Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January (Helen Sloan)
Hi Simon, Just catching up, Good to read a contextual and historical side about you. I find it fascinating how people's creative ventures are influenced by their past experiences, and how this can produce unique selves, that (thankfully) define our differences, whether our accumalted influences are formal, not formal or both. I have always been drawn to those who think differently - as in, not fitting into mainstream behaviours - I suppose engaging in art or related contexts is an inevitable place or space to exist in. Finding alternative ways to think and different paths to wander, this brings about valuable resources for self-learning. And how we manage to incorporate this 'stuff', nourish our imagination(s) is part of a never ending struggle. I also think it's equally interesting that, even though we need things which stimulate us, or at least encourage us to make and explore creative and imaginative territories. We also need the bland other, the backgorund where our art and related activities and ideas rests upon or against - a contrast which in some way is different from the everyday, even when art blurs it is still separate due to the relational aspects and intentions behind creating such things. Life can be a meme, but can art be meme non-intentionally? wishing you well. marc I am with Marc on this, in more ways than one. I come from what could be considered a privileged background, compared to what Marc describes. Mine was a middle class academic family growing up on a beautiful wild beach in Australia (as different from Southend on Sea as you could get, except for the presence of the sea). However, like Marc, I didn’t school well. I ran away from home at 15, living on communes and in surfer communities around the country (this was the beginning of the 70’s, so that wasn’t that unusual then). My parents, being liberals, could not find any way of dealing with this. The result was I never acquired a school or University qualification and am effectively self-taught. Hippy life can burn you out. Too many drugs and too much disorder eventually get to you. I went off to live on my own, quietly, to concentrate on what I felt I could do well – painting. I was again lucky, as in my childhood the family friends were mostly artists (my mother was a poet) so I learned both technical knowledge from a young age and also an appreciation of what the artist’s life can be. It was an easy thing for me to slip into being. I never went to art college. So, it is strange for me that throughout my professional life I have often found myself working in art colleges and other academic environments. They are not alien to me, as I grew up in a studious context, with books and art. But it can be weird to teach when you can only imagine what it is like to be a student. However, one advantage I have is that I can argue, with conviction, that a degree is not a pre-requisite to being an artist. I can describe education as being about a personal journey into knowledge and creativity, not a piece of paper that will eventually validate you. My own experience can stand as evidence that you do not need to fulfil other people’s expectations to achieve what you want. Education is the most effective force for social change I have come across and it should be the right of every individual to have as much of it as they want (or can stand). Education can (should) be a primary resource for transformation. It does not need to be formalised, but to create substantial resource infrastructure you sometimes need large institutions. When I argue the case for artists working in academic environments I do so from a conviction concerning education’s transformative capacity, not from some idea that everyone needs to be appropriately validated. That validation is part of the problem with education. Best Simon Simon Biggs Research Professor edinburgh college of art s.biggs@ eca .ac.uk www. eca .ac.uk C reative I nterdisciplinary R esearch into C o L laborative E nvironments CIRCLE research group www. eca .ac.uk/circle/ si...@littlepig.org.uk www.littlepig.org.uk AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk From: marc garrett marc.garr...@furtherfield.org Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 14:44:25 + To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January (Helen Sloan) Hi Curt all, As someone who mainly comes from a self-education position, or rather from a place where I come from a very poor and violent working class family - which spent most of the time either being put in social care, whether this be in borstals and prison, plus family members vanishing because of the failures of 70's social (un)care systems. Just think of 'Cathy Come Home' by Ken Loach - http
Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January (Helen Sloan)
Hi Marc Thanks, your comments wrap it up well. Right now I am up to my ears in the down-side of academia, dealing with course development, associated bureaucracy, institutional politics and ridiculous deadlines. My reply is therefore very short. Best Simon Simon Biggs Research Professor edinburgh college of art s.bi...@eca.ac.uk www.eca.ac.uk Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments CIRCLE research group www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ si...@littlepig.org.uk www.littlepig.org.uk AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk From: marc garrett marc.garr...@furtherfield.org Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:38:24 + To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January (Helen Sloan) Hi Simon, Just catching up, Good to read a contextual and historical side about you. I find it fascinating how people's creative ventures are influenced by their past experiences, and how this can produce unique selves, that (thankfully) define our differences, whether our accumalted influences are formal, not formal or both. I have always been drawn to those who think differently - as in, not fitting into mainstream behaviours - I suppose engaging in art or related contexts is an inevitable place or space to exist in. Finding alternative ways to think and different paths to wander, this brings about valuable resources for self-learning. And how we manage to incorporate this 'stuff', nourish our imagination(s) is part of a never ending struggle. I also think it's equally interesting that, even though we need things which stimulate us, or at least encourage us to make and explore creative and imaginative territories. We also need the bland other, the backgorund where our art and related activities and ideas rests upon or against - a contrast which in some way is different from the everyday, even when art blurs it is still separate due to the relational aspects and intentions behind creating such things. Life can be a meme, but can art be meme non-intentionally? wishing you well. marc I am with Marc on this, in more ways than one. I come from what could be considered a privileged background, compared to what Marc describes. Mine was a middle class academic family growing up on a beautiful wild beach in Australia (as different from Southend on Sea as you could get, except for the presence of the sea). However, like Marc, I didn¹t school well. I ran away from home at 15, living on communes and in surfer communities around the country (this was the beginning of the 70¹s, so that wasn¹t that unusual then). My parents, being liberals, could not find any way of dealing with this. The result was I never acquired a school or University qualification and am effectively self-taught. Hippy life can burn you out. Too many drugs and too much disorder eventually get to you. I went off to live on my own, quietly, to concentrate on what I felt I could do well painting. I was again lucky, as in my childhood the family friends were mostly artists (my mother was a poet) so I learned both technical knowledge from a young age and also an appreciation of what the artist¹s life can be. It was an easy thing for me to slip into being. I never went to art college. So, it is strange for me that throughout my professional life I have often found myself working in art colleges and other academic environments. They are not alien to me, as I grew up in a studious context, with books and art. But it can be weird to teach when you can only imagine what it is like to be a student. However, one advantage I have is that I can argue, with conviction, that a degree is not a pre-requisite to being an artist. I can describe education as being about a personal journey into knowledge and creativity, not a piece of paper that will eventually validate you. My own experience can stand as evidence that you do not need to fulfil other people¹s expectations to achieve what you want. Education is the most effective force for social change I have come across and it should be the right of every individual to have as much of it as they want (or can stand). Education can (should) be a primary resource for transformation. It does not need to be formalised, but to create substantial resource infrastructure you sometimes need large institutions. When I argue the case for artists working in academic environments I do so from a conviction concerning education¹s transformative capacity, not from some idea that everyone needs to be appropriately validated. That validation is part of the problem with education. Best Simon Simon Biggs Research Professor edinburgh college of art s.biggs@ eca .ac.uk www. eca .ac.uk C reative I nterdisciplinary R esearch into C o L laborative E nvironments CIRCLE research group www. eca .ac.uk/circle/ si
Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January (Helen Sloan)
Hi Curt, Sorry for the slow response, much happening lately with projects etc... More than any craft (including artmaking, including writing) teaching is a bottomless pit. You could devote an entire life to mastering the craft and you would still have barely begun to scratch the surface. But we scratch on. I agree, if I lose the will to learn I 'will' die inside - I'm sure... Much of the knowledge or data/noise I have aquired through the years, that stuff which is collected and lodged deep in my cranium is, taking years to unfold. It's great to find out that you are home-teaching your children, and four of them. Wow, that's a responsibility which I personally am glad is not part of my current, life experience. Although, one of my sister's has children and I regularly try to introduce them to special more creative experiences with art and similar activities, in contrast to the blandness they are continuously bombarded with - the complexity and pathos of it all, hurts. Anyway, this subject could go many different ways, so I'll rest it here... Also, respect due that you are near the Black Mountain College and doing things there. I remember watching your collaborative live, networked twin-broadcast, from the college itself for Double Blind (Love), with Annie Abrahams - http://aabrahams.wordpress.com/tag/curt-cloninger/. Perhaps my favorite pedagogical texts are Paul Klee's Bauhaus notebooks: The Thinking Eye and The Nature of Nature, just because they are so rigorously exhaustive. Classics that I have read repeatedly for years :-) Wishing you well. marc Thanks Marc, I would say that explains a lot, and I mean that as a compliment. In addition to Illich and Friere, I would add Ranciere's The Ignorant Schoolmaster. We homeschool four children with a fifth on the way, so teaching, art making, and writing are increasingly intertwined in my life. I myself have had a largely positive experience with institutional education, probably because some of the institutions I attended were very experimental, and even within the less experimental institutions, some of the teachers I had were radically experimental. I admire Beuys and Cage as experimental educators, and Black Mountain College (very near here) continues to inform my pedagogical aspirations. Perhaps my favorite pedagogical texts are Paul Klee's Bauhaus notebooks: The Thinking Eye and The Nature of Nature, just because they are so rigorously exhaustive. More than any craft (including artmaking, including writing) teaching is a bottomless pit. You could devote an entire life to mastering the craft and you would still have barely begun to scratch the surface. But we scratch on. Best, Curt Hi Curt all, As someone who mainly comes from a self-education position, or rather from a place where I come from a very poor and violent working class family - which spent most of the time either being put in social care, whether this be in borstals and prison, plus family members vanishing because of the failures of 70's social (un)care systems. Just think of 'Cathy Come Home' by Ken Loach - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathy_Come_Home and may get some idea of my own personal history. Moving on from that I wish to mention that, for me education is one of the most important aspects of human development and a human right. Because I was not fortunate when younger to be able to experience a decent education, I had to discover various sneaky ways in finding information that the terrible school I was at, was not teaching me. My passion to discover what was going in the world beyond the chaos of my everyday circumstance was strong - even obsessed, whether it was in science, politics, technology, history, philosophy or art, I would bunk school regularly and spend an awful lot of my time in the Essex Library, which thankfully was in Southend-on-Sea, a town 50 miles from London. Some examples of what I read from the age of 12 and 13 and (of course) onwards, were books such as the The Mass Psychology of Fascism by Wilhelm Reich, The Divided Self by R. D. Laing, James Joyce, T. S. Eliot and D. H. Lawrence. Carl Jung, Fear of Flying by Erica Jong, Herbert Read - especially Education Through Art and The Paradox of Anarchism, loads of art books. I am not saying that I understood these publications, but I am saying that it encouraged me to learn more and I have not stopped since. So, when I think of education I do not immediately think of official education as in universities or colleges. For I am a strong advocate of self-education, which also involves one being self critical as well. There is larger and broader context where individuals have the choice to explore life, art and all the other equally important subjects outside institution environments as well. One of my personal worries in respect of UK culture, which may be also the same regarding USA, although
Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January (Helen Sloan)
Hi Curt, You're course sounds fascinating. I wish I could enroll! It is my fervent wish that this book will become obsolete becaues the world will have changed so dramatically that this study of art-activism could only appar as a quaint historical artifact, its latent pessimism misguided, its failure to imagine otherwise indicative of the author's poverty of imagination. Until such a point, I will continue to look to tactical media artists for inspiration and guidance. (xii) Good to read the Raley quote... Although I know her writing from other contexts, I didn't realize she'd written a book on tactical media. Not that I myself look to tactical media artists for much inspiration or guidance, and probably by the end of the course we will have critiqued their approaches from contradictory perspectives -- the work is too didactic/hamfisted/pragmatic; the work is too disengaged/esoteric/impotent. (Throw a critical stone in the air and you will hit a tactical media artist.) Since the mid nineties, I was involved in one way or another with the Next 5 Minutes, a tactical media conference which happened every few years Amsterdam. Through that event which was a convergence of art and activism, I met some pretty amazing artists/activists/tactical media practitioners (some known and others more obscure). While I understand your cynicism, it feels strange to generalize about these practices in that they are quite diverse. So can you talk a little more about the kind of work you're referring to? I'm thinking here of the difference between let's say the sanctioned practices of Superflex or maybe N55 versus the more grass roots work (not sure if this is right word) of RepoHistory, Paper Tiger or Deep Dish Television. Btw: I'm asking this out of curiosity, not in an adversarial you-gotta- defend-yourself-way... it's more that I think about these issues myself :-) It is always amusing to me when artists and/or educators try to out-ethicalize each other, as if any of us are all that directly, pragmatically, quantitatively, measurably changing anything. For me, art and teaching are a gamble -- a gamble that some kind of abstract affective agency will eventually modulate actual aspects of the world in some way that will matter. Consequently, I admire others who are making similar wagers. I agree with you that art and teaching are a gamble also it's a slow cooking process, the impact is often difficult to see, measure or register. But I don't ever fool myself into believing that I'm on the street feeding the poor. Because I've done that kind of work as well, and it's quite a different thing. I wonder if you're trying to make a distinction between direct and indirect action. Feeding the poor on the street is immediate; give someone food, and their belly is full. Education is very indirect; educate someone, and they will make of it what they will (or not). In other words, these are two types of digestion with different rates of ingestion. (btw: as I'm writing this, it strikes me that somewhere buried in here is that quote about teaching a man to fish ;-) all the best, Renee www.geuzen.org www.fudgethefacts.com Rock Roll Ain't No Pollution, Curt There's more irony to be had in the quotes, that's why I posted them. That and, as Michael points out, they are funny. Art Language are anti-academic but started and have often ended up in academia. They are politically committed but show at a gentrifying, market-leading gallery. Despite protests to the contrary they are radical artists who have artworld careers. I like them. It's very easy to criticise academia, artistic careerism, the art market, politically/socially committed art etc. from the security of one's own, virtuous, position outside of them. But there's no point outside the world where we can stand and point and laugh at it. We all need to be careful about glass houses, or at least work on smashing our own windows, whether our teaching means we are objectively in academia or our radical socially committed artistic practice means we are objectively part of gentrification. The most important criticism is self-criticism, although this may sometimes mean that we have to admit we are not criticising others enough. ;-) I've taught, I've wired up abandoned warehouses, I've attended private views, I write reviews for a techno-art-and- society web community. We are all guilty... - Rob. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org
Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January (Helen Sloan)
Hi Renee, I found the post from Curt very interesting, as well as your own post mentioning your own experience about being part of The Next 5 Minutes in Amsterdam and Rotterdam. I went to the Next 5 minutes in 96 - http://www.n5m.org/n5m2/ and even though there were a couple of issues I had at that time which are perhaps not worth mentiong here right now, I found on the whole thing pretty amazing and inspiring. The term 'tactical media' arose in the aftermath of the fall of the Berlin Wall as a renaissance of media activism, blending old school political work and artists' engagement with new technologies. The early nineties saw a growing awareness of gender issues, exponential growth of media industries and the increasing availability of cheap do-it-yourself equipment creating a new sense of self-awareness amongst activists, programmers, theorists, curators and artists. Media were no longer seen as merely tools for the Struggle, but experienced as virtual environments whose parameters were permanently 'under construction'. This was the golden age of tactical media, open to issues of aesthetics and experimentation with alternative forms of story telling. However, these liberating techno practices did not immediately translate into visible social movements. Rather, they symbolized the celebration of media freedom, in itself a great political goal. The media used - from video, CD-ROM, cassettes, zines and flyers to music styles such as rap and techno - varied widely, as did the content. A commonly shared feeling was that politically motivated activities, be they art or research or advocacy work, were no longer part of a politically correct ghetto and could intervene in 'pop culture' without necessarily having to compromise with the 'system.' With everything up for negotiation, new coalitions could be formed. The current movements worldwide cannot be understood outside of the diverse and often very personal for digital freedom of expression. http://www.n5m4.org/journald8be.html?118+575+2372 There were a few things happening at the same time then in the UK which, seemed to fit well with the context of what was also being explored at The Next 5 Minutes also. There were disturbing situations in the artworld, stemming from the early 80s, and well into the 90s, when UK art culture was hijacked by the marketing strategies of Saatchi and Saatchi, a formidable force in the advertising world. The same company had been responsible for the successful promotion of the Conservative party (and conservative culture) that had led to the election of the Thatcher government in 1979. Saatchi and Saatchi promoted art products from their own gallery under the populist brand of BritArt. Applying their marketing techniques and corporate power, the company accomplished a parallel coup within the British art scene, creating an elite of artists who embraced the commodification of their personalities alongside depoliticized artworks. BritArt’s dominance of the 90s UK art world-its galleries, markets and press-with a small number of high profile artists, delighted nouveau toffs but disempowered the majority of artists. It degraded and smothered artistic discourse by fueling a competitive and divisive attitude towards a shrinking public platform for their practice and the representation of their work. http://www.a-n.co.uk/publications/article/422251 Many of us in the UK had been working with art and technology from the late eighties in various ways, and in the mid-nineties. a lot of net art was around at the time - but there were groups, collectives forming togeher. For instance, Backspace (1996-99), an informal production space, sited on the Thames at London Bridge. The Backspace cyberlounge was open to people at all levels of technical experience and encouraged the sharing of ideas and technical resources, both in the physical space and across the globe via the Internet. It also acted as a venue for events and mini-conferences advocating a DIY consciousness and encouraging users to get their hands dirty with technology and its culture. The unspoken challenge to its members was that they should create something alternative to the dominant commercial culture on the Internet. It drew on the experience and involvement of its members (including the authors’) in pirate radio and pirate television, digital bulletin boards and use of the streets as a canvas and art platform. It connected with the work of groups like I/O/D, Irational, Mongrel and Mute magazine to hack around everyday culture using public communication platforms to create independent art works and publications. Most of the UK groups I have mentioned above were at The Next 5 Minutes festival (of course many more I have no time to mention). I was not actually invited to the festival, due to not having the correct credentials at that time, as in not being featured by the likes of Lovink, Stalibras and Manovich,
Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January (Helen Sloan)
Hi Curt all, As someone who mainly comes from a self-education position, or rather from a place where I come from a very poor and violent working class family - which spent most of the time either being put in social care, whether this be in borstals and prison, plus family members vanishing because of the failures of 70's social (un)care systems. Just think of 'Cathy Come Home' by Ken Loach - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathy_Come_Home and may get some idea of my own personal history. Moving on from that I wish to mention that, for me education is one of the most important aspects of human development and a human right. Because I was not fortunate when younger to be able to experience a decent education, I had to discover various sneaky ways in finding information that the terrible school I was at, was not teaching me. My passion to discover what was going in the world beyond the chaos of my everyday circumstance was strong - even obsessed, whether it was in science, politics, technology, history, philosophy or art, I would bunk school regularly and spend an awful lot of my time in the Essex Library, which thankfully was in Southend-on-Sea, a town 50 miles from London. Some examples of what I read from the age of 12 and 13 and (of course) onwards, were books such as the The Mass Psychology of Fascism by Wilhelm Reich, The Divided Self by R. D. Laing, James Joyce, T. S. Eliot and D. H. Lawrence. Carl Jung, Fear of Flying by Erica Jong, Herbert Read - especially Education Through Art and The Paradox of Anarchism, loads of art books. I am not saying that I understood these publications, but I am saying that it encouraged me to learn more and I have not stopped since. So, when I think of education I do not immediately think of official education as in universities or colleges. For I am a strong advocate of self-education, which also involves one being self critical as well. There is larger and broader context where individuals have the choice to explore life, art and all the other equally important subjects outside institution environments as well. One of my personal worries in respect of UK culture, which may be also the same regarding USA, although influenced through different historical, political situations is that, my own class - as in, working class has turned into a mass of gibbering X Factor driven bimbos. Of course, this is not a universal issue, but the consumer orientated mediation of our cultures via neo liberal agendas have not helped. I personally do not think that individuals themselves should deny any official forms of education. For there are some good educators here and there who are decent and authentic in appreciating how to learn themselves, and are active in the process of engaging with students in ways that attempt in spirit, to transcend beyond the bland and over-efficient trappings of slack management structures that manner are dealing with. Not just this, economics is factor in the real world and gaining degrees and learning via institutional means gets you a job. From that, if you are artist you get some proper money to fund your own projects on your own terms etc... The irony of learning outside of my school environment at that age was that, at 14 I was asked to go to college at weekends by the Essex council. Which was strange because all the other students were on average 17-20 years of age. I was told to go back to school or they would put me in a Borstal, so I did in the end. From this experience ideas around education have also been informed by writers such as 'Deschooling Society' by Ivan Illich, and other works such Pedagogy of the Oppressed' by Paulo Friere. Yet, in contrast to all of this art (whatever medium) as a from of creative expression has always been my main agenda and always will be :-) wishing you well. marc Hi Rob (and all), Fun quotes (for the prose alone). Yes. stones, glass houses, logs in eyes and specks in eyes. The following quote is from the acknowledgements of Rita Raley's 2009 Tactical Media book (which I will teach this semester in a freshman liberal studies introductory colloquium course called Tactical Media / D.I.Y. Anarchy): It is my fervent wish that this book will become obsolete becaues the world will have changed so dramatically that this study of art-activism could only appar as a quaint historical artifact, its latent pessimism misguided, its failure to imagine otherwise indicative of the author's poverty of imagination. Until such a point, I will continue to look to tactical media artists for inspiration and guidance. (xii) Not that I myself look to tactical media artists for much inspiration or guidance, and probably by the end of the course we will have critiqued their approaches from contradictory perspectives -- the work is too didactic/hamfisted/pragmatic; the work is too disengaged/esoteric/impotent. (Throw a critical stone in the air and
Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January (Helen Sloan)
I am with Marc on this, in more ways than one. I come from what could be considered a privileged background, compared to what Marc describes. Mine was a middle class academic family growing up on a beautiful wild beach in Australia (as different from Southend on Sea as you could get, except for the presence of the sea). However, like Marc, I didn¹t school well. I ran away from home at 15, living on communes and in surfer communities around the country (this was the beginning of the 70¹s, so that wasn¹t that unusual then). My parents, being liberals, could not find any way of dealing with this. The result was I never acquired a school or University qualification and am effectively self-taught. Hippy life can burn you out. Too many drugs and too much disorder eventually get to you. I went off to live on my own, quietly, to concentrate on what I felt I could do well painting. I was again lucky, as in my childhood the family friends were mostly artists (my mother was a poet) so I learned both technical knowledge from a young age and also an appreciation of what the artist¹s life can be. It was an easy thing for me to slip into being. I never went to art college. So, it is strange for me that throughout my professional life I have often found myself working in art colleges and other academic environments. They are not alien to me, as I grew up in a studious context, with books and art. But it can be weird to teach when you can only imagine what it is like to be a student. However, one advantage I have is that I can argue, with conviction, that a degree is not a pre-requisite to being an artist. I can describe education as being about a personal journey into knowledge and creativity, not a piece of paper that will eventually validate you. My own experience can stand as evidence that you do not need to fulfil other people¹s expectations to achieve what you want. Education is the most effective force for social change I have come across and it should be the right of every individual to have as much of it as they want (or can stand). Education can (should) be a primary resource for transformation. It does not need to be formalised, but to create substantial resource infrastructure you sometimes need large institutions. When I argue the case for artists working in academic environments I do so from a conviction concerning education¹s transformative capacity, not from some idea that everyone needs to be appropriately validated. That validation is part of the problem with education. Best Simon Simon Biggs Research Professor edinburgh college of art s.bi...@eca.ac.uk www.eca.ac.uk Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments CIRCLE research group www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ si...@littlepig.org.uk www.littlepig.org.uk AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk From: marc garrett marc.garr...@furtherfield.org Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 14:44:25 + To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January (Helen Sloan) Hi Curt all, As someone who mainly comes from a self-education position, or rather from a place where I come from a very poor and violent working class family - which spent most of the time either being put in social care, whether this be in borstals and prison, plus family members vanishing because of the failures of 70's social (un)care systems. Just think of 'Cathy Come Home' by Ken Loach - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathy_Come_Home and may get some idea of my own personal history. Moving on from that I wish to mention that, for me education is one of the most important aspects of human development and a human right. Because I was not fortunate when younger to be able to experience a decent education, I had to discover various sneaky ways in finding information that the terrible school I was at, was not teaching me. My passion to discover what was going in the world beyond the chaos of my everyday circumstance was strong - even obsessed, whether it was in science, politics, technology, history, philosophy or art, I would bunk school regularly and spend an awful lot of my time in the Essex Library, which thankfully was in Southend-on-Sea, a town 50 miles from London. Some examples of what I read from the age of 12 and 13 and (of course) onwards, were books such as the The Mass Psychology of Fascism by Wilhelm Reich, The Divided Self by R. D. Laing, James Joyce, T. S. Eliot and D. H. Lawrence. Carl Jung, Fear of Flying by Erica Jong, Herbert Read - especially Education Through Art and The Paradox of Anarchism, loads of art books. I am not saying that I understood these publications, but I am saying that it encouraged me to learn more and I have not stopped since. So, when I think of education I do not immediately think of official education
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Ah! I knew some of Marc's history but not yours Simon - this is fascinating and really helps to put into context some of the things you have argued here. There's nothing I'd disagree with here. It's often (well it is for me) nerve racking to post something more personal, especially when a lot of heat has been generated in a discussion, but I'm glad you have. regards michael --- On Sun, 1/10/10, Simon Biggs s.bi...@eca.ac.uk wrote: From: Simon Biggs s.bi...@eca.ac.uk Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January (Helen Sloan) To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 3:35 PM Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January (Helen Sloan) I am with Marc on this, in more ways than one. I come from what could be considered a privileged background, compared to what Marc describes. Mine was a middle class academic family growing up on a beautiful wild beach in Australia (as different from Southend on Sea as you could get, except for the presence of the sea). However, like Marc, I didn’t school well. I ran away from home at 15, living on communes and in surfer communities around the country (this was the beginning of the 70’s, so that wasn’t that unusual then). My parents, being liberals, could not find any way of dealing with this. The result was I never acquired a school or University qualification and am effectively self-taught. Hippy life can burn you out. Too many drugs and too much disorder eventually get to you. I went off to live on my own, quietly, to concentrate on what I felt I could do well – painting. I was again lucky, as in my childhood the family friends were mostly artists (my mother was a poet) so I learned both technical knowledge from a young age and also an appreciation of what the artist’s life can be. It was an easy thing for me to slip into being. I never went to art college. So, it is strange for me that throughout my professional life I have often found myself working in art colleges and other academic environments. They are not alien to me, as I grew up in a studious context, with books and art. But it can be weird to teach when you can only imagine what it is like to be a student. However, one advantage I have is that I can argue, with conviction, that a degree is not a pre-requisite to being an artist. I can describe education as being about a personal journey into knowledge and creativity, not a piece of paper that will eventually validate you. My own experience can stand as evidence that you do not need to fulfil other people’s expectations to achieve what you want. Education is the most effective force for social change I have come across and it should be the right of every individual to have as much of it as they want (or can stand). Education can (should) be a primary resource for transformation. It does not need to be formalised, but to create substantial resource infrastructure you sometimes need large institutions. When I argue the case for artists working in academic environments I do so from a conviction concerning education’s transformative capacity, not from some idea that everyone needs to be appropriately validated. That validation is part of the problem with education. Best Simon Simon Biggs Research Professor edinburgh college of art s.bi...@eca.ac.uk www.eca.ac.uk Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments CIRCLE research group www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ si...@littlepig.org.uk www.littlepig.org.uk AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk From: marc garrett marc.garr...@furtherfield.org Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 14:44:25 + To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January (Helen Sloan) Hi Curt all, As someone who mainly comes from a self-education position, or rather from a place where I come from a very poor and violent working class family - which spent most of the time either being put in social care, whether this be in borstals and prison, plus family members vanishing because of the failures of 70's social (un)care systems. Just think of 'Cathy Come Home' by Ken Loach - http://en.wikipediaorg/wiki/Cathy_Come_Home and may get some idea of my own personal history. Moving on from that I wish to mention that, for me education is one of the most important aspects of human development and a human right. Because I was not fortunate when younger to be able
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From: Michael Szpakowski szp...@yahoo.com Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 09:31:50 -0800 (PST) To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January (Helen Sloan) Ah! I knew some of Marc's history but not yours Simon - this is fascinating and really helps to put into context some of the things you have argued here. There's nothing I'd disagree with here. It's often (well it is for me) nerve racking to post something more personal, especially when a lot of heat has been generated in a discussion, but I'm glad you have. regards michael --- On Sun, 1/10/10, Simon Biggs s.bi...@eca.ac.uk wrote: From: Simon Biggs s.bi...@eca.ac.uk Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January (Helen Sloan) To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 3:35 PM Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January (Helen Sloan) I am with Marc on this, in more ways than one. I come from what could be considered a privileged background, compared to what Marc describes. Mine was a middle class academic family growing up on a beautiful wild beach in Australia (as different from Southend on Sea as you could get, except for the presence of the sea). However, like Marc, I didn¹t school well. I ran away from home at 15, living on communes and in surfer communities around the country (this was the beginning of the 70¹s, so that wasn¹t that unusual then). My parents, being liberals, could not find any way of dealing with this. The result was I never acquired a school or University qualification and am effectively self-taught. Hippy life can burn you out. Too many drugs and too much disorder eventually get to you. I went off to live on my own, quietly, to concentrate on what I felt I could do well painting. I was again lucky, as in my childhood the family friends were mostly artists (my mother was a poet) so I learned both technical knowledge from a young age and also an appreciation of what the artist¹s life can be. It was an easy thing for me to slip into being. I never went to art college. So, it is strange for me that throughout my professional life I have often found myself working in art colleges and other academic environments. They are not alien to me, as I grew up in a studious context, with books and art. But it can be weird to teach when you can only imagine what it is like to be a student. However, one advantage I have is that I can argue, with conviction, that a degree is not a pre-requisite to being an artist. I can describe education as being about a personal journey into knowledge and creativity, not a piece of paper that will eventually validate you. My own experience can stand as evidence that you do not need to fulfil other people¹s expectations to achieve what you want. Education is the most effective force for social change I have come across and it should be the right of every individual to have as much of it as they want (or can stand). Education can (should) be a primary resource for transformation. It does not need to be formalised, but to create substantial resource infrastructure you sometimes need large institutions. When I argue the case for artists working in academic environments I do so from a conviction concerning education¹s transformative capacity, not from some idea that everyone needs to be appropriately validated. That validation is part of the problem with education. Best Simon Simon Biggs Research Professor edinburgh college of art s.bi...@eca.ac.uk www.eca.ac.uk Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments CIRCLE research group www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ si...@littlepig.org.uk www.littlepig.org.uk AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk From: marc garrett marc.garr...@furtherfield.org Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 14:44:25 + To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January (Helen Sloan) Hi Curt all, As someone who mainly comes from a self-education position, or rather from a place where I come from a very poor and violent working class family - which spent most of the time either being put in social care, whether this be in borstals and prison, plus family members vanishing because of the failures of 70
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I've really enjoyed this discussion - and learned a lot from what others are doing. It's really helpful to know how others work, survive, live, make art - this way I can learn about options. I'm still trying to find my way - and quite lost most of the time! thanks, dave 2010/1/10 Michael Szpakowski szp...@yahoo.com: Ah! I knew some of Marc's history but not yours Simon - this is fascinating and really helps to put into context some of the things you have argued here. There's nothing I'd disagree with here. It's often (well it is for me) nerve racking to post something more personal, especially when a lot of heat has been generated in a discussion, but I'm glad you have. regards michael --- On Sun, 1/10/10, Simon Biggs s.bi...@eca.ac.uk wrote: From: Simon Biggs s.bi...@eca.ac.uk Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January (Helen Sloan) To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 3:35 PM Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January (Helen Sloan) I am with Marc on this, in more ways than one. I come from what could be considered a privileged background, compared to what Marc describes. Mine was a middle class academic family growing up on a beautiful wild beach in Australia (as different from Southend on Sea as you could get, except for the presence of the sea). However, like Marc, I didn’t school well. I ran away from home at 15, living on communes and in surfer communities around the country (this was the beginning of the 70’s, so that wasn’t that unusual then). My parents, being liberals, could not find any way of dealing with this. The result was I never acquired a school or University qualification and am effectively self-taught. Hippy life can burn you out. Too many drugs and too much disorder eventually get to you. I went off to live on my own, quietly, to concentrate on what I felt I could do well – painting. I was again lucky, as in my childhood the family friends were mostly artists (my mother was a poet) so I learned both technical knowledge from a young age and also an appreciation of what the artist’s life can be. It was an easy thing for me to slip into being. I never went to art college. So, it is strange for me that throughout my professional life I have often found myself working in art colleges and other academic environments. They are not alien to me, as I grew up in a studious context, with books and art. But it can be weird to teach when you can only imagine what it is like to be a student. However, one advantage I have is that I can argue, with conviction, that a degree is not a pre-requisite to being an artist. I can describe education as being about a personal journey into knowledge and creativity, not a piece of paper that will eventually validate you. My own experience can stand as evidence that you do not need to fulfil other people’s expectations to achieve what you want. Education is the most effective force for social change I have come across and it should be the right of every individual to have as much of it as they want (or can stand). Education can (should) be a primary resource for transformation. It does not need to be formalised, but to create substantial resource infrastructure you sometimes need large institutions. When I argue the case for artists working in academic environments I do so from a conviction concerning education’s transformative capacity, not from some idea that everyone needs to be appropriately validated. That validation is part of the problem with education. Best Simon Simon Biggs Research Professor edinburgh college of art s.bi...@eca.ac.uk www.eca.ac.uk Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments CIRCLE research group www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ si...@littlepig.org.uk www.littlepig.org.uk AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk From: marc garrett marc.garr...@furtherfield.org Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 14:44:25 + To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January (Helen Sloan) Hi Curt all, As someone who mainly comes from a self-education position, or rather from a place where I come from a very poor and violent working class family - which spent most of the time either being put in social care, whether this be in borstals and prison, plus family members vanishing because of the failures of 70's social (un)care systems. Just think of 'Cathy Come Home' by Ken Loach - http://en.wikipediaorg/wiki/Cathy_Come_Home and may
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Hi Renee, I'm just playing devil's advocate with those potential critiques of tactical media. You are absolutely correct to point out that tactical media is anything but monolothic and homogenous -- by definition, because to be tactical is to be supple. The work we will discuss in class is the work Raley includes in her book. Her three main genres are border disruptions, allegorical gaming (my term, not hers), and data (re)visualizations (mosty regarding capital). I teach at a public liberal arts university in southern Appalachia in the US, and this particular course is outside of my new media department. So these will be freshman students, 80% from North Carolina, and probably none who will go on to major in new media, or even art. I have no agenda to sell them the work or to undermine it. I am genuinely interested to see their response to it. Personally, I myself am one to push tactical into even less overtly political realms (referencing de Certeau's original use of consumer tactics vs. institutional strategies.) True de Certeauean tactics are more like reading and walking. Someone like CAE or The Yes Men are really employing techniques that are closer to institutional strateiges (although to obviously more disruptive ends). So for instance, here I theoretically embrace artistic web surfing as a kind of legitimate tactic: http://lab404.com/articles/commodify_your_consumption.pdf Ranciere makes a similar move, basically arguing that the litmus test of ethical art is not simply that it overtly addresses political themes. Ranciere's argument hinges on his understanding of ethical education and ethical theater -- presenting something without overdetermining it, allowing the learner/viewer to make their own sense of the experience. This approach seems similar to de Certeau's original understanding of consumer tactics. All that to say, my own aesthetic critique is that the work of someone like The Yes Men might be too overtly political. To me, art is better suited for other less didactic, more abstract moves. But honestly, I like The Yes Men (mostly because of their humor, and because their criticality is hopeful). Fortunately I can enjoy genres of art that I myself am not personally compelled to make. But I'm guessing (some of) my students will likely critique (some of) the work in Raley's book from the opposite perspeective -- namely that the work is not really changing anything. This is a standing critique of all art (tactical, new media, old media, whatever) leveled from extra-art circles. In the class we will go on to consider situationist texts, culminating with Public Image Limited's appearance on American Bandstand in 1980 [ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdYevkJf--M ]. Then Hakim Bey's TAZ, Baudrillaud's simulacrum. And I hope to end on the Bergson/Whitehead/Deleuze/Latour thread -- philosophers considering the nature of change at all -- what real change is and how it might be affected. + Regarding giving a man a fish vs. teaching a man to fish, if we are teaching new media art/theory, we're not really teaching anybody to fish. Teaching database programming at a technical college or plumbing at a trade school is more like teaching somebody to fish. We are doing something even more abstract and indirect than that. Best, Curt Hi Curt, You're course sounds fascinating. I wish I could enroll! It is my fervent wish that this book will become obsolete becaues the world will have changed so dramatically that this study of art-activism could only appar as a quaint historical artifact, its latent pessimism misguided, its failure to imagine otherwise indicative of the author's poverty of imagination. Until such a point, I will continue to look to tactical media artists for inspiration and guidance. (xii) Good to read the Raley quote... Although I know her writing from other contexts, I didn't realize she'd written a book on tactical media. Not that I myself look to tactical media artists for much inspiration or guidance, and probably by the end of the course we will have critiqued their approaches from contradictory perspectives -- the work is too didactic/hamfisted/pragmatic; the work is too disengaged/esoteric/impotent. (Throw a critical stone in the air and you will hit a tactical media artist.) Since the mid nineties, I was involved in one way or another with the Next 5 Minutes, a tactical media conference which happened every few years Amsterdam. Through that event which was a convergence of art and activism, I met some pretty amazing artists/activists/tactical media practitioners (some known and others more obscure). While I understand your cynicism, it feels strange to generalize about these practices in that they are quite diverse. So can you talk a little more about the kind of work you're referring to? I'm thinking here of the difference between let's say the sanctioned practices of
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Thanks Marc, I would say that explains a lot, and I mean that as a compliment. In addition to Illich and Friere, I would add Ranciere's The Ignorant Schoolmaster. We homeschool four children with a fifth on the way, so teaching, art making, and writing are increasingly intertwined in my life. I myself have had a largely positive experience with institutional education, probably because some of the institutions I attended were very experimental, and even within the less experimental institutions, some of the teachers I had were radically experimental. I admire Beuys and Cage as experimental educators, and Black Mountain College (very near here) continues to inform my pedagogical aspirations. Perhaps my favorite pedagogical texts are Paul Klee's Bauhaus notebooks: The Thinking Eye and The Nature of Nature, just because they are so rigorously exhaustive. More than any craft (including artmaking, including writing) teaching is a bottomless pit. You could devote an entire life to mastering the craft and you would still have barely begun to scratch the surface. But we scratch on. Best, Curt Hi Curt all, As someone who mainly comes from a self-education position, or rather from a place where I come from a very poor and violent working class family - which spent most of the time either being put in social care, whether this be in borstals and prison, plus family members vanishing because of the failures of 70's social (un)care systems. Just think of 'Cathy Come Home' by Ken Loach - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathy_Come_Home and may get some idea of my own personal history. Moving on from that I wish to mention that, for me education is one of the most important aspects of human development and a human right. Because I was not fortunate when younger to be able to experience a decent education, I had to discover various sneaky ways in finding information that the terrible school I was at, was not teaching me. My passion to discover what was going in the world beyond the chaos of my everyday circumstance was strong - even obsessed, whether it was in science, politics, technology, history, philosophy or art, I would bunk school regularly and spend an awful lot of my time in the Essex Library, which thankfully was in Southend-on-Sea, a town 50 miles from London. Some examples of what I read from the age of 12 and 13 and (of course) onwards, were books such as the The Mass Psychology of Fascism by Wilhelm Reich, The Divided Self by R. D. Laing, James Joyce, T. S. Eliot and D. H. Lawrence. Carl Jung, Fear of Flying by Erica Jong, Herbert Read - especially Education Through Art and The Paradox of Anarchism, loads of art books. I am not saying that I understood these publications, but I am saying that it encouraged me to learn more and I have not stopped since. So, when I think of education I do not immediately think of official education as in universities or colleges. For I am a strong advocate of self-education, which also involves one being self critical as well. There is larger and broader context where individuals have the choice to explore life, art and all the other equally important subjects outside institution environments as well. One of my personal worries in respect of UK culture, which may be also the same regarding USA, although influenced through different historical, political situations is that, my own class - as in, working class has turned into a mass of gibbering X Factor driven bimbos. Of course, this is not a universal issue, but the consumer orientated mediation of our cultures via neo liberal agendas have not helped. I personally do not think that individuals themselves should deny any official forms of education. For there are some good educators here and there who are decent and authentic in appreciating how to learn themselves, and are active in the process of engaging with students in ways that attempt in spirit, to transcend beyond the bland and over-efficient trappings of slack management structures that manner are dealing with. Not just this, economics is factor in the real world and gaining degrees and learning via institutional means gets you a job. From that, if you are artist you get some proper money to fund your own projects on your own terms etc... The irony of learning outside of my school environment at that age was that, at 14 I was asked to go to college at weekends by the Essex council. Which was strange because all the other students were on average 17-20 years of age. I was told to go back to school or they would put me in a Borstal, so I did in the end. From this experience ideas around education have also been informed by writers such as 'Deschooling Society' by Ivan Illich, and other works such Pedagogy of the Oppressed' by Paulo Friere. Yet, in contrast to all of this art (whatever medium) as a from of creative expression has always been my main agenda and always will be :-) wishing you well. marc
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Like so many of the what's the problem? posts this treats the language associated with art theory ( and indeed cultural social ideas in general) as if it is transparent and uncontested which of course, even on a daily basis ( think party politics, war and peace, healthcare, popular culture), it is absolutely not. It's a particularly bizarre blindness coming from the very folk who seem to be most enthusiastic about academia* whom one would have thought would have welcomed a question everything approach. Essentially the argument seems to be that Martin is stupid which strikes me as rude, deeply condescending and untrue. Awkward, yes, and not always entirely clear but let him/her that is without sin... michael * and by academia let me say what I mean -I don't mean teaching in whatever context -like Renee I'm utterly in favour. Nor do I mean the art school tradition at least up to the 70s. I'm referring particularly to developments over the last 30 years or so. I'm amazed that people can be so sanguine about the university research culture ( which has swallowed the art schools) when it is being constantly more colonised by the market market values - again there are surely deep issues here in the way this affects what constitutes research and indeed art as defined within the academy, which doesn't of course float Zeppelin-like above the rest of society ( and I'm very grateful to Rob for the Art and Language quotes which I previously knew nothing about and which both made me laugh and struck me as enormously pertinent). And I'm *not* trying to make some easy or pat argument - I'm saying there are *unanswered and legitimate questions* and there is *room for discussion*... --- On Sat, 1/9/10, mark cooley flawed...@yahoo.com wrote: From: mark cooley flawed...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January (Helen Sloan) To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Saturday, January 9, 2010, 1:45 AM Helen, Thank you for the generous restatement of a perfectly understandable original. Frankly, I wouldn't have had the patience. It always amazes me just how bold idiocy can be. One would think that an unfamiliar language might spark one's curiosity to well... want to learn something rather than be offended at your audacity of straying from a 5th grade vocabulary. what excitement a few well placed words can create! i've found it interesting that there is often a violent reaction to the language of cultural studies or art criticism on some lists, but techno jargon is used with a badge of pride. i can't imagine that if every time i heard some tech speak that i didn't understand that i accused the authors of being elitist technocrats. btw. sounds like an interesting show. -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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Michael Szpakowski wrote: Like so many of the what's the problem? posts this treats the language associated with art theory ( and indeed cultural social ideas in general) as if it is transparent and uncontested which of course, even on a daily basis ( think party politics, war and peace, healthcare, popular culture), it is absolutely not. It's a particularly bizarre blindness coming from the very folk who seem to be most enthusiastic about academia* whom one would have thought would have welcomed a question everything approach. Essentially the argument seems to be that Martin is stupid which strikes me as rude, deeply condescending and untrue. Awkward, yes, and not always entirely clear but let him/her that is without sin... michael This is a good old fashioned bit of shit-stirring. Martin has clarified his position on this which is great. Given the dogmatic nature of his original comments, it's hardly a surprise he got the response he did, although I agree we could have done without the graphics. * and by academia let me say what I mean -I don't mean teaching in whatever context -like Renee I'm utterly in favour. * and by academia let me say what I mean -I don't mean teaching It's convenient for your argument to separate the two, but not reasonable. Academia produces human and intellectual capital. This occurs through teaching and research ( or studio practice) carried out by academics... Nor do I mean the art school tradition at least up to the 70s. Yup great for tiny elite that actually managed to get into these paragons of art pedagogy. I find the romanticisation of the old art school system hard to stomach. Was it really so much better than we have now from a students perspective? Aren't we better off now that we have more going to art schools despite the obvious resourcing issues? I'm referring particularly to developments over the last 30 years or so. I'm amazed that people can be so sanguine about the university research culture ( which has swallowed the art schools) when it is being constantly more colonised by the market market values - again there are surely deep issues here in the way this affects what constitutes research and indeed art as defined within the academy, which doesn't of course float Zeppelin-like above the rest of society ( This is a separate argument. Nobody is denying there are issues in academia about how research is framed. Many ongoing lively debates around this issue are directly contributed to by members of this mailing list (e.g. simon, corrardo) It's the relentless misrepresentation and frankly lazy, yes and *condescending* characterization (to use your term), of the academy that gets peoples goat. and I'm very grateful to Rob for the Art and Language quotes which I previously knew nothing about and which both made me laugh and struck me as enormously pertinent). And I'm *not* trying to make some easy or pat argument - I'm saying there are *unanswered and legitimate questions* and there is *room for discussion*... As pointed out by Simon, I found the art and language quotes deeply ironic given that their practice was largely nourished (and financed) within the University of Leeds. Ahem. --- On Sat, 1/9/10, mark cooley flawed...@yahoo.com wrote: From: mark cooley flawed...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January (Helen Sloan) To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Saturday, January 9, 2010, 1:45 AM Helen, Thank you for the generous restatement of a perfectly understandable original. Frankly, I wouldn't have had the patience. It always amazes me just how bold idiocy can be. One would think that an unfamiliar language might spark one's curiosity to well... want to learn something rather than be offended at your audacity of straying from a 5th grade vocabulary. what excitement a few well placed words can create! i've found it interesting that there is often a violent reaction to the language of cultural studies or art criticism on some lists, but techno jargon is used with a badge of pride. i can't imagine that if every time i heard some tech speak that i didn't understand that i accused the authors of being elitist technocrats. btw. sounds like an interesting show. -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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I am not wearing rose tinted spectacles here, particularly at a time when the UK higher education sector is witnessing its resource base shrink by 25% over the next three years. Even though these changes are only just beginning I¹ve already witnessed brutal management tactics, at a number of institutions, being implemented in order to save costs. That means people losing their jobs and, ultimately, many of them losing their homes and the means to care for themselves and their families. They can also lose their sense of value. The main problem in academia is not the academics. It is management culture. A few institutions have sustained governance structures that are founded on collegiality and transparency amongst academics. Most others have brought in or created professional managerial layers in their organisations. This has also happened at the critical interface between government and education, the funding councils and policy institutes. The result of this is an instrumentalisation of knowledge and creativity, which is arguably what is at the core of Michael¹s critique. Knowledge or art for its own sake? No! We are now required to evidence the social and economic value of everything we do. How does an artist articulate this, or an astronomer or philosopher? In many cases it cannot be... This has also happened in the art world. Want money from the Arts Council? You will be required to justify the social and economic value of your proposed activities. Want to make it without state support you will need to satisfy the demands of the commercial market. There are those who think these are good things, whether they be patrician socialists or free-marketers. Whatever, instrumentalisation is not constrained to education it is a cultural trope. Academics are teachers and researchers. They have to be both if they are to contribute to knowledge and be able to transfer it as it is developed. These are highly creative activities, arguably as creative as the activities of many artists (I know academics who are more creative and innovative that a some artists I know). My experience of HE has been marred by management and also by certain conservative forces that remain within the academy, who do not want to see the role or value of knowledge change, who want to manage access to knowledge and the means to creating knowledge as an arbiter of power. I have observed this within the now largely defunct art school system and within the university system that has consumed those art schools. However, I have also experienced an intellectual fervour and openness to other ways of seeing that is heartening in how it challenges the dogmatic and blinkered thinking that underpins instrumental approaches to creativity and the making (and destroying) of knowledge. Education is a good thing. It has been observed many times, in places of conflict and suffering, that it is education that can make the long term difference; not food aid, drugs or weapons. Best Simon Simon Biggs Research Professor edinburgh college of art s.bi...@eca.ac.uk www.eca.ac.uk Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments CIRCLE research group www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ si...@littlepig.org.uk www.littlepig.org.uk AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk From: Michael Szpakowski szp...@yahoo.com Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 02:46:06 -0800 (PST) To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January (Helen Sloan) * and by academia let me say what I mean -I don't mean teaching in whatever context -like Renee I'm utterly in favour. Nor do I mean the art school tradition at least up to the 70s. I'm referring particularly to developments over the last 30 years or so. I'm amazed that people can be so sanguine about the university research culture ( which has swallowed the art schools) when it is being constantly more colonised by the market market values - again there are surely deep issues here in the way this affects what constitutes research and indeed art as defined within the academy, which doesn't of course float Zeppelin-like above the rest of society ( and I'm very grateful to Rob for the Art and Language quotes which I previously knew nothing about and which both made me laugh and struck me as enormously pertinent). And I'm *not* trying to make some easy or pat argument - I'm saying there are *unanswered and legitimate questions* and there is *room for discussion*... Edinburgh College of Art (eca) is a charity registered in Scotland, number SC009201 ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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It has been a bit of a difficult initiation to this list for me but I'm grateful to those who have welcomed me or acknowledged my original post about the screening programme. Thanks. I think Michael has a point here - the troubling language does permeate into everything and many of us are complicit in allowing it. I apologise for causing any offence around the tone of my original call. Rob's quotes from Art and Language were great and, although I take Simon's point about 'stones and glasshouses', they are pretty relevant in the context of this strand which seems to be making quite a lot of assumptions about the nature of art, academia/teaching and research. One of the things that has not been addressed really are the further changes that we are about to experience. Whilst creative practice has been embraced, there is a worrying 'enterprise' culture in academia in UK that looks like there will be favour the creative industries above artistic practice and approach (yes I know Creative Industries are supposed to embrace the arts but..). This has been prevalent elsewhere for some time and would love to know others' experiences of this. In UK, the annual budget for universities is to be slashed by £400m and Research Councils are going to fare no better. Universities are being encouraged to align with industry and to restructure their courses to be shorter and more 'vocational'. Most worrying for me is that my areas of interest fall under what is being termed by research here as Digital Economy and Green Knowledge Economy. Given the definitions and approach to the creative industries, in UK at least, this is going to make artistic practice, research and approach as some of us understand it rather tricky. We really should be fighting back on this (rather than with each other) or the arts might become a duller place to occupy - we've already seen it as Rob's quotes pointed out - in the use of the arts for social and urban regeneration (I'm not saying it's all bad but there are a lot of ill thought through projects in this context). On the other hand, this kind of adversity does bring invention but it seems a shame that all we've fought for and is positive feels like it's being eroded. On an up note, I like Dave's hairdresser and the ZIP_SOUNDS. Thanks :) H On 9/1/10 10:46, Michael Szpakowski szp...@yahoo.com wrote: Like so many of the what's the problem? posts this treats the language associated with art theory ( and indeed cultural social ideas in general) as if it is transparent and uncontested which of course, even on a daily basis ( think party politics, war and peace, healthcare, popular culture), it is absolutely not. It's a particularly bizarre blindness coming from the very folk who seem to be most enthusiastic about academia* whom one would have thought would have welcomed a question everything approach. Essentially the argument seems to be that Martin is stupid which strikes me as rude, deeply condescending and untrue. Awkward, yes, and not always entirely clear but let him/her that is without sin... michael * and by academia let me say what I mean -I don't mean teaching in whatever context -like Renee I'm utterly in favour. Nor do I mean the art school tradition at least up to the 70s. I'm referring particularly to developments over the last 30 years or so. I'm amazed that people can be so sanguine about the university research culture ( which has swallowed the art schools) when it is being constantly more colonised by the market market values - again there are surely deep issues here in the way this affects what constitutes research and indeed art as defined within the academy, which doesn't of course float Zeppelin-like above the rest of society ( and I'm very grateful to Rob for the Art and Language quotes which I previously knew nothing about and which both made me laugh and struck me as enormously pertinent). And I'm *not* trying to make some easy or pat argument - I'm saying there are *unanswered and legitimate questions* and there is *room for discussion*... --- On Sat, 1/9/10, mark cooley flawed...@yahoo.com wrote: From: mark cooley flawed...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January (Helen Sloan) To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Saturday, January 9, 2010, 1:45 AM Helen, Thank you for the generous restatement of a perfectly understandable original. Frankly, I wouldn't have had the patience. It always amazes me just how bold idiocy can be. One would think that an unfamiliar language might spark one's curiosity to well... want to learn something rather than be offended at your audacity of straying from a 5th grade vocabulary. what excitement a few well placed words can create! i've found it interesting that there is often a violent reaction to the language of cultural studies or art criticism on some lists, but techno jargon is used
Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January (Helen Sloan)
Ah, Simon I¹ve just sent something similar. H On 9/1/10 12:00, Simon Biggs s.bi...@eca.ac.uk wrote: I am not wearing rose tinted spectacles here, particularly at a time when the UK higher education sector is witnessing its resource base shrink by 25% over the next three years. Even though these changes are only just beginning I¹ve already witnessed brutal management tactics, at a number of institutions, being implemented in order to save costs. That means people losing their jobs and, ultimately, many of them losing their homes and the means to care for themselves and their families. They can also lose their sense of value. The main problem in academia is not the academics. It is management culture. A few institutions have sustained governance structures that are founded on collegiality and transparency amongst academics. Most others have brought in or created professional managerial layers in their organisations. This has also happened at the critical interface between government and education, the funding councils and policy institutes. The result of this is an instrumentalisation of knowledge and creativity, which is arguably what is at the core of Michael¹s critique. Knowledge or art for its own sake? No! We are now required to evidence the social and economic value of everything we do. How does an artist articulate this, or an astronomer or philosopher? In many cases it cannot be... This has also happened in the art world. Want money from the Arts Council? You will be required to justify the social and economic value of your proposed activities. Want to make it without state support you will need to satisfy the demands of the commercial market. There are those who think these are good things, whether they be patrician socialists or free-marketers. Whatever, instrumentalisation is not constrained to education it is a cultural trope. Academics are teachers and researchers. They have to be both if they are to contribute to knowledge and be able to transfer it as it is developed. These are highly creative activities, arguably as creative as the activities of many artists (I know academics who are more creative and innovative that a some artists I know). My experience of HE has been marred by management and also by certain conservative forces that remain within the academy, who do not want to see the role or value of knowledge change, who want to manage access to knowledge and the means to creating knowledge as an arbiter of power. I have observed this within the now largely defunct art school system and within the university system that has consumed those art schools. However, I have also experienced an intellectual fervour and openness to other ways of seeing that is heartening in how it challenges the dogmatic and blinkered thinking that underpins instrumental approaches to creativity and the making (and destroying) of knowledge. Education is a good thing. It has been observed many times, in places of conflict and suffering, that it is education that can make the long term difference; not food aid, drugs or weapons. Best Simon Simon Biggs Research Professor edinburgh college of art s.bi...@eca.ac.uk www.eca.ac.uk Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments CIRCLE research group www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ si...@littlepig.org.uk www.littlepig.org.uk AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk From: Michael Szpakowski szp...@yahoo.com Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 02:46:06 -0800 (PST) To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January (Helen Sloan) * and by academia let me say what I mean -I don't mean teaching in whatever context -like Renee I'm utterly in favour. Nor do I mean the art school tradition at least up to the 70s. I'm referring particularly to developments over the last 30 years or so. I'm amazed that people can be so sanguine about the university research culture ( which has swallowed the art schools) when it is being constantly more colonised by the market market values - again there are surely deep issues here in the way this affects what constitutes research and indeed art as defined within the academy, which doesn't of course float Zeppelin-like above the rest of society ( and I'm very grateful to Rob for the Art and Language quotes which I previously knew nothing about and which both made me laugh and struck me as enormously pertinent). And I'm *not* trying to make some easy or pat argument - I'm saying there are *unanswered and legitimate questions* and there is *room for discussion*... Edinburgh College of Art (eca) is a charity registered in Scotland, number SC009201
Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January (Helen Sloan)
Apologies if this comes through twice... It has been a bit of a difficult initiation to this list for me but I'm grateful to those who have welcomed me or acknowledged my original post about the screening programme. Thanks. I think Michael has a point here - the troubling language does permeate into everything and many of us are complicit in allowing it. I apologise for causing any offence around the tone of my original call. Rob's quotes from Art and Language were great and, although I take Simon's point about 'stones and glasshouses', they are pretty relevant in the context of this strand which seems to be making quite a lot of assumptions about the nature of art, academia/teaching and research. One of the things that has not been addressed really are the further changes that we are about to experience. Whilst creative practice has been embraced, there is a worrying 'enterprise' culture in academia in UK that looks like there will be favour the creative industries above artistic practice and approach (yes I know Creative Industries are supposed to embrace the arts but..). This has been prevalent elsewhere for some time and would love to know others' experiences of this. In UK, the annual budget for universities is to be slashed by £400m and Research Councils are going to fare no better. Universities are being encouraged to align with industry and to restructure their courses to be shorter and more 'vocational'. Most worrying for me is that my areas of interest fall under what is being termed by research here as Digital Economy and Green Knowledge Economy. Given the definitions and approach to the creative industries, in UK at least, this is going to make artistic practice, research and approach as some of us understand it rather tricky. We really should be fighting back on this (rather than with each other) or the arts might become a duller place to occupy - we've already seen it as Rob's quotes pointed out - in the use of the arts for social and urban regeneration (I'm not saying it's all bad but there are a lot of ill thought through projects in this context). On the other hand, this kind of adversity does bring invention but it seems a shame that all we've fought for and is positive feels like it's being eroded. On an up note, I like Dave's hairdresser and the ZIP_SOUNDS. Thanks :) H On 9/1/10 10:46, Michael Szpakowski szp...@yahoo.com wrote: Like so many of the what's the problem? posts this treats the language associated with art theory ( and indeed cultural social ideas in general) as if it is transparent and uncontested which of course, even on a daily basis ( think party politics, war and peace, healthcare, popular culture), it is absolutely not. It's a particularly bizarre blindness coming from the very folk who seem to be most enthusiastic about academia* whom one would have thought would have welcomed a question everything approach. Essentially the argument seems to be that Martin is stupid which strikes me as rude, deeply condescending and untrue. Awkward, yes, and not always entirely clear but let him/her that is without sin... michael * and by academia let me say what I mean -I don't mean teaching in whatever context -like Renee I'm utterly in favour. Nor do I mean the art school tradition at least up to the 70s. I'm referring particularly to developments over the last 30 years or so. I'm amazed that people can be so sanguine about the university research culture ( which has swallowed the art schools) when it is being constantly more colonised by the market market values - again there are surely deep issues here in the way this affects what constitutes research and indeed art as defined within the academy, which doesn't of course float Zeppelin-like above the rest of society ( and I'm very grateful to Rob for the Art and Language quotes which I previously knew nothing about and which both made me laugh and struck me as enormously pertinent). And I'm *not* trying to make some easy or pat argument - I'm saying there are *unanswered and legitimate questions* and there is *room for discussion*... --- On Sat, 1/9/10, mark cooley flawed...@yahoo.com wrote: From: mark cooley flawed...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January (Helen Sloan) To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Saturday, January 9, 2010, 1:45 AM Helen, Thank you for the generous restatement of a perfectly understandable original. Frankly, I wouldn't have had the patience. It always amazes me just how bold idiocy can be. One would think that an unfamiliar language might spark one's curiosity to well... want to learn something rather than be offended at your audacity of straying from a 5th grade vocabulary. what excitement a few well placed words can create! i've found it interesting that there is often a violent reaction to the language of cultural studies or art criticism
Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January (Helen Sloan)
It¹s the zeitgeist. Simon Biggs Research Professor edinburgh college of art s.bi...@eca.ac.uk www.eca.ac.uk Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments CIRCLE research group www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ si...@littlepig.org.uk www.littlepig.org.uk AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk From: Helen Sloan he...@scansite.org Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 12:02:35 + To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January (Helen Sloan) Ah, Simon I¹ve just sent something similar. H On 9/1/10 12:00, Simon Biggs s.bi...@eca.ac.uk wrote: I am not wearing rose tinted spectacles here, particularly at a time when the UK higher education sector is witnessing its resource base shrink by 25% over the next three years. Even though these changes are only just beginning I¹ve already witnessed brutal management tactics, at a number of institutions, being implemented in order to save costs. That means people losing their jobs and, ultimately, many of them losing their homes and the means to care for themselves and their families. They can also lose their sense of value. The main problem in academia is not the academics. It is management culture. A few institutions have sustained governance structures that are founded on collegiality and transparency amongst academics. Most others have brought in or created professional managerial layers in their organisations. This has also happened at the critical interface between government and education, the funding councils and policy institutes. The result of this is an instrumentalisation of knowledge and creativity, which is arguably what is at the core of Michael¹s critique. Knowledge or art for its own sake? No! We are now required to evidence the social and economic value of everything we do. How does an artist articulate this, or an astronomer or philosopher? In many cases it cannot be... This has also happened in the art world. Want money from the Arts Council? You will be required to justify the social and economic value of your proposed activities. Want to make it without state support you will need to satisfy the demands of the commercial market. There are those who think these are good things, whether they be patrician socialists or free-marketers. Whatever, instrumentalisation is not constrained to education it is a cultural trope. Academics are teachers and researchers. They have to be both if they are to contribute to knowledge and be able to transfer it as it is developed. These are highly creative activities, arguably as creative as the activities of many artists (I know academics who are more creative and innovative that a some artists I know). My experience of HE has been marred by management and also by certain conservative forces that remain within the academy, who do not want to see the role or value of knowledge change, who want to manage access to knowledge and the means to creating knowledge as an arbiter of power. I have observed this within the now largely defunct art school system and within the university system that has consumed those art schools. However, I have also experienced an intellectual fervour and openness to other ways of seeing that is heartening in how it challenges the dogmatic and blinkered thinking that underpins instrumental approaches to creativity and the making (and destroying) of knowledge. Education is a good thing. It has been observed many times, in places of conflict and suffering, that it is education that can make the long term difference; not food aid, drugs or weapons. Best Simon Simon Biggs Research Professor edinburgh college of art s.bi...@eca.ac.uk www.eca.ac.uk Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments CIRCLE research group www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ si...@littlepig.org.uk www.littlepig.org.uk AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk From: Michael Szpakowski szp...@yahoo.com Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 02:46:06 -0800 (PST) To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January (Helen Sloan) * and by academia let me say what I mean -I don't mean teaching in whatever context -like Renee I'm utterly in favour. Nor do I mean the art school tradition at least up to the 70s. I'm referring particularly to developments over the last 30 years or so. I'm amazed that people can be so sanguine about the university research culture ( which has swallowed the art schools) when it is being constantly more colonised by the market market values - again
Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January (Helen Sloan)
Hi Helen I apologise for causing any offence I absolutely don't think you need to apologise for *anything* - it must be odd to post something that feels entirely uncontroversial raise such a storm. I think you've done everyone here a service in (inadvertantly!) starting a interesting discussion when things get a little fiery it's usually an indication that there are important issues at stake. I agree entirely with your points below particularly that when it comes to cuts/attacks on funding whether in arts or education it should be shoulder to shoulder first and foremost. Doesn't shouldn't stop us arguing the detail, though, as we head for the barricades... michael --- On Sat, 1/9/10, Helen Sloan he...@scansite.org wrote: From: Helen Sloan he...@scansite.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January (Helen Sloan) To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Saturday, January 9, 2010, 12:01 PM It has been a bit of a difficult initiation to this list for me but I'm grateful to those who have welcomed me or acknowledged my original post about the screening programme. Thanks. I think Michael has a point here - the troubling language does permeate into everything and many of us are complicit in allowing it. I apologise for causing any offence around the tone of my original call. Rob's quotes from Art and Language were great and, although I take Simon's point about 'stones and glasshouses', they are pretty relevant in the context of this strand which seems to be making quite a lot of assumptions about the nature of art, academia/teaching and research. One of the things that has not been addressed really are the further changes that we are about to experience. Whilst creative practice has been embraced, there is a worrying 'enterprise' culture in academia in UK that looks like there will be favour the creative industries above artistic practice and approach (yes I know Creative Industries are supposed to embrace the arts but..). This has been prevalent elsewhere for some time and would love to know others' experiences of this. In UK, the annual budget for universities is to be slashed by £400m and Research Councils are going to fare no better. Universities are being encouraged to align with industry and to restructure their courses to be shorter and more 'vocational'. Most worrying for me is that my areas of interest fall under what is being termed by research here as Digital Economy and Green Knowledge Economy. Given the definitions and approach to the creative industries, in UK at least, this is going to make artistic practice, research and approach as some of us understand it rather tricky. We really should be fighting back on this (rather than with each other) or the arts might become a duller place to occupy - we've already seen it as Rob's quotes pointed out - in the use of the arts for social and urban regeneration (I'm not saying it's all bad but there are a lot of ill thought through projects in this context). On the other hand, this kind of adversity does bring invention but it seems a shame that all we've fought for and is positive feels like it's being eroded. On an up note, I like Dave's hairdresser and the ZIP_SOUNDS. Thanks :) H On 9/1/10 10:46, Michael Szpakowski szp...@yahoo.com wrote: Like so many of the what's the problem? posts this treats the language associated with art theory ( and indeed cultural social ideas in general) as if it is transparent and uncontested which of course, even on a daily basis ( think party politics, war and peace, healthcare, popular culture), it is absolutely not. It's a particularly bizarre blindness coming from the very folk who seem to be most enthusiastic about academia* whom one would have thought would have welcomed a question everything approach. Essentially the argument seems to be that Martin is stupid which strikes me as rude, deeply condescending and untrue. Awkward, yes, and not always entirely clear but let him/her that is without sin... michael * and by academia let me say what I mean -I don't mean teaching in whatever context -like Renee I'm utterly in favour. Nor do I mean the art school tradition at least up to the 70s. I'm referring particularly to developments over the last 30 years or so. I'm amazed that people can be so sanguine about the university research culture ( which has swallowed the art schools) when it is being constantly more colonised by the market market values - again there are surely deep issues here in the way this affects what constitutes research and indeed art as defined within the academy, which doesn't of course float Zeppelin-like above the rest of society ( and I'm very grateful to Rob for the Art and Language quotes which I previously
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Hi Helen Glad you liked the hairdresser! I really share your worries about higher arts education, and creative industries taking over from arts. I have direct experience of this myself. I feel the enterprise culture thing in art education, which currently seems to be in vogue, is both good and bad, and gives students false hopes. You're right we should be fighting back. And in many areas of life! dave 2010/1/9 Helen Sloan he...@scansite.org: It has been a bit of a difficult initiation to this list for me but I'm grateful to those who have welcomed me or acknowledged my original post about the screening programme. Thanks. I think Michael has a point here - the troubling language does permeate into everything and many of us are complicit in allowing it. I apologise for causing any offence around the tone of my original call. Rob's quotes from Art and Language were great and, although I take Simon's point about 'stones and glasshouses', they are pretty relevant in the context of this strand which seems to be making quite a lot of assumptions about the nature of art, academia/teaching and research. One of the things that has not been addressed really are the further changes that we are about to experience. Whilst creative practice has been embraced, there is a worrying 'enterprise' culture in academia in UK that looks like there will be favour the creative industries above artistic practice and approach (yes I know Creative Industries are supposed to embrace the arts but..). This has been prevalent elsewhere for some time and would love to know others' experiences of this. In UK, the annual budget for universities is to be slashed by £400m and Research Councils are going to fare no better. Universities are being encouraged to align with industry and to restructure their courses to be shorter and more 'vocational'. Most worrying for me is that my areas of interest fall under what is being termed by research here as Digital Economy and Green Knowledge Economy. Given the definitions and approach to the creative industries, in UK at least, this is going to make artistic practice, research and approach as some of us understand it rather tricky. We really should be fighting back on this (rather than with each other) or the arts might become a duller place to occupy - we've already seen it as Rob's quotes pointed out - in the use of the arts for social and urban regeneration (I'm not saying it's all bad but there are a lot of ill thought through projects in this context). On the other hand, this kind of adversity does bring invention but it seems a shame that all we've fought for and is positive feels like it's being eroded. On an up note, I like Dave's hairdresser and the ZIP_SOUNDS. Thanks :) H On 9/1/10 10:46, Michael Szpakowski szp...@yahoo.com wrote: Like so many of the what's the problem? posts this treats the language associated with art theory ( and indeed cultural social ideas in general) as if it is transparent and uncontested which of course, even on a daily basis ( think party politics, war and peace, healthcare, popular culture), it is absolutely not. It's a particularly bizarre blindness coming from the very folk who seem to be most enthusiastic about academia* whom one would have thought would have welcomed a question everything approach. Essentially the argument seems to be that Martin is stupid which strikes me as rude, deeply condescending and untrue. Awkward, yes, and not always entirely clear but let him/her that is without sin... michael * and by academia let me say what I mean -I don't mean teaching in whatever context -like Renee I'm utterly in favour. Nor do I mean the art school tradition at least up to the 70s. I'm referring particularly to developments over the last 30 years or so. I'm amazed that people can be so sanguine about the university research culture ( which has swallowed the art schools) when it is being constantly more colonised by the market market values - again there are surely deep issues here in the way this affects what constitutes research and indeed art as defined within the academy, which doesn't of course float Zeppelin-like above the rest of society ( and I'm very grateful to Rob for the Art and Language quotes which I previously knew nothing about and which both made me laugh and struck me as enormously pertinent). And I'm *not* trying to make some easy or pat argument - I'm saying there are *unanswered and legitimate questions* and there is *room for discussion*... --- On Sat, 1/9/10, mark cooley flawed...@yahoo.com wrote: From: mark cooley flawed...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January (Helen Sloan) To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Saturday, January 9, 2010, 1:45 AM Helen, Thank you for the generous restatement of a perfectly understandable original. Frankly, I
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On 09/01/10 11:43, tom corby wrote: This is a good old fashioned bit of shit-stirring. I can't really imagine Michael shit-stirring... As pointed out by Simon, I found the art and language quotes deeply ironic given that their practice was largely nourished (and financed) within the University of Leeds. Ahem. There's more irony to be had in the quotes, that's why I posted them. That and, as Michael points out, they are funny. Art Language are anti-academic but started and have often ended up in academia. They are politically committed but show at a gentrifying, market-leading gallery. Despite protests to the contrary they are radical artists who have artworld careers. I like them. It's very easy to criticise academia, artistic careerism, the art market, politically/socially committed art etc. from the security of one's own, virtuous, position outside of them. But there's no point outside the world where we can stand and point and laugh at it. We all need to be careful about glass houses, or at least work on smashing our own windows, whether our teaching means we are objectively in academia or our radical socially committed artistic practice means we are objectively part of gentrification. The most important criticism is self-criticism, although this may sometimes mean that we have to admit we are not criticising others enough. ;-) I've taught, I've wired up abandoned warehouses, I've attended private views, I write reviews for a techno-art-and-society web community. We are all guilty... - Rob. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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Hi Rob (and all), Fun quotes (for the prose alone). Yes. stones, glass houses, logs in eyes and specks in eyes. The following quote is from the acknowledgements of Rita Raley's 2009 Tactical Media book (which I will teach this semester in a freshman liberal studies introductory colloquium course called Tactical Media / D.I.Y. Anarchy): It is my fervent wish that this book will become obsolete becaues the world will have changed so dramatically that this study of art-activism could only appar as a quaint historical artifact, its latent pessimism misguided, its failure to imagine otherwise indicative of the author's poverty of imagination. Until such a point, I will continue to look to tactical media artists for inspiration and guidance. (xii) Not that I myself look to tactical media artists for much inspiration or guidance, and probably by the end of the course we will have critiqued their approaches from contradictory perspectives -- the work is too didactic/hamfisted/pragmatic; the work is too disengaged/esoteric/impotent. (Throw a critical stone in the air and you will hit a tactical media artist.) It is always amusing to me when artists and/or educators try to out-ethicalize each other, as if any of us are all that directly, pragmatically, quantitatively, measurably changing anything. For me, art and teaching are a gamble -- a gamble that some kind of abstract affective agency will eventually modulate actual aspects of the world in some way that will matter. Consequently, I admire others who are making similar wagers. But I don't ever fool myself into believing that I'm on the street feeding the poor. Because I've done that kind of work as well, and it's quite a different thing. Rock Roll Ain't No Pollution, Curt There's more irony to be had in the quotes, that's why I posted them. That and, as Michael points out, they are funny. Art Language are anti-academic but started and have often ended up in academia. They are politically committed but show at a gentrifying, market-leading gallery. Despite protests to the contrary they are radical artists who have artworld careers. I like them. It's very easy to criticise academia, artistic careerism, the art market, politically/socially committed art etc. from the security of one's own, virtuous, position outside of them. But there's no point outside the world where we can stand and point and laugh at it. We all need to be careful about glass houses, or at least work on smashing our own windows, whether our teaching means we are objectively in academia or our radical socially committed artistic practice means we are objectively part of gentrification. The most important criticism is self-criticism, although this may sometimes mean that we have to admit we are not criticising others enough. ;-) I've taught, I've wired up abandoned warehouses, I've attended private views, I write reviews for a techno-art-and-society web community. We are all guilty... - Rob. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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So you can't be both? Sorry this is nonsense. martin mitchell wrote: Artists who teach in art colleges unfortunately seem to become academics. An individual is either an artist or an academic. On 7 Jan 2010, at 23:54, Simon Biggs wrote: Most people on this list are artists, including myself. Any academic roles we have are a result of what we have done as artists, not academics. That is part of socio-economics... Simon Biggs Research Professor edinburgh college of art s.bi...@eca.ac.uk www.eca.ac.uk *C*reative *I*nterdisciplinary *R*esearch into *C*o*L*laborative *E*nvironments CIRCLE research group www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ si...@littlepig.org.uk x-msg://114/si...@littlepig.org.uk www.littlepig.org.uk http://www.littlepig.org.uk AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk *From: *martin mitchell martinmitc...@mac.com x-msg://114/martinmitc...@mac.com *Reply-To: *NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org x-msg://114/netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org *Date: *Thu, 07 Jan 2010 23:39:14 + *To: *NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org x-msg://114/netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org *Subject: *Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January WHOW..No the complete opposite I'm an artist and not an academic. On 7 Jan 2010, at 23:28, Simon Biggs wrote: You don’t like art? Simon Biggs Research Professor edinburgh college of art s.bi...@eca.ac.uk www.eca.ac.uk *C*reative *I*nterdisciplinary *R*esearch into *C*o*L*laborative *E*nvironments CIRCLE research group www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ si...@littlepig.org.uk x-msg://114/si...@littlepig.org.uk x-msg://79/si...@littlepig.org.uk x-msg://79/si...@littlepig.org.uk www.littlepig.org.uk http://www.littlepig.org.uk http://www.littlepig.org.uk http://www.littlepig.org.uk/ AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk *From: *martin mitchell martinmitc...@mac.com x-msg://114/martinmitc...@mac.com x-msg://79/martinmitc...@mac.com x-msg://79/martinmitc...@mac.com *Reply-To: *NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org x-msg://114/netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org x-msg://79/netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org x-msg://79/netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org *Date: *Thu, 07 Jan 2010 17:42:10 + *To: *NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org x-msg://114/netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org x-msg://79/netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org x-msg://79/netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org *Subject: *Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January Have no idea what this means .. They want some video art that engages current international socio-economic events to put in an exhibition. Common sense tells us it's meaningless. Just cannot write anymore... this is embarrassing nonsense. martin mitchell. On 7 Jan 2010, at 17:11, james morris wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHoCd1pTJx4feature=PlayListp=5840AC014CA20F89playnext=1playnext_from=PLindex=56 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHoCd1pTJx4feature=PlayListp=5840AC014CA20F89playnext=1playnext_from=PLindex=56 :) On 7/1/2010, Simon Biggs s.bi...@eca.ac.uk x-msg://114/s.bi...@eca.ac.uk x-msg://79/s.bi...@eca.ac.uk x-msg://79/s.bi...@eca.ac.uk wrote: Seems clear to me. They want some video art that engages current international socio-economic events to put in an exhibition. Simon Biggs Research Professor edinburgh college of art s.bi...@eca.ac.uk x-msg://114/s.bi...@eca.ac.uk x-msg://79/s.bi...@eca.ac.uk x-msg://79/s.bi...@eca.ac.uk www.eca.ac.uk http://www.eca.ac.uk http://www.eca.ac.uk http://www.eca.ac.uk/ Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments CIRCLE research group www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ http://www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ http://www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ si...@littlepig.org.uk x-msg://114/si...@littlepig.org.uk x-msg://79/si...@littlepig.org.uk x-msg://79/si...@littlepig.org.uk www.littlepig.org.uk http://www.littlepig.org.uk http://www.littlepig.org.uk http://www.littlepig.org.uk/ AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk From: martin mitchell martinmitc...@mac.com x-msg://114/martinmitc...@mac.com x-msg://79/martinmitc...@mac.com x-msg://79/martinmitc...@mac.com Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org x-msg://114/netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org x-msg://79/netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org x-msg://79/netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 15:50:15 + To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org x-msg://114/netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org x-msg://79/netbehaviour
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This is a rather unfortunate spat that is now turning to ad hom attacks on people. Systems aren't closed, if there is one thing we've (re)learnt in the past 100 years it's this. BTW. The internet was invented by academics martin mitchell wrote: How odd surely being a part of academia, management systems or a bird sitting on a fence is part of a closeted environment. On 8 Jan 2010, at 00:12, brian gibson wrote: jesus, mart, you are narrow as a sparrow. its safe to say simon is an artist, an academic, a human, a descendent of biggs and more.. and this is said without even really knowing the man.. 'a man is either and artist or an academic.' what an absurd and dangerous idea. get rid of all those boxes in your head. life is easier than you think. On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 7:03 PM, martin mitchell martinmitc...@mac.com mailto:martinmitc...@mac.com wrote: Is this an academic statement:-You need to get out more... Spent 7 hours today walking along Lea Valley making digital images of snow and ice effects .. On 7 Jan 2010, at 23:57, Simon Biggs wrote: You need to get out more... Simon Biggs Research Professor edinburgh college of art s.bi...@eca.ac.uk http://ac.uk/ www.eca.ac.uk http://ac.uk/ *C*reative *I*nterdisciplinary *R*esearch into *C*o*L*laborative *E*nvironments CIRCLE research group www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ http://ac.uk/circle/ si...@littlepig.org.uk www.littlepig.org.uk http://www.littlepig.org.uk/ AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk *From: *martin mitchell martinmitc...@mac.com *Reply-To: *NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org *Date: *Thu, 07 Jan 2010 23:55:00 + *To: *NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org *Subject: *Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January It was used without any description of a subject matter, I'm not a politician or economist merely an artist, on reading had no idea about what writer was referring to, I do not read dreadful daily papers or listen to office management language which the original statement was concerned with, spending as much time allowed me aside from basic human needs and desires, in my studio creating mostly digital imagery.Sensible an individual on this site linked a message to . I'm Singing ... on YouTube .. immediately understood idea behind administrative statement. On 7 Jan 2010, at 23:41, Simon Biggs wrote: It wasn’t Helen who used the term “socio-economic”, it was me. Why is that term difficult? It seems clear to me. It evokes those aspects of the social that are primarily to do with exchange; material and otherwise. I’d be interested to know why it might be a difficult term for some people to process, as it might help me tune my language in the future. I like to be precise. Simon Biggs Research Professor edinburgh college of art s.bi...@eca.ac.uk http://ac.uk/ www.eca.ac.uk http://ac.uk/ *C*reative *I*nterdisciplinary *R*esearch into *C*o*L*laborative *E*nvironments CIRCLE research group www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ http://ac.uk/circle/ si...@littlepig.org.uk x-msg://96/si...@littlepig.org.uk www.littlepig.org.uk http://www.littlepig.org.uk/ http://www.littlepig.org.uk http://www.littlepig.org.uk/ AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk *From: *martin mitchell martinmitc...@mac.com x-msg://96/martinmitc...@mac.com *Reply-To: *NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org x-msg://96/netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org *Date: *Thu, 07 Jan 2010 18:34:02 + *To: *NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org x-msg://96/netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org *Subject: *Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January It's not the moving image event itself but the nonsensical language used to describe ideas you are looking for inside of those projected images onto a screen. How does one translate into another language part of dogmatic statements like 'running past', 'flag up' or 'socio economic' ! C.N.A.S. On 7 Jan 2010, at 18:14, Helen Sloan wrote: Martin and List Noone is censored in terms of submitting to this programme. It is open to all. I was merely suggesting that if the approach of the programme feels uncomfortable, it may not be the right one to be involved in. If anyone
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Teaching and claiming to be an academic are two different ocupations. On 8 Jan 2010, at 00:41, s_h...@canada.com wrote: Wow Martin, I am wondering if you are a real person. To presume that just because people teach at a Universities that, they are not as good as artists who do not teach, is a myopic point of view. And of course, you are welcome to it, you really are ;-) Wishing all liberated minds well... Stuart er .. yes that is obvious. On 8 Jan 2010, at 00:08, Simon Biggs wrote: Another dualistic statement. Simon Biggs Research Professor edinburgh college of art s.bi...@eca.ac.uk www.eca.ac.uk Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments CIRCLE research group www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ si...@littlepig.org.uk www.littlepig.org.uk AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk From: martin mitchell martinmitc...@mac.com Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 23:59:44 + To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January Artists who teach in art colleges unfortunately seem to become academics. An individual is either an artist or an academic. On 7 Jan 2010, at 23:54, Simon Biggs wrote: Most people on this list are artists, including myself. Any academic roles we have are a result of what we have done as artists, not academics. That is part of socio-economics... Simon Biggs Research Professor edinburgh college of art s.bi...@eca.ac.uk www.eca.ac.uk Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments CIRCLE research group www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ si...@littlepig.org.uk x-msg://114/si...@littlepig.org.uk www.littlepig.org.uk http://www.littlepig.org.uk AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk From: martin mitchell martinmitc...@mac.com x-msg://114/martinmitc...@mac.com Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org x-msg://114/netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 23:39:14 + To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org x-msg://114/netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January WHOW..No the complete opposite I'm an artist and not an academic. On 7 Jan 2010, at 23:28, Simon Biggs wrote: You don’t like art? Simon Biggs Research Professor edinburgh college of art s.bi...@eca.ac.uk www.eca.ac.uk Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments CIRCLE research group www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ si...@littlepig.org.uk x-msg://114/si...@littlepig.org.uk x-msg://79/si...@littlepig.org.uk x-msg://79/si...@littlepig.org.uk www.littlepig.org.uk http://www.littlepig.org.uk http://www.littlepig.org.uk http://www.littlepig.org.uk/ AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk From: martin mitchell martinmitc...@mac.com x-msg://114/martinmitc...@mac.com x-msg://79/martinmitc...@mac.com x-msg://79/martinmitc...@mac.com Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org x-msg://114/netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org x-msg://79/netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org x-msg://79/netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 17:42:10 + To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org x-msg://114/netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org x-msg://79/netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org x-msg://79/netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January Have no idea what this means .. They want some video art that engages current international socio-economic events to put in an exhibition. Common sense tells us it's meaningless. Just cannot write anymore... this is embarrassing nonsense. martin mitchell. On 7 Jan 2010, at 17:11, james morris wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHoCd1pTJx4feature=PlayListp=5840AC014CA20F89playnext=1playnext_from=PLindex=56 On 7/1/2010, Simon Biggs s.bi...@eca.ac.uk x-msg://114/s.bi...@eca.ac.uk x-msg://79/s.bi...@eca.ac.uk x-msg://79/s.bi...@eca.ac.uk wrote: Seems clear to me. They want some video art that engages current international socio-economic events to put in an exhibition. Simon Biggs Research Professor edinburgh college of art s.bi...@eca.ac.uk x-msg://114/s.bi...@eca.ac.uk x-msg://79/s.bi...@eca.ac.uk x-msg://79/s.bi...@eca.ac.uk www.eca.ac.uk http://www.eca.ac.uk http://www.eca.ac.uk http://www.eca.ac.uk/ Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments CIRCLE research group www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ http
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Who is the we you refer to ...! On 8 Jan 2010, at 00:31, Alan Sondheim wrote: Good grief this is an incredibly weird topic, it was just a call for submissions, we understood it! Now it's probably the most commented on topic on Netbehaviour! Sure is behaviour! Count me in!? == email archive: http://sondheim.rupamsunyata.org/ webpage http://www.alansondheim.org sondheimat gmail.com, panix.com == ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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us what understood it! On Fri, 8 Jan 2010, martin mitchell wrote: Who is the we you refer to ...! On 8 Jan 2010, at 00:31, Alan Sondheim wrote: Good grief this is an incredibly weird topic, it was just a call for submissions, we understood it! Now it's probably the most commented on topic on Netbehaviour! Sure is behaviour! Count me in!? == email archive: http://sondheim.rupamsunyata.org/ webpage http://www.alansondheim.org sondheimat gmail.com, panix.com == ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour == email archive: http://sondheim.rupamsunyata.org/ webpage http://www.alansondheim.org sondheimat gmail.com, panix.com == ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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Hi, I am of the impression that the silver spacesuit and jetpacked future has arrived and that Mr Mitchell is a very sophisticated trollbot! Mr. Mitchell's impossibility of being both artist and academic is UTTER NONSENSE, I agree Tom Troll (Internet) From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Do not feed the trolls and its abbreviation DNFTT redirect here. For the Wikimedia essay, see What is a troll?. In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response[1] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.[2] We all know what happens to trolls... C -Original Message- From: netbehaviour-boun...@netbehaviour.org [mailto:netbehaviour-boun...@netbehaviour.org] On Behalf Of tom corby Sent: 08 January 2010 8:52 AM To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January So you can't be both? Sorry this is nonsense. martin mitchell wrote: Artists who teach in art colleges unfortunately seem to become academics. An individual is either an artist or an academic. On 7 Jan 2010, at 23:54, Simon Biggs wrote: Most people on this list are artists, including myself. Any academic roles we have are a result of what we have done as artists, not academics. That is part of socio-economics... Simon Biggs Research Professor edinburgh college of art s.bi...@eca.ac.uk www.eca.ac.uk *C*reative *I*nterdisciplinary *R*esearch into *C*o*L*laborative *E*nvironments CIRCLE research group www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ si...@littlepig.org.uk x-msg://114/si...@littlepig.org.uk www.littlepig.org.uk http://www.littlepig.org.uk AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk *From: *martin mitchell martinmitc...@mac.com x-msg://114/martinmitc...@mac.com *Reply-To: *NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org x-msg://114/netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org *Date: *Thu, 07 Jan 2010 23:39:14 + *To: *NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org x-msg://114/netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org *Subject: *Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January WHOW..No the complete opposite I'm an artist and not an academic. On 7 Jan 2010, at 23:28, Simon Biggs wrote: You don't like art? Simon Biggs Research Professor edinburgh college of art s.bi...@eca.ac.uk www.eca.ac.uk *C*reative *I*nterdisciplinary *R*esearch into *C*o*L*laborative *E*nvironments CIRCLE research group www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ si...@littlepig.org.uk x-msg://114/si...@littlepig.org.uk x-msg://79/si...@littlepig.org.uk x-msg://79/si...@littlepig.org.uk www.littlepig.org.uk http://www.littlepig.org.uk http://www.littlepig.org.uk http://www.littlepig.org.uk/ AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk *From: *martin mitchell martinmitc...@mac.com x-msg://114/martinmitc...@mac.com x-msg://79/martinmitc...@mac.com x-msg://79/martinmitc...@mac.com *Reply-To: *NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org x-msg://114/netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org x-msg://79/netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org x-msg://79/netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org *Date: *Thu, 07 Jan 2010 17:42:10 + *To: *NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org x-msg://114/netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org x-msg://79/netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org x-msg://79/netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org *Subject: *Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January Have no idea what this means .. They want some video art that engages current international socio-economic events to put in an exhibition. Common sense tells us it's meaningless. Just cannot write anymore... this is embarrassing nonsense. martin mitchell. On 7 Jan 2010, at 17:11, james morris wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHoCd1pTJx4feature=PlayListp=5840AC014CA20F 89playnext=1playnext_from=PLindex=56 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHoCd1pTJx4feature=PlayListp=5840AC014CA20 F89playnext=1playnext_from=PLindex=56 :) On 7/1/2010, Simon Biggs s.bi...@eca.ac.uk x-msg://114/s.bi...@eca.ac.uk x-msg://79/s.bi...@eca.ac.uk x-msg://79/s.bi...@eca.ac.uk wrote: Seems clear to me. They want some video art that engages current international socio-economic events to put in an exhibition. Simon Biggs Research Professor edinburgh college of art s.bi...@eca.ac.uk x-msg://114/s.bi...@eca.ac.uk x-msg://79/s.bi...@eca.ac.uk x-msg://79/s.bi
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Hang on a moment! Martin's original post *was* expressed forcefully but, agree with it or not, it was a perfectly legitimate contribution here. He's also had the consistency and courage to argue his position in the face of overwhelming ( and somewhat smug - *We* understand - what's not to understand?) opposition. There's a nasty whiff of the playground bully to some of the more recent replies, including the one below. Personally although I'd try and be a bit more, I hope, nuanced about it I think Martin raised two real issues. (1) The fact that academia has become an increasing natural home for artists ( and indeed a financial necessity for many) and that this has created a genuine intellectual and creative tension. It simply isn't good enough for academics to shrug their shoulders and say 'what's the problem guv?' There's *is* a confusion of poachers and gamekeepers and whilst I'm happy to remain open minded about the eventual upshot of this it's dishonest to pretend that it isn't an issue. (2) The creative or interventionist role of the curator supported often by a dose of apparently infinitely malleable theory -I incline to the cynical here *but* at the least I want to assert there is room for debate, for discussion and investigation. Lastly I'd also like to suggest to Martin that he posts some of his work here - it's in the actual work that differences, if they don't actually dissolve , at least take on a less threatening aspect... cheers michael --- On Fri, 1/8/10, Corrado Morgana corradomorg...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: From: Corrado Morgana corradomorg...@blueyonder.co.uk Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January To: 'NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity' netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Friday, January 8, 2010, 11:05 AM Hi, I am of the impression that the silver spacesuit and jetpacked future has arrived and that Mr Mitchell is a very sophisticated trollbot! Mr. Mitchell's impossibility of being both artist and academic is UTTER NONSENSE, I agree Tom Troll (Internet) From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Do not feed the trolls and its abbreviation DNFTT redirect here. For the Wikimedia essay, see What is a troll?. In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response[1] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.[2] We all know what happens to trolls... C -Original Message- From: netbehaviour-boun...@netbehaviour.org [mailto:netbehaviour-boun...@netbehaviour.org] On Behalf Of tom corby Sent: 08 January 2010 8:52 AM To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January So you can't be both? Sorry this is nonsense. martin mitchell wrote: Artists who teach in art colleges unfortunately seem to become academics. An individual is either an artist or an academic. On 7 Jan 2010, at 23:54, Simon Biggs wrote: Most people on this list are artists, including myself. Any academic roles we have are a result of what we have done as artists, not academics. That is part of socio-economics... Simon Biggs Research Professor edinburgh college of art s.bi...@eca.ac.uk www.eca.ac.uk *C*reative *I*nterdisciplinary *R*esearch into *C*o*L*laborative *E*nvironments CIRCLE research group www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ si...@littlepig.org.uk x-msg://114/si...@littlepig.org.uk www.littlepig.org.uk http://www.littlepig.org.uk AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk *From: *martin mitchell martinmitc...@mac.com x-msg://114/martinmitc...@mac.com *Reply-To: *NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org x-msg://114/netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org *Date: *Thu, 07 Jan 2010 23:39:14 + *To: *NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org x-msg://114/netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org *Subject: *Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January WHOW..No the complete opposite I'm an artist and not an academic. On 7 Jan 2010, at 23:28, Simon Biggs wrote: You don't like art? Simon Biggs Research Professor edinburgh college of art s.bi...@eca.ac.uk www.eca.ac.uk *C*reative *I*nterdisciplinary *R*esearch into *C*o*L*laborative *E*nvironments CIRCLE research group www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ si...@littlepig.org.uk x-msg://114/si...@littlepig.org.uk x-msg://79/si
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Pro-peace and anti-war online media memorabilia. This site catalogs the various anti-war initiatives that have gone offline since the rise of the Web in the 1990s. There are thousands of projects that were started in opposition to wars in Iraq, Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, and elsewhere. But these online media projects have tended to be unfunded and temporary. Anti War 404 records some of the fading history of this period by describing the former contents of missing sites. It also makes us consider whether the anti-war movement is coming or going. http://getpeaceful.org/antiwar404/docs/about.php more info about Anti War 404. Recollecting peaceful pages that have disappeared Get Peaceful! Because search engines silently drop defunct sites from their databases, thousands of documents can disappear and it hardly commands our attention. Like a gigantic supermarket, the World Wide Web has an aura of totality about it that makes it easy to miss when something is absent. Distracted by perpetual media stimulation, it requires a good memory to notice when content disappears. Perceiving the decay and transformation of the online anti-war movement requires either living memory or scholarship and ingenuity. This directory of dead sites memorializes the abundant online war resistance of recent decades. It's a tribute to effort put forth by people all over the world. It remains for us to decide what has been accomplished. Clearly some larger Internet-centric institutions have emerged in this same period, such as Move On, Code Pink, and United for Peace and Justice. The novelty of the World Wide Web led to an unprecedented variety of publications in opposition to war. The sudden accessibility of global audiences inspired many people to dedicate their spare time and money to establish web presences. These have reflected many different causes, but the widespread discontent about the war in Iraq, and the politicians that made it happen, inspired a remarkable amount of web development. Although the war in Iraq continues (2009), opposition to it outside Iraq — as measured by public protests and opinion polls — has weakened. The mainstream media in the United States has dedicated very little news coverage to the war since 2007, so it is not surprising that attention has shifted to other concerns. It is perhaps a good time, then, to begin assessing the role of the independent media in the anti-war efforts, and ways that independent media could be more effective in future efforts to curtail militarist escapades. Clearly there are still many anti-war and pro-peace initiatives that are active and that use online media. But to what effect? Clearly many have abandoned their independent efforts because they did not appear to be having an effect. Despite the present malaise and the relative impotence of the anti-war movement, the narrative that emerges concerning this period should reflect the way that public awareness was affected by countless media interventions by individuals and groups. This project offers a new way of perceiving and evaluating both the achievements and failures of this abundant online activism. Anti War 404 is a project of Andy Deck for GetPeaceful.org. It is closely related to two earlier projects, the Anti-War Directory and the Anti-War Web Ring, because many of the links featured in those information services have disappeared. Contributions to this collection from the general public are welcomed. It is unclear how collaborative the site's authorship will become. If some individuals contribute significantly to the collection, they will be credited here. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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I think maybe we should apologise to the original poster, Helen, who happens to be new to this list and we don't want to give the wrong impression. We all, hopefully, value everyone's constructive and critical input and wouldn't want to put anybody off posting or contributing as long as it is an appropriate, considered response. It's certainly putting me off. All of this because of a simple call for work whose language, which many of us are familiar with, tolerate and also contribute to. Sure there are issues but... Or you could all just tell me to fuck off. Best C -Original Message- From: netbehaviour-boun...@netbehaviour.org [mailto:netbehaviour-boun...@netbehaviour.org] On Behalf Of Helen Sloan Sent: 08 January 2010 3:11 PM To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January Thanks :) On 8/1/10 14:46, martin mitchell martinmitc...@mac.com wrote: Just posted links I'll repeat them for you have no idea how these emails link connect:- http://www.crispynails.co.uk/ http://www.vimeo.com/crispynails http://www.flickr.com/photos/crispy_nails_animation/ Have Fun. Martin. On 8 Jan 2010, at 14:22, Helen Sloan wrote: Martin Thanks for the response. If these issues are of interest, they are still likely to be around next year when you finish your piece. As others have suggested, it would be good if you posted your current/previous work here. Look forward to seeing it. Helen On 8/1/10 14:09, martin mitchell martinmitc...@mac.com wrote: Helen, Thanks for your explanation which helps to understand initial email which I questioned, partly because this site is new to me and there does appear to be a form of coded language amongst regular subscribers. Ironically, The Nunnery is couple of streets away from where I live in London, unfortunately did not see this specific exhibition. I'm interested in creating short animation concerned with issues that you describe but will take me at least a year to complete due to construction process. Martin. Crispy Nails Animation Studio. On 8 Jan 2010, at 10:27, Helen Sloan wrote: I¹m not sure what to write because I¹m afraid that it will be misconstrued. But that is the way lists can work and here¹s a response to the thread... I¹d first like to remind everyone of the original intention of my call. Multichannel is a screening programme not dissimilar to the one run by The Nunnery at Bow Arts in East End of London. We invite all to submit single screen pieces by 28 Jan for exhibition in ArtSway Gallery in April the definition of Œsingle screen¹ is very flexible and last year we showed a sound piece which addressed use of darkness and sound in cinema (ie with no visuals). This year, after some dissatisfaction with much of the artworld¹s response to Œglobal issues¹ we decided to approach this in our screening programme Multichannel. My style of curation is to keep themes open to interpretation so that artists have the freedom to submit their work if they think it responds to the broad theme a good curator then makes sense of it all in my opinion. Through this approach, artists are able to introduce uninitiated ideas and pieces and we are able to identify common concerns. If I start expanding on what I mean by Œglobal issues¹ this will be a position statement and I want to give artists the freedom to interpret the call in whatever way they think fit. I think we can all see that we are living in times of flux and that these would be well addressed by artists who historically have responded (and sometimes have been actively involved in making things different and sometimes better) inventively to their culture and environment. In my broader practice I do have a position on Œglobal issues¹ which will be made visible by my work in the coming years and maybe at some point I¹ll post ideas to the list I¹m not trying to get out of this. So, I hope some will respond to the call if you look back at the original email. We have to be specific about format for submission in the first instance so that we can view the work, and international status of the artist is important to some people. Of the broader debate, it¹s a pity that so much of it felt on its knees but I was interested in the comments. The interdisciplinary (working across areas of arts, sciences, economics, sociology) is of great interest and allows for very rich work in my opinion so I¹m with Simon on this. It happens not just in academia but in other areas of culture and society too. One of my main interests (although it is becoming increasingly frustrating and difficult to do) is to create work that crosses sectors of academia, local authority, independent practice and research, arts, public realm, corporates and creates interesting confluences from the different ways of working
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Helen, Thank you for the generous restatement of a perfectly understandable original. Frankly, I wouldn't have had the patience. It always amazes me just how bold idiocy can be. One would think that an unfamiliar language might spark one's curiosity to well... want to learn something rather than be offended at your audacity of straying from a 5th grade vocabulary. what excitement a few well placed words can create! i've found it interesting that there is often a violent reaction to the language of cultural studies or art criticism on some lists, but techno jargon is used with a badge of pride. i can't imagine that if every time i heard some tech speak that i didn't understand that i accused the authors of being elitist technocrats. btw. sounds like an interesting show. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHoCd1pTJx4feature=PlayListp=5840AC014CA20F89playnext=1playnext_from=PLindex=56 :) On 7/1/2010, Simon Biggs s.bi...@eca.ac.uk wrote: Seems clear to me. They want some video art that engages current international socio-economic events to put in an exhibition. Simon Biggs Research Professor edinburgh college of art s.bi...@eca.ac.uk www.eca.ac.uk Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments CIRCLE research group www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ si...@littlepig.org.uk www.littlepig.org.uk AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk From: martin mitchell martinmitc...@mac.com Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 15:50:15 + To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel Variable Economies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January Is this another example of administrative gobbledegook ...! Have no idear of what you are trying to describe. martin mitchell [ artist ]. On 7 Jan 2010, at 11:25, Helen Sloan wrote: Hello This is my first post here and it's a call - sorry. I really enjoyed the Dark Mountain debate and the one that's emerging on Second Life so far. Meantime, I hope this is of interest and do contact if you want more info. Happy New Year Helen Helen Sloan SCAN CALL FOR SUBMISSIONS: Multichannel 3 Title: Variable Economies Variable Economies provides the theme for the programme of works for Multichannel 2010. The theme implies the current global economic downturn, decreased availability of resources influenced by human intervention in the natural environment, shifts in national and global political emphasis, and formally in relation to the making of artist film and video. For Multichannel 2010 artists are invited to submit works for selection that touch upon the themes of the programme in terms of the use of the medium/material of film and video. Multichannel is a screening programme of artists film and video, organised and curated by ArtSway and SCAN in ArtSway¹s galleries. The programme, which previously took place at ArtSway in 2007 and 2008, will once again feature both established practitioners, as well as ground breaking video works by artists from across the UK, and around the world. This year we are pleased to announce that Animate Projects will partner on Multichannel. The selection panel for Multichannel 3 is: Gary Thomas, Co-director Animate Projects; Helen Sloan, Director, SCAN; Peter Bonnell, Curator, ArtSway. Criteria/ Format of works for selection: Please submit your work for viewing on DVD. Should your piece be selected, we will ask you to supply your work as raw uncompressed files preferably on MiniDV, uncompressed .mpg or ..avi. Duration: We will accept pieces of any duration but please be aware that the screenings last up to 2 hours and shorter pieces will take preference. In exceptional circumstances we may be able to consider one-off screenings of longer pieces. Open to: artists of any age, in any part of the world, working in the format of film or video. Deadline for submitting works: Thursday 28 January 2010 Selection panel meets: Week beginning 8 February 2010 Notification of selection result: 26 February 2010 Exhibition of Multichannel 3 at ArtSway: 2 April - 11 April 2010 Contact and address to send work: Peter Bonnell, Curator, ArtSway, Station Road, Sway, SO41 6BA, UK For more information please contact Peter on +44 (0)1590 682260 (+4) or email: pe...@artsway.org.uk mailto:pe...@artsway.org.uk ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour Edinburgh College of Art (eca) is a charity registered in Scotland, number SC009201 ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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Have no idea what this means .. They want some video art that engages current international socio-economic events to put in an exhibition. Common sense tells us it's meaningless. Just cannot write anymore... this is embarrassing nonsense. martin mitchell. On 7 Jan 2010, at 17:11, james morris wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHoCd1pTJx4feature=PlayListp=5840AC014CA20F89playnext=1playnext_from=PLindex=56 :) On 7/1/2010, Simon Biggs s.bi...@eca.ac.uk wrote: Seems clear to me. They want some video art that engages current international socio-economic events to put in an exhibition. Simon Biggs Research Professor edinburgh college of art s.bi...@eca.ac.uk www.eca.ac.uk Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments CIRCLE research group www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ si...@littlepig.org.uk www.littlepig.org.uk AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk From: martin mitchell martinmitc...@mac.com Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 15:50:15 + To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel Variable Economies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January Is this another example of administrative gobbledegook ...! Have no idear of what you are trying to describe. martin mitchell [ artist ]. On 7 Jan 2010, at 11:25, Helen Sloan wrote: Hello This is my first post here and it's a call - sorry. I really enjoyed the Dark Mountain debate and the one that's emerging on Second Life so far. Meantime, I hope this is of interest and do contact if you want more info. Happy New Year Helen Helen Sloan SCAN CALL FOR SUBMISSIONS: Multichannel 3 Title: Variable Economies Variable Economies provides the theme for the programme of works for Multichannel 2010. The theme implies the current global economic downturn, decreased availability of resources influenced by human intervention in the natural environment, shifts in national and global political emphasis, and formally in relation to the making of artist film and video. For Multichannel 2010 artists are invited to submit works for selection that touch upon the themes of the programme in terms of the use of the medium/material of film and video. Multichannel is a screening programme of artists film and video, organised and curated by ArtSway and SCAN in ArtSway¹s galleries. The programme, which previously took place at ArtSway in 2007 and 2008, will once again feature both established practitioners, as well as ground breaking video works by artists from across the UK, and around the world. This year we are pleased to announce that Animate Projects will partner on Multichannel. The selection panel for Multichannel 3 is: Gary Thomas, Co-director Animate Projects; Helen Sloan, Director, SCAN; Peter Bonnell, Curator, ArtSway. Criteria/ Format of works for selection: Please submit your work for viewing on DVD. Should your piece be selected, we will ask you to supply your work as raw uncompressed files preferably on MiniDV, uncompressed .mpg or ..avi. Duration: We will accept pieces of any duration but please be aware that the screenings last up to 2 hours and shorter pieces will take preference. In exceptional circumstances we may be able to consider one-off screenings of longer pieces. Open to: artists of any age, in any part of the world, working in the format of film or video. Deadline for submitting works: Thursday 28 January 2010 Selection panel meets: Week beginning 8 February 2010 Notification of selection result: 26 February 2010 Exhibition of Multichannel 3 at ArtSway: 2 April - 11 April 2010 Contact and address to send work: Peter Bonnell, Curator, ArtSway, Station Road, Sway, SO41 6BA, UK For more information please contact Peter on +44 (0)1590 682260 (+4) or email: pe...@artsway.org.uk mailto:pe...@artsway.org.uk ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour Edinburgh College of Art (eca) is a charity registered in Scotland, number SC009201 ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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common sense never told me to be a nihilist.. common sense told me to make video. On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 12:42 PM, martin mitchell martinmitc...@mac.comwrote: Have no idea what this means .. They want some video art that engages current international socio-economic events to put in an exhibition. Common sense tells us it's meaningless. Just cannot write anymore... this is embarrassing nonsense. martin mitchell. On 7 Jan 2010, at 17:11, james morris wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHoCd1pTJx4feature=PlayListp=5840AC014CA20F89playnext=1playnext_from=PLindex=56 :) On 7/1/2010, Simon Biggs s.bi...@eca.ac.uk wrote: Seems clear to me. They want some video art that engages current international socio-economic events to put in an exhibition. Simon Biggs Research Professor edinburgh college of art s.bi...@eca.ac.uk www.eca.ac.uk Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments CIRCLE research group www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ si...@littlepig.org.uk www.littlepig.org.uk AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk From: martin mitchell martinmitc...@mac.com Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 15:50:15 + To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel Variable Economies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January Is this another example of administrative gobbledegook ...! Have no idear of what you are trying to describe. martin mitchell [ artist ]. On 7 Jan 2010, at 11:25, Helen Sloan wrote: Hello This is my first post here and it's a call - sorry. I really enjoyed the Dark Mountain debate and the one that's emerging on Second Life so far. Meantime, I hope this is of interest and do contact if you want more info. Happy New Year Helen Helen Sloan SCAN CALL FOR SUBMISSIONS: Multichannel 3 Title: Variable Economies Variable Economies provides the theme for the programme of works for Multichannel 2010. The theme implies the current global economic downturn, decreased availability of resources influenced by human intervention in the natural environment, shifts in national and global political emphasis, and formally in relation to the making of artist film and video. For Multichannel 2010 artists are invited to submit works for selection that touch upon the themes of the programme in terms of the use of the medium/material of film and video. Multichannel is a screening programme of artists film and video, organised and curated by ArtSway and SCAN in ArtSway¹s galleries. The programme, which previously took place at ArtSway in 2007 and 2008, will once again feature both established practitioners, as well as ground breaking video works by artists from across the UK, and around the world. This year we are pleased to announce that Animate Projects will partner on Multichannel. The selection panel for Multichannel 3 is: Gary Thomas, Co-director Animate Projects; Helen Sloan, Director, SCAN; Peter Bonnell, Curator, ArtSway. Criteria/ Format of works for selection: Please submit your work for viewing on DVD. Should your piece be selected, we will ask you to supply your work as raw uncompressed files preferably on MiniDV, uncompressed .mpg or ..avi. Duration: We will accept pieces of any duration but please be aware that the screenings last up to 2 hours and shorter pieces will take preference. In exceptional circumstances we may be able to consider one-off screenings of longer pieces. Open to: artists of any age, in any part of the world, working in the format of film or video. Deadline for submitting works: Thursday 28 January 2010 Selection panel meets: Week beginning 8 February 2010 Notification of selection result: 26 February 2010 Exhibition of Multichannel 3 at ArtSway: 2 April - 11 April 2010 Contact and address to send work: Peter Bonnell, Curator, ArtSway, Station Road, Sway, SO41 6BA, UK For more information please contact Peter on +44 (0)1590 682260 (+4) or email: pe...@artsway.org.uk mailto:pe...@artsway.org.uk ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour Edinburgh College of Art (eca) is a charity registered in Scotland, number SC009201 ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org
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nihilist:- a person who believes human existence has no objective meaning, purpose, or intrinsic value. Nihilism (from the Latin nihil, nothing) is the philosophical doctrine suggesting the negation of one or more aspects of life. Most commonly, nihilism is presented in the form of existential nihilism which argues that life[1] is without objective meaning, purpose, or intrinsic value. Moral nihilists assert that morality does not inherently exist, and that any established moral values are abstractly contrived. Subsequently there are no moral values with which to uphold a rule or logically prefer one action over another. Nihilism can also take epistemological, metaphysical, or ontological forms, meaning respectively that in some aspect knowledge is not possible or that contrary to our belief, some aspect of reality does not exist as such. The term nihilism is sometimes used in association with anomie to explain the general mood of despair at a perceived pointlessness of existence that one may develop upon realizing there are no necessary norms, rules, or laws.[2] Movements such as Futurism and deconstructionism,[3] among others, have been identified by commentators as nihilistic at various times in various contexts. Nihilism is also a characteristic that has been ascribed to time periods: for example, Jean Baudrillard and others have called postmodernity a nihilistic epoch,[4] and some Christian theologians and figures of religious authority have asserted that postmodernity[5] and many aspects of modernity[3] represent a rejection of theism, and that such a rejection entails some form of nihilism. M. On 7 Jan 2010, at 18:01, brian gibson wrote: common sense never told me to be a nihilist.. common sense told me to make video. On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 12:42 PM, martin mitchell martinmitc...@mac.com wrote: Have no idea what this means .. They want some video art that engages current international socio-economic events to put in an exhibition. Common sense tells us it's meaningless. Just cannot write anymore... this is embarrassing nonsense. martin mitchell. On 7 Jan 2010, at 17:11, james morris wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHoCd1pTJx4feature=PlayListp=5840AC014CA20F89playnext=1playnext_from=PLindex=56 :) On 7/1/2010, Simon Biggs s.bi...@eca.ac.uk wrote: Seems clear to me. They want some video art that engages current international socio-economic events to put in an exhibition. Simon Biggs Research Professor edinburgh college of art s.bi...@eca.ac.uk www.eca.ac.uk Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments CIRCLE research group www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ si...@littlepig.org.uk www.littlepig.org.uk AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk From: martin mitchell martinmitc...@mac.com Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 15:50:15 + To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel Variable Economies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January Is this another example of administrative gobbledegook ...! Have no idear of what you are trying to describe. martin mitchell [ artist ]. On 7 Jan 2010, at 11:25, Helen Sloan wrote: Hello This is my first post here and it's a call - sorry. I really enjoyed the Dark Mountain debate and the one that's emerging on Second Life so far. Meantime, I hope this is of interest and do contact if you want more info. Happy New Year Helen Helen Sloan SCAN CALL FOR SUBMISSIONS: Multichannel 3 Title: Variable Economies Variable Economies provides the theme for the programme of works for Multichannel 2010. The theme implies the current global economic downturn, decreased availability of resources influenced by human intervention in the natural environment, shifts in national and global political emphasis, and formally in relation to the making of artist film and video. For Multichannel 2010 artists are invited to submit works for selection that touch upon the themes of the programme in terms of the use of the medium/material of film and video. Multichannel is a screening programme of artists film and video, organised and curated by ArtSway and SCAN in ArtSway¹s galleries. The programme, which previously took place at ArtSway in 2007 and 2008, will once again feature both established practitioners, as well as ground breaking video works by artists from across the UK, and around the world. This year we are pleased to announce that Animate Projects will partner on Multichannel. The selection panel for Multichannel 3 is: Gary Thomas, Co-director Animate Projects; Helen Sloan, Director, SCAN; Peter Bonnell, Curator, ArtSway. Criteria/ Format of works for selection: Please submit your work for viewing on DVD.
Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January
Manik where are you? I feel the need for one of your important statements! Crispy Nails in need of manicure ;-) x Renee On Jan 7, 2010, at 7:01 PM, martin mitchell wrote: Interesting animation on you tube 'puffing away'. Ok.. idea is perhaps to do with self destruction of planet earth by human beings that assume to be in control of their own destiny, a problem for self aware human beings to try and resolve through creative and artistic actions such as being a member of the crew on Sea Shepherd but that is method of confrontation, maybe I'll think about image content closer to home in the East End of London that might reflect destruction of living artists environment by construction of new Olympic Park. Please no more of this 'international socio-economic events language ..! martin mitchell. Crispy Nails Animation Studio On 7 Jan 2010, at 17:11, james morris wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHoCd1pTJx4feature=PlayListp=5840AC014CA20F89playnext=1playnext_from=PLindex=56 :) On 7/1/2010, Simon Biggs s.bi...@eca.ac.uk wrote: Seems clear to me. They want some video art that engages current international socio-economic events to put in an exhibition. Simon Biggs Research Professor edinburgh college of art s.bi...@eca.ac.uk www.eca.ac.uk Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments CIRCLE research group www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ si...@littlepig.org.uk www.littlepig.org.uk AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk From: martin mitchell martinmitc...@mac.com Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 15:50:15 + To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel Variable Economies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January Is this another example of administrative gobbledegook ...! Have no idear of what you are trying to describe. martin mitchell [ artist ]. On 7 Jan 2010, at 11:25, Helen Sloan wrote: Hello This is my first post here and it's a call - sorry. I really enjoyed the Dark Mountain debate and the one that's emerging on Second Life so far. Meantime, I hope this is of interest and do contact if you want more info. Happy New Year Helen Helen Sloan SCAN CALL FOR SUBMISSIONS: Multichannel 3 Title: Variable Economies Variable Economies provides the theme for the programme of works for Multichannel 2010. The theme implies the current global economic downturn, decreased availability of resources influenced by human intervention in the natural environment, shifts in national and global political emphasis, and formally in relation to the making of artist film and video. For Multichannel 2010 artists are invited to submit works for selection that touch upon the themes of the programme in terms of the use of the medium/material of film and video. Multichannel is a screening programme of artists film and video, organised and curated by ArtSway and SCAN in ArtSway¹s galleries. The programme, which previously took place at ArtSway in 2007 and 2008, will once again feature both established practitioners, as well as ground breaking video works by artists from across the UK, and around the world. This year we are pleased to announce that Animate Projects will partner on Multichannel. The selection panel for Multichannel 3 is: Gary Thomas, Co- director Animate Projects; Helen Sloan, Director, SCAN; Peter Bonnell, Curator, ArtSway. Criteria/ Format of works for selection: Please submit your work for viewing on DVD. Should your piece be selected, we will ask you to supply your work as raw uncompressed files preferably on MiniDV, uncompressed .mpg or ..avi. Duration: We will accept pieces of any duration but please be aware that the screenings last up to 2 hours and shorter pieces will take preference. In exceptional circumstances we may be able to consider one-off screenings of longer pieces. Open to: artists of any age, in any part of the world, working in the format of film or video. Deadline for submitting works: Thursday 28 January 2010 Selection panel meets: Week beginning 8 February 2010 Notification of selection result: 26 February 2010 Exhibition of Multichannel 3 at ArtSway: 2 April - 11 April 2010 Contact and address to send work: Peter Bonnell, Curator, ArtSway, Station Road, Sway, SO41 6BA, UK For more information please contact Peter on +44 (0)1590 682260 (+4) or email: pe...@artsway.org.uk mailto:pe...@artsway.org.uk ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour Edinburgh College of Art (eca) is a charity registered
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Martin and List Noone is censored in terms of submitting to this programme. It is open to all. I was merely suggesting that if the approach of the programme feels uncomfortable, it may not be the right one to be involved in. If anyone wishes to contact me about submitting work or any aspect of Multichannel, then please get in touch. Helen On 7/1/10 18:01, martin mitchell martinmitc...@mac.com wrote: Interesting animation on you tube 'puffing away'. Ok.. idea is perhaps to do with self destruction of planet earth by human beings that assume to be in control of their own destiny, a problem for self aware human beings to try and resolve through creative and artistic actions such as being a member of the crew on Sea Shepherd but that is method of confrontation, maybe I'll think about image content closer to home in the East End of London that might reflect destruction of living artists environment by construction of new Olympic Park. Please no more of this 'international socio-economic events language ..! martin mitchell. Crispy Nails Animation Studio On 7 Jan 2010, at 17:11, james morris wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHoCd1pTJx4feature=PlayListp=5840AC014CA20F8 9playnext=1playnext_from=PLindex=56 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHoCd1pTJx4amp;feature=PlayListamp;p=5840AC 014CA20F89amp;playnext=1amp;playnext_from=PLamp;index=56 :) On 7/1/2010, Simon Biggs s.bi...@eca.ac.uk wrote: Seems clear to me. They want some video art that engages current international socio-economic events to put in an exhibition. Simon Biggs Research Professor edinburgh college of art s.bi...@eca.ac.uk www.eca.ac.uk Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments CIRCLE research group www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ si...@littlepig.org.uk www.littlepig.org.uk AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk From: martin mitchell martinmitc...@mac.com Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 15:50:15 + To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel Variable Economies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January Is this another example of administrative gobbledegook ...! Have no idear of what you are trying to describe. martin mitchell [ artist ]. On 7 Jan 2010, at 11:25, Helen Sloan wrote: Hello This is my first post here and it's a call - sorry. I really enjoyed the Dark Mountain debate and the one that's emerging on Second Life so far. Meantime, I hope this is of interest and do contact if you want more info. Happy New Year Helen Helen Sloan SCAN CALL FOR SUBMISSIONS: Multichannel 3 Title: Variable Economies Variable Economies provides the theme for the programme of works for Multichannel 2010. The theme implies the current global economic downturn, decreased availability of resources influenced by human intervention in the natural environment, shifts in national and global political emphasis, and formally in relation to the making of artist film and video. For Multichannel 2010 artists are invited to submit works for selection that touch upon the themes of the programme in terms of the use of the medium/material of film and video. Multichannel is a screening programme of artists film and video, organised and curated by ArtSway and SCAN in ArtSway¹s galleries. The programme, which previously took place at ArtSway in 2007 and 2008, will once again feature both established practitioners, as well as ground breaking video works by artists from across the UK, and around the world. This year we are pleased to announce that Animate Projects will partner on Multichannel. The selection panel for Multichannel 3 is: Gary Thomas, Co-director Animate Projects; Helen Sloan, Director, SCAN; Peter Bonnell, Curator, ArtSway. Criteria/ Format of works for selection: Please submit your work for viewing on DVD. Should your piece be selected, we will ask you to supply your work as raw uncompressed files preferably on MiniDV, uncompressed .mpg or ..avi. Duration: We will accept pieces of any duration but please be aware that the screenings last up to 2 hours and shorter pieces will take preference. In exceptional circumstances we may be able to consider one-off screenings of longer pieces. Open to: artists of any age, in any part of the world, working in the format of film or video. Deadline for submitting works: Thursday 28 January 2010 Selection panel meets: Week beginning 8 February 2010 Notification of selection result: 26 February 2010 Exhibition of Multichannel 3 at ArtSway: 2 April - 11 April 2010 Contact and address to send work: Peter Bonnell, Curator, ArtSway, Station Road, Sway, SO41 6BA, UK For more information please contact Peter on +44 (0)1590 682260 (+4) or email: pe...@artsway.org.uk
Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January
I have to agree with Simon, it all seems pretty straight-forward to me. Thanks for posting Helen. tom On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 12:42 PM, martin mitchell martinmitc...@mac.com mailto:martinmitc...@mac.com wrote: Have no idea what this means .. They want some video art that engages current international socio-economic events to put in an exhibition. Common sense tells us it's meaningless. Just cannot write anymore... this is embarrassing nonsense. martin mitchell. On 7 Jan 2010, at 17:11, james morris wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHoCd1pTJx4feature=PlayListp=5840AC014CA20F89playnext=1playnext_from=PLindex=56 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHoCd1pTJx4feature=PlayListp=5840AC014CA20F89playnext=1playnext_from=PLindex=56 :) On 7/1/2010, Simon Biggs s.bi...@eca.ac.uk mailto:s.bi...@eca.ac.uk wrote: Seems clear to me. They want some video art that engages current international socio-economic events to put in an exhibition. Simon Biggs Research Professor edinburgh college of art s.bi...@eca.ac.uk mailto:s.bi...@eca.ac.uk www.eca.ac.uk http://www.eca.ac.uk Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments CIRCLE research group www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ http://www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ si...@littlepig.org.uk mailto:si...@littlepig.org.uk www.littlepig.org.uk http://www.littlepig.org.uk AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk From: martin mitchell martinmitc...@mac.com mailto:martinmitc...@mac.com Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org mailto:netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 15:50:15 + To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org mailto:netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel Variable Economies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January Is this another example of administrative gobbledegook ...! Have no idear of what you are trying to describe. martin mitchell [ artist ]. On 7 Jan 2010, at 11:25, Helen Sloan wrote: Hello This is my first post here and it's a call - sorry. I really enjoyed the Dark Mountain debate and the one that's emerging on Second Life so far. Meantime, I hope this is of interest and do contact if you want more info. Happy New Year Helen Helen Sloan SCAN CALL FOR SUBMISSIONS: Multichannel 3 Title: Variable Economies Variable Economies provides the theme for the programme of works for Multichannel 2010. The theme implies the current global economic downturn, decreased availability of resources influenced by human intervention in the natural environment, shifts in national and global political emphasis, and formally in relation to the making of artist film and video. For Multichannel 2010 artists are invited to submit works for selection that touch upon the themes of the programme in terms of the use of the medium/material of film and video. Multichannel is a screening programme of artists film and video, organised and curated by ArtSway and SCAN in ArtSway¹s galleries. The programme, which previously took place at ArtSway in 2007 and 2008, will once again feature both established practitioners, as well as ground breaking video works by artists from across the UK, and around the world. This year we are pleased to announce that Animate Projects will partner on Multichannel. The selection panel for Multichannel 3 is: Gary Thomas, Co-director Animate Projects; Helen Sloan, Director, SCAN; Peter Bonnell, Curator, ArtSway. Criteria/ Format of works for selection: Please submit your work for viewing on DVD. Should your piece be selected, we will ask you to supply your work as raw uncompressed files preferably on MiniDV, uncompressed .mpg or ..avi. Duration: We will accept pieces of any duration but please be aware that the screenings last up to 2 hours and shorter pieces will take preference. In exceptional circumstances we may be able to consider one-off screenings of longer pieces. Open to: artists of any age, in any part of the world, working in the format of film or video. Deadline for submitting works: Thursday 28 January 2010 Selection panel meets: Week beginning 8 February 2010 Notification of selection result: 26 February 2010 Exhibition of Multichannel 3 at ArtSway: 2 April - 11 April 2010 Contact and address to send work: Peter Bonnell, Curator, ArtSway, Station Road, Sway, SO41 6BA, UK For more information please contact Peter on +44 (0)1590
Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January
It's not the moving image event itself but the nonsensical language used to describe ideas you are looking for inside of those projected images onto a screen. How does one translate into another language part of dogmatic statements like 'running past', 'flag up' or 'socio economic' ! C.N.A.S. On 7 Jan 2010, at 18:14, Helen Sloan wrote: Martin and List Noone is censored in terms of submitting to this programme. It is open to all. I was merely suggesting that if the approach of the programme feels uncomfortable, it may not be the right one to be involved in. If anyone wishes to contact me about submitting work or any aspect of Multichannel, then please get in touch. Helen On 7/1/10 18:01, martin mitchell martinmitc...@mac.com wrote: Interesting animation on you tube 'puffing away'. Ok.. idea is perhaps to do with self destruction of planet earth by human beings that assume to be in control of their own destiny, a problem for self aware human beings to try and resolve through creative and artistic actions such as being a member of the crew on Sea Shepherd but that is method of confrontation, maybe I'll think about image content closer to home in the East End of London that might reflect destruction of living artists environment by construction of new Olympic Park. Please no more of this 'international socio-economic events language ..! martin mitchell. Crispy Nails Animation Studio On 7 Jan 2010, at 17:11, james morris wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHoCd1pTJx4feature=PlayListp=5840AC014CA20F89playnext=1playnext_from=PLindex=56 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHoCd1pTJx4amp;feature=PlayListamp;p=5840AC014CA20F89amp;playnext=1amp;playnext_from=PLamp;index=56 :) On 7/1/2010, Simon Biggs s.bi...@eca.ac.uk wrote: Seems clear to me. They want some video art that engages current international socio-economic events to put in an exhibition. Simon Biggs Research Professor edinburgh college of art s.bi...@eca.ac.uk www.eca.ac.uk Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments CIRCLE research group www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ si...@littlepig.org.uk www.littlepig.org.uk AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk From: martin mitchell martinmitc...@mac.com Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 15:50:15 + To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel Variable Economies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January Is this another example of administrative gobbledegook ...! Have no idear of what you are trying to describe. martin mitchell [ artist ]. On 7 Jan 2010, at 11:25, Helen Sloan wrote: Hello This is my first post here and it's a call - sorry. I really enjoyed the Dark Mountain debate and the one that's emerging on Second Life so far. Meantime, I hope this is of interest and do contact if you want more info. Happy New Year Helen Helen Sloan SCAN CALL FOR SUBMISSIONS: Multichannel 3 Title: Variable Economies Variable Economies provides the theme for the programme of works for Multichannel 2010. The theme implies the current global economic downturn, decreased availability of resources influenced by human intervention in the natural environment, shifts in national and global political emphasis, and formally in relation to the making of artist film and video. For Multichannel 2010 artists are invited to submit works for selection that touch upon the themes of the programme in terms of the use of the medium/material of film and video. Multichannel is a screening programme of artists film and video, organised and curated by ArtSway and SCAN in ArtSway’s galleries. The programme, which previously took place at ArtSway in 2007 and 2008, will once again feature both established practitioners, as well as ground breaking video works by artists from across the UK, and around the world. This year we are pleased to announce that Animate Projects will partner on Multichannel. The selection panel for Multichannel 3 is: Gary Thomas, Co-director Animate Projects; Helen Sloan, Director, SCAN; Peter Bonnell, Curator, ArtSway. Criteria/ Format of works for selection: Please submit your work for viewing on DVD. Should your piece be selected, we will ask you to supply your work as raw uncompressed files preferably on MiniDV, uncompressed .mpg or ..avi. Duration: We will accept pieces of any duration but please be aware that the screenings last up to 2 hours and shorter pieces will take preference. In exceptional circumstances we may be able to consider one-off screenings of longer pieces. Open to: artists of any age, in any part of the world, working in the format of film or video. Deadline for submitting works: Thursday 28
Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January
how does one expect another to only use vocabulary that martin is comfortable with? On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 1:34 PM, martin mitchell martinmitc...@mac.comwrote: It's not the moving image event itself but the nonsensical language used to describe ideas you are looking for inside of those projected images onto a screen. How does one translate into another language part of dogmatic statements like 'running past', 'flag up' or 'socio economic' ! C.N.A.S. On 7 Jan 2010, at 18:14, Helen Sloan wrote: Martin and List Noone is censored in terms of submitting to this programme. It is open to all. I was merely suggesting that if the approach of the programme feels uncomfortable, it may not be the right one to be involved in. If anyone wishes to contact me about submitting work or any aspect of Multichannel, then please get in touch. Helen On 7/1/10 18:01, martin mitchell martinmitc...@mac.com wrote: Interesting animation on you tube 'puffing away'. Ok.. idea is perhaps to do with self destruction of planet earth by human beings that assume to be in control of their own destiny, a problem for self aware human beings to try and resolve through creative and artistic actions such as being a member of the crew on Sea Shepherd but that is method of confrontation, maybe I'll think about image content closer to home in the East End of London that might reflect destruction of living artists environment by construction of new Olympic Park. Please no more of this 'international socio-economic events language ..! martin mitchell. Crispy Nails Animation Studio On 7 Jan 2010, at 17:11, james morris wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHoCd1pTJx4feature=PlayListp=5840AC014CA20F89playnext=1playnext_from=PLindex=56 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHoCd1pTJx4amp;feature=PlayListamp;p=5840AC014CA20F89amp;playnext=1amp;playnext_from=PLamp;index=56http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHoCd1pTJx4feature=PlayListp=5840AC014CA20F89playnext=1playnext_from=PLindex=56 :) On 7/1/2010, Simon Biggs s.bi...@eca.ac.uk wrote: Seems clear to me. They want some video art that engages current international socio-economic events to put in an exhibition. Simon Biggs Research Professor edinburgh college of art s.bi...@eca.ac.uk www.eca.ac.uk Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments CIRCLE research group www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ si...@littlepig.org.uk www.littlepig.org.uk AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk From: martin mitchell martinmitc...@mac.com Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 15:50:15 + To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel Variable Economies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January Is this another example of administrative gobbledegook ...! Have no idear of what you are trying to describe. martin mitchell [ artist ]. On 7 Jan 2010, at 11:25, Helen Sloan wrote: Hello This is my first post here and it's a call - sorry. I really enjoyed the Dark Mountain debate and the one that's emerging on Second Life so far. Meantime, I hope this is of interest and do contact if you want more info. Happy New Year Helen Helen Sloan SCAN CALL FOR SUBMISSIONS: Multichannel 3 Title: Variable Economies Variable Economies provides the theme for the programme of works for Multichannel 2010. The theme implies the current global economic downturn, decreased availability of resources influenced by human intervention in the natural environment, shifts in national and global political emphasis, and formally in relation to the making of artist film and video. For Multichannel 2010 artists are invited to submit works for selection that touch upon the themes of the programme in terms of the use of the medium/material of film and video. Multichannel is a screening programme of artists film and video, organised and curated by ArtSway and SCAN in ArtSway’s galleries. The programme, which previously took place at ArtSway in 2007 and 2008, will once again feature both established practitioners, as well as ground breaking video works by artists from across the UK, and around the world. This year we are pleased to announce that Animate Projects will partner on Multichannel. The selection panel for Multichannel 3 is: Gary Thomas, Co-director Animate Projects; Helen Sloan, Director, SCAN; Peter Bonnell, Curator, ArtSway. Criteria/ Format of works for selection: Please submit your work for viewing on DVD. Should your piece be selected, we will ask you to supply your work as raw uncompressed files preferably on MiniDV, uncompressed .mpg or ..avi. Duration: We will accept pieces of any duration but please be aware that the screenings last up to 2 hours and shorter pieces will take preference. In exceptional
Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January
English language. On 7 Jan 2010, at 19:07, brian gibson wrote: how does one expect another to only use vocabulary that martin is comfortable with? On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 1:34 PM, martin mitchell martinmitc...@mac.com wrote: It's not the moving image event itself but the nonsensical language used to describe ideas you are looking for inside of those projected images onto a screen. How does one translate into another language part of dogmatic statements like 'running past', 'flag up' or 'socio economic' ! C.N.A.S. On 7 Jan 2010, at 18:14, Helen Sloan wrote: Martin and List Noone is censored in terms of submitting to this programme. It is open to all. I was merely suggesting that if the approach of the programme feels uncomfortable, it may not be the right one to be involved in. If anyone wishes to contact me about submitting work or any aspect of Multichannel, then please get in touch. Helen On 7/1/10 18:01, martin mitchell martinmitc...@mac.com wrote: Interesting animation on you tube 'puffing away'. Ok.. idea is perhaps to do with self destruction of planet earth by human beings that assume to be in control of their own destiny, a problem for self aware human beings to try and resolve through creative and artistic actions such as being a member of the crew on Sea Shepherd but that is method of confrontation, maybe I'll think about image content closer to home in the East End of London that might reflect destruction of living artists environment by construction of new Olympic Park. Please no more of this 'international socio-economic events language ..! martin mitchell. Crispy Nails Animation Studio On 7 Jan 2010, at 17:11, james morris wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHoCd1pTJx4feature=PlayListp=5840AC014CA20F89playnext=1playnext_from=PLindex=56 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHoCd1pTJx4amp;feature=PlayListamp;p=5840AC014CA20F89amp;playnext=1amp;playnext_from=PLamp;index=56 :) On 7/1/2010, Simon Biggs s.bi...@eca.ac.uk wrote: Seems clear to me. They want some video art that engages current international socio-economic events to put in an exhibition. Simon Biggs Research Professor edinburgh college of art s.bi...@eca.ac.uk www.eca.ac.uk Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments CIRCLE research group www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ si...@littlepig.org.uk www.littlepig.org.uk AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk From: martin mitchell martinmitc...@mac.com Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 15:50:15 + To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel Variable Economies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January Is this another example of administrative gobbledegook ...! Have no idear of what you are trying to describe. martin mitchell [ artist ]. On 7 Jan 2010, at 11:25, Helen Sloan wrote: Hello This is my first post here and it's a call - sorry. I really enjoyed the Dark Mountain debate and the one that's emerging on Second Life so far. Meantime, I hope this is of interest and do contact if you want more info. Happy New Year Helen Helen Sloan SCAN CALL FOR SUBMISSIONS: Multichannel 3 Title: Variable Economies Variable Economies provides the theme for the programme of works for Multichannel 2010. The theme implies the current global economic downturn, decreased availability of resources influenced by human intervention in the natural environment, shifts in national and global political emphasis, and formally in relation to the making of artist film and video. For Multichannel 2010 artists are invited to submit works for selection that touch upon the themes of the programme in terms of the use of the medium/material of film and video. Multichannel is a screening programme of artists film and video, organised and curated by ArtSway and SCAN in ArtSway’s galleries. The programme, which previously took place at ArtSway in 2007 and 2008, will once again feature both established practitioners, as well as ground breaking video works by artists from across the UK, and around the world. This year we are pleased to announce that Animate Projects will partner on Multichannel. The selection panel for Multichannel 3 is: Gary Thomas, Co-director Animate Projects; Helen Sloan, Director, SCAN; Peter Bonnell, Curator, ArtSway. Criteria/ Format of works for selection: Please submit your work for viewing on DVD. Should your piece be selected, we will ask you to supply your work as raw uncompressed files preferably on MiniDV, uncompressed .mpg or ..avi. Duration: We will accept pieces of any duration but please be aware that the screenings last up to 2 hours and
Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January
Hi Martin. Please no more of this 'international socio-economic events language ..! I think Helen, Simon and anyone else on here should be allowed to express themselves how they want, such macho censorship only works, to suppress and kill our voices in this world... I'd be happy for you to demolish any artist environments in the East End of London - especially that Brit Art rubbish... Karen On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 6:01 PM, martin mitchell martinmitc...@mac.comwrote: Interesting animation on you tube 'puffing away'. Ok.. idea is perhaps to do with self destruction of planet earth by human beings that assume to be in control of their own destiny, a problem for self aware human beings to try and resolve through creative and artistic actions such as being a member of the crew on Sea Shepherd but that is method of confrontation, maybe I'll think about image content closer to home in the East End of London that might reflect destruction of living artists environment by construction of new Olympic Park. Please no more of this 'international socio-economic events language ..! martin mitchell. Crispy Nails Animation Studio On 7 Jan 2010, at 17:11, james morris wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHoCd1pTJx4feature=PlayListp=5840AC014CA20F89playnext=1playnext_from=PLindex=56 :) On 7/1/2010, Simon Biggs s.bi...@eca.ac.uk wrote: Seems clear to me. They want some video art that engages current international socio-economic events to put in an exhibition. Simon Biggs Research Professor edinburgh college of art s.bi...@eca.ac.uk www.eca.ac.uk Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments CIRCLE research group www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ si...@littlepig.org.uk www.littlepig.org.uk AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk From: martin mitchell martinmitc...@mac.com Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 15:50:15 + To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel Variable Economies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January Is this another example of administrative gobbledegook ...! Have no idear of what you are trying to describe. martin mitchell [ artist ]. On 7 Jan 2010, at 11:25, Helen Sloan wrote: Hello This is my first post here and it's a call - sorry. I really enjoyed the Dark Mountain debate and the one that's emerging on Second Life so far. Meantime, I hope this is of interest and do contact if you want more info. Happy New Year Helen Helen Sloan SCAN CALL FOR SUBMISSIONS: Multichannel 3 Title: Variable Economies Variable Economies provides the theme for the programme of works for Multichannel 2010. The theme implies the current global economic downturn, decreased availability of resources influenced by human intervention in the natural environment, shifts in national and global political emphasis, and formally in relation to the making of artist film and video. For Multichannel 2010 artists are invited to submit works for selection that touch upon the themes of the programme in terms of the use of the medium/material of film and video. Multichannel is a screening programme of artists film and video, organised and curated by ArtSway and SCAN in ArtSway¹s galleries. The programme, which previously took place at ArtSway in 2007 and 2008, will once again feature both established practitioners, as well as ground breaking video works by artists from across the UK, and around the world. This year we are pleased to announce that Animate Projects will partner on Multichannel. The selection panel for Multichannel 3 is: Gary Thomas, Co-director Animate Projects; Helen Sloan, Director, SCAN; Peter Bonnell, Curator, ArtSway. Criteria/ Format of works for selection: Please submit your work for viewing on DVD. Should your piece be selected, we will ask you to supply your work as raw uncompressed files preferably on MiniDV, uncompressed .mpg or ..avi. Duration: We will accept pieces of any duration but please be aware that the screenings last up to 2 hours and shorter pieces will take preference. In exceptional circumstances we may be able to consider one-off screenings of longer pieces. Open to: artists of any age, in any part of the world, working in the format of film or video. Deadline for submitting works: Thursday 28 January 2010 Selection panel meets: Week beginning 8 February 2010 Notification of selection result: 26 February 2010 Exhibition of Multichannel 3 at ArtSway: 2 April - 11 April 2010 Contact and address to send work: Peter Bonnell, Curator, ArtSway, Station Road, Sway, SO41 6BA, UK For more information please contact Peter on +44 (0)1590 682260 (+4) or email: pe...@artsway.org.uk mailto:pe...@artsway.org.uk
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On 07/01/10 18:34, martin mitchell wrote: How does one translate into another language part of dogmatic statements like 'running past', 'flag up' or 'socio economic' ! I don't think that the expressions you identify are dogmatic. It could be argued that they have their origin in managerial jargon (they certainly aren't artworld jargon), but I think that they are just examples of contemporary public written English. I think that the impact of the Olympics on people's lives is an important concrete, specific, local example of the kind of current events that need criticising and that art can usefully criticise (being all about aesthetics eclipsing ethics). The abstract, general, gobal criteria of a call such as Multichannel 3 don't preclude that kind of thing - quite the opposite, they are an opportunity to make a noise about it that otherwise wouldn't exist. - Rob. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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On 07/01/10 23:15, martin mitchell wrote: Yes an interesting observation which I agree with but the initial statement did not give a readable description to such ideas that one might understand when reading original email We'll just have to differ about agreeing on that. ;-) as an artist sitting in a studio on a cold thursday evening in east London I wish I could afford a studio, or to live in London. ;-) - Rob. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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LOL Simon Biggs Research Professor edinburgh college of art s.bi...@eca.ac.uk www.eca.ac.uk Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments CIRCLE research group www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ si...@littlepig.org.uk www.littlepig.org.uk AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk From: james morris ja...@jwm-art.net Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 17:11:48 + (GMT) To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHoCd1pTJx4feature=PlayListp=5840AC014CA20F 89playnext=1playnext_from=PLindex=56 :) On 7/1/2010, Simon Biggs s.bi...@eca.ac.uk wrote: Seems clear to me. They want some video art that engages current international socio-economic events to put in an exhibition. Simon Biggs Research Professor edinburgh college of art s.bi...@eca.ac.uk www.eca.ac.uk Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments CIRCLE research group www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ si...@littlepig.org.uk www.littlepig.org.uk AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk From: martin mitchell martinmitc...@mac.com Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 15:50:15 + To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel Variable Economies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January Is this another example of administrative gobbledegook ...! Have no idear of what you are trying to describe. martin mitchell [ artist ]. On 7 Jan 2010, at 11:25, Helen Sloan wrote: Hello This is my first post here and it's a call - sorry. I really enjoyed the Dark Mountain debate and the one that's emerging on Second Life so far. Meantime, I hope this is of interest and do contact if you want more info. Happy New Year Helen Helen Sloan SCAN CALL FOR SUBMISSIONS: Multichannel 3 Title: Variable Economies Variable Economies provides the theme for the programme of works for Multichannel 2010. The theme implies the current global economic downturn, decreased availability of resources influenced by human intervention in the natural environment, shifts in national and global political emphasis, and formally in relation to the making of artist film and video. For Multichannel 2010 artists are invited to submit works for selection that touch upon the themes of the programme in terms of the use of the medium/material of film and video. Multichannel is a screening programme of artists film and video, organised and curated by ArtSway and SCAN in ArtSway¹s galleries. The programme, which previously took place at ArtSway in 2007 and 2008, will once again feature both established practitioners, as well as ground breaking video works by artists from across the UK, and around the world. This year we are pleased to announce that Animate Projects will partner on Multichannel. The selection panel for Multichannel 3 is: Gary Thomas, Co-director Animate Projects; Helen Sloan, Director, SCAN; Peter Bonnell, Curator, ArtSway. Criteria/ Format of works for selection: Please submit your work for viewing on DVD. Should your piece be selected, we will ask you to supply your work as raw uncompressed files preferably on MiniDV, uncompressed .mpg or .avi. Duration: We will accept pieces of any duration but please be aware that the screenings last up to 2 hours and shorter pieces will take preference. In exceptional circumstances we may be able to consider one-off screenings of longer pieces. Open to: artists of any age, in any part of the world, working in the format of film or video. Deadline for submitting works: Thursday 28 January 2010 Selection panel meets: Week beginning 8 February 2010 Notification of selection result: 26 February 2010 Exhibition of Multichannel 3 at ArtSway: 2 April - 11 April 2010 Contact and address to send work: Peter Bonnell, Curator, ArtSway, Station Road, Sway, SO41 6BA, UK For more information please contact Peter on +44 (0)1590 682260 (+4) or email: pe...@artsway.org.uk mailto:pe...@artsway.org.uk ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour Edinburgh College of Art (eca) is a charity registered in Scotland, number SC009201 ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour Edinburgh College of Art (eca) is a charity registered in Scotland, number SC009201
Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January
You don¹t like art? Simon Biggs Research Professor edinburgh college of art s.bi...@eca.ac.uk www.eca.ac.uk Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments CIRCLE research group www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ si...@littlepig.org.uk www.littlepig.org.uk AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk From: martin mitchell martinmitc...@mac.com Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 17:42:10 + To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January Have no idea what this means .. They want some video art that engages current international socio-economic events to put in an exhibition. Common sense tells us it's meaningless. Just cannot write anymore... this is embarrassing nonsense. martin mitchell. On 7 Jan 2010, at 17:11, james morris wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHoCd1pTJx4feature=PlayListp=5840AC014CA20F89 playnext=1playnext_from=PLindex=56 :) On 7/1/2010, Simon Biggs s.bi...@eca.ac.uk wrote: Seems clear to me. They want some video art that engages current international socio-economic events to put in an exhibition. Simon Biggs Research Professor edinburgh college of art s.bi...@eca.ac.uk www.eca.ac.uk Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments CIRCLE research group www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ si...@littlepig.org.uk www.littlepig.org.uk AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk From: martin mitchell martinmitc...@mac.com Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 15:50:15 + To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel Variable Economies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January Is this another example of administrative gobbledegook ...! Have no idear of what you are trying to describe. martin mitchell [ artist ]. On 7 Jan 2010, at 11:25, Helen Sloan wrote: Hello This is my first post here and it's a call - sorry. I really enjoyed the Dark Mountain debate and the one that's emerging on Second Life so far. Meantime, I hope this is of interest and do contact if you want more info. Happy New Year Helen Helen Sloan SCAN CALL FOR SUBMISSIONS: Multichannel 3 Title: Variable Economies Variable Economies provides the theme for the programme of works for Multichannel 2010. The theme implies the current global economic downturn, decreased availability of resources influenced by human intervention in the natural environment, shifts in national and global political emphasis, and formally in relation to the making of artist film and video. For Multichannel 2010 artists are invited to submit works for selection that touch upon the themes of the programme in terms of the use of the medium/material of film and video. Multichannel is a screening programme of artists film and video, organised and curated by ArtSway and SCAN in ArtSway¹s galleries. The programme, which previously took place at ArtSway in 2007 and 2008, will once again feature both established practitioners, as well as ground breaking video works by artists from across the UK, and around the world. This year we are pleased to announce that Animate Projects will partner on Multichannel. The selection panel for Multichannel 3 is: Gary Thomas, Co-director Animate Projects; Helen Sloan, Director, SCAN; Peter Bonnell, Curator, ArtSway. Criteria/ Format of works for selection: Please submit your work for viewing on DVD. Should your piece be selected, we will ask you to supply your work as raw uncompressed files preferably on MiniDV, uncompressed .mpg or ..avi. Duration: We will accept pieces of any duration but please be aware that the screenings last up to 2 hours and shorter pieces will take preference. In exceptional circumstances we may be able to consider one-off screenings of longer pieces. Open to: artists of any age, in any part of the world, working in the format of film or video. Deadline for submitting works: Thursday 28 January 2010 Selection panel meets: Week beginning 8 February 2010 Notification of selection result: 26 February 2010 Exhibition of Multichannel 3 at ArtSway: 2 April - 11 April 2010 Contact and address to send work: Peter Bonnell, Curator, ArtSway, Station Road, Sway, SO41 6BA, UK For more information please contact Peter on +44 (0)1590 682260 (+4) or email: pe...@artsway.org.uk mailto:pe...@artsway.org.uk ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour
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My glasses are beginning to be covered with layer of ice as the gas fire dims and electricity supply blinks lights on and off, conversation on this site has slowly been snowed under ... blink.. On 7 Jan 2010, at 23:25, Rob Myers wrote: On 07/01/10 23:15, martin mitchell wrote: Yes an interesting observation which I agree with but the initial statement did not give a readable description to such ideas that one might understand when reading original email We'll just have to differ about agreeing on that. ;-) as an artist sitting in a studio on a cold thursday evening in east London I wish I could afford a studio, or to live in London. ;-) - Rob. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January
Sounds reasonable to me...how could anybody think differently? Simon Biggs Research Professor edinburgh college of art s.bi...@eca.ac.uk www.eca.ac.uk Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments CIRCLE research group www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ si...@littlepig.org.uk www.littlepig.org.uk AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk From: martin mitchell martinmitc...@mac.com Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 18:09:32 + To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January nihilist:- a person who believes human existence has no objective meaning, purpose, or intrinsic value. Nihilism (from the Latin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin nihil, nothing) is the philosophical http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy doctrine suggesting the negation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negation of one or more aspects of life http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life . Most commonly, nihilism is presented in the form of existential nihilism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilism#Existential_nihilism which argues that life[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilism#cite_note-0 is without objective meaning, purpose http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purpose , or intrinsic value http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intrinsic_value_%28ethics%29 . Moral nihilists http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilism#Moral_nihilism assert that morality http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morality does not inherently exist, and that any established moral values are abstractly contrived. Subsequently there are no moral values with which to uphold a rule or logically prefer one action over another. Nihilism can also take epistemological http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epistemology , metaphysical http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metaphysics , or ontological http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontology forms, meaning respectively that in some aspect knowledge is not possible or that contrary to our belief, some aspect of reality does not exist as such. The term nihilism is sometimes used in association with anomie http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anomie to explain the general mood of despair at a perceived pointlessness of existence that one may develop upon realizing there are no necessary norms, rules, or laws.[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilism#cite_note-1 Movements such as Futurism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Futurism_%28art%29 and deconstructionism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deconstruction ,[3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilism#cite_note-phillips-2 among others, have been identified by commentators as nihilistic at various times in various contexts. Nihilism is also a characteristic that has been ascribed to time periods: for example, Jean Baudrillard http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Baudrillard and others have called postmodernity http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postmodernity a nihilistic epoch,[4] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilism#cite_note-3 and some Christian http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity theologians and figures of religious authority have asserted that postmodernity http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postmodernity [5] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilism#cite_note-4 and many aspects of modernity http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modernity [3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilism#cite_note-phillips-2 represent a rejection of theism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theism , and that such a rejection entails some form of nihilism. M. On 7 Jan 2010, at 18:01, brian gibson wrote: common sense never told me to be a nihilist.. common sense told me to make video. On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 12:42 PM, martin mitchell martinmitc...@mac.com wrote: Have no idea what this means .. They want some video art that engages current international socio-economic events to put in an exhibition. Common sense tells us it's meaningless. Just cannot write anymore... this is embarrassing nonsense. martin mitchell. On 7 Jan 2010, at 17:11, james morris wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHoCd1pTJx4feature=PlayListp=5840AC014CA20F 89playnext=1playnext_from=PLindex=56 :) On 7/1/2010, Simon Biggs s.bi...@eca.ac.uk wrote: Seems clear to me. They want some video art that engages current international socio-economic events to put in an exhibition. Simon Biggs Research Professor edinburgh college of art s.bi...@eca.ac.uk www.eca.ac.uk http://www.eca.ac.uk/ Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments CIRCLE research group www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ http://www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ si...@littlepig.org.uk www.littlepig.org.uk http://www.littlepig.org.uk/ AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk From: martin mitchell martinmitc...@mac.com Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 15:50
Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January
WHOW..No the complete opposite I'm an artist and not an academic. On 7 Jan 2010, at 23:28, Simon Biggs wrote: You don’t like art? Simon Biggs Research Professor edinburgh college of art s.bi...@eca.ac.uk www.eca.ac.uk Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments CIRCLE research group www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ si...@littlepig.org.uk www.littlepig.org.uk AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk From: martin mitchell martinmitc...@mac.com Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 17:42:10 + To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January Have no idea what this means .. They want some video art that engages current international socio-economic events to put in an exhibition. Common sense tells us it's meaningless. Just cannot write anymore... this is embarrassing nonsense. martin mitchell. On 7 Jan 2010, at 17:11, james morris wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHoCd1pTJx4feature=PlayListp=5840AC014CA20F89playnext=1playnext_from=PLindex=56 :) On 7/1/2010, Simon Biggs s.bi...@eca.ac.uk wrote: Seems clear to me. They want some video art that engages current international socio-economic events to put in an exhibition. Simon Biggs Research Professor edinburgh college of art s.bi...@eca.ac.uk www.eca.ac.uk Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments CIRCLE research group www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ si...@littlepig.org.uk www.littlepig.org.uk AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk From: martin mitchell martinmitc...@mac.com Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 15:50:15 + To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel Variable Economies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January Is this another example of administrative gobbledegook ...! Have no idear of what you are trying to describe. martin mitchell [ artist ]. On 7 Jan 2010, at 11:25, Helen Sloan wrote: Hello This is my first post here and it's a call - sorry. I really enjoyed the Dark Mountain debate and the one that's emerging on Second Life so far. Meantime, I hope this is of interest and do contact if you want more info. Happy New Year Helen Helen Sloan SCAN CALL FOR SUBMISSIONS: Multichannel 3 Title: Variable Economies Variable Economies provides the theme for the programme of works for Multichannel 2010. The theme implies the current global economic downturn, decreased availability of resources influenced by human intervention in the natural environment, shifts in national and global political emphasis, and formally in relation to the making of artist film and video. For Multichannel 2010 artists are invited to submit works for selection that touch upon the themes of the programme in terms of the use of the medium/material of film and video. Multichannel is a screening programme of artists film and video, organised and curated by ArtSway and SCAN in ArtSway’s galleries. The programme, which previously took place at ArtSway in 2007 and 2008, will once again feature both established practitioners, as well as ground breaking video works by artists from across the UK, and around the world. This year we are pleased to announce that Animate Projects will partner on Multichannel. The selection panel for Multichannel 3 is: Gary Thomas, Co-director Animate Projects; Helen Sloan, Director, SCAN; Peter Bonnell, Curator, ArtSway. Criteria/ Format of works for selection: Please submit your work for viewing on DVD. Should your piece be selected, we will ask you to supply your work as raw uncompressed files preferably on MiniDV, uncompressed .mpg or ..avi. Duration: We will accept pieces of any duration but please be aware that the screenings last up to 2 hours and shorter pieces will take preference. In exceptional circumstances we may be able to consider one-off screenings of longer pieces. Open to: artists of any age, in any part of the world, working in the format of film or video. Deadline for submitting works: Thursday 28 January 2010 Selection panel meets: Week beginning 8 February 2010 Notification of selection result: 26 February 2010 Exhibition of Multichannel 3 at ArtSway: 2 April - 11 April 2010 Contact and address to send work: Peter Bonnell, Curator, ArtSway, Station Road, Sway, SO41 6BA, UK For more information please contact Peter on +44 (0)1590 682260 (+4) or email: pe...@artsway.org.uk mailto:pe...@artsway.org.uk ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour
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It wasn¹t Helen who used the term ³socio-economic², it was me. Why is that term difficult? It seems clear to me. It evokes those aspects of the social that are primarily to do with exchange; material and otherwise. I¹d be interested to know why it might be a difficult term for some people to process, as it might help me tune my language in the future. I like to be precise. Simon Biggs Research Professor edinburgh college of art s.bi...@eca.ac.uk www.eca.ac.uk Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments CIRCLE research group www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ si...@littlepig.org.uk www.littlepig.org.uk AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk From: martin mitchell martinmitc...@mac.com Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 18:34:02 + To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January It's not the moving image event itself but the nonsensical language used to describe ideas you are looking for inside of those projected images onto a screen. How does one translate into another language part of dogmatic statements like 'running past', 'flag up' or 'socio economic' ! C.N.A.S. On 7 Jan 2010, at 18:14, Helen Sloan wrote: Martin and List Noone is censored in terms of submitting to this programme. It is open to all. I was merely suggesting that if the approach of the programme feels uncomfortable, it may not be the right one to be involved in. If anyone wishes to contact me about submitting work or any aspect of Multichannel, then please get in touch. Helen On 7/1/10 18:01, martin mitchell martinmitc...@mac.com wrote: Interesting animation on you tube 'puffing away'. Ok.. idea is perhaps to do with self destruction of planet earth by human beings that assume to be in control of their own destiny, a problem for self aware human beings to try and resolve through creative and artistic actions such as being a member of the crew on Sea Shepherd but that is method of confrontation, maybe I'll think about image content closer to home in the East End of London that might reflect destruction of living artists environment by construction of new Olympic Park. Please no more of this 'international socio-economic events language ..! martin mitchell. Crispy Nails Animation Studio On 7 Jan 2010, at 17:11, james morris wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHoCd1pTJx4feature=PlayListp=5840AC014CA20F 89playnext=1playnext_from=PLindex=56 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHoCd1pTJx4amp;feature=PlayListamp;p=5840A C014CA20F89amp;playnext=1amp;playnext_from=PLamp;index=56 :) On 7/1/2010, Simon Biggs s.bi...@eca.ac.uk wrote: Seems clear to me. They want some video art that engages current international socio-economic events to put in an exhibition. Simon Biggs Research Professor edinburgh college of art s.bi...@eca.ac.uk www.eca.ac.uk http://www.eca.ac.uk Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments CIRCLE research group www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ http://www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ si...@littlepig.org.uk www.littlepig.org.uk http://www.littlepig.org.uk AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk From: martin mitchell martinmitc...@mac.com Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 15:50:15 + To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel Variable Economies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January Is this another example of administrative gobbledegook ...! Have no idear of what you are trying to describe. martin mitchell [ artist ]. On 7 Jan 2010, at 11:25, Helen Sloan wrote: Hello This is my first post here and it's a call - sorry. I really enjoyed the Dark Mountain debate and the one that's emerging on Second Life so far. Meantime, I hope this is of interest and do contact if you want more info. Happy New Year Helen Helen Sloan SCAN CALL FOR SUBMISSIONS: Multichannel 3 Title: Variable Economies Variable Economies provides the theme for the programme of works for Multichannel 2010. The theme implies the current global economic downturn, decreased availability of resources influenced by human intervention in the natural environment, shifts in national and global political emphasis, and formally in relation to the making of artist film and video. For Multichannel 2010 artists are invited to submit works for selection that touch upon the themes of the programme in terms of the use of the medium/material of film and video. Multichannel is a screening programme of artists film and video, organised and curated by ArtSway and SCAN in ArtSway¹s galleries
Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January
ERRR... about what there is a missing subject matter...! On 7 Jan 2010, at 23:35, Simon Biggs wrote: Sounds reasonable to me...how could anybody think differently? Simon Biggs Research Professor edinburgh college of art s.bi...@eca.ac.uk www.eca.ac.uk Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments CIRCLE research group www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ si...@littlepig.org.uk www.littlepig.org.uk AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk From: martin mitchell martinmitc...@mac.com Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 18:09:32 + To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January nihilist:- a person who believes human existence has no objective meaning, purpose, or intrinsic value. Nihilism (from the Latin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin nihil, nothing) is the philosophical http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy doctrine suggesting the negation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negation of one or more aspects of life http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life . Most commonly, nihilism is presented in the form of existential nihilism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilism#Existential_nihilism which argues that life[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilism#cite_note-0 is without objective meaning, purpose http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purpose , or intrinsic value http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intrinsic_value_%28ethics%29 . Moral nihilists http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilism#Moral_nihilism assert that morality http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morality does not inherently exist, and that any established moral values are abstractly contrived. Subsequently there are no moral values with which to uphold a rule or logically prefer one action over another. Nihilism can also take epistemological http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epistemology , metaphysical http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metaphysics , or ontological http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontology forms, meaning respectively that in some aspect knowledge is not possible or that contrary to our belief, some aspect of reality does not exist as such. The term nihilism is sometimes used in association with anomie http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anomie to explain the general mood of despair at a perceived pointlessness of existence that one may develop upon realizing there are no necessary norms, rules, or laws.[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilism#cite_note-1 Movements such as Futurism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Futurism_%28art%29 and deconstructionism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deconstruction ,[3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilism#cite_note-phillips-2 among others, have been identified by commentators as nihilistic at various times in various contexts. Nihilism is also a characteristic that has been ascribed to time periods: for example, Jean Baudrillard http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Baudrillard and others have called postmodernity http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postmodernity a nihilistic epoch,[4] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilism#cite_note-3 and some Christian http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity theologians and figures of religious authority have asserted that postmodernity http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postmodernity [5] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilism#cite_note-4 and many aspects of modernity http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modernity [3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilism#cite_note-phillips-2 represent a rejection of theism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theism , and that such a rejection entails some form of nihilism. M. On 7 Jan 2010, at 18:01, brian gibson wrote: common sense never told me to be a nihilist.. common sense told me to make video. On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 12:42 PM, martin mitchell martinmitc...@mac.com wrote: Have no idea what this means .. They want some video art that engages current international socio-economic events to put in an exhibition. Common sense tells us it's meaningless. Just cannot write anymore... this is embarrassing nonsense. martin mitchell. On 7 Jan 2010, at 17:11, james morris wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHoCd1pTJx4feature=PlayListp=5840AC014CA20F89playnext=1playnext_from=PLindex=56 :) On 7/1/2010, Simon Biggs s.bi...@eca.ac.uk wrote: Seems clear to me. They want some video art that engages current international socio-economic events to put in an exhibition. Simon Biggs Research Professor edinburgh college of art s.bi...@eca.ac.uk www.eca.ac.uk http://www.eca.ac.uk/ Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments CIRCLE research group www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ http://www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ si...@littlepig.org.uk
Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January
What¹s that? Simon Biggs Research Professor edinburgh college of art s.bi...@eca.ac.uk www.eca.ac.uk Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments CIRCLE research group www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ si...@littlepig.org.uk www.littlepig.org.uk AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk From: martin mitchell martinmitc...@mac.com Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 23:41:21 + To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January ERRR... about what there is a missing subject matter...! On 7 Jan 2010, at 23:35, Simon Biggs wrote: Sounds reasonable to me...how could anybody think differently? Simon Biggs Research Professor edinburgh college of art s.bi...@eca.ac.uk www.eca.ac.uk Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments CIRCLE research group www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ si...@littlepig.org.uk x-msg://83/si...@littlepig.org.uk www.littlepig.org.uk http://www.littlepig.org.uk AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk From: martin mitchell martinmitc...@mac.com x-msg://83/martinmitc...@mac.com Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org x-msg://83/netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 18:09:32 + To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org x-msg://83/netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January nihilist:- a person who believes human existence has no objective meaning, purpose, or intrinsic value. Nihilism (from the Latin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin nihil, nothing) is the philosophical http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy doctrine suggesting the negation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negation of one or more aspects of life http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life . Most commonly, nihilism is presented in the form of existential nihilism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilism#Existential_nihilism which argues that life[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilism#cite_note-0 is without objective meaning, purpose http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purpose , or intrinsic value http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intrinsic_value_%28ethics%29 . Moral nihilists http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilism#Moral_nihilism assert that morality http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morality does not inherently exist, and that any established moral values are abstractly contrived. Subsequently there are no moral values with which to uphold a rule or logically prefer one action over another. Nihilism can also take epistemological http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epistemology , metaphysical http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metaphysics , or ontological http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontology forms, meaning respectively that in some aspect knowledge is not possible or that contrary to our belief, some aspect of reality does not exist as such. The term nihilism is sometimes used in association with anomie http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anomie to explain the general mood of despair at a perceived pointlessness of existence that one may develop upon realizing there are no necessary norms, rules, or laws.[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilism#cite_note-1 Movements such as Futurism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Futurism_%28art%29 and deconstructionism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deconstruction ,[3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilism#cite_note-phillips-2 among others, have been identified by commentators as nihilistic at various times in various contexts. Nihilism is also a characteristic that has been ascribed to time periods: for example, Jean Baudrillard http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Baudrillard and others have called postmodernity http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postmodernity a nihilistic epoch,[4] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilism#cite_note-3 and some Christian http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity theologians and figures of religious authority have asserted that postmodernity http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postmodernity [5] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilism#cite_note-4 and many aspects of modernity http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modernity [3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilism#cite_note-phillips-2 represent a rejection of theism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theism , and that such a rejection entails some form of nihilism. M. On 7 Jan 2010, at 18:01, brian gibson wrote: common sense never told me to be a nihilist.. common sense told me to make video. On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 12:42 PM, martin mitchell martinmitc...@mac.com x-msg://83/martinmitc...@mac.com wrote: Have no idea what this means .. They want some video art that engages current international socio
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Most people on this list are artists, including myself. Any academic roles we have are a result of what we have done as artists, not academics. That is part of socio-economics... Simon Biggs Research Professor edinburgh college of art s.bi...@eca.ac.uk www.eca.ac.uk Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments CIRCLE research group www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ si...@littlepig.org.uk www.littlepig.org.uk AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk From: martin mitchell martinmitc...@mac.com Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 23:39:14 + To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January WHOW..No the complete opposite I'm an artist and not an academic. On 7 Jan 2010, at 23:28, Simon Biggs wrote: You don¹t like art? Simon Biggs Research Professor edinburgh college of art s.bi...@eca.ac.uk www.eca.ac.uk Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments CIRCLE research group www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ si...@littlepig.org.uk x-msg://79/si...@littlepig.org.uk www.littlepig.org.uk http://www.littlepig.org.uk AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk From: martin mitchell martinmitc...@mac.com x-msg://79/martinmitc...@mac.com Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org x-msg://79/netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 17:42:10 + To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org x-msg://79/netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January Have no idea what this means .. They want some video art that engages current international socio-economic events to put in an exhibition. Common sense tells us it's meaningless. Just cannot write anymore... this is embarrassing nonsense. martin mitchell. On 7 Jan 2010, at 17:11, james morris wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHoCd1pTJx4feature=PlayListp=5840AC014CA20F8 9playnext=1playnext_from=PLindex=56 :) On 7/1/2010, Simon Biggs s.bi...@eca.ac.uk x-msg://79/s.bi...@eca.ac.uk wrote: Seems clear to me. They want some video art that engages current international socio-economic events to put in an exhibition. Simon Biggs Research Professor edinburgh college of art s.bi...@eca.ac.uk x-msg://79/s.bi...@eca.ac.uk www.eca.ac.uk http://www.eca.ac.uk Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments CIRCLE research group www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ http://www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ si...@littlepig.org.uk x-msg://79/si...@littlepig.org.uk www.littlepig.org.uk http://www.littlepig.org.uk AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk From: martin mitchell martinmitc...@mac.com x-msg://79/martinmitc...@mac.com Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org x-msg://79/netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 15:50:15 + To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org x-msg://79/netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel Variable Economies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January Is this another example of administrative gobbledegook ...! Have no idear of what you are trying to describe. martin mitchell [ artist ]. On 7 Jan 2010, at 11:25, Helen Sloan wrote: Hello This is my first post here and it's a call - sorry. I really enjoyed the Dark Mountain debate and the one that's emerging on Second Life so far. Meantime, I hope this is of interest and do contact if you want more info. Happy New Year Helen Helen Sloan SCAN CALL FOR SUBMISSIONS: Multichannel 3 Title: Variable Economies Variable Economies provides the theme for the programme of works for Multichannel 2010. The theme implies the current global economic downturn, decreased availability of resources influenced by human intervention in the natural environment, shifts in national and global political emphasis, and formally in relation to the making of artist film and video. For Multichannel 2010 artists are invited to submit works for selection that touch upon the themes of the programme in terms of the use of the medium/material of film and video. Multichannel is a screening programme of artists film and video, organised and curated by ArtSway and SCAN in ArtSway¹s galleries. The programme, which previously took place at ArtSway in 2007 and 2008, will once again feature both established practitioners, as well as ground breaking video works by artists from across the UK, and around the world. This year we are pleased to announce that Animate Projects will partner
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It was used without any description of a subject matter, I'm not a politician or economist merely an artist, on reading had no idea about what writer was referring to, I do not read dreadful daily papers or listen to office management language which the original statement was concerned with, spending as much time allowed me aside from basic human needs and desires, in my studio creating mostly digital imagery.Sensible an individual on this site linked a message to . I'm Singing ... on YouTube .. immediately understood idea behind administrative statement. On 7 Jan 2010, at 23:41, Simon Biggs wrote: It wasn’t Helen who used the term “socio-economic”, it was me. Why is that term difficult? It seems clear to me. It evokes those aspects of the social that are primarily to do with exchange; material and otherwise. I’d be interested to know why it might be a difficult term for some people to process, as it might help me tune my language in the future. I like to be precise. Simon Biggs Research Professor edinburgh college of art s.bi...@eca.ac.uk www.eca.ac.uk Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments CIRCLE research group www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ si...@littlepig.org.uk www.littlepig.org.uk AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk From: martin mitchell martinmitc...@mac.com Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 18:34:02 + To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January It's not the moving image event itself but the nonsensical language used to describe ideas you are looking for inside of those projected images onto a screen. How does one translate into another language part of dogmatic statements like 'running past', 'flag up' or 'socio economic' ! C.N.A.S. On 7 Jan 2010, at 18:14, Helen Sloan wrote: Martin and List Noone is censored in terms of submitting to this programme. It is open to all. I was merely suggesting that if the approach of the programme feels uncomfortable, it may not be the right one to be involved in. If anyone wishes to contact me about submitting work or any aspect of Multichannel, then please get in touch. Helen On 7/1/10 18:01, martin mitchell martinmitc...@mac.com wrote: Interesting animation on you tube 'puffing away'. Ok.. idea is perhaps to do with self destruction of planet earth by human beings that assume to be in control of their own destiny, a problem for self aware human beings to try and resolve through creative and artistic actions such as being a member of the crew on Sea Shepherd but that is method of confrontation, maybe I'll think about image content closer to home in the East End of London that might reflect destruction of living artists environment by construction of new Olympic Park. Please no more of this 'international socio-economic events language ..! martin mitchell. Crispy Nails Animation Studio On 7 Jan 2010, at 17:11, james morris wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHoCd1pTJx4feature=PlayListp=5840AC014CA20F89playnext=1playnext_from=PLindex=56 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHoCd1pTJx4amp;feature=PlayListamp;p=5840AC014CA20F89amp;playnext=1amp;playnext_from=PLamp;index=56 :) On 7/1/2010, Simon Biggs s.bi...@eca.ac.uk wrote: Seems clear to me. They want some video art that engages current international socio-economic events to put in an exhibition. Simon Biggs Research Professor edinburgh college of art s.bi...@eca.ac.uk www.eca.ac.uk http://www.eca.ac.uk Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments CIRCLE research group www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ http://www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ si...@littlepig.org.uk www.littlepig.org.uk http://www.littlepig.org.uk AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk From: martin mitchell martinmitc...@mac.com Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 15:50:15 + To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel Variable Economies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January Is this another example of administrative gobbledegook ...! Have no idear of what you are trying to describe. martin mitchell [ artist ]. On 7 Jan 2010, at 11:25, Helen Sloan wrote: Hello This is my first post here and it's a call - sorry. I really enjoyed the Dark Mountain debate and the one that's emerging on Second Life so far. Meantime, I hope this is of interest and do contact if you want more info. Happy New Year Helen Helen Sloan SCAN CALL FOR SUBMISSIONS: Multichannel 3 Title: Variable
Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January
You need to get out more... Simon Biggs Research Professor edinburgh college of art s.bi...@eca.ac.uk www.eca.ac.uk Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments CIRCLE research group www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ si...@littlepig.org.uk www.littlepig.org.uk AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk From: martin mitchell martinmitc...@mac.com Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 23:55:00 + To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January It was used without any description of a subject matter, I'm not a politician or economist merely an artist, on reading had no idea about what writer was referring to, I do not read dreadful daily papers or listen to office management language which the original statement was concerned with, spending as much time allowed me aside from basic human needs and desires, in my studio creating mostly digital imagery.Sensible an individual on this site linked a message to . I'm Singing ... on YouTube .. immediately understood idea behind administrative statement. On 7 Jan 2010, at 23:41, Simon Biggs wrote: It wasn¹t Helen who used the term ³socio-economic², it was me. Why is that term difficult? It seems clear to me. It evokes those aspects of the social that are primarily to do with exchange; material and otherwise. I¹d be interested to know why it might be a difficult term for some people to process, as it might help me tune my language in the future. I like to be precise. Simon Biggs Research Professor edinburgh college of art s.bi...@eca.ac.uk www.eca.ac.uk Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments CIRCLE research group www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ si...@littlepig.org.uk x-msg://96/si...@littlepig.org.uk www.littlepig.org.uk http://www.littlepig.org.uk AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk From: martin mitchell martinmitc...@mac.com x-msg://96/martinmitc...@mac.com Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org x-msg://96/netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 18:34:02 + To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org x-msg://96/netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January It's not the moving image event itself but the nonsensical language used to describe ideas you are looking for inside of those projected images onto a screen. How does one translate into another language part of dogmatic statements like 'running past', 'flag up' or 'socio economic' ! C.N.A.S. On 7 Jan 2010, at 18:14, Helen Sloan wrote: Martin and List Noone is censored in terms of submitting to this programme. It is open to all. I was merely suggesting that if the approach of the programme feels uncomfortable, it may not be the right one to be involved in. If anyone wishes to contact me about submitting work or any aspect of Multichannel, then please get in touch. Helen On 7/1/10 18:01, martin mitchell martinmitc...@mac.com x-msg://96/martinmitc...@mac.com wrote: Interesting animation on you tube 'puffing away'. Ok.. idea is perhaps to do with self destruction of planet earth by human beings that assume to be in control of their own destiny, a problem for self aware human beings to try and resolve through creative and artistic actions such as being a member of the crew on Sea Shepherd but that is method of confrontation, maybe I'll think about image content closer to home in the East End of London that might reflect destruction of living artists environment by construction of new Olympic Park. Please no more of this 'international socio-economic events language ..! martin mitchell. Crispy Nails Animation Studio On 7 Jan 2010, at 17:11, james morris wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHoCd1pTJx4feature=PlayListp=5840AC014CA20 F89playnext=1playnext_from=PLindex=56 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHoCd1pTJx4amp;feature=PlayListamp;p=5840 AC014CA20F89amp;playnext=1amp;playnext_from=PLamp;index=56 :) On 7/1/2010, Simon Biggs s.bi...@eca.ac.uk x-msg://96/s.bi...@eca.ac.uk wrote: Seems clear to me. They want some video art that engages current international socio-economic events to put in an exhibition. Simon Biggs Research Professor edinburgh college of art s.bi...@eca.ac.uk x-msg://96/s.bi...@eca.ac.uk www.eca.ac.uk http://www.eca.ac.uk http://www.eca.ac.uk http://www.eca.ac.uk/ Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments CIRCLE research group www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ http://www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ http://www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ si...@littlepig.org.uk x-msg://96/si
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Is this an academic statement:-You need to get out more... Spent 7 hours today walking along Lea Valley making digital images of snow and ice effects .. On 7 Jan 2010, at 23:57, Simon Biggs wrote: You need to get out more... Simon Biggs Research Professor edinburgh college of art s.bi...@eca.ac.uk www.eca.ac.uk Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments CIRCLE research group www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ si...@littlepig.org.uk www.littlepig.org.uk AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk From: martin mitchell martinmitc...@mac.com Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 23:55:00 + To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January It was used without any description of a subject matter, I'm not a politician or economist merely an artist, on reading had no idea about what writer was referring to, I do not read dreadful daily papers or listen to office management language which the original statement was concerned with, spending as much time allowed me aside from basic human needs and desires, in my studio creating mostly digital imagery.Sensible an individual on this site linked a message to . I'm Singing ... on YouTube .. immediately understood idea behind administrative statement. On 7 Jan 2010, at 23:41, Simon Biggs wrote: It wasn’t Helen who used the term “socio-economic”, it was me. Why is that term difficult? It seems clear to me. It evokes those aspects of the social that are primarily to do with exchange; material and otherwise. I’d be interested to know why it might be a difficult term for some people to process, as it might help me tune my language in the future. I like to be precise. Simon Biggs Research Professor edinburgh college of art s.bi...@eca.ac.uk www.eca.ac.uk Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments CIRCLE research group www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ si...@littlepig.org.uk x-msg://96/si...@littlepig.org.uk www.littlepig.org.uk http://www.littlepig.org.uk AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk From: martin mitchell martinmitc...@mac.com x-msg://96/martinmitc...@mac.com Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org x-msg://96/netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 18:34:02 + To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org x-msg://96/netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January It's not the moving image event itself but the nonsensical language used to describe ideas you are looking for inside of those projected images onto a screen. How does one translate into another language part of dogmatic statements like 'running past', 'flag up' or 'socio economic' ! C.N.A.S. On 7 Jan 2010, at 18:14, Helen Sloan wrote: Martin and List Noone is censored in terms of submitting to this programme. It is open to all. I was merely suggesting that if the approach of the programme feels uncomfortable, it may not be the right one to be involved in. If anyone wishes to contact me about submitting work or any aspect of Multichannel, then please get in touch. Helen On 7/1/10 18:01, martin mitchell martinmitc...@mac.com x-msg://96/martinmitc...@mac.com wrote: Interesting animation on you tube 'puffing away'. Ok.. idea is perhaps to do with self destruction of planet earth by human beings that assume to be in control of their own destiny, a problem for self aware human beings to try and resolve through creative and artistic actions such as being a member of the crew on Sea Shepherd but that is method of confrontation, maybe I'll think about image content closer to home in the East End of London that might reflect destruction of living artists environment by construction of new Olympic Park. Please no more of this 'international socio-economic events language ..! martin mitchell. Crispy Nails Animation Studio On 7 Jan 2010, at 17:11, james morris wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHoCd1pTJx4feature=PlayListp=5840AC014CA20F89playnext=1playnext_from=PLindex=56 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHoCd1pTJx4amp;feature=PlayListamp;p=5840AC014CA20F89amp;playnext=1amp;playnext_from=PLamp;index=56 :) On 7/1/2010, Simon Biggs s.bi...@eca.ac.uk x-msg://96/s.bi...@eca.ac.uk wrote: Seems clear to me. They want some video art that engages current international socio-economic events to put in an exhibition. Simon Biggs Research Professor edinburgh college of art s.bi...@eca.ac.uk x-msg://96/s.bi...@eca.ac.uk www.eca.ac.uk
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Forget it. I didn¹t mean going for a walk... Simon Biggs Research Professor edinburgh college of art s.bi...@eca.ac.uk www.eca.ac.uk Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments CIRCLE research group www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ si...@littlepig.org.uk www.littlepig.org.uk AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk From: martin mitchell martinmitc...@mac.com Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 00:03:50 + To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January Is this an academic statement:-You need to get out more... Spent 7 hours today walking along Lea Valley making digital images of snow and ice effects .. On 7 Jan 2010, at 23:57, Simon Biggs wrote: You need to get out more... Simon Biggs Research Professor edinburgh college of art s.bi...@eca.ac.uk www.eca.ac.uk Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments CIRCLE research group www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ si...@littlepig.org.uk x-msg://121/si...@littlepig.org.uk www.littlepig.org.uk http://www.littlepig.org.uk AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk From: martin mitchell martinmitc...@mac.com x-msg://121/martinmitc...@mac.com Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org x-msg://121/netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 23:55:00 + To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org x-msg://121/netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January It was used without any description of a subject matter, I'm not a politician or economist merely an artist, on reading had no idea about what writer was referring to, I do not read dreadful daily papers or listen to office management language which the original statement was concerned with, spending as much time allowed me aside from basic human needs and desires, in my studio creating mostly digital imagery.Sensible an individual on this site linked a message to . I'm Singing ... on YouTube .. immediately understood idea behind administrative statement. On 7 Jan 2010, at 23:41, Simon Biggs wrote: It wasn¹t Helen who used the term ³socio-economic², it was me. Why is that term difficult? It seems clear to me. It evokes those aspects of the social that are primarily to do with exchange; material and otherwise. I¹d be interested to know why it might be a difficult term for some people to process, as it might help me tune my language in the future. I like to be precise. Simon Biggs Research Professor edinburgh college of art s.bi...@eca.ac.uk www.eca.ac.uk Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments CIRCLE research group www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ si...@littlepig.org.uk x-msg://121/si...@littlepig.org.uk x-msg://96/si...@littlepig.org.uk x-msg://96/si...@littlepig.org.uk www.littlepig.org.uk http://www.littlepig.org.uk http://www.littlepig.org.uk http://www.littlepig.org.uk/ AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk From: martin mitchell martinmitc...@mac.com x-msg://121/martinmitc...@mac.com x-msg://96/martinmitc...@mac.com x-msg://96/martinmitc...@mac.com Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org x-msg://121/netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org x-msg://96/netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org x-msg://96/netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 18:34:02 + To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org x-msg://121/netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org x-msg://96/netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org x-msg://96/netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January It's not the moving image event itself but the nonsensical language used to describe ideas you are looking for inside of those projected images onto a screen. How does one translate into another language part of dogmatic statements like 'running past', 'flag up' or 'socio economic' ! C.N.A.S. On 7 Jan 2010, at 18:14, Helen Sloan wrote: Martin and List Noone is censored in terms of submitting to this programme. It is open to all. I was merely suggesting that if the approach of the programme feels uncomfortable, it may not be the right one to be involved in. If anyone wishes to contact me about submitting work or any aspect of Multichannel, then please get in touch. Helen On 7/1/10 18:01, martin mitchell martinmitc...@mac.com x-msg://121/martinmitc...@mac.com x-msg://96/martinmitc...@mac.com x-msg://96/martinmitc...@mac.com wrote: Interesting animation on you tube 'puffing away'. Ok
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Another dualistic statement. :( Simon Biggs Research Professor edinburgh college of art s.bi...@eca.ac.uk www.eca.ac.uk Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments CIRCLE research group www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ si...@littlepig.org.uk www.littlepig.org.uk AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk From: martin mitchell martinmitc...@mac.com Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 23:59:44 + To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January Artists who teach in art colleges unfortunately seem to become academics. An individual is either an artist or an academic. On 7 Jan 2010, at 23:54, Simon Biggs wrote: Most people on this list are artists, including myself. Any academic roles we have are a result of what we have done as artists, not academics. That is part of socio-economics... Simon Biggs Research Professor edinburgh college of art s.bi...@eca.ac.uk www.eca.ac.uk Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments CIRCLE research group www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ si...@littlepig.org.uk x-msg://114/si...@littlepig.org.uk www.littlepig.org.uk http://www.littlepig.org.uk AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk From: martin mitchell martinmitc...@mac.com x-msg://114/martinmitc...@mac.com Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org x-msg://114/netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 23:39:14 + To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org x-msg://114/netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January WHOW..No the complete opposite I'm an artist and not an academic. On 7 Jan 2010, at 23:28, Simon Biggs wrote: You don¹t like art? Simon Biggs Research Professor edinburgh college of art s.bi...@eca.ac.uk www.eca.ac.uk Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments CIRCLE research group www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ si...@littlepig.org.uk x-msg://114/si...@littlepig.org.uk x-msg://79/si...@littlepig.org.uk x-msg://79/si...@littlepig.org.uk www.littlepig.org.uk http://www.littlepig.org.uk http://www.littlepig.org.uk http://www.littlepig.org.uk/ AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk From: martin mitchell martinmitc...@mac.com x-msg://114/martinmitc...@mac.com x-msg://79/martinmitc...@mac.com x-msg://79/martinmitc...@mac.com Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org x-msg://114/netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org x-msg://79/netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org x-msg://79/netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 17:42:10 + To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org x-msg://114/netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org x-msg://79/netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org x-msg://79/netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January Have no idea what this means .. They want some video art that engages current international socio-economic events to put in an exhibition. Common sense tells us it's meaningless. Just cannot write anymore... this is embarrassing nonsense. martin mitchell. On 7 Jan 2010, at 17:11, james morris wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHoCd1pTJx4feature=PlayListp=5840AC014CA20F 89playnext=1playnext_from=PLindex=56 :) On 7/1/2010, Simon Biggs s.bi...@eca.ac.uk x-msg://114/s.bi...@eca.ac.uk x-msg://79/s.bi...@eca.ac.uk x-msg://79/s.bi...@eca.ac.uk wrote: Seems clear to me. They want some video art that engages current international socio-economic events to put in an exhibition. Simon Biggs Research Professor edinburgh college of art s.bi...@eca.ac.uk x-msg://114/s.bi...@eca.ac.uk x-msg://79/s.bi...@eca.ac.uk x-msg://79/s.bi...@eca.ac.uk www.eca.ac.uk http://www.eca.ac.uk http://www.eca.ac.uk http://www.eca.ac.uk/ Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments CIRCLE research group www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ http://www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ http://www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ si...@littlepig.org.uk x-msg://114/si...@littlepig.org.uk x-msg://79/si...@littlepig.org.uk x-msg://79/si...@littlepig.org.uk www.littlepig.org.uk http://www.littlepig.org.uk http://www.littlepig.org.uk http://www.littlepig.org.uk/ AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk From: martin mitchell martinmitc...@mac.com x-msg://114/martinmitc...@mac.com x-msg://79/martinmitc...@mac.com x-msg://79/martinmitc...@mac.com Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org x-msg://114
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What do you mean .? On 8 Jan 2010, at 00:07, Simon Biggs wrote: Forget it. I didn’t mean going for a walk... Simon Biggs Research Professor edinburgh college of art s.bi...@eca.ac.uk www.eca.ac.uk Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments CIRCLE research group www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ si...@littlepig.org.uk www.littlepig.org.uk AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk From: martin mitchell martinmitc...@mac.com Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 00:03:50 + To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January Is this an academic statement:-You need to get out more... Spent 7 hours today walking along Lea Valley making digital images of snow and ice effects .. On 7 Jan 2010, at 23:57, Simon Biggs wrote: You need to get out more... Simon Biggs Research Professor edinburgh college of art s.bi...@eca.ac.uk www.eca.ac.uk Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments CIRCLE research group www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ si...@littlepig.org.uk x-msg://121/si...@littlepig.org.uk www.littlepig.org.uk http://www.littlepig.org.uk AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk From: martin mitchell martinmitc...@mac.com x-msg://121/martinmitc...@mac.com Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org x-msg://121/netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 23:55:00 + To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org x-msg://121/netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January It was used without any description of a subject matter, I'm not a politician or economist merely an artist, on reading had no idea about what writer was referring to, I do not read dreadful daily papers or listen to office management language which the original statement was concerned with, spending as much time allowed me aside from basic human needs and desires, in my studio creating mostly digital imagery.Sensible an individual on this site linked a message to . I'm Singing ... on YouTube .. immediately understood idea behind administrative statement. On 7 Jan 2010, at 23:41, Simon Biggs wrote: It wasn’t Helen who used the term “socio-economic”, it was me. Why is that term difficult? It seems clear to me. It evokes those aspects of the social that are primarily to do with exchange; material and otherwise. I’d be interested to know why it might be a difficult term for some people to process, as it might help me tune my language in the future. I like to be precise. Simon Biggs Research Professor edinburgh college of art s.bi...@eca.ac.uk www.eca.ac.uk Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments CIRCLE research group www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ si...@littlepig.org.uk x-msg://121/si...@littlepig.org.uk x-msg://96/si...@littlepig.org.uk x-msg://96/si...@littlepig.org.uk www.littlepig.org.uk http://www.littlepig.org.uk http://www.littlepig.org.uk http://www.littlepig.org.uk/ AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk From: martin mitchell martinmitc...@mac.com x-msg://121/martinmitc...@mac.com x-msg://96/martinmitc...@mac.com x-msg://96/martinmitc...@mac.com Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org x-msg://121/netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org x-msg://96/netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org x-msg://96/netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 18:34:02 + To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org x-msg://121/netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org x-msg://96/netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org x-msg://96/netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January It's not the moving image event itself but the nonsensical language used to describe ideas you are looking for inside of those projected images onto a screen. How does one translate into another language part of dogmatic statements like 'running past', 'flag up' or 'socio economic' ! C.N.A.S. On 7 Jan 2010, at 18:14, Helen Sloan wrote: Martin and List Noone is censored in terms of submitting to this programme. It is open to all. I was merely suggesting that if the approach of the programme feels uncomfortable, it may not be the right one to be involved in. If anyone wishes to contact me about submitting work or any aspect of Multichannel, then please get in touch. Helen On 7/1/10 18:01, martin mitchell martinmitc...@mac.com x-msg://121/martinmitc
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jesus, mart, you are narrow as a sparrow. its safe to say simon is an artist, an academic, a human, a descendent of biggs and more.. and this is said without even really knowing the man.. 'a man is either and artist or an academic.' what an absurd and dangerous idea. get rid of all those boxes in your head. life is easier than you think. On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 7:03 PM, martin mitchell martinmitc...@mac.comwrote: Is this an academic statement:-You need to get out more... Spent 7 hours today walking along Lea Valley making digital images of snow and ice effects .. On 7 Jan 2010, at 23:57, Simon Biggs wrote: You need to get out more... Simon Biggs Research Professor edinburgh college of art s.bi...@eca.ac.uk www.eca.ac.uk *C*reative *I*nterdisciplinary *R*esearch into *C*o*L*laborative *E* nvironments CIRCLE research group www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ si...@littlepig.org.uk www.littlepig.org.uk AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk -- *From: *martin mitchell martinmitc...@mac.com *Reply-To: *NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org *Date: *Thu, 07 Jan 2010 23:55:00 + *To: *NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org *Subject: *Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January It was used without any description of a subject matter, I'm not a politician or economist merely an artist, on reading had no idea about what writer was referring to, I do not read dreadful daily papers or listen to office management language which the original statement was concerned with, spending as much time allowed me aside from basic human needs and desires, in my studio creating mostly digital imagery.Sensible an individual on this site linked a message to . I'm Singing ... on YouTube .. immediately understood idea behind administrative statement. On 7 Jan 2010, at 23:41, Simon Biggs wrote: It wasn’t Helen who used the term “socio-economic”, it was me. Why is that term difficult? It seems clear to me. It evokes those aspects of the social that are primarily to do with exchange; material and otherwise. I’d be interested to know why it might be a difficult term for some people to process, as it might help me tune my language in the future. I like to be precise. Simon Biggs Research Professor edinburgh college of art s.bi...@eca.ac.uk www.eca.ac.uk *C*reative *I*nterdisciplinary *R*esearch into *C*o*L*laborative *E* nvironments CIRCLE research group www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ si...@littlepig.org.uk x-msg://96/si...@littlepig.org.uk www.littlepig.org.uk http://www.littlepig.org.uk AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk -- *From: *martin mitchell martinmitc...@mac.com x-msg: //96/martinmitc...@mac.com *Reply-To: *NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org x-msg://96/netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org *Date: *Thu, 07 Jan 2010 18:34:02 + *To: *NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org x-msg://96/netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org *Subject: *Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January It's not the moving image event itself but the nonsensical language used to describe ideas you are looking for inside of those projected images onto a screen. How does one translate into another language part of dogmatic statements like 'running past', 'flag up' or 'socio economic' ! C.N.A.S. On 7 Jan 2010, at 18:14, Helen Sloan wrote: Martin and List Noone is censored in terms of submitting to this programme. It is open to all. I was merely suggesting that if the approach of the programme feels uncomfortable, it may not be the right one to be involved in. If anyone wishes to contact me about submitting work or any aspect of Multichannel, then please get in touch. Helen On 7/1/10 18:01, martin mitchell martinmitc...@mac.com x-msg: //96/martinmitc...@mac.com wrote: Interesting animation on you tube 'puffing away'. Ok.. idea is perhaps to do with self destruction of planet earth by human beings that assume to be in control of their own destiny, a problem for self aware human beings to try and resolve through creative and artistic actions such as being a member of the crew on Sea Shepherd but that is method of confrontation, maybe I'll think about image content closer to home in the East End of London that might reflect destruction of living artists environment by construction of new Olympic Park. Please no more of this 'international socio-economic events language ..! martin mitchell. Crispy Nails Animation Studio On 7 Jan 2010, at 17:11, james morris wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHoCd1pTJx4feature=PlayListp=5840AC014CA20F89playnext=1playnext_from=PLindex=56 http
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er .. yes that is obvious. On 8 Jan 2010, at 00:08, Simon Biggs wrote: Another dualistic statement. :( Simon Biggs Research Professor edinburgh college of art s.bi...@eca.ac.uk www.eca.ac.uk Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments CIRCLE research group www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ si...@littlepig.org.uk www.littlepig.org.uk AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk From: martin mitchell martinmitc...@mac.com Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 23:59:44 + To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January Artists who teach in art colleges unfortunately seem to become academics. An individual is either an artist or an academic. On 7 Jan 2010, at 23:54, Simon Biggs wrote: Most people on this list are artists, including myself. Any academic roles we have are a result of what we have done as artists, not academics. That is part of socio-economics... Simon Biggs Research Professor edinburgh college of art s.bi...@eca.ac.uk www.eca.ac.uk Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments CIRCLE research group www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ si...@littlepig.org.uk x-msg://114/si...@littlepig.org.uk www.littlepig.org.uk http://www.littlepig.org.uk AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk From: martin mitchell martinmitc...@mac.com x-msg://114/martinmitc...@mac.com Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org x-msg://114/netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 23:39:14 + To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org x-msg://114/netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January WHOW..No the complete opposite I'm an artist and not an academic. On 7 Jan 2010, at 23:28, Simon Biggs wrote: You don’t like art? Simon Biggs Research Professor edinburgh college of art s.bi...@eca.ac.uk www.eca.ac.uk Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments CIRCLE research group www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ si...@littlepig.org.uk x-msg://114/si...@littlepig.org.uk x-msg://79/si...@littlepig.org.uk x-msg://79/si...@littlepig.org.uk www.littlepig.org.uk http://www.littlepig.org.uk http://www.littlepig.org.uk http://www.littlepig.org.uk/ AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk From: martin mitchell martinmitc...@mac.com x-msg://114/martinmitc...@mac.com x-msg://79/martinmitc...@mac.com x-msg://79/martinmitc...@mac.com Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org x-msg://114/netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org x-msg://79/netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org x-msg://79/netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 17:42:10 + To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org x-msg://114/netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org x-msg://79/netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org x-msg://79/netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January Have no idea what this means .. They want some video art that engages current international socio-economic events to put in an exhibition. Common sense tells us it's meaningless. Just cannot write anymore... this is embarrassing nonsense. martin mitchell. On 7 Jan 2010, at 17:11, james morris wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHoCd1pTJx4feature=PlayListp=5840AC014CA20F89playnext=1playnext_from=PLindex=56 :) On 7/1/2010, Simon Biggs s.bi...@eca.ac.uk x-msg://114/s.bi...@eca.ac.uk x-msg://79/s.bi...@eca.ac.uk x-msg://79/s.bi...@eca.ac.uk wrote: Seems clear to me. They want some video art that engages current international socio-economic events to put in an exhibition. Simon Biggs Research Professor edinburgh college of art s.bi...@eca.ac.uk x-msg://114/s.bi...@eca.ac.uk x-msg://79/s.bi...@eca.ac.uk x-msg://79/s.bi...@eca.ac.uk www.eca.ac.uk http://www.eca.ac.uk http://www.eca.ac.uk http://www.eca.ac.uk/ Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments CIRCLE research group www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ http://www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ http://www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ si...@littlepig.org.uk x-msg://114/si...@littlepig.org.uk x-msg://79/si...@littlepig.org.uk x-msg://79/si...@littlepig.org.uk www.littlepig.org.uk http://www.littlepig.org.uk http://www.littlepig.org.uk http://www.littlepig.org.uk/ AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk From: martin mitchell martinmitc...@mac.com x-msg://114/martinmitc...@mac.com x-msg://79/martinmitc
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How odd surely being a part of academia, management systems or a bird sitting on a fence is part of a closeted environment. On 8 Jan 2010, at 00:12, brian gibson wrote: jesus, mart, you are narrow as a sparrow. its safe to say simon is an artist, an academic, a human, a descendent of biggs and more.. and this is said without even really knowing the man.. 'a man is either and artist or an academic.' what an absurd and dangerous idea. get rid of all those boxes in your head. life is easier than you think. On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 7:03 PM, martin mitchell martinmitc...@mac.com wrote: Is this an academic statement:-You need to get out more... Spent 7 hours today walking along Lea Valley making digital images of snow and ice effects .. On 7 Jan 2010, at 23:57, Simon Biggs wrote: You need to get out more... Simon Biggs Research Professor edinburgh college of art s.bi...@eca.ac.uk www.eca.ac.uk Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments CIRCLE research group www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ si...@littlepig.org.uk www.littlepig.org.uk AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk From: martin mitchell martinmitc...@mac.com Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 23:55:00 + To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January It was used without any description of a subject matter, I'm not a politician or economist merely an artist, on reading had no idea about what writer was referring to, I do not read dreadful daily papers or listen to office management language which the original statement was concerned with, spending as much time allowed me aside from basic human needs and desires, in my studio creating mostly digital imagery.Sensible an individual on this site linked a message to . I'm Singing ... on YouTube .. immediately understood idea behind administrative statement. On 7 Jan 2010, at 23:41, Simon Biggs wrote: It wasn’t Helen who used the term “socio-economic”, it was me. Why is that term difficult? It seems clear to me. It evokes those aspects of the social that are primarily to do with exchange; material and otherwise. I’d be interested to know why it might be a difficult term for some people to process, as it might help me tune my language in the future. I like to be precise. Simon Biggs Research Professor edinburgh college of art s.bi...@eca.ac.uk www.eca.ac.uk Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments CIRCLE research group www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ si...@littlepig.org.uk x-msg://96/si...@littlepig.org.uk www.littlepig.org.uk http://www.littlepig.org.uk AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk From: martin mitchell martinmitc...@mac.com x-msg://96/martinmitc...@mac.com Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org x-msg://96/netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 18:34:02 + To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org x-msg://96/netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January It's not the moving image event itself but the nonsensical language used to describe ideas you are looking for inside of those projected images onto a screen. How does one translate into another language part of dogmatic statements like 'running past', 'flag up' or 'socio economic' ! C.N.A.S. On 7 Jan 2010, at 18:14, Helen Sloan wrote: Martin and List Noone is censored in terms of submitting to this programme. It is open to all. I was merely suggesting that if the approach of the programme feels uncomfortable, it may not be the right one to be involved in. If anyone wishes to contact me about submitting work or any aspect of Multichannel, then please get in touch. Helen On 7/1/10 18:01, martin mitchell martinmitc...@mac.com x-msg://96/martinmitc...@mac.com wrote: Interesting animation on you tube 'puffing away'. Ok.. idea is perhaps to do with self destruction of planet earth by human beings that assume to be in control of their own destiny, a problem for self aware human beings to try and resolve through creative and artistic actions such as being a member of the crew on Sea Shepherd but that is method of confrontation, maybe I'll think about image content closer to home in the East End of London that might reflect destruction of living artists environment by construction of new Olympic Park. Please no more of this 'international socio-economic events language ..! martin mitchell. Crispy Nails Animation Studio On 7 Jan 2010, at 17:11
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Good grief this is an incredibly weird topic, it was just a call for submissions, we understood it! Now it's probably the most commented on topic on Netbehaviour! Sure is behaviour! Count me in!? == email archive: http://sondheim.rupamsunyata.org/ webpage http://www.alansondheim.org sondheimat gmail.com, panix.com == ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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Wow Martin, I am wondering if you are a real person. To presume that just because people teach at a Universities that, they are not as good as artists who do not teach, is a myopic point of view. And of course, you are welcome to it, you really are ;-) Wishing all liberated minds well...Stuart er .. yes that is obvious. On 8 Jan 2010, at 00:08, Simon Biggs wrote: Another dualistic statement. Simon Biggs Research Professor edinburgh college of art s.biggs@eca.ac.uk www.eca.ac.uk Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments CIRCLE research group www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ si...@littlepig.org.uk www.littlepig.org.uk AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk From: martin mitchell martinmitc...@mac.com Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 23:59:44 + To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January Artists who teach in art colleges unfortunately seem to become academics. An individual is either an artist or an academic. On 7 Jan 2010, at 23:54, Simon Biggs wrote: Most people on this list are artists, including myself. Any academic roles we have are a result of what we have done as artists, not academics. That is part of socio-economics... Simon Biggs Research Professor edinburgh college of art s.biggs@eca.ac.uk www.eca.ac.uk Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments CIRCLE research group www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ si...@littlepig.org.uk x-msg://114/si...@littlepig.org.uk www.littlepig.org.uk http://www.littlepig.org.uk AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk From: martin mitchell martinmitc...@mac.com x-msg://114/martinmitc...@mac.com Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org x-msg://114/netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 23:39:14 + To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org x-msg://114/netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January WHOW..No the complete opposite I'm an artist and not an academic. On 7 Jan 2010, at 23:28, Simon Biggs wrote: You don’t like art? Simon Biggs Research Professor edinburgh college of art s.biggs@eca.ac.uk www.eca.ac.uk Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments CIRCLE research group www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ si...@littlepig.org.uk x-msg://114/si...@littlepig.org.uk x-msg://79/si...@littlepig.org.uk x-msg://79/si...@littlepig.org.uk www.littlepig.org.uk http://www.littlepig.org.uk http://www.littlepig.org.uk http://www.littlepig.org.uk/ AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk From: martin mitchell martinmitc...@mac.com x-msg://114/martinmitc...@mac.com x-msg://79/martinmitc...@mac.com x-msg://79/martinmitc...@mac.com Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org x-msg://114/netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org x-msg://79/netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org x-msg://79/netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 17:42:10 + To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org x-msg://114/netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org x-msg://79/netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org x-msg://79/netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January Have no idea what this means .. "They want some video art that engages current international socio-economic events to put in an exhibition". Common sense tells us it's meaningless. Just cannot write anymore... this is embarrassing nonsense. martin mitchell. On 7 Jan 2010, at 17:11, james morris wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHoCd1pTJx4feature=PlayListp=5840AC014CA20F89playnext=1playnext_from=PLindex=56 On 7/1/2010, "Simon Biggs" s.bi...@eca.ac.uk x-msg://114/s.bi...@eca.ac.uk x-msg://79/s.bi...@eca.ac.uk x-msg://79/s.bi...@eca.ac.uk wrote: Seems clear to me. They want some video art that engages current international socio-economic events to put in an exhibition. Simon Biggs Research Professor edinburgh college of art s.bi...@eca.ac.uk x-msg://114/s.bi...@eca.ac.uk x-msg://79/s.bi...@eca.ac.uk x-msg://79/s.bi...@eca.ac.uk www.eca.ac.uk http://www.eca.ac.uk http://www.eca.ac.uk http://www.eca.ac.uk/ Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments CIRCLE research group www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ http://www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ http://www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ si...@littlepig.org.uk x-msg://114/si...@littlepig.
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Hi Alan all, From the amazing discussion about via Second Life, to this now. It proves how varied this list really is... Stuart. Good grief this is an incredibly weird topic, it was just a call for submissions, we understood it! Now it's probably the most commented on topic on Netbehaviour! Sure is behaviour! Count me in!? == email archive: http://sondheim.rupamsunyata.org/ webpage http://www.alansondheim.org sondheimat gmail.com, panix.com == ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
