Re: [MOPO] HA shipping costs
Hi Richard , could you perhaps open a dictionary from time to time and learn some new words ? something seems to have gone pretty wrong at some point in your education . Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 13:00:31 -0700 To: runbuffy...@hotmail.com From: sa...@comic-art.com Subject: Re: [MOPO] HA shipping costs what's the matter shit eater? did you expect some other response? if you want to be a scumbag asshole, you will be treated as a scumbag asshole hahahahahahahahahahaha At 11:41 PM 7/10/2015, you wrote: is that what you told your employees when they packed up 3.5 parcels an hour ? that's what i would say , hey you packed up 3.5 parcles an hour ? go fuck yourself and eat shit bitch Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 12:15:46 -0700 To: runbuffy...@hotmail.com From: sa...@comic-art.com Subject: Re: [MOPO] HA shipping costs hey Filip.. go fuck yourself do yu realize that you cost yurself a buyer when yu started acting the asshole. I wish I had known you were an asshole before I ever spent a nickel with you eat shit bitch At 07:43 AM 7/10/2015, you wrote: Richard , i very much like your ending line " thanks for reading. stop complaining " ... your post sounds like one big complaint to me , about you losing money when mailing out stuff , it's one thing to be overcharging to rip buyers off , it's another one to actually charge way below what it costs so i'm not sure i get your point here ... as for your crew , 3.5 parcels an hour ?? are you based on the moon where movements tend to be rather slowish ? Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2015 12:37:02 -0700 From: sa...@comic-art.com Subject: Re: [MOPO] HA shipping costs To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU folks.. let's get real on shipping costs. to do so, I'm going to explain what shipping is like to sellers first of all, while it does seem that buyers pay shipping costs - it isn't completely true (if it's true at all) for instance, let's say you as a buyer find something in a store for $50. You want one, but you say "let's see if I can find this cheaper on the net" you look and find one priced at $40, but the shipping cost is $10. That equals $50 and is no deal, so you keep looking. you can't find another, so you contact the seller and ask if he'll go $30, which he does, you pay $40 total, get your item. But the dealer.. he's really paying the shipping. Why? Because in order to sell you the item, he had to drop $20 from the original price, originally discounted to $40 and then custom discounted to $30. That $10 came out of the seller's sale, not from your pocket. The dealer's total discount is 40% of the "list price" the bigger problem to the dealer however is that the $10 shipping cost didn't really cover all the costs. when I get $14 to ship a package to NYC, I'm actually losing $2-4 per package! why? well a 2lb package (any package with 2 posters is over one pound) costs $11.55, so after shipping itself, there is $2.45 left for labor and materials my materials cost for a simple package: 2 pieces of cardboard @47cents (shipped to me)= 94cents. a plastic bag 16cents, a label (& ink) 42 cents. tape, order print out, maybe a flyer and then, labor. How much is labor per package - well I know as we've done all the actuarial stuff here. no person who has ever worked for me ever made more than 5 packages per hour and the average is 3.5 packages per hour. easy math, if I'm paying $10 and hour, that is $3 in labor per package. So 94+16+42+3.00= $4.52. add another 30 cents for the misc (tape etc) and you have about $4.82 in packaging costs, but you only got $2.45 to cover it. So there is a loss of $2.37 per package. It gets worse if the item is rolled as I can't put that in any of the free packaging boxes that the USPS provides. a Tube costs $1.67 shipped. Or if I have to use my own box because the Priority Mail box is too small or whatever reason. $2.37+ $1.67= $4.04 loss, per package think of doing that 50 times a week. it becomes a serious extra cost and was one of the reasons I had to stop doing a weekly auction (aside from just being enable to do that much work, even with help) International orders used to be even worse, because unless your package was shipping Priority Mail, I had to stand on line at the post office to do the mailings. Okay, here's that math = 20 mins drive to the po, 30-45min line wait & counter service (sometimes even more) and then a 20min drive back. a hour or more of my time and I couldn't send any help as I either paid with a check or my card, which an employee couldn't do and my hours are more costly than an employees. Thankfully, I finally was able to get Stamps.com installed on one computer (it only works on one computer. all others it freezes up..what a pain) so now I don't have to stand on line at all but what's m
Re: [MOPO] HA shipping costs
is that what you told your employees when they packed up 3.5 parcels an hour ? that's what i would say , hey you packed up 3.5 parcles an hour ? go fuck yourself and eat shit bitch Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 12:15:46 -0700 To: runbuffy...@hotmail.com From: sa...@comic-art.com Subject: Re: [MOPO] HA shipping costs hey Filip.. go fuck yourself do yu realize that you cost yurself a buyer when yu started acting the asshole. I wish I had known you were an asshole before I ever spent a nickel with you eat shit bitch At 07:43 AM 7/10/2015, you wrote: Richard , i very much like your ending line " thanks for reading. stop complaining " ... your post sounds like one big complaint to me , about you losing money when mailing out stuff , it's one thing to be overcharging to rip buyers off , it's another one to actually charge way below what it costs so i'm not sure i get your point here ... as for your crew , 3.5 parcels an hour ?? are you based on the moon where movements tend to be rather slowish ? Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2015 12:37:02 -0700 From: sa...@comic-art.com Subject: Re: [MOPO] HA shipping costs To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU folks.. let's get real on shipping costs. to do so, I'm going to explain what shipping is like to sellers first of all, while it does seem that buyers pay shipping costs - it isn't completely true (if it's true at all) for instance, let's say you as a buyer find something in a store for $50. You want one, but you say "let's see if I can find this cheaper on the net" you look and find one priced at $40, but the shipping cost is $10. That equals $50 and is no deal, so you keep looking. you can't find another, so you contact the seller and ask if he'll go $30, which he does, you pay $40 total, get your item. But the dealer.. he's really paying the shipping. Why? Because in order to sell you the item, he had to drop $20 from the original price, originally discounted to $40 and then custom discounted to $30. That $10 came out of the seller's sale, not from your pocket. The dealer's total discount is 40% of the "list price" the bigger problem to the dealer however is that the $10 shipping cost didn't really cover all the costs. when I get $14 to ship a package to NYC, I'm actually losing $2-4 per package! why? well a 2lb package (any package with 2 posters is over one pound) costs $11.55, so after shipping itself, there is $2.45 left for labor and materials my materials cost for a simple package: 2 pieces of cardboard @47cents (shipped to me)= 94cents. a plastic bag 16cents, a label (& ink) 42 cents. tape, order print out, maybe a flyer and then, labor. How much is labor per package - well I know as we've done all the actuarial stuff here. no person who has ever worked for me ever made more than 5 packages per hour and the average is 3.5 packages per hour. easy math, if I'm paying $10 and hour, that is $3 in labor per package. So 94+16+42+3.00= $4.52. add another 30 cents for the misc (tape etc) and you have about $4.82 in packaging costs, but you only got $2.45 to cover it. So there is a loss of $2.37 per package. It gets worse if the item is rolled as I can't put that in any of the free packaging boxes that the USPS provides. a Tube costs $1.67 shipped. Or if I have to use my own box because the Priority Mail box is too small or whatever reason. $2.37+ $1.67= $4.04 loss, per package think of doing that 50 times a week. it becomes a serious extra cost and was one of the reasons I had to stop doing a weekly auction (aside from just being enable to do that much work, even with help) International orders used to be even worse, because unless your package was shipping Priority Mail, I had to stand on line at the post office to do the mailings. Okay, here's that math = 20 mins drive to the po, 30-45min line wait & counter service (sometimes even more) and then a 20min drive back. a hour or more of my time and I couldn't send any help as I either paid with a check or my card, which an employee couldn't do and my hours are more costly than an employees. Thankfully, I finally was able to get Stamps.com installed on one computer (it only works on one computer. all others it freezes up..what a pain) so now I don't have to stand on line at all but what's my loss on international shipping? It's more than the standard loss on domestic as I must use all purchased packaging now I don't want to seem unsympathetic to buyers domestically or internationally and I understand your pain, but really when I hear people complain about shipping costs - why don't you just stick a screwdriver in my ear as the pain on my side is not much different that said, I've posted that a new auction begins on July 29th we'll have a semi-regular monthly auction, probably 8 or so auctions annuall
Re: [MOPO] HA shipping costs
Richard , i very much like your ending line " thanks for reading. stop complaining " ... your post sounds like one big complaint to me , about you losing money when mailing out stuff , it's one thing to be overcharging to rip buyers off , it's another one to actually charge way below what it costs so i'm not sure i get your point here ... as for your crew , 3.5 parcels an hour ?? are you based on the moon where movements tend to be rather slowish ? Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2015 12:37:02 -0700 From: sa...@comic-art.com Subject: Re: [MOPO] HA shipping costs To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU folks.. let's get real on shipping costs. to do so, I'm going to explain what shipping is like to sellers first of all, while it does seem that buyers pay shipping costs - it isn't completely true (if it's true at all) for instance, let's say you as a buyer find something in a store for $50. You want one, but you say "let's see if I can find this cheaper on the net" you look and find one priced at $40, but the shipping cost is $10. That equals $50 and is no deal, so you keep looking. you can't find another, so you contact the seller and ask if he'll go $30, which he does, you pay $40 total, get your item. But the dealer.. he's really paying the shipping. Why? Because in order to sell you the item, he had to drop $20 from the original price, originally discounted to $40 and then custom discounted to $30. That $10 came out of the seller's sale, not from your pocket. The dealer's total discount is 40% of the "list price" the bigger problem to the dealer however is that the $10 shipping cost didn't really cover all the costs. when I get $14 to ship a package to NYC, I'm actually losing $2-4 per package! why? well a 2lb package (any package with 2 posters is over one pound) costs $11.55, so after shipping itself, there is $2.45 left for labor and materials my materials cost for a simple package: 2 pieces of cardboard @47cents (shipped to me)= 94cents. a plastic bag 16cents, a label (& ink) 42 cents. tape, order print out, maybe a flyer and then, labor. How much is labor per package - well I know as we've done all the actuarial stuff here. no person who has ever worked for me ever made more than 5 packages per hour and the average is 3.5 packages per hour. easy math, if I'm paying $10 and hour, that is $3 in labor per package. So 94+16+42+3.00= $4.52. add another 30 cents for the misc (tape etc) and you have about $4.82 in packaging costs, but you only got $2.45 to cover it. So there is a loss of $2.37 per package. It gets worse if the item is rolled as I can't put that in any of the free packaging boxes that the USPS provides. a Tube costs $1.67 shipped. Or if I have to use my own box because the Priority Mail box is too small or whatever reason. $2.37+ $1.67= $4.04 loss, per package think of doing that 50 times a week. it becomes a serious extra cost and was one of the reasons I had to stop doing a weekly auction (aside from just being enable to do that much work, even with help) International orders used to be even worse, because unless your package was shipping Priority Mail, I had to stand on line at the post office to do the mailings. Okay, here's that math = 20 mins drive to the po, 30-45min line wait & counter service (sometimes even more) and then a 20min drive back. a hour or more of my time and I couldn't send any help as I either paid with a check or my card, which an employee couldn't do and my hours are more costly than an employees. Thankfully, I finally was able to get Stamps.com installed on one computer (it only works on one computer. all others it freezes up..what a pain) so now I don't have to stand on line at all but what's my loss on international shipping? It's more than the standard loss on domestic as I must use all purchased packaging now I don't want to seem unsympathetic to buyers domestically or internationally and I understand your pain, but really when I hear people complain about shipping costs - why don't you just stick a screwdriver in my ear as the pain on my side is not much different that said, I've posted that a new auction begins on July 29th we'll have a semi-regular monthly auction, probably 8 or so auctions annually. Auctions will all start at $9.99 or $10.00 (I believe my software does not allow cents - I have to check) and the auction will have lobby cards for Jailhouse Rock, the Outlaw and others, folded one sheets (including Jaws 1975R), promo items, and other stuff that can all ship in a single package. a further announcement will be coming after I finish photographing the 150 or so items for this auction. thanks for reading. stop complaining Rich At 08:16 AM 7/9/2015, Simon Oram wrote: Tommy, can I ask you something you mention business practice at the end o
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Thanks, David. I am pretty thick skinned so don't worry too much if my posts attract some opprobrium. At least they get the matter discussed. Tommy On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 3:59 AM, David Kusumoto wrote: > I find it totally unacceptable, which is why I have asked other MOPO > members if they have had similar experiences. Why some have a problem with > that I fail to understand. If MOPO exists to allow collectors to discuss > matters of importance to members (and they don't all live in USA) and not > simply for advertising sales, then surely the business practices of one of > the hobby’s biggest players is a matter for discussion? > > Your question, in my view, was reasonable, Tommy. At MoPo - like > elsewhere - there are fiefdoms of fans for this or that dealer - or for > this or that auction house. Unfortunately, any question that sounds > legitimate to "consumers" - which also sounds like an attack on these > disparate fiefdoms - causes some to reflexively rise to their defense, > dishing out metaphors and analogies, mixed with the occasional fact or > direct/indirect quote designed to challenge YOUR sanity, e.g., to make you > appear dim-witted, dodgy or worse for even querying the group. > > Everyone, MYSELF INCLUDED, is guilty of this from time to time, as we have > our faves and biases about who's great, who's good and who we should avoid > because of documented or confessed spotty service or bad behavior. Even > known scammers who have been dragged into courts or in the news media - > have allies on these boards. Just keep in mind that the lion's share of > contributors are merchants peddling their goods - and to be fair, most have > a lot of expertise, e.g., the recent discussion of "The Third Man" was > especially enlightening. > > But the downside of merchant dominance on public forums like MoPo is I can > only count on one hand the number of pure consumers and non-full-time > sellers who choose to contribute to MoPo REGULARLY. It's too brutal for > them because they fear being attacked by paper cuts of sarcasm. The vast > majority of MoPo's small membership are customer lurkers who are being > offended every week - whose identities I learn about via private messaging > as a consumer advocate. Even the marketing of goods, which is a primary > service provided on these boards - is fraught with controversy. If some > forum members believe it's done too frequently - or - in the eyes of some, > too flamboyantly - (as some felt Bruce H. did before he left MoPo) - this > is frowned upon, esp. benchmark-based advertising which compares merchants > with other merchants. What's common everywhere in advertising is taboo > here - yet the disapproval, in my view, is expressed most loudly - and > almost entirely by competing merchants, not consumers. -d. > > -- > Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2015 15:54:01 +0100 > From: tommymb...@gmail.com > Subject: Re: HA shipping costs > To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU > > Since March 2012, I have bought a total of 182 items from HA, ranging in > price from $16 to $621. They have obviously posted many packages to me in > that time, and mostly without any complaint on my part about shipping > costs. Recently, however, I have had cause to question the cost. The last > shipment I received was initially invoiced to me at $147.06, which I > queried. I was informed that HA had charged me at Fedex retail rate and not > their discounted rate, so the invoice was reduced to $103.25. Even so, that > was expensive for a small box of folded posters, especially considering > that the previous charge from HA was for 3 packages sent together > containing a mixture of rolled and folded (approx. 11 folded, 3 rolled > including 1 linenbacked, 3 lobby cards) for which I was charged the not > entirely unreasonable amount of $122.75. I asked that they quote me for > shipping before sending any future packages, and I received a quote > (comparing like for like) of $221.97. That was for 13 folded and 1 rolled > (linenbacked) poster, similar to that previous shipment in size but almost > $100 more. I asked for a breakdown of the cost on 20th June but received no > reply until yesterday, when I was sent exactly the same quote with no > reference to my query. (As a matter of interest, the value of the posters > in question is just over $1,000 so not, as Simon deemed to suggest, cheap > purchases.) I buy from several other U.S. dealers and have found their > postage costs to be reasonable, and certainly never as expensive as > Heritage. I have been willing to pay their shipping charges, however, as > obviously they have an attractive offer, in the same way most people are > prepared to pay their buyers’ premium even though other online poster > auctions don’t have one. In this instance, though, I find it totally > unacceptable, which is why I have asked other MOPO members if they have had > similar experiences. Why some have a problem with that I fail to > understan
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Yet another great and insightful post, David. Thank you. Jeff On Jul 9, 2015, at 7:59 PM, David Kusumoto wrote: I find it totally unacceptable, which is why I have asked other MOPO members if they have had similar experiences. Why some have a problem with that I fail to understand. If MOPO exists to allow collectors to discuss matters of importance to members (and they don't all live in USA) and not simply for advertising sales, then surely the business practices of one of the hobby’s biggest players is a matter for discussion? Your question, in my view, was reasonable, Tommy. At MoPo - like elsewhere - there are fiefdoms of fans for this or that dealer - or for this or that auction house. Unfortunately, any question that sounds legitimate to "consumers" - which also sounds like an attack on these disparate fiefdoms - causes some to reflexively rise to their defense, dishing out metaphors and analogies, mixed with the occasional fact or direct/indirect quote designed to challenge YOUR sanity, e.g., to make you appear dim-witted, dodgy or worse for even querying the group. Everyone, MYSELF INCLUDED, is guilty of this from time to time, as we have our faves and biases about who's great, who's good and who we should avoid because of documented or confessed spotty service or bad behavior. Even known scammers who have been dragged into courts or in the news media - have allies on these boards. Just keep in mind that the lion's share of contributors are merchants peddling their goods - and to be fair, most have a lot of expertise, e.g., the recent discussion of "The Third Man" was especially enlightening. But the downside of merchant dominance on public forums like MoPo is I can only count on one hand the number of pure consumers and non-full-time sellers who choose to contribute to MoPo REGULARLY. It's too brutal for them because they fear being attacked by paper cuts of sarcasm. The vast majority of MoPo's small membership are customer lurkers who are being offended every week - whose identities I learn about via private messaging as a consumer advocate. Even the marketing of goods, which is a primary service provided on these boards - is fraught with controversy. If some forum members believe it's done too frequently - or - in the eyes of some, too flamboyantly - (as some felt Bruce H. did before he left MoPo) - this is frowned upon, esp. benchmark-based advertising which compares merchants with other merchants. What's common everywhere in advertising is taboo here - yet the disapproval, in my view, is expressed most loudly - and almost entirely by competing merchants, not consumers. -d. Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2015 15:54:01 +0100 From: tommymb...@gmail.com Subject: Re: HA shipping costs To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Since March 2012, I have bought a total of 182 items from HA, ranging in price from $16 to $621. They have obviously posted many packages to me in that time, and mostly without any complaint on my part about shipping costs. Recently, however, I have had cause to question the cost. The last shipment I received was initially invoiced to me at $147.06, which I queried. I was informed that HA had charged me at Fedex retail rate and not their discounted rate, so the invoice was reduced to $103.25. Even so, that was expensive for a small box of folded posters, especially considering that the previous charge from HA was for 3 packages sent together containing a mixture of rolled and folded (approx. 11 folded, 3 rolled including 1 linenbacked, 3 lobby cards) for which I was charged the not entirely unreasonable amount of $122.75. I asked that they quote me for shipping before sending any future packages, and I received a quote (comparing like for like) of $221.97. That was for 13 folded and 1 rolled (linenbacked) poster, similar to that previous shipment in size but almost $100 more. I asked for a breakdown of the cost on 20th June but received no reply until yesterday, when I was sent exactly the same quote with no reference to my query. (As a matter of interest, the value of the posters in question is just over $1,000 so not, as Simon deemed to suggest, cheap purchases.) I buy from several other U.S. dealers and have found their postage costs to be reasonable, and certainly never as expensive as Heritage. I have been willing to pay their shipping charges, however, as obviously they have an attractive offer, in the same way most people are prepared to pay their buyers’ premium even though other online poster auctions don’t have one. In this instance, though, I find it totally unacceptable, which is why I have asked other MOPO members if they have had similar experiences. Why some have a problem with that I fail to understand. If MOPO exists to allow collectors to discuss matters of importance to members (and they don't all live in USA) and not si
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(eBay is not the only other auction house who specifies postage before the fall of the hammer.) Ah yes, Bidll is another who specifies postage costs. John Reid PO Box 92, Elanora, Qld 4221, Australia <http://www.moviemem.com/> www.moviemem.com <http://www.ozefilm.com/> www.OzeFilm.com <http://www.ozemovieposter.com/> www.OzeMoviePoster.com <http://www.ozeauction.com/> www.OzeAuction.com <http://www.bodycorporatenews.com/> www.BodyCorporateNews.com <https://www.facebook.com/moviememmovieposters?pnref=lhc> Like us on Facebook <http://stores.ebay.com.au/Daybill-Movie-Posters?_trksid=p2047675.l2563> my ebay Australia Store <http://stores.ebay.com/JOHN-REID-Original-Movie-Posters> my ebay US Store From: David [mailto:shadow@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, 10 July 2015 3:08 PM To: JOHN REID Vintage Movie Memorabilia; MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] HA shipping costs Yes I agree, they all have contract rates with their postage companies they should easily be able to provide some sort of ready reckoner/pricing table (eBay is not the only other auction house who specifies postage before the fall of the hammer.) David JOHN REID Vintage Movie Memorabilia wrote on 10/07/2015 2:58 PM: To be fair, and correct me if I am wrong, but no other movie poster auction house (except one) can tell you what the item will cost before sending should you win the auction. Perhaps they need to lift their game. If ebay can require all sellers to specify postage costs up front then why shouldn’t it happen at major auctions? On another note, at least Heritage actually has a shipping department. Some auction houses don’t ship items at all. They want international bidders but they ask the buyer to arrange postage through a third party. John Reid PO Box 92, Elanora, Qld 4221, Australia www.moviemem.com www.OzeFilm.com www.OzeMoviePoster.com www.OzeAuction.com www.BodyCorporateNews.com <https://www.facebook.com/moviememmovieposters?pnref=lhc> Like us on Facebook <http://stores.ebay.com.au/Daybill-Movie-Posters?_trksid=p2047675.l2563> my ebay Australia Store <http://stores.ebay.com/JOHN-REID-Original-Movie-Posters> my ebay US Store From: MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of David Sent: Friday, 10 July 2015 2:43 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] HA shipping costs To be fair, and correct me if I am wrong, but no other movie poster auction house (except one) can tell you what the item will cost before sending should you win the auction. But I agree in an ideal world it would be nice to know beforehand. David JOHN REID Vintage Movie Memorabilia wrote on 10/07/2015 2:03 PM: The uncertainty about international postage costs at Heritage has put me off bidding from time to time. You have to factor in the cost of postage to determine whether it is worth bidding, particularly on lower value items. If you don’t know how much postage will be prior to bidding it makes it very difficult. On higher value items it is not so important. My last two purchases have been for very large posters and postage charges for those were reasonable. I sell a heck of a lot of posters on ebay and they do things very differently there. Buyers on ebay expect full tracking and insurance plus gorilla proof packaging but they also expect very low postage charges. If you charge what is perceived as being too much for postage you get trashed in the ratings. I often lose money on postage and I’m sure other sellers are in the same position. Postage costs will continue to rise and I certainly understand that Heritage cannot be expected to lose money on postage and packaging but I would like to know how much postage will be before I bid. John Reid PO Box 92, Elanora, Qld 4221, Australia www.moviemem.com www.OzeFilm.com www.OzeMoviePoster.com www.OzeAuction.com www.BodyCorporateNews.com <https://www.facebook.com/moviememmovieposters?pnref=lhc> Like us on Facebook <http://stores.ebay.com.au/Daybill-Movie-Posters?_trksid=p2047675.l2563> my ebay Australia Store <http://stores.ebay.com/JOHN-RE
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Yes I agree, they all have contract rates with their postage companies they should easily be able to provide some sort of ready reckoner/pricing table / //(eBay is not the only other auction house who specifies postage before the fall of the hammer.)/ David JOHN REID Vintage Movie Memorabilia wrote on 10/07/2015 2:58 PM: /To be fair, and correct me if I am wrong, but no other movie poster auction house (except one) can tell you what the item will cost before sending should you win the auction./ // Perhaps they need to lift their game. If ebay can require all sellers to specify postage costs up front then why shouldn’t it happen at major auctions? On another note, at least Heritage actually has a shipping department. Some auction houses don’t ship items at all. They want international bidders but they ask the buyer to arrange postage through a third party. John Reid PO Box 92, Elanora, Qld 4221, Australia www.moviemem.com <http://www.moviemem.com/> www.OzeFilm.com <http://www.ozefilm.com/> www.OzeMoviePoster.com <http://www.ozemovieposter.com/> www.OzeAuction.com <http://www.ozeauction.com/> www.BodyCorporateNews.com <http://www.bodycorporatenews.com/> Like us on Facebook <https://www.facebook.com/moviememmovieposters?pnref=lhc> my ebay Australia Store <http://stores.ebay.com.au/Daybill-Movie-Posters?_trksid=p2047675.l2563> my ebay US Store <http://stores.ebay.com/JOHN-REID-Original-Movie-Posters> *From:*MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] *On Behalf Of *David *Sent:* Friday, 10 July 2015 2:43 PM *To:* MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU *Subject:* Re: [MOPO] HA shipping costs To be fair, and correct me if I am wrong, but no other movie poster auction house (except one) can tell you what the item will cost before sending should you win the auction. But I agree in an ideal world it would be nice to know beforehand. David JOHN REID Vintage Movie Memorabilia wrote on 10/07/2015 2:03 PM: The uncertainty about international postage costs at Heritage has put me off bidding from time to time. You have to factor in the cost of postage to determine whether it is worth bidding, particularly on lower value items. If you don’t know how much postage will be prior to bidding it makes it very difficult. On higher value items it is not so important. My last two purchases have been for very large posters and postage charges for those were reasonable. I sell a heck of a lot of posters on ebay and they do things very differently there. Buyers on ebay expect full tracking and insurance plus gorilla proof packaging but they also expect very low postage charges. If you charge what is perceived as being too much for postage you get trashed in the ratings. I often lose money on postage and I’m sure other sellers are in the same position. Postage costs will continue to rise and I certainly understand that Heritage cannot be expected to lose money on postage and packaging but I would like to know how much postage will be before I bid. John Reid PO Box 92, Elanora, Qld 4221, Australia www.moviemem.com <http://www.moviemem.com> www.OzeFilm.com <http://www.OzeFilm.com> www.OzeMoviePoster.com <http://www.OzeMoviePoster.com> www.OzeAuction.com <http://www.OzeAuction.com> www.BodyCorporateNews.com <http://www.BodyCorporateNews.com> Like us on Facebook <https://www.facebook.com/moviememmovieposters?pnref=lhc> my ebay Australia Store <http://stores.ebay.com.au/Daybill-Movie-Posters?_trksid=p2047675.l2563> my ebay US Store <http://stores.ebay.com/JOHN-REID-Original-Movie-Posters> *From:*MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] *On Behalf Of *David Kusumoto *Sent:* Friday, 10 July 2015 1:00 PM *To:* MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU <mailto:MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU> *Subject:* Re: [MOPO] HA shipping costs I find it totally unacceptable, which is why I have asked other MOPO members if they have had similar experiences. Why some have a problem with that I fail to understand. If MOPO exists to allow collectors to discuss matters of importance to members (and they don't all live in USA) and not simply for advertising sales, then surely the business practices of one of the hobby’s biggest players is a matter for discussion? Your question, in my view, was reasonable, Tommy. At MoPo - like elsewhere - there are fiefdoms of fans for this or that dealer - or for this or that auction house. Unfortunately, any question that sounds legitimate to "consumers" - which also sounds like an attack on these disparate fiefdoms - causes some to reflexively rise to their defense, dishing out metaphors and analogies, mixed with th
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To be fair, and correct me if I am wrong, but no other movie poster auction house (except one) can tell you what the item will cost before sending should you win the auction. Perhaps they need to lift their game. If ebay can require all sellers to specify postage costs up front then why shouldn’t it happen at major auctions? On another note, at least Heritage actually has a shipping department. Some auction houses don’t ship items at all. They want international bidders but they ask the buyer to arrange postage through a third party. John Reid PO Box 92, Elanora, Qld 4221, Australia <http://www.moviemem.com/> www.moviemem.com <http://www.ozefilm.com/> www.OzeFilm.com <http://www.ozemovieposter.com/> www.OzeMoviePoster.com <http://www.ozeauction.com/> www.OzeAuction.com <http://www.bodycorporatenews.com/> www.BodyCorporateNews.com <https://www.facebook.com/moviememmovieposters?pnref=lhc> Like us on Facebook <http://stores.ebay.com.au/Daybill-Movie-Posters?_trksid=p2047675.l2563> my ebay Australia Store <http://stores.ebay.com/JOHN-REID-Original-Movie-Posters> my ebay US Store From: MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of David Sent: Friday, 10 July 2015 2:43 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] HA shipping costs To be fair, and correct me if I am wrong, but no other movie poster auction house (except one) can tell you what the item will cost before sending should you win the auction. But I agree in an ideal world it would be nice to know beforehand. David JOHN REID Vintage Movie Memorabilia wrote on 10/07/2015 2:03 PM: The uncertainty about international postage costs at Heritage has put me off bidding from time to time. You have to factor in the cost of postage to determine whether it is worth bidding, particularly on lower value items. If you don’t know how much postage will be prior to bidding it makes it very difficult. On higher value items it is not so important. My last two purchases have been for very large posters and postage charges for those were reasonable. I sell a heck of a lot of posters on ebay and they do things very differently there. Buyers on ebay expect full tracking and insurance plus gorilla proof packaging but they also expect very low postage charges. If you charge what is perceived as being too much for postage you get trashed in the ratings. I often lose money on postage and I’m sure other sellers are in the same position. Postage costs will continue to rise and I certainly understand that Heritage cannot be expected to lose money on postage and packaging but I would like to know how much postage will be before I bid. John Reid PO Box 92, Elanora, Qld 4221, Australia www.moviemem.com www.OzeFilm.com www.OzeMoviePoster.com www.OzeAuction.com www.BodyCorporateNews.com <https://www.facebook.com/moviememmovieposters?pnref=lhc> Like us on Facebook <http://stores.ebay.com.au/Daybill-Movie-Posters?_trksid=p2047675.l2563> my ebay Australia Store <http://stores.ebay.com/JOHN-REID-Original-Movie-Posters> my ebay US Store From: MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of David Kusumoto Sent: Friday, 10 July 2015 1:00 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] HA shipping costs I find it totally unacceptable, which is why I have asked other MOPO members if they have had similar experiences. Why some have a problem with that I fail to understand. If MOPO exists to allow collectors to discuss matters of importance to members (and they don't all live in USA) and not simply for advertising sales, then surely the business practices of one of the hobby’s biggest players is a matter for discussion? Your question, in my view, was reasonable, Tommy. At MoPo - like elsewhere - there are fiefdoms of fans for this or that dealer - or for this or that auction house. Unfortunately, any question that sounds legitimate to "consumers" - which also sounds like an attack on these disparate fiefdoms - causes some to reflexively rise to their defense, dishing out metaphors and analogies, mixed with the occasional fact or direct/indirect quote designed to challenge YOUR sanity, e.g., to make you appear dim-witted, dodgy or worse for even querying the group. Everyone, MYSELF INCLUDED, is guilty of this from time to time, as we have our faves and biases about wh
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To be fair, and correct me if I am wrong, but no other movie poster auction house (except one) can tell you what the item will cost before sending should you win the auction. But I agree in an ideal world it would be nice to know beforehand. David JOHN REID Vintage Movie Memorabilia wrote on 10/07/2015 2:03 PM: The uncertainty about international postage costs at Heritage has put me off bidding from time to time. You have to factor in the cost of postage to determine whether it is worth bidding, particularly on lower value items. If you don’t know how much postage will be prior to bidding it makes it very difficult. On higher value items it is not so important. My last two purchases have been for very large posters and postage charges for those were reasonable. I sell a heck of a lot of posters on ebay and they do things very differently there. Buyers on ebay expect full tracking and insurance plus gorilla proof packaging but they also expect very low postage charges. If you charge what is perceived as being too much for postage you get trashed in the ratings. I often lose money on postage and I’m sure other sellers are in the same position. Postage costs will continue to rise and I certainly understand that Heritage cannot be expected to lose money on postage and packaging but I would like to know how much postage will be before I bid. John Reid PO Box 92, Elanora, Qld 4221, Australia www.moviemem.com <http://www.moviemem.com/> www.OzeFilm.com <http://www.ozefilm.com/> www.OzeMoviePoster.com <http://www.ozemovieposter.com/> www.OzeAuction.com <http://www.ozeauction.com/> www.BodyCorporateNews.com <http://www.bodycorporatenews.com/> Like us on Facebook <https://www.facebook.com/moviememmovieposters?pnref=lhc> my ebay Australia Store <http://stores.ebay.com.au/Daybill-Movie-Posters?_trksid=p2047675.l2563> my ebay US Store <http://stores.ebay.com/JOHN-REID-Original-Movie-Posters> *From:*MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] *On Behalf Of *David Kusumoto *Sent:* Friday, 10 July 2015 1:00 PM *To:* MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU *Subject:* Re: [MOPO] HA shipping costs I find it totally unacceptable, which is why I have asked other MOPO members if they have had similar experiences. Why some have a problem with that I fail to understand. If MOPO exists to allow collectors to discuss matters of importance to members (and they don't all live in USA) and not simply for advertising sales, then surely the business practices of one of the hobby’s biggest players is a matter for discussion? Your question, in my view, was reasonable, Tommy. At MoPo - like elsewhere - there are fiefdoms of fans for this or that dealer - or for this or that auction house. Unfortunately, any question that sounds legitimate to "consumers" - which also sounds like an attack on these disparate fiefdoms - causes some to reflexively rise to their defense, dishing out metaphors and analogies, mixed with the occasional fact or direct/indirect quote designed to challenge YOUR sanity, e.g., to make you appear dim-witted, dodgy or worse for even querying the group. Everyone, MYSELF INCLUDED, is guilty of this from time to time, as we have our faves and biases about who's great, who's good and who we should avoid because of documented or confessed spotty service or bad behavior. Even known scammers who have been dragged into courts or in the news media - have allies on these boards. Just keep in mind that the lion's share of contributors are merchants peddling their goods - and to be fair, most have a lot of expertise, e.g., the recent discussion of "The Third Man" was especially enlightening. But the downside of merchant dominance on public forums like MoPo is I can only count on one hand the number of pure consumers and non-full-time sellers who choose to contribute to MoPo REGULARLY. It's too brutal for them because they fear being attacked by paper cuts of sarcasm. The vast majority of MoPo's small membership are customer lurkers who are being offended every week - whose identities I learn about via private messaging as a consumer advocate. Even the marketing of goods, which is a primary service provided on these boards - is fraught with controversy. If some forum members believe it's done too frequently - or - in the eyes of some, too flamboyantly - (as some felt Bruce H. did before he left MoPo) - this is frowned upon, esp. benchmark-based advertising which compares merchants with other merchants. What's common everywhere in advertising is taboo here - yet the disapproval, in my view, is expressed most loudly - and almost entirely by competing merchants, not consumers. -d. Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2015 15:54:01 +0100 From: tommymb...@gmail.com
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The uncertainty about international postage costs at Heritage has put me off bidding from time to time. You have to factor in the cost of postage to determine whether it is worth bidding, particularly on lower value items. If you don't know how much postage will be prior to bidding it makes it very difficult. On higher value items it is not so important. My last two purchases have been for very large posters and postage charges for those were reasonable. I sell a heck of a lot of posters on ebay and they do things very differently there. Buyers on ebay expect full tracking and insurance plus gorilla proof packaging but they also expect very low postage charges. If you charge what is perceived as being too much for postage you get trashed in the ratings. I often lose money on postage and I'm sure other sellers are in the same position. Postage costs will continue to rise and I certainly understand that Heritage cannot be expected to lose money on postage and packaging but I would like to know how much postage will be before I bid. John Reid PO Box 92, Elanora, Qld 4221, Australia <http://www.moviemem.com/> www.moviemem.com <http://www.ozefilm.com/> www.OzeFilm.com <http://www.ozemovieposter.com/> www.OzeMoviePoster.com <http://www.ozeauction.com/> www.OzeAuction.com <http://www.bodycorporatenews.com/> www.BodyCorporateNews.com <https://www.facebook.com/moviememmovieposters?pnref=lhc> Like us on Facebook <http://stores.ebay.com.au/Daybill-Movie-Posters?_trksid=p2047675.l2563> my ebay Australia Store <http://stores.ebay.com/JOHN-REID-Original-Movie-Posters> my ebay US Store From: MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of David Kusumoto Sent: Friday, 10 July 2015 1:00 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] HA shipping costs I find it totally unacceptable, which is why I have asked other MOPO members if they have had similar experiences. Why some have a problem with that I fail to understand. If MOPO exists to allow collectors to discuss matters of importance to members (and they don't all live in USA) and not simply for advertising sales, then surely the business practices of one of the hobby's biggest players is a matter for discussion? Your question, in my view, was reasonable, Tommy. At MoPo - like elsewhere - there are fiefdoms of fans for this or that dealer - or for this or that auction house. Unfortunately, any question that sounds legitimate to "consumers" - which also sounds like an attack on these disparate fiefdoms - causes some to reflexively rise to their defense, dishing out metaphors and analogies, mixed with the occasional fact or direct/indirect quote designed to challenge YOUR sanity, e.g., to make you appear dim-witted, dodgy or worse for even querying the group. Everyone, MYSELF INCLUDED, is guilty of this from time to time, as we have our faves and biases about who's great, who's good and who we should avoid because of documented or confessed spotty service or bad behavior. Even known scammers who have been dragged into courts or in the news media - have allies on these boards. Just keep in mind that the lion's share of contributors are merchants peddling their goods - and to be fair, most have a lot of expertise, e.g., the recent discussion of "The Third Man" was especially enlightening. But the downside of merchant dominance on public forums like MoPo is I can only count on one hand the number of pure consumers and non-full-time sellers who choose to contribute to MoPo REGULARLY. It's too brutal for them because they fear being attacked by paper cuts of sarcasm. The vast majority of MoPo's small membership are customer lurkers who are being offended every week - whose identities I learn about via private messaging as a consumer advocate. Even the marketing of goods, which is a primary service provided on these boards - is fraught with controversy. If some forum members believe it's done too frequently - or - in the eyes of some, too flamboyantly - (as some felt Bruce H. did before he left MoPo) - this is frowned upon, esp. benchmark-based advertising which compares merchants with other merchants. What's common everywhere in advertising is taboo here - yet the disapproval, in my view, is expressed most loudly - and almost entirely by competing merchants, not consumers. -d. _ Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2015 15:54:01 +0100 From: tommymb...@gmail.com Subject: Re: HA shipping costs To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Since March 2012, I have bought a total of 182 items from HA, ranging in price from $16 to $621. They have obviously posted many packages to me in that time, and mostly without any complaint on my part about shipping costs. Recently, however, I have had cause to question the cost. The last shipment I received was initially invoiced to me at $147.06
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I find it totally unacceptable, which is why I have asked other MOPO members if they have had similar experiences. Why some have a problem with that I fail to understand. If MOPO exists to allow collectors to discuss matters of importance to members (and they don't all live in USA) and not simply for advertising sales, then surely the business practices of one of the hobby’s biggest players is a matter for discussion? Your question, in my view, was reasonable, Tommy. At MoPo - like elsewhere - there are fiefdoms of fans for this or that dealer - or for this or that auction house. Unfortunately, any question that sounds legitimate to "consumers" - which also sounds like an attack on these disparate fiefdoms - causes some to reflexively rise to their defense, dishing out metaphors and analogies, mixed with the occasional fact or direct/indirect quote designed to challenge YOUR sanity, e.g., to make you appear dim-witted, dodgy or worse for even querying the group. Everyone, MYSELF INCLUDED, is guilty of this from time to time, as we have our faves and biases about who's great, who's good and who we should avoid because of documented or confessed spotty service or bad behavior. Even known scammers who have been dragged into courts or in the news media - have allies on these boards. Just keep in mind that the lion's share of contributors are merchants peddling their goods - and to be fair, most have a lot of expertise, e.g., the recent discussion of "The Third Man" was especially enlightening. But the downside of merchant dominance on public forums like MoPo is I can only count on one hand the number of pure consumers and non-full-time sellers who choose to contribute to MoPo REGULARLY. It's too brutal for them because they fear being attacked by paper cuts of sarcasm. The vast majority of MoPo's small membership are customer lurkers who are being offended every week - whose identities I learn about via private messaging as a consumer advocate. Even the marketing of goods, which is a primary service provided on these boards - is fraught with controversy. If some forum members believe it's done too frequently - or - in the eyes of some, too flamboyantly - (as some felt Bruce H. did before he left MoPo) - this is frowned upon, esp. benchmark-based advertising which compares merchants with other merchants. What's common everywhere in advertising is taboo here - yet the disapproval, in my view, is expressed most loudly - and almost entirely by competing merchants, not consumers. -d. Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2015 15:54:01 +0100 From: tommymb...@gmail.com Subject: Re: HA shipping costs To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Since March 2012, I have bought a total of 182 items from HA, ranging in price from $16 to $621. They have obviously posted many packages to me in that time, and mostly without any complaint on my part about shipping costs. Recently, however, I have had cause to question the cost. The last shipment I received was initially invoiced to me at $147.06, which I queried. I was informed that HA had charged me at Fedex retail rate and not their discounted rate, so the invoice was reduced to $103.25. Even so, that was expensive for a small box of folded posters, especially considering that the previous charge from HA was for 3 packages sent together containing a mixture of rolled and folded (approx. 11 folded, 3 rolled including 1 linenbacked, 3 lobby cards) for which I was charged the not entirely unreasonable amount of $122.75. I asked that they quote me for shipping before sending any future packages, and I received a quote (comparing like for like) of $221.97. That was for 13 folded and 1 rolled (linenbacked) poster, similar to that previous shipment in size but almost $100 more. I asked for a breakdown of the cost on 20th June but received no reply until yesterday, when I was sent exactly the same quote with no reference to my query. (As a matter of interest, the value of the posters in question is just over $1,000 so not, as Simon deemed to suggest, cheap purchases.) I buy from several other U.S. dealers and have found their postage costs to be reasonable, and certainly never as expensive as Heritage. I have been willing to pay their shipping charges, however, as obviously they have an attractive offer, in the same way most people are prepared to pay their buyers’ premium even though other online poster auctions don’t have one. In this instance, though, I find it totally unacceptable, which is why I have asked other MOPO members if they have had similar experiences. Why some have a problem with that I fail to understand. If MOPO exists to allow collectors to discuss matters of importance to members (and they don't all live in USA) and not simply for advertising sales, then surely the business practices of one of the hobby’s biggest players is a matter for discussion? Tommy On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 3:36 PM, Helmut Hamm wrote: Am
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Rich, I have bought from you in the past and never considered your shipping costs too expensive. In general, I understand that posting to UK from USA is never going to be cheap. I am a small-time dealer myself and occasionally sell to clients in US, so appreciate the costs involved. I do not see shipping as having any profit potential but, like yourself, often take a hit on total postage costs. My initial email was about a specific company, not all US dealers, and it seems that others share my concerns with the attitude of HA in this respect. It is interesting that I have just received 2 emails from them, the first saying that they would seek confirmation of the shipping costs, the second containing a revised and substantially lower quote. Everyone can draw their own conclusions, but I will leave it at that. Tommy On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 9:38 PM, Richard Halegua Posters + Comic Art < sa...@comic-art.com> wrote: > I don't mind the clarification Helmut > > you do get a discount when buying online and it does vary per package. > however, while a single poster in a box weighs 15ozs, one you introduce a > second poster it is over 1lb which makes you pay the 2lb rate. it is rare > that I only sell one poster to any buyer. > However, using your $9.97 rate, I'm still losing money on each package if > you look at my maths. This may not have a poor affect when you're selling > items over $100, but the cheaper items - of which our hobby has more of > every day as thousands more items get pumped out every week at $1 bid (or > even just how many sell below that magical $15 poster some people stand on > their soapbox about) - still are losers in labor & costs > > clearly however you do understand the 40% discount that you are ultimately > giving when you sell that $50 poster for $30 online and I agree.. It's a > difficult price point, but again, as those thousands of items get pumped > out week-after-week under that magical $15 price point, that 40% discount > seems more onerous every day > > I can also add that for every dollar I have increased postage over the > past 10 years, my final value price for any item is reflected in that and > decreases, so it's a loser again. > > here was my favorite from 2013, for an example on how bad it can be > > I had some silent era half sheets listed in auction, as usual starting at > my 99 cents at the time > somehow, these 2 listings actually sold for just opening bid 99 cents each > and to two different bidders, one in California and one in New Jersey so > shipping $10 and shipping $14 > well these two buyers both balked at the shipping costs with the reason > "but the poster only cost 99 cents!" even though one admitted his proxy bid > was $37, the $14.99 total cost was too much. > Both buyers backed out. Interestingly, *I was going to lose money on both > sales after packing & shipping and I was the only person willing to go > through with the deals*. It's insane or inane (you choose) but at least I > got to keep both posters, one of which I later sold for $50 at Cinevent > > Rich > > At 01:15 PM 7/9/2015, Helmut Hamm wrote: > > Rich, > > I hate to contradict you, but if you buy the postage online on the USPS > website, for a 2 pd. package it's only $9.97, not $11.55. Single poster > orders should not exceed 1 pd, so for these you would pay $6.51 for > postage, if purchased online. With all due respect, but I can't see how > you're losing money here. > > As to your 40% discount example: To each his own, but if I start giving > discounts in this range, I feel I could as well replace my price tag with a > 'make offer' button. Seriously, I don't mind the occasional discount on > selected items, but 40% on a single $50 poster purchase? I'd rather have > you take your business somewhere else. > > Personally, I have decided to keep my shipping rates as simply as > possible: For up to nine folded posters, I charge a flat rate of 5 Euros in > Germany, 8 Euros to any location worldwide. For rolled posters, or larger > orders, I charge a flat 15 Euros in Europe, 20 Euros worldwide. These rates > include tracking and full insurance, and unless you require UPS or Fedex, > 20 Euros is the maximum I charge for a single order, regardless of size and > destination. > > On small orders (total weight of under 1 pd.) I make a tiny extra, > anything beyond that I lose money. I probably lose a good deal of money > this way every year, but I also get ZERO complaints about my shipping rates. > > Cheers, > > Helmut > > www.filmposter.net > > *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 09. Juli 2015 um 21:37 Uhr *Von:* "Richard > Halegua Posters + Comic Art" *An:* > MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN
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I don't mind the clarification Helmut you do get a discount when buying online and it does vary per package. however, while a single poster in a box weighs 15ozs, one you introduce a second poster it is over 1lb which makes you pay the 2lb rate. it is rare that I only sell one poster to any buyer. However, using your $9.97 rate, I'm still losing money on each package if you look at my maths. This may not have a poor affect when you're selling items over $100, but the cheaper items - of which our hobby has more of every day as thousands more items get pumped out every week at $1 bid (or even just how many sell below that magical $15 poster some people stand on their soapbox about) - still are losers in labor & costs clearly however you do understand the 40% discount that you are ultimately giving when you sell that $50 poster for $30 online and I agree.. It's a difficult price point, but again, as those thousands of items get pumped out week-after-week under that magical $15 price point, that 40% discount seems more onerous every day I can also add that for every dollar I have increased postage over the past 10 years, my final value price for any item is reflected in that and decreases, so it's a loser again. here was my favorite from 2013, for an example on how bad it can be I had some silent era half sheets listed in auction, as usual starting at my 99 cents at the time somehow, these 2 listings actually sold for just opening bid 99 cents each and to two different bidders, one in California and one in New Jersey so shipping $10 and shipping $14 well these two buyers both balked at the shipping costs with the reason "but the poster only cost 99 cents!" even though one admitted his proxy bid was $37, the $14.99 total cost was too much. Both buyers backed out. Interestingly, I was going to lose money on both sales after packing & shipping and I was the only person willing to go through with the deals. It's insane or inane (you choose) but at least I got to keep both posters, one of which I later sold for $50 at Cinevent Rich At 01:15 PM 7/9/2015, Helmut Hamm wrote: Rich, I hate to contradict you, but if you buy the postage online on the USPS website, for a 2 pd. package it's only $9.97, not $11.55. Single poster orders should not exceed 1 pd, so for these you would pay $6.51 for postage, if purchased online. With all due respect, but I can't see how you're losing money here. As to your 40% discount example: To each his own, but if I start giving discounts in this range, I feel I could as well replace my price tag with a 'make offer' button. Seriously, I don't mind the occasional discount on selected items, but 40% on a single $50 poster purchase? I'd rather have you take your business somewhere else. Personally, I have decided to keep my shipping rates as simply as possible: For up to nine folded posters, I charge a flat rate of 5 Euros in Germany, 8 Euros to any location worldwide. For rolled posters, or larger orders, I charge a flat 15 Euros in Europe, 20 Euros worldwide. These rates include tracking and full insurance, and unless you require UPS or Fedex, 20 Euros is the maximum I charge for a single order, regardless of size and destination. On small orders (total weight of under 1 pd.) I make a tiny extra, anything beyond that I lose money. I probably lose a good deal of money this way every year, but I also get ZERO complaints about my shipping rates. Cheers, Helmut www.filmposter.net Gesendet: Donnerstag, 09. Juli 2015 um 21:37 Uhr Von: "Richard Halegua Posters + Comic Art" An: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Betreff: Re: [MOPO] HA shipping costs folks.. let's get real on shipping costs. to do so, I'm going to explain what shipping is like to sellers first of all, while it does seem that buyers pay shipping costs - it isn't completely true (if it's true at all) for instance, let's say you as a buyer find something in a store for $50. You want one, but you say "let's see if I can find this cheaper on the net" you look and find one priced at $40, but the shipping cost is $10. That equals $50 and is no deal, so you keep looking. you can't find another, so you contact the seller and ask if he'll go $30, which he does, you pay $40 total, get your item. But the dealer.. he's really paying the shipping. Why? Because in order to sell you the item, he had to drop $20 from the original price, originally discounted to $40 and then custom discounted to $30. That $10 came out of the seller's sale, not from your pocket. The dealer's total discount is 40% of the "list price" the bigger problem to the dealer however is that the $10 shipping cost didn't really cover all the costs. when I get $14 to ship a package to NYC, I'm actually losi
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Rich, I hate to contradict you, but if you buy the postage online on the USPS website, for a 2 pd. package it's only $9.97, not $11.55. Single poster orders should not exceed 1 pd, so for these you would pay $6.51 for postage, if purchased online. With all due respect, but I can't see how you're losing money here. As to your 40% discount example: To each his own, but if I start giving discounts in this range, I feel I could as well replace my price tag with a 'make offer' button. Seriously, I don't mind the occasional discount on selected items, but 40% on a single $50 poster purchase? I'd rather have you take your business somewhere else. Personally, I have decided to keep my shipping rates as simply as possible: For up to nine folded posters, I charge a flat rate of 5 Euros in Germany, 8 Euros to any location worldwide. For rolled posters, or larger orders, I charge a flat 15 Euros in Europe, 20 Euros worldwide. These rates include tracking and full insurance, and unless you require UPS or Fedex, 20 Euros is the maximum I charge for a single order, regardless of size and destination. On small orders (total weight of under 1 pd.) I make a tiny extra, anything beyond that I lose money. I probably lose a good deal of money this way every year, but I also get ZERO complaints about my shipping rates. Cheers, Helmut www.filmposter.net Gesendet: Donnerstag, 09. Juli 2015 um 21:37 Uhr Von: "Richard Halegua Posters + Comic Art" An: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Betreff: Re: [MOPO] HA shipping costs folks.. let's get real on shipping costs. to do so, I'm going to explain what shipping is like to sellers first of all, while it does seem that buyers pay shipping costs - it isn't completely true (if it's true at all) for instance, let's say you as a buyer find something in a store for $50. You want one, but you say "let's see if I can find this cheaper on the net" you look and find one priced at $40, but the shipping cost is $10. That equals $50 and is no deal, so you keep looking. you can't find another, so you contact the seller and ask if he'll go $30, which he does, you pay $40 total, get your item. But the dealer.. he's really paying the shipping. Why? Because in order to sell you the item, he had to drop $20 from the original price, originally discounted to $40 and then custom discounted to $30. That $10 came out of the seller's sale, not from your pocket. The dealer's total discount is 40% of the "list price" the bigger problem to the dealer however is that the $10 shipping cost didn't really cover all the costs. when I get $14 to ship a package to NYC, I'm actually losing $2-4 per package! why? well a 2lb package (any package with 2 posters is over one pound) costs $11.55, so after shipping itself, there is $2.45 left for labor and materials my materials cost for a simple package: 2 pieces of cardboard @47cents (shipped to me)= 94cents. a plastic bag 16cents, a label (& ink) 42 cents. tape, order print out, maybe a flyer and then, labor. How much is labor per package - well I know as we've done all the actuarial stuff here. no person who has ever worked for me ever made more than 5 packages per hour and the average is 3.5 packages per hour. easy math, if I'm paying $10 and hour, that is $3 in labor per package. So 94+16+42+3.00= $4.52. add another 30 cents for the misc (tape etc) and you have about $4.82 in packaging costs, but you only got $2.45 to cover it. So there is a loss of $2.37 per package. It gets worse if the item is rolled as I can't put that in any of the free packaging boxes that the USPS provides. a Tube costs $1.67 shipped. Or if I have to use my own box because the Priority Mail box is too small or whatever reason. $2.37+ $1.67= $4.04 loss, per package think of doing that 50 times a week. it becomes a serious extra cost and was one of the reasons I had to stop doing a weekly auction (aside from just being enable to do that much work, even with help) International orders used to be even worse, because unless your package was shipping Priority Mail, I had to stand on line at the post office to do the mailings. Okay, here's that math = 20 mins drive to the po, 30-45min line wait & counter service (sometimes even more) and then a 20min drive back. a hour or more of my time and I couldn't send any help as I either paid with a check or my card, which an employee couldn't do and my hours are more costly than an employees. Thankfully, I finally was able to get Stamps.com installed on one computer (it only works on one computer. all others it freezes up..what a pain) so now I don't have to stand on line at all but what's my loss on international shipping? It's more than the standard loss on domestic as I must use all purchased packaging now I don't want to seem unsympathetic
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folks.. let's get real on shipping costs. to do so, I'm going to explain what shipping is like to sellers first of all, while it does seem that buyers pay shipping costs - it isn't completely true (if it's true at all) for instance, let's say you as a buyer find something in a store for $50. You want one, but you say "let's see if I can find this cheaper on the net" you look and find one priced at $40, but the shipping cost is $10. That equals $50 and is no deal, so you keep looking. you can't find another, so you contact the seller and ask if he'll go $30, which he does, you pay $40 total, get your item. But the dealer.. he's really paying the shipping. Why? Because in order to sell you the item, he had to drop $20 from the original price, originally discounted to $40 and then custom discounted to $30. That $10 came out of the seller's sale, not from your pocket. The dealer's total discount is 40% of the "list price" the bigger problem to the dealer however is that the $10 shipping cost didn't really cover all the costs. when I get $14 to ship a package to NYC, I'm actually losing $2-4 per package! why? well a 2lb package (any package with 2 posters is over one pound) costs $11.55, so after shipping itself, there is $2.45 left for labor and materials my materials cost for a simple package: 2 pieces of cardboard @47cents (shipped to me)= 94cents. a plastic bag 16cents, a label (& ink) 42 cents. tape, order print out, maybe a flyer and then, labor. How much is labor per package - well I know as we've done all the actuarial stuff here. no person who has ever worked for me ever made more than 5 packages per hour and the average is 3.5 packages per hour. easy math, if I'm paying $10 and hour, that is $3 in labor per package. So 94+16+42+3.00= $4.52. add another 30 cents for the misc (tape etc) and you have about $4.82 in packaging costs, but you only got $2.45 to cover it. So there is a loss of $2.37 per package. It gets worse if the item is rolled as I can't put that in any of the free packaging boxes that the USPS provides. a Tube costs $1.67 shipped. Or if I have to use my own box because the Priority Mail box is too small or whatever reason. $2.37+ $1.67= $4.04 loss, per package think of doing that 50 times a week. it becomes a serious extra cost and was one of the reasons I had to stop doing a weekly auction (aside from just being enable to do that much work, even with help) International orders used to be even worse, because unless your package was shipping Priority Mail, I had to stand on line at the post office to do the mailings. Okay, here's that math = 20 mins drive to the po, 30-45min line wait & counter service (sometimes even more) and then a 20min drive back. a hour or more of my time and I couldn't send any help as I either paid with a check or my card, which an employee couldn't do and my hours are more costly than an employees. Thankfully, I finally was able to get Stamps.com installed on one computer (it only works on one computer. all others it freezes up..what a pain) so now I don't have to stand on line at all but what's my loss on international shipping? It's more than the standard loss on domestic as I must use all purchased packaging now I don't want to seem unsympathetic to buyers domestically or internationally and I understand your pain, but really when I hear people complain about shipping costs - why don't you just stick a screwdriver in my ear as the pain on my side is not much different that said, I've posted that a new auction begins on July 29th we'll have a semi-regular monthly auction, probably 8 or so auctions annually. Auctions will all start at $9.99 or $10.00 (I believe my software does not allow cents - I have to check) and the auction will have lobby cards for Jailhouse Rock, the Outlaw and others, folded one sheets (including Jaws 1975R), promo items, and other stuff that can all ship in a single package. a further announcement will be coming after I finish photographing the 150 or so items for this auction. thanks for reading. stop complaining Rich At 08:16 AM 7/9/2015, Simon Oram wrote: Tommy, can I ask you something you mention business practice at the end of your post. Is this something that you think only applies to other people or do you think your business practices are exempt from scrutiny and public discussion? Just I find it a bit rich coming from yourself after having my one and only dealing with you, no abuse intended but I was waiting for you to produce the big smoking gun or did you want everybody else to do it for you before you had your say. Simon From: <mailto:tommymb...@gmail.com>Tommy Barr Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 3:54 PM To: <mailto:MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU>MoPo-L@LISTSERV.A
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At the end of the day, and I ask this in all innocence, surely it is better to complain to HA rather than simply ignore the problem or stop doing business with them? Would they not prefer to keep clients rather than lose them by having a seemingly unfair international shipping charge, or are they just too big to care? Tommy On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 5:53 PM, filip de volder wrote: > Helmut , If you get overcharged then you should let them know , it's easy > , you receive an item , you can figure out what the packing costs , you can > check with the carrier used with their rates what they actually paid and > there's some handlingcosts that can be added , if that's way under what > they charged you then you can ask a refund , if they refuse then you > tell the seller to fuck off and never buy from them again , there's a lack > of fuck offs in the world today anyway . > the shipping rip off is like what was common in grocery and butcher > stores before the digital weightscales appeared , there was a lot of > boogiewoogie with the weights ... > > > filip > > > -- > Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2015 16:36:31 +0200 > From: texasmu...@web.de > Subject: Re: [MOPO] HA shipping costs > To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU > > > Am 09.07.2015 um 13:28 schrieb Simon Oram : > > Look Heritage's shipping charges for the weekly slots are expensive for > overseas buyers on cheap items or items that you thought you got for a > bargain price , so move on and don't buy from them anymore or better still > set up an address in the US to get all your stuff sent there, if you can. > > What more do want? > > > Simon, > > with all due respect, but I also had my grievances with Heritage's > shipping department in the past… Several years ago, they had GREAT rates > with Fedex, two-day international delivery, for less money than USPS > Priority Mail. > > Unfortunately, the Heritage shipping department was repeatedly unable to > give me ANY estimate upfront. Nobody over there was able or willing to tell > me, what the best option for my deliveries would've been. In consequence, I > had to make a blind choice, and pay whatever they charged me. > > I mean, we're not talking about a couple of bucks here: Take a $10 poster > purchase, with buyer's premium you're at roughly $25, add $40 for shipping > and 19% import tax, you end up paying $77 for what started out as a $10 > poster. > > In consequence, I complete gave up bidding on low-key items with Heritage, > since they usually ended up costing me WAY too much money. > > On a related topic: I guess I am somewhat sensitive about shipping costs, > but I still have to see the reason why so many ebay sellers feel they are > untitled to grant themselves a substantial premium for shipping outside the > US. None of those guys would dare to charge $25 for a domestic package, > that costs them $5 to ship, yet they have no hesitation to charge $40 for > an international package, that costs less than $20 to ship. > > Also, the common shipping option I see listed is Priority Mail > International. For most of my incoming packages, that's a waste of money. > It DOES take an extra click on the USPS website to find the cost for First > Class Mail International, and one more click to choose the free 'delivery > confirmation' option, which will provide full tracking all the way to > Germany. Then again, why go the extra mile and ship for $20, when you can > make your buyer pay $40 and ship Priority? > > Helmut > > -- > > To unsubscribe from the MoPo-L list, click the following link: > https://listserv.american.edu/scripts/wa-american.exe?SUBED1=MoPo-L&A=1 > > -- > > To unsubscribe from the MoPo-L list, click the following link: > https://listserv.american.edu/scripts/wa-american.exe?SUBED1=MoPo-L&A=1 > Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
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Helmut , If you get overcharged then you should let them know , it's easy , you receive an item , you can figure out what the packing costs , you can check with the carrier used with their rates what they actually paid and there's some handlingcosts that can be added , if that's way under what they charged you then you can ask a refund , if they refuse then you tell the seller to fuck off and never buy from them again , there's a lack of fuck offs in the world today anyway . the shipping rip off is like what was common in grocery and butcher stores before the digital weightscales appeared , there was a lot of boogiewoogie with the weights ... filip Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2015 16:36:31 +0200 From: texasmu...@web.de Subject: Re: [MOPO] HA shipping costs To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Am 09.07.2015 um 13:28 schrieb Simon Oram :Look Heritage's shipping charges for the weekly slots are expensive for overseas buyers on cheap items or items that you thought you got for a bargain price , so move on and don't buy from them anymore or better still set up an address in the US to get all your stuff sent there, if you can. What more do want? Simon, with all due respect, but I also had my grievances with Heritage's shipping department in the past… Several years ago, they had GREAT rates with Fedex, two-day international delivery, for less money than USPS Priority Mail. Unfortunately, the Heritage shipping department was repeatedly unable to give me ANY estimate upfront. Nobody over there was able or willing to tell me, what the best option for my deliveries would've been. In consequence, I had to make a blind choice, and pay whatever they charged me. I mean, we're not talking about a couple of bucks here: Take a $10 poster purchase, with buyer's premium you're at roughly $25, add $40 for shipping and 19% import tax, you end up paying $77 for what started out as a $10 poster. In consequence, I complete gave up bidding on low-key items with Heritage, since they usually ended up costing me WAY too much money. On a related topic: I guess I am somewhat sensitive about shipping costs, but I still have to see the reason why so many ebay sellers feel they are untitled to grant themselves a substantial premium for shipping outside the US. None of those guys would dare to charge $25 for a domestic package, that costs them $5 to ship, yet they have no hesitation to charge $40 for an international package, that costs less than $20 to ship. Also, the common shipping option I see listed is Priority Mail International. For most of my incoming packages, that's a waste of money. It DOES take an extra click on the USPS website to find the cost for First Class Mail International, and one more click to choose the free 'delivery confirmation' option, which will provide full tracking all the way to Germany. Then again, why go the extra mile and ship for $20, when you can make your buyer pay $40 and ship Priority? Helmut To unsubscribe from the MoPo-L list, click the following link: https://listserv.american.edu/scripts/wa-american.exe?SUBED1=MoPo-L&A=1 Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
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I am in the process of building my poster website for the collection I have acquired over the past 42 years. David Rew in Australia is building it for me and we have discussed the shipping issues, especially international shipping, at length. I have also consulted other poster dealers for their input. I opened a small ebay store about a year ago as a precursor to the website so that many of my fellow collectors and current framing clients would be aware that I am now in the process of selling the collection. I only allowed for domestic shipping. I have had several requests for international shipping have obliged those buyers but let them know in advance that the shipping was high. For instance, shipping a tube with minimal insurance to England is about $50-$55 via the post office. I just shipped a presskit to Australia, with $300 insurance and it was $66. That wasn't with any fancy shipping just the minimum the post office required to get it there insured. It would have been even more if I use my FedEx account with which I get a sizable discount because I ship about 40-50 boxes of frames per day. As a collector, I have always concerned myself with the shipping and have to take that into consideration when I purchase a poster from whomever. That is the overall cost of the poster. As a shipper, I can say one thing that customers don't take into consideration is the labor and materials involved in the shipping process. Tubes and boxes aren't cheap and, for many big companies, multiple employees have to work the shipping department. Even at minimum wage, employee salaries and matching taxes is expensive. I'm not trying to justify the shipping costs, I'm just trying to add a bit of info that can also drive up the cost. Most sellers have that cost billed into the price of the poster or the price of doing business. But I can see, especially with smaller dealers, that can be tough. With more and more people selling posters, and more and more collectors making lower offers for the posters (not in the auction arena, but regular websites), the seller has to charge whatever the shipping is to him. Just because a large seller or company charges $10 to ship your poster doesn't mean that is what it is costing them. In most cases it's more but the sale price of the poster offsets that a bit. I have had people who buy from me on Ebay ask me why it's $12 to ship a poster when someone else is $8. I explain that I ship the poster fully insured and via FedEx and that it will actually cost me closer to $15+ for the actual shipping charges, not to mention the cost of the tube and packaging. I am not a poster shipping expert and can only speak due to the number of boxes I ship per day of frames and those boxes are very expensive. For instance, we charge $24.95 to ship a one sheet from California to New York and the actual shipping is closer to $30 and the cost of the custom box with packing materials is almost $5, but if I charged what it actually cost me to ship that box, no one would believe me. So, shipping is a major issue in our hobby. The bottom line is that, no matter the venue you use for shipping, it is very costly and going up all the time, especially with the post office, whom I feel is trying to catch up to FedEx and UPS...just my thoughts.. Sue Hollywood Poster Frames Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2015 12:48:34 +0100 From: tommymb...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MOPO] HA shipping costs To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Exactly what I was talking about. Why does Simon feel the need to abuse me and make assumptions without any evidence to back it up? On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 12:28 PM, Simon Oram wrote: Look Tommy, what do you want out of people? You sound aggrieved that only Michael answered your question, isn't that enough or do you want repeats? Look Heritage's shipping charges for the weekly slots are expensive for overseas buyers on cheap items or items that you thought you got for a bargain price , so move on and don't buy from them anymore or better still set up an address in the US to get all your stuff sent there, if you can. What more do want? Simon Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. From: Tommy BarrSent: Thursday, 9 July 2015 11:25To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.
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Sorry, Simon, but exactly what was our business dealing? I honestly cannot recall ever doing business with you, but now that you have decided to bring the matter up in open forum I think it only fair you state exactly what you are talking about. It is quite obvious from your exchanges that your main interest lies in in scoring points against me than discussing the actual matter in hand, so can you please let everyone, including me, know why? Tommy On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 4:16 PM, Simon Oram wrote: > Tommy, > > can I ask you something you mention business practice at the end of your > post. Is this something that you think only applies to other people or do > you think your business practices are exempt from scrutiny and public > discussion? Just I find it a bit rich coming from yourself after having my > one and only dealing with you, no abuse intended but I was waiting for you > to produce the big smoking gun or did you want everybody else to do it for > you before you had your say. > > Simon > *From:* Tommy Barr > *Sent:* Thursday, July 09, 2015 3:54 PM > *To:* MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU > *Subject:* Re: [MOPO] HA shipping costs > > > Since March 2012, I have bought a total of 182 items from HA, ranging in > price from $16 to $621. They have obviously posted many packages to me in > that time, and mostly without any complaint on my part about shipping > costs. Recently, however, I have had cause to question the cost. The last > shipment I received was initially invoiced to me at $147.06, which I > queried. I was informed that HA had charged me at Fedex retail rate and not > their discounted rate, so the invoice was reduced to $103.25. Even so, that > was expensive for a small box of folded posters, especially considering > that the previous charge from HA was for 3 packages sent together > containing a mixture of rolled and folded (approx. 11 folded, 3 rolled > including 1 linenbacked, 3 lobby cards) for which I was charged the not > entirely unreasonable amount of $122.75. I asked that they quote me for > shipping before sending any future packages, and I received a quote > (comparing like for like) of $221.97. That was for 13 folded and 1 rolled > (linenbacked) poster, similar to that previous shipment in size but almost > $100 more. I asked for a breakdown of the cost on 20th June but received no > reply until yesterday, when I was sent exactly the same quote with no > reference to my query. (As a matter of interest, the value of the posters > in question is just over $1,000 so not, as Simon deemed to suggest, cheap > purchases.) I buy from several other U.S. dealers and have found their > postage costs to be reasonable, and certainly never as expensive as > Heritage. I have been willing to pay their shipping charges, however, as > obviously they have an attractive offer, in the same way most people are > prepared to pay their buyers’ premium even though other online poster > auctions don’t have one. In this instance, though, I find it totally > unacceptable, which is why I have asked other MOPO members if they have had > similar experiences. Why some have a problem with that I fail to > understand. If MOPO exists to allow collectors to discuss matters of > importance to members (and they don't all live in USA) and not simply for > advertising sales, then surely the business practices of one of the hobby’s > biggest players is a matter for discussion? > > > > Tommy > > On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 3:36 PM, Helmut Hamm wrote: > >> >> Am 09.07.2015 um 13:28 schrieb Simon Oram : >> >> Look Heritage's shipping charges for the weekly slots are expensive for >> overseas buyers on cheap items or items that you thought you got for a >> bargain price , so move on and don't buy from them anymore or better still >> set up an address in the US to get all your stuff sent there, if you can. >> What more do want? >> >> >> Simon, >> >> with all due respect, but I also had my grievances with Heritage's >> shipping department in the past… Several years ago, they had GREAT rates >> with Fedex, two-day international delivery, for less money than USPS >> Priority Mail. >> >> Unfortunately, the Heritage shipping department was repeatedly unable to >> give me ANY estimate upfront. Nobody over there was able or willing to tell >> me, what the best option for my deliveries would've been. In consequence, I >> had to make a blind choice, and pay whatever they charged me. >> >> I mean, we're not talking about a couple of bucks here: Take a $10 poster >> purchase, with buyer's premium you're at roughly $25, add $40 for shipping >> and 19% import tax, you end
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Tommy, can I ask you something you mention business practice at the end of your post. Is this something that you think only applies to other people or do you think your business practices are exempt from scrutiny and public discussion? Just I find it a bit rich coming from yourself after having my one and only dealing with you, no abuse intended but I was waiting for you to produce the big smoking gun or did you want everybody else to do it for you before you had your say. Simon From: Tommy Barr Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 3:54 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] HA shipping costs Since March 2012, I have bought a total of 182 items from HA, ranging in price from $16 to $621. They have obviously posted many packages to me in that time, and mostly without any complaint on my part about shipping costs. Recently, however, I have had cause to question the cost. The last shipment I received was initially invoiced to me at $147.06, which I queried. I was informed that HA had charged me at Fedex retail rate and not their discounted rate, so the invoice was reduced to $103.25. Even so, that was expensive for a small box of folded posters, especially considering that the previous charge from HA was for 3 packages sent together containing a mixture of rolled and folded (approx. 11 folded, 3 rolled including 1 linenbacked, 3 lobby cards) for which I was charged the not entirely unreasonable amount of $122.75. I asked that they quote me for shipping before sending any future packages, and I received a quote (comparing like for like) of $221.97. That was for 13 folded and 1 rolled (linenbacked) poster, similar to that previous shipment in size but almost $100 more. I asked for a breakdown of the cost on 20th June but received no reply until yesterday, when I was sent exactly the same quote with no reference to my query. (As a matter of interest, the value of the posters in question is just over $1,000 so not, as Simon deemed to suggest, cheap purchases.) I buy from several other U.S. dealers and have found their postage costs to be reasonable, and certainly never as expensive as Heritage. I have been willing to pay their shipping charges, however, as obviously they have an attractive offer, in the same way most people are prepared to pay their buyers’ premium even though other online poster auctions don’t have one. In this instance, though, I find it totally unacceptable, which is why I have asked other MOPO members if they have had similar experiences. Why some have a problem with that I fail to understand. If MOPO exists to allow collectors to discuss matters of importance to members (and they don't all live in USA) and not simply for advertising sales, then surely the business practices of one of the hobby’s biggest players is a matter for discussion? Tommy On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 3:36 PM, Helmut Hamm wrote: Am 09.07.2015 um 13:28 schrieb Simon Oram : Look Heritage's shipping charges for the weekly slots are expensive for overseas buyers on cheap items or items that you thought you got for a bargain price , so move on and don't buy from them anymore or better still set up an address in the US to get all your stuff sent there, if you can.What more do want? Simon, with all due respect, but I also had my grievances with Heritage's shipping department in the past… Several years ago, they had GREAT rates with Fedex, two-day international delivery, for less money than USPS Priority Mail. Unfortunately, the Heritage shipping department was repeatedly unable to give me ANY estimate upfront. Nobody over there was able or willing to tell me, what the best option for my deliveries would've been. In consequence, I had to make a blind choice, and pay whatever they charged me. I mean, we're not talking about a couple of bucks here: Take a $10 poster purchase, with buyer's premium you're at roughly $25, add $40 for shipping and 19% import tax, you end up paying $77 for what started out as a $10 poster. In consequence, I complete gave up bidding on low-key items with Heritage, since they usually ended up costing me WAY too much money. On a related topic: I guess I am somewhat sensitive about shipping costs, but I still have to see the reason why so many ebay sellers feel they are untitled to grant themselves a substantial premium for shipping outside the US. None of those guys would dare to charge $25 for a domestic package, that costs them $5 to ship, yet they have no hesitation to charge $40 for an international package, that costs less than $20 to ship. Also, the common shipping option I see listed is Priority Mail International. For most of my incoming packages, that's a waste of money. It DOES take an extra click on the USPS website to find the cost for First Class Mail International, and one more click to choose the free 'delivery confirmation'
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Helmut, yes I seem to remember you mentioning this before, as for me I would only bid at Heritage for an item I really wanted now because shipping charges are excessive. Personally I moved on I voted with my pocket not with my mouth, that is until now. Simon From: Helmut Hamm Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 3:36 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] HA shipping costs Am 09.07.2015 um 13:28 schrieb Simon Oram : Look Heritage's shipping charges for the weekly slots are expensive for overseas buyers on cheap items or items that you thought you got for a bargain price , so move on and don't buy from them anymore or better still set up an address in the US to get all your stuff sent there, if you can.What more do want? Simon, with all due respect, but I also had my grievances with Heritage's shipping department in the past… Several years ago, they had GREAT rates with Fedex, two-day international delivery, for less money than USPS Priority Mail. Unfortunately, the Heritage shipping department was repeatedly unable to give me ANY estimate upfront. Nobody over there was able or willing to tell me, what the best option for my deliveries would've been. In consequence, I had to make a blind choice, and pay whatever they charged me. I mean, we're not talking about a couple of bucks here: Take a $10 poster purchase, with buyer's premium you're at roughly $25, add $40 for shipping and 19% import tax, you end up paying $77 for what started out as a $10 poster. In consequence, I complete gave up bidding on low-key items with Heritage, since they usually ended up costing me WAY too much money. On a related topic: I guess I am somewhat sensitive about shipping costs, but I still have to see the reason why so many ebay sellers feel they are untitled to grant themselves a substantial premium for shipping outside the US. None of those guys would dare to charge $25 for a domestic package, that costs them $5 to ship, yet they have no hesitation to charge $40 for an international package, that costs less than $20 to ship. Also, the common shipping option I see listed is Priority Mail International. For most of my incoming packages, that's a waste of money. It DOES take an extra click on the USPS website to find the cost for First Class Mail International, and one more click to choose the free 'delivery confirmation' option, which will provide full tracking all the way to Germany. Then again, why go the extra mile and ship for $20, when you can make your buyer pay $40 and ship Priority? Helmut To unsubscribe from the MoPo-L list, click the following link: https://listserv.american.edu/scripts/wa-american.exe?SUBED1=MoPo-L&A=1 Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
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Since March 2012, I have bought a total of 182 items from HA, ranging in price from $16 to $621. They have obviously posted many packages to me in that time, and mostly without any complaint on my part about shipping costs. Recently, however, I have had cause to question the cost. The last shipment I received was initially invoiced to me at $147.06, which I queried. I was informed that HA had charged me at Fedex retail rate and not their discounted rate, so the invoice was reduced to $103.25. Even so, that was expensive for a small box of folded posters, especially considering that the previous charge from HA was for 3 packages sent together containing a mixture of rolled and folded (approx. 11 folded, 3 rolled including 1 linenbacked, 3 lobby cards) for which I was charged the not entirely unreasonable amount of $122.75. I asked that they quote me for shipping before sending any future packages, and I received a quote (comparing like for like) of $221.97. That was for 13 folded and 1 rolled (linenbacked) poster, similar to that previous shipment in size but almost $100 more. I asked for a breakdown of the cost on 20th June but received no reply until yesterday, when I was sent exactly the same quote with no reference to my query. (As a matter of interest, the value of the posters in question is just over $1,000 so not, as Simon deemed to suggest, cheap purchases.) I buy from several other U.S. dealers and have found their postage costs to be reasonable, and certainly never as expensive as Heritage. I have been willing to pay their shipping charges, however, as obviously they have an attractive offer, in the same way most people are prepared to pay their buyers’ premium even though other online poster auctions don’t have one. In this instance, though, I find it totally unacceptable, which is why I have asked other MOPO members if they have had similar experiences. Why some have a problem with that I fail to understand. If MOPO exists to allow collectors to discuss matters of importance to members (and they don't all live in USA) and not simply for advertising sales, then surely the business practices of one of the hobby’s biggest players is a matter for discussion? Tommy On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 3:36 PM, Helmut Hamm wrote: > > Am 09.07.2015 um 13:28 schrieb Simon Oram : > > Look Heritage's shipping charges for the weekly slots are expensive for > overseas buyers on cheap items or items that you thought you got for a > bargain price , so move on and don't buy from them anymore or better still > set up an address in the US to get all your stuff sent there, if you can. > > What more do want? > > > Simon, > > with all due respect, but I also had my grievances with Heritage's > shipping department in the past… Several years ago, they had GREAT rates > with Fedex, two-day international delivery, for less money than USPS > Priority Mail. > > Unfortunately, the Heritage shipping department was repeatedly unable to > give me ANY estimate upfront. Nobody over there was able or willing to tell > me, what the best option for my deliveries would've been. In consequence, I > had to make a blind choice, and pay whatever they charged me. > > I mean, we're not talking about a couple of bucks here: Take a $10 poster > purchase, with buyer's premium you're at roughly $25, add $40 for shipping > and 19% import tax, you end up paying $77 for what started out as a $10 > poster. > > In consequence, I complete gave up bidding on low-key items with Heritage, > since they usually ended up costing me WAY too much money. > > On a related topic: I guess I am somewhat sensitive about shipping costs, > but I still have to see the reason why so many ebay sellers feel they are > untitled to grant themselves a substantial premium for shipping outside the > US. None of those guys would dare to charge $25 for a domestic package, > that costs them $5 to ship, yet they have no hesitation to charge $40 for > an international package, that costs less than $20 to ship. > > Also, the common shipping option I see listed is Priority Mail > International. For most of my incoming packages, that's a waste of money. > It DOES take an extra click on the USPS website to find the cost for First > Class Mail International, and one more click to choose the free 'delivery > confirmation' option, which will provide full tracking all the way to > Germany. Then again, why go the extra mile and ship for $20, when you can > make your buyer pay $40 and ship Priority? > > Helmut > > -- > > To unsubscribe from the MoPo-L list, click the following link: > https://listserv.american.edu/scripts/wa-american.exe?SUBED1=MoPo-L&A=1 > Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu
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> Am 08.07.2015 um 23:42 schrieb David : > > I recently received a 1SH tube from HA (to Sydney, Australia) that cost $71, > I also received a tube (slightly smaller) from EMP that, if I had chosen a > like with like postal service, would have cost $66. > > Postage costs, they is what they is. > > David David, postage costs, they is what they is, IF YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT THEM. One way of saving your buyers a load of money is to avoid those ridiculously heavy Yazoo-tubes. Of course they are strong, but they also weigh a ton. Of your $70 shipping, $25 to $30 was probably owed to the heavy shipping tube alone. They may be good for domestic transportation, where weight is not overly important, but for international deliveries, there are excellent alternatives, that provide necessary strength at a fraction of the weight. Helmut Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
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> > Am 09.07.2015 um 13:28 schrieb Simon Oram : > > Look Heritage's shipping charges for the weekly slots are expensive for > overseas buyers on cheap items or items that you thought you got for a > bargain price , so move on and don't buy from them anymore or better still > set up an address in the US to get all your stuff sent there, if you can. > > What more do want? Simon, with all due respect, but I also had my grievances with Heritage's shipping department in the past… Several years ago, they had GREAT rates with Fedex, two-day international delivery, for less money than USPS Priority Mail. Unfortunately, the Heritage shipping department was repeatedly unable to give me ANY estimate upfront. Nobody over there was able or willing to tell me, what the best option for my deliveries would've been. In consequence, I had to make a blind choice, and pay whatever they charged me. I mean, we're not talking about a couple of bucks here: Take a $10 poster purchase, with buyer's premium you're at roughly $25, add $40 for shipping and 19% import tax, you end up paying $77 for what started out as a $10 poster. In consequence, I complete gave up bidding on low-key items with Heritage, since they usually ended up costing me WAY too much money. On a related topic: I guess I am somewhat sensitive about shipping costs, but I still have to see the reason why so many ebay sellers feel they are untitled to grant themselves a substantial premium for shipping outside the US. None of those guys would dare to charge $25 for a domestic package, that costs them $5 to ship, yet they have no hesitation to charge $40 for an international package, that costs less than $20 to ship. Also, the common shipping option I see listed is Priority Mail International. For most of my incoming packages, that's a waste of money. It DOES take an extra click on the USPS website to find the cost for First Class Mail International, and one more click to choose the free 'delivery confirmation' option, which will provide full tracking all the way to Germany. Then again, why go the extra mile and ship for $20, when you can make your buyer pay $40 and ship Priority? Helmut Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
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Exactly what I was talking about. Why does Simon feel the need to abuse me and make assumptions without any evidence to back it up? On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 12:28 PM, Simon Oram wrote: > Look Tommy, what do you want out of people? You sound aggrieved that only > Michael answered your question, isn't that enough or do you want repeats? > > Look Heritage's shipping charges for the weekly slots are expensive for > overseas buyers on cheap items or items that you thought you got for a > bargain price , so move on and don't buy from them anymore or better still > set up an address in the US to get all your stuff sent there, if you can. > > What more do want? > > Simon > > Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. > *From: *Tommy Barr > *Sent: *Thursday, 9 July 2015 11:25 > *To: *MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU > *Reply To: *Tommy Barr > *Subject: *Re: [MOPO] HA shipping costs > > Thanks to Michael for responding to my query. I will provide fuller > details of my grievances in due course, but in the meantime feel obliged to > deal with some of the other comments. I have no wish to cause offence here > but it is possible that offence will be taken - if that is the case my > apologies in advance, but I do not want to start a slanging match. > I asked anyone with international shipping from HA to get in touch with > me, and so far only Michael has. He has what he perceives to be a genuine > grievance, yet others with apparently no direct experience of the issue in > hand seem very willing to accuse him of bellyaching unjustly about shipping > costs, which might prevent others with similar problems from contributing. > I have noted during my relatively short time as a MOPO member that there is > a tendency to revere Heritage in general and Grey Smith in particular. The > latter certainly seems to have friends and allies on the site. I do not > know Mr Smith apart from exchanging some emails, but he is the director of > a very influential and successful auction house, so deserves some respect. > That does not, however, exempt Heritage from criticism, and I think > international shipping is one area where there is, to say the least, some > confusion. As I said, more on that later, but in the meantime all I ask is > that the matter is allowed to be aired fairly and without prejudice. > > Tommy > > On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 10:58 PM, Michael Greenwood > wrote: > >> >> Just to be clear, my cheapness is just that...it's not a condition that >> results in me thinking that everyone should honour the International >> shipping charges of six years ago or something. I know that shipping is >> expensive and I buy with it in mind. Almost all my records are now ordered >> through a shop in Toronto and I drive down once a month and grab them. Gas >> costs $ too, but not as much as shipping. Plus I see friends and have a >> nice meal! Ones I cannot source through them must be shipped and I deal >> with it or I don't get the album. However, I do try to make the shipping >> count and try to get as many records as I can (under a certain weight) if I >> am shipping. It takes work, this saving money! >> >> I'm only chiming in on my experiences...the original post wasn't explicit >> in what they were looking for as far as experience with Heritage but I >> thought I'd throw this out. >> >> M >> >> -- >> *From:* MoPo List on behalf of Todd < >> toddfeier...@msn.com> >> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 8, 2015 5:50 PM >> *To:* MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU >> *Subject:* Re: [MOPO] HA shipping costs >> >> >> Michael, et al: >> >> I don't like to be ripped off for shipping either and when selling on >> ebay, I ONLY charge the ACTUAL SHIPPING CHARGE and don't charge for >> materials or handling. >> >> And for shipping outside the U.S., I'm happy to remove the Global >> Shipping Program option or sell directly. >> >> Todd >> >> -- >> Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2015 16:32:18 -0500 >> From: movieartaus...@gmail.com >> Subject: Re: [MOPO] HA shipping costs >> To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU >> >> Michael, et al: >> >> I think that people in general still think that shipping is cheap; it >> isn’t. >> >> Kirby >> >> On Jul 8, 2015, at 4:24 PM, Michael Greenwood >> wrote: >> >> >> Hello >> >> I'm writing because I've recently had an issue and it's something that's >> happened before so I thought I'd air it out and this shouldn't be read as
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Look Tommy, what do you want out of people? You sound aggrieved that only Michael answered your question, isn't that enough or do you want repeats?Look Heritage's shipping charges for the weekly slots are expensive for overseas buyers on cheap items or items that you thought you got for a bargain price , so move on and don't buy from them anymore or better still set up an address in the US to get all your stuff sent there, if you can.What more do want?SimonSent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.From: Tommy BarrSent: Thursday, 9 July 2015 11:25To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDUReply To: Tommy BarrSubject: Re: [MOPO] HA shipping costsThanks to Michael for responding to my query. I will provide fuller details of my grievances in due course, but in the meantime feel obliged to deal with some of the other comments. I have no wish to cause offence here but it is possible that offence will be taken - if that is the case my apologies in advance, but I do not want to start a slanging match. I asked anyone with international shipping from HA to get in touch with me, and so far only Michael has. He has what he perceives to be a genuine grievance, yet others with apparently no direct experience of the issue in hand seem very willing to accuse him of bellyaching unjustly about shipping costs, which might prevent others with similar problems from contributing. I have noted during my relatively short time as a MOPO member that there is a tendency to revere Heritage in general and Grey Smith in particular. The latter certainly seems to have friends and allies on the site. I do not know Mr Smith apart from exchanging some emails, but he is the director of a very influential and successful auction house, so deserves some respect. That does not, however, exempt Heritage from criticism, and I think international shipping is one area where there is, to say the least, some confusion. As I said, more on that later, but in the meantime all I ask is that the matter is allowed to be aired fairly and without prejudice.TommyOn Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 10:58 PM, Michael Greenwood <newswan...@hotmail.com> wrote: Just to be clear, my cheapness is just that...it's not a condition that results in me thinking that everyone should honour the International shipping charges of six years ago or something. I know that shipping is expensive and I buy with it in mind. Almost all my records are now ordered through a shop in Toronto and I drive down once a month and grab them. Gas costs $ too, but not as much as shipping. Plus I see friends and have a nice meal! Ones I cannot source through them must be shipped and I deal with it or I don't get the album. However, I do try to make the shipping count and try to get as many records as I can (under a certain weight) if I am shipping. It takes work, this saving money! I'm only chiming in on my experiences...the original post wasn't explicit in what they were looking for as far as experience with Heritage but I thought I'd throw this out. M From: MoPo List <mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU> on behalf of Todd <toddfeier...@msn.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 5:50 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] HA shipping costs Michael, et al: I don't like to be ripped off for shipping either and when selling on ebay, I ONLY charge the ACTUAL SHIPPING CHARGE and don't charge for materials or handling. And for shipping outside the U.S., I'm happy to remove the Global Shipping Program option or sell directly. Todd Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2015 16:32:18 -0500 From: movieartaus...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MOPO] HA shipping costs To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Michael, et al: I think that people in general still think that shipping is cheap; it isn’t. Kirby On Jul 8, 2015, at 4:24 PM, Michael Greenwood <newswan...@hotmail.com> wrote: Hello I'm writing because I've recently had an issue and it's something that's happened before so I thought I'd air it out and this shouldn't be read as Heritage bashing or anything too mean. I'm in Canada and the last five years has seen a tremendous jump in International shipping and especially from the US. I also collect records so I was very used to being able to estimate shipping for most standard orders
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Thanks to Michael for responding to my query. I will provide fuller details of my grievances in due course, but in the meantime feel obliged to deal with some of the other comments. I have no wish to cause offence here but it is possible that offence will be taken - if that is the case my apologies in advance, but I do not want to start a slanging match. I asked anyone with international shipping from HA to get in touch with me, and so far only Michael has. He has what he perceives to be a genuine grievance, yet others with apparently no direct experience of the issue in hand seem very willing to accuse him of bellyaching unjustly about shipping costs, which might prevent others with similar problems from contributing. I have noted during my relatively short time as a MOPO member that there is a tendency to revere Heritage in general and Grey Smith in particular. The latter certainly seems to have friends and allies on the site. I do not know Mr Smith apart from exchanging some emails, but he is the director of a very influential and successful auction house, so deserves some respect. That does not, however, exempt Heritage from criticism, and I think international shipping is one area where there is, to say the least, some confusion. As I said, more on that later, but in the meantime all I ask is that the matter is allowed to be aired fairly and without prejudice. Tommy On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 10:58 PM, Michael Greenwood wrote: > > Just to be clear, my cheapness is just that...it's not a condition that > results in me thinking that everyone should honour the International > shipping charges of six years ago or something. I know that shipping is > expensive and I buy with it in mind. Almost all my records are now ordered > through a shop in Toronto and I drive down once a month and grab them. Gas > costs $ too, but not as much as shipping. Plus I see friends and have a > nice meal! Ones I cannot source through them must be shipped and I deal > with it or I don't get the album. However, I do try to make the shipping > count and try to get as many records as I can (under a certain weight) if I > am shipping. It takes work, this saving money! > > I'm only chiming in on my experiences...the original post wasn't explicit > in what they were looking for as far as experience with Heritage but I > thought I'd throw this out. > > M > > -- > *From:* MoPo List on behalf of Todd < > toddfeier...@msn.com> > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 8, 2015 5:50 PM > *To:* MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU > *Subject:* Re: [MOPO] HA shipping costs > > > Michael, et al: > > I don't like to be ripped off for shipping either and when selling on > ebay, I ONLY charge the ACTUAL SHIPPING CHARGE and don't charge for > materials or handling. > > And for shipping outside the U.S., I'm happy to remove the Global Shipping > Program option or sell directly. > > Todd > > -- > Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2015 16:32:18 -0500 > From: movieartaus...@gmail.com > Subject: Re: [MOPO] HA shipping costs > To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU > > Michael, et al: > > I think that people in general still think that shipping is cheap; it > isn’t. > > Kirby > > On Jul 8, 2015, at 4:24 PM, Michael Greenwood > wrote: > > > Hello > > I'm writing because I've recently had an issue and it's something that's > happened before so I thought I'd air it out and this shouldn't be read as > Heritage bashing or anything too mean. > > I'm in Canada and the last five years has seen a tremendous jump in > International shipping and especially from the US. I also collect records > so I was very used to being able to estimate shipping for most standard > orders of both forms of posters (rolled/flat) and records until the $ > starting getting nuts. > > My first problem came when I found out that Heritage would no longer hold > items beyond a maximum of three invoices. This was never how it had been > for all the time I was buying there and had become used to and there was no > warning of this and, at the time, I had amassed a good collection of stuff > I wanted to ship as I always had...in one bulk go. It saves me a lot of > money that I can continue to spend on paper rather than stamps. I started > getting a bunch of shipping invoices as my stuff was filing out of Dallas > three invoices at a time. It was going to cost me around $500 to ship all > my paper so I freaked out and called them to stop. I had bought many > posters that were cheap simply due to the fact that I knew (or thought I > did) that they would be shipped along with the cream of the crop at little > extra charge but now that the rules had chan
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Sure wish Rich would stop publishing my emails to him... Richard Halegua Comic Art wrote on 9/07/2015 10:44 AM: Buyer: Hey how much is that poster in the window Seller: 5000 $ Buyer: Five Thousand! That's at least $1500 more than I've ever seen it sell for and $1000 more than I was hoping to pay!*! Seller: Well that's the price Buyer: Okay.. I'll take it and just figure the extra thousand is so I can have it. can yu ship it to me in L.A. Seller: Sure.. It will cost $20 to ship it to your home Buyer: WHAT?!? THAT'S $10 MORE THAN IT SHOULD COST TO SHIP IT TO ME.. YOU'RE RIPPING ME OFF Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
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Buyer: Hey how much is that poster in the window Seller: 5000 $ Buyer: Five Thousand! That's at least $1500 more than I've ever seen it sell for and $1000 more than I was hoping to pay!*! Seller: Well that's the price Buyer: Okay.. I'll take it and just figure the extra thousand is so I can have it. can yu ship it to me in L.A. Seller: Sure.. It will cost $20 to ship it to your home Buyer: WHAT?!? THAT'S $10 MORE THAN IT SHOULD COST TO SHIP IT TO ME.. YOU'RE RIPPING ME OFF Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
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Just to be clear, my cheapness is just that...it's not a condition that results in me thinking that everyone should honour the International shipping charges of six years ago or something. I know that shipping is expensive and I buy with it in mind. Almost all my records are now ordered through a shop in Toronto and I drive down once a month and grab them. Gas costs $ too, but not as much as shipping. Plus I see friends and have a nice meal! Ones I cannot source through them must be shipped and I deal with it or I don't get the album. However, I do try to make the shipping count and try to get as many records as I can (under a certain weight) if I am shipping. It takes work, this saving money! I'm only chiming in on my experiences...the original post wasn't explicit in what they were looking for as far as experience with Heritage but I thought I'd throw this out. M From: MoPo List on behalf of Todd Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 5:50 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] HA shipping costs Michael, et al: I don't like to be ripped off for shipping either and when selling on ebay, I ONLY charge the ACTUAL SHIPPING CHARGE and don't charge for materials or handling. And for shipping outside the U.S., I'm happy to remove the Global Shipping Program option or sell directly. Todd Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2015 16:32:18 -0500 From: movieartaus...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MOPO] HA shipping costs To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Michael, et al: I think that people in general still think that shipping is cheap; it isn’t. Kirby On Jul 8, 2015, at 4:24 PM, Michael Greenwood mailto:newswan...@hotmail.com>> wrote: Hello I'm writing because I've recently had an issue and it's something that's happened before so I thought I'd air it out and this shouldn't be read as Heritage bashing or anything too mean. I'm in Canada and the last five years has seen a tremendous jump in International shipping and especially from the US. I also collect records so I was very used to being able to estimate shipping for most standard orders of both forms of posters (rolled/flat) and records until the $ starting getting nuts. My first problem came when I found out that Heritage would no longer hold items beyond a maximum of three invoices. This was never how it had been for all the time I was buying there and had become used to and there was no warning of this and, at the time, I had amassed a good collection of stuff I wanted to ship as I always had...in one bulk go. It saves me a lot of money that I can continue to spend on paper rather than stamps. I started getting a bunch of shipping invoices as my stuff was filing out of Dallas three invoices at a time. It was going to cost me around $500 to ship all my paper so I freaked out and called them to stop. I had bought many posters that were cheap simply due to the fact that I knew (or thought I did) that they would be shipped along with the cream of the crop at little extra charge but now that the rules had changed, I'd have to rethink those buys and I was considering re-consigning them rather than ship them as it was way too expensive to consider. Thankfully Grey got involved and helped iron some stuff out and gave me a bit of an extra break in invoice shipping when I explained my predicament...I don't hold him responsible, naturally. It seems that what worked fine before no longer does and all I can guess is that more shipments out means more handling/material fees...more money for Heritage. Unless there is a reasonable explanation for the change I haven't been made aware of. But my most recent issues have come from me alerting Heritage that I want my items shipped and them sending them in two different shipments. I understand that rolled are rolled and flat are flat but the old Heritage understood how to put tubes in boxes and ship in one piece with ease. This is important in Canada as excise taxes are a reality as are brokerage fees and two packages incur two charges at the USPS end as well...costs that can be drastically cut by combining the items. Then extra customs processing equals extra fees and, again, I am spending more of my money on less posters. And I ask that they be shipped in one package and I am not consulted when they just ship it in two rather than contact me and work out how to do it, as I'd wish. On top of all that complaining (I am super cheap when it comes to costs OUTSIDE of the paper I want) I do want to point out that Heritage is by far the most expensive of the four main auctions that I regularly follow. They charge both handling fees and fees for materials and they are not cheap. I complain and I always hope that a sympathetic Heritage employee will just up and confess that they are what I assu
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Michael, et al: I don't like to be ripped off for shipping either and when selling on ebay, I ONLY charge the ACTUAL SHIPPING CHARGE and don't charge for materials or handling. And for shipping outside the U.S., I'm happy to remove the Global Shipping Program option or sell directly. Todd Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2015 16:32:18 -0500 From: movieartaus...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MOPO] HA shipping costs To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Michael, et al: I think that people in general still think that shipping is cheap; it isn’t. Kirby On Jul 8, 2015, at 4:24 PM, Michael Greenwood wrote:Hello I'm writing because I've recently had an issue and it's something that's happened before so I thought I'd air it out and this shouldn't be read as Heritage bashing or anything too mean. I'm in Canada and the last five years has seen a tremendous jump in International shipping and especially from the US. I also collect records so I was very used to being able to estimate shipping for most standard orders of both forms of posters (rolled/flat) and records until the $ starting getting nuts. My first problem came when I found out that Heritage would no longer hold items beyond a maximum of three invoices. This was never how it had been for all the time I was buying there and had become used to and there was no warning of this and, at the time, I had amassed a good collection of stuff I wanted to ship as I always had...in one bulk go. It saves me a lot of money that I can continue to spend on paper rather than stamps. I started getting a bunch of shipping invoices as my stuff was filing out of Dallas three invoices at a time. It was going to cost me around $500 to ship all my paper so I freaked out and called them to stop. I had bought many posters that were cheap simply due to the fact that I knew (or thought I did) that they would be shipped along with the cream of the crop at little extra charge but now that the rules had changed, I'd have to rethink those buys and I was considering re-consigning them rather than ship them as it was way too expensive to consider. Thankfully Grey got involved and helped iron some stuff out and gave me a bit of an extra break in invoice shipping when I explained my predicament...I don't hold him responsible, naturally. It seems that what worked fine before no longer does and all I can guess is that more shipments out means more handling/material fees...more money for Heritage. Unless there is a reasonable explanation for the change I haven't been made aware of. But my most recent issues have come from me alerting Heritage that I want my items shipped and them sending them in two different shipments. I understand that rolled are rolled and flat are flat but the old Heritage understood how to put tubes in boxes and ship in one piece with ease. This is important in Canada as excise taxes are a reality as are brokerage fees and two packages incur two charges at the USPS end as well...costs that can be drastically cut by combining the items. Then extra customs processing equals extra fees and, again, I am spending more of my money on less posters. And I ask that they be shipped in one package and I am not consulted when they just ship it in two rather than contact me and work out how to do it, as I'd wish. On top of all that complaining (I am super cheap when it comes to costs OUTSIDE of the paper I want) I do want to point out that Heritage is by far the most expensive of the four main auctions that I regularly follow. They charge both handling fees and fees for materials and they are not cheap. I complain and I always hope that a sympathetic Heritage employee will just up and confess that they are what I assume they are...a greedy corporation trying to roughly yank every cent from my wallet in any and every way that they can...but nobody answering my emails has offered that as an explanation so they just kinda quote figures and such and remain kinda vague as to why my directions are ignored and I have to pay for it. Rich, Bruce and Peter all hold items for me for reasonable times and/or amounts. I am eternally grateful for this (and for Heritage's efforts in this too!) as it makes a really big difference now that International shipping is almost ridiculous. Bruce charges very little for materials and no handling that I know of. I don't detect any excessive charges from Rich either and Peter is just completely remarkable...give lots of business too all these people and maybe if enough people complain, we can bring these other, more serious capitalists around to helping the guys who help them exist to keep supporting them. Thanks, M From: MoPo List on behalf of Tommy Barr Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 12:55 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: [MOPO] HA shipping costs Hi fellow Mopoers, Some of you must buy from Herit
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I recently received a 1SH tube from HA (to Sydney, Australia) that cost $71, I also received a tube (slightly smaller) from EMP that, if I had chosen a /like with like/ postal service, would have cost $66. Postage costs, they is what they is. David Tommy Barr wrote on 9/07/2015 2:55 AM: Hi fellow Mopoers, Some of you must buy from Heritage Auctions but not live in USA, and I would be interested in hearing from you regarding the amount they charge for shipping to your destination. Tommy Barr To unsubscribe from the MoPo-L list, click the following link: https://listserv.american.edu/scripts/wa-american.exe?SUBED1=MoPo-L&A=1 Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
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Michael, et al: I think that people in general still think that shipping is cheap; it isn’t. Kirby > On Jul 8, 2015, at 4:24 PM, Michael Greenwood wrote: > > > Hello > > I'm writing because I've recently had an issue and it's something that's > happened before so I thought I'd air it out and this shouldn't be read as > Heritage bashing or anything too mean. > > I'm in Canada and the last five years has seen a tremendous jump in > International shipping and especially from the US. I also collect records so > I was very used to being able to estimate shipping for most standard orders > of both forms of posters (rolled/flat) and records until the $ starting > getting nuts. > > My first problem came when I found out that Heritage would no longer hold > items beyond a maximum of three invoices. This was never how it had been for > all the time I was buying there and had become used to and there was no > warning of this and, at the time, I had amassed a good collection of stuff I > wanted to ship as I always had...in one bulk go. It saves me a lot of money > that I can continue to spend on paper rather than stamps. I started getting > a bunch of shipping invoices as my stuff was filing out of Dallas three > invoices at a time. It was going to cost me around $500 to ship all my paper > so I freaked out and called them to stop. I had bought many posters that > were cheap simply due to the fact that I knew (or thought I did) that they > would be shipped along with the cream of the crop at little extra charge but > now that the rules had changed, I'd have to rethink those buys and I was > considering re-consigning them rather than ship them as it was way too > expensive to consider. Thankfully Grey got involved and helped iron some > stuff out and gave me a bit of an extra break in invoice shipping when I > explained my predicament...I don't hold him responsible, naturally. It seems > that what worked fine before no longer does and all I can guess is that more > shipments out means more handling/material fees...more money for Heritage. > Unless there is a reasonable explanation for the change I haven't been made > aware of. > > But my most recent issues have come from me alerting Heritage that I want my > items shipped and them sending them in two different shipments. I understand > that rolled are rolled and flat are flat but the old Heritage understood how > to put tubes in boxes and ship in one piece with ease. This is important in > Canada as excise taxes are a reality as are brokerage fees and two packages > incur two charges at the USPS end as well...costs that can be drastically cut > by combining the items. Then extra customs processing equals extra fees and, > again, I am spending more of my money on less posters. And I ask that they > be shipped in one package and I am not consulted when they just ship it in > two rather than contact me and work out how to do it, as I'd wish. > > On top of all that complaining (I am super cheap when it comes to costs > OUTSIDE of the paper I want) I do want to point out that Heritage is by far > the most expensive of the four main auctions that I regularly follow. They > charge both handling fees and fees for materials and they are not cheap. I > complain and I always hope that a sympathetic Heritage employee will just up > and confess that they are what I assume they are...a greedy corporation > trying to roughly yank every cent from my wallet in any and every way that > they can...but nobody answering my emails has offered that as an explanation > so they just kinda quote figures and such and remain kinda vague as to why my > directions are ignored and I have to pay for it. > > Rich, Bruce and Peter all hold items for me for reasonable times and/or > amounts. I am eternally grateful for this (and for Heritage's efforts in > this too!) as it makes a really big difference now that International > shipping is almost ridiculous. Bruce charges very little for materials and > no handling that I know of. I don't detect any excessive charges from Rich > either and Peter is just completely remarkable...give lots of business too > all these people and maybe if enough people complain, we can bring these > other, more serious capitalists around to helping the guys who help them > exist to keep supporting them. > > Thanks, > M > > > > > From: MoPo List <mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU>> on behalf of Tommy Barr > mailto:tommymb...@gmail.com>> > Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 12:55 PM > To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU <mailto:MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU> > Subject
Re: [MOPO] HA shipping costs
Hello I'm writing because I've recently had an issue and it's something that's happened before so I thought I'd air it out and this shouldn't be read as Heritage bashing or anything too mean. I'm in Canada and the last five years has seen a tremendous jump in International shipping and especially from the US. I also collect records so I was very used to being able to estimate shipping for most standard orders of both forms of posters (rolled/flat) and records until the $ starting getting nuts. My first problem came when I found out that Heritage would no longer hold items beyond a maximum of three invoices. This was never how it had been for all the time I was buying there and had become used to and there was no warning of this and, at the time, I had amassed a good collection of stuff I wanted to ship as I always had...in one bulk go. It saves me a lot of money that I can continue to spend on paper rather than stamps. I started getting a bunch of shipping invoices as my stuff was filing out of Dallas three invoices at a time. It was going to cost me around $500 to ship all my paper so I freaked out and called them to stop. I had bought many posters that were cheap simply due to the fact that I knew (or thought I did) that they would be shipped along with the cream of the crop at little extra charge but now that the rules had changed, I'd have to rethink those buys and I was considering re-consigning them rather than ship them as it was way too expensive to consider. Thankfully Grey got involved and helped iron some stuff out and gave me a bit of an extra break in invoice shipping when I explained my predicament...I don't hold him responsible, naturally. It seems that what worked fine before no longer does and all I can guess is that more shipments out means more handling/material fees...more money for Heritage. Unless there is a reasonable explanation for the change I haven't been made aware of. But my most recent issues have come from me alerting Heritage that I want my items shipped and them sending them in two different shipments. I understand that rolled are rolled and flat are flat but the old Heritage understood how to put tubes in boxes and ship in one piece with ease. This is important in Canada as excise taxes are a reality as are brokerage fees and two packages incur two charges at the USPS end as well...costs that can be drastically cut by combining the items. Then extra customs processing equals extra fees and, again, I am spending more of my money on less posters. And I ask that they be shipped in one package and I am not consulted when they just ship it in two rather than contact me and work out how to do it, as I'd wish. On top of all that complaining (I am super cheap when it comes to costs OUTSIDE of the paper I want) I do want to point out that Heritage is by far the most expensive of the four main auctions that I regularly follow. They charge both handling fees and fees for materials and they are not cheap. I complain and I always hope that a sympathetic Heritage employee will just up and confess that they are what I assume they are...a greedy corporation trying to roughly yank every cent from my wallet in any and every way that they can...but nobody answering my emails has offered that as an explanation so they just kinda quote figures and such and remain kinda vague as to why my directions are ignored and I have to pay for it. Rich, Bruce and Peter all hold items for me for reasonable times and/or amounts. I am eternally grateful for this (and for Heritage's efforts in this too!) as it makes a really big difference now that International shipping is almost ridiculous. Bruce charges very little for materials and no handling that I know of. I don't detect any excessive charges from Rich either and Peter is just completely remarkable...give lots of business too all these people and maybe if enough people complain, we can bring these other, more serious capitalists around to helping the guys who help them exist to keep supporting them. Thanks, M From: MoPo List on behalf of Tommy Barr Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 12:55 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: [MOPO] HA shipping costs Hi fellow Mopoers, Some of you must buy from Heritage Auctions but not live in USA, and I would be interested in hearing from you regarding the amount they charge for shipping to your destination. Tommy Barr To unsubscribe from the MoPo-L list, click the following link: https://listserv.american.edu/scripts/wa-american.exe?SUBED1=MoPo-L&A=1 Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List
[MOPO] HA shipping costs
Hi fellow Mopoers, Some of you must buy from Heritage Auctions but not live in USA, and I would be interested in hearing from you regarding the amount they charge for shipping to your destination. Tommy Barr Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
