Re: Film: And the Dead Shall Rise...
-Original Message- Paul (A digital purchaser who believes film will outlive most of us on this forum.) I fully agree. I believe film will outlive all of us. Not dozens of different emulsions and not available in every store but there will be film for a very long time. If Kodak stops making film altogether I'd think they will license/sell the technology to some (smaller) 3rd party who will start to make some of the emulsions for the crazy film people. If all the big film companies of today stop making film (I won't believe this for a second) there will be a huge market for new smaller film producers. I am not saying this because I want to stay with film. Right now all my large format (4x5 slide) enlargements are done in my digital darkroom and I am slowly starting to think of a move towards digital in the smaller format (35mm) as well but I will not stop using film because the film is dying. It just occurred to me that one of the arguments of buying a digital (SLR) camera today is the fact of film going away. Crazy... I feel like all the talk about film going away or not is mostly a waste of time. Get back to me after 50 years and we'll see. When we get back in 2050 I can show you some Kodachrome slides from 2004 while we try to connect a CD-ROM/DVD player to the new biocomputer to salvage some digital images from those ancient CR- ROM disks ;-) At least is was fun writing all this, Antti-Pekka --- Antti-Pekka Virjonen Computec Oy, Turku Finland Gsm: +358-500-789 753 www.computec.fi * www.estera.fi
Re: Scanning Question
Cool, Paul ... the duotone /tritone / quadtone method gives a lot of control once you get used to the technique. Saving the tones and setup you like for future use is a great time saver as well. shel Paul Stenquist wrote: Doh... I figured it out. It was just something I never tried on a greyscale file. I'd always do it in RGB. But I just looked under modes, and there was duotone. The rest was quite simple. Thanks,
Re: Film: And the Dead Shall Rise...
On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 17:05:35 -0800, Jim Apilado wrote: Sometimes I wonder if those shooting digital would like to see the era of film end ASAP. I wouldn't. Digital is not good enough yet to replace film completely. It will one day, I know that. Unfortunately people are getting used to lower quality in all things because it's a more technological solution and therefore MUST be better. For the time being I get better quality from my MZ-S and Kodachrome than I do from the *istD. For a lot of things though I don't need that and I must admit that digital has all but replaced my neg shooting and I have an MZ-S sitting around with little to do - I'm not getting rid of it yet, sorry to those who suddenly saw a bargain. I'm also throwing images onto 2 CD's and testing them before removing them from my hard drive - disk 13 currently being filled. Leon http://www.bluering.org.au http://www.bluering.org.au/leon
[OT] Nikon D70
There is a preview on DPreview: http://www.dpreview.com/articles/nikond70/default.asp Some incredible specifications: - continuos mode with 3fps in a burst of up to 144 (!!!) frames - flash sync 1/500s - shutter speeds: 30-1/8000s - 3D color matrix metering with 1,005-pixel RGB sensor - The rechargeable high-energy EN-EL3 lithium-ion battery that earned high acclaim in the D100 delivers the power to shoot up to 2,000 images All these below 1000$ mark... -- Best Regards Sylwek
Re: Film: And the Dead Shall Rise...
On Tue, 27 Jan 2004, Paul Stenquist wrote: I think there are some photographers who have an unconscious need to validate their digital purchase. The demise of film would do just that. Paul (A digital purchaser who believes film will outlive most of us on this forum.) Thank you Paul. My interest is largely landscape and I don't see any of the major British landscape photographers rushing to digital any time soon. Joe Cornish still has his Ebony, Charlie Waite still has his 'blad, Nick Meers his Xpan and in last months 'Practical Photography' magazine David Noton admitted he was still using Nikon 35mm and Velvia on assignment where it counted. Not everyone asks what's new? all the time. Some of us still ask what's best?. Hopefully there will be enough of us for a few years yet. Chris (a digital user who thinks film has soul [sorry Cotty])
Re: Scanning Question
Hi! SB Scanners used will be an Imacon Flextight 626 (I believe SB that's the number) and the Nikon Coolscan IV 4000dpi unit, SB if that makes any difference. Let me add my bits to that. One of my friends used to have the Nikon scanner you mentioned. Apparently, scanning usual BW negatives was not this scanner's favorite. I've been given some technobabble about LED based Nikon and diffused light based Epson flatbeds... Anyway, to the taste of that guy, outcome of Nikon sucked. He then went to buy himself another scanner as he is a pro and has to do a lot of scanning. I wouldn't be able to help you with your choice between RGB and grayscale. But perhaps it would be worth if you forwent (?!) Nikon and went straight to Imacon scanner. Just my cents. Boris
Re: Scanning Question
Hi Boris ... I've scanned numerous BW negs using the Nikon ... I can never remember the model number, but it was the top end model for 35mm film and the results have been fine. The technobabble dweebs need SOMETHING coming out of their mouths at all times. shel Boris Liberman wrote: Hi! SB Scanners used will be an Imacon Flextight 626 (I believe SB that's the number) and the Nikon Coolscan IV 4000dpi unit, SB if that makes any difference. Let me add my bits to that. One of my friends used to have the Nikon scanner you mentioned. Apparently, scanning usual BW negatives was not this scanner's favorite. I've been given some technobabble about LED based Nikon and diffused light based Epson flatbeds... Anyway, to the taste of that guy, outcome of Nikon sucked. He then went to buy himself another scanner as he is a pro and has to do a lot of scanning. I wouldn't be able to help you with your choice between RGB and grayscale. But perhaps it would be worth if you forwent (?!) Nikon and went straight to Imacon scanner. Just my cents. Boris
Re: Scanning Question
Of course, it's always possible that I can't tell a good scan from a poor one, or a good photograph or image from a poor one. Shel Belinkoff wrote: Hi Boris ... I've scanned numerous BW negs using the Nikon ... I can never remember the model number, but it was the top end model for 35mm film and the results have been fine.
Re: Vivitar 19mm
Not to pour cold water on your enthusiasms, but must somewhat disagree with what have been said about this lens. I have it too but right now it's one of my most unused lenses, especially since I got a SMCK 24/2.8. Of course such a lens (the 19) will rarely see an extensive use anyway... My comments: the lens is light and compact with only 62mm thread which make the use of filters almost impossible. I tried and I think you must either use a very big step-up ring and correspondent and much more expensive filters or renounce to use them. The dedicated rubber hood (sold separately) vignettes, especially wide open. Performance is not that good at wider aperture especially in the corners (I'm not talking about distortion) but get noticeably better as you reach smaller apertures. f/11 is probably its best. Not very sharp but good enough. Flare: about the worst you can get, provided you're able to get the sun out of your FoV. To summarize: good value for (very little) money but not what you'd compare with a good Pentax lens. Just my opinion, of course. BTW I didn't sell it so it serves me well enough if/when I need such a focal lenght. I actually have good slides shot with it but I don't think I ever printed anything bigger than 8x12 (20x30 cm.)... Ciao, Flavio PS: I'd offer it to you, Tom, but shipping and all it would cost more than getting it locally, I'm afraid. graywolf wrote: I think I will have to put one of these on my wish list. I have always wanted an ultra-wideange. They are not expensive at all, and from the photos you guys show they seem to be good enough for everyday use. ...
Re: Vivitar 19mm
Not to pour cold water on your enthusiasms, but must somewhat disagree with what have been said about this lens. I have it too but right now it's one of my most unused lenses, especially since I got a SMCK 24/2.8. Of course such a lens (the 19) will rarely see an extensive use anyway... My comments: the lens is light and compact with only 62mm thread which make the use of filters almost impossible. I tried and I think you must either use a very big step-up ring and correspondent and much more expensive filters or renounce to use them. The dedicated rubber hood (sold separately) vignettes, especially wide open. Performance is not that good at wider aperture especially in the corners (I'm not talking about distortion) but get noticeably better as you reach smaller apertures. f/11 is probably its best. Not very sharp but good enough. To summarize: good value for (very little) money but not what you'd compare with a good Pentax lens. Just my opinion, of course. BTW I didn't sell it so it serves me well enough if/when I need such a focal lenght. I actually have good slides shot with it but I don't think I ever printed anything bigger than 8x12 (20x30 cm.)... Ciao, Flavio PS: I'd offer it to you, Tom, but shipping and all it would cost more than getting it locally, I'm afraid. graywolf wrote: I think I will have to put one of these on my wish list. I have always wanted an ultra-wideange. They are not expensive at all, and from the photos you guys show they seem to be good enough for everyday use. ...
OT: Forwent ( was Re: Scanning Question
Hi, But perhaps it would be worth if you forwent (?!) Nikon Very good! I had to look it up, but 'forwent' is correct. You could also have 'forego', 'forewent' apparently. I don't think I've ever seen or heard it used before. Not in a modern context, anyway. Most native speakers would probably forego the chance to say 'forewent' and go with 'went without' g. -- Cheers, Bob
Re: OT - Opposition Notching up a gear...
On 28/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: Hey guys, is that page available in English anywhere? Hi Tan, No. But you can download some PDFs from here: http://grubbel.com/~magnus/eos/ Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
Re: Graywolf's Photo
Hi! I looked at this photo once and couldn't make up my mind about the sink. Then I read some of the comments and returned to the photo. Then I noticed that both the barber and his customer are of considerable age. At least for Israel. It is rare to find such a pair in local barber shops. Hmmm, is barber shop proper name for it? Anyway, I don't see any problems except the sink here. I think it could be cropped or shot vertically. I even think that by cropping just the sink the certain symmetry would be achieved as it would seem that the wall just on the left of the customer and the reflection in the mirror are about to intersect beyond the frame. The shot would all tilt a little to the left and this would fit the direction - from the barber who's leaning somewhat to its customer... Also, I don't know about the rules, but I'd like to see more of the barber's hands and see what he is actually doing... Just my cents... Don't shoot me on sight, will you? Boris
Pentax will fight back (was: RE: OT - Opposition Notching up)
On 28/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: I don't know, they seem to be selling quite a few *ist-D's in spite of: 1.) The lack of aperture simulator, (yes that has been partially addressed which makes it more likely I'll buy one in the near future). 2.) Lack of advertising, at least compared to the Canon and Nikon offerings. 3.) Really silly name. 4.) Lack of Cachet compared to, well compared to, just about everyone left in the camera manufacturing business. 5.) The Canon Digital Rebel selling for roughly 2/3rd's it's price. So who knows, some of us die hards will insist upon doing just that. Actually, this scenario now is pretty good territory for Pentax to pull a cunning stunt. If there really is a Baby D in the pipeline, PMA would be an excellent opportunity to announce it. Nikon's Baby D will be hyped up, but that will be the only competition (the new 1D being in a different arena). If Pentax can offer a foolproof Baby D for 300D money, and make it look nice and small, with easy handling - could be a real nice rabbit out of the hat Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
Re: Photoshop CS vs Photoshop Album
Does anyone know if a Pentax RAW plugin will be available for Album? On Tue, 2004-01-27 at 17:31, Shel Belinkoff wrote: From the Photoshop List. Perhaps some folks here will find this of value. In last week's Personal Technology column in the Wall Street Journal (http://ptech.wsj.com/ptech.html), Walter Mossberg favorably reviewed Adobe PS Album 2.0. He pointed out the link to the free, lite version and commented that, You can download a free, stripped-down starter edition at www.adobe.com, but it lacks some of the key organizing and sharing features -- including the new Collections feature. He particularly liked the Collections feature and thought it was the key to the power of the program, so a version without it might not be particularly useful compared to alternative programs. http://ptech.wsj.com/archive/ptech-20040122.html is the direct link to the Mossberg article. The link cited above will change when the next column is released. http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshopalbum/startercompare.html lists the differences between Photoshop Album 2.0 Starter Edition and the full Photoshop Album 2.0 product. http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshopalbum/main.html is the main Photoshop Album 2.0 page where you can find out more about both versions. --marc -- Frits Wüthrich [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT - Opposition Notching up a gear...
This wasn't comment but a real question. I myslef would never pay $3000+ for a cmaera. The *ist D is about the upper limit for me. I do think that pros and enthusiasts that use Pentax MF might spring for it since they spend bigger money on their equipment. Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/27/04 05:54PM Nah, just like, not more than ten people on this list would ever pay more than $1500 for an *istD. -- Steve Desjardins wrote: Suppose Pentax came out with a similar camera for $3200 (I'm assuming the price of the Nikon d2h) Do you think they would sell many? [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/27/04 03:37PM After all at the rate we're going that technology will be there for the taking in K mount in about a decade... At 03:19 PM 1/27/04, you wrote: Christian, That is what I read on at nikondigital.org. The buffer is 40 jpeg/20 RAW. Pretty amazing huh? The Nikonites are already crying about what this means to Nikon. We (Pentaxians) are pretty much imune to it. :-) César Panama City, Florida -- -Original Message- -- From: Christian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 3:06 PM -- -- did I read that right? 8.2MP and 8.5 frames per second for -- 40 frames? -- -- Christian -- -- - Original Message - -- From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 2:37 PM -- -- http://www.digitalkamera.de/Kameras/CanonEOS-1DII.asp -- -- -- -- -- Cheers, --Cotty -- -- -- ___/\__ -- || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps -- _ -- Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk -- -- I drink to make other people interesting. -- George Jean Nathan -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com You might as well accept people as they are, you are not going to be able to change them anyway.
Re: OT - Opposition Notching up a gear...
I personally think Pentax is far more concerned with the D70 than this Canon. That's where their money is . .. Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: OT - Opposition Notching up a gear...
... or was!?! Be nice if Pentax could undercut them both, but I suspect Canon would just drop their prices if this were the case! -Original Message- From: Steve Desjardins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I personally think Pentax is far more concerned with the D70 than this Canon. That's where their money is . ..
Re: MZ-S body cap?
Anyone ever try to calibrate that white body cap to use as an incident meter? :-) But wouldn't it too wide a coverage for an incident meter? regards Lukasz [EMAIL PROTECTED] === www.fotopolis.pl === internetowy magazyn o fotografii
RE: OT - Opposition Notching up a gear...
It had better be is. Pentax only really competes with N and C in the amateur market. I admit I have not idea what they plan to do at the MF level. The only high end camera I see for them is a digital back for their 645nii, or a redesigned 645 dual format. As has been pointed out here, what's the use of a dedicated MF-style digital camera with a 35 mm sensor? A 645 sized sensor might still be too expensive. The *ist D was the right level for the first Pentax *ist D, especially once it fell to the $1350 price. It gave proof of their ability to produce a good DSLR which the Baby D wouldn't have. Still, they need that sub $1000 ASAP or some might get tempted by that D70. OTOH, I wonder how many people on this list are itchy to buy a DSLR and would jump at a $800-900 price tag? Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/28/04 08:44AM ... or was!?! Be nice if Pentax could undercut them both, but I suspect Canon would just drop their prices if this were the case! -Original Message- From: Steve Desjardins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I personally think Pentax is far more concerned with the D70 than this Canon. That's where their money is . ..
OT: Developer for Fujicolor Press 800?
Hey all.. Just got back from a massive camping trip, and boy was it fun.. One headache now though, and unfortunately it's not from the sun. One of the rolls I took was Press 800 but rated at 1600, and I was intending to take it down to the prolab to get them to leave it in the soup a bit longer. However, the one I went to near where I live wasn't going to do it. Anyway, John Coyle was generous enough to volunteer his developing kit to help me out, but I was wondering if anyone has suggestions for developer to use.. Also, if anyone's done this before, any tips on developing times? Thanks, Ryan
RE: OT - Opposition Notching up a gear...
Sorry my reply was meant to be tongue in cheek. I am sure Pentax will still do well in this segment, and that this is the area where they will achieve most sales of SLRs in the coming years. If they didn't bring out the Baby D in 2004, we would probably see the price of the istD decline significantly anyway IMO. But that's academic because I am certain they will. I am certainly not itching to buy a baby D, I am personally itching to see what 'Papa D' has to offer! I understand why they have to approach it in this order though. -Original Message- From: Steve Desjardins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 January 2004 14:03 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: OT - Opposition Notching up a gear... It had better be is. Pentax only really competes with N and C in the amateur market. I admit I have not idea what they plan to do at the MF level. The only high end camera I see for them is a digital back for their 645nii, or a redesigned 645 dual format. As has been pointed out here, what's the use of a dedicated MF-style digital camera with a 35 mm sensor? A 645 sized sensor might still be too expensive. The *ist D was the right level for the first Pentax *ist D, especially once it fell to the $1350 price. It gave proof of their ability to produce a good DSLR which the Baby D wouldn't have. Still, they need that sub $1000 ASAP or some might get tempted by that D70. OTOH, I wonder how many people on this list are itchy to buy a DSLR and would jump at a $800-900 price tag? Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/28/04 08:44AM ... or was!?! Be nice if Pentax could undercut them both, but I suspect Canon would just drop their prices if this were the case! -Original Message- From: Steve Desjardins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I personally think Pentax is far more concerned with the D70 than this Canon. That's where their money is . ..
Re: Film: And the Dead Shall Rise...
On 28/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: Chris (a digital user who thinks film has soul [sorry Cotty]) Don't apologise! I agree. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
Optio 550, was Re: D: Too much D?
I'd like to know what you think of the Optio 550. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote, in part: I'm surprised myself that there isn't much discussion about other Pentax digital equipment. Given the slightest encouragement (you are warned!) I would be happy to discuss the wonderful Optio 550 ... ERNR Summary: I love it. Details follow: To put this into perspective: I carry a camera with me every time I leave my house, no matter where I'm going or why; I shoot a record of weird stuff I see on the street, pretty stuff I see out there, family behaviour, etc. Before I bought the Optio 550, this carry-everywhere role would be shared by, in turns, a small Pentax SLR (MX, LX, ZX-5n) or a rangefinder (Canonet) or a Fujifilm FinePix 6900 digital. (Any of these required carrying a bag unless I felt like hanging the camera in open view from a shoulder.) I bought the Optio at the end of July and it hasn't shared the carry-everywhere role with anything in all that time; that role now belongs to the Optio alone. I've taken two rolls of film since then, and the older (larger) digital has been used only for a few special purposes. I also do a LOT of photography documenting ministry activities and special events at my church. This used to be mainly the job of the Fuji digital, but the Optio produces a sharper image with more detail in low light and does a much (MUCH!!!) better job with auto white balance under mixed lighting than the Fuji does. Also the Fuji has severe barrel distortion at the wide end, which I find most annoying in any picture containing a rectangular feature. Optio: much less distortion. On the rare occasions that I use flash, the Optio beats the Fuji hands-down since the Fuji's flash, on auto, is completely useless; and to get it to behave with manual settings requires, for me anyway, a good ten minutes of trial-and- error adjustment. The Optio in auto flash mode will correctly expose the subject and attempt, usually successfully, to include a decent balance of ambient light as well. The Optio fits in my pocket or in a handy belt pouch, making it more convenient to carry around than the Fuji, the rangefinder or any of the SLRs. Mostly, though, I see it as fitting well into rangefinder-style photography: One advantage of using a rangefinder, over an SLR, which I've seen noted in articles and have also observed for myself, is that people subjects aren't noticing the photography and aren't concerned about it even if they do happen to see it. This advantage also applies to the Optio, which seems (from the results) to have a better quality lens than my Canonet. (Less flare than Canonet and no vignetting.) And of course, the Optio can be set to make no shutter sound at all, thereby even beating a leaf-shutter for quiet. I went to a meeting in someone's home once, where a missionary was reporting on her time overseas. I sat in the centre of the front row of the group and captured several pictures of the missionary speaking. She never noticed -- she was surprised later when I showed them to her. Then, someone decided it would be an idea to photograph the whole group, and I was the one with a camera. I hopped onto a chair and made a few exposures of the group. Several elderly people were pleasantly surprised that there was no flash! Optio, available light, 400-speed setting, group of perhaps forty people -- enlarged to 8x10, this photo looks great: good colour and exposure and everybody is recognizable. Because it allows manual control of focus and exposure parameters, this camera doesn't frustrate me the same way a film point shoot does. It's an incredibly versatile instrument, and I greatly appreciate having that much versatility in a pocketable camera. Disadvantages: lens is a bit slow for ISO 400 indoors, so I've really had to work hard at controlling camera-motion blur. Shutter lag is longer than any of the film cameras I referred to in these comments. Cannot replace an SLR for ability to use long lenses, fast lenses, or external flash. (And, I don't see things very well in the LCD, but this may change as soon as I get into bifocals and is probably not in any way the fault of the camera design!)
OT: People Their Bikes - Frank, one more for your collection!
http://www.geocities.com/heygoosey/RyanBikeBrissie.JPG I luckily had a couple of shots left on a roll I wanted to get printed, so what better way to waste film than a self portrait! I just got my Singh Ray Gold Blue Polariser in the mail today, pity I couldn't have used it for the shot, but hey.. next time.. Cheers! Ryan
Best pix of 2003
Just had this link sent to me. Some excellent stuff. http://www.fifth-essence.com/archive/bestpix2003/index.htm
Pentax Sighting
#7 was flipping through the channels and landed on one of those annoying, pointless, celebrity lifestyle shows. I didn't scream in frustration since they were talking about a photo shoot. Anyway, Dave Navarro and Carmen Electra hired a photographer to take a shot for their wedding invitation. The photographer was David LaChapelle, and he shot them lying on autopsy tables (till death do us part, yuck yuck), with a 645n or nII. tv
RE: OT - Opposition Notching up a gear...
I didn't mean to sound so severe, either. I see Pentax with 3 possible D's (the 3D strategy): The low end Baby D, sub $1000 The *ist D and it's successors, $1000-2000 The MF offering. I would be really surprised if we saw a direct N d2h or C 1DII competitor from Pentax. I'd be pleased, but surprised. I think the Papa D will be the *ist D replacement. Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/28/04 09:40AM Sorry my reply was meant to be tongue in cheek. I am sure Pentax will still do well in this segment, and that this is the area where they will achieve most sales of SLRs in the coming years. If they didn't bring out the Baby D in 2004, we would probably see the price of the istD decline significantly anyway IMO. But that's academic because I am certain they will. I am certainly not itching to buy a baby D, I am personally itching to see what 'Papa D' has to offer! I understand why they have to approach it in this order though. -Original Message- From: Steve Desjardins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 January 2004 14:03 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: OT - Opposition Notching up a gear... It had better be is. Pentax only really competes with N and C in the amateur market. I admit I have not idea what they plan to do at the MF level. The only high end camera I see for them is a digital back for their 645nii, or a redesigned 645 dual format. As has been pointed out here, what's the use of a dedicated MF-style digital camera with a 35 mm sensor? A 645 sized sensor might still be too expensive. The *ist D was the right level for the first Pentax *ist D, especially once it fell to the $1350 price. It gave proof of their ability to produce a good DSLR which the Baby D wouldn't have. Still, they need that sub $1000 ASAP or some might get tempted by that D70. OTOH, I wonder how many people on this list are itchy to buy a DSLR and would jump at a $800-900 price tag? Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/28/04 08:44AM ... or was!?! Be nice if Pentax could undercut them both, but I suspect Canon would just drop their prices if this were the case! -Original Message- From: Steve Desjardins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I personally think Pentax is far more concerned with the D70 than this Canon. That's where their money is . ..
Regarding recent critique request, and scanning questions
Thank you to everyone who took the time to respond to my request for critiques. Usually, when I ask friends for comment on my work, they tend to not be very critical. I will try some of the suggested image manipulation and report on the results. Here's another, fresh off the scanner... http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2085362size=lg ...which leads to my next question. I have a great deal of difficulty with lack of sharpness and grain, especially when scanning BW, which is my preferred medium. Oddly, the grain seems to have a less objectionable appearance (at least to me) with high speed emulsion/developer combos... (Old Tri-X @ 1600 ASA in Diafine) http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=316146 http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=317510size=lg than with my typical low speed choice (APX 100 in Rodinal). In an effort to reduce grain, I developed a batch of APX 100 rolls in HC110B, hoping the faster development would lessen the grain, but I still get an unpleasant mottled grain look, as in the rainbow image (I used Neat Image to clean up the mottled look, but it is still evident). I thought my scanner might be to blame. Admittedly a cheapo (Scanwit 2720S), I scanned some negatives with the local camera shops Nikon scanner and got similar results. I am using Vuescan. What combinations of film/developer/scanner settings are yielding go BW results for folks here? Aric
Re: Best pix of 2003
Mostly pap, cute animal pics, and flashy colors. A few nice pics. Surprisingly lacking by comparison is reportage or documentary work. Doug Brewer wrote: Just had this link sent to me. Some excellent stuff. http://www.fifth-essence.com/archive/bestpix2003/index.htm
Încredible eagle shot!!!
http://www.pbase.com/image/25524341 Couldn't imagine better composition and level of details ;- -- Best Regards Sylwek
Re: Regarding recent critique request, and scanning questions
Old Tri-X in ID-11, Nikon 4000 something scanner @ 4000dpi: http://home.earthlink.net/~scbelinkoff/images/5.html This file is straight from the scanner other than conversion to JPEG and reduced size. No manipulation at all, no sharpening ... nada! Would be happy to send you a section of the 20mb file for closer examination. I also get good results with APX 100 in Rodinal 1:100. Expose film @ 50 - 64 EI, develop for about 15 minutes, agitate for 5 seconds/two tumbles every minute. I have a great deal of difficulty with lack of sharpness and grain, especially when scanning BW, which is my preferred medium. Oddly, the grain seems to have a less objectionable appearance (at least to me) with high speed emulsion/developer combos... (Old Tri-X @ 1600 ASA in Diafine) http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=316146 http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=317510size=lg
Re: Încredible eagle shot!!!
Why waste our time with such crap ... Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote: http://www.pbase.com/image/25524341 Couldn't imagine better composition and level of details ;- -- Best Regards Sylwek
Re: Încredible eagle shot!!!
Cute ;-) Quoting Sylwester Pietrzyk [EMAIL PROTECTED]: http://www.pbase.com/image/25524341 Couldn't imagine better composition and level of details ;- -- Best Regards Sylwek - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/
Re: Best pix of 2003
At 10:48 AM 1/28/04, throwing caution to the wind, Shel Belinkoff wrote: Mostly pap, cute animal pics, and flashy colors. A few nice pics. Surprisingly lacking by comparison is reportage or documentary work. The mother and child escaping from the fighting in Macedonia and the Palestinian youth launching rocks at Israeli soldiers don't count as reportage? yuh. Whatever.
Re: Încredible eagle shot!!!
on 28.01.04 17:08, Shel Belinkoff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why waste our time with such crap ... I thought it was just funny :-) But I see that you have completely different sense of humour than me... -- Best Regards Sylwek
Re: Regarding recent critique request, and scanning questions
Aric scribed,snipped, I am using Vuescan. What combinations of film/developer/scanner settings are yielding go BW results for folks here? Aric Hi. I have,as do several others here,the Epson 2450(others have the 3200)and i find that 35mm scans,BW or colour seem just a bit off too.My 6x7 scans are much much better. I use mostly Tmax developer with times taken from the Kodak or Ilford sites. I use Vuescan mostly and Silverfast sometimes.I have the version taht came with the scanner (5.5)and i dont think it has all the tools,from what i gather from their website.I find my best BW results from Vuescan but again not as good as the wet print,as others i'm sure will mention in replies to you questions.:-) Dave Brooks
RE: OT - Opposition Notching up a gear...
On 28/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: I am certainly not itching to buy a baby D, I am personally itching to see what 'Papa D' has to offer! I understand why they have to approach it in this order though. Do you really believe they will make a Papa D, Rob? Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
Re: Încredible eagle shot!!!
Sylwester Pietrzyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.pbase.com/image/25524341 Couldn't imagine better composition and level of details ;- Love it! -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
OT: People Their Bikes - Frank, one more for your collection!
On 28/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: http://www.geocities.com/heygoosey/RyanBikeBrissie.JPG I luckily had a couple of shots left on a roll I wanted to get printed, so what better way to waste film than a self portrait! I just got my Singh Ray Gold Blue Polariser in the mail today, pity I couldn't have used it for the shot, but hey.. next time.. Cheers! Ryan Thanks Ryan, nice to put a face to a name. You'll have all the girls swooning, dammit. Oh yeah, nice bike, too ;-) Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
Re: Best pix of 2003
Hi Shel, I think what you have to remember here is that tthis is a gallery of People's Choice photos. I think that's why it's largely comprised of work that entertains rather than informs. I too appreciate pictures that tell a deeper story, but I don't think that any of these are pap. They're all well composed, well framed, and well executed. And some are quite striking: the woman and daughter through the wet window, the plane flying past the moon (is it a composite?), and the rainbow over the village -- to name just a few. There are many subjects worthy of the photographer's skill. Pretty pictures can certainly be as artistic as documentary or reportage. If we draw parallels to the world of painting, it's obvious that many artists who have passed the test of time produced pretty pictures. Paul Shel Belinkoff wrote: Mostly pap, cute animal pics, and flashy colors. A few nice pics. Surprisingly lacking by comparison is reportage or documentary work. Doug Brewer wrote: Just had this link sent to me. Some excellent stuff. http://www.fifth-essence.com/archive/bestpix2003/index.htm
Re: Best pix of 2003
I said lacking by comparison, not lacking. Brewer wrote: At 10:48 AM 1/28/04, throwing caution to the wind, Shel Belinkoff wrote: Mostly pap, cute animal pics, and flashy colors. A few nice pics. Surprisingly lacking by comparison is reportage or documentary work. The mother and child escaping from the fighting in Macedonia and the Palestinian youth launching rocks at Israeli soldiers don't count as reportage? yuh. Whatever.
RE: OT - Opposition Notching up a gear...
Yes I really do. I don't believe it will have all of the features I want (Full frame 35mm, Magnesium body, shape/control layout similar to MZ-S and More MP) but I hope it will have something *closer to* my ideal (slightly larger sensor than istD, more MP and magnesium body). The sensor in the EOS-1D II sounds like a good enough compromise... It wont be till the end of the year, or possibly next year though - I suspect. -Original Message- From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 January 2004 16:27 To: pentax list Subject: RE: OT - Opposition Notching up a gear... On 28/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: I am certainly not itching to buy a baby D, I am personally itching to see what 'Papa D' has to offer! I understand why they have to approach it in this order though. Do you really believe they will make a Papa D, Rob? Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
Re: Regarding recent critique request, and scanning questions
Is that Scanwit a flatbed scanner? Did you scan the negs on the Nikon scanner, or did someone do it for you? Rothman, Aric wrote: I thought my scanner might be to blame. Admittedly a cheapo (Scanwit 2720S), I scanned some negatives with the local camera shops Nikon scanner and got similar results.
Re: Încredible eagle shot!!!
Yes, Sylwek, your picture did not Draw The Viewer In. It exhibited a Disconnect. It did not render adequately the Subtle Interplay Of Light And Shadow. It did not Tell A Story. You obviously did not Have The Entire Scene Completed In Your Head Before You Even Picked Up The Camera. HAR. Quoting Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Why waste our time with such crap ... Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote: http://www.pbase.com/image/25524341 Couldn't imagine better composition and level of details ;- -- Best Regards Sylwek - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/
Re: OT - Opposition Notching up a gear...
Cotty wrote: Do you really believe they will make a Papa D, Rob? I'm not Rob, but I'm sure Pentax will eventually produce digital cameras with much higher resolution than the current offerings. The technology isn't going to stand still. I would guess that in two to three years, 10 megapixel cameras will have replaced 6 megapixel offerings as the standard enthusiast level camera. It's almost a certainty. Paul
Re: Best pix of 2003
Well, maybe pap was too strong a word. I'm real cranky this morning. Paul Stenquist wrote: but I don't think that any of these are pap.
Re: Încredible eagle shot!!!
on 28.01.04 18:20, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, Sylwek, your picture did not Draw The Viewer In. It exhibited a Disconnect. It did not render adequately the Subtle Interplay Of Light And Shadow. It did not Tell A Story. You obviously did not Have The Entire Scene Completed In Your Head Before You Even Picked Up The Camera. HAR. I am not worthy, I am not worthy ;-) P.S. It wasn't even my shot anyway ;-) -- Best Regards Sylwek
Re: Încredible eagle shot!!!
At 11:08 AM 1/28/04, throwing caution to the wind, Shel Belinkoff wrote: Why waste our time with such crap ... Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote: http://www.pbase.com/image/25524341 Couldn't imagine better composition and level of details ;- -- Best Regards Sylwek Did we forget our sense of humor med this morning?
Re: People Their Bikes - Frank, one more for your collection!
lol Cotty! Thanks, but truth is girls don't seem to go for skinny. Maybe if I stick (no pun intended) around long enough, twigs will come back? Cheers, Ryan PS. Lasses don't go for bicycles either! Two strikes.. argh. I hear a lot of them have a thing for tour de france cyclists' calves.. Another thing I haven't got.. Three strikes.. That was quick. - Original Message - From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 2:30 AM Subject: OT: People Their Bikes - Frank, one more for your collection! On 28/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: http://www.geocities.com/heygoosey/RyanBikeBrissie.JPG I luckily had a couple of shots left on a roll I wanted to get printed, so what better way to waste film than a self portrait! I just got my Singh Ray Gold Blue Polariser in the mail today, pity I couldn't have used it for the shot, but hey.. next time.. Cheers! Ryan Thanks Ryan, nice to put a face to a name. You'll have all the girls swooning, dammit. Oh yeah, nice bike, too ;-) Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
Re: Regarding recent critique request, and scanning questions
Hi! Fascinating. To me it looks like a forcefield of some sort. A little patch of bright in the middle part of the land completes this. I hope I am at least half-reasonably clear. Boris
RE: Best pix of 2003
Ya don't say! I almost sent a sarcastic reply to your comment aimed at Sylwester, but when two similar comments came in together I figured 'give the guy a break - he is obviously having a bad day!' I actually quite like many of the shots in Doug's link though... Then again I am more into nice pics than reportage/docupics so I guess I would, wouldn't I? Hope things get better as the day progresses... If not, follow Cotty's advice - HAVE A DRINK! HAVE A DRINK! HAVE A DRINK! HAVE A DRINK! - maybe things will improve then! -Original Message- From: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 January 2004 17:01 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Best pix of 2003 Well, maybe pap was too strong a word. I'm real cranky this morning. Paul Stenquist wrote: but I don't think that any of these are pap.
RE: People Their Bikes - Frank, one more for your collection!
You're working the wrong angle. You have a camera and you shoot b/w, therefore you're an artist. See where I'm going here? tv -Original Message- From: Ryan Lee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 12:01 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: People Their Bikes - Frank, one more for your collection! lol Cotty! Thanks, but truth is girls don't seem to go for skinny. Maybe if I stick (no pun intended) around long enough, twigs will come back? Cheers, Ryan PS. Lasses don't go for bicycles either! Two strikes.. argh. I hear a lot of them have a thing for tour de france cyclists' calves.. Another thing I haven't got.. Three strikes.. That was quick. - Original Message - From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 2:30 AM Subject: OT: People Their Bikes - Frank, one more for your collection! On 28/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: http://www.geocities.com/heygoosey/RyanBikeBrissie.JPG I luckily had a couple of shots left on a roll I wanted to get printed, so what better way to waste film than a self portrait! I just got my Singh Ray Gold Blue Polariser in the mail today, pity I couldn't have used it for the shot, but hey.. next time.. Cheers! Ryan Thanks Ryan, nice to put a face to a name. You'll have all the girls swooning, dammit. Oh yeah, nice bike, too ;-) Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
Re: Optio 550, was Re: D: Too much D?
At 09:01 AM 1/28/2004, you wrote: I'd like to know what you think of the Optio 550. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote, in part: I'm surprised myself that there isn't much discussion about other Pentax digital equipment. Given the slightest encouragement (you are warned!) I would be happy to discuss the wonderful Optio 550 ... I have the Optio 555, which is essentially the same camera, and I love it. It's with me all the time. Fits great in a fanny pack. BTW, there is a mail list for Optio users although it's pretty dead right now. If anyone here is interested in livening it up you can join by sending a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gary J Sibio [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~garysibio/ You know you're having a bad day when Elton John rewrites the lyrics to Candle in the Wind for you.
RE: Regarding recent critique request, and scanning questions
It's a rainbow. When I told my wife I had a rainbow image in BW, she derisively laughed, and said it would just be gas! After she saw it, she asked for a print to give to a friend as a gift! Aric -Original Message- From: Boris Liberman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 12:07 PM To: Rothman, Aric Subject: Re: Regarding recent critique request, and scanning questions Hi! Fascinating. To me it looks like a forcefield of some sort. A little patch of bright in the middle part of the land completes this. I hope I am at least half-reasonably clear. Boris
RE: Regarding recent critique request, and scanning questions
The Scanwit is a 35mm film scanner. http://www.photoscientia.co.uk/Review.htm I did not operate the Nikon scanner. The fellow who performed the scan for me is a seasoned BW photographer, processor, and wet printer. Aric -Original Message- From: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 11:55 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Regarding recent critique request, and scanning questions Is that Scanwit a flatbed scanner? Did you scan the negs on the Nikon scanner, or did someone do it for you? Rothman, Aric wrote: I thought my scanner might be to blame. Admittedly a cheapo (Scanwit 2720S), I scanned some negatives with the local camera shops Nikon scanner and got similar results.
Win98SE *istD
Hi! Has anybody hooked up an *istD to a win98SE PC? Seen some threads about win98 not supporting USB fully but win98SE should work. Have bought myself a used laptop with win98SE. It wants me to insert a driver for the camera when I connect it to the USB-port :( /Peter __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/
RE: Best pix of 2003
Just out of curiousity...do any of these looked dovtored to you? My mom had sent me this link and I sort of dismissed it. She sends me a lot of doctored crap. tv -Original Message- From: Rob Brigham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 12:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Best pix of 2003 Ya don't say! I almost sent a sarcastic reply to your comment aimed at Sylwester, but when two similar comments came in together I figured 'give the guy a break - he is obviously having a bad day!' I actually quite like many of the shots in Doug's link though... Then again I am more into nice pics than reportage/docupics so I guess I would, wouldn't I? Hope things get better as the day progresses... If not, follow Cotty's advice - HAVE A DRINK! HAVE A DRINK! HAVE A DRINK! HAVE A DRINK! - maybe things will improve then! -Original Message- From: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 January 2004 17:01 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Best pix of 2003 Well, maybe pap was too strong a word. I'm real cranky this morning. Paul Stenquist wrote: but I don't think that any of these are pap.
RE: Best pix of 2003
Rob Brigham posted, among other things: I actually quite like many of the shots in Doug's link though... Then again I am more into nice pics than reportage/docupics so I guess I would, wouldn't I? I liked the pics Doug shared, too. Especially with the relative lack of reportage/documentary photos -- Yesterday my copy of News Photographer arrived, with the Best of Photojournalism 2003 photos contained therein. War, war, war, plague, plague, war, hard times -- Seemed to me an even more depressing collection of photographs than usual. This group of pics (that Doug shared) was a nice little antidote. One other depressing point about the News Photographer collection too -- so very many images with muddy blotchy shadows, even muddy, blotchy midtones. Seems another drawback to digital taking over the press photogs' kit: the images are technically ghastly. But perhaps in just a little more time, those problems will disappear. Doubtful we can say the same about wars and plagues and Man's Inhumanity To Man.
Re: Win98SE *istD
Peter Hillerstrom a écrit: Hi! Has anybody hooked up an *istD to a win98SE PC? Seen some threads about win98 not supporting USB fully but win98SE should work. Have bought myself a used laptop with win98SE. It wants me to insert a driver for the camera when I connect it to the USB-port :( The *ist D is only Usb 1.1, you can use a cheap CompactFlash/Pcmcia adapter on a laptop computer; it's more faster. Michel
Re: Film: And the Dead Shall Rise...
Hello Antti-Pekka, My personal belief is that it is NOT the lack of film availabilty that will be the issue, but the cost to buy and PROCESS/PRINT it. Depending on where you are in the world, this may be the case. Here in the USA, the number of 1 hour minilabs is starting to drop unless they cough up enough to buy the digital labs. The price per print will slowly rise on the film side and may slowly decline on the digital side. Areas of the world where computerization is lower, film will be more dominant. In other words, it is an economic decision, not a technological or quality one. Whatever is the cheapest to use will become the norm. So where I live, digital is coming on strong. -- Best regards, Bruce Wednesday, January 28, 2004, 4:21:46 AM, you wrote: -Original Message- where have you read this? film is going away because the people who used to buy the most aren't buying it. Herb APV I did not read it anywhere. Like I said it just occurred to me that APV this is used as one of the reasons why to go digital. I have heard APV recently this kind of statements (locally)... when someone is APV trying to convince him/hersel why he/she should buy a digital camera APV right now (a good reason to convince oneself to buy a DSLR which APV does not have all the specs one would really want ;-). APV It's like going to panic and selling current film gear because APV the value of the gear will drop pretty soon because there will be APV no film available. This sounds like a ridiculous reason but I've APV seen more crazy ones when someone is thinking of buying a new APV car for example :-) These are the kind of reasons rehearsed to be APV presented to the wife... APV It does not have anything to do with the fact that film market APV is shrinking (not going away) because the people who used to buy APV it aren't buying it any more (because they use digicams). APV A film company stopping to make film altogether because the market APV is no longer growing is another thing. The film market is still APV HUGE globally and will be for a very long time (not just the next APV couple of years) so there will be plenty of film available. APV This is just my view of what will happen. One cannot prove it the APV way or the other, we need to get back to this question after some APV 10-20 years to see if the film is still available or not. I have APV been wrong before... but usually I have been right ;-) APV Antti-Pekka APV --- APV Antti-Pekka Virjonen APV Computec Oy, Turku Finland APV Gsm: +358-500-789 753 APV www.computec.fi * www.estera.fi
Re: Scanning Question
No, it's what ~I~ meant to say. I'm newish to this scanning thing, and it's entirely possible I may not know the difference between a really good scan and a lesser quality scan. Boris Liberman wrote: Hi! Of course, it's always possible that I can't tell a good scan from a poor one, or a good photograph or image from a poor one. This is something I did not say, nor meant to imply... sigh Boris
Re: OT: Labelling messages by topic D: S: F: P: OT: and so on (2)
Frank is now in my kill file. And also, my drinks file. Hic. ---Lon the Blatently Stupid. And, BTW, Cotty can't be trusted any further than you can throw any engine out of a 1950's 'Murican car. Hic. -Lon, the icredibly besotten. frank theriault wrote: Drinks? Did someone say Drinks?
Re: Vivitar 19mm
In my hands, the K 24mm f2.8 has chromatic aberration out the wing wang. Flavio Minelli wrote: Not to pour cold water on your enthusiasms, but must somewhat disagree with what have been said about this lens. I have it too but right now it's one of my most unused lenses, especially since I got a SMCK 24/2.8. Of course such a lens (the 19) will rarely see an extensive use anyway...
Re: OT: Developer for Fujicolor Press 800?
Just have it developed normally. You went to an honest shop. No one pushes C-41, at least in a processing machine. Bill Robb will tell you it can't be done at all. However, I think he is wrong about that, it can be pushed if you hand develop it. But C-41 film works quite well at one stop underexposure, you just lose a bit of shadow detail. -- Ryan Lee wrote: Hey all.. Just got back from a massive camping trip, and boy was it fun.. One headache now though, and unfortunately it's not from the sun. One of the rolls I took was Press 800 but rated at 1600, and I was intending to take it down to the prolab to get them to leave it in the soup a bit longer. However, the one I went to near where I live wasn't going to do it. Anyway, John Coyle was generous enough to volunteer his developing kit to help me out, but I was wondering if anyone has suggestions for developer to use.. Also, if anyone's done this before, any tips on developing times? Thanks, Ryan -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com You might as well accept people as they are, you are not going to be able to change them anyway.
Re: OT: unusual list behavior
BTW, welcome back, Marnie. Haven't seen you post in a while. Have you been lurking? ;-) Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/28/04 01:03PM In a message dated 1/28/2004 2:49:53 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It does not seem to have reached the list... It did on my list. ;-) About four messages down from your rereply (sorted by date, newest at top). Marnie aka Doe
Re: Graywolf's Photo
Bang! grin I entirely agree about the hands. The photo misses the decisive moment by about a week. And, yes, it is a genuine barber shop. Something that is disappearing in the US being mostly replaced by Unisex Styling Salons. I do have a lot of emotional involvement with this photo, but it has nothing to do with its artistic merit. Those who have been following my journal will realize it is the cumulation of nearly a years odyssey trying to get a darkroom to do 4x5's together, and then finding the shutter had gone off to la-la land on the Graphic and hving to fix that. It is the first shot that I have done since then that was not just a test shot, so for me it is a big landmark. I really only posted it as a sample of a competently done flash photo from a 1000% manual camera which tied into the discussion about your photos, Boris. Somehow, we got into a long artistic discussion about it. My excuse is I was huddling inside out of the snow with nothing better to do. Actually, the fact that some saw enough artistic merit in the photo to bother discussing it, is I realize quite a complement to me. Thanks folks. -- Boris Liberman wrote: Hi! I looked at this photo once and couldn't make up my mind about the sink. Then I read some of the comments and returned to the photo. Then I noticed that both the barber and his customer are of considerable age. At least for Israel. It is rare to find such a pair in local barber shops. Hmmm, is barber shop proper name for it? Anyway, I don't see any problems except the sink here. I think it could be cropped or shot vertically. I even think that by cropping just the sink the certain symmetry would be achieved as it would seem that the wall just on the left of the customer and the reflection in the mirror are about to intersect beyond the frame. The shot would all tilt a little to the left and this would fit the direction - from the barber who's leaning somewhat to its customer... Also, I don't know about the rules, but I'd like to see more of the barber's hands and see what he is actually doing... Just my cents... Don't shoot me on sight, will you? Boris -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com You might as well accept people as they are, you are not going to be able to change them anyway.
OT: Photoshop CS
Question - When I open a file, the dialog box comes up with the files listed in file mode, and sorted by size. I can hit the little dropdown box to change the parms, but I can't figure out how to get it to default to show details and sort by name. I'm running XP pro. Any help appreciated. tv
RE: FW: PDML : Vivitar 19mm (was: MIR-47K 20mm f2.8 lens tests or experiences)
Hi, Nick, Could be two different models. Sounds like Paul's has a ~much~ larger filter ring than mine, which is 62mm. Also, given that it's a cheap lens, there are likely QC issues from sample to sample. I also think that much of it is that some are more demanding and critical than others. When I read things like unusable wider than f11 (I'm not referring to a similar statement made in this thread, because I see it all the time referring to other lenses), I know that the author is ~much~ more critical than I am, as I've really never come across a lens that's unusable at any aperture. I've made some acceptable photos (at least acceptable to me) with some pretty cheap and nasty lenses, so if I praise a product, take it worth a grain of salt. OTOH, if you've seen some of my photos, you'll know that sharpness isn't my Holy Grail... vbg cheers, frank The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: Nick Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: FW: PDML : Vivitar 19mm (was: MIR-47K 20mm f2.8 lens tests or experiences) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 19:36:39 - Message from a non-posting member. I'm guessing there could be two production lines, or possibly two different models, of this lens given the totally polar viewpoints? _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcommpgmarket=en-caRU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca
Re: FW: PDML : Vivitar 19mm (was: MIR-47K 20mm f2.8 lens tests or experiences)
Indeed ... LOL (good natured jibe) OOF frank theriault wrote: OTOH, if you've seen some of my photos, you'll know that sharpness isn't my Holy Grail... vbg
Re: FW: PDML : Vivitar 19mm (was: MIR-47K 20mm f2.8 lens tests or experiences)
Shel, I figured I better throw that line in there as a pre-emptive strike. vbg - the oof-meister The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Indeed ... LOL (good natured jibe) OOF frank theriault wrote: OTOH, if you've seen some of my photos, you'll know that sharpness isn't my Holy Grail... vbg _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcommpgmarket=en-caRU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca
Re: Scanning Question
What do you plan to do with the images once scanned? It seems like that would be the real driver. If you plan to print them, does the printer require RGB or will it work OK with grayscale? - MCC At 11:01 AM 1/27/2004 -0800, you wrote: Over the next few weeks I'm going to attempt scanning a lot of conventional BW negs. I have heard a number of conflicting opinions on the best way to do this. Most comments center around whether to scan in RGB or greyscale. Greyscale would be nice as I could save some space, but if RBG will give higher quality results, I'll bite the bullet. - Mark Cassino Photography Kalamazoo, MI http://www.markcassino.com -
RE: Încredible eagle shot!!!
Hmmm... Shot with a Canon, eh? vbg cheers, frank PS: Unlike others, I happened to notice that you didn't shoot it, Sylwester g. The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: Sylwester Pietrzyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Încredible eagle shot!!! Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 16:51:22 +0100 http://www.pbase.com/image/25524341 Couldn't imagine better composition and level of details ;- -- Best Regards Sylwek _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/photospgmarket=en-caRU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca
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Hi folks, PUG is back Cheers Adelheid
RE: OT: People Their Bikes - Frank, one more for your collection!
link don't work for me :-( -frank The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: Ryan Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PDML [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: OT: People Their Bikes - Frank, one more for your collection! Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 01:06:21 +1000 http://www.geocities.com/heygoosey/RyanBikeBrissie.JPG I luckily had a couple of shots left on a roll I wanted to get printed, so what better way to waste film than a self portrait! I just got my Singh Ray Gold Blue Polariser in the mail today, pity I couldn't have used it for the shot, but hey.. next time.. Cheers! Ryan _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcommpgmarket=en-caRU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca
Re: Graywolf's Photo
http://www.graywolfphoto.com/presscameras/ I was not wearing the trench coat and fedora when I took the barber shop photo. -- Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: I don't know anything about Graywolf's equipment of course. -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com You might as well accept people as they are, you are not going to be able to change them anyway.
Re: Best pix of 2003
I do admit to feeling a bit outclassed when one of these was taken with the Hubble telescope. Damn, when is there going to be a Pentax version . ..?
RE: pOT: People Their Bikes - Frank, one more for your collection!
I almost posted the bunny ears one... -frank The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] I *almost* posted the foot picture, but was able to restrain myself. tv _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/photospgmarket=en-caRU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca
RE: pOT: People Their Bikes - Frank, one more for your collection!
Someone owes us a beer. -Original Message- From: frank theriault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 4:14 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: pOT: People Their Bikes - Frank, one more for your collection! I almost posted the bunny ears one... -frank The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] I *almost* posted the foot picture, but was able to restrain myself. tv _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/photospgmarket=en-caRU=ht tp%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers% 26pgmarket%3den-ca
Re: Film: And the Dead Shall Rise...
Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I expect that color film use five to ten years from now will at least equal black and white film use today. Now that's the first film-to-digital transition speculation that makes sense to me. Well put. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: OT - Opposition Notching up a gear...
Lon Williamson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mark Roberts wrote: Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: did I read that right? 8.2MP and 8.5 frames per second for 40 frames? Man, I knew Canon was going to respond to the Nikon D2h by PMA but I didn't think they'd blow it away like this! This is actually a little scary... You want 8.5 frames per second, look at a video cam. I don't need any more than 2 fps. But a lot of PJ types need it and a hell of a lot of people who don't need it *want* it. Specsmanship is about as nifty as yesterday's news. No argument. But it *does* sell cameras. (The specs that interest me, though, are 1.3x crop factor and 8 megapixels.) -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: Încredible eagle shot!!!
Absolutely fabulous! :-) Jostein - Original Message - From: Sylwester Pietrzyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 4:51 PM Subject: Încredible eagle shot!!! http://www.pbase.com/image/25524341 Couldn't imagine better composition and level of details ;- -- Best Regards Sylwek
Re: PUG is back
Well done, Igor and Adelheid! Jostein - Original Message - From: Adelheid v. K. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 10:00 PM Subject: PUG is back Hi folks, PUG is back Cheers Adelheid
Re: Încredible eagle shot!!!
Hmmm... Shot with a Canon, eh? Yup, people say that with 100-400 L IS - very good lens for nature as we can see ;-) PS: Unlike others, I happened to notice that you didn't shoot it, Sylwester g. Bingo ;-) You have beer when we meet! -- Best regards Sylwek
Re: Win98SE *istD
Hi list, I also still do have a machine on 98SE - but I got myself a little Sandisk FireWire/CF reader - 512MB are loaded in less than 1min 30s ! So what's all the fuzz about USB1.1, USB2.0, full-speed hispeed USB... ;-) !?! Thomas Michel Carrère-Gée schrieb: Peter Hillerstrom a écrit: Hi! Has anybody hooked up an *istD to a win98SE PC? Seen some threads about win98 not supporting USB fully but win98SE should work. Have bought myself a used laptop with win98SE. It wants me to insert a driver for the camera when I connect it to the USB-port :( The *ist D is only Usb 1.1, you can use a cheap CompactFlash/Pcmcia adapter on a laptop computer; it's more faster. Michel
Re: OT - Opposition Notching up a gear...
Hi! I have one question and one answer. Steve - I wouldn't be tempted by $800-$900 DSLR until Pentax produces one as for me it would mean buying lenses too, which is over my head. I may be tempted however by $700 DZLR assuming prices of Nikon CoolPix 8700 eventually reach that level and it scores to my liking on reviews. I then may actually sell most of my Pentax gear and buy this camera. But this is mostly theoretical. Now for my question - I am starting to sense a price wars unravel... Are you? Boris
Re: Best pix of 2003
Hi, Mostly pap, cute animal pics, and flashy colors. A few nice pics. Surprisingly lacking by comparison is reportage or documentary work. it was a vote. It's why there are no great mass-circulation documentary magazines any more. Only about 13 people on the planet are interested. -- Cheers, Bob
Re: Best pix of 2003
Hi list, ... t Just out of curiousity...do any of these looked dovtored to you? What do you think about the 747 passing the moon? I think with a focal lenght of about 1600mm equiv., one of the two should be out of focus...depth of field is very flat...or is it already hyperfocal at 35.000 feet? ;-) Thomas Bruce Dayton schrieb: Hello tom, Yes, some of them do. I have become more skeptical of amazing technical shots because it can be so easy to alter and combine images. -- Best regards, Bruce Wednesday, January 28, 2004, 9:46:32 AM, you wrote: t Just out of curiousity...do any of these looked dovtored to you? t My mom had sent me this link and I sort of dismissed it. She sends me a lot t of doctored crap. t tv -Original Message- From: Rob Brigham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 12:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Best pix of 2003 Ya don't say! I almost sent a sarcastic reply to your comment aimed at Sylwester, but when two similar comments came in together I figured 'give the guy a break - he is obviously having a bad day!' I actually quite like many of the shots in Doug's link though... Then again I am more into nice pics than reportage/docupics so I guess I would, wouldn't I? Hope things get better as the day progresses... If not, follow Cotty's advice - HAVE A DRINK! HAVE A DRINK! HAVE A DRINK! HAVE A DRINK! - maybe things will improve then! -Original Message- From: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 January 2004 17:01 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Best pix of 2003 Well, maybe pap was too strong a word. I'm real cranky this morning. Paul Stenquist wrote: but I don't think that any of these are pap.
Re: Best pix of 2003
Hi, The airplane and moon shot is highly suspect. I disagree. A few years ago I did a contract in West London, near Heathrow airport. I used to get the train home from Syon Lane. In the late autumn at about 5.30/6pm the moon was generally very low in the sky and planes were coming in once a minute exactly as you see in that photo. I never took a photo of it because I didn't want to bring a honking great tripod, 400mm lens etc. to work. I always meant to go back and do it at the end of the contract, but never have. -- Cheers, Bob
Re: PUG is back
Indeed!! Thanks so much for all your hard work. cheers, frank The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: Jostein [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: PUG is back Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 22:52:51 +0100 Well done, Igor and Adelheid! Jostein - Original Message - From: Adelheid v. K. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 10:00 PM Subject: PUG is back Hi folks, PUG is back Cheers Adelheid _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/viruspgmarket=en-caRU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca
Re: Win98SE *istD
Thomas Stach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I also still do have a machine on 98SE - but I got myself a little Sandisk FireWire/CF reader - 512MB are loaded in less than 1min 30s ! So what's all the fuzz about USB1.1, USB2.0, full-speed hispeed USB... ;-) !?! Come to think of it, the original poster was inquiring about a laptop computer, wasn't he? The solution here is to get a card reader that plugs into the PC-card slot. I just got one for my laptop (running Win98). Works great and only cost me $11.00... plus there was a $5.00 rebate on it! Total cost about six dollars. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: Best pix of 2003
Except that this plane is showing contrails...generally denotes high altitude. Norm Bob W wrote: snipIn the late autumn at about 5.30/6pm the moon was generally very low in the sky and planes were coming in once a minute exactly as you see in that photo. snip
Re: Best pix of 2003
If the boeing/moon is a double, it's well done. The light angle fits very well, and the plane is slightly blurred. But it seems almost too good to be true, though. Actually, I'm more suspicious about the authenticity northern pike picture. To my knowledge, the pike always takes its prey head first. Otherwise the prey would live longer and be able to put up much more struggle, and would be more difficult to swallow because of the fins and gills pointing the wrong way. The most manipulated images I think must be the false-colour astro images by Hubble. :-) Jostein - Original Message - From: Thomas Stach [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 7:30 PM Subject: Re: Best pix of 2003 Hi list, ... t Just out of curiousity...do any of these looked dovtored to you? What do you think about the 747 passing the moon? I think with a focal lenght of about 1600mm equiv., one of the two should be out of focus...depth of field is very flat...or is it already hyperfocal at 35.000 feet? ;-) Thomas Bruce Dayton schrieb: Hello tom, Yes, some of them do. I have become more skeptical of amazing technical shots because it can be so easy to alter and combine images. -- Best regards, Bruce Wednesday, January 28, 2004, 9:46:32 AM, you wrote: t Just out of curiousity...do any of these looked dovtored to you? t My mom had sent me this link and I sort of dismissed it. She sends me a lot t of doctored crap. t tv -Original Message- From: Rob Brigham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 12:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Best pix of 2003 Ya don't say! I almost sent a sarcastic reply to your comment aimed at Sylwester, but when two similar comments came in together I figured 'give the guy a break - he is obviously having a bad day!' I actually quite like many of the shots in Doug's link though... Then again I am more into nice pics than reportage/docupics so I guess I would, wouldn't I? Hope things get better as the day progresses... If not, follow Cotty's advice - HAVE A DRINK! HAVE A DRINK! HAVE A DRINK! HAVE A DRINK! - maybe things will improve then! -Original Message- From: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 January 2004 17:01 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Best pix of 2003 Well, maybe pap was too strong a word. I'm real cranky this morning. Paul Stenquist wrote: but I don't think that any of these are pap.
Re: Scanning Question
Primary use is for an on line portfolio. Secondary will be inkjet prints, although most of the prints (I hope) will be good ol' silver prints made directly from the negs. IAC, many of the final inkjet prints will have a subtle tone to them, like printing on Agfa Portriga Rapid. shel Mark Cassino wrote: What do you plan to do with the images once scanned? It seems like that would be the real driver. If you plan to print them, does the printer require RGB or will it work OK with grayscale?
RE: Me and Bobby McGee
It's just right on the 3.5 screen of my PDA! Nick -Original Message- From: Shel Belinkoff[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 26/01/04 19:31:05 To: PDML[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Me and Bobby McGee Just a little snap from a few nights ago. I'd be interested in how the description appears on your monitors ... is it easily readable, too big/small ... Thanks for looking, IAC ... http://home.earthlink.net/~digisnaps/mcgee.html shel
Re: Încredible eagle shot!!!
LOL, literally! - MCC At 04:51 PM 1/28/2004 +0100, you wrote: http://www.pbase.com/image/25524341 Couldn't imagine better composition and level of details ;- -- Best Regards Sylwek - Mark Cassino Photography Kalamazoo, MI http://www.markcassino.com -
Re: Virus warning: Mydoom/Novarg
I got bit by it on Sunday and it was a real PITA. The infected email I got arrived a couple of hours before Symantec put updated Virus defs on line.Today alone, I've rec'd over 150 infected emails (that Norton has squelched, thankfully.) - MCC At 09:29 AM 1/27/2004 +0100, you wrote: Dear PDML'ers A new virus is spreading rapidly. It was upgraded to the highest risk level by my antivirus vendor last night, and this morning I found the first infected email in my PDML mail account. Which means that someone on the list is already infected. Here's a link to F-Secure's info on the malice: http://www.f-secure.com/v-descs/novarg.shtml There is also another virus that is very active in these parts nowadays; the WORM_MIMAIL.R virus. It seems that someone on the list has caught that one as well. Time for protection update, folks. Cheers, Jostein This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. - Mark Cassino Photography Kalamazoo, MI http://www.markcassino.com -
Re: overpriced
William Robb suggested that the cheaper operating costs of his digital relative to his LX are false economy because his ratio of good shots is higher on film. I'd agree on a couple of points, namely 1) I've had lousy luck with my LX economically speaking as well 2) I shoot more with digital than I did with film for the same number of final edited images Of course the longer the digital is used the better it comes out in the operating-cost comparison. This is why pros who shoot 50-100 thousand shots a year in order to make money are switching to digital. I have found that I have a very slightly lower proportion of keepers when shooting digital than shooting film (more junk, but also more keepers, because more total shots) in general I find it much harder to edit these days because I don't have ONE good shot but four or five. I have also found that despite skill, equipment, and such volume of fire does in general increase the likelyhood of great shots, if simply due to pure luck (which is what actually makes most great shots rise above the really good level). In that sense, my ability to get one great lucky shot with digital more often than I got it with film makes it a great improvement. William Robb also pointed out that no matter the cost-benefit analysis DSLRs are expensive. That's true, but increasingly less so. The Nikon D2h is selling at only a couple of hundred dollars more than the Nikon F5 did when it was new. While the *istD and Canon digital rebel are more expensive than their film brethren they are cheaper than top-of-the-line film cameras. In a couple of years, consumer DSLRs should be down to $600-750 or so, cheaper than the 2nd best film cameras most manufacturers currently offer. Realistically, 35mm FILM cameras are overpriced when compared on resolution. You can get a used Pentax 6x7 and a lens for less than the price of a Nikon F100 or Canon Digital Rebel. 35mm has never been about maximum technical quality, but a blend of technical quality and convenience. Lately 35mm and even 35mm-sized digital have gotten good enough in quality to make many pros consider abandoning larger formats for some uses, but if you want maximum data-per-frame larger formats are still the way to go. DJE
Re: Best pix of 2003
Also happens at high humidity. I've seen vortex trails off the rear wings of race cars, which generally run at a fairly low altitude :-) Except that this plane is showing contrails...generally denotes high altitude. Norm Bob W wrote: snipIn the late autumn at about 5.30/6pm the moon was generally very low in the sky and planes were coming in once a minute exactly as you see in that photo. snip
Re: FW: PDML : Vivitar 19mm (was: MIR-47K 20mm f2.8 lens tests or experiences)
On 28 Jan 2004 at 19:36, Nick Clark wrote: Message from a non-posting member. I'm guessing there could be two production lines, or possibly two different models, of this lens given the totally polar viewpoints? Nick -Original Message- From: Fox, Paul[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 26/01/04 09:25:42 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PDML : Vivitar 19mm (was: MIR-47K 20mm f2.8 lens tests or experiences) Hi Nick, i can back it up: It's a phantastic little and affordable wide angle. Much better than the old m42-screw-mount Zeis Jena Flektogon (which should be quite similar to that MIR 2.8/20) and even better (IMO) than the old Pentax 4/20. I sold both 20mm lenses - although I never got the Vivitar for K-mount but for my old Yashica FR. I like to take simply the FR with the attached 19mm out of the bag instead of changing lenses (although I'm doing that with my primes often). I suspect it's all relative, the Pentax 20/4 has a pretty bad reputation here as well I believe. The A20/2.8 is a very nice lens, anyone who has compared it to the Vivitar will draw the same conclusion. The only advantage the Vivitar has is price and I believe that that is a false economy in any case. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
