] They took their ball and when home
There is no such thing as a 'gun show loophole. Indeed. The loophole (gotta be bad, right?) is also spelled private sale. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Classic scam
http://kansascity.craigslist.org/cto/3553453874.html -- Sent from c•PRO for iPhone and iPod Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT GUN They took their ball and when home
Point: the deranged killer, not his weapon, be it a gun or fire or a bomb, is wholly responsible for the act. He would have acted no matter what laws were on the books. He would have found something to use, a nation cannot outlaw and eliminate everything and anything that could be used to kill. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Not sure what your point is. What if he used a dirty bomb? . On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 3:39 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Agreed! A tragedy and terrible crime that will haunt my memory! Now, imagine if the deranged killer had used gasoline instead of guns. The headlines would read about tens maybe hundreds of children burned alive. Do you doubt that this killer was bent on death, and would have used whatever means were most readily at hand? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Frankly, kids getting mowed down in school is way more disgusting.than the current debate. On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 11:42 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: The whole current debate about gun control, at the national level not on this list, is a manufactured distraction to get the people's attention away from the real problem: out of control federal spending. Republicans control the house, no national gun control measure will be passed. Supreme court is VERY supportive of the second amendment, will probably quash anything stupid done by state and local governments. It's all a distraction, a bunch of noise, and anyone selling guns or ammo is getting rich, and the politicians can avoid doing any real work, yet look good to their polarized constituents, until the next self-made crisis comes along. Whole episode is quite disgusting. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Timing chain link
I'm finally replacing the timing chain on my 240D tomorrow. The chain came with a master link which is not a split link. When I attach the new chain to the old and peen on the link, turn the chain, then don't I have to grind off new link to separate old chain from new? Then don't I need a new link to attach the two ends of the new chain? How do I do this with only one link.? Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
