Re: PGP signing (newbie)
Will Yardley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shawn McMahon wrote: If you object to my signatures, procmail is easily capable of routing all of my emails to /dev/null. the issue wasn't a personal accusation. you're welcome to sign (or not sign) your emails as you wish. in any event, the intent was not to start a flamewar here, or suggest that you stop signing your mails, but simply to present another opinion to the original poster. I'd just like to hear, why signing PGP for mails going to mailing lists is not so wanted thing to do? And yes, I agree 100% - let's not start a flamewar or anything. The whole thing is, that I'm a newbie to the whole Pretty Good Privacy and GnuPG, so it started to interest me, especially in email use. That's why I originally posted a question in mutt-user, as I was unable to get it working in Mutt. But yeah - what is so bad in PGP signed mails in mailing lists? -- Jussi Ekholm | A Elbereth Gilthoniel, silivren penna míriel i Adanedhel| o menel aglar elenath! Na-chaered palan-díriel [EMAIL PROTECTED]| o galadhremmin ennorath, Fanuilos le linnathon http://ekhowl.goa-head.org | nef aear, sí nef aearon msg25963/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: PGP signing (newbie)
* Jussi Ekholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-03-24 13:01:00 +0200]: I'd just like to hear, why signing PGP for mails going to mailing lists is not so wanted thing to do? And yes, I agree 100% - let's not start a flamewar or anything. The whole thing is, that I'm a newbie to the whole Pretty Good Privacy and GnuPG, so it started to interest me, especially in email use. That's why I originally posted a question in mutt-user, as I was unable to get it working in Mutt. But yeah - what is so bad in PGP signed mails in mailing lists? If you didn't want to start a flamewar, I'm fear, you asked the wrong question ;-) Just look in the archiv, there must be some threads discussing this question. Nicolas
Re: Encrypting my outgoing messages to myself for fcc
begin quoting what Robert Conde said on Sat, Mar 23, 2002 at 11:20:46PM -0500: When I send a pgp encrypted message to someone, I can't read it in my fcc folder. I set the fcc_clear variable so that the FCC is stored unencrypted. I read in some FAQ that it's possible to configure Mutt Before you decide to do this, keep in mind the tradeoff you're making. If someone breaks your PGP secret keyring passphrase, or gets a court order to make you cough it up, they'll be able to read every encrypted message you've ever sent. For some people that's acceptable, for some it isn't. msg25965/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: PGP signing (newbie)
Nicolas Rachinsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Jussi Ekholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-03-24 13:01:00 +0200]: But yeah - what is so bad in PGP signed mails in mailing lists? If you didn't want to start a flamewar, I'm fear, you asked the wrong question ;-) Well, that wasn't my intention at all - so, I'll withdraw my question then. :-) And I already discussed about it with one person in private, so I think things are clear now, and... Just look in the archiv, there must be some threads discussing this question. ...after I've done this, I'll be wiser. Or, then not. ;-) -- Jussi Ekholm | A Elbereth Gilthoniel, silivren penna míriel i Adanedhel| o menel aglar elenath! Na-chaered palan-díriel [EMAIL PROTECTED]| o galadhremmin ennorath, Fanuilos le linnathon http://ekhowl.goa-head.org | nef aear, sí nef aearon
Re: dead links - send mail!
* Thomas E. Dickey [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-03-22 15:41]: this page contains a long-obsolete link for ncurses (has not been active for about 6 years): http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/mutt/ indeed. I did not notice since noone told me. *grin* I have removed the link now. I would assume that it is not a currently maintained page, since some of the other information on it is not correct, but the header has a pointer to mutt 1.3.x ... it *do* maintain my pages.. and if you find more dead links then just send me an email. :-) Sven -- Sven [EMAIL PROTECTED] MUTT SITES http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/mutt/sites.html Who is using mutt? Where is mutt installed? Join the list!
switching setups (was: defining a command)
* David T-G [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-03-22 12:45]: macro pager ,@r13on enter-commandset display_filter=$HOME/local/bin/rot13;macro pager \\cx ,@r13off 'Toggle ROT13 decoding'\ndisplay-toggle-weeddisplay-toggle-weed macro pager ,@r13off enter-commandset display_filter=;macro pager \\cx ,@r13on 'Toggle ROT13 decoding'\ndisplay-toggle-weeddisplay-toggle-weed macro pager \cx ,@r13on 'Toggle ROT13 decoding' (set nowrap - there.. better. :-) macro pager ON :source mutt-setup.on\n macro pager OFF :source mutt-setup.off\n nuff said. Sven [uses this technique to switch between POP hosts] -- set pop_host=pop.gmx.de set pop_delete=yes # set pop_pass=secret set pop_user=[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mailers with scripting/setup language
* Rocco Rutte [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-03-22 01:40]: At least connditionals are absolutely missing in mutt's config file functionality. .. and also missing with setup files for elm, pine, outlook, ... Btw: which mailers *have* a setup language? ok - emacs. any else? Sven
spaghetti threads
Hi! Is anyone else having trouble with threads that look like spaghetti? The following is from one of my mail boxes: 5 L Mar 23 [EMAIL PROTECTED] willing slave 6 L Mar 23 Artur Grabowski |-- 7 L Mar 23 Morten Liebach | |-- 8 L Mar 23 Robert Urban| |- 9 L Mar 23 Justin Honold| |-- 10 L Mar 23 Theo de Raadt| |-- 11 L Mar 23 Jeremy Kuhnash||-- 12 L Mar 23 ecoli |-* 13 L Mar 23 Matt Westfall a.k.a. Erkdog |-- 14 L Mar 23 shrimpcookie |-- Obviously I cannot draw the threads, so I used the |. That's not the problem, it's the lack of alignment - the thread is *never* aligned. I think perhaps I have changed some setting and screwed it all up without meaning to, but I don't know what. All thread variables are as default in the Muttrc file, the only things I have set are: set sort=threads set strict_threads=no Oh yeah, it's Mutt 1.3.27i, +HAVE_COLOR and +HAVE_CURS_SET. Anyone know what I'm doing wrong? Thanks for any help, jmc.
Re: spaghetti threads
On Sun, Mar 24, 2002 at 02:51:28PM +, jmc wrote: Hi! Is anyone else having trouble with threads that look like spaghetti? The following is from one of my mail boxes: 5 L Mar 23 [EMAIL PROTECTED] willing slave 6 L Mar 23 Artur Grabowski |-- 7 L Mar 23 Morten Liebach | |-- 8 L Mar 23 Robert Urban| |- 9 L Mar 23 Justin Honold| |-- 10 L Mar 23 Theo de Raadt| |-- 11 L Mar 23 Jeremy Kuhnash||-- 12 L Mar 23 ecoli |-* 13 L Mar 23 Matt Westfall a.k.a. Erkdog |-- 14 L Mar 23 shrimpcookie |-- Obviously I cannot draw the threads, so I used the |. That's not the problem, it's the lack of alignment - the thread is *never* aligned. I think perhaps I have changed some setting and screwed it all up without meaning to, but I don't know what. some problem with locale perhaps (when one part of the program doesn't keep track properly of how many cells an accented character takes up). The picture you show doesn't quite look like a problem with tab expansion, though that's also something to look for. All thread variables are as default in the Muttrc file, the only things I have set are: set sort=threads set strict_threads=no Oh yeah, it's Mutt 1.3.27i, +HAVE_COLOR and +HAVE_CURS_SET. well, with HAVE_CURS_SET, that sounds like curses or ncurses. I don't see any clues about version or platform. -- Thomas E. Dickey [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net
Re: spaghetti threads
On Sun, Mar 24, 2002 at 10:12:20AM -0500, Thomas Dickey wrote: On Sun, Mar 24, 2002 at 02:51:28PM +, jmc wrote: Hi! Is anyone else having trouble with threads that look like spaghetti? The following is from one of my mail boxes: 5 L Mar 23 [EMAIL PROTECTED] willing slave 6 L Mar 23 Artur Grabowski |-- 7 L Mar 23 Morten Liebach | |-- 8 L Mar 23 Robert Urban| |- 9 L Mar 23 Justin Honold| |-- 10 L Mar 23 Theo de Raadt| |-- 11 L Mar 23 Jeremy Kuhnash||-- 12 L Mar 23 ecoli |-* 13 L Mar 23 Matt Westfall a.k.a. Erkdog |-- 14 L Mar 23 shrimpcookie |-- Obviously I cannot draw the threads, so I used the |. That's not the problem, it's the lack of alignment - the thread is *never* aligned. I think perhaps I have changed some setting and screwed it all up without meaning to, but I don't know what. some problem with locale perhaps (when one part of the program doesn't keep track properly of how many cells an accented character takes up). The picture you show doesn't quite look like a problem with tab expansion, though that's also something to look for. All thread variables are as default in the Muttrc file, the only things I have set are: set sort=threads set strict_threads=no Oh yeah, it's Mutt 1.3.27i, +HAVE_COLOR and +HAVE_CURS_SET. well, with HAVE_CURS_SET, that sounds like curses or ncurses. I don't see any clues about version or platform. Sorry, it's running on GNU/Linux, no platform :-) Home made. Ncurses version 5.2. I really don't know anything about locale, I simply run the machine at UCT, and always compile with --disable-nls, because I only use US_English settings. If it's relevant I also have -LOCALES_HACK. Also I never had this problem running Mutt 1.2.25i, it's only since running 1.3.27i that it's started although my libc was upgraded about the same time. Tab expansion? Sorry, I don't follow. How could I check? Thanks for your reply, if you have any other thoughts or need any more info. I'd be happy to hear them. Ta, jmc.
Re: spaghetti threads
On Sun, Mar 24, 2002 at 03:33:19PM +, jmc wrote: Sorry, it's running on GNU/Linux, no platform :-) Home made. Ncurses version 5.2. I really don't know anything about locale, I simply run the machine at UCT, and always compile with --disable-nls, because I only use US_English settings. If it's relevant I also have -LOCALES_HACK. Also I never had this problem running Mutt 1.2.25i, it's only since running 1.3.27i that it's started although my libc was upgraded about the same time. Tab expansion? Sorry, I don't follow. How could I check? that's simpler to see (but less likely). ncurses can be configured to send tab characters (making some optimizations a little better), but not all terminals/drivers are setup properly. I'd just run mutt in 'script' and see if the resulting typescript has tab characters (that would tell me if I might want to look further, e.g., if tabs are expanded at every 8th column). diagnosing a problem with the locale stuff is harder to see where to start... Thanks for your reply, if you have any other thoughts or need any more info. I'd be happy to hear them. Ta, jmc. -- Thomas E. Dickey [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net
Re: spaghetti threads
On Sun, Mar 24, 2002 at 10:45:01AM -0500, Thomas Dickey wrote:
On Sun, Mar 24, 2002 at 03:33:19PM +, jmc wrote:
Tab expansion? Sorry, I don't follow. How could I check?
that's simpler to see (but less likely). ncurses can be configured to send
tab characters (making some optimizations a little better), but not all
terminals/drivers are setup properly. I'd just run mutt in 'script' and
see if the resulting typescript has tab characters (that would tell me if
I might want to look further, e.g., if tabs are expanded at every 8th column).
diagnosing a problem with the locale stuff is harder to see where to start...
Thomas,
wanting to verify that Mutt 1.2.25 does not have this problem, I rebuilt
it to check. And it *does* have the problem. So I removed all my muttrc
files, and everything returned to normal!
After some experimentation I discovered the reason for my problem:
set index_format=%2C %Z %{%b %d} %F %s
%F needs to be changed to %-15.15F.
My fault! Many thanks for your time and help,
jmc.
Re: different hooks for Email/Usenet - nntp patch vs BCC?
* Sven Guckes [EMAIL PROTECTED], 2002-03-22 20:31 -0500: * Andre Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-03-18 15:51]: Can't you BCC all messages to one address, and filter with procmail? that's what I'm doing :) The problem is, when I post news (nntp-patch), I don't want a Bcc header. well, does this BCC header get posted, too? if not then I don't a problem.. *shrug* Sven Indirectly: To: undisclosed recipients ; is generated, but no mail is sent. -Andre msg25975/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
ignore command does not seem to work
This is really weird. I have the following lines in my muttrc: ignore * unignore date from: reply-to to cc subject x- list user-agent ignore x-status x-uid x-keywords x-accept-language x-imagebase x-fid ignore x-mailer x-priority x-fid x-fver x-fit x-fcol x-fcat x-fdis ignore x-extensions x-bg x-bgt x-bgc x-bgpx x-bgpy x-asn x-asnf x-ash ignore x-x-ashf an x-anf x-ap x-apf x-ad x-adf x-auto x-cnt The idea is that I want to ignore everything by default, display some stuff, and then hide a bunch of boring X- headers that are used in some broken proprietary mailers, which have no real importance to me. The problem is, all of the ignore commands after the unignore seem to do nothing (they certainly aren't ignoring those headers, anyway). Can anybody tell me what's up? The manual says nothing about ignore not working after an unignore. Thanks ;) -- Rob 'Feztaa' Park [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- A young girl once committed suicide because her mother refused her a new bonnet. Coroner's verdict: Death from excessive spunk. -- Sacramento Daily Union, September 13, 1860
Re: PGP signing (newbie)
Alas! Jussi Ekholm spake thus: But yeah - what is so bad in PGP signed mails in mailing lists? There is nothing wrong -- the people who say it is wrong are simply heretics. Oh, you _didn't_ want to start a flamewar? Oops... ;) -- Rob 'Feztaa' Park [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- BOFH excuse #178: Short leg on process table msg25977/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: ignore command does not seem to work
* Rob 'Feztaa' Park [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-03-24 11.15 -0700]: This is really weird. I have the following lines in my muttrc: ignore * unignore date from: reply-to to cc subject x- list user-agent ignore x-status x-uid x-keywords x-accept-language x-imagebase x-fid ignore x-mailer x-priority x-fid x-fver x-fit x-fcol x-fcat x-fdis ignore x-extensions x-bg x-bgt x-bgc x-bgpx x-bgpy x-asn x-asnf x-ash ignore x-x-ashf an x-anf x-ap x-apf x-ad x-adf x-auto x-cnt hmm The idea is that I want to ignore everything by default, display some stuff, seems fair to me and then hide a bunch of boring X- headers that are used in some broken proprietary mailers, which have no real importance to me. Hmm. Why do you want to ignore something which /is already/ ignored? Look at this: hide everything show a b c d e hide f g h i j k.(alreday hidden by the first line) The problem is, all of the ignore commands after the unignore seem to do nothing (they certainly aren't ignoring those headers, anyway). Can anybody tell me what's up? The manual says nothing about ignore not working after an unignore. Maybe _I'm_ missing something here? Anyway, hope this helps. -- voff, voff (Swedish for 'arf, arf')
Re: ignore command does not seem to work
* Martin Karlsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-03-24 19.26 +0100]: * Rob 'Feztaa' Park [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-03-24 11.15 -0700]: This is really weird. I have the following lines in my muttrc: ignore * unignore date from: reply-to to cc subject x- list user-agent Dang, I shouldn't read mail without my glasses on! Sorry. -- voff, voff (Swedish for 'arf, arf')
ignore/unignore
Look at the man page; it doesn't say anything about the order of ignore or unignore statements. It just says unignore is a list of exceptions to the ignore statement(s). That's the precedence; unignores are exceptions, they take precedence over ignores no matter what. man muttrc msg25981/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: PGP signing (newbie)
Rob 'Feztaa' Park [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alas! Jussi Ekholm spake thus: But yeah - what is so bad in PGP signed mails in mailing lists? There is nothing wrong -- the people who say it is wrong are simply heretics. Oh, you _didn't_ want to start a flamewar? Oops... ;) LOL! Well, maybe we can have just a nice and friendly /discussion/ instead of a /flamewar/? ;-) Ah well, I've decided not to use signed mails in mailing lists if there isn't any reason for me to do it. What matters, is, that PGP works with my Mutt - whole other thing is, if I use it... ;-) -- Jussi Ekholm | A Elbereth Gilthoniel, silivren penna míriel i Adanedhel| o menel aglar elenath! Na-chaered palan-díriel [EMAIL PROTECTED]| o galadhremmin ennorath, Fanuilos le linnathon http://ekhowl.goa-head.org | nef aear, sí nef aearon
Re: PGP signing (newbie)
begin quoting what Jussi Ekholm said on Sun, Mar 24, 2002 at 09:09:42PM +0200: Ah well, I've decided not to use signed mails in mailing lists if there isn't any reason for me to do it. What matters, is, that PGP works with my Mutt - whole other thing is, if I use it... ;-) The same reasons for doing so in private mail apply to lists. The same reasons for not doing so in lists apply to private mail. What you do or don't do is your choice, but it's silly to bother turning on the capability at all if you aren't going to use it. msg25983/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: PGP signing (newbie)
Moin, * Shawn McMahon [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-03-24 20:14]: The same reasons for doing so in private mail apply to lists. The same reasons for not doing so in lists apply to private mail. There are several things different between broadcasts and point-to-point connection, as you sure know. Thorsten -- The best leaders are those barely known to their followers; after them, those they love; after them, those they fear; after them, those they despise. - Lao Tzu
Re: PGP signing (newbie)
Shawn McMahon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The same reasons for doing so in private mail apply to lists. The same reasons for not doing so in lists apply to private mail. Yes, I know. At least this proves, that I managed to upset people with my child walk of PGP signatures (I agree, I should've selected more appropriate place for testing it for the first time); or would I get a lecture (saying it with no offense) from just joking, otherwise? My apologies, if I misinterpret your mood. What you do or don't do is your choice, but it's silly to bother turning on the capability at all if you aren't going to use it. Well, I didn't say I'm not going to use it. I will, that's for sure. It's just that I'm still introducing myself to the whole concept of PGP, how to apply it and so on. That's why it's under questioning for what I use it and for what I won't; I have a great deal of material to read through and form opinion(s) about them. Only then I can make decisions, that probably mean something. And to point it out once more; this mail wasn't written to offense you or upset you more, no. I just wanted to make my point (somewhat) clear, as well. As you know and as I mentioned, PGP is a new thing for me, so it would be foolish to start pretending that I already knew everything about it, as this is not the case. Man oh man, how my original question grew a thread of a larger measure - it wasn't my purpose, either. -- Jussi Ekholm | A Elbereth Gilthoniel, silivren penna míriel [EMAIL PROTECTED]| o menel aglar elenath! Na-chaered palan-díriel ekh @ IRCNet | o galadhremmin ennorath, Fanuilos le linnathon http://ekhowl.goa-head.org | nef aear, sí nef aearon
Re: PGP signing (newbie)
begin quoting what Thorsten Haude said on Sun, Mar 24, 2002 at 08:26:53PM +0100: There are several things different between broadcasts and point-to-point connection, as you sure know. Yes. For instance, there are far more people who would be impacted by a forgery. There are also far more people who would benefit from exposure to cryptographic signatures. Also, there's a longer distribution channel, and thus more opportunities for forgery. So, you're right; there's MORE reason to sign in lists than in private mail. Thanks for the correction. msg25986/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: PGP signing (newbie)
begin quoting what Jussi Ekholm said on Sun, Mar 24, 2002 at 09:31:06PM +0200: Yes, I know. At least this proves, that I managed to upset people with my child walk of PGP signatures (I agree, I should've selected more appropriate place for testing it for the first time); or would I get a lecture (saying it with no offense) from just joking, otherwise? Not at all; you got it working, quickly, and other people will benefit from that experience. Here was a great place, IMNERHO. about it, as this is not the case. Man oh man, how my original question grew a thread of a larger measure - it wasn't my purpose, either. It's an important question. Especially in the US, where we've got a new law saying digital sigs are legally the same as paper sigs, and where we've got court cases going on that are defining the contents of emails as being equivalent to paper statements even WITHOUT digital sigs. I predict that within 18 months, we'll see a case of somebody needing to use the unsigned status of an email as a defense that they didn't write the email. This, of course, affects you less if you're not in the US. msg25987/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: PGP signing (newbie)
Hi, * Shawn McMahon [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-03-24 20:34]: begin quoting what Thorsten Haude said on Sun, Mar 24, 2002 at 08:26:53PM +0100: There are several things different between broadcasts and point-to-point connection, as you sure know. Yes. For instance, there are far more people who would be impacted by a forgery. There are also far more people who would benefit from exposure to cryptographic signatures. Also, there's a longer distribution channel, and thus more opportunities for forgery. So, you're right; there's MORE reason to sign in lists than in private mail. Thanks for the correction. I take it from this that you are in fact not interested in a discussion, but in a flame war. Have fun! Thorsten -- As long as people will accept crap, it will be financially profitable to dispense it. - Dick Cavett
Re: PGP signing (newbie)
begin quoting what Thorsten Haude said on Sun, Mar 24, 2002 at 08:47:42PM +0100: I take it from this that you are in fact not interested in a discussion, but in a flame war. Have fun! I'm sorry, if you'll point out which of my statements was personally insulting to you, I'll be glad to clarify it or apologize for it. I went back over it and couldn't see anything except matter-of-factly-presented opinions, and one personal note of thanks. To what exactly did you object as being a flame? msg25990/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Derot and Enrot
begin quoting what Rob Reid said on Sun, Mar 24, 2002 at 02:53:39PM -0500: Derot-13? *grin* Where's Enrot then? ;-) The correct answer, of course, is Houston. msg25991/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: mailers with scripting/setup language
At 8:50 AM EST on March 24 Sven Guckes sent off: * Rocco Rutte [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-03-22 01:40]: At least connditionals are absolutely missing in mutt's config file functionality. . and also missing with setup files for elm, pine, outlook, .. Btw: which mailers *have* a setup language? ok - emacs. any else? IIRC, jed can be used as a mailer. I haven't used mush, but presumably a mailer inside a shell would be able to use shell scripts. If mutt could pass variables like the current folder to the environment, then this mutt needs a scripting language, but no, that's bloated, and which one would we use? thread would probably recur less frequently. -- No doubt Jack the Ripper excused himself on the grounds that it was human nature. - A.A. Milne Robert I. Reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://astro.utoronto.ca/~reid/ PGP Key: http://astro.utoronto.ca/~reid/pgp.html
Re: mailers with scripting/setup language
begin quoting what Rob Reid said on Sun, Mar 24, 2002 at 03:01:35PM -0500: If mutt could pass variables like the current folder to the environment, then this mutt needs a scripting language, but no, that's bloated, and which one would we use? thread would probably recur less frequently. It would effectively be using EVERY scripting language. Is it time to apt-get intercal yet? ;-) msg25993/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: killing threads with procmail - location of the current folder
At 8:25 PM EST on March 23 Sven Guckes sent off: * Rob Reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-03-22 01:18]: Hey, you changed your attribution string! ;-) Is there a way to pass the location of the current folder to the shell? no. unless you have set MAIL before starting mutt - then it'll be accessible via $MAIL. Yeah, but that means one mutt per folder. Thanks but no thanks. There are some threads (including in my inbox) that I don't want being counted as new mail, so I filter them out with a procmail recipe: .. Message IDs could also be used, but Subject works at least as well. yep, MIDs are probably best for checking. I already have MID killfiles, but subjects have some advantages: 1. Sometimes people reply in a thread but change the subject. I'd like to know when that happens. 2. More importantly, threads have a way of recurring. i.e. on Jan. 2, somebody could write Problem sending PGP to Outlook, and a thread will start and finish within a week. You've been on the list long enough to know that sooner or later someone else will start another one on the same topic, but the MIDs will be different. 3. If the killfile ever gets too big, the subjects make more sense than the MIDs when deciding what to throw out. It also helps to trim them down to only the important words (PGP Out look) to catch recurring threads with slightly different titles. -- Drug Store Body. Let's get the Good Shape and have a sexy body just like a pig. - slogan on a pair of Japanese overalls Robert I. Reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://astro.utoronto.ca/~reid/ PGP Key: http://astro.utoronto.ca/~reid/pgp.html
Re: Encrypting my outgoing messages to myself for fcc
begin quoting what Robert Conde said on Sun, Mar 24, 2002 at 03:07:40PM -0500: What would you suggest as an alternative? Like I said, it's a tradeoff. If it's important that you be able to refer back to the contents, encrypting to yourself is necessary. If it's important that you NOT be able to refer back to the contents, encrypting to yourself is harmful. As I said, I'm not suggesting which of these considerations is more important to you; I'm just making sure everybody reading keeps in mind the tradeoffs before they decide. A lot of people, when they see a how-to post in a mailing list, immediately go do whatever it was. They tend to be the less-sophisticated users, and thus the least likely to have considered the implications. I'd say, if you're encrypting messages to avoid snooping ISP techs, you are probably safe encrypting to yourself. (BTW, snooping ISP techs are more common than you might think, despite the fact that it's a federal felony if you aren't doing it as a necessary part of providing service.) If you're encrypting messages because you're doing something you don't want some authority figure to discover, you don't want to encrypt to yourself, because that opens you up to the use of coercion to disclose the contents. PGP was designed to serve both purposes, which is why it allows you a choice on this. That's also why Mutt keeps the email in encrypted form, instead of decrypting and saving. Some mail solutions don't do that, and are thus only satisfactory for avoiding snooping techs, not corrupt authorities. msg25996/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Derot and Enrot
At 2:56 PM EST on March 24 Shawn McMahon sent off: begin quoting what Rob Reid said on Sun, Mar 24, 2002 at 02:53:39PM -0500: Derot-13? *grin* Where's Enrot then? ;-) The correct answer, of course, is Houston. Close, but I think you meant Houstot. -- Emotions are alien to me. I'm a scientist. - Spock, This Side of Paradise Robert I. Reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://astro.utoronto.ca/~reid/ PGP Key: http://astro.utoronto.ca/~reid/pgp.html
Re: ignore command does not seem to work
--9amGYk9869ThD9tj Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Alas! Martin Karlsson spake thus: * Rob 'Feztaa' Park [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-03-24 11.15 -0700]: This is really weird. I have the following lines in my muttrc: =20 ignore * unignore date from: reply-to to cc subject x- list user-agent =20 Are you sure that the 'x-' actually works? Do you see any x-headers if you remove the following lines altogether? Yes, it works. I've just added those last four ignores today, the first ignore and unignore have been there since I first wrote my .muttrc, and I've always been able to see all the X- headers. Then one day my grandmother started using IncrediMail (I think) and now all her emails have 3 screenfuls of useless X- headers that I want to hide, without hiding the X- headers of *nix-using people who have creative and interesting ones :) Maybe I could set up a hook of some kind that hides X- headers for my grandmother and nobody else? --=20 Rob 'Feztaa' Park [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- He who knows that enough is enough will always have enough. -- Lao Tsu --9amGYk9869ThD9tj Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8njogPTh2iSBKeccRAisVAJ0Xro8YDnPSKdwXA01WxiQH0kN4+gCfSxaO CsQvQ6Qhsn0UiMlvb062PbA= =kmpS -END PGP SIGNATURE- --9amGYk9869ThD9tj--
Re: ignore command does not seem to work
begin quoting what Rob 'Feztaa' Park said on Sun, Mar 24, 2002 at 01:42:09PM -0700: Maybe I could set up a hook of some kind that hides X- headers for my grandmother and nobody else? Or list all of the obnoxious ones, and then set up procmail to strip them out; that will work as a general solution in case somebody else uses Incredimail. msg25999/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: PGP signing (newbie)
Jussi Ekholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I didn't say I'm not going to use it. I will, that's for sure. Nah, on second thought I don't think I ever will. In fact, I can't stand the thought of having to sign all my messages! I'm deleting gnupg as we speak! Oh yeah, and I hate everybody on this list. You're all a bunch of assholes! I'm going to unsub as soon as I finish writing this! So long, suckers. -- Jussi Ekholm | A Elbereth Gilthoniel, silivren penna míriel [EMAIL PROTECTED]| o menel aglar elenath! Na-chaered palan-díriel ekh @ IRCNet | o galadhremmin ennorath, Fanuilos le linnathon http://ekhowl.goa-head.org | nef aear, sí nef aearon == And this demonstrates exactly why you ought to sign all of your messages, ESPECIALLY if it's to a public list. Had Jussi been in the habit of signing all her messages, people would have noticed that this message wasn't signed, and immediately questioned it's validity.
Re: ignore command does not seem to work
* Rob 'Feztaa' Park [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-03-24 13.42 -0700]: [...snip...] Then one day my grandmother started using IncrediMail (I think) and now all her emails have 3 screenfuls of useless X- headers that I want to hide, without hiding the X- headers of *nix-using people who have creative and interesting ones :) :-) Maybe I could set up a hook of some kind that hides X- headers for my grandmother and nobody else? Hmm. Would a message-hook do this? Something along the lines of (untested): message-hook '~f grandma' ignore*;unignore: from cc date etc I'll try some things and see what happens :) Be well, Martin -- Mutt feature request: massage-hook Wouldn't it be great to have Mutt rub your neck while you read your mail? msg26001/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Derot and Enrot
--z6Eq5LdranGa6ru8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Alas! Rob Reid spake thus: You'd think they're the same but obviously derot is for reading and enrot= is for sending.=20 Uh? How are they different? rot13 is such that encryption and decryption is the same process. Or do you just mean the difference is that derot is in mutt and enrot is in your editor? I'd like to tell you to look for enrot in the one true editor...but I hardly ever *send* anything in rot13, so I can't tell you = if there's a prewritten function for it. Well, if the value of your local $ONE_TRUE_EDITOR happens to be /usr/bin/vim, then rejoice! There is a built in command for rot13 encoding/decoding in vim. Just type 'g?' and then a movement command. For example, 'g?aw' encodes a word, 'g?3l' encodes the next 3 letters, etc. --=20 Rob 'Feztaa' Park [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- If something has not yet gone wrong then it would ultimately have been beneficial for it to go wrong. --z6Eq5LdranGa6ru8 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8nj58PTh2iSBKeccRAgMTAJ4k4nUpEUiIGiQRUKYBZhyRp1jTwwCfbcQD ukChLJpTJCPgw4z9RI+xGgA= =awvA -END PGP SIGNATURE- --z6Eq5LdranGa6ru8--
Re: ignore command does not seem to work
--L6iaP+gRLNZHKoI4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Alas! Shawn McMahon spake thus: begin quoting what Rob 'Feztaa' Park said on Sun, Mar 24, 2002 at 01:42:09PM -0700: Maybe I could set up a hook of some kind that hides X- headers for my grandmother and nobody else? Or list all of the obnoxious ones, and then set up procmail to strip them out; that will work as a general solution in case somebody else uses Incredimail. Hey, that's a good idea. But how do I strip headers in procmail? Sorry, I'm not very experienced with procmail. All I know how to do is sort based on what headers exist, nothing more :-\ --=20 Rob 'Feztaa' Park [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- quit When the quit statement is read, the bc processor is terminated, regardless of where the quit state- ment is found. For example, if (0 =3D=3D 1) quit will cause bc to terminate. (Seen in the manpage for bc. Note the if statement's logic) --L6iaP+gRLNZHKoI4 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8nj7/PTh2iSBKeccRApaDAJ420DupYMk5SRb7+J9xIfvYESDMAwCeNpOr FWRWe22CyIpE8t+1lLf+z3E= =HDM3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- --L6iaP+gRLNZHKoI4--
Re: PGP signing (newbie)
* Jussi Ekholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-03-24 13:53:18 -0700]: Jussi Ekholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I didn't say I'm not going to use it. I will, that's for sure. Nah, on second thought I don't think I ever will. In fact, I can't stand the thought of having to sign all my messages! I'm deleting gnupg as we speak! Oh yeah, and I hate everybody on this list. You're all a bunch of assholes! I'm going to unsub as soon as I finish writing this! So long, suckers. -- Jussi Ekholm | A Elbereth Gilthoniel, silivren penna míriel [EMAIL PROTECTED] | o menel aglar elenath! Na-chaered palan-díriel ekh @ IRCNet | o galadhremmin ennorath, Fanuilos le linnathon http://ekhowl.goa-head.org | nef aear, sí nef aearon == And this demonstrates exactly why you ought to sign all of your messages, ESPECIALLY if it's to a public list. Had Jussi been in the habit of signing all her messages, people would have noticed that this message wasn't signed, and immediately questioned it's validity. Rob 'Feztaa' Park [EMAIL PROTECTED], I guess?
Re: mailers with scripting/setup language
--KdquIMZPjGJQvRdI Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Alas! Rob Reid spake thus: If mutt could pass variables like the current folder to the environment, = then this mutt needs a scripting language, but no, that's bloated, and which one would we use? thread would probably recur less frequently. I don't understand why mutt so desperately needs a scripting language. What's wrong with the backtick evaluation that the .muttrc already has? I can't think of anything that can be done with a scripting language built into the .muttrc that can't be done with a bash script being evaluated with backticks inside the regular .muttrc. (but then again, I haven't put _too_much_ thought into it). Care to give some examples? --=20 Rob 'Feztaa' Park [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Microsoft is a cross between the Borg and the Ferengi. Unfortunately, they use Borg to do their marketing and Ferengi to do their programming. -- Simon Slavin --KdquIMZPjGJQvRdI Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8nkCVPTh2iSBKeccRAkuAAJ45/CFP9giRPlEw5VO1BDTMGf7IbgCfaVMZ 5qIYuhrJ4qyu/1rQZxDtxDE= =My32 -END PGP SIGNATURE- --KdquIMZPjGJQvRdI--
Re: ignore command does not seem to work
begin quoting what Rob 'Feztaa' Park said on Sun, Mar 24, 2002 at 02:02:55PM -0700: Hey, that's a good idea. But how do I strip headers in procmail? Run stuff through sed, I suppose. I've never tried, but it should work. msg26006/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: PGP signing (newbie)
begin quoting what Jussi Ekholm said on Sun, Mar 24, 2002 at 01:53:18PM -0700: So long, suckers. You're an evil bastard, Fezta. :-) msg26007/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: PGP signing (newbie)
Rob 'Feztaa' Park [EMAIL PROTECTED], I guess? Yeah. I didn't cover anything like my message id's up, I didn't want to get too elaborate. I was just making a point that mail can be spoofed and signing your messages prevents this :) -- Rob 'Feztaa' Park [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Sometimes I wonder if I'm in my right mind. Then it passes off and I'm as intelligent as ever. -- Samuel Beckett, Endgame msg26008/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: mailers with scripting/setup language
* Rob 'Feztaa' Park [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-03-24 14:09:41 -0700]: Alas! Rob Reid spake thus: If mutt could pass variables like the current folder to the environment, then this mutt needs a scripting language, but no, that's bloated, and which one would we use? thread would probably recur less frequently. I don't understand why mutt so desperately needs a scripting language. What's wrong with the backtick evaluation that the .muttrc already has? I can't think of anything that can be done with a scripting language built into the .muttrc that can't be done with a bash script being evaluated with backticks inside the regular .muttrc. (but then again, I haven't put _too_much_ thought into it). I understood he doesn't want to include some scripting language in mutt. But if you want to execute some command if there are more than 10 new messages in the folder you are entering, you need some way to tell your backtick script how many new messages there are. I think that's what he wants. Care to give some examples? Not really. Nicolas
Re: ignore command does not seem to work
Okay, did som testing (nothing thorough, mind you), and this seems to be one of many(?) ways of doing it in Mutt. message-hook '~f [EMAIL PROTECTED]' 'ignore x-' message-hook '~f @' 'unignore the headers I want to see' I guess these'll take precedence over the original values in your .muttrc. HTH -- Martin -- Albanian for 'arf, arf': 'ham ham' / 'hum hum' msg26010/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: PGP signing (newbie)
--9ADF8FXzFeE7X4jE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Alas! Shawn McMahon spake thus: So long, suckers. =20 You're an evil bastard, Fezta. :-) ;D --=20 Rob 'Feztaa' Park [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- What is a magician but a practising theorist? -- Obi-Wan Kenobi --9ADF8FXzFeE7X4jE Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8nkQ8PTh2iSBKeccRAoiiAJ9ykI/cH0PJAcQOUQkYOcCcwgDW+wCgiEmU iiNtsHnOrt/aVh6JtctThTM= =bsvi -END PGP SIGNATURE- --9ADF8FXzFeE7X4jE--
Re: ignore command does not seem to work
* Shawn McMahon [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-03-24 16:06:29 -0500]: begin quoting what Rob 'Feztaa' Park said on Sun, Mar 24, 2002 at 02:02:55PM -0700: Hey, that's a good idea. But how do I strip headers in procmail? Run stuff through sed, I suppose. I've never tried, but it should work. formail with -I Nicolas
Re: ignore command does not seem to work
Hi, * Rob 'Feztaa' Park [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-03-24 22:02]: Alas! Shawn McMahon spake thus: begin quoting what Rob 'Feztaa' Park said on Sun, Mar 24, 2002 at 01:42:09PM -0700: Maybe I could set up a hook of some kind that hides X- headers for my grandmother and nobody else? Or list all of the obnoxious ones, and then set up procmail to strip them out; that will work as a general solution in case somebody else uses Incredimail. Hey, that's a good idea. But how do I strip headers in procmail? Maybe you could patch something together using formail. Thorsten -- Unterschätze nie die Macht dummer Leute, die einer Meinung sind. - Kurt Tucholsky
viewing images
How do i setup an app like gqview to view any attached images? something like using urlview? -- Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway. -- Andrew S. Tanenbaum Chad Young - Registered Linux User #195191 http://counter.li.org --- Linux localhost 2.4.19-pre3-ac4 #1 Thu Mar 21 17:29:22 AST 2002 i686 GenuineIntel
Re: mailers with scripting/setup language
At 4:09 PM EST on March 24 Rob 'Feztaa' Park sent off: Alas! Rob Reid spake thus: If mutt could pass variables like the current folder to the environment, then this mutt needs a scripting language, but no, that's bloated, and which one would we use? thread would probably recur less frequently. I don't understand why mutt so desperately needs a scripting language. I wasn't saying it does. What's wrong with the backtick evaluation that the .muttrc already has? It's only evaluated at startup. Care to give some examples? Check the archives, but something like extracting information from a message and putting it in the right place. -- How can one live in this age and not be curious? - Charles Krauthammer Robert I. Reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://astro.utoronto.ca/~reid/ PGP Key: http://astro.utoronto.ca/~reid/pgp.html
Re: viewing images
On Sun, Mar 24, 2002 at 05:37:38PM -0400, skidley wrote: How do i setup an app like gqview to view any attached images? something like using urlview? Put image/gif; xv %s image/jpeg; xv %s in your ~/.mailcap -- William Park, Open Geometry Consulting, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 8 CPU cluster, NAS, (Slackware) Linux, Python, LaTeX, Vim, Mutt, Tin
Re: viewing images
At 4:37 PM EST on March 24 skidley sent off: How do i setup an app like gqview to view any attached images? something like using urlview? No, put this in your .mailcap, or ~/.mutt/mailcap (see manual) image/*; gqview %s sleep 7 I think there was a recent thread about whether or not the sleep is still necessary; check the archives. -- Would a fly without wings be called a walk? - Jack Handey Robert I. Reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://astro.utoronto.ca/~reid/ PGP Key: http://astro.utoronto.ca/~reid/pgp.html
Re: mailers with scripting/setup language
On Sun 24-Mar-2002 at 02:09:41PM -0700, Rob 'Feztaa' Park wrote: I can't think of anything that can be done with a scripting language built into the .muttrc that can't be done with a bash script being evaluated with backticks inside the regular .muttrc. (but then again, I haven't put _too_much_ thought into it). Care to give some examples? I send a lot of images with email and I find it _very_ useful to add the output of 'identify' as the 'Content-Description' for each attachment: 2001-06-16-gcsss-panorama.jpg 2400x1200 241kb JPEG etc.. At the moment I do this with copy and paste. To automate it with a script, I need to pass the script internal mutt information (the location of the file I'm attaching in this case). I might want to set other stuff at the same time, like 'Content-Disposition: inline' for all images less than 800 pixels wide. Just an example, something I was trying to do today. -- Bruno
Re: ignore command does not seem to work
--doKZ0ri6bHmN2Q5y Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Alas! Nicolas Rachinsky spake thus: Run stuff through sed, I suppose. I've never tried, but it should work. =20 formail with -I You mean something like this at the beginning of my procmailrc: :0 Whf: * X-Mailer: IncrediMail.* |formail -I X- ? --=20 Rob 'Feztaa' Park [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- =2E.. [concerning quotation marks] even if we *___=08=08=08did* quote anybo= dy in this business, it probably would be gibberish. -- Thom McLeod --doKZ0ri6bHmN2Q5y Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8nk6iPTh2iSBKeccRAnz/AJ0U8JnNCW0NqOySpTwhAqfFCKGHPgCfeoxf IGNiIDKR/Ucz5jgdoW8RBcg= =kvRR -END PGP SIGNATURE- --doKZ0ri6bHmN2Q5y--
Re: mailers with scripting/setup language
Alas! Rob Reid spake thus: I don't understand why mutt so desperately needs a scripting language. I wasn't saying it does. Sorry, I didn't mean _you_ were saying that, but some people have and I didn't get why. What's wrong with the backtick evaluation that the .muttrc already has? It's only evaluated at startup. I see. Care to give some examples? Check the archives, but something like extracting information from a message and putting it in the right place. Ah, ok. I get it now ;) -- Rob 'Feztaa' Park [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Q: Who cuts the grass on Walton's Mountain? A: Lawn Boy. msg26020/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: ignore command does not seem to work
* Rob 'Feztaa' Park [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-03-24 15:09:38 -0700]: Alas! Nicolas Rachinsky spake thus: Run stuff through sed, I suppose. I've never tried, but it should work. formail with -I You mean something like this at the beginning of my procmailrc: :0 Whf: * X-Mailer: IncrediMail.* |formail -I X- I think that's what I meant. In fact, I just wanted to suggest some alternative to sed. IMO formail is easier to use for this kind of header manipulation. Nicolas
Re: viewing images
* thus spaketh William Park (Mar 24 at 04:45PM): Put image/gif; xv %s image/jpeg; xv %s in your ~/.mailcap based on my faith in xv to render anything even remotely an image, i have the following entry: image/*; xv %s -- timothy lupfer http://sadlittleboy.com
Re: PGP signing (newbie)
Shawn McMahon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jussi Ekholm said on Sun, Mar 24, 2002 at 09:31:06PM +0200: Yes, I know. At least this proves, that I managed to upset people with my child walk of PGP signatures (I agree, I should've selected more appropriate place for testing it for the first time); or would I get a lecture (saying it with no offense) from just joking, otherwise? Not at all; you got it working, quickly, and other people will benefit from that experience. Here was a great place, IMNERHO. Well, you make me blush here... ;-) I think, that what comes to my mail about the PGP with Mutt doesn't particularily benefit other people, as the thread itself wasn't that informative. Or did you mean it some other way? But still I think, that testing -- whatever it is -- shouldn't be necessarily done in a pretty high trafficed mailing list, or it could grow in big proportions. Though, this is just my opinion. And yeah, I got it working -- thanks to all the people who helped me with this issue. Especially one site, that was posted to my personal address was *very* helpful. And when one reads, reads and reads -- and then continues reading about some subject, learning is inevitable. :-) -- Jussi Ekholm | A Elbereth Gilthoniel, silivren penna míriel [EMAIL PROTECTED]| o menel aglar elenath! Na-chaered palan-díriel ekh @ IRCNet | o galadhremmin ennorath, Fanuilos le linnathon http://ekhowl.goa-head.org | nef aear, sí nef aearon msg26023/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: PGP signing (newbie)
Jussi Ekholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nah, on second thought I don't think I ever will. In fact, I can't stand the thought of having to sign all my messages! I'm deleting gnupg as we speak! Oh yeah, and I hate everybody on this list. You're all a bunch of assholes! I'm going to unsub as soon as I finish writing this! So long, suckers. -- Jussi Ekholm | A Elbereth Gilthoniel, silivren penna míriel [EMAIL PROTECTED] | o menel aglar elenath! Na-chaered palan-díriel ekh @ IRCNet | o galadhremmin ennorath, Fanuilos le linnathon http://ekhowl.goa-head.org | nef aear, sí nef aearon == And this demonstrates exactly why you ought to sign all of your messages, ESPECIALLY if it's to a public list. Had Jussi been in the habit of signing all her messages, people would have noticed that this message wasn't signed, and immediately questioned it's validity. LOL Rob (I presume?)! Well yeah, I really am on the verge of should I or should I not. Well, I'll leave that to the higher powers. At least so far I've signed the mails I've replied which were signed in the beginning. I dunno, this is sort of a hard matter, as other people are talking strongly against (not the right word, but I hope you get my point) it and other recommend using it no matter what -- thus, one can't please everyone. But hey, that isn't possible anyway, so who knows what happens. Oh, and thank you for your kind demonstration... ;-) -- Jussi Ekholm | A Elbereth Gilthoniel, silivren penna míriel [EMAIL PROTECTED]| o menel aglar elenath! Na-chaered palan-díriel ekh @ IRCNet | o galadhremmin ennorath, Fanuilos le linnathon http://ekhowl.goa-head.org | nef aear, sí nef aearon msg26024/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: from Netscape to mutt - dragNdrop
* Wim Kerkhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-03-22 16:18]: I've got a couple of things to tweak yet before I'll be as productive with multiple folders as I was in NS, but otherwise I'm a really happy camper. I'm so used to having a 3 way split in my mail program: folders on the left side, message list in the top right, and preview in the bottom right. With that setup, it's a breeze to drag and drop messages to any of my 138 folders. Now, I understand the value of dragNdrop - but what's wrong with tag+save? giving access to several windows means that more commands must be distributed among the available keys. this means that some keys are bound to commands which simply switch between the windows. that's why different menus allow more commands for each menu. also, seeing all folders can be nice, too - but I don't have a monitor to show all of my 5,000 folders. ;-) Sven [hey - folders DSW!]
Re: PGP signing (newbie)
Jussi Ekholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And this demonstrates exactly why you ought to sign all of your messages, ESPECIALLY if it's to a public list. Had Jussi been in the habit of signing all her messages, people would have noticed that this message wasn't signed, and immediately questioned it's validity. And to point out -- 'sed s/her/his/g'. ;-) -- Jussi Ekholm | A Elbereth Gilthoniel, silivren penna míriel [EMAIL PROTECTED]| o menel aglar elenath! Na-chaered palan-díriel ekh @ IRCNet | o galadhremmin ennorath, Fanuilos le linnathon http://ekhowl.goa-head.org | nef aear, sí nef aearon msg26026/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: PGP signing (newbie)
--FCuugMFkClbJLl1L Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Alas! Jussi Ekholm spake thus: LOL Rob (I presume?)!=20 Yeah that was me ;) Well yeah, I really am on the verge of should I or should I not. Next time, the spoof might not be so obvious :) Well, I'll leave that to the higher powers. At least so far I've signed the mails I've replied which were signed in the beginning.=20 That's good, for starters. Typically, I will sign every message, so long as it is being sent to a person/people who have the facilities to read the signature -- no point signing something if the person on the other end has no way of validating it and just sees it as garbage data. Oh, and thank you for your kind demonstration... ;-) You're welcome :) --=20 Rob 'Feztaa' Park [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Consider the following axioms carefully: Everything's better when it sits on a Ritz. and Everything's better with Blue Bonnet on it. What happens if one spreads Blue Bonnet margarine on a Ritz cracker? The thought is frightening. Is this how God came into being? Try not to consider the fact that Things go better with Coke. --FCuugMFkClbJLl1L Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8nmqVPTh2iSBKeccRAov6AJ9VGXyzxUJjnpuHUQI6ec7TFxzA5ACffgj6 St5MDLQm44nOF3VbrHqzDzE= =7/kW -END PGP SIGNATURE- --FCuugMFkClbJLl1L--
Re: ignore command does not seem to work
--7iMSBzlTiPOCCT2k Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Alas! Rob 'Feztaa' Park spake thus: :0 Whf: * X-Mailer: IncrediMail.* |formail -I X- I'm not sure if it makes much difference, but I ended up using this: :0 fhw: * ^X-Mailer: IncrediMail |formail -I X- and it works _exactly_ as I wanted. Thanks everybody :)=20 --=20 Rob 'Feztaa' Park [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Martin was probably ripping them off. That's some family, isn't it? Incest, prostitution, fanaticism, software. -- Charles Willeford, Miami Blues --7iMSBzlTiPOCCT2k Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8nmtdPTh2iSBKeccRApDDAJ9jRL8YN5JKgj8N63T5d3pPmpBRLACfbucr FnJqrx3gmpFft4EzWyWB3wQ= =3B/K -END PGP SIGNATURE- --7iMSBzlTiPOCCT2k--
Re: killing threads with procmail - MIDs and SUBJECTs
* Rob Reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-03-24 20:20]: At 8:25 PM EST on March 23 Sven Guckes sent off: * Rob Reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-03-22 01:18]: Hey, you changed your attribution string! ;-) (sssh! dont tell anyone - ok?) Is there a way to pass the location of the current folder to the shell? no. unless you have set MAIL before starting mutt - then it'll be accessible via $MAIL. Yeah, but that means one mutt per folder. Thanks but no thanks. ;-) there could be a lot more done if mutt exported some infos about its current state via shell variables - but then there's LOT of things which could be important to someone. saving the complete current state to a tempfile probably is the best solution here - but could also become a problem in many ways. (swapping out the pgp passphrase? of course NOT!) yep, MIDs are probably best for checking. I already have MID killfiles, but subjects have some advantages: 1. Sometimes people reply in a thread but change the subject. I'd like to know when that happens. hmm.. then you'd have to save the combinations of MIDs and SUBJECTs. or does this need yet another pattern? (there's one for duplicates now - and I really like it. you know, delete-pattern by ~=. hehe) 2. More importantly, threads have a way of recurring. i.e. on Jan. 2, somebody could write Problem sending PGP to Outlook, and a thread will start and finish within a week. .. sooner or later someone else will start another one on the same topic, but the MIDs will be different. ok - but there's nothing you can do against that, right? how will you detect such things? adaptive scoring? 3. If the killfile ever gets too big, the subjects make more sense than the MIDs when deciding what to throw out. It also helps to trim them down to only the important words (PGP Out look) to catch recurring threads with slightly different titles. ok, but that's a *filter* problem - not a mutt problem, right? Sven [rearranging his procmail setup]
Can I use mutt to notify a message to all PC users running MS Windows on the network?
Dear all, I come across mutt email in the internet search. I am administer some applications runing at Unix (SCO Openserver 5.5) and also administer the Linux Redhat 6.2 mail server. All users are working with PCsrunning Microsoft windows (w2k,98,NT4) within the company network. Usually I use novell fconsole to send broadcast messages to all actove PC users to notify that I want to shutdown the Unix server for maintenance or any emergency repair worlk within a short notice. So dar it works, but I want to move from using our Novell server as it is having old version and not maintained in the past... Can I use mutt to replace this kind of notification messages to all users easily? where can I get more information about it? if mutt is not appropriate, then any recommnedation? Thank you in advance. Regards, Joh Effendi ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Can I use mutt to notify a message to all PC users running MS Windows on the network?
* J. Effendi [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-03-25 00:55]: [..] Can I use mutt to replace this kind of notification messages to all users easily? No. if mutt is not appropriate, then any recommnedation? anything but mutt, please. seriously - mutt sends email. that's it. if your users don't read their emails right away then they won't notice your message at all. Sven
startup commands
Is there any way of telling mutt to execute an interactive command (e.g. collapse-all) in .muttrc short of using push? -- // [EMAIL PROTECTED] // There are no differences but differences of degree between different degrees of difference and no difference. --William James, 1882
Re: startup commands
* Russell Hoover [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-03-25 01:34]: Is there any way of telling mutt to execute an interactive command (e.g. collapse-all) in .muttrc short of using push? eh? no. why? push not good enough? heh? Sven
Re: VVV-NNTP patch send-hook
Drew Raines [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe the suggestion was something to the effect of send-hook ! . 'my_hdr Blah: foo' That won't quite work. Internally, Mutt translates the simple pattern . into ~A, which matches everything. Negating that matches nothing, which is the effect you see. A more specific pattern, such as '~t .' might work better, since it is not a simple pattern and may avoid the internal translation. -- David DeSimone | The doctrine of human equality reposes on this: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | that there is no man really clever who has not Hewlett-Packard | found that he is stupid. -- Gilbert K. Chesterson Richardson IT|PGP: 5B 47 34 9F 3B 9A B0 0D AB A6 15 F1 BB BE 8C 44
Re: PGP signing (newbie)
--KsGdsel6WgEHnImy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Alas! Jussi Ekholm spake thus: And to point out -- 'sed s/her/his/g'. ;-) You're a guy? Oooops! Sorry. Your name just sounds so feminine. We seem to get a lot of that here, don't we? ;) --=20 Rob 'Feztaa' Park [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Q: How do you stop an elephant from charging? A: Take away his credit cards. --KsGdsel6WgEHnImy Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8nrezPTh2iSBKeccRAtypAJ9D4oamIk/9qgcZBTCHipNKfFX8jACbBhbJ yrJ3YQJEl9l3NBAaSuimdrA= =5SJp -END PGP SIGNATURE- --KsGdsel6WgEHnImy--
Re: message-hooks - more examples
Alas! Sven Guckes spake thus: Sven [mmh.. ye... deeper.. oh, yeah..] You sure that's a massage you're getting? ;) -- Rob 'Feztaa' Park [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Of course there's no reason for it, it's just our policy. msg26037/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: message-hooks - more examples
* Rob 'Feztaa' Park [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-03-25 05:33]: Alas! Sven Guckes spake thus: Sven [mmh.. ye... deeper.. oh, yeah..] You sure that's a massage you're getting? ;) I dunno... but I'm certainly HOOKED. hehe Sven
Re: experience/questions : switching from Netscape to mutt
Wim Kerkhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm so used to having a 3 way split in my mail program: folders on the left side, message list in the top right, and preview in the bottom right. With that setup, it's a breeze to drag and drop messages to any of my 138 folders. Mutt gives you more rewards, the more you teach it. With save-hooks, for instance, you can teach Mutt that when it sees messages with certain patterns to them, that they belong in a particular folder. When you've done that, you can read a message, press 's', and save it to the right place most of the time. You can always override the choice though. Of course, if you can teach Mutt to do that, then you can also teach procmail to put the mail in that folder to begin with. The secret to productivity: Get the computer to do the work! That's what it's there for. :) -- David DeSimone | The doctrine of human equality reposes on this: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | that there is no man really clever who has not Hewlett-Packard | found that he is stupid. -- Gilbert K. Chesterson Richardson IT|PGP: 5B 47 34 9F 3B 9A B0 0D AB A6 15 F1 BB BE 8C 44
Re: Can I use mutt to notify a message to all PC users running MS Windows on the network?
J. Effendi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can I use mutt to replace this kind of notification messages to all users easily? Where can I get more information about it? Others have answered your first question, but I have a suggestion. You may wish to install and make use of the Samba package for this purpose. I noticed that the smbclient program (that comes as part of Samba) has this option in its help screen: -M host send a winpopup message to the host So it sounds like this program, with some clever scripting, could be used to send pop-up messages to all the users you'd like to notify. -- David DeSimone | The doctrine of human equality reposes on this: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | that there is no man really clever who has not Hewlett-Packard | found that he is stupid. -- Gilbert K. Chesterson Richardson IT|PGP: 5B 47 34 9F 3B 9A B0 0D AB A6 15 F1 BB BE 8C 44
