Re: [MBZ] Christmas presents

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

The HF folding sawhorses (about $10) are lightweight plastic.  They may be 
rated at a couple hundred pounds.  I have a pair (plus one broken one).  They 
are handy for many jobs but I wouldn’t use them for a "live" load, like to hold 
a work scaffold that I would stand on.  I also have two pair of steel 
"scissors" sawhorse legs (that bite into a 2x4 horizontal piece) that are a lot 
stronger.

> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan
> Penoff via Mercedes
> Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2017 6:53 PM
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> Cc: Dan Penoff 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Christmas presents
> 
> I have been looking at some of their folding sawhorses. Are they any good?
> 
> -D
> 
> 
> > On Dec 27, 2017, at 6:27 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> >
> > I've looked at those benches in the past. At first I didn't think much of 
> > them
> but last time I was at HF I happened to look at one and it seemed much
> sturdier than the ones I'd seen in the past. Thinking I might need one...
> > -Curt
> >
> >
> >On Wednesday, December 27, 2017, 5:10:38 PM EST, Greg Fiorentino via
> Mercedes  wrote:
> >
> > Woodworking workbench (kind of a kit) from Harbor Freight. Will be my all-
> purpose workbench with removable vises in addition to the built-in tail vise.
> >
> > Some amazing German chocolate cookies from my DIL.
> >
> > Greg
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Cold starting issue - glow plugs?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I never had to do more than a double glow, and it is only needed below 
10 below.  (Assuming the engine, battery and GP systems are in good 
condition)


I doubt it is that cold in Andrewland!

ADCHUST DER FALFES!   (Deutz Engine Instructor)

REPLACE THE FUSE  (Herr Doktor Booth)


Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
December 28, 2017 at 10:02 PM
Me neither



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Re: [MBZ] Cold starting issue - glow plugs?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
December 28, 2017 at 9:05 PM
Thanks - good questions.

Primer as the updated black cap.  GOOD

If fuse were bad it would not start Period. Same with the gp relay -
would turn but wouldn't fire.  WRONG

Might need a valve adjustment I do a lot of stop and go driving. Maybe
this has hastened the valve clearance tightening?  YES

Battery is strong. I did not try lengthy afterglow - that could help.  
NO WAY TO DO AFTERGLOW ON A 85, unless you cut the violet wire or take 
the pin out of the plug.


Perhaps tomorrow I will try to start w/o using the block heater but try
after-glowing instead.  DON'T BOTHER,  TEST THE GPs and RELAY!

Dwight wrote: *My 79 240D would start at 4F with no heater using the
triple glow**.* What is that?   GLOW until the timer clicks off 
TWICE.  Third time, crank when the light goes OUT!








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Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
December 28, 2017 at 7:39 PM

Does the primer pump have a white plastic cap that screws down to lock 
or a black cylindrical cap?


Mitch.

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Max Dillon via Mercedes 
December 28, 2017 at 4:39 PM
Low probability might be an air leak in the fuel system that allows 
air in so the injection pump looses it's prime. ;-)


I'd start with the preglow system as already discussed, keep this idea 
in mind if that route doesn't solve the issue.


Valves adjusted recently?
Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
December 28, 2017 at 3:27 PM
On my W123 300TD, I am having a hard time getting it started when the
temperature dips below 20 F despite the car being plugged into the block
heater. It takes 2 minutes of multiple glows and attempts before I can get
it fired up. Once I get it started the engine runs as if it were 
preheated.


Question: Does this sound like a glow plug issue? Do the plugs wear out or
simply fail? If one is dead will the other 4 start the car, albeit
laboriously?

Happy 2018 to all,

Andrew
1983 300TD
362 K
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Re: [MBZ] Cold starting issue - glow plugs?

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Me neither 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 28, 2017, at 9:41 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yes I never had to do the triple glow,with my OM 602.
> 
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
> 
> On Dec 28, 2017 10:25 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> That’s how I have always done it years back in the 61x cars.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 28, 2017, at 9:11 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Triple glow is,the Curt technique. Do the glow 3 times before trying to
>>> start. Has worked,great for me.
>>> 
>>> Dwight Giles Jr.
>>> Wickford RI
>>> 
>>> On Dec 28, 2017 10:05 PM, "Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes" <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
 Thanks - good questions.
 
 Primer as the updated black cap.
 
 If fuse were bad it would not start  Period.  Same with the gp relay -
 would turn but wouldn't fire.
 
 Might need a valve adjustment  I do a lot of stop and go driving.  Maybe
 this has hastened the valve clearance tightening?
 
 Battery is strong.  I did not try lengthy afterglow - that could help.
 
 Perhaps tomorrow I will try to start w/o using the block heater but try
 after-glowing instead.
 
 Dwight wrote:  *My 79 240D would start at 4F with no heater using the
 triple glow**.*  What is that?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 On Thu, Dec 28, 2017 at 8:39 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
> 
>> On December 28, 2017 at 5:39 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Low probability might be an air leak in the fuel system that allows
>> air
> in so the injection pump looses it's prime.  ;-)
> 
> Does the primer pump have a white plastic cap that screws down to lock
>> or
> a black cylindrical cap?
> 
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Subject: Re: Secret message for Randy

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Thu, 28 Dec 2017 11:00:16 -0500 Meade Dillon via Mercedes
 wrote:

> In one case, a doc declined to even take the time to look up a medicine
> that SWMBO knew of from living in Italy, so she borrowed the drug
> reference book from the nurses station, looked it up herself, and then
> went back to the Doc and showed him what she wanted.  He relented but
> was mighty upset that his patient knew more than he and stood up to
> him, needless to say we switched docs after that episode.

Good thing to do! Did you tell others?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Cold starting issue - glow plugs?

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Yes I never had to do the triple glow,with my OM 602.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Dec 28, 2017 10:25 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> That’s how I have always done it years back in the 61x cars.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Dec 28, 2017, at 9:11 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Triple glow is,the Curt technique. Do the glow 3 times before trying to
> > start. Has worked,great for me.
> >
> > Dwight Giles Jr.
> > Wickford RI
> >
> > On Dec 28, 2017 10:05 PM, "Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes" <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks - good questions.
> >>
> >> Primer as the updated black cap.
> >>
> >> If fuse were bad it would not start  Period.  Same with the gp relay -
> >> would turn but wouldn't fire.
> >>
> >> Might need a valve adjustment  I do a lot of stop and go driving.  Maybe
> >> this has hastened the valve clearance tightening?
> >>
> >> Battery is strong.  I did not try lengthy afterglow - that could help.
> >>
> >> Perhaps tomorrow I will try to start w/o using the block heater but try
> >> after-glowing instead.
> >>
> >> Dwight wrote:  *My 79 240D would start at 4F with no heater using the
> >> triple glow**.*  What is that?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Dec 28, 2017 at 8:39 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
>  On December 28, 2017 at 5:39 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>  Low probability might be an air leak in the fuel system that allows
> air
> >>> in so the injection pump looses it's prime.  ;-)
> >>>
> >>> Does the primer pump have a white plastic cap that screws down to lock
> or
> >>> a black cylindrical cap?
> >>>
> >>> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Cold starting issue - glow plugs?

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

That’s how I have always done it years back in the 61x cars.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 28, 2017, at 9:11 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Triple glow is,the Curt technique. Do the glow 3 times before trying to
> start. Has worked,great for me.
> 
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
> 
> On Dec 28, 2017 10:05 PM, "Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Thanks - good questions.
>> 
>> Primer as the updated black cap.
>> 
>> If fuse were bad it would not start  Period.  Same with the gp relay -
>> would turn but wouldn't fire.
>> 
>> Might need a valve adjustment  I do a lot of stop and go driving.  Maybe
>> this has hastened the valve clearance tightening?
>> 
>> Battery is strong.  I did not try lengthy afterglow - that could help.
>> 
>> Perhaps tomorrow I will try to start w/o using the block heater but try
>> after-glowing instead.
>> 
>> Dwight wrote:  *My 79 240D would start at 4F with no heater using the
>> triple glow**.*  What is that?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Dec 28, 2017 at 8:39 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
 On December 28, 2017 at 5:39 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 
 Low probability might be an air leak in the fuel system that allows air
>>> in so the injection pump looses it's prime.  ;-)
>>> 
>>> Does the primer pump have a white plastic cap that screws down to lock or
>>> a black cylindrical cap?
>>> 
>>> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Cold starting issue - glow plugs?

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Ok we are waiting. Northern cold forces us to deal creatively with winter
diesels.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Dec 28, 2017 10:12 PM, "Andrew Strasfogel"  wrote:

> OMG sheer genius.  I will report back tomorrow come what may.
>
> On Thu, Dec 28, 2017 at 10:11 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> Triple glow is,the Curt technique. Do the glow 3 times before trying to
>> start. Has worked,great for me.
>>
>> Dwight Giles Jr.
>> Wickford RI
>>
>> On Dec 28, 2017 10:05 PM, "Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes" <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Thanks - good questions.
>> >
>> > Primer as the updated black cap.
>> >
>> > If fuse were bad it would not start  Period.  Same with the gp relay -
>> > would turn but wouldn't fire.
>> >
>> > Might need a valve adjustment  I do a lot of stop and go driving.  Maybe
>> > this has hastened the valve clearance tightening?
>> >
>> > Battery is strong.  I did not try lengthy afterglow - that could help.
>> >
>> > Perhaps tomorrow I will try to start w/o using the block heater but try
>> > after-glowing instead.
>> >
>> > Dwight wrote:  *My 79 240D would start at 4F with no heater using the
>> > triple glow**.*  What is that?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Dec 28, 2017 at 8:39 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
>> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > >
>> > > > On December 28, 2017 at 5:39 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes <
>> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Low probability might be an air leak in the fuel system that allows
>> air
>> > > in so the injection pump looses it's prime.  ;-)
>> > >
>> > > Does the primer pump have a white plastic cap that screws down to
>> lock or
>> > > a black cylindrical cap?
>> > >
>> > > Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Cold starting issue - glow plugs?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

OMG sheer genius.  I will report back tomorrow come what may.

On Thu, Dec 28, 2017 at 10:11 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Triple glow is,the Curt technique. Do the glow 3 times before trying to
> start. Has worked,great for me.
>
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
>
> On Dec 28, 2017 10:05 PM, "Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Thanks - good questions.
> >
> > Primer as the updated black cap.
> >
> > If fuse were bad it would not start  Period.  Same with the gp relay -
> > would turn but wouldn't fire.
> >
> > Might need a valve adjustment  I do a lot of stop and go driving.  Maybe
> > this has hastened the valve clearance tightening?
> >
> > Battery is strong.  I did not try lengthy afterglow - that could help.
> >
> > Perhaps tomorrow I will try to start w/o using the block heater but try
> > after-glowing instead.
> >
> > Dwight wrote:  *My 79 240D would start at 4F with no heater using the
> > triple glow**.*  What is that?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 28, 2017 at 8:39 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > > On December 28, 2017 at 5:39 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Low probability might be an air leak in the fuel system that allows
> air
> > > in so the injection pump looses it's prime.  ;-)
> > >
> > > Does the primer pump have a white plastic cap that screws down to lock
> or
> > > a black cylindrical cap?
> > >
> > > Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Cold starting issue - glow plugs?

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Triple glow is,the Curt technique. Do the glow 3 times before trying to
start. Has worked,great for me.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Dec 28, 2017 10:05 PM, "Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Thanks - good questions.
>
> Primer as the updated black cap.
>
> If fuse were bad it would not start  Period.  Same with the gp relay -
> would turn but wouldn't fire.
>
> Might need a valve adjustment  I do a lot of stop and go driving.  Maybe
> this has hastened the valve clearance tightening?
>
> Battery is strong.  I did not try lengthy afterglow - that could help.
>
> Perhaps tomorrow I will try to start w/o using the block heater but try
> after-glowing instead.
>
> Dwight wrote:  *My 79 240D would start at 4F with no heater using the
> triple glow**.*  What is that?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 28, 2017 at 8:39 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > > On December 28, 2017 at 5:39 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Low probability might be an air leak in the fuel system that allows air
> > in so the injection pump looses it's prime.  ;-)
> >
> > Does the primer pump have a white plastic cap that screws down to lock or
> > a black cylindrical cap?
> >
> > Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Cold starting issue - glow plugs?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Thanks - good questions.

Primer as the updated black cap.

If fuse were bad it would not start  Period.  Same with the gp relay -
would turn but wouldn't fire.

Might need a valve adjustment  I do a lot of stop and go driving.  Maybe
this has hastened the valve clearance tightening?

Battery is strong.  I did not try lengthy afterglow - that could help.

Perhaps tomorrow I will try to start w/o using the block heater but try
after-glowing instead.

Dwight wrote:  *My 79 240D would start at 4F with no heater using the
triple glow**.*  What is that?







On Thu, Dec 28, 2017 at 8:39 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> > On December 28, 2017 at 5:39 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Low probability might be an air leak in the fuel system that allows air
> in so the injection pump looses it's prime.  ;-)
>
> Does the primer pump have a white plastic cap that screws down to lock or
> a black cylindrical cap?
>
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Stupid money for a Euro 4 speed 6cyl. SL

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Red is nice if you have Badge Americard...   Otherwise you will attract 
tickets.


Brown:  Well I'll leave that to your imagination as to what it attracts.

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Re: [MBZ] Stupid money for a Euro 4 speed 6cyl. SL

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

they both s*ck.

On Thu, Dec 28, 2017 at 8:08 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes  wrote:

>  Brown is better than red!
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> > $37,000!!  At no reserve!! and it's brown!!!
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Re: [MBZ] Cold starting issue - glow plugs?

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> On December 28, 2017 at 5:39 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Low probability might be an air leak in the fuel system that allows air in so 
> the injection pump looses it's prime.  ;-)

Does the primer pump have a white plastic cap that screws down to lock or a 
black cylindrical cap?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Cold starting issue - glow plugs?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Well, if he still has a Die Easy battery, we know the battery is weak.


Dimitri via Mercedes 
December 28, 2017 at 7:07 PM
The plugs are wired in parallel so if one fails the others will work 
but starting will get more difficult. When was the last time your 
valves were adjusted? What is the condition of your battery and 
charging system?


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Re: [MBZ] Cold starting issue - glow plugs?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Try afterglow.  It was enabled in the later 603/6 engines.  cut the 
violet wire in the small cable to the glow relay.  That will enable the 
afterglow.  On the push pull glow, I always disconnected the cable form 
the IP and put in a separate shutoff.  That way on really cold days you 
could manually do an afterglow until the engine was firing evenly and 
normally.  I could aldo lock the ign and steering; take the key and 
leave it idle in the cold weather.  (Doors locked)


I always thought the elegant way to enable afterglow on the early 60x 
engines would be to put a switch under the dash and cut into the violet 
wire somewhere near the fuseblock.  THen you could turn the switch off 
for afterglow int he winter, and on for no afterglow int he 
summer/spring/fall when it is not needed.



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Re: [MBZ] Stupid money for a Euro 4 speed 6cyl. SL

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 Brown is better than red!

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Re: [MBZ] Cold starting issue - glow plugs?

[Dimitri via Mercedes]

The plugs are wired in parallel so if one fails the others will work but 
starting will get more difficult. When was the last time your valves were 
adjusted? What is the condition of your battery and charging system?

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> On Dec 28, 2017, at 4:27 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> On my W123 300TD, I am having a hard time getting it started when the
> temperature dips below 20 F despite the car being plugged into the block
> heater.  It takes 2 minutes of multiple glows and attempts before I can get
> it fired up. Once I get it started the engine runs as if it were preheated.
> 
> Question: Does this sound like a glow plug issue?  Do the plugs wear out or
> simply fail?  If one is dead will the other 4 start the car, albeit
> laboriously?
> 
> Happy 2018 to all,
> 
> Andrew
> 1983 300TD
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Re: [MBZ] Cold starting issue - glow plugs?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I never had any trouble down to 0 to -10.  BUT I was always careful to 
get winter fuel.  One time a truck stop foisted summer fuel on me 
without notice.  That caused problems because it was way cold.  Once I 
got enough kerosene mixed with it all was well, but since I had filled, 
I had to put in as much K as I could 3 times before it straightened out.


Below, -10, everything has to be right.  Fuel, Glow, oil, IP, Nozzles, 
advance, timing, valve timing, valves...

It is a good idea to plug in the block heater below 0.

On an Iron head engine, if you set stuck in the way cold while 
traveling, you can use a propane torch to heat the head and/or the oil  
pan (Carefully)

Way cold = below 0ºF.


Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
December 28, 2017 at 4:50 PM
My 79 240D would start at 4F with no heater using the triple glow. I had
M1 in the engine and always used anti-gel from December-March.
Dwight Giles
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Re: [MBZ] Cold starting issue - glow plugs?

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Low probability might be an air leak in the fuel system that allows air in so 
the injection pump looses it's prime.  ;-)

I'd start with the preglow system as already discussed, keep this idea in mind 
if that route doesn't solve the issue.

Valves adjusted recently?
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On December 28, 2017 4:27:45 PM EST, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>On my W123 300TD, I am having a hard time getting it started when the
>temperature dips below 20 F despite the car being plugged into the
>block
>heater.  It takes 2 minutes of multiple glows and attempts before I can
>get
>it fired up. Once I get it started the engine runs as if it were
>preheated.
>
>Question: Does this sound like a glow plug issue?  Do the plugs wear
>out or
>simply fail?  If one is dead will the other 4 start the car, albeit
>laboriously?
>
>Happy 2018 to all,
>
>Andrew
>1983 300TD
>362 K
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Re: [MBZ] Cold starting issue - glow plugs?

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Andrew sez:

>Question: Does this sound like a glow >plug issue?‎

GP or relay. I just changed out a relay in my son's 123. ‎

Have you set the valves?
Proper valve clearance is essential to cold weather starting. 

>Do the plugs wear out or simply fail?‎

Yes. Short out on carbon, or open from age. You probably should've sold that 
one and kept the one you sold to Manfred's friend. Oops. 

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Cold starting issue - glow plugs?

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Andrew wrote:

> On my W123 300TD, I am having a hard time getting it started
> when the temperature dips below 20 F despite the car being
> plugged into the block heater.  It takes 2 minutes of multiple
> glows and attempts before I can get it fired up. Once I get it
> started the engine runs as if it were preheated.
> 
> Question: Does this sound like a glow plug issue?  Do the plugs
> wear out or simply fail?  If one is dead will the other 4 start
> the car, albeit laboriously?

With a working block heater, I expect even my tired car to start
one dead glow plug.  I think it started with two dead glow plugs
- after the block heater was on for an hours at a temperature of
about 0 C (32 F).

Hard starting when cold is usually tight valves, failed glow
plugs, - or low compression.

Glow plugs are easy to test.  I'll post again my preferred method
using an automotive ammeter if anyone wants details.

Valve lash isn't hard, but it involves removing a bunch of the
ugly '85 stuff along with the rocker arm cover.  And fingertips
will become black from the engine oil.

A compression test requires special tools.  But if the other two
are okay, then it's probably compression.


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Re: [MBZ] 603 hard starting

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I forgot to mention the delivery valve seals are new, timing was set but I 
guess I will check it again, I will go back and check glow plugs. Filter are 
all new.

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> On Dec 28, 2017, at 5:56 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Glow plugs, IP timing, no fuel leaks at the pre-heater and good filter, 
> compression.
> 
> Also, if you have leaking pressure valve seals, they can be quite hard to 
> keep running on cold starts due to late and incomplete injection.
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Re: [MBZ] Cold starting issue - glow plugs?

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Dr Booth used to say that every cold weather start for a diesel was a
compression test.

Dwight Giles Jr.
1972 300CD
2005 E320 4matic
Wickford RI

On Dec 28, 2017 5:50 PM, "Robert Massmann via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Andrew,

Sounds a little like my 85 300CD, I had too stop driving it in the the
winter time because it wouldn't start even with fresh glow plugs. Turned
out to be low compression, which is needed to get the fuel to ignite. Glow
plugs draw at least 10 amps and then drops of slightly as the plug warms
up. You could also check and see if you may have a large voltage drop on
the individual glow plug wires to make sure you do not have higher than
normal resistance in each of the glow plug wires. To much of a voltage drop
means the cglow plug will not get full voltage and will not heat up fully
as needed!

Regards,

Bob Massmann
Oregonia, Ohio

95 E300D
85 300CD
82 300D
81 VW Rabbit Pickup
2002 BMW 525i

-Original Message- From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2017 4:27 PM

To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Andrew Strasfogel
Subject: [MBZ] Cold starting issue - glow plugs?

On my W123 300TD, I am having a hard time getting it started when the
temperature dips below 20 F despite the car being plugged into the block
heater.  It takes 2 minutes of multiple glows and attempts before I can get
it fired up. Once I get it started the engine runs as if it were preheated.

Question: Does this sound like a glow plug issue?  Do the plugs wear out or
simply fail?  If one is dead will the other 4 start the car, albeit
laboriously?

Happy 2018 to all,

Andrew
1983 300TD
362 K
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Re: [MBZ] 603 hard starting

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Glow plugs, IP timing, no fuel leaks at the pre-heater and good filter, 
compression.

Also, if you have leaking pressure valve seals, they can be quite hard to keep 
running on cold starts due to late and incomplete injection.
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Re: [MBZ] Cold starting issue - glow plugs?

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Yes, it will make it harder to start the car if one plug is bad. IIRC, the
engine will run rough for a bit until that cylinder gets warm enough to
fire. If yours is running smoothly from moment it finally starts, then I
don't think it's a single (or two) glow plug issue. Either a bad plug relay
or fuse, or low compression. YMMV.

On Thu, Dec 28, 2017 at 3:50 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> My question was whether one bad GP would make it harder to start the car
> than with 5 good ones. Two bad ones?  But your point is taken - I will test
> them all once it gets a little warmer.
>
> On Thu, Dec 28, 2017 at 4:40 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > As I recall you posted that you may have bad GPs several weeks ago.  Id
> > you did then, you certainly do now.  Test them and find out.  it is not
> > hard.  Pull the pug at the GP realy and check ohms to ground in all 5
> pins
> > with inserts.  I'd bet you have at least 2 with infinite resistance..
> >
> > Wear out or fail, your choice.  Either way they are BAD.
> >
> > Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
> >> December 28, 2017 at 3:27 PM
> >>
> >> On my W123 300TD, I am having a hard time getting it started when the
> >> temperature dips below 20 F despite the car being plugged into the block
> >> heater. It takes 2 minutes of multiple glows and attempts before I can
> get
> >> it fired up. Once I get it started the engine runs as if it were
> >> preheated.
> >>
> >> Question: Does this sound like a glow plug issue? Do the plugs wear out
> or
> >> simply fail? If one is dead will the other 4 start the car, albeit
> >> laboriously?
> >>
> >> Happy 2018 to all,
> >>
> >> Andrew
> >> 1983 300TD
> >> 362 K
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] 603 hard starting

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Start checking power to each glow plug - - and just because they are new
does not mean they are good . . .

On Thu, Dec 28, 2017 at 4:38 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> It’s got new Bosio nozzles and glow plugs, but when it’s cold as in under
> about 40 or so, it fires but sputters and smokes even with pedal pushed
> then dies, then you have to start it up again and it will usually clear out
> and run. When it’s even colder you may have to start it a couple of times.
>
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Re: [MBZ] V. Cool '61 Land Rover on BAT

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

IME the Lucas systems were most problematic in cold, wet weather. Perhaps the 
climate in Fiji was more Lucas-friendly.

Greg

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Strasfogel via Mercedes
Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2017 6:34 AM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] V. Cool '61 Land Rover on BAT

I don't recall any serious electrical problems with the 1960's vintage Land 
Rovers that I drove around. Maybe they predated Lucas?

On Dec 27, 2017 10:43 PM, "Curley McLain via Mercedes" < mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
wrote:

> Ah yes, the Prince of Darkness!   I had one British POS for about 3 months
> and in that time the prince brought the darkness often!
>
> Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
>> December 27, 2017 at 6:39 PM
>> I had,a 73 series III and the Lucas electrics killed me for repairs,
>>
>> Dwight Giles Jr.
>> Wickford RI
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Owners Manual

[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

I rec'd a very completes set of literature for my 06 E350 in the mail 
today - OM, Comand, maint., etc.etc for $36.  It looks like it was 
reviewed and put away.  But they put a sticky note with a list of 
recomended oils w/weights in the maint book. The PO might have been one 
of us ;-)


Larry

On 12/26/2017 10:03 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:

Dan sez:


‎I’ve been trying to find an owner’s >manual for my W210 wagon since I got it

They are on Ebay, but they're not cheap!

‎I did a search for 1999 mercedes manual wagon, and turned up 10 results. 
Another item to get at the knackers, and sell on Ebay.

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Cold starting issue - glow plugs?

[Robert Massmann via Mercedes]

Andrew,

Sounds a little like my 85 300CD, I had too stop driving it in the the 
winter time because it wouldn't start even with fresh glow plugs. Turned out 
to be low compression, which is needed to get the fuel to ignite. Glow plugs 
draw at least 10 amps and then drops of slightly as the plug warms up. You 
could also check and see if you may have a large voltage drop on the 
individual glow plug wires to make sure you do not have higher than normal 
resistance in each of the glow plug wires. To much of a voltage drop means 
the cglow plug will not get full voltage and will not heat up fully as 
needed!


Regards,

Bob Massmann
Oregonia, Ohio

95 E300D
85 300CD
82 300D
81 VW Rabbit Pickup
2002 BMW 525i

-Original Message- 
From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes

Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2017 4:27 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Andrew Strasfogel
Subject: [MBZ] Cold starting issue - glow plugs?

On my W123 300TD, I am having a hard time getting it started when the
temperature dips below 20 F despite the car being plugged into the block
heater.  It takes 2 minutes of multiple glows and attempts before I can get
it fired up. Once I get it started the engine runs as if it were preheated.

Question: Does this sound like a glow plug issue?  Do the plugs wear out or
simply fail?  If one is dead will the other 4 start the car, albeit
laboriously?

Happy 2018 to all,

Andrew
1983 300TD
362 K
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Re: [MBZ] Cold starting issue - glow plugs?

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

My 79 240D would start at 4F with no heater using the triple glow.  I had
M1 in the engine and always used anti-gel from December-March.
Dwight Giles
Wickford R!

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Thu, Dec 28, 2017 at 5:44 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> My 78 240D started easily until it got cold even if plugged in. Then it
> refused even w/new GPs.  Ended up having low compression but it gave me the
> "opportunity" to completely rebuild the engine.  I still think about that
> rebuild with pride.  Gave me 30,000miles + of trouble free driving
>
> Have you checked the compression?
>
> LarryT
>
>
> On 12/28/2017 4:53 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Quite possible too!  I've had several bad GP relays.  If the GPs test
>> good, and you HAVE replaced the fuse, (and the new fuse does not blow the
>> first time you try to glow) and it is still no start, then it is likely the
>> relay is bad.
>>
>> Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
>>> December 28, 2017 at 3:40 PM
>>> That sounds like the experience I had with my '84 300D when the relay
>>> failed. If the engine has decent compression it should start ok with one
>>> bad GP. The GPs are easy to test with an ohmmeter.
>>>
>>> Greg
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] Cold starting issue - glow plugs?

[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

My 78 240D started easily until it got cold even if plugged in. Then it 
refused even w/new GPs.  Ended up having low compression but it gave me 
the "opportunity" to completely rebuild the engine.  I still think about 
that rebuild with pride.  Gave me 30,000miles + of trouble free driving


Have you checked the compression?

LarryT


On 12/28/2017 4:53 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
Quite possible too!  I've had several bad GP relays.  If the GPs test 
good, and you HAVE replaced the fuse, (and the new fuse does not blow 
the first time you try to glow) and it is still no start, then it is 
likely the relay is bad.



Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
December 28, 2017 at 3:40 PM
That sounds like the experience I had with my '84 300D when the relay 
failed. If the engine has decent compression it should start ok with 
one bad GP. The GPs are easy to test with an ohmmeter.


Greg


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Re: [MBZ] Cold starting issue - glow plugs?

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I had 1 bad plug in a 240d and it would not start at all

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 28, 2017, at 3:50 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> My question was whether one bad GP would make it harder to start the car
> than with 5 good ones. Two bad ones?  But your point is taken - I will test
> them all once it gets a little warmer.
> 
> On Thu, Dec 28, 2017 at 4:40 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> As I recall you posted that you may have bad GPs several weeks ago.  Id
>> you did then, you certainly do now.  Test them and find out.  it is not
>> hard.  Pull the pug at the GP realy and check ohms to ground in all 5 pins
>> with inserts.  I'd bet you have at least 2 with infinite resistance..
>> 
>> Wear out or fail, your choice.  Either way they are BAD.
>> 
>> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>>> December 28, 2017 at 3:27 PM
>>> 
>>> On my W123 300TD, I am having a hard time getting it started when the
>>> temperature dips below 20 F despite the car being plugged into the block
>>> heater. It takes 2 minutes of multiple glows and attempts before I can get
>>> it fired up. Once I get it started the engine runs as if it were
>>> preheated.
>>> 
>>> Question: Does this sound like a glow plug issue? Do the plugs wear out or
>>> simply fail? If one is dead will the other 4 start the car, albeit
>>> laboriously?
>>> 
>>> Happy 2018 to all,
>>> 
>>> Andrew
>>> 1983 300TD
>>> 362 K
>>> 
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[MBZ] 603 hard starting

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

It’s got new Bosio nozzles and glow plugs, but when it’s cold as in under about 
40 or so, it fires but sputters and smokes even with pedal pushed then dies, 
then you have to start it up again and it will usually clear out and run. When 
it’s even colder you may have to start it a couple of times. 

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Re: [MBZ] Cold starting issue - glow plugs?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Quite possible too!  I've had several bad GP relays.  If the GPs test 
good, and you HAVE replaced the fuse, (and the new fuse does not blow 
the first time you try to glow) and it is still no start, then it is 
likely the relay is bad.



Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
December 28, 2017 at 3:40 PM
That sounds like the experience I had with my '84 300D when the relay 
failed. If the engine has decent compression it should start ok with 
one bad GP. The GPs are easy to test with an ohmmeter.


Greg


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Re: [MBZ] Cold starting issue - glow plugs?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

My question was whether one bad GP would make it harder to start the car
than with 5 good ones. Two bad ones?  But your point is taken - I will test
them all once it gets a little warmer.

On Thu, Dec 28, 2017 at 4:40 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> As I recall you posted that you may have bad GPs several weeks ago.  Id
> you did then, you certainly do now.  Test them and find out.  it is not
> hard.  Pull the pug at the GP realy and check ohms to ground in all 5 pins
> with inserts.  I'd bet you have at least 2 with infinite resistance..
>
> Wear out or fail, your choice.  Either way they are BAD.
>
> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>> December 28, 2017 at 3:27 PM
>>
>> On my W123 300TD, I am having a hard time getting it started when the
>> temperature dips below 20 F despite the car being plugged into the block
>> heater. It takes 2 minutes of multiple glows and attempts before I can get
>> it fired up. Once I get it started the engine runs as if it were
>> preheated.
>>
>> Question: Does this sound like a glow plug issue? Do the plugs wear out or
>> simply fail? If one is dead will the other 4 start the car, albeit
>> laboriously?
>>
>> Happy 2018 to all,
>>
>> Andrew
>> 1983 300TD
>> 362 K
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Cold starting issue - glow plugs?

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

That sounds like the experience I had with my '84 300D when the relay failed. 
If the engine has decent compression it should start ok with one bad GP. The 
GPs are easy to test with an ohmmeter.

Greg

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Subject: [MBZ] Cold starting issue - glow plugs?

On my W123 300TD, I am having a hard time getting it started when the 
temperature dips below 20 F despite the car being plugged into the block 
heater.  It takes 2 minutes of multiple glows and attempts before I can get it 
fired up. Once I get it started the engine runs as if it were preheated.

Question: Does this sound like a glow plug issue?  Do the plugs wear out or 
simply fail?  If one is dead will the other 4 start the car, albeit laboriously?

Happy 2018 to all,

Andrew
1983 300TD
362 K
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Re: [MBZ] Cold starting issue - glow plugs?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

As I recall you posted that you may have bad GPs several weeks ago.  Id 
you did then, you certainly do now.  Test them and find out.  it is not 
hard.  Pull the pug at the GP realy and check ohms to ground in all 5 
pins with inserts.  I'd bet you have at least 2 with infinite resistance..


Wear out or fail, your choice.  Either way they are BAD.


Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
December 28, 2017 at 3:27 PM
On my W123 300TD, I am having a hard time getting it started when the
temperature dips below 20 F despite the car being plugged into the block
heater. It takes 2 minutes of multiple glows and attempts before I can get
it fired up. Once I get it started the engine runs as if it were 
preheated.


Question: Does this sound like a glow plug issue? Do the plugs wear out or
simply fail? If one is dead will the other 4 start the car, albeit
laboriously?

Happy 2018 to all,

Andrew
1983 300TD
362 K


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[MBZ] Bruce Wayne's Benz

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

http://gtspirit.com/2017/10/08/batman-drive-mercedes-benz-vision-gt-justice-league-movie/

 

Greg

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[MBZ] Cold starting issue - glow plugs?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

On my W123 300TD, I am having a hard time getting it started when the
temperature dips below 20 F despite the car being plugged into the block
heater.  It takes 2 minutes of multiple glows and attempts before I can get
it fired up. Once I get it started the engine runs as if it were preheated.

Question: Does this sound like a glow plug issue?  Do the plugs wear out or
simply fail?  If one is dead will the other 4 start the car, albeit
laboriously?

Happy 2018 to all,

Andrew
1983 300TD
362 K
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Re: [MBZ] Radio silence

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

That's pretty dramatic - must be a warm front.

On Thu, Dec 28, 2017 at 10:02 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I think it was in the 0 to -10 range the time my Dad froze the fuel lines
> under his Cutlass Ciera Diesel. Made it to Lansing on the highway, but
> stalled out in traffic in the city. I have no idea how cold the salty mess
> on the bottom of the car was.
>
> I saw -16 in the wee hours this morning but it was up to -4 by 7am.
> Is our weather headed your way on prevailing west winds?
> Mitch.
>
> > On December 28, 2017 at 9:41 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Cool here too -2F this morning when I went out to start Angie's car so
> it'd warm up a little before she went to work.Yesterday she got a half mile
> down the road and lost power (this is the '05 Golf TDI). By the time she
> got home and swapped for the pickup it was fine.
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[MBZ] Stupid money for a Euro 4 speed 6cyl. SL

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

$37,000!!  At no reserve!! and it's brown!!!

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1980-mercedes-benz-280sl/?utm_source=dailymail_medium=email_campaign=2017-12-28
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Re: [MBZ] Nasty ugly crack car is back

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

BAT comment of the week:
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1971-oldsmobile-442-2/

Whether you are a private seller or dealer, coming here with something to hide 
will make for a miserable waste of time. I have seen suspect dealers called out 
for not knowing their product, excluding selective photos, and taking offence 
towards known knowledgeable members of the community. Engagement, clarity and 
responsiveness is what sells cars on this site.

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[MBZ] Subject: Re: V. Cool '61 Land Rover on BAT

[Rdeafboy via Mercedes]

As a proud  owner of a 1969 Austin America [ Lucas wired] ,I've never had a 
problem with the "Prince of Darkness"I remember when all my frat brothers 
had MGs and if it was foggy or raining  you can forget about starting your car 
...never had that problem but of course i used "Wire Dryer" spray to cover the 
distributor/spark plug wires...Of course ,on a British car it is a well known 
fact that :  ALL PARTS FALLING OFF THIS CAR ARE OF THE FINEST ENGLISH 
WORKMANSHIP..I rest my case...

 
Bob  1983 240d  233K
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[MBZ] I Really Hope Mercedes Brings The AMG Models When The 2018 A-Class Comes To America

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

https://jalopnik.com/i-really-hope-mercedes-brings-the-amg-models-when-the-2-1821621239


--FT


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Re: [MBZ] V. Cool '61 Land Rover on BAT

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Yes that would be my guess.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Dec 28, 2017 9:42 AM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> Doubt it. More likely all the Lucas stuff had already failed and been
> replaced with Bosch.
> -Curt
>
>
> On Thursday, December 28, 2017, 9:33:36 AM EST, Andrew Strasfogel via
> Mercedes  wrote:
>
>  I don't recall any serious electrical problems with the 1960's vintage
> Land
> Rovers that I drove around. Maybe they predated Lucas?
>
> On Dec 27, 2017 10:43 PM, "Curley McLain via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Ah yes, the Prince of Darkness!  I had one British POS for about 3 months
> > and in that time the prince brought the darkness often!
> >
> > Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
> >> December 27, 2017 at 6:39 PM
> >> I had,a 73 series III and the Lucas electrics killed me for repairs,
> >>
> >> Dwight Giles Jr.
> >> Wickford RI
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Christmas presents

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

I've got to finish up some exterior caulking and painting, weather isn't
too nice for that today and tomorrow doesn't look too much better, so don't
wait on me but I'll let you know.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Thu, Dec 28, 2017 at 10:33 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I'm thinking about heading up to Don's on Saturday!  That work?
>
> --FT
>
>
> On 12/27/17 4:09 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
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>> A coupon redeemable for a day at the pick-n-pull!
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Subject: Re: Secret message for Randy

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Well, for an anecdotal story on the other side, I was inoculated with the
flu vaccine and many many others during my military career.  I rarely get
sick with anything.  I don't know that an annual flu vaccine has made a
positive difference in my case, but they sure haven't hurt me.  Before I
started getting all the military vaccines (high school and college) I was
also very rarely sick.

Vitamin D: In our area for my family, vitamin D levels are routinely
included in blood panels, but I do agree that 'Merican medicine focuses too
much on treatment with pharma rather than preventive medicine and healthy
living.  Latest and greatest pharma seems to be what many doc's know about
and prescribe, but knowing a good pharmacist and understanding other
medicines that are cheaper and usually just as effective can help a lot.
In one case, a doc declined to even take the time to look up a medicine
that SWMBO knew of from living in Italy, so she borrowed the drug reference
book from the nurses station, looked it up herself, and then went back to
the Doc and showed him what she wanted.  He relented but was mighty upset
that his patient knew more than he and stood up to him, needless to say we
switched docs after that episode.
-
Max
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] Christmas presents

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I'm thinking about heading up to Don's on Saturday!  That work?

--FT


On 12/27/17 4:09 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

A coupon redeemable for a day at the pick-n-pull!



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[MBZ] Subject: Re: Secret message for Randy

[Rdeafboy via Mercedes]

ListersI have NOT gotten the flu shot . Same as my sister .  we have not 
gotten sick either ..  The key is Vitamin  D...I take 5,000 to 7,000 units a 
day with two/three Vitamin K2 also . The K2[Walmart]  keeps the calcium/D from 
assimilating in the arteries...Even when I was in the hospital for my stroke 
,they tried to make me take the flu shot- refused !   I know 2 people that got 
the flu shots last year and were deathly sick for 7 days..Look up Dr 
Mercola's site and delve into Vitamin D /flu shotsBTW   If you keep your 
Vit D level above 30  you really can't get cancerDoctors have no clue about 
Vit D ...During the warm months I get my sunlight for the "D".here in PA I 
take the D supplement from Nov til March/April .  It's hard to get a doctor to 
do a Vit D level test since they are brainwashed by your friendly Pharma .   
The test is 25-HydroxyvitaminD or 25[OH]D .    My D level was 98- high because 
I spend time outdoors at the shorehouse in Ocean City,NJ  from April til 
Oct..FYI   if you spend 20 minutes with skin exposed to sunlight ...you 
receive 10,000 units of D ...it's that simple. at 67 7/8 yrs old,I must be 
doing something right since I'm playing full court serious basketball with guys 
30,40,50 & 60 yrs old !! [2 @ 73]  
 
Have a happy & HEALTHY New Year everybody
Bob [ who just "Flex-Sealed" my 240D]     That story coming soon !!
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Re: [MBZ] Radio silence

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

I think it was in the 0 to -10 range the time my Dad froze the fuel lines under 
his Cutlass Ciera Diesel. Made it to Lansing on the highway, but stalled out in 
traffic in the city. I have no idea how cold the salty mess on the bottom of 
the car was. 

I saw -16 in the wee hours this morning but it was up to -4 by 7am. 
Is our weather headed your way on prevailing west winds?
Mitch. 

> On December 28, 2017 at 9:41 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Cool here too -2F this morning when I went out to start Angie's car so it'd 
> warm up a little before she went to work.Yesterday she got a half mile down 
> the road and lost power (this is the '05 Golf TDI). By the time she got home 
> and swapped for the pickup it was fine.

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Re: [MBZ] Radio silence

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Careful, you don't want to get frostbite.
-CurtTime to go throw another log on the 
firehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJNSWkgPr9g
 

On Thursday, December 28, 2017, 9:47:13 AM EST, Dan--- via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Cool here, too. In the mid 60s this morning. B.

-D

> On Dec 28, 2017, at 9:41 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Cool here too -2F this morning when I went out to start Angie's car so it'd 
> warm up a little before she went to work.Yesterday she got a half mile down 
> the road and lost power (this is the '05 Golf TDI). By the time she got home 
> and swapped for the pickup it was fine. I took it over to Autozone and bought 
> a bottle of Power Service (the white bottle). Put in 8oz (enough for 20 
> gallons) and it was fine the rest of the day. Started fine this morning when 
> it was 5 or 6 degrees colder so I guess we had a little gelling or ice in the 
> fuel filter or something...
> -Curt
> 
> 
>    On Thursday, December 28, 2017, 9:26:30 AM EST, MG via Mercedes 
> wrote:  
> 
> Probably. Overcast and a bit cool out. Ahh but it's a humid cool.
> 
> MG
> 
> Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
>> Busy day?
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Re: [MBZ] Radio silence

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Cool here, too. In the mid 60s this morning. B.

-D

> On Dec 28, 2017, at 9:41 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Cool here too -2F this morning when I went out to start Angie's car so it'd 
> warm up a little before she went to work.Yesterday she got a half mile down 
> the road and lost power (this is the '05 Golf TDI). By the time she got home 
> and swapped for the pickup it was fine. I took it over to Autozone and bought 
> a bottle of Power Service (the white bottle). Put in 8oz (enough for 20 
> gallons) and it was fine the rest of the day. Started fine this morning when 
> it was 5 or 6 degrees colder so I guess we had a little gelling or ice in the 
> fuel filter or something...
> -Curt
> 
> 
>On Thursday, December 28, 2017, 9:26:30 AM EST, MG via Mercedes 
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> Probably. Overcast and a bit cool out. Ahh but it's a humid cool.
> 
> MG
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>> Busy day?
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Re: [MBZ] V. Cool '61 Land Rover on BAT

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Doubt it. More likely all the Lucas stuff had already failed and been replaced 
with Bosch.
-Curt
 

On Thursday, December 28, 2017, 9:33:36 AM EST, Andrew Strasfogel via 
Mercedes  wrote:  
 
 I don't recall any serious electrical problems with the 1960's vintage Land
Rovers that I drove around. Maybe they predated Lucas?

On Dec 27, 2017 10:43 PM, "Curley McLain via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Ah yes, the Prince of Darkness!  I had one British POS for about 3 months
> and in that time the prince brought the darkness often!
>
> Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
>> December 27, 2017 at 6:39 PM
>> I had,a 73 series III and the Lucas electrics killed me for repairs,
>>
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>> Wickford RI
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Re: [MBZ] Radio silence

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Cool here too -2F this morning when I went out to start Angie's car so it'd 
warm up a little before she went to work.Yesterday she got a half mile down the 
road and lost power (this is the '05 Golf TDI). By the time she got home and 
swapped for the pickup it was fine. I took it over to Autozone and bought a 
bottle of Power Service (the white bottle). Put in 8oz (enough for 20 gallons) 
and it was fine the rest of the day. Started fine this morning when it was 5 or 
6 degrees colder so I guess we had a little gelling or ice in the fuel filter 
or something...
-Curt
 

On Thursday, December 28, 2017, 9:26:30 AM EST, MG via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Probably. Overcast and a bit cool out. Ahh but it's a humid cool.

MG

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> Busy day?

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Re: [MBZ] V. Cool '61 Land Rover on BAT

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I don't recall any serious electrical problems with the 1960's vintage Land
Rovers that I drove around. Maybe they predated Lucas?

On Dec 27, 2017 10:43 PM, "Curley McLain via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Ah yes, the Prince of Darkness!   I had one British POS for about 3 months
> and in that time the prince brought the darkness often!
>
> Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
>> December 27, 2017 at 6:39 PM
>> I had,a 73 series III and the Lucas electrics killed me for repairs,
>>
>> Dwight Giles Jr.
>> Wickford RI
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Radio silence

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

On a marathon webex with a vendor. 6:58 minutes yesterday, probably half that 
today. Building a proof of concept dev environment for McAfee ePO (antivirus).

-D

> On Dec 28, 2017, at 9:26 AM, MG via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> Probably. Overcast and a bit cool out. Ahh but it's a humid cool.
> 
> MG
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Re: [MBZ] Christmas presents

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Might try this next year.  I could use a humorous Xmas.

On Wed, Dec 27, 2017 at 8:51 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes <
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>
> tyee165 wrote:
> > What did Santa bring y'all?
> ~~
> 2 books on geezers: "There was an old geezer named Caesar", and "The
> complete geezer guidebook".
> Geezer Definition: An old man, particularly one who is either cranky or
> eccentric.
>
> Also got warm pajamas, ultra deluxe flavored popcorn and nuts, red
> handkerchiefs, and a middle finger extension so that if you give somebody
> the finger they won't miss it.
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> Gerry
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Re: [MBZ] Radio silence

[MG via Mercedes]

Probably. Overcast and a bit cool out. Ahh but it's a humid cool.

MG

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[MBZ] Radio silence

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Busy day?
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