mail filters
hi, i've looked around the doc's and the net and i was not able to find sonme good docs on mail filtering. what i want sounds simple: i want to filter messages for one user to different folders in the maildir depending on headers or what ever. Matthias Henze MH458-RIPE MHC SoftWare GmbH voice: +49-(0)9533-92006-0 Fichtera 17 fax: +49-(0)9533-92006-6 96274 Itzgrund/Germanye-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - http://www.mhcsoftware.de ---
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Re: mail filters
On Tue, Jul 18, 2000 at 09:12:03AM +0200, Matthias Henze wrote: i've looked around the doc's and the net and i was not able to find sonme good docs on mail filtering. what i want sounds simple: i want to filter messages for one user to different folders in the maildir depending on headers or what ever. If you search on "filter" http://on www.qmail.org/ then you'll find at least two packages for this. You can do simple filtering with perl and .qmail-files. Tips: * procmail supports Maildir * MrSam:s maildrop works nice with Maildir http://www.flounder.net/~mrsam/maildrop/ * mailagent (Perl) http://search.cpan.org/search?dist=mailagent * Kagent (Perl) http://patriot.net/~kurt/kagent/ Filtering Mail FAQ http://www.faqs.org/faqs/mail/filtering-faq/ /magnus -- http://x42.com/
RBL list
Hi, Is there a way of keeping a local copy of the RBL lists and using those instead of trying to get it from the remote site - should this not speed things up - I also know that the list is updated all the time - but can some of you peoples please comment... Thanks Tonino
IPCHAINS and slow POP/SMTP access
Hello, I've searched the archives on this topic and though there are a lot of people who have reported this issue, I have not really seen a solution yet. I have a Linux box (Redhad 5.?) which I use as a firewall/server/NAT machine. One ethernet card is connected to an ADSL modem and has a fixed IP address. The other ethernet card is connected to a mini-hub and has the address of 192.168.1.1. I have a set of Mac's connected to the hub with addresses 192.168.1.100 and up. I've got Qmail running just great for both SMTP and POP!! However, as soon as I activate my firewall (using ipchains), sending or receiving email from a local machine takes over 3 minutes!! In the archives, some people have speculated that this is a DNS issue or a problem with auth. I have TCP port 113 (auth) opened to the world (local and internet) and am still having a problem. I suspect that there must be some other port I need to open up. Does anyone have a suggestion of where I can go from here? I am a bit new to Qmail and not too familiar with the debugging tools. By the way, I do not have DNS active on my Linux box and am relying on my ISP's DNS server (they have my domain name set up in their server). Doug
Re: mail filters
On Tue, Jul 18, 2000 at 09:12:03AM +0200, Matthias Henze wrote: ! i've looked around the doc's and the net and i was not able to find sonme ! good docs on mail filtering. what i want sounds simple: i want to filter ! messages for one user to different folders in the maildir depending on ! headers or what ever. What do you mean by ``for one user''? Do you mean you share a POP mailbox with someone else and you want to tell whether a message was for you or that someone else? Or do you simply mean that you want to filter depending on where the message is _from_? In the former case, fetchmail has a multidrop mode; read the manual page, fetchmail(1), for more info. In the latter case, look into procmail; qmail has a script that delivers mail through procmail by default at /var/qmail/boot/proc+df. All the help you need in writing the filters are in the procmailrc(5) and procmailex(5) man pages. If you're delivering to a Maildir, as you suggested above, make sure that the folder specified in the procmail recipe ends with a slash. fetchmail: http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/fetchmail/ procmail: http://www.procmail.org/ Hope it helps, ---Chris K. -- Chris, the Young One |_ Never brag about how your machines haven't been Auckland, New Zealand |_ hacked, or your code hasn't been broken. It's http://cloud9.hedgee.com/ |_ guaranteed to bring the wrong kind of PGP: 0xCCC6114E/0x706A6AAD |_ attention. ---Neil Schneider
fastforward and alternative alias file
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I must be missing something: I want to have an alternative aliases file to be used by a user controlling a few virtual domains. I know how I would _use_ such a file: $cat ~user/.qmail-default |fastforward -d ./alternative-aliases.cdb $ The question is: How do I _create_ such a file? According to the manpage, newaliases has /etc/aliases hardcoded in it. What's the alternative? (Except, of course, creating the file as /etc/aliases.cdb and then moving it somewhere; I don't want to give that used write permissions into /etc, obviously.) Thanks -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.0.2 -- QDPGP 2.60 Comment: http://community.wow.net/grt/qdpgp.html iQA/AwUBOXQPwlMwP8g7qbw/EQIwnQCeORvGlI6+AP3VGfQzCa6d1iFuz5MAoIeU OiW7IlDMEOLberNbqu5rR/hS =7kXn -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Petr Novotny, ANTEK CS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.antek.cz PGP key ID: 0x3BA9BC3F -- Don't you know there ain't no devil there's just God when he's drunk. [Tom Waits]
Re: fastforward and alternative alias file
On Tue, Jul 18, 2000 at 11:05:22AM +0200, Petr Novotny wrote: ! The question is: How do I _create_ such a file? setforward appears to be the closest I've seen to doing that. ---Chris K. -- Chris, the Young One |_ but what's a dropped message between friends? Auckland, New Zealand |_ this is UDP, not TCP after all ;) ---John H. http://cloud9.hedgee.com/ |_ Robinson, IV PGP: 0xCCC6114E/0x706A6AAD |_
urgent help required
hello list i have installed redhat linux 6.1 , with sendmail 8.9.3 from rpms (redhat cd) i want to remove sendmail and install qmail on this system , please tell me exactly how can i do this thanks regards Prashant Desai
Re: urgent help required
OK, first - untar or install the qmail files. THEN read REMOVE.sendmail and then if you have any further questions, ask on the list. The docs are usually a good place to start, as 95% of these questions are answered there... Brett -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, July 18, 2000 7:39 PM Subject: urgent help required hello list i have installed redhat linux 6.1 , with sendmail 8.9.3 from rpms (redhat cd) i want to remove sendmail and install qmail on this system , please tell me exactly how can i do this thanks regards Prashant Desai
Updated location for qmail spam patches ?
Hi, I noticed the ftp location for the updated (to 1.03) anti-spam patches from Ras/Lionel/Lindsay doesn't allow anon access anymore (it's a buggy wu-ftpd version ?). Anyway, can anyone point me to a new location, update the web site, or send me a copy ? Thanks, Marc Marc J.J. ter HorstP.O. Box 930 Phone : +31 318 557237 Manager ICT 3900 AX Veenendaal fax : +31 318 550485 Nucletron The NetherlandsInternet: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
qmail Digest 18 Jul 2000 10:00:01 -0000 Issue 1066
qmail Digest 18 Jul 2000 10:00:01 - Issue 1066 Topics (messages 44855 through 44906): special quota problem 44855 by: Patrick Müller Re: this user has no $HOME/Maildir 44856 by: Davide Giunchi 44857 by: Jia Rong Re: Autorespond Forward Problem 44858 by: Dave Sill Re: and yet another NEWBIE question 44859 by: "Próspero, Esteban" so much qmail-smtpd activity, so little qmail-send activity... 44860 by: Dave Kitabjian 44862 by: Chris Johnson Re: qmail accepting mails for unknown rcpt to 44861 by: Charles Cazabon Re: questions about performance and setup 44863 by: Austad, Jay 44864 by: markd.bushwire.net 44865 by: markd.bushwire.net 44866 by: Austad, Jay 44872 by: John White 44875 by: Jason Murphy 44889 by: Jason Haar 44892 by: Steve Wolfe 44894 by: Bruce Guenter 44895 by: Oliver White MTA bounce message codes 44867 by: Thomas Duterme 44885 by: Magnus Bodin Mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 44868 by: Ryan Hayle 44874 by: Dave Sill 44878 by: Ben Beuchler Save A Copy Of All messages 44869 by: Christopher Tarricone 44871 by: Brian Johnson Re: Vpopmail - Installation - questions 44870 by: Ken Jones Re: OK, I've install vpopmail, where is DJB test.delivertest.recieve... 44873 by: Ken Jones Re: bounce management 44876 by: Aaron L. Meehan qmail-date-localtime.patch 44877 by: grant.stephenson.cc 44882 by: Magnus Bodin Re: Qmail is *NOT* reliable with ReiserFS 44879 by: Bruce Guenter 44881 by: Greg Hudson 44883 by: Bruce Guenter 44884 by: Greg Hudson 44886 by: Michael Babcock 44887 by: Greg Hudson 44888 by: Bruce Guenter how to check if mails queued in ~alias 44880 by: michael.renner.gmx.de SMTP Question 44890 by: Martin Searancke 44891 by: Rogue Eagle 44893 by: Magnus Bodin mail filters 44896 by: Matthias Henze 44898 by: Magnus Bodin 44901 by: Chris, the Young One Certify your skills online at Brainbench 44897 by: support.brainbench.com RBL list 44899 by: TAG IPCHAINS and slow POP/SMTP access 44900 by: Doug Oucharek fastforward and alternative alias file 44902 by: Petr Novotny 44903 by: Chris, the Young One urgent help required 44904 by: reach_prashant.zeenext.com 44905 by: Brett Randall Updated location for qmail spam patches ? 44906 by: Marc ter Horst Administrivia: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To bug my human owner, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To post to the list, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Hi all I'm running the qmail package for some time now and I got now a special error when sending a message to a user in my virtualdomains (vpopmail): " Hi. This is the qmail-send program at turkey.rogatec.ch. I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses. This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. [EMAIL PROTECTED]: User is over quota email returned " I haven't installed a quota or something like that! The user uses now 52MB Harddisk space with his mails (we use imap). How can I increase his quota, so the error doesn't occurrs? Thanks for your help PAt Hi all I'm trying to use vpopmail to allow user that autenticate via pop3 the user of smtpd. I create a user with vadduser e vaddpasswd then i try to connect to the qmail-pop3d telnet localhost pop-3 i insert: user prova or user prova%virtualdomain pass prova -ERR this user has no $HOME/Maildir I get this error if i try with a /etc/passwd users such as a virtual user. Here it's my inetd.conf startup line for pop3 ... /var/qmail/bin/qmail-popup rtsystem.com /home/vpopmail/bin/vchkpw /var/qmail/bin/qmail-pop3d Maildir Thanks for help. - Original Message - Hi all I'm trying to use vpopmail to allow user that autenticate via pop3 the user of smtpd. I create a user with vadduser e vaddpasswd then i try to connect to the qmail-pop3d telnet localhost pop-3 i insert: user prova or user prova%virtualdomain pass prova -ERR this user has no $HOME/Maildir I get this error if i try with a /etc/passwd users such as a virtual user. Here it's my inetd.conf startup line for pop3 . /var/qmail/bin/qmail-popup rtsystem.com /home/vpopmail/bin/vchkpw /var/qmail/bin/qmail-pop3d Maildir ./Maildir/ .. Thanks for help. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wolfgang zeikat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: |/var/qmail/alias/autorespond 1 100
vpopmail/qmailadmin with fetchmail and maildirsmtp: where to start?
Hello, I run a small internal network. All mails for the employees are transfered through an isdn dial-up line. I use fetchmail, qmail therefor, mails are sent by using maildirsmtp. Every mail-user needs an own account on this linux router, which is not needful for the normal work. Now I installed vpopmail and qmailadmin to change this, but I dont know where to start! How do I have to configure fetchmail to transfer the mails not to the system users (I fetch mails from a multidrop mailbox with pop3)? What else do I have to change? And how should I handle these users, which still needs a user account on this router/gateway/mailer as well as a mailaccount? Thanks in advance for hints and pointers to the documentation. -- |Michael Renner E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| |D-72072 Tuebingen Germany | mail -s "get pgp key" [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null mail -s "get gpg key" [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null |Don't drink as root!ESC:wq
smail + qmail
Has anyone anonnced some kind of problem smail--qmail cooperation ? I can't send mail from host ruuning smail to host with qmail. Other host running sendmail, exim, qmail can talk to this qmail box. Also my smail is runinig more then 1 year and I notice no problem with sending mail to other host. My smail can also send mail to boxes I know there are running qmail but not to my qmail. There are logs: Jul 18 09:47:08 tsk qmail-smtpd[26969]: 24 EHLO bip.biproraf.com.pl. Jul 18 09:47:08 tsk qmail-smtpd[26969]: 34 MAIL FROM:[EMAIL PROTECTED]. Jul 18 09:47:08 tsk qmail-smtpd[26969]: 26 RCPT TO:[EMAIL PROTECTED]. Jul 18 09:47:08 tsk qmail-smtpd[26969]: 4 DATA. Jul 18 09:47:08 tsk qmail-smtpd[26969]: DIE_READ - in my log file (MTA smail) 07/18/2000 09:47:08: [m13ES5s-000ZwgC] Deferred TO:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ROUTER:inet_ hosts TRANSPORT:smtp ERROR:(ERR151) transport smtp: 498 protocol error in reply from remote SMTP process - Mirek
RE: urgent help required
read LWQ - http://web.infoave.net/~dsill/lwq.html follow installation instruction to the letter and read some docs, i found out that if you read all the docs, and know exactly what you want to do, ie what configuration you need, you will be successfull in understanding the install procedures.. Good Luck Haim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2000 7:31 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: urgent help required hello list i have installed redhat linux 6.1 , with sendmail 8.9.3 from rpms (redhat cd) i want to remove sendmail and install qmail on this system , please tell me exactly how can i do this thanks regards Prashant Desai
load question
This question is for those of you who use qmail and vpopmail to handle virtual domains. I would like to get some information on how many virtual domains on one box you have and if you also provide web services off of the same box. I am trying to prevent loading down my server too much and would like to get a feel for the setup that most of you have. Thanks in advance. Jeff Jones
[?!]urgent help needed, thanks in advanced!:)
urgent help needed, thanks in advanced!:) how to use imap+qmail(no sendmail) if there is no account in imap server? error log: Jul 18 19:16:51 imap qmail: 963919011.320736 delivery 30: failure: Sorry,_no_mailbox_here_by_that_name._(#5.1.1)/
serialsmtp errors
Hi, I was wondering if anyone could help with this error. Our mailservers have a high mail rate and I am new to qmail (SIGH, another newbie). Config: smtp store - queue the mail for clients then upon reciept of a dequeue request, smtp push the mail to the clients remote mail server. the symptoms: * Clients continually send dequeue requests from their remote mail servers to our mail servers. They get no mail delivery yet there are no obvious errors that they see. We get the following error in our maillog: qmail: 963870062.032644 delivery 320305: success: serialsmtp:_fatal:_SMTP_cannot_transfer_messages_with_partial_final_lines/se rialsmtp:_fatal:_SMTP_cannot_transfer_messages_with_partial_final_lines/seri alsmtp:_fatal:_SMTP_cannot_transfer _messages_with_partial_final_lines/maildirserial:_fatal:_making_no_progress, _giving_up/did_0+0+1/ * A qmail-qstat showed a growing queue, with the majority beloning to the dequeue user (dequeue requests). * The number of ports in SYN_RECV state escalated markedly I found that some of the mail messages themselves had not been terminated with a "\n", and once I appended "\n" to the end of the file the error disappeared for a few hours, and the clients reported sucessful mail delivery, but then the error returned and the clients no longer recieved their mail. Much of the mail like this was mailing list issue. Thanks, Gillian
Re: mail filters
The qtools package includes utilities for filtering messages and conditionally writing messages to a Maildir. For more information, see: http://www.superscript.com/qtools/intro.html Regards, W. On Tue, Jul 18, 2000 at 09:12:03AM +0200, Matthias Henze wrote: i've looked around the doc's and the net and i was not able to find sonme good docs on mail filtering. what i want sounds simple: i want to filter messages for one user to different folders in the maildir depending on headers or what ever.
Re: RBL list
Tonino, The RBL uses DNS, so if your DNS server is local then it is caching copies of the RBL list locally. Henry TAG wrote: Hi, Is there a way of keeping a local copy of the RBL lists and using those instead of trying to get it from the remote site - should this not speed things up - I also know that the list is updated all the time - but can some of you peoples please comment... Thanks Tonino begin:vcard n:Baragar;Henry tel;cell:416-453-5626 tel;work:416-453-5626 x-mozilla-html:TRUE url:www.instantiated.on.ca org:Instantiated Software Inc. adr:;;130 Banff Road;Toronto;Ontario;M4P 2P5;Canada version:2.1 email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Principal fn:Henry Baragar end:vcard S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: RBL list
Henry Baragar wrote: Tonino, The RBL uses DNS, so if your DNS server is local then it is caching copies of the RBL list locally. Henry TAG wrote: Hi, Is there a way of keeping a local copy of the RBL lists and using those instead of trying to get it from the remote site - should this not speed things up - I also know that the list is updated all the time - but can some of you peoples please comment... Thanks Tonino ok - thanks then!! Tonino
Re: RBL list
Tonino, I think I spoke too soon (only on my first cup of coffee)... Specific entries will have been cached if they have been seen before, but not necessarily the whole list. However, you can use DNS to get the complete list: see http://maps.vix.com/rbl/usage.html. Henry Henry Baragar wrote: Tonino, The RBL uses DNS, so if your DNS server is local then it is caching copies of the RBL list locally. Henry TAG wrote: Hi, Is there a way of keeping a local copy of the RBL lists and using those instead of trying to get it from the remote site - should this not speed things up - I also know that the list is updated all the time - but can some of you peoples please comment... Thanks Tonino ok - thanks then!! Tonino begin:vcard n:Baragar;Henry tel;cell:416-453-5626 tel;work:416-453-5626 x-mozilla-html:TRUE url:www.instantiated.on.ca org:Instantiated Software Inc. adr:;;130 Banff Road;Toronto;Ontario;M4P 2P5;Canada version:2.1 email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Principal fn:Henry Baragar end:vcard S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: IPCHAINS and slow POP/SMTP access
On Tue, Jul 18, 2000 at 01:08:36AM -0700, Doug Oucharek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I've searched the archives on this topic and though there are a lot of people who have reported this issue, I have not really seen a solution yet. I have a Linux box (Redhad 5.?) which I use as a firewall/server/NAT machine. One ethernet card is connected to an ADSL modem and has a fixed IP address. The other ethernet card is connected to a mini-hub and has the address of 192.168.1.1. I have a set of Mac's connected to the hub with addresses 192.168.1.100 and up. Have you tried running tcpdump to look at the network traffic? You can use this to see if your packet routing appears to be correct and that you haven't made a mistake in your ipchains rules.
Re: RBL list
On Tue, Jul 18, 2000 at 12:04:59PM +0200, TAG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there a way of keeping a local copy of the RBL lists and using those instead of trying to get it from the remote site - should this not speed things up - I also know that the list is updated all the time - but can some of you peoples please comment... To get the RBL list you need to go through some extra steps. The last time a checked you needed to sign an agreement not to hold MAPS liable for problems. Also note that when keeping a local copy of the list, you have to worry about what happens when MAPS takes some set of addresses off the list. There are ways to get complete copies of some other RBL styled lists. You might try looking at the primary web site for each list you are interested in to see what their policies are.
mail filters 2
hi, thanks for the feedback. after having a closer look i've discoverd that i do not need to know how to filter messages with qmail but how to filter messages at user level with qmail in conjuction vpopmail - any suggestions ? Matthias Henze MH458-RIPE MHC SoftWare GmbH voice: +49-(0)9533-92006-0 Fichtera 17 fax: +49-(0)9533-92006-6 96274 Itzgrund/Germanye-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - http://www.mhcsoftware.de ---
Re: IPCHAINS and slow POP/SMTP access
On Tue, Jul 18, 2000 at 01:08:36AM -0700, Doug Oucharek wrote: ... I've got Qmail running just great for both SMTP and POP!! However, as soon as I activate my firewall (using ipchains), sending or receiving email from a local machine takes over 3 minutes!! In the archives, some people have speculated that this is a DNS issue or a problem with auth. I have TCP port 113 (auth) opened to the world (local ... I have had similar problems for one of two reasons: a) DNS lookups were failing because port 53 was blocked out (make sure to include UDP packets as well) ipchains -A bad-dmz-s 0/0 53 -p tcp -j ACCEPT ipchains -A bad-dmz-s 0/0 53 -p udp -j ACCEPT b) ICMP messages were being blocked. ipchains -A forward -p icmp -j ACCEPT I don't remember, but I think this is mentioned in the ipchains HOWTO at http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/IPCHAINS-HOWTO.html Hope this helps. Aijaz. -- === = Aijaz Ansari. ENoor Creations, Inc. == Internet Software and Hosting = === www.enoor.com 847-980-1601
Re: RBL list
On Tue, Jul 18, 2000 at 08:49:48AM -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: ! There are ways to get complete copies of some other RBL styled lists. Indeed. DJB himself said as much on the dns list: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?m=95836494819286 ---Chris K. -- Chris, the Young One |_ but what's a dropped message between friends? Auckland, New Zealand |_ this is UDP, not TCP after all ;) ---John H. http://cloud9.hedgee.com/ |_ Robinson, IV PGP: 0xCCC6114E/0x706A6AAD |_
Re: fastforward and alternative alias file
On Tue, Jul 18, 2000 at 11:05:22AM +0200, Petr Novotny wrote: I must be missing something: I want to have an alternative aliases file to be used by a user controlling a few virtual domains. Yup. I know how I would _use_ such a file: $cat ~user/.qmail-default |fastforward -d ./alternative-aliases.cdb $ The question is: How do I _create_ such a file? According to the manpage, newaliases has /etc/aliases hardcoded in it. What's the alternative? (Except, of course, creating the file as /etc/aliases.cdb and then moving it somewhere; I don't want to give that used write permissions into /etc, obviously.) setforward is the real major program in fastforward. newaliases is just a wrapper that preserves some shudder sendmail compatibility. man setforward -- Ben Beuchler [EMAIL PROTECTED] MAILER-DAEMON (612)-321-9290 x101 Bitstream Underground www.bitstream.net
RE: questions about performance and setup
I did some benchmarking using a standard 7200 RPM disk and a 128MB ramdisk. The machine was not using any swap, so there was no chance of the ramdisk accidentally making it to disk. In short, performance on it sucked. The throughput was about 10% less than IDE, but seeks/sec were 5-10 times more. However, the CPU was maxed at 100% during tests to the ramdisk. Jay -Original Message- From: Oliver White [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2000 12:27 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: questions about performance and setup Steve Wolfe wrote: With all of the emails I recieved, I get the impression that I'm going to I/O bound instead of processor or memory bound. How much disk will be sufficient for the queue? 1GB? More? It's not so much a matter of disk size (I don't think you'll have a 1 gig queue!), You could quite easily get a 1 Gig queue, even if you don't run into the obvious problem of temporary loss of network connectivity. Say you've got 200,000 subscribers and you generate your messages twice as fast as qmail can send them, then when you've finished generating the messages you've still got 100,000 in the queue. If the messages are 10Kb each, that's 1 Gb. (I can put 2GB of ram in the box)? Linux has support for making a disk in memory, putting a filesystem on it and mounting it. Wouldn't this take care of I/O problems? That's about as good of I/O as you can get, I would imagine. ; ) As another author stated, the largest gain would be in writes, but that's where the largest expenditure is anyway. Just make dang, dang sure that your machine is NOT going to have any hiccups or lose power while the queue is full, or you'll instantly lose it all. What if you put the 2 Gb RAM in the box, but let Linux use it as a disk cache? I'm not sure how the disk caching under Linux works, but if you create a file and then delete it before it actually gets written to disk, is there any disk activity required? Sure, the disks will be thrashing away, trying to keep up, but would the I/O actually block if there was still room in the disk cache? - Oliver.
Re: Announcing qmail-autoresponder version 0.90
On Fri, 14 Jul 2000, Bruce Guenter wrote: On Fri, Jul 14, 2000 at 05:23:12PM +0200, Olivier M. wrote: [snip] - suggestion : I really miss this feature from vacation in your autoresponder: If the string $SUBJECT appears in the .vacation.msg file, it is replaced with the subject of the original message when the reply is sent. Maybe you want to take it on your todolist ? :) Sounds reasonable. I had been thinking of some way of putting the original subject into the response. The other way I was thinking of doing it would be a command-line option to add the original subject to the reply with a given prefix. It's be nice to have not just the subject, but the date, sender and possibly the message-id and recipient. -- Bruce Guenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://em.ca/~bruceg/ -- "Life is much too important to be taken seriously." Thomas Erskine[EMAIL PROTECTED](613) 998-2836
Re: RBL list
No, RBL onlt requires that you do that if you want certian levels of filtering (namely DNS). uscpi-tcp-88 has RBL built in.. www.qmail.org Paul Farber Farber Technology [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ph 570-628-5303 Fax 570-628-5545 On Tue, 18 Jul 2000, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Tue, Jul 18, 2000 at 12:04:59PM +0200, TAG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there a way of keeping a local copy of the RBL lists and using those instead of trying to get it from the remote site - should this not speed things up - I also know that the list is updated all the time - but can some of you peoples please comment... To get the RBL list you need to go through some extra steps. The last time a checked you needed to sign an agreement not to hold MAPS liable for problems. Also note that when keeping a local copy of the list, you have to worry about what happens when MAPS takes some set of addresses off the list. There are ways to get complete copies of some other RBL styled lists. You might try looking at the primary web site for each list you are interested in to see what their policies are.
Netscape Progress Patch
Are there any downsides to using the Netscape Messenger progress patch? In other words, does it violate the standards in such a way as to potentially break any other clients? Reminder of what patch does: replaces "okay();" in qmail-pop3d.c with puts("+OK "); put(strnum,fmt_ulong(strnum,m[i].size)); puts(" octets\r\n"); Thanks!
RE: IPCHAINS and slow POP/SMTP access
Since ipchains is a not really a firewall but a packet filter, you need to make sure you have the line: ipchains -A input -s 0.0.0.0/0.0.0.0 -d your public IP/255.255.255.255 -p 6 -j ACCEPT ! -y Make sure your firewall also accepts all packets from 192.168.1.0/24 also. Ipchains configs are sorta off topic, so if you have any other questions just email me instead of the list. Check these 2 things though, you probably already have them, but make sure. Chances are you don't even need the ipchains rules with the masquerade though, depends on what's running on the firewall box. You machines behind it are inherently protected by the fact that you're using port address translation for net access to them. Jay -Original Message- From: Doug Oucharek [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2000 3:09 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: IPCHAINS and slow POP/SMTP access Hello, I've searched the archives on this topic and though there are a lot of people who have reported this issue, I have not really seen a solution yet. I have a Linux box (Redhad 5.?) which I use as a firewall/server/NAT machine. One ethernet card is connected to an ADSL modem and has a fixed IP address. The other ethernet card is connected to a mini-hub and has the address of 192.168.1.1. I have a set of Mac's connected to the hub with addresses 192.168.1.100 and up. I've got Qmail running just great for both SMTP and POP!! However, as soon as I activate my firewall (using ipchains), sending or receiving email from a local machine takes over 3 minutes!! In the archives, some people have speculated that this is a DNS issue or a problem with auth. I have TCP port 113 (auth) opened to the world (local and internet) and am still having a problem. I suspect that there must be some other port I need to open up. Does anyone have a suggestion of where I can go from here? I am a bit new to Qmail and not too familiar with the debugging tools. By the way, I do not have DNS active on my Linux box and am relying on my ISP's DNS server (they have my domain name set up in their server). Doug
Re: Netscape Progress Patch
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 18 Jul 00, at 10:54, Michael T. Babcock wrote: Are there any downsides to using the Netscape Messenger progress patch? You're supporting broken technology. In other words, does it violate the standards in such a way as to potentially break any other clients? No, unless they're broken. (Of course, if you have to choose between supporting broken client 1 and broken client 2, well, tough luck...) Reminder of what patch does: replaces "okay();" in qmail-pop3d.c with puts("+OK "); put(strnum,fmt_ulong(strnum,m[i].size)); puts(" octets\r\n"); Well, yeah. "+OK" field is mandatory, the rest is optional and can be anything. Netscape is brain-dead to parse the comment and try to make anything of it. My Pegasus can show me downloading progress, without need to parse a comment... Go figure. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.0.2 -- QDPGP 2.60 Comment: http://community.wow.net/grt/qdpgp.html iQA/AwUBOXRikVMwP8g7qbw/EQIbngCbB8GkW4bUaEnHkoVRaTP7eaI65YcAn3G/ +r/rz4zNIQZJT1QPFKZB6upF =r+Hs -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Petr Novotny, ANTEK CS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.antek.cz PGP key ID: 0x3BA9BC3F -- Don't you know there ain't no devil there's just God when he's drunk. [Tom Waits]
Multilog problem
hello, i try to install Qmail, but i have a problem when i launch the script svscan before launching qmail Multilog: ...can't acces to the directories /var/log/qmail/qmail-send Multilog: ...can't acces to the directories /var/log/qmail/qmail-smtpd this error print infinite messages on the term ... and it is'nt pretty to read ;) i haven't forget the qmail log directory with the righ access: chown qmaill /var/log/qmail chown qmaill /var/log/qmail/* but it is'nt working :( someone can help me please ... Dji. P.S : the solution not seems to be in the FAQ... -- Audouy Jérôme - 3rd year student in E.S.S.I. (Ecole Supérieure en Sciences Informatiques) e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] www: http://djidji.citeweb.net
Re: questions about performance and setup
What if you put the 2 Gb RAM in the box, but let Linux use it as a disk cache? I'm not sure how the disk caching under Linux works, but if you create a file and then delete it before it actually gets written to disk, is there any disk activity required? Sure, the disks will be thrashing away, trying to keep up, but would the I/O actually block if there was still room in the disk cache? Yes it will block. That's the whole point of the fsync() calls embedded within qmail. The code wants to be sure that data is on disk before proceeding. The only caveat is that some file systems may *lie* about the results of their fsync() and tell the process that the data has been placed on disk when it still sits in memory. In that sort of scenario you may well gain, especially if the I/O queue is subsequently sorted by cylinder prior to sending to the disk. As others have said, it's the cost of seeking - the amount of data is often trivial. Thus the concept of zeroseek which is pretty similar to what a journalling file system is trying to do on a more general level. Regards.
Re: questions about performance and setup
"Hubbard, David" wrote: know what you're getting into on the Dell boxes if you choose to run linux. I've got a Dell PE2400 dual that runs linux and you're going to be at the mercy of Dell and Adaptec on when you upgrade your kernel because they have some sorry proprietary drivers for their RAID controllers that are tailored to a specific kernel version and redhat sub-revision. If you can put up with that, then Redhat Linux/Qmail on a Dell runs very fast, I'm happy with mine. But at the same Just for the record, it depends on the RAID controller that you purchase from Dell. The PERC 2/DC and 2/SC (Dual Channel and Single Channel) are just AMI MegaRAID controllers with open source drivers included in the standard kernels. The PERC 3/Si (and maybe the PERC 2/Si?) are the Adaptec RAIDPort controllers with closed-source drivers. You have to wait for Adaptec/Dell to release new precompiled modules that can only be used with specific kernels that Redhat releases. But, the PERC 3/Si is much cheaper than the 2/DC if you are on a budget, need RAID, and don't care about having the latest kernel. You can probably get a better DPT card for around the same price, though. (Note: Adaptec now owns DPT) I have a Dell 2450 with PERC 2/DC controller and 18GB mirrored disks running linux with Qmail. Compiled latest standard kernel with no problem, and the machine runs like a champ. Later ;) -- S. Clint Bullock Network Administrator University of Georgia Office of the Vice President for Research 626 Boyd GSRC Athens, GA 30602-7411 (706) 542-5936 (706) 542-5638 FAX begin:vcard n:Bullock;Clint tel;fax:(706) 542-5946 tel;work:(706) 542-5936 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://www.ovpr.uga.edu org:University of Georgia;Office of the Vice President for Research adr:;;626 Boyd GSRC;Athens;GA;30602-7411;USA version:2.1 email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Network Administrator fn:Clint Bullock end:vcard
Re: RBL list
On Tue, Jul 18, 2000 at 10:44:49AM -0400, Paul Farber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, RBL onlt requires that you do that if you want certian levels of filtering (namely DNS). uscpi-tcp-88 has RBL built in.. www.qmail.org But this program does a remote lookup each time. The original question asked about getting a complete copy of the database to speed up lookups.
Re: questions about performance and setup
Nothing wrong with 100% CPU usage. It just means that the kernel was able to soak the CPU with work ... which is good. Maxing out your performance on a RAM disk at 75% CPU usage means your system has a problem somewhere. As for performance though, I'd be interested in seeing the actual numbers from the ramdisk test to check against my 10k RPM disk stats. "Austad, Jay" wrote: I did some benchmarking using a standard 7200 RPM disk and a 128MB ramdisk. The machine was not using any swap, so there was no chance of the ramdisk accidentally making it to disk. In short, performance on it sucked. The throughput was about 10% less than IDE, but seeks/sec were 5-10 times more. However, the CPU was maxed at 100% during tests to the ramdisk.
Re: RBL list
The part I was zeroing in on was that you needed to sign a waiver to use the RBL. That is incorrect. You need to sign a waiver if you get the zone file via DNS zone transfers. I'm using RBL now and didn't sign a thing but I don't use the zone file. Paul Farber Farber Technology [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ph 570-628-5303 Fax 570-628-5545 On Tue, 18 Jul 2000, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Tue, Jul 18, 2000 at 10:44:49AM -0400, Paul Farber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, RBL onlt requires that you do that if you want certian levels of filtering (namely DNS). uscpi-tcp-88 has RBL built in.. www.qmail.org But this program does a remote lookup each time. The original question asked about getting a complete copy of the database to speed up lookups.
Re: RBL list
If you use a caching nameserver, frequent domains will automatically be cached for a given amount of time. If you read the entire website for the RBL (or other related lists) you'll find that they have subscription options ... basically you'd set yourself up as a slave server that downloads the list. This isn't really practical in my experience because it is a large amount of bandwidth to download the lists periodically ... TAG wrote: Is there a way of keeping a local copy of the RBL lists and using those instead of trying to get it from the remote site - should this not speed things up - I also know that the list is updated all the time - but can some of you peoples please comment...
RE: questions about performance and setup
As for performance though, I'd be interested in seeing the actual numbers from the ramdisk test to check against my 10k RPM disk stats. I used bonnie++ to test it. I'll post the results sometime today, when I get some time. Jay -Original Message- From: Michael T. Babcock [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2000 10:41 AM To: Austad, Jay; Qmail Mailing List Subject: Re: questions about performance and setup Nothing wrong with 100% CPU usage. It just means that the kernel was able to soak the CPU with work ... which is good. Maxing out your performance on a RAM disk at 75% CPU usage means your system has a problem somewhere. As for performance though, I'd be interested in seeing the actual numbers from the ramdisk test to check against my 10k RPM disk stats. "Austad, Jay" wrote: I did some benchmarking using a standard 7200 RPM disk and a 128MB ramdisk. The machine was not using any swap, so there was no chance of the ramdisk accidentally making it to disk. In short, performance on it sucked. The throughput was about 10% less than IDE, but seeks/sec were 5-10 times more. However, the CPU was maxed at 100% during tests to the ramdisk.
qmailanalog and zoverall.
Hi, I run a qmail server and I want know the total number of bytes sent trought it, y use qmailanalog 0.70 and gawk 3.0.4, but instead of show the total bytes in completes messages show a nunmber like this 1.983e+10, I tried use gawk and mawk, the server is a Debian GNU/Linux 2.2 on a PII 450, anyone know whats the problem?. Completed messages: 203516 Recipients for completed messages: 249900 Total delivery attempts for completed messages: 262893 Average delivery attempts per completed message: 1.29176 Bytes in completed messages: 1.983e+10 Bytes weighted by success: 3.26035e+10 Average message qtime (s): 187.789 Total delivery attempts: 277221 success: 248610 failure: 3155 deferral: 25456 Total ddelay (s): 41635824.792378 Average ddelay per success (s): 167.474457 Total xdelay (s): 6424254.748057 Average xdelay per delivery attempt (s): 23.173767 Time span (days): 15.0111 Average concurrency: 4.95331
Re: IPCHAINS and slow POP/SMTP access
This was the solution!! When I allowed access to the DNS port (53), I specified destination only (-d 0/0). Adding another rule for the source did the trick!! Thanks big time! Doug From: "Aijaz A. Ansari" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 09:07:47 -0500 To: Doug Oucharek [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: IPCHAINS and slow POP/SMTP access On Tue, Jul 18, 2000 at 01:08:36AM -0700, Doug Oucharek wrote: ... I've got Qmail running just great for both SMTP and POP!! However, as soon as I activate my firewall (using ipchains), sending or receiving email from a local machine takes over 3 minutes!! In the archives, some people have speculated that this is a DNS issue or a problem with auth. I have TCP port 113 (auth) opened to the world (local ... I have had similar problems for one of two reasons: a) DNS lookups were failing because port 53 was blocked out (make sure to include UDP packets as well) ipchains -A bad-dmz-s 0/0 53 -p tcp -j ACCEPT ipchains -A bad-dmz-s 0/0 53 -p udp -j ACCEPT b) ICMP messages were being blocked. ipchains -A forward -p icmp -j ACCEPT I don't remember, but I think this is mentioned in the ipchains HOWTO at http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/IPCHAINS-HOWTO.html Hope this helps. Aijaz. -- === = Aijaz Ansari. ENoor Creations, Inc. == Internet Software and Hosting = === www.enoor.com 847-980-1601
Re: Netscape Progress Patch
Petr Novotny writes: Well, yeah. "+OK" field is mandatory, the rest is optional and can be anything. Netscape is brain-dead to parse the comment and try to make anything of it. Yup. This is 100% Netscape brain damage. They can and should have gotten the information from a different command. -- -russ nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://russnelson.com Crynwr sells support for free software | PGPok | 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315 268 1925 voice | Is Unix compatible with Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | +1 315 268 9201 FAX | Linux?
sqwebmail cannot install
Hi all: now i have a problem when install sqwebmail, I use vpopmail+mysql+sqwebmail,and have installed vopopmail4.8.4+mysql. i think it is ok. then there is some problem when i install sqwebmail0.37. i run ./configure --enalbe-authvchkpw --without-authpam --without-authuserdb --without-authpwd --without-authshadow --enable-webpass=no then run make there is some error massage like this: ... /usr/local/vpopmail-4.8.4/vauth.c 537:undefined reference to 'mysql_free_result' /home/vpopmail/lib/libvpopmail.a vuth.o):infunction'vopen_smtp_relay': /usr/local/vpopmail-4.8.4/vauth.c 563:undefined reference to 'mysql_query' /usr/local/vpopmail-4.8.4/vauth.c 584:undefined reference to 'mysql_query' . . . make[1]:***[authvchkpw] Error 1 make:***[all-recursive] Error 1 /usr/local/vpopmail-4.8.4 is the path i unzip the tar file /home/vpopmail is the path i install even if i delete the path /usr/local/vpopmail-4.8.4 ,the error is the same. i install mysql with rpm file. mysql lib path: /usr/lib/mysql mysql include path: /usr/include/mysql i reinstall Redhat6.2+qmail+mysql+vpopmail, it is all ok. when i install sqwebmail, it is the same error. i am very vey anxious and will appreciate for ur help. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Announcing qmail-autoresponder version 0.90
On Tue, Jul 18, 2000 at 10:42:35AM -0400, Thomas Erskine wrote: On Fri, 14 Jul 2000, Bruce Guenter wrote: Sounds reasonable. I had been thinking of some way of putting the original subject into the response. The other way I was thinking of doing it would be a command-line option to add the original subject to the reply with a given prefix. It's be nice to have not just the subject, but the date, sender and possibly the message-id and recipient. The original sender gets added as a "To:" line, the date is auto-generated as is the message-id, and the original recipient can be emulated by putting a "From:" line and "Return-Path:" into the message file. Why in the world would you want to copy the original date and message-id into the new message header? -- Bruce Guenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://em.ca/~bruceg/ PGP signature
Re: questions about performance and setup
Is UTIME necessary in a mail queue? If a logging filesystem were mounted on a separate disk (or network array, etc.) specifically for the mail queue, shouldn't it be mounted without UTIME? Bruce Guenter wrote: The only way to get truely zero seek performance is to use a log-structured file system on a clean disk. Otherwise, you will seek occasionally to write out some dirty metadata. Even if you pre-allocate your log file on a regular filesystem, you will seek occasionally (once a second, AFAICT) to update the utime in the inode.
Re: Netscape Progress Patch
Does anyone know if this behaviour persists in Mozilla? http://bugzilla.mozilla.org Russell Nelson wrote: Petr Novotny writes: Well, yeah. "+OK" field is mandatory, the rest is optional and can be anything. Netscape is brain-dead to parse the comment and try to make anything of it. Yup. This is 100% Netscape brain damage. They can and should have gotten the information from a different command.
Re: qmailanalog and zoverall.
Is awk perhaps using an output format that uses scientific notation when the number (mbytes) is too large? Should you change "print mbytes" to "printf ("%d", mbytes)" ??? Moragues Ramón, Antonio wrote: Hi, I run a qmail server and I want know the total number of bytes sent trought it, y use qmailanalog 0.70 and gawk 3.0.4, but instead of show the total bytes in completes messages show a nunmber like this 1.983e+10, I tried use gawk and mawk, the server is a Debian GNU/Linux 2.2 on a PII 450, anyone know whats the problem?. Completed messages: 203516 Recipients for completed messages: 249900 Total delivery attempts for completed messages: 262893 Average delivery attempts per completed message: 1.29176 Bytes in completed messages: 1.983e+10 Bytes weighted by success: 3.26035e+10 Average message qtime (s): 187.789 Total delivery attempts: 277221 success: 248610 failure: 3155 deferral: 25456 Total ddelay (s): 41635824.792378 Average ddelay per success (s): 167.474457 Total xdelay (s): 6424254.748057 Average xdelay per delivery attempt (s): 23.173767 Time span (days): 15.0111 Average concurrency: 4.95331
Re: questions about performance and setup
On Tue, Jul 18, 2000 at 01:25:36PM -0400, Michael T. Babcock wrote: Is UTIME necessary in a mail queue? If a logging filesystem were mounted on a separate disk (or network array, etc.) specifically for the mail queue, shouldn't it be mounted without UTIME? You cannot mount without mtime (I misspelt it -- utime is the syscall) AFAIK. You can mount without atime (access time). mtime is changed every time the file is modified. ctime is changed every time the inode is modified (file size change, permissions, etc.) atime is changed every time the file is accessed. -- Bruce Guenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://em.ca/~bruceg/ PGP signature
Re: questions about performance and setup
On Tue, Jul 18, 2000 at 01:25:36PM -0400, Michael T. Babcock wrote: Is UTIME necessary in a mail queue? If a logging filesystem were mounted on a separate disk (or network array, etc.) specifically for the mail queue, shouldn't it be mounted without UTIME? Do you mean atime or mtime? In either case, not all Unixen allow such mount options. Sepcifically Solaris only has noatime. I'd be surprised though if the OS wants to update the directory once a second to get an atime/mtime on disk for an opened file. Maybe once a minute which is not an unreasonable cost for zeroseek. This is probably something that's more appropriately discussed on the zeroseek list. The bottom line though is that when qmail-queue exits(0), the email must be phsyically on disk which means there must be at least one fsync() - no choice whatsoever. The zeroseek question is all about how you minimize the number of fsyncs and how you structure the queue so that the fsync() incurs a minimal seek on disk. Oh and combine that with appropriate security access to that queue structure and your done! Regards. Bruce Guenter wrote: The only way to get truely zero seek performance is to use a log-structured file system on a clean disk. Otherwise, you will seek occasionally to write out some dirty metadata. Even if you pre-allocate your log file on a regular filesystem, you will seek occasionally (once a second, AFAICT) to update the utime in the inode.
Re: Announcing qmail-autoresponder version 0.90
On Tue, Jul 18, 2000 at 01:14:06PM -0400, Thomas Erskine wrote: The original sender gets added as a "To:" line, the date is auto-generated as is the message-id, and the original recipient can be emulated by putting a "From:" line and "Return-Path:" into the message file. Why in the world would you want to copy the original date and message-id into the new message header? Not into the header, but into the body of the reply. You can already copy the original message into the reply, optionally limiting its size. -- Bruce Guenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://em.ca/~bruceg/ PGP signature
alert: unable to opendir todo
Hi I have got following problem: QMail doesn't deliver mail. This error is written in /var/log/mail every 10 seconds: Jul 18 18:43:18 serverbox qmail: 963938598.822295 alert: unable to opendir todo, sleeping... Jul 18 18:43:28 serverbox qmail: 963938608.832287 alert: unable to opendir todo, sleeping... Jul 18 18:43:38 serverbox qmail: 963938618.842284 alert: unable to opendir todo, sleeping... here is some more information: "ls -l /var/qmail/queue | grep todo" drwxr-x--- 2 qmailq qmail4096 Jul 18 18:39 todo "ls -l /var/qmail/queue/todo" drwxr-x--- 2 qmailq qmail4096 Jul 18 18:23 ./ drwxr-x--- 11 qmailq qmail4096 Jul 18 17:48 ../ -rw-r--r-- 2 qmailq root 48 Jul 18 17:50 211303 -rw-r--r-- 2 qmailq root 48 Jul 18 17:53 211305 -rw-r--r-- 2 qmailq root 48 Jul 18 17:54 211307 -rw-r--r-- 2 qmailq root 48 Jul 18 17:59 211312 -rw-r--r-- 2 qmailq root 48 Jul 18 17:59 211314 these 5 files have been created after I did (5 times) : "echo to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | /var/qmail/bin/qmail-inject" -rw-r--r-- 2 qmailq nofiles50 Jul 18 18:22 211316 -rw-r--r-- 2 qmailq nofiles48 Jul 18 18:22 211318 -rw-r--r-- 2 qmailq nofiles48 Jul 18 18:23 211320 these three files have been created, after I sent mail from a email account on an other host. Thanks in advance, Stephan
Re: questions about performance and setup
To be honest, I'm not aware of being able to disable UTIME either, although NOATIME is an option on Linux as well. I asked because it occured to me that this meta data is not terribly useful to mail servers (as the times necessary are stored in the data files themselves). Being able to shut these off may or may not reduce performance penalties of fsync()'s. Might be an issue for the ReiserFS or EXT3 people to think about. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jul 18, 2000 at 01:25:36PM -0400, Michael T. Babcock wrote: Is UTIME necessary in a mail queue? If a logging filesystem were mounted on a separate disk (or network array, etc.) specifically for the mail queue, shouldn't it be mounted without UTIME? Do you mean atime or mtime? In either case, not all Unixen allow such mount options. Sepcifically Solaris only has noatime. I'd be surprised though if the OS wants to update the directory once a second to get an atime/mtime on disk for an opened file. Maybe once a minute which is not an unreasonable cost for zeroseek.
Re: questions about performance and setup
Yes, sorry ... utime. But as I said in the other message ... it would be nice. Bruce Guenter wrote: You cannot mount without mtime (I misspelt it -- utime is the syscall) AFAIK. You can mount without atime (access time). mtime is changed every time the file is modified. ctime is changed every time the inode is modified (file size change, permissions, etc.) atime is changed every time the file is accessed.
Re: Multilog problem
Audouy Jérôme [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i try to install Qmail, but i have a problem when i launch the script svscan before launching qmail Multilog: ...can't acces to the directories /var/log/qmail/qmail-send Multilog: ...can't acces to the directories /var/log/qmail/qmail-smtpd this error print infinite messages on the term ... and it is'nt pretty to read ;) i haven't forget the qmail log directory with the righ access: chown qmaill /var/log/qmail chown qmaill /var/log/qmail/* Access to /var/log/qmail/qmail-send requires more than just the correct owner. The mode on the directory has to be right, as does the mode of all of the parent directories. Do: ls -ld / /var /var/log /var/log/qmail /var/log/qmail/* and post the results. -Dave
Defining as local and not remote
Hello all, I was wondering if I could get some help with a small problem I have. I have configured my qmail, and it is running fine. I have made sure that it is not an open relay, but I found one small glitch that I would like to fix. I have been successful stopping relaying to outside hosts using tcpserver, but any message starting with a Message ID can be delivered to an outside host. I would like to stop this. I realize the importance of having the Null Message headers for bounces, but I would like to stop the ability to send from my server to an outside site without a Message ID. Thanks for your help.
Re: Defining as local and not remote
Quoting Robert Spraggs ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): I have been successful stopping relaying to outside hosts using tcpserver, but any message starting with a Message ID can be delivered to an Do you mean anything with a null return path? qmail doesn't give a whit what's in the message-id, nor does it relay to anywhere just because the return path is null. Only connections that have RELAYCLIENT set or to recipients in rcpthosts are accepted for relay. If this is really the behavior you see, you need to provide information on your qmail setup--any patches, addons, etc that you have applied or using that may cause this sort of behavior. The results of qmail-showctl and the IP address of the server in question would be nice, too, so others can test it. Results of your relay tests (telnet to port 25, for example) may be helpful. To be sure, I've never seen such behavior by stock qmail, so something is rotten in Denmark. :) Aaron
How do I stop this spam test from failing?
I have been put on the RSS and ORBS list because this test keeps failing: MAIL FROM:spamtest@[199.175.103.1] 250 ok RCPT TO:[EMAIL PROTECTED]@[199.175.103.1] 250 ok DATA 354 go ahead (message body) 250 ok 962278341 qp 3683 /var/local/maps/rss/bin/rly: relay accepted - final response code 250 Is there any way to configure Qmail to stop this type of mail from being accepted? I know that even though it allows the message, that it may not necessarily work, because it fails at a later stage. I have tested with ORBS and the test comes back as allowing the message to process, but the message never actually gets delivered, so I know that it is not acting as a relay. It would be nice for the test to fail so that these spam controllers have absolutely no reason to put someone on the list. Thanks.
Re: How do I stop this spam test from failing?
You don't get added to ORBS unless they receive a relayed mail back from you. In addition, you don't get added to RSS unless someone has forwarded them a piece of UCE which has been relayed through your server. So you have some sort of problem or misconfiguration besides what you have pasted here which is allowing spammers to relay through your host. --Adam On Tue, Jul 18, 2000 at 12:27:11PM -0700, Robert Spraggs wrote: I have been put on the RSS and ORBS list because this test keeps failing: MAIL FROM:spamtest@[199.175.103.1] 250 ok RCPT TO:[EMAIL PROTECTED]@[199.175.103.1] 250 ok DATA 354 go ahead (message body) 250 ok 962278341 qp 3683 /var/local/maps/rss/bin/rly: relay accepted - final response code 250 Is there any way to configure Qmail to stop this type of mail from being accepted? I know that even though it allows the message, that it may not necessarily work, because it fails at a later stage. I have tested with ORBS and the test comes back as allowing the message to process, but the message never actually gets delivered, so I know that it is not acting as a relay. It would be nice for the test to fail so that these spam controllers have absolutely no reason to put someone on the list. Thanks.
Re: How do I stop this spam test from failing?
I know. I had a misconfiguration problem earlier, and I am trying to rectify the situation. I was wondering if it was possible to setup the qmail so I do not have this problem in the future. I figure that if I disable that feature in the qmail, then I should knock out about 99% of the possible ways that a spammer could use my system as a relay again. Wrong thinking? Thanks. At 03:33 PM 7/18/00 -0400, Adam McKenna wrote: You don't get added to ORBS unless they receive a relayed mail back from you. In addition, you don't get added to RSS unless someone has forwarded them a piece of UCE which has been relayed through your server. So you have some sort of problem or misconfiguration besides what you have pasted here which is allowing spammers to relay through your host. --Adam On Tue, Jul 18, 2000 at 12:27:11PM -0700, Robert Spraggs wrote: I have been put on the RSS and ORBS list because this test keeps failing: MAIL FROM:spamtest@[199.175.103.1] 250 ok RCPT TO:[EMAIL PROTECTED]@[199.175.103.1] 250 ok DATA 354 go ahead (message body) 250 ok 962278341 qp 3683 /var/local/maps/rss/bin/rly: relay accepted - final response code 250 Is there any way to configure Qmail to stop this type of mail from being accepted? I know that even though it allows the message, that it may not necessarily work, because it fails at a later stage. I have tested with ORBS and the test comes back as allowing the message to process, but the message never actually gets delivered, so I know that it is not acting as a relay. It would be nice for the test to fail so that these spam controllers have absolutely no reason to put someone on the list. Thanks.
Re: How do I stop this spam test from failing?
On Tue, Jul 18, 2000 at 12:34:27PM -0700, Robert Spraggs wrote: I know. I had a misconfiguration problem earlier, and I am trying to rectify the situation. I was wondering if it was possible to setup the qmail so I do not have this problem in the future. I figure that if I disable that feature in the qmail, then I should knock out about 99% of the possible ways that a spammer could use my system as a relay again. The only way qmail relays a message is if RELAYCLIENT is (explicitly) set, or if the RCPT domain is in rcpthosts. That is the ONLY way qmail will relay a message. There are no vulnerabilities in qmail which allow spammers to relay messages through your server if it is configured properly. If you want to be removed from ORBS/RSS then you should inform them that your servers have been secured. I have been running qmail for years along with many other people on this list and I have never had trouble with ORBS or RSS. --Adam
Re: How do I stop this spam test from failing?
But why does qmail allow for this type of address to be accepted as ok? RCPT TO:[EMAIL PROTECTED]@[199.175.103.1] What normal use would there be for such a message construct? I'm sorry for the questions, but I need to make sure that I will not be used as a relay again, and I would like to know more about how it was used in the first place. Thanks again. At 03:43 PM 7/18/00 -0400, Adam McKenna wrote: On Tue, Jul 18, 2000 at 12:34:27PM -0700, Robert Spraggs wrote: I know. I had a misconfiguration problem earlier, and I am trying to rectify the situation. I was wondering if it was possible to setup the qmail so I do not have this problem in the future. I figure that if I disable that feature in the qmail, then I should knock out about 99% of the possible ways that a spammer could use my system as a relay again. The only way qmail relays a message is if RELAYCLIENT is (explicitly) set, or if the RCPT domain is in rcpthosts. That is the ONLY way qmail will relay a message. There are no vulnerabilities in qmail which allow spammers to relay messages through your server if it is configured properly. If you want to be removed from ORBS/RSS then you should inform them that your servers have been secured. I have been running qmail for years along with many other people on this list and I have never had trouble with ORBS or RSS. --Adam
many mails to same user
What is the easiest way to acomplish this forwarding in qmail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] @gemal.dk - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Do I really have to have 5 .qmail files??? Isn't there a way to say: [bla1|bla2]@gemal.dk - [EMAIL PROTECTED] [kill|spam]@gemal.dk - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Henrik Gemal, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Webmail Evangelist Tele Danmark Internet http://gemal.dk/card/
Re: Defining as local and not remote
Quoting Robert Spraggs ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): I am using the out-of-the-box configuration of qmail 1.0.3. Jul 11 13:43:10 noif qmail: 963348190.748946 info msg 2654625: bytes 1426 from qp 17024 uid 7774 Jul 11 13:43:10 noif qmail: 963348190.760341 starting delivery 9163: msg 2654625 to remote [EMAIL PROTECTED] I would have thought that this message should have failed since it is not in my rcpthosts, or listed in my tcp.smtp.cbd file, and therefore not considered local. Here is my tcp.smtp: 192.168.2.:allow,RELAYCLIENT"" :allow Hmm, well the output of tcpserver's logfile would help more with determining whether this connection comes from an IP address that is allowed relaying. Second, that rule 192.168.2.:allow,RELAYCLIENT"" is not formatted properly. It should be RELAYCLIENT="" -- although I must say the formatting error would not cause unauthorized relay. It would seem you're obfuscating your IP addresses, or else really using reserved IP space? If the IP address isn't in your rules file and setting RELAYCLIENT, with stock qmail and a working tcpserver with rules, I can only think of one thing: the message is accepted by another mail server in the 192.168.2.0/24 network with your qmail server as its smarthost. There's no other way to relay through stock qmail if you have a rcpthosts file present. RELAYCLIENT *has* to be set, period. So, what was the IP address of the connection that initiated that mail transfer? Don't obfuscate, show us the real stuff, and the tcpserver logs. Aaron
Re: How do I stop this spam test from failing?
Quoting Robert Spraggs ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): But why does qmail allow for this type of address to be accepted as ok? RCPT TO:[EMAIL PROTECTED]@[199.175.103.1] What normal use would there be for such a message construct? Back in the day with sendmaul, this would send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] via 199.175.103.1. Nowadays, I'd say use is pretty much restricted to spammers who try to get around anti-relay configurations, and who are often successful due to MTA bugs and admin-induced holes, hence the need to test servers for such flaws. qmail will bounce the mail after it fails to find a local user named "[EMAIL PROTECTED]". qmail accepts all local deliveries unless not allowed by badmailfrom or similiar. Like Adam said, it's nothing for you to worry about, since the relay tester will never get a reply back. Aaron
Re: Defining as local and not remote
Unfortunately I do not have the tcpserver logfiles. The tcp.smtp error is my bad typing again. As for not giving you the rest, I'm a lazy typer as well, I only gave you the last lines. sorry. I was thinking( I know a dangerous concept :-) ) would putting the following in the tcp.smtp.cbd file be as effective: 127.0.0.1:allow 199.175.103.1:allow --- the IP of the mail host --- That would make sure that only local messages would be delivered, right? Thanks again for the help. At 12:58 PM 7/18/00 -0700, Aaron L. Meehan wrote: Quoting Robert Spraggs ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): I am using the out-of-the-box configuration of qmail 1.0.3. Jul 11 13:43:10 noif qmail: 963348190.748946 info msg 2654625: bytes 1426 from qp 17024 uid 7774 Jul 11 13:43:10 noif qmail: 963348190.760341 starting delivery 9163: msg 2654625 to remote [EMAIL PROTECTED] I would have thought that this message should have failed since it is not in my rcpthosts, or listed in my tcp.smtp.cbd file, and therefore not considered local. Here is my tcp.smtp: 192.168.2.:allow,RELAYCLIENT"" :allow Hmm, well the output of tcpserver's logfile would help more with determining whether this connection comes from an IP address that is allowed relaying. Second, that rule 192.168.2.:allow,RELAYCLIENT"" is not formatted properly. It should be RELAYCLIENT="" -- although I must say the formatting error would not cause unauthorized relay. It would seem you're obfuscating your IP addresses, or else really using reserved IP space? If the IP address isn't in your rules file and setting RELAYCLIENT, with stock qmail and a working tcpserver with rules, I can only think of one thing: the message is accepted by another mail server in the 192.168.2.0/24 network with your qmail server as its smarthost. There's no other way to relay through stock qmail if you have a rcpthosts file present. RELAYCLIENT *has* to be set, period. So, what was the IP address of the connection that initiated that mail transfer? Don't obfuscate, show us the real stuff, and the tcpserver logs. Aaron
Re: How do I stop this spam test from failing?
Hi, this is an old problem. Apply the SPAMCONTROL patch http://www.fehcom.de/qmail_en.html and put "spamtest*" in badmailpatterns. That'll do. cheers. eh. At 12:27 18.7.2000 -0700, Robert Spraggs wrote: I have been put on the RSS and ORBS list because this test keeps failing: MAIL FROM:spamtest@[199.175.103.1] 250 ok RCPT TO:[EMAIL PROTECTED]@[199.175.103.1] 250 ok DATA 354 go ahead (message body) 250 ok 962278341 qp 3683 /var/local/maps/rss/bin/rly: relay accepted - final response code 250 Is there any way to configure Qmail to stop this type of mail from being accepted? I know that even though it allows the message, that it may not necessarily work, because it fails at a later stage. I have tested with ORBS and the test comes back as allowing the message to process, but the message never actually gets delivered, so I know that it is not acting as a relay. It would be nice for the test to fail so that these spam controllers have absolutely no reason to put someone on the list. Thanks. +---+ | fffhh http://www.fehcom.deDr. Erwin Hoffmann | | ff hh| | ffeee ccc ooomm mm mm Wiener Weg 8 | | fff ee ee hh hh cc oo oo mmm mm mm 50858 Koeln| | ff ee eee hh hh cc oo oo mm mm mm| | ff eee hh hh cc oo oo mm mm mm Tel 0221 484 4923 | | ff hh hhccc ooomm mm mm Fax 0221 484 4924 | +---+
several mail domains on one machine
Hi, I got real confused about reading many different sources about how to setup and configure Qmail, but can't solve my problem at all: I need to run several different mail domains on one machine, but any one with different user accounts. Sample: mail.one.com(users A, B, C) mail.two.com(users D, E, F) mail.three.de (users G, H and A, D) Of course a mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" is not allowed, and so on. Any mail domain has it own user base. Qmail is installed and seems to run fine. But no matter what I tried I can send mail to user A in any configured domain, not only to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I also tried fastforward, no changings. Thanks for any help, Thomas
Urgent Help Needed
This evening I attempted to bring up my companys qmail server. Things are not going well. I installed these packages checkpassword-0.81 daemontools-0.70 qmail-1.03 ucspi-tcp-0.88 I am starting POP in a different way. I created a /var/qmail/supervise/qmail-pop3d/run file like this: #!/bin/sh QMAILDUID=`id -u qmaild` NOFILESGID=`id -g qmaild` exec /usr/local/bin/softlimit -m 200 \ /usr/local/bin/tcpserver -v -R 0 pop3 /var/qmail/bin/qmail-popup mailperson.cardinalservices.com \ /usr/local/bin/checkpassword /var/qmail/bin/qmail-pop3d Maildir 21 I made sure that 'pop3' is in /etc/services stopped sendmail - /etc/rc.d/init.d/sendmail stop made my aliases for postmaster and such. I removed these lines from /etc/inetd.conf completely REMOVED these lines # do not uncomment smtp unless you *really* know what you are doing. # smtp is handled by the sendmail daemon now, not smtpd. It does NOT # run from here, it is started at boot time from /etc/rc.d/rc#.d. #smtp stream tcp nowait root/usr/bin/smtpd smtpd #nntp stream tcp nowait root/usr/sbin/tcpd in.nntpd pop-2 stream tcp nowait root/usr/sbin/tcpd ipop2d #pop-3 stream tcp nowait root/usr/sbin/tcpd ipop3d pop-3 stream tcp nowait root/usr/sbin/tcpd popper -sR #pop-3 stream tcp nowait root/usr/sbin/tcpd in.qpopper imapstream tcp nowait root/usr/sbin/tcpd imapd and rebooted the server. After reboot I do a ps waux | grep qmail qmaild /usr/local/bin/tcpserver -v -p -x /etc/tcp.smtp.cdb -u 771 -g 730 0 smtp /var/qmail/bin/qmail-smtpd qmaill /usr/local/bin/multilog t !tai64nlocal /var/log/qmail qmaill /usr/local/bin/multilog t !tai64nlocal /var/log/qmail/smtpd qmaill /usr/local/bin/multilog t !tai64nlocal /var/log/qmail/pop3d qmailq qmail-clean qmailr qmail-rspawn qmails qmail-send root supervise qmail-send root supervise qmail-smtpd root supervise qmail-pop3d root /usr/local/bin/tcpserver -v -R 0 pop3 /var/qmail/bin/qmail-popup mailperson.cardinalservice s.com /usr root qmail-lspawn ./Maildir/ As I attempt to gather my mail through Outlook Express, it prompts me for password. I try multiple accounts with no luck. My password is rejected. That's odd. I just checked the line in the above script /usr/local/bin/checkpassword /var/qmail/bin/qmail-pop3d Maildir 21 I did a 'locate checkpassword' and it showed it in /bin, and I changed the script, but my password still isn't good. Any Ideas? On top of that, I got the convert-and-create script from qmail.org. I chmod 755 it. When I run it , I get this: Bareword found where operator expected at /var/qmail/bin/convert-and-create line 8, near "/var/spool" (Missing operator before pool?) syntax error at /var/qmail/bin/convert-and-create line 8, near "/var/spool" Execution of /var/qmail/bin/convert-and-create aborted due to compilation e rrors. Anyone ever come across this one? Any help is appreciated tony.campisi
Re: Urgent Help Needed
From: Tony Campisi [EMAIL PROTECTED] /usr/local/bin/tcpserver -v -R 0 pop3 /var/qmail/bin/qmail-popup Shouldn't that be /usr/local/bin/tcpserver -v -R 0 pop-3 /var/qmail/bin/qmail-popup ? Notice the dash in the name of the service. Armando
Re: Urgent Help Needed
According to /etc/services on a FreeBSD box... # Updated from RFC 1700, ``Assigned Numbers'' (October 1994). All ports # are included. pop2109/tcppostoffice #Post Office Protocol - Version 2 pop3110/tcp#Post Office Protocol - Version 3 pop3s 995/tcp No dashes Gavin []---+[] | Gavin Cameron | ITworks Consulting | | Ph: +61 3 9642 5477| Level 8, 488 Bourke Street| | Fax : +61 3 9642 5499| Melbourne, Victoria| | Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Australia, 3000 | []---+[] On Wed, 19 Jul 2000, asantos wrote: From: Tony Campisi [EMAIL PROTECTED] /usr/local/bin/tcpserver -v -R 0 pop3 /var/qmail/bin/qmail-popup Shouldn't that be /usr/local/bin/tcpserver -v -R 0 pop-3 /var/qmail/bin/qmail-popup ? Notice the dash in the name of the service. Armando
Re: Urgent Help Needed
From: Gavin Cameron [EMAIL PROTECTED] According to /etc/services on a FreeBSD box... # Updated from RFC 1700, ``Assigned Numbers'' (October 1994). All ports # are included. pop2109/tcppostoffice #Post Office Protocol - Version 2 pop3110/tcp#Post Office Protocol - Version 3 pop3s 995/tcp No dashes Of course, but notice that Tony has dashes in the deleted inetd.conf lines. Also, it is fairly common (as in Debian GNU/Linux) to have the dashes... even if wrongly. Such is life. Anyway, he must make doubly sure that the spelling in /etc/services matches the one in the run script, or better yet write 110 instead of pop3 or pop-3. Armando
Re: Urgent Help Needed
From: Tony Campisi [EMAIL PROTECTED] /usr/local/bin/tcpserver -v -R 0 pop3 /var/qmail/bin/qmail-popup Shouldn't that be /usr/local/bin/tcpserver -v -R 0 pop-3 /var/qmail/bin/qmail-popup ? Notice the dash in the name of the service. In my /etc/services file it says: pop3110/tcp pop-3 110/tcp I've been using 'pop3' during my testing on another machine and it worked good. My server was down for 3 hours, so I panicked and put sendmail back on until I can figure out what happened. Thanks guys for answering. Armando, I'm gonna try to write 110 instead of pop3 or pop-3 next time. ...oh! the shame tony.campisi
Re: Urgent Help Needed
From: Tony Campisi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks guys for answering. Armando, I'm gonna try to write 110 instead of pop3 or pop-3 next time. No prob. May I suggest you keep sendmail up and run the smtp and pop services on other ports for testing purposes? Armando
| preline procmail
Hi guys I installed qmail on a local machine last night and i am trying to process my mails using procmail. I have added | preline procmail in my ~user/.qmail file When the the new mail arrives procmail is spawned and the mail is processed and sento the appropriate folder However everyone who has logged into the machine get a warning.. *** ourserv procmail[21174]: Couldn't rename bogus "/var/spool/mail/anand" into "/var/spool/mail/BOGUS.Y5eB" *** Now why is this happening.. As i can make out this is a typical sendmail response to a ln in /var/spool/mail/user.. How do i disable this .. We are using procmail v3.11pre7. Regards, Devinder
How to delete mails in smtp queue
Hello everyone. Now my qmail pill up too many mails in smtp queue. How to delete these mails, so that can let new mails can be send out? Thanks. Sincerely yours, David 00-7-19 9:17:29
Announcing qmail-autoresponder version 0.91
Version 0.91 of qmail-autoresponder is now available at: http://em.ca/~bruceg/qmail-autoresponder/ See the documentation there for more details, or join the mailing list by sending an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Development versions of qmail-autoresponder are available via anonymous CVS. Set your CVSROOT to ":pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/CVS", login with an empty password, and check out the qmail-autoresponder module. --- Changes in version 0.91 - Added an option to insert the original subject into the reply. - Simplified the header scanning logic. --- qmail-autoresponder Rate-limited autoresponder for qmail Bruce Guenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Version 0.91 2000-07-18 This is a simple program to automatically respond to emails. It is based on some ideas (but little or no code) from a similar autoresponder by Eric Huss [EMAIL PROTECTED], and ideas presented in the qmail mailing list. Features: - Limits rate of automatic responses (defaults to a maximum of one message every hour). - Will not respond to nearly every type of mailing list or bulk email. - Will not respond to bounce messages or MAILER-DAEMON. - Bounces looping messages. - Can copy original message into response. - Uses links in the rate-limiting data directory to preserve inodes. Usage: Put "|qmail-autoresponder MESSAGE_FILE DIRECTORY" into your ".qmail" file before other delivery instructions. MESSAGE_FILE is a pre-formatted response, including headers, and DIRECTORY is the directory into which rate-limiting information will be stored. This program is Copyright(C) 2000 Bruce Guenter, and may be copied according to the GNU GENERAL PUBLIC LICENSE (GPL) Version 2 or a later version. A copy of this license is included with this package. This package comes with no warranty of any kind. PGP signature
Re: many mails to same user
Henrik Gemal writes: What is the easiest way to acomplish this forwarding in qmail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] @gemal.dk - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Do I really have to have 5 .qmail files??? Yup. Don't worry about it, it's only 5 files. When it grows to a thousand, then you might want to consider using a .qmail-default and fastforward. -- -russ nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://russnelson.com Crynwr sells support for free software | PGPok | 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315 268 1925 voice | Is Unix compatible with Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | +1 315 268 9201 FAX | Linux?