Re: [MLUG] Moving away from Kubuntu 15.xx Re: mlug Digest, Vol 96,

[Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre]

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 9:52 AM, Sean Rickerd  wrote:

> Speaking of OpenStack. Anyone on this list going to the OpenStack Summit
> in Austin?
>

I'll be in Austin the week after, if you stay there longer than for the
Summit.


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Re: [MLUG] Moving away from Kubuntu 15.xx Re: mlug Digest, Vol 96, Issue 4

[Peter Silva]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goobuntu


On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 9:31 AM, Patricia Campbell 
wrote:

> Jer,I had heard that too, could not find data & are they truly
> Ubuntu or a custom ??  (and Ubuntu != Debian)
>
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 9:03 AM, Jer  wrote:
> > On 16-03-07 10:25 PM, Patricia Campbell wrote:
> >>
> >> " It is the best distribution when server installation comes to mind,
> >> which is a tribute to it's stability."
> >> I am not sure how you are defining best,  It is certainly not the
> >> leader, right now RedHat and customized versions of Linux (ex google
> >> farms,  aws cloud back end) are  much more widely used.
> >
> > I was blown away when I learned who was running Ubuntu on the backend.
> Huge
> > systems like instagram, netflix, uber/lyft, Paypal, Dropbox, Snapchat,
> > Pinterest, Reddit. Wikipedia and wikimedia... it is pretty astounding.
> >
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Re: [MLUG] Moving away from Kubuntu 15.xx

[Juhan Leemet]

I’m “cheap”, but I don’t have patience for “bleeding edge” stuff, so I 
typically install Ubuntu LTS (14.04 now) and then install ubuntu-desktop. Works 
well enough for me.

I’ve used both rpm, apt package managers. They both work, each distro has to 
choose one or the other. For standard stuff, NP. Optional stuff can get you 
snarled up with dependencies.

Juhan Leemet
Logicognosis, Inc.

> On Mar 8, 2016, at 12:19,   wrote:
> 
> Thank you everyone for the suggestions.
> 
> I installed KDE Neon. This somehow restored my sound system,
> but it came with a few other problems. At this point, I knew I would be
> better off with a fresh install, so I installed Debian 8.
> 
> I love Debian for servers, but it didn't work too smoothly on my
> desktop. I picked Cinnamon during the install, and I ended up with a
> tiny graphical window on my monitor, and fonts that were near impossible
> to read. I added the jessie-backport and installed the nvidia drivers
> for my card(750ti). I was able to reboot into lightdm and see
> everything properly. However, Cinnamon would fail to load! I installed
> XFCE and that one worked.
> 
> At that point, I decided to try Ubuntu 15.10 without KDE. If the
> desktop environment has such an impact on the sound and video, maybe my
> problem with Ubuntu 15.10 was just KDE. I booted Ubuntu 15.10 through
> USB and I was greeted with problems right away. Some of the letters were
> a different colour than the rest. For example, the word "/dev/sda/"
> would read like "/de /s a/". I aborted the installation and wondered if
> something was wrong with my computer. I mean, why am I having so many
> problems?
> 
> After that, I downloaded Kubuntu 14.04LTS as I remembered how well that
> one worked for me. I had absolutely no problem during the install. I
> was able to boot into a clean installation of KDE4. Everything just
> works. So, for the time being, I think I will be sticking with LTS.
> 
> I don't know what I'll do when I have to update away from 14.04LTS. Once
> the fatigue over all the problems I had lately goes away, I think I'll
> give a try to the other distributions suggested here, including Suse and
> Fedora.
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Re: [MLUG] Moving away from Kubuntu 15.xx

[ravnox]

Thank you everyone for the suggestions.

I installed KDE Neon. This somehow restored my sound system,
but it came with a few other problems. At this point, I knew I would be
better off with a fresh install, so I installed Debian 8.

I love Debian for servers, but it didn't work too smoothly on my
desktop. I picked Cinnamon during the install, and I ended up with a
tiny graphical window on my monitor, and fonts that were near impossible
to read. I added the jessie-backport and installed the nvidia drivers
for my card(750ti). I was able to reboot into lightdm and see
everything properly. However, Cinnamon would fail to load! I installed
XFCE and that one worked.

At that point, I decided to try Ubuntu 15.10 without KDE. If the
desktop environment has such an impact on the sound and video, maybe my
problem with Ubuntu 15.10 was just KDE. I booted Ubuntu 15.10 through
USB and I was greeted with problems right away. Some of the letters were
a different colour than the rest. For example, the word "/dev/sda/"
would read like "/de /s a/". I aborted the installation and wondered if
something was wrong with my computer. I mean, why am I having so many
problems?

After that, I downloaded Kubuntu 14.04LTS as I remembered how well that
one worked for me. I had absolutely no problem during the install. I
was able to boot into a clean installation of KDE4. Everything just
works. So, for the time being, I think I will be sticking with LTS.

I don't know what I'll do when I have to update away from 14.04LTS. Once
the fatigue over all the problems I had lately goes away, I think I'll
give a try to the other distributions suggested here, including Suse and
Fedora. 

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Re: [MLUG] Moving away from Kubuntu 15.xx Re: mlug Digest, Vol 96,

[Sean Rickerd]

Speaking of OpenStack. Anyone on this list going to the OpenStack Summit 
in Austin?



Signature Sean Rickerd
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On 08/03/16 09:40 AM, Jer wrote:

On 16-03-08 09:31 AM, Patricia Campbell wrote:

Jer,I had heard that too, could not find data & are they truly
Ubuntu or a custom ??  (and Ubuntu != Debian)


Just for instance: 
http://instagram-engineering.tumblr.com/post/13649370142/what-powers-instagram-hundreds-of-instances-dozens-of


Ubuntu on openstack is super popular, as in EC2 etc.

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Re: [MLUG] Moving away from Kubuntu 15.xx Re: mlug Digest, Vol 96, Issue 4

[Jer]

On 16-03-08 09:31 AM, Patricia Campbell wrote:

Jer,I had heard that too, could not find data & are they truly
Ubuntu or a custom ??  (and Ubuntu != Debian)


Just for instance: 
http://instagram-engineering.tumblr.com/post/13649370142/what-powers-instagram-hundreds-of-instances-dozens-of


Ubuntu on openstack is super popular, as in EC2 etc.

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Re: [MLUG] Moving away from Kubuntu 15.xx Re: mlug Digest, Vol 96, Issue 4

[Patricia Campbell]

On this topic does anyone know a good source for this data, market
share counts of who uses what on their servers, server farms etc???

I am looking for something somewhat credible like
http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2015/09/16/september-2015-web-server-survey.html


On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 9:31 AM, Patricia Campbell
 wrote:
> Jer,I had heard that too, could not find data & are they truly
> Ubuntu or a custom ??  (and Ubuntu != Debian)
>
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 9:03 AM, Jer  wrote:
>> On 16-03-07 10:25 PM, Patricia Campbell wrote:
>>>
>>> " It is the best distribution when server installation comes to mind,
>>> which is a tribute to it's stability."
>>> I am not sure how you are defining best,  It is certainly not the
>>> leader, right now RedHat and customized versions of Linux (ex google
>>> farms,  aws cloud back end) are  much more widely used.
>>
>> I was blown away when I learned who was running Ubuntu on the backend. Huge
>> systems like instagram, netflix, uber/lyft, Paypal, Dropbox, Snapchat,
>> Pinterest, Reddit. Wikipedia and wikimedia... it is pretty astounding.
>>
>> Jeremy
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Re: [MLUG] Moving away from Kubuntu 15.xx Re: mlug Digest, Vol 96, Issue 4

[Jer]

On 16-03-08 09:15 AM, sustain_abil...@123mail.org wrote:

Right this minute, only a handful of personal use machines are available
on Kijiji with Linux as a secondary
OS mainly (greater Mtl. area). My Acer mini-desktop, when new, had
problems with Linux, so I didn't try very hard.
I would like to go back, but most brand names are still chained to M$?
Sustain



Some people sell pre-loaded linux systems, in Ottawa for instance: 
http://jccss.ca (no that is not me).


More here http://linuxpreloaded.com/

You won't find much on kijiji because basically that is going to be 
someone on this mailing list selling their personal system heh.


That being said I have installed ubuntu or debian on pretty much every 
system I own, laptop to desktop and they all work. There are always some 
glitches, but just like trying to do your own windows install where you 
have to chase down stupid drivers all over the place.


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Re: [MLUG] Moving away from Kubuntu 15.xx Re: mlug Digest, Vol 96, Issue 4

[Patricia Campbell]

Jer,I had heard that too, could not find data & are they truly
Ubuntu or a custom ??  (and Ubuntu != Debian)

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 9:03 AM, Jer  wrote:
> On 16-03-07 10:25 PM, Patricia Campbell wrote:
>>
>> " It is the best distribution when server installation comes to mind,
>> which is a tribute to it's stability."
>> I am not sure how you are defining best,  It is certainly not the
>> leader, right now RedHat and customized versions of Linux (ex google
>> farms,  aws cloud back end) are  much more widely used.
>
> I was blown away when I learned who was running Ubuntu on the backend. Huge
> systems like instagram, netflix, uber/lyft, Paypal, Dropbox, Snapchat,
> Pinterest, Reddit. Wikipedia and wikimedia... it is pretty astounding.
>
> Jeremy
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Re: [MLUG] Moving away from Kubuntu 15.xx Re: mlug Digest, Vol 96, Issue 4

[sustain_ability]

Right this minute, only a handful of personal use machines are available
on Kijiji with Linux as a secondary
OS mainly (greater Mtl. area). My Acer mini-desktop, when new, had
problems with Linux, so I didn't try very hard.
I would like to go back, but most brand names are still chained to M$?
Sustain

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016, at 09:03 AM, Jer wrote:
> On 16-03-07 10:25 PM, Patricia Campbell wrote:
> > " It is the best distribution when server installation comes to mind,
> > which is a tribute to it's stability."
> > I am not sure how you are defining best,  It is certainly not the
> > leader, right now RedHat and customized versions of Linux (ex google
> > farms,  aws cloud back end) are  much more widely used.
> I was blown away when I learned who was running Ubuntu on the backend. 
> Huge systems like instagram, netflix, uber/lyft, Paypal, Dropbox, 
> Snapchat, Pinterest, Reddit. Wikipedia and wikimedia... it is pretty 
> astounding.
> 
> Jeremy

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Re: [MLUG] Moving away from Kubuntu 15.xx Re: mlug Digest, Vol 96, Issue 4

[Jer]

On 16-03-07 10:25 PM, Patricia Campbell wrote:

" It is the best distribution when server installation comes to mind,
which is a tribute to it's stability."
I am not sure how you are defining best,  It is certainly not the
leader, right now RedHat and customized versions of Linux (ex google
farms,  aws cloud back end) are  much more widely used.
I was blown away when I learned who was running Ubuntu on the backend. 
Huge systems like instagram, netflix, uber/lyft, Paypal, Dropbox, 
Snapchat, Pinterest, Reddit. Wikipedia and wikimedia... it is pretty 
astounding.


Jeremy
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Re: [MLUG] Moving away from Kubuntu 15.xx Re: mlug Digest, Vol 96, Issue 4

[Patricia Campbell]

There are a couple of things here that are not quite accurate:

"Debian is the most stable"
 RedHat is certainly stable, by extension CentOs  as was pointed out
by Sean there is no real way to say this with accuracy.

"It is the father, or grand father of over 60% of all linux distributions."
There may be a lot of spin off distributions but can you cite your
source for 60%  and some of the spin off's just die and are not widely
used the major spin off would be Ubuntu (and variants) because of
Canonical.

" In the desktop OS it is not the most popular, but not by much."
This is debatable, certainly Ubuntu may be the most popular as a
desktop not Debian, again source ?

" It is the best distribution when server installation comes to mind,
which is a tribute to it's stability."
I am not sure how you are defining best,  It is certainly not the
leader, right now RedHat and customized versions of Linux (ex google
farms,  aws cloud back end) are  much more widely used.

" It has the best packaging management system there is."
That is an opinion, in  my opinion the apt-get / deb package
management is not as good as yum(dnf) / rpm you can't do things like
"dnf provides software x"  in apt

"- Now a day, the Debian installer does provide a choice of desktop at
install time. Gnome, KDE, Xfce and LXDE are among the choices
available."
With standard package repos you can install any DE you want on RedHat
or other systems, or none it has always been so with *nix variants
this is not new and not unique to Debian.

On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 8:58 PM, Nick Sklavenitis  wrote:
> I Am surprised nobody has mentioned Centos 7 as a desktop It will have
> security updates for about 10 years. It is not bleeding edge per se but it
> is consistent at this point Centos 7.2 or 1511 release is rock solid for me.
> I have been using it for the last 3 years between version 6.x and now 7.x It
> just works and i know (feel confident :) ) updates will not break the system
> at some point in time. It now ships with gnome 3.x and fairly recent
> packages. It is rock solid, Yes it is rpm based but if you want something
> that works well and is ruggedly tested i would consider it. In general
> though pick your poison most will just work in the same fashion and are
> interchangeable.
>
>
> On Mar 7, 2016, at 2:20 PM, Sean Rickerd  wrote:
>
> I'd have to disagree with the server comment.
>
> In the enterprise space, there is very little Debian. You'll be looking at
> SUSE and Red Hat in that space. That said, those two are the most
> stable/dependable when it comes to running production servers.
>
> Also ,your statement about the packaging management system is nothing more
> than opinion.
>
> Debian may be the best for you, and that is perfectly fine, but I would
> point out there is a lot of bias in that conclusion.
>
> Sean Rickerd
> Ingénieur Commercial/Sales Engineer
> srick...@suse.com
> 514.834.5778
> 
> 
> On 07/03/16 01:41 PM, Yves Legault wrote:
>
> Here is my personal path in the Linux world:
>
> - Caldera Linux, before 1999 It was not easy to find and install the proper
> video and audio drivers back then!
> - Red Hat 7 8 and 9, somewhere between 2002 and 2003
> - Fedora Core1, 2, 3 and 4, from about 2003 to 2005
> - Debian 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 and currently 8, from about 2006 until today.
> - I have been using UbuntuStudio for music related work for few years.
> Beside some issues with updates, I never had problem with this distribution
> which has a lot of goodies included in their default setup.
> - There has also been short trials of Suse, Mandraque, DamnSmallLinux,
> Ubuntu and more recently Mint.
> - Knoppix is also to be noted as I used it some times to rescue windows as
> well as Linux machines sometimes.
> - Since Debian is likely the most stable OS there is, it can behave as an
> OS, meaning I can forget about it's existence while getting ahead with my
> work.
>
> - It is the father, or grand father of over 60% of all linux distributions.
> - In the desktop OS it is not the most popular, but not by much.
> - It is the best distribution when server installation comes to mind, which
> is a tribute to it's stability.
> - It has the best packaging management system there is.
> - Updates very rarely create issues.
> - Now a day, the Debian installer does provide a choice of desktop at
> install time. Gnome, KDE, Xfce and LXDE are among the choices available.
> This is the single most important improvement that recently occurred with
> Debian, allowing installation of a GUI (or not) on vintage machines, giving
> them a second life.
>
> My main PC is currently built around 120GB SSD for the operating system, 1TB
> HDD for the /home folder, 12GB SDRAM, AMD Phenom X4 925 CPU and a GeForce
> 9500GT video card connected to two 27 inches screens, a scanner, a webcam
> and an HP2600N printer.
> This setup has been running virtually unstopped since 2012... Except 

Re: [MLUG] Moving away from Kubuntu 15.xx Re: mlug Digest, Vol 96, Issue 4

[Nick Sklavenitis]

I Am surprised nobody has mentioned Centos 7 as a desktop It will have security 
updates for about 10 years. It is not bleeding edge per se but it is consistent 
at this point Centos 7.2 or 1511 release is rock solid for me. I have been 
using it for the last 3 years between version 6.x and now 7.x It just works and 
i know (feel confident :) ) updates will not break the system at some point in 
time. It now ships with gnome 3.x and fairly recent packages. It is rock solid, 
Yes it is rpm based but if you want something that works well and is ruggedly 
tested i would consider it. In general though pick your poison most will just 
work in the same fashion and are interchangeable.


> On Mar 7, 2016, at 2:20 PM, Sean Rickerd  wrote:
> 
> I'd have to disagree with the server comment. 
> 
> In the enterprise space, there is very little Debian. You'll be looking at 
> SUSE and Red Hat in that space. That said, those two are the most 
> stable/dependable when it comes to running production servers.
> 
> Also ,your statement about the packaging management system is nothing more 
> than opinion.
> 
> Debian may be the best for you, and that is perfectly fine, but I would point 
> out there is a lot of bias in that conclusion.
> 
> Sean Rickerd
> Ingénieur Commercial/Sales Engineer
> srick...@suse.com 
> 514.834.5778
> 
> 
> On 07/03/16 01:41 PM, Yves Legault wrote:
>> Here is my personal path in the Linux world:
>> - Caldera Linux, before 1999 It was not easy to find and install the proper 
>> video and audio drivers back then!
>> - Red Hat 7 8 and 9, somewhere between 2002 and 2003
>> - Fedora Core1, 2, 3 and 4, from about 2003 to 2005
>> - Debian 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 and currently 8, from about 2006 until today.
>> - I have been using UbuntuStudio for music related work for few years. 
>> Beside some issues with updates, I never had problem with this distribution 
>> which has a lot of goodies included in their default setup.
>> - There has also been short trials of Suse, Mandraque, DamnSmallLinux, 
>> Ubuntu and more recently Mint.
>> - Knoppix is also to be noted as I used it some times to rescue windows as 
>> well as Linux machines sometimes.
>> - Since Debian is likely the most stable OS there is, it can behave as an 
>> OS, meaning I can forget about it's existence while getting ahead with my 
>> work.
>> - It is the father, or grand father of over 60% of all linux distributions.
>> - In the desktop OS it is not the most popular, but not by much.
>> - It is the best distribution when server installation comes to mind, which 
>> is a tribute to it's stability.
>> - It has the best packaging management system there is.
>> - Updates very rarely create issues.
>> - Now a day, the Debian installer does provide a choice of desktop at 
>> install time. Gnome, KDE, Xfce and LXDE are among the choices available. 
>> This is the single most important improvement that recently occurred with 
>> Debian, allowing installation of a GUI (or not) on vintage machines, giving 
>> them a second life.
>> My main PC is currently built around 120GB SSD for the operating system, 1TB 
>> HDD for the /home folder, 12GB SDRAM, AMD Phenom X4 925 CPU and a GeForce 
>> 9500GT video card connected to two 27 inches screens, a scanner, a webcam  
>> and an HP2600N printer.
>> This setup has been running virtually unstopped since 2012... Except for 3 
>> power failures, a few times when I moved the PC to another room, a dead UPS 
>> battery that needed to be swapped, and annual heatsink dust cleanup.
>> I have several PC's running Debian around the house, most of them have a up 
>> time of more than 2 months. There is a small 9 inches screen eeePC that ran 
>> for over 387 days without a reboot.
>> I am currently running these softwares on my main PC form time to time:
>> - Eclipse, especially for software development with atmel MCU's in mind.
>> - MPLABX for Microchip MCU's development.
>> - Arduino IDE
>> - DOSBOX to run some old DOS games I still like to play sometimes.
>> - Oracle's VirtualBox, when I need access to several machines at the same 
>> time to do network topology development or when a friend need help on 
>> Windows stuff.
>> - LibreOffice applications.
>> - Do not forgent the web browser Iceweasel and the Evolution mail client, 
>> which are quite often the most used.
>> So, for the last 10 years, I can say that Debian Linux has held it together 
>> without major issues for me.
>> 
>> Therefore, I conclude with the personal understanding that Debian is the 
>> overall best distribution there is.
>> All the above being said, note that we have seen over 800 Linux 
>> distributions created that had some significance, although there might be 
>> less than 300 currently available. This is more than enough choices to pick 
>> from when a specific need comes around.
>> 
>> Sources:
>> 

Re: [MLUG] Moving away from Kubuntu 15.xx Re: mlug Digest, Vol 96, Issue 4

[Yves Legault]

lsatenst...@yahoo.com>
> To: Montreal Linux Users Group <mlug@listserv.mlug.ca>
> Subject: Re: [MLUG] Moving away from Kubuntu 15.xx
> Message-ID:
>   <1812732167.5013096.1457364886133.javamail.ya...@mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Using Now
> I moved away from Debian to  a Fedora Remix.
> I have several Fedora 23 Remixes,  Let me explainFedora has a policy of being 
> FOSS (except for certain exceptions), to follow the rules of Red-Hat, the 
> main sponsor.
> Pure Fedora does not include some codecs or libdvdcss or steam, or other 
> software that make up a rich workspace package
> The Remix packages are just the basic Fedora23 (with updates) and the extras 
> that Fedora can't promote. (Wonderful USA laws and lawyers who sue).
> But the Remixes are not USA based, and can be installed anywhere.
> I use Chapeau Linux http://chapeaulinux.org/   with Gnome.   Visit the site 
> to get an idea of the add-ons. This version is rock solid, and very 
> enjoyable.I use Kororaproject ( Korora Project )   with XFCE   and a second 
> copy with GNOME.  The XFCE is remarkably nice, and the Gnome version has 
> software that Chapeau Linux does not include and vice versa).
> If you want a rock solid distribution, use one of the above two.   
> 
> I also have SUSE Tumbleweed, a KDE version. I am having problems with videos 
> and youtube stuff with Tumbleweed. I need the video to follow some on-line 
> courses I am taking.
> Ergo, I would just highly recommend you try Korora or Chapeau.   
> 
> 
>  
>  Leslie
>  Mr. Leslie Satenstein
> Montréal Québec, Canada
> 
> 
> 
>   From: Patricia Campbell <triciamontr...@gmail.com>
>  To: Montreal Linux Users Group <mlug@listserv.mlug.ca> 
>  Sent: Thursday, March 3, 2016 5:21 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MLUG] Moving away from Kubuntu 15.xx
>
> Did you try using another CE with kbuntu if that's the distribution you like 
> it may be the easiest solution, depend what the issues are.  Tricia, using my 
> droidHello everyone,
> 
> I'm thinking of moving away from Kubuntu. Ever since I upgraded to the 15.xx 
> branch, I've only had problems and frustrations. Today, after an update, I 
> lost the sound system. I'm not sure if this is a problem with the based 
> distribution, or if it's because of KDE and Plasma 5, but I'm kind of tired 
> of spending so much time trying to fix this instead of using the system. 
> Kubuntu 15 has been a huge disappointment to me.
> 
> I want to stick with a Debian based distribution. I'm considering Debian or 
> Mint. Mostly, I need to be able to install the latest Nvidia drivers for 
> Steam Linux support. That's about my only requirements. Well, that and a 
> stable system. I might moved over to Cinnamon instead of KDE as well.
> 
> Has anyone moved away to a different distribution after years of using 
> Kubuntu, and what are you using now?
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> From: Leslie S Satenstein <lsatenst...@yahoo.com>
> To: Montreal Linux Users Group <mlug@listserv.mlug.ca>
> Subject: Re: [MLUG] Moving away from Kubuntu 15.xx
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> Try Chapeau | Fedora, for the desktop.   or   Korora Project Regards 
>  Leslie
>  Mr. Leslie Satenstein
> Montréal Québec, Canada
> 
> 
> 
>   From: "rav...@arkanox.net" <rav...@arkanox.net>
>  To: Montreal Linux Users Group <mlug@listserv.mlug.ca> 
>  Sent: Thursday, March 3, 2016 5:31 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MLUG] Moving away from Kubuntu 15.xx
>
> I tried Cinnamon earlier today, but the sound system is still broken. 
> I've tried a few things to fix that issue, but nothing worked. I think 
> it would be easier to do a fresh install at this point. Since I've had 
> so many problems with either KDE or the core of Kubuntu since 15.04, I'm 
> not sure installing Kubuntu again would be the way to go. I've lost 
> faith in this distribution.
> 
> ---
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> 
> On 2016-03-03 17:21, Patricia Campbell wrote:
> > 

Re: [MLUG] Moving away from Kubuntu 15.xx

[Sean Rickerd]

Obviously I am biased, but openSUSE Leap (42.1) is extremely solid. It's 
more in-line with our Enterprise distro so it's a bit more tested.


Plus, you can still use the one-click installs available from 
software.opensuse.org and add the packman repository for codecs and 
non-oss stuff.


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On 07/03/16 10:59 AM, Juhan Leemet wrote:
Hmm, I moved away from Fedora to Ubuntu many years ago, because IIRC 
Fedora broke the automounter. Coming from Sun Solaris background, I 
had everything setup with automounter for home directories, and such. 
Recently, seems that Ubuntu? Linux? have broken the NFS delayed mount 
flag: _netdev? I had to patch this functionality by forcing “mount -a” 
at end of rc.local. Sometimes I think we are on the edge of “bit-rot” 
overtaking us.


Have automounter and _netdev support been fixed in Fedora? Ubuntu? 
yet? Otherwise, I have been reasonably happy with Ubuntu LTS (now 
14.04.3) + ubuntu-desktop for years. Not as stable IMO as Solaris, but 
“good enough”.


Juhan Leemet
Logicognosis, Inc.

On Mar 7, 2016, at 10:36, Leslie S Satenstein <lsatenst...@yahoo.com 
<mailto:lsatenst...@yahoo.com>> wrote:


Try Chapeau | Fedora, for the desktop. <http://chapeaulinux.org/>   
or Korora Project <https://kororaproject.org/>

Regards
*
 Leslie
*
*Mr. Leslie Satenstein*
*Montréal Québec, Canada*

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*Subject:* Re: [MLUG] Moving away from Kubuntu 15.xx

I tried Cinnamon earlier today, but the sound system is still broken.
I've tried a few things to fix that issue, but nothing worked. I think
it would be easier to do a fresh install at this point. Since I've had
so many problems with either KDE or the core of Kubuntu since 15.04, I'm
not sure installing Kubuntu again would be the way to go. I've lost
faith in this distribution.

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On 2016-03-03 17:21, Patricia Campbell wrote:
> Did you try using another CE with kbuntu if that's the distribution
> you like it may be the easiest solution, depend what the issues are.
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Re: [MLUG] Moving away from Kubuntu 15.xx

[Juhan Leemet]

Hmm, I moved away from Fedora to Ubuntu many years ago, because IIRC Fedora 
broke the automounter. Coming from Sun Solaris background, I had everything 
setup with automounter for home directories, and such. Recently, seems that 
Ubuntu? Linux? have broken the NFS delayed mount flag: _netdev? I had to patch 
this functionality by forcing “mount -a” at end of rc.local. Sometimes I think 
we are on the edge of “bit-rot” overtaking us.

Have automounter and _netdev support been fixed in Fedora? Ubuntu? yet? 
Otherwise, I have been reasonably happy with Ubuntu LTS (now 14.04.3) + 
ubuntu-desktop for years. Not as stable IMO as Solaris, but “good enough”.

Juhan Leemet
Logicognosis, Inc.

> On Mar 7, 2016, at 10:36, Leslie S Satenstein <lsatenst...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> Try Chapeau | Fedora, for the desktop. <http://chapeaulinux.org/>   or   
> Korora Project <https://kororaproject.org/>
> 
> Regards
> 
>  Leslie
> Mr. Leslie Satenstein
> Montréal Québec, Canada
> 
> 
> 
> From: "rav...@arkanox.net" <rav...@arkanox.net>
> To: Montreal Linux Users Group <mlug@listserv.mlug.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, March 3, 2016 5:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [MLUG] Moving away from Kubuntu 15.xx
> 
> I tried Cinnamon earlier today, but the sound system is still broken.
> I've tried a few things to fix that issue, but nothing worked. I think
> it would be easier to do a fresh install at this point. Since I've had
> so many problems with either KDE or the core of Kubuntu since 15.04, I'm
> not sure installing Kubuntu again would be the way to go. I've lost
> faith in this distribution.
> 
> ---
> Ravnox
> 
> On 2016-03-03 17:21, Patricia Campbell wrote:
> > Did you try using another CE with kbuntu if that's the distribution
> > you like it may be the easiest solution, depend what the issues are.
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Re: [MLUG] Moving away from Kubuntu 15.xx

[Leslie S Satenstein]

Try Chapeau | Fedora, for the desktop.   or   Korora Project Regards 
 Leslie
 Mr. Leslie Satenstein
Montréal Québec, Canada



  From: "rav...@arkanox.net" <rav...@arkanox.net>
 To: Montreal Linux Users Group <mlug@listserv.mlug.ca> 
 Sent: Thursday, March 3, 2016 5:31 PM
 Subject: Re: [MLUG] Moving away from Kubuntu 15.xx
   
I tried Cinnamon earlier today, but the sound system is still broken. 
I've tried a few things to fix that issue, but nothing worked. I think 
it would be easier to do a fresh install at this point. Since I've had 
so many problems with either KDE or the core of Kubuntu since 15.04, I'm 
not sure installing Kubuntu again would be the way to go. I've lost 
faith in this distribution.

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On 2016-03-03 17:21, Patricia Campbell wrote:
> Did you try using another CE with kbuntu if that's the distribution
> you like it may be the easiest solution, depend what the issues are.
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Re: [MLUG] Moving away from Kubuntu 15.xx

[Leslie S Satenstein]

Using Now
I moved away from Debian to  a Fedora Remix.
I have several Fedora 23 Remixes,  Let me explainFedora has a policy of being 
FOSS (except for certain exceptions), to follow the rules of Red-Hat, the main 
sponsor.
Pure Fedora does not include some codecs or libdvdcss or steam, or other 
software that make up a rich workspace package
The Remix packages are just the basic Fedora23 (with updates) and the extras 
that Fedora can't promote. (Wonderful USA laws and lawyers who sue).
But the Remixes are not USA based, and can be installed anywhere.
I use Chapeau Linux http://chapeaulinux.org/   with Gnome.   Visit the site to 
get an idea of the add-ons. This version is rock solid, and very enjoyable.I 
use Kororaproject ( Korora Project )   with XFCE   and a second copy with 
GNOME.  The XFCE is remarkably nice, and the Gnome version has software that 
Chapeau Linux does not include and vice versa).
If you want a rock solid distribution, use one of the above two.   

I also have SUSE Tumbleweed, a KDE version. I am having problems with videos 
and youtube stuff with Tumbleweed. I need the video to follow some on-line 
courses I am taking.
Ergo, I would just highly recommend you try Korora or Chapeau.   


 
 Leslie
 Mr. Leslie Satenstein
Montréal Québec, Canada



  From: Patricia Campbell <triciamontr...@gmail.com>
 To: Montreal Linux Users Group <mlug@listserv.mlug.ca> 
 Sent: Thursday, March 3, 2016 5:21 PM
 Subject: Re: [MLUG] Moving away from Kubuntu 15.xx
   
Did you try using another CE with kbuntu if that's the distribution you like it 
may be the easiest solution, depend what the issues are.  Tricia, using my 
droidHello everyone,

I'm thinking of moving away from Kubuntu. Ever since I upgraded to the 15.xx 
branch, I've only had problems and frustrations. Today, after an update, I lost 
the sound system. I'm not sure if this is a problem with the based 
distribution, or if it's because of KDE and Plasma 5, but I'm kind of tired of 
spending so much time trying to fix this instead of using the system. Kubuntu 
15 has been a huge disappointment to me.

I want to stick with a Debian based distribution. I'm considering Debian or 
Mint. Mostly, I need to be able to install the latest Nvidia drivers for Steam 
Linux support. That's about my only requirements. Well, that and a stable 
system. I might moved over to Cinnamon instead of KDE as well.

Has anyone moved away to a different distribution after years of using Kubuntu, 
and what are you using now?

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Re: [MLUG] Moving away from Kubuntu 15.xx

[Hendrik Boom]

On Thu, Mar 03, 2016 at 05:32:46PM -0500, rav...@arkanox.net wrote:
> Thanks for the suggestion. I'm looking into it. So the only
> difference is that there is no systemd?
> 

And other changes that are required because there is no systemd.
A number of subsystems have been dropped as a result; e.g. the latest
versions of gnome depend on systemd and are gone, though a lot of
gnome components, such as gtk, are still around because they don't.

There are stll a few systemd components around, because it takes time
to get rid of everything, but the init is ordinary system V init. 

There's a udev replacement being written, called vdev. 

The devuan package repositories contain the packges they have changed.
For other packages, they issue an automatic transparent redirect to the 
Debian repositories.  They are *that* compatible.

I installed devuan last August, judging from my filedates, and have been 
happy with it.

I did install from scratch on a new hard drive, partly to test the 
installer. I couldn't do the Debian wheezy to Devuan jessie upgrade
because I already had Debian jessie on my system.  But who knows?  It might 
have worked anyway.

And there's a substantial mailing list.  They are *very* interested in 
dealing with user problems.  As long as the problem isn't that you 
want systemd.  In that cse they advise you to use Debian.

-- hendrik

> --
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> 
> 
> >By the way, Deevuan *is* a Debian derivative.
> >Most of the packages are even the Debian packages without any change.
> >Only a few have been modified so they work without systemd.
> >
> >It's even possible to upgrade to Devuan jessie straight from
> >Debian wheezy.
> >
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Re: [MLUG] Moving away from Kubuntu 15.xx

[Sean Rickerd]

:P

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On 03/03/16 06:07 PM, Jer wrote:

On 16-03-03 05:35 PM, Sean Rickerd wrote:

Are you looking to stay on a .deb distro?

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'Cause otherwise Sean will recommend Gentoo, right? :-)

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Re: [MLUG] Moving away from Kubuntu 15.xx

[Fabián Rodríguez]

Le 2016-03-03 18:47, Jer a écrit :
> Bah why is nothing easy. I want both Debian and easy to install stuff
> like proprietary drivers. Mint works and looks good, but I don't like
> the contents of that post at all obviously. I'm too old and bored to
> mess around much anymore, I just need it to work. 

I am too :) so I make it a point to never buy Nvidia hardware. I guess I
am lucky not to need it in any way. If I did, I would probably use
Ubuntu Gnome or Ubuntu Mate remixes which can now justify providing
support for them while being mostly consistent with other distributions
same DE experiences.

If you do have Nvidia hardware, it seems proprietary drivers are not
essential anymore to have decent performance since Debian 8 (current
stable, or "Jessie"). I am just repeating what I read here:
https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Debian_8_.22Jessie.22

Cheers,

F.

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Re: [MLUG] Moving away from Kubuntu 15.xx

[ravnox]

Thank you. This is really useful and makes a strong argument against 
Mint. I've already been using Debian for more than a decade but only 
with servers. I chose Kubuntu for my desktop because I wanted something 
a little more bleeding edge, but Kubuntu is probably too much of that 
now.


I'm going to try KDE Neon and see if that can fix my current problems 
under Kubuntu. If it doesn't, I think I'll just make the switch to 
Debian with Cinnamon as my desktop.


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On 2016-03-03 18:35, Fabián Rodríguez wrote:

Le 2016-03-03 15:48, rav...@arkanox.net a écrit :

I'm considering Debian or Mint.


Regarding Mint read this carefuly:
https://lwn.net/Articles/676664/

If you want to try Debian, see this:
https://wiki.debian.org/Welcome
https://wiki.debian.org/LocalGroups/DebianQuebec

Also this about KDE in Debian's current stable version:
https://wiki.debian.org/KDE/Jessie

Have fun exploring ;)

F.

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Re: [MLUG] Moving away from Kubuntu 15.xx

[Jer]

On 16-03-03 06:35 PM, Fabián Rodríguez wrote:


Le 2016-03-03 15:48, rav...@arkanox.net a écrit :

I'm considering Debian or Mint.

Regarding Mint read this carefuly:
https://lwn.net/Articles/676664/

If you want to try Debian, see this:
https://wiki.debian.org/Welcome
https://wiki.debian.org/LocalGroups/DebianQuebec

Also this about KDE in Debian's current stable version:
https://wiki.debian.org/KDE/Jessie

Have fun exploring ;)

F.



Bah why is nothing easy. I want both Debian and easy to install stuff 
like proprietary drivers. Mint works and looks good, but I don't like 
the contents of that post at all obviously. I'm too old and bored to 
mess around much anymore, I just need it to work.


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Re: [MLUG] Moving away from Kubuntu 15.xx

[Jer]

On 16-03-03 05:35 PM, Sean Rickerd wrote:

Are you looking to stay on a .deb distro?

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'Cause otherwise Sean will recommend Gentoo, right? :-)

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Re: [MLUG] Moving away from Kubuntu 15.xx

[cory]

I prefer a minimal xubuntu or my desktops. xfce4 makes for a nice light
weight desktop.

Cory Oldford

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Re: [MLUG] Moving away from Kubuntu 15.xx

[ravnox]

Thank you. I'm going to give this a try before I scrap the system and go 
with a clean install.


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On 2016-03-03 17:34, Luis F. Lopez M. wrote:

Hi,

Maybe KDE Neon is worth to try before switching to another
distribution: http://neon.kde.org.uk/

Just my two cents ;)

Luis

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Re: [MLUG] Moving away from Kubuntu 15.xx

[Luis F. Lopez M.]

Hi,

Maybe KDE Neon is worth to try before switching to another distribution:
http://neon.kde.org.uk/

Just my two cents ;)

Luis
On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 5:31 PM  wrote:

> I tried Cinnamon earlier today, but the sound system is still broken.
> I've tried a few things to fix that issue, but nothing worked. I think
> it would be easier to do a fresh install at this point. Since I've had
> so many problems with either KDE or the core of Kubuntu since 15.04, I'm
> not sure installing Kubuntu again would be the way to go. I've lost
> faith in this distribution.
>
> ---
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>
> On 2016-03-03 17:21, Patricia Campbell wrote:
> > Did you try using another CE with kbuntu if that's the distribution
> > you like it may be the easiest solution, depend what the issues are.
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Re: [MLUG] Moving away from Kubuntu 15.xx

[ravnox]

Thanks for the suggestion. I'm looking into it. So the only difference 
is that there is no systemd?


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By the way, Deevuan *is* a Debian derivative.
Most of the packages are even the Debian packages without any change.
Only a few have been modified so they work without systemd.

It's even possible to upgrade to Devuan jessie straight from Debian 
wheezy.


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Re: [MLUG] Moving away from Kubuntu 15.xx

[ravnox]

I tried Cinnamon earlier today, but the sound system is still broken. 
I've tried a few things to fix that issue, but nothing worked. I think 
it would be easier to do a fresh install at this point. Since I've had 
so many problems with either KDE or the core of Kubuntu since 15.04, I'm 
not sure installing Kubuntu again would be the way to go. I've lost 
faith in this distribution.


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On 2016-03-03 17:21, Patricia Campbell wrote:

Did you try using another CE with kbuntu if that's the distribution
you like it may be the easiest solution, depend what the issues are.


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Re: [MLUG] Moving away from Kubuntu 15.xx

[Hendrik Boom]

On Thu, Mar 03, 2016 at 04:27:21PM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 03, 2016 at 03:48:36PM -0500, rav...@arkanox.net wrote:
> > Hello everyone,
> > 
> > I'm thinking of moving away from Kubuntu. Ever since I upgraded to
> > the 15.xx branch, I've only had problems and frustrations. Today,
> > after an update, I lost the sound system. I'm not sure if this is a
> > problem with the based distribution, or if it's because of KDE and
> > Plasma 5, but I'm kind of tired of spending so much time trying to
> > fix this instead of using the system. Kubuntu 15 has been a huge
> > disappointment to me.
> > 
> > I want to stick with a Debian based distribution. I'm considering
> > Debian or Mint. Mostly, I need to be able to install the latest
> > Nvidia drivers for Steam Linux support. That's about my only
> > requirements. Well, that and a stable system. I might moved over to
> > Cinnamon instead of KDE as well.
> > 
> > Has anyone moved away to a different distribution after years of
> > using Kubuntu, and what are you using now?
> 
> Never used Kububtu.
> 
> For the past few years I've used Debian.  I've recently  switched my 
> laptop to Devuan (with xcfe as window manager) to try it out, and find 
> it works quite nicely. 
> 
> It is technicaly still an alpha release, but it seems to be more 
> reliable than a lot of commercially released software.
> 
> It's probably not what you want if you are married to Gnome 3, KDE 4, 
> or systemd.
> 
> I like it because it avoids radical, take-it-all-or-leave-it-all 
> achitectural change.

By the way, Deevuan *is* a Debian derivative.
Most of the packages are even the Debian packages without any change.
Only a few have been modified so they work without systemd.

It's even possible to upgrade to Devuan jessie straight from Debian wheezy.

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Re: [MLUG] Moving away from Kubuntu 15.xx

[Jer]

On 16-03-03 03:48 PM, rav...@arkanox.net wrote:

Hello everyone,

I'm thinking of moving away from Kubuntu. Ever since I upgraded to the 
15.xx branch, I've only had problems and frustrations. Today, after an 
update, I lost the sound system. I'm not sure if this is a problem 
with the based distribution, or if it's because of KDE and Plasma 5, 
but I'm kind of tired of spending so much time trying to fix this 
instead of using the system. Kubuntu 15 has been a huge disappointment 
to me.


I want to stick with a Debian based distribution. I'm considering 
Debian or Mint. Mostly, I need to be able to install the latest Nvidia 
drivers for Steam Linux support. That's about my only requirements. 
Well, that and a stable system. I might moved over to Cinnamon instead 
of KDE as well.


Has anyone moved away to a different distribution after years of using 
Kubuntu, and what are you using now?


--
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Never was much of a KDE user but I moved to Mint around ubuntu 12.10 and 
love it.


jeremy@zarquon ~ $ inxi -S
System:Host: zarquon Kernel: 3.19.0-32-generic x86_64 (64 bit)
   Desktop: Cinnamon 2.8.6  Distro: Linux Mint 17.3 Rosa

Jeremy
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Re: [MLUG] Moving away from Kubuntu 15.xx

[Patricia Campbell]

Did you try using another CE with kbuntu if that's the distribution you
like it may be the easiest solution, depend what the issues are.

Tricia, using my droid
Hello everyone,

I'm thinking of moving away from Kubuntu. Ever since I upgraded to the
15.xx branch, I've only had problems and frustrations. Today, after an
update, I lost the sound system. I'm not sure if this is a problem with the
based distribution, or if it's because of KDE and Plasma 5, but I'm kind of
tired of spending so much time trying to fix this instead of using the
system. Kubuntu 15 has been a huge disappointment to me.

I want to stick with a Debian based distribution. I'm considering Debian or
Mint. Mostly, I need to be able to install the latest Nvidia drivers for
Steam Linux support. That's about my only requirements. Well, that and a
stable system. I might moved over to Cinnamon instead of KDE as well.

Has anyone moved away to a different distribution after years of using
Kubuntu, and what are you using now?

--
Ravnox
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Re: [MLUG] Moving away from Kubuntu 15.xx

[cory]

I prefer a minimal xubuntu or my desktops. xfce4 makes for a nice light
weight desktop.

Cory Oldford

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Re: [MLUG] Moving away from Kubuntu 15.xx

[Hendrik Boom]

On Thu, Mar 03, 2016 at 03:48:36PM -0500, rav...@arkanox.net wrote:
> Hello everyone,
> 
> I'm thinking of moving away from Kubuntu. Ever since I upgraded to
> the 15.xx branch, I've only had problems and frustrations. Today,
> after an update, I lost the sound system. I'm not sure if this is a
> problem with the based distribution, or if it's because of KDE and
> Plasma 5, but I'm kind of tired of spending so much time trying to
> fix this instead of using the system. Kubuntu 15 has been a huge
> disappointment to me.
> 
> I want to stick with a Debian based distribution. I'm considering
> Debian or Mint. Mostly, I need to be able to install the latest
> Nvidia drivers for Steam Linux support. That's about my only
> requirements. Well, that and a stable system. I might moved over to
> Cinnamon instead of KDE as well.
> 
> Has anyone moved away to a different distribution after years of
> using Kubuntu, and what are you using now?

Never used Kububtu.

For the past few years I've used Debian.  I've recently  switched my 
laptop to Devuan (with xcfe as window manager) to try it out, and find 
it works quite nicely. 

It is technicaly still an alpha release, but it seems to be more 
reliable than a lot of commercially released software.

It's probably not what you want if you are married to Gnome 3, KDE 4, 
or systemd.

I like it because it avoids radical, take-it-all-or-leave-it-all 
achitectural change.

-- hendrik
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