[RBW] Re: More Problems with Gravel
On 6/29/09, GeorgeS chobur...@gmail.com wrote: Well. The consensus seems to be that it's my fault. This is not exactly what I was looking for. Doesn't anyone want to suggest special gravel wheels or, even better, a new frame of the country variety? I mean I fell twice. Should be some equipment here that I could explain to my wife is critical to my safety. Thanks though for the input. GeorgeS Hell, I'd be annoyed too if I had a perfectly good medical reason to buy a new bike, or at least new tires, and everyone told me, Don't bother, it's your technique! I say, run with it. I don't ride on gravel a great deal, but I do ride in sand, and insofar as sand is like gravel (it's just a lot smaller -- juust kidding) in that it's slippery, I am a gravel expert. And so, what I recommend is a 60 mm WTB knobby -- I know and love the Exiwolfs and the Weirwolfs -- one a Snowcat rim; this will give you a tire at least 2 1/2 inches wide that you can safely ride at 15/18, at least if you are not a lot more than 170 lb. Technique does play a role, though, if you wish to use a road tire in this size, like the Big Apples. And forget little 650b wheels; those are for the little people. Use 700c wheels. They float over small bumps and give much better traction and float. Only half my tongue is in my cheek. (The other half is in my pocket.) I really love my Monocog 29er set up as a on/off road allrounder with said BAs and Snowcats, drops, fenders, and a modest 63 gear. Not Rivendellian, but unfortunately the only Riv that comes close, the Bomdadil, only takes skinny tires. (It does have vertical dropouts, but you could use an eccentric bb.) -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM Professional Resumes. Contact resumespecialt...@gmail.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: More Problems with Gravel
On 6/30/09, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: On 6/29/09, GeorgeS chobur...@gmail.com wrote: Well. The consensus seems to be that it's my fault. This is not exactly what I was looking for. Doesn't anyone want to suggest special gravel wheels or, even better, a new frame of the country variety? I mean I fell twice. Should be some equipment here that I could explain to my wife is critical to my safety. Thanks though for the input. GeorgeS Hell, I'd be annoyed too if I had a perfectly good medical reason to buy a new bike, or at least new tires, and everyone told me, Don't bother, it's your technique! I say, run with it. I don't ride on gravel a great deal, but I do ride in sand, and insofar as sand is like gravel (it's just a lot smaller -- juust kidding) in that it's slippery, I am a gravel expert. And so, what I recommend is a 60 mm WTB knobby -- I know and love the Exiwolfs and the Weirwolfs -- one a Snowcat rim; this will give you a tire at least 2 1/2 inches wide that you can safely ride at 15/18, at least if you are not a lot more than 170 lb. Technique does play a role, though, if you wish to use a road tire in this size, like the Big Apples. And forget little 650b wheels; those are for the little people. Use 700c wheels. They float over small bumps and give much better traction and float. Only half my tongue is in my cheek. (The other half is in my pocket.) I really love my Monocog 29er set up as a on/off road allrounder with said BAs and Snowcats, drops, fenders, and a modest 63 gear. Not Rivendellian, but unfortunately the only Riv that comes close, the Bomdadil, only takes skinny tires. (It does have vertical dropouts, but you could use an eccentric bb.) -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM Professional Resumes. Contact resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM Professional Resumes. Contact resumespecialt...@gmail.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: seat bag support
If you guy's have a evening or two to spare check out Jobst Brandt's great photos from 40 years of touring the alps. http://www.trentobike.org/Countries/Europe/Tour_Reports/Tour_of_the_Alps/Gallery/ It's a bit hard to tell but it seem his friend Bill Robertson has a nifty diy bag stand off that connects to the seat clamp: http://www.paloaltobicycles.com/alps_photos/i41.html http://www.paloaltobicycles.com/alps_photos/f27.html Anyone could fill me in on the details of his gizmo cuz I've been wondering for years? On 29 Juni, 00:19, Roger and Carolyn SKALLERUD rcska...@msn.com wrote: I need a seatbag support to level my Carradice Nelson and Baggins Little Joe on a Bleriot and Riv. When they are attached to the seat and seatpost stuff keeps falling out of the pockets on the Carradice, I need to level it up, what works best? Roger Skallerud South Dakota --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Quickbeam and Fenders
I did the quick release clips thing like Jay. http://www.flickr.com/photos/16951...@n08/3476231554/sizes/o/ I have removed the rear wheel (most recently to add a fixed cog) by unclipping the fender stays from the quick release clips. When the chain is in the small chainring, the axle is at the very end of the slots anyway, it's only another 1/2 inch till it is free. Angus On Jun 29, 10:57 pm, R Gonet richard.go...@earthlink.net wrote: Jay: I like that idea. Have you actually tried it? I'm wondering if you can pull the fender up and back enough to release the wheel, given that the fender is attached to the seat stay bridge. On Jun 29, 9:13 pm, J. Burkhalter burk...@yahoo.com wrote: Round up another pair of the black plastic quick release clips that came with the SKS fender set (the ones intended for use on the front fender stays). They'll allow you to pop the rear stays out and remove the wheel. RBW probably has them, but you could try your LBS first. hope this helps, -Jay Asheville, NC On Jun 29, 6:22 pm, R Gonet richard.go...@earthlink.net wrote: I've installed SKS fenders on my Quickbeam and now I have to detach the rear fender stays to remove the rear wheel, either to reverse the wheel or to fix a flat. Is there any way around having to do this and, if not, does anyone have any tricks to make the procedure less time consuming?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: More Problems with Gravel
George, Jan Heine and Jim Edgar make some very good points. I spent five years doing cyclocross (on a Rivendell) and riding narrow tires on loose surfaces took practice. Lots of feeling the bike sliding around under you. http://www.flickr.com/photos/16951...@n08/1992613270/ I think it's 90+% rider, if you want an equipment upgrade, wider tires are usually a bit easier in loose surfaces than skinny ones...IMHO. Angus On Jun 29, 4:56 am, GeorgeS chobur...@gmail.com wrote: Last week I posted a question about tires for gravel. Thanks for the response. I've gone with the consensus and ordered a pair of Pasela's w/o TG. Since then, I've had two kind of scary falls, both in exactly the same situation - fast descent on dirt/gravel road with sweeping right turn at the bottom. In both cases there was loose stuff in the turn and my rear wheel just slid out and I was down. Got some road burn but no real damage other than to my dignity. Is it possible this is the result of having the wrong tires, or (what seems more likely) I just don't know how to handle this situation. I don't like the idea of just riding the brake every time I start going down - takes some of the fun out of it. GeorgeS --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: More Problems with Gravel
Quoting JimD rasterd...@comcast.net: Steve, What fenders are those on your Saluki with the Hetres? thanks, JimD 58mm Honjo fluted. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: More Problems with Gravel
Only half my tongue is in my cheek. (The other half is in my pocket.) I really love my Monocog 29er set up as a on/off road allrounder with said BAs and Snowcats, drops, fenders, and a modest 63 gear. Not Rivendellian, but unfortunately the only Riv that comes close, the Bomdadil, only takes skinny tires. (It does have vertical dropouts, but you could use an eccentric bb.) How tall are you? At just under 6' 0 I have always ridden 700s. When I started reading about BAs, I had to try them. I set up one of my touring bikes with them. Everything I read about BAs - comfort, handling, smooth ride, surprisingly low rolling resistance - was right on the mark. On the other hand, whenever I ride the bike I feel like I am on one of those old gas lamp lighters. So I am now definitely in Steve's camp. The ideal 650b design mandate are bikes built to accomodate big honking 50mm and 60mm tires for people probably up to 6'2 or so. I hope Schwalbe starts thinking about making a 650b Big Apple. On Jun 30, 3:29 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: On 6/29/09, GeorgeS chobur...@gmail.com wrote: Well. The consensus seems to be that it's my fault. This is not exactly what I was looking for. Doesn't anyone want to suggest special gravel wheels or, even better, a new frame of the country variety? I mean I fell twice. Should be some equipment here that I could explain to my wife is critical to my safety. Thanks though for the input. GeorgeS Hell, I'd be annoyed too if I had a perfectly good medical reason to buy a new bike, or at least new tires, and everyone told me, Don't bother, it's your technique! I say, run with it. I don't ride on gravel a great deal, but I do ride in sand, and insofar as sand is like gravel (it's just a lot smaller -- juust kidding) in that it's slippery, I am a gravel expert. And so, what I recommend is a 60 mm WTB knobby -- I know and love the Exiwolfs and the Weirwolfs -- one a Snowcat rim; this will give you a tire at least 2 1/2 inches wide that you can safely ride at 15/18, at least if you are not a lot more than 170 lb. Technique does play a role, though, if you wish to use a road tire in this size, like the Big Apples. And forget little 650b wheels; those are for the little people. Use 700c wheels. They float over small bumps and give much better traction and float. Only half my tongue is in my cheek. (The other half is in my pocket.) I really love my Monocog 29er set up as a on/off road allrounder with said BAs and Snowcats, drops, fenders, and a modest 63 gear. Not Rivendellian, but unfortunately the only Riv that comes close, the Bomdadil, only takes skinny tires. (It does have vertical dropouts, but you could use an eccentric bb.) -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM Professional Resumes. Contact resumespecialt...@gmail.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Bicycle Times magazine #2
I have the first issue. I'll give it a big fat it's ok. Better than Bicycling. Commuter based content for the most part. Kind of a more mainstream Urban Velo minus the fixie fixation. Must not have made a huge impression on me as, until your post, I'd forgotten it existed. Guess I'll check out the current issue. I doubt I'll subscribe. Probably just pick it up if an article looks interesting. Still wishing for a Dirt Rag version of the country bike style of riding. Maybe too small a niche, but it would be cool if someone would integrate more of that type of content into an existing mag. Clif http://hardmenwithsoftbellies.wordpress.com/ On Jun 30, 5:52 am, carnerda...@bellsouth.net carnerda...@bellsouth.net wrote: If I missed discussion of this, I apologize. Did not find it in the archives. I was recently handed a copy of above magazine. On the cover is a Rivendell Atlantis, but I can find no mention of it inside. RBW has an advertisement. I assume it is a spin-off of Dirt Rag and at this point is a trial run. Any subscribers on the list? Is it worth the $10 subscription? Any opinions about whether it will survive,or should? David --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Bicycle Times magazine #2
I'd check with them. Issue #2 came out about a month ago. Could be your subscription was not processed in time for it. I'm a subscriber. Like it enough. Whether it will make it long term remains to be seen. I'm withholding judgement. Definitely not the same vein as Bicycle Quarterly or the Reader. Hopefully they'll feature Rivendell in the future. The company has been covered a few times in Dirt Rag. Still, the new magazine would be great for a review of the Sam Hillborne. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Jun 30, 8:54 am, Mojo gjtra...@yahoo.com wrote: I paid the small subscriber fee of $10 about 6 weeks ago. Still no BTimes to my door. Have other folks actually gotten a mag when they subscribed? On Jun 30, 4:52 am, carnerda...@bellsouth.net carnerda...@bellsouth.net wrote: If I missed discussion of this, I apologize. Did not find it in the archives. I was recently handed a copy of above magazine. On the cover is a Rivendell Atlantis, but I can find no mention of it inside. RBW has an advertisement. I assume it is a spin-off of Dirt Rag and at this point is a trial run. Any subscribers on the list? Is it worth the $10 subscription? Any opinions about whether it will survive,or should? David- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: More Problems with Gravel
I'm a startling 5'10 in bare feet on a level, hard surface. I've not ridden 584, and my comments about it were largely facetious. I went from 60 mm Big Apples in the 559 size (26 3/4 inches diam) to ditto on 722s (29 1/4) and the float over sand, the cush over, say, washboard, and the traction when cornering ,at least on pavement, were very noticeably better. (I say on pavement because, with such tires on dirt, you can't corner hard, I prefer them nonetheless for their easy rolling on pavement, this being an all rounder type of bike.) I extrapolate that 722 would also be better in this regard than 584, tho' presumeable not by as much. On 6/30/09, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Only half my tongue is in my cheek. (The other half is in my pocket.) I really love my Monocog 29er set up as a on/off road allrounder with said BAs and Snowcats, drops, fenders, and a modest 63 gear. Not Rivendellian, but unfortunately the only Riv that comes close, the Bomdadil, only takes skinny tires. (It does have vertical dropouts, but you could use an eccentric bb.) How tall are you? At just under 6' 0 I have always ridden 700s. When I started reading about BAs, I had to try them. I set up one of my touring bikes with them. Everything I read about BAs - comfort, handling, smooth ride, surprisingly low rolling resistance - was right on the mark. On the other hand, whenever I ride the bike I feel like I am on one of those old gas lamp lighters. So I am now definitely in Steve's camp. The ideal 650b design mandate are bikes built to accomodate big honking 50mm and 60mm tires for people probably up to 6'2 or so. I hope Schwalbe starts thinking about making a 650b Big Apple. On Jun 30, 3:29 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: On 6/29/09, GeorgeS chobur...@gmail.com wrote: Well. The consensus seems to be that it's my fault. This is not exactly what I was looking for. Doesn't anyone want to suggest special gravel wheels or, even better, a new frame of the country variety? I mean I fell twice. Should be some equipment here that I could explain to my wife is critical to my safety. Thanks though for the input. GeorgeS Hell, I'd be annoyed too if I had a perfectly good medical reason to buy a new bike, or at least new tires, and everyone told me, Don't bother, it's your technique! I say, run with it. I don't ride on gravel a great deal, but I do ride in sand, and insofar as sand is like gravel (it's just a lot smaller -- juust kidding) in that it's slippery, I am a gravel expert. And so, what I recommend is a 60 mm WTB knobby -- I know and love the Exiwolfs and the Weirwolfs -- one a Snowcat rim; this will give you a tire at least 2 1/2 inches wide that you can safely ride at 15/18, at least if you are not a lot more than 170 lb. Technique does play a role, though, if you wish to use a road tire in this size, like the Big Apples. And forget little 650b wheels; those are for the little people. Use 700c wheels. They float over small bumps and give much better traction and float. Only half my tongue is in my cheek. (The other half is in my pocket.) I really love my Monocog 29er set up as a on/off road allrounder with said BAs and Snowcats, drops, fenders, and a modest 63 gear. Not Rivendellian, but unfortunately the only Riv that comes close, the Bomdadil, only takes skinny tires. (It does have vertical dropouts, but you could use an eccentric bb.) -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM Professional Resumes. Contact resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM Professional Resumes. Contact resumespecialt...@gmail.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Tubus rack and SKS fenders
Been thinking of putting a Tubus Cargo rack on my Hillborne for some S24O or maybe even a mini-tour. When trying things out last night, appears the rack stays hit the fender stays. Checking the Rivendell website, it appears Grant bent the fender stays on his Atlantis to avoid this issue. Is that probably the best method? Nothing else I tried seems to work. Checked putting the rack on the lower dropout braze-ons and the fenders on the higher. Nope. My other option - just keep the Nitto R-14 top rack on and getting the Sackville Large saddlebag. My Carradice Nelson just seems a bit small for this. But I did something similar with the Atlantis last year. Anyone have some good advice? Eric Platt St. Paul, MN --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Tubus rack and SKS fenders
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 10:19 AM, EricPericpl...@aol.com wrote: Been thinking of putting a Tubus Cargo rack on my Hillborne for some S24O or maybe even a mini-tour. When trying things out last night, appears the rack stays hit the fender stays. Checking the Rivendell website, it appears Grant bent the fender stays on his Atlantis to avoid this issue. Is that probably the best method? Nothing else I tried seems to work. Checked putting the rack on the lower dropout braze-ons and the fenders on the higher. Nope. My other option - just keep the Nitto R-14 top rack on and getting the Sackville Large saddlebag. My Carradice Nelson just seems a bit small for this. But I did something similar with the Atlantis last year. Anyone have some good advice? presta valve nuts. Space the rack out 1 or 2 presta nuts width. that'll let the fender stays through. worked for me. -sv --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Tubus rack and SKS fenders
use some spacers to space the rack out and clear the fender stays. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] A new blog.
Just what this world needs. A new bike blog. http://hardmenwithsoftbellies.wordpress.com/ Most posts composed aboard my Quickbeam while slowly going mad from the sound of granite crushing underneath a pair of paselas. I hope you enjoy, Clif Wright --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: More Problems with Gravel
Do you have the BAs on a road bike frame or a mountain bike frame? I could probably do alright on a 29er, as MTB geometry puts the rider somewhat lower in any event. When I first put the BAs on the road frame, I tried lowering the seat. On my first ride it occurred to me the higher tires do not change the distance between the seat and pedals. I guess I could have replaced the 170 crank with 172.5 or 175. That sort of alchemy more frequently leads to sore knees than not, though. On Jun 30, 9:13 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I'm a startling 5'10 in bare feet on a level, hard surface. I've not ridden 584, and my comments about it were largely facetious. I went from 60 mm Big Apples in the 559 size (26 3/4 inches diam) to ditto on 722s (29 1/4) and the float over sand, the cush over, say, washboard, and the traction when cornering ,at least on pavement, were very noticeably better. (I say on pavement because, with such tires on dirt, you can't corner hard, I prefer them nonetheless for their easy rolling on pavement, this being an all rounder type of bike.) I extrapolate that 722 would also be better in this regard than 584, tho' presumeable not by as much. On 6/30/09, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Only half my tongue is in my cheek. (The other half is in my pocket.) I really love my Monocog 29er set up as a on/off road allrounder with said BAs and Snowcats, drops, fenders, and a modest 63 gear. Not Rivendellian, but unfortunately the only Riv that comes close, the Bomdadil, only takes skinny tires. (It does have vertical dropouts, but you could use an eccentric bb.) How tall are you? At just under 6' 0 I have always ridden 700s. When I started reading about BAs, I had to try them. I set up one of my touring bikes with them. Everything I read about BAs - comfort, handling, smooth ride, surprisingly low rolling resistance - was right on the mark. On the other hand, whenever I ride the bike I feel like I am on one of those old gas lamp lighters. So I am now definitely in Steve's camp. The ideal 650b design mandate are bikes built to accomodate big honking 50mm and 60mm tires for people probably up to 6'2 or so. I hope Schwalbe starts thinking about making a 650b Big Apple. On Jun 30, 3:29 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: On 6/29/09, GeorgeS chobur...@gmail.com wrote: Well. The consensus seems to be that it's my fault. This is not exactly what I was looking for. Doesn't anyone want to suggest special gravel wheels or, even better, a new frame of the country variety? I mean I fell twice. Should be some equipment here that I could explain to my wife is critical to my safety. Thanks though for the input. GeorgeS Hell, I'd be annoyed too if I had a perfectly good medical reason to buy a new bike, or at least new tires, and everyone told me, Don't bother, it's your technique! I say, run with it. I don't ride on gravel a great deal, but I do ride in sand, and insofar as sand is like gravel (it's just a lot smaller -- juust kidding) in that it's slippery, I am a gravel expert. And so, what I recommend is a 60 mm WTB knobby -- I know and love the Exiwolfs and the Weirwolfs -- one a Snowcat rim; this will give you a tire at least 2 1/2 inches wide that you can safely ride at 15/18, at least if you are not a lot more than 170 lb. Technique does play a role, though, if you wish to use a road tire in this size, like the Big Apples. And forget little 650b wheels; those are for the little people. Use 700c wheels. They float over small bumps and give much better traction and float. Only half my tongue is in my cheek. (The other half is in my pocket.) I really love my Monocog 29er set up as a on/off road allrounder with said BAs and Snowcats, drops, fenders, and a modest 63 gear. Not Rivendellian, but unfortunately the only Riv that comes close, the Bomdadil, only takes skinny tires. (It does have vertical dropouts, but you could use an eccentric bb.) -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM Professional Resumes. Contact resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM Professional Resumes. Contact resumespecialt...@gmail.com- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Tubus rack and SKS fenders
I am trying to remember which Tubus I had on a camper I sold recently. I was able to attach the SKS to the eyelet on the rack itself. You must have a different model, as I seem to recall it was pretty obvious. On Jun 30, 9:19 am, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: Been thinking of putting a Tubus Cargo rack on my Hillborne for some S24O or maybe even a mini-tour. When trying things out last night, appears the rack stays hit the fender stays. Checking the Rivendell website, it appears Grant bent the fender stays on his Atlantis to avoid this issue. Is that probably the best method? Nothing else I tried seems to work. Checked putting the rack on the lower dropout braze-ons and the fenders on the higher. Nope. My other option - just keep the Nitto R-14 top rack on and getting the Sackville Large saddlebag. My Carradice Nelson just seems a bit small for this. But I did something similar with the Atlantis last year. Anyone have some good advice? Eric Platt St. Paul, MN --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Mixing Components
Just picked up an unusual bike on Craig's list (Serotta Hors Categorie). Even though its not a Rivendell, it does have an extended head tube and the curved seat stays really work in smoothing out road noise. It came with Campagnolo Veloce 10 speed groupo (12-28) and a compact crank (34-50). Not as nice as my Rambrouillet Bleriot that have Sugino triples (26-36-48) and sram 11-34 cassettes (which are nine speeds). Ok, the main objective I have is to get lower gearing on the new bike. I was thinking of putting a sram mountain cassette on the back (11-34) and changing out the campy real derailleur for a long cage xt. This would give me a low gear ratio of about 27 (700c tires). Will this work? I know most bike technicians say keep with one manufacturer...I hope this will work, because then I will have an expanded range (by increasing the largest COG from 48 to 50) while eliminating the granny gear. If this won't work, then I can always exchange the crank, bottom bracket, groupo, brakes etc. to match my other bikes. I'm hoping to avoid that. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Rivendell on Seattle to Portland
Is anyone on the list planning to ride STP this year? I'm going down in two days this year on my Saluki, and may end up riding with another Bleriot rider. We'll be overnighting in Centralia at the halfway point, so if anyone has correlative plans and would like to meet up, it would be good to say hey face to face. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Mixing Components
My camper has a Campy front der and crank, Maxi-Car hubs and Shimano freewheel. Everything works fine. Of course, I use friction shifters, not index. Index shifters may get confused when you mix and match. Isn't it amazing how technological advances force customer loyalty? You would almost think that was the reason for the 'advance' and not improved experience for the rider. Nah, manufacturers would never dream of such a thing. On Jun 30, 10:01 am, zrainryder zdree...@gmail.com wrote: Just picked up an unusual bike on Craig's list (Serotta Hors Categorie). Even though its not a Rivendell, it does have an extended head tube and the curved seat stays really work in smoothing out road noise. It came with Campagnolo Veloce 10 speed groupo (12-28) and a compact crank (34-50). Not as nice as my Rambrouillet Bleriot that have Sugino triples (26-36-48) and sram 11-34 cassettes (which are nine speeds). Ok, the main objective I have is to get lower gearing on the new bike. I was thinking of putting a sram mountain cassette on the back (11-34) and changing out the campy real derailleur for a long cage xt. This would give me a low gear ratio of about 27 (700c tires). Will this work? I know most bike technicians say keep with one manufacturer...I hope this will work, because then I will have an expanded range (by increasing the largest COG from 48 to 50) while eliminating the granny gear. If this won't work, then I can always exchange the crank, bottom bracket, groupo, brakes etc. to match my other bikes. I'm hoping to avoid that. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Quickbeam and Fenders
well, I'm going to go against convention here and recommend taking the fenders off. I managed to figure out how to drop the rear wheel to fix a flat, but I'm sticking with a fenderless QB. it was a liberating experience, and I'm thinking of removing the fenders from my atlantis now. best ts On Jun 30, 4:23 am, J. Burkhalter burk...@yahoo.com wrote: On Jun 29, 11:57 pm, R Gonet richard.go...@earthlink.net wrote: Jay: I like that idea. Have you actually tried it? I'm wondering if you can pull the fender up and back enough to release the wheel, given that the fender is attached to the seat stay bridge. Yep. Works just fine. It's hard to beat those SKS fenders in the user friendliness category. -Jay --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Mixing Components
On Jun 30, 8:01 am, zrainryder zdree...@gmail.com wrote: Just picked up an unusual bike on Craig's list (Serotta Hors Categorie). Even though its not a Rivendell, it does have an extended head tube and the curved seat stays really work in smoothing out road noise. It came with Campagnolo Veloce 10 speed groupo (12-28) and a compact crank (34-50). Not as nice as my Rambrouillet Bleriot that have Sugino triples (26-36-48) and sram 11-34 cassettes (which are nine speeds). Ok, the main objective I have is to get lower gearing on the new bike. I was thinking of putting a sram mountain cassette on the back (11-34) and changing out the campy real derailleur for a long cage xt. This would give me a low gear ratio of about 27 (700c tires). Will this work? I know most bike technicians say keep with one manufacturer...I hope this will work, because then I will have an expanded range (by increasing the largest COG from 48 to 50) while eliminating the granny gear. If this won't work, then I can always exchange the crank, bottom bracket, groupo, brakes etc. to match my other bikes. I'm hoping to avoid that. Mixing Campy and Shimano is possible. However, you appear to also want to mix 9 and 10 speed gearing. Since you're using Campy ergo, then frt der is a non-issue, unlike Shimano where you need to be specific as to what is used. Usually, its recommended to match your rear shifter with your rear der. So, using Campy Veloce 10 spd rear with Campy rear der over 10 cogs is a given. However, since you're looking to use a XT long cage rear der, it appears you now want to go from 10 spd to 9 spd. It may work. You'll want to look at the Hubbub article on mixing Campy 10 ergo with Shimano 9 by clamping the cable in the opposite position: http://www.hubbub.com/articles_ergopower.html You shouldmay look at this chart too: http://www.ctc.org.uk/DesktopDefault.aspx?TabID=3946 I use an older 2000 Campy 9 ergo (pre-2001 geometry) and a 2006 Campy 9 rear der with Shimano 9 cassette/hubs and Sram 9 chain with NO PROBLEM. Mixing and match 9 works fine for me. I have a friend who uses a DA 8 rear der with Campy 9 ergo and has no problem shifting 9 spd. Finally, If none of the above work, check Jtek shiftmate to see if they offer something that might help. Good Luck! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Mixing Components
On Jun 30, 8:29 am, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Isn't it amazing how technological advances force customer loyalty? You would almost think that was the reason for the 'advance' and not improved experience for the rider. Nah, manufacturers would never dream of such a thing. I don't know, is it reasonable to expect mfrs to design their index shifting to match other companies equipment? There's no reason for someone like Shimano to design their components to match Campy or visa versa. Of course, this could lead to goofy things like proprietary chainrings i.e., Campy's carbon compact cranks, especially those with one hidden chainring bolt, seem to come with 4 bolts at 110mm and the fifth bolt at 112mm! Of course, there are work-arounds. Sometimes, clunky, but do-able. For example, for Campy rings that come with the goofy 110/112bcd, Andy Muzi at Yellow Jersey has posted in another forum that all you need to do is grind down some of the chainring hole to make it fit a 110bcd. Further, you can make Campy and Shimano indexing work by mounting the der cable in the opposite direction. Finally, I do agree that mfrs want customers loyalty. There going to design their components to work seamlessly. The fact that its incompatible with another mfr's system is probably not a consideration. Good Luck! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Mixing Components
I find it hard to believe that your current 50/34x12-28 setup doesn't give you low enough gearing. I have a 50/36 with 12-27 and it gets me just about anywhere. Perhaps you should try your new ride out for a couple of months before tinkering. You might find that it gets you where you want to go just fine, and you'll save money and time. But be this as it may, if you are dead set on tinkering, Shiftmate is probably the quickest and easiest solution, assuming you already have the XT rear derailleur. Otherwise you can just get a Campy mid or long cage derailleur instead of the XT and nix the Shiftmate altogether. But there is one caveat: you didn't mention what hubs you have. If you have Campy hubs, it may be a moot point. A SRAM cassette won't fit on a Campy hub. And as far as I know neither Campy nor Miche makes a Campagnolo-splined 11-32 mtn cassette. I believe the lowest Campagnolo-splined cassette is a 13-29. However, you might check American Classic. They might still make a Campy-splined mtn cassette in the 11-32 or 34 range. On Jun 30, 9:45 am, Brewster Fong bfd...@yahoo.com wrote: On Jun 30, 8:01 am, zrainryder zdree...@gmail.com wrote: Just picked up an unusual bike on Craig's list (Serotta Hors Categorie). Even though its not a Rivendell, it does have an extended head tube and the curved seat stays really work in smoothing out road noise. It came with Campagnolo Veloce 10 speed groupo (12-28) and a compact crank (34-50). Not as nice as my Rambrouillet Bleriot that have Sugino triples (26-36-48) and sram 11-34 cassettes (which are nine speeds). Ok, the main objective I have is to get lower gearing on the new bike. I was thinking of putting a sram mountain cassette on the back (11-34) and changing out the campy real derailleur for a long cage xt. This would give me a low gear ratio of about 27 (700c tires). Will this work? I know most bike technicians say keep with one manufacturer...I hope this will work, because then I will have an expanded range (by increasing the largest COG from 48 to 50) while eliminating the granny gear. If this won't work, then I can always exchange the crank, bottom bracket, groupo, brakes etc. to match my other bikes. I'm hoping to avoid that. Mixing Campy and Shimano is possible. However, you appear to also want to mix 9 and 10 speed gearing. Since you're using Campy ergo, then frt der is a non-issue, unlike Shimano where you need to be specific as to what is used. Usually, its recommended to match your rear shifter with your rear der. So, using Campy Veloce 10 spd rear with Campy rear der over 10 cogs is a given. However, since you're looking to use a XT long cage rear der, it appears you now want to go from 10 spd to 9 spd. It may work. You'll want to look at the Hubbub article on mixing Campy 10 ergo with Shimano 9 by clamping the cable in the opposite position: http://www.hubbub.com/articles_ergopower.html You shouldmay look at this chart too: http://www.ctc.org.uk/DesktopDefault.aspx?TabID=3946 I use an older 2000 Campy 9 ergo (pre-2001 geometry) and a 2006 Campy 9 rear der with Shimano 9 cassette/hubs and Sram 9 chain with NO PROBLEM. Mixing and match 9 works fine for me. I have a friend who uses a DA 8 rear der with Campy 9 ergo and has no problem shifting 9 spd. Finally, If none of the above work, check Jtek shiftmate to see if they offer something that might help. Good Luck! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Mixing Components
Finally, I do agree that mfrs want customers loyalty. There going to design their components to work seamlessly. The fact that its incompatible with another mfr's system is probably not a consideration. Good Luck! In the good old days of friction shifting, manufacturers won customer loyalty by trying to make ders, shifters and freewheels that looked and worked better than the competition. The consumer enjoyed the ability to mix and match according to personal need, budget and aesthetics. Now the big two make proprietary systems which limit the consumers' ability to make the bike as they want. I guess in one sense you could call this progress. I really wonder for whom. On Jun 30, 12:22 pm, Brewster Fong bfd...@yahoo.com wrote: On Jun 30, 8:29 am, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Isn't it amazing how technological advances force customer loyalty? You would almost think that was the reason for the 'advance' and not improved experience for the rider. Nah, manufacturers would never dream of such a thing. I don't know, is it reasonable to expect mfrs to design their index shifting to match other companies equipment? There's no reason for someone like Shimano to design their components to match Campy or visa versa. Of course, this could lead to goofy things like proprietary chainrings i.e., Campy's carbon compact cranks, especially those with one hidden chainring bolt, seem to come with 4 bolts at 110mm and the fifth bolt at 112mm! Of course, there are work-arounds. Sometimes, clunky, but do-able. For example, for Campy rings that come with the goofy 110/112bcd, Andy Muzi at Yellow Jersey has posted in another forum that all you need to do is grind down some of the chainring hole to make it fit a 110bcd. Further, you can make Campy and Shimano indexing work by mounting the der cable in the opposite direction. Finally, I do agree that mfrs want customers loyalty. There going to design their components to work seamlessly. The fact that its incompatible with another mfr's system is probably not a consideration. Good Luck! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Mixing Components
zrainryder - I'd suggest changing out the cranks. Campy front shifter/derailers don't care what crank you are using. Once you start changing out stuff in the back it opens a can of worms which (for me) is solved eventually with spending too much money. On another note you may want to ride it as is for a while. Although I'm not familiar with that particular model, Serotta's are generally responsive machines and depending on the terrain and your condition you could eck by with that 34T/28t combo. I had swapped out the cranks on my Campy equipped Merlin, geared 12-23 in the rear, with a compact compact of 46/30 using a Sugino triple. Recently I returned to the 50/34 Campy, since I'm pretty sure I will be selling it, and found most of my routes to be doable. That bike won't be seeing any racks or bags of any size and it could use a couple more teeth in the rear, but as is it's fine. Bigger gears rely on technique as much as strength. Let us know how it works out. Phil B --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Mixing Components
-Original Message- From: Aaron Thomas aaron.a.tho...@gmail.com I find it hard to believe that your current 50/34x12-28 setup doesn't give you low enough gearing. I believe it. I can only speak for myself, but anything that doesn't go as low as 34 x 34 is unacceptable. I live among many hills, often steep and my knee hurts if I'm not careful. Furthermore, I won't set up a bike that doesn't offer a bailout 24-tooth chainring. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Mixing Components
On Jun 30, 11:00 am, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Finally, I do agree that mfrs want customers loyalty. There going to design their components to work seamlessly. The fact that its incompatible with another mfr's system is probably not a consideration. Good Luck! In the good old days of friction shifting, manufacturers won customer loyalty by trying to make ders, shifters and freewheels that looked and worked better than the competition. The consumer enjoyed the ability to mix and match according to personal need, budget and aesthetics. Welcome to the 21st Century! Hey, I ran friction shifting for years. In fact, I was the last guy to convert over to ergo in my group. I was running a 9 spd set up with Simplex friction shifters! Today, you rarely see anyone with dt or even bar-ends and I bet many of those are indexed. Probably 90% of bikes sold today in the US have some sort of STI shifter. Shimano dominates and that's it! Now the big two make proprietary systems which limit the consumers' ability to make the bike as they want. I guess in one sense you could call this progress. I really wonder for whom. Doesn't matter. As long as Shimano dominates, we going to get what they want you to get. Even with Sram coming out with its group, which btw is Shimano-compatible, you're still have basically proprietary systems. That's the way things work. Friction is not coming back. Hey, that ship has left, its like trying get people to use 650b wheels:)..Good Luck with that! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Mixing Components
Doesn't matter. As long as Shimano dominates, we going to get what they want you to get. Even with Sram coming out with its group, which btw is Shimano-compatible, you're still have basically proprietary systems. That's the way things work. Friction is not coming back. Hey, that ship has left, its like trying get people to use 650b wheels:)..Good Luck with that! Well, fortunately for me, I have stockpiled so much friction gear (a lot of it NOS. STI really must have caught the old line makers off guard because there is so much stuff that never sold out there) to last me the rest of my riding life. I think the overly complex - and pricey - new systems is partly behind so many people going to single speed and fixed even in locations where some gears at least may help. It will be interesting to see whether SRAM making Shimano compatible keeps prices in line. On Jun 30, 1:37 pm, Brewster Fong bfd...@yahoo.com wrote: On Jun 30, 11:00 am, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Finally, I do agree that mfrs want customers loyalty. There going to design their components to work seamlessly. The fact that its incompatible with another mfr's system is probably not a consideration. Good Luck! In the good old days of friction shifting, manufacturers won customer loyalty by trying to make ders, shifters and freewheels that looked and worked better than the competition. The consumer enjoyed the ability to mix and match according to personal need, budget and aesthetics. Welcome to the 21st Century! Hey, I ran friction shifting for years. In fact, I was the last guy to convert over to ergo in my group. I was running a 9 spd set up with Simplex friction shifters! Today, you rarely see anyone with dt or even bar-ends and I bet many of those are indexed. Probably 90% of bikes sold today in the US have some sort of STI shifter. Shimano dominates and that's it! Now the big two make proprietary systems which limit the consumers' ability to make the bike as they want. I guess in one sense you could call this progress. I really wonder for whom. Doesn't matter. As long as Shimano dominates, we going to get what they want you to get. Even with Sram coming out with its group, which btw is Shimano-compatible, you're still have basically proprietary systems. That's the way things work. Friction is not coming back. Hey, that ship has left, its like trying get people to use 650b wheels:)..Good Luck with that! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Surly Cross Check sizing question
For those of you who ride a Rivendell, and also ride a Surly Cross Check or Travelers Check, what are the sizing differences? It looks like top tube is going to be the best bet on sizing a Surly, but if you know of any amazing secrets, please let me in! I'm currently trying to decide whether or not to couple one of my Rivs for all the travel I do, or to just build up a Surly Travelers Check. Thanks, Gino --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Surly Cross Check sizing question
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 3:11 PM, Gino Zahndginoza...@gmail.com wrote: For those of you who ride a Rivendell, and also ride a Surly Cross Check or Travelers Check, what are the sizing differences? It looks like top tube is going to be the best bet on sizing a Surly, but if you know of any amazing secrets, please let me in! I'm currently trying to decide whether or not to couple one of my Rivs for all the travel I do, or to just build up a Surly Travelers Check. I don't know of how they fit exactly - but I did run across this the other day - if you're tall it is a heckof a deal http://www.jensonusa.com/store/product/ZZ282A16-Surly+Cross+Check+Frameset+08-09.aspx -sv --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Surly Cross Check sizing question
Hi Gino, I own and ride a 55cm Romulus, and a 55cm Bleriot and they fit and ride beautifully for my five foot six inch body with an 80cm PBH. I also own and ride a 52cm Surly cross check, and it too fits and rides very well. The various strengths and weaknesses of the products from both companies have been well discussed in this group over the years, so I'll not fan those flames. The data point I'm offering you supports your premise that Surly's are best sized by top tube length. ( and Rivendell's remain best sized by PBH ) Hope this helps, Jon Cameron. On Jun 30, 2:11 pm, Gino Zahnd ginoza...@gmail.com wrote: For those of you who ride a Rivendell, and also ride a Surly Cross Check or Travelers Check, what are the sizing differences? It looks like top tube is going to be the best bet on sizing a Surly, but if you know of any amazing secrets, please let me in! I'm currently trying to decide whether or not to couple one of my Rivs for all the travel I do, or to just build up a Surly Travelers Check. Thanks, Gino --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Surly Cross Check sizing question
Thanks Jon. Yeah, I don't want to get into the strengths and weaknesses. I know them. Just want to know the proper size. :-) On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 12:22 PM, Jon Cameron j.cameron4...@sbcglobal.netwrote: Hi Gino, I own and ride a 55cm Romulus, and a 55cm Bleriot and they fit and ride beautifully for my five foot six inch body with an 80cm PBH. I also own and ride a 52cm Surly cross check, and it too fits and rides very well. The various strengths and weaknesses of the products from both companies have been well discussed in this group over the years, so I'll not fan those flames. The data point I'm offering you supports your premise that Surly's are best sized by top tube length. ( and Rivendell's remain best sized by PBH ) Hope this helps, Jon Cameron. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Surly Cross Check sizing question
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Gino Zahndginoza...@gmail.com wrote: For those of you who ride a Rivendell, and also ride a Surly Cross Check or Travelers Check, what are the sizing differences? It looks like top tube is going to be the best bet on sizing a Surly, but if you know of any amazing secrets, please let me in! I'm currently trying to decide whether or not to couple one of my Rivs for all the travel I do, or to just build up a Surly Travelers Check. I have both - i ride a 65cm Redwood and a 62cm CrossCheck, and the fit is very similar. I have a 2cm shorter stem on the CrossCheck, but same bars and saddle. I haven't measured precisely, but the contact points are almost identical between the two, mainly the bars are about 1-2cm lower on the CrossCheck. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: More Problems with Gravel
The bike, or what is left of it, is a 2008 (I think it's an '08) Redline Monocog 29er, the cheap tigg'd chromo very compact 29er mtb frame that, built up OEM, rolls out the door for a list of $500 plus tax. I've considerably upgraded mine, but the frame, despite it's girder-like stiffness and massive weight, works very well for my purpose. It takes the 2.3 Big Apples which, on the 45 mm Snowcat SL rims, measure an actual 65 mm wide and 29 1/4 inches tall; and there is still huge clearance for Planet Bike 60 mm fenders and daylight between top of tire and bottom of fender. The bb height with these wheels is an immense 12+ inches, but the bike does not feel tippy. Remaining from the stock package, beside the frame, are the hugely long seatpost, and the headset; all else is upgraded, thus: Truvative 170 road crankset with Truvative bb and single 39 t ring. 18 t BMX cog Turbo saddle Salsa Bell Lap bars, 46 cm Profile very short and steep stem Dura Ace aero levers Avid 160 mm road disc brakes (I hope soon to change the front to a 180 or 230) Better-than-Jagwire cables First generation Shimano M540 (?) pedals Old Nelson Velo Orange bag support Honka Hoota I can run the Big Apples at lower than 15 front, tho' much below 15 psi and you have sidewall flex and steering weirdness on pavement. I am still seeking the sweet spot for the rear tire pressure: 18 is a bit hard: but I expect that, for my typical rides, of which 2/3 are on sandy irrigation roads and 1/3 are on pavement, 13/15 might be the best compromise. I hope to get a local brazer to install fender and rack braze ons, move the front disc mount to accomodate a 230 mm rotor, install threaded eyelets for fenders under seatstay and chainstay bridges, and rig up some sort of fork crown extension (the rigid fork is suspension corrected) so that I can get a decent front fender line without having to jury-rig a mounting bracket. On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 8:54 AM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Do you have the BAs on a road bike frame or a mountain bike frame? I could probably do alright on a 29er, as MTB geometry puts the rider somewhat lower in any event. When I first put the BAs on the road frame, I tried lowering the seat. On my first ride it occurred to me the higher tires do not change the distance between the seat and pedals. I guess I could have replaced the 170 crank with 172.5 or 175. That sort of alchemy more frequently leads to sore knees than not, though. On Jun 30, 9:13 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I'm a startling 5'10 in bare feet on a level, hard surface. I've not ridden 584, and my comments about it were largely facetious. I went from 60 mm Big Apples in the 559 size (26 3/4 inches diam) to ditto on 722s (29 1/4) and the float over sand, the cush over, say, washboard, and the traction when cornering ,at least on pavement, were very noticeably better. (I say on pavement because, with such tires on dirt, you can't corner hard, I prefer them nonetheless for their easy rolling on pavement, this being an all rounder type of bike.) I extrapolate that 722 would also be better in this regard than 584, tho' presumeable not by as much. On 6/30/09, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Only half my tongue is in my cheek. (The other half is in my pocket.) I really love my Monocog 29er set up as a on/off road allrounder with said BAs and Snowcats, drops, fenders, and a modest 63 gear. Not Rivendellian, but unfortunately the only Riv that comes close, the Bomdadil, only takes skinny tires. (It does have vertical dropouts, but you could use an eccentric bb.) How tall are you? At just under 6' 0 I have always ridden 700s. When I started reading about BAs, I had to try them. I set up one of my touring bikes with them. Everything I read about BAs - comfort, handling, smooth ride, surprisingly low rolling resistance - was right on the mark. On the other hand, whenever I ride the bike I feel like I am on one of those old gas lamp lighters. So I am now definitely in Steve's camp. The ideal 650b design mandate are bikes built to accomodate big honking 50mm and 60mm tires for people probably up to 6'2 or so. I hope Schwalbe starts thinking about making a 650b Big Apple. On Jun 30, 3:29 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: On 6/29/09, GeorgeS chobur...@gmail.com wrote: Well. The consensus seems to be that it's my fault. This is not exactly what I was looking for. Doesn't anyone want to suggest special gravel wheels or, even better, a new frame of the country variety? I mean I fell twice. Should be some equipment here that I could explain to my wife is critical to my safety. Thanks though for the input. GeorgeS Hell, I'd be annoyed too if I had a perfectly good medical reason to buy a new bike, or at least new tires, and everyone told me, Don't bother, it's your
[RBW] Re: Rivendell on Seattle to Portland
I last did STP in 2004 when I did the one day version with friends and boy did we use the whole 24 hours ;-) For some reason I haven't gone back since. That said its a great ride, well supported ,big turnout, good route etc. Hope you have a great dry ride with the wind at your back, a tandem to draft, and beers at the end, On Jun 30, 8:23 am, Frank pguil...@gmail.com wrote: Is anyone on the list planning to ride STP this year? I'm going down in two days this year on my Saluki, and may end up riding with another Bleriot rider. We'll be overnighting in Centralia at the halfway point, so if anyone has correlative plans and would like to meet up, it would be good to say hey face to face. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Mixing Components
One option is Campy does make a 13x29 10 speed cassette (as does their aftermarket supplier Miche) Only one more tooth than you currently have but no compatablity issues. PBK often has killer deals -when they are in stock http://www.probikekit.com/display.php?code=L5067 For source material I believe that Lenard Zinn the lead tech guy at Velonews gets these questions quite often and you might look at his archives. He also has a section in his Zinn and the art of Road bike maintenance on mixing and matching components. As I recall the 9 speed stuff mixes pretty well but I think mixing 9 and 10 speed can be iffy. The Jtek suggestions above is also a good bet for info. RR On Jun 30, 11:56 am, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Doesn't matter. As long as Shimano dominates, we going to get what they want you to get. Even with Sram coming out with its group, which btw is Shimano-compatible, you're still have basically proprietary systems. That's the way things work. Friction is not coming back. Hey, that ship has left, its like trying get people to use 650b wheels:)..Good Luck with that! Well, fortunately for me, I have stockpiled so much friction gear (a lot of it NOS. STI really must have caught the old line makers off guard because there is so much stuff that never sold out there) to last me the rest of my riding life. I think the overly complex - and pricey - new systems is partly behind so many people going to single speed and fixed even in locations where some gears at least may help. It will be interesting to see whether SRAM making Shimano compatible keeps prices in line. On Jun 30, 1:37 pm, Brewster Fong bfd...@yahoo.com wrote: On Jun 30, 11:00 am, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Finally, I do agree that mfrs want customers loyalty. There going to design their components to work seamlessly. The fact that its incompatible with another mfr's system is probably not a consideration. Good Luck! In the good old days of friction shifting, manufacturers won customer loyalty by trying to make ders, shifters and freewheels that looked and worked better than the competition. The consumer enjoyed the ability to mix and match according to personal need, budget and aesthetics. Welcome to the 21st Century! Hey, I ran friction shifting for years. In fact, I was the last guy to convert over to ergo in my group. I was running a 9 spd set up with Simplex friction shifters! Today, you rarely see anyone with dt or even bar-ends and I bet many of those are indexed. Probably 90% of bikes sold today in the US have some sort of STI shifter. Shimano dominates and that's it! Now the big two make proprietary systems which limit the consumers' ability to make the bike as they want. I guess in one sense you could call this progress. I really wonder for whom. Doesn't matter. As long as Shimano dominates, we going to get what they want you to get. Even with Sram coming out with its group, which btw is Shimano-compatible, you're still have basically proprietary systems. That's the way things work. Friction is not coming back. Hey, that ship has left, its like trying get people to use 650b wheels:)..Good Luck with that!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Rivendell on Seattle to Portland
All this talk of STP is a great lead-in for a reminder to Riv owners in Oregon and Washington that the riders of Wheels North will be coming to town sometime in the next two weeks. We are riding 1,100 miles from California to Seattle to help raise funds for Histiocytosis, a rare and fatal disease. Our web site is at www.wheelsnorth.org Complete details on our route through Oregon and Washington are here: http://wheelsnorth.campyonly.com/the_route.html (The last two days from Portland to Seattle will follow the STP route in reverse.) If anyone on this list would like to meet us on the route and ride for a while, shoot me an email offlist. Thanks! --Eric campyonly...@me.com www.campyonly.com www.wheelsnorth.org On Jun 30, 2009, at 1:08 PM, RoadieRyan wrote: I last did STP in 2004 when I did the one day version with friends and boy did we use the whole 24 hours ;-) For some reason I haven't gone back since. That said its a great ride, well supported ,big turnout, good route etc. Hope you have a great dry ride with the wind at your back, a tandem to draft, and beers at the end, On Jun 30, 8:23 am, Frank pguil...@gmail.com wrote: Is anyone on the list planning to ride STP this year? I'm going down in two days this year on my Saluki, and may end up riding with another Bleriot rider. We'll be overnighting in Centralia at the halfway point, so if anyone has correlative plans and would like to meet up, it would be good to say hey face to face. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Rivendell on Seattle to Portland
My wife and I did the one-day version in 2007. It's a great experience. That year pirates were rampant and at some rest stops the volunteers were rationing the remaining food. Bring your own electrolytes if you don't like gatorade. I did it on my Specialized Expedition Deluxe touring bike. It's a great ride for a quickbeam-- it's very flat. Franklyn On Jun 30, 1:30 pm, Eric Norris campyonly...@me.com wrote: All this talk of STP is a great lead-in for a reminder to Riv owners in Oregon and Washington that the riders of Wheels North will be coming to town sometime in the next two weeks. We are riding 1,100 miles from California to Seattle to help raise funds for Histiocytosis, a rare and fatal disease. Our web site is atwww.wheelsnorth.org Complete details on our route through Oregon and Washington are here: http://wheelsnorth.campyonly.com/the_route.html (The last two days from Portland to Seattle will follow the STP route in reverse.) If anyone on this list would like to meet us on the route and ride for a while, shoot me an email offlist. Thanks! --Eric campyonly...@me.comwww.campyonly.comwww.wheelsnorth.org On Jun 30, 2009, at 1:08 PM, RoadieRyan wrote: I last did STP in 2004 when I did the one day version with friends and boy did we use the whole 24 hours ;-) For some reason I haven't gone back since. That said its a great ride, well supported ,big turnout, good route etc. Hope you have a great dry ride with the wind at your back, a tandem to draft, and beers at the end, On Jun 30, 8:23 am, Frank pguil...@gmail.com wrote: Is anyone on the list planning to ride STP this year? I'm going down in two days this year on my Saluki, and may end up riding with another Bleriot rider. We'll be overnighting in Centralia at the halfway point, so if anyone has correlative plans and would like to meet up, it would be good to say hey face to face. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Grand Tour Double Century Ride Report (or why I missed the S24O)
Hi Everyone, My brother, Tim, a friend of his, Bill, and myself completed the Grand Tour Double Century out of Malibu this past weekend. I've posted my write-up here if you care to read. I'm hoping to add a few pics eventually, but there will be nothing exciting about them: http://thesaltycyclist.blogspot.com/2009/06/2009-grand-tour-double-century-ride.html Oh, one thing I learned on this ride! When they put that black stuff on the road to seal a crack, take care when taking corners at speed, this stuff is a little slick. I had my rear wheel slide a bit on some of it during the ride, which surprised the heck out of me. Fortunately, it was just for a few moments and I didn't go down. Joe _ Hotmail® has ever-growing storage! Don’t worry about storage limits. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Storage?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_Storage_062009 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Grand Tour Double Century Ride Report (or why I missed the S24O)
Well, Joe, that's a pretty darn good excuse to miss out on camping. Great narrative! On Jun 30, 2:17 pm, Joe Bartoe jbar...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi Everyone, My brother, Tim, a friend of his, Bill, and myself completed the Grand Tour Double Century out of Malibu this past weekend. I've posted my write-up here if you care to read. I'm hoping to add a few pics eventually, but there will be nothing exciting about them: http://thesaltycyclist.blogspot.com/2009/06/2009-grand-tour-double-ce... Oh, one thing I learned on this ride! When they put that black stuff on the road to seal a crack, take care when taking corners at speed, this stuff is a little slick. I had my rear wheel slide a bit on some of it during the ride, which surprised the heck out of me. Fortunately, it was just for a few moments and I didn't go down. Joe _ Hotmail® has ever-growing storage! Don’t worry about storage limits.http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Storage?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_... --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Rivendell on Seattle to Portland
Sure, I'm doing it with a couple of friends. Coming down from Vancouver (Canada). I'll be riding a butterscotch 650A Saluki and talking with a funny accent. Mid-point for us is Napavine, WA. -Darren. On Jun 30, 8:23 am, Frank pguil...@gmail.com wrote: Is anyone on the list planning to ride STP this year? I'm going down in two days this year on my Saluki, and may end up riding with another Bleriot rider. We'll be overnighting in Centralia at the halfway point, so if anyone has correlative plans and would like to meet up, it would be good to say hey face to face. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] anyone actually tried Rivendell's Bullmoose bar yet?
Hi. I have been on the road and away from email for a few weeks, but I visited the Rivendell site today and saw this listing for a Nitto Bullmoose bar/stem. Has anyone actually seen and/or ridden one yet? http://www.rivbike.com/#product=16-198 David Sprunger Fargo, ND --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Whoa! Bombadil component alert!
These'll look great on a Bombadil. http://www.rivbike.com//#product=16-198 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Whoa! Bombadil component alert!
Be sure to scroll down through the pictures. Interesting rackage. On Jun 30, 5:24 pm, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: These'll look great on a Bombadil. http://www.rivbike.com//#product=16-198 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: anyone actually tried Rivendell's Bullmoose bar yet?
We both posted about this at the same time. That picture just went up. They look beautiful. Did you notice the front rack that's also on display in one of the photos? Weird. On Jun 30, 5:24 pm, David Sprunger sprun...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. I have been on the road and away from email for a few weeks, but I visited the Rivendell site today and saw this listing for a Nitto Bullmoose bar/stem. Has anyone actually seen and/or ridden one yet?http://www.rivbike.com/#product=16-198 David Sprunger Fargo, ND --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Surly Cross Check sizing question
Hey Gino, like Jon say, size it by TT, not PBH. That's the answer you're looking for. Good luck. Did you see that Gunnar now makes a touring bike? On Jun 30, 5:37 pm, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: I have a 60cm CC and a 62cm Rambouillet and 63cm Hilsen. The 60cm Surly feels a tad out of whack because the head tube is short, making it difficult to get the bars at the right height. I did try a 62cm CC years ago and it felt way too big but that was before I had a Riv. I definitely wouldn't get a 62cm CC even now. Because of the higher BB height the CC feels odd with large tires on it. If I were going to do it over again I'd get an LHT which has a much taller headtube. Why don't you just couple the Bleriot you have? --mike On Jun 30, 12:25 pm, Bill Connell bconn...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Gino Zahndginoza...@gmail.com wrote: For those of you who ride a Rivendell, and also ride a Surly Cross Check or Travelers Check, what are the sizing differences? It looks like top tube is going to be the best bet on sizing a Surly, but if you know of any amazing secrets, please let me in! I'm currently trying to decide whether or not to couple one of my Rivs for all the travel I do, or to just build up a Surly Travelers Check. I have both - i ride a 65cm Redwood and a 62cm CrossCheck, and the fit is very similar. I have a 2cm shorter stem on the CrossCheck, but same bars and saddle. I haven't measured precisely, but the contact points are almost identical between the two, mainly the bars are about 1-2cm lower on the CrossCheck. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Surly Cross Check sizing question
I agree on the TT sizing. Also, if you can, buy it with the steerer uncut so you can get the bars where you want them. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 7:40 PM, Mikemjawn...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Gino, like Jon say, size it by TT, not PBH. That's the answer you're looking for. Good luck. Did you see that Gunnar now makes a touring bike? On Jun 30, 5:37 pm, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: I have a 60cm CC and a 62cm Rambouillet and 63cm Hilsen. The 60cm Surly feels a tad out of whack because the head tube is short, making it difficult to get the bars at the right height. I did try a 62cm CC years ago and it felt way too big but that was before I had a Riv. I definitely wouldn't get a 62cm CC even now. Because of the higher BB height the CC feels odd with large tires on it. If I were going to do it over again I'd get an LHT which has a much taller headtube. Why don't you just couple the Bleriot you have? --mike On Jun 30, 12:25 pm, Bill Connell bconn...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Gino Zahndginoza...@gmail.com wrote: For those of you who ride a Rivendell, and also ride a Surly Cross Check or Travelers Check, what are the sizing differences? It looks like top tube is going to be the best bet on sizing a Surly, but if you know of any amazing secrets, please let me in! I'm currently trying to decide whether or not to couple one of my Rivs for all the travel I do, or to just build up a Surly Travelers Check. I have both - i ride a 65cm Redwood and a 62cm CrossCheck, and the fit is very similar. I have a 2cm shorter stem on the CrossCheck, but same bars and saddle. I haven't measured precisely, but the contact points are almost identical between the two, mainly the bars are about 1-2cm lower on the CrossCheck. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Surly Cross Check sizing question
Another one for TT sizing. In fact, Eric of Surly told me that. After seeing me ride a 62cm Cross Check. Way too big for me. Made it work with Albatross bars. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Jun 30, 7:50�pm, Bill Connell bconn...@gmail.com wrote: I agree on the TT sizing. Also, if you can, buy it with the steerer uncut so you can get the bars where you want them. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 7:40 PM, Mikemjawn...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Gino, like Jon say, size it by TT, not PBH. That's the answer you're looking for. Good luck. Did you see that Gunnar now makes a touring bike? On Jun 30, 5:37�pm, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: I have a 60cm CC and a 62cm Rambouillet and 63cm Hilsen. The 60cm Surly feels a tad out of whack because the head tube is short, making it difficult to get the bars at the right height. I did try a 62cm CC years ago and it felt way too big but that was before I had a Riv. I definitely wouldn't get a 62cm CC even now. Because of the higher BB height the CC feels odd with large tires on it. If I were going to do it over again I'd get an LHT which has a much taller headtube. Why don't you just couple the Bleriot you have? --mike On Jun 30, 12:25�pm, Bill Connell bconn...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Gino Zahndginoza...@gmail.com wrote: For those of you who ride a Rivendell, and also ride a Surly Cross Check or Travelers Check, what are the sizing differences? It looks like top tube is going to be the best bet on sizing a Surly, but if you know of any amazing secrets, please let me in! I'm currently trying to decide whether or not to couple one of my Rivs for all the travel I do, or to just build up a Surly Travelers Check. I have both - i ride a 65cm Redwood and a 62cm CrossCheck, and the fit is very similar. I have a 2cm shorter stem on the CrossCheck, but same bars and saddle. I haven't measured precisely, but the contact points are almost identical between the two, mainly the bars are about 1-2cm lower on the CrossCheck. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Whoa! Bombadil component alert!
Per the read about it that's the intention. I especially like the idea of having it match the frame. But I always loved the look of the old Ritchey and Fisher MountainBikes. Personally, my favorite setup was the old Nitto double clamp stem and riser bars from the 1984 Stumpjumper. Very heavy, but to my mind a nice change from the bullmoose. Still these new bars look beautiful. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Jun 30, 7:24�pm, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: These'll look great on a Bombadil. http://www.rivbike.com//#product=16-198 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Tubus rack and SKS fenders
I tried that. Didn't work. Even tried the upper hole in the rack for the fenders. Also didn't work. Ended up using the (Tubus) spacers and put the fenders on the lower eyelets. The fender line is not perfect. But the biggest problem was the upper nut hitting the rack strut. Worked out by canting the rack slightly forward. See this photo: http://tinyurl.com/mlsx9u (A couple other shots were taken on the ride tonight with the new setup.) Thanks everyone for the suggestions. Now to get this bike out for a longer ride. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Jun 30, 10:04�am, Horace max...@sdf.lonestar.org wrote: Have you tried mounting both the fender stays and the rack on the same upper eyelet? I have two bikes with SKS fenders and Tubus racks (Luna and Cosmo), and that worked fine on both bikes. (Neither bike had lower eyelets). Horace. On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 7:19 AM, EricPericpl...@aol.com wrote: Been thinking of putting a Tubus Cargo rack on my Hillborne for some S24O or maybe even a mini-tour. �When trying things out last night, appears the rack stays hit the fender stays. �Checking the Rivendell website, it appears Grant bent the fender stays on his Atlantis to avoid this issue. Is that probably the best method? �Nothing else I tried seems to work. �Checked putting the rack on the lower dropout braze-ons and the fenders on the higher. �Nope. My other option - just keep the Nitto R-14 top rack on and getting the Sackville Large saddlebag. �My Carradice Nelson just seems a bit small for this. �But I did something similar with the Atlantis last year. Anyone have some good advice? Eric Platt St. Paul, MN- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Surly Cross Check sizing question
I had a 54 cm CC that seemed to work. Had a 57 Bleriot and 58 Saluki. On Jun 30, 5:57 pm, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: Another one for TT sizing. In fact, Eric of Surly told me that. After seeing me ride a 62cm Cross Check. Way too big for me. Made it work with Albatross bars. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Jun 30, 7:50 pm, Bill Connell bconn...@gmail.com wrote: I agree on the TT sizing. Also, if you can, buy it with the steerer uncut so you can get the bars where you want them. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 7:40 PM, Mikemjawn...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Gino, like Jon say, size it by TT, not PBH. That's the answer you're looking for. Good luck. Did you see that Gunnar now makes a touring bike? On Jun 30, 5:37 pm, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: I have a 60cm CC and a 62cm Rambouillet and 63cm Hilsen. The 60cm Surly feels a tad out of whack because the head tube is short, making it difficult to get the bars at the right height. I did try a 62cm CC years ago and it felt way too big but that was before I had a Riv. I definitely wouldn't get a 62cm CC even now. Because of the higher BB height the CC feels odd with large tires on it. If I were going to do it over again I'd get an LHT which has a much taller headtube. Why don't you just couple the Bleriot you have? --mike On Jun 30, 12:25 pm, Bill Connell bconn...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Gino Zahndginoza...@gmail.com wrote: For those of you who ride a Rivendell, and also ride a Surly Cross Check or Travelers Check, what are the sizing differences? It looks like top tube is going to be the best bet on sizing a Surly, but if you know of any amazing secrets, please let me in! I'm currently trying to decide whether or not to couple one of my Rivs for all the travel I do, or to just build up a Surly Travelers Check. I have both - i ride a 65cm Redwood and a 62cm CrossCheck, and the fit is very similar. I have a 2cm shorter stem on the CrossCheck, but same bars and saddle. I haven't measured precisely, but the contact points are almost identical between the two, mainly the bars are about 1-2cm lower on the CrossCheck. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: anyone actually tried Rivendell's Bullmoose bar yet?
I was at the shop about a week ago and saw the bullmoose; very nicely done, with a gorgeous curve. I ordered one in fire engine red to match the Bombadil. I threw a leg over, but did not take a ride. My brief first impression is that it will be a very comfortable bar. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Whoa! Bombadil component alert!
In a message dated 6/30/2009 9:02:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ericpl...@aol.com writes: Per the read about it that's the intention. Sorry, I don't get it. Asking what the extension is seems like a logical question. Bill **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222377075x1201454393/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072hmpgID=62bcd= JunestepsfooterNO62) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Surly Cross Check sizing question
Why not couple your Ram? Speed and All day comfort. The Surely can't hold a candle imho. Cheers, Chris P.S. I want to thank whoever directed me to the Hubbub.com web site for the Mixing Components question. My LBS tried to sell me on a more costly and less desirable 10 speed Campagnolo solution, and I directed him to the link you provided. He admitted it could be done and would do it for me. I have donated some of the money I saved in a local beer drive in your honor. Really, thanks! On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 12:11 PM, Gino Zahndginoza...@gmail.com wrote: For those of you who ride a Rivendell, and also ride a Surly Cross Check or Travelers Check, what are the sizing differences? It looks like top tube is going to be the best bet on sizing a Surly, but if you know of any amazing secrets, please let me in! I'm currently trying to decide whether or not to couple one of my Rivs for all the travel I do, or to just build up a Surly Travelers Check. Thanks, Gino --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Mixing Components
Finally was able to track down your reply. THANK-YOU My LBS balked about using my parts in this fashion (I have a history of giving them parts and paying for their labor, so this is nothing new). I directed them to the link you gave me, and the owner acknowledged that this was a viable solution and agreed to do it for me. This knowledge prevented him from running up the tab with less efficient alternatives. As I told Gino, I have allocated funds from this savings for beer from a local establishment in a depressed economy in your honor. Seriously, Thanks! Chris On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 9:45 AM, Brewster Fongbfd...@yahoo.com wrote: On Jun 30, 8:01 am, zrainryder zdree...@gmail.com wrote: Just picked up an unusual bike on Craig's list (Serotta Hors Categorie). Even though its not a Rivendell, it does have an extended head tube and the curved seat stays really work in smoothing out road noise. It came with Campagnolo Veloce 10 speed groupo (12-28) and a compact crank (34-50). Not as nice as my Rambrouillet Bleriot that have Sugino triples (26-36-48) and sram 11-34 cassettes (which are nine speeds). Ok, the main objective I have is to get lower gearing on the new bike. I was thinking of putting a sram mountain cassette on the back (11-34) and changing out the campy real derailleur for a long cage xt. This would give me a low gear ratio of about 27 (700c tires). Will this work? I know most bike technicians say keep with one manufacturer...I hope this will work, because then I will have an expanded range (by increasing the largest COG from 48 to 50) while eliminating the granny gear. If this won't work, then I can always exchange the crank, bottom bracket, groupo, brakes etc. to match my other bikes. I'm hoping to avoid that. Mixing Campy and Shimano is possible. However, you appear to also want to mix 9 and 10 speed gearing. Since you're using Campy ergo, then frt der is a non-issue, unlike Shimano where you need to be specific as to what is used. Usually, its recommended to match your rear shifter with your rear der. So, using Campy Veloce 10 spd rear with Campy rear der over 10 cogs is a given. However, since you're looking to use a XT long cage rear der, it appears you now want to go from 10 spd to 9 spd. It may work. You'll want to look at the Hubbub article on mixing Campy 10 ergo with Shimano 9 by clamping the cable in the opposite position: http://www.hubbub.com/articles_ergopower.html You shouldmay look at this chart too: http://www.ctc.org.uk/DesktopDefault.aspx?TabID=3946 I use an older 2000 Campy 9 ergo (pre-2001 geometry) and a 2006 Campy 9 rear der with Shimano 9 cassette/hubs and Sram 9 chain with NO PROBLEM. Mixing and match 9 works fine for me. I have a friend who uses a DA 8 rear der with Campy 9 ergo and has no problem shifting 9 spd. Finally, If none of the above work, check Jtek shiftmate to see if they offer something that might help. Good Luck! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
