Re: Request for permission to use the OOo Trademark (was: Teams and Leads)
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 7:48 AM, Sam Ruby wrote: > Reposting with a new subject line, and copying the appropriate > trademark's mailing list. > > The relevant policy can be found here: > > http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/ > Early in the morning here... but just to add further information to what Ian already said. The trademark was approved and is already a working group project within the OpenOffice.org Project at http://certification.openoffice.org the business model description is available at the certification wiki pages http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Certification Approved discussions were public and handled by the Community Counsil a few years ago. > > - Sam Ruby > > On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 7:52 AM, Ian Lynch wrote: > > On 16 June 2011 12:00, Sam Ruby wrote: > > > >> On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 6:47 AM, IngridvdM > >> wrote: > >> > > >> > I am really in favor of going without anyone being named leader or > >> manager > >> > or any name that could create the impression that this person has more > >> > rights than the others. Maybe we can choose 'contact' as a neutral > >> > description in case something turns out to be needed? Or is there even > a > >> > more neutral word? > >> > >> The only 'contact' that people need for this project is > >> ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org. > >> > >> If this list grows too large or too busy, then we can create > >> additional 'contacts' in the form of more mailing lists. > > > > > > OK, sounds sensible to try using what already exists until there is a > good > > reason not too :-) > > > > Let me test the system ;-) > > > > Alexandro Colorado and myself (both been involved with the OOo community > for > > years) have been negotiating with a large training company to provide a > > community backed certification for OOo but with a vector to potentially > 1500 > > centres. I previously sought and was granted permission by Oracle to use > the > > OOo branding on certificates. I guess we need community consensus here > now, > > to carry on with that. There is quite a long history to all this and I > > declare a financial interest. I set up a UK government accredited > awarding > > organisation (The Learning Machine Ltd) to enable a mechanism for funding > > FOSS and CC education development that was independent of licensing ie > the > > business model is QA so no problem licensing any supporting stuff freely. > > > > To get started required investment so the only way to do that was to set > up > > a for profit and sell shares. That together with EU grants has put well > over > > £1m of investment into this. We have had some successes such as schools > that > > started using our generic certification with MS products that have now > > switched to OOo. I can get the FOSS voice heard in influential government > > places. The strategy is in general to be product neutral but to use FOSS > for > > all exemplars and supporting materials. This gives us a channel to get > > closed source users at least in contact with FOSS so there is a clear > > marketing strategy. With OOo certification we can say eg the WP > certificate > > was achieved in the context of OOo Writer and put an OOo logo on the > > certificate. The assessment criteria are generic so we could do the same > > with LibO, Koffice etc. or indeed any FOSS software project, Inkscape, > Gimp, > > Audacity etc. WE could even do professional Apache qualifications if > there > > was a demand. Once we work out delivery costs (Its variable and depends > on > > volume) we give a kick back to community funds in return for using the > > branding. We have the infrastructure in place using a LAMP stack for > > assessment and certification and Drupal for community support with > dynamic > > links between the 2. Portal is at www.theingots.org. The acronym INGOT > is > > International Grades - Open Technologies. > > > > We are accredited by Ofqual the UK national exam regulators and endorsed > by > > the UK Sector Skills Council for Business and IT. All our qualifications > are > > referenced to the European Qualifications Framework. We have 2 EU > Transfer > > of innovation projects and we are monitored by all these so the community > > can have some confidence that we "know what we are doing". My background > is > > that I was a UK School Inspection Team leader and assessor of the > National > > Professional Qualification for Headteachers. > > > > So what I'm asking for is permission to use the OOo Trademark and general > > community support. > > > > Trying to keep this reasonably short so please feel free to ask any > > questions. > > > > -- > > Ian > > > > Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications (The Schools ITQ) > > > > www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940 > > > > The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, > > Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and > > Wales. > > > -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org
Re: Teams and Leads
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 9:01 AM, Rob Weir wrote: > On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 9:27 AM, RA Stehmann > wrote: > > I think we shouldn't invent the wheel twice ;-). > > > > The OpenOffice.org community has an more or less good working > > infrastructure of leads, contact persons, native lang communities, > > teams, mailing lists, websites etc.. > > > > IMO we should make an inventory, keep the usefull elements and drop the > > dated. And let persons, who undertake the task of doing something and > > who are elected by the OpenOffice.org community, doing their job forward. > > > > That makes sense to me. But I think this is less about "wearing > crowns" and more about "doing". We don't need to give someone the > title of "X Lead". But if someone steps up and starts doing X, and > does it well, works well in the project, and ensure that decisions > occur via consensus on the list, than that person will start taking on > the attributes of the de facto "X Lead". > This is me thinking out loud on a time I am normally thinking in silent (sleeping). But I also have been co/leading many projects within the OpenOffice.org community including BizDev, Education, Certification, and Spanish community as well as being LATAM Marcon and contribute to many other projects like DBA, XML, and Extensions. I have also participate and contribute to other FLOSS communities like KDE and Mozilla with their own processes. I've seen places where these leadership role helps the project advance and places where there actually becomes a hurdle in advancing the community. I have heard arguments saying that OOo leadership is clutter by non-developer members for years now. Making some technical needs advance very slow, and others like press releases and OOo events much faster. That said, every region of OOo had their own structure, their mini-marketing plans for ES or Education, and others a spare but interesting talks like XML or DBA. Again no conclusion just random thoughts about the topic. > > We have a request entered with Apache Infrastructure for a wiki to > help us with your second point. Once we have the wiki it should be > possible to map out a inventory or "site map" of the existing > OpenOffice.org web site. So maybe a big table listing each of the > subsites or services on OpenOffice.org, along with columns for > "migrate/archive/trash", "priority" and "volunteer". Something like > that. > > -Rob > -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org
Re: "Some of our contributors" page
On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 10:59 AM, Greg Stein wrote: > On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 11:28, Dave Fisher wrote: > > On Jun 18, 2011, at 8:02 AM, Rob Weir wrote: > >> As was noted, we now have a basic web site set up for the project: > >> > >> http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/ > >> > >> I'd like to draw attention to the "Some of our contributors" page in > >> particular: > >> > >> http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/people.html > >> > >> From what I can tell, the intent of this page is to acknowledge > contributors > >> to the project. And my sense was that this meant more than just > committers. > >> > >> I added my own name, based on my contribution to getting the initial web > >> site started. But I think this is probably worth having a discussion > on, > >> especially since others, whose name has not been added, have also made > >> recent contributions. > >> > >> Question: How should this page be managed? Is there an Apache > requirement > >> for how this is handled? Or does each project set its own rules? If > the > >> later, what rules do we want? Do we want this to be comprehensive? Or > >> highlight only the "top contributors", by some definition. > >> > >> Personally, I'd favor acknowledging many, rather than few. > > > > Most projects (all?) have a roster of the PMC and committers. > > > > http://tomcat.apache.org/whoweare.html > > http://poi.apache.org/who.html > > http://pdfbox.apache.org/team-list.html > > http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/team.html > > http://httpd.apache.org/contributors/ > > > > The HTTPD Server project has Major Contributors as well with a big thank > you to Rob McCool. > > > > I really think that the OOo should follow a pattern like these. The HTTPD > roster includes greater detail. This might be good. > > Ha!! That thing is *soo* out of date, it isn't even funny. In > short, it is totally unmaintained. I dunno that you want to use that > as a reference :-P > > To answer Rob's question: it is an issue for each project to decide. > > Apache Subversion doesn't have a "people" page. We consider it a team > thing, rather than about individuals. People get their recognition via > commit logs :-P ... Is the project about doing great work, or about > getting your name in lights? > Sometimes both sometime one or the other. The answers vary greatly in my experience. > > Cheers, > -g > -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org
Re: "Some of our contributors" page
On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 11:07 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: > > > On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 10:59 AM, Greg Stein wrote: > >> On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 11:28, Dave Fisher wrote: >> > On Jun 18, 2011, at 8:02 AM, Rob Weir wrote: >> >> As was noted, we now have a basic web site set up for the project: >> >> >> >> http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/ >> >> >> >> I'd like to draw attention to the "Some of our contributors" page in >> >> particular: >> >> >> >> http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/people.html >> >> >> >> From what I can tell, the intent of this page is to acknowledge >> contributors >> >> to the project. And my sense was that this meant more than just >> committers. >> >> >> >> I added my own name, based on my contribution to getting the initial >> web >> >> site started. But I think this is probably worth having a discussion >> on, >> >> especially since others, whose name has not been added, have also made >> >> recent contributions. >> >> >> >> Question: How should this page be managed? Is there an Apache >> requirement >> >> for how this is handled? Or does each project set its own rules? If >> the >> >> later, what rules do we want? Do we want this to be comprehensive? Or >> >> highlight only the "top contributors", by some definition. >> >> >> >> Personally, I'd favor acknowledging many, rather than few. >> > >> > Most projects (all?) have a roster of the PMC and committers. >> > >> > http://tomcat.apache.org/whoweare.html >> > http://poi.apache.org/who.html >> > http://pdfbox.apache.org/team-list.html >> > http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/team.html >> > http://httpd.apache.org/contributors/ >> > >> > The HTTPD Server project has Major Contributors as well with a big thank >> you to Rob McCool. >> > >> > I really think that the OOo should follow a pattern like these. The >> HTTPD roster includes greater detail. This might be good. >> >> Ha!! That thing is *soo* out of date, it isn't even funny. In >> short, it is totally unmaintained. I dunno that you want to use that >> as a reference :-P >> >> To answer Rob's question: it is an issue for each project to decide. >> >> Apache Subversion doesn't have a "people" page. We consider it a team >> thing, rather than about individuals. People get their recognition via >> commit logs :-P ... Is the project about doing great work, or about >> getting your name in lights? >> > > Sometimes both sometime one or the other. The answers vary greatly in my > experience. > Sorry sent too fast, so OOo has a lot of lights. Letting people and newcomers who is what is really important so that the newcomer is not frustrated looking the right people to either address an issue or contribute. Or other things like marketing and PR. That is why in OOo culture, there was/is a lot of public figures starting with community managers, marketing reps, and going through the different NLC representatives and technical leads. http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html or officials like Lead-CoLeads: http://xml.openoffice.org/ Even within a NLC you will have a people's page or membership pages: http://openoffice.org/projects/fr/members or here: http://es.openoffice.org/lecturas/lecturas_0017.html > > >> >> Cheers, >> -g >> > > -- > *Alexandro Colorado* > *OpenOffice.org* Español > http://es.openoffice.org > > -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org
Re: User facing web items - the Education sites
On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 12:16 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton < dennis.hamil...@acm.org> wrote: > I have a different question with regard to the links you provide. Where are > OOo4Kids, OOoLight.org, and EducOO.org hosted and who registered/leases the > domain names? I assume you are not suggesting that they be hosted under the > Apache project. > > Also, just for a reality check on other aspects of this discussion, were > you aware of the terms and conditions for use of the site when you used > wiki.services.openoffice.org? > Yes all the sites are not interconnected you can add to the list the extensions, templates, pootle, QUASTE, EIS, TCM, etc. http://quaste.services.openoffice.org/ http://www.sunvirtuallab.com:8001/tcm2/opensource/tcm_index.cgi?tcm_config=newooo http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/ http://templates.services.openoffice.org/ http://eis.services.openoffice.org/EIS2/ > > I have not seen any wiki pages that refer to the site-wide terms of use > (the current OpenOffice.org Wiki:Copyrights page does not), and I notice > that accounts on the wiki are independent of accounts at openoffice.org. > When I set up a wiki account, I was never led to the terms of use and was > only made aware of them by a link in a discussion here. > > I also notice that there is at least one contributor who does not believe > (or is unhappy that) they were giving a permissive license to their > contributions by default. > > - Dennis > > PS: I also see that wiki.ooo4kids.org pages, EducOO.org, and OOoLight wiki > pages are under CC-ShareAlike and that software for ooo4kids and OOoLight > are under LGPL3. Is this software covered by the Oracle contribution to > Apache or is it something else derived from the LGPL3 OpenOffice.org base? > Is something else derived from LGPL3 OOo base. > > -Original Message- > From: eric b [mailto:eric.bach...@free.fr] > Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 09:32 > To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org > Subject: Re: User facing web items > > Hi, > > > Le 18 juin 11 à 18:25, Andrea Pescetti a écrit : > > > > > I agree. It wouldn't make sense to lose the forums, that are a very > > important resource for end-users and one of the few resources that are > > still shared by OpenOffice.org and all derivatives (as the header > > says, they support OpenOffice.org, LibreOffice, StarOffice, and > > NeoOffice). > > > > > Can someone explain why OOo4Kids nor OOoLight are missing in this list ? > > > Thanks in advance :-) > > > Regards, > Eric Bachard > > -- > qɔᴉɹə > Education Project: > http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Education_Project > Projet OOo4Kids : http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/Main_Page > L'association EducOOo : http://www.educoo.org > Blog : http://eric.bachard.org/news > > > > > > > -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org
Re: Releasing OOo 3.4 on the old infrastructure
On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 5:23 AM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: > I understand that the necessary code reorganization in the Apache > project will forbid a public release for months. > > On the other hand, OpenOffice.org 3.4 beta has been out for several > weeks, is regarded by our QA testers as remarkably stable, has a > dedicated code line and it is not far from release. > > Would it be possible to release OOo 3.4 on the old (Oracle-owned) > infrastructure, and maybe take advantage of this release to educate > users and volunteers about the coming new infrastructure at Apache? > > This shouldn't require an exceptional effort and it would allow to show > that OpenOffice.org it in good shape and to use the momentum of a new > release to communicate better the transition to Apache. Otherwise we > really risk to confuse users and let them feel abandoned, and work on > the incubator in the next months could be less useful. > > It really seems a small effort compared to the major code refactoring > needed at Apache, and I believe Oracle can state that the bugfixes on > the OOo 3.4 code line will be granted to Apache too. And the benefits > for users and communication would be immense. > > Now, I take for granted that the community would support this proposal > (for one, the Italian community spent weeks to get the OOo 3.4 strings > 100% translated into Italian, and our QA team is ready to start full > testing any moment). Would developers and release managers support this > too? > > Regards, > Andrea. > > +1 I think this should be a go. I even publish the Beta version on the 'es' homepage so people have a quicker access to it. -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org
Re: Oh, let's not forget @openoffice.org too
On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 7:33 AM, Rob Weir wrote: > I'm having difficulty reconciling the openoffice.org email forwarding > service with how Apache projects work. > > Having such an address appears to suggest that the person is > representing the project,or at the very least is a member of the > project. But we speak as individuals, both in the project and > externally. If we're suggesting that we represent the project, then > that is incorrect. There are exceptions, as outlined in the "multiple > hats" description [1] , where a PMC Chair or other Apache officers > might need to speak authoritatively on policy matters. But that is > not the typical case. > > And remember, committers are given email forwards via an a.o email > address. So there is no functional requirement that I can see for an > OOo address, other than the conventional postmaster and admin > addresses. > > So I'd favor ending the OOo email forwarding. > > The alternative would be to continue this service, but that begs the > question of who is permitted such an address, what such an address > means, who decides and what criteria are used to decide who gets such > an address? That seems to duplicate the kinds of questions we already > deal with when we look at those individuals whose contributions to the > project merit being voted in as Committers, and getting an a.o email > address. > > -Rob > > > [1] http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#hats > > > > On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton > wrote: > > I am not certain this is identified as something to deal with. > > > > Along with the openoffice.org domain and whatever happens with that, > there is also the openoffice.org affinity e-mail forwarding operation. > > > > Is there anything in place to sustain that? > > > > Might it be interrupted or even retired at some point? > > (Not proposing, just want to ensure that someone has their eye on this.) > > > > - Dennis > > > > > The email is open to anyone signed in the OOo domain in collabnet. I will support the idea to keep it that way. There is no distinction on what level of commitment you have to the project. In practice, not many people use the OOo domain. I did and even as an active user, very few times I have been inquired on how to use it by fellow project members. So my idea Rob is, lets keep it like this without giving it too much overthought of abuse or anything. If there was ill intend it would have been spoted through the 10 years of OOo history. BTW the ES project actually use several @openoffice.org accounts for different initiatives through it. It has never really been an issue. -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org
Re: Oh, let's not forget @openoffice.org too
On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 9:04 AM, Dick Groskamp wrote: > Op 20-6-2011 14:33, Rob Weir schreef: > > I'm having difficulty reconciling the openoffice.org email forwarding >> service with how Apache projects work. >> >> Having such an address appears to suggest that the person is >> representing the project,or at the very least is a member of the >> project. But we speak as individuals, both in the project and >> externally. If we're suggesting that we represent the project, then >> that is incorrect. There are exceptions, as outlined in the "multiple >> hats" description [1] , where a PMC Chair or other Apache officers >> might need to speak authoritatively on policy matters. But that is >> not the typical case. >> >> And remember, committers are given email forwards via an a.o email >> address. So there is no functional requirement that I can see for an >> OOo address, other than the conventional postmaster and admin >> addresses. >> >> +1 I agree. If the same service can be delivered with a.o-email, why > hang on to OOo-email. > That might complicate matters unnessisarily > > di...@openoffice.org > > -1 I think making the switch will complicate things even more. > -- > DiGro > > Windows 7 and OpenOffice.org 3.3 > Scanned with Ziggo uitgebreide Internetbeveiliging (F-Secure) > > -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org
Re: Some more strange files in the OOo code
On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 5:30 PM, Christian Lippka wrote: > As a developer I think we can learn a lot from the LO people in terms of > creating > a user feeling. I think a mistake from OOo was to actually spend more time > coding > and less time community building. > umm waiting for a drumroll anytime soon. > > Am 22.06.2011 00:20, schrieb Christian Lohmaier: > > Hi Mathias, >> >> On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 11:49 PM, Mathias Bauer >> wrote: >> >>> On 21.06.2011 23:01, Christian Lohmaier wrote: >>> >>>> On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 10:07 PM, Mathias Bauer >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> [...] >>>>> Not really. It's mainly about the shrinking of the LO Windows download >>>>> size >>>>> (that BTW still is bigger than the download size of OOo). >>>>> >>>> But includes *all* languages, as opposed to one single language. >>>> (it doesn't include help though, that is in an extra package, if not >>>> installed you'll get the help online in your browser). >>>> >>>> So don't start comparing apples and oranges. >>>> >>> I was not the one who started that nonsense discussion. >>> >> But you were the one who made that nonsense statement. Live with it. >> >> And I still fail to see how that related to performance. >>> >> It is not. Only thing that is related to size is the amount of data >> needed to read from disk and how much memory that useless data uses. >> But no, I don't know whether that accounts to performance at all, and >> as I'm not using windows myself, I don't care either. Or otherwise >> put: No idea whether the windows9x compatibility stuff that was >> removed for example was ifdef 0 ed already, or whether it ended up in >> the compiled result.. >> But just because the one thing doesn't have anything to do with the >> other, doesn't make that other part irrelevant. >> >> All I asked for is to not compare apples with oranges. Not more, not less. >> So many b*t is written and picked up by others, so don't start it here. >> >> Can we now go back to real work again? >>> >> Well, consider me as observer only/ignore me, I surely won't hinder >> you from doing your work. But I surely won't just accept any nonsense >> written here without commenting. >> >> (as for performance: I myself didn't bother to compare for myself, but >> users report that LO feels faster for them, so they are happy, and >> that's what counts in the end) >> >> ciao >> Christian >> >> > -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org
Re: Some more strange files in the OOo code
er" horse any you'll see that > listening to users, that pleasing your users is not a bad thing to do. > > If LO is perceived to be starting faster just because the splashscreen > is shown earlier, you might not consider it worth of your coding time. > But that's the wrong attitude. > > But enough of this thread, I'll mute it once sending this message. So > no worries about being "distracted from doing real work" by me again, > at least not in this thread. > > ciao > Christian > -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org
Re: Some more strange files in the OOo code
ankfully are not >> stupid enough to believe anything some high-profile person writes. >> And you and IBM wonder why you did get the counter-reaction of the >> TDF-Camp (not by TDF spokespersons, but by volunteers) that just could >> not take that crap anymore. >> >> And last but not least about the user-feeling: >> Yes, you should listen to your user-base. Those are the ones who >> promote LO/OOo after all. Oracle did a great lesson on how to not do >> it with the icon-styles. That's one of the first things that LO did >> change, and was very, very well appreciated by the users. Some even >> got that far and stated that this was the reason for switching. >> >> So get down of your "I'm a developer" horse any you'll see that >> listening to users, that pleasing your users is not a bad thing to do. >> >> If LO is perceived to be starting faster just because the splashscreen >> is shown earlier, you might not consider it worth of your coding time. >> But that's the wrong attitude. >> >> But enough of this thread, I'll mute it once sending this message. So >> no worries about being "distracted from doing real work" by me again, >> at least not in this thread. >> >> ciao >> Christian >> >> > -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org
Re: Some more strange files in the OOo code
On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 6:54 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: > > > On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 6:43 PM, Christian Lippka wrote: > >> It is astounding how even saying something *good* about LO triggers a very >> personal and aggressive response. I refrained to say anything remotely >> critical >> about LO in the last days, now I will stop saying anything remotely >> positive >> about LO. Lesson learned. >> > > I think is better to not compare the projects on these lines, Why? because > most of the marketing project (in charge of community building) was done by > the same people in TDF. Florian, Italo, Cor where very active in the > Marketing project in OOo. When TDF happened, they were the same people the > same tasks under TDF. So saying how much a better job did TDF did than OOo > is like saying how much better you did in Elementary school compared with > the job you did in Jr High school. I mean is plausible they improved their > processes but is comparing the same group of people. > I would rather compared what wonderful job did Mary Colveig for Mozilla did for Firefox and their Firefox download pledge in 2008 compared to Peter Jungue did on OOo at the OOo 3.0 release vs Aaron Seigo up in KDE for 4.0 and so on... > > > >> >> Christian. >> >> Am 22.06.2011 01:30, schrieb Christian Lohmaier: >> >> On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 12:30 AM, Christian Lippka >>> wrote: >>> >>>> As a developer I think we can learn a lot from the LO people in terms of >>>> creating >>>> a user feeling. I think a mistake from OOo was to actually spend more >>>> time >>>> coding >>>> and less time community building. >>>> >>> The problem is that all the community building efforts that were >>> slowly beginning to work during Sun's governance were nullified when >>> Oracle took over. >>> It is you to blame that large parts just waited for a foundation to >>> form, >>> >> Thank you, I never realized it was me personally to thank for the creation >> of TDF :-) >> >> and sure, you can go on and whine about how bad LO and the TDF >>> is because the moved away, and you can keep on saying that the >>> contributions that all the volunteers did to LO in the meantime were >>> just whitespace cleanups (which of course is not true) and belittle >>> all the numerous contributions. Sure, continue to live in your >>> parallel world - but don't expect to have any success with that >>> attitude. >>> At least there was and is progress on LibreOffice, while there was >>> stagnation on OOo. >>> >>> And I fully agree - as a developer you should stop bitching around. >>> And as Mathias wrote "go back to real work". But where is that info >>> and support form Oracle's staff regarding the infrastructure >>> questions? No answer to size of bugzilla-database, etc. (at lest not >>> public/on this or the infrastructure list). What about pootle - will >>> it come back ata ll= Stuff that is so easy to obtain for people with >>> access, but instead you complain about how "evil" TDF and LO is? >>> Sorry, but you really should wake up and get over with. >>> >>> OOo had built a great community and started to be trusted by companies >>> and government agencies. OOo had the "foot in the door". Those who >>> played with the idea of switching to OOo now backed off. And if open >>> source community is lucky, the'll consider moving to LO instead of >>> sticking with MS-Office. >>> Now with the move to Apache you basically start over with that >>> trust-building. What could save OOo is the name it has, but for that >>> to work you really need to be quick in creating something that is >>> usable for the end-user, and not just something that works for the >>> apache process. Just removing all license conflicts won't do it. >>> >>> TDF/LO already did prove that it is capable of doing all the related >>> work, apache-OOo just is getting started and already has an >>> inferiority complex on the one hand (but considers itself as upstream >>> on the other hand). You still have a long way to go until Apache-OOo >>> is considere "upstream". No matter whether you have to trademark or >>> not is irrelevant when you cannot compensate for the stuff that needs >>> to be removed. >>> >>> Feel free to start bitching about LO once you got the first build from >>> apache-OOo
Re: So what about QA?
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 10:57 AM, Kazunari Hirano wrote: > Hi Rob and all, > > On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 4:14 PM, Kazunari Hirano > wrote: > > Hi Rob, > > > > I think Maho Nakata has fully answered your question about QA. > > :) > > I mentioned OpenOffice.org Japanese Language Project's QA activity > > when I answered Dennis Hamilton's questions on this list. > > > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-ooo-dev/201106.mbox/%3cbanlktikj9hhfsp4t3xhnk-68mzvx1rk...@mail.gmail.com%3E > > (Can you tell me how to shorten a lengthy link to a mail? :) > > http://s.apache.org/iGi > I have made it. > :) > Thanks, > khirano > I also appreciate these conversations but I get a feeling we are inventing the wheel from scratch. Most of the questions regarding QA, Testing, Documentation, and such where already documented. So I wonder if the questions are originated from thin air or based already on the documented process. So to put it differently Rob, have you read on the QA processes and then ask for specifics, or did you just ask if there was any QA set in place? I am just trying to save time explaining every projects function from scratch. -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org
Re: Contributors versus Committers versus PMC members - AND USERS
On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 10:30 AM, Kazunari Hirano wrote: > Hi Rob, > > Thanks. > > I said, "Make sure we set them up on request." > > And Marcus said, "But only when it's requested. We can start with the > normal one in English and see which other languages are requested > again and again." > I have my questions regarding this method, just because I have seen them before. Usually the admin has to lock himself on a rehabilitation center after the initital 3 waves of request and angry people because they requested and no action was followed. The opposite effect is to just migrate them all 100% with users and archieved, and then strip the ones that have never been active or are just full of spam. Sure I agree it fragment the discussion, the question is if the swahilli discussion was meant to be in the general list on the first place or not? > > I agree with him. > :) > Thanks, > khirano > -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org
Re: Contributors versus Committers versus PMC members - AND USERS
org/projects/de/lists > > 34 - Greek - http://openoffice.org/projects/el/lists > > 35 - Gujarati - http://openoffice.org/projects/gu/lists > > 36 - Haitian Creole - http://openoffice.org/projects/ht/lists > > 37 - Hebrew - http://openoffice.org/projects/he/lists > > 38 - Hindi - http://openoffice.org/projects/hi/lists > > 39 - Hungarian - http://openoffice.org/projects/hu/lists > > 40 - Icelandic - http://openoffice.org/projects/is/lists > > 41 - Indonesian - http://openoffice.org/projects/id/lists > > 42 - Irish Gaelic - http://openoffice.org/projects/ga/lists > > 43 - Italiano - http://openoffice.org/projects/it/lists > > 44 - Japanese - http://openoffice.org/projects/ja/lists > > 45 - Khmer - http://openoffice.org/projects/km/lists > > 46 - Korean - http://openoffice.org/projects/ko/lists > > 47 - Kurdish - http://openoffice.org/projects/ku/lists > > 48 - Lao - http://openoffice.org/projects/lo/lists > > 49 - Latvian - http://openoffice.org/projects/lv/lists > > 50 - Lithuanian - http://openoffice.org/projects/lt/lists > > 51 - Macedonian - http://openoffice.org/projects/mk/lists > > 52 - Malayalam - http://openoffice.org/projects/ml/lists > > 53 - Marathi - http://openoffice.org/projects/mr/lists > > 54 - Malagasy - http://openoffice.org/projects/mg/lists > > 55 - Malaysian - http://openoffice.org/projects/ms/lists > > 56 - Miskito - http://openoffice.org/projects/miq/lists > > 57 - Mongolian - http://openoffice.org/projects/mn/lists > > 58 - Nepali - http://openoffice.org/projects/ne/lists > > 59 - Norwegian - http://openoffice.org/projects/no/lists > > 60 - Oromoo - http://openoffice.org/projects/om/lists > > 61 - Papmiento - http://openoffice.org/projects/pa/lists > > 62 - Pashto - http://openoffice.org/projects/ps/lists > > 63 - Persian - http://openoffice.org/projects/fa/lists > > 64 - Polish - http://openoffice.org/projects/pl/lists > > 65 - Portuguese - http://openoffice.org/projects/pt/lists > > 66 - Portuguese of Brasil - http://openoffice.org/projects/br-pt/lists > > 67 - Punjabi - http://openoffice.org/projects/pa/lists > > 68 - Romanian - http://openoffice.org/projects/ro/lists > > 69 - Russian - http://openoffice.org/projects/ru/lists > > 70 - Sängö - http://openoffice.org/projects/sg/lists > > 71 - Serbian - http://openoffice.org/projects/sr/lists > > 72 - Shuswa - http://openoffice.org/projects/shs/lists > > 73 - Sidama - http://openoffice.org/projects/dm/lists > > 74 - Sinhala - http://openoffice.org/projects/si/lists > > 75 - Slovenian - http://openoffice.org/projects/sl/lists > > 76 - Slovakian - http://openoffice.org/projects/sk/lists > > 77 - Somali - http://openoffice.org/projects/so/lists > > 78 - Spanish - http://openoffice.org/projects/es/lists > > 79 - Swedish - http://openoffice.org/projects/sv/lists > > 80 - Tajik - http://openoffice.org/projects/tg/lists > > 81 - Tamil - http://openoffice.org/projects/ta/lists > > 82 - Tatar - http://openoffice.org/projects/tt-crh/lists > > 83 - Telugu - http://openoffice.org/projects/te/lists > > 84 - Tetum - http://openoffice.org/projects/tet/lists > > 85 - Thai - http://openoffice.org/projects/th/lists > > 86 - Tibetan - http://openoffice.org/projects/bo/lists > > 87 - Tigrinya - http://openoffice.org/projects//lists > > 88 - Turkish - http://openoffice.org/projects/tr/lists > > 89 - Ukrainian - http://openoffice.org/projects/uk/lists > > 90 - Urdu - http://openoffice.org/projects/urd/lists > > 91 - Uzbek - http://openoffice.org/projects/uz/lists > > 92 - Vietnamese - http://openoffice.org/projects/vi/lists > > 93 - Welsh - http://openoffice.org/projects/cy/lists > > > > Thanks, > > khirano > > > -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org
Re: Contributors versus Committers versus PMC members - AND USERS
On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 11:18 AM, Dick Groskamp wrote: > Op 25-6-2011 17:23, Rob Weir schreef: > >> Thanks for the list. I looked around. Some lists are very active. >> Some have not seen activity for a year or more. Some seem to never >> have been active. And some are just full of spam :-( >> >> I can see three ways to decide what to do (but maybe someone has other >> ideas?): >> >> 3) Create lists only when there is a sufficient number of project >> members on the Apache list asking for new list. >> > +1 > >> Right now we have just a single discussion pubic list, ooo-dev. I can >> easily imagine, that once we have some code checked in and start >> actively working on making our first release, that the traffic in that >> one list will be larger enough that we'll want to split into >> specialized functional lists, maybe: >> [snip] >> >> >> I don't think we're there yet, but I can certainly see that happening >> in the next few weeks/months. >> > I can surely agree with that > > 1) Do we want Apache to host a Pootle server? If so, we need to put >> together that request and make it happen. >> > O yes please.. (but I was the main cinbtributor for that on the "old" > project for the Dutch language.) > > But there was another reason. SUN/Oracle made the builds with about 8 > langiages EMBEDDED in them. > Yes, indeed one of them was Dutch. :-) > > Furthermore the proces was more and more set to be automated. Source > strings were fed to POOTLE. > The translators for each language could then do their job in POOTLE and > engineers from SUN/Oracle > pulled, when they could use them in htier proces, the strings from POOTLE > and proces them towards the build. > Last minute translations could mostly be delivered on time for the final > pull for releases > > Since localization seemed to be always at the end of the proces translators > had to work under duress. > This way the pressure was less at the end of the proces since strings were > already for the biggest part already > translated. > At the same time, there was efforts to do the continuos l10n which was meant to have localization at any time of the process. http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/ContinuousL10n server for the continuos l10n will give out reports on false strings. ftp://qa-upload.services.openoffice.org/l10n/download/ There was also special KeID builds to do QA on the locale which ease the context of the locale: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/KeyID_Build > If not using POOTLE you will have to think of a way to collect the > tranlations to put them into the build. > Will APACHE build the same EMBEDDED builds as SUN/Oracle did or willl there > only be languagepacks. > If the latter who will make them ? > >> 2) Did the Oracle SGA include all of the language translation sources? >> If not, we need to identify what is missing >> [snip] >> Apache is different. >> > No problem with that at all. Most of us just want to produce a nice working > officesuite > > > -- > DiGro > > Windows 7 and OpenOffice.org 3.3 > Scanned with Ziggo uitgebreide Internetbeveiliging (F-Secure) > > -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org
Re: Contributors versus Committers versus PMC members - AND USERS
On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 4:44 PM, Rob Weir wrote: > On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 5:16 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton > wrote: > > I think this is extremely important and I'm embarrassed that I missed it. > > > > I'm also thinking that we need an ooo-user list pretty soon. > > > > In the incubation proposal we said that we would not be requesting a > ooo-user list, but would instead be going for phpBB user forums. But > that was then, now is now. > > OOo has a user list and a user forum, which you can find here: > > http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/ (That is just the > English language one. There are others ) > > and here: > > http://openoffice.org/projects/www/lists/users/archive > > It looks like the forums get the far greater level of activity. But > it would be good to quantify that. In any case, I think the activity > level is high enough (forums claim 97 users online at the forums at > this instant, and 42 active threads today alone) that I think it > would be inappropriate for users who want to post a questions and > check back the next day for an answer. > > But lists might be good for other kinds of things. > > Does anyone see a difference other than the obvious difference of > technology, between the OOo user list and the forums? Are they being > used for different kinds of things? Or are they just different ways > of doing the same things? > > -Rob > People use the forum and lists sometimes for different things. New users don't really know any difference so they might submit a bug report on the list or forum even if neither of them is for that. However in my experience users have different prefferences of communication and alternative communities form regarding each channel. ie. ML users don't participate much in the forum and viceversa. I see more a cultural difference than a real difference. Certainly both present technological advantages, I can use my email search which is faster to find things than the forum search. But I get swamp by conversations in which I am not interested. Which many new users specially are turned off. -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org
Re: Contributors versus Committers versus PMC members - AND USERS
On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 11:36 AM, Rob Weir wrote: > On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 12:10 PM, Alexandro Colorado > wrote: > > On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 10:23 AM, Rob Weir wrote: > > > >> Thanks for the list. I looked around. Some lists are very active. > >> Some have not seen activity for a year or more. Some seem to never > >> have been active. And some are just full of spam :-( > >> > >> I can see three ways to decide what to do (but maybe someone has other > >> ideas?): > >> > >> 1) Recreate the structure of the OOo lists, making lists for all > >> language groups, whether or not they are active. > >> > >> 2) Define activity criteria for what we will create, such as number of > >> posts in last 12 months. Create lists of whatever was active (by an > >> agreed on definition). > >> > >> 3) Create lists only when there is a sufficient number of project > >> members on the Apache list asking for new list. > >> > >> I think I like approach #3 better. There are downsides to having more > >> lists than we need. It fragments the discussion. If we have 93 > >> language projects with each one having dev/marketing/user, etc., > >> lists, then we have 500 or so mailing lists, most of which see little > >> or no traffic. Do we really want to recreate that at Apache? > >> > >> Right now we have just a single discussion pubic list, ooo-dev. I can > >> easily imagine, that once we have some code checked in and start > >> actively working on making our first release, that the traffic in that > >> one list will be larger enough that we'll want to split into > >> specialized functional lists, maybe: > >> > >> ooo-general == general project discussion that crosses over functional > >> areas of project. Everything that doesn't fit elsewhere goes here. > >> > >> ooo-user == user discussion threads > >> > >> ooo-dev == programming, including QA, UI design, accessibility, etc. > >> > >> ooo-doc == help and documentation > >> > >> ooo-translate == translation > >> > >> I don't think we're there yet, but I can certainly see that happening > >> in the next few weeks/months. > >> > >> It is also possible that when we get very active, that the > >> conversation level on ooo-translate becomes so high that we need to > >> split some language discussions into their own list: > >> > >> ooo-translate-jp, ooo-translate-es, ooo-translate-pt, etc. > >> > >> I think we might want that to be driven by actual observed demand. We > >> can always create new lists when they are actually needed. > >> > >> But I think for now we want to keep the discussion together in larger > >> groups. For example, before we think of having a detailed group on > >> Japanese translation, we should probably have higher level discussions > >> in common, like: > >> > >> 1) Do we want Apache to host a Pootle server? If so, we need to put > >> together that request and make it happen. > >> > >> 2) Did the Oracle SGA include all of the language translation sources? > >> If not, we need to identify what is missing. > >> > >> Another thing to consider is this. We've all heard the complaints > >> about Sun/Oracle and how they managed the OOo project. Maybe the core > >> development project was not as open as it could have been to outside > >> contributions. Maybe the project leadership was centralized with > >> their employees. Maybe the power was not shared broadly. These are > >> all valid criticisms of *that* project. The natural tendency of this > >> was to create satellite power centers in the language projects, > >> because that was the primary place where you were permitted a sphere > >> of influence and control. > >> > >> I don't think the new Apache project needs to be, or should be, the > >> same way. There is no central corporate control. Volunteers from all > >> former OOo language projects are welcome, and are even encouraged, to > >> participate directly in all functions of the project. I'd like OOo to > >> be a strong *global* open source project. > >> > >> I guess I'm saying this: Let's not automatically create the same > >> project structures as OOo had. Those were partially created to work > >> within a corporate-led open source project that distri
Re: Contributors versus Committers versus PMC members - AND USERS
On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 8:05 AM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: > Rob Weir wrote: > > Do we know how many language-specific user lists we have at OOo today? > > Not forums, but user mailing lists. > > I don't know the total figures, but the Italian N-L project has 10, 5 of > which active: > - utenti (generic users list, about 500 subscribers) > - discussioni (for discussions not related to user support) > - qa (to coordinate QA activities) > - localizzazione (to coordinate localization activities) > - dev (user support for macros/extensions; not core development) > > Other major N-L projects (around 10-20) probably have a similar > structure. The remaining N-L projects probably only have one user list. > > Regards, > Andrea. > > In ES we actually make a pretty controvertial push to move our ML to our own servers. We got much heat from it, but in the end we enjoy a more autonomous system. localizac...@oooes.org and sopo...@oooes.org -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org
Re: Contributors versus Committers versus PMC members - AND USERS
On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 2:49 AM, Reizinger Zoltán wrote: > 2011.06.24. 23:44 keltezéssel, Rob Weir írta: > > Does anyone see a difference other than the obvious difference of >> technology, between the OOo user list and the forums? Are they being >> used for different kinds of things? Or are they just different ways >> of doing the same things? >> > > The user downloaded OOo from OOo site can be aware of OOo mailing lists if > met some problems - users with some knowledge. > If user get OOo without his knowledge, some admin installed on computer, > this happens in small companies or public administration, > This user - average Joe, has knowledge in other software, when met specific > problems, in most cases use some search engine to find answer, then the > forum could came first. > The second type of user prefer forums, and the first type possibly mailing > lists. > > My practice on user forums and Base user and developer mailing list have > differences, in the forums core developers never posts, questions answered > by volunteers or other users. > (It takes time to crawl through all posts, the developers time worth more > than spend reading questions, easily answerable ones.) > In users mailing lists, half answers came from core developers, if they > think, the problem is real. "Easily answerable questions" answered by > volunteers. > In developer mailing list users mostly ISVs or power users use, when met > specific problems, in specific database drivers, or with programming OOo, > and answered usually by developers. > > Zoltan > > +1 this explains better the situation. ML where never popular on the mainstream and very rare to find a traditional user ackowledge or be attracted to ML. -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org
Re: Contributors versus Committers versus PMC members - AND USERS
On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 12:46 PM, Dick Groskamp wrote: > Op 25-6-2011 18:36, Rob Weir schreef: > >> I hope you don't get that impression. Language is one cross-cutting >> [snip] >> >> I understand that when it comes to the translation of individual UI >> strings, that the discussion then becomes very narrow and specialized >> and that this will not be of interest to everyone. But that is no >> different than a discussion that is only relevant to 64bit Windows. >> >> I don't think we should hold a gun to people's head to join a ML that >>> they >>> might not be interested on the first place. Even if it's just to request >>> a >>> new one. >>> >> Well, I can only talk for Dutch OOo community but this is how it worked in > the past for us. > > We had a userlist inside nl.openoffice.org where all was discussed > on/about localisation ( level of Native Language) > > If we found issues or problems we couldn't realize within that area, we > went over to the userllist L10n from OOo (worldwide level) > > On the L10n all issues from all NLC came together but they merely concerned > localization as is. > It were more technical discussions and issues that arose during > translations. (like for instance adjustments to GUI if a string was too > long) > > On L10n we also monitored status of translations and work to come and so > forth. > > So in our case it was more a two step ladder, keeping small issues on low > level and the rest up to L10n Similar process took for things like Documentation with the OOoAuthors list at the documentation project. Also some marketing prospects (specially budget related) > > > -- > DiGro > > Windows 7 and OpenOffice.org 3.3 > Scanned with Ziggo uitgebreide Internetbeveiliging (F-Secure) > > -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org
Re: CORRECTION [REQUEST] Initial Committers Please Confirm PPMC Participation.
On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 2:24 PM, Wolf Halton wrote: > Hi, > I have not gotten a reply from my icla yet, I don't think. I will sign up > to the list next week. > I have got reply from the ICLA but I still not sure how to proceed with the SVN access. As it now, I still dont have any password for it. I did read the docs at apache and found little about how to get your user/pwd assigned. Most projects you just need to upload your public ssh/gpg key and get it signed. > > Thanks, > Wolf > > On Jun 25, 2011 2:15 PM, "Dennis E. Hamilton" wrote: > > Initial committers are automatically eligible to serve on the PPMC. > > > > Initial committers who have been set up with their Apache user names and > have committer access can begin immediate participation on the PPMC. Simply > subscribe to the ooo-priv...@incubator.apache.org list using the > @apache.orge-mail or the e-mail given on the iCLA. > > > > There are currently 19 committers who have not joined the PPMC. If you > are > set up as a committer and have not subscribed, please do so. > > > > If you are set up as a committer and do not wish to serve on the PPMC, > please inform the PPMC by e-mail to ooo-priv...@incubator.apache.org. > > > > For more information on PPMC activities and responsibilities, see < > http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html> and > > <http://incubator.apache.org/guides/ppmc.html>. > > > > - Dennis E. Hamilton > > > > PS: The only list to subscribe to in coming onto the PPMC is > ooo-priv...@incubator.apache.org. Send an e-mail (without subscribing) to > that address if you are eligible but decline to be on the PPMC. > > It is valuable to have many initial committers on the PPMC. It is not a > requirement for every committer and there are no repercussions either way. > Please choose what you are comfortable with and that inspires you to be > here. > > > -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org
Re: CORRECTION [REQUEST] Initial Committers Please Confirm PPMC Participation.
On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 2:38 PM, Christian Grobmeier wrote: > Alexandro, > > > I have got reply from the ICLA but I still not sure how to proceed with > the > > SVN access. As it now, I still dont have any password for it. I did read > the > > docs at apache and found little about how to get your user/pwd assigned. > > usually accounts are created in a batch. If you haven't got your login > credentials with last batch you'll get some information with the next. > I am sorry, you probably need to wait for a while... > Ok I do want to know what is the expected period since I got my id already accepted 4 days ago (June 21). > > Cheers, > Christian > > > Most projects you just need to upload your public ssh/gpg key and get it > > signed. > > > > > > > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Wolf > >> > >> On Jun 25, 2011 2:15 PM, "Dennis E. Hamilton" > wrote: > >> > Initial committers are automatically eligible to serve on the PPMC. > >> > > >> > Initial committers who have been set up with their Apache user names > and > >> have committer access can begin immediate participation on the PPMC. > Simply > >> subscribe to the ooo-priv...@incubator.apache.org list using the > >> @apache.orge-mail or the e-mail given on the iCLA. > >> > > >> > There are currently 19 committers who have not joined the PPMC. If you > >> are > >> set up as a committer and have not subscribed, please do so. > >> > > >> > If you are set up as a committer and do not wish to serve on the PPMC, > >> please inform the PPMC by e-mail to ooo-priv...@incubator.apache.org. > >> > > >> > For more information on PPMC activities and responsibilities, see < > >> http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html> and > >> > <http://incubator.apache.org/guides/ppmc.html>. > >> > > >> > - Dennis E. Hamilton > >> > > >> > PS: The only list to subscribe to in coming onto the PPMC is > >> ooo-priv...@incubator.apache.org. Send an e-mail (without subscribing) > to > >> that address if you are eligible but decline to be on the PPMC. > >> > It is valuable to have many initial committers on the PPMC. It is not > a > >> requirement for every committer and there are no repercussions either > way. > >> Please choose what you are comfortable with and that inspires you to be > >> here. > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > *Alexandro Colorado* > > *OpenOffice.org* Español > > http://es.openoffice.org > > > > > > -- > http://www.grobmeier.de > -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org
Re: http://OpenOffice.org httpd logs, web analytics, etc.
On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 9:07 AM, Raphael Bircher wrote: > Hi Rob > > The statistics are located at the OOo Kenai infrastructure. As long we dont > have contact to the kenai admin we have any log at all. I try to find out > the contacts since a week without results. > > @ORACLE can you give us the contact persons for the Kenai infrastructure. > We realy need this for the migration. Thanks for your help. > Most of the Kenai pages where done and coordinated by Stefan Taxhet. Although I think he wont be involved in this process, he might help us pointing to key infrastructure managers. So to get the logs and the Google Analytics reports would be a good idea to consult them. > > Greetings Raphael > > > > Am 27.06.11 14:33, schrieb Rob Weir: > > Do we have any detailed access logs or reports for OOo? I think that >> would be useful for prioritizing service migration, decided what to >> archive versus what to keep alive, etc. I've heard a lot of anecdotal >> stories, but hard data is good to get the complete picture. >> >> If it would be possible to get, say YTD httpd logs, then I could >> generate some reports showing what web site services are post used. >> Since the raw data likely has client IP addresses we probably should >> treat it as it as sensitive and share only on the PMC's private >> repository. >> >> Same information would be useful for capacity planning purposes. >> >> Also, how do Apache projects handle web analytics? Is there any >> tracking code installed by default? Is this permitted? Do projects >> have access to their httpd logs? >> >> -Rob >> >> > > -- > My private Homepage: http://www.raphaelbircher.ch/ > -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org
Re: Top level question on website migration
On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 9:47 AM, Kay Schenk wrote: > > > On 06/27/2011 05:28 AM, Rob Weir wrote: > >> Assuming we're not trying for a "big bang" migration where we move >> everything at once, it seems we have two main approaches: >> >> 1) Assign existing OpenOffice.org DNS to Apache now. For services >> which we have not yet migrated to Apache we redirect back to Oracle's >> server, by IP address. As additional services are migrated to Apache, >> we remove redirects. >> > > Well given the state of the project as it exists today in the Apache > environment, I think this is fraught with MANY problems. What is "up" on > Apache right now is really insignificant compared to what is available via > OpenOffice.org. I think before doing this, we'd need to make a VERY > comprehensive mapping list of what would be going where. > I don't mean to overburden everyone with "details", but I think a > "migration plan" complete with "areas" and timeframes might be in order. > This would be useful to determine scope as well as creating a reasonable > schedule. > > Someone would spend a LOT of time maintaining the redirect business. > I'm concerned with acccess "blips" given this approach. Timing is > everything. > > Additionally, some people, like me, have edit (committer) rights on parts > of the OpenOffice web server to continue to make changes (if only > informative) and no similar rights on Apache. Right now, I'm not doing much > except trying to keep some reasonable info about the move updated on the > OpenOffice.org site on some of the primary pages. But...I really have NO > idea what others with commit rights are doing on that server at the moment. > This would be interesting to find out. I havent been able to do any commits to the site yet, but I also wonder what is the status of this current site. Is there going to be any SSI? Who choosed that template? How can I go about it to change it and if it's good idea to simply change it as please. Sound a bit rookish questions but also wonder what is the direction of that site. > > > >> 2) Do it in the opposite direction: DNS goes to Oracle's servers and >> they redirect to Apache for services that we've migrated. As services >> are migrated we ask Oracle to add additional requests. When >> everything is migrated then we switch over the DNS. >> > > This seems like a better idea with less redirection for the time being. > However, this puts control in Oracle's court which may not be desirable. > > > >> #1 seems a lot cleaner to me, and requires less coordination with >> Oracle. We control the DNS, redirects and generally set the pace of >> migration. But are there protocols beyond http/https that we need to >> worry about? For example, any ftp, smtp, nntp, etc. that would >> complicate things? >> >> If we can agree on the general approach I don't see why we couldn't >> start some migration this week. Bugzilla, for example, seems to be a >> straightforward. >> > > Well this particular area seems OK. :) > > Really I will do some work via the wiki this week to augment the list on > the wiki from my perspective on what needs to be done. > > >> -Rob >> > > -- > > MzK > > "He's got that New Orleans thing crawling all over him, that good stuff, > that 'We Are the Champions', to hell with the rest and > I'll just start over kind of attitude." > -- "1 Dead in the Attic", Chris Rose > -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org
Re: Top level question on website migration
On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 10:15 AM, Kay Schenk wrote: > > > On 06/27/2011 07:58 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: > >> On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 9:47 AM, Kay Schenk wrote: >> >> >>> >>> On 06/27/2011 05:28 AM, Rob Weir wrote: >>> >>> Assuming we're not trying for a "big bang" migration where we move >>>> everything at once, it seems we have two main approaches: >>>> >>>> 1) Assign existing OpenOffice.org DNS to Apache now. For services >>>> which we have not yet migrated to Apache we redirect back to Oracle's >>>> server, by IP address. As additional services are migrated to Apache, >>>> we remove redirects. >>>> >>>> >>> Well given the state of the project as it exists today in the Apache >>> environment, I think this is fraught with MANY problems. What is "up" on >>> Apache right now is really insignificant compared to what is available >>> via >>> OpenOffice.org. I think before doing this, we'd need to make a VERY >>> comprehensive mapping list of what would be going where. >>> I don't mean to overburden everyone with "details", but I think a >>> "migration plan" complete with "areas" and timeframes might be in order. >>> This would be useful to determine scope as well as creating a reasonable >>> schedule. >>> >>> Someone would spend a LOT of time maintaining the redirect business. >>> I'm concerned with acccess "blips" given this approach. Timing is >>> everything. >>> >>> Additionally, some people, like me, have edit (committer) rights on parts >>> of the OpenOffice web server to continue to make changes (if only >>> informative) and no similar rights on Apache. Right now, I'm not doing >>> much >>> except trying to keep some reasonable info about the move updated on the >>> OpenOffice.org site on some of the primary pages. But...I really have NO >>> idea what others with commit rights are doing on that server at the >>> moment. >>> This would be interesting to find out. >>> >> >> >> I havent been able to do any commits to the site yet, but I also wonder >> what >> is the status of this current site. Is there going to be any SSI? Who >> choosed that template? >> > > Not sure how to answer this since I don't even know if it HAS a template. > > > Since I know little about kenai, I don't know anything about it handles > templates, but the site looks pretty much the same as it did before the > move. > > > How can I go about it to change it and if it's good > >> idea to simply change it as please. >> > > The site uses ssh+svn (svn with ssh tunneling) see: > http://kenai.com/projects/help/pages/SourceControl > > You need your own private ssh key uploaded through your OO.o private key. > > If you have your own OO.o ID and login, you should be able to see what > projects you are a member of and what rights you have to them. > > > >> Sound a bit rookish questions but also wonder what is the direction of >> that >> site. >> > > Well...it's my understanding that eventually it will cease to exist, at > some point yet to be determined. Thus, we need to put whatever effort we can > into this new Apache endeavor. Sorry Kay, I know the Kenai layout, I was asking about Apache-OOo new site: http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/ I think this one is set up here: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/ooo/site/trunk/ It seems to have some perl(?) scripts: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/ooo/site/trunk/lib/view.pm?revision=1137122&view=markup Not sure if its using a framework or just random perl scripts holding things somewhat automated. From what I see there are some Templates setup: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/ooo/site/trunk/templates/skeleton.html?revision=1137122&view=markup On Kenai, it did had the tigris template, which we drag from Collabnet, and the CSS had some major change to it spreading it across 6 different stylesheets (before it was only one). And there were of course a template use on most of the projects. BizDev and Education tried a tableless CSS which never made it to production. > > > >> >> >> >>> >>> >>> 2) Do it in the opposite direction: DNS goes to Oracle's servers and >>>> they redirect to Apache for services that we've migrated. As services >>>> are migrated we ask Oracle to add additional requests. When >>>>
Re: Top level question on website migration
On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 12:51 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: > > On Jun 27, 2011, at 8:29 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: > > > On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 10:15 AM, Kay Schenk > wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> On 06/27/2011 07:58 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: > >> > >>> On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 9:47 AM, Kay Schenk > wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>> > >>>> On 06/27/2011 05:28 AM, Rob Weir wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Assuming we're not trying for a "big bang" migration where we move > >>>>> everything at once, it seems we have two main approaches: > >>>>> > >>>>> 1) Assign existing OpenOffice.org DNS to Apache now. For services > >>>>> which we have not yet migrated to Apache we redirect back to Oracle's > >>>>> server, by IP address. As additional services are migrated to > Apache, > >>>>> we remove redirects. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> Well given the state of the project as it exists today in the Apache > >>>> environment, I think this is fraught with MANY problems. What is "up" > on > >>>> Apache right now is really insignificant compared to what is available > >>>> via > >>>> OpenOffice.org. I think before doing this, we'd need to make a VERY > >>>> comprehensive mapping list of what would be going where. > >>>> I don't mean to overburden everyone with "details", but I think a > >>>> "migration plan" complete with "areas" and timeframes might be in > order. > >>>> This would be useful to determine scope as well as creating a > reasonable > >>>> schedule. > >>>> > >>>> Someone would spend a LOT of time maintaining the redirect business. > >>>> I'm concerned with acccess "blips" given this approach. Timing is > >>>> everything. > >>>> > >>>> Additionally, some people, like me, have edit (committer) rights on > parts > >>>> of the OpenOffice web server to continue to make changes (if only > >>>> informative) and no similar rights on Apache. Right now, I'm not doing > >>>> much > >>>> except trying to keep some reasonable info about the move updated on > the > >>>> OpenOffice.org site on some of the primary pages. But...I really have > NO > >>>> idea what others with commit rights are doing on that server at the > >>>> moment. > >>>> This would be interesting to find out. > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> I havent been able to do any commits to the site yet, but I also wonder > >>> what > >>> is the status of this current site. Is there going to be any SSI? Who > >>> choosed that template? > >>> > >> > >> Not sure how to answer this since I don't even know if it HAS a > template. > >> > >> > >> Since I know little about kenai, I don't know anything about it handles > >> templates, but the site looks pretty much the same as it did before the > >> move. > >> > >> > >> How can I go about it to change it and if it's good > >> > >>> idea to simply change it as please. > >>> > >> > >> The site uses ssh+svn (svn with ssh tunneling) see: > >> http://kenai.com/projects/help/pages/SourceControl > >> > >> You need your own private ssh key uploaded through your OO.o private > key. > >> > >> If you have your own OO.o ID and login, you should be able to see what > >> projects you are a member of and what rights you have to them. > >> > >> > >> > >>> Sound a bit rookish questions but also wonder what is the direction of > >>> that > >>> site. > >>> > >> > >> Well...it's my understanding that eventually it will cease to exist, at > >> some point yet to be determined. Thus, we need to put whatever effort we > can > >> into this new Apache endeavor. > > > > > > Sorry Kay, I know the Kenai layout, I was asking about Apache-OOo new > site: > > http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/ > > > > I think this one is set up here: > > http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/ooo/site/trunk/ > > > > It seems to have some perl(?)
Re: Top level question on website migration
On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 1:54 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: > > On Jun 27, 2011, at 10:55 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: > > > On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 12:51 PM, Dave Fisher > wrote: > > > >> > >> On Jun 27, 2011, at 8:29 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: > >> > >>> On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 10:15 AM, Kay Schenk > >> wrote: > >>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On 06/27/2011 07:58 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 9:47 AM, Kay Schenk > >> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On 06/27/2011 05:28 AM, Rob Weir wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Assuming we're not trying for a "big bang" migration where we move > >>>>>>> everything at once, it seems we have two main approaches: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 1) Assign existing OpenOffice.org DNS to Apache now. For services > >>>>>>> which we have not yet migrated to Apache we redirect back to > Oracle's > >>>>>>> server, by IP address. As additional services are migrated to > >> Apache, > >>>>>>> we remove redirects. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> Well given the state of the project as it exists today in the Apache > >>>>>> environment, I think this is fraught with MANY problems. What is > "up" > >> on > >>>>>> Apache right now is really insignificant compared to what is > available > >>>>>> via > >>>>>> OpenOffice.org. I think before doing this, we'd need to make a VERY > >>>>>> comprehensive mapping list of what would be going where. > >>>>>> I don't mean to overburden everyone with "details", but I think a > >>>>>> "migration plan" complete with "areas" and timeframes might be in > >> order. > >>>>>> This would be useful to determine scope as well as creating a > >> reasonable > >>>>>> schedule. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Someone would spend a LOT of time maintaining the redirect business. > >>>>>> I'm concerned with acccess "blips" given this approach. Timing is > >>>>>> everything. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Additionally, some people, like me, have edit (committer) rights on > >> parts > >>>>>> of the OpenOffice web server to continue to make changes (if only > >>>>>> informative) and no similar rights on Apache. Right now, I'm not > doing > >>>>>> much > >>>>>> except trying to keep some reasonable info about the move updated on > >> the > >>>>>> OpenOffice.org site on some of the primary pages. But...I really > have > >> NO > >>>>>> idea what others with commit rights are doing on that server at the > >>>>>> moment. > >>>>>> This would be interesting to find out. > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> I havent been able to do any commits to the site yet, but I also > wonder > >>>>> what > >>>>> is the status of this current site. Is there going to be any SSI? Who > >>>>> choosed that template? > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> Not sure how to answer this since I don't even know if it HAS a > >> template. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Since I know little about kenai, I don't know anything about it > handles > >>>> templates, but the site looks pretty much the same as it did before > the > >>>> move. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> How can I go about it to change it and if it's good > >>>> > >>>>> idea to simply change it as please. > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> The site uses ssh+svn (svn with ssh tunneling) see: > >>>> http://kenai.com/projects/help/pages/SourceControl > >>>> > >>>> You need your own private ssh key uploaded through your OO.o private > >> key. > >>>> > >>>> If you have your o
Re: Top level question on website migration
On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 1:58 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: > > > On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 1:54 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: > >> >> On Jun 27, 2011, at 10:55 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: >> >> > On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 12:51 PM, Dave Fisher >> wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> On Jun 27, 2011, at 8:29 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: >> >> >> >>> On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 10:15 AM, Kay Schenk >> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> On 06/27/2011 07:58 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>>> On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 9:47 AM, Kay Schenk >> >> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> On 06/27/2011 05:28 AM, Rob Weir wrote: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Assuming we're not trying for a "big bang" migration where we move >> >>>>>>> everything at once, it seems we have two main approaches: >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> 1) Assign existing OpenOffice.org DNS to Apache now. For services >> >>>>>>> which we have not yet migrated to Apache we redirect back to >> Oracle's >> >>>>>>> server, by IP address. As additional services are migrated to >> >> Apache, >> >>>>>>> we remove redirects. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>> Well given the state of the project as it exists today in the >> Apache >> >>>>>> environment, I think this is fraught with MANY problems. What is >> "up" >> >> on >> >>>>>> Apache right now is really insignificant compared to what is >> available >> >>>>>> via >> >>>>>> OpenOffice.org. I think before doing this, we'd need to make a VERY >> >>>>>> comprehensive mapping list of what would be going where. >> >>>>>> I don't mean to overburden everyone with "details", but I think a >> >>>>>> "migration plan" complete with "areas" and timeframes might be in >> >> order. >> >>>>>> This would be useful to determine scope as well as creating a >> >> reasonable >> >>>>>> schedule. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Someone would spend a LOT of time maintaining the redirect >> business. >> >>>>>> I'm concerned with acccess "blips" given this approach. Timing is >> >>>>>> everything. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Additionally, some people, like me, have edit (committer) rights on >> >> parts >> >>>>>> of the OpenOffice web server to continue to make changes (if only >> >>>>>> informative) and no similar rights on Apache. Right now, I'm not >> doing >> >>>>>> much >> >>>>>> except trying to keep some reasonable info about the move updated >> on >> >> the >> >>>>>> OpenOffice.org site on some of the primary pages. But...I really >> have >> >> NO >> >>>>>> idea what others with commit rights are doing on that server at the >> >>>>>> moment. >> >>>>>> This would be interesting to find out. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> I havent been able to do any commits to the site yet, but I also >> wonder >> >>>>> what >> >>>>> is the status of this current site. Is there going to be any SSI? >> Who >> >>>>> choosed that template? >> >>>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> Not sure how to answer this since I don't even know if it HAS a >> >> template. >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> Since I know little about kenai, I don't know anything about it >> handles >> >>>> templates, but the site looks pretty much the same as it did before >> the >> >>>> move. >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> How can I go about it to change it and if it's good >
Re: Top level question on website migration
On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 2:05 PM, Daniel Shahaf wrote: > Dave Fisher wrote on Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 11:54:20 -0700: > > On Jun 27, 2011, at 10:55 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: > > > What about the rest of the questions: > > > - Do/Will apache.ooo have SSI (PHP/Python/Ruby/Ruby backend)? > > > > This is a really good question, but apparently not. I think that there > > are plenty of reasons for user support to require a dynamic server, > > but I think that is a separate discussion. Rob's discussion about user > > support ideas and your response has me thinking Open Social. > > > > Server-side includes are supported, eg > http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/subversion/site/publish/ > uses them. > > Dynamic content is not supported. > > Static content (however generated) is supported. > Is it possible to have some CRUD? Here is the wikipage describing the modules that made the HTML template in OOo: http://kenai.com/projects/ooo-migration/pages/LayoutCustomizationforOOoOnKenai -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org
Re: Top level question on website migration
On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 2:41 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote: > - Original Message > > > From: Alexandro Colorado > > To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org > > Cc: Dave Fisher > > Sent: Mon, June 27, 2011 3:09:33 PM > > Subject: Re: Top level question on website migration > > > > On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 2:05 PM, Daniel Shahaf >wrote: > > > > > Dave Fisher wrote on Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 11:54:20 -0700: > > > > On Jun 27, 2011, at 10:55 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: > > > > > What about the rest of the questions: > > > > > - Do/Will apache.ooo have SSI (PHP/Python/Ruby/Ruby backend)? > > > > > > > > This is a really good question, but apparently not. I think that > there > > > > are plenty of reasons for user support to require a dynamic server, > > > > but I think that is a separate discussion. Rob's discussion about > user > > > > support ideas and your response has me thinking Open Social. > > > > > > > > > > Server-side includes are supported, eg > > > http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/subversion/site/publish/ > > > uses them. > > > > > > Dynamic content is not supported. > > > > > > Static content (however generated) is supported. > > > > > > > Is it possible to have some CRUD? > > Subversion is CRUD, and much more. Really you should take advantage > of what the CMS actually offers. > Subversion is NOT CRUD. If I want to add a form to a site, I can't get it connect the data to a datasource in SVN. So having a sign up sheet or a locate the closest OOo support center. I can't make that with Subversion. -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org
Re: Top level question on website migration
On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 3:18 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote: > - Original Message > > > From: Alexandro Colorado > > To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org > > Cc: Dave Fisher > > Sent: Mon, June 27, 2011 4:06:43 PM > > Subject: Re: Top level question on website migration > > > > On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 2:41 PM, Joe Schaefer >wrote: > > > > > - Original Message > > > > > > > From: Alexandro Colorado > > > > To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org > > > > Cc: Dave Fisher > > > > Sent: Mon, June 27, 2011 3:09:33 PM > > > > Subject: Re: Top level question on website migration > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 2:05 PM, Daniel Shahaf < > d...@daniel.shahaf.name > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dave Fisher wrote on Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 11:54:20 -0700: > > > > > > On Jun 27, 2011, at 10:55 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: > > > > > > > What about the rest of the questions: > > > > > > > - Do/Will apache.ooo have SSI (PHP/Python/Ruby/Ruby backend)? > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a really good question, but apparently not. I think > that > > > there > > > > > > are plenty of reasons for user support to require a dynamic > server, > > > > > > but I think that is a separate discussion. Rob's discussion > about > > > user > > > > > > support ideas and your response has me thinking Open Social. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Server-side includes are supported, eg > > > > > http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/subversion/site/publish/ > > > > > uses them. > > > > > > > > > > Dynamic content is not supported. > > > > > > > > > > Static content (however generated) is supported. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it possible to have some CRUD? > > > > > > Subversion is CRUD, and much more. Really you should take advantage > > > of what the CMS actually offers. > > > > > > > Subversion is NOT CRUD. If I want to add a form to a site, I can't get > it > > connect the data to a datasource in SVN. > > The sites are static, but they are generated from a subversion tree. So > no, > you can't "connect to svn" from the site. But look at www.apache.orgwhich > has lots of "dynamic" content tho it is also uses the CMS. > > > So having a sign up sheet or a > > locate the closest OOo support center. I can't make that with > Subversion. > > It isn't the point of the main website to provide signup sheets. That's > something > a link to a wiki page can provide. Finding the closest OOo support center > is > something a CGI script can do that has access to read-only data on disk. > Well I have ran main websites for projects for while, and I have missed this functionality many times. We also were very frustrated with Collbanet and other structures asking for true dynamic platform. -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org
Re: Top level question on website migration
On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 3:45 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: > > On Jun 27, 2011, at 1:31 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote: > > > - Original Message > > > >> From: Alexandro Colorado > >> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org > >> Cc: Dave Fisher > >> Sent: Mon, June 27, 2011 4:25:12 PM > >> Subject: Re: Top level question on website migration > >> > >> On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 3:18 PM, Joe Schaefer >wrote: > >> > >>> - Original Message > >>> > >>>> From: Alexandro Colorado > >>>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org > >>>> Cc: Dave Fisher > >>>> Sent: Mon, June 27, 2011 4:06:43 PM > >>>> Subject: Re: Top level question on website migration > >>>> > >>>> On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 2:41 PM, Joe Schaefer < > joe_schae...@yahoo.com > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> - Original Message > >>>>> > >>>>>> From: Alexandro Colorado > >>>>>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org > >>>>>> Cc: Dave Fisher > >>>>>> Sent: Mon, June 27, 2011 3:09:33 PM > >>>>>> Subject: Re: Top level question on website migration > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 2:05 PM, Daniel Shahaf < > >>> d...@daniel.shahaf.name > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Dave Fisher wrote on Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 11:54:20 -0700: > >>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 2011, at 10:55 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: > >>>>>>>>> What about the rest of the questions: > >>>>>>>>> - Do/Will apache.ooo have SSI (PHP/Python/Ruby/Ruby backend)? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> This is a really good question, but apparently not. I think > >>> that > >>>>> there > >>>>>>>> are plenty of reasons for user support to require a dynamic > >>> server, > >>>>>>>> but I think that is a separate discussion. Rob's discussion > >>> about > >>>>> user > >>>>>>>> support ideas and your response has me thinking Open Social. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Server-side includes are supported, eg > >>>>>>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/subversion/site/publish/ > >>>>>>> uses them. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Dynamic content is not supported. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Static content (however generated) is supported. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Is it possible to have some CRUD? > >>>>> > >>>>> Subversion is CRUD, and much more. Really you should take > advantage > >>>>> of what the CMS actually offers. > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> Subversion is NOT CRUD. If I want to add a form to a site, I can't > get > >>> it > >>>> connect the data to a datasource in SVN. > >>> > >>> The sites are static, but they are generated from a subversion tree. > So > >>> no, > >>> you can't "connect to svn" from the site. But look at > www.apache.orgwhich > >>> has lots of "dynamic" content tho it is also uses the CMS. > >>> > >>>> So having a sign up sheet or a > >>>> locate the closest OOo support center. I can't make that with > >>> Subversion. > >>> > >>> It isn't the point of the main website to provide signup sheets. > That's > >>> something > >>> a link to a wiki page can provide. Finding the closest OOo support > center > >>> is > >>> something a CGI script can do that has access to read-only data on > disk. > >>> > >> > >> Well I have ran main websites for projects for while, and I have > missed > >> this functionality many times. We also were very frustrated with > Collbanet > >> and other structures asking for true dynamic platform. > > > > So far the only person I see expressing frustration over the situation is > you. > > If there ever comes a
Re: Top level question on website migration
On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 4:56 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: > > On Jun 27, 2011, at 2:37 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: > > > On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 3:45 PM, Dave Fisher > wrote: > > > >> > >> On Jun 27, 2011, at 1:31 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote: > >> > >>> ----- Original Message > >>> > >>>> From: Alexandro Colorado > >>>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org > >>>> Cc: Dave Fisher > >>>> Sent: Mon, June 27, 2011 4:25:12 PM > >>>> Subject: Re: Top level question on website migration > >>>> > >>>> On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 3:18 PM, Joe Schaefer >>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> - Original Message > >>>>> > >>>>>> From: Alexandro Colorado > >>>>>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org > >>>>>> Cc: Dave Fisher > >>>>>> Sent: Mon, June 27, 2011 4:06:43 PM > >>>>>> Subject: Re: Top level question on website migration > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 2:41 PM, Joe Schaefer < > >> joe_schae...@yahoo.com > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> - Original Message > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> From: Alexandro Colorado > >>>>>>>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org > >>>>>>>> Cc: Dave Fisher > >>>>>>>> Sent: Mon, June 27, 2011 3:09:33 PM > >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Top level question on website migration > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 2:05 PM, Daniel Shahaf < > >>>>> d...@daniel.shahaf.name > >>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Dave Fisher wrote on Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 11:54:20 -0700: > >>>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 2011, at 10:55 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> What about the rest of the questions: > >>>>>>>>>>> - Do/Will apache.ooo have SSI (PHP/Python/Ruby/Ruby > backend)? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> This is a really good question, but apparently not. I think > >>>>> that > >>>>>>> there > >>>>>>>>>> are plenty of reasons for user support to require a dynamic > >>>>> server, > >>>>>>>>>> but I think that is a separate discussion. Rob's discussion > >>>>> about > >>>>>>> user > >>>>>>>>>> support ideas and your response has me thinking Open Social. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Server-side includes are supported, eg > >>>>>>>>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/subversion/site/publish/ > >>>>>>>>> uses them. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Dynamic content is not supported. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Static content (however generated) is supported. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Is it possible to have some CRUD? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Subversion is CRUD, and much more. Really you should take > >> advantage > >>>>>>> of what the CMS actually offers. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Subversion is NOT CRUD. If I want to add a form to a site, I can't > >> get > >>>>> it > >>>>>> connect the data to a datasource in SVN. > >>>>> > >>>>> The sites are static, but they are generated from a subversion tree. > >> So > >>>>> no, > >>>>> you can't "connect to svn" from the site. But look at > >> www.apache.orgwhich > >>>>> has lots of "dynamic" content tho it is also uses the CMS. > >>>>> > >>>>>> So having a sign up sheet or a > >>>>>> locate the closest OOo support center. I can't make that
Re: Please add your name to the contributors page
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 2:03 PM, Rob Weir wrote: > http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/people.html > > I've updated the page to have a table rather than just a flat list. > Every committer should add themselves to the list, as well as ever > other person who is contributing via the the discussion lists, wiki, > etc. You're all contributors to the project. > Maybe handlers should be included as well since seen the other commiter tables they all had handlers. Is also easier to identify under the commit logs. If there is any issue, feel free to do a regression. > > Committers should follow the instruction here, to learn how to use the > CMS to edit the web site: > > http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/docs/edit-cms.html > > This is an essential project skill, so if you have not already studied > that page, it would be good to take this as an opportunity to pick up > this skill. If you are a programmer, comfortable with Subversion, the > the command line instructions are easy. If you would prefer the web > interface, then skip down to where it says "Editing in the browser". > > For contributors who are not committers, you would need to submit a > patch with your information to the list. > > In addition to ensuring that everyone understands how to update the > web site, this is also a good opportunity to build a quick directory > of what skills project members have. > > Regards, > > -Rob > -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org
Re: Please add your name to the contributors page
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 2:41 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: > > > On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 2:03 PM, Rob Weir wrote: > >> http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/people.html >> >> I've updated the page to have a table rather than just a flat list. >> Every committer should add themselves to the list, as well as ever >> other person who is contributing via the the discussion lists, wiki, >> etc. You're all contributors to the project. >> > > Maybe handlers should be included as well since seen the other commiter > tables they all had handlers. Is also easier to identify under the commit > logs. > If there is any issue, feel free to do a regression. > might also be a good idea to have a markdown style table so it's easier to edit for everyone. HTML tables are pretty verbosed and hard to read. > > >> >> Committers should follow the instruction here, to learn how to use the >> CMS to edit the web site: >> >> http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/docs/edit-cms.html >> >> This is an essential project skill, so if you have not already studied >> that page, it would be good to take this as an opportunity to pick up >> this skill. If you are a programmer, comfortable with Subversion, the >> the command line instructions are easy. If you would prefer the web >> interface, then skip down to where it says "Editing in the browser". >> >> For contributors who are not committers, you would need to submit a >> patch with your information to the list. >> >> In addition to ensuring that everyone understands how to update the >> web site, this is also a good opportunity to build a quick directory >> of what skills project members have. >> >> Regards, >> >> -Rob >> > > > > -- > *Alexandro Colorado* > *OpenOffice.org* Español > http://es.openoffice.org > > -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org
Re: Please add your name to the contributors page
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 3:04 PM, Rob Weir wrote: > Is there markdown text for tables? I looked around and did not find > anything. > MoinMoin uses an ascii art-like, googling I found many examples using the sameone. http://www.leancrew.com/all-this/2008/08/tables-for-markdown-and-textmate/ | header | header | header | |---||---| | content | content | content | > > -Rob > > On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Alexandro Colorado > wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 2:41 PM, Alexandro Colorado >wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 2:03 PM, Rob Weir wrote: > >> > >>> http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/people.html > >>> > >>> I've updated the page to have a table rather than just a flat list. > >>> Every committer should add themselves to the list, as well as ever > >>> other person who is contributing via the the discussion lists, wiki, > >>> etc. You're all contributors to the project. > >>> > >> > >> Maybe handlers should be included as well since seen the other commiter > >> tables they all had handlers. Is also easier to identify under the > commit > >> logs. > >> If there is any issue, feel free to do a regression. > >> > > > > might also be a good idea to have a markdown style table so it's easier > to > > edit for everyone. HTML tables are pretty verbosed and hard to read. > > > > > >> > >> > >>> > >>> Committers should follow the instruction here, to learn how to use the > >>> CMS to edit the web site: > >>> > >>> http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/docs/edit-cms.html > >>> > >>> This is an essential project skill, so if you have not already studied > >>> that page, it would be good to take this as an opportunity to pick up > >>> this skill. If you are a programmer, comfortable with Subversion, the > >>> the command line instructions are easy. If you would prefer the web > >>> interface, then skip down to where it says "Editing in the browser". > >>> > >>> For contributors who are not committers, you would need to submit a > >>> patch with your information to the list. > >>> > >>> In addition to ensuring that everyone understands how to update the > >>> web site, this is also a good opportunity to build a quick directory > >>> of what skills project members have. > >>> > >>> Regards, > >>> > >>> -Rob > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> *Alexandro Colorado* > >> *OpenOffice.org* Español > >> http://es.openoffice.org > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > *Alexandro Colorado* > > *OpenOffice.org* Español > > http://es.openoffice.org > > > -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org
HTML5 page?
I am vewing the templates in the OOo site, got a question about this? Should we go HTML5? It wouldn't impact so much on it, just add some of the new tags like , , etc. These markups are backward compatible in the sense that it wont bother other browsers and mere structured tags. Quick list of new elements: http://w3schools.com/html5/html5_new_elements.asp CSS3 is where it migh get cool with some gradients, and canvas which before was done by adding bitmaps, improved fonts etc. http://www.w3schools.com/css3/css3_reference.asp -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org
Re: Please add your name to the contributors page
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 5:27 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: > Of course I do not wanted to sort it now. Just to "search" for a majority > opinion. ;-) > A minor reason why CRUD and SSI is useful. :) I'll take this as a +1 on my petition to have something smart like PHP/Python/Ruby running on the backend. > > Marcus > > > > Am 06/28/2011 11:50 PM, schrieb Rob Weir: > > It looks like half the people are sorting by surname while the other >> half are sorting by given name. The results are quite interesting. >> >> I'd suggest waiting for the table's contents to stabilize and then >> sort it. If you sort it now, it will become only partially sorted in >> another 8 hours. >> >> -Rob >> >> On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 5:39 PM, Marcus (OOo) >> wrote: >> >>> Next point for clarification: >>> >>> How to sort this table? >>> >>> I would prefer by last name. >>> >>> Marcus >>> >>> >>> >>> Am 06/28/2011 11:02 PM, schrieb Rob Weir: >>> >>>> >>>> OK. That appears to work, though the wiki-like syntax did not. >>>> >>>> The downside is that the web-preview with that syntax does not >>>> preview. But if you use the HTML tags directly, it does preview >>>> correctly. >>>> >>>> So what will lead to more errors: markdown syntax with no preview? >>>> Or HTML syntax with preview? >>>> >>>> -Rob >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 4:15 PM, Alexandro Colorado >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 3:04 PM, Rob Weir >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Is there markdown text for tables? I looked around and did not find >>>>>> anything. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> MoinMoin uses an ascii art-like, googling I found many examples using >>>>> the >>>>> sameone. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://www.leancrew.com/all-this/2008/08/tables-for-markdown-and-textmate/ >>>>> >>>>> | header | header | header | >>>>> |---||---| >>>>> | content | content | content | >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> -Rob >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Alexandro Colorado< >>>>>> j...@openoffice.org> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 2:41 PM, Alexandro Colorado< >>>>>>> j...@openoffice.org >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 2:03 PM, Rob Weir >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/people.html >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I've updated the page to have a table rather than just a flat list. >>>>>>>>> Every committer should add themselves to the list, as well as ever >>>>>>>>> other person who is contributing via the the discussion lists, >>>>>>>>> wiki, >>>>>>>>> etc. You're all contributors to the project. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Maybe handlers should be included as well since seen the other >>>>>>>> commiter >>>>>>>> tables they all had handlers. Is also easier to identify under the >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> commit >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> logs. >>>>>>>> If there is any issue, feel free to do a regression. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> might also be a good idea to have a markdown style table so it's >>>>>>> easier >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> to >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> edit for everyone. HTML tables are pretty verbosed and hard to read. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Committers should follow the instruction here, to learn how to use >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> CMS to edit the web site: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/docs/edit-cms.html >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This is an essential project skill, so if you have not already >>>>>>>>> studied >>>>>>>>> that page, it would be good to take this as an opportunity to pick >>>>>>>>> up >>>>>>>>> this skill. If you are a programmer, comfortable with Subversion, >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> the command line instructions are easy. If you would prefer the >>>>>>>>> web >>>>>>>>> interface, then skip down to where it says "Editing in the >>>>>>>>> browser". >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> For contributors who are not committers, you would need to submit a >>>>>>>>> patch with your information to the list. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> In addition to ensuring that everyone understands how to update the >>>>>>>>> web site, this is also a good opportunity to build a quick >>>>>>>>> directory >>>>>>>>> of what skills project members have. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -Rob >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org
Re: Please add your name to the contributors page
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 5:39 PM, Jean Hollis Weber wrote: > On Tue, 2011-06-28 at 15:03 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: > > http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/people.html > > > > I've updated the page to have a table rather than just a flat list. > > Every committer should add themselves to the list, as well as ever > > other person who is contributing via the the discussion lists, wiki, > > etc. You're all contributors to the project. > > > > Committers should follow the instruction here, to learn how to use the > > CMS to edit the web site: > > > > http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/docs/edit-cms.html > > > > This is an essential project skill, so if you have not already studied > > that page, it would be good to take this as an opportunity to pick up > > this skill. If you are a programmer, comfortable with Subversion, the > > the command line instructions are easy. If you would prefer the web > > interface, then skip down to where it says "Editing in the browser". > > > > For contributors who are not committers, you would need to submit a > > patch with your information to the list. > > > > In addition to ensuring that everyone understands how to update the > > web site, this is also a good opportunity to build a quick directory > > of what skills project members have. > > > I sure am glad there is a web interface, as I don't have time (or any > real need for the forseeable future) to learn how to "commit" anything > using Subversion. The only thing I normally commit is mayhem, and I'll > try to minimise that here. > Hahaha... good one, althought is not as difficult as you might think. > > --Jean > > -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org
Re: Scope of Apache license: what needs to be covered?
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 6:05 PM, Jean Hollis Weber wrote: > Sam, > > To make sure I understand your answer to Rob, could you please clarify > for me: > > What about user-oriented documentation (user guides, tutorials, etc, as > listed by Rob)? > > Or was that covered by your answer at the bottom of your note, about > making a concrete proposal for presentation to legal-discuss? I couldn't > tell if that applied only to things for inclusion in an official release > (Rob's item 2), or if it applied also to things not included in a > release but provided on the AOOo website or wiki (Rob's item 1). > > I am asking, of course, because the independent ODFAuthors group, which > has been producing the OOo user guides, would like to continue doing do > for AOOo, while remaining independent. > Sorry for jumping in but it seems there is an missunderstading between Rob and the ODFAuthor project. I think the ODFAuthor was in the position of many quasi-independent groups like the OOo NGOs and others. ODF provided a quasi official documentation effort. I say quasi, because it wasnt really integrated with the documentation.openoffice.org group. AFAIK there is no documentation.openoffice.org group anymore. At least I havent seen much people step in from that group. So the default fallback in the ODFAuthors. However there is the use of the name as independent source. I think that is on the clear, and was never an issue there. However the actual question is regarding if this will be a fully official effort or not, and if it is, then how can we make it possible. For example Apache have their own license for documentation, but ODFAuthors actually have a different goal with the docs than Apache. > > Thanks! > > --Jean > > On Tue, 2011-06-28 at 12:58 -0400, Sam Ruby wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 12:27 PM, Rob Weir wrote: > > > > > > 1) Are there any required license issues that we need to heed related > > > to our website? Assume for sake of argument that we're talking about > > > web site content that never becomes part of a release. So user > > > guides, tutorials, as-is document templates that users could download, > > > 3rd party plugins, additional 3rd party translation packs, user > > > forums, etc. Is there any requirement that these all be harmonized on > > > Apache 2.0 and compatible licenses? Or can we have a mix of licenses > > > to that content, hosted by Apache in a sufficiently sand boxed > > > environment? > > > > > > In other words, are the project's websites and all that we host at > > > Apache required to be under an Apache-compatible license? Or can we > > > have copyleft "extras" that we host, with caveats, but do not build > > > ourselves or include in our releases? > > > > We generally don't host third party plugins, be they copyleft, > > proprietary, or even under the Apache License. One place that such > > could be placed is: > > > > http://code.google.com/a/apache-extras.org/hosting/ > > > > > 2) If an existing independent group wishes to remain independent, and > > > develop documentation or translations, or other similar modules, and > > > then contribute it to the Apache OpenOffice project for inclusion in > > > an official release, can this be done? Assume that the work is made > > > available to us under a compatible license, so it is (in that sense) > > > allowable in a release. > > > > > > Is there any mechanism for an Apache project to routinely accept and > > > release such modules? Or would this require an SGA/Incubation > > > proposal each time? Or is there any streamlined way of doing this? > > > > If there is an acceptable concrete proposal on how to deal with this > > was presented to legal-discuss what the likely outcome of that > > discussion would be is a narrowly crafted exception allowing this. > > > > I do not see cc-by as a likely red flag. > > > > I would like to see some evidence that project members are able to > participate. > > > > I would also like to see some evidence that project members endorse this. > > > > Certainly, other topics may come up in the discussion, but those would > > be areas I would seek to provide concrete answers to before posting to > > legal-discuss. > > > > > I'm not arguing that #1 or #2 is a good idea or not. But some > > > conversations seem to be leading to these directions, so I think it is > > > worth clarifying exactly what is allowed. > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > -Rob > > > > - Sam Ruby > > > > > > -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org
OOo site down
Hi the OOo site has been down for the most part of the day, it affects people (like me) that have OOo addresses. -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org
Re: OOo site down
Got my email back, thanks for the updates. On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 2:43 PM, Andrew Rist wrote: > > On 6/29/2011 12:29 PM, Reizinger Zoltán wrote: > >> 2011.06.29. 21:22 keltezéssel, Alexandro Colorado írta: >> >>> Hi the OOo site has been down for the most part of the day, it affects >>> people (like me) that have OOo addresses. >>> >>> If I know correctly some server room overheating/cooling failure, cause >> this. >> See http://twitter.com/#!/ProjectKenai, it is in same place where OOo >> sites, ODFToolkit, etc. sits. >> Zoltan >> > Sorry for the inconvenience Alexandro. > The servers are unavailable - the ProjectKenai twitter feed seems to be > updated with the current status. > This is in no way related to the decommissioning of the OOo website. > Andrew > -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org
Re: OOo site down
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 7:07 PM, Rob Weir wrote: > Alexandro, were the posts sent to the list today just queued up and > eventually delivered? Or did they bounce during the outage? > they queued. seems things are back to normal now. > > -Rob > > On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 6:38 PM, Alexandro Colorado > wrote: > > Got my email back, thanks for the updates. > > > > On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 2:43 PM, Andrew Rist > wrote: > > > >> > >> On 6/29/2011 12:29 PM, Reizinger Zoltán wrote: > >> > >>> 2011.06.29. 21:22 keltezéssel, Alexandro Colorado írta: > >>> > >>>> Hi the OOo site has been down for the most part of the day, it affects > >>>> people (like me) that have OOo addresses. > >>>> > >>>> If I know correctly some server room overheating/cooling failure, > cause > >>> this. > >>> See http://twitter.com/#!/ProjectKenai, it is in same place where OOo > >>> sites, ODFToolkit, etc. sits. > >>> Zoltan > >>> > >> Sorry for the inconvenience Alexandro. > >> The servers are unavailable - the ProjectKenai twitter feed seems to be > >> updated with the current status. > >> This is in no way related to the decommissioning of the OOo website. > >> Andrew > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > *Alexandro Colorado* > > *OpenOffice.org* Español > > http://es.openoffice.org > > > -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org
Re: Naming of trunk and feature branches
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 8:45 AM, Greg Stein wrote: > Yes, very much clearer. Thanks! > > Whatever ever we decide on the name, it will be "Apache $something". We > know > that much, but I don't think the community has (yet) tried to figure out > what $something should be. OpenOffice? OpenOffice.org? Office? ... or > something entirely new like Apache Alfred. > Which community is that? AFAIK is quite the opposite. I think that OpenOffice.org is the name, Apache pre-face is optional. We never named Sun StarOffice (for example). It's always been OpenOffice.org. > > From there, I think we can figure out the public short names. > > Cheers, > -g > On Jun 29, 2011 9:33 AM, "Marcus (OOo)" wrote: > -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org
Re: Naming of trunk and feature branches
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 8:33 AM, Marcus (OOo) wrote:
> Sorry, it seems I wasn't clear enough.
>
> I don't think about how to name directories and files in the SVN repo
> itself. Sure we can stick with the schema like it is done in other projects.
> It's more a general thing how to present trunk and branches to the outside.
>
> E.g., when we release bits we have to make clear into which direction they
> point. It's a difference if we use a name like "branch 3.4.x" or tell the
> people it's "OOO 3.4.0" or maybe "AOOO 3.4.0".
>
> So, I don't think that a trailing 0 is not ? when it is the 3.4.0 release.
> And the OOO is still necessary to show it's from our project. Of course it
> could be "AOOO" or whatever we will agree to.
>
> How to name the release files is another thing. There should be a clear
> structure to keep it simple and straight for scripts. But this is a topic
> for later.
>
> I hope it's more clear now. ;-)
>
My bad also misconstruct the naming conversation. Well we used to have
different branches each with a name OOODEV was for the always development
branch and OOO for the actual release branches.
So usually they got rid of the dots for clarity, and added a m for
milestone:
http://development.openoffice.org/releases/
and DEV:
http://development.openoffice.org/releases/dev_index.html
>
> Marcus
>
>
>
> Am 06/29/2011 03:03 PM, schrieb Greg Stein:
>
> On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 08:09, Marcus (OOo) wrote:
>>
>>> With the discussions about the master and feature branches, the following
>>> question comes to my mind.
>>>
>>> What about this naming schema for master and feature branches? *)
>>>
>>> In the past we had the following:
>>>
>>> DEV300 = master/trunk/head
>>> This will never lead to a release
>>>
>>
>> We're using Subversion, and nearly every svn repository across the
>> planet names this "trunk". Unless there is a specific reason to vary
>> from that, I don't see why we'd want to name the directory "DEV300".
>>
>> OOO340 = branch
>>> Branched from a specific DEV300 milestone to stablize the code when
>>> coming
>>> closer to a specific release (here: OOo 3.4)
>>>
>>
>> Branches can be named whatever we'd like. My own preference would be
>> to call this: /branches/3.4.x
>>
>> The "OOO" is awfully redundant, and the last digit ("0") doesn't make
>> sense since we would be releasing patches from the branch such as
>> 3.4.1. The "3.4.x" naming is used by many products, and it has worked
>> out very well.
>>
>
>
--
*Alexandro Colorado*
*OpenOffice.org* Español
http://es.openoffice.org
Re: Build-Translate-Plan
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 8:11 AM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: > Right. Maybe we should split this into 2 parts: > > 1. The very first build(s) to handle fixes for build breaker: > IMHO here it should be enough to have en-US only > > 2. If this is done the next builds can be also used for looking into the > localizations. > > We had the following set of languages for our developer milestones (DEV300 > and OOO340): > - English (US) as master language > - German due to historical reasons and we had the most testers here > - French for the same reason IMHO and long strings > - Japanese due the CJK characters and to test RTL writing > - Russian due to Cyrillic charachters > - Arabic due to the characters and to test bidi writing > > So, we could stick with this (or maybe exchange the one or other language > if is no volunteer to test at the moments, maybe French --> > Brazilian-Portuguese ?). > Spanish would be good. I did submit a petition a few months back for this. Portuguese is a split language between portugal and brasil. Althought most of the romance language shared the same locales issues like long strings. > > --- > > 3. Tests for release builds are out of scope at the moment, but more > language tests the better. > > BTW: > We have also smoke tests. If I'm not wrong these should be included in the > source code. > > Marcus > > > > Am 06/29/2011 02:35 PM, schrieb Rob Weir: > >> It might be useful to make a distinction between two things: >> >> 1) What is needed to have a successful first build? >> ( >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Build-Translate-Plan >> ) >> >> 2) What is needed to have a successful first release? >> ( >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Release-Translate-Plan >> ) >> >> For a first build, I think our main task will be to ensure that we >> didn't break anything by moving over from Oracle's servers to Apache >> servers. We want to define a simple set of tests that could be done >> after the initial move. But we would also want to run these tests on >> a regular basis,even daily. At work we call these "smoke tests". I >> don't know what the equivalent name is for OOo. >> >> So what is the easiest test that we can do to verify that localization >> is not broken in OOo? >> >> >> For a public release, this will be much more complicated. >> >> >> -Rob >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 8:23 AM, Marcus (OOo) >> wrote: >> >>> IMHO you can do such little changes without to ask. >>> >>> We should extended the languages to Russian (due to Cyrillic letters) and >>> Portuguese resp. Brazilian-Portuguese (due to long compared to other >>> languages). >>> >>> Marcus >>> >>> >>> >>> Am 06/29/2011 01:46 PM, schrieb Kazunari Hirano: >>> >>>> >>>> As we see Plan Matrix, >>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Project+Planning >>>> Build-Translate-Plan will be one of our first jobs :) >>>> >>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Build-Translate-Plan >>>> Can you read my comments on the page above? >>>> >>>> Can I delete the previous list and start the new list? >>>> >>> -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org
Re: Speaking of JIRA, Where's Ours?
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Rob Weir wrote: > I'd like to reopen this question,since I haven't seen a resolution. > > I'm hearing some proposing Bugzilla, because of familiarity and ease > of migration. > > I'm also hearing some say that JIRA is superior. > > I'm not really persuaded by either argument. I wonder if we could > briefly drill down into this a bit more. > > 1) I read that the OOo bugzilla has been customized. Can anyone > explain the nature of the customizations? > > 2) In what sense if JIRA better? IMHO all defect tracking systems > suck. But I'm open to the possibility that some suck less. > > 3) On migration, would it be reasonable to attempt a sandboxed trial > migration of Bugzilla to JIRA, and let skeptics poke at it for a > while, to see if, for example, IDs are preserved, etc.? Would that be > much work? The easiest way to convince people that JIRA is possible > and reasonable might be to actually do it. > > 4) What are the downsides of Bugzilla? If it is a supported option at > Apache, wouldn't that be the obvious choice? I think we'd need to > make a good case for why an alternative would be better. What are, > say, the top 3 things that JIRA would do better than Bugzilla? > I can argually say that both suck, the issue tracker that I have seen easiest is the one provided by google code. The problem with that tracker is that I am not sure is doable for larger projects. The biggest hump of using an issue tracker is locating the right people (subcomponent) to get the issue to, or asigning a developer to it. whcih most times is not aparent. The previous OOo (Collabnet) supported templates which fill out your issue tracker in order to submit the issues faster. However I found not many people really used it. I can go to JIRA and find the feature list and compare it with Bugzilla, and I can see there are some minor advantages, but I agree that the familiarity of bugzilla is usually lower the learning curve for most people. I mean whats the point of having a better issue tracker if the users don't get it right away? > > -Rob > > > On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 12:44 PM, Dave Fisher > wrote: > > > > On Jun 16, 2011, at 9:17 AM, Mathias Bauer wrote: > > > >> On 16.06.2011 16:45, Christian Lohmaier wrote: > >>> Hi *, > >>> > >>> (to moderators: I guess the list software used checks on Sender, not > >>> on From - so if you need to review this message, please add the sender > >>> address to a "allowed posters" lists for both dev and notifications > >>> please) > >>> > >>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 1:03 PM, Marcus Lange > wrote: > >>>> > >>>> I would prefer Bugzilla, too. We have already migrated recently to > this, so > >>>> transition would be much easier to bring it into Apache. And because > of > >>>> OOo's project size I would also like to see a new instance. > >>> > >>> Not because of project size, but also for the sake of preserving the > >>> issue-numbers that are spread all over the place, last but not least > >>> in the code itself. > >>> > >>> So whatever you choose, make sure that there is a way to get form > >>> #i1234# to the actual bug that corresponds to the id. > >> > >> Yes, keeping issue ids is the most important thing. Which bug tracker we > use would be a second order priority for me. > > > > There seems to be consensus. > > > > (1) We must somehow preserve the old bugzilla ids. > > > > (2) There is no clear preference on Bugzilla over JIRA. > > > > I think that we need to ask the infrastructure team what they think about > the situation. > > > > Regards, > > Dave > -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org
Re: Naming of trunk and feature branches
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 9:46 AM, Marcus (OOo) wrote:
> Am 06/30/2011 04:03 AM, schrieb Alexandro Colorado:
>
> On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 8:33 AM, Marcus (OOo)
>> wrote:
>>
>> Sorry, it seems I wasn't clear enough.
>>>
>>> I don't think about how to name directories and files in the SVN repo
>>> itself. Sure we can stick with the schema like it is done in other
>>> projects.
>>> It's more a general thing how to present trunk and branches to the
>>> outside.
>>>
>>> E.g., when we release bits we have to make clear into which direction
>>> they
>>> point. It's a difference if we use a name like "branch 3.4.x" or tell the
>>> people it's "OOO 3.4.0" or maybe "AOOO 3.4.0".
>>>
>>> So, I don't think that a trailing 0 is not ? when it is the 3.4.0
>>> release.
>>> And the OOO is still necessary to show it's from our project. Of course
>>> it
>>> could be "AOOO" or whatever we will agree to.
>>>
>>> How to name the release files is another thing. There should be a clear
>>> structure to keep it simple and straight for scripts. But this is a topic
>>> for later.
>>>
>>> I hope it's more clear now. ;-)
>>>
>>>
>> My bad also misconstruct the naming conversation. Well we used to have
>> different branches each with a name OOODEV was for the always development
>> branch and OOO for the actual release branches.
>>
>
> I don't remember OOODEV as a name somewhere.
>
>
> So usually they got rid of the dots for clarity, and added a m for
>> milestone:
>> http://development.openoffice.org/releases/
>> and DEV:
>> http://development.openoffice.org/releases/dev_index.html
>>
>
> I'm sorry but I don't understand what you want to express with the both
> links. Please can you describe it in other words?
>
I am pointing you to the naming of the branches and their dinamics. Isn't
that what you were addressing at first? Not sure what you mean by not
remembering OOODEV as a name, after you saw the link with the OOODEV branch.
>
> Thanks
>
>
> Marcus
>
>
>
> Am 06/29/2011 03:03 PM, schrieb Greg Stein:
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 08:09, Marcus (OOo)
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> With the discussions about the master and feature branches, the
>>>>> following
>>>>> question comes to my mind.
>>>>>
>>>>> What about this naming schema for master and feature branches? *)
>>>>>
>>>>> In the past we had the following:
>>>>>
>>>>> DEV300 = master/trunk/head
>>>>> This will never lead to a release
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> We're using Subversion, and nearly every svn repository across the
>>>> planet names this "trunk". Unless there is a specific reason to vary
>>>> from that, I don't see why we'd want to name the directory "DEV300".
>>>>
>>>> OOO340 = branch
>>>>
>>>>> Branched from a specific DEV300 milestone to stablize the code when
>>>>> coming
>>>>> closer to a specific release (here: OOo 3.4)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Branches can be named whatever we'd like. My own preference would be
>>>> to call this: /branches/3.4.x
>>>>
>>>> The "OOO" is awfully redundant, and the last digit ("0") doesn't make
>>>> sense since we would be releasing patches from the branch such as
>>>> 3.4.1. The "3.4.x" naming is used by many products, and it has worked
>>>> out very well.
>>>>
>>>
--
*Alexandro Colorado*
*OpenOffice.org* Español
http://es.openoffice.org
Re: Naming of trunk and feature branches
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 10:13 AM, Marcus (OOo) wrote:
> Am 07/01/2011 04:56 PM, schrieb Alexandro Colorado:
>
> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 9:46 AM, Marcus (OOo)
>> wrote:
>>
>> Am 06/30/2011 04:03 AM, schrieb Alexandro Colorado:
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 8:33 AM, Marcus (OOo)
>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Sorry, it seems I wasn't clear enough.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't think about how to name directories and files in the SVN repo
>>>>> itself. Sure we can stick with the schema like it is done in other
>>>>> projects.
>>>>> It's more a general thing how to present trunk and branches to the
>>>>> outside.
>>>>>
>>>>> E.g., when we release bits we have to make clear into which direction
>>>>> they
>>>>> point. It's a difference if we use a name like "branch 3.4.x" or tell
>>>>> the
>>>>> people it's "OOO 3.4.0" or maybe "AOOO 3.4.0".
>>>>>
>>>>> So, I don't think that a trailing 0 is not ? when it is the 3.4.0
>>>>> release.
>>>>> And the OOO is still necessary to show it's from our project. Of course
>>>>> it
>>>>> could be "AOOO" or whatever we will agree to.
>>>>>
>>>>> How to name the release files is another thing. There should be a clear
>>>>> structure to keep it simple and straight for scripts. But this is a
>>>>> topic
>>>>> for later.
>>>>>
>>>>> I hope it's more clear now. ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> My bad also misconstruct the naming conversation. Well we used to have
>>>> different branches each with a name OOODEV was for the always
>>>> development
>>>> branch and OOO for the actual release branches.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I don't remember OOODEV as a name somewhere.
>>>
>>> So usually they got rid of the dots for clarity, and added a m for
>>>
>>>> milestone:
>>>> http://development.openoffice.org/releases/
>>>> and DEV:
>>>> http://development.openoffice.org/releases/dev_index.html
>>>>
>>>
>>> I'm sorry but I don't understand what you want to express with the both
>>> links. Please can you describe it in other words?
>>>
>>
>> I am pointing you to the naming of the branches and their dinamics. Isn't
>> that what you were addressing at first? Not sure what you mean by not
>>
>
> Yes, that's right.
>
>
> remembering OOODEV as a name, after you saw the link with the OOODEV
>> branch.
>>
>
> There is no OOODEV on the webpage. It's speaking about DEV and OOO
> milestones.
You sure? there is the unstable codeline:
http://development.openoffice.org/releases/dev_index.html#dev300
You dont get the OOO till the actual filename download. I guess it was
getting long.
>
>
> Marcus
>
>
>
> Am 06/29/2011 03:03 PM, schrieb Greg Stein:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 08:09, Marcus (OOo)
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> With the discussions about the master and feature branches, the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> following
>>>>>>> question comes to my mind.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What about this naming schema for master and feature branches? *)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In the past we had the following:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> DEV300 = master/trunk/head
>>>>>>> This will never lead to a release
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We're using Subversion, and nearly every svn repository across the
>>>>>> planet names this "trunk". Unless there is a specific reason to vary
>>>>>> from that, I don't see why we'd want to name the directory "DEV300".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> OOO340 = branch
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Branched from a specific DEV300 milestone to stablize the code when
>>>>>>> coming
>>>>>>> closer to a specific release (here: OOo 3.4)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Branches can be named whatever we'd like. My own preference would be
>>>>>> to call this: /branches/3.4.x
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The "OOO" is awfully redundant, and the last digit ("0") doesn't make
>>>>>> sense since we would be releasing patches from the branch such as
>>>>>> 3.4.1. The "3.4.x" naming is used by many products, and it has worked
>>>>>> out very well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
--
*Alexandro Colorado*
*OpenOffice.org* Español
http://es.openoffice.org
Re: Naming of trunk and feature branches
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 10:20 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote:
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 10:13 AM, Marcus (OOo) wrote:
>
>> Am 07/01/2011 04:56 PM, schrieb Alexandro Colorado:
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 9:46 AM, Marcus (OOo)
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Am 06/30/2011 04:03 AM, schrieb Alexandro Colorado:
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 8:33 AM, Marcus (OOo)
>>>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry, it seems I wasn't clear enough.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't think about how to name directories and files in the SVN repo
>>>>>> itself. Sure we can stick with the schema like it is done in other
>>>>>> projects.
>>>>>> It's more a general thing how to present trunk and branches to the
>>>>>> outside.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> E.g., when we release bits we have to make clear into which direction
>>>>>> they
>>>>>> point. It's a difference if we use a name like "branch 3.4.x" or tell
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> people it's "OOO 3.4.0" or maybe "AOOO 3.4.0".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, I don't think that a trailing 0 is not ? when it is the 3.4.0
>>>>>> release.
>>>>>> And the OOO is still necessary to show it's from our project. Of
>>>>>> course
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> could be "AOOO" or whatever we will agree to.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How to name the release files is another thing. There should be a
>>>>>> clear
>>>>>> structure to keep it simple and straight for scripts. But this is a
>>>>>> topic
>>>>>> for later.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I hope it's more clear now. ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My bad also misconstruct the naming conversation. Well we used to
>>>>> have
>>>>> different branches each with a name OOODEV was for the always
>>>>> development
>>>>> branch and OOO for the actual release branches.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I don't remember OOODEV as a name somewhere.
>>>>
>>>> So usually they got rid of the dots for clarity, and added a m for
>>>>
>>>>> milestone:
>>>>> http://development.openoffice.org/releases/
>>>>> and DEV:
>>>>> http://development.openoffice.org/releases/dev_index.html
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm sorry but I don't understand what you want to express with the both
>>>> links. Please can you describe it in other words?
>>>>
>>>
>>> I am pointing you to the naming of the branches and their dinamics. Isn't
>>> that what you were addressing at first? Not sure what you mean by not
>>>
>>
>> Yes, that's right.
>>
>>
>> remembering OOODEV as a name, after you saw the link with the OOODEV
>>> branch.
>>>
>>
>> There is no OOODEV on the webpage. It's speaking about DEV and OOO
>> milestones.
>
>
> You sure? there is the unstable codeline:
> http://development.openoffice.org/releases/dev_index.html#dev300
> You dont get the OOO till the actual filename download. I guess it was
> getting long.
>
If you go to the latest DEV300m106
http://development.openoffice.org/releases/DEV300m106_snapshot.html
you'll see:
This snapshot build will install as OOo-Dev 3.4.
>
>
>>
>>
>> Marcus
>>
>>
>>
>> Am 06/29/2011 03:03 PM, schrieb Greg Stein:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 08:09, Marcus (OOo)
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> With the discussions about the master and feature branches, the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> following
>>>>>>>> question comes to my mind.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What about this naming schema for master and feature branches? *)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In the past we had the following:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> DEV300 = master/trunk/head
>>>>>>>> This will never lead to a release
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We're using Subversion, and nearly every svn repository across the
>>>>>>> planet names this "trunk". Unless there is a specific reason to vary
>>>>>>> from that, I don't see why we'd want to name the directory "DEV300".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OOO340 = branch
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Branched from a specific DEV300 milestone to stablize the code when
>>>>>>>> coming
>>>>>>>> closer to a specific release (here: OOo 3.4)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Branches can be named whatever we'd like. My own preference would
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>> to call this: /branches/3.4.x
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The "OOO" is awfully redundant, and the last digit ("0") doesn't make
>>>>>>> sense since we would be releasing patches from the branch such as
>>>>>>> 3.4.1. The "3.4.x" naming is used by many products, and it has worked
>>>>>>> out very well.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>
>
> --
> *Alexandro Colorado*
> *OpenOffice.org* Español
> http://es.openoffice.org
>
>
--
*Alexandro Colorado*
*OpenOffice.org* Español
http://es.openoffice.org
Re: [CONF] Apache OpenOffice.org Community > OpenOffice Domains
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 7:46 PM, Greg Stein wrote: > Awesome. Thanks, Dave! > > On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 19:34, Dave Fisher wrote: > > I know. I'm working on it. I've turned it off for the moment and I am > experimenting with my own account. > > > > Thanks for noticing. More next week. > Did some more annotations of the Incubation projects and some of the Accepted. > > > > On Jul 1, 2011, at 4:20 PM, Greg Stein wrote: > > > >> Hrm. This isn't showing a diff. Is there a setting to make that > >> happen? Just displaying the whole page isn't very useful :-( > >> > >> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 17:23, wrote: > >>> Space: Apache OpenOffice.org Community ( > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS) > >>> Page: OpenOffice Domains ( > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/OpenOffice+Domains) > >>> > >>> Change Comment: > >>> - > >>> Another innocuous change - making sure notifications are set properly. > >>> > >>> Edited by David Fisher: > >>> ----- > >>> *After checking a few random entries here, all these domains seem to > exist on one physical server.* > >>> > >>> h1. Accepted Projects > >>> ... > > > > > -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org
Re: Releasing OOo 3.4 on the old infrastructure
On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 11:27 AM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: > On 19/06/2011 Andrea Pescetti wrote: > > Would it be possible to release OOo 3.4 on the old (Oracle-owned) > > infrastructure, and maybe take advantage of this release to educate > > users and volunteers about the coming new infrastructure at Apache? > > ... I take for granted that the community would support this proposal > > (for one, the Italian community spent weeks to get the OOo 3.4 strings > > 100% translated into Italian, and our QA team is ready to start full > > testing any moment). Would developers and release managers support this > > too? > > All reactions on this old mail I sent have been positive, but we still > miss an answer from developers. In my opinion this is an occasion not to > miss for at least the following three reasons, comments welcome. > > 1) Releasing OpenOffice.org 3.4 must not be seen as the last activity on > the old infrastructure, but as the first activity of the new Apache > project. Dozens of tools are used to coordinate an OOo release, and > for us experienced OOo volunteers it will surely be better to explain > and revise tools and processes in front of a concrete example rather > than describing them in abstract to new members. > > 2) OpenOffice.org 3.4 is mostly ready. I built the latest code from hg > a couple weeks ago and I've regularly used it so far. The quality is > good and there is no risk of damaging the OOo reputation. All > release stoppers are bugs that will have to be fixed anyway, and > fixing them later will require the same amount of time. > > 3) The amazing people who joined this project cover all areas needed > for a successful release. This is the only group that can coordinate > a successful release (bugfixing, QA, distribution) of OpenOffice.org > 3.4, and use the experience to educate old and new community members > to the Apache way and, on the other side, to the OOo processes. > > We have a huge community that is ready now and that becomes very active > only when a release is in sight (and that would surely be committed to > extra effort, if needed, this time): it would be a risky move, both for > communication and for involvement of volunteers, to have them waiting > for a long time before we can ask them to help us release a new version. > > Any reasons not to try? > > Regards, > Andrea. > > Well Joost (QA Manager) is not on the list, although I saw Stefan Taxteh submiting for an apache ID which means he is around. I wonder who would be needed to speak on this. -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org
Re: svn commit: r792168 - in /websites/production/openofficeorg: ./ content/openofficeorg/people.html
On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Dave Fisher wrote: > > On Jul 4, 2011, at 8:54 AM, Joe Schaefer wrote: > > > At 23' full-screen it renders just fine ;-). I'd say try > > playing with the min-width css attribute for th or td. > > > > > > You have a choice here of using ooo.css or embedding > > a
Re: svn commit: r792168 - in /websites/production/openofficeorg: ./ content/openofficeorg/people.html
On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 12:45 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote: > That's not useful criticism. Either learn some perl > and code it up for the project to use, or learn some > python and submit your change upstream. Either way > discussing php is kinda pointless for this. > Well it could be whatever u want, as long as is some dynamic script, it could be Javascript for all I know. Is the implementation that I have no idea how to integrate to the CMS. So the problem is not the script. Python and Perl also have some sort()-like function as well. > > > > - Original Message ---- > > From: Alexandro Colorado > > To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org > > Cc: ooo-comm...@incubator.apache.org > > Sent: Mon, July 4, 2011 1:25:33 PM > > Subject: Re: svn commit: r792168 - in /websites/production/openofficeorg: > ./ > >content/openofficeorg/people.html > > > > On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Dave Fisher > wrote: > > > > > > > > On Jul 4, 2011, at 8:54 AM, Joe Schaefer wrote: > > > > > > > At 23' full-screen it renders just fine ;-). I'd say try > > > > playing with the min-width css attribute for th or td. > > > > > > > > > > > > You have a choice here of using ooo.css or embedding > > > > a
Re: svn commit: r792168 - in /websites/production/openofficeorg: ./ content/openofficeorg/people.html
On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote:
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message
> > From: Alexandro Colorado
> > To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> > Cc: ooo-comm...@incubator.apache.org
> > Sent: Mon, July 4, 2011 2:04:30 PM
> > Subject: Re: svn commit: r792168 - in /websites/production/openofficeorg:
> ./
> >content/openofficeorg/people.html
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 12:45 PM, Joe Schaefer >wrote:
> >
> > > That's not useful criticism. Either learn some perl
> > > and code it up for the project to use, or learn some
> > > python and submit your change upstream. Either way
> > > discussing php is kinda pointless for this.
> > >
> >
> > Well it could be whatever u want, as long as is some dynamic script, it
> > could be Javascript for all I know. Is the implementation that I have no
> > idea how to integrate to the CMS. So the problem is not the script.
> Python
> > and Perl also have some sort()-like function as well.
>
> As I explained to Dave, the best way to understand how the CMS works is to
> think of it as django done (mostly) in perl, but with an agressive
> filesystem
> cache. (Pretend the markdown files are "from the database", and read up on
> how django dispatches urls to view code via urls.py- that will give you
> clues as
> to how the path.pm @patterns array works).
>
> The code you write in view.pm to process a (markdown) file can be
> arbitrary,
> even
> to call out to php if you can convince me to install php on the cms server.
> And
> besides that aspect, the markdown daemon is the python implementation which
> is
> designed to be extensible, and we already run a custom asf-only extension
> here.
> Adding more of those if they're well done is certainly ok with me.
>
ok so here would be the type of code -- in perl -- that would aim to do the
job.
while( ) {
chomp;
$count++;
# skip header
next unless $count;
my $row;
@$row = split( /|/, $_ );
push @$sheet, $row;
}
foreach my $row ( sort { $a->[1] <=> $b->[1] } @$sheet ) {
print join( '|', @$row ), "\n";
}
This process should be triggeered by some sort of markup. (i.e. ^ v on
header) so aditional code would need to be there to inspect these triggers.
example:
|| ID || Name || Email ||
| 3 | Mark | m...@apache.org |
| 1 | John | j...@apache.org |
| 2 | Dan | d...@apache.org |
|| ID v || Name || Email ||
| 3 | Mark | m...@apache.org |
| 2 | Dan | d...@apache.org |
| 1 | John | j...@apache.org |
>
> Yes it takes time to familiarize oneself with the CMS, as it is not a
> typical
> CMS. It is designed to be both powerful and easy to use, and based on
> generating
> read-only cacheable content from a variety of sources (not all of which
> need to
> be on disk). Look over the documentation for the www.apache.org site and
> checkout
> how a few of the more complex sample pages like http://www.apache.org/dev/and
> http://www.apache.org/licenses/exports/ to see some of the capabilities.
>
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> > > - Original Message
> > > > From: Alexandro Colorado
> > > > To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> > > > Cc: ooo-comm...@incubator.apache.org
> > > > Sent: Mon, July 4, 2011 1:25:33 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: svn commit: r792168 - in
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> > > > On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Dave Fisher >
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> > > > > On Jul 4, 2011, at 8:54 AM, Joe Schaefer wrote:
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> > > > > > At 23' full-screen it renders just fine ;-). I'd say try
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Re: Brazilian government and Apache OpenOffice.org / TDF's LibreOffice
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 4:56 PM, Jomar Silva wrote: > Hi all, > > Last week during the FISL (International Free Software Forum) in Porto > Alegre, the Brazilian Government's Free Software Implementation > Committee decided to contribute with developers to the projects Apache > OpenOffice.org and TDF's LibreOffice. > > The official press release and the signed 'Letter of Intent' can be > found here - > http://www.softwarelivre.gov.br/news/cisl-and-communities-strengthen-floss-office-suites > . > > I hope that this is a solid first step for us in Brazil, and I also > hope that it shows the need of a FLOSS Office Suite that we have here. > > I'll be working to get the developers on this mail list as soon as > they' re appointed by their employers. > > I also did a presentation about Apache OpenOffice.org with Simon > Phipps, inviting all Brazilian community to join us on the project. I > plan to do a blog post on the next days talking about this > governmental commitment, inviting other governments and individual > contribution to work with us all. > > Best Regards, > > Jomar Silva > Great news Jomar, I would have loved to be there. But I am glad that the commitment for FLOSS office suites is still strong. I know Brazil has a large investment in the suite and is the countries interest that development keeps growing. -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org
Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for July 2011 (ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org)
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 12:45 PM, Rob Weir wrote: > I've drafted the report directly on the wiki. > > http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/July2011 > > Since the Board meeting is the 20th, and they need one-week to review, > we need final sign off by the 13th. > Judging from the other reports I will try to make it more consice. For example: Explaining that is our first report, seems a bit verbose. Also avoid the Q&A format and instead draft it as action points. The core action ponits would be, - Asset migration - governance structure - general project setup Under migration we can put new website, wiki, etc. OOo code revision. Under governance structure, we can put we did the initial commiter draft with some of the numbers Dennise has report. General project setup we can talk about the OOo site in Apache. So in essence same information, but different format to make it more objective and to the point. > > I will be out all next week starting the 12th. So if we can reach > consensus on this and get a Mentor to sign off by EOD Monday, it would > be great. > > > -Rob > > > On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 5:45 PM, Ross Gardler > wrote: > > On 4 July 2011 21:01, Dennis E. Hamilton > wrote: > >> +1 on circulation on ooo-dev. > >> > >> I'm not sure which wiki you mean and whether that would limit > participation or not. > > > > Sorry, I was referring to the wiki that is used to submit the report > > to the IPMC. It is publicly writable. > > > > Ross > > > >> > >> - Dennis > >> > >> -Original Message- > >> From: Ross Gardler [mailto:rgard...@opendirective.com] > >> Sent: Monday, July 04, 2011 03:06 > >> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org > >> Subject: Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for July 2011 ( > ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org) > >> > >> [ ... ] > >> > >> The most common practice that I am aware of is: > >> > >> - someone writes a draft and circulates via the dev list for comment > >> - after 72 hours or so comments are collated and it's put in the wiki > >> - mentors are asked to sign it off > >> > >> An alternative which also works well, is to do it directly in the wiki > >> and request changes be made directly. > >> > >> Ross > >> > >> [ ... ] > >> > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Ross Gardler (@rgardler) > > Programme Leader (Open Development) > > OpenDirective http://opendirective.com > > > -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org
Re: OpenOffice.org (was Re: Ooo blog)
On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: > Ivo Hinkelmann wrote: > > I would also prefer that we just called it "OpenOffice.org". This brand > > is known everywhere and this is not a fork but the moved "original" OOo > > project. > > Same for me. This Apache podling has many nice features, but its most > distinctive ones are: > - Participation of many Hamburg developers > - Ownership of the OpenOffice.org trademark > +1 I think is a strong solid brand, even if it has been diluted a bit with all the minor changes "Open Office" and "OpenOffice". Still most people on the know recognize "OpenOffice.org" 10 year history. > > These elements of continuity can be very reassuring to users, and the > project communication should take advantage of it. If there is the > strict requirement of having "Apache" in the name, "Apache > OpenOffice.org" would be the natural candidate, but it still sounds > weaker than the well known "OpenOffice.org" brand. > > Regards, > Andrea. > > -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org
Re: OpenOffice.org (was Re: Ooo blog)
On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 11:27 PM, Greg Stein wrote: > On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 14:19, Donald Harbison > wrote: > > No need to drag the .org into the future, if Apache is prefixed. If no > > prefix, yes, we lead with the trademark of record: OpenOffice.org. IMHO. > > Let's simply use Apache OpenOffice. > > Agreed. The ".org" is an anachronism from a long time ago. Everybody I > talk to says "OpenOffice". Nobody puts the ".org" in there, whether > they should or not. And by branding it "Apache OpenOffice", we are > unique and should not be infringing on anybody else's mark. > > +1 to Apache OpenOffice. > By that you basically state that no matter what, OpenOffice will always be OpenOffice whenever is OpenOffice.org or Apache OpenOffice. So I guess ur point on "Everybody I talk to" is irrelevant. I have never heard people saying Novell OpenOffice or Lindows OpenOffice or Oracle Open Office. But that doesnt mean they dont exist. Most users from Ubuntu kept saying OpenOffice even thought they were using Novell Edition for the past 3 years. > > Cheers, > -g > -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org
Re: OpenOffice.org (was Re: Ooo blog)
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Rob Weir wrote: > On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 9:16 AM, Andre Schnabel > wrote: > > Hi, > > > >> Von: Javier Sola > > > >> > >> This product competes with another one whose main disadvantage is not > >> having the name OpenOffice.org, and who is already producing working > >> software, more advanced that this project at this time, and getting the > >> favor of some distributions. > > > > So - if the Apache project does not want to use the brand > "OpenOffice.org", > > maybe ask Oracle to hand it over to TDF instead. > > > > Do you know, was LibreOffice.org ever considered as a name? If not, > why not? Did the portion of the OOo community that left for LO not > believe that symbolism of ".org" was useful for branding? > > From a branding perspective you did have the opportunity to start > fresh, but you did not go with a ".org" name. > We are not starting fresh, even if you want to believe we are. > > -Rob > > > > Ok, just joking - I would not expect this to happen. > > > > But anyway - everyone who would say "no" to the idea above, just have a > > moment and think about why you would say "no". And then think about why > > you should not change the brand. > > > > regards, > > > > André > > > -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org
Re: OpenOffice.org (was Re: Ooo blog)
2011/7/12 Pavel Janík > > It seems to me that a lot of the problem arises in keeping the > development project and the product brand names exactly the same. > > Another proposal: > > Product name: OpenOffice.org. > > Project name: Apache OpenOffice.org. > > I'm strongly against mixing OOo and OO here. > +1 that makes more sense to me, and agree with Pavel about not mixing OOo and OO. > -- > Pavel Janík > > > > -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org
Re: OpenOffice.org (was Re: Ooo blog)
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 2:41 AM, Gavin McDonald wrote: > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Marcus (OOo) [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de] > > Sent: Tuesday, 12 July 2011 5:11 PM > > To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org > > Subject: Re: OpenOffice.org (was Re: Ooo blog) > > > > > Am 07/12/2011 08:55 AM, schrieb Pavel Janík: > > >> It seems to me that a lot of the problem arises in keeping the > > development project and the product brand names exactly the same. > > > > > > Another proposal: > > > > > > Product name: OpenOffice.org. > > > > > > Project name: Apache OpenOffice.org. > > > > > > I'm strongly against mixing OOo and OO here. > > > > +1 > > > > Keep it simpe for the users and don't make any possibility for > > misunderstandings. > > With domain names for ALL Apache projects coming under the > pattern of $projectname.apache.org how you propose that > would work if Apache OpenOffice.org is the project name? > > (only openofficeorg.apache.org springs to mind if you intend to > keep org in the project name) > > (And a shocking name that becomes imho) > > Thanks > > Gav... > Since apache will own the openoffice.org domain you can as easily put a redirector from http://ooo.apache.org to http://apache.openoffice.org > > > > > > Marcus > > -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org
Re: OpenOffice.org (was Re: Ooo blog)
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 3:24 AM, Gavin McDonald wrote: > You misunderstood, > > the project name becomes the subdomain name associated with the website > > there is no project called ‘ooo’ so ‘ooo.apache.org’ will not be accepted. > What about http://ofbiz.apache.org/ for Open for business project. I am sure nobody will call that "Off biz". And if they do, it wouldnt be that beneficial marketing wise, sound like out of business. Also, these rules seem a bit archaic, it should be accepted whatever makes sense. Domain names and brands are not the same thing, because domains have restrictions on itself... like this one. > > Also, we would not redirect away from the *.apache.org domain, if > anything, it > would be the other way around. > Apologies for top posting, one of the sins of replying to html email. > > Gav… > > > > From: acolor...@gmail.com [mailto:acolor...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of > Alexandro Colorado > Sent: Tuesday, 12 July 2011 5:58 PM > To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org; ga...@16degrees.com.au > Subject: Re: OpenOffice.org (was Re: Ooo blog) > > > On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 2:41 AM, Gavin McDonald > wrote: > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Marcus (OOo) [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de] > > Sent: Tuesday, 12 July 2011 5:11 PM > > To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org > > Subject: Re: OpenOffice.org (was Re: Ooo blog) > > > > > Am 07/12/2011 08:55 AM, schrieb Pavel Janík: > > >> It seems to me that a lot of the problem arises in keeping the > > development project and the product brand names exactly the same. > > > > > > Another proposal: > > > > > > Product name: OpenOffice.org. > > > > > > Project name: Apache OpenOffice.org. > > > > > > I'm strongly against mixing OOo and OO here. > > > > +1 > > > > Keep it simpe for the users and don't make any possibility for > > misunderstandings. > With domain names for ALL Apache projects coming under the > pattern of $projectname.apache.org how you propose that > would work if Apache OpenOffice.org is the project name? > > (only openofficeorg.apache.org springs to mind if you intend to > keep org in the project name) > > (And a shocking name that becomes imho) > > Thanks > > Gav... > > Since apache will own the openoffice.org domain you can as easily put a > redirector from http://ooo.apache.org to http://apache.openoffice.org > > > > > > > Marcus > > > > -- > Alexandro Colorado > OpenOffice.org Español > http://es.openoffice.org > > -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org
Re: OpenOffice.org (was Re: Ooo blog)
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 3:43 AM, Gavin McDonald wrote: > > > > -Original Message- > > From: acolor...@gmail.com [mailto:acolor...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of > > Alexandro Colorado > > Sent: Tuesday, 12 July 2011 6:36 PM > > To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org; ga...@16degrees.com.au > > Subject: Re: OpenOffice.org (was Re: Ooo blog) > > > > On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 3:24 AM, Gavin McDonald > > wrote: > > > > > You misunderstood, > > > > > > the project name becomes the subdomain name associated with the > > > website > > > > > > there is no project called ‘ooo’ so ‘ooo.apache.org’ will not be > accepted. > > > > > > > What about http://ofbiz.apache.org/ for Open for business project. > > I am sure nobody will call that "Off biz". And if they do, it wouldnt be > that > > beneficial marketing wise, sound like out of business. > > Actually, that is exactly what it is called. The project is officially > called 'ofbiz' so > that is what the domain name is. > > They can market their full name but the project name IS 'ofbiz'. > > > > Also, these rules seem a bit archaic, it should be accepted whatever > makes > > sense. Domain names and brands are not the same thing, because domains > > have restrictions on itself... like this one. > > When a project comes to Apache, they abide by the rules in place. They are > there for a reason. That is true of anywhere. There have been exceptional > circumstances in the past , it remains to be seen if this will be one of > them. > ok then let it be http://openofficedotorg.apache.org happy? > > Gav... > > > > > > > > > > > Also, we would not redirect away from the *.apache.org domain, if > > > anything, it would be the other way around. > > > > > > > Apologies for top posting, one of the sins of replying to html email. > > > > > > Gav… > > > > > > > > > > > > From: acolor...@gmail.com [mailto:acolor...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of > > > Alexandro Colorado > > > Sent: Tuesday, 12 July 2011 5:58 PM > > > To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org; ga...@16degrees.com.au > > > Subject: Re: OpenOffice.org (was Re: Ooo blog) > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 2:41 AM, Gavin McDonald > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: Marcus (OOo) [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de] > > > > Sent: Tuesday, 12 July 2011 5:11 PM > > > > To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org > > > > Subject: Re: OpenOffice.org (was Re: Ooo blog) > > > > > > > > > > > Am 07/12/2011 08:55 AM, schrieb Pavel Janík: > > > > >> It seems to me that a lot of the problem arises in keeping the > > > > development project and the product brand names exactly the same. > > > > > > > > > > Another proposal: > > > > > > > > > > Product name: OpenOffice.org. > > > > > > > > > > Project name: Apache OpenOffice.org. > > > > > > > > > > I'm strongly against mixing OOo and OO here. > > > > > > > > +1 > > > > > > > > Keep it simpe for the users and don't make any possibility for > > > > misunderstandings. > > > With domain names for ALL Apache projects coming under the > > > pattern of $projectname.apache.org how you propose that > > > would work if Apache OpenOffice.org is the project name? > > > > > > (only openofficeorg.apache.org springs to mind if you intend to > > > keep org in the project name) > > > > > > (And a shocking name that becomes imho) > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Gav... > > > > > > Since apache will own the openoffice.org domain you can as easily put > a > > > redirector from http://ooo.apache.org to http://apache.openoffice.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marcus > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Alexandro Colorado > > > OpenOffice.org Español > > > http://es.openoffice.org > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > *Alexandro Colorado* > > *OpenOffice.org* Español > > http://es.openoffice.org > > -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org
Re: Committers and Contributors and PPMC
On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > It is important to distinguish between contributors generally and the > subset of contributors who happen to be committers. There are technical > prerequisites and prerogatives to being a committer. > Might be good to have it on the wiki as on defined roles. I am sure apache has that somewhere but is easier to point people to an OOo structure site. Right now we only hang a list of people involved with the project. > Many people have been contributors to OpenOffice.org when it was under the > stewardship of Sun and Oracle. Many of those individuals, and others, are > contributing here via the ooo-dev list, the community wiki, and even > submission of patches. Contribution of code and patches and bug reports is > currently rather limited until the code base has moved and there is an issue > tracker in place. There is opportunity for extensive contribution of all > kinds. > > All contributions matter and a lively contributor community is critical. > The committers simply have more they can do with regard to making changes > directly rather than submitting them to a committer for review and > acceptance. > > Not all committers are on the PPMC (and, although rare in practice, not all > PPMC members need be committers). The Initial Committers are also invited > to be PPMC members and it is their option to join or not. Ordinarily, > invitation of a committer to join the PPMC is done separately. > > The PPMC deals with private matters (e.g., the invitation of committers and > PPMC members) and security issues that require discretion and secrecy > leading up to resolution. > > It is my impression (based on no experience at all) that when issues come > to a vote on the ooo-dev list, PPMC member votes are binding and the votes > of other project contributors and observers are not, although I am confident > that non-binding votes are given careful attention. > > - Dennis > > -Original Message- > From: eric b [mailto:eric.bach...@free.fr] > Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 10:12 > To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org > Subject: Re: Commiters list > > Hi, > > > Le 14 juil. 11 à 18:50, Frank Peters a écrit : > > > Eric, > > > >> On this page http://incubator.apache.org/projects/ > >> openofficeorg.html , > >> there is a list of commiters. So far, I participated to the incubator > >> project, and I thought I was counted in the list. > > > > are you a committer (i.e. do you have commit rights)? > > > > > I'm listed on the incubator wiki page : http://wiki.apache.org/ > incubator/OpenOfficeProposal > > As "Initial Commiter" > > > > >> Did I miss something ? How to be added in the list ? > > > > Become a committer. I think you will need to be invited by the PPMC. > > > I'm not sure to understand the "not invited". As reminder, I'm > OpenOffice.org developer since 2005, and did a lot for OpenOffice.org. > > I really wonder what happens. > > > > > But for that, you will need to sign a CLA which you do not want to > > do as you stated earlier. > > > > In the current list, not everybody signed the ICLA, so why is it > important ? > > > Regards, > Eric Bachard > > > -- > qɔᴉɹə > Education Project: > http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Education_Project > Projet OOo4Kids : http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/Main_Page > L'association EducOOo : http://www.educoo.org > Blog : http://eric.bachard.org/news > > > > > > > -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org
Re: Committers and Contributors and PPMC
On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 2:14 PM, Daniel Shahaf wrote: > Dennis E. Hamilton wrote on Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 11:59:37 -0700: > > It is my impression (based on no experience at all) that when issues > > come to a vote on the ooo-dev list, PPMC member votes are binding and > > the votes of other project contributors and observers are not, > > although I am confident that non-binding votes are given careful > > attention. > > That's correct. Furthermore, voting on technical issues is the very > rare exception rather than the rule. (Read: almost never happens) > > We strongly prefer to operate by consensus. > Is this done through a rudimentary process of +1 on mailing lists or is there an app to perform quick polling campaings? -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org
Re: How does BizDev fit in at Apache?
On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: > > > On 08/18/2011 10:27 AM, Shane Curcuru wrote: > >> FYI, Brand Management is working on an Apache Project Corporate >> Recognition Branding Policy to cover cases similar to this. >> >> The ASF is a vendor-neutral non-profit, and as such our projects should >> be careful to manage their websites and projects for the benefit of all >> their users, and to not endorse or otherwise be used by third parties >> for their marketing benefits. >> >> However healthy projects also understand that for-profit third parties >> are an important part of the ecosystem that builds our products, so we >> do allow Apache projects to have links pages to things like other >> trainers, consultants, and even other software providers who build >> software that works with Apache software. >> >> It would definitely be helpful for some committers with past experience >> with OOo work to collect a list of sites like this, and then come up >> with some specific suggestions / project policies for maintaining lists >> like that in the future. Then we can review the policy in terms of >> Apache branding policies. It's definitely up to the (P)PMC to manage >> this kind of resource, to ensure it's used fairly. >> > > well...maybe I've started on this > > see: > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/OpenOffice+Domains > > I decided to just add an extra column to what were the current "internal" > sites to attempt to define migration strategy. Actually, I was just about to > do some more work on it when I saw this post. > > As for BizDev -- well I may get slapped for this one -- I'm really not all > that sure about the activity of this particular project of late. I think it > *may* have been started a while back when there was much more emphasis on > getting businesses on the whole scale migration to OO.o bandwagon. I don't > know what the situation is now. The mailing list does not seem to be > available, for example. I tried to go through many of the incubator projects > and make an assessment, but obviously others may have differing opinions. > > > >> A 30 second look at the consultants.html page shows that it looks pretty >> good, and I bet we can definitely continue pages like that in the future. >> >> - Shane >> >> On 8/18/2011 12:30 PM, Rob Weir wrote: >> >>> I'm thinking of things like this, a directory of consultants providing >>> services to OpenOffice: >>> >>> http://bizdev.openoffice.org/consultants.html >>> >>> Obviously, this is a very important part of the ecosystem. But I'm >>> not sure how much we can mix commerce and non-profit together. How do >>> other projects handle this? >>> >>> -Rob >>> >> > -- > > MzK > > "Those who love deeply never grow old; > they may die of old age, but they die young." >-- Sir Arthur Pinero > I made an effort to revamp the BizDev interest but it seems there are still many dots to match. First of each lang would have their local group of business that do offer commercial support. We in the ES project launched a partnership project and then feed them back to the BizDev project. France has their own and so forth. BizDev is important because people and companies need training. Failed migration usually is the effect of bad planning on the training side and also the expertise that consulting firms offer. BizDev is a huge task however, to offer webinars, phone support, training, consulting and channel them through local channels are things that many people had talk about in past OOoCon. An example is the Google Apps Marketplace (which was something that was considered), and even compared with other ideas happening in other platforms like Sourceforge failed marketplace experiment. As for right now I consider the bizdev a research stage to bring a better ecosystem than other platforms. The latest ToDo was a mailing list refresh so we can start with pioneered business that want to thrive the community. But even then procrastination won :) -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org
Re: How does BizDev fit in at Apache?
On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 3:45 PM, Rob Weir wrote: > On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 4:28 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: > > > > > > On 08/18/2011 10:27 AM, Shane Curcuru wrote: > >> > >> FYI, Brand Management is working on an Apache Project Corporate > >> Recognition Branding Policy to cover cases similar to this. > >> > >> The ASF is a vendor-neutral non-profit, and as such our projects should > >> be careful to manage their websites and projects for the benefit of all > >> their users, and to not endorse or otherwise be used by third parties > >> for their marketing benefits. > >> > >> However healthy projects also understand that for-profit third parties > >> are an important part of the ecosystem that builds our products, so we > >> do allow Apache projects to have links pages to things like other > >> trainers, consultants, and even other software providers who build > >> software that works with Apache software. > >> > >> It would definitely be helpful for some committers with past experience > >> with OOo work to collect a list of sites like this, and then come up > >> with some specific suggestions / project policies for maintaining lists > >> like that in the future. Then we can review the policy in terms of > >> Apache branding policies. It's definitely up to the (P)PMC to manage > >> this kind of resource, to ensure it's used fairly. > > > > well...maybe I've started on this > > > > see: > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/OpenOffice+Domains > > > > I had not seen this page recently. It looks like a lot of good work > as gone into it, enumerating the various OO,org services, etc. > Thanks. > This is a similar page documented on OpenOffice.org http://projects.openoffice.org/ > > > I decided to just add an extra column to what were the current "internal" > > sites to attempt to define migration strategy. Actually, I was just about > to > > do some more work on it when I saw this post. > > > > As for BizDev -- well I may get slapped for this one -- I'm really not > all > > that sure about the activity of this particular project of late. I think > it > > *may* have been started a while back when there was much more emphasis on > > getting businesses on the whole scale migration to OO.o bandwagon. I > don't > > know what the situation is now. The mailing list does not seem to be > > available, for example. I tried to go through many of the incubator > projects > > and make an assessment, but obviously others may have differing opinions. > > > >> > >> A 30 second look at the consultants.html page shows that it looks pretty > >> good, and I bet we can definitely continue pages like that in the > future. > >> > >> - Shane > >> > >> On 8/18/2011 12:30 PM, Rob Weir wrote: > >>> > >>> I'm thinking of things like this, a directory of consultants providing > >>> services to OpenOffice: > >>> > >>> http://bizdev.openoffice.org/consultants.html > >>> > >>> Obviously, this is a very important part of the ecosystem. But I'm > >>> not sure how much we can mix commerce and non-profit together. How do > >>> other projects handle this? > >>> > >>> -Rob > > > > -- > > > > MzK > > > > "Those who love deeply never grow old; > > they may die of old age, but they die young." > >-- Sir Arthur Pinero > > > -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org
Re: How does BizDev fit in at Apache?
On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 3:59 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: > Maybe Louis or Alexandro as project leads could tell us a bit more about > any recent activities when and what was done. ;-) > Just did. :-) > > Marcus > > > > Am 08/18/2011 10:28 PM, schrieb Kay Schenk: > > >> >> On 08/18/2011 10:27 AM, Shane Curcuru wrote: >> >>> FYI, Brand Management is working on an Apache Project Corporate >>> Recognition Branding Policy to cover cases similar to this. >>> >>> The ASF is a vendor-neutral non-profit, and as such our projects should >>> be careful to manage their websites and projects for the benefit of all >>> their users, and to not endorse or otherwise be used by third parties >>> for their marketing benefits. >>> >>> However healthy projects also understand that for-profit third parties >>> are an important part of the ecosystem that builds our products, so we >>> do allow Apache projects to have links pages to things like other >>> trainers, consultants, and even other software providers who build >>> software that works with Apache software. >>> >>> It would definitely be helpful for some committers with past experience >>> with OOo work to collect a list of sites like this, and then come up >>> with some specific suggestions / project policies for maintaining lists >>> like that in the future. Then we can review the policy in terms of >>> Apache branding policies. It's definitely up to the (P)PMC to manage >>> this kind of resource, to ensure it's used fairly. >>> >> >> well...maybe I've started on this >> >> see: >> >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/OpenOffice+Domains >> >> I decided to just add an extra column to what were the current >> "internal" sites to attempt to define migration strategy. Actually, I >> was just about to do some more work on it when I saw this post. >> >> As for BizDev -- well I may get slapped for this one -- I'm really not >> all that sure about the activity of this particular project of late. I >> think it *may* have been started a while back when there was much more >> emphasis on getting businesses on the whole scale migration to OO.o >> bandwagon. I don't know what the situation is now. The mailing list does >> not seem to be available, for example. I tried to go through many of the >> incubator projects and make an assessment, but obviously others may have >> differing opinions. >> >> >>> A 30 second look at the consultants.html page shows that it looks pretty >>> good, and I bet we can definitely continue pages like that in the future. >>> >>> - Shane >>> >>> On 8/18/2011 12:30 PM, Rob Weir wrote: >>> >>>> I'm thinking of things like this, a directory of consultants providing >>>> services to OpenOffice: >>>> >>>> http://bizdev.openoffice.org/consultants.html >>>> >>>> Obviously, this is a very important part of the ecosystem. But I'm >>>> not sure how much we can mix commerce and non-profit together. How do >>>> other projects handle this? >>>> >>>> -Rob >>>> >>> -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org
Re: [Discussion] dev-jnqqrfibojom4zkihc2...@public.gmane.org
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 6:15 AM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: > Am 08/23/2011 12:55 PM, schrieb Mathias Bauer: > > On 23.08.2011 11:33, Marcus (OOo) wrote: >> >> Why not? This was the intention from the beginning on. We agreed that we >>> don't want to create new mailing lists when no posts are expected. >>> >>> So, let's see how many users ask for support here. When the number gets >>> tooo high we can create a new users@ mailing list and add this on the >>> old OOo website. >>> >> >> You are cheating. :-) >> >> No users will appear on this list - why should they? They have not been >> asked to post here and asking them to post here doesn't make sense anway. >> >> So the measure "we need a new list when there is demand on the dev-list" >> can't be applied here. >> > > No problem, the text to invite also them can be changed. > > > I would be fine with dropping end user mail support completely if the >> "regulars" of the current ooo user list(s) agreed to that (at least a >> majority) and if we had enough people that give support in the web forum >> we might want to use instead. >> > > A forum is also my favorite way of support. > > IMHO mailing lists and the average user aren't compatible. > > Marcus > > IMHE we have a very heavily user driven mailing list already. -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org fingerprint: E62B CF77 1BEA 0749 C0B8 50B9 3DE6 A84A 68D0 72E6
Re: [Discussion] dev-jnqqrfibojom4zkihc2...@public.gmane.org
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 6:59 AM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: > Am 08/23/2011 01:40 PM, schrieb Alexandro Colorado: > > On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 6:15 AM, Marcus (OOo) >> wrote: >> >> Am 08/23/2011 12:55 PM, schrieb Mathias Bauer: >>> >>> On 23.08.2011 11:33, Marcus (OOo) wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Why not? This was the intention from the beginning on. We agreed that >>>> we >>>> >>>>> don't want to create new mailing lists when no posts are expected. >>>>> >>>>> So, let's see how many users ask for support here. When the number gets >>>>> tooo high we can create a new users@ mailing list and add this on the >>>>> old OOo website. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> You are cheating. :-) >>>> >>>> No users will appear on this list - why should they? They have not been >>>> asked to post here and asking them to post here doesn't make sense >>>> anway. >>>> >>>> So the measure "we need a new list when there is demand on the dev-list" >>>> can't be applied here. >>>> >>>> >>> No problem, the text to invite also them can be changed. >>> >>> >>> I would be fine with dropping end user mail support completely if the >>> >>>> "regulars" of the current ooo user list(s) agreed to that (at least a >>>> majority) and if we had enough people that give support in the web forum >>>> we might want to use instead. >>>> >>>> >>> A forum is also my favorite way of support. >>> >>> IMHO mailing lists and the average user aren't compatible. >>> >>> Marcus >>> >>> >>> IMHE we have a very heavily user driven mailing list already. >> > > But only as long as the mailing list is working. At some point of time it's > closed. > > Marcus > yes closed mailing lists are not compatible with the average users. I agree on that :) -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org fingerprint: E62B CF77 1BEA 0749 C0B8 50B9 3DE6 A84A 68D0 72E6
Re: Apache OpenOffice.org Developer Education: Building on Linux
This is what we had in http://education.openoffice.org including the classrooms. There is also the getting started guide for development. Please have a look on the wiki. http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Education_Project/Effort On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 5:52 PM, Rob Weir wrote: > The blog post is up: > > > https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/entry/apache_openoffice_org_developer_education > > Please pass along the info wherever you think it would find interest. > I've stuck it on Twitter, Facebook and Google Plus. > > Are there any legacy OOo lists where there might be interest? > > -Rob > -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org fingerprint: E62B CF77 1BEA 0749 C0B8 50B9 3DE6 A84A 68D0 72E6
Re: Need a volunteer for the Bugzilla templates
I could with some hours, unfortunately I am already doing too much so I cant take the whole task. But I'll download the files and subscribe to the issue. On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 11:10 AM, Pedro F. Giffuni wrote: > Great! Thanks to Matt!! > > One thing I didn't mention and that may be interesting > for international users is that the new bugzilla can > be customized for other languages. > > cheers, > > Pedro. > > --- On Wed, 9/7/11, Matt Richards wrote: > > > I'm willing to give this a healthy > > try, if nobody else beats me to it. > > > > On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 9:01 PM, Pedro F. Giffuni wrote: > > > > > (This just required a new subject header) > > > > > > Hi; > > > > > > As you know the bugzilla database is working already > > (very > > > well to be honest) but the UI interface changes were > > not > > > brought in due to the extremely outdated version > > (3.2.10) > > > the old site was running. > > > > > > Apparently it is not a difficult task and it would > > make > > > our users feel more comfortable to get most of the > > previous > > > look and feel. > > > > > > Mark Thomas, from infrastructure@ has analysed the > > files > > > provided by Oracle here: > > > http://openoffice.org/downloads/www/mw/ooo_bz_template.tar.bz2 > > > and has offered the pointers for anyone wanting to > > take > > > the job (I am attaching his post). > > > > > > If someone would like this task please let the list > > know > > > so that we don't have a lot of people creating JIRA > > issues. > > > After notifying the list do create a JIRA issue: > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA > > > > > > cheers, > > > > > > Pedro. > > > > > > ps. I found this link that may be helpful to see what > > > we are talking about: > > > http://linux.die.net/Bugzilla-Guide/cust-templates.html > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > --Matt > > > -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org fingerprint: E62B CF77 1BEA 0749 C0B8 50B9 3DE6 A84A 68D0 72E6
Re: Need a volunteer for the Bugzilla templates
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Reizinger Zoltán wrote: > 2011.09.07. 18:10 keltezéssel, Pedro F. Giffuni írta: Great! Thanks to Matt!! >> >> One thing I didn't mention and that may be interesting >> for international users is that the new bugzilla can >> be customized for other languages. >> > The internationalization of bugzilla can be counterproductive. > Until now only English bug reports allowed or solved, excluding in some > cases German, because most of the the developers can deal with. > The translation of bugzilla UI will pretend that you can submit bug in your > language, that could create a big mess. > Or translated bugs not counts, and why consume space on "non real" bugs. > That said, a while ago we did had HTML pages that sync up with the bugzilla so that the UI will be provided in spanish and the spanish leads could take action to upstream it. Usually a duplicate on the bug, but now was in english. The task was trivial since the login to the site was the same as the issuetracker. We did however got rid of it. > > Thanks, > Zoltan > > >> cheers, >> >> Pedro. >> >> --- On Wed, 9/7/11, Matt Richards wrote: >> >> I'm willing to give this a healthy >>> try, if nobody else beats me to it. >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 9:01 PM, Pedro F. Giffuni wrote: >>> >>> (This just required a new subject header) >>>> >>>> Hi; >>>> >>>> As you know the bugzilla database is working already >>>> >>> (very >>> >>>> well to be honest) but the UI interface changes were >>>> >>> not >>> >>>> brought in due to the extremely outdated version >>>> >>> (3.2.10) >>> >>>> the old site was running. >>>> >>>> Apparently it is not a difficult task and it would >>>> >>> make >>> >>>> our users feel more comfortable to get most of the >>>> >>> previous >>> >>>> look and feel. >>>> >>>> Mark Thomas, from infrastructure@ has analysed the >>>> >>> files >>> >>>> provided by Oracle here: >>>> http://openoffice.org/downloads/www/mw/ooo_bz_template.tar.bz2 >>>> and has offered the pointers for anyone wanting to >>>> >>> take >>> >>>> the job (I am attaching his post). >>>> >>>> If someone would like this task please let the list >>>> >>> know >>> >>>> so that we don't have a lot of people creating JIRA >>>> >>> issues. >>> >>>> After notifying the list do create a JIRA issue: >>>> >>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA >>>> >>>> cheers, >>>> >>>> Pedro. >>>> >>>> ps. I found this link that may be helpful to see what >>>> we are talking about: >>>> http://linux.die.net/Bugzilla-Guide/cust-templates.html >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> --Matt >>> >>> > -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org fingerprint: E62B CF77 1BEA 0749 C0B8 50B9 3DE6 A84A 68D0 72E6
Re: Need a volunteer for the Bugzilla templates
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 9:01 PM, Pedro F. Giffuni wrote: > (This just required a new subject header) > > Hi; > > As you know the bugzilla database is working already (very > well to be honest) but the UI interface changes were not > brought in due to the extremely outdated version (3.2.10) > the old site was running. > > Apparently it is not a difficult task and it would make > our users feel more comfortable to get most of the previous > look and feel. > > Mark Thomas, from infrastructure@ has analysed the files > provided by Oracle here: > http://openoffice.org/downloads/www/mw/ooo_bz_template.tar.bz2 > and has offered the pointers for anyone wanting to take > the job (I am attaching his post). > BTW why can we just attach the CSS to this version of BZ, since unless a major structural change happened between 3.2.10 I highly doubt that we could identify the new UI elements to make an adjustment to each dialog. I would therefore recomend to just add the CSS from this template and do some testing to try to identify issues and bug on the template for this new version. Otherwise it would be doing a lot of work that can be verified or duplicated. > > If someone would like this task please let the list know > so that we don't have a lot of people creating JIRA issues. > After notifying the list do create a JIRA issue: > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA > > cheers, > > Pedro. > --- On Tue, 9/6/11, Mark Thomas wrote: > > > > > You don't need to be a Bugzilla expert to do the migration. > > Templates was one of the first things I got involved in > > with ASF infrastructure and I no idea how the templates > > worked before I started. > > > > What is required is some folks that are willing to do the > > work. I can provide them with some pointers to get started. > > It really isn't that hard. I've taken a quick look at the > > custom templates and my initial impressions are: > > - there are ~25 files that need to be migrated > > - most changes are relatively simple > > - not all changes will be required > > > > On a (sort of) related topic please don't e-mail > > infrastructure folks directly. We try to avoid private > > e-mail at the ASF and many folks simply ignore e-mail > > that isn't on the appropriate list. > > > > If you have a question for infrastructure: > > - use infrastruct...@apache.org; > > or > > - contact us on the #asfinfra IRC channel on freenode > > If there is something you need infrastructure to do > > - use Jira; or > > - contact us on the #asfinfra IRC channel on freenode > > (we may still ask you to file a Jira) > > If there is a security problem with ASF infrastructure > > - e-mail r...@apache.org > > > > This conversation, for example, should be on infrastruct...@apache.org > > (cc'd) > > > > Cheers, > > > > Mark > > > > > > ps. I found this link that may be helpful to see what > we are talking about: > http://linux.die.net/Bugzilla-Guide/cust-templates.html > -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org fingerprint: E62B CF77 1BEA 0749 C0B8 50B9 3DE6 A84A 68D0 72E6
Re: Planet OpenOffice?
I run the site http://planetopenoffice.org If there is anything I could help with. On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 11:08 AM, Rob Weir wrote: > On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 11:54 AM, eric b wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Le 7 sept. 11 à 16:10, Rob Weir a écrit : > > > >> I didn't see this listed in the transition planning page [1] but we > should > >> note that OOo had a community blog aggregator called Planet > OpenOffice.org > >> [2], (The site appears to be down at the moment). > >> > >> Is there any interest in seeing this, or something similar continue for > >> AOOo? > >> > >> Apache does have a cross-project aggregator, for official project and > ASF > >> blogs [3], as well as an aggregator of Committer blogs [4]. But do we > want > >> an aggregator of OOo-related blogs, including the wider community, not > just > >> project committers? > >> > > > > > > I'd prefer close to development. > > > > > >> This would not be hard to set up. The Planet or Venus software is > python, > >> which works on a config file and a template. You run it as a > >> cron job, generating static HTML files, so very efficient and secure. > >> > >> What do we think? Should we bring this over? Any volunteers? > >> > > > > > > Yes, please ! > > > > > >> > >> [2] http://planet.services.openoffice.org/ > >> [3] http://blogs.apache.org/ > >> [4] http://planet.apache.org/committers/ > > > > +1 to migrate OpenOffice.org Planet as well. > > > > Unfortunaly, I have no skill to make that, excepted test, and provide > > feedback. > > > > I've setup and admin'ed an aggregator using Sam Ruby's Planet Venus > package. This was for ODF-related blogs: > > http://planet.opendocumentformat.org/ > > I'd be happy to set something like that up from scratch. For me that > would be far easier than trying to understand how OOo did it > previously. But if anyone understands the existing Planet > OpenOffice.org, and is willing to help, that would probably be better. > But I can create a new planet if we have no better choice. > > > Eric > > > > -- > > qɔᴉɹə > > Education Project: > > http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Education_Project > > Projet OOo4Kids : http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/Main_Page > > L'association EducOOo : http://www.educoo.org > > Blog : http://eric.bachard.org/news > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org fingerprint: E62B CF77 1BEA 0749 C0B8 50B9 3DE6 A84A 68D0 72E6
Re: Planet OpenOffice?
well On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 12:42 PM, Rob Weir wrote: > On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 1:36 PM, Alexandro Colorado > wrote: > > I run the site http://planetopenoffice.org > > > > If there is anything I could help with. > > > > So we had two different Planet OpenOffice.org's, one at [1] and one at > [2]? Or are they mirrors or redirects of the same thing? > > I don't see any value to having two of these. If you want to continue > running your own, we could link to yours. Or if you wanted to bring > yours into the project, we could do that also. > > What do you think? > My planet was always ran independently just wonder if you wanted some help with migrating its content. > > -Rob > > [1] http://planetopenoffice.org > [2] http://planet.services.openoffice.org/ > > > On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 11:08 AM, Rob Weir wrote: > > > >> On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 11:54 AM, eric b wrote: > >> > Hi, > >> > > >> > Le 7 sept. 11 à 16:10, Rob Weir a écrit : > >> > > >> >> I didn't see this listed in the transition planning page [1] but we > >> should > >> >> note that OOo had a community blog aggregator called Planet > >> OpenOffice.org > >> >> [2], (The site appears to be down at the moment). > >> >> > >> >> Is there any interest in seeing this, or something similar continue > for > >> >> AOOo? > >> >> > >> >> Apache does have a cross-project aggregator, for official project and > >> ASF > >> >> blogs [3], as well as an aggregator of Committer blogs [4]. But do > we > >> want > >> >> an aggregator of OOo-related blogs, including the wider community, > not > >> just > >> >> project committers? > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > I'd prefer close to development. > >> > > >> > > >> >> This would not be hard to set up. The Planet or Venus software is > >> python, > >> >> which works on a config file and a template. You run it as a > >> >> cron job, generating static HTML files, so very efficient and secure. > >> >> > >> >> What do we think? Should we bring this over? Any volunteers? > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > Yes, please ! > >> > > >> > > >> >> > >> >> [2] http://planet.services.openoffice.org/ > >> >> [3] http://blogs.apache.org/ > >> >> [4] http://planet.apache.org/committers/ > >> > > >> > +1 to migrate OpenOffice.org Planet as well. > >> > > >> > Unfortunaly, I have no skill to make that, excepted test, and provide > >> > feedback. > >> > > >> > >> I've setup and admin'ed an aggregator using Sam Ruby's Planet Venus > >> package. This was for ODF-related blogs: > >> > >> http://planet.opendocumentformat.org/ > >> > >> I'd be happy to set something like that up from scratch. For me that > >> would be far easier than trying to understand how OOo did it > >> previously. But if anyone understands the existing Planet > >> OpenOffice.org, and is willing to help, that would probably be better. > >> But I can create a new planet if we have no better choice. > >> > >> > Eric > >> > > >> > -- > >> > qɔᴉɹə > >> > Education Project: > >> > http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Education_Project > >> > Projet OOo4Kids : http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/Main_Page > >> > L'association EducOOo : http://www.educoo.org > >> > Blog : http://eric.bachard.org/news > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > *Alexandro Colorado* > > *OpenOffice.org* Español > > http://es.openoffice.org > > fingerprint: E62B CF77 1BEA 0749 C0B8 50B9 3DE6 A84A 68D0 72E6 > > > -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org fingerprint: E62B CF77 1BEA 0749 C0B8 50B9 3DE6 A84A 68D0 72E6
Re: Need a volunteer for the Bugzilla templates
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 1:40 PM, Matt Richards wrote: > I have started to take a look into this, I am wondering is there a screen > shot or a way I can see how the old bugzilla looked? > is on the OOo site http://openoffice.org/bugzilla/ > > On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 12:11 PM, Alexandro Colorado >wrote: > > > On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 9:01 PM, Pedro F. Giffuni > >wrote: > > > > > (This just required a new subject header) > > > > > > Hi; > > > > > > As you know the bugzilla database is working already (very > > > well to be honest) but the UI interface changes were not > > > brought in due to the extremely outdated version (3.2.10) > > > the old site was running. > > > > > > Apparently it is not a difficult task and it would make > > > our users feel more comfortable to get most of the previous > > > look and feel. > > > > > > Mark Thomas, from infrastructure@ has analysed the files > > > provided by Oracle here: > > > http://openoffice.org/downloads/www/mw/ooo_bz_template.tar.bz2 > > > and has offered the pointers for anyone wanting to take > > > the job (I am attaching his post). > > > > > > > > > BTW why can we just attach the CSS to this version of BZ, since unless a > > major structural change happened between 3.2.10 I highly doubt that we > > could > > identify the new UI elements to make an adjustment to each dialog. > > > > I would therefore recomend to just add the CSS from this template and do > > some testing to try to identify issues and bug on the template for this > new > > version. Otherwise it would be doing a lot of work that can be verified > or > > duplicated. > > > > > > > > > > If someone would like this task please let the list know > > > so that we don't have a lot of people creating JIRA issues. > > > After notifying the list do create a JIRA issue: > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA > > > > > > cheers, > > > > > > Pedro. > > > --- On Tue, 9/6/11, Mark Thomas wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > You don't need to be a Bugzilla expert to do the migration. > > > > Templates was one of the first things I got involved in > > > > with ASF infrastructure and I no idea how the templates > > > > worked before I started. > > > > > > > > What is required is some folks that are willing to do the > > > > work. I can provide them with some pointers to get started. > > > > It really isn't that hard. I've taken a quick look at the > > > > custom templates and my initial impressions are: > > > > - there are ~25 files that need to be migrated > > > > - most changes are relatively simple > > > > - not all changes will be required > > > > > > > > On a (sort of) related topic please don't e-mail > > > > infrastructure folks directly. We try to avoid private > > > > e-mail at the ASF and many folks simply ignore e-mail > > > > that isn't on the appropriate list. > > > > > > > > If you have a question for infrastructure: > > > > - use infrastruct...@apache.org; > > > > or > > > > - contact us on the #asfinfra IRC channel on freenode > > > > If there is something you need infrastructure to do > > > > - use Jira; or > > > > - contact us on the #asfinfra IRC channel on freenode > > > > (we may still ask you to file a Jira) > > > > If there is a security problem with ASF infrastructure > > > > - e-mail r...@apache.org > > > > > > > > This conversation, for example, should be on > infrastruct...@apache.org > > > > (cc'd) > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ps. I found this link that may be helpful to see what > > > we are talking about: > > > http://linux.die.net/Bugzilla-Guide/cust-templates.html > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > *Alexandro Colorado* > > *OpenOffice.org* Español > > http://es.openoffice.org > > fingerprint: E62B CF77 1BEA 0749 C0B8 50B9 3DE6 A84A 68D0 72E6 > > > > > > -- > --Matt > -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org fingerprint: E62B CF77 1BEA 0749 C0B8 50B9 3DE6 A84A 68D0 72E6
Re: openoffice.org is nonresponsive
I dont experience any issue so far I have been using the site all day without lag. On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 1:41 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: > Well - openoffice.org is not responsive. > > Everything is on hold again. > > Dave > -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org fingerprint: E62B CF77 1BEA 0749 C0B8 50B9 3DE6 A84A 68D0 72E6
QUASTE working?
I can't access QUASTe, I hope this is not the lost box that was in the planet. Regards. -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org fingerprint: E62B CF77 1BEA 0749 C0B8 50B9 3DE6 A84A 68D0 72E6
Re: Dissatisfaction amongst the community admins, moderators and volunteers
On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 9:42 AM, Rob Weir wrote: > On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Reizinger Zoltán > wrote: > > > > Why you think the volunteers and admins will join to this list, if you > not > > makes any steps into the other directions? > > > > I'm assuming the volunteers and admins want positive results. The > decision-making in the project occurs on this list -- ooo-dev -- by > participants making and discussing proposals.So I think that > volunteers and admins should join and participate in this list so they > can engage in an open, two-way conversation on how the project, > including the support forums, are run. > > Remember, I am just one person, with my own ppinion. I have only one > vote. I don't make the decisions myself. But if an admin or other > forum volunteer is not participating on the ooo-dev list at all, then > their opinions will likely be unheard and their vote uncounted. That > is why you should encourage them to participate on the ooo-dev list. > > -Rob > Honestly this seems like mailing lists are an awful way to take decision. Someones votes will be swamped by the hundred of other emails comenting and flamewaring making the vote completely disappeared. We need better software to account this voiting, like a poll or something similar. We need to consider two things, what people decide and their reasoning. So mailing list is good to express opinion or responses. But is bad to account how many people actually say I am forward this or I still havent make a decision. -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org fingerprint: E62B CF77 1BEA 0749 C0B8 50B9 3DE6 A84A 68D0 72E6
Re: QUASTE working?
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 6:12 PM, Raphael Bircher wrote: > Am 08.09.11 01:08, schrieb Andrea Pescetti: > > Raphael Bircher wrote: >> >>> I'm actualy not sure if we realy want to use Quaste. Quaste was a >>> special tool for our automated tests. >>> >> >> Yes, but recently it had included TCM, the very important tool to track >> the (manual) community testing: >> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/TCM_Integration_to_QUASTe >> >> TCM, within QUASTe or not, would definitely be an important asset to get >> from Oracle (actually what I'd be most interested in are the testcases >> themselves and their translations; the testing platform can be adapted or >> replaced if needed). >> > TCM is not OpenSource, and I don't think that we can take over. We have to > replace it with a other system. TCM means test case management which are used on any testing tool. The tool that was built in sun was handmade IMO to do the TCM. Mozilla used LITMUS which is also used to TDF. TCM was automatically and manually, most of the testing from the NLC happened in the TCM and the release tool called QATest which was code by a programmer from the Swedish community -- Per Eriksson which IS FLOSS compliant. > > > Greetings Raphael > > -- > My private Homepage: http://www.raphaelbircher.ch/ > -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org fingerprint: E62B CF77 1BEA 0749 C0B8 50B9 3DE6 A84A 68D0 72E6
Re: QUASTE working?
My question is if QUASTE is on a working box because I cant access it at the time. I wonder if it's just temporary down and not permanently down. Thanks for missconstructing my email. On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 6:00 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: > Hi Guys, > > Apache has various build services: > > http://ci.apache.org/ > > Regards, > Dave > > On Sep 7, 2011, at 3:52 PM, Raphael Bircher wrote: > > > Hi Alexandro > > > > Am 08.09.11 00:32, schrieb Alexandro Colorado: > >> I can't access QUASTe, I hope this is not the lost box that was in the > >> planet. > >> Regards. > >> > > I'm actualy not sure if we realy want to use Quaste. Quaste was a special > tool for our automated tests. But they never worked well outside SUN. > Automated Tests are a nice Idea, but there Results has to be reliably. And > If you know how many menpower SUN and Oracle investegate to maintain this > tests... I'm not sure if we will do the same. > > > > Greetings Raphael > > > > -- > > My private Homepage: http://www.raphaelbircher.ch/ > > -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org fingerprint: E62B CF77 1BEA 0749 C0B8 50B9 3DE6 A84A 68D0 72E6
Re: [wiki] Migration - A TerryE Clipping Collection [LONG]
od mode on the subdomain ooo-wiki. This is based on a >> snapshot taken at 4am yesterday morning. The server needs further >> tuning, but functionally its there. We do have some outstanding code >> issues (due to a change in the functionality of the PHP >> routine*call_user_func* between Version 5.3 and 5.2 which is not >> backwards compatible. I'll sort this out tomorrow). >> >> Also note as per my previous email, all existing account have had >> there passwords mangled, so access is guest-mode only at the moment. >> Feel free to have a look, but updates and no service commitments >> yet. >> >> *** 2011-08-11-01:18 Terry Ellison - Rig for Silent Running >> (robots.txt) >> >> <http://ooo-wiki.apache.org> >>>> >>>> Hmmm... if this is just a temporary URL, I wonder if we should try >>> to exclude search engine indexing via robots.txt ? >>> >>> Otherwise, now that the URL is known, we're going to get spidered >>> but then all those links will soon be dead. >>> >> >> Thanks Rob for pointing this out, and for Raphael and Gavin fixing >> it. This was incidentally on my bucket list for today. I didn't >> think it that urgent as it would take a day or so for Google et al to >> acquire the site, but you correct. Better sooner. >> >> *** 2011-08-11-01:38 Terry Ellison, BREAKAGE IN SEPARATING WIKI FROM >> OO.O >> >>> I found one bug: On the wiki left side lowest frame where store >>> links for other languages main pages, the links points to >>> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org, not to the >>> http://ooo-wiki.apache.org/. >>> >> >> You are correct, and in fact there are a lot of references to >> *.OpenOffice.org in the content. However, there isn't a production >> instance and there little point in changing these until (1) we agree >> what such "dirty" references are going to be changed to, and (2) we >> cut over for real. Remember that any changes that we made on this >> instance will be lost when we bring over the live [database]. >> >> 2011-08-12-04:53 Terry Ellison, OO.O WIKI ERROR LOGS BUMP >> >> As part of my takeover of SysAdmin on wiki.services.openoffice.org, >> I've been reviewing the error logs and noticed that last week there's >> been quite a rise in reported errors by clients trying to enumerate >> the wiki incorrectly. This may just be a coincidence and nothing to >> do with our work, but if anyone on this DL is trying to suck material >> down, there are right ways to do this. I also understand the >> MediaWiki webAPI if any of you want to write a bot to do this. ... >> Please contact me to discuss. >> >> *** 2011-08-23-20:30 Terry Ellison, SPEEDING UP WIKI ACCESS, REDUCING >> LOAD >> >> I've now finished the upgrade to add the Apache Traffic Server front >> end to the community MediaWiki service at http://ooo-wiki.apache.org/ >> and the service is back online. >> >> We need to do some further tuning of the system cache optimisation, >> but even with the first-cut settings that I prepared on my own >> test-bed VM, the system already looks as if it it is hitting the >> performance targets needed to sustain a full production transaction >> rate. It certainly feels extremely snappy compared to the existing >> OOo community wiki or the Apache cwiki, and the Google pagespeed >> benchmarks are significantly better than both of these systems. So: >> >> * We are good to go for production migration of the community wiki. * >> We are the first Apache project adopter of another Apache project, >> Apache Traffic Server (ATS) * We have laid the foundation for an ATS >> template for MediaWiki hosting that can be used to promote the use of >> ATS for the wider MediaWiki systems community. >> >> It's been a hard few days work, and still some finishing to do, but >> my thanks to the Infrstructure and ATS guys that have supported me >> in making this happen. >> >> *** 2011-08-25-08:59 Terry Ellison, REQUEST FOR BASELINE AGREEMENTS >> TO MOVE AHEAD >> >> I can't execute any plan without a baseline requirement and set of >> assumptions, so what this note attempts is to lay down such a set, >> and the decisions that need to be made to go forward. So PLEASE, I >> don't want any flames about my use of DECISION below. What I simply >> mean is the if the PPMC as a body accepts these, then I will try my >> best to move this work forward. Of course you are free to challenge >>
Re: Apache OpenOffice Project Twitter Account
On 4/18/12, Rob Weir wrote: > On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 3:36 PM, Roberto Galoppini > wrote: >> On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 7:08 PM, Alexandro Colorado >> wrote: >> >>> On 4/17/12, drew wrote: >>> > On Tue, 2012-04-17 at 11:15 -0500, Alexandro Colorado wrote: >>> >> My point is that we are going to be bombarded with support questions, >>> >> regardless if we choose not to, is not up to us. >>> >> >>> >> Sure you can redirect them to the ML/Forums, but that would be done >>> >> 99% of the time, which will frustrate the user and the handlers. >>> >> >>> >> That's the point I wanted to make based on the experience of handling >>> >> these accounts in the past. >>> >> >>> >> Like I said, I am more concern with solving the issue of operation >>> >> first than figuring out which new accounts to create and why/why not. >>> > >>> > Well, I am not advocating removal of any existing accounts. >>> >>> I am sure you didn't. That is not what I said. >>> >> >> Hi Alexandro and all, >> >> Will @openofficeorg be under the Apache OpenOffice control? If this is the >> case, I wonder if it wouldn't be better to use that one instead of the new >> ones. In case I'd recommend to upload the new logo, as well as to update >> the short description. >> > > We've tried to contact the owner of @openofficeorg, to discuss putting > this account under PPMC control. We have no had success with that. So > we're going forward with a new account. It should be easy and quick > to get a similar number of followers once we promote it on the > homepage. Who decided this? you? > >> >>> >>> > What I am advocating is the creation of a set un-ambiguous official >>> > Apache OpenOffice project accounts. >>> >>> what will happened when the unambigous official account get support >>> inquiries everyday? >>> >> >> I had a look at the flow of questions and answers, it seems manageable to >> me. >> >> >> >>> >>> > >>> > I believe that there is work needing to be done to establish the Apache >>> > OpenOffice identity. >>> > >>> > It seems to me that this is an appropriate step to further that goal. >>> >> >> Here my list of recommendations: >> >> 1. Rebranding existing accounts (see above) >> 2. Spend some time to choose (few) people to follow (maybe using keywords >> like office suites, odf, open standards, etc). >>As of today only Alexandro and Rob are followed by @openofficeorg, >> think we should spend some time to choose people to follow, so that it >> could be easier to engage in conversations using tools like googlefinder, >> Listorious, etc. > > That is an interesting point. Many people decide who to follow based > on recommendation engines that look at existing following patterns in > Twitter. So having a good set of mutual followers will help. > >> 3. Start simple. So announcements, news from our blog, new committers, >> etc. >> 4. Be consistent. Two message a day could be a good starting point, maybe >> once a day over the week-ends. >> 5. Don't follow back just for the sake of it, it's wise to follow only >> people we might want to engage with. >> 6. Start conversations with people we know, related projects, etc. > > For example, we might congratulate other OSS projects,Apache and > external, that make new releases, if these would be of interest to our > followers. > >> 7. Establish a clear policy about language style, but especially for how >> to >> handle "crises" >> 8. Use a tool to measure our improvements, both Klout and PeerIndex may be >> useful in this respect. >> >> Roberto >> >> >>> >>> Sure I agree, but my point is really about how to do it based on >>> previous issues. >>> >>> > >>> > //drew >>> > >>> >> >>> >> On 4/17/12, drew wrote: >>> >> > On Tue, 2012-04-17 at 11:02 -0500, Alexandro Colorado wrote: >>> >> >> I think this provide a bit of confussion on the user end. Also I >>> >> >> recognize the struggle of keeping the accounts active. Making >>> multiple >>> >> >> accounts will increase the job. >>> >> >> >>> >> >> The blog itself has n
Re: Apache OpenOffice Project Twitter Account
On 4/19/12, Rob Weir wrote: > On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 2:07 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: >> On 4/18/12, Rob Weir wrote: >>> On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 3:36 PM, Roberto Galoppini >>> wrote: >>>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 7:08 PM, Alexandro Colorado >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 4/17/12, drew wrote: >>>>> > On Tue, 2012-04-17 at 11:15 -0500, Alexandro Colorado wrote: >>>>> >> My point is that we are going to be bombarded with support >>>>> >> questions, >>>>> >> regardless if we choose not to, is not up to us. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Sure you can redirect them to the ML/Forums, but that would be done >>>>> >> 99% of the time, which will frustrate the user and the handlers. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> That's the point I wanted to make based on the experience of >>>>> >> handling >>>>> >> these accounts in the past. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Like I said, I am more concern with solving the issue of operation >>>>> >> first than figuring out which new accounts to create and why/why >>>>> >> not. >>>>> > >>>>> > Well, I am not advocating removal of any existing accounts. >>>>> >>>>> I am sure you didn't. That is not what I said. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Hi Alexandro and all, >>>> >>>> Will @openofficeorg be under the Apache OpenOffice control? If this is >>>> the >>>> case, I wonder if it wouldn't be better to use that one instead of the >>>> new >>>> ones. In case I'd recommend to upload the new logo, as well as to update >>>> the short description. >>>> >>> >>> We've tried to contact the owner of @openofficeorg, to discuss putting >>> this account under PPMC control. We have no had success with that. So >>> we're going forward with a new account. It should be easy and quick >>> to get a similar number of followers once we promote it on the >>> homepage. >> >> Who decided this? you? >> > > Decided what? That it would be easy to get a similar number of > followers? That is purely my estimate, based on the fact that we've > managed to get almost 8000 users to sign up on the ooo-announce list. > Following someone on Twitter should is much easier than signing up on > an ezmlm list. So if we have 8000 there, getting more than 1500 > Twitter followers should not be hard. So you are deciding things? When you said 'we're going forward' you mean you are moving forward. > >>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> > What I am advocating is the creation of a set un-ambiguous official >>>>> > Apache OpenOffice project accounts. >>>>> >>>>> what will happened when the unambigous official account get support >>>>> inquiries everyday? >>>>> >>>> >>>> I had a look at the flow of questions and answers, it seems manageable >>>> to >>>> me. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> > I believe that there is work needing to be done to establish the >>>>> > Apache >>>>> > OpenOffice identity. >>>>> > >>>>> > It seems to me that this is an appropriate step to further that goal. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Here my list of recommendations: >>>> >>>> 1. Rebranding existing accounts (see above) >>>> 2. Spend some time to choose (few) people to follow (maybe using >>>> keywords >>>> like office suites, odf, open standards, etc). >>>>As of today only Alexandro and Rob are followed by @openofficeorg, >>>> think we should spend some time to choose people to follow, so that it >>>> could be easier to engage in conversations using tools like >>>> googlefinder, >>>> Listorious, etc. >>> >>> That is an interesting point. Many people decide who to follow based >>> on recommendation engines that look at existing following patterns in >>> Twitter. So having a good set of mutual followers will help. >>> >>>> 3. Start simple. So announcements, news from our blog, new committers, >>>> etc. >>>> 4. Be consistent. Tw
Re: Apache OpenOffice Project Twitter Account
On 4/19/12, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: > On 4/19/12 9:41 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: >> On 4/19/12, Rob Weir wrote: >>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 2:07 AM, Alexandro Colorado >>> wrote: >>>> On 4/18/12, Rob Weir wrote: >>>>> On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 3:36 PM, Roberto Galoppini >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 7:08 PM, Alexandro Colorado >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 4/17/12, drew wrote: >>>>>>>> On Tue, 2012-04-17 at 11:15 -0500, Alexandro Colorado wrote: >>>>>>>>> My point is that we are going to be bombarded with support >>>>>>>>> questions, >>>>>>>>> regardless if we choose not to, is not up to us. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sure you can redirect them to the ML/Forums, but that would be done >>>>>>>>> 99% of the time, which will frustrate the user and the handlers. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> That's the point I wanted to make based on the experience of >>>>>>>>> handling >>>>>>>>> these accounts in the past. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Like I said, I am more concern with solving the issue of operation >>>>>>>>> first than figuring out which new accounts to create and why/why >>>>>>>>> not. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Well, I am not advocating removal of any existing accounts. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am sure you didn't. That is not what I said. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Alexandro and all, >>>>>> >>>>>> Will @openofficeorg be under the Apache OpenOffice control? If this is >>>>>> the >>>>>> case, I wonder if it wouldn't be better to use that one instead of the >>>>>> new >>>>>> ones. In case I'd recommend to upload the new logo, as well as to >>>>>> update >>>>>> the short description. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> We've tried to contact the owner of @openofficeorg, to discuss putting >>>>> this account under PPMC control. We have no had success with that. So >>>>> we're going forward with a new account. It should be easy and quick >>>>> to get a similar number of followers once we promote it on the >>>>> homepage. >>>> >>>> Who decided this? you? >>>> >>> >>> Decided what? That it would be easy to get a similar number of >>> followers? That is purely my estimate, based on the fact that we've >>> managed to get almost 8000 users to sign up on the ooo-announce list. >>> Following someone on Twitter should is much easier than signing up on >>> an ezmlm list. So if we have 8000 there, getting more than 1500 >>> Twitter followers should not be hard. >> >> So you are deciding things? When you said 'we're going forward' you >> mean you are moving forward. > > I think you misunderstand something here. Rob decided not on his own, I No way to prove that. > think it was the outcome of this longer discussion. and if the owner of > the existing account doesn't reply it is natural to move forward with a > new one, isn't it? > > What is your concern here? Rob contacted me on the matter, and I reply back into the thread and now he said that nobody replied and refer to his decisions as we, when he is the one alone making how things are shaping. > > Juergen > >> >>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What I am advocating is the creation of a set un-ambiguous official >>>>>>>> Apache OpenOffice project accounts. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> what will happened when the unambigous official account get support >>>>>>> inquiries everyday? >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I had a look at the flow of questions and answers, it seems manageable >>>>>> to >>>>>> me. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I believe that there is work needing to be done to establis
Re: Apache OpenOffice Project Twitter Account
On 4/19/12, Roberto Galoppini wrote: > On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 10:08 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: >> On 4/19/12, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: >>> On 4/19/12 9:41 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: >>>> On 4/19/12, Rob Weir wrote: >>>>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 2:07 AM, Alexandro Colorado >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> On 4/18/12, Rob Weir wrote: >>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 3:36 PM, Roberto >>>>>>> Galoppini >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 7:08 PM, Alexandro Colorado >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 4/17/12, drew wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 2012-04-17 at 11:15 -0500, Alexandro Colorado wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> My point is that we are going to be bombarded with support >>>>>>>>>>> questions, >>>>>>>>>>> regardless if we choose not to, is not up to us. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Sure you can redirect them to the ML/Forums, but that would be >>>>>>>>>>> done >>>>>>>>>>> 99% of the time, which will frustrate the user and the handlers. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> That's the point I wanted to make based on the experience of >>>>>>>>>>> handling >>>>>>>>>>> these accounts in the past. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Like I said, I am more concern with solving the issue of >>>>>>>>>>> operation >>>>>>>>>>> first than figuring out which new accounts to create and why/why >>>>>>>>>>> not. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Well, I am not advocating removal of any existing accounts. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I am sure you didn't. That is not what I said. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Alexandro and all, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Will @openofficeorg be under the Apache OpenOffice control? If this >>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> case, I wonder if it wouldn't be better to use that one instead of >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> new >>>>>>>> ones. In case I'd recommend to upload the new logo, as well as to >>>>>>>> update >>>>>>>> the short description. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We've tried to contact the owner of @openofficeorg, to discuss >>>>>>> putting >>>>>>> this account under PPMC control. We have no had success with that. >>>>>>> So >>>>>>> we're going forward with a new account. It should be easy and quick >>>>>>> to get a similar number of followers once we promote it on the >>>>>>> homepage. >>>>>> >>>>>> Who decided this? you? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Decided what? That it would be easy to get a similar number of >>>>> followers? That is purely my estimate, based on the fact that we've >>>>> managed to get almost 8000 users to sign up on the ooo-announce list. >>>>> Following someone on Twitter should is much easier than signing up on >>>>> an ezmlm list. So if we have 8000 there, getting more than 1500 >>>>> Twitter followers should not be hard. >>>> >>>> So you are deciding things? When you said 'we're going forward' you >>>> mean you are moving forward. >>> >>> I think you misunderstand something here. Rob decided not on his own, I >> >> No way to prove that. >> >>> think it was the outcome of this longer discussion. and if the owner of >>> the existing account doesn't reply it is natural to move forward with a >>> new one, isn't it? >>> >>> What is your concern here? >> >> Rob contacted me on the matter, and I reply back into the thread and >> now he said that nobody replied and refer to his decisions as we, when &
Re: Apache OpenOffice Project Twitter Account
On 4/19/12, Rob Weir wrote: > On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 12:42 PM, Ian Lynch wrote: >> On 19 April 2012 11:34, Alexandro Colorado wrote: >> >>>>> What is your concern here? >>> >> >>> >> Rob contacted me on the matter, and I reply back into the thread and >>> >> now he said that nobody replied and refer to his decisions as we, when >>> >> he is the one alone making how things are shaping. >>> > >>> > Alexandro are you actually the maintainer of the @openofficeorg >>> > account? >>> >>> yes I am. >>> >>> > >>> > If this is the case, guess we could go in a different direction, if >>> > not I guess the only option we have at this time is to create another >>> > one. >>> >>> My point is exactly that, Rob did contact me about the issue then said >>> nobody reply to him. >>> >> >> Seems @openofficeorg has 1500 followers already. Unless there is another >> twitter account with more followers, I can't see much logic in not simply >> building around this account. Just need some strategic tweets so we can >> get >> followers to retweet and get more followers. If Alexandro is willing to >> maintain this as a PPMC member, what is the problem? >> > > I have asked Alexandro many times over several months whether he would > put that Twitter account under the control of the AOO PPMC, rather > than treat it as his personal account. He has not agreed to do > this,so I've made a new account which I am putting under PPMC control. > We've had this discussion, in open, on this list. I dont remember having this discussion with you. So what are you talking about? > > I've done the work. I've done the research. I've worked this through > the community. I've created the account. I've applied the Apache > branding. I've signed up other PPMC members to have access to this > account. I've updated the website. Then what you mean with 'I never recieved a reply'. Rob you are acting on your own, and that is really not good for the community not your reputation of power grabber. Is very skewed the way you reffer yourself as 'we', when is only you acting on your own behalf. > > This is not about how many people follow the account. The question is > purely about which account can be under PPMC control and thus be the > official account. What you mean with PPMC control, I am a PPMC and I control the account. So what exactly is the issue here? Do you want to have control of the account? If so please say so and not act as a 'we' when is an 'I'. > > -Rob > >> -- >> Ian >> >> Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications (The Schools ITQ) >> >> www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940 >> >> The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, >> Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and >> Wales. > -- Alexandro Colorado OpenOffice.org Español http://es.openoffice.org
Explaining Otto's Club
A few years back, social media was growing and an attempt to set a footprint of the OOo marketing targets was to accommodate OOo on these networks. For that reason the initiative was called Otto's 2.0 club (Otto is the mascot of OpenOffice.org). To use Otto's club, the marketing leads and project leads or anyone that want to provide value, was able to use these accounts through a layer that will allow to post to the networks without the need of sharing authentication credentials. The write up is on the OOo wiki: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Marketing/Otto_2.0_club The issue is that some of these layers got broken as the networks modify the API and some commercial services went for-pay. At the moment Ping.fm is the only way to publish to the account through the exclusive email of the accounts. So users could post to these email and their message will get published on all the networks assign to the Ping.fm account. If anyone want to publish to twitter: @openofficeorg facebook: https://www.facebook.com/openoffice.org identica: @openofficeorg can do so using this email ucf...@ping.fm -- Alexandro Colorado OpenOffice.org Español http://es.openoffice.org
Re: Apache OpenOffice Project Twitter Account
On 4/19/12, Rob Weir wrote: > On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 2:18 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: >> On 4/19/12, Rob Weir wrote: >>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 12:42 PM, Ian Lynch wrote: >>>> On 19 April 2012 11:34, Alexandro Colorado wrote: >>>> >>>>>>> What is your concern here? >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Rob contacted me on the matter, and I reply back into the thread and >>>>> >> now he said that nobody replied and refer to his decisions as we, >>>>> >> when >>>>> >> he is the one alone making how things are shaping. >>>>> > >>>>> > Alexandro are you actually the maintainer of the @openofficeorg >>>>> > account? >>>>> >>>>> yes I am. >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> > If this is the case, guess we could go in a different direction, if >>>>> > not I guess the only option we have at this time is to create another >>>>> > one. >>>>> >>>>> My point is exactly that, Rob did contact me about the issue then said >>>>> nobody reply to him. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Seems @openofficeorg has 1500 followers already. Unless there is another >>>> twitter account with more followers, I can't see much logic in not >>>> simply >>>> building around this account. Just need some strategic tweets so we can >>>> get >>>> followers to retweet and get more followers. If Alexandro is willing to >>>> maintain this as a PPMC member, what is the problem? >>>> >>> >>> I have asked Alexandro many times over several months whether he would >>> put that Twitter account under the control of the AOO PPMC, rather >>> than treat it as his personal account. He has not agreed to do >>> this,so I've made a new account which I am putting under PPMC control. >>> We've had this discussion, in open, on this list. >> >> I dont remember having this discussion with you. So what are you talking >> about? >> > > In this thread, on this list and several times. > > For example, 8 days ago I wrote: > > "Hi Alexandro -- Is the above your Twitter account? If so, would you > be willing to contribute it to the AOO project, so we can rebrand it > and allow other PMC members to have write access to it, etc.?" > > You didn't seem to understand that, perhaps due to my poor > description. So I described in more detail what I was looking for: > > "By "contribute to the AOO project" I mean give control to the AOO PMC, > so we can use it as a project-wide account, similar to how we treat > the blog: > > -- Any PPMC member, upon request, can have write access. > > -- We can use the project's official logo in conjunction with the account. > > -- We would promote the account on our project's website. > > -- We would generally treat the account as an official voice of the > project, not as a personal account." > > Again, no response. Instead of giving a straightforward yes or no > answer, you changed the subject to debating support questions via > Twitter. Which means that I want to discuss this first before moving the account or creating a new one. > > Is the question I'm asking clear? > >>> >>> I've done the work. I've done the research. I've worked this through >>> the community. I've created the account. I've applied the Apache >>> branding. I've signed up other PPMC members to have access to this >>> account. I've updated the website. >> >> Then what you mean with 'I never recieved a reply'. Rob you are acting >> on your own, and that is really not good for the community not your >> reputation of power grabber. Is very skewed the way you reffer >> yourself as 'we', when is only you acting on your own behalf. >> > > I'm not acting on my own at all. I'm creating an account for use by > any PPMC member who want to volunteer to help with this Twitter > account. I'm discussing how we use Twitter and Google+ as a project, Great but we had that already. Why are you duplicating efforts? > and I'm doing this openly on the public list. This is a topic I've > raised repeatedly on ooo-dev and ooo-private for several months. Now > that we are nearing release time for 3.4 it is time for moving forward > with these proposals. > > "Acting on your own" sounds more lik
Re: [Proposal] Official Google+ Page for Apache OpenOffice
we already have this one https://plus.google.com/b/110957008676542606262/ please avoid duplicating efforts. On 4/19/12, Donald Harbison wrote: > On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Rob Weir wrote: > >> Like Twitter and Facebook, Google+ is a good way to engage with users >> and the larger OpenOffice ecosystem. Unlike Twitter, Google+ has some >> enhanced capabilities, such as ease of sharing pictures and video and >> chat "hangouts". The user base is slightly different as well. Google+ >> is more "cutting edge" at present, compared to Twitter, and has more >> early adopters. >> >> An important capability from the perspective of the PPMC is that >> Google+ has built in support for allowing multiple account "managers", >> allowing us to put an account under PPMC control and share >> responsibilities for maintaining it. >> >> I'm proposing that we make this Google+ account into the official >> Google+ account for the project. I'd be happy to add any PPMC >> members who are willing to help me with it. Just send me your Google >> ID and I will add you. >> > > Please add: dpharbison > >> >> >> https://plus.google.com/u/0/b/114598373874764163668/114598373874764163668/about >> >> -Rob >> > -- Alexandro Colorado OpenOffice.org Español http://es.openoffice.org
Re: [Proposal] Official Google+ Page for Apache OpenOffice
I don't see how this is not duplicating an effort. If you want to contribute to the account you are welcome. But creating a brand new account is exactly duplicating efforts. On 4/19/12, Rob Weir wrote: > On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 3:22 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: >> we already have this one >> >> https://plus.google.com/b/110957008676542606262/ >> > > Yes, an account that has been dormant since last November, and which > you have never offered to put under PPMC control. > >> please avoid duplicating efforts. >> > > I'm not duplicating a dormant account controlled by a single user. > I'm creating an account that all PPMC members can use. You've had the > opportunity to do this for many months, but either you did not feel > like or did not think it was important. You also never thought it > useful to provide project news on that account, point to project blog > posts or do anything that would be part of running a healthy community > project social networking account. > > I am not interesting in duplicating that effort. I am interesting in > doing far, far better. And I'd welcome you to join with me in doing > this. Give me you your Google ID and I'll add you as a manager for > this account immediately. > > This is not duplicating effort since you have obviously put in nearly > zero effort for your Google+ account. > > -Rob > >> On 4/19/12, Donald Harbison wrote: >>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Rob Weir wrote: >>> >>>> Like Twitter and Facebook, Google+ is a good way to engage with users >>>> and the larger OpenOffice ecosystem. Unlike Twitter, Google+ has some >>>> enhanced capabilities, such as ease of sharing pictures and video and >>>> chat "hangouts". The user base is slightly different as well. Google+ >>>> is more "cutting edge" at present, compared to Twitter, and has more >>>> early adopters. >>>> >>>> An important capability from the perspective of the PPMC is that >>>> Google+ has built in support for allowing multiple account "managers", >>>> allowing us to put an account under PPMC control and share >>>> responsibilities for maintaining it. >>>> >>>> I'm proposing that we make this Google+ account into the official >>>> Google+ account for the project. I'd be happy to add any PPMC >>>> members who are willing to help me with it. Just send me your Google >>>> ID and I will add you. >>>> >>> >>> Please add: dpharbison >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> https://plus.google.com/u/0/b/114598373874764163668/114598373874764163668/about >>>> >>>> -Rob >>>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Alexandro Colorado >> OpenOffice.org Español >> http://es.openoffice.org > -- Alexandro Colorado OpenOffice.org Español http://es.openoffice.org
Re: [Proposal] Official Google+ Page for Apache OpenOffice
On 4/19/12, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: > On 4/19/12 9:40 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: >> I don't see how this is not duplicating an effort. If you want to >> contribute to the account you are welcome. But creating a brand new >> account is exactly duplicating efforts. > > please Alexandro read what Rob have written. We don't want an account > controlled by a single person. For whatever reasons you have created > this account it seems that you were not interested to share it with the > PPMC. > > You are always quite fast to create such accounts or register domains > like openoffice.org.es, libreoffice.es, ... and use it for your private > interests You should have learned that this will not longer will work. I have no idea who own those sites. But I these accounts were created many years ago, and if you read the last thread the intiative was well documented to work as a group account. of course members (PPMC or Marketing contact) needed to ad-hoc to the service. My question to you is why you didnt add to it last year or the year before? Stefan Taxhet did. > > > Juergen > > >> >> On 4/19/12, Rob Weir wrote: >>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 3:22 PM, Alexandro Colorado >>> wrote: >>>> we already have this one >>>> >>>> https://plus.google.com/b/110957008676542606262/ >>>> >>> >>> Yes, an account that has been dormant since last November, and which >>> you have never offered to put under PPMC control. >>> >>>> please avoid duplicating efforts. >>>> >>> >>> I'm not duplicating a dormant account controlled by a single user. >>> I'm creating an account that all PPMC members can use. You've had the >>> opportunity to do this for many months, but either you did not feel >>> like or did not think it was important. You also never thought it >>> useful to provide project news on that account, point to project blog >>> posts or do anything that would be part of running a healthy community >>> project social networking account. >>> >>> I am not interesting in duplicating that effort. I am interesting in >>> doing far, far better. And I'd welcome you to join with me in doing >>> this. Give me you your Google ID and I'll add you as a manager for >>> this account immediately. >>> >>> This is not duplicating effort since you have obviously put in nearly >>> zero effort for your Google+ account. >>> >>> -Rob >>> >>>> On 4/19/12, Donald Harbison wrote: >>>>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Rob Weir wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Like Twitter and Facebook, Google+ is a good way to engage with users >>>>>> and the larger OpenOffice ecosystem. Unlike Twitter, Google+ has some >>>>>> enhanced capabilities, such as ease of sharing pictures and video and >>>>>> chat "hangouts". The user base is slightly different as well. Google+ >>>>>> is more "cutting edge" at present, compared to Twitter, and has more >>>>>> early adopters. >>>>>> >>>>>> An important capability from the perspective of the PPMC is that >>>>>> Google+ has built in support for allowing multiple account "managers", >>>>>> allowing us to put an account under PPMC control and share >>>>>> responsibilities for maintaining it. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm proposing that we make this Google+ account into the official >>>>>> Google+ account for the project. I'd be happy to add any PPMC >>>>>> members who are willing to help me with it. Just send me your Google >>>>>> ID and I will add you. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Please add: dpharbison >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> https://plus.google.com/u/0/b/114598373874764163668/114598373874764163668/about >>>>>> >>>>>> -Rob >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Alexandro Colorado >>>> OpenOffice.org Español >>>> http://es.openoffice.org >>> >> >> > > -- Alexandro Colorado OpenOffice.org Español http://es.openoffice.org
Re: Apache OpenOffice Project Twitter Account
On 4/19/12, Roberto Galoppini wrote: > On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 3:19 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: >> On 4/19/12, Rob Weir wrote: >>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 2:18 PM, Alexandro Colorado >>> wrote: >>>> On 4/19/12, Rob Weir wrote: >>>>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 12:42 PM, Ian Lynch >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> On 19 April 2012 11:34, Alexandro Colorado wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> What is your concern here? >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> Rob contacted me on the matter, and I reply back into the thread >>>>>>> >> and >>>>>>> >> now he said that nobody replied and refer to his decisions as we, >>>>>>> >> when >>>>>>> >> he is the one alone making how things are shaping. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Alexandro are you actually the maintainer of the @openofficeorg >>>>>>> > account? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> yes I am. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > If this is the case, guess we could go in a different direction, if >>>>>>> > not I guess the only option we have at this time is to create >>>>>>> > another >>>>>>> > one. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My point is exactly that, Rob did contact me about the issue then >>>>>>> said >>>>>>> nobody reply to him. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Seems @openofficeorg has 1500 followers already. Unless there is >>>>>> another >>>>>> twitter account with more followers, I can't see much logic in not >>>>>> simply >>>>>> building around this account. Just need some strategic tweets so we >>>>>> can >>>>>> get >>>>>> followers to retweet and get more followers. If Alexandro is willing >>>>>> to >>>>>> maintain this as a PPMC member, what is the problem? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I have asked Alexandro many times over several months whether he would >>>>> put that Twitter account under the control of the AOO PPMC, rather >>>>> than treat it as his personal account. He has not agreed to do >>>>> this,so I've made a new account which I am putting under PPMC control. >>>>> We've had this discussion, in open, on this list. >>>> >>>> I dont remember having this discussion with you. So what are you talking >>>> about? >>>> >>> >>> In this thread, on this list and several times. >>> >>> For example, 8 days ago I wrote: >>> >>> "Hi Alexandro -- Is the above your Twitter account? If so, would you >>> be willing to contribute it to the AOO project, so we can rebrand it >>> and allow other PMC members to have write access to it, etc.?" >>> >>> You didn't seem to understand that, perhaps due to my poor >>> description. So I described in more detail what I was looking for: >>> >>> "By "contribute to the AOO project" I mean give control to the AOO PMC, >>> so we can use it as a project-wide account, similar to how we treat >>> the blog: >>> >>> -- Any PPMC member, upon request, can have write access. >>> >>> -- We can use the project's official logo in conjunction with the >>> account. >>> >>> -- We would promote the account on our project's website. >>> >>> -- We would generally treat the account as an official voice of the >>> project, not as a personal account." >>> >>> Again, no response. Instead of giving a straightforward yes or no >>> answer, you changed the subject to debating support questions via >>> Twitter. >> >> Which means that I want to discuss this first before moving the >> account or creating a new one. >> >>> >>> Is the question I'm asking clear? >>> >>>>> >>>>> I've done the work. I've done the research. I've worked this through >>>>> the community. I've created the account. I've applied the Apache >>>>> branding. I've signed up other PPMC members to have access to this >>>
Re: Apache OpenOffice Project Twitter Account
On 4/19/12, Roberto Galoppini wrote: > On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 4:10 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: >> On 4/19/12, Roberto Galoppini wrote: >>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 3:19 PM, Alexandro Colorado >>> wrote: >>>> On 4/19/12, Rob Weir wrote: >>>>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 2:18 PM, Alexandro Colorado >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> On 4/19/12, Rob Weir wrote: >>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 12:42 PM, Ian Lynch >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> On 19 April 2012 11:34, Alexandro Colorado wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> What is your concern here? >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> Rob contacted me on the matter, and I reply back into the thread >>>>>>>>> >> and >>>>>>>>> >> now he said that nobody replied and refer to his decisions as >>>>>>>>> >> we, >>>>>>>>> >> when >>>>>>>>> >> he is the one alone making how things are shaping. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > Alexandro are you actually the maintainer of the @openofficeorg >>>>>>>>> > account? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> yes I am. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > If this is the case, guess we could go in a different direction, >>>>>>>>> > if >>>>>>>>> > not I guess the only option we have at this time is to create >>>>>>>>> > another >>>>>>>>> > one. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> My point is exactly that, Rob did contact me about the issue then >>>>>>>>> said >>>>>>>>> nobody reply to him. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Seems @openofficeorg has 1500 followers already. Unless there is >>>>>>>> another >>>>>>>> twitter account with more followers, I can't see much logic in not >>>>>>>> simply >>>>>>>> building around this account. Just need some strategic tweets so we >>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>> get >>>>>>>> followers to retweet and get more followers. If Alexandro is willing >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> maintain this as a PPMC member, what is the problem? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have asked Alexandro many times over several months whether he >>>>>>> would >>>>>>> put that Twitter account under the control of the AOO PPMC, rather >>>>>>> than treat it as his personal account. He has not agreed to do >>>>>>> this,so I've made a new account which I am putting under PPMC >>>>>>> control. >>>>>>> We've had this discussion, in open, on this list. >>>>>> >>>>>> I dont remember having this discussion with you. So what are you >>>>>> talking >>>>>> about? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> In this thread, on this list and several times. >>>>> >>>>> For example, 8 days ago I wrote: >>>>> >>>>> "Hi Alexandro -- Is the above your Twitter account? If so, would you >>>>> be willing to contribute it to the AOO project, so we can rebrand it >>>>> and allow other PMC members to have write access to it, etc.?" >>>>> >>>>> You didn't seem to understand that, perhaps due to my poor >>>>> description. So I described in more detail what I was looking for: >>>>> >>>>> "By "contribute to the AOO project" I mean give control to the AOO PMC, >>>>> so we can use it as a project-wide account, similar to how we treat >>>>> the blog: >>>>> >>>>> -- Any PPMC member, upon request, can have write access. >>>>> >>>>> -- We can use the project's official logo in conjunction with the >>>>> account. >>>>> >>>>> -- We would promote the account on our p
Re: Apache OpenOffice Project Twitter Account
On 4/19/12, Roberto Galoppini wrote: > On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 4:33 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: >> On 4/19/12, Roberto Galoppini wrote: >>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 4:10 PM, Alexandro Colorado >>> wrote: >>>> On 4/19/12, Roberto Galoppini wrote: >>>>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 3:19 PM, Alexandro Colorado >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> On 4/19/12, Rob Weir wrote: >>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 2:18 PM, Alexandro Colorado >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> On 4/19/12, Rob Weir wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 12:42 PM, Ian Lynch >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 19 April 2012 11:34, Alexandro Colorado wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> What is your concern here? >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Rob contacted me on the matter, and I reply back into the >>>>>>>>>>> >> thread >>>>>>>>>>> >> and >>>>>>>>>>> >> now he said that nobody replied and refer to his decisions as >>>>>>>>>>> >> we, >>>>>>>>>>> >> when >>>>>>>>>>> >> he is the one alone making how things are shaping. >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > Alexandro are you actually the maintainer of the @openofficeorg >>>>>>>>>>> > account? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> yes I am. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > If this is the case, guess we could go in a different >>>>>>>>>>> > direction, >>>>>>>>>>> > if >>>>>>>>>>> > not I guess the only option we have at this time is to create >>>>>>>>>>> > another >>>>>>>>>>> > one. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> My point is exactly that, Rob did contact me about the issue then >>>>>>>>>>> said >>>>>>>>>>> nobody reply to him. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Seems @openofficeorg has 1500 followers already. Unless there is >>>>>>>>>> another >>>>>>>>>> twitter account with more followers, I can't see much logic in not >>>>>>>>>> simply >>>>>>>>>> building around this account. Just need some strategic tweets so >>>>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>> get >>>>>>>>>> followers to retweet and get more followers. If Alexandro is >>>>>>>>>> willing >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> maintain this as a PPMC member, what is the problem? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have asked Alexandro many times over several months whether he >>>>>>>>> would >>>>>>>>> put that Twitter account under the control of the AOO PPMC, rather >>>>>>>>> than treat it as his personal account. He has not agreed to do >>>>>>>>> this,so I've made a new account which I am putting under PPMC >>>>>>>>> control. >>>>>>>>> We've had this discussion, in open, on this list. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I dont remember having this discussion with you. So what are you >>>>>>>> talking >>>>>>>> about? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In this thread, on this list and several times. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For example, 8 days ago I wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Hi Alexandro -- Is the above your Twitter account? If so, would you >>>>>>> be willing to contribute it to the AOO project, so we can rebrand it &
Re: Apache OpenOffice Project Twitter Account
On 4/19/12, Ian Lynch wrote: > On 19 April 2012 15:52, Alexandro Colorado wrote: > >> On 4/19/12, Roberto Galoppini wrote: >> > On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 4:33 PM, Alexandro Colorado >> wrote: >> >> On 4/19/12, Roberto Galoppini wrote: >> >>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 4:10 PM, Alexandro Colorado >> >>> wrote: >> >>>> On 4/19/12, Roberto Galoppini wrote: >> >>>>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 3:19 PM, Alexandro Colorado >> >>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>> On 4/19/12, Rob Weir wrote: >> >>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 2:18 PM, Alexandro Colorado < >> j...@apache.org> >> >>>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>> On 4/19/12, Rob Weir wrote: >> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 12:42 PM, Ian Lynch > > >> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> On 19 April 2012 11:34, Alexandro Colorado >> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> What is your concern here? >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Rob contacted me on the matter, and I reply back into the >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> thread >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> and >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> now he said that nobody replied and refer to his decisions >> as >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> we, >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> when >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> he is the one alone making how things are shaping. >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > Alexandro are you actually the maintainer of the >> @openofficeorg >> >>>>>>>>>>> > account? >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> yes I am. >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > If this is the case, guess we could go in a different >> >>>>>>>>>>> > direction, >> >>>>>>>>>>> > if >> >>>>>>>>>>> > not I guess the only option we have at this time is to >> >>>>>>>>>>> > create >> >>>>>>>>>>> > another >> >>>>>>>>>>> > one. >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> My point is exactly that, Rob did contact me about the issue >> then >> >>>>>>>>>>> said >> >>>>>>>>>>> nobody reply to him. >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Seems @openofficeorg has 1500 followers already. Unless there >> >>>>>>>>>> is >> >>>>>>>>>> another >> >>>>>>>>>> twitter account with more followers, I can't see much logic in >> not >> >>>>>>>>>> simply >> >>>>>>>>>> building around this account. Just need some strategic tweets >> >>>>>>>>>> so >> >>>>>>>>>> we >> >>>>>>>>>> can >> >>>>>>>>>> get >> >>>>>>>>>> followers to retweet and get more followers. If Alexandro is >> >>>>>>>>>> willing >> >>>>>>>>>> to >> >>>>>>>>>> maintain this as a PPMC member, what is the problem? >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> I have asked Alexandro many times over several months whether he >> >>>>>>>>> would >> >>>>>>>>> put that Twitter account under the control of the AOO PPMC, >> rather >> >>>>>>>>> than treat it as his personal account. He has not agreed to do >
Grouptweet on twitter account
I am testing this service called grouptweet, seems they could provide a good interface for group collaboration on the account. The site is http://grouptweet.com Seems this could work as a replacement for cotweet. So far I will need to add some twitter accounts that want to get on this testing phase. The way to publish tweets is rather simpler, since it just need to add @openofficeorg to the message to get it re-published under the @openofficeorg account. There are other messaging methods, lets see which is the best one. -- Alexandro Colorado OpenOffice.org Español http://es.openoffice.org
