subject:"OT Covid\-19"

A friend of mine is an ear eyes and throat doctor - she is tending to a 
friend and neighbor of mine... and now she is sick with something as 
well.  I havent been near either of them in the last 12 days..., btw.   
but I talk on the phone to my neighbor and they think she likely has the 
virus -- . another friend of mine appears to have the appropriate 
symptoms as well.. just telling you this becaus in the course of talking 
to them the both have a symptom which has been written about recently as 
an unusual symptom.


I was sent this article - I Think it is worth reading.  The loss of the 
sense of smell and taste for a few days  is the symptom.  a relief for 
me for myself because I"m
cooking and enjoying every bite. Anyway, in the chance this is useful 
I'm sending you the link...


https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-experts-say-new-symptoms-could-be-loss-taste-or-smell-11961439

ann

On 3/21/2020 8:08 PM, Ken Waller wrote:

Keyword —- allegedly


-Original Message-

From: mike wilson 
Subject: Re: OT Covid-19

Advice from a virologist, allegedly.  Makes sense to me.

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Re: OT Covid-19

2020-03-21 Thread Ken Waller

Keyword —- allegedly


-Original Message-
>From: mike wilson 
>Subject: Re: OT Covid-19
>
>Advice from a virologist, allegedly.  Makes sense to me.
>
>The new Coronavirus may not show sign of infection for many days. How can one 
>know if he/she is infected? By the time they have a fever and/or cough and go 
>to the hospital, the lung is usually 50% Fibrosis and it's too late. Taiwan 
>experts provide a simple self-check that we can do every morning. Take a deep 
>breath and hold your breath for more than 10 seconds. If you complete it 
>successfully without coughing, without discomfort, stiffness or tightness, 
>etc., it proves there is no Fibrosis in the lungs, basically indicates no 
>infection. In a critical time, please self-check every morning in an 
>environment with clean air. Serious excellent advice by Japanese doctors 
>treating COVID-19 cases: Everyone should ensure your mouth & throat are moist, 
>never dry. Take a few sips of water every 15 minutes at least. Why? Even if 
>the virus gets into your mouth, drinking water or other liquids will wash them 
>down through your throat and into the stomach. Once there, your stomach acid 
>will kill all the virus. If you don't drink enough water more regularly, the 
>virus can enter your windpipe and into the lungs. That's very dangerous. 
>
>IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT - CORONAVIRUS
>1. If you have a runny nose and sputum, you have a common cold
>2. Coronavirus pneumonia is a dry cough with no runny nose.
>3. This new virus is not heat-resistant and will be killed by a temperature of 
>just 26/27 degrees. It hates the Sun.
>4. If someone sneezes with it, it takes about 10 feet before it drops to the 
>ground and is no longer airborne.
>5. If it drops on a metal surface it will live for at least 12 hours - so if 
>you come into contact with any metal surface - wash your hands as soon as you 
>can with a bacterial soap.
>6. On fabric, it can survive for 6-12 hours. normal laundry detergent will 
>kill it.
>7. Drinking warm water is effective for all viruses. Try not to drink liquids 
>with ice.
>8. Wash your hands frequently as the virus can only live on your hands for 
>5-10 minutes, but - a lot can happen during that time - you can rub your eyes, 
>pick your nose unwittingly and so on.
>9. You should also gargle as prevention. A simple solution of salt in warm 
>water will suffice.
>10. Can't emphasis enough - drink plenty of water!
>SYMPTOMS
>1. It will first infect the throat, so you'll have a sore throat lasting 3/4 
>days
>2. The virus then blends into a nasal fluid that enters the trachea and then 
>the lungs, causing pneumonia. This takes about 5/6 days further.
>3. With the pneumonia comes high fever and difficulty in breathing.
>4. The nasal congestion is not like the normal kind. You feel like you're 
>drowning. It's imperative you then seek immediate attention.
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Re: OT Covid-19

2020-03-21 Thread Paul Stenquist

Exactly. So most of the guidelines are nonsense. Go to cdc.gov.

Paul

> On Mar 21, 2020, at 4:27 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Mar 21, 2020, at 1:20 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
>> 
>> And having a runny nose does not rule out covid-19.
> 
> Technically, having no symptoms doesn’t rule out covid-19.
> 
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2020-03-21 Thread Bob Pdml

There’s a lot of stuff going around, including I received today as an mp3, 
starting ‘I got this from my friend whose uncle who is a virologist in Wuhan...’

I think anti-bacterial soap is ok against the virus because it’s soap, not 
because it’s anti-bacterial. 

My uncle is a virologist in Ulan Batar and he says that the surface of viruses 
is fat, and soap is effective against fats, so breaks it up and kills the virus.

B

> On 21 Mar 2020, at 20:31, Stanley Halpin  wrote:
> 
> Washing hands, good. Washing using soap, better. Using bacterial soap to 
> attack viruses? I think that one is a bit suspect.
> 
> stan
> 
> 
>>> On Mar 21, 2020, at 4:18 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
 On Mar 21, 2020, at 1:10 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
>>> 
>>> um which ones, Larry?
>> 
>> I don’t remember all of the ones, there’s been so much going back and forth. 
>>  I think that a post very much like this one was referenced in one of the 
>> posts I saw.
>> 
>> But a quick check:
>> 
>> https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/craigsilverman/coronavirus-drink-water-advice-debunk
>> 
>> https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/drinking-water-prevent-coronavirus/
>> 
>> My housemate started a facebook group where they try to vet in information 
>> posted:
>> COVID-19: Scientific Sources and Reputable News
>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/212045340172042/
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 3/21/2020 3:57 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
 I think that a lot of these things are ones that I’ve seen as debunked.
 
 
> On Mar 21, 2020, at 12:30 PM, mike wilson  wrote:
> 
> Advice from a virologist, allegedly.  Makes sense to me.
> 
> The new Coronavirus may not show sign of infection for many days. How can 
> one know if he/she is infected? By the time they have a fever and/or 
> cough and go to the hospital, the lung is usually 50% Fibrosis and it's 
> too late. Taiwan experts provide a simple self-check that we can do every 
> morning. Take a deep breath and hold your breath for more than 10 
> seconds. If you complete it successfully without coughing, without 
> discomfort, stiffness or tightness, etc., it proves there is no Fibrosis 
> in the lungs, basically indicates no infection. In a critical time, 
> please self-check every morning in an environment with clean air. Serious 
> excellent advice by Japanese doctors treating COVID-19 cases: Everyone 
> should ensure your mouth & throat are moist, never dry. Take a few sips 
> of water every 15 minutes at least. Why? Even if the virus gets into your 
> mouth, drinking water or other liquids will wash them down through your 
> throat and into the stomach. Once there, your stomach acid will!
> kill all the virus. If you don't drink enough water more regularly, the 
> virus can enter your windpipe and into the lungs. That's very dangerous.
> 
> IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT - CORONAVIRUS
> 1. If you have a runny nose and sputum, you have a common cold
> 2. Coronavirus pneumonia is a dry cough with no runny nose.
> 3. This new virus is not heat-resistant and will be killed by a 
> temperature of just 26/27 degrees. It hates the Sun.
> 4. If someone sneezes with it, it takes about 10 feet before it drops to 
> the ground and is no longer airborne.
> 5. If it drops on a metal surface it will live for at least 12 hours - so 
> if you come into contact with any metal surface - wash your hands as soon 
> as you can with a bacterial soap.
> 6. On fabric, it can survive for 6-12 hours. normal laundry detergent 
> will kill it.
> 7. Drinking warm water is effective for all viruses. Try not to drink 
> liquids with ice.
> 8. Wash your hands frequently as the virus can only live on your hands 
> for 5-10 minutes, but - a lot can happen during that time - you can rub 
> your eyes, pick your nose unwittingly and so on.
> 9. You should also gargle as prevention. A simple solution of salt in 
> warm water will suffice.
> 10. Can't emphasis enough - drink plenty of water!
> SYMPTOMS
> 1. It will first infect the throat, so you'll have a sore throat lasting 
> 3/4 days
> 2. The virus then blends into a nasal fluid that enters the trachea and 
> then the lungs, causing pneumonia. This takes about 5/6 days further.
> 3. With the pneumonia comes high fever and difficulty in breathing.
> 4. The nasal congestion is not like the normal kind. You feel like you're 
> drowning. It's imperative you then seek immediate attention.
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Re: OT Covid-19

I have to say I didnt see the word "allegedly" aftre virologist -  I 
thought that came from someone mike knew...

some of the rest of it I'd seen before both debunked or not...

I never use antibacterial stuff for any reason.

I did get a bit suckered ... I held my breath for 15 seconds. easy peasy :-)

ann



On 3/21/2020 4:30 PM, Stanley Halpin wrote:

Washing hands, good. Washing using soap, better. Using bacterial soap to attack 
viruses? I think that one is a bit suspect.

stan



On Mar 21, 2020, at 4:18 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:


On Mar 21, 2020, at 1:10 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:

um which ones, Larry?

I don’t remember all of the ones, there’s been so much going back and forth.  I 
think that a post very much like this one was referenced in one of the posts I 
saw.

But a quick check:

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/craigsilverman/coronavirus-drink-water-advice-debunk

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/drinking-water-prevent-coronavirus/

My housemate started a facebook group where they try to vet in information 
posted:
COVID-19: Scientific Sources and Reputable News
https://www.facebook.com/groups/212045340172042/






On 3/21/2020 3:57 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

I think that a lot of these things are ones that I’ve seen as debunked.



On Mar 21, 2020, at 12:30 PM, mike wilson  wrote:

Advice from a virologist, allegedly.  Makes sense to me.

The new Coronavirus may not show sign of infection for many days. How can one know 
if he/she is infected? By the time they have a fever and/or cough and go to the 
hospital, the lung is usually 50% Fibrosis and it's too late. Taiwan experts 
provide a simple self-check that we can do every morning. Take a deep breath and 
hold your breath for more than 10 seconds. If you complete it successfully without 
coughing, without discomfort, stiffness or tightness, etc., it proves there is no 
Fibrosis in the lungs, basically indicates no infection. In a critical time, please 
self-check every morning in an environment with clean air. Serious excellent advice 
by Japanese doctors treating COVID-19 cases: Everyone should ensure your mouth 
& throat are moist, never dry. Take a few sips of water every 15 minutes at 
least. Why? Even if the virus gets into your mouth, drinking water or other liquids 
will wash them down through your throat and into the stomach. Once there, your 
stomach acid will!
kill all the virus. If you don't drink enough water more regularly, the virus 
can enter your windpipe and into the lungs. That's very dangerous.

IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT - CORONAVIRUS
1. If you have a runny nose and sputum, you have a common cold
2. Coronavirus pneumonia is a dry cough with no runny nose.
3. This new virus is not heat-resistant and will be killed by a temperature of 
just 26/27 degrees. It hates the Sun.
4. If someone sneezes with it, it takes about 10 feet before it drops to the 
ground and is no longer airborne.
5. If it drops on a metal surface it will live for at least 12 hours - so if 
you come into contact with any metal surface - wash your hands as soon as you 
can with a bacterial soap.
6. On fabric, it can survive for 6-12 hours. normal laundry detergent will kill 
it.
7. Drinking warm water is effective for all viruses. Try not to drink liquids 
with ice.
8. Wash your hands frequently as the virus can only live on your hands for 5-10 
minutes, but - a lot can happen during that time - you can rub your eyes, pick 
your nose unwittingly and so on.
9. You should also gargle as prevention. A simple solution of salt in warm 
water will suffice.
10. Can't emphasis enough - drink plenty of water!
SYMPTOMS
1. It will first infect the throat, so you'll have a sore throat lasting 3/4 
days
2. The virus then blends into a nasal fluid that enters the trachea and then 
the lungs, causing pneumonia. This takes about 5/6 days further.
3. With the pneumonia comes high fever and difficulty in breathing.
4. The nasal congestion is not like the normal kind. You feel like you're 
drowning. It's imperative you then seek immediate attention.

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Re: OT Covid-19

2020-03-21 Thread Stanley Halpin

Washing hands, good. Washing using soap, better. Using bacterial soap to attack 
viruses? I think that one is a bit suspect.

stan

> On Mar 21, 2020, at 4:18 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On Mar 21, 2020, at 1:10 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
>> 
>> um which ones, Larry?
> 
> I don’t remember all of the ones, there’s been so much going back and forth.  
> I think that a post very much like this one was referenced in one of the 
> posts I saw.
> 
> But a quick check:
> 
> https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/craigsilverman/coronavirus-drink-water-advice-debunk
> 
> https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/drinking-water-prevent-coronavirus/
> 
> My housemate started a facebook group where they try to vet in information 
> posted:
> COVID-19: Scientific Sources and Reputable News
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/212045340172042/
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 3/21/2020 3:57 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
>>> I think that a lot of these things are ones that I’ve seen as debunked.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Mar 21, 2020, at 12:30 PM, mike wilson  wrote:

 Advice from a virologist, allegedly.  Makes sense to me.

 The new Coronavirus may not show sign of infection for many days. How can 
 one know if he/she is infected? By the time they have a fever and/or cough 
 and go to the hospital, the lung is usually 50% Fibrosis and it's too 
 late. Taiwan experts provide a simple self-check that we can do every 
 morning. Take a deep breath and hold your breath for more than 10 seconds. 
 If you complete it successfully without coughing, without discomfort, 
 stiffness or tightness, etc., it proves there is no Fibrosis in the lungs, 
 basically indicates no infection. In a critical time, please self-check 
 every morning in an environment with clean air. Serious excellent advice 
 by Japanese doctors treating COVID-19 cases: Everyone should ensure your 
 mouth & throat are moist, never dry. Take a few sips of water every 15 
 minutes at least. Why? Even if the virus gets into your mouth, drinking 
 water or other liquids will wash them down through your throat and into 
 the stomach. Once there, your stomach acid will!
 kill all the virus. If you don't drink enough water more regularly, the 
 virus can enter your windpipe and into the lungs. That's very dangerous.

 IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT - CORONAVIRUS
 1. If you have a runny nose and sputum, you have a common cold
 2. Coronavirus pneumonia is a dry cough with no runny nose.
 3. This new virus is not heat-resistant and will be killed by a 
 temperature of just 26/27 degrees. It hates the Sun.
 4. If someone sneezes with it, it takes about 10 feet before it drops to 
 the ground and is no longer airborne.
 5. If it drops on a metal surface it will live for at least 12 hours - so 
 if you come into contact with any metal surface - wash your hands as soon 
 as you can with a bacterial soap.
 6. On fabric, it can survive for 6-12 hours. normal laundry detergent will 
 kill it.
 7. Drinking warm water is effective for all viruses. Try not to drink 
 liquids with ice.
 8. Wash your hands frequently as the virus can only live on your hands for 
 5-10 minutes, but - a lot can happen during that time - you can rub your 
 eyes, pick your nose unwittingly and so on.
 9. You should also gargle as prevention. A simple solution of salt in warm 
 water will suffice.
 10. Can't emphasis enough - drink plenty of water!
 SYMPTOMS
 1. It will first infect the throat, so you'll have a sore throat lasting 
 3/4 days
 2. The virus then blends into a nasal fluid that enters the trachea and 
 then the lungs, causing pneumonia. This takes about 5/6 days further.
 3. With the pneumonia comes high fever and difficulty in breathing.
 4. The nasal congestion is not like the normal kind. You feel like you're 
 drowning. It's imperative you then seek immediate attention.

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2020-03-21 Thread Larry Colen


> On Mar 21, 2020, at 1:20 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> 
> And having a runny nose does not rule out covid-19.

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2020-03-21 Thread Paul Stenquist

And having a runny nose does not rule out covid-19.

Paul

> On Mar 21, 2020, at 4:11 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> um which ones, Larry?
> 
> 
>> On 3/21/2020 3:57 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
>> I think that a lot of these things are ones that I’ve seen as debunked.
>> 
>> 
 On Mar 21, 2020, at 12:30 PM, mike wilson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Advice from a virologist, allegedly.  Makes sense to me.
>>> 
>>> The new Coronavirus may not show sign of infection for many days. How can 
>>> one know if he/she is infected? By the time they have a fever and/or cough 
>>> and go to the hospital, the lung is usually 50% Fibrosis and it's too late. 
>>> Taiwan experts provide a simple self-check that we can do every morning. 
>>> Take a deep breath and hold your breath for more than 10 seconds. If you 
>>> complete it successfully without coughing, without discomfort, stiffness or 
>>> tightness, etc., it proves there is no Fibrosis in the lungs, basically 
>>> indicates no infection. In a critical time, please self-check every morning 
>>> in an environment with clean air. Serious excellent advice by Japanese 
>>> doctors treating COVID-19 cases: Everyone should ensure your mouth & throat 
>>> are moist, never dry. Take a few sips of water every 15 minutes at least. 
>>> Why? Even if the virus gets into your mouth, drinking water or other 
>>> liquids will wash them down through your throat and into the stomach. Once 
>>> there, your stomach acid will!
>>>  kill all the virus. If you don't drink enough water more regularly, the 
>>> virus can enter your windpipe and into the lungs. That's very dangerous.
>>> 
>>> IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT - CORONAVIRUS
>>> 1. If you have a runny nose and sputum, you have a common cold
>>> 2. Coronavirus pneumonia is a dry cough with no runny nose.
>>> 3. This new virus is not heat-resistant and will be killed by a temperature 
>>> of just 26/27 degrees. It hates the Sun.
>>> 4. If someone sneezes with it, it takes about 10 feet before it drops to 
>>> the ground and is no longer airborne.
>>> 5. If it drops on a metal surface it will live for at least 12 hours - so 
>>> if you come into contact with any metal surface - wash your hands as soon 
>>> as you can with a bacterial soap.
>>> 6. On fabric, it can survive for 6-12 hours. normal laundry detergent will 
>>> kill it.
>>> 7. Drinking warm water is effective for all viruses. Try not to drink 
>>> liquids with ice.
>>> 8. Wash your hands frequently as the virus can only live on your hands for 
>>> 5-10 minutes, but - a lot can happen during that time - you can rub your 
>>> eyes, pick your nose unwittingly and so on.
>>> 9. You should also gargle as prevention. A simple solution of salt in warm 
>>> water will suffice.
>>> 10. Can't emphasis enough - drink plenty of water!
>>> SYMPTOMS
>>> 1. It will first infect the throat, so you'll have a sore throat lasting 
>>> 3/4 days
>>> 2. The virus then blends into a nasal fluid that enters the trachea and 
>>> then the lungs, causing pneumonia. This takes about 5/6 days further.
>>> 3. With the pneumonia comes high fever and difficulty in breathing.
>>> 4. The nasal congestion is not like the normal kind. You feel like you're 
>>> drowning. It's imperative you then seek immediate attention.
>>> 
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2020-03-21 Thread Paul Stenquist

The holding your breath test is nonsense, according to the CDC. Go to CDC.gov 
for accurate information.

Paul

> On Mar 21, 2020, at 4:11 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> um which ones, Larry?
> 
> 
>> On 3/21/2020 3:57 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
>> I think that a lot of these things are ones that I’ve seen as debunked.
>> 
>> 
 On Mar 21, 2020, at 12:30 PM, mike wilson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Advice from a virologist, allegedly.  Makes sense to me.
>>> 
>>> The new Coronavirus may not show sign of infection for many days. How can 
>>> one know if he/she is infected? By the time they have a fever and/or cough 
>>> and go to the hospital, the lung is usually 50% Fibrosis and it's too late. 
>>> Taiwan experts provide a simple self-check that we can do every morning. 
>>> Take a deep breath and hold your breath for more than 10 seconds. If you 
>>> complete it successfully without coughing, without discomfort, stiffness or 
>>> tightness, etc., it proves there is no Fibrosis in the lungs, basically 
>>> indicates no infection. In a critical time, please self-check every morning 
>>> in an environment with clean air. Serious excellent advice by Japanese 
>>> doctors treating COVID-19 cases: Everyone should ensure your mouth & throat 
>>> are moist, never dry. Take a few sips of water every 15 minutes at least. 
>>> Why? Even if the virus gets into your mouth, drinking water or other 
>>> liquids will wash them down through your throat and into the stomach. Once 
>>> there, your stomach acid will!
>>>  kill all the virus. If you don't drink enough water more regularly, the 
>>> virus can enter your windpipe and into the lungs. That's very dangerous.
>>> 
>>> IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT - CORONAVIRUS
>>> 1. If you have a runny nose and sputum, you have a common cold
>>> 2. Coronavirus pneumonia is a dry cough with no runny nose.
>>> 3. This new virus is not heat-resistant and will be killed by a temperature 
>>> of just 26/27 degrees. It hates the Sun.
>>> 4. If someone sneezes with it, it takes about 10 feet before it drops to 
>>> the ground and is no longer airborne.
>>> 5. If it drops on a metal surface it will live for at least 12 hours - so 
>>> if you come into contact with any metal surface - wash your hands as soon 
>>> as you can with a bacterial soap.
>>> 6. On fabric, it can survive for 6-12 hours. normal laundry detergent will 
>>> kill it.
>>> 7. Drinking warm water is effective for all viruses. Try not to drink 
>>> liquids with ice.
>>> 8. Wash your hands frequently as the virus can only live on your hands for 
>>> 5-10 minutes, but - a lot can happen during that time - you can rub your 
>>> eyes, pick your nose unwittingly and so on.
>>> 9. You should also gargle as prevention. A simple solution of salt in warm 
>>> water will suffice.
>>> 10. Can't emphasis enough - drink plenty of water!
>>> SYMPTOMS
>>> 1. It will first infect the throat, so you'll have a sore throat lasting 
>>> 3/4 days
>>> 2. The virus then blends into a nasal fluid that enters the trachea and 
>>> then the lungs, causing pneumonia. This takes about 5/6 days further.
>>> 3. With the pneumonia comes high fever and difficulty in breathing.
>>> 4. The nasal congestion is not like the normal kind. You feel like you're 
>>> drowning. It's imperative you then seek immediate attention.
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Re: OT Covid-19

2020-03-21 Thread Larry Colen



> On Mar 21, 2020, at 1:10 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> um which ones, Larry?

I don’t remember all of the ones, there’s been so much going back and forth.  I 
think that a post very much like this one was referenced in one of the posts I 
saw.

But a quick check:

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/craigsilverman/coronavirus-drink-water-advice-debunk

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/drinking-water-prevent-coronavirus/

My housemate started a facebook group where they try to vet in information 
posted:
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https://www.facebook.com/groups/212045340172042/




> 
> 
> On 3/21/2020 3:57 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
>> I think that a lot of these things are ones that I’ve seen as debunked.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 21, 2020, at 12:30 PM, mike wilson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Advice from a virologist, allegedly.  Makes sense to me.
>>> 
>>> The new Coronavirus may not show sign of infection for many days. How can 
>>> one know if he/she is infected? By the time they have a fever and/or cough 
>>> and go to the hospital, the lung is usually 50% Fibrosis and it's too late. 
>>> Taiwan experts provide a simple self-check that we can do every morning. 
>>> Take a deep breath and hold your breath for more than 10 seconds. If you 
>>> complete it successfully without coughing, without discomfort, stiffness or 
>>> tightness, etc., it proves there is no Fibrosis in the lungs, basically 
>>> indicates no infection. In a critical time, please self-check every morning 
>>> in an environment with clean air. Serious excellent advice by Japanese 
>>> doctors treating COVID-19 cases: Everyone should ensure your mouth & throat 
>>> are moist, never dry. Take a few sips of water every 15 minutes at least. 
>>> Why? Even if the virus gets into your mouth, drinking water or other 
>>> liquids will wash them down through your throat and into the stomach. Once 
>>> there, your stomach acid will!
>>>  kill all the virus. If you don't drink enough water more regularly, the 
>>> virus can enter your windpipe and into the lungs. That's very dangerous.
>>> 
>>> IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT - CORONAVIRUS
>>> 1. If you have a runny nose and sputum, you have a common cold
>>> 2. Coronavirus pneumonia is a dry cough with no runny nose.
>>> 3. This new virus is not heat-resistant and will be killed by a temperature 
>>> of just 26/27 degrees. It hates the Sun.
>>> 4. If someone sneezes with it, it takes about 10 feet before it drops to 
>>> the ground and is no longer airborne.
>>> 5. If it drops on a metal surface it will live for at least 12 hours - so 
>>> if you come into contact with any metal surface - wash your hands as soon 
>>> as you can with a bacterial soap.
>>> 6. On fabric, it can survive for 6-12 hours. normal laundry detergent will 
>>> kill it.
>>> 7. Drinking warm water is effective for all viruses. Try not to drink 
>>> liquids with ice.
>>> 8. Wash your hands frequently as the virus can only live on your hands for 
>>> 5-10 minutes, but - a lot can happen during that time - you can rub your 
>>> eyes, pick your nose unwittingly and so on.
>>> 9. You should also gargle as prevention. A simple solution of salt in warm 
>>> water will suffice.
>>> 10. Can't emphasis enough - drink plenty of water!
>>> SYMPTOMS
>>> 1. It will first infect the throat, so you'll have a sore throat lasting 
>>> 3/4 days
>>> 2. The virus then blends into a nasal fluid that enters the trachea and 
>>> then the lungs, causing pneumonia. This takes about 5/6 days further.
>>> 3. With the pneumonia comes high fever and difficulty in breathing.
>>> 4. The nasal congestion is not like the normal kind. You feel like you're 
>>> drowning. It's imperative you then seek immediate attention.
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Re: OT Covid-19


um which ones, Larry?


On 3/21/2020 3:57 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

I think that a lot of these things are ones that I’ve seen as debunked.



On Mar 21, 2020, at 12:30 PM, mike wilson  wrote:

Advice from a virologist, allegedly.  Makes sense to me.

The new Coronavirus may not show sign of infection for many days. How can one know 
if he/she is infected? By the time they have a fever and/or cough and go to the 
hospital, the lung is usually 50% Fibrosis and it's too late. Taiwan experts 
provide a simple self-check that we can do every morning. Take a deep breath and 
hold your breath for more than 10 seconds. If you complete it successfully without 
coughing, without discomfort, stiffness or tightness, etc., it proves there is no 
Fibrosis in the lungs, basically indicates no infection. In a critical time, please 
self-check every morning in an environment with clean air. Serious excellent advice 
by Japanese doctors treating COVID-19 cases: Everyone should ensure your mouth 
& throat are moist, never dry. Take a few sips of water every 15 minutes at 
least. Why? Even if the virus gets into your mouth, drinking water or other liquids 
will wash them down through your throat and into the stomach. Once there, your 
stomach acid will!
  kill all the virus. If you don't drink enough water more regularly, the virus 
can enter your windpipe and into the lungs. That's very dangerous.

IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT - CORONAVIRUS
1. If you have a runny nose and sputum, you have a common cold
2. Coronavirus pneumonia is a dry cough with no runny nose.
3. This new virus is not heat-resistant and will be killed by a temperature of 
just 26/27 degrees. It hates the Sun.
4. If someone sneezes with it, it takes about 10 feet before it drops to the 
ground and is no longer airborne.
5. If it drops on a metal surface it will live for at least 12 hours - so if 
you come into contact with any metal surface - wash your hands as soon as you 
can with a bacterial soap.
6. On fabric, it can survive for 6-12 hours. normal laundry detergent will kill 
it.
7. Drinking warm water is effective for all viruses. Try not to drink liquids 
with ice.
8. Wash your hands frequently as the virus can only live on your hands for 5-10 
minutes, but - a lot can happen during that time - you can rub your eyes, pick 
your nose unwittingly and so on.
9. You should also gargle as prevention. A simple solution of salt in warm 
water will suffice.
10. Can't emphasis enough - drink plenty of water!
SYMPTOMS
1. It will first infect the throat, so you'll have a sore throat lasting 3/4 
days
2. The virus then blends into a nasal fluid that enters the trachea and then 
the lungs, causing pneumonia. This takes about 5/6 days further.
3. With the pneumonia comes high fever and difficulty in breathing.
4. The nasal congestion is not like the normal kind. You feel like you're 
drowning. It's imperative you then seek immediate attention.

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Re: OT Covid-19


thanks, Mke that's really is helpful...

I'm a habitual frequent sipper.. plain water and coffee or decaf mailnly 
and carrot juice.. and I never put ice in anything so your comments are 
reassuring.

ann




On 3/21/2020 3:30 PM, mike wilson wrote:

Advice from a virologist, allegedly.  Makes sense to me.

The new Coronavirus may not show sign of infection for many days. How can one know 
if he/she is infected? By the time they have a fever and/or cough and go to the 
hospital, the lung is usually 50% Fibrosis and it's too late. Taiwan experts 
provide a simple self-check that we can do every morning. Take a deep breath and 
hold your breath for more than 10 seconds. If you complete it successfully without 
coughing, without discomfort, stiffness or tightness, etc., it proves there is no 
Fibrosis in the lungs, basically indicates no infection. In a critical time, please 
self-check every morning in an environment with clean air. Serious excellent advice 
by Japanese doctors treating COVID-19 cases: Everyone should ensure your mouth 
& throat are moist, never dry. Take a few sips of water every 15 minutes at 
least. Why? Even if the virus gets into your mouth, drinking water or other liquids 
will wash them down through your throat and into the stomach. Once there, your 
stomach acid will kill all the virus. If you don't drink enough water more 
regularly, the virus can enter your windpipe and into the lungs. That's very 
dangerous.

IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT - CORONAVIRUS
1. If you have a runny nose and sputum, you have a common cold
2. Coronavirus pneumonia is a dry cough with no runny nose.
3. This new virus is not heat-resistant and will be killed by a temperature of 
just 26/27 degrees. It hates the Sun.
4. If someone sneezes with it, it takes about 10 feet before it drops to the 
ground and is no longer airborne.
5. If it drops on a metal surface it will live for at least 12 hours - so if 
you come into contact with any metal surface - wash your hands as soon as you 
can with a bacterial soap.
6. On fabric, it can survive for 6-12 hours. normal laundry detergent will kill 
it.
7. Drinking warm water is effective for all viruses. Try not to drink liquids 
with ice.
8. Wash your hands frequently as the virus can only live on your hands for 5-10 
minutes, but - a lot can happen during that time - you can rub your eyes, pick 
your nose unwittingly and so on.
9. You should also gargle as prevention. A simple solution of salt in warm 
water will suffice.
10. Can't emphasis enough - drink plenty of water!
SYMPTOMS
1. It will first infect the throat, so you'll have a sore throat lasting 3/4 
days
2. The virus then blends into a nasal fluid that enters the trachea and then 
the lungs, causing pneumonia. This takes about 5/6 days further.
3. With the pneumonia comes high fever and difficulty in breathing.
4. The nasal congestion is not like the normal kind. You feel like you're 
drowning. It's imperative you then seek immediate attention.



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Re: OT Covid-19

2020-03-21 Thread Larry Colen

I think that a lot of these things are ones that I’ve seen as debunked.


> On Mar 21, 2020, at 12:30 PM, mike wilson  wrote:
> 
> Advice from a virologist, allegedly.  Makes sense to me.
> 
> The new Coronavirus may not show sign of infection for many days. How can one 
> know if he/she is infected? By the time they have a fever and/or cough and go 
> to the hospital, the lung is usually 50% Fibrosis and it's too late. Taiwan 
> experts provide a simple self-check that we can do every morning. Take a deep 
> breath and hold your breath for more than 10 seconds. If you complete it 
> successfully without coughing, without discomfort, stiffness or tightness, 
> etc., it proves there is no Fibrosis in the lungs, basically indicates no 
> infection. In a critical time, please self-check every morning in an 
> environment with clean air. Serious excellent advice by Japanese doctors 
> treating COVID-19 cases: Everyone should ensure your mouth & throat are 
> moist, never dry. Take a few sips of water every 15 minutes at least. Why? 
> Even if the virus gets into your mouth, drinking water or other liquids will 
> wash them down through your throat and into the stomach. Once there, your 
> stomach acid will!
>  kill all the virus. If you don't drink enough water more regularly, the 
> virus can enter your windpipe and into the lungs. That's very dangerous. 
> 
> IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT - CORONAVIRUS
> 1. If you have a runny nose and sputum, you have a common cold
> 2. Coronavirus pneumonia is a dry cough with no runny nose.
> 3. This new virus is not heat-resistant and will be killed by a temperature 
> of just 26/27 degrees. It hates the Sun.
> 4. If someone sneezes with it, it takes about 10 feet before it drops to the 
> ground and is no longer airborne.
> 5. If it drops on a metal surface it will live for at least 12 hours - so if 
> you come into contact with any metal surface - wash your hands as soon as you 
> can with a bacterial soap.
> 6. On fabric, it can survive for 6-12 hours. normal laundry detergent will 
> kill it.
> 7. Drinking warm water is effective for all viruses. Try not to drink liquids 
> with ice.
> 8. Wash your hands frequently as the virus can only live on your hands for 
> 5-10 minutes, but - a lot can happen during that time - you can rub your 
> eyes, pick your nose unwittingly and so on.
> 9. You should also gargle as prevention. A simple solution of salt in warm 
> water will suffice.
> 10. Can't emphasis enough - drink plenty of water!
> SYMPTOMS
> 1. It will first infect the throat, so you'll have a sore throat lasting 3/4 
> days
> 2. The virus then blends into a nasal fluid that enters the trachea and then 
> the lungs, causing pneumonia. This takes about 5/6 days further.
> 3. With the pneumonia comes high fever and difficulty in breathing.
> 4. The nasal congestion is not like the normal kind. You feel like you're 
> drowning. It's imperative you then seek immediate attention.
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Re: OT Covid-19

2020-03-21 Thread mike wilson

Advice from a virologist, allegedly.  Makes sense to me.

The new Coronavirus may not show sign of infection for many days. How can one 
know if he/she is infected? By the time they have a fever and/or cough and go 
to the hospital, the lung is usually 50% Fibrosis and it's too late. Taiwan 
experts provide a simple self-check that we can do every morning. Take a deep 
breath and hold your breath for more than 10 seconds. If you complete it 
successfully without coughing, without discomfort, stiffness or tightness, 
etc., it proves there is no Fibrosis in the lungs, basically indicates no 
infection. In a critical time, please self-check every morning in an 
environment with clean air. Serious excellent advice by Japanese doctors 
treating COVID-19 cases: Everyone should ensure your mouth & throat are moist, 
never dry. Take a few sips of water every 15 minutes at least. Why? Even if the 
virus gets into your mouth, drinking water or other liquids will wash them down 
through your throat and into the stomach. Once there, your stomach acid will 
kill all the virus. If you don't drink enough water more regularly, the virus 
can enter your windpipe and into the lungs. That's very dangerous. 

IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT - CORONAVIRUS
1. If you have a runny nose and sputum, you have a common cold
2. Coronavirus pneumonia is a dry cough with no runny nose.
3. This new virus is not heat-resistant and will be killed by a temperature of 
just 26/27 degrees. It hates the Sun.
4. If someone sneezes with it, it takes about 10 feet before it drops to the 
ground and is no longer airborne.
5. If it drops on a metal surface it will live for at least 12 hours - so if 
you come into contact with any metal surface - wash your hands as soon as you 
can with a bacterial soap.
6. On fabric, it can survive for 6-12 hours. normal laundry detergent will kill 
it.
7. Drinking warm water is effective for all viruses. Try not to drink liquids 
with ice.
8. Wash your hands frequently as the virus can only live on your hands for 5-10 
minutes, but - a lot can happen during that time - you can rub your eyes, pick 
your nose unwittingly and so on.
9. You should also gargle as prevention. A simple solution of salt in warm 
water will suffice.
10. Can't emphasis enough - drink plenty of water!
SYMPTOMS
1. It will first infect the throat, so you'll have a sore throat lasting 3/4 
days
2. The virus then blends into a nasal fluid that enters the trachea and then 
the lungs, causing pneumonia. This takes about 5/6 days further.
3. With the pneumonia comes high fever and difficulty in breathing.
4. The nasal congestion is not like the normal kind. You feel like you're 
drowning. It's imperative you then seek immediate attention.

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2020-03-19 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

Day Three in lockdown, Morning Thoughts

Most of the SF Bay Area is now operating on 'Shelter at Home' ordinances. Other 
than essential business and life support, travel to places is curtailed. Most 
places where you'd want to go and hang out (theaters, cafes, restaurants, bars, 
clubs, etc) are closed; restaurants are operating for take out only in most 
cases. Any public place is operating with Social Distancing rules. Businesses 
operating (usually on limited hours) generally have signs out front that allow 
only minimal walk-in access at a given time. 

I went to the grocery store yesterday to pick up some vitamins and maybe bread, 
if there was any. I had no problem getting the vitamins I needed (although the 
stock was way down), but the bread section was completely bare. I suspect the 
panic buying will slow over the next week, and restock will allow more normal 
access to such supplies. I have enough bread to last for five to eight days on 
our normal cycle, and have ingredients to bake bread that will extend our needs 
if required. There seems to be plenty of the usual produce and other 
short-lived foods available.

I've pretty much covered my motorcycle and fitted the battery tender for the 
duration. I'll use the car for any essential travel for grocery or medical 
needs. I can do the essentials of my physical training workouts, sans weight 
lifting, in the living room. Being retired, I have plenty of things to do 
around the house and won't be idle or bored: I have my photography, piano, 
books, writing, and movies to keep me busy and entertained. Video conferencing, 
txting, msging, etc with friends both local and around the world is a boon.  

The bright spot is that, according to the local ordinance, outdoor activity for 
exercise is permissible as long as the requirements of social distancing (with 
other than family) are met ... "examples without limitation: walking, jogging, 
running" are listed ... Well, I use a bicycle for my outdoor exercise and that 
is indeed a solitary activity—I really don't want to be within six feet of 
pedestrians or other vehicles when I'm riding a bicycle! So I can continue my 
daily rides albeit without the pleasure of stopping at restaurants/cafes for a 
break and a chat with whomever else might be there. And it's safe, at least for 
the present.

I took a bicycle ride yesterday: A brief stop at the bicycle shop to pick up 
the things I'd ordered that were waiting for me, and then a hour's 15 mile 
circuit around a loop that I've been riding for the past four years. Pedestrian 
traffic was very light, automotive traffic also, and some stretches were quite 
desolate. There were sporadic pockets of others doing their outdoor exercise; 
most waved hello in passing, which was nice. It is sad to see this desolation 
in our usually active and vibrant communities, but if it helps slow and reduce 
the spread of this plague—and ultimately defeat it—so be it. 

We're all in this one together, world wide. Stay safe, stay healthy, do what 
you can in compliance with the ordinances, don't succumb to panic and fear, and 
endure. Working together, we will survive and prosper; at odds with each other, 
we'll die. It's that simple. 



G
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2020-03-18 Thread mike wilson

My conference cancelled, so no Spartaci in Londinium this weekend.  Keep safe, 
everyone.

> On 18 March 2020 at 11:10 pdm...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> 
> I've been commuting to work at home this week, and for the foreseeable. This
> means I cycle into Central London and back again, then start working at
> home, so that I still get an hour's exercise and (fresh?*) air, and I have a
> psychological moment between home and work. 
> 
> So far the motor traffic is not significantly different from normal, and
> certainly not on the order of difference I see during school holidays (the
> schools here are still open). 
> 
> When I pass the tube and railway stations they are empty, so it looks as if
> people have abandoned public transport and those who still have to come to
> town are using their cars instead. 
> 
> There are noticeably fewer cyclists, which I expect is because they are not
> doing a pseudo-commute like me. 
> 
> *Perhaps when the motor traffic dies down I really will get some fresh air.
> 
> I also have the river as a place for walks. People around, but generally on
> their own and keeping their distance.
> 
> It's very important for people to get outside and get some vitamin D, which
> boosts the immune system.
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: PDML  On Behalf Of Ralf R Radermacher
> > Sent: 18 March 2020 09:01
> > To: pdml@pdml.net
> > Subject: Re: OT Covid-19
> > 
> > Am 18.03.20 um 03:04 schrieb ann sanfedele:
> > 
> > >   There are a few things that I consider a bit of a benefit... NYC on
> > > st Patricks day, is worse than NEw Years eve and Santa-con - the
> > > drunken sots usually screaming well into the night outside my window are
> > gone.
> > 
> > Same here, although sans St Patricks day. We live in the city centre and
> > there's a celestial peace outside. Haven't been woken up in the middle of
> the
> > night by some idiots yelling around and now it's about as calm as
> > 7 a.m. on Xmas day. No noise, very few cars, no fumes from the kitchens of
> > the many restaurants around us. A dream if it weren't for the
> circumstances.
> > 
> > And we aren't even in lockdown yet.
> > 
> > All the rest is business as usual. We've been working at home for almost
> > 40 years, long before the term home office was even thought of. Still
> enough
> > work. No probs so far.
> > 
> > The only thing we'll really be missing is Easter in Dunkirk.
> > 
> > All the best to you and the other good people of the PDML.

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2020-03-18 Thread Paul Stenquist

I’ve commuted yo work at home ever since I left my last agency job 12 years 
ago. For years it was a three-mile jog, later a two-mile walk, now a 30-foot 
shuffle from kitchen to office. When my health improves I plan to get back to a 
one-mile walk.

Paul

> On Mar 18, 2020, at 7:11 AM, pdm...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> I've been commuting to work at home this week, and for the foreseeable. This
> means I cycle into Central London and back again, then start working at
> home, so that I still get an hour's exercise and (fresh?*) air, and I have a
> psychological moment between home and work. 
> 
> So far the motor traffic is not significantly different from normal, and
> certainly not on the order of difference I see during school holidays (the
> schools here are still open). 
> 
> When I pass the tube and railway stations they are empty, so it looks as if
> people have abandoned public transport and those who still have to come to
> town are using their cars instead. 
> 
> There are noticeably fewer cyclists, which I expect is because they are not
> doing a pseudo-commute like me. 
> 
> *Perhaps when the motor traffic dies down I really will get some fresh air.
> 
> I also have the river as a place for walks. People around, but generally on
> their own and keeping their distance.
> 
> It's very important for people to get outside and get some vitamin D, which
> boosts the immune system.
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: PDML  On Behalf Of Ralf R Radermacher
>> Sent: 18 March 2020 09:01
>> To: pdml@pdml.net
>> Subject: Re: OT Covid-19
>> 
>>> Am 18.03.20 um 03:04 schrieb ann sanfedele:
>>> 
>>>  There are a few things that I consider a bit of a benefit... NYC on
>>> st Patricks day, is worse than NEw Years eve and Santa-con - the
>>> drunken sots usually screaming well into the night outside my window are
>> gone.
>> 
>> Same here, although sans St Patricks day. We live in the city centre and
>> there's a celestial peace outside. Haven't been woken up in the middle of
> the
>> night by some idiots yelling around and now it's about as calm as
>> 7 a.m. on Xmas day. No noise, very few cars, no fumes from the kitchens of
>> the many restaurants around us. A dream if it weren't for the
> circumstances.
>> 
>> And we aren't even in lockdown yet.
>> 
>> All the rest is business as usual. We've been working at home for almost
>> 40 years, long before the term home office was even thought of. Still
> enough
>> work. No probs so far.
>> 
>> The only thing we'll really be missing is Easter in Dunkirk.
>> 
>> All the best to you and the other good people of the PDML.
>> 
>> Ralf
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RE: OT Covid-19

2020-03-18 Thread pdmlbw

I've been commuting to work at home this week, and for the foreseeable. This
means I cycle into Central London and back again, then start working at
home, so that I still get an hour's exercise and (fresh?*) air, and I have a
psychological moment between home and work. 

So far the motor traffic is not significantly different from normal, and
certainly not on the order of difference I see during school holidays (the
schools here are still open). 

When I pass the tube and railway stations they are empty, so it looks as if
people have abandoned public transport and those who still have to come to
town are using their cars instead. 

There are noticeably fewer cyclists, which I expect is because they are not
doing a pseudo-commute like me. 

*Perhaps when the motor traffic dies down I really will get some fresh air.

I also have the river as a place for walks. People around, but generally on
their own and keeping their distance.

It's very important for people to get outside and get some vitamin D, which
boosts the immune system.

> -Original Message-
> From: PDML  On Behalf Of Ralf R Radermacher
> Sent: 18 March 2020 09:01
> To: pdml@pdml.net
> Subject: Re: OT Covid-19
> 
> Am 18.03.20 um 03:04 schrieb ann sanfedele:
> 
> >   There are a few things that I consider a bit of a benefit... NYC on
> > st Patricks day, is worse than NEw Years eve and Santa-con - the
> > drunken sots usually screaming well into the night outside my window are
> gone.
> 
> Same here, although sans St Patricks day. We live in the city centre and
> there's a celestial peace outside. Haven't been woken up in the middle of
the
> night by some idiots yelling around and now it's about as calm as
> 7 a.m. on Xmas day. No noise, very few cars, no fumes from the kitchens of
> the many restaurants around us. A dream if it weren't for the
circumstances.
> 
> And we aren't even in lockdown yet.
> 
> All the rest is business as usual. We've been working at home for almost
> 40 years, long before the term home office was even thought of. Still
enough
> work. No probs so far.
> 
> The only thing we'll really be missing is Easter in Dunkirk.
> 
> All the best to you and the other good people of the PDML.
> 
> Ralf
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Re: OT Covid-19

2020-03-18 Thread David Mann

Turns out I had my wires crossed.  The person I know is not being tested; it's 
the person they were in contact with who's being tested (and is thus not 
necessarily positive).  They'd shown symptoms after returning to Australia so 
obviously fit the testing criteria there.

It turns out that sometimes it does pay to listen to your wife.

Cheers,
Dave

> On Mar 18, 2020, at 2:02 AM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> My not being able to be tested is not at all surprising  - there are simply 
> not enough tests available and if I were not symptomatic it would come up 
> negative anyway we are told.  We try to stay a-political here on the list but 
> there are a few reasons there are not more test kits or test sites and they 
> lead back to our   ... well, you know who. If I get the typical symptoms I'll 
> stay home and take care of myself  - I've had my pneumonia shots and I'm 
> really quite healthy.  Have neighbors and friends who will check on me while 
> keeping their distance. I'm more worried about the neighbor who was with me 
> that day and is sick now, but getting better - she appears not to have  the 
> key symptoms of #19 but has allergies on top of a head cold.
> 
> 
> 
> On 3/17/2020 2:56 AM, David Mann wrote:
>> On Mar 17, 2020, at 5:00 AM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
>> 
>>> I'm seven days past being in the presence of someone who may have the 
>>> virus.. feel good. Paul, so glad you got tested  that seems smart
>>> I couldn't be tested even if I wanted to here because I have no symptoms...
>> I'm surprised you're not able to be tested.  I know someone who's been 
>> tested after being in contact with someone who subsequently tested positive. 
>>  They have no symptoms but are self-isolating until the results come through.
>> 
>> We currently have 11 known cases in NZ and the country is grinding to a halt 
>> with lots of events being cancelled.  The government is taking it very 
>> seriously with all inbound travellers being required to self-isolate for 14 
>> days under threat of deportation.  Gatherings / events of > 500 people are 
>> no longer allowed.
>> 
>> Haven't seen much in the way of panic buying here except for hand sanitiser 
>> and antibacterial soap.  There was lots of TP in stock the other day.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Dave
>> 
>> 
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2020-03-18 Thread Ralf R Radermacher


Am 18.03.20 um 03:04 schrieb ann sanfedele:


  There are a few things that I consider a bit of a benefit... NYC on st
Patricks day, is worse than NEw Years eve and Santa-con - the drunken
sots usually screaming well into the night outside my window are gone.


Same here, although sans St Patricks day. We live in the city centre and
there's a celestial peace outside. Haven't been woken up in the middle
of the night by some idiots yelling around and now it's about as calm as
7 a.m. on Xmas day. No noise, very few cars, no fumes from the kitchens
of the many restaurants around us. A dream if it weren't for the
circumstances.

And we aren't even in lockdown yet.

All the rest is business as usual. We've been working at home for almost
40 years, long before the term home office was even thought of. Still
enough work. No probs so far.

The only thing we'll really be missing is Easter in Dunkirk.

All the best to you and the other good people of the PDML.

Ralf

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Re: OT Covid-19

2020-03-17 Thread John Francis

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 09:38:27PM -0400, John wrote:
> How are they handling things like taking the dog outside to walk & do his
> business? I'm settled in for the long haul now, but the dog is going to need
> to go outside twice a day.

I can only answer for California, but here the actual facts at the press
conference were explained as "You can go out for a walk, or take your dog
for a walk.  You can be accompanied by members of your household.  You can
even be accompanied by non-family as long as you stay at least 6' apart."
(this was from a CDC official, I believe, rather than one of the politicians).

It has since been clarified that you can ride a bike around the neighbourhood.

It's unclear whether these are universal exemptions, or if there are tighter
rules for those of us who are "high risk" (over 65, overweight, diabetic,
asthmatic, in poor health, ...).  I check off a lot of those, as does my wife.

There is also some concern that keeping seniors confined too rigidly is itself
problematic; it can lead to depression, and to losing interest in keeping alive.

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Let's hope all the idiot had was a bad cold... or allergies.   ugh!

ann



On 3/17/2020 10:01 PM, John wrote:
The "plan" here seems to be to stretch it out for as long as possible 
so we don't have everyone descending on the hospitals at one time.


I'm resigned that I'm probably going to come down with it sooner 
rather than later. I had to do my grocery shopping today, mainly 
because I'd run out of milk and I can't get my meds down without it.


I was doing Ok until some delinquent, millennial *ASSHOLE* coughed on 
me; didn't even try to cover his mouth. I managed to turn away before 
he could cough on me a second time, but I'm afraid the damage is done.


I don't have a face mask, and I thought wearing my cartridge 
respirator was a bit over the top, so I took a bandana to cover my 
nose & mouth in approved western movie train-robber fashion & wore a 
pair of the disposable gloves I have for handling the nasty jobs that 
go along with the home repairs I've been doing.


I hope that will be enough.

I've been doing all the hand washing & other protocols that are 
supposed to help me to keep from being the source for someone else.


Now I'm all depressed because I think it's no longer a question of IF, 
but how long before I'll get sick.


On 3/17/2020 11:39:16, Boris Liberman wrote:

Currently we have approx 300 confirmed cases. Now, authorities published
some stats. Out of these 300, several dozen that were tested and 
confirmed

have no symptoms whatsoever...

So, at least here they say that they need all these measures only to 
keep
health system from total crash... They are probably saving lives as 
direct
side effect of these measures, and they say so, but the underlying 
reason

is more pragmatic...

Deep sigh... The world will never be the same again...

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020, 17:31 Boris Liberman  wrote:


My heart goes for both of you, Larry and Peter.

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020, 17:28 Stanley Halpin 


wrote:





On Mar 16, 2020, at 10:17 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:


On Mar 16, 2020, at 6:41 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi 


wrote:


A six-county-wide mandate has put me under Covid-19 House Arrest

today. I'm not supposed to leave home for anything other than "living
essentials" like grocery shopping, particularly since I'm a 
"senior". Until

April 7th…


Make that seven counties, Santa Cruz County is going to shelter in

place. On the bright side, if I can get off my ass, I guess I have an
opportunity to make some progress on a few of the crisis around the 
house.


Meanwhile, unrelated to covid-19, I was woken this morning by a text
from my sister. Mom is declining, despite the home being on 
lockdown they
were working on procedures for her to be with Mom at the end, 
unless of
course Mom pulls through again.  A 1700 mile drive, however, is out 
of the
question.  I’ve pretty much said goodbye for the last time every 
time I’ve

seen her for just over three years, and she wouldn’t even know I was
there.  I do wish I could be there for my sister though.


All things considered, Mom passing is the best thing for everyone
involved, especially her, or what’s left of her.  She’s been my mom 
less
and less, and less and less of the time since she broke her hip. I 
just
wish that her passing could go better than it looks like it will, 
though I

honestly don’t think she’ll know the difference.




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Sorry to hear about your mother Larry. I saw my Mom’s decline from 
afar
with just occasional visits. I saw Meg’s mother’s decline over the 
7 years
we were with her after we moved to her house. No matter the 
circumstances,

it is hard on everyone during and after.

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Damn Bob. You are so fn' considerate. I wish *ALL* my friends were just like 
you.


On 3/16/2020 18:09:07, Bob Pdml wrote:

One of my friends is self-isolating so I recommended this, which the Amazon 
fairy should deliver to him tomorrow.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Plague



On 16 Mar 2020, at 00:24, Postmaster  wrote:

 wrote:


Yes, the zombie apocalypse is clearly imminent


I've got "Shaun of the Dead" lined up for tonight!





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LArry - I definitely understand about your sister... it's a rough go 
being a caregiver.


ann

On 3/17/2020 9:58 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

On Mar 17, 2020, at 6:42 PM, John  wrote:

And your Mom, that's really hard.

I was lucky that when my Mom's time came she was only sick for a couple of weeks 
& lucid right up the very end. She got to go quietly, with dignity at home the 
way she wanted it.

My dad was in the hospital for only a few weeks and was pretty much lucid up 
until the end, but that’s another story.

I hope your Mom will have an easier time of it than you're expecting.

My sister has been reporting my mom being in good spirits, though she’s been 
rather out of it the last couple days I heard anything.  To be honest, Mom has 
the easy part, it’s my sister I’m worried about.

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John -
note that he said "except for essentials"  - We are in the same 
situation in NY except not quite as severely - I'm sure taking the dog 
out for exercise and a walk and his "duty" is considered necessary.
 There are a few things that I consider a bit of a benefit... NYC on st 
Patricks day, is worse than NEw Years eve and Santa-con - the drunken 
sots usually screaming well into the night outside my window are gone.  
No loud music, no shouting revelers well into the predawn hours on the 
roof of the building next door or the deck below my bedroom window 
(illegal deck) and practically in my downstairs neighbor's apt.


Maybe NYU will stay closed for the semester.. ;-)

ann


On 3/17/2020 9:38 PM, John wrote:
How are they handling things like taking the dog outside to walk & do 
his business? I'm settled in for the long haul now, but the dog is 
going to need to go outside twice a day.


And to be honest, I need the exercise I get from walking him down to 
the park and back. We go down to the park because there's a garbage 
can there where I can drop off the plastic bag I've collected his poo in.


On 3/16/2020 22:17:04, Larry Colen wrote:



On Mar 16, 2020, at 6:41 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi 
wrote:

A six-county-wide mandate has put me under Covid-19 House Arrest 
today. I'm
not supposed to leave home for anything other than "living 
essentials" like

grocery shopping, particularly since I'm a "senior". Until April 7th…


Make that seven counties, Santa Cruz County is going to shelter in 
place. On
the bright side, if I can get off my ass, I guess I have an 
opportunity to

make some progress on a few of the crisis around the house.

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The "plan" here seems to be to stretch it out for as long as possible so we 
don't have everyone descending on the hospitals at one time.


I'm resigned that I'm probably going to come down with it sooner rather than 
later. I had to do my grocery shopping today, mainly because I'd run out of milk 
and I can't get my meds down without it.


I was doing Ok until some delinquent, millennial *ASSHOLE* coughed on me; didn't 
even try to cover his mouth. I managed to turn away before he could cough on me 
a second time, but I'm afraid the damage is done.


I don't have a face mask, and I thought wearing my cartridge respirator was a 
bit over the top, so I took a bandana to cover my nose & mouth in approved 
western movie train-robber fashion & wore a pair of the disposable gloves I have 
for handling the nasty jobs that go along with the home repairs I've been doing.


I hope that will be enough.

I've been doing all the hand washing & other protocols that are supposed to help 
me to keep from being the source for someone else.


Now I'm all depressed because I think it's no longer a question of IF, but how 
long before I'll get sick.


On 3/17/2020 11:39:16, Boris Liberman wrote:

Currently we have approx 300 confirmed cases. Now, authorities published
some stats. Out of these 300, several dozen that were tested and confirmed
have no symptoms whatsoever...

So, at least here they say that they need all these measures only to keep
health system from total crash... They are probably saving lives as direct
side effect of these measures, and they say so, but the underlying reason
is more pragmatic...

Deep sigh... The world will never be the same again...

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020, 17:31 Boris Liberman  wrote:


My heart goes for both of you, Larry and Peter.

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020, 17:28 Stanley Halpin 
wrote:





On Mar 16, 2020, at 10:17 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:



On Mar 16, 2020, at 6:41 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi 

wrote:


A six-county-wide mandate has put me under Covid-19 House Arrest

today. I'm not supposed to leave home for anything other than "living
essentials" like grocery shopping, particularly since I'm a "senior". Until
April 7th…


Make that seven counties, Santa Cruz County is going to shelter in

place. On the bright side, if I can get off my ass, I guess I have an
opportunity to make some progress on a few of the crisis around the house.


Meanwhile, unrelated to covid-19, I was woken this morning by a text

from my sister. Mom is declining, despite the home being on lockdown they
were working on procedures for her to be with Mom at the end, unless of
course Mom pulls through again.  A 1700 mile drive, however, is out of the
question.  I’ve pretty much said goodbye for the last time every time I’ve
seen her for just over three years, and she wouldn’t even know I was
there.  I do wish I could be there for my sister though.


All things considered, Mom passing is the best thing for everyone

involved, especially her, or what’s left of her.  She’s been my mom less
and less, and less and less of the time since she broke her hip. I just
wish that her passing could go better than it looks like it will, though I
honestly don’t think she’ll know the difference.




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Sorry to hear about your mother Larry. I saw my Mom’s decline from afar
with just occasional visits. I saw Meg’s mother’s decline over the 7 years
we were with her after we moved to her house. No matter the circumstances,
it is hard on everyone during and after.

Stan




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2020-03-17 Thread Larry Colen


> On Mar 17, 2020, at 6:42 PM, John  wrote:
> 
> And your Mom, that's really hard.
> 
> I was lucky that when my Mom's time came she was only sick for a couple of 
> weeks & lucid right up the very end. She got to go quietly, with dignity at 
> home the way she wanted it.

My dad was in the hospital for only a few weeks and was pretty much lucid up 
until the end, but that’s another story.
> 
> I hope your Mom will have an easier time of it than you're expecting.

My sister has been reporting my mom being in good spirits, though she’s been 
rather out of it the last couple days I heard anything.  To be honest, Mom has 
the easy part, it’s my sister I’m worried about.

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And your Mom, that's really hard.

I was lucky that when my Mom's time came she was only sick for a couple of weeks 
& lucid right up the very end. She got to go quietly, with dignity at home the 
way she wanted it.


I hope your Mom will have an easier time of it than you're expecting.

On 3/16/2020 22:17:04, Larry Colen wrote:



On Mar 16, 2020, at 6:41 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi 
wrote:

A six-county-wide mandate has put me under Covid-19 House Arrest today. I'm
not supposed to leave home for anything other than "living essentials" like
grocery shopping, particularly since I'm a "senior". Until April 7th…


Make that seven counties, Santa Cruz County is going to shelter in place. On
the bright side, if I can get off my ass, I guess I have an opportunity to
make some progress on a few of the crisis around the house.

Meanwhile, unrelated to covid-19, I was woken this morning by a text from my
sister. Mom is declining, despite the home being on lockdown they were
working on procedures for her to be with Mom at the end, unless of course Mom
pulls through again.  A 1700 mile drive, however, is out of the question.
I’ve pretty much said goodbye for the last time every time I’ve seen her for
just over three years, and she wouldn’t even know I was there.  I do wish I
could be there for my sister though.

All things considered, Mom passing is the best thing for everyone involved,
especially her, or what’s left of her.  She’s been my mom less and less, and
less and less of the time since she broke her hip. I just wish that her
passing could go better than it looks like it will, though I honestly don’t
think she’ll know the difference.



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How are they handling things like taking the dog outside to walk & do his 
business? I'm settled in for the long haul now, but the dog is going to need to 
go outside twice a day.


And to be honest, I need the exercise I get from walking him down to the park 
and back. We go down to the park because there's a garbage can there where I can 
drop off the plastic bag I've collected his poo in.


On 3/16/2020 22:17:04, Larry Colen wrote:



On Mar 16, 2020, at 6:41 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi 
wrote:

A six-county-wide mandate has put me under Covid-19 House Arrest today. I'm
not supposed to leave home for anything other than "living essentials" like
grocery shopping, particularly since I'm a "senior". Until April 7th…


Make that seven counties, Santa Cruz County is going to shelter in place. On
the bright side, if I can get off my ass, I guess I have an opportunity to
make some progress on a few of the crisis around the house.

Meanwhile, unrelated to covid-19, I was woken this morning by a text from my
sister. Mom is declining, despite the home being on lockdown they were
working on procedures for her to be with Mom at the end, unless of course Mom
pulls through again.  A 1700 mile drive, however, is out of the question.
I’ve pretty much said goodbye for the last time every time I’ve seen her for
just over three years, and she wouldn’t even know I was there.  I do wish I
could be there for my sister though.

All things considered, Mom passing is the best thing for everyone involved,
especially her, or what’s left of her.  She’s been my mom less and less, and
less and less of the time since she broke her hip. I just wish that her
passing could go better than it looks like it will, though I honestly don’t
think she’ll know the difference.



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Re: OT Covid-19

2020-03-17 Thread Brian W

Testing downunder is also restricted.  You need to have cold or flu symptoms AND
either been in contact with a confirmed case or arrived in Australia from
overseas.  I have the cold but not either of the other criteria.

Discretion being called for, I'm staying home for the time being.  Time to work
on my backlog of photos...

Larry & PJ.  My condolences.  I lost my parents some time ago now but it I know
the emotions that you will be feeling. Best wishes.

Brian  


> On 18 March 2020 at 00:02 ann sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> 
> My not being able to be tested is not at all surprising  - there are 
> simply not enough tests available and if I were not symptomatic it would 
> come up negative anyway we are told.  We try to stay a-political here on 
> the list but there are a few reasons there are not more test kits or 
> test sites and they lead back to our   ... well, you know who. If I get 
> the typical symptoms I'll stay home and take care of myself  - I've had 
> my pneumonia shots and I'm really quite healthy.  Have neighbors and 
> friends who will check on me while keeping their distance. I'm more 
> worried about the neighbor who was with me that day and is sick now, but 
> getting better - she appears not to have  the key symptoms of #19 but 
> has allergies on top of a head cold.
> 
> 
> 
> On 3/17/2020 2:56 AM, David Mann wrote:
> > On Mar 17, 2020, at 5:00 AM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> >
> >> I'm seven days past being in the presence of someone who may have the
> >> virus.. feel good. Paul, so glad you got tested  that seems smart
> >> I couldn't be tested even if I wanted to here because I have no symptoms...
> > I'm surprised you're not able to be tested.  I know someone who's been
> > tested after being in contact with someone who subsequently tested positive.
> >  They have no symptoms but are self-isolating until the results come
> > through.
> >
> > We currently have 11 known cases in NZ and the country is grinding to a halt
> > with lots of events being cancelled.  The government is taking it very
> > seriously with all inbound travellers being required to self-isolate for 14
> > days under threat of deportation.  Gatherings / events of > 500 people are
> > no longer allowed.
> >
> > Haven't seen much in the way of panic buying here except for hand sanitiser
> > and antibacterial soap.  There was lots of TP in stock the other day.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Dave
> >
> >
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Re: OT Covid-19

2020-03-17 Thread Carlos R

My condolences, Larry. My mother died 4 months ago, and I know how you
feel. She was 88 and since the summer it was obvious the end of her life
was arriving, but it is always difficult to say goodbye.

El mar., 17 mar. 2020 3:44, Larry Colen  escribió:

>
> > On Mar 16, 2020, at 7:28 PM, Daniel J. Matyola 
> wrote:
> >
> > Sorry about your mother's medical situation, Larry.  I hope and pray
> things
> > work out best for her and your famiy.
>
> Thanks Dan.  I know how it’ll end, and I know it’ll be the best.  I just
> hope that the bits between now and then are as easy for her, and especially
> my sister, as possible.
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Re: OT Covid-19

2020-03-17 Thread Stanley Halpin

> On Mar 17, 2020, at 11:27 AM, Stanley Halpin  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 16, 2020, at 10:17 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 16, 2020, at 6:41 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> A six-county-wide mandate has put me under Covid-19 House Arrest today. I'm 
>>> not supposed to leave home for anything other than "living essentials" like 
>>> grocery shopping, particularly since I'm a "senior". Until April 7th… 
>> 
>> Make that seven counties, Santa Cruz County is going to shelter in place. On 
>> the bright side, if I can get off my ass, I guess I have an opportunity to 
>> make some progress on a few of the crisis around the house.
>> 
>> Meanwhile, unrelated to covid-19, I was woken this morning by a text from my 
>> sister. Mom is declining, despite the home being on lockdown they were 
>> working on procedures for her to be with Mom at the end, unless of course 
>> Mom pulls through again.  A 1700 mile drive, however, is out of the 
>> question.  I’ve pretty much said goodbye for the last time every time I’ve 
>> seen her for just over three years, and she wouldn’t even know I was there.  
>> I do wish I could be there for my sister though.
>> 
>> All things considered, Mom passing is the best thing for everyone involved, 
>> especially her, or what’s left of her.  She’s been my mom less and less, and 
>> less and less of the time since she broke her hip. I just wish that her 
>> passing could go better than it looks like it will, though I honestly don’t 
>> think she’ll know the difference. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Larry Colen
>> l...@red4est.com
>> 
>> 
> 
> Sorry to hear about your mother Larry. I saw my Mom’s decline from afar with 
> just occasional visits. I saw Meg’s mother’s decline over the 7 years we were 
> with her after we moved to her house. No matter the circumstances, it is hard 
> on everyone during and after.
> 
> Stan
> 

And P.J. And Paul. And John Coyle. And… Many of us are of an age where we have 
lost parents and friends and other relatives. When I was young and foolish I 
did not understand the phrase “keep them alive in your memories.” But as I very 
slowly mature I have found that to be comforting.

Meanwhile, on the streets of a small-mid sized city in the upper midwest U.S. I 
have ventured out twice in the last few days. Saturday I started thinking that 
the State Government might recommend or require that non-essential businesses 
should close for x number of days. I wasn’t sure if they would realize that 
liquor stores ARE essential. So we made a run to our local, got a small stock 
of wines and tequila and gourmet cheeses. This morning we went to our grocery 
store. A half basket of goods for us, a bit less for the local food 
pantry/shelter operation.

Some of the things I hadn’t thought about before the apocalypse arrived: if the 
shelter house is no longer serving their typical 20-30 person sit-down meal, 
and shifting instead to a “box lunch” carry-out strategy, then my usual 
occasional donation of cans of beans or sliced peaches aren’t going to be very 
useful to them. And that jar of coffee creamer they have in the center of the 
table is going to stay inside on the table. I was able to find a couple of 
boxes of individual packets of creamer, a few packages of individual servings 
of peaches, pears.

Not under any lock-down here, but a definite slow-down amid some mandatory 
closures of, e.g., restaurants and bars. Our state governor had been scheduled 
to be here at one of our favorite restaurants yesterday evening for the 
election-kickoff fundraising event of one of the local politicians. That was 
cancelled of course. I had been looking forward to meeting her. Dentist called 
to postpone my appointment for tomorrow. Not sure what might happen with my 
haircut appointment on Thursday. So we will hunker down, be grateful for our 
well-stocked pantry, and try to come up with alternate plans in the likelihood 
that our travel plans for this year and next are likely to be scrambled. And I 
might even go back into some of the Lightroom work that has been hanging there 
since last fall…

Take care everyone, and wash your hands!

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Re: OT Covid-19

2020-03-17 Thread Boris Liberman

Currently we have approx 300 confirmed cases. Now, authorities published
some stats. Out of these 300, several dozen that were tested and confirmed
have no symptoms whatsoever...

So, at least here they say that they need all these measures only to keep
health system from total crash... They are probably saving lives as direct
side effect of these measures, and they say so, but the underlying reason
is more pragmatic...

Deep sigh... The world will never be the same again...

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020, 17:31 Boris Liberman  wrote:

> My heart goes for both of you, Larry and Peter.
>
> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020, 17:28 Stanley Halpin 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> > On Mar 16, 2020, at 10:17 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >> On Mar 16, 2020, at 6:41 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi 
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> A six-county-wide mandate has put me under Covid-19 House Arrest
>> today. I'm not supposed to leave home for anything other than "living
>> essentials" like grocery shopping, particularly since I'm a "senior". Until
>> April 7th…
>> >
>> > Make that seven counties, Santa Cruz County is going to shelter in
>> place. On the bright side, if I can get off my ass, I guess I have an
>> opportunity to make some progress on a few of the crisis around the house.
>> >
>> > Meanwhile, unrelated to covid-19, I was woken this morning by a text
>> from my sister. Mom is declining, despite the home being on lockdown they
>> were working on procedures for her to be with Mom at the end, unless of
>> course Mom pulls through again.  A 1700 mile drive, however, is out of the
>> question.  I’ve pretty much said goodbye for the last time every time I’ve
>> seen her for just over three years, and she wouldn’t even know I was
>> there.  I do wish I could be there for my sister though.
>> >
>> > All things considered, Mom passing is the best thing for everyone
>> involved, especially her, or what’s left of her.  She’s been my mom less
>> and less, and less and less of the time since she broke her hip. I just
>> wish that her passing could go better than it looks like it will, though I
>> honestly don’t think she’ll know the difference.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
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>> > l...@red4est.com
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Sorry to hear about your mother Larry. I saw my Mom’s decline from afar
>> with just occasional visits. I saw Meg’s mother’s decline over the 7 years
>> we were with her after we moved to her house. No matter the circumstances,
>> it is hard on everyone during and after.
>>
>> Stan
>>
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2020-03-17 Thread Boris Liberman

My heart goes for both of you, Larry and Peter.

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020, 17:28 Stanley Halpin 
wrote:

>
>
> > On Mar 16, 2020, at 10:17 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> >
> >
> >> On Mar 16, 2020, at 6:41 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> A six-county-wide mandate has put me under Covid-19 House Arrest today.
> I'm not supposed to leave home for anything other than "living essentials"
> like grocery shopping, particularly since I'm a "senior". Until April 7th…
> >
> > Make that seven counties, Santa Cruz County is going to shelter in
> place. On the bright side, if I can get off my ass, I guess I have an
> opportunity to make some progress on a few of the crisis around the house.
> >
> > Meanwhile, unrelated to covid-19, I was woken this morning by a text
> from my sister. Mom is declining, despite the home being on lockdown they
> were working on procedures for her to be with Mom at the end, unless of
> course Mom pulls through again.  A 1700 mile drive, however, is out of the
> question.  I’ve pretty much said goodbye for the last time every time I’ve
> seen her for just over three years, and she wouldn’t even know I was
> there.  I do wish I could be there for my sister though.
> >
> > All things considered, Mom passing is the best thing for everyone
> involved, especially her, or what’s left of her.  She’s been my mom less
> and less, and less and less of the time since she broke her hip. I just
> wish that her passing could go better than it looks like it will, though I
> honestly don’t think she’ll know the difference.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
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> > l...@red4est.com
> >
> >
>
> Sorry to hear about your mother Larry. I saw my Mom’s decline from afar
> with just occasional visits. I saw Meg’s mother’s decline over the 7 years
> we were with her after we moved to her house. No matter the circumstances,
> it is hard on everyone during and after.
>
> Stan
>
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Re: OT Covid-19

2020-03-17 Thread Stanley Halpin



> On Mar 16, 2020, at 10:17 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Mar 16, 2020, at 6:41 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
>> 
>> A six-county-wide mandate has put me under Covid-19 House Arrest today. I'm 
>> not supposed to leave home for anything other than "living essentials" like 
>> grocery shopping, particularly since I'm a "senior". Until April 7th… 
> 
> Make that seven counties, Santa Cruz County is going to shelter in place. On 
> the bright side, if I can get off my ass, I guess I have an opportunity to 
> make some progress on a few of the crisis around the house.
> 
> Meanwhile, unrelated to covid-19, I was woken this morning by a text from my 
> sister. Mom is declining, despite the home being on lockdown they were 
> working on procedures for her to be with Mom at the end, unless of course Mom 
> pulls through again.  A 1700 mile drive, however, is out of the question.  
> I’ve pretty much said goodbye for the last time every time I’ve seen her for 
> just over three years, and she wouldn’t even know I was there.  I do wish I 
> could be there for my sister though.
> 
> All things considered, Mom passing is the best thing for everyone involved, 
> especially her, or what’s left of her.  She’s been my mom less and less, and 
> less and less of the time since she broke her hip. I just wish that her 
> passing could go better than it looks like it will, though I honestly don’t 
> think she’ll know the difference. 
> 
> 
> 
> --
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> l...@red4est.com
> 
> 

Sorry to hear about your mother Larry. I saw my Mom’s decline from afar with 
just occasional visits. I saw Meg’s mother’s decline over the 7 years we were 
with her after we moved to her house. No matter the circumstances, it is hard 
on everyone during and after.

Stan


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2020-03-17 Thread Stanley Halpin




> On Mar 16, 2020, at 6:09 PM, Bob Pdml  wrote:
> 
> One of my friends is self-isolating so I recommended this, which the Amazon 
> fairy should deliver to him tomorrow.
> 
> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Plague

Wow! What a friend!
stan
> 
> 
>> On 16 Mar 2020, at 00:24, Postmaster  wrote:
>> 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> Yes, the zombie apocalypse is clearly imminent
>> 
>> I've got "Shaun of the Dead" lined up for tonight!
>> 
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Re: mom (was: OT Covid-19)

2020-03-17 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

P.J., 

My condolences on your loss. Always tough. 

G

> On Mar 16, 2020, at 7:48 PM, P. J. Alling  wrote:
> 
> I feel for you Larry, I wasn't going to talk about this but my mother died a 
> week ago.
> 
> I'd been taking care of her for the last few years, but her mind was been 
> fading.  It became apparent 5 months ago that it was beyond my capabilities, 
> to continue to be her caretaker,  so we moved her to a nursing home.
> 
> For a while it seemed to be actually doing some good, she seemed to be 
> remembering more, but then she started declining again. Last Christmas she 
> had a stroke, which accelerated her decline.
> 
> I wasn't able to be there at the end, as I had a nasty head cold, and 
> couldn't expose other patients who might have had compromised immune systems.


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2020-03-17 Thread Eric Weir

> On Mar 15, 2020, at 4:27 PM, P. J. Alling  wrote:
> 
> I guess it just goes to show that People as individuals are smart, but people 
> in groups can very stupid.

Perhaps it’s the other way around. I vaguely recall a report to the effect that 
online giving to people financially distressed, e.g., through Patreon, has 
spiked recently. But this could be “wishful remembering.”

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2020-03-17 Thread Daniel J. Matyola

Sorry for your loss, PJ.
I understand what you went through as I was in that situation 20 years ago
- first my father, then my mother a year later.

Keep the good memories alive;  it really helps.

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On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 10:49 PM P. J. Alling 
wrote:

> I feel for you Larry, I wasn't going to talk about this but my mother
> died a week ago.
>
> I'd been taking care of her for the last few years, but her mind was
> been fading.  It became apparent 5 months ago that it was beyond my
> capabilities, to continue to be her caretaker,  so we moved her to a
> nursing home.
>
> For a while it seemed to be actually doing some good, she seemed to be
> remembering more, but then she started declining again. Last Christmas
> she had a stroke, which accelerated her decline.
>
> I wasn't able to be there at the end, as I had a nasty head cold, and
> couldn't expose other patents who might have had compromised immune
> systems.
>
> On 3/16/2020 10:17 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
> >> On Mar 16, 2020, at 6:41 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> A six-county-wide mandate has put me under Covid-19 House Arrest today.
> I'm not supposed to leave home for anything other than "living essentials"
> like grocery shopping, particularly since I'm a "senior". Until April 7th…
> > Make that seven counties, Santa Cruz County is going to shelter in
> place. On the bright side, if I can get off my ass, I guess I have an
> opportunity to make some progress on a few of the crisis around the house.
> >
> > Meanwhile, unrelated to covid-19, I was woken this morning by a text
> from my sister. Mom is declining, despite the home being on lockdown they
> were working on procedures for her to be with Mom at the end, unless of
> course Mom pulls through again.  A 1700 mile drive, however, is out of the
> question.  I’ve pretty much said goodbye for the last time every time I’ve
> seen her for just over three years, and she wouldn’t even know I was
> there.  I do wish I could be there for my sister though.
> >
> > All things considered, Mom passing is the best thing for everyone
> involved, especially her, or what’s left of her.  She’s been my mom less
> and less, and less and less of the time since she broke her hip. I just
> wish that her passing could go better than it looks like it will, though I
> honestly don’t think she’ll know the difference.
> >
> >
> >
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My not being able to be tested is not at all surprising  - there are 
simply not enough tests available and if I were not symptomatic it would 
come up negative anyway we are told.  We try to stay a-political here on 
the list but there are a few reasons there are not more test kits or 
test sites and they lead back to our   ... well, you know who. If I get 
the typical symptoms I'll stay home and take care of myself  - I've had 
my pneumonia shots and I'm really quite healthy.  Have neighbors and 
friends who will check on me while keeping their distance. I'm more 
worried about the neighbor who was with me that day and is sick now, but 
getting better - she appears not to have  the key symptoms of #19 but 
has allergies on top of a head cold.




On 3/17/2020 2:56 AM, David Mann wrote:

On Mar 17, 2020, at 5:00 AM, ann sanfedele  wrote:


I'm seven days past being in the presence of someone who may have the virus.. 
feel good. Paul, so glad you got tested  that seems smart
I couldn't be tested even if I wanted to here because I have no symptoms...

I'm surprised you're not able to be tested.  I know someone who's been tested 
after being in contact with someone who subsequently tested positive.  They 
have no symptoms but are self-isolating until the results come through.

We currently have 11 known cases in NZ and the country is grinding to a halt with 
lots of events being cancelled.  The government is taking it very seriously with 
all inbound travellers being required to self-isolate for 14 days under threat of 
deportation.  Gatherings / events of > 500 people are no longer allowed.

Haven't seen much in the way of panic buying here except for hand sanitiser and 
antibacterial soap.  There was lots of TP in stock the other day.

Cheers,
Dave




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2020-03-17 Thread Paul Stenquist

Big hugs to all. Saying goodbye is crushing, regardless of the circumstances. 
I’ve had too many goodbyes in recent years.
Paul

> On Mar 17, 2020, at 8:47 AM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> Hard times for you both -   you need all the virtual hugs we can offer
> 
> ann
> 
> On 3/17/2020 12:05 AM, Larry Colen wrote:
>> On Mar 16, 2020, at 7:48 PM, P. J. Alling  wrote:
>>> I feel for you Larry, I wasn't going to talk about this but my mother died 
>>> a week ago.
>> My condolences.
>> 
>> I'd been taking care of her for the last few years, but her mind was been 
>> fading.  It became apparent 5 months ago that it was beyond my capabilities, 
>> to continue to be her caretaker,  so we moved her to a nursing home.
>> That is always a rough step.
>> 
>>> For a while it seemed to be actually doing some good, she seemed to be 
>>> remembering more, but then she started declining again. Last Christmas she 
>>> had a stroke, which accelerated her decline.
>> I was surprised at hearing how well she had been doing the past 10 months 
>> since she was moved to the home near my sister’s place.
>> 
>>> I wasn't able to be there at the end, as I had a nasty head cold, and 
>>> couldn't expose other patents who might have had compromised immune systems.
>> That is a really tough place to be.  I’m sorry to hear that.
>> 
>> 
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Hard times for you both -   you need all the virtual hugs we can offer

ann

On 3/17/2020 12:05 AM, Larry Colen wrote:
On Mar 16, 2020, at 7:48 PM, P. J. Alling  
wrote:

I feel for you Larry, I wasn't going to talk about this but my mother died a 
week ago.

My condolences.

I'd been taking care of her for the last few years, but her mind was been 
fading.  It became apparent 5 months ago that it was beyond my capabilities, to 
continue to be her caretaker,  so we moved her to a nursing home.
That is always a rough step.


For a while it seemed to be actually doing some good, she seemed to be 
remembering more, but then she started declining again. Last Christmas she had 
a stroke, which accelerated her decline.

I was surprised at hearing how well she had been doing the past 10 months since 
she was moved to the home near my sister’s place.


I wasn't able to be there at the end, as I had a nasty head cold, and couldn't 
expose other patents who might have had compromised immune systems.

That is a really tough place to be.  I’m sorry to hear that.


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Re: OT Covid-19

2020-03-17 Thread David Mann

On Mar 17, 2020, at 5:00 AM, ann sanfedele  wrote:

> I'm seven days past being in the presence of someone who may have the virus.. 
> feel good. Paul, so glad you got tested  that seems smart
> I couldn't be tested even if I wanted to here because I have no symptoms...

I'm surprised you're not able to be tested.  I know someone who's been tested 
after being in contact with someone who subsequently tested positive.  They 
have no symptoms but are self-isolating until the results come through.

We currently have 11 known cases in NZ and the country is grinding to a halt 
with lots of events being cancelled.  The government is taking it very 
seriously with all inbound travellers being required to self-isolate for 14 
days under threat of deportation.  Gatherings / events of > 500 people are no 
longer allowed.

Haven't seen much in the way of panic buying here except for hand sanitiser and 
antibacterial soap.  There was lots of TP in stock the other day.

Cheers,
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2020-03-16 Thread jcoyle

Very sorry to hear that, Larry - I am close to that situation myself, my 
102-year old mother is in a high-care aged care facility, and we have twice 
been advised to prepare for the worst.  One can only ask for an easy transition.

John in Brisbane

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> On Mar 16, 2020, at 6:41 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> 
> A six-county-wide mandate has put me under Covid-19 House Arrest today. I'm 
> not supposed to leave home for anything other than "living essentials" like 
> grocery shopping, particularly since I'm a "senior". Until April 7th… 

Make that seven counties, Santa Cruz County is going to shelter in place. On 
the bright side, if I can get off my ass, I guess I have an opportunity to make 
some progress on a few of the crisis around the house.

Meanwhile, unrelated to covid-19, I was woken this morning by a text from my 
sister. Mom is declining, despite the home being on lockdown they were working 
on procedures for her to be with Mom at the end, unless of course Mom pulls 
through again.  A 1700 mile drive, however, is out of the question.  I’ve 
pretty much said goodbye for the last time every time I’ve seen her for just 
over three years, and she wouldn’t even know I was there.  I do wish I could be 
there for my sister though.

All things considered, Mom passing is the best thing for everyone involved, 
especially her, or what’s left of her.  She’s been my mom less and less, and 
less and less of the time since she broke her hip. I just wish that her passing 
could go better than it looks like it will, though I honestly don’t think 
she’ll know the difference. 

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2020-03-16 Thread Alan C

South Africa is now in lockdown too. The authorities are trying hard to
contain it but the number of confirmed cases has shot up from 1 to 62 in
a week. Schools, Universities, Cinemas, Theatres, Restaurants, Churches,
etc restricted/closed. Serious panic buying started in the big centres
yesterday. It will likely spread to the Platteland in the coming days.
All sporting events have been cancelled/postponed until April 15th when
further announcements will be made. Sportsmen have been urged to keep in
training. No financial interventions yet. Stock market has fallen about
35% in 10 days, 12% yesterday after the US rate cut. The SA economy was
already in recession & now this.

Alan C

On 17-Mar-20 03:41 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

A six-county-wide mandate has put me under Covid-19 House Arrest today. I'm not supposed to leave
home for anything other than "living essentials" like grocery shopping, particularly
since I'm a "senior". Until April 7th…

I'm glad I went to the grocery store as well as got a haircut over the weekend.
And also glad I went to the gym today for a good hour and a half session and
took a 10 mile bicycle ride. (Nothing's going to be open except for banks, post
offices, gas stations, hospitals, and grocery stores … Not much point to going
for a cycle ride and cafe break when there'll be no cafes or restaurants open.)
Oh yes, and washing my hands and face every ten minutes: I'm not going to run
out of TP, but I am going to run out of soap. LOL!

Seriously, I plan to spend the next couple of weeks doing my home workouts,
cleaning the office, catching up on the photography that has been waiting for
me to have the time, playing the piano, watching a few videos, and reading a
dozen or two books that I've been meaning to get to. About ten events I was to
attend between March and May have all been cancelled now, etc etc;
disappointing but, eh, there'll be other events to go to.

Not much I can do other than deal with it.
No fear or panic solves anything.

With luck, there'll still be some semblence of the world I remember living in
left when I open the door on April 8.

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2020-03-16 Thread Larry Colen


> On Mar 16, 2020, at 7:48 PM, P. J. Alling  wrote:
> 
> I feel for you Larry, I wasn't going to talk about this but my mother died a 
> week ago.

My condolences.

> 
> I'd been taking care of her for the last few years, but her mind was been 
> fading.  It became apparent 5 months ago that it was beyond my capabilities, 
> to continue to be her caretaker,  so we moved her to a nursing home.

That is always a rough step.

> 
> For a while it seemed to be actually doing some good, she seemed to be 
> remembering more, but then she started declining again. Last Christmas she 
> had a stroke, which accelerated her decline.

I was surprised at hearing how well she had been doing the past 10 months since 
she was moved to the home near my sister’s place.

> 
> I wasn't able to be there at the end, as I had a nasty head cold, and 
> couldn't expose other patents who might have had compromised immune systems.

That is a really tough place to be.  I’m sorry to hear that.


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2020-03-16 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

Larry, 

All my best thoughts for your mom, you, and the rest of your family. It is 
always a burden when someone you love is going like that. I hope it is all 
resolved for her without any further suffering. 

G


> On Mar 16, 2020, at 7:17 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
> Meanwhile, unrelated to covid-19, I was woken this morning by a text from my 
> sister. Mom is declining, despite the home being on lockdown they were 
> working on procedures for her to be with Mom at the end, unless of course Mom 
> pulls through again.  A 1700 mile drive, however, is out of the question.  
> I’ve pretty much said goodbye for the last time every time I’ve seen her for 
> just over three years, and she wouldn’t even know I was there.  I do wish I 
> could be there for my sister though.
> 
> All things considered, Mom passing is the best thing for everyone involved, 
> especially her, or what’s left of her.  She’s been my mom less and less, and 
> less and less of the time since she broke her hip. I just wish that her 
> passing could go better than it looks like it will, though I honestly don’t 
> think she’ll know the difference. 


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2020-03-16 Thread P. J. Alling

I feel for you Larry, I wasn't going to talk about this but my mother
died a week ago.

I'd been taking care of her for the last few years, but her mind was
been fading. It became apparent 5 months ago that it was beyond my
capabilities, to continue to be her caretaker, so we moved her to a
nursing home.

For a while it seemed to be actually doing some good, she seemed to be
remembering more, but then she started declining again. Last Christmas
she had a stroke, which accelerated her decline.

I wasn't able to be there at the end, as I had a nasty head cold, and
couldn't expose other patents who might have had compromised immune systems.

On 3/16/2020 10:17 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

On Mar 16, 2020, at 6:41 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

Make that seven counties, Santa Cruz County is going to shelter in place. On
the bright side, if I can get off my ass, I guess I have an opportunity to make
some progress on a few of the crisis around the house.

Meanwhile, unrelated to covid-19, I was woken this morning by a text from my
sister. Mom is declining, despite the home being on lockdown they were working
on procedures for her to be with Mom at the end, unless of course Mom pulls
through again. A 1700 mile drive, however, is out of the question. I’ve
pretty much said goodbye for the last time every time I’ve seen her for just
over three years, and she wouldn’t even know I was there. I do wish I could be
there for my sister though.

All things considered, Mom passing is the best thing for everyone involved,
especially her, or what’s left of her. She’s been my mom less and less, and
less and less of the time since she broke her hip. I just wish that her passing
could go better than it looks like it will, though I honestly don’t think
she’ll know the difference.

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2020-03-16 Thread Larry Colen

> On Mar 16, 2020, at 7:28 PM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> 
> Sorry about your mother's medical situation, Larry.  I hope and pray things
> work out best for her and your famiy.

Thanks Dan.  I know how it’ll end, and I know it’ll be the best.  I just hope 
that the bits between now and then are as easy for her, and especially my 
sister, as possible.

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2020-03-16 Thread Daniel J. Matyola

Sorry about your mother's medical situation, Larry.  I hope and pray things
work out best for her and your famiy.


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On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 10:17 PM Larry Colen  wrote:

>
> > On Mar 16, 2020, at 6:41 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi 
> wrote:
> >
> > A six-county-wide mandate has put me under Covid-19 House Arrest today.
> I'm not supposed to leave home for anything other than "living essentials"
> like grocery shopping, particularly since I'm a "senior". Until April 7th…
>
> Make that seven counties, Santa Cruz County is going to shelter in place.
> On the bright side, if I can get off my ass, I guess I have an opportunity
> to make some progress on a few of the crisis around the house.
>
> Meanwhile, unrelated to covid-19, I was woken this morning by a text from
> my sister. Mom is declining, despite the home being on lockdown they were
> working on procedures for her to be with Mom at the end, unless of course
> Mom pulls through again.  A 1700 mile drive, however, is out of the
> question.  I’ve pretty much said goodbye for the last time every time I’ve
> seen her for just over three years, and she wouldn’t even know I was
> there.  I do wish I could be there for my sister though.
>
> All things considered, Mom passing is the best thing for everyone
> involved, especially her, or what’s left of her.  She’s been my mom less
> and less, and less and less of the time since she broke her hip. I just
> wish that her passing could go better than it looks like it will, though I
> honestly don’t think she’ll know the difference.
>
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2020-03-16 Thread Larry Colen

> On Mar 16, 2020, at 6:41 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> 
> A six-county-wide mandate has put me under Covid-19 House Arrest today. I'm 
> not supposed to leave home for anything other than "living essentials" like 
> grocery shopping, particularly since I'm a "senior". Until April 7th… 

Make that seven counties, Santa Cruz County is going to shelter in place. On 
the bright side, if I can get off my ass, I guess I have an opportunity to make 
some progress on a few of the crisis around the house.

Meanwhile, unrelated to covid-19, I was woken this morning by a text from my 
sister. Mom is declining, despite the home being on lockdown they were working 
on procedures for her to be with Mom at the end, unless of course Mom pulls 
through again.  A 1700 mile drive, however, is out of the question.  I’ve 
pretty much said goodbye for the last time every time I’ve seen her for just 
over three years, and she wouldn’t even know I was there.  I do wish I could be 
there for my sister though.

All things considered, Mom passing is the best thing for everyone involved, 
especially her, or what’s left of her.  She’s been my mom less and less, and 
less and less of the time since she broke her hip. I just wish that her passing 
could go better than it looks like it will, though I honestly don’t think 
she’ll know the difference. 

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2020-03-16 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

A six-county-wide mandate has put me under Covid-19 House Arrest today. I'm not 
supposed to leave home for anything other than "living essentials" like grocery 
shopping, particularly since I'm a "senior". Until April 7th… 

I'm glad I went to the grocery store as well as got a haircut over the weekend. 
And also glad I went to the gym today for a good hour and a half session and 
took a 10 mile bicycle ride. (Nothing's going to be open except for banks, post 
offices, gas stations, hospitals, and grocery stores … Not much point to going 
for a cycle ride and cafe break when there'll be no cafes or restaurants open.) 
Oh yes, and washing my hands and face every ten minutes: I'm not going to run 
out of TP, but I am going to run out of soap. LOL! 

Seriously, I plan to spend the next couple of weeks doing my home workouts, 
cleaning the office, catching up on the photography that has been waiting for 
me to have the time, playing the piano, watching a few videos, and reading a 
dozen or two books that I've been meaning to get to. About ten events I was to 
attend between March and May have all been cancelled now, etc etc; 
disappointing but, eh, there'll be other events to go to. 

Not much I can do other than deal with it. 
No fear or panic solves anything. 

With luck, there'll still be some semblence of the world I remember living in 
left when I open the door on April 8. 

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I wanted the one on the floor for my legs .. but it is a bit pricy.  I 
had a baby one with bike pedals but I gave it to someone who was less 
ambulatory than I am... he eventually passed ot on to someone else.. 
wish I had it back  .


ann

On 3/16/2020 7:45 PM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote:

Am 16.03.20 um 23:33 schrieb ann sanfedele:


I needed the walk.  I had to go out to mail and ebay sale and get the
spinach.  I wish I had a stationary bike at home.  (I can't ride a
moving one)


We've recently bought a training devide for my mother-in-law, some kind
of bicycle minus the frame, just the cranks that you can put on the
floor and move with your feet or up on the table to exercise your arms.
A lot less cumbersome and more affordable.


that's the news from sick apple


Glad to hear that you're ok.

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Am 16.03.20 um 23:33 schrieb ann sanfedele:


I needed the walk.  I had to go out to mail and ebay sale and get the
spinach.  I wish I had a stationary bike at home.  (I can't ride a
moving one)


We've recently bought a training devide for my mother-in-law, some kind
of bicycle minus the frame, just the cranks that you can put on the
floor and move with your feet or up on the table to exercise your arms.
A lot less cumbersome and more affordable.


that's the news from sick apple


Glad to hear that you're ok.

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Re: OT Covid-19

2020-03-16 Thread Bill


On 3/16/2020 11:32 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

I now know I don’t have the flu. So it’s either a mammoth cold or Covid 19. 
Another lab  has to test for that, so it will be a few days. Testing in the 
U.S. is still primitive. The koreans seem to have figured it out.



It's called leadership.

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I had luck...  T joe's only slightly crowded normal for a late afternoon 
- but as I said I dont have to stand in line.. the aisles are wide and 
getting around quickly was easy.  I wanted dark chocolate peanut butter 
cups, spinach, taquitos (which I embelish somewhat and soften) and 
cottage cheese and a small can of tomato paste.
I scored 3 of 5.   then stopped by my local favorite  Chinese restaurant 
and picked up take-away lunch special, General tzo's chicken. It is the 
last day you can enter a restaurant or bar here and sit down to eat in 
the foreseable future.   I'm still able to walk outside as long as I 
keep clear of others and still can go to  grocery or a drug store.   I'm 
using a pretty scarf around my neck and over my nose more for keeping 
warm and putting others at ease, and am well
protected with the approriate sani-goo on my leather gloves.  When I got 
home I took abundance of caution steps and cleaned the outside of each 
package
I bought with alcohol , emptied the contents into glass containers and 
tossed the ones from the store and restaurant. I also left my cell phone 
at home - one less thing to worry about being clean.


I needed the walk.  I had to go out to mail and ebay sale and get the 
spinach.  I wish I had a stationary bike at home.  (I can't ride a 
moving one)


that's the news from sick apple

ann

On 3/16/2020 3:32 PM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote:

Am 16.03.20 um 16:58 schrieb ann sanfedele:


I'm about to go out in the lonely streets to mail a package... and see
if Trader Joe's is not crowded to buy a couple of veggies. fingers 
crossed


Good luck, Ann.

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2020-03-16 Thread Bob Pdml

One of my friends is self-isolating so I recommended this, which the Amazon 
fairy should deliver to him tomorrow.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Plague


> On 16 Mar 2020, at 00:24, Postmaster  wrote:
> 
>  wrote:
> 
>> Yes, the zombie apocalypse is clearly imminent
> 
> I've got "Shaun of the Dead" lined up for tonight!
> 
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2020-03-16 Thread Bob Pdml

That's an interesting read. A couple of weeks ago we were discussing this at 
the end of my French cinema class (predominantly people in their 60s and 70s) 
and I took the macho line that it's just a bit of flu. The following day I read 
an article, which I can't find now, which put the worst case outcome as 5 
million dead in the UK alone. That's some virus, that Covid-19. 

So even if we aren't worried for ourselves I'm sure we all have many friends 
and family who are at great risk and we would like everyone to try and help 
them avoid the disease in the first place, and have access to the best possible 
treatment otherwise.

I hope everyone looks after themselves and others as best they can.

> On 15 Mar 2020, at 16:28, mike wilson  wrote:
> 
> My original post was passing on a joke about the perceived demographics of 
> certain supermarkets.  Many people seem to have taken it seriously - in which 
> case, the link below seems to be a pretty well-written explanation of the 
> outbreak and the statistics describing it.
> https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca
> 
> We owe a lot to Jixian Zhang, who spotted the new disease almost immediately 
> it crossed her path.
> 
> 
>> On 15 March 2020 at 15:58 Postmaster  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Rick Womer wrote:
>> 
>>> Still waiting for official word about work next week. Everyone is 
>>> encouraged to work from home, but since Im in my late 60s I 
>>> expect be told to stay away and let younger colleagues see my patients.
>> 
>> Rick, are your patients particularly susceptible because of immune
>> system weaknesses that go along with cancer treatments? I know
>> Covid-19 appears to be less dangerous to children (at this point
>> Children's Hospital is the only hospital in the Boston area that
>> *doesn't* have Covid-19 patients on ventilators) but it would seem
>> that cancer patients might be particularly vulnerable even if they're
>> young.
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Am 16.03.20 um 16:58 schrieb ann sanfedele:


I'm about to go out in the lonely streets to mail a package... and see
if Trader Joe's is not crowded to buy a couple of veggies. fingers crossed


Good luck, Ann.

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2020-03-16 Thread Christine Aguila



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> 
>> The other day I found myself looking at Pentax lenses.  There's nothing
>> like a shinny new lens to rekindle photography! :-)
> 
> Amen!
> 
> Stay well xx

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2020-03-16 Thread Christine Aguila

I didn’t know either.  Dave, thinking of you guys!  Sending big hugs from 
Chicago.
Christine

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> I didn’t know either. She’ll be in my prayers.
> 
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>> Subject: Re: OT Covid-19
>> 
>> On 15/3/20, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed:
>> 
>>> 
>>> My wife hopefully starts her chemo at least, later this week. I'm doing my
>>> part to sty out of the lime light for her so i dont catch it. I'm sure it
>>> woul dbe nasty for her.
>> 
>> Dave, I didn't know - my very best regards to the WD.
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2020-03-16 Thread Ken Waller

How did the actual drive up process go for you?


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>Subject: Re: OT Covid-19
>
>I now know I don’t have the flu. So it’s either a mammoth cold or Covid 19. 
>Another lab  has to test for that, so it will be a few days. Testing in the 
>U.S. is still primitive. The koreans seem to have figured it out.
>
>> On Mar 16, 2020, at 12:00 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
>> 
>> I'm seven days past being in the presence of someone who may have the 
>> virus.. feel good. Paul, so glad you got tested  that seems smart
>> I couldn't be tested even if I wanted to here because I have no symptoms...
>> 
>> eager to hear what you learn
>> 
>> ann
>> 
>> On 3/16/2020 10:25 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
>>> I only went in for a test because my wife and son have been exposed.
>>> 
>>> Paul
>>> 
>>>> On Mar 16, 2020, at 9:45 AM, Ralf R Radermacher  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Am 16.03.20 um 13:54 schrieb Paul Stenquist:
>>>>> ...feeling better this morning after a full week of painful coughing.
>>>> Sounds familiar. It got so bad that I almost considered seeing a doctor
>>>> which says a lot because I have a severe case of doctorphobia.
>>>> 
>>>> All was well again after about two weeks.
>>>> 
>>>> Ralf


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2020-03-16 Thread Bulent Celasun

The outbreak has not (technically) started here, in Turkey, although
there are a small number of cases.
I guess it will be declared "started" within this week.

I only hope that we all live through it unharmed.

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> I now know I don’t have the flu. So it’s either a mammoth cold or Covid 19. 
> Another lab  has to test for that, so it will be a few days. Testing in the 
> U.S. is still primitive. The koreans seem to have figured it out.
>
> > On Mar 16, 2020, at 12:00 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> >
> > I'm seven days past being in the presence of someone who may have the 
> > virus.. feel good. Paul, so glad you got tested  that seems smart
> > I couldn't be tested even if I wanted to here because I have no symptoms...
> >
> > eager to hear what you learn
> >
> > ann
> >
> > On 3/16/2020 10:25 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
> >> I only went in for a test because my wife and son have been exposed.
> >>
> >> Paul
> >>
> >>> On Mar 16, 2020, at 9:45 AM, Ralf R Radermacher  wrote:
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> >>> Am 16.03.20 um 13:54 schrieb Paul Stenquist:
>  ...feeling better this morning after a full week of painful coughing.
> >>> Sounds familiar. It got so bad that I almost considered seeing a doctor
> >>> which says a lot because I have a severe case of doctorphobia.
> >>>
> >>> All was well again after about two weeks.
> >>>
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2020-03-16 Thread Paul Stenquist

I now know I don’t have the flu. So it’s either a mammoth cold or Covid 19. 
Another lab  has to test for that, so it will be a few days. Testing in the 
U.S. is still primitive. The koreans seem to have figured it out.

> On Mar 16, 2020, at 12:00 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> I'm seven days past being in the presence of someone who may have the virus.. 
> feel good. Paul, so glad you got tested  that seems smart
> I couldn't be tested even if I wanted to here because I have no symptoms...
> 
> eager to hear what you learn
> 
> ann
> 
> On 3/16/2020 10:25 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
>> I only went in for a test because my wife and son have been exposed.
>> 
>> Paul
>> 
>>> On Mar 16, 2020, at 9:45 AM, Ralf R Radermacher  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Am 16.03.20 um 13:54 schrieb Paul Stenquist:
 ...feeling better this morning after a full week of painful coughing.
>>> Sounds familiar. It got so bad that I almost considered seeing a doctor
>>> which says a lot because I have a severe case of doctorphobia.
>>> 
>>> All was well again after about two weeks.
>>> 
>>> Ralf
>>> 
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I'm seven days past being in the presence of someone who may have the 
virus.. feel good. Paul, so glad you got tested  that seems smart

I couldn't be tested even if I wanted to here because I have no symptoms...

eager to hear what you learn

ann

On 3/16/2020 10:25 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

I only went in for a test because my wife and son have been exposed.

Paul


On Mar 16, 2020, at 9:45 AM, Ralf R Radermacher  wrote:

Am 16.03.20 um 13:54 schrieb Paul Stenquist:

...feeling better this morning after a full week of painful coughing.

Sounds familiar. It got so bad that I almost considered seeing a doctor
which says a lot because I have a severe case of doctorphobia.

All was well again after about two weeks.

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Re: OT Covid-19

I have had a supply of tap water in gallon jugs (maybe 6 to 8 gallons) 
for years - refreshed at some point - after Sandy there ahve 
periodically been water shut offs, water main breaks, etc...  maybe once 
or twice a month I may buy a 12 ounce bottle of water so I have a bottle 
to fill with tap water to carry with me.


I'm about to go out in the lonely streets to mail a package... and see 
if Trader Joe's is not crowded to buy a couple of veggies. fingers crossed


ann


On 3/16/2020 11:23 AM, John wrote:

On 3/15/2020 18:57:09, Bill wrote:

On 3/15/2020 2:15 PM, jtainter wrote:
Apparently bottled water has disappeared from many stores. I don't 
understand this at all. Just turn on the tap!


Joe



Water is one of the few things it sort of makes sense to stock up on 
in the event of the Zombie Apocalypse that people seem to be 
preparing for.
Having said that, if one is going to stock up on water, it makes far 
more sense to get 5 gallon water jugs and fill them from the tap than 
to buy dozens of 1 liter bottles.


bill



I buy distilled water in gallon jugs to use for ironing.

Once they're empty I refill the jugs from the tap & store them in case 
we get a "boil water" advisory after a hurricane or something like 
that. I've got enough stored to last a few days.


I also keep a package of water (24 sports bottles) in the car for the 
dog & me when we're out and about. I got a new package a couple of 
weeks ago - stocking up before I knew I was going to need to - so I 
won't need to replenish that for several months.





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2020-03-16 Thread John

I have a friend who travels a lot for business. He started having symptoms a 
couple weeks ago and was afraid it was Strep and got tested.


Then last week he was afraid it was *NOT* Strep and had to be tested again.

Luckily it turned out to be neither, but some stupid version of the flu that 
wasn't included in the annual vaccine.



On 3/16/2020 08:54:36, Paul Stenquist wrote:

Thanks much. No test results yet but z feeling better this morning after a full 
week of painful coughing.

Paul


On Mar 15, 2020, at 12:28 PM, Carlos R  wrote:

Take care if yourself, Paul. I hope everything goes well.

El dom., 15 mar. 2020 16:49, Paul Stenquist 
escribió:


I have had some sort of nasty respiratory condition for six days. I’m on
line to be tested now. It’s in the parking lot of a hospital. I’ve only
been out of the house 3 times in the last month,

Paul


On Mar 15, 2020, at 11:38 AM, Ralf R Radermacher 

wrote:


Am 15.03.20 um 16:04 schrieb Godfrey DiGiorgi:


I don't need to be lectured that I must fear and panic: I won't. Save

your breath, that would be a better thing than wasting it on lecturing me.


You are of course right. As always.

Ralf

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2020-03-16 Thread John


Blame it on selfish assholes:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/14/technology/coronavirus-purell-wipes-amazon-sellers.html

On 3/15/2020 20:18:45, jco...@iinet.net.au wrote:

In Australia, the same level of panic buying of toilet paper and hand
sanitiser obtains.  Yes, the zombie apocalypse is clearly imminent: my
supermarket-managing nephew tells me that canned vegetables are also being
bought up, if only to throw the cans at the rampaging zombies!
We did manage to buy one 6-pack of toilet paper for my indigent (or
disorganised) twin granddaughters yesterday, otherwise it would be torn-up
newspaper for them - except they don't buy the papers...

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On 14 Mar 2020, at 13:46, mike wilson  wrote:

Don't know what's happening in the rest of the world but UK supermarkets

have recently instigated buying quotas:


ASDA
2 hand sanitisers and a 4 pack of toilet roll

TESCO
1 hand sanitiser, 500g of rice and 4 pack of toilet roll

Waitrose
1 lobster, 6 quail's eggs and 100g of Pate de Foie Gras

Aldi
1 MIG welder, 1 pink sports bra, 2 trumpets and 1 wetsuit.



Oddly enough, in my local Waitrose early this afternoon there was very
little fresh produce, no canned goods like beans and tomatoes, no muesli or
porridge, even the expensive brands, no pasta, no rice (which is what I went
in for), no toilet paper, no antibacterial wipes (for my hearing aids) even
though a virus is not a bacterium..., no household cleaning products. And no
people. They must have all been in for an early morning raid.

My local Co-op on the other hand was overflowing with bounteous wonder (and
it wasn't labelled 'Waitrose'...

I managed to buy some toilet paper in Waitrose earlier in the week. There
were three packs left, at the back of the top shelf where only the tall
could see and reach them. I bought one 4-pack, but couldn't fit it in my
saddlebag with my work clothes and other stuff, so had to carry it on my
back in a musette. Oh the shame! of being thought a hoarder... but in fact
practically everyone I saw on my way home was carrying enormous quantities
of toilet paper.

For the benefit of the unBritish, Waitrose is posh and middle class, Co-op
is down-to-earth working class.










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2020-03-16 Thread John


On 3/15/2020 18:57:09, Bill wrote:

On 3/15/2020 2:15 PM, jtainter wrote:
Apparently bottled water has disappeared from many stores. I don't understand 
this at all. Just turn on the tap!


Joe



Water is one of the few things it sort of makes sense to stock up on in the 
event of the Zombie Apocalypse that people seem to be preparing for.
Having said that, if one is going to stock up on water, it makes far more sense 
to get 5 gallon water jugs and fill them from the tap than to buy dozens of 1 
liter bottles.


bill



I buy distilled water in gallon jugs to use for ironing.

Once they're empty I refill the jugs from the tap & store them in case we get a 
"boil water" advisory after a hurricane or something like that. I've got enough 
stored to last a few days.


I also keep a package of water (24 sports bottles) in the car for the dog & me 
when we're out and about. I got a new package a couple of weeks ago - stocking 
up before I knew I was going to need to - so I won't need to replenish that for 
several months.



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2020-03-16 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

Best thoughts and good energy that things go well for your wife, Dave, with a 
speedy recovery! 

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> On Mar 15, 2020, at 12:21 PM, David J Brooks  wrote:
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> My wife hopefully starts her chemo at least, later this week. I'm doing my
> part to sty out of the lime light for her so i dont catch it. I'm sure it
> woul dbe nasty for her.
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2020-03-16 Thread Daniel J. Matyola

Exposed to you or to someone know to be a carrier?
Caution is the advisable and necessary course of action.

We will keep you and your family in our thoughts and prayers.  Hang tough!

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On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 10:26 AM Paul Stenquist 
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> I only went in for a test because my wife and son have been exposed.
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Am 16.03.20 um 15:25 schrieb Paul Stenquist:

I only went in for a test because my wife and son have been exposed.


You certainly did the right thing.

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2020-03-16 Thread Paul Stenquist

I only went in for a test because my wife and son have been exposed. 

Paul

> On Mar 16, 2020, at 9:45 AM, Ralf R Radermacher  wrote:
> 
> Am 16.03.20 um 13:54 schrieb Paul Stenquist:
>> ...feeling better this morning after a full week of painful coughing.
> 
> Sounds familiar. It got so bad that I almost considered seeing a doctor
> which says a lot because I have a severe case of doctorphobia.
> 
> All was well again after about two weeks.
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