Re: [Origami] Yet Another Birthday for the O-list!

[Anne LaVin via Origami]

On Thu, May 23, 2024 at 4:31 PM Laura R via Origami <
origami@lists.digitalorigami.com> wrote:

> Happy birthday dear O-List!
> Anne, do you happen to keep a copy of the first (or some of the first)
> email exchange?


The short answer is: yes, we have the data, possibly even all of it.

The longer answer is: it's not in easily shareable/archivable/viewable
format(s). It did take a while for things to get rolling, so the first
bundles of conversations are not all that interesting, really.

That said, "getting the o-list archives somewhere usable, sometime" has
long been on the list of things that would be nice to do for the list...
but it's a Pretty Serious Project, at this point. The data is stored in
multiple chunks, in random formats, so putting them all into something that
could act like a single mail archive would be quite a job. A huge pile of
the early messages were not kept as actual email messages, so their unique
message-IDs, which systems use for creating threading, don't exist any
more. They would likely take human intervention [and there are tens of
thousands of them!] to clean up into something like a real mail archive.
I've wondered, on and off, if there's a way to somehow wiki-fy [not
*actually* a wiki, just the concept] the information, and get volunteers
with the right mindset to attack it, and gradually tidy it up. But
wrangling that, and/or running/creating a system that would make such a
collaborative effort possible, is itself a pretty big project.

Anne



>
> > On May 23, 2024, at 5:12 PM, Anne LaVin via Origami <
> origami@lists.digitalorigami.com> wrote:
> >
> > Yep, the List is another year older.
> >
> > For this is the day when, back in 1988 (!) the first messages were
> exchanged in what would eventually migrate to this version of the List, run
> on a private server my husband and I maintain, using the open-source
> Mailman mailing list system.
> >
> > Pretty much everything has changed a lot since then, but the List is
> still getting used, so we're still here. Maybe this will be the year to
> migrate things to a forum-style backend (I hear good things about
> Discourse) but there will always be an email component for you diehards,
> never fear!
> >
> > I hope everyone is having a grand day. Do go fold something, and come
> back and tell us about it!
> >
> > Anne
> >
>
>

[Origami] Yet Another Birthday for the O-list!

[Anne LaVin via Origami]

Yep, the List is another year older.

For this is the day when, back in 1988 (!) the first messages were
exchanged in what would eventually migrate to this version of the List, run
on a private server my husband and I maintain, using the open-source
Mailman mailing list system.

Pretty much everything has changed a lot since then, but the List is still
getting used, so we're still here. Maybe this will be the year to migrate
things to a forum-style backend (I hear good things about Discourse) but
there will always be an email component for you diehards, never fear!

I hope everyone is having a grand day. Do go fold something, and come back
and tell us about it!

Anne

Re: [Origami] New instructional video release (Joseph Wu)

[Anne LaVin via Origami]

We are all, of course, very sorry to see anyone go, but wish you the best
of luck on 'net.

If anyone needs assistance with their list subscription, please contact the
list owners at:

  origami-own...@lists.digitalorigami.com

and we'll be happy to help.

Anne LaVin


On Mon, May 13, 2024 at 9:52 AM Anne Arrowsmith  wrote:

> Was waiting for the response. This is different. Unsubscribing.
>
> On Sun, May 12, 2024 at 6:58 PM Anne LaVin via Origami <
> origami@lists.digitalorigami.com> wrote:
>
>> We're very sorry that you found Joseph's post objectionable.
>>
>> Prior to his posting it, we discussed the content, and whether it would
>> cause problems on the list.
>>
>> We decided that, as stated in the message, sometimes art is indeed
>> political, and that folks might not agree with or be offended by the cause
>> it was created to support. The title of the piece made the content clear,
>> and readers could choose whether or not they wished to follow the link, or
>> ignore it.
>>
>> That an artist might make art supporting their views around such a
>> contentious, complex and difficult situation is hardly surprising. Posting
>> about the existence of such art was not intended to offend, nor make anyone
>> feel unwelcome or threatened in any way.
>>
>> And, at the end of the day, the post was about *origami art* - you might
>> not like how it was executed, what it represents, or what it is in support
>> of, but that happens, sometimes, with art.
>>
>> Anne LaVin
>> list admin
>>
>>
>> On Sun, May 12, 2024 at 6:55 PM Leslie Mitchell via Origami <
>> origami@lists.digitalorigami.com> wrote:
>>
>>> This posting & its linked video/commentary are entirely inappropriate
>>> for this list & I'm very surprised that it was allowed. I've been on this
>>> list for 20+ years & it's always been a fun, creative &
>>> *non-threatening* space for folders of any race/creed/religion, until
>>> today. The suggestion of discussing its art-related aspects rather than
>>> political implications for such inflammatory content is ridiculous. My
>>> comments have nothing to do with free speech, but rather with poor
>>> discretion, despite the link's origami-related content. I believe that this
>>> post is what should find another venue.
>>>
>>>
>>> Leslie
>>> __
>>>
>>>
>>> ...
>>>
>>> Date: Sat, 11 May 2024 12:31:23 -0700
>>> From: Joseph Wu 
>>> To: List Origami Mailing 
>>> Subject: [Origami] New instructional video release
>>> Message-ID: 
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>
>>> This list is not a place for political discussions, but art is sometimes
>>> political. I've created a piece (and released an instructional video for
>>> it) in support of a cause with which you might not agree, or find
>>> offensive. Please discuss the *art* or *origami* aspects of this here; if
>>> you wish to engage in political dialog, you'll need to find another venue.
>>>
>>> This piece, ?Cat Head for Palestine?, was originally designed for the
>>> Origami World Marathon 2024. Since I almost never make instructions of any
>>> kind, I decided to withdraw it from that event and to release it for this
>>> purpose instead.
>>>
>>> You can find the video, with more information about the design, here:
>>> https://vimeo.com/910557067
>>>
>>>

Re: [Origami] New instructional video release (Joseph Wu)

[Anne LaVin via Origami]

We're very sorry that you found Joseph's post objectionable.

Prior to his posting it, we discussed the content, and whether it would
cause problems on the list.

We decided that, as stated in the message, sometimes art is indeed
political, and that folks might not agree with or be offended by the cause
it was created to support. The title of the piece made the content clear,
and readers could choose whether or not they wished to follow the link, or
ignore it.

That an artist might make art supporting their views around such a
contentious, complex and difficult situation is hardly surprising. Posting
about the existence of such art was not intended to offend, nor make anyone
feel unwelcome or threatened in any way.

And, at the end of the day, the post was about *origami art* - you might
not like how it was executed, what it represents, or what it is in support
of, but that happens, sometimes, with art.

Anne LaVin
list admin


On Sun, May 12, 2024 at 6:55 PM Leslie Mitchell via Origami <
origami@lists.digitalorigami.com> wrote:

> This posting & its linked video/commentary are entirely inappropriate for
> this list & I'm very surprised that it was allowed. I've been on this list
> for 20+ years & it's always been a fun, creative & *non-threatening*
> space for folders of any race/creed/religion, until today. The suggestion
> of discussing its art-related aspects rather than political implications
> for such inflammatory content is ridiculous. My comments have nothing to
> do with free speech, but rather with poor discretion, despite the link's
> origami-related content. I believe that this post is what should find
> another venue.
>
>
> Leslie
> __
>
>
> On Sunday, May 12, 2024 at 12:00:05 PM EDT,
> origami-requ...@lists.digitalorigami.com <
> origami-requ...@lists.digitalorigami.com> wrote:
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> --
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 11 May 2024 12:31:23 -0700
> From: Joseph Wu 
> To: List Origami Mailing 
> Subject: [Origami] New instructional video release
> Message-ID: 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> This list is not a place for political discussions, but art is sometimes
> political. I've created a piece (and released an instructional video for
> it) in support of a cause with which you might not agree, or find
> offensive. Please discuss the *art* or *origami* aspects of this here; if
> you wish to engage in political dialog, you'll need to find another venue.
>
> This piece, ?Cat Head for Palestine?, was originally designed for the
> Origami World Marathon 2024. Since I almost never make instructions of any
> kind, I decided to withdraw it from that event and to release it for this
> purpose instead.
>
> You can find the video, with more information about the design, here:
> https://vimeo.com/910557067
>
> --
> Joseph Wu, Origami Artist (via iPhone)
> e: josep...@origami.as
> w: http://www.origami.as
> flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/josephwuorigami/
> facebook: http://www.facebook.com/joseph.wu.origami
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>

[Origami] March O-list Reminders: how to post, modify your subscription, etc.

[Anne LaVin via Origami]

*This month's factoid:*
This past month I've noticed a number of one-line messages consisting of
only a link URL in the message body. While this type of posting is common
in other types of social media, it doesn't actually work that well in email.

*One technical reason:* a single-line, URL-only message looks a lot like
spam to some of the over-zealous ISPs out there. You'll have far better
chances that your message will actually get delivered if you put some
commentary text in there with your link.

*And a human/communications reason:* email is, still, intended to be a
medium that involves at least little reading - part of the point of the
continued existence of the List is to provide a place for you to express
opinions, expound a bit on what something meant to you... a bit more than a
simple thumbs-up/unhappy-face/etc.

So, accompanying text is not a requirement - but it's highly encouraged!


*Things To Remember About This List:*
This mailing list, variously referred to as The Origami List, The O-list,
etc., is: unaffiliated with any particular origami association;
international; public; publicly archived; and set up to be entirely
self-service.

You can find the archives, subscribe, unsubscribe, and modify your list
subscription via this page, which you should bookmark somewhere secure:

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There will be a password associated with your subscription which you will
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well. (But if you lose it, you can ask the system to send it to you, never
fear.)

To post a message *to the entire list*, address it to:

 

If you're having trouble with the list, you can reach *only the list admins*,
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Please make a note of them all in a way that makes it possible to
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For the sake of your fellow list members and your admins, please try not to
send administrative stuff to the main list address, and please, never send
mail to the admins' personal email addresses with list admin stuff.

Thanks. Now, go fold something, and come back and tell us about it!

Anne LaVin
for the o-list admin gang

[Origami] FEBRUARY O-list REMINDER: how to post, modify your subscription, etc.

[Anne LaVin via Origami]

*This month's factoid:*

Tired of getting O-list mail one message at a time? You can get the mail in
"digest" format instead, once per day.

Specifically, each day at about midday US East Coast time, the server
bundles together the past 24 hours' worth of messages and sends it out in a
special format. Note that if there are no posts in a 24-hour period - which
does happen if the list is in a quiet phase - there will be no digest sent
out.

You can choose this setting in the user subscription area - see below.

(Also, no, you're not mis-remembering, there was no January reminder.
Entirely my fault, I forgot to set up the auto-delivery. Sorry 'bout that!)

*Things To Remember About This List:*

This mailing list, variously referred to as The Origami List, The O-list,
etc., is: unaffiliated with any particular origami association;
international; public; publicly archived; and set up to be entirely
self-service.

You can find the archives, subscribe, unsubscribe, and modify your list
subscription via this page, which you should bookmark somewhere secure:

 https://lists.digitalorigami.com/mailman/listinfo/origami

There will be a password associated with your subscription which you will
need to use to get to your profile page - please note that somewhere, as
well. (But if you lose it, you can ask the system to send it to you, never
fear.)

To post a message *to the entire list*, address it to:

 

If you're having trouble with the list, you can reach *only the list
admins*, at either of these addresses:

 
 

Please make a note of them all in a way that makes it possible to
distinguish where you're sending your mail.

For the sake of your fellow list members and your admins, please try not to
send administrative stuff to the main list address, and please, never send
mail to the admins' personal email addresses with list admin stuff.

Thanks. Now, go fold something, and come back and tell us about it!

Anne LaVin
for the o-list admin gang

[Origami] DECEMBER REMINDER: how to post, modify your subscription, etc.

[Anne LaVin via Origami]

This list, variously referred to as The Origami List, The O-list, etc., is:
unaffiliated with any particular origami association; international;
public; publicly archived; and is set up to be entirely self-service. You
can find the archives, subscribe, unsubscribe, and modify your list
subscription via this page:

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Please bookmark it somewhere secure! There will be a password associated
with your subscription which you will need to use to get to your profile
page - please note that somewhere, as well. If you lose it, you can ask the
system to send it to you.

To post a message *to the entire list*, address it to:

 

To reach *only the list admins*, address your mail to either:

 
 

Please make a note of them all in a way that makes it possible to
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For the sake of your fellow list members and your admins, please try not to
send administrative stuff to the main list address, and never send admin
mail to the admins' personal email addresses!

Thanks. Now, go fold something, and come back and tell us about it!

Anne LaVin
for the o-list admin gang

[Origami] ADMIN - Attachments, formats, etc. on the O-list

[Anne LaVin via Origami]

On Wed, Nov 22, 2023 at 9:12 AM Bernie Cosell 
wrote:
>
> It appears that this list doesn't allow attachments.. sigh.

Well, the List most definitely *does* allow attachments, it just didn't
allow the kind of attachment mechanism used in this particular email. (We
were allowing attachments via a restrictive "these types are ok, everything
else gets discarded" mechanism, instead of a more flexible "allow
attachments, except for these bad types" setup.)

I have modified the list settings to let more stuff through, hopefully it
will avoid this kind of thing in the future.

Of course, if anyone notices specific content or whole messages that do not
display in their mail app, please do NOT post the problem to the list
itself; instead inform either the original author of the message, or the
list admins - via email to either admin address:

 
 

...which you have all saved, right? - and we'll take a look! When you are
reporting a problem, please be prepared to describe the type of device,
operating system and mail application that you are using; screenshots of
the situation are also highly appreciated.

Anne
for the list admins

[Origami] NOVEMBER REMINDER: how to post, modify your subscription, etc.

[Anne LaVin via Origami]

This list, variously referred to as The Origami List, The O-list, etc., is:
unaffiliated with any particular origami association; international;
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can find the archives, subscribe, unsubscribe, and modify your list
subscription via this page:

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with your subscription which you will need to use to get to your profile
page - please note that somewhere, as well. If you lose it, you can ask the
system to send it to you.

To post a message *to the entire list*, address it to:

 

To reach *only the list admins*, address your mail to either:

 
 

Please make a note of them all in a way that makes it possible to
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For the sake of your fellow list members and your admins, please try not to
send administrative stuff to the main list address, and never send admin
mail to the admins' personal email addresses!

Thanks. Now, go fold something, and come back and tell us about it!

Anne LaVin
for the o-list admin gang

[Origami] OCTOBER REMINDER: how to post, modify your subscription, etc

[Anne LaVin via Origami]

This list, variously referred to as The Origami List, The O-list, etc., is:
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send administrative stuff to the main list address, and never send admin
mail to the admins' personal email addresses!

Thanks. Now, go fold something, and come back and tell us about it!

Anne LaVin
for the o-list admin gang

[Origami] MONTHLY REMINDER: how to post, modify your subscription, etc.

[Anne LaVin via Origami]

This list, variously referred to as The Origami List, The O-list, etc., is
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To post a message *to the entire list*, address it to:

 

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mail to the admins' personal email addresses!

Thanks. Now, go fold something, and come back and tell us about it!

Anne LaVin
for the o-list admin gang

[Origami] MONTHLY REMINDER: list info link and email addresses

[Anne LaVin via Origami]

This list, variously referred to as The Origami List, The O-list, etc., is
public, publicly archived, and is intended to be entirely self-service. You
can find the archives, subscribe, unsubscribe, and modify your list
subscription via this page:

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please note that somewhere, as well. If you lose it, you can ask the system
to send it to you.

To post a message *to the entire list*, address it to:

 

To reach *only the list admins*, address your mail to either:

 
 

Please make a note of them all in a way that makes it possible to
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For the sake of your fellow list members and your admins, please try not to
send administrative stuff to the main list address, and never send admin
mail to the admins' personal email addresses!

Thanks. Now, go fold something, and come back and tell us about it!

Anne LaVin
for the o-list admin gang

[Origami] MONTHLY REMINDER: list info link and email addresses

[Anne LaVin via Origami]

This list, variously referred to as The Origami List, The O-list, etc., is
public, publicly archived, and is intended to be entirely self-service. You
can find the archives, subscribe, unsubscribe, and modify your list
subscription via this page:

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Please bookmark it somewhere secure! There will be a password associated
with your subscription which you will need to get to your profile page;
please note that somewhere, as well. If you lose it, you can ask the system
to send it to you.

To post a message *to the entire list*, address it to:

 

To reach *only the list admins*, address your mail to either:

 
 

Please make a note of them all in a way that makes it possible to
distinguish where you're sending your mail.

For the sake of your fellow list members and your admins, please try not to
send administrative stuff to the main list address, and never send admin
mail to the admins' personal email addresses!

Thanks. Now, go fold something, and come back and tell us about it!

Anne LaVin
for the o-list admin gang

[Origami] ADMIN REMINDER: list info link and email addresses

[Anne LaVin via Origami]

Recent list-admin-related activity has motivated me to resurrect an old
list service, that of a monthly admin post reminding folks how the list
works, including important links and addresses. So:

This list, variously referred to as The Origami List, The O-list, etc., is
public, publicly archived, and is intended to be entirely self-service. You
can find the archives, subscribe, unsubscribe, and modify your list
subscription via this page:

 https://lists.digitalorigami.com/mailman/listinfo/origami

Please bookmark it somewhere secure! There will be a password associated
with your subscription which you will need to get to your profile page;
please note that somewhere, as well. If you lose it, you can ask the system
to send it to you.

To post a message *to the entire list*, address it to:

 

To reach *only the list admins*, address your mail to either:

 
 

Please make a note of them all in a way that makes it possible to
distinguish where you're sending your mail.

For the sake of your fellow list members and your admins, please try not to
send administrative stuff to the main list address, and never send admin
mail to the admins' personal email addresses!

Thanks. Now, go fold something, and come back and tell us about it!

Anne LaVin
for the o-list admin gang

Re: [Origami] Blind-accessible/telephone origami (was: How to fold an Origami Crane according to Chat GPT)

[Anne LaVin via Origami]

On Sun, Feb 19, 2023 at 12:41 PM wanderer via Origami <
origami@lists.digitalorigami.com> wrote:

> Thanks Laura - that’s a great article.
>
> And I think parts of it are online on instagram as well. However - if
> anyone wants to read article, but cannot because of NYT paywall, lmk. I’ll
> be happy to make PDF or take screenshots for y’all.
>

The digital interfaces to the NYT generally give subscribers the ability to
share ("gift") a certain number of articles per month for free. Please
consider using this facility to share articles, rather than sending
copyrighted material around on the list. If you cannot find the "gift this
article" link, or your subscription doesn't give you that access, let me
know, I can do so.

Thanks,

Anne

Re: [Origami] Books discussions + Re: Tanteidan Convention book #1 (1995)

[Anne LaVin via Origami]

First off, let me wish all the O-list members, far and near, a very happy
new year!

On Sat, Dec 31, 2022 at 7:40 AM Lorenzo via Origami <
origami@lists.digitalorigami.com> wrote:

>
> Just a note about this topic (books/publications): I held back from
> sending these kinds of messages to the list, in the past, because I thought
> (and still think) these are interesting topics for a small part of the
> origamists only. And I didn't want to bother the list.
> Recently, I received only a few signs of interest for a separate group
> (focused to books/publications only). Too few, in my opinion, to give life
> to something that has a future, and certainly I don't want to promote any
> separation or "restricted" group, at all, and furthermore I'm also
> discontinuous in my activities, so it has to be a shared effort.
> So, please, keep contacting me privately, if interested in discussing
> about collecting books, as we can sort out a proper solution (such as a
> public FB page which anyone can consult, without having the email inbox
> flooded).
>

I will play devil's advocate, here, and ask *why* a group mailing list is
not a "proper" solution for this discussion? Even if a particular topic is
of interest to only part of the community, isn't that nearly always true,
for any given thread?

While I am the first to agree that the use of email (and the technology
that people use to read and send it) has not evolved in a way that makes
true discussion lists all that common any more, this is a pretty
low-traffic list at the moment. It could, in my opinion, certainly
withstand some regular discussion of something as important to the
community as origami books and other publications.

If that level of list traffic were to be perceived as a "flood", or if this
sort of thing is somehow no longer desired by the list membership, well,
does anyone have a better idea for some sort of forum that would support
such a discussion? Should we finally find another underlying solution for a
home for the O-list community?

Personally, I do not think that a social-media page is really that great a
way to have a discussion; but then, email has its own limitations, too.
Honestly, no matter what you do, it's hard to have a *conversation* with
1200 people!

 - Email lists lately seem to mostly get used for one-way,
announcement-style stuff;

 - Facebook pages require a user to "go" to a spot to make sure they see
all the new material (and even then The Algorithm tries hard to only show
you what it thinks you want) and then dig through nested comments to follow
a conversation; and don't even go into what happens when users have blocked
or unfollowed each other so that no one can actually see a whole thread;

 - other social media's interfaces tend to focus on the imagery (still or
video);

 - forums or bulletin-board-like setups require a user to "go" there, and
then typically sub-divide content to the point that conversations die out
because they get hopelessly specific

And few systems are going to make it easy for folks to discuss something
for more than a few back-and-forth comments if they're coming in on a phone
or similar device.

It comes down to what specific sort of conversation does one want, and on
what topic, and how do you want people to interact with it, what people,
how often, etc.?  I think if one can try to nail down some of those
answers, then there's hope of creating a viable place for a particular
online (sub)-community to exist.

I have a server which could run any number of things - would something
other than email be useful, here?

Anne

Re: [Origami] Tanteidan Convention book #1 (1995)

[Anne LaVin via Origami]

On Fri, Dec 30, 2022 at 8:22 AM Lorenzo via Origami <
origami@lists.digitalorigami.com> wrote:

> Hi everybody,
> happy new 2023 (or Guten Rutsch, as they say in Germany).
>
> Do any of you know who owns the Convention book from the 1st Tanteidan
> Convention in 1995?
> If you have any hint for me, where to search / who to ask... it'd be very
> appreciated.
>

This book is long (long) out of print, was privately printed (no ISBN)
and had a small production run. It is quite rare, in other words. A copy
has occasionally been sold (for, as I recall, several hundred dollars) when
auctioned a couple of times at Tokyo Tanteidan conventions in the past.

Wishing I owned a copy, myself!

I wonder if the Tanteidan powers-that-be could be persuaded to re-issue it,
and/or its similarly out-of-print siblings...

Anne

Re: [Origami] Questions about the establishment of Origami Day in Japan

[Anne LaVin via Origami]

On Wed, Nov 9, 2022 at 9:40 PM gera...@neorigami.com 
wrote:

> So I'm a bit curious about the stablishment of November 11 as Origami Day
> in Japan. Who participated in its establishment? In what year was it
> established?
>
> I know of two versions as to why was that date chosen as Origami Day: (a)
> 11/11 represent the four sides of a square of paper like the ones used most
> often for origami nowadays, and (b) the First World War Armistice was
> signed in that date, but in 1918, and since the origami crane became a
> symbol of peace with the passing of Sadako Sasaki, November 11 was
> considered a good date to celebrate origami.
>
> Is one of these two the main reason as to why that date was chosen? If so,
> which one? Was there another reason?
>

Here's some background direct from the JOAS website:

  https://origami.jp/world-origami-days/

which also attempts to link to this page (the link is broken, but I figured
out what it was supposed to be) which states that the 11/11 is indeed a
reference to 4 equal sides of a square, but doesn't give more detail:

  https://www.kinenbi.gr.jp/main.php?MD=3=218

"Origami Day
Established by the Japan Origami Association for the purpose of letting
many people know the fun and educational effects of origami. This is
because if each 1 of this day, which has four 1s in a row, is regarded as
one side of a square origami, it will represent a total of 4 sides."

(Original Japanese:
おりがみの楽しさ、教育的な効果などを多くの人に知ってもらうことを目的に株式会社日本折紙協会が制定。日付は数字の１が４つ並ぶこの日のそれぞれの１を正方形のおりがみの１辺と見立てると、全部で４辺を表すことになるため。)

This references NOA ( 日本折紙協会), not JOAS, so I'm gathering it was something
originally started by them. You might try writing to them, or JOAS, for
more of the history.

Anne

Re: [Origami] Research on gender differences in origami

[Anne LaVin via Origami]

On Fri, Aug 12, 2022 at 4:20 PM Joseph Wu  wrote:

> On 2022-08-12 10:46, jscu...@ohiopaperfolders.com wrote:
> > And at the CenterFold origami convention based solely on the names of
> attendees this year was 52% "female".  2019 was 54%.  Some of those are
> non-binary, trans etc.  Just going by eyeballing the list of names
>
> I'm impressed you could tell so much from a list of names.
>

As my mom used to say to us on road trips: "Don't make me pull over, you
two."

Since of course one cannot accurately deduce someone's gender from their
name, I interpreted this as meaning that as convention organizer, from
personal interactions, John knows that the numbers are not 100% accurate,
but are just rough ballpark figures.

 ... and moved on, keeping the discussion about *origami*. Which is what I
request we do, here.

Anne

Re: [Origami] Research on gender differences in origami

[Anne LaVin via Origami]

On Fri, Aug 12, 2022 at 9:43 AM Elina Gor via Origami <
origami@lists.digitalorigami.com> wrote:

> Thank you everyone who answered my request.
> I tried different academic databases like Google scholar, Proquest etc.
> But I didn't find what I was looking for. That's why I used this platform
> to find the answers.
> Thanks again to all of you who replied to me and shared their thoughts and
> experience.
> I would be happy to accept more of this.
>

I wonder if there's enough data in, say, the Origami Database (
https://oriwiki.com/) to pull out information along the lines of "how many
pieces of what type have been designed by folks who identify as a
particular gender per year?" This would only capture things
designed-and-published, but still could be could be an interesting thing to
chart over time.

Though there is no gender information in the database (at the moment) it's
not such a large community that that would be impossible to gather; and
information about where something is published and the date of the
publication is in there, I believe, or at least obtainable. Perhaps the
database maintainers could be convinced to do some interesting queries on
the existing data?

Much harder to capture is if there's any difference in *interest in folding
particular styles/types/etc. of origami* tied to any particular genders.
Maybe some kind of online survey could yield some interesting numbers?

And as a list admin I'll add a mild plea to everyone to recall that the
purpose of this list is to discuss origami, and that arguments about
gender, per se, are not appropriate here. Polite corrections or additions
to someone's content are fine, but let's please give everyone the benefit
of doubt and not assume anyone is trying to be insulting or non-inclusive.
This is an area of discourse where language and norms are rapidly evolving.
Be careful in what you say, and lenient in what you accept.

Anne

[Origami] ADMIN: a note about adding people to a post via CC

[Anne LaVin via Origami]

In short: please don't.

Slightly longer: Please do not intentionally add anyone (or any other list)
via the CC field when posting to the list.

Why? Read on:

We generally have not allowed multiple recipients on O-list postings in
order to stop cross-posting between lists (makes for unwieldy
conversations) and to stop people from mass-CC'ing a ton of people on a
post (potentially exposing their addresses to the public list without their
consent).

We've had to very-slightly-relax this requirement to allow the *author* of
a post to be copied on a reply, which sometimes happens automatically due
to a complicated side effect of some modern email security settings.

So while you may sometimes see a list posting whose "To:" field looks like
this:

  To: , 

You should not, generally, see - nor, more importantly, *try to create* -
one that is of the form:

  To: 
  CC: 

with or without an extra person on the "To" field. I've just let one
through that has someone CC'd, but they're already on the thread, so there
is no particular harm in it, and it was easier to approve than have the
author re-write it.

But if you add someone to the CC field, it will likely cause the admins to
have to approve the message, which delays your message, and is more work
for us, neither of which is optimal.   :)

So, go fold something, come back and tell us, eschew CC'ing, 

Anne

[Origami] Happy Birthday to the O-list!

[Anne LaVin]

Hey, list folk -

I've been mostly away from origami stuff, lately, but my calendar reminded
me of it, so I wanted to jump in and say happy birthday to the list! It was
on this day, way back in 1988, that the first posts were exchanged on what
would eventually migrate to this version of the list setup. Yes, that is
officially a Really Long Time. :)

We're running on a private server that I maintain, using the open-source
Mailman mailing list system. Everything involved - including me - is aging
a bit, perhaps, but still happy to chug along. Even though there are so
many other outlets for people to discuss, post & chat, we're all still
here, and I'll keep the list running as long as there's a use for it.

Remember: administrative questions should go to <
origami-own...@lists.digitalorigami.com>; posts for the list to <
origami@lists.digitalorigami.com>; and you can update & modify your
subscription (the list is primarily self-service) from here:

 https://lists.digitalorigami.com/mailman/listinfo/origami

Bookmark/save it all somewhere so it's easy for you to find. Please don't
send admin stuff to my personal address.

So, go fold something! Come back and tell us about it!

Anne

Re: [Origami] Where does on change the kind of topics they do and do not wish to receive?

[Anne LaVin]

On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 8:21 AM Paul Hoffman 
wrote:

> Where does one change the kind of topics they do and do not wish to
> receive? I have been unable to find this option.
>
> Happy folding, creasing, diagramming, and tessellating to all
>

With a list of this size and traffic volume, it has never been an issue; no
one has ever asked for sub-topic-subscriptions.

The mailing list system we use for the list (Mailman) does have a “topics”
facility built in, but it’s pretty complicated and - here’s the tricky part
- requires users to pay strict attention to adding keywords to the body or
subject of the messages. (Interesting side effect: any message without
keywords, or without anyone subscribed to those keywords, *will not get
delivered to anyone*.) Other than a rough idea of how it behaves, in fact,
I have no idea how it works in practice, having never had a list that used
it.

Given the list members’ propensity (more properly, lack thereof) for
wanting to be constrained in their posting habits and/or doing anything in
particular to the content or format to get stuff to go through, plus the
current traffic volume, I’m disinclined to try to institute such a system
for this list.

That said, if a bunch of people are interested in it (perhaps sub-topics
would in fact make more people contribute? Who know?) and want to test it
out and/or propose such a change and what it would mean for this list, I’m
happy to set up a test list and give y’all admin access to its
configuration, and you can go off and try it.

Let me know!

Anne LaVin

>

Re: [Origami] Origami

[Anne LaVin]

On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 7:39 PM Keith Garner  wrote:

> Does anybody talk about origami anymore? I don’t want to sound mean or
> anything like that, however, if origami and origami issue are not the main
> topic, please have me removed from this list.
>

As I said at the beginning of this discussion, perhaps it got buried:

We are offering this list as a neutral forum to provide a home for this
important discussion for a short time.

All the posts have "CoC" in their subject, so you can filter those messages
away if you're not interested in this topic; Gmail in particular has
extremely powerful filtering capabilities, see this help topic for
assistance: https://support.google.com/mail/answer/6579?hl=en

But the list, which is and always has been what you all make of it, is
still running, and anyone should feel free to talk about any other
origami-related things, of course!

But if anyone wishes to (temporarily) have their list mail suspended - keep
their subscription, but have no mail delivered to them - I'm happy to do so
for the duration of the conversation, and will turn it back on when things
have settled.

Send email to the list admin help address (not my personal address!) here,
for help:  

Anne

Re: [Origami] COC: Rules of conduct (RoC) and Centerfold.

[Anne LaVin]

On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 3:24 PM Anne LaVin  wrote:

>
> *I will be an ally.  *
>

I was reminded, off-list, that even general community efforts towards CoCs
and related behavior can be somewhat fraught: in this example, I am only
potentially useful as an ally for someone in trouble *if I can be trusted*.
I like to think that I could be, but a complete stranger has no way of
knowing this, of course. And a Bad Actor could do exactly as I have done in
order to get close to someone vulnerable. People do suck, sometimes.

Just goes to show that this stuff is Not Easy. And that in a
convention/event context, it's probable that the Con organizers would have
to designate "official" folks to be available to help, if only for their
own liability.

Still, it's the community as a whole that can work towards creating an
appropriate and welcoming culture, and that's still on all of *us*.

Anne

Re: [Origami] Rules of conduct (RoC) and Centerfold.

[Anne LaVin]

On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 10:04 AM Weinstein, Michael 
wrote:
> Says me if we can’t have a gathering of adults for one weekend without
the expectation that everyone can be civil to everyone,

That ship has, clearly, already sailed, and years ago at that. We're
fooling ourselves if we think our community is just one big happy family
all the time.

Which is not to say that there aren't a lot of great people in origami, and
that for the most part, people treat each other quite well. In my own
personal experience, anyway, most people at origami conventions actually
treat each other *better* than out in the big old real world. But it's
clear that bad stuff happens in our little corner, too.

> we just shouldn’t do it. My enthusiasm for Origami conventions has taken
a BIG nosedive over this.

This has rattled me, solidly, for the past week. I am horrified to have
heard from friends and colleagues about some of their experiences. But
rather than making me want to avoid the community or its events ... it
makes me want to help fix it. Hence this discussion.

> There is one aspect of this whole RoC discussion that REALLY bothers me.
Lots of folks have said they support RoC for lots of reasons.  Doesn’t
sound so bad, writing one of these things looks like the work of a couple
hours.  Enforcing it, another matter entirely.
>
> My employer has a Human Resources Department.  Allegations of harassment,
discrimination and other maladaptive behavior get sent there.  Such
allegations are handled by a professional staff that is well paid and
trained to handle such situations in a professional manner.
>
> This is what the volunteers of Centerfold have been asked to do.  And I
will note that no where have I seen even one person volunteer to write said
RoC and/or implement it at Centerfold.

Actually, we've had one generous list member, with professional experience
in just such things, volunteer right here on the list. Perhaps you missed
it? Carol Martinson stepped up right at the start.

> I for one don’t want to go anywhere near it.  You can wind up in the
middle of things you don’t want to be in the middle of.

There was an excellent show on TV for a while called "Dirty Jobs," which
celebrated those who do the work that makes "civilized life possible for
the rest of us." I'd classify this as exactly that. No one is saying this
is especially easy, but that doesn't mean it isn't important to try.

And here's a thing: have any of the organizations *asked for assistance*? I
haven't seen any organization ask their membership for help drafting such a
thing (not that I couldn't have missed such a call for volunteers, it's not
like I'm a member everywhere nor do I see everything) nor ask specifically
for this kind of volunteer help at conventions. (OrigamiUSA drafted
their CoC internally, I believe, and then added to it with some
cyber-specific guidelines, an effort of which I was a part in my capacity
as website/sysadmin volunteer.) Surely among the larger origami community
there are others who, like Carol, have both professional experience or
expertise they could apply there. Or what about advisors from groups who
are frequently targets of harassment? Might not input from such
organizations also guide us?

So, you all out there - do we have any lawyers, HR folk, event organizers,
etc.,  who've created and implemented CoCs in their communities who could
step up? Are there volunteers who'd be interested in helping out at
conventions or other events? Are there members of any communities who've
been involved in (or want to start) some kind of education and ally-ship
efforts to open up and bring communities together to support each other?

Because it seems to me that there's not just the "we convention-goers want
our conventions to be better, organizers please help" here, there's also
*us*. We *are* the community. How can we help each other?

Maybe it's a tiny thing, but here, I'll start, and I mean it:

*I will be an ally. Anyone, for any reason, at any convention that I'm
attending, can call or message me, or snag me in person, if you need a hand
in a bad situation, or a way to navigate around one. I don't need to know
you. Tell me you need help, and I will do whatever I can.*

Anne

>

Re: [Origami] Coc: Role of OUSA Board

[Anne LaVin]

On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 11:56 AM Galen Pickett 
wrote:

> OUSA has an elected board, accepts monetary payments, and is nonprofit (I
> hope).
>

Indeed, OrigamiUSA is a registerd 501(c)3 charitable corporation.


> And there is a convention subcommittee.
>
> Ordinarily, the Board is the body who is *insured* and has the authority
> to just by fiat state what the CoC will be.
>
> The discussion to this point is solely advisory, isn't it?  The process
> would usually be for the convention committee to propose CoC and for the
> board to approve them.
>
> And then it is up to individuals in the community to decide if they can
> live with those.  What is the value to the community cross-talk on this
> issue?  Particularly *now* when every single last social media platform is
> tuned to stoke outrage and crosstalk.
>
> I have no guidance on what the content of CoC should be, but are not all
> the options and issues clear for an agendized Board discussion and decision?
>

This entire discussion is not specifically about any one organization, nor
its specific CoC, if it has one. This mailing list has exactly nothing to
do with OrigamiUSA, as it is a public list unaffiliated with any origami
association.  (It is true, of course, that I am a member of that
organization, as are, I'm sure, a great many general list members.) We
offered the list as a discussion forum specifically to try to de-outrage
and rationalize some discourse, since that clearly wasn't happening
elsewhere.

This is intended to be a *community* discussion, to help spread awareness
of the issues, their seriousness, and perhaps to give community members a
chance to help advocate for convention organizers (any of them, anywhere,
not any one) to consider adopting or modifying such policies.

Anne

[Origami] Focus on why a CoC, and another example

[Anne LaVin]

Let's not allow tales of extreme behavior and edge cases to distract from
the reality that *there have been real and serious issues between members
of the origami community*, which means that some people now feel unsafe at
community events.

Do we not, as a community, have a responsibility to make sure that everyone
is made to feel welcome, that the expected norms are made clear, and that
there is a publicized and reliable process for dealing with problems when
they do arise? To recognize that there are groups of people who, for all
the varied societal reasons, are often marginalized, disrespected,
harassed, and assaulted, and find ways to welcome and support them?

Since the origami and origami convention world is not unique in having
these issues, there have been many efforts to get such policies adopted in
a wide range of types of gatherings, and lots of people have written
different ones for different communities and situations. OUSA assembled
one, and it tries to combine all the functions - from education about the
norms, to lots of specifics about dos and don'ts, to the processes for
reporting and dealing with a problem. Is it perfect? Probably not, but it's
a start.

Below is the text of a counter example. It is an intentionally extremely
short, tight and simple Code written by a lawyer who covers such issues.

What's it missing? Something which serves the education/norm-explanation
function - modeling good behavior and explaining boundaries. But it's a
really interesting legally-reasonable document. Adopting something like
that and perhaps creating some other material to help educate people on
what "civil" and "respectful" mean, would go a long way towards creating a
pretty good system.

Is implementing such a system more work for a convention organizer?
Absolutely.

But isn't welcoming, protecting and providing a safe place for us *all* to
practice our beloved art together worth it?


 
(https://www.codemag.com/article/1601021/Legal-Notes-Code-of-Conduct)

Who is covered?

Anyone who is affiliated with this Conference (The "Participant") is
expected to conduct oneself in a civil manner and treat any other
Participant with respect and civility. (The "Standard of Conduct"). A
Participant includes, but is not limited to any Conference attendee, guest,
sponsor, or staff.

What is covered?

The Standard of Conduct is defined by what is deemed to be generally
accepted by the Conference; the conference location (the "Venue"); the
Venue's own standards of conduct, rules and regulations; or any legal
authority of which the Venue or Participant is subject. Any other conduct
by a Participant that otherwise disrupts another Participant's Conference
experience shall be covered as well.

How is this enforced?

Only timely and direct reports of violations with sufficient factual
details to the Conference can be investigated. Upon investigation,
allegations may result in sanctions including, but not limited to expulsion
from the Conference and Venue without recourse. Any report deemed to have
not been made in good faith or with a reasonable factual basis shall be
treated as a violation. Investigations and sanctions imposed shall be
conducted and determined in the sole discretion of the Conference. Nothing
in this Standard of Conduct interferes with or discourages a Participant
from exercising his or her right to contact the Venue and/or law
enforcement directly and in such a case the Conference shall fully
cooperate with the Venue and law enforcement.
  

Re: [Origami] CoC - Kicking off the Discussion

[Anne LaVin]

On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 6:49 PM John Scully 
wrote:
> ...

From: Origami  On Behalf Of
Joseph Wu
...

OK, the two of you will refrain from talking to each other directly, from
commenting about the other's real world, Facebook or list-based actions,
behavior, specific wording, rhetorical tactics, etc.  Feel free to
reference specific CoC-related material that the other posts, answer
questions put forth in each other's posts, make suggestions or proposals
about anything having to do with the desirability, design, use,
implementation, or really anything specifically CoC-related that could move
the discussion forward in some way.

Anything else will not be let through.

Are we having fun yet?

Anne

[Origami] admin notes - issues for Yahoo users, and list archives

[Anne LaVin]

Problems delivering promptly to Yahoo:
#

My apologies, Yahoo users, but it appears that Yahoo is holding up mail
from our server for an unknowable amount of time each time someone posts.
This means that it may take several hours for you to receive O-list
postings. I'll try to track this down, but Yahoo has a history of being
unfriendly to mailing lists...

O-list archives:
#

The O-list is publicly archived (with a very short delay) at this location:

   https://www.mail-archive.com/origami@lists.digitalorigami.com/

>From that interface, you can search, sort by date or by subject thread.
(Email addresses are protected in the archive.)

Questions? As always, contact:   

Please do not send list-related email directly to my personal address.

Anne

[Origami] Ground rules for Origami convention Codes of Conduct discussion

[Anne LaVin]

Upon reflection, in our modern era of everyone-is-always-connected, a
6-hour wait for posts to be OK'd would likely interfere too much with the
flow of discussion. I'm going to dial it back to an hour, and urge everyone
to do their own "cooling off" before posting anything.

So, ground rules for the discussion, into which you can launch, if desired,
as of Sunday morning, May 16th, US East-coast time:

 - everyone on the list is moderated

 - all CoC-related posts will be held for at least one hour; you must
remove your own post if you change your mind or wish to resubmit

 - all CoC-related posts must have the letters "coc" in the subject, e.g:

Subject: CoC - this is the subject

  - watch your language; I'm a sailor, I know swearing. Do not go there.

  - be polite; no SHOUTING IN CAPITALS

  - no name-calling, personal attacks, or ad hominem arguments. ("I think
person A is a bad person, so their arguments are invalid.") Stick to
arguing about the value of the propositions, not the people in the
discussion.


#   Failure to abide by these rules of discussion
#   will result in your temporary removal from the list.


Questions about the list interface, adjusting your subscription, etc.?
Direct them to:

   

Anything related to the list, or this discussion, and directed to my
personal email account will be deleted, unread.

Anne

Re: [Origami] CoC Re: A difficult conversation comes to the O-list

[Anne LaVin]

On Sat, May 15, 2021 at 7:12 AM Papirfoldning.dk 
wrote:

> > On 15 May 2021, at 03.12, Anne LaVin  wrote:
> > 
> > As many of you may know, there's been a bit of an explosion recently
> over the topic of adoption of Codes of Conduct (aka "CoC") at Origami
> conventions, and lots of very heated online discussion, primarily on the
> Facebook platform.
> It is always useful from time to time to remind ourselves how to interact
> at social media.
>
> For the many of us who have not followed any Facebook discussions on
> origami and CoC, could somebody try to summarise the main positions
> neutrally? That is, plainly state the goals and arguments without loaded
> words. I assume there are at least two positions, probably more.
>

I'm not sure I know of a thoroughly neutral party who could do this, and
I'm going to stay out of the conversation to moderate the list traffic.
Also, I'd like the actual discussion to start tomorrow, Sunday, not today,
to give everyone time to adjust their list settings and think about the
topic.

But the kernel of the issue is: there have been incidents, of varying
degrees of severity from harassment to physical assault, at origami
conventions and inside the origami community at large. Some community
members believe that all convention organizers should adopt some form of a
CoC for handling any incidents, and others do not.

The discussion on FB got extremely heated, and the vagaries of the FB
interface created too many, impossible-to-follow threads.

We're offering the O-list as a content-persistent, open forum so anyone who
wishes to talk about it publicly may do so.

I have some further procedural thoughts which I'll share separately.

Anne

[Origami] A difficult conversation comes to the O-list

[Anne LaVin]

As many of you may know, there's been a bit of an explosion recently over
the topic of adoption of Codes of Conduct (aka "CoC") at Origami
conventions, and lots of very heated online discussion, primarily on the
Facebook platform. In the interest of clearing the air, and giving people
an open forum in which to talk about this, we are opening discussion here,
starting on *Sunday, May 16th*.

Because of the randomness of the Facebook interface, maintaining a public
discussion there is quite difficult. We thought the O-list, as a public
forum, might be able to help by providing a neutral platform, one where
everyone can see everything, users cannot block each other, and content
cannot be deleted - the list is publicly archived. List traffic has been
pretty light, lately, too, so it’s not like a temporarily-busy conversation
would drown anything out.

Since one of our moderators and list owners, Joseph Wu, was involved in the
Facebook conversations, he's agreed to temporarily step down as moderator
here, leaving me in charge of the list and its moderation.

I will state at the outset that I feel this issue is important, or I
wouldn’t be agreeing to take this on, nor offering the list as a tool for
discussion. I myself had not spent much time thinking about these issues,
but over this past week have come to understand the value such guidelines
provide, even in our "safe" little corner of the universe. We have to
remember that the greater world, of which the origami community is but a
subset, has its serious issues, and occasional bad actors. Helping protect
the members of our community against those bad actors is important - and
policies and procedures like Codes of Conduct provide structures and
frameworks for helping people feel safe. More importantly, knowing that
these structures exist encourages people to come forward when there are
problems.

All that said, I hope you trust that I will moderate this discussion
fairly, openly and transparently. I haven’t spent literal decades keeping
this list running without learning how to apply guidelines evenly!

So, since this is likely to be contentious, there are ground rules (a meta
Code of Conduct, if you will) and temporary changes to how the list will
operate, to whit:

  - Joseph will (temporarily) step down from the group of list
administrators;

  - All posts to the list will (temporarily) be moderated. All non-CoC
posts will be OK'd as promptly as the moderator(s) can get to them

  - All CoC-related postings will have a mandatory minimum 6-hour "cooling
off" period; if this happens during my nighttime hours, it may be longer -
I have to sleep sometime - but content will be let through in the order
sent. During "cooling off," you have the opportunity to delete your own
posts - do so if you wish to resend any particular posting. Anyone
resending without deleting the original, first, will have both copies
deleted; I won't have time to sort through versions. Once a message is OK’d
by an admin, there is no calling it back.

If you’re not interested in reading about this topic, I suggest you create
a filter to pull out CoC-related mail (it will all have "coc" in the
subject, see below.)

If, instead, anyone wishes to temporarily have their list subscriptions set
to "no mail" for the duration of the conversation, please contact me at <
origami-own...@lists.digitalorigami.com> and I'll be happy to do so for
you, and will re-enable mail delivery for you when the conversation dies
down.

To participate:

  - all CoC-related posts must have the letters "coc" in the subject, e.g:

Subject: CoC - this is the subject

  - watch your language; I'm a sailor, I know swearing. Do not go there.

  - be polite; no SHOUTING IN CAPITALS

  - no name-calling, personal attacks, or ad hominem arguments. ("I think
person A is a bad person, so their arguments are invalid.") Stick to
arguing about the value of the propositions, not the people in the
discussion.


**Failure to abide by the above rules will get you temporarily removed from
the list**.

Questions? Want to see the moderation/deletion thing in action before you
post? Contact me before Sunday at: 

Any list-related or CoC-conversation-related email sent to my personal
address will be deleted, unread.

Please be reasonable, be sane, and use this discussion forum well.

Anne

Re: [Origami] The O-list and Origami-L?

[Anne LaVin]

On Sun, May 2, 2021 at 3:09 PM Gerardo @neorigami.com 
wrote:

> I have had this confusion for years, but only now I dare to ask. I was a
> bit embarrassed for not knowing.
>
> What is the O-list and Origami-L? I think they are mailing lists. Am I
> right? Is this very list one or the other? Is one of them an older and now
> closed mailing list? Are they two different names of the same mailing list?
> If so, what caused the creation of two names or a single list?
>

They're just nicknames for this mailing list; they evolved over time, as
the list moved between hosting services and the like.

Not entirely sure where "o-list" came from (though it's certainly the kind
of thing I'd come up with, maybe I'm to blame?); but "Origami-L" is from
the far distant past when the list was run on the MIT mainframe with
software called LISTSERV, and it was customary to label lists with
{something}-L.

Hope that's useful! You should have asked sooner!  :)

Anne

Re: [Origami] Past archives about origami in professions

[Anne LaVin]

On Sat, Jan 9, 2021 at 12:26 PM Yoko Goodman  wrote:

>
> I’m hoping to access the archives posts so I can read how others used
> origami skills in profession, academic studies, etc.
>

The list archives (as well links to use to adjust your subscription
settings, get help, etc.) are accessible from this page:

  https://lists.digitalorigami.com/mailman/listinfo/origami

Those archives go back to 2015. There are currently no publicly-searchable
older archives for the list; building such a service has long been on our
"gee wouldn't it be nice if..." project list, but alas, none of your admins
have had the time to work on such a thing.

Anne

[Origami] a couple of requests from your list admins

[Anne LaVin]

Hi, everyone! Just a couple of requests:

 - please don't use any URL shortening services (like tinyurl and its
cousins) when posting web addresses to the list. A large number of ISPs
think any message with such a URL in it is spam, and so the initial message
bounces, and then the replies that include the original bounce as well...
and so on. You'll get your email through to more people if you just include
the actual link.

 - this time of year (holidays? winter break?) people seem to have their
account storage quotas fill up more often - if you're going to be away from
your email, please make sure that you leave enough quota in your account to
handle any list mail that might pile up there. The list server will
automatically stop delivering to your account, and eventually unsubscribe
you, if you're over quota for too long.

 - try to remember what account you used to sign up for the list, and only
post replies from that account. To stop spam, the list server only allows
subscribed members to post to the list. We're seeing increasing numbers of
messages from people using alternate email addresses to reply, which cause
work for us (to let you know it didn't go through) and you (to have to
resend your message from the right address.) Contact the admins:

  

if you need help figuring out what address you subscribed with, or if you
don't have "send" access to the account any more, or similar problems.

Thanks.

We hope everyone is weathering the end of this crazy year as well as can
be. Now, go fold something and come back and tell us about it!

Anne

Re: [Origami] Japanese translation apps

[Anne LaVin]

On Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 8:33 PM Linda Munich  wrote:

> Hello fellow folders,
> Can anyone recommend a Japanese translation app for translating directions
> in model books?
>

Machine translation of Japanese is (still) unfortunately pretty rough. That
said, Google's translation app (available for phones) has both a "live" and
photo-based mode that can be pretty helpful for looking up individual
characters or phrases.

Be aware that Japanese uses no spaces between words, and relies on
inflected word endings and particles for lots of details, which can make it
challenging to decide what chunks of text to look up; and it can be written
either horizontally (read left to right) or vertically (read right to left)
which, if you're really unfamiliar with the language, can make it a bit
visually confusing. Most modern origami books are written with horizontal
text, read left to right, but some older stuff (notably Yoshizawa's books,
but some older Kasahara titles, too) has the text written vertically. The
spacing between lines will always give you a visual clue as to which way to
read the text (more space between lines than between individual characters.)

I am not remotely adult-literate, but can chunk my way through text if
needed, so don't hesitate to ask here if  you have any specific questions!

Anne

Re: [Origami] How to get to the class

[Anne LaVin]

On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 1:09 PM Keinan Weissberg 
wrote:

> Hello, it is Keinan Weissberg again and I would like to  ast another
> question.
> Did the classes already start? If it did, how do I get to the classes?
> Thank you for helping me out origami masters.
>

Hi, Keinan!

Bear in mind that this mailing list has over 1200 members, scattered all
over the planet; you'll need to be much more specific if you ask a question
like this.

What classes, specifically, are you talking about? Who's organizing them?
Where did you hear/read about them?

Anne LaVin

[Origami] Nice article on Origami in the New York Times

[Anne LaVin]

Nov. 22nd, 2019: "The Modern Life of Origami, an Art as Old as Paper"
(https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/22/arts/design/modern-origami-art.html)

Tons of photos, and a good - for a change, no "nerdfest" feeling, this time
- take on the range of the art, and the social aspects of it, too.

(I think the NYT allows non-subscribers a limited number of articles, so
everyone should be able to read it, if you haven't used up your free
allowance already!)

Enjoy!

Anne

[Origami] Amusing (if a bit hackneyed) origami reference

[Anne LaVin]

In today's New York Times crossword, origami (and possibly the most
over-used origami-related pun involving "increasing") features prominently.
I'll not post the answer so as not to spoil it for any of you who do the
crossword. If you don't care about spoilers, then the full answer is
available here:

http://rexwordpuzzle.blogspot.com/2019/10/galactic-empire-superweapon-wed-10-16.html

(NB: the blog is that of a crossword enthusiast, who is, usually,
hyper-critical of the puzzles. He had all sorts of issues with today's
puzzle, and didn't like the quote-theme, declaring it "dumb." Oh well.)

The author of today's puzzle is named Peter Collins - I haven't chased down
whether it's the Collins of paper airplane fame. If so, it's definitely
extra entertaining.

Enjoy!

Anne

Re: [Origami] AMIN notice: please read, everyone!

[Anne LaVin]

On Sun, Apr 28, 2019 at 8:37 AM Ronald Koh  wrote:

> It's about time. 


Having described, explained, and defended the list editorial/readability
guidelines, publicly and privately, _ad nauseam_, for oh, the last decade
or so, I will not do so again here.

Ron - and any others who felt this way - we are truly sorry you found
adhering to the readability guidelines too much of a burden, and that it
interfered with your enthusiasm for participating on the list; that was
certainly never the intent.

"Moderated" status (for that is what it is called when one's posts are held
by the system to be OK'd by a list moderator) is not a punishment, it is
essentially the only way we can actually get a list member's attention when
they are not playing by the rules. Anyone who asks to be de-moderated (via
mail *to the admin address*, not to me or Joseph, and not to the list) and
who has shown that they know how to play in this particular sandbox by
posting origami-related, non-spam, appropriately structured content, can
have that status changed.

I do not think that a discussion of the merits of top- vs. bottom-quoting
on mailing lists is of interest here going forward, nor, it being an
insolvable "religious" issue, will such a discussion produce any results,
so I respectfully suggest that we end this thread here.

If anyone ever has any questions, concerns or problems with the list, its
policies, or the system itself, please send email to the list admins at:

  

And we'll be happy to discuss it with you.

Anne

[Origami] AMIN notice: please read, everyone!

[Anne LaVin]

Since the list membership, by and large, cannot seem to adhere to our
quoting guidelines (edited, quoted material FIRST, new material LAST), and
because your list admins do not have the time to reject, explain, and then
field irate responses to such editorial processes any longer, we're
relaxing the policy.

Quote however you like.

We reserve the right to reject one-word/one-line messages with seventy-five
levels of previously quoted material, however, so do attempt to limit
quoted stuff when replying, at least. Full quoted digests will always be
rejected.

Digest subscribers, we apologize if this makes the daily digests hard to
read. (See, there was a *reason* we had this policy for the list. It was
not random.) We recommend you switch to regular delivery, and filter your
messages into a single folder, and read the list mail that way. If you need
assistance changing your list settings (we regret we cannot help with
individual mail software questions), send email to:

  

and we'll be happy to help. But, please, do not send email to our personal
email addresses with list-related requests.

On with your Saturdays, fold something, tell us about it, etc., etc.

Anne
for the list admin gang

[Origami] (ADMIN) Users of "Avast" anti-virus, please read

[Anne LaVin]

While a nicely functional (and free) piece of anti-virus software, Avast
follows the rather aggressive tactic of, by default, forcibly inserting
text ("virus-free" with a link to their website) into all its users
outgoing mail.

This assertion is meaningless - it's just text inserted into the body of
your mail, you could just as well have typed it yourself - and as such it
is simply free advertising for Avast.

Since we eschew advertising here on the list, we're asking all of you who
use this application to please go in and disable this functionality.
Messages for moderated users which have this footer will be bounced back,
and un-moderated users who post with it will be moderated until they remove
the advertising.

To do so (on Windows, anyway, your mileage may vary, depending on your
platform, but the basic process should be similar):

 - start the Avast application
 - select the "Menu" option at upper right
 - select "Settings" from the dropdown menu there
 - in "General" settings, unselect the "Enable Avast email signature"

Thank you for helping keep the list as annoyance-free as possible.

Now please go fold something cool, and come back and tell us about it!

Anne

Re: [Origami] Looking for a book title translation

[Anne LaVin]

On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 2:02 PM FOLD  wrote:

> I am beginning to think I am the only person that has this book. I can't
> find it on the internet anywhere other than a list of Japanese title and
> that doesn't help.
>
> It is a Tokomo Fuse book. ISBN 4-416-30300-9. Google translates it to
> something like "Origami Small Items for Living." But that sounds so
> stilted.
>

Sounds like this book, which I've translated as "Stylish Origami
Accessories":

 https://www.librarything.com/work/1906620/book/152470137

I've put all my books into LibraryThing; it's a very cool system, and works
really well. I attempted to translate any titles, especially Japanese ones,
so that folks who don't read another language have something to use,
anyway. My collection is reachable here:


https://www.librarything.com/catalog.php?view=anne.lavin=450392=list=authorunflip


Hope that's useful!

Anne

[Origami] Help bring a special group of guests to PCOC 2019!

[Anne LaVin]

This is a cool fundraising project, with time sensitive content, so please
read on and act quickly if you are interested in supporting the project!
Every little bit helps.

The organizing team for the Pacific Coast OrigamiUSA Convention (coming
September 2019 to Portland, Oregon, USA) has invited Spanish folder Oriol
Esteve as one of the sponsored guests. If you've had the pleasure to meet
Oriol, you'll know he's a member of the "OAS (Origami Always Succeed!)"
group, made up of fellow folders/designers Enrique Martinez, Marc Vigo, and
Joel Garcia Moix.

If you don't know them, they're unique in their origami design approach and
are considered by anyone who's ever interacted with them to be
inspirational, super fun and helpful as teachers and friends. In their own
words, here's a short read (pdf) on the "Legend of OAS":

  https://bit.ly/2MEQ2Fi

A fundraiser has been started to sponsor *all* of OAS to be special guests
at the convention. Normally outside the scope of the budget for such an
event, having the full team at PCOC would make for a great experience for
all.

The fundraiser - an all-or-nothing that will only go forward if the goal is
reached - ends Dec. 15th and is accessible here:

  https://FundRazr.com/OAS-PCOC2019

In addition, there's a time-limited $1,000 matching donation (just until
Dec 3) in effect. This is generously being offered by Arlene Gorchov (Mark
Kennedy's widow) who says she knows that Mark would have wanted to help.
Thank you, Arlene!

The fundraiser includes various perks - diagrams, folded pieces signed by
the OAS team, etc., and at least one free diagram for anyone who goes to
the fundraiser page. More perks and diagrams are being added - I've just
heard that Nicolas Terry is contributing a new design shortly - so take a
look.

Lastly, I highly recommend following the fundraiser page (
https://fundrazr.com/OAS-PCOC2019) or their Facebook fundraiser page (
https://m.facebook.com/OAS.Origami.Always.Succeed/) since there's little
time left. I suspect they'll come up with other interesting offers to try
and meet their goal.

Please consider donating, even if you can't come to PCOC 2019 - it's a
great cause which will benefit a big chunk of the origami community!

Anne

[Origami] ADMIN - why accounts are "moderated"

[Anne LaVin]

First, understand that ALL USERS START OUT MODERATED. It is not punishment,
it is the normal state of things.

You'll know your account is moderated if you send mail to the O-list
posting address, and get back a message with the subject:

  "Your message to Origami awaits moderator approval"

Do not panic: it just means that your posts will be held temporarily by the
system until a list administrator checks it over to make sure it's OK for
the list.

If, through repeated posting to the list, it is made clear that you
understand:

 - what the list is for (all things related to origami),
 - that commercial posts should only be occasional
 - that there are formatting guidelines (plain text, quoted material
FIRST, replies LAST)
 - not to send attachments
 - not to CC anyone when posting

...and that you show you are not a list-troll subscribing in order to cause
trouble or send spam, then you can ask (ONLY via mail to the admin address,
given below) to be de-moderated, and your posts will go through to the
entire list membership immediately, with no admin action involved.

If a user fails to abide by the list guidelines, then our one and only
mechanism for getting their attention... is to re-moderate their account.
When we do this, we give a date after which they can request to be
re-de-moderated. (Nice word, eh?)  It is in no way punitive, it's just to
provide the user with a reinforcement of the guidelines.

Heck, *my own account* on the list is moderated. I do this - yes, having to
take the step of going into the admin interface and OK'ing each and every
one of my own posts - to make sure that I don't send list administrative
stuff to the entire community by mistake.

If you post only infrequently, we suggest that you keep the moderated
status, as it's easy to forget the formatting guidelines. Messages are
usually OK'd pretty quickly, though problematic ones may languish a little
longer, as they require admin intervention, by hand.

I hope that helps explain things a bit.

As always, contact us at the list admin address (never personal addresses!):

  

if you have any questions or problems with the list system.

Fold something! Tell us about it!

Anne
for the list admins


P.S. And, yes, if you're thinking that all these rules are annoying - I
agree, they are indeed a curb on any given individual's behavior, thwarting
any desire to do things any which way they please. But the bad-behavers,
the spammers, and the needs of the many (list mail should be readable by
all) outweigh the mild annoyance to the individual, we believe. Best we can
do with the tools and volunteer resources we have. Should we morph the list
to some sort of forum system with an email component? Probably. In my
non-existent spare time, I'm testing some stuff, behind the scenes. More
later, when and if we can get to it!

[Origami] [ADMIN] Server changes, hopefully user-invisible!

[Anne LaVin]

Hi everyone -

In an effort to stem the rising flood of list spam (which, thankfully, only
we admins have to deal with - so far nothing gets through to the list
itself) I've made a couple of back-end server changes.

This should not be user-visible in any way; but on the odd chance that you
suddenly find that you cannot send email to the list, please *contact me
directly* and let me know.

(This is the one situation in which you should not use the administrative
list address to contact us. Recall that the regular admin address for all
list-function-related questions is:

  

and which you've all added to your address books, by now, I'm sure.)

Thanks, as you were, fold something, write about it, etc., etc.

Anne

[Origami] [ADMIN] One way to get your O-list messages to more people

[Anne LaVin]

Several recent list messages have resulted, each, in a flurry of
auto-rejected mail bounced back to the admins. What these messages have in
common is that they contain very little text, with basically only a single
web link as the body of the message... and that makes them look like spam
to the (many, over-aggressive, and not-too-clever) anti-spam filters out
there.

This means that in each case, some good fraction of the list population
failed to see the message at all - it was simply rejected by other members'
ISPs, and never delivered to some unknowable number of people.

So: to maximize your chances of your mail getting delivered to people,
please consider writing actual commentary about the link you're passing on.
Say something about what you found interesting about it, how you're going
to use it, or what it will mean to you, etc., etc.  It will make the
message look less like random spam, and be more likely to be delivered -
and, as a side-effect, your message might itself be inherently interesting,
too! Everybody wins!

Put another way: mailing lists are not Twitter, they are not Facebook, and
they are not text messaging; they're a medium where you are *encouraged* to
write actual words, in actual sentences, that say something meaningful
(perhaps whole paragraphs-ful!) about the list topic.

Go forth and compose email... about folding. Or, well, maybe go forth and
fold, and then write to tell us about it!

Anne
for the list admin gang
(who are getting really tired of the spam-war fallout)


P.S. This idea of writing actual content holds for "me too!" or "cool!'
reply posts. Do refrain from those, too. They work elsewhere, they're silly
on email discussion lists.

[Origami] ADMIN - reminder: what to do when you think the list is acting oddly

[Anne LaVin]

Hi, everyone!

Just a friendly reminder from your list admins that when you have a
question about the list functionality, you should send email to the ADMIN
ADDRESS:

  origami-own...@lists.digitalorigami.com

(Bookmark it! Save it in your address book! Tattoo it somewhere!)

If (and only if) that doesn't get an answer from one of us in a day or so,
then feel free to email me personally. (NB: this is the only situation in
which I will handle admin requests sent to my personal email address.)

Never send administrative stuff to the list POSTING ADDRESS, i.e. that
which you use to reach all 1200+ list members:

  origami@lists.digitalorigami.com

Please note the difference, and save them both in your mail application so
that it's clear where you're sending your outgoing mail.

Your list admins and fellow list members (who want to read about origami,
not list administrivia) thank you for your attention.

Now go fold something, and come back and tell us about it!

Anne

Re: [Origami] copyright question about modification of traditional origami model

[Anne LaVin]

On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 12:11 AM, Hadi Tahir via Origami <
origami@lists.digitalorigami.com> wrote:

>
> i've made a video tutorial on youtube about origami sampan, based on a
> modified tradiotional origami sampan.
> here is the diagrams: https://haditahir.wordpress.
> com/2016/04/19/origami-perahu-sampan/
> well, i've never claimed that it is my design, since it doesn't differ
> much from the original origami sampan, and i still consider it just a
> modified traditional model that everybody can use for free.
>
> but a month ago, someone sent me a message, that my video infringes
> someone's copyright (http://www.origami-make.org/
> origami-boat-large-sampan.php (published on December 1, 2010)) which i
> have never known before, and asked me to remove the video.
>
> can anybody give me an advise of what i should do? should i remove the
> video, or should i keep it and give some explanation about the case?
>

By my understanding, if something does not have a copyright (e.g. a
traditional origami design, like the Sampan) then if you make some kind of
copy of it, *your new copy cannot have a copyright, either*. If you manage
to add something new/creative to the work, then your copyright would be
*only* in that new, creative bit, but not the traditional parts. And if you
came up with the new, creative stuff independently from someone else, then
you do have your own rights to that new part.

So if their video is just a video of the traditional sampan design, they
cannot have any copyright in their video, except those features of the
video which could be deemed new and, especially, creative. If theirs is a
similar modification to yours, and you both came up with it independently,
then you both have the right to create instructions for it.

If your video does not look like theirs - does not look like a *copy* of
theirs - but is just a video instruction of your sequence of folds of the
sampan, with some modifications... then I don't think they can complain.

And given Youtube's general position on video-re-diagramming of
otherwise-published pieces, I would say they would support you in this. If
you are not distributing a *copy* of these other people's video, but your
own version, then this is no different from people who do video
instructions for things published elsewhere in print - which we know
Youtube allows. So it would seem to me you're fine either way. Worst case,
really, is that the other people complain to Youtube, and Youtube could
take your video down. But I think you'd have a strong case for your own
rights to produce the video, and could counter any complaints.

But, of course, I am not a lawyer. If you're really concerned, you need to
seek an actual attorney's advice.

Anne

Re: [Origami] Masu box

[Anne LaVin]

On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 10:15 PM, cafe...@pacific.net 
wrote:
>
> What does "masu" mean in Japanese?

Japanese has lots and lots of homophones (words that sound the same but
mean different things.)

My dictionary says that its primary meaning is "measuring container;
measure". Written with a different, but related, kanji character, it means
"box" as in theater-seating; it also can refer to a square on a grid, or
the bearing block at the top of a pillar.

> Looked online and found one source that defined the word as an
affirmative ending of a verb. Masen being the negative.

Not as a separate word, really, it is the imperfect postitive verb ending,
yes. So the verb "wakaru" (to understand) is conjugated "wakarimasu" ([I]
understand), for example.

> Another source said "masu" means "you."

None of my dictionaries have that, but as I said, Japanese abounds in
homophones. Just checked the Japanese wikipedia, and apparently it's also a
fish (trout relative, looks like.) There's a disambiguation page for the
word which has lots of other options (a bunch of transliterations from
English of the word "mass," among others).

But:

> Does the term Masu Box mean anything special?

Historically, rice was measured with small, square wooden boxes - these are
themselves just called "masu" in Japanese, and as such, "masu box" in
English is actually a bit redundant. A "masu" just is one of those objects.
Here's a (Japanese) wikipedia page about it:  https://tinyurl.com/ycomu8up

Hope that helps!

Anne

Re: [Origami] Registering copyright to my origami work

[Anne LaVin]

Ah, copyright.

Note that I am not a lawyer (but I am married to one) and you cannot nor
should take this as specific legal advice. Please consider this an educated
layperson's interpretation for fellow laypeople! Consult an attorney of
your own if you're inclined to move forward on such things.

On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 2:11 PM, John Rodriguez 
wrote:
> ...
>
> How do I register my origami work?

If you mean register a copyright, first understand you do not need to do
anything to *have* a copyright in something. As soon as you have created
it, you have a copyright in it. (Assuming it is an "original work[...] of
authorship fixed in any tangible medium of expression" which are the words
from the US statute. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/102)

That said, if you do register your work with the US copyright office, then
if someone infringes your work and you sue them and you win, you're
entitled to "statutory damages" - the legally-proscribed amounts of money
for each case of infringement. These are large sums of money, which can
make it worth one's while to register a work (which is expensive.) But
notice the chain of "ifs" - someone must infringe upon your work, you have
to sue them, and you have to win the suit. If the work is worth a lot, then
it can be worth one's while to register it. But for a single origami piece,
it's probably cost-prohibitive.

Also, it's important to understand what the "work" is. It is not the
folding sequence itself: copyright does not protect ideas. You have a
copyright in a particular set of origami instructions (drawn, video, etc.),
the crease pattern, and the finished piece itself (as a piece of sculptural
art.)

> How can I check if the model was designed or discovered before?

This is a much harder question. There is no central database of origami
designs. (And ever if there were, how would it work? I've long wondered if
one could use fingerprint-scanning logic to, say, compare crease patterns,
and try to determine that way if a piece is different from another...
anyone want to write such a system?)

You can look through books, dig through the Origami Database (oriwiki.com),
you can ask here on the list or other Internet channels, you can scour
photo sites for similar work. But even if someone else has created a piece,
it is still possible for you to have come up with it entirely on your own.
It is hard to prove this, of course (hard to prove a negative - "I never
saw that book") but it does happen, especially with modular origami, or
simple pieces.

If you truly come up with something yourself, and someone else also has
done so, then you BOTH have a copyright in the piece. A lot of the time,
the later creator will give credit to the earlier one, but explain that
they created theirs independently, and that seems to satisfy most people.
Maybe some creators can weigh in on this situation.

> I know a variation doesn't count, but what is the limit of a variation and
> a original work?

This is very much a gray area, and not easy to define even for types of art
that have a lot of copyright cases decided about them (music, video,
photography, etc.) There are somewhat elusive concepts in play in the
statutes and case law (e.g. "derivative work" and "transformative use")
that do not exactly mean what the words usually mean in English, and make
it hard to nail this issue down precisely.

But since copyright is about creativity, specifically, if you make changes
to something and those changes themselves are sufficiently creative - not
obvious, not taking one thing and changing the shaping, say - then it might
well be a new work.

I hope that helps a bit, anyway!

Anne

[Origami] [ADMIN] How to reply/quote on this mailing list (please read!)

[Anne LaVin]

Hi, everyone! It's been ages since I've needed to write in with an admin
note, but the current topic has lots of people posting, and so I fear we
need a reminder on the editorial style we enforce on the list, namely:

 quoted material FIRST, new material LAST

So when you want to reply to the list:

 (1) use "reply" (not "reply-all") and make sure that you're sending to the
list posting address, and ONLY the list posting address  - no CC's:

   

 (2) EDIT the quoted material down to that which is absolutely necessary to
give context to your comments;

 (3) EDIT the subject line, if necessary (true for digest readers) to make
it applicable to your specific thread;

 (3) go to the bottom of the email composition window and enter your new
material.

This modest effort on your part greatly increases the readability of your
messages to your world-wide audience of over 1200 people. Remember, too,
that lots of people read messages in the archives, and well-edited content
with context makes a huge difference there.

And, yes, we are aware that this is the exact opposite of the way every
mail application in the universe have trained us to behave by now, but
there's a method to the madness: it makes the content much, much easier to
follow. This is especially true for the very many list members who read the
list as one long "digest" each day, with all the messages strung together
in one long post.

Thanks! Now go fold something (anyone know if the Blade Runner Unicorn
exists anywhere?) and come back and tell us about it!

Anne
for the list admin gang

P.S. And, yes, occasionally you'll see someone with an un-moderated list
account send in a message that isn't quoted this way. When this happens,
they get email from us, and their accounts are moderated for a set time as
a reminder of the formatting. Fair's fair!

Re: [Origami] Lexus commercial model

[Anne LaVin]

On Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 2:21 PM, Diana Lee via Origami <
origami@lists.digitalorigami.com> wrote:

> I'm not entirely sure, but I don't think that is a dodecahedron.  It may
> be an icosahedron.
> The model could be the stellated icosahedron shown on this page:
>   https://www.origami-resource-center.com/polyhedra-origami.html


The shape appears to be a stellated octahedron, not a dodeca- or
icosadhedron. The "bumps" have triangular bases, which rules out anything
dodecahedral (pentagonal faces/bases of the "bumps") and there just aren't
enough faces for an icosahedron.

On the Lexus enthusiast page that Peter found:

https://lexusenthusiast.com/2018/03/08/lexus-celebrates-owners-with-new-commercial/

in addition to the advertisement itself, there's a behind-the-scenes video
that talks about the origami, but sadly never gives a particular designer
credit for the origami piece itself. Of which, according to the video,
there are 2000 in the hanging arrangement!

(The direct Youtube link to the behind-the-scenes video is here:
https://youtu.be/xA18TAbnCYY )

The artist interviewed (who appears to have designed the hanging 3D shape
part - he calls himself a "perceptual artist") calls the origami piece
(around time mark 0:44) something that sounds like "katana" which I'm going
to guess is him mis-speaking/mis-remembering the word "kusudama." (TOTAL
conjecture on my part. But the word "katana" in Japanese means "sword" so
something's odd there.)  At time mark 0:47 there's a very clear shot of the
pieces. It looks like it's made from just a few piece, or maybe even one
piece - you can see that there aren't very many seams.

So, 'fess up, creators - anyone know who did the origami?

Anne

Re: [Origami] Origami Shop Order Processing Delay

[Anne LaVin]

On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 9:01 PM, Rob Hudson  wrote:

> Has anyone else had an issue with Origami-Shop not processing orders
> quickly? I ordered a digital download and just assumed it would be
> available immediately, but the order is still hung in the queue.
>

You did, of course, ask via the addresses listed at the shop's website
before sending this message to all of us here on the list, right? Did you
not hear back, or did the mail bounce?

I've seen nothing but friendly, prompt and all-around exceptional service
from the (small) gang at origami-shop.com, myself.

Anne

[Origami] World Origami Days 2017

[Anne LaVin]

Hey, it's October 24th - that's the start of "World Origami Days" (
https://origamiusa.org/wod, http://www.origami.gr.jp/WOD/2017/ [in
Japanese])

WOD is a multi-week celebration of origami spanning from today, October
24th, the birthday of Lillian Oppenheimer (founder of the first origami
group in the US) to November 11th, which is Origami Day in Japan. The goal
is to share the joy of origami, world wide, in any way you can.

I encourage everyone to fold something (at least one thing! you have two
and a half weeks!) and post it online somewhere, and send us a link here on
the list. (Remember, you cannot send images *to the list itself*.) If you
like, you can download an official "World Origami Days 2017" label and put
it in your picture, get yours here:

http://www.origamihouse.jp/wod2017/Application.html

There's a Flickr group, too: https://www.flickr.com/groups/worldorigamidays/

And of course posting and sharing other's photos on Facebook is a fine way
to share the fun (and let your non-origami friends about this cool thing
you do.)

To start it off, I folded the "Makoto Rose" by Yamaguchi Makoto; here's the
blog entry:

https://gofoldsomething.wordpress.com/2017/10/24/yamaguchis-makoto-rose-wod-2017-1/

Enjoy!

Anne

Re: [Origami] Convention

[Anne LaVin]

On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 6:38 PM,  wrote:

> Has anyone posted photos from the Convention? I could not attend this year
> and would love to see photos.
>

You don't say which convention you mean (this is an international list,
after all!) but given the timing I'll assume you mean the OrigamiUSA
convention that just took place in New York, NY.

I haven't seen anyone post any albums, yet, but the OrigamiUSA webmaster -
who is currently at another convention - attempts to corral any linkable
albums on a photo gallery page, which, once the dust settles, should be
reachable from the convention archives page, here:

  https://origamiusa.org/conventions_archives

And, of course, if anyone has any photo albums of the OrigamiUSA event,
please get in touch with the web team via email to 
with details!

Anne

[Origami] Gallery Origami House - ad campaign w/ crease pattern & instructions!

[Anne LaVin]

Gallery Origami House (http://www.origamihouse.jp/) is doing art for a
newspaper ad campaign for a company that makes bug spray.

You can see the artwork here:

  http://www.origamihouse.jp/works/17work/kincho.html

which also has links to a downloadable crease pattern, and the
instructional video for the piece is embedded on that page.

They leave the end result as a surprise - hint: remember the company's
product...

Enjoy!

Anne

[Origami] Request for assistance with Lang's "Lion" from Origami Animals

[Anne LaVin]

Hey, list hive-mind - we list admins received this request from a
non-member who's looking for folding help:

 --- Forwarded message ---

...at origami artist Robert Lang's website he suggests submitting a query
to this list for questions about folding his designs.  I am trying to fold
the lion from his book Origami Animals, and I'm hung up at steps 35-37 on
p. 100.  I have looked for a YouTube video that might show how to fold this
design, but the only Robert Lang lion I can find is a different design,
from his Origami Zoo book.  Please let me know if and how I might be able
to receive assistance with this query.

Thank you,
Amy Ziffer
amyzif...@earthlink.net

 ---

Please respond directly to Amy (not to the list - she won't see it; nor to
me) if you can provide any assistance.

Thanks,

Anne

[Origami] ADMIN - reminder of list guidelines

[Anne LaVin]

We've been fielding a lot of messages lately that we have to bounce back to
their authors, so I wanted to remind the list membership of a few things.

First, fundamentally, remember that list mail is not the same as
interpersonal mail: you're talking to over 1,000 people, and different
rules apply!

 - When you reply to a list message, the list address (not the author of
the message) should automatically show up in the "to" field if you're using
a normal mail application. Do not use "reply-all." Do not CC anyone,
including yourself.

 - When replying, put quoted text FIRST; edit the quoted text to the bare
minimum necessary to give context to your post; then put your new text
LAST. There should be nothing at the end of the message except your
signature.

 - The list only allows subscribed members to post; your mail must say that
it is FROM the address you used to sign up for the list.

To post to the list, address your mail to:  <
origami@lists.digitalorigami.com>

To reach the list admins:  <origami-own...@lists.digitalorigami.com>

To modify your subscription, change address, etc., go to:

  https://lists.digitalorigami.com/mailman/listinfo/origami

Questions? Contact us at the address given above (please do not send mail
directly to my personal account.)

Anne LaVin
for the list admin gang

Re: [Origami] Origami question - origami Santa iemo.jp

[Anne LaVin]

On Sat, Apr 22, 2017 at 12:19 PM, Todd Sovey  wrote:

> On google,  if you type origami Santa iemo.jp,  you will get a photo of an
> origami Santa on Pinterest.  Do you know how I can get the diagram for it?
>

I think (though it's hard to tell exactly) that this Japanese blog might be
the original source of the image:

https://plaza.rakuten.co.jp/anzubiyori/diary/?ctgy=6

(look for "Dec 15, 2010" to find the specific entry.) Google translate
implies that the blog author may have come up with this specific version of
the piece on their own, so there may be no diagrams.

Five minutes of noodling with a piece of paper, however, and I managed to
get a pretty good replica, myself - the points of the lapels are two
neighboring corners of the paper (square) folded into the center; the
opposite edge of the square is folded over a couple of times to make the
brim, fold the brim down to the lapels, then fold the sides down to make
the point of the hat (folding it into thirds works nicely, and you even
have a spot to tuck one of the sides into); then fold the lapels.

Hope that's useful!

Anne

Re: [Origami] Robert Neale puzzle - Three in a Row

[Anne LaVin]

On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 4:16 AM, David Mitchell <
davidmitchell...@btinternet.com> wrote:

> It is not often you have the joy of revealing a never before published
> design by Robert Neale ... but here's one.
>
> Diagrams for his Three in a Row puzzle can now be found at
> http://www.origamiheaven.com/puzzles.htm.
>

...in the instructions you forgot to mention that the resulting flat strip
has one of each color *on both sides*! At least, my solution does. Not sure
if it's the only solution, maybe there are others?

Very cool indeed, Dave, thanks for sharing this, and thanks to Bob Neale
for a clever puzzle!

Anne

Re: [Origami] best book for origami beginner

[Anne LaVin]

On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 6:48 PM, Dick and Serena LaVine 
wrote:
>
> ...
> I know there are many great books out there designed partly or fully for
> beginners, but I'd love to hear your suggestions.

Last fall, when I was folding and blogging about a bunch of stuff around
World Origami Days, a friend of mine asked for a list of interesting books
for beginners, so I wrote this:

  https://gofoldsomething.wordpress.com/where-to-start/

As I say on the blog, it is a slightly idiosyncratic list, and some of the
pieces will be a stretch for an absolute beginner, but I think a bunch of
them are more interesting than the average beginner book for one reason or
another. All should still be available, though some are out of print and so
will have to be obtained used.

Cover art, a short description and a link to at least one place you can
purchase the books are also listed there.

Here's the list of titles:

10-Fold Origami by Peter Engel
Origami Made Easy by Kunihiko Kasahara
Polyhedron Origami for Beginners by Miyuki Kawamura
Ultimate Origami for Beginners kit by Michael LaFosse and Richard Alexander
Easy Origami and Easy Dollar Bill Origami by John Montroll
Origami Sketchbook by Angel Morollon
Origami Plain and Simple by Robert Neale and Tom Hull
Origami Kit (for Dummies) and A Beginner’s Guide to Origami by Nick Robinson

Lack of inclusion in this list shouldn't be taken as disrespect for a book!
These are just ones that I have found most useful, personally. There are
also lots of nice titles in Japanese, but they are generally harder for
people outside of Japan to hunt down.

Hope that's useful - if you think I've seriously missed one, let me know!

Anne

[Origami] Admin Apologies

[Anne LaVin]

Hi everyone - sorry about the outage on the O-list the past couple of days.
(I thought things were just quiet - which does happen, occasionally.)

The list is now, as far as I can tell, fully functional again.

(It turns out we'd made a change elsewhere on the server, believing it
would have no impact on the mailing list stuff... but turned it out that it
did. And it broke things in such a way that the only thing that didn't work
was *actually accepting incoming list mail*, and that was the one thing I
didn't explicitly test, having nothing origami-related to say to everyone,
and figuring others would, and that someone would complain right away if
posting didn't work. Except no one did. Hindsight is 20/20, and of course I
should have tested it more carefully, and will do so more thoroughly in the
future.)

Remember, in the event of a list problem, send email to the list admins:

  origami-own...@lists.digitalorigami.com

(make a note of it! it's not the same as the list address!)

If you don't hear anything back fairly promptly (like, within a day) or
mail to the admin address bounces, then feel free to send me a message
personally.

Thanks, and sorry again for the outage. Surely with so little list mail
flying around, everyone had lots of time to fold fun stuff, right? Tell us
about it!

Anne

Re: [Origami] Regarding the Christmas Origami Book

[Anne LaVin]

On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 10:30 AM, Anna <origa...@gmail.com> wrote:

> 2016-11-06 10:49 GMT+01:00 Wolf Weidner <m...@tavinsorigami.com>:
>
> > it's  illegal. If you don't get every contributer to agree to it. You
> > never aquired publishing rights.
>
> Illegal is a harsh word.


Indeed it is. Might be milder to say "this might be a violation of the
individual authors' copyrights." It all depends on what agreements are in
place, etc.

But it might be most productive here (especially since legal stuff gets
awfully complicated, particularly internationally) to simply honor the
contributors' expectations of how and to whom their work(s) would be
published.


> I'm asking the contributors here whether they
> agree or not.


...and it looks like Anna is doing exactly that.

If anyone who takes issue with having their stuff publicly distributed has
a way to back out of the new distribution, then I think this all seems
perfectly reasonable and fair to everyone. (Not to mention super-generous
to we general public folk who haven't submitted diagrams - thanks for even
considering offering these to everyone!)

Anne LaVin

[Origami] ADMIN - Greetings from a new server!

[Anne LaVin]

At long last, we have moved the O-list to a new server with more modern
underlying software, including the Mailman list service package which runs
this list.

This change should be completely invisible to everyone, except for one
lovely fact: Yahoo- and AOL-based-mail users may now post directly, and do
not need to have their messages forwarded on by the list admins.

But if you see anything odd, or anything about your interactions with the
list or the server seem off, please let us know by sending mail to:

  

(This is the *admin* address - please put it in your address book for
safekeeping - and is completely distinct from the address to which you send
list list messages, i.e. . Consider
programming that into your address books, too.)

The server's dead, long live the new server.



Now, please go fold something awesome, and come back and tell us about it!

Anne

[Origami] Most Ridiculous Invention (FWD for AOL user)

[Anne LaVin]

[Note from your list admin: I am forwarding this for AOL user
dermothaye...@aol.com, please reply to the list or to the original author,
not to me.]

Hi

This product looks awkward for Origami !!
Thought I'd post for others to comment

http://money.aol.co.uk/2016/08/09/paper-fold-ease-most-ridiculous-dragons-den-request-yet/

Dermot

[Origami] How to fold this hexagon (FWD for Yahoo user)

[Anne LaVin]

[Note from your list admin: I am forwarding this for Yahoo user Diana Lee <
boostdi...@yahoo.com>, please reply to the list or to the original author,
not to me.]

Hi,

does anyone have an idea as to how this hexagon was made?

http://img.weburbanist.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Screen-Shot-2016-05-02-at-5.32.54-PM-468x324.png

It has that interesting flap that looks like a duck-bill.
Any insight would be appreciated.

thanks in advance, Diana

[Origami] Have you seen this cat? [FWD for Yahoo user]

[Anne LaVin]

[Note from your list admin: I am forwarding this for Yahoo user <
dawn_...@yahoo.com>, please reply to the list or to her, not to me.]

Does anyone recognize this cat model? Are the diagrams published? I wonder
if the designer knows it it being used here.

http://www.themarysue.com/ambitious-kitten-eats-whole-mouse/#geekosystem

Dawn Tucker,
O'Fallon, MO

Re: [Origami] Problem with the list and the administrator email address

[Anne LaVin]

On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 12:23 PM, Jorge E. Jaramillo 
wrote:
>
> Sorry to use the list for this but I sent this message to the email
address
> that appears at the top of the digest messages as the administrator
address
> (origami-ow...@lists.digitalorigami.com) but it bounced with a message
> telling me that there's not such user.
>

VERY sorry indeed for the confusion - that is supposed to be:

  origami-own...@lists.digitalorigami.com

(note the "s" at the end of the username portion.) You weren't ever
supposed to see that version of that digest message, and that particular
change (adding the "s") hadn't been made on the server that sent it. See
below for why:

> I don't know if you're aware of this, but I (and I guess all the other
> digest subscribers) have received twice this week "Origami Digest, Vol
121,
> Issue 1" which is from April 10 2016.

And super-extra sorry on this one. We have a couple of test servers up and
running, and they appear to have sent out digests by mistake (in spite of
us trying very hard not to have them do this. Pesky computers, always
trying to be helpful...)

Sorry for the confusion! I hope you'll all (especially Yahoo users) be
happy to know that this means we'll soon have the list up and running on a
more modern server which can handle the Yahoo/AOL/etc.
email-to-mailing-lists issues - no more moderators-forwarding-messages. Yay.

Anne

[Origami] CDO Convention 2016 (FWD for Yahoo user)

[Anne LaVin]

[Note from your list admin: I am forwarding this for Yahoo user Francesco
Mancini , please reply to the list or to the original
author, not to me.]

Dear all,

we have defined the details for the next CDO convention:

34th C.D.O. Convention - December 8 - 11, 2016
Grand Hotel Terme Astro - Tabiano Bagni (Parma)
Complete convention (hotel accomodation and meals, registration): 260 Euro.

Special guests:
Meenaksji Mukerji
Melina Hermsen
Sébastien Limet

The registration will open next June 22, 12.00 AM sharp, CET time.
You will find all information and forms here:
http://www.origami-cdo.it/cdo/convegno/indexen.html

Note that the link for the online registration will be activated next
wednesday.

Hope to see you in Tabiano

Best regards,
Francesco for the CDO board



"There's a fold in everything..." www.flickr.com/photos/mancinerie

Re: [Origami] A - 4 size paper for origami

[Anne LaVin]

On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 8:41 PM, Todd Sovey  wrote:
>
> I have several question about A-4 paper.  Can anyone please give me an
> e-mail address of someone who may be able to answer my questions?

Why not ask here on the list? Questions like this are, after all, kind of
the whole point of the list.

No guarantees of an answer, of course, but you'll reach the most people by
sending your question widely. And everyone else gets to benefit from the
answer, too!

For what it's worth the basics of the proportion/sizes of A-series paper
are described here:

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_216#A_series

It's a little dry/terse, but ought to get you started.

Anne

[Origami] Request for email address of Fumiaki Shingu [FWD for Yahoo user]

[Anne LaVin]

[Note from your list admin: I am forwarding this for Yahoo user MacMargo <
macma...@yahoo.com>, please reply to the list or to the original author,
not to me.]

I'm looking for the email address of Fumiaki Shingu so that I can request
permission to teach his models.  If you have it, please let me know!

Margo in Albany, CA

Re: [Origami] Hi everyone! [FWD reply for Yahoo user]

[Anne LaVin]

[Note from your list admin: I am forwarding this for Yahoo user Diana Lee <
boostdi...@yahoo.com>, please reply to the list or to the original author,
not to me.]

On Fri, May 27, 2016 at 12:51 PM, Fredric Axelsson 
wrote:
>
> I'm new to this list and also quit new to origami...
>
> I live in Sweden wich doesn't really have an active origami culture (no
> associations, magazines or conventions). So thank God for the Internet!

Hi Fredric,

there is an origami group in Sweden.  Go to this web page, scroll to the
bottom and you will see the link for Origami Sweden.

  http://www.origami-resource-center.com/origami-organizations.html

I don't know if they are still active or not, but they do have a web site.

Regards, Orc

--
   http://www.origami-resource-center.com/
   http://make-origami.com
--

[Origami] Spanish Groups?? [FWD on behalf of Yahoo user]

[Anne LaVin]

[Note from your list admin: I am forwarding this for Yahoo user Damien
Marcotte , please reply to the list or to the original
author, not to me.]


I will be walking the Camino de Santiago in northern Spain in September &
October. Does anyone know of groups in northern Spain with regular meetings?
Or are you an English-speaking folder along the Camino interested in
meeting up when I pass through? I've been folding for many years, but not
consistently; so my folding can be pretty basic.
Thanks

Re: [Origami] Need good simple book with lots of models [FWD reply for Yahoo/SBC user]

[Anne LaVin]

[Note from your list admin: I am forwarding this for Yahoo user
kskn...@sbcglobal.net, please reply to the list or to the original author,
not to me.]

On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 3:30 AM, Scott Macri  wrote:
>
> I would like to teach a basic origami course (same students over many
> weeks). I want them to get the diagrams they need and also be sure the
> authors get compensation, and I think requiring the purchase of a book is
> the best way to do this.

Hello, Scott,

If this is your first time teaching a group, you will find out that groups
take longer than a one on one teaching - even longer than you may think.
It's hard to remember how long it took you to learn. You do not want to
move forward until a step is understood, otherwise they will give up.  It's
ok for students to check with their neighbor, but both may be wrong.  When
a student understands, they will solidify their grasp of the fold, by
helping others - not doing it for them, but telling then what to do (harder
than it seems).

Adding a fold that begins with what just learned is helpful for
reinforcement.

Easy Origami by John Montroll,  Dover Publications, worked well for me with
each student then able to keep the book. Bulk purchases are free shipping,
and cheaper cost ($2.66) than the listed $3.95.  Each was also given a
packet of paper, which allowed them to choose the color. Generally, I do
not used printed diagrams, but the situation I was teaching lent itself
well to the students learning from the book.

I took my copy apart, putting each page into a plastic sleeve, along with a
completed fold.  I supplemented the pages, also inserting those pages into
the 3 ring binder. I tabbed the pages, as I did not teach in order given in
the book.  The front cover I was able to insert into the cover of the
notebook.

This description is taken from Dover:
Here is a collection of 32 simple projects for novice origami hobbyists —
clearly illustrated and with easy-to-follow instructions that even
beginning papercrafters can follow with success. Subjects range from an
ultra-simple hat, cup, and pinwheel to the more challenging (but still
unintimidating) penguin, pelican, and piano.
Also included are the figures of a swan, lantern, cicada, pigeon, fox,
rabbit, and other popular origami subjects. With the successful completion
of these projects, origami hobbyists will be well on their way to mastering
a fascinating art that's as old as the invention of paper itself.

Relax, have fun, and if for instance, you have all fold a valley and it
needs to be a mountain, that is a good time to say that paper is very
forgiving.  Just turn it over, and refold.  It also lets students know that
perfection isn't required.  Doing the same fold twice, and comprising the
finished look, and ease of folding, they will say, the second time looks
better and was easier. Folds that jump, spin, or move are fun.  Trying the
fold using different papers, larger or smaller lets them practice what they
just learned. Don't forget to begin with the informational pages in the
book, and refer back as new terms arise.

Kathy

kskn...@sbcglobal.net
Kathy Knapp
1014 N Parkside Dr.
Peoria, Illinois, USA
Do well your part today. - Juliette Gordon Low

[Origami] Robert Lang's Shiva (FWD for Yahoo user)

[Anne LaVin]

[Note from your list admin: I am forwarding this for Yahoo user Russ Weaver
, please reply to the list or to the original
author, not to me.]

Request for help in steps 7-8  page 152 of Origami Sourcebook by Jay Ansill

Regards,

Weaver

Re: [Origami] Your thoughts about models using other materials? (FWD for Yahoo/SBC user)

[Anne LaVin]

[Note from your list admin: I am forwarding this for Yahoo user
kskn...@sbcglobal.net, please reply to the list or to the original author,
not to me.]

On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 11:09 AM, Gerardo @neorigami.com <
gera...@neorigami.com> wrote:
>
> What are your thoughts regarding the use of this other materials in
origami
> models? I ask because I have this hypothesis that creating models that
> include non-folding-materials is mostly frowned upon by the origami
> community. Am I right?

Personally, adding 'things' to make the fold more interesting, or to move,
I have no problem in doing so.  Perhaps, because I teach, and most often to
children, making it fun is a way to get them hooked.

Two folds I was taught while in grade school by someone coming into the
classroom of 50 students, before the word origami was used,  were the
German Star and the German Bell.  The German Star (also called Moravian
Star or Swedish Star) is far from a square piece of paper, but rather 4
each with a ratio of 1:25.  The finished folded star is then finished by
dipping into molten wax and applying glitter to the wet wax. I'm not a
glitter person, but the star looks 'dead' without it. Thankfully, there is
now micro glitter in many colors.  The other fold I first learned, the
German Bell, requires that four letter word g**e to keep it together.  As
an adult, when I learned the crane, low and below, it was an epiphany for
me to discover the CP for the crane and the German Bell were the same.

Crayons or googlie eyes, or other mentioned items used to complete the
fold, folding was done to make the item.  It's origami to begin with.

Do you always eat your piece of bread plain, or maybe add butter or jelly,
or cinnamon sugar, or toast it - it is still bread underneath.  Bread that
just has been enhanced.

Kathy Knapp

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Kathy Knapp
1014 N Parkside Dr.
Peoria, Illinois, USA
Do well your part today. - Juliette Gordon Low

[Origami] looking for Hans Birkeland (FWD for Yahoo user)

[Anne LaVin]

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Hi,

does anyone know how to contact Hans Birkeland?  His web site

http://www.hansbirkeland.150m.com/

is no longer functional and I wanted to ask him if he has an alternative
web site for his amazing table cards.

I have tried to email him at his hotmail address but there was no reply.

thanks in advance, Diana

Re: [Origami] Studio update and Artist question (Seth) (FWD reply for Yahoo user)

[Anne LaVin]

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On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 2:39 PM, JC Nolan  wrote:
> I don't know if it's already been covered in this thread but I've
recently discovered that silica gel (the stuff that comes in little white
packets sometimes in bottles of vitamins) can be bought on Amazon very
inexpensively. ...

Silica gel can be purchased as cat litter a lot cheaper than the little
bags sold for photography and the like.

Roman

[Origami] Tracking down the Palacios family (FWD for Yahoo user)

[Anne LaVin]

[Note from your list admin: I am forwarding this for Yahoo user Ramsay
Cowlishaw , please reply to the list or to the
original author, not to me.]

I'm looking at joining the throngs of Youtube origami teachers, and I'd
like to start with some of the boxes/dishes/bowls that Vicente Palacios and
Miguel Angel Palacios have designed, and I'd like to correspond for
blessings/permissions.

Thanks to any and all who may be able to assist!

 - RC

Re: [Origami] Montoya's Star of Bethlehem (FWD for Yahoo user)

[Anne LaVin]

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On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 2:52 PM, Rosemary 
wrote:

> In the latest issue of The Paper #120 there is a diagram by Mick Guy for
Ligia Montoya's: Star of Bethlehem.  My question is ... how to fold a
hexagram?  I did research the topic; however, I got nowhere.

Hi,
not sure if this is what you are looking for, but if you look at image 8,
it has the crease pattern for the six sided star (Star of David):

  http://www.origami-resource-center.com/hexagon-from-a-rectangle.html

Regards, Diana

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[Origami] sighting (FWD for Yahoo user)

[Anne LaVin]

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Packaging meant to be unfolded and and re-folded according to origami
instructions included with the bar of soap.


http://blog.la76.com/2010/04/origami-soap-packaging-by-la-compagnie-de-provence/

kskn...@sbcglobal.net
Kathy Knapp
1014 N Parkside Dr.
Peoria, Illinois, USA
Do well your part today. - Juliette Gordon Low

[Origami] Sighting, that I heard this morning (FWD for yahoo/sbc user)

[Anne LaVin]

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Toward the end of the article,
"The nymph that comes out of the egg is about three times the size of the
egg itself," says Howorth. "It's just folded up in there like an origami
piece or something — it's amazing."

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/02/11/465781993/love-giant-insects-meet-the-tree-lobster-back-from-the-brink

Kathy Knapp

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Kathy Knapp
1014 N Parkside Dr.
Peoria, Illinois, USA
Do well your part today. - Juliette Gordon Low

Re: [Origami] You can BUY hexagonal paper!?! (FWD for Yahoo user)

[Anne LaVin]

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On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 9:28 PM, Bernie Cosell 
wrote:
>
> Also, if you buy it, it is totally crease-free.  Every method I know of
> for making a hex ends you up with a few "construction" creases in the
> hex.  Not a bit deal usually, but it nice to start with a completely flat
> hex.

Bernie,
you use the creased one as a template to cut other ones so not every one
has to have a crease.

Diana

[Origami] origami sighting children's book [FWD for Yahoo user]

[Anne LaVin]

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These are two relatively recent  children's books with a traditional
origami boat on the cover.  Float comes with directions on the endpapers.

Float  - June 9, 2015
by Daniel Miyares  (Author, Illustrator)

  http://www.danielmiyares.com/float/


My Pen  Mar 10, 2015
by Christopher Myers

  http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/21556531-my-pen


Sherry Moman

Re: [Origami] GSM vs LBS and variations. Help!

[Anne LaVin]

On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 10:55 AM, Anna  wrote:
>
> 2016-01-11 22:26 GMT+01:00 Rob Hudson :
> > Can someone explain how lbs associate to gsm?:
>
> Basically they don't. The gsm are grams per square meter and therefore
> give you the density of the paper.
>

Technically this is not exactly density, but, having units of mass per unit
area, is a property called "grammage":

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grammage

(Proper density would be mass per unit volume. There is, apparently,
something called "area density" which exists for 2-dimensional objects...
and paper is thin, but not quite THAT thin...)

> The lbs are the pounds per ream. A ream is (most often but not always)
> 500 standard-sized sheets, and different types of paper have different
> standard sheet sizes. So this measurement unit is nuts, because it
> tells you exactly nothing about the paper.

This entry at Wikipedia:

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paper#Types.2C_thickness_and_weight

has some useful tidbits including reference to the oddness with US paper
"weights":

"In the United States, the weight assigned to a paper is the weight of a
ream, 500 sheets, of varying "basic sizes", before the paper is cut into
the size it is sold to end customers."

And I have to agree with Anna, this is pretty crazy! I can't quite imagine
why anyone let this go on for so long and didn't find a way to standardize.
I suspect anyone in the trade just learns what the weights mean for all the
different kinds of papers, and that if one needs to be absolutely
unambiguous, one talks about grammage!

The "Grammage" page goes into some more detail on it, and has a chart with
the basis weights of different kinds of US papers, for reference.

Anne

[Origami] HELP Needed- Momotani's Ferris wheel [FWD for Yahoo user]

[Anne LaVin]

[Note from your list admin: I am forwarding this for Yahoo user Caleb
Fankhauser , please reply to the list or to the
original author, not to me.]

I am trying to construct Master Yoshihide Momotani's Ferris Wheel as found
in his book "Origami Amusement Park." Unfortunately I do not read japanese
and am not sure of the dimensions/ratios for the pieces. If anyone has
built this model, or has a copy and is able to translate out the sizes for
me, I would greatly appreciate it.

Just to clarify, I am trying to figure out what size paper to use to build
each of the pieces of the complete model. Thank you in advance for any
assistance you can give me!

Caleb Fankhauser 

[Origami] Not Quite Traditional Origami [FWD for Yahoo user]

[Anne LaVin]

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Hello there, Folding Folks!

You've gotten your free, never-before-seen, survey-related diagrams of my
"Flapping Bird Wearing a Crane Costume," read the teaser for related models
and ignored it with bated breath... Now that e-booklet has arrived on
OUSA's download site at:

 https://origamiusa.org/catalog/products/not-quite-traditional-origami-pdf

If you enjoyed turning those petal folds inside-out, here's your
opportunity for a lot more fun!  The models in "Not Quite Traditional
Origami" are:

Crane Star Dish
Starburst Dish
Supernova Dish
AbsoLiltly
Flakey Star
Flakey Star II
Crane with Aura
Flapping Bird Wearing a Crane Costume

The Flapping Bird Wearing a Crane Costume is there for completeness and
continued availability after February 14.  If you haven't yet, be sure to
grab your free FBWaCC diagrams before then at:


https://origamiusa.org/catalog/products/flapping-bird-wearing-crane-costume-pdf

even if you haven't filled out that survey at:


http://origamiusa.org/sites/all/modules/civicrm/extern/url.php?u=119=134765

The announcement email mentioned that I have ten small origami models
currently at the Peabody Essex Museum in Salem, Massachusetts as part of
their year-long exhibition "Sizing It Up:  Nature of Scale in Art" until
September 18, 2016.  Their website describes the exhibition at:

 http://www.pem.org/exhibitions/182-sizing_it_up_scale_in_nature_and_art

Their press release has a bit more information and mentions the origami
specifically:


http://www.pem.org/press/press_release/315-new_interactive_exhibition_opens_in_pems_art_nature_center_this_fall

With the election year coming up, indulge a mention that about
three-quarters of "Election Money Folds 2012" is still relevant to the
upcoming election and/or generally.  It is also on OUSA's download site at:

https://origamiusa.org/catalog/products/election-money-folds-2012-pdf

Thank you for reading.  Now get back to folding!  ;-)

Wensdy

[Origami] Happy Christmas from Nick Robinson

[Anne LaVin]

[Forwarding for Nick, who's having email account issues.]

A short musical offering to all my friends ;)

  https://soundcloud.com/nick-robinson-uk/festive-audio-from-nick-2015

Nick Robinson

http://www.origami.me.uk
https://www.facebook.com/nicksorigami

[Origami] Santa Claus diagram [FWD for Yahoo user]

[Anne LaVin]

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Mancini  please reply to the list or to the original
author, not to me.]

Hi everyone,

I made a quick diagram of the Santa I taught at the last italian
convention. You can find it here:

  https://www.flickr.com/photos/mancinerie/23723143092/in/dateposted-public/

Merry Christmas and Merry Folding
Francesco

"There's a fold in everything..." www.flickr.com/photos/mancinerie

Re: [Origami] High intermediate or complex FLAT angel model ?

[Anne LaVin]

On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 1:57 PM, Rob Hudson  wrote:

> Anyone know of a high intermediate or complex angel model that is flat (or
> relatively flat; pleated wings are ok)?
>

Nick Robinson has a whole book of angels - which are, I recognize, mostly
fairly simple, not HI or complex, but some of which you might be able to
add more details to if you wanted. He describes the book, and includes
photos of all the pieces here:

  http://www.nickrobinson.info/origami/books/angel_origami.php

He's also set up a Facebook page where folks can upload photos of pieces
from the book, gives an idea of what the pieces look like with different
papers, etc.:

  https://www.facebook.com/Angel-Buddhist-Origami-249798181840376/

The "Angel on the Wall" and "Angel of Communication" look promising to me.
Your mileage may vary, of course...

Anne

[Origami] Christmas cards for Safyre [FWD for Yahoo user]

[Anne LaVin]

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Hi, I am sending an origami Cardinal to Safyre. Please join me in sharing
to make her holiday bright.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/safyre-terry-christmas-cards_566714aae4b079b28190306b

 -  Aimee Haire 

[Origami] 2016 Origami calendars: half done [FWD for Yahoo user]

[Anne LaVin]

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Hi Everyone,

I have been converting the origami calendars for 2016.  Have of them are
done and you can download them here:

  http://www.origami-resource-center.com/origami-calendars.html

The other diagrams should be ready by next Monday. Plenty of time to fold
and distribute before 2016.

Please give them a try and let me know when you find a mistake.  I have
been doing this for I don't know how many years, but every year, there is a
mistake.  I suspect this year will be no different.

Thanks in advance, Diana

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[Origami] V Ann Cornelius Box diagram? [FWD for Yahoo user]

[Anne LaVin]

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Hi,
does anyone know where to find the origami diagrams to V Ann Cornelius Box?

thanks in advance, Diana

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Re: [Origami] Looking for red kraft paper [FWD for Yahoo user]

[Anne LaVin]

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On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 4:08 PM, Anne LaVin <anne.la...@gmail.com> wrote for
Dawn Tucker:
>
> I'm looking for red (not a dark burgundy, but a nice true red) kraft
paper that shows the natural brown color on one side.

Thanks to all who replied, both on-list and personally, in regard to my
search for red kraft paper. Most of you mentioned IKEA, so I want to put
that out there for anyone else looking for red kraft on a roll. Kim's Crane
has several colors of kraft, including 12" sheets, which are large enough
to cut into A-4 dimensions (not to mention all the other cool stuff there)!
Both of those look promising!

I appreciate your help!

Dawn Tucker,
O'Fallon, MO

[Origami] ADMIN note - "what's with these forwarded messages?" You may be asking...

[Anne LaVin]

I imagine that some of you don't know, or don't remember, what this
silliness is about, so  here's the short version:

Well over a year ago, AOL and Yahoo changed their policies about how email
from their users should be treated by other mail servers, and did it in
such a way that mail sent from AOL or Yahoo users to mailing lists ended up
getting treated as spam.

In order to fix this for the O-list, some major upgrades need to happen to
the server on which the O-list resides; trouble is, this server (which I
run) has a number of older, other services on it that can't get upgraded
easily, and I've been struck trying to find a way to juggle everything
appropriately so that I can get the mail upgrades done without interrupting
these other services... and this is dragging on for a long time.

So, in the meantime (but hopefully not for too much longer) any posts from
folks who use AOL or Yahoo mail must get forwarded from another account to
the list, rather than get posted directly. I usually do this, which is why
you see so many from me, and the odd circumstances where I'm replying to my
own messages, etc.  (Occasionally, of course, we make a mistake and let one
through directly - as I did this morning - and then have to resend so
everyone actually gets a copy.)

Sorry for the difficulty/confusion/oddness...

Anne

[Origami] New origami blog [FWD for AOL user]

[Anne LaVin]

[Note from your list admin: apologies for any who get this twice, this got
sent through directly by mistake. I am re-posting this on behalf of AOL
user Anne McCombs , please reply to the list or to her,
not to me.]

I recently bought several of the early OUSA / FOCA Convention Annual
Collections, and they've inspired me to start a new project.  I'm folding
each model in order and blogging about them, starting with the 1981
Convention book. This is new to me and my blogging skills are nil, so right
now the blog is bare bones to the point of being plug ugly, and Google
can't find it.  As I learn more, I hope to dress it up, but presently it's
just photos and text.  I am neither a designer nor a particularly skilled
folder.   My intent is simply to fold the model as diagrammed and comment
on it --what I think of it, where I had trouble, and which kinds of papers
work well or poorly.  Interested persons may view this work-in-progress at
origamioriginsblog.wordpress.com and comments are welcome.

 - Anne McCombs

[Origami] Looking for red kraft paper [FWD for Yahoo user]

[Anne LaVin]

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I'm looking for red (not a dark burgundy, but a nice true red) kraft paper
that shows the natural brown color on one side. A Google search didn't turn
up any results. Wrapping paper would be fine, but I don't need an
industrial-size roll. I wouldn't mind green or blue with kraft, either! I
will probably need to cut the paper to A-4 size, so small squares won't
work. (Yes, I know, I'm not easy to please.) Perhaps you have seen some
red/kraft wrapping paper recently? Thanks for any tips!

Dawn Tucker
O'Fallon, MO

Re: [Origami] Parallelepipedo by Paolo Bascetta [FWD reply for Yahoo/ymail user]

[Anne LaVin]

[Note from your list admin: Sorry if this is a duplicate message for some
of you, this was mistakenly let through normally - by me - this morning; I
am forwarding this reply for Yahoo user Francesco Mancini <
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the list or to him, not to me.]

Mar 24/11/15, cafe...@pacific.net  ha scritto:

> The diagrams for this rectangular box are clear but the
> proportions of
> the rectangular paper are not. It is not 2 to 1.

> Any one have any ideas?


Hi Louise,

in my copy there is a note under the first step.
"Il lato maggiore deve essere leggermente più grande del doppio del lato
minore".
(The long side needs to be a little bit bigger than the double of the short
side).

So the proportions are 1:2.something

Francesco

"There's a fold in everything..." www.flickr.com/photos/mancinerie