GESO: Hong Kong
8 pix from HK; avoidance of photoclichés not entirely successful, but what a memorable place: http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2009/02/15/Hong-Kong -T -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Remembering...
Thanks, Godfrey, Christine, and Joseph. Christine, my Mom died about three years ago, and I showed several hands on list before she died, and a few things after she did. http://www.mapphotography.com/PAWS/pages/morehands.htm I also used that picture on her memorial card. So now this sort of thing, for me, has really entered more the realm of art than anything else. I took a lot of pictures of her hands and may someday do a hand GESO. Or just show them slowly over time. However, I do admit I always feel a bit more vulnerable showing these shots on list than any other shots I have ever taken. Thanks all for looking, and thanks for the comments. Marnie aka Doe - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. **You're invited to Hollywood's biggest party: Get Oscars updates, red carpet pics and more at Moviefone. (http://movies.aol.com/oscars-academy-awards?ncid=emlcntusmovi0001) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Aussie Trinkets Mates...
On 28/2/09, Joseph McAllister, discombobulated, unleashed: Just ran across these must have trinkets on FaceBook http://www.oyemodern.com/designers/re-vision/ Maybe we could commission a PDML exclusive? Nice idea but where do you hook the leash on? -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Aussie Trinkets Mates...
The persons aperture stimulator... 2009/3/1 Cotty cotty...@mac.com: On 28/2/09, Joseph McAllister, discombobulated, unleashed: Just ran across these must have trinkets on FaceBook http://www.oyemodern.com/designers/re-vision/ Maybe we could commission a PDML exclusive? Nice idea but where do you hook the leash on? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Aussie Trinkets Mates...
In a message dated 3/1/2009 12:45:08 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, cotty...@mac.com writes: On 28/2/09, Joseph McAllister, discombobulated, unleashed: Just ran across these must have trinkets on FaceBook http://www.oyemodern.com/designers/re-vision/ Maybe we could commission a PDML exclusive? Nice idea but where do you hook the leash on? -- Cheers, Cotty I would think this sort of lens mutilation would be right up your alley... Marnie :-) - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. **You're invited to Hollywood's biggest party: Get Oscars updates, red carpet pics and more at Moviefone. (http://movies.aol.com/oscars-academy-awards?ncid=emlcntusmovi0001) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Aussie Trinkets Mates...
On 1/3/09, eactiv...@aol.com, discombobulated, unleashed: I would think this sort of lens mutilation would be right up your alley. Mark! They're okay, but I like the heavy ribbing on the A*85 :-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Erin had a riding accident Friday
I am sorry to hear that, David. I'm sure that being a young woman she will make a quick and complete recovery. Best wishes, Carlos -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Second version of the lens case
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157614520437805/ There was some dicussion of my first prototype not being waterproof. The second version now has two cases, the inner shock resistant one, and an outer waterproof, or at least water resistant one. -- Photographs are like sentences, the best ones have both subjects and verbs. Larry Colen l...@red4est.comhttp://www.red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: on paper (was: Re: Our Book and other book pictures)
Now there's a false analogy. The translation from painting to print alters the essence of the art. The paint, the texture, even the color, they're all changed and seriously degraded. But the personality of literture lies in the words, not the medium that presents them. Literary art isn't created at printing plants or binderies, it's born in the mind of the writer. How it's conveyed is somewhat irrelevant. There is, of course, some art involved in bookmaking, but its secondary to the written word. On the other hand, the artistry of the painting is a function of the medium. But you knew that, you just want to argue:-). Paul Not at all. The point I was trying to make is precisely the one you are missing, which is that the pleasure of reading lies not just in the words, but also in the book itself. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: PESO: flea market in winter
Love it. The way the blue sky sea picture appears like a gate into another dimension is fantastic. Bob http://www.flickr.com/photos/tamoneki/3269934581/ pentax spotmatic, fuji pro 160s, zeiss 35 2.4 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Aussie Trinkets Mates...
On Sat, 28 Feb 2009 22:51:16 -0800, Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com said: Just ran across these must have trinkets on FaceBook http://www.oyemodern.com/designers/re-vision/ Maybe we could commission a PDML exclusive? Stave the lizards, cobber, I near kacked meself lookin' at the askin'. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/ -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Choose from over 50 domains or use your own -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: on paper (was: Re: Our Book and other book pictures)
That's not a benefit to me or the majority of readers. For visually-impaired people, yes, but that's not going to overturn the world of the book anymore than audiobooks has done, and they've been around a very long time now. I have yet to see anything which would convince me or any of my friends or family to buy an electronic reader, and I reckon we are collectively pretty representative of the book-buying public, at least in the UK. If you can't convince that market then your damnable machines are not going to replace books, I'm glad to say. I have a very good friend who never reads conventional printed books because he just cannot sit down for long enough - he always has to up and about and doing things. But his job involves a lot of driving up and down the motorways so he listens to a lot of audiobooks and gets his lit-fix that way. There's a big audience for audiobooks, but Kindles don't even change that. The visually impaired person described below is very much part of a niche market, with a minority need even in audiobook terms, although I'm glad to see that Kindles can fulfil that need. That last paragraph is marketing blurb and doesn't stand up to inspection. People who buy Kindles buy more books. I'll assume this means that they buy more e-books than they used to buy conventional books. Big deal. It tells you nothing about how many conventional books they used to buy, or how many Kindle-buyers were involved. If 10 people buy Kindles who had previously only bought one conventional book, and they each buy 2 e-books, that ain't gonna make a revolution. I'd be more impressed if they could show that a large number of people like me, who buy 50-100 books a year, were Kindling by the faggot-load, but they're not. Since they've been around I've only ever seen one person using them, on the tube, among probably millions of other people I see reading conventional books on their way to and from work, and that person was dressed like he was on his way to a sci-fi convention. That last sentence is completely vacuous. 'Bringing the benefits...'. Alright, what are they? Bob -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Paul Stenquist Sent: 28 February 2009 19:32 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: on paper (was: Re: Our Book and other book pictures) On Feb 28, 2009, at 1:37 PM, Bob W wrote: The benefits to the customer of digital books are not at all clear to me. I can't hear readers clamouring for electronic book readers, all I can see is producers with vested interests trying to force them onto customers. What's in it for me? Why should I spend my money on this? The following is from the one other list I subscribe to, the Penn State U Writer's List. Note the last sentence in particular. BTW, the people I know who write for a living long ago began preparing for the ultimate demise of words on paper publication. As a visually impaired person I had been planning on purchasing the Kindle 2 because there are virtually no books on fiction writing out there on audio but there are quite a few for Kindle. But, late last night on Amazon's Kindle support page the following notice came out. Now, I'm going to have to wait to see how many authors opt in and how many opt out. I'm hoping the authors and publishers of the kinds of books that never get onto audio will opt in. Statement from Amazon.com Regarding Kindle 2's Experimental Text-to- Speech Feature SEATTLE, Feb 27, 2009 (Kindle 2's experimental text-to-speech feature is legal: no copy is made, no derivative work is created, and no performance is being given. Furthermore, we ourselves are a major participant in the professionally narrated audiobooks business through our subsidiaries Audible and Brilliance. We believe text-to-speech will introduce new customers to the convenience of listening to books and thereby grow the professionally narrated audiobooks business. Nevertheless, we strongly believe many rightsholders will be more comfortable with the text-to-speech feature if they are in the driver's seat. Therefore, we are modifying our systems so that rightsholders can decide on a title by title basis whether they want text-to-speech enabled or disabled for any particular title. We have already begun to work on the technical changes required to give authors and publishers that choice. With this new level of control, publishers and authors will be able to decide for themselves whether it is in their commercial interests to leave text-to-speech enabled. We believe many will decide that it is. Customers tell us that with Kindle, they read more, and buy more books. We are passionate about bringing the benefits of modern technology to long-form reading. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net
Re: Second version of the lens case
Nice idea- The square parts on the screw caps look like the perfect place to keep desiccant. The flat end caps of the inner case would have to be perforated so air could circulate between the inner case and the desiccant. Cheers Mike On Mar 1, 2009, at 3:59 AM, Larry Colen wrote: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157614520437805/ There was some dicussion of my first prototype not being waterproof. The second version now has two cases, the inner shock resistant one, and an outer waterproof, or at least water resistant one. -- Photographs are like sentences, the best ones have both subjects and verbs. Larry Colen l...@red4est.comhttp:// www.red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: on paper (was: Re: Our Book and other book pictures)
In a message dated 3/1/2009 1:55:05 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, p...@web-options.com writes: That's not a benefit to me or the majority of readers. For visually-impaired people, yes, but that's not going to overturn the world of the book anymore than audiobooks has done, and they've been around a very long time now. Bob === When I said earlier people with reading problems would not be big buyers of readers, Kindle-type, someone else said later, sure it would help them. I had to think about why it wouldn't. The truth of the matter for someone who has reading problems, they need the words to stay on the page, not a lot of buttons. They need to be able to trace the letters with their fingers on the page, and go slow, not technology that implies go fast and faster. Can't explain it any better, but for someone who has to struggle with reading, a gadget will be a turn off, a hinderance, not a help. And there are a lot of people who struggle with reading. I, personally, don't enjoy reading on the computer, and I am a fast reader (a lot because it's backlit, and a lot because it is vertical). I do better laying my books down besides me or on my lap so I can read looking down. Sure, one could probably do that with a Kindle type-thing, but I still think it will probably be a hindrance to me, because I can't see it being a whole lot better than a computer. Because, on the Net, I don't really read all that much. I read bits and pieces, here and there, all over the place, and I scan. Scan, scan, scan, all the time. And that is NOT reading. So Ahem, Bob. Marnie :-) But I am the choir. - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. **You're invited to Hollywood's biggest party: Get Oscars updates, red carpet pics and more at Moviefone. (http://movies.aol.com/oscars-academy-awards?ncid=emlcntusmovi0001) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Remembering...
On Sat, 28 Feb 2009 03:29:27 EST, eactiv...@aol.com said: Part of my Mom at 90 series. (I think I've shown about 5-6 of these on list, I must have about 75-100, so I am pretty positive I have not shown this one). Naturally these cannot be reshot. At one point I tried props. I felt this was the best prop, but I wasn't totally sure it worked. http://www.mapphotography.com/PAWS/pages/remember.htm It works very well. Beautiful and slightly sad at the same time. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/ -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Or how I learned to stop worrying and love email again -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: flea market in winter
On Sun, 1 Mar 2009 03:56:50 +0100, Luka Knezevic-Strika lukastr...@gmail.com said: http://www.flickr.com/photos/tamoneki/3269934581/ pentax spotmatic, fuji pro 160s, zeiss 35 2.4 I like this a lot. That's what I call a dedicated merchant - looks like he/she is setting fire to any unsold product in an effort to keep warm. (and a Spotmatic, too! Must get mine out and run a film or two through it) Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/ -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Access your email from home and the web -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Fogbound and silenced
Very moody and nicely composed. I'll have to make myself get up early this winter and take some foggy shots. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/ On Fri, 27 Feb 2009 12:21:33 -0800, Tim Bray tb...@textuality.com said: We've had steady fog for days, which normally keeps the camera in the pocket. This is a 4-second (!) shot with the 50-135. Yes, it really was that colour: http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2009/01/16/Fog Also, I just discovered that all my mail-to-PDML has been going in the bit bucket; not sure why, but I may have accidentally had the formatted/plan-text toggle in the wrong position. This is an experiment to see if I am no longer like the voice of someone crying in the wilderness, weeping for her lost PDMLwords. -T -- -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Does exactly what it says on the tin -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: flea market in winter
thanks guys! it was -10 celsius and pretty surreal in itself :) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: on paper (was: Re: Our Book and other book pictures)
Bob, I think your argument is a little shortsighted. It's as if you assume that content creators will not adapt to the new medium of distribution. If the e-readers restrict themselves to being utilitarian only, you'd fail to grab the paper luddites and the aestethics geeks (aka iPhone diciples), but it's hardly a showstopper. A delaying factor, maybe, but not a showstopper. It took a couple of centuries from the inventions of the printing press until the first fiction novels got wide distribution. It took until the invention of cheap transport to get the news around. With electronic distribution, that cost comes down even further. What irks me, though, is that the internet relies on a rather fragile infrastructure. :-( Jostein 2009/3/1 Bob W p...@web-options.com: The mistake you're making, Mark, is thinking that reading a novel, or even a recipe book, is a utilitarian activity like getting from A to B. It isn't. Reading a classic book is like looking at a Rembrandt painting. There is a world of difference between looking at an original oil painting and looking at a reproduction, and it encompasses not just the act of looking, but also everything that goes around it, such as the gallery, the place, the people, the other pictures in that place, and many other factors. Reading a printed book is a similar experience and goes beyond the words themselves to encompass the book itself, your surroundings and so on. It's a long way from being utilitarian. If you (and more importantly the producers of e-readers) don't understand that then these devices are doomed to fail. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO: Hong Kong
Tim Bray wrote: 8 pix from HK; avoidance of photoclichés not entirely successful, but what a memorable place: http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2009/02/15/Hong-Kong -T Very nice shots, Tim. I really like escalators and the last two (harbour lights and market). -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: on paper
Mark Roberts wrote: Everything Bob Walkden said about the pleasures of books is and will continue to be true. It's also beside the point: It won't stop the advancement of electronic books any more than the pleasures of film stopped digital cameras. What will stop it is the lack of virtually free energy. When a set of AAs cost the equivalent of £200 at today's prices, what are you going to use them on? When your mains electricity is only on for a few hours each day, what are you going to have working? These are common situations for a goodly proportion of the planet at present. As a number of extrapolations of the present world situation indicate, there seems to be something like a 50% possibility of them arriving in your (our) neighbourhood in the nearish future, too. If that happens, printed material will be the preferred choice. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO: Hong Kong
Enjoyed the visit, Tim. Nicely done set! Jack --- On Sun, 3/1/09, Tim Bray tb...@textuality.com wrote: From: Tim Bray tb...@textuality.com Subject: GESO: Hong Kong To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Sunday, March 1, 2009, 12:36 AM 8 pix from HK; avoidance of photoclichés not entirely successful, but what a memorable place: http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2009/02/15/Hong-Kong -T -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DA* 55/1.4 vs 50/1.2
On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 1:36 AM, Thibouille pentaxl...@gmail.com wrote: Boris, this D155/1.4 isn't there nor designed to replace any standard 50mm lens. It is designed (and marketted) as a replacement for the FA*85, taking into account the crop factor. It is optimized for bokeh and portrait use which really isn't the intended job of our common 50mm. I agree however that a 35/1.2 or /1.4 is in need although the FA35 still does a very nice job AFAICT. And btw, the DA*55 is full frame ;) although SDM only. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille The fast ~35 is on the roadmap as a DA* 30/1.4 SDM. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: flea market in winter
hey, they had to get a bit warmer somehow :) spotmatic is a joy to look at, and of course, use. On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 12:40 PM, Brian Walters supera1...@fastmail.fm wrote: On Sun, 1 Mar 2009 03:56:50 +0100, Luka Knezevic-Strika lukastr...@gmail.com said: http://www.flickr.com/photos/tamoneki/3269934581/ pentax spotmatic, fuji pro 160s, zeiss 35 2.4 I like this a lot. That's what I call a dedicated merchant - looks like he/she is setting fire to any unsold product in an effort to keep warm. (and a Spotmatic, too! Must get mine out and run a film or two through it) Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/ -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Access your email from home and the web -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PDML PHOTO ANNUAL 2008-2009 Book Review TEASE
Cotty wrote: As everyone who has had their copy knows by now, the book is absolutely superb. The repro is excellent, the layouts first rate, the text just right. To finish off with the quotes is a stroke of genius. Well done the lads! I was really very impressed with it, and Godders is absolutely right - it will sit proudly on a shelf keeping company with Sieff, Ronis, Adams, Newman, Cartier-Bresson, Frank and others. The work inside, in my opinion, is not only of the highest standard - but actually quite important. An international collaboration on this scale is not something of any frequency, and I would seriously suggest that the mechanism be initiated to allow it to be entered into an official internationally recognised repository and catalogue system. Is this something Mr Roberts would look at? You just need to send a copy to a national library to be given an ISBN. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PDML PHOTO ANNUAL 2008-2009 Book Review TEASE
Cotty wrote: The book was awful, I've sent it back. Still waiting for the opportunity... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: on paper (was: Re: Our Book and other book pictures)
Bob W wrote: The printed book will long survive as an aesthetic object. Electronic books will replace it the way the horse replaced the automobile, for day-to-day, practical, utilitarian purposes. Reading a novel, getting a recipe, etc. The mistake you're making, Mark, is thinking that reading a novel, or even a recipe book, is a utilitarian activity like getting from A to B. It isn't. Reading a classic book is like looking at a Rembrandt painting. There is a world of difference between looking at an original oil painting and looking at a reproduction, and it encompasses not just the act of looking, but also everything that goes around it, such as the gallery, the place, the people, the other pictures in that place, and many other factors. Reading a printed book is a similar experience and goes beyond the words themselves to encompass the book itself, your surroundings and so on. It's a long way from being utilitarian. If you (and more importantly the producers of e-readers) don't understand that then these devices are doomed to fail. Difference of opinion, suppose. I find what you wrote above an insult to every author who ever wrote. I read for the words and ideas of the writer and I'm quite confident that's why authors want to be read. Of course *my* point of view might be an insult to the printers and bookbinders of the world! I still go with the writers, though... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Aussie Trinkets Mates...
Cotty wrote: On 1/3/09, eactiv...@aol.com, discombobulated, unleashed: I would think this sort of lens mutilation would be right up your alley. Mark! They're okay, but I like the heavy ribbing on the A*85 :-) I think I like the heavy ribbing on the A*85 is a better quote! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO: Hong Kong
Tim, Interesting story and nice photos. What is milk tea? Regards, Bob S. On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 2:36 AM, Tim Bray tb...@textuality.com wrote: 8 pix from HK; avoidance of photoclichés not entirely successful, but what a memorable place: http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2009/02/15/Hong-Kong -T -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Linguistic peeve: minty
On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 6:27 PM, Mark Roberts msrobert...@ysu.edu wrote: David J Brooks wrote: Then I guess I'm not most people then. You're the last one to figure that out, Dave :) Figure out what,:-) Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: on paper
Printed material read by the glow of burning whale blubber... what goes around comes around. stan On Mar 1, 2009, at 7:10 AM, mike wilson wrote: Mark Roberts wrote: Everything Bob Walkden said about the pleasures of books is and will continue to be true. It's also beside the point: It won't stop the advancement of electronic books any more than the pleasures of film stopped digital cameras. What will stop it is the lack of virtually free energy. When a set of AAs cost the equivalent of £200 at today's prices, what are you going to use them on? When your mains electricity is only on for a few hours each day, what are you going to have working? These are common situations for a goodly proportion of the planet at present. As a number of extrapolations of the present world situation indicate, there seems to be something like a 50% possibility of them arriving in your (our) neighbourhood in the nearish future, too. If that happens, printed material will be the preferred choice. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PDML PHOTO ANNUAL 2008-2009 Book Review TEASE
You can buy an ISBN @, e.g., http://www.isbn-us.com/isbnnumbers.htm?gclid=CLSojc38gZkCFSQMDQod5AwqnA and embed it into your print-file. But then the books need to be reloaded, and sample copies repurchased, and published links updated, etc. Probably a good idea for next years edition. stan On Mar 1, 2009, at 7:32 AM, mike wilson wrote: Cotty wrote: As everyone who has had their copy knows by now, the book is absolutely superb. The repro is excellent, the layouts first rate, the text just right. To finish off with the quotes is a stroke of genius. Well done the lads! I was really very impressed with it, and Godders is absolutely right - it will sit proudly on a shelf keeping company with Sieff, Ronis, Adams, Newman, Cartier-Bresson, Frank and others. The work inside, in my opinion, is not only of the highest standard - but actually quite important. An international collaboration on this scale is not something of any frequency, and I would seriously suggest that the mechanism be initiated to allow it to be entered into an official internationally recognised repository and catalogue system. Is this something Mr Roberts would look at? You just need to send a copy to a national library to be given an ISBN. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: on paper
The price of batteries is more likely to go down than up, given more and more competition in that field. What's more, devices like the Kindle draw very little power. As I mentioned earlier, the display is not illuminated and no power is required to sustain it. A small amount of power is used to turn pages. I don't see a long term shortage of main's power either. The rush to implement alternative sources has gained a full head of steam, with the government subsidizing research and startups. Wind farms and solar sources are multiplying like rabbits. Doomsday scenarios are politically correct these days, but they're largely hogwash. Paul On Mar 1, 2009, at 8:10 AM, mike wilson wrote: Mark Roberts wrote: Everything Bob Walkden said about the pleasures of books is and will continue to be true. It's also beside the point: It won't stop the advancement of electronic books any more than the pleasures of film stopped digital cameras. What will stop it is the lack of virtually free energy. When a set of AAs cost the equivalent of £200 at today's prices, what are you going to use them on? When your mains electricity is only on for a few hours each day, what are you going to have working? These are common situations for a goodly proportion of the planet at present. As a number of extrapolations of the present world situation indicate, there seems to be something like a 50% possibility of them arriving in your (our) neighbourhood in the nearish future, too. If that happens, printed material will be the preferred choice. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO: Cades Cove Church
The family and I went up to Gatlinburg Tennessee for a few days respite this month. It seems silly now that we've lived here so long and never made the four hour trip to see the Great Smoky Mountains National Park. Very pretty country up there.Here's a shot of a church in Cades Cove: http://cwaters.smugmug.com/gallery/7482073_ei6Gh#482822841_h79tU-A-LB It's a snapshot but it turned out pretty good, IMO. Cory -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Cades Cove Church
On 1/3/09, Cory Waters, discombobulated, unleashed: The family and I went up to Gatlinburg Tennessee for a few days respite this month. It seems silly now that we've lived here so long and never made the four hour trip to see the Great Smoky Mountains National Park. Very pretty country up there.Here's a shot of a church in Cades Cove: http://cwaters.smugmug.com/gallery/7482073_ei6Gh#482822841_h79tU-A-LB It's a snapshot but it turned out pretty good, IMO. Good job Ceeb. I like it. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PDML PHOTO ANNUAL 2008-2009 Book Review TEASE
Stan Halpin wrote: You can buy an ISBN @, e.g., http://www.isbn-us.com/isbnnumbers.htm?gclid=CLSojc38gZkCFSQMDQod5AwqnA and embed it into your print-file. But then the books need to be reloaded, and sample copies repurchased, and published links updated, etc. Probably a good idea for next years edition. Yes. I'm already planning on buying an ISBN for next year's book. Other changes for next year: Each photographer will be able to submit up to 3 images, *one* of which will be selected for inclusion in the book (the submission period will probably run a bit longer). I'm going to look into other online publishers as an alternative to Blurb. I don't like the limited page layout options in Blurb (though I'll probably create the book in In Design and export each page as a JPEG if we stick with Blurb). I also don't like the lack of detail in the sales information they give you. They claim it's to protect buyers' privacy, but Cafe Press gives you each buyer's name and the state/country they live in (and that would seem to be adequate to prevent stalking, to me!) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Cades Cove Church
I like the light, the lensing and the camera angle very much. I just wish you had a bit of space on the left of frame. But a nice shot overall. Paul On Mar 1, 2009, at 10:04 AM, Cory Waters wrote: The family and I went up to Gatlinburg Tennessee for a few days respite this month. It seems silly now that we've lived here so long and never made the four hour trip to see the Great Smoky Mountains National Park. Very pretty country up there.Here's a shot of a church in Cades Cove: http://cwaters.smugmug.com/gallery/7482073_ei6Gh#482822841_h79tU-A-LB It's a snapshot but it turned out pretty good, IMO. Cory -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: on paper
mike wilson wrote: What will stop it is the lack of virtually free energy. When a set of AAs cost the equivalent of £200 at today's prices, what are you going to use them on? When your mains electricity is only on for a few hours each day, what are you going to have working? By that time, the printing presses and the trucks to distribute books will be shut down. What really does stand a chance of stopping electronic books is the specter of DRM that Bill Robb and Adam Maas have pointed out. Publishers' greed, in other words. People have to be able to back up electronic books somehow, so that they can be confident that if they drop, break or otherwise incapacitate their reading device, they haven't lost the hundreds of books thay bought to store on it. The real Achilles Heel of the whole enterprise isn't technological it is, as usual human. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: on paper (was: Re: Our Book and other book pictures)
Difference of opinion, suppose. I find what you wrote above an insult to every author who ever wrote. I read for the words and ideas of the writer and I'm quite confident that's why authors want to be read. the text is obviously the most important aspect of reading, but every writer I've ever met has also been a reader and has been in love with books. Most of the great novelists have at some time in their career written about the joys of books in much the same terms that Marnie and I have been using. As an example, have a look at George Orwell's essays - they're full of descriptions of the physical properties of books, and his love for them. Here is a quote from one of his well-known essays Bookshop Memories in which he describes how working in a bookshop destroyed his love of books. But even reading this you can tell that he does still love them: There was a time when I really did love books - loved the sight and smell and feel of them, I mean, at least if they were fifty or more years old. Nothing pleased me quite so much as to buy a job lot of them for a shilling at a country auction. There is a peculiar flavour about the battered unexpected books you pick up in that kind of collection: minor eighteenth-century poets, out-of-date gazeteers, odd volumes of forgotten novels, bound numbers of ladies' magazines of the sixties. For casual reading - in your bath, for instance, or late at night when you are too tired to go to bed, or in the odd quarter of an hour before lunch - there is nothing to touch a back number of the Girl's Own Paper. But as soon as I went to work in the bookshop I stopped buying books. Seen in the mass, five or ten thousand at a time, books were boring and even slightly sickening. Nowadays I do buy one occasionally, but only if it is a book that I want to read and can't borrow, and I never buy junk. The sweet smell of decaying paper appeals to me no longer. It is too closely associated in my mind with paranoiac customers and dead bluebottles. That describes somewhat how I felt after working at the British Library for 18 months, but it goes away. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Cades Cove Church
Well chosen angle, Cory. Spot on exposure and upload. Jack --- On Sun, 3/1/09, Cory Waters cbwat...@bellsouth.net wrote: From: Cory Waters cbwat...@bellsouth.net Subject: PESO: Cades Cove Church To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Sunday, March 1, 2009, 7:04 AM The family and I went up to Gatlinburg Tennessee for a few days respite this month. It seems silly now that we've lived here so long and never made the four hour trip to see the Great Smoky Mountains National Park. Very pretty country up there.Here's a shot of a church in Cades Cove: http://cwaters.smugmug.com/gallery/7482073_ei6Gh#482822841_h79tU-A-LB It's a snapshot but it turned out pretty good, IMO. Cory -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: on paper
Bob W wrote: Difference of opinion, suppose. I find what you wrote above an insult to every author who ever wrote. I read for the words and ideas of the writer and I'm quite confident that's why authors want to be read. the text is obviously the most important aspect of reading, but every writer I've ever met has also been a reader and has been in love with books. Most of the great novelists have at some time in their career written about the joys of books in much the same terms that Marnie and I have been using. Yes, but it's entirely separate from, and secondary to, the *writing*. Neither you nor George Orwell would buy Danielle Steele novels no matter how magnificent the paper, printing and binding. And you would still love George Orwell's writing if it were only available in cheap paperback form. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Interesting Pentax discovery
Someone on the DP Review Pentax forum discovered a German web page about the Olympus E-620 in which the webmaster made an error: He accidentally inserted a photo of a Pentax camera in one spot. Only it's not any Pentax currently in production, it's an EVF (electronic viewfinder) camera: http://www.colorfoto.de/News/E-620-Neue-Mittelklasse_5267064.html 4th photo down. Click to enlarge and note the EVF/LCD selector button at upper left. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: on paper (was: Re: Our Book and other book pictures)
On Sun, 1 Mar 2009 15:19:52 - Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: books. Most of the great novelists have at some time in their career written about the joys of books in much the same terms that Marnie and I have been using. Bob, have you read Jeremy Mercer's memoir, Time was soft there? it's, more or less, about living as a 'bum' in the legendary shakespeare co in paris. not read it yet but comes highly recommended from a friend and i have a feeling you'll love it (assuming you haven't read it). regards, subash -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: on paper
What really does stand a chance of stopping electronic books is the specter of DRM that Bill Robb and Adam Maas have pointed out. Publishers' greed, in other words. People have to be able to back up electronic books somehow, so that they can be confident that if they drop, break or otherwise incapacitate their reading device, they haven't lost the hundreds of books thay bought to store on it. The real Achilles Heel of the whole enterprise isn't technological it is, as usual human. Of course it's human - that's who reads books - but the Achilles heel is that they are trying to create a market which doesn't exist. The whole enterprise is about greed. It has nothing to do with what the customer wants, and all to do with the producers trying to reduce their costs and push this nonsense onto people. They will try to convince people that there is a need for these things where no need exists - that's why the world has admen, who can make themselves believe anything without evidence. Throughout this discussion I have asked people to point out the benefits of these devices to readers, but nobody has been able to do so. The people trying to push this stuff simply do not understand the psychology of reading. Whatever the supposed benefits are for readers I'll bet you my entire collection of Spinoza 1st editions that I can outweigh them with the disadvantages, and with the advantages of traditional books. My guess is that the gadget-lovers who've bought these things will be enthusiastic about them for a few weeks, buy a few e-books, then move on to the next gadget, leaving their Kindles to gather dust under their bed, next to the bread-making machine and the exercise bike and last year's useless piece of shit from Sony. And lest you think I'm a complete Luddite, I should point out that I do have an e-book reader. On my mobile phone / PDA I have a copy of some software called Mobi Pocket, and I have 3 ebooks - an English dicitionary and 2 volumes of a French-English dictionary, because it's convenient to have them with me when I'm travelling. I also have the printed versions of each volume. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: on paper
the text is obviously the most important aspect of reading, but every writer I've ever met has also been a reader and has been in love with books. Most of the great novelists have at some time in their career written about the joys of books in much the same terms that Marnie and I have been using. Yes, but it's entirely separate from, and secondary to, the *writing*. Sure, but ebooks are about reading and readers, not about writing, so I don't get your point. Neither you nor George Orwell would buy Danielle Steele novels no matter how magnificent the paper, printing and binding. You may have stumbled up on my guilty secret! And you would still love George Orwell's writing if it were only available in cheap paperback form. That's how I first read it. But even cheap paperbacks are part of the ritual of browsing, choosing and reading, and it's this ritual associated with being a reader that the Kindles (and you, as far as I can tell) don't seem to understand. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: on paper (was: Re: Our Book and other book pictures)
books. Most of the great novelists have at some time in their career written about the joys of books in much the same terms that Marnie and I have been using. Bob, have you read Jeremy Mercer's memoir, Time was soft there? it's, more or less, about living as a 'bum' in the legendary shakespeare co in paris. not read it yet but comes highly recommended from a friend and i have a feeling you'll love it (assuming you haven't read it). regards, subash Thanks - I'll have a look. I went to Shakespeare Co a few weeks ago when I was in Paris. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: on paper (was: Re: Our Book and other book pictures)
On Sun, Mar 01, 2009 at 09:54:03AM -, Bob W scripsit: That last sentence is completely vacuous. 'Bringing the benefits...'. Alright, what are they? Well, there's: - annotation (including bookmarks that can't fall out) - search (where was? is this a Shakespeare quote?) - ease of purchase (anywhere with a net connection), - speed of distribution (Hot New Book becomes available; three minutes later, you have a copy, potentially *automatically* you have a copy; consider what fraction of Harry Potter fans would have turned that down for books six and seven...) - variability of presentation (what's _your_ favourite font, font size, leading, and initial capital style?) - ancillary material, including hypertext (a zoomable Baggins family tree with hot links, say, or the essays on where Forrester departed from actual history; because the printing cost is close to fixed, extra material doesn't cost more paper, so it becomes a way to attract readers, rather than an expense to be ruthlessly suppressed.) - compactness (reader with one book and reader with one thousand books is the same size thing to carry) - lightness (current out soon reader designs are around 200 grammes. They stay that size even when the content includes massive reference tomes for work, the complete works of William Shakespeare, all 22 Aubrey and Maturin novels, and what would have been four shelf feet of penny dreadfuls courtesy of Project Gutenberg.) - backups; if the heavily annotated professional copy of something gets lost with your luggage, you still have it because the backup didn't travel. - cost per book *ought* to be a benefit, too (the material costs drop by an order of magnitude), but I wouldn't bet on seeing that one quickly. - paper is better than screens right now for shipped devices, legibility wise; that's not true for the lab bench stuff, so it won't be true for shipped devices in five years or so at the outside. There remains nothing at all that says you can't get a tactilely pleasant leather cover for the ebook reader, either. -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Interesting Pentax discovery
Mark Roberts wrote: Someone on the DP Review Pentax forum discovered a German web page about the Olympus E-620 in which the webmaster made an error: He accidentally inserted a photo of a Pentax camera in one spot. Only it's not any Pentax currently in production, it's an EVF (electronic viewfinder) camera: http://www.colorfoto.de/News/E-620-Neue-Mittelklasse_5267064.html 4th photo down. Click to enlarge and note the EVF/LCD selector button at upper left. Cool! Looks a little narrower than the K-m/K2000 profile too. No hot-shoe? The one prediction that I'm going to make about PMA'09 is that it's going to be *much* more interesting than any of the bloggers believe. -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Interesting Pentax discovery
Most probably and according other rumours: * bridge camera * no exchangeable lens * 22 or 24x zoom * no hotshoe * 12Mp * small sensor If you don't like bridge cameras... go back to what you were doing 5 minutes before ;) -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Interesting Pentax discovery
Oh direct link to the picture of the camera: http://www.colorfoto.de/News/28068643_900eb5ab53.jpg On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 4:53 PM, Thibouille pentaxl...@gmail.com wrote: Most probably and according other rumours: * bridge camera * no exchangeable lens * 22 or 24x zoom * no hotshoe * 12Mp * small sensor If you don't like bridge cameras... go back to what you were doing 5 minutes before ;) -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Interesting Pentax discovery
On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 10:53 AM, Thibouille pentaxl...@gmail.com wrote: Most probably and according other rumours: * bridge camera * no exchangeable lens * 22 or 24x zoom * no hotshoe * 12Mp * small sensor If you don't like bridge cameras... go back to what you were doing 5 minutes before ;) -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille Maybe. And it's lacking a flip-out LCD (which is a mistake in an EVF camera). -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DA* 55/1.4 vs 50/1.2
On Sun, Mar 01, 2009 at 01:09:02AM -0500, Fernando scripsit: [snip] don't know how large can be the group of Pentax users that need this lens and that haven't already bought an alternative; I would expect they want K-m owners who want to take really good pictures of their kids/family to have a weather proof optimized for portraits lens they can buy. Pentax *really needs* new users, after all; either that or to make their existing users immortal, and that's a harder problem. I would've preferred them to get out that 30 prime that is in the roadmap, and I know most people want it to be a fast lens, but I prefer a pancake (we have the 31 already for speed). The DA coatings are better, though. This is actually quite obvious comparing the same flowers with FA 31 and DA 35; the FA 31 has a very distinct mood, but the DA 35 is doing much better on the high blues and the purples and the depth in the green tones. So I expect that a 31 replacement is going to be preferred by Pentax in terms of the best lens we can build. -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DA* 55/1.4 vs 50/1.2
- Original Message - From: Graydon Subject: Re: DA* 55/1.4 vs 50/1.2 So I expect that a 31 replacement is going to be preferred by Pentax in terms of the best lens we can build. Now if we can only talk them into building a camera in the same terms. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: on paper (anti-TN rant)
I challenge you to do the same test, on the same print, twice. Leave a couple of hours between each test, and change which eye goes first. The result may surprise you. :-) Jostein 2009/3/1 Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com: As a test of the prints being the same to all viewers, I have a test for all of you to try. In good light, hold a sheet of white paper at book length in front of you. Look at it with one eye only, then the other. Don't touch the eye you cover up - best to have someone else cover them, one at a time. In a great majority of the population (I do not know the number) the color of the sheet of paper will be different in each eye. Not much, but you will be able to tell. Add to that the fact that all eyes have some slight or major difference in how they see (or your brain perceives) color. Print, CRT, LCD. It's pretty. It's bold. It's cold... All are perceptions. None are right. In my (right is always slightly warmer than left) personal opinion. On Feb 28, 2009, at 13:09 , AlunFoto wrote: With respect for your on-screen workflow, Bruce, a print will look the _same_ to all viewers, not necessarily _right_... :-) Just consider all the worries that were tossed onto the list while we waited for the Annual. Joseph McAllister Lots of gear, not much time http://gallery.me.com/jomac http://web.me.com/jomac/show.me/Blog/Blog.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: on paper
On Mar 1, 2009, at 10:41 AM, Bob W wrote: What really does stand a chance of stopping electronic books is the specter of DRM that Bill Robb and Adam Maas have pointed out. Publishers' greed, in other words. People have to be able to back up electronic books somehow, so that they can be confident that if they drop, break or otherwise incapacitate their reading device, they haven't lost the hundreds of books thay bought to store on it. The real Achilles Heel of the whole enterprise isn't technological it is, as usual human. Of course it's human - that's who reads books - but the Achilles heel is that they are trying to create a market which doesn't exist. Is that why Kindle sales have doubled in the last couple of months? The whole enterprise is about greed. It has nothing to do with what the customer wants, and all to do with the producers trying to reduce their costs and push this nonsense onto people. It has to do with making books available at a cost people can afford. Publishers can't continue down the traditional path. It isn't working. They're disappearing every day as the cost of producing paper books continues to expand, and consumers continue to demonstrate that they're not willing to pay higher prices. Hardcover books are already almost a thing of the past, other than for those with special interests and library collections. I include myself in that category, but there aren't enough of us to support publication on a wide scale. They will try to convince people that there is a need for these things where no need exists - that's why the world has admen, who can make themselves believe anything without evidence. There is abundant evidence of a need for inexpensive reading devices that can be used over and over again. And that need is gradually being met. Throughout this discussion I have asked people to point out the benefits of these devices to readers, but nobody has been able to do so. Ultimately inexpensive. Quite affordable now for avid readers. Space saving. Crisp, clean displays that are not backlit in any way. Capable of providing audio for impaired readers. And they provide a path to publication for the thousands of good authors who can no longer find publishers willing to invest in new literary fiction. The people trying to push this stuff simply do not understand the psychology of reading. Whatever the supposed benefits are for readers I'll bet you my entire collection of Spinoza 1st editions that I can outweigh them with the disadvantages, and with the advantages of traditional books. My guess is that the gadget-lovers who've bought these things will be enthusiastic about them for a few weeks, buy a few e-books, then move on to the next gadget, leaving their Kindles to gather dust under their bed, next to the bread-making machine and the exercise bike and last year's useless piece of shit from Sony. And lest you think I'm a complete Luddite, I should point out that I do have an e-book reader. On my mobile phone / PDA I have a copy of some software called Mobi Pocket, and I have 3 ebooks - an English dicitionary and 2 volumes of a French-English dictionary, because it's convenient to have them with me when I'm travelling. I also have the printed versions of each volume. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Interesting Pentax discovery
On Mar 1, 2009, at 10:52 AM, Bruce Walker wrote: Mark Roberts wrote: Someone on the DP Review Pentax forum discovered a German web page about the Olympus E-620 in which the webmaster made an error: He accidentally inserted a photo of a Pentax camera in one spot. Only it's not any Pentax currently in production, it's an EVF (electronic viewfinder) camera: http://www.colorfoto.de/News/E-620-Neue-Mittelklasse_5267064.html 4th photo down. Click to enlarge and note the EVF/LCD selector button at upper left. Cool! Looks a little narrower than the K-m/K2000 profile too. No hot-shoe? The one prediction that I'm going to make about PMA'09 is that it's going to be *much* more interesting than any of the bloggers believe. Either that or the PhotoShop boys are having some fun. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: on paper (was: Re: Our Book and other book pictures)
On Sun, Mar 01, 2009 at 09:54:03AM -, Bob W scripsit: That last sentence is completely vacuous. 'Bringing the benefits...'. Alright, what are they? Well, there's: - annotation (including bookmarks that can't fall out) nothing that conventional books don't have already, and do better and more easily. If and when ebooks become better at this than conventional books, it won't be enough on it's own to bring about the end of conventional books - search (where was? is this a Shakespeare quote?) I can search with any internet device. I don't need a crippled, single-purpose device when I already have a general purpose device. - ease of purchase (anywhere with a net connection), books are already easy to purchase, even over the net - speed of distribution (Hot New Book becomes available; three minutes later, you have a copy, potentially *automatically* you have a copy; irrelevant to me and probably most other booklovers. We like browsing bookshops and we don't have to wait as long as 3 minutes to pick a book off the shelf. consider what fraction of Harry Potter fans would have turned that down for books six and seven...) I thought about the Harry Potter phenomenon in this respect last night, and although a large number of children would have downloaded it immediately, much of the fun of those events (and I was part of them with a couple of children) was in staying up till midnight, the excitement of being with other children waiting, and the triumph of at last having the book itself in their hands, ready to start reading. I seriously doubt that a Kindle could kindle that kind of experience for the kinderlings and their kin. - variability of presentation (what's _your_ favourite font, font size, leading, and initial capital style?) irrelevant. Who's clamouring for that? No-one? - ancillary material, including hypertext (a zoomable Baggins family tree with hot links, say, or the essays on where Forrester departed from actual history; because the printing cost is close to fixed, extra material doesn't cost more paper, so it becomes a way to attract readers, rather than an expense to be ruthlessly suppressed.) - compactness (reader with one book and reader with one thousand books is the same size thing to carry) irrelevant. People don't want to carry all their books with them, but booklovers like to be surrounded by books. - lightness (current out soon reader designs are around 200 grammes. They stay that size even when the content includes massive reference tomes for work, the complete works of William Shakespeare, all 22 Aubrey and Maturin novels, and what would have been four shelf feet of penny dreadfuls courtesy of Project Gutenberg.) irrelevant. People don't carry books like that around with them, and book lovers like to be surrounded by their reference works, complete works of Shakey co. - backups; if the heavily annotated professional copy of something gets lost with your luggage, you still have it because the backup didn't travel. As long as you have backups. Not enough of a benefit to make me buy one. I have never lost anything that important because I don't put it at that kind of risk. - cost per book *ought* to be a benefit, too (the material costs drop by an order of magnitude), but I wouldn't bet on seeing that one quickly. irrelevant anyway. Book lovers love books and the rituals that surround them as part of the experience of reading. I would rather pay £30- for a good edition of Candide than pay £1- to read it on an ebook (which costs £250-). - paper is better than screens right now for shipped devices, legibility wise; that's not true for the lab bench stuff, so it won't be true for shipped devices in five years or so at the outside. there is no problem with the current legibility of conventional books. Who is clamouring for books to be made more legible? No-one. It's a made-up 'benefit' posing as a solution to a problem that doesn't exist. There remains nothing at all that says you can't get a tactilely pleasant leather cover for the ebook reader, either. That's not a benefit, that's a poor attempt to make up for a shortcoming. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: the newspaper (was Re: on paper (was: Re: Our Book and other book pictures))
From: Adam Maas cagu...@earthlink.net wrote: For the most part, I agree with Adam's comments (gosh, I hope it's Adam I'm agreeing with :-)). ?There are a lot more factors than the internet that contributed to the decline of newspapers/magazines: ?1) circulation among newspapers magazines was beginning to decline before the internet; 2) the career tracks business models greatly changed. ?In the old days, business editorial were 2 separate departments with a palpable tension between the two. ?Now, the lines are blurred--the career paths crossover in ways they didn't used to business/marketing influences editorial in degrees that you wouldn't have seen in the past, and I think this has led to weak journalism and hence a weak newspaper or magazine-- corporate mergers/takeovers have obviously made it more difficult to produce quality journalism because of gradually reduced budgets for both print and photo journalists (read downsizing/restructuring for bigger profits.). ?A few days ago, I learned from a colleague that Northwestern University here in Evanston, Il has changed the name of their journalism program; it's now called something like Journalism and Integrated Marketing Communications. ?When I heard this, it reminded me of the time I was working in advertising and was in a meeting with a magazine rep who was telling us about Banner Ads above traditional magazine departments and columns. ?I turned to a colleague and said, well, here begins the erosion ?of ?editorial. I find this all really sad. ?There was a time when the educated/middle/working class would challenge and object to maneuvers made by corporate-culture models. ?Not anymore it seems: instead of challenging corporate-culture models, accommodations are made to just--well, just go long. ? ?3) Getting folks to start paying for online newspaper subscriptions will be really hard--and the industry knows this-- they are not sure what to do about it. Cheers, Christine Yep, it's me you're agreeing with, and I agree with your statements as well, with one exception. The educated/middle/working class didn't decide to go along with the corporate culture models, they decided to tune out instead and get their news elsewhere. Captive audiences can only influence content when they're captive and for newspapers, the audience that was once captive (those who wanted more than soundbites more often than weekly) quit being captive and simply left newspapers behind for the most part. I no longer subscribe to my local newspaper, The News and Observer, although I do still occasionally read it ... crossword funny papers anyway. For many years my great joy on a rainy Sunday morning like today would be to sit in some cafe with a cup of coffee, read the newspaper (and I mean read from page 1 to the bitter end of the advertising inserts) and watch the world go by. A quote from the will of Josephus Daniels, editor and publisher 1894 - 1948, used to be prominently featured at the top of the editorial page: I advise and enjoin those who direct the paper in the tomorrows never to advocate any cause for personal profit or preferment. I would wish it always to be 'the tocsin' and devote itself to the policies of equality and justice to the underprivileged. If the paper should at any time be the voice of self-interest or become the spokesman of privilege or selfishness it would be untrue to its history. The paper may still publish that quote somewhere; I had to search out an old issue I'd saved from years ago to find it Some time along the line, after the Daniels family sold the newspaper, they *HAVE* become the voice of self-interest and spokesman of privilege or selfishness. The paper puts McClatchey Corporation interests ahead of the reader's interest. And as such, is no longer deserving my interest. I do read other newspapers on-line and have paid for that access. I'd pay in the future if need be, although the subscription models they've used appear to have failed and they no longer ask me for payment. OTOH, an on-line newspaper is completely useless for wrapping fish. Think I'll go get that cup of coffee. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: the newspaper (was Re: on paper (was: Re: Our Book and other book pictures))
Time to shut off my computer, and sit down with the Sunday Times. Paul On Mar 1, 2009, at 11:21 AM, John Sessoms wrote: From: Adam Maas cagu...@earthlink.net wrote: For the most part, I agree with Adam's comments (gosh, I hope it's Adam I'm agreeing with :-)). ?There are a lot more factors than the internet that contributed to the decline of newspapers/magazines: ?1) circulation among newspapers magazines was beginning to decline before the internet; 2) the career tracks business models greatly changed. ?In the old days, business editorial were 2 separate departments with a palpable tension between the two. ?Now, the lines are blurred--the career paths crossover in ways they didn't used to business/marketing influences editorial in degrees that you wouldn't have seen in the past, and I think this has led to weak journalism and hence a weak newspaper or magazine-- corporate mergers/ takeovers have obviously made it more difficult to produce quality journalism because of gradually reduced budgets for both print and photo journalists (read downsizing/restructuring for bigger profits.). ?A few days ago, I learned from a colleague that Northwestern University here in Evanston, Il has changed the name of their journalism program; it's now called something like Journalism and Integrated Marketing Communications. ?When I heard this, it reminded me of the time I was working in advertising and was in a meeting with a magazine rep who was telling us about Banner Ads above traditional magazine departments and columns. ?I turned to a colleague and said, well, here begins the erosion ?of ?editorial. I find this all really sad. ?There was a time when the educated/middle/working class would challenge and object to maneuvers made by corporate-culture models. ?Not anymore it seems: instead of challenging corporate-culture models, accommodations are made to just--well, just go long. ? ?3) Getting folks to start paying for online newspaper subscriptions will be really hard--and the industry knows this-- they are not sure what to do about it. Cheers, Christine Yep, it's me you're agreeing with, and I agree with your statements as well, with one exception. The educated/middle/working class didn't decide to go along with the corporate culture models, they decided to tune out instead and get their news elsewhere. Captive audiences can only influence content when they're captive and for newspapers, the audience that was once captive (those who wanted more than soundbites more often than weekly) quit being captive and simply left newspapers behind for the most part. I no longer subscribe to my local newspaper, The News and Observer, although I do still occasionally read it ... crossword funny papers anyway. For many years my great joy on a rainy Sunday morning like today would be to sit in some cafe with a cup of coffee, read the newspaper (and I mean read from page 1 to the bitter end of the advertising inserts) and watch the world go by. A quote from the will of Josephus Daniels, editor and publisher 1894 - 1948, used to be prominently featured at the top of the editorial page: I advise and enjoin those who direct the paper in the tomorrows never to advocate any cause for personal profit or preferment. I would wish it always to be 'the tocsin' and devote itself to the policies of equality and justice to the underprivileged. If the paper should at any time be the voice of self-interest or become the spokesman of privilege or selfishness it would be untrue to its history. The paper may still publish that quote somewhere; I had to search out an old issue I'd saved from years ago to find it Some time along the line, after the Daniels family sold the newspaper, they *HAVE* become the voice of self-interest and spokesman of privilege or selfishness. The paper puts McClatchey Corporation interests ahead of the reader's interest. And as such, is no longer deserving my interest. I do read other newspapers on-line and have paid for that access. I'd pay in the future if need be, although the subscription models they've used appear to have failed and they no longer ask me for payment. OTOH, an on-line newspaper is completely useless for wrapping fish. Think I'll go get that cup of coffee. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Second version of the lens case
On Sun, Mar 01, 2009 at 12:59:30AM -0800, Larry Colen scripsit: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157614520437805/ There was some dicussion of my first prototype not being waterproof. The second version now has two cases, the inner shock resistant one, and an outer waterproof, or at least water resistant one. But, so far as I can tell from the photos, no cushioning between the lenses; drop that case on its end and the lenses will play bumper cars. It once took me half an hour and resort to channel lock pliers to separate the cap from a pen (both cap and pen body being made of brass) I'd dropped perfectly on end; I'd be scared of what might happen to the bottom lens in a stack like that. -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Cades Cove Church
Good one. Nice colour, exposure and shadows are good. Dave On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Cory Waters cbwat...@bellsouth.net wrote: The family and I went up to Gatlinburg Tennessee for a few days respite this month. It seems silly now that we've lived here so long and never made the four hour trip to see the Great Smoky Mountains National Park. Very pretty country up there.Here's a shot of a church in Cades Cove: http://cwaters.smugmug.com/gallery/7482073_ei6Gh#482822841_h79tU-A-LB It's a snapshot but it turned out pretty good, IMO. Cory -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Aussie Trinkets Mates...
eactiv...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 2/28/2009 10:51:51 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, pentax...@mac.com writes: Just ran across these must have trinkets on FaceBook http://www.oyemodern.com/designers/re-vision/ Maybe we could commission a PDML exclusive? Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com === Heheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheh. I must admit it took me a minute to even figure out what they are. Well now I know what happens when people down under buy broken lenses for parts... (ann digs out broken tamron lens from the stuff I just can't throw away drawer) ann How appropriate. LOL. Marnie aka Doe - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. **You're invited to Hollywood's biggest party: Get Oscars updates, red carpet pics and more at Moviefone. (http://movies.aol.com/oscars-academy-awards?ncid=emlcntusmovi0001) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: on paper
Is that why Kindle sales have doubled in the last couple of months? Doubled from 1 to 2, from 100 million to 200 million? Telling me sales have doubled doesn't tell me anything. It has to do with making books available at a cost people can afford. Publishers can't continue down the traditional path. It isn't working. They're disappearing every day as the cost of producing paper books continues to expand, and consumers continue to demonstrate that they're not willing to pay higher prices. Hardcover books are already almost a thing of the past, other than for those with special interests and library collections. I include myself in that category, but there aren't enough of us to support publication on a wide scale. The market over here seems to be thriving. I've been in 2 bookshops today, both full and both with several cash registers open and ringing. They will try to convince people that there is a need for these things where no need exists - that's why the world has admen, who can make themselves believe anything without evidence. There is abundant evidence of a need for inexpensive reading devices that can be used over and over again. And that need is gradually being met. Where's the evidence? Throughout this discussion I have asked people to point out the benefits of these devices to readers, but nobody has been able to do so. Ultimately inexpensive. Quite affordable now for avid readers. Space saving. Crisp, clean displays that are not backlit in any way. Capable of providing audio for impaired readers. I answered that one elsewhere. And they provide a path to publication for the thousands of good authors who can no longer find publishers willing to invest in new literary fiction. I'm all in favour of giving good authors an outlet, but I think print-on-demand is more likely to satisfy that than Kindles, because whatever you say, I still maintain that most readers want to read proper books, because there is a ritual that's part of the whole experience. Food pills used to be touted as the thing of the future, replacing messy kitchens and recipes that go wrong etc. With hindsight it's obviously silly because it doesn't take into account the ritual associated with food, but at the time a lot of people just like you thought we'd all be eating 3 pills a day and hovering around with jet packs. These Kindles are the book equivalent of food pills and high energy plankton such as Soylent Green. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: on paper
- Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist Subject: Re: on paper Is that why Kindle sales have doubled in the last couple of months? Thats like asking if the North American propensity toward obesity is being cured by the raft of fitness equipment sales that seems to keep increasing, or if we are becoming better drivers because we keep buying more automobiles. I really don't think you can equate an initial spate of sales into a successful market. Have this conversation again in a year or two and see if these devices are still being used in a big way. We like our toys, but whether we use them or not is really at the heart of the matter. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: on paper
- Original Message - From: Bob W Subject: RE: on paper Is that why Kindle sales have doubled in the last couple of months? Doubled from 1 to 2, from 100 million to 200 million? Telling me sales have doubled doesn't tell me anything. But it makes great ad speak, no? William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: on paper
Bob W wrote: the text is obviously the most important aspect of reading, but every writer I've ever met has also been a reader and has been in love with books. Most of the great novelists have at some time in their career written about the joys of books in much the same terms that Marnie and I have been using. Yes, but it's entirely separate from, and secondary to, the *writing*. Sure, but ebooks are about reading and readers, not about writing, so I don't get your point. Well, without people doing the reading there's no point in anyone doing the writing: Reading and writing are intimately connected. Neither you nor George Orwell would buy Danielle Steele novels no matter how magnificent the paper, printing and binding. You may have stumbled up on my guilty secret! And you would still love George Orwell's writing if it were only available in cheap paperback form. That's how I first read it. But even cheap paperbacks are part of the ritual of browsing, choosing and reading, and it's this ritual associated with being a reader that the Kindles (and you, as far as I can tell) don't seem to understand. Ironically, it's the cheap paperbacks that will be the major casualty of the coming e-book revolution. The high quality printed books that you and I love *won't* be. (Though they'll get more expensive.) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Cades Cove Church
Cory, Nice shot, great color between the sky and church. You're so close to the Park that you should go more often. Too many roads are closed in winter. Regards, Bob S. On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 9:04 AM, Cory Waters cbwat...@bellsouth.net wrote: The family and I went up to Gatlinburg Tennessee for a few days respite this month. It seems silly now that we've lived here so long and never made the four hour trip to see the Great Smoky Mountains National Park. Very pretty country up there.Here's a shot of a church in Cades Cove: http://cwaters.smugmug.com/gallery/7482073_ei6Gh#482822841_h79tU-A-LB It's a snapshot but it turned out pretty good, IMO. Cory -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Interesting Pentax discovery
Thibouille wrote: Most probably and according other rumours: * bridge camera * no exchangeable lens * 22 or 24x zoom * no hotshoe * 12Mp * small sensor Sounds about right. Pity, though. It could have been nice :) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Interesting Pentax discovery
On 1/3/09, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: http://www.colorfoto.de/News/E-620-Neue-Mittelklasse_5267064.html 4th photo down. Click to enlarge and note the EVF/LCD selector button at upper left. It's an articulated screen - looks like a hinge at left :-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PDML PHOTO ANNUAL 2008-2009 Book Review TEASE
mike wilson wrote: Cotty wrote: As everyone who has had their copy knows by now, the book is absolutely superb. The repro is excellent, the layouts first rate, the text just right. To finish off with the quotes is a stroke of genius. Well done the lads! I was really very impressed with it, and Godders is absolutely right - it will sit proudly on a shelf keeping company with Sieff, Ronis, Adams, Newman, Cartier-Bresson, Frank and others. The work inside, in my opinion, is not only of the highest standard - but actually quite important. An international collaboration on this scale is not something of any frequency, and I would seriously suggest that the mechanism be initiated to allow it to be entered into an official internationally recognised repository and catalogue system. Is this something Mr Roberts would look at? You just need to send a copy to a national library to be given an ISBN. on lulu, you have to pay $50 to get it put on your book (but thats USA) ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Interesting Pentax discovery
On 1/3/09, Cotty, discombobulated, unleashed: It's an articulated screen - looks like a hinge at left :-) Oops - looks more like a media card door now that I look properly :-/ -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: on paper
On 1/3/09, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: The whole enterprise is about greed. Rubbish. It's about exploring strange new worlds and new civilisations. It's about going where no-one has gone before :-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Aussie Trinkets Mates...
Mark Roberts wrote: Cotty wrote: On 1/3/09, eactiv...@aol.com, discombobulated, unleashed: I would think this sort of lens mutilation would be right up your alley. Mark! They're okay, but I like the heavy ribbing on the A*85 :-) I think I like the heavy ribbing on the A*85 is a better quote! I can see it on a mug now ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Interesting Pentax discovery
- Original Message - From: Cotty Subject: Re: Interesting Pentax discovery On 1/3/09, Cotty, discombobulated, unleashed: It's an articulated screen - looks like a hinge at left :-) Oops - looks more like a media card door now that I look properly :-/ Maybe it has those fancy Euro style hinges. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Cades Cove Church
Cory Waters wrote: The family and I went up to Gatlinburg Tennessee for a few days respite this month. It seems silly now that we've lived here so long and never made the four hour trip to see the Great Smoky Mountains National Park. Very pretty country up there.Here's a shot of a church in Cades Cove: http://cwaters.smugmug.com/gallery/7482073_ei6Gh#482822841_h79tU-A-LB It's a snapshot but it turned out pretty good, IMO. Cory It's a postcard :-)a -nice_ postcard... I browsed that whole album and enjoyed it -- wishing I was there , like, NOW Where did you stay? I really love this shot - the scenics are nice, but this one has heart and lovely light. http://cwaters.smugmug.com/gallery/7482073_ei6Gh#482823138_6Beha-A-LB ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PDML PHOTO ANNUAL 2008-2009 Book Review TEASE
Mark Roberts wrote: Stan Halpin wrote: You can buy an ISBN @, e.g., http://www.isbn-us.com/isbnnumbers.htm?gclid=CLSojc38gZkCFSQMDQod5AwqnA and embed it into your print-file. But then the books need to be reloaded, and sample copies repurchased, and published links updated, etc. Probably a good idea for next years edition. Yes. I'm already planning on buying an ISBN for next year's book. Other changes for next year: Each photographer will be able to submit up to 3 images, *one* of which will be selected for inclusion in the book (the submission period will probably run a bit longer). I'm going to look into other online publishers as an alternative to Blurb. I don't like the limited page layout options in Blurb (though I'll probably create the book in In Design and export each page as a JPEG if we stick with Blurb). When I did SIGNS GONE BY each page was a jpg file... it isn't printed as well as it looks like PDML book is - complicated reasons why... I don't know if LULU's new improved photo book stuff is any better in terms of putting things together - I used an older form and at least it came out the way I intended in form... but you might check into it... (unless you had and rejected them already) I also don't like the lack of detail in the sales information they give you. They claim it's to protect buyers' privacy, but Cafe Press gives you each buyer's name and the state/country they live in (and that would seem to be adequate to prevent stalking, to me!) well on that score, lulu is even worse... I like cafe press's info, too... ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DA* 55/1.4 vs 50/1.2
On Sun, Mar 01, 2009 at 10:05:50AM -0600, William Robb scripsit: - Original Message - From: Graydon Subject: Re: DA* 55/1.4 vs 50/1.2 So I expect that a 31 replacement is going to be preferred by Pentax in terms of the best lens we can build. Now if we can only talk them into building a camera in the same terms. Well, it's really best lens we can afford to build or best camera we can afford to build; I strongly suspect the K10D was a serious gamble in that respect. There's also the problem that cameras are now consumer electronic devices; total product lifetimes around 18 months. The engineering cultural change to deal with that is a drastic thing to get through, and not every organization that attempts this manages to do so. (Just the increase in parts count can kill you.) If total worldwide sales of the K10D and K20D are, oh, 100,000, Pentax can expect to sell about 15,000 KxDs; that, whatever the real numbers are, may simply not be enough. One interpretation of their effort to expand their customer base generally arises from this; they don't have one that's large enough for the best camera they can afford to build to be any much better than the K20D, and they want to change that. I am nearly certain I would prefer the Pentax take on that best camera to the Samsung take on it, but I am also quite sure that Samsung already knows how to do the consumer electronics product life cycle and that if Pentax goes under no one else will ever make lenses like that again. So I really really *don't* want Pentax making something they can't sell enough of. -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Interesting Pentax discovery
On Sun, Mar 01, 2009 at 11:42:04AM -0500, Mark Roberts scripsit: Thibouille wrote: Most probably and according other rumours: * bridge camera * no exchangeable lens * 22 or 24x zoom * no hotshoe * 12Mp * small sensor Sounds about right. Pity, though. It could have been nice :) As a pocketable birding camera, it might still be nice. Depends on what kind of pictures it takes. -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Interesting Pentax discovery
On Sun, Mar 01, 2009 at 04:42:06PM +, Cotty scripsit: On 1/3/09, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: http://www.colorfoto.de/News/E-620-Neue-Mittelklasse_5267064.html 4th photo down. Click to enlarge and note the EVF/LCD selector button at upper left. It's an articulated screen - looks like a hinge at left :-) Any guesses on what the smiley-face-guy button over the four way selector does? -- Graydon, who really hopes it isn't make user happy -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Interesting Pentax discovery
I'd say face/smile detection IMO. On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 6:07 PM, Graydon o...@uniserve.com wrote: On Sun, Mar 01, 2009 at 04:42:06PM +, Cotty scripsit: On 1/3/09, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: http://www.colorfoto.de/News/E-620-Neue-Mittelklasse_5267064.html 4th photo down. Click to enlarge and note the EVF/LCD selector button at upper left. It's an articulated screen - looks like a hinge at left :-) Any guesses on what the smiley-face-guy button over the four way selector does? -- Graydon, who really hopes it isn't make user happy -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DA* 55/1.4 vs 50/1.2
IMO if Pentax goes badly, Hoya would keep it as a lens manufacturer for other brands. That's what I'd do. On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 6:01 PM, Graydon o...@uniserve.com wrote: On Sun, Mar 01, 2009 at 10:05:50AM -0600, William Robb scripsit: - Original Message - From: Graydon Subject: Re: DA* 55/1.4 vs 50/1.2 So I expect that a 31 replacement is going to be preferred by Pentax in terms of the best lens we can build. Now if we can only talk them into building a camera in the same terms. Well, it's really best lens we can afford to build or best camera we can afford to build; I strongly suspect the K10D was a serious gamble in that respect. There's also the problem that cameras are now consumer electronic devices; total product lifetimes around 18 months. The engineering cultural change to deal with that is a drastic thing to get through, and not every organization that attempts this manages to do so. (Just the increase in parts count can kill you.) If total worldwide sales of the K10D and K20D are, oh, 100,000, Pentax can expect to sell about 15,000 KxDs; that, whatever the real numbers are, may simply not be enough. One interpretation of their effort to expand their customer base generally arises from this; they don't have one that's large enough for the best camera they can afford to build to be any much better than the K20D, and they want to change that. I am nearly certain I would prefer the Pentax take on that best camera to the Samsung take on it, but I am also quite sure that Samsung already knows how to do the consumer electronics product life cycle and that if Pentax goes under no one else will ever make lenses like that again. So I really really *don't* want Pentax making something they can't sell enough of. -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: on paper (was: Re: Our Book and other book pictures)
In a message dated 3/1/2009 7:20:39 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, p...@web-options.com writes: That describes somewhat how I felt after working at the British Library for 18 months, but it goes away. Bob === I know I was going to shut up, because I've used too much band width. But there is a whole other issue that has not been raised. Digital is much easier to alter than analog. Like when we switch to digital TV signals, they are definitely going to spiffy up images, post process them and make people look better. Sure, you can do it with analog but it is much, much harder. So we won't be able to trust what we see on TV nearly as much (I know maybe we can't now, but I still think it means we will have to trust it a lot, lot less.) Same with books on silicon, or however they do it. A paper book I can tell if it's been altered, i.e. written on. A cyberbook I won't be able to tell. It really leaves it open to abuse and hacking. Just like your photos on the Net can be easily lifted and used elsewhere and you may never know about it, but you can tell if someone has physically walked into your home and lifted your photos from your walls. Digital is too _ easy to alter. And that troubles me. So I wonder how authors will feel about the fact that it will be much, much easier to alter their words. Marnie And I have used too much bandwidth. Later. - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. **You're invited to Hollywood's biggest party: Get Oscars updates, red carpet pics and more at Moviefone. (http://movies.aol.com/oscars-academy-awards?ncid=emlcntusmovi0001) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Cades Cove Church
Cory - Thanks for posting - I browsed your gallery and had pleasant reminders of a couple spring break trips to Gatlinburg and Cades Cove when I was teaching. That was 35+ years ago and it's nice to see Cades Cove preserved. Is that church by the trailhead that goes back to Abram's Falls? Or is my memory failing? What I *do* remember is that it was a long walk back to the falls, up and down the hills with a three-year-old on my shoulders. ;} -p Cory Waters wrote: The family and I went up to Gatlinburg Tennessee for a few days respite this month. It seems silly now that we've lived here so long and never made the four hour trip to see the Great Smoky Mountains National Park. Very pretty country up there.Here's a shot of a church in Cades Cove: http://cwaters.smugmug.com/gallery/7482073_ei6Gh#482822841_h79tU-A-LB It's a snapshot but it turned out pretty good, IMO. Cory -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Interesting Pentax discovery
Graydon wrote: On Sun, Mar 01, 2009 at 04:42:06PM +, Cotty scripsit: On 1/3/09, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: http://www.colorfoto.de/News/E-620-Neue-Mittelklasse_5267064.html 4th photo down. Click to enlarge and note the EVF/LCD selector button at upper left. It's an articulated screen - looks like a hinge at left :-) Any guesses on what the smiley-face-guy button over the four way selector does? Looks like a white balance symbol. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO: Hong Kong
On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 6:11 AM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: What is milk tea? Milk Tea is paralyzingly strong tea (black not green), so strong the colour looks like something you'd buy in Starbucks, loaded down with gobs of milk and sugar. Also I think there's some weird little bit of extra seasoning. I would previously have said that I like strong tea, but this stuff was pushing into gag-reflex territory. I was at a table with a bunch of Hong Kongers, and about half of them shared my opinion, so I didn't feel too bad. -T -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: on paper (was: Re: Our Book and other book pictures)
On Sun, Mar 01, 2009 at 12:15:36PM -0500, eactiv...@aol.com scripsit: Same with books on silicon, or however they do it. A paper book I can tell if it's been altered, i.e. written on. A cyberbook I won't be able to tell. It really leaves it open to abuse and hacking. It's also easier to tell if something has been altered; this is what cryptographic hashes are for. (md5sum, sha1sum, etc.) Paper books you have to read with great attention to catch any alterations. You get your official original electronic document; you generate the cryptographic hash, which is a long number but not too long to write down somewhere if you want to. Any subsequent copy where the cryptographic hash doesn't match has been corrupted. (In this context, altered and corrupted are the same.) This is widely used now for detecting corruption in big binary files shipped over the net; there is certainly no technical bar to using it for ebooks. -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Aussie Trinkets Mates...
In a message dated 3/1/2009 8:45:56 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, ann...@nyc.rr.com writes: I think I like the heavy ribbing on the A*85 is a better quote! I can see it on a mug now ann === Heheheheheh. Marnie It would make a great mug. - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. **You're invited to Hollywood's biggest party: Get Oscars updates, red carpet pics and more at Moviefone. (http://movies.aol.com/oscars-academy-awards?ncid=emlcntusmovi0001) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Aussie Trinkets Mates...
In a message dated 3/1/2009 8:31:31 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, ann...@nyc.rr.com writes: Well now I know what happens when people down under buy broken lenses for parts... (ann digs out broken tamron lens from the stuff I just can't throw away drawer) ann = I'm trying to figure out how to convert the extra lens caps I have (which don't fit anything) into big earrings. (But not too big, they'd have to be cut down.) Marnie :-) - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. **You're invited to Hollywood's biggest party: Get Oscars updates, red carpet pics and more at Moviefone. (http://movies.aol.com/oscars-academy-awards?ncid=emlcntusmovi0001) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Remembering...
I don't recall seeing this one before. I think it is very effective. You did an excellent job with it. -- Best regards, Bruce Saturday, February 28, 2009, 12:29:27 AM, you wrote: Eac Okay, the tree was too messy, too cluttered -- so digging further back in Eac the archive. Eac Part of my Mom at 90 series. (I think I've shown about 5-6 of these on list, Eac I must have about 75-100, so I am pretty positive I have not shown this Eac one). Naturally these cannot be reshot. Eac At one point I tried props. I felt this was the best prop, but I wasn't Eac totally sure it worked. Eac http://www.mapphotography.com/PAWS/pages/remember.htm Eac Comments welcome. Eac Marnie aka Doe :-) Eac - Eac Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. Eac **You're invited to Hollywood's biggest party: Get Oscars Eac updates, red carpet pics and more at Moviefone. Eac (http://movies.aol.com/oscars-academy-awards?ncid=emlcntusmovi0001) Eac -- Eac PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List Eac PDML@pdml.net Eac http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net Eac to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly Eac above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Interesting Pentax discovery
I doubt about a button for white balance on a prosumer camera when K20D has no such dedicated button. On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Mark Roberts msrobert...@ysu.edu wrote: Graydon wrote: On Sun, Mar 01, 2009 at 04:42:06PM +, Cotty scripsit: On 1/3/09, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: http://www.colorfoto.de/News/E-620-Neue-Mittelklasse_5267064.html 4th photo down. Click to enlarge and note the EVF/LCD selector button at upper left. It's an articulated screen - looks like a hinge at left :-) Any guesses on what the smiley-face-guy button over the four way selector does? Looks like a white balance symbol. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: on paper (was: Re: Our Book and other book pictures)
On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 08:30:00PM -0800, Tim Bray scripsit: I have held in my own hands the Black Book of Carmarthen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Book_of_Carmarthen), ca. 1250AD, and the illuminations look like they were painted yesterday. Story, with a decent PESO, here: http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2005/02/04/FSS Mind you, some of the pigments they used are now illegal, for very good reasons. Oh yes. No, I don't really have anything to add to this excellent thread, I just wanted to engage in bibliophile name-dropping. -T You may consider yourself formally wisted at, sir. -- Graydon, who knew what book you were talking about. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Filters for the 16-50mm f2.8 DA*
I use a Pentax UV filter on mine and have noticed no vignetting with it. -- Best regards, Bruce Saturday, February 28, 2009, 12:59:32 PM, you wrote: KW Just acquired this lens was wondering what others who install filters on KW their's are doing? KW I have a Hoya super slim (3mm) UV on it now, but it has no female threads to KW receive the Pentax cap. KW Is anyone using a 'normal' thickness filter with female threads on their KW 16-50mm f2.8 DA* does it vignette @ the widest setting? KW Vignetting is not an issue with the super slim, but I'd sure like the KW ability to use the Pentax lens cap. KW Kenneth Waller KW http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f KW -- KW PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List KW PDML@pdml.net KW http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net KW to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Shooting orange
That speaks more to my ability to not post the ones that I totally blew, than to get them all right. I think that's called editing. ;+] Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Larry Colen l...@red4est.com Subject: Re: Shooting orange On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 05:55:15PM -0800, Joseph McAllister wrote: # Everyone else has had their say, so mine is belated. But I think you # did a great job with these. Thanks a bunch. # # They have an almost wax like appearance. I see nothing blown, only # highlights. -- Photographs are like sentences, the best ones have both subjects and verbs. Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://www.red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Aussie Trinkets Mates...
Those prices are out of this world, but oh I forgot - its art! Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com Subject: Aussie Trinkets Mates... Just ran across these must have trinkets on FaceBook http://www.oyemodern.com/designers/re-vision/ Maybe we could commission a PDML exclusive? Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Interesting Pentax discovery
It's an articulated screen - looks like a hinge at left :-) Looks more like the door for the memory card. Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Cotty cotty...@mac.com Subject: Re: Interesting Pentax discovery On 1/3/09, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: http://www.colorfoto.de/News/E-620-Neue-Mittelklasse_5267064.html 4th photo down. Click to enlarge and note the EVF/LCD selector button at upper left. It's an articulated screen - looks like a hinge at left :-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: GESO: Hong Kong
What is milk tea? Milk Tea is paralyzingly strong tea (black not green), so strong the colour looks like something you'd buy in Starbucks, loaded down with gobs of milk and sugar. Also I think there's some weird little bit of extra seasoning. I would previously have said that I like strong tea, but this stuff was pushing into gag-reflex territory. I was at a table with a bunch of Hong Kongers, and about half of them shared my opinion, so I didn't feel too bad. -T So, tea the way the English like it, then? Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: on paper
I'll raise a different problem that's coming up. When I worked for a printer/publisher of children's books, titles selling only 10-20,000 copies a year were a real problem. (They were quality products selling in the $15-$25 range in today's prices.) Publishing wanted to do the book, but Production wanted to run 50,000 minimum. This resulted in piles of inventory of slow/low sellers - sometimes 5-10 years supply. Electronic publishing of books will reduce or eliminate that set-up cost barrier for print, and that's a good and bad thing. Good becauise many interesting things will now be published. Bad because lots of garbage will flood the market with no cost barriers. Your problem will become finding good things to read among all the trash. Regards, Bob S. On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 9:17 AM, Mark Roberts msrobert...@ysu.edu wrote: mike wilson wrote: What will stop it is the lack of virtually free energy. When a set of AAs cost the equivalent of £200 at today's prices, what are you going to use them on? When your mains electricity is only on for a few hours each day, what are you going to have working? By that time, the printing presses and the trucks to distribute books will be shut down. What really does stand a chance of stopping electronic books is the specter of DRM that Bill Robb and Adam Maas have pointed out. Publishers' greed, in other words. People have to be able to back up electronic books somehow, so that they can be confident that if they drop, break or otherwise incapacitate their reading device, they haven't lost the hundreds of books thay bought to store on it. The real Achilles Heel of the whole enterprise isn't technological it is, as usual human. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: on paper
The whole enterprise is about greed. Rubbish. It's about exploring strange new worlds and new civilisations. It's about going where no-one has gone before :-) -- Cheers, Cotty Sorry - my punctuation is terrible. I meant The whole Enterprise is about Greed, Captain Phnarg L. Greed, Lord High Admiral of the Pthpthpthinons, Dominator of the Ninth Sector and Zookeeper (2nd Class) of Snarg. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Peso #006 (Dune on Earth)
Interesting picture. Boris. But I love the picture of Anat with her first? smile.(Even if it was a gas bubble) John Graves WA1JG jh.gra...@verizon.net Boris Liberman wrote: Hi! About two weeks ago we had the strangest weather. Well, at this very moment it rains heavily outside, but that day it was indeed very reminiscent of Dune the movie. Have a look: http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2009/02/peso-2009-006.html Have your say as well, as usual, brutal and honest. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.4/1976 - Release Date: 02/27/09 13:27:00 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: on paper
That's Production's fault. Print-on-demand will deal with them. Bob I'll raise a different problem that's coming up. When I worked for a printer/publisher of children's books, titles selling only 10-20,000 copies a year were a real problem. (They were quality products selling in the $15-$25 range in today's prices.) Publishing wanted to do the book, but Production wanted to run 50,000 minimum. This resulted in piles of inventory of slow/low sellers - sometimes 5-10 years supply. Electronic publishing of books will reduce or eliminate that set-up cost barrier for print, and that's a good and bad thing. Good becauise many interesting things will now be published. Bad because lots of garbage will flood the market with no cost barriers. Your problem will become finding good things to read among all the trash. Regards, Bob S. On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 9:17 AM, Mark Roberts msrobert...@ysu.edu wrote: mike wilson wrote: What will stop it is the lack of virtually free energy. When a set of AAs cost the equivalent of £200 at today's prices, what are you going to use them on? When your mains electricity is only on for a few hours each day, what are you going to have working? By that time, the printing presses and the trucks to distribute books will be shut down. What really does stand a chance of stopping electronic books is the specter of DRM that Bill Robb and Adam Maas have pointed out. Publishers' greed, in other words. People have to be able to back up electronic books somehow, so that they can be confident that if they drop, break or otherwise incapacitate their reading device, they haven't lost the hundreds of books thay bought to store on it. The real Achilles Heel of the whole enterprise isn't technological it is, as usual human. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
