Re: [MBZ] 300SD wanted in POS brown
PPG likely has a paint code for that. :) Walt On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 10:43 PM, Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: A very yellow w123 would be so cool nowadays. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 15, 2011, at 10:31 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Ted Kennedy should have been driving a Benz then --R On 8/15/11 10:18 PM, Allan Streib wrote: Sometimes it floats... Rich Thomasrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net writes: Isn't that what settles to the bottom of the barrel though? --R On 8/15/11 10:08 PM, Hendrik Fay wrote: I prefer bright colours, had a bright yellow Nissan patrol (with a 3.3 turbo Diesel) and looked at a very yellow 123 many years ago but the missus said no, too yellow :'( However when you are scraping out the bottom of the barrel you can't be too choosy in what you find. Hendrik who reckons brown is a real pooey colour ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT computer still shuts down
Here's NewEgg's combo of the day: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.719896 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT computer still shuts down
Mitch Haley wrote: Here's NewEgg's combo of the day: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.719896 Oops, took a good look at that combo and I don't think I'd go for it, but it's better than buying a $329 eMachine. 1. Should have a better power supply with active regulation. I'd rather have a $40 PS in a eMachine case than a $40 case/PS combo. 2. $50 Motherboard, no mention of solid caps. All I see in the pics are electrolytics. Buy it if you don't mind upgrading it in 3-5 years when the caps start failing. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT computer still shuts down
Todays electrolytics aren't as bad as yester-years. Tantalum caps are good, but not the end-all either. They're more exppensive to put on the board, so they drive cost up. If it's worth the extra? I'm not sure to be honest. The lower ESR is always good, as well as the thermal stability, so for high performance setups with limited airflow it could be an advantage. Their failure mode is quite interesting as well, they either slowly decrease in value, or explode. They're used to detonate some explosives believe it or not. Walt On Aug 16, 2011 5:07 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Mitch Haley wrote: Here's NewEgg's combo of the day: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.719896 Oops, took a good look at that combo and I don't think I'd go for it, but it's better than buying a $329 eMachine. 1. Should have a better power supply with active regulation. I'd rather have a $40 PS in a eMachine case than a $40 case/PS combo. 2. $50 Motherboard, no mention of solid caps. All I see in the pics are electrolytics. Buy it if you don't mind upgrading it in 3-5 years when the caps start failing. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Unexplained whining noise in my W123 300TD
Didn't he say right from the start that the new engine didn't have as much power as the old one? I shudder to think of all those little pieces of metal going through the valves and cylinders. On second though I don't think I would buy this car. :-) Manfred Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 19:53:03 -0400 From: Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Unexplained whining noise in my W123 300TD Glad to hear the mystery is solved! Curious that you didn't notice any power loss. Max ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT computer still shuts down
Or you can have bootleg 'lytics made with the wrong ingredients that fail within a matter of weeks of being made. This happened to Apple and a number of other computer manufacturers back in 2005-6. IMacs had bad MBs and power supplies as a result. I have picked up several of these machines, and after replacing the failed (swollen) caps with new, all is well. Dan Sent from my iPhone On Aug 16, 2011, at 5:55 AM, Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com wrote: Todays electrolytics aren't as bad as yester-years. Tantalum caps are good, but not the end-all either. They're more exppensive to put on the board, so they drive cost up. If it's worth the extra? I'm not sure to be honest. The lower ESR is always good, as well as the thermal stability, so for high performance setups with limited airflow it could be an advantage. Their failure mode is quite interesting as well, they either slowly decrease in value, or explode. They're used to detonate some explosives believe it or not. Walt On Aug 16, 2011 5:07 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Mitch Haley wrote: Here's NewEgg's combo of the day: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.719896 Oops, took a good look at that combo and I don't think I'd go for it, but it's better than buying a $329 eMachine. 1. Should have a better power supply with active regulation. I'd rather have a $40 PS in a eMachine case than a $40 case/PS combo. 2. $50 Motherboard, no mention of solid caps. All I see in the pics are electrolytics. Buy it if you don't mind upgrading it in 3-5 years when the caps start failing. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Unexplained whining noise in my W123 300TD
Is that what would happen, assuming Kaleb's theory of the fat O-ring getting sucked in? Wow, time to start looking for a new engine already? Perhaps the shop that installed the engine will be so kind as to pick up the cost for purchase and install of the new engine? Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon '87 300TD 334k miles (Off with the head!) '95 E300 292k miles (daily driving duties) '73 Balboa 20 (High dry until the head is back on) Charleston SC From: MG trainpain2...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tue, August 16, 2011 6:51:47 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Unexplained whining noise in my W123 300TD Didn't he say right from the start that the new engine didn't have as much power as the old one? I shudder to think of all those little pieces of metal going through the valves and cylinders. On second though I don't think I would buy this car. :-) Manfred Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 19:53:03 -0400 From: Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Unexplained whining noise in my W123 300TD Glad to hear the mystery is solved! Curious that you didn't notice any power loss. Max ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Unexplained whining noise in my W123 300TD
I doubt it did anything real bad to the engine but its not a good thing for sure. The ONLY way for the impeller blades to be worn off like he is saying is for something to get sucked in. Only takes a second too. I am 99.9% sure what I said happened is what happened. Its easy to do if you are not paying attention when putting the air cleaner back on. In any case, the shop should be picking up the tab for a new turbo and install. On 8/16/2011 7:28 AM, Max Dillon wrote: Is that what would happen, assuming Kaleb's theory of the fat O-ring getting sucked in? Wow, time to start looking for a new engine already? Perhaps the shop that installed the engine will be so kind as to pick up the cost for purchase and install of the new engine? Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon '87 300TD 334k miles (Off with the head!) '95 E300 292k miles (daily driving duties) '73 Balboa 20 (High dry until the head is back on) Charleston SC From: MGtrainpain2...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tue, August 16, 2011 6:51:47 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Unexplained whining noise in my W123 300TD Didn't he say right from the start that the new engine didn't have as much power as the old one? I shudder to think of all those little pieces of metal going through the valves and cylinders. On second though I don't think I would buy this car. :-) Manfred Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 19:53:03 -0400 From: Max Dillonmeadedil...@bellsouth.net To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Unexplained whining noise in my W123 300TD Glad to hear the mystery is solved! Curious that you didn't notice any power loss. Max ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Unexplained whining noise in my W123 300TD
And I'd think a head-off inspection as well... Walt On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 9:27 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: I doubt it did anything real bad to the engine but its not a good thing for sure. The ONLY way for the impeller blades to be worn off like he is saying is for something to get sucked in. Only takes a second too. I am 99.9% sure what I said happened is what happened. Its easy to do if you are not paying attention when putting the air cleaner back on. In any case, the shop should be picking up the tab for a new turbo and install. On 8/16/2011 7:28 AM, Max Dillon wrote: Is that what would happen, assuming Kaleb's theory of the fat O-ring getting sucked in? Wow, time to start looking for a new engine already? Perhaps the shop that installed the engine will be so kind as to pick up the cost for purchase and install of the new engine? Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon '87 300TD 334k miles (Off with the head!) '95 E300 292k miles (daily driving duties) '73 Balboa 20 (High dry until the head is back on) Charleston SC From: MGtrainpain2...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tue, August 16, 2011 6:51:47 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Unexplained whining noise in my W123 300TD Didn't he say right from the start that the new engine didn't have as much power as the old one? I shudder to think of all those little pieces of metal going through the valves and cylinders. On second though I don't think I would buy this car. :-) Manfred Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 19:53:03 -0400 From: Max Dillonmeadedil...@bellsouth.net To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Unexplained whining noise in my W123 300TD Glad to hear the mystery is solved! Curious that you didn't notice any power loss. Max ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] S320 transmission needed
They tried the computer reset described below but had no success with it. The spring arrived yesterday late and they are installing it today. Bill R -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-bounces@okiebenz.c om] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 11:39 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] S320 transmission needed Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Ok so they replaced the plate, did they reset the computer? A regular obd tool won't cut it. Will this do it? From Benzworld: Have you tried the FREE method?? (ie. Resetting the Tranny Computer??) Turn key to position 2 Hold gas pedal to floor for 5 seconds Release and turn key to position 0 but DONT TAKE THE KEY OUT!! Wait a minimum of 2 minutes during this time DONT TOUCH ANYTHING, and Don't open the doors,etc... Now you're reset... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/li stinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SD wanted in POS brown
That is so stale. Ted's gone, and a R occupies his place in the Senate (though hopefully not for long).. On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 10:31 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Ted Kennedy should have been driving a Benz then --R On 8/15/11 10:18 PM, Allan Streib wrote: Sometimes it floats... Rich Thomasrichthomas79TD300@**constructivity.netrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net writes: Isn't that what settles to the bottom of the barrel though? --R On 8/15/11 10:08 PM, Hendrik Fay wrote: I prefer bright colours, had a bright yellow Nissan patrol (with a 3.3 turbo Diesel) and looked at a very yellow 123 many years ago but the missus said no, too yellow :'( However when you are scraping out the bottom of the barrel you can't be too choosy in what you find. Hendrik who reckons brown is a real pooey colour __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SD wanted in POS brown
R or D, they all seem to be out of touch with the general public. Walt On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 11:25 AM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: That is so stale. Ted's gone, and a R occupies his place in the Senate (though hopefully not for long).. On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 10:31 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Ted Kennedy should have been driving a Benz then --R On 8/15/11 10:18 PM, Allan Streib wrote: Sometimes it floats... Rich Thomasrichthomas79TD300@**constructivity.netrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net writes: Isn't that what settles to the bottom of the barrel though? --R On 8/15/11 10:08 PM, Hendrik Fay wrote: I prefer bright colours, had a bright yellow Nissan patrol (with a 3.3 turbo Diesel) and looked at a very yellow 123 many years ago but the missus said no, too yellow :'( However when you are scraping out the bottom of the barrel you can't be too choosy in what you find. Hendrik who reckons brown is a real pooey colour __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Unexplained whining noise in my W123 300TD
There was always a faint whine or moan that I attributed as coming from the transmission. The car had adequate power once the vacuum issues were sorted out. I drove the car for several trouble free weeks after that until the whining nosie escalated and the turbo disintegrated. I'll try to get them to give me a break on labor to install the new turbo assembly.. On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 9:27 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: I doubt it did anything real bad to the engine but its not a good thing for sure. The ONLY way for the impeller blades to be worn off like he is saying is for something to get sucked in. Only takes a second too. I am 99.9% sure what I said happened is what happened. Its easy to do if you are not paying attention when putting the air cleaner back on. In any case, the shop should be picking up the tab for a new turbo and install. On 8/16/2011 7:28 AM, Max Dillon wrote: Is that what would happen, assuming Kaleb's theory of the fat O-ring getting sucked in? Wow, time to start looking for a new engine already? Perhaps the shop that installed the engine will be so kind as to pick up the cost for purchase and install of the new engine? Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon '87 300TD 334k miles (Off with the head!) '95 E300 292k miles (daily driving duties) '73 Balboa 20 (High dry until the head is back on) Charleston SC __**__ From: MGtrainpain2...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tue, August 16, 2011 6:51:47 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Unexplained whining noise in my W123 300TD Didn't he say right from the start that the new engine didn't have as much power as the old one? I shudder to think of all those little pieces of metal going through the valves and cylinders. On second though I don't think I would buy this car. :-) Manfred Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 19:53:03 -0400 From: Max Dillonmeadedillon@bellsouth.**net meadedil...@bellsouth.net To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Unexplained whining noise in my W123 300TD Glad to hear the mystery is solved! Curious that you didn't notice any power loss. Max __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SD wanted in POS brown
Walt Zarnoch wrote: R or D, they all seem to be out of touch with the general public. Scott Brown is no more R than John McCain. Which is a lot less R than JFK, but very, very R for modern day Massachusetts. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Unexplained whining noise in my W123 300TD
andrew strasfogel wrote: There was always a faint whine or moan that I attributed as coming from the transmission. The car had adequate power once the vacuum issues were sorted out. I drove the car for several trouble free weeks after that until the whining nosie escalated and the turbo disintegrated. I'll try to get them to give me a break on labor to install the new turbo assembly.. If there's a u-tube seal missing, they should give you something... If the seals are on both ends of the u-tube, very hard to blame them unless you find a wrench with their initials on it in the turbo. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT computer still shuts down
Recently, my 3-4 yr old emachine motherboard went bad. Symptom was apparent spontaneous sleep mode that required unplug before it would restart. When I took off the case side and put a big fan blowing in room air, the machine would run OK for many hours: thermal problem confirmed. I found a used motherboard on the net ($80 delivered) and that was the fix. But I got impatient during troubleshooting and bought a new cheap Dell dual core for $350 which is VERY much faster. So the repaired emachine is now my spare. The main downside was transitioning from the windows 2000 interface to the Windows 7 interface (classic view helped). Also some old 16 bit software won't run on the 64 bit W7. Otherwise, W7 looks like an improvement even if this old dog had to learn some new tricks. So, IMO you probably have a bad motherboard, fixable for about $100. On the other hand, a new machine may be a better plan, particularly if it's your main workstation. But first be sure your software will run on the new OS. Scott -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 9:44 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT computer still shuts down I hate to stick a new board in it and it still does it but its just about got to be something on the board. Rich Thomas wrote: It is probably the mobo going flaky. You can get a new mobo/processor cheap, with some memory, maybe a new id card, and just use the old box and drives. Take about 30 min to change it out. Microcenter and Newegg have some package deals usually. Then you'll have a new machine that should work OK. --R On 8/15/11 9:31 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: I thought yesterday the problem was with the XP drive, with it unplugged the vista drive fired up normally. I did have it do the shut down in the middle of booting once after that. This morning it started doing it again. It would not boot at all, would just shut off. Tried starting in in safe mode with networking, same thing, tried just plain safe mode, same thing. Tried booting with last known good configuration, it started normally. WTF? I am not sure if I mentioned it or not but part of my testing was to try it with only 1 stick of memory, then the other. It did the same thing with either so if its go something to do with that, both memory sticks are bad. I also am running it with no power to that 2nd xp hard drive and also have the cd drive unplugged in case it was a power supply problem (which I dont think it is). This is just a cheapie emachine computer I bought about 4 years ago. Im leaning toward just buying a new one. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 99 E430, 99 E320. 97 E300, 95 E300, 93 300D, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 90 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT computer still shuts down
In my experience, the higher wattage PS fans are noiser. If that makes a difference. I like quiet. -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Russ Williams Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 7:12 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT computer still shuts down Kaleb MSI makes some good Mobos. The AMD Phenom CPU is a good one also. The only thing I don't like about the system is the 400w PS. 500w is the least that I use when building a system for a client. That's my 2¢ worth. Russ W. On 8/15/2011 5:47 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: what about something like this? http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7 58127CatId=336 On 8/15/2011 5:36 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: speaking of all this, it has been a long time since I have looked at barebones systems etc. How do you know what to get as far as processor? They dont seem to refer to them in mhz or ghz anymore so I am not sure if what I am looking for is a fast processor or a slow one. Is AMD or Intel best these days? Last several I have done I have gone AMD. The rest of it I can figure out but I just dont have a clue how they are rating processors these days. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT computer still shuts down
You can always replace the PS fan, they're usually easy to get at. I had to reverse the flow of my PSU fan to suit my case arrangement. Bit of a custom case, has a huge nidec Beta V fan blowing the hot air out of what used to be a decorative top vent. Needed the PSU to suck in air so that it didn't fight that fan (some interesting beat frequencies were being produced otherwise...). Yes, it's filtered. Walt On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Scott and Gwen Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: In my experience, the higher wattage PS fans are noiser. If that makes a difference. I like quiet. -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Russ Williams Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 7:12 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT computer still shuts down Kaleb MSI makes some good Mobos. The AMD Phenom CPU is a good one also. The only thing I don't like about the system is the 400w PS. 500w is the least that I use when building a system for a client. That's my 2¢ worth. Russ W. On 8/15/2011 5:47 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: what about something like this? http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7 58127CatId=336 On 8/15/2011 5:36 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: speaking of all this, it has been a long time since I have looked at barebones systems etc. How do you know what to get as far as processor? They dont seem to refer to them in mhz or ghz anymore so I am not sure if what I am looking for is a fast processor or a slow one. Is AMD or Intel best these days? Last several I have done I have gone AMD. The rest of it I can figure out but I just dont have a clue how they are rating processors these days. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] S320 transmission needed
When they pull that cover to replace it I would bet the old one comes out in 2 pieces. I don't anything about resetting the computer with that method so I can't say if it really works or not. One other thing to check also is to see if the big electrical plug at the tranny is leaking. Most of the time that plug needs to be replaced. what happens is it leaks fluid into the wiring harness which can actually wick up and get into the tranny computer causing these sorts of problems Sent from my iPhone On Aug 16, 2011, at 9:54 AM, Bill Ringgold billr32...@comcast.net wrote: They tried the computer reset described below but had no success with it. The spring arrived yesterday late and they are installing it today. Bill R -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-bounces@okiebenz.c om] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 11:39 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] S320 transmission needed Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Ok so they replaced the plate, did they reset the computer? A regular obd tool won't cut it. Will this do it? From Benzworld: Have you tried the FREE method?? (ie. Resetting the Tranny Computer??) Turn key to position 2 Hold gas pedal to floor for 5 seconds Release and turn key to position 0 but DONT TAKE THE KEY OUT!! Wait a minimum of 2 minutes during this time DONT TOUCH ANYTHING, and Don't open the doors,etc... Now you're reset... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/li stinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Unexplained whining noise in my W123 300TD
I can just about guarantee one of them will be missing and most likely the one at the air cleaner end Sent from my iPhone On Aug 16, 2011, at 10:41 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: andrew strasfogel wrote: There was always a faint whine or moan that I attributed as coming from the transmission. The car had adequate power once the vacuum issues were sorted out. I drove the car for several trouble free weeks after that until the whining nosie escalated and the turbo disintegrated. I'll try to get them to give me a break on labor to install the new turbo assembly.. If there's a u-tube seal missing, they should give you something... If the seals are on both ends of the u-tube, very hard to blame them unless you find a wrench with their initials on it in the turbo. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Unexplained whining noise in my W123 300TD
This is a CA version engine. What/where are the U tube seals? On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 12:16 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: I can just about guarantee one of them will be missing and most likely the one at the air cleaner end Sent from my iPhone On Aug 16, 2011, at 10:41 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: andrew strasfogel wrote: There was always a faint whine or moan that I attributed as coming from the transmission. The car had adequate power once the vacuum issues were sorted out. I drove the car for several trouble free weeks after that until the whining nosie escalated and the turbo disintegrated. I'll try to get them to give me a break on labor to install the new turbo assembly.. If there's a u-tube seal missing, they should give you something... If the seals are on both ends of the u-tube, very hard to blame them unless you find a wrench with their initials on it in the turbo. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] lubromoly oil
Mobil claims that the loss of CF is because its an obsolete standard and that the 15w50 still meets the CF standard even though its not on the bottle. I put it in my 240D a few thousand miles ago and it hasn't blown up yet ;) M1 5w40 ALWAYS had CI-4 on the bottle and met with approval on the list. I have yet to see anybody give convincing proof (like analysis) that it doesn't have zinc levels that are adequate. Basically my contention is I understand where you're coming from but you haven't offered ANY proof. I haven't either but I'm not contending that things have changed. -Curt Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 18:47:27 -0500 From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] lubromoly oil Message-ID: a06240891ca6f5e3f3ebe@[10.10.100.225] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ; format=flowed I just checked my stock of M1 and it is SL/CF. I know most of the new M1 stuff carries no Cx designation, because it is not suited for Diesels of any sort. Therefore the M1 Diesel Truck was brought out that is formulated for 2007 up Deetriot pickup Diesels. I think it was the time before last that the M1 thread ran that the lack of Zinc and phosphorous was discussed in depth. In the years since 2007, we have seen CG-4, CH-4, CI-4 and now CJ-4 designations. That should be some clue that the 2007 engines have caused a huge disruption in the motor oil business. At the same time, the ULSD has lost the lubricity required for older Diesel engines. A B5 blend for Diesel fuel provides the lost lubricity, and at least 5% of it is made in the USA. To your many miles and many moons of HAPPY Dieseling! Dieselhead Coupla 240Ds 87 300D 87300SDL ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Unexplained whining noise in my W123 300TD
Hey wait a second, doesn't this mean I win the bet? Ahh, went back and checked, in reality I'd just threatened to laugh like a hyena. That was less than a month ago. Unfortunately this horrible chest cold I have precludes any serious laughter... -Curt Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 19:38:09 -0700 From: Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Unexplained whining noise in my W123 300TD Message-ID: CABHyH=yzjkfdonnzs_frnqvw1d3rx8c+xfeugdiwgzchfkz...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 3:47 PM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: The TURBOCHARGER! ?- It's completely shot! ?No fins left! Now do you believe those of us who were trying to tell you that the trap oxidizer on the '85 was a Bad Thing? These turbos rarely go bad, according to the tech. Exactly. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SD wanted in POS brown
The time has come when calling yourself a R or D has little meaning. Both are so full of corruption and are harming America. Both parties are guilty. Time to clean house. On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 8:40 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Walt Zarnoch wrote: R or D, they all seem to be out of touch with the general public. Scott Brown is no more R than John McCain. Which is a lot less R than JFK, but very, very R for modern day Massachusetts. Mitch. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT computer still shuts down
Weenies. Man up and get server grade fans. Go deaf like the rest of us! Dan (who sits next to a data center all day) Sent from my iPhone On Aug 16, 2011, at 12:06 PM, Scott and Gwen Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: In my experience, the higher wattage PS fans are noiser. If that makes a difference. I like quiet. -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Russ Williams Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 7:12 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT computer still shuts down Kaleb MSI makes some good Mobos. The AMD Phenom CPU is a good one also. The only thing I don't like about the system is the 400w PS. 500w is the least that I use when building a system for a client. That's my 2¢ worth. Russ W. On 8/15/2011 5:47 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: what about something like this? http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7 58127CatId=336 On 8/15/2011 5:36 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: speaking of all this, it has been a long time since I have looked at barebones systems etc. How do you know what to get as far as processor? They dont seem to refer to them in mhz or ghz anymore so I am not sure if what I am looking for is a fast processor or a slow one. Is AMD or Intel best these days? Last several I have done I have gone AMD. The rest of it I can figure out but I just dont have a clue how they are rating processors these days. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] S320 transmission needed
They mentioned that they had checked that [because it was listed in the links I provided] and said it was not leaking. I do appreciate that they are more than willing to accept suggestions. Bill R -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-bounces@okiebenz.c om] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 12:13 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] S320 transmission needed When they pull that cover to replace it I would bet the old one comes out in 2 pieces. I don't anything about resetting the computer with that method so I can't say if it really works or not. One other thing to check also is to see if the big electrical plug at the tranny is leaking. Most of the time that plug needs to be replaced. what happens is it leaks fluid into the wiring harness which can actually wick up and get into the tranny computer causing these sorts of problems Sent from my iPhone On Aug 16, 2011, at 9:54 AM, Bill Ringgold billr32...@comcast.net wrote: They tried the computer reset described below but had no success with it. The spring arrived yesterday late and they are installing it today. Bill R -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-bounces@okiebenz.c om] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 11:39 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] S320 transmission needed Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Ok so they replaced the plate, did they reset the computer? A regular obd tool won't cut it. Will this do it? From Benzworld: Have you tried the FREE method?? (ie. Resetting the Tranny Computer??) Turn key to position 2 Hold gas pedal to floor for 5 seconds Release and turn key to position 0 but DONT TAKE THE KEY OUT!! Wait a minimum of 2 minutes during this time DONT TOUCH ANYTHING, and Don't open the doors,etc... Now you're reset... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/li stinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/li stinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/li stinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Unexplained whining noise in my W123 300TD
Too bad you didn't take it to the stealer to get the trap oxidizer replaced. They may have thrown in the turbo too, if it was already bad. There was always a faint whine or moan that I attributed as coming from the transmission. The car had adequate power once the vacuum issues were sorted out. I drove the car for several trouble free weeks after that until the whining nosie escalated and the turbo disintegrated. I'll try to get them to give me a break on labor to install the new turbo assembly.. On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 9:27 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: I doubt it did anything real bad to the engine but its not a good thing for sure. The ONLY way for the impeller blades to be worn off like he is saying is for something to get sucked in. Only takes a second too. I am 99.9% sure what I said happened is what happened. Its easy to do if you are not paying attention when putting the air cleaner back on. In any case, the shop should be picking up the tab for a new turbo and install. On 8/16/2011 7:28 AM, Max Dillon wrote: Is that what would happen, assuming Kaleb's theory of the fat O-ring getting sucked in? Wow, time to start looking for a new engine already? Perhaps the shop that installed the engine will be so kind as to pick up the cost for purchase and install of the new engine? Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon '87 300TD 334k miles (Off with the head!) '95 E300 292k miles (daily driving duties) '73 Balboa 20 (High dry until the head is back on) Charleston SC __**__ From: MGtrainpain2...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tue, August 16, 2011 6:51:47 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Unexplained whining noise in my W123 300TD Didn't he say right from the start that the new engine didn't have as much power as the old one? I shudder to think of all those little pieces of metal going through the valves and cylinders. On second though I don't think I would buy this car. :-) Manfred Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 19:53:03 -0400 From: Max Dillonmeadedillon@bellsouth.**net meadedil...@bellsouth.net To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Unexplained whining noise in my W123 300TD Glad to hear the mystery is solved! Curious that you didn't notice any power loss. Max __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SD wanted in POS brown
It was lame, but not for the reason you cite. It was lame because the implication was that an MB would have floated longer. That was the LAST thing Teddy wanted. His objective was to eliminate the problem quickly by drowning. For that he needed a car that sinks like a rock. The truth will never be known, but he probably held her down until she drowned. That is so stale. Ted's gone, and a R occupies his place in the Senate (though hopefully not for long).. On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 10:31 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Ted Kennedy should have been driving a Benz then --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT computer still shuts down
Whaaat? Did you say something? Weenies. Man up and get server grade fans. Go deaf like the rest of us! Dan (who sits next to a data center all day) Sent from my iPhone On Aug 16, 2011, at 12:06 PM, Scott and Gwen Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: In my experience, the higher wattage PS fans are noiser. If that makes a difference. I like quiet. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SD wanted in POS brown
YEs I know he has been gone. I hear he has also been sober for quite some time now. --R (whose interactions with Teddy a coupla times were quite, uh, interesting) On 8/16/11 11:25 AM, andrew strasfogel wrote: That is so stale. Ted's gone, and a R occupies his place in the Senate (though hopefully not for long).. On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 10:31 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Ted Kennedy should have been driving a Benz then --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SD wanted in POS brown
Who was it that said the 2 party system would be the downfall of this country? Hmm, maybe we should have listened to Washington... Walt On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 12:32 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: The time has come when calling yourself a R or D has little meaning. Both are so full of corruption and are harming America. Both parties are guilty. Time to clean house. On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 8:40 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Walt Zarnoch wrote: R or D, they all seem to be out of touch with the general public. Scott Brown is no more R than John McCain. Which is a lot less R than JFK, but very, very R for modern day Massachusetts. Mitch. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT computer still shuts down
Scott and Gwen Ritchey wrote: In my experience, the higher wattage PS fans are noiser. If that makes a difference. I like quiet. I've got an OCZ P/S with a huge horizontal fan in my Compaq. (fan covers the bottom of the power supply, instead of occupying a fraction of the rear) I can hear the hard drives. More size gives you more airflow for the same noise, or less noise for the same airflow. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT computer still shuts down
OCZ = awesome. They've sadly discontinued the Rally series flash drives.. :( Walt On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 1:31 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Scott and Gwen Ritchey wrote: In my experience, the higher wattage PS fans are noiser. If that makes a difference. I like quiet. I've got an OCZ P/S with a huge horizontal fan in my Compaq. (fan covers the bottom of the power supply, instead of occupying a fraction of the rear) I can hear the hard drives. More size gives you more airflow for the same noise, or less noise for the same airflow. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SD wanted in POS brown
Dieselhead wrote: It was lame, but not for the reason you cite. It was lame because the implication was that an MB would have floated longer. That was the LAST thing Teddy wanted. His objective was to eliminate the problem quickly by drowning. For that he needed a car that sinks like a rock. The truth will never be known, but he probably held her down until she drowned. If he knew MJK was in the car. One analysis of the story concludes that MJK got tired of the orgy at the Kennedy cottage, and crawled into the back seat of the biggest car there to get some sleep. Then Ted and one of the other young ladies decided to leave for a private party, and Ted missed the turn onto the bridge. So, as far as Ted knows, his car and his sex object's purse are on the bottom of the pond. They walk back to the cottage, and Ted gets somebody else to take credit for the car in the pond, probably his driver or the girl who left her purse there when she swam out. Ted then hides in a hotel on the mainland to sleep it off. When MJK's body was found in the car, whoever was supposed to take credit for dunking the car was not willing to take credit for drowning Mary Jo, so Ted had to come up with a new story on the spot and stick to it for the rest of his life, no matter how unbelievable it might be. The part I like about this story is that it explains two things that neither the official version nor the commonly accepted version explain. What was Ted doing hiding in a hotel miles away, and what was some other girl's purse doing in the car while MJK's purse was in the cottage? To believe Ted's story, he and Mary Jo left the party early, taking the biggest car there, leaving the other eight people to drive back in a Valiant. Then, after losing both the car and MJK, he swam to the mainland to catch up on his sleep. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] A triplet of cheap 300SDs in Portland!
http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/cto/2548212505.html $1,111 for an '82 300SD, looks fine in the pics, 250K mi. Test drives on Wednesday after 5 pm. I might go just to watch the bidding war. http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/cto/2533558101.html Is it just me or do those wheels look like the wrong offset? Did any 116 or 107 come with 8-holes from the factory? I suppose they could be knockoffs... http://portland.craigslist.org/clc/cto/2540009828.html Somebody had fun with a few cans of white spray paint on this one. I think I saw this exact car being driven by the villains in an episode of Miami Vice. I wonder if 4th gear won't work just means I am unaware that these cars start in 2nd gear? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SD wanted in POS brown
One last thing about Ted and Mary Jo, the National Lampoon VW ad: http://www.flickr.com/photos/alexdroog70/2701038371/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SD wanted in POS brown
I like Warren Buffet's idea, would make a good constitutional amendment; if annual deficit exceeds 3% of GDP, all Senators and Congressman are exempt from running at the next election. Max -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: The time has come when calling yourself a R or D has little meaning. Both are so full of corruption and are harming America. Both parties are guilty. Time to clean house. On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 8:40 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Walt Zarnoch wrote: R or D, they all seem to be out of touch with the general public. Scott Brown is no more R than John McCain. Which is a lot less R than JFK, but very, very R for modern day Massachusetts. Mitch. _ **_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/; To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com; _ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A triplet of cheap 300SDs in Portland!
Alex Chamberlain wrote: http://portland.craigslist.org/clc/cto/2540009828.html Somebody had fun with a few cans of white spray paint on this one. I think I saw this exact car being driven by the villains in an episode of Miami Vice. I wonder if 4th gear won't work just means I am unaware that these cars start in 2nd gear? That 1985 SD doesn't have a hard plastic U in the intake like my 1979 SD or an early turbo 123. Is this what the air cleaner on Andrew's 1985 S123 looks like? http://i733.photobucket.com/albums/ww335/SergeyWild/IMAG0047.jpg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A triplet of cheap 300SDs in Portland!
On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 10:54 AM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: http://portland.craigslist.org/clc/cto/2540009828.html Whoops, I didn't notice the Lovecraft Biofuels logo on the thingy (veggie oil heater, presumably) at the lower right of the engine. Danger, Will Robinson! Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A triplet of cheap 300SDs in Portland!
Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 10:54 AM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: http://portland.craigslist.org/clc/cto/2540009828.html Whoops, I didn't notice the Lovecraft Biofuels logo on the thingy (veggie oil heater, presumably) at the lower right of the engine. Danger, Will Robinson! I almost asked what that thing with the big heart on it was. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Unexplained whining noise in my W123 300TD
The warranty was probably voided if the VIN didn't match up... On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 12:50 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Too bad you didn't take it to the stealer to get the trap oxidizer replaced. They may have thrown in the turbo too, if it was already bad. There was always a faint whine or moan that I attributed as coming from the transmission. The car had adequate power once the vacuum issues were sorted out. I drove the car for several trouble free weeks after that until the whining nosie escalated and the turbo disintegrated. I'll try to get them to give me a break on labor to install the new turbo assembly.. On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 9:27 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: I doubt it did anything real bad to the engine but its not a good thing for sure. The ONLY way for the impeller blades to be worn off like he is saying is for something to get sucked in. Only takes a second too. I am 99.9% sure what I said happened is what happened. Its easy to do if you are not paying attention when putting the air cleaner back on. In any case, the shop should be picking up the tab for a new turbo and install. On 8/16/2011 7:28 AM, Max Dillon wrote: Is that what would happen, assuming Kaleb's theory of the fat O-ring getting sucked in? Wow, time to start looking for a new engine already? Perhaps the shop that installed the engine will be so kind as to pick up the cost for purchase and install of the new engine? Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon '87 300TD 334k miles (Off with the head!) '95 E300 292k miles (daily driving duties) '73 Balboa 20 (High dry until the head is back on) Charleston SC ____ From: MGtrainpain2...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tue, August 16, 2011 6:51:47 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Unexplained whining noise in my W123 300TD Didn't he say right from the start that the new engine didn't have as much power as the old one? I shudder to think of all those little pieces of metal going through the valves and cylinders. On second though I don't think I would buy this car. :-) Manfred Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 19:53:03 -0400 From: Max Dillonmeadedillon@bellsouth.net meadedil...@bellsouth.net To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Unexplained whining noise in my W123 300TD Glad to hear the mystery is solved! Curious that you didn't notice any power loss. Max ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.**com/archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.**okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/**mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.**com/archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.**okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/**mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.**com/archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.**okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/**mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives
Re: [MBZ] 300SD wanted in POS brown
If you are a Buffet fan, then you must surely endores his idea of the super rich paying more taxes. On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.netwrote: I like Warren Buffet's idea, would make a good constitutional amendment; if annual deficit exceeds 3% of GDP, all Senators and Congressman are exempt from running at the next election. Max -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: The time has come when calling yourself a R or D has little meaning. Both are so full of corruption and are harming America. Both parties are guilty. Time to clean house. On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 8:40 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Walt Zarnoch wrote: R or D, they all seem to be out of touch with the general public. Scott Brown is no more R than John McCain. Which is a lot less R than JFK, but very, very R for modern day Massachusetts. Mitch. _ **_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/; To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com; _ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SD wanted in POS brown
that should be endorse. On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 3:14 PM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote: If you are a Buffet fan, then you must surely endores his idea of the super rich paying more taxes. On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.netwrote: I like Warren Buffet's idea, would make a good constitutional amendment; if annual deficit exceeds 3% of GDP, all Senators and Congressman are exempt from running at the next election. Max -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: The time has come when calling yourself a R or D has little meaning. Both are so full of corruption and are harming America. Both parties are guilty. Time to clean house. On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 8:40 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Walt Zarnoch wrote: R or D, they all seem to be out of touch with the general public. Scott Brown is no more R than John McCain. Which is a lot less R than JFK, but very, very R for modern day Massachusetts. Mitch. _ **_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/; To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com; _ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A triplet of cheap 300SDs in Portland!
That is what my CA version 1985 300TD version looks like! Where are the U seals?? On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 2:01 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Alex Chamberlain wrote: http://portland.craigslist.**org/clc/cto/2540009828.htmlhttp://portland.craigslist.org/clc/cto/2540009828.html Somebody had fun with a few cans of white spray paint on this one. I think I saw this exact car being driven by the villains in an episode of Miami Vice. I wonder if 4th gear won't work just means I am unaware that these cars start in 2nd gear? That 1985 SD doesn't have a hard plastic U in the intake like my 1979 SD or an early turbo 123. Is this what the air cleaner on Andrew's 1985 S123 looks like? http://i733.photobucket.com/**albums/ww335/SergeyWild/**IMAG0047.jpghttp://i733.photobucket.com/albums/ww335/SergeyWild/IMAG0047.jpg __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A triplet of cheap 300SDs in Portland!
On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 12:01 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Alex Chamberlain wrote: Whoops, I didn't notice the Lovecraft Biofuels logo on the thingy (veggie oil heater, presumably) at the lower right of the engine. Danger, Will Robinson! I almost asked what that thing with the big heart on it was. The infamous Lovecraft company opened a veggie oil conversion shop in a hip neighborhood in Portland during the last biofuels boom, around 2005. I used to pass it every day on my way to work. There were always a half-dozen interesting cars in front---not just Mercedes but '80s Japanese diesel pickups, pre-TDI VWs, once a Scout IIRC. The shop is closed now. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A triplet of cheap 300SDs in Portland!
andrew strasfogel wrote: That is what my CA version 1985 300TD version looks like! Where are the U seals?? The earlier cars had the air cleaner on top of the turbo (which was not sitting on top of a trap oxidizer). There was a hard plastic U, sort of like a big sink trap, that looped from the air cleaner outlet to the turbo compressor inlet. Each end of the U had a thick rubber seal in the end where it plugged onto the filter box or the turbo. Apparently the 1985 is a lot different. That 300SD looks to have a rubber flex hose with hose clamps at each end. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Unexplained whining noise in my W123 300TD
Mitch Haley wrote: andrew strasfogel wrote: There was always a faint whine or moan that I attributed as coming from the transmission. The car had adequate power once the vacuum issues were sorted out. I drove the car for several trouble free weeks after that until the whining nosie escalated and the turbo disintegrated. I'll try to get them to give me a break on labor to install the new turbo assembly.. If there's a u-tube seal missing, they should give you something... If the seals are on both ends of the u-tube, very hard to blame them unless you find a wrench with their initials on it in the turbo. I wonder which vanes are missing? Compressor or turbine? If just turbine - trap oxidizer? And I would have no further worries with the trap oxidizer removed. But if also the compressor, then I would sure want a check of the valves and pistons. Vane chunks are rough on other parts. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SD wanted in POS brown
Mitch, Your story sounds like something Hollywood would develop for a movie. I love it when people try to protect the Kennedy's, as though they can't afford their own protection. I loved the truncated article headlines on AOL a few years back, Ted Kennedy has Malignant Brain To which I said, I've known that for decades. If you liked him, that's up to you, but when he finally died, I opened a beer and celebrated. To me, he was a cowardly, evil person. I think his drinking allowed him to live with himself. Just my opinion since we are all giving opinions instead of talking about that awful POS Brown MB paint color. Best Wishes, Roger Hale Monroe, Ga. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SD wanted in POS brown
roger...@comcast.net wrote: Mitch, Your story sounds like something Hollywood would develop for a movie. Here's the whole thing, have at it. http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1958212/mary_jo_kopechne_died_40_years_ago.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT computer still shuts down
Scott and Gwen Ritchey wrote: In my experience, the higher wattage PS fans are noiser. If that makes a difference. I like quiet. Mitch Haley wrote: I've got an OCZ P/S with a huge horizontal fan in my Compaq. (fan covers the bottom of the power supply, instead of occupying a fraction of the rear) I can hear the hard drives. More size gives you more airflow for the same noise, or less noise for the same airflow. Yup. And the Corsair CX430 V2 is the same style. Most of those also scale the fan speed to the temperature so when it's not working hard, it's very quiet. I really like the power supply reviews at http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/ They actually load test! And tear it down to see how it's built. It was from them I decided on the Corsair as my current best-choice power supply. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SD wanted in POS brown
Mitch Haley wrote: roger...@comcast.net wrote: Mitch, Your story sounds like something Hollywood would develop for a movie. Here's the whole thing, have at it. http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1958212/mary_jo_kopechne_died_40_years_ago.html Oops, that wasn't the version I was thinking of, but similar. Ted Kennedy taking the hit to preserve a married floozy's reputation? Nope, I don't buy that, and it doesn't explain the unmarried woman's purse in the car. There were ten people spending the weekend at the Kennedy cottage, four married men, one Kennedy servant, and five single women. Here's the one I meant to link: http://www.capecodtoday.com/blogs/index.php/2009/07/19/the-day-mary-jo-kopeclne-died?blog=226 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A triplet of cheap 300SDs in Portland!
So should I disregard the allegation that the shop could have damaged the turbo during the engine swap? On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: andrew strasfogel wrote: That is what my CA version 1985 300TD version looks like! Where are the U seals?? The earlier cars had the air cleaner on top of the turbo (which was not sitting on top of a trap oxidizer). There was a hard plastic U, sort of like a big sink trap, that looped from the air cleaner outlet to the turbo compressor inlet. Each end of the U had a thick rubber seal in the end where it plugged onto the filter box or the turbo. Apparently the 1985 is a lot different. That 300SD looks to have a rubber flex hose with hose clamps at each end. Mitch. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - gmail keyboard arrow keys
Mountain Man wrote: I like your idea running 2k in VM - may need to have my son do that install for me. I would hope it could run AutoCAD 2k. My current other boot - corrupt or somesuch - is not bootable, or inaccessible, so the VM install sounds nice. I'm running Bricscad, an AutoCAD alternative, in a VirtualBox WinXP guest. It works well enough for me. I switch to using a virtual machine when my dual boot XP developed a bizarre boot problem. I had been fiddling with the guest OS concept for a while and used that as the kick I needed to actually do it. VirtualBox does seem to do much better with generous amounts of RAM, so don't skimp. 2k installs of most sw seems essentially as far as most need. Later jazz seems just so much marketing of worthless computer frilly junk. There is a number of software title I have to use that require a minimum of XP now. So I run XP as a guest when I must use them. MUCH better experience overall than dual boot. Partly because I don't have to have a fully usable (for me) environment in MS Win. I still have the host Linux for all tasks except running those lousy MS Win only programs. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A triplet of cheap 300SDs in Portland!
Didn't know that an '85 300sD started in 2nd? My '83 started in 1st. Is this another difference in the '85 tranny? Kevin in Hillsboro, Oregon ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A triplet of cheap 300SDs in Portland!
On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 2:51 PM, kevin kraly kr...@comcast.net wrote: Didn't know that an '85 300sD started in 2nd? My '83 started in 1st. Is this another difference in the '85 tranny? Maybe, but it's more likely that I don't know what I'm talking about. My only experience with W126s is with the early gas V-8s, all of which started in 2nd---I assumed the diesels did too. Don't 123 turbodiesels start in 2nd? And 124s except for the 2.5? Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A triplet of cheap 300SDs in Portland!
Both of my 124s start in first; ' 87 300td and ' 95 E300. Max -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 2:51 PM, kevin kraly kr...@comcast.net wrote: Didn't know that an '85 300sD started in 2nd? My '83 started in 1st. Is this another difference in the '85 tranny? Maybe, but it's more likely that I don't know what I'm talking about. My only experience with W126s is with the early gas V-8s, all of which started in 2nd---I assumed the diesels did too. Don't 123 turbodiesels start in 2nd? And 124s except for the 2.5? Alex _ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Unexplained whining noise in my W123 300TD
oh its got the funky air cleaner? Its a different arrangement then so I cant say for sure it was one of the 0 ring deals. I think those have the air tube to the air cleaner more similar to a 603 than the old u pipe on any other 617. Something got sucked in though. On 8/16/2011 11:20 AM, andrew strasfogel wrote: This is a CA version engine. What/where are the U tube seals? On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 12:16 PM, Kaleb C. Striplinka...@striplin.netwrote: I can just about guarantee one of them will be missing and most likely the one at the air cleaner end Sent from my iPhone On Aug 16, 2011, at 10:41 AM, Mitch Haleym...@voyager.net wrote: andrew strasfogel wrote: There was always a faint whine or moan that I attributed as coming from the transmission. The car had adequate power once the vacuum issues were sorted out. I drove the car for several trouble free weeks after that until the whining nosie escalated and the turbo disintegrated. I'll try to get them to give me a break on labor to install the new turbo assembly.. If there's a u-tube seal missing, they should give you something... If the seals are on both ends of the u-tube, very hard to blame them unless you find a wrench with their initials on it in the turbo. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A triplet of cheap 300SDs in Portland!
No, not really. Something got sucked in, period, there is no way around it. Since yours is the CA version it was not one of the o rings but something got sucked in. On 8/16/2011 4:27 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote: So should I disregard the allegation that the shop could have damaged the turbo during the engine swap? On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Mitch Haleym...@voyager.net wrote: andrew strasfogel wrote: That is what my CA version 1985 300TD version looks like! Where are the U seals?? The earlier cars had the air cleaner on top of the turbo (which was not sitting on top of a trap oxidizer). There was a hard plastic U, sort of like a big sink trap, that looped from the air cleaner outlet to the turbo compressor inlet. Each end of the U had a thick rubber seal in the end where it plugged onto the filter box or the turbo. Apparently the 1985 is a lot different. That 300SD looks to have a rubber flex hose with hose clamps at each end. Mitch. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A triplet of cheap 300SDs in Portland!
They are supposed to start in 1st. If it starts in 2nd something is wrong. On 8/16/2011 4:51 PM, kevin kraly wrote: Didn't know that an '85 300sD started in 2nd? My '83 started in 1st. Is this another difference in the '85 tranny? Kevin in Hillsboro, Oregon ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A triplet of cheap 300SDs in Portland!
On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 3:33 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Both of my 124s start in first; ' 87 300td and ' 95 E300. Sure about the '87? Mine definitely starts in 2nd. There is a HUGE difference in acceleration from a stop if I force it into 1st by flooring it or doing the 2-3-2 trick. Works nicely to surprise teenagers in souped-up Civics. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A triplet of cheap 300SDs in Portland!
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: No, not really. Something got sucked in, period, there is no way around it. Since yours is the CA version it was not one of the o rings but something got sucked in. Gotta clean out those mouse nests before you fire it up. Actually, I wasn't entirely joking about the possibility of there being a tool in there earlier. Sometimes people drop sockets, fasteners, etc, and don't know where they landed until it's too late. But, if the turbo was separated from an air cleaner for an extended period, who/when let the foreign object in? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SD wanted in POS brown
Mitch, I like this lady's story of what happened. It's sorta like was there a shooter on the grassy knoll in Dallas. It's easy to make a story with the facts as you want them to be. Did Officer Look really run Kennedy's car off the road causing the accident? How did officer Look see into the back seat of a car backing up with both backup lights and taillights on shining into his face? And it goes on and on. I like the TV series Castle, but I don't think those writers could come up with good of a story. Why Mary feels the need to protect a Kennedy after so many years is a puzzle in itself. Maybe she knows more than the story tells. How could Mary Jo stay asleep in the back seat after it ran off the road per Officer Look and being bounced around...unless she was already dead and the attempted coverup was afoot. Women at these types of parties sometimes die from various causes, and leaving her in the water so long could help to wash away evidence. I don't buy this story any more than I bought Ted's at the time. But it does make for interesting reading. And Joan was really supportive of Ted in his presidential run. Remember she came back to him with the possibility of being the First Lady and as soon as Ted was out of the running, Joan was gone. I think Joan knew Ted better than we do. Best Wishes, Roger Hale Monroe, Ga. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] A request
Could these OT political topics please have an OT subject line? I am interested in 300SD's not Ted Kennedy. Thanks much Dwight Dwight Giles Jr. 1982 300CD 220K miles 1990 300D 2.5t 196K miles Wickford RI -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of roger...@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 7:12 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300SD wanted in POS brown Mitch, I like this lady's story of what happened. It's sorta like was there a shooter on the grassy knoll in Dallas. It's easy to make a story with the facts as you want them to be. Did Officer Look really run Kennedy's car off the road causing the accident? How did officer Look see into the back seat of a car backing up with both backup lights and taillights on shining into his face? And it goes on and on. I like the TV series Castle, but I don't think those writers could come up with good of a story. Why Mary feels the need to protect a Kennedy after so many years is a puzzle in itself. Maybe she knows more than the story tells. How could Mary Jo stay asleep in the back seat after it ran off the road per Officer Look and being bounced around...unless she was already dead and the attempted coverup was afoot. Women at these types of parties sometimes die from various causes, and leaving her in the water so long could help to wash away evidence. I don't buy this story any more than I bought Ted's at the time. But it does make for interesting reading. And Joan was really supportive of Ted in his presidential run. Remember she came back to him with the possibility of being the First Lady and as soon as Ted was out of the running, Joan was gone. I think Joan knew Ted better than we do. Best Wishes, Roger Hale Monroe, Ga. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 220D riding a bit low in the back?
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Re: [MBZ] A request
Dwight Giles Jr. wrote: Could these OT political topics please have an OT subject line? I am interested in 300SD's not Ted Kennedy. On behalf of Roger and myself, I would like to apologize. I think it was already over by the time you complained anyway. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A triplet of cheap 300SDs in Portland!
Yes, I'm quite sure. After two fills of M1 ATF, it shifts very nicely. Stu Ritter's Bible says that only some of the 124 gas cars started in 2nd, if you can believe him. Max -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 3:33 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Both of my 124s start in first; ' 87 300td and ' 95 E300. Sure about the '87? Mine definitely starts in 2nd. There is a HUGE difference in acceleration from a stop if I force it into 1st by flooring it or doing the 2-3-2 trick. Works nicely to surprise teenagers in souped-up Civics. Alex _ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A request
Thanks Mitch, I accept. I should also say I thought the initial post in the thread was funny and appropriate-'what if he had been driving a Mercedes?'. That reminds me of the old days on this and predecessor lists when posters would go out of their way to note MB content in borderline OT posts. Those were creative and often funny . Dwight-who uses his 300CD to haul clams for the NE MB ChowdahQ Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net Sender: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 20:13:31 To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] A request Dwight Giles Jr. wrote: Could these OT political topics please have an OT subject line? I am interested in 300SD's not Ted Kennedy. On behalf of Roger and myself, I would like to apologize. I think it was already over by the time you complained anyway. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D riding a bit low in the back?
Yep, because some misguided soul replaced the SLS struts with shocks, if you believe the seller. I've never heard of a 114 or 115 with SLS. Max -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: http://saginaw.craigslist.org/cto/2549897404.html _ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D riding a bit low in the back?
I never knew that 115's had SLS. Dwight Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net Sender: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 20:11:47 To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] 220D riding a bit low in the back? http://saginaw.craigslist.org/cto/2549897404.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D riding a bit low in the back?
They did, in europe. Heres one that had it: http://images.jaimekop.com/2002_11_19_220D/index.html I almost bought this car... it was a bit too rough mechanically for the price, and I needed something to drive without much work. A few days later, i bought this: http://images.jaimekop.com/2002_12_22_Waxed_240D/ Jaime On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 8:59 PM, degco...@cox.net wrote: I never knew that 115's had SLS. Dwight Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net Sender: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 20:11:47 To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] 220D riding a bit low in the back? http://saginaw.craigslist.org/cto/2549897404.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D riding a bit low in the back?
SLS was quite common on taxis, and was available on the diesel models as a result. Not many in the US, but I do know of an example or two. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A OT request
Life is full of little annoyances (and some big ones), one being the message at the end advertising where the message was sent from. I know it is probably some sort of default thing but is still advertising. Hendrik Not sent from any sort of fancy wireless phone degco...@cox.net wrote: Thanks Mitch, I accept. I should also say I thought the initial post in the thread was funny and appropriate-'what if he had been driving a Mercedes?'. That reminds me of the old days on this and predecessor lists when posters would go out of their way to note MB content in borderline OT posts. Those were creative and often funny . Dwight-who uses his 300CD to haul clams for the NE MB ChowdahQ Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OM617 300SD, nearly read for first start-up
So, balancer disc is installed, and vibration damper and pullys back in place. In the process of installing new belts I ran out of daylight. I am anticipating being ready to try to start the engine tomorrow. This will be the first time the engine has been running in probably a year or more. I have all new filters, will obviously install new air filter but should I change oil and fuel filters before or after starting, or does it really matter? I do plan to change the oil but was thinking to warm it up a bit to get a better drain. Coolant is evil green stuff but at least it looks reasonably clean and fresh. That'll be coming out as well. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D riding a bit low in the back?
Ok that makes sense. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net Sender: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 20:13:37 To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 220D riding a bit low in the back? SLS was quite common on taxis, and was available on the diesel models as a result. Not many in the US, but I do know of an example or two. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D riding a bit low in the back?
Interesting-seems odd on a smaller MB- usually think of wagons and top line 126's. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com Sender: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 21:09:37 To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 220D riding a bit low in the back? They did, in europe. Heres one that had it: http://images.jaimekop.com/2002_11_19_220D/index.html I almost bought this car... it was a bit too rough mechanically for the price, and I needed something to drive without much work. A few days later, i bought this: http://images.jaimekop.com/2002_12_22_Waxed_240D/ Jaime On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 8:59 PM, degco...@cox.net wrote: I never knew that 115's had SLS. Dwight Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net Sender: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 20:11:47 To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] 220D riding a bit low in the back? http://saginaw.craigslist.org/cto/2549897404.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM617 300SD, nearly read for first start-up
I'd go ahead and see if it starts. It will be difficult to get it going with a filter change, you can wait until it's hot. Diesel fuel doesn't go bad like gasoline does, so the fuel is fine. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A triplet of cheap 300SDs in Portland which may take off in 2nd!
All the auto Mercs I have had or dealt with, take off in 2nd, from memory mao's 240D took off in 2nd but then again my memory isahmmnh.well I forgot what I was going to say, what was the topic of discussion again? However this is not to say that some take off in 1st but as far as I recall 1st gear is supposed to be used when driving up steep grades or pulling a trailer. According to the owners manual for the petrol 124's, they should start in 2nd under moderate acceleration, when the gear selector is in 3 or D. As a side note, cars that have a S (standard) or E (economy) selector switch (very rare on Oz Benzes), they will always take off in 2nd if E is selected. Basically the Economy/Standard switch varies the length of the control cable going to the gear box. Which I think is one of those things that is a waste of time, as you get the same effect with how much pressure you put on the accelerator pedal. Guess it's one of those ahh look other car makers have an economy switch, we better have one too situations. Hendrik who selects 1st when on a hill Max Dillon wrote: Yes, I'm quite sure. After two fills of M1 ATF, it shifts very nicely. Stu Ritter's Bible says that only some of the 124 gas cars started in 2nd, if you can believe him. Max ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A OT request
Do you mean this? For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com John On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 6:13 PM, Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au wrote: Life is full of little annoyances (and some big ones), one being the message at the end advertising where the message was sent from. I know it is probably some sort of default thing but is still advertising. Hendrik Not sent from any sort of fancy wireless phone degco...@cox.net wrote: Thanks Mitch, I accept. I should also say I thought the initial post in the thread was funny and appropriate-'what if he had been driving a Mercedes?'. That reminds me of the old days on this and predecessor lists when posters would go out of their way to note MB content in borderline OT posts. Those were creative and often funny . Dwight-who uses his 300CD to haul clams for the NE MB ChowdahQ Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 603 filter change, cranking forever
On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 7:05 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: As for Alex, 1. crack the inj. lines at the injectors. 2. crack the return banjo fitting at the filter, or slip off the small line form the nozzles. 3. crank until you get fuel at the return line. 4. close the return lines 5. crank until you get fuel at the nozzles. 6. when you get fuel at the injectors, close the lines. 7. Crank it again. If you don't get fuel at step 3, then search for air leaks in the fuel lines. It is usually deteriorated rubber hose, but can be rust too. Well, I have followed steps 1-7 three times. Each time I get fuel at steps 3 and 6. Each time I've cranked the car until the battery ran down three or four times, putting it on the charger overnight between tries. Still no start. It will sound like three or four cylinders are firing irregularly, but never quite enough to turn under its own power. The battery is fresh and I can hear that it's turning plenty fast enough when first cranked. So that makes a total of about a dozen serious attempts at starting since changing the filters. At this point I feel like I'm just killing the starter. I don't see any sign of leaky lines. How would I test for air leaks too small to see easily? I thought of the glow plugs, but they are only a few years old (replaced when the #16 head blew). Resistance at the GP relay connector is 0.5 ohm between the terminal and ground for all six terminals. I don't have a VOM with a wide enough DC amp range to test the current draw, but I know that at least some current is being pulled by the fact that the interior lights dim and the pitch of the key-in buzzer goes lower when the key is in glow position (and the idiot light comes on steady). Help! I am about ready to push this car off a cliff (if I could get it started to drive it close enough). Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - gmail keyboard arrow keys
Walt wrote: Ok, glad to know it's not just my account that's doing it. Started ~ a week ago... I was pointed to some google tech links that indicate this is a known problem in gmail these days. Lotsa people pointing to the need for arrow keys to navigate in a laptop environ. So, perhaps google fix is on its way? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 603 filter change, cranking forever
Disable the glow system and give her some WD-40 into the intake. Safer than ether, should still get her running. At least it works with a 617. Walt On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 7:12 PM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 7:05 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: As for Alex, 1. crack the inj. lines at the injectors. 2. crack the return banjo fitting at the filter, or slip off the small line form the nozzles. 3. crank until you get fuel at the return line. 4. close the return lines 5. crank until you get fuel at the nozzles. 6. when you get fuel at the injectors, close the lines. 7. Crank it again. If you don't get fuel at step 3, then search for air leaks in the fuel lines. It is usually deteriorated rubber hose, but can be rust too. Well, I have followed steps 1-7 three times. Each time I get fuel at steps 3 and 6. Each time I've cranked the car until the battery ran down three or four times, putting it on the charger overnight between tries. Still no start. It will sound like three or four cylinders are firing irregularly, but never quite enough to turn under its own power. The battery is fresh and I can hear that it's turning plenty fast enough when first cranked. So that makes a total of about a dozen serious attempts at starting since changing the filters. At this point I feel like I'm just killing the starter. I don't see any sign of leaky lines. How would I test for air leaks too small to see easily? I thought of the glow plugs, but they are only a few years old (replaced when the #16 head blew). Resistance at the GP relay connector is 0.5 ohm between the terminal and ground for all six terminals. I don't have a VOM with a wide enough DC amp range to test the current draw, but I know that at least some current is being pulled by the fact that the interior lights dim and the pitch of the key-in buzzer goes lower when the key is in glow position (and the idiot light comes on steady). Help! I am about ready to push this car off a cliff (if I could get it started to drive it close enough). Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - gmail keyboard arrow keys
Philip wrote: MUCH better experience overall than dual boot. Very nice recommendation - thanks. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A triplet of cheap 300SDs in Portland which may take off in 2nd!
Hendrik wrote: All the auto Mercs I have had or dealt with, take off in 2nd, from memory mao's 240D took off in 2nd but then again my memory isahmmnh.well I forgot what I was going to say, what was the topic of discussion again? Take another draught of that good oz wine - it starts in first. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A OT request
Life is full of little annoyances (and some big ones), one being the message at the end advertising where the message was sent from. I know it is probably some sort of default thing but is still advertising. Do you mean this? For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com No, this. Sent from my iPhone Which is the default signature for email from an iPhone. I added my first name to the sig just because. It is probably supposed to be a status symbol of sorts, much like the Mercedes Tri-star is considered a bit of a status symbol. Rick Sent from my iPhone Which is a tool, not a status symbol ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A OT request
On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 7:31 PM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: No, this. Sent from my iPhone ... It is probably supposed to be a status symbol of sorts, Or a preemptive apology. See http://damnyouautocorrect.com/ (warning, not for the easily offended) Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 603 filter change, cranking forever
Make sure the glow plugs are working. Glow again when it starts to sputter. Typically it will run on a few cylinders, stopping if you let off the starter, then gradually hit more and more and eventually run by itself. You won't overheat the starter if it's firing on a couple cylinders, it's not working very hard. Is there white smoke rolling out the exhaust? Should be if there is fuel delivery. You can try bypassing the fuel preheater -- switch the suction line directly to the lift pump. Replace the hoses if not new. You can also check for air leaks by removing the return line from the steel line and putting it in a can partially filled with fuel and have someone crank the engine -- if you get lots of bubbles, you have an air leak on the suction side. You may have a weak starter. They usually croak on a 603 by locking up solid, but it could be cranking slow. Minimum is 100 rprn, you should have better than that. Won't start otherwise, and you can crank til the end of time with a slow starter and nothing will happen. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A OT request
I think you're suffering from FOMO: Feeling Of Missing Out. Fay should get you an Android or Iphone before you become unbearable. ;) Max -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au wrote: Life is full of little annoyances (and some big ones), one being the message at the end advertising where the message was sent from. I know it is probably some sort of default thing but is still advertising. Hendrik Not sent from any sort of fancy wireless phone degco...@cox.net wrote: Thanks Mitch, I accept. I should also say I thought the initial post in the thread was funny and appropriate-'what if he had been driving a Mercedes?'. That reminds me of the old days on this and predecessor lists when posters would go out of their way to note MB content in borderline OT posts. Those were creative and often funny . Dwight-who uses his 300CD to haul clams for the NE MB ChowdahQ Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry _ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM617 300SD, nearly read for first start-up
I say warm it up then change oil and filter, leave fuel filters alone for now. Max -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: So, balancer disc is installed, and vibration damper and pullys back in place. In the process of installing new belts I ran out of daylight. I am anticipating being ready to try to start the engine tomorrow. This will be the first time the engine has been running in probably a year or more. I have all new filters, will obviously install new air filter but should I change oil and fuel filters before or after starting, or does it really matter? I do plan to change the oil but was thinking to warm it up a bit to get a better drain. Coolant is evil green stuff but at least it looks reasonably clean and fresh. That'll be coming out as well. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD _ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 603 filter change, cranking forever
Have you tried this start process with diesel purge from just under the hood? nbsp; Are you in a situation where you can pull start it? nbsp;If it won't pull start, then fuel blockage/leakage is the problem. All a diesel needs is fuel and air to run...wait, have you checked to make sure nothing made a nest in your air intake? Luther On Aug 16, 2011 9:12 PM, Alex Chamberlain lt;apchamberl...@gmail.comgt; wrote: On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 7:05 PM, Dieselhead lt;126die...@gmail.comgt; wrote: gt; As for Alex, gt; 1. crack the inj. lines at the injectors. gt; 2. nbsp;crack the return banjo fitting at the filter, or slip off the small line gt; form the nozzles. gt; 3. crank until you get fuel at the return line. gt; 4. close the return lines gt; 5. crank until you get fuel at the nozzles. gt; 6. nbsp;when you get fuel at the injectors, close the lines. gt; 7. nbsp;Crank it again. gt; gt; If you don't get fuel at step 3, then search for air leaks in the fuel gt; lines. nbsp;It is usually deteriorated rubber hose, but can be rust too. Well, I have followed steps 1-7 three times. Each time I get fuel at steps 3 and 6. Each time I've cranked the car until the battery ran down three or four times, putting it on the charger overnight between tries. Still no start. It will sound like three or four cylinders are firing irregularly, but never quite enough to turn under its own power. The battery is fresh and I can hear that it's turning plenty fast enough when first cranked. So that makes a total of about a dozen serious attempts at starting since changing the filters. At this point I feel like I'm just killing the starter. I don't see any sign of leaky lines. How would I test for air leaks too small to see easily? I thought of the glow plugs, but they are only a few years old (replaced when the #16 head blew). Resistance at the GP relay connector is 0.5 ohm between the terminal and ground for all six terminals. I don't have a VOM with a wide enough DC amp range to test the current draw, but I know that at least some current is being pulled by the fact that the interior lights dim and the pitch of the key-in buzzer goes lower when the key is in glow position (and the idiot light comes on steady). Help! I am about ready to push this car off a cliff (if I could get it started to drive it close enough). Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 603 filter change, cranking forever
I second the check on cranking RPM, my 617 gets stage anxiety whenever the battery dips below full charge. Might be that the battery is jst old enough that it can't get the starter enough juice to do a good start when there's some entrained air in the system. Walt, who's been there, seen that, changed battery and had the problem go away on a 617 NA On Aug 16, 2011 10:52 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote: Make sure the glow plugs are working. Glow again when it starts to sputter. Typically it will run on a few cylinders, stopping if you let off the starter, then gradually hit more and more and eventually run by itself. You won't overheat the starter if it's firing on a couple cylinders, it's not working very hard. Is there white smoke rolling out the exhaust? Should be if there is fuel delivery. You can try bypassing the fuel preheater -- switch the suction line directly to the lift pump. Replace the hoses if not new. You can also check for air leaks by removing the return line from the steel line and putting it in a can partially filled with fuel and have someone crank the engine -- if you get lots of bubbles, you have an air leak on the suction side. You may have a weak starter. They usually croak on a 603 by locking up solid, but it could be cranking slow. Minimum is 100 rprn, you should have better than that. Won't start otherwise, and you can crank til the end of time with a slow starter and nothing will happen. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A OT request
Wow, THAT is funny! Laughed so hard I woke up SWMBO... Max -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 7:31 PM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: No, this. Sent from my iPhone ... It is probably supposed to be a status symbol of sorts, Or a preemptive apology. See http://damnyouautocorrect.com/ (warning, not for the easily offended) Alex _ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A OT request
It's all the corporate crap. Sent from my dual overhead cam turbo-twin-charged ubermophone sponsored today by McGreedCorp, the forefront on corporate marketing liscence with a flair for the tecnologocical bull excrement extrordinare. I just like to use regular gmail myself. Walt On Aug 17, 2011 12:14 AM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Wow, THAT is funny! Laughed so hard I woke up SWMBO... Max -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 7:31 PM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: No, this. Sent from my iPhone ... It is probably supposed to be a status symbol of sorts, Or a preemptive apology. See http://damnyouautocorrect.com/ (warning, not for the easily offended) Alex _ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SD wanted in POS brown
That was genius. It looks just like a real DDB Volkswagon ad. One last thing about Ted and Mary Jo, the National Lampoon VW ad: http://www.flickr.com/photos/alexdroog70/2701038371/ ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 603 filter change, cranking forever
How did you get to this point? I forget the back story. Are you flooring the accelerator while cranking? You've got fuel, now there's air and heat. I agree with checking for clear air intake, don't forget exhaust is the second half of the breathing. I think a pull start may be in order. Max -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 7:05 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: As for Alex, 1. crack the inj. lines at the injectors. 2. crack the return banjo fitting at the filter, or slip off the small line form the nozzles. 3. crank until you get fuel at the return line. 4. close the return lines 5. crank until you get fuel at the nozzles. 6. when you get fuel at the injectors, close the lines. 7. Crank it again. If you don't get fuel at step 3, then search for air leaks in the fuel lines. It is usually deteriorated rubber hose, but can be rust too. Well, I have followed steps 1-7 three times. Each time I get fuel at steps 3 and 6. Each time I've cranked the car until the battery ran down three or four times, putting it on the charger overnight between tries. Still no start. It will sound like three or four cylinders are firing irregularly, but never quite enough to turn under its own power. The battery is fresh and I can hear that it's turning plenty fast enough when first cranked. So that makes a total of about a dozen serious attempts at starting since changing the filters. At this point I feel like I'm just killing the starter. I don't see any sign of leaky lines. How would I test for air leaks too small to see easily? I thought of the glow plugs, but they are only a few years old (replaced when the #16 head blew). Resistance at the GP relay connector is 0.5 ohm between the terminal and ground for all six terminals. I don't have a VOM with a wide enough DC amp range to test the current draw, but I know that at least some current is being pulled by the fact that the interior lights dim and the pitch of the key-in buzzer goes lower when the key is in glow position (and the idiot light comes on steady). Help! I am about ready to push this car off a cliff (if I could get it started to drive it close enough). Alex _ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 603 filter change, cranking forever
A pull start is more dangerous (to the car) than having the battery tested at the FLAPS. When in doubt, put the charger on the boost setting, wait 1 to 2 minutes, then start cranking. It's worked for me every time. Walt On Aug 17, 2011 12:26 AM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: How did you get to this point? I forget the back story. Are you flooring the accelerator while cranking? You've got fuel, now there's air and heat. I agree with checking for clear air intake, don't forget exhaust is the second half of the breathing. I think a pull start may be in order. Max -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 7:05 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: As for Alex, 1. crack the inj. lines at the injectors. 2. crack the return banjo fitting at the filter, or slip off the small line form the nozzles. 3. crank until you get fuel at the return line. 4. close the return lines 5. crank until you get fuel at the nozzles. 6. when you get fuel at the injectors, close the lines. 7. Crank it again. If you don't get fuel at step 3, then search for air leaks in the fuel lines. It is usually deteriorated rubber hose, but can be rust too. Well, I have followed steps 1-7 three times. Each time I get fuel at steps 3 and 6. Each time I've cranked the car until the battery ran down three or four times, putting it on the charger overnight between tries. Still no start. It will sound like three or four cylinders are firing irregularly, but never quite enough to turn under its own power. The battery is fresh and I can hear that it's turning plenty fast enough when first cranked. So that makes a total of about a dozen serious attempts at starting since changing the filters. At this point I feel like I'm just killing the starter. I don't see any sign of leaky lines. How would I test for air leaks too small to see easily? I thought of the glow plugs, but they are only a few years old (replaced when the #16 head blew). Resistance at the GP relay connector is 0.5 ohm between the terminal and ground for all six terminals. I don't have a VOM with a wide enough DC amp range to test the current draw, but I know that at least some current is being pulled by the fact that the interior lights dim and the pitch of the key-in buzzer goes lower when the key is in glow position (and the idiot light comes on steady). Help! I am about ready to push this car off a cliff (if I could get it started to drive it close enough). Alex _ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SD wanted in POS brown
I'd go a little further. If the budget isn't balanced, incumbents are prohibited from running, lose any benefits, and forfeit their pay. I like Warren Buffet's idea, would make a good constitutional amendment; if annual deficit exceeds 3% of GDP, all Senators and Congressman are exempt from running at the next election. Max -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: The time has come when calling yourself a R or D has little meaning. Both are so full of corruption and are harming America. Both parties are guilty. Time to clean house. On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 8:40 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Walt Zarnoch wrote: R or D, they all seem to be out of touch with the general public. Scott Brown is no more R than John McCain. Which is a lot less R than JFK, but very, very R for modern day Massachusetts. Mitch. _ **_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/; To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com; _ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT Politics
No, I don't think that class warfare is the way out of this mess, and I think taxing (penalizing) the most productive members of society to redistribute their wealth is a sure way to prolong it (and morally wrong as well). If Warren voluntarily put his money where his mouth is, stroked a check to our Treasury for few hundred million, I'd be impressed but I still would not agree. As I see it, liberals have tried a variation of tax and spend by spending first and putting off the tax part as long as possible. Now that chicken has come home to roost. Tea Party wants to behead, pluck and eat that chicken (and eat all its eggs to make sure no more chickens are coming later on), and I trend to agree. I'm sure your shocked to hear those words from me... Max -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: If you are a Buffet fan, then you must surely endores his idea of the super rich paying more taxes. On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.netwrote: I like Warren Buffet's idea, would make a good constitutional amendment; if annual deficit exceeds 3% of GDP, all Senators and Congressman are exempt from running at the next election. Max -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: The time has come when calling yourself a R or D has little meaning. Both are so full of corruption and are harming America. Both parties are guilty. Time to clean house. On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 8:40 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Walt Zarnoch wrote: R or D, they all seem to be out of touch with the general public. Scott Brown is no more R than John McCain. Which is a lot less R than JFK, but very, very R for modern day Massachusetts. Mitch. _ **_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/; http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/;; To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com; http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com;; _ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com _ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com _ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A triplet of cheap 300SDs in Portland which may take off in 2nd!
Are you sure, you're not talking about the blue one are ya? Then again I drove it like you need to drive a 240D, foot flat to the floor until cruising altitude is reached. Hendrik who still has a sore foot from piloting the 240D Mountain Man wrote: Hendrik wrote: All the auto Mercs I have had or dealt with, take off in 2nd, from memory mao's 240D took off in 2nd but then again my memory isahmmnh.well I forgot what I was going to say, what was the topic of discussion again? Take another draught of that good oz wine - it starts in first. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Politics
We need a true change, as the current political system, above even the town level in some instances, is so far out of touch with the voting public that elected them as to throw serious doubt on the actual democracy of our entire government. That congressional apointees can go fully against campaign promises with narry a slap on the wrist, vote how they please, and ignore the principles that they produced to get elected, is a clear indication that there is a fundamental flaw in our governmental model. Sadly, the old everyone votes for everything policy will never be feasable to ennact, so we must therefore hope that we can obtaine, through some means, stricter guidlines towards following through on campaign promises (within reason of course). It's sad when our representatives (not every rep, but most) fall so out of touch with the base of people who elected them. One of the faults we must deal with I guess... Walt On Aug 17, 2011 12:41 AM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: No, I don't think that class warfare is the way out of this mess, and I think taxing (penalizing) the most productive members of society to redistribute their wealth is a sure way to prolong it (and morally wrong as well). If Warren voluntarily put his money where his mouth is, stroked a check to our Treasury for few hundred million, I'd be impressed but I still would not agree. As I see it, liberals have tried a variation of tax and spend by spending first and putting off the tax part as long as possible. Now that chicken has come home to roost. Tea Party wants to behead, pluck and eat that chicken (and eat all its eggs to make sure no more chickens are coming later on), and I trend to agree. I'm sure your shocked to hear those words from me... Max -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: If you are a Buffet fan, then you must surely endores his idea of the super rich paying more taxes. On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: I like Warren Buffet's idea, would make a good constitutional amendment; if annual deficit exceeds 3% of GDP, all Senators and Congressman are exempt from running at the next election. Max -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: The time has come when calling yourself a R or D has little meaning. Both are so full of corruption and are harming America. Both parties are guilty. Time to clean house. On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 8:40 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Walt Zarnoch wrote: R or D, they all seem to be out of touch with the general public. Scott Brown is no more R than John McCain. Which is a lot less R than JFK, but very, very R for modern day Massachusetts. Mitch. _ **_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/; http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/;; To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com; http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com;; _ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com _ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com _ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 603 filter change, cranking forever
Once you have fuel at #6, the bleeding is done. From there on, it is let the nozzles fill up, and then they should deliver fuel. A diesel needs fuel, air to compress, and compression to run when hot. on prechamber engines, when cold, they need heat. In order to get enough compression, the starter has to turn fast enough. It is still possible that a leak is allowing air into the fuel. (Check for bubbles as in a prior post.) It is possible that the glow relay went bad, or the fuse is bad but looks ok. That would take out the required heat. (check for voltage at the glow plugs.) Air obstruction. (check for obstructions between air intake and the crossover pipe after the turbo.) (don't drop a socket in the turbo) Several things can lead to poor compression. rust forming on valves and seats, (or cylinder walls) during the dormancy. wear/age, slow turning starter. Take the other suggestions posted today, organize them under fuel, air, compression, and heat and go through the list. There is a reason. We just don't know yet what it is. I think air leakage in fuel lines, no voltage to the GPs, and rust are most likely problems. Someone a year or so ago had a leak after changing filters, and it turned out to be an oring on the fuel filter big bolt letting air into the system. In the future, before working on a dormant engine, start it up first, and let it run a few hours, then change filters and fluids. That way, rust can be cleaned up, and you will have proven the starter/battery system is ok. On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 7:05 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: As for Alex, 1. crack the inj. lines at the injectors. 2. crack the return banjo fitting at the filter, or slip off the small line form the nozzles. 3. crank until you get fuel at the return line. 4. close the return lines 5. crank until you get fuel at the nozzles. 6. when you get fuel at the injectors, close the lines. 7. Crank it again. If you don't get fuel at step 3, then search for air leaks in the fuel lines. It is usually deteriorated rubber hose, but can be rust too. Well, I have followed steps 1-7 three times. Each time I get fuel at steps 3 and 6. Each time I've cranked the car until the battery ran down three or four times, putting it on the charger overnight between tries. Still no start. It will sound like three or four cylinders are firing irregularly, but never quite enough to turn under its own power. The battery is fresh and I can hear that it's turning plenty fast enough when first cranked. So that makes a total of about a dozen serious attempts at starting since changing the filters. At this point I feel like I'm just killing the starter. I don't see any sign of leaky lines. How would I test for air leaks too small to see easily? I thought of the glow plugs, but they are only a few years old (replaced when the #16 head blew). Resistance at the GP relay connector is 0.5 ohm between the terminal and ground for all six terminals. I don't have a VOM with a wide enough DC amp range to test the current draw, but I know that at least some current is being pulled by the fact that the interior lights dim and the pitch of the key-in buzzer goes lower when the key is in glow position (and the idiot light comes on steady). Help! I am about ready to push this car off a cliff (if I could get it started to drive it close enough). Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
