Re: [scifinoir2] The Complete List Of Sources Avatar's Accused Of Ripping Off -
It's the old hip-hop isn't original because the sound sources are sampled argument. Paint and photography ain't original either. Avatar was well done. At least Cameron sampled from an original crate. Hollywood's other ideas are so dry -- they remade The A-Team. On Feb 12, 2010, at 2:10 PM, Mr. Worf wrote: That's an impressive list. I am wondering at what point is it ok to have stories that are very similar? Floating cities, or islands in the sky have been around for a long time. There was one in Starblazers back in the 80s. On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 9:19 AM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: The Complete List Of Sources Avatar's Accused Of Ripping Off – http://io9.com/5460954/the-complete-list-of-sources-avatars-accused- of-ripping-off Avatar finally ended its stretch as America's #1 movie, but people are continuing to point out sources that James Cameron borrowed from. It's become a national pastime, our version of Banshee- catching. We've rounded up 16 sources that Cameron allegedly nabbed. image001.jpgDances With Wolves The similarities: A military man goes native and takes the side of the natives against his own army. Is there a case? James Cameron came out and admitted it, last summer. Other similar stories he looked at: At Play In The Fields Of The Lord and The Emerald Forest. Said Cameron, I just gathered all this stuff in and then you look at it through the lens of science fiction and it comes out looking very different but is still recognizable in a universal story way. image002.jpg Pocahontas The similarities: Fail Blog has a rundown of the overlaps — mostly they have to do with a guy going native and falling for a native woman, while his comrades want to run the natives out. Oh, and the native woman is betrothed to a native warrior guy, but she's not into him. Is there a case? At a very general thematic level, sure. image003.jpgCall Me Joe The similarities: As we wrote back in October, this 1957 novella by Poul Anderson has a lot of common ground with Cameron's movie: Like Avatar, Call Me Joe centers on a paraplegic - Ed Anglesey - who telepathically connects with an artificially created life form in order to explore a harsh planet (in this case, Jupiter). Anglesey, like Avatar's Jake Sully, revels in the freedom and strength of his artificial created body, battles predators on the surface of Jupiter, and gradually goes native as he spends more time connected to his artificial body. Is there a case? The website Litigation And Trial considered the merits of Anderson's claim, and noted that you can't copyright an idea — only your expression of the idea. (As the publishers of the source material for Rear Window found when they tried to sue Steven Spielberg over Disturbia.) Anderson's heirs would have to prove that Anderson originated the idea of someone controlling a hybrid alien body with his/her mind. image004.jpgRoger Dean's paintings The similarities: We ran a gallery of Dean paintings that look awfully similar to Cameron's vision a while back, and it is definitely striking how much correspondence there is — the floating mountains, the dragons, the weird fauna, the arch-shaped rock formations, etc. Dean posted a wry comment about it on his site, but has since deleted that blog post. (It was literally just a link to a google search for Roger Dean avatar.) Is there a case? A lot of people seem to think so. Entertainment Weekly asked Cameron about it, and he laughed it off, saying he might have been influenced by Dean back in my pot-smoking days. image005.jpg Delgo The similarities: This was a big meme before Avatar came out, and then people seemed to realize the two animated films didn't have that much in common. Mostly, they share a certain visual style, and they both have an emotional but strong female lead. Is there a case? No, not really. image006.jpg Battle For Terra The similarities: This one's a bit stronger than Delgo, actually. In both Avatar and Terra, humans arrive to exploit an alien planet full of cute natives. One human decides to take the side of the natives, and help them fight against the evil humans. Both movies have a tree of life and similiar structure, although there's no human-piloting-an-alien-body thing in Terra. Is there a case? Maybe a bit of one. But as one person points out here, Cameron was working on Avatar long before Terra was even in the pipeline. image007.jpgThe Winds Of Altair by Ben Bova The similarities: Bova's novel involves a planet that is uninhabitable to humans, due to its hostile environment. The humans adapt some of the local animals to do work for them, controlling them remotely via electronic brain implants, so the humans can stay safely on their orbiting ship. Eventually, they realize that making the planet habitable to humans will require wiping out all the native life
[scifinoir2] 'White Collar' promotes Marsha Thomason to Series Regular
Marsha Thomason's lesbian agent on White Collar will be getting a much heavier workload in season 2. Sources confirm to me exclusively that the former Las Vegas and Lost star has been upgraded to a full-fledged series regular on the USA Network smash. Thomason's character, junior FBI agent Diana Lancing, turned up in the White Collar pilot, but hasn't been seen or heard from since. I'm told she'll reappear in the season 1 finale on March 9 and then return full-time in season 2. Thomason recently completed an arc on General Hospital as the manager-girlfriend of James Franco's psycho killer-slash-painter. http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2010/02/11/white-collar-marsha-thomason-series-r egular/#more-6084 E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14380 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/
RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Survivors?
I want you on my team!!! :-) -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of B Smith Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 2:53 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Survivors? we have a pretty good cross section of folks that post. I think we might be lacking a few skillsets but with books and hard work we could make a go. I'm pretty well versed in agriculture and could handle the basics of growing food, animal based agriculture and have even milked a cow or three. I've slaughtered and procesed my own meat so that wouldn't scare me. I know which end of the hammer to swing and could be semi-handy if pressed into service. I also know my way around a lab setting pretty darn well so manufacturing biodiesel and the like would be up my alley as well. Unfortunately I've gotten lazy and haven't used my more physical skillsets for a while. I guess i'd have to come out of retirement. Any pilots on the list? How about some mechanically inclined people? Medical professionals? Anyone know how to set up an off the grid solar or wind power system? --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: I hate reality tv, but maybe this would be good. How do you think we would do as a survivor group? -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of B Smith Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 2:23 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Survivors? I liked The Colony but they were too competent. Their group had engineers, a couple of scientists, a mechanic, a doctor, a nurse and two handymen. The only deadweight they had was a personal trainer/martial arts instructor who happened to be a hard worker. It's still pretty fun to watch. When they had to interact with other survivors made for good tv. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella tdlists@ wrote: You make a good defense. And as I said, despite ALLL :-) my pet peeves, I have not given up on it. Even quietly, the characters are poorly motivated. Some of my favorite shows had mediocre starts, so I will get off my they're running around with their heads cut off' meme. :-). Also I recognize that I have a different profile than the average person. I'm a natural planner, I believe we are in the midst of peak oil, I'm a professional treehugger, and I hang around a lot of scientist and techies. . So, while I know, I would be loosing my mind (likely curled up into a ball moaning incoherently), it would not be in my nature to drive aimlessly away from my base without a plan. I will look for the colony. Is it any good? I think we would kick as a group, but would supper from serious tech gadget withdrawal. Before the Internet, I hoarded books and lived in the library. Thus my inclination to raid books and libraries as I mentioned before -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of B Smith Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 1:45 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Survivors? I haven't seen the original either. I've seen the first three episodes and the crew starts to wise up pretty quickly. I think Martin hit the nail on the head that seeing 99% of humanity die would throw most folks into a deep depression. The doctor seems shell shocked but I imagine she's been on the frontlines since the beginning and by the time we meet them she's probably seen enough death to break even the toughest person. Survivors is firmly in the British Quiet Apocolypse genre. They play very different than the American stories in the same genre. Americans would have handled this so differently it would have been a completely different show. It would have looked like Jericho crossed with Zombieland with even more guns. In a post-Katrina world I think an American version of this show would look drastically different. BTW did anyone see the Discovery Channel's The Colony? They were a bit too skilled and competent but it was a fun show. This reminds me of a game/scenario posted on another forum about when the stuff hits the fan. It would be interesting to see how SciFiNoir would gameplan a post-disaster event using their skills, materials and talents. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ wrote: I VAGUELY remember sitting down in front of the TV to watch it on PBS, but that's about it. Wonder if Hulu might have it... nope. :-( If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: tdlists@ Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 13:00:40 -0800 Subject: RE:
[scifinoir2] 'Heroes' Never Recovered From Its First Break
'Heroes' Never Recovered From Its First Break Series creator outlines his feelings on the evolution of NBC show on the bubble http://www.airlockalpha.com/node/7129 When you think of NBC's http://www.airlockalpha.com/node/7129 http://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2_bing.gif Heroes, you can't help but think of a younger, less emotionally certain Peter Petrelli http://www.airlockalpha.com/node/7129 http://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2_bing.gif standing on the roof of a building with Mohinder's enigmatic narration on the nature of life's mysteries. Those were the good days. Now, the series has evolved to a point where it is barely recognizable from its debut season (both in terms of characters and pace), and the ratings have plummeted. Where did the series go wrong, if it indeed went wrong in the first place? Fans have their opinions and series creator Tim Kring has his own. However, to Kring, the series never fully recovered after its first break following the initial 11 episodes. Fallout, the 11th episode of the series, originally premiered on Dec. 4, 2006, after which the series went on a festive vacation before returning to the screens on Jan. 22, 2007. We took about four days off between Season 1 and 2 -- we never stopped writing, Kring told The AV Club. Same directors, same actors, same everything. So when someone says they don't like Season 2, it's like, 'Well, that was yesterday.' We don't have a sense that the seasons are divided by ideas or timeframes; it's just this big long continuum. Kring said the first season can be divided into two places. Then Heroes took a seven-wrrk break, and the audience simply never came back. The first 16 episodes was the part everybody talks about, he said. After that 16th episode, Heroes delved deeply into the mythology of the mysterious Company, and eventually built toward an explosion-filled season finale ... and that became a problem for the show. The other thing is, you can only be shiny and new one time, Kring said. Also in that first season, we probably should have done two volumes or three volumes, smaller stories. I think people would have gotten used to the fact that we tell a story in volumes that have a beginning, a middle, and an end. Because we didn't, and we ended with sort of a finale, it felt like, 'Well, I guess that's over.' So how do you go back to saving the world again? In reality, that was an issue for me. I was very interested in the origin story of where these characters came from - that first blush of discovery. It's the most fun to write, and ultimately it's the most interesting for the audience. But Kring previously apologized for the direction that Heroes took in its second season, right? Wrong. According to Kring, his comments were taken out of context and although he may wish to do some things differently he claims he did not apologize for any creative decision the series has made. No, I was standing on the picket line when Jeff Jensen [from Entertainment Weekly called me, he said. And he said, 'Would you have done anything different?' Nobody had ever asked me that before. So I answered really honestly, 'There isn't a day that goes by where I wouldn't do 10,000 things differently.' People think you're making some precise widget, some scientific little thing, but instead it's filled with human error and guesswork. So I mentioned a few things, but they published it as I 'apologized to my audience.' I got sandbagged. Kring was also keen to discuss the change of pace in the fourth season of the series, specifically the elongation of character arcs. There have been instances this year where a pivotal piece in a character's back story is revealed only to be discarded for weeks until there is a time to revisit it. This change hasn't been an accident, but instead an act of necessity due to the high number of characters that make up the series. That's a product of a few things, Kring said. First of all, there are only so many storylines you can actually do. The first season, there were six or seven - little bit of this, little bit of that. The haiku type of storytelling was effective when characters had very separate storylines. My idea was for them to stay apart for as long as possible. The network wanted them to be together on the second episode, and we really fought that. Once characters start crossing, you can do fewer stories. The trick to making a show more cost-efficient is by telling fewer stories per episode, he said. When you have a certain number of characters, you're facing a mathematical reality that not every character can be in every episode. So some have to sit out. There is still no word on whether or not Heroes will receive a pickup for another season -- or in any other format for that matter -- which means that if Season 4 is the last page-defying adventure, the show has ended without a proper conclusion. Krings's full interview can be found at The AV Club by clicking
Re: [scifinoir2] Cave in Mexico has World's Largest Crystals
ahar...@earthlink.net Journey to the Center of the Earth, anyone? Love it! WOW! Amy Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Cave in Mexico has World's Largest Crystals That's Superman's fortress of solitude. :) On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 8:02 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: This is freakin' awesome! Who says you need to go to outer space to find alien environments? This reminds me of innumerable scifi films I've seen over the years with similar settings... This is definitely worth taking a look at. Click on the pics for a larger view. * http://www.stormchaser.ca/Caves/Naica/Naica.html The Crystal Cave of Giants was accidentally discovered in 2000 by miners working in the silver and lead mine at Naica, Mexico. It lies almost 300 meters (900 feet) below the surface of the Earth and it contains the largest crystals known in the world, by far. The largest crystals are over 11 meters long (36 feet) and weigh 55 tons. The crystals themselves are made of selenite which is crystallized gypsum, the same material used in drywall construction. Except these crystals formed over a span of about half a million years in a hot water solution, saturated with minerals. The the temperature inside the cave remained very consistently hot for the entire time the crystals were growing. It is still incredibly hot in the cave due its proximity to a magma chamber, deep underground. The air temperature is 50C with a relative humidity of over 90%, making the air feel like an unbearable 105C (228F) Entering the cave without special protective suits can be fatal in 15 minutes. I will be entering the cave wearing a special cooling suit with chilling packs inside and a specialized backpack respirator which will allow me to breath chilled air. Even with all this equipment, I will still only be able to stay in the cave for no more than 45 minutes at a time. In extreme heat, the body begins to lose higher brain functions which made the expedition much more difficult with the risk of falling into deep pits, or being impaled on a sharp crystal. All the camera gear needs to be slowly brought up to temperature beforehand by pre-heating it and most cameras with moving parts and tape mechanisms simply will not work at all. It is as dangerous as it is beautiful. When the call comes over the radio to get out... It is time to go. Climbing up onto one of the larger crystals. When we first arrived at the Naica mine, Manuel and his crew took us inside without wearing the special cooling suits. This was in order to get us used to what REAL heat is like. There is a steel door protecting the cave and as soon as you pass through it, the temperature hits you like a truck, but as soon as you get your first glimpse of the incredible crystals, you want to keep going deeper. We were inside for only 14 minutes, which was pushing the danger limits without cooling suits. When we exited, the staging area was a cool 41 Celsius. My heart was pounding and I was completely soaked in sweat, my shirts, pants, socks boots... Everything. All we could do was sit, drink and rest. The next day, the real exploration began. We had left our camera gear inside the cave the night before, sealed up in air tight bags so that it could slowly warm up to the ambient temperature of the cave. Without doing this, all the gear would fog up, form a layer of condensation and become totally useless. -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2691 - Release Date: 02/16/10 02:35:00
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Survivors?
I can also shoot a gun, and fish too. :) On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 1:13 AM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: I want you on my team!!! :-) -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of B Smith Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 2:53 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Survivors? we have a pretty good cross section of folks that post. I think we might be lacking a few skillsets but with books and hard work we could make a go. I'm pretty well versed in agriculture and could handle the basics of growing food, animal based agriculture and have even milked a cow or three. I've slaughtered and procesed my own meat so that wouldn't scare me. I know which end of the hammer to swing and could be semi-handy if pressed into service. I also know my way around a lab setting pretty darn well so manufacturing biodiesel and the like would be up my alley as well. Unfortunately I've gotten lazy and haven't used my more physical skillsets for a while. I guess i'd have to come out of retirement. Any pilots on the list? How about some mechanically inclined people? Medical professionals? Anyone know how to set up an off the grid solar or wind power system? --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: I hate reality tv, but maybe this would be good. How do you think we would do as a survivor group? -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of B Smith Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 2:23 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Survivors? I liked The Colony but they were too competent. Their group had engineers, a couple of scientists, a mechanic, a doctor, a nurse and two handymen. The only deadweight they had was a personal trainer/martial arts instructor who happened to be a hard worker. It's still pretty fun to watch. When they had to interact with other survivors made for good tv. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella tdlists@ wrote: You make a good defense. And as I said, despite ALLL :-) my pet peeves, I have not given up on it. Even quietly, the characters are poorly motivated. Some of my favorite shows had mediocre starts, so I will get off my they're running around with their heads cut off' meme. :-). Also I recognize that I have a different profile than the average person. I'm a natural planner, I believe we are in the midst of peak oil, I'm a professional treehugger, and I hang around a lot of scientist and techies. . So, while I know, I would be loosing my mind (likely curled up into a ball moaning incoherently), it would not be in my nature to drive aimlessly away from my base without a plan. I will look for the colony. Is it any good? I think we would kick as a group, but would supper from serious tech gadget withdrawal. Before the Internet, I hoarded books and lived in the library. Thus my inclination to raid books and libraries as I mentioned before -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of B Smith Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 1:45 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Survivors? I haven't seen the original either. I've seen the first three episodes and the crew starts to wise up pretty quickly. I think Martin hit the nail on the head that seeing 99% of humanity die would throw most folks into a deep depression. The doctor seems shell shocked but I imagine she's been on the frontlines since the beginning and by the time we meet them she's probably seen enough death to break even the toughest person. Survivors is firmly in the British Quiet Apocolypse genre. They play very different than the American stories in the same genre. Americans would have handled this so differently it would have been a completely different show. It would have looked like Jericho crossed with Zombieland with even more guns. In a post-Katrina world I think an American version of this show would look drastically different. BTW did anyone see the Discovery Channel's The Colony? They were a bit too skilled and competent but it was a fun show. This reminds me of a game/scenario posted on another forum about when the stuff hits the fan. It would be interesting to see how SciFiNoir would gameplan a post-disaster event using their skills, materials and talents. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ wrote: I VAGUELY remember sitting down in front of the TV to watch it on PBS, but that's about it. Wonder if Hulu might have it... nope. :-( If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players,
Re: [scifinoir2] 'White Collar' promotes Marsha Thomason to Series Regular
TV loves lipstick lesbians. On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 1:09 AM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: Marsha Thomason’s lesbian agent on *White Collar* will be getting a much heavier workload in season 2. Sources confirm to me exclusively that the former *Las Vegas* and *Lost*star has been upgraded to a full-fledged series regular on the USA Network smash. Thomason’s character, junior FBI agent Diana Lancing, turned up in the *White Collar* pilot, but hasn’t been seen or heard from since. I’m told she’ll reappear in the season 1 finale on March 9 and then return full-time in season 2. Thomason recently completed an arc on *General Hospital* as the manager-girlfriend of James Franco’s psycho killer-slash-painter. http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2010/02/11/white-collar-marsha-thomason-series-regular/#more-6084 * E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14380 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ * -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
RE: [scifinoir2] 'White Collar' promotes Marsha Thomason to Series Regular
I was surprised that they took her off after the pilot after making such a big deal about her sexual interests. Perhaps she had scheduling conflicts From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 1:24 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] 'White Collar' promotes Marsha Thomason to Series Regular TV loves lipstick lesbians. On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 1:09 AM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: Marsha Thomason’s lesbian agent on White Collar will be getting a much heavier workload in season 2. Sources confirm to me exclusively that the former Las Vegas and Lost star has been upgraded to a full-fledged series regular on the USA Network smash. Thomason’s character, junior FBI agent Diana Lancing, turned up in the White Collar pilot, but hasn’t been seen or heard from since.. I’m told she’ll reappear in the season 1 finale on March 9 and then return full-time in season 2. Thomason recently completed an arc on General Hospital as the manager-girlfriend of James Franco’s psycho killer-slash-painter. http://ausiellofiles.ew..com/2010/02/11/white-collar-marsha-thomason-series-regular/#more-6084 http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2010/02/11/white-collar-marsha-thomason-series-regular/#more-6084 E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14380 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14380 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14380 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/
Re: [scifinoir2] 'Heroes' Never Recovered From Its First Break
At this point I think that the series has too many issues. They have turned Sylar into a repented hero with a dark past. Claire has outed herself to the world and now they run the risk of falling into that strange void of no where to go from here. They left a few holes in the plot that they never really explained. Its just a mess. Do they deserve a renewal? I dunno. On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 1:23 AM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: 'Heroes' Never Recovered From Its First Break Series creator outlines his feelings on the evolution of NBC show on the bubble http://www.airlockalpha.com/node/7129 When you think of NBC's[image: http://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2_bing.gif]http://www.airlockalpha.com/node/7129Heroes, you can't help but think of a younger, less emotionally certain Peter Petrelli[image: http://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2_bing.gif]http://www.airlockalpha.com/node/7129standing on the roof of a building with Mohinder's enigmatic narration on the nature of life's mysteries. Those were the good days. Now, the series has evolved to a point where it is barely recognizable from its debut season (both in terms of characters and pace), and the ratings have plummeted. Where did the series go wrong, if it indeed went wrong in the first place? Fans have their opinions and series creator Tim Kring has his own. However, to Kring, the series never fully recovered after its first break following the initial 11 episodes. Fallout, the 11th episode of the series, originally premiered on Dec. 4, 2006, after which the series went on a festive vacation before returning to the screens on Jan. 22, 2007. We took about four days off between Season 1 and 2 -- we never stopped writing, Kring told The AV Club. Same directors, same actors, same everything. So when someone says they don’t like Season 2, it’s like, 'Well, that was yesterday.' We don’t have a sense that the seasons are divided by ideas or timeframes; it’s just this big long continuum. Kring said the first season can be divided into two places. Then Heroes took a seven-wrrk break, and the audience simply never came back. The first 16 episodes was the part everybody talks about, he said. After that 16th episode, Heroes delved deeply into the mythology of the mysterious Company, and eventually built toward an explosion-filled season finale ... and that became a problem for the show. The other thing is, you can only be shiny and new one time, Kring said. Also in that first season, we probably should have done two volumes or three volumes, smaller stories. I think people would have gotten used to the fact that we tell a story in volumes that have a beginning, a middle, and an end. Because we didn’t, and we ended with sort of a finale, it felt like, 'Well, I guess that’s over.' So how do you go back to saving the world again? In reality, that was an issue for me. I was very interested in the origin story of where these characters came from — that first blush of discovery. It’s the most fun to write, and ultimately it’s the most interesting for the audience. But Kring previously apologized for the direction that Heroes took in its second season, right? Wrong. According to Kring, his comments were taken out of context and although he may wish to do some things differently he claims he did not apologize for any creative decision the series has made. No, I was standing on the picket line when Jeff Jensen [from *Entertainment Weekly* called me, he said. And he said, 'Would you have done anything different?' Nobody had ever asked me that before. So I answered really honestly, 'There isn’t a day that goes by where I wouldn’t do 10,000 things differently.' People think you’re making some precise widget, some scientific little thing, but instead it’s filled with human error and guesswork. So I mentioned a few things, but they published it as I 'apologized to my audience.' I got sandbagged. Kring was also keen to discuss the change of pace in the fourth season of the series, specifically the elongation of character arcs. There have been instances this year where a pivotal piece in a character's back story is revealed only to be discarded for weeks until there is a time to revisit it. This change hasn't been an accident, but instead an act of necessity due to the high number of characters that make up the series. That’s a product of a few things, Kring said. First of all, there are only so many storylines you can actually do. The first season, there were six or seven — little bit of this, little bit of that. The haiku type of storytelling was effective when characters had very separate storylines. My idea was for them to stay apart for as long as possible. The network wanted them to be together on the second episode, and we really fought that. Once characters start crossing, you can do fewer stories. The trick to making a show more cost-efficient
[scifinoir2] Art Gallery Celebrates History Of Black Superheroes
Art Gallery Celebrates History Of Black Superheroes By Jerry Barrow, Senior Editor http://theurbandaily.com/author/jbarrow/February 16, 2010 8:00 am From now until February 26, 2010 * Somos Arte http://www.somosarte.com/*and *Marvel Comics* are offering their newest exhibit, *Marvelous Color*http://www.marvelouscolor.com/. This new show celebrates 70 years of Marvel and their use of iconic African American superheros in their pages. The focus will be six of Marvel Comics’ popular and iconographic super hero characters: Black Panther, Storm, Luke Cage, The Falcon, Blade and James Rhodes (Iron Man/War Machine). It will feature artwork and appearances by some of the best artist in the business including a rare appearance by the legendary John Romita (Jr Sr). “It’s about the art…*we *are art,” said Edgardo Miranda-Rodriguez, Partner and Art Director in Somos Arte. “When we put our art on the wall we celebrate it.” TheUrbandaily was present at the show’s opening and got to speak with two of the artists, *Eric Battle* and *Chris Cross*, as well as Associate Producer Riggs Morales, who spends his days as the AR for Shady/Aftermath Records The exhibit is being shown exclusively at *The Caribbean Cultural Center African Diaspora Institute (CCCADI)* 408 West 58th Street, New York, NY 10019. Call (212) 307-7420, ext. 3008 details. See it here: http://theurbandaily.com/news/black-history-month/jbarrow/video-who-is-your-favorite-black-comic-book-hero/ -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
Re: [scifinoir2] 'White Collar' promotes Marsha Thomason to Series Regular
The pilots are always weird. What usually happens is that they don't really have the budget down after the pilot. I have seen some weird cast changes happen too. For example, the show Trueblood changed a couple of regular characters after the series got picked up. (Tara was played by a light skinned actress.) They even dyed the main characters hair. The script didn't change. On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 1:41 AM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: I was surprised that they took her off after the pilot after making such a big deal about her sexual interests. Perhaps she had scheduling conflicts *From:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Mr. Worf *Sent:* Wednesday, February 17, 2010 1:24 AM *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [scifinoir2] 'White Collar' promotes Marsha Thomason to Series Regular TV loves lipstick lesbians. On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 1:09 AM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: Marsha Thomason’s lesbian agent on *White Collar* will be getting a much heavier workload in season 2. Sources confirm to me exclusively that the former *Las Vegas* and *Lost*star has been upgraded to a full-fledged series regular on the USA Network smash. Thomason’s character, junior FBI agent Diana Lancing, turned up in the *White Collar* pilot, but hasn’t been seen or heard from since.. I’m told she’ll reappear in the season 1 finale on March 9 and then return full-time in season 2. Thomason recently completed an arc on *General Hospital* as the manager-girlfriend of James Franco’s psycho killer-slash-painter. http://ausiellofiles.ew..com/2010/02/11/white-collar-marsha-thomason-series-regular/#more-6084http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2010/02/11/white-collar-marsha-thomason-series-regular/#more-6084 * E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14380 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ * -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ * E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14380 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ * * E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14380 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ * -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Survivors?
Well you took Buckingham Palace first thing and you love books, so you know you are on team Scifi! From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 1:21 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Survivors? I can also shoot a gun, and fish too. :) On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 1:13 AM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: I want you on my team!!! :-) -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of B Smith Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 2:53 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Survivors? we have a pretty good cross section of folks that post. I think we might be lacking a few skillsets but with books and hard work we could make a go. I'm pretty well versed in agriculture and could handle the basics of growing food, animal based agriculture and have even milked a cow or three. I've slaughtered and procesed my own meat so that wouldn't scare me. I know which end of the hammer to swing and could be semi-handy if pressed into service. I also know my way around a lab setting pretty darn well so manufacturing biodiesel and the like would be up my alley as well. Unfortunately I've gotten lazy and haven't used my more physical skillsets for a while. I guess i'd have to come out of retirement. Any pilots on the list? How about some mechanically inclined people? Medical professionals? Anyone know how to set up an off the grid solar or wind power system? --- In scifino...@yahoogroups..com mailto:scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: I hate reality tv, but maybe this would be good. How do you think we would do as a survivor group? -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of B Smith Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 2:23 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Survivors? I liked The Colony but they were too competent. Their group had engineers, a couple of scientists, a mechanic, a doctor, a nurse and two handymen. The only deadweight they had was a personal trainer/martial arts instructor who happened to be a hard worker. It's still pretty fun to watch. When they had to interact with other survivors made for good tv. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella tdlists@ wrote: You make a good defense. And as I said, despite ALLL :-) my pet peeves, I have not given up on it. Even quietly, the characters are poorly motivated. Some of my favorite shows had mediocre starts, so I will get off my they're running around with their heads cut off' meme. :-). Also I recognize that I have a different profile than the average person. I'm a natural planner, I believe we are in the midst of peak oil, I'm a professional treehugger, and I hang around a lot of scientist and techies. . So, while I know, I would be loosing my mind (likely curled up into a ball moaning incoherently), it would not be in my nature to drive aimlessly away from my base without a plan. I will look for the colony. Is it any good? I think we would kick as a group, but would supper from serious tech gadget withdrawal. Before the Internet, I hoarded books and lived in the library. Thus my inclination to raid books and libraries as I mentioned before -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of B Smith Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 1:45 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Survivors? I haven't seen the original either. I've seen the first three episodes and the crew starts to wise up pretty quickly. I think Martin hit the nail on the head that seeing 99% of humanity die would throw most folks into a deep depression. The doctor seems shell shocked but I imagine she's been on the frontlines since the beginning and by the time we meet them she's probably seen enough death to break even the toughest person. Survivors is firmly in the British Quiet Apocolypse genre. They play very different than the American stories in the same genre. Americans would have handled this so differently it would have been a completely different show. It would have looked like Jericho crossed with Zombieland with even more guns. In a post-Katrina world I think an American version of this show would look drastically different. BTW did anyone see the Discovery Channel's The Colony? They were a bit too skilled and competent but it was a fun show. This reminds me of a game/scenario posted on another forum about when the stuff hits the fan. It would be interesting to see how SciFiNoir would gameplan a post-disaster event using their skills, materials and talents. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter
RE: [scifinoir2] 'Heroes' Never Recovered From Its First Break
CANCEL – They destroyed the magic long ago. I do believe that the change in tone started in the middle of the first season, but I did like the whole first season. Thereafter with all the new characters introduced who were never developed by disappeared and all the story twists, I hung around out of loyalty from the first season for a while, hoping that the past glory would return, this season, I couldn’t muster up the energy to turn the channel or to watch it on Hulu. It jumped the shark long ago…. A fate worse than the series finale of Battlestar Gallactica. Who would have thought it possible. From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 1:46 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] 'Heroes' Never Recovered From Its First Break At this point I think that the series has too many issues. They have turned Sylar into a repented hero with a dark past. Claire has outed herself to the world and now they run the risk of falling into that strange void of no where to go from here. They left a few holes in the plot that they never really explained. Its just a mess. Do they deserve a renewal? I dunno. On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 1:23 AM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: 'Heroes' Never Recovered From Its First Break Series creator outlines his feelings on the evolution of NBC show on the bubble http://www.airlockalpha.com/node/7129 When you think of NBC's http://www.airlockalpha.com/node/7129 http://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2_bing.gif Heroes, you can't help but think of a younger, less emotionally certain Peter http://www.airlockalpha.com/node/7129 Petrellihttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2_bing.gif standing on the roof of a building with Mohinder's enigmatic narration on the nature of life's mysteries. Those were the good days. Now, the series has evolved to a point where it is barely recognizable from its debut season (both in terms of characters and pace), and the ratings have plummeted. Where did the series go wrong, if it indeed went wrong in the first place? Fans have their opinions and series creator Tim Kring has his own. However, to Kring, the series never fully recovered after its first break following the initial 11 episodes. Fallout, the 11th episode of the series, originally premiered on Dec. 4, 2006, after which the series went on a festive vacation before returning to the screens on Jan. 22, 2007. We took about four days off between Season 1 and 2 -- we never stopped writing, Kring told The AV Club. Same directors, same actors, same everything. So when someone says they don’t like Season 2, it’s like, 'Well, that was yesterday.' We don’t have a sense that the seasons are divided by ideas or timeframes; it’s just this big long continuum. Kring said the first season can be divided into two places. Then Heroes took a seven-wrrk break, and the audience simply never came back. The first 16 episodes was the part everybody talks about, he said. After that 16th episode, Heroes delved deeply into the mythology of the mysterious Company, and eventually built toward an explosion-filled season finale ... and that became a problem for the show. The other thing is, you can only be shiny and new one time, Kring said. Also in that first season, we probably should have done two volumes or three volumes, smaller stories. I think people would have gotten used to the fact that we tell a story in volumes that have a beginning, a middle, and an end. Because we didn’t, and we ended with sort of a finale, it felt like, 'Well, I guess that’s over.' So how do you go back to saving the world again? In reality, that was an issue for me. I was very interested in the origin story of where these characters came from — that first blush of discovery. It’s the most fun to write, and ultimately it’s the most interesting for the audience. But Kring previously apologized for the direction that Heroes took in its second season, right? Wrong. According to Kring, his comments were taken out of context and although he may wish to do some things differently he claims he did not apologize for any creative decision the series has made. No, I was standing on the picket line when Jeff Jensen [from Entertainment Weekly called me, he said. And he said, 'Would you have done anything different?' Nobody had ever asked me that before. So I answered really honestly, 'There isn’t a day that goes by where I wouldn’t do 10,000 things differently.' People think you’re making some precise widget, some scientific little thing, but instead it’s filled with human error and guesswork. So I mentioned a few things, but they published it as I 'apologized to my audience.' I got sandbagged. Kring was also keen to discuss the change of pace in the fourth season of the series, specifically the elongation of character arcs.
RE: [scifinoir2] 'White Collar' promotes Marsha Thomason to Series Regular
I read about a lot the casting changes in the news. For instance, three of the main characters were replaced in Moonlight and one of the twice I believe. While I’ve heard good things about the actress that replaced Thomason, she kind of fades into the woodwork. I thought Thomason did a decent job with the part. I’m glad they picked the actress they did for Tara. She’s intense and unexpected. They need more of that in Hollyweird From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 1:50 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] 'White Collar' promotes Marsha Thomason to Series Regular The pilots are always weird. What usually happens is that they don't really have the budget down after the pilot. I have seen some weird cast changes happen too. For example, the show Trueblood changed a couple of regular characters after the series got picked up. (Tara was played by a light skinned actress.) They even dyed the main characters hair. The script didn't change. On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 1:41 AM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: I was surprised that they took her off after the pilot after making such a big deal about her sexual interests. Perhaps she had scheduling conflicts From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 1:24 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] 'White Collar' promotes Marsha Thomason to Series Regular TV loves lipstick lesbians. On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 1:09 AM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: Marsha Thomason’s lesbian agent on White Collar will be getting a much heavier workload in season 2. Sources confirm to me exclusively that the former Las Vegas and Lost star has been upgraded to a full-fledged series regular on the USA Network smash. Thomason’s character, junior FBI agent Diana Lancing, turned up in the White Collar pilot, but hasn’t been seen or heard from since.. I’m told she’ll reappear in the season 1 finale on March 9 and then return full-time in season 2. Thomason recently completed an arc on General Hospital as the manager-girlfriend of James Franco’s psycho killer-slash-painter. http://ausiellofiles.ew...com/2010/02/11/white-collar-marsha-thomason-series-regular/#more-6084 http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2010/02/11/white-collar-marsha-thomason-series-regular/#more-6084 E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14380 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14380 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14380 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14380 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14380 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/
[scifinoir2] Re: Hollywood Extinction: Old Dinosaurs die at Box Office
I expected more from Harrison's film because, apparently, he is still a box office draw. I attend a lot of sneak previews (I am going to see Shutter Island, tonight. These are typically oversold. The biggest crowd I have seen this year was for the Ford picture. My date and I arrived an hour early and could not get into the theater. For comparison, the second biggest crowd I have seen for one of these was for Sherlock Holmes (which I also did not get into) and Holmes proved to be a box office success. The Book of Eli was well attended but the theater was not full and Eli has done respectable business. I guess that is the problem with Hollywood: you never know. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@... wrote: I think the timing was wrong for all three films. In the case of Ford's film they should have waited for the interviews about the movie to happen before the movie was released. Better still timed it with another medical movie. It doesn't help if the movie is mediocre as well. On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Kelwyn ravena...@... wrote: Harrison Ford's Extraordinary Measures grosses $12 million (budget:$31 million) John Travolta's From Paris with Love grosses $17.9 million (budget:$52 million) Mel Gibson's Edge of Darkness grosses $37 million (budget: $80 million) Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo! Groups Links -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
Re: [scifinoir2] Celebrity chef Beppe Bigazzi upsets viewers with his cat casserole
No soul food? With Oakland right there? Dude that's sad!- Original Message -From: "Mr. Worf" hellomahog...@gmail.comTo: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.comSent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 1:55:46 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada EasternSubject: Re: [scifinoir2] Celebrity chef Beppe Bigazzi upsets viewers with his cat casserole Almost all of the soul food restaurants in a 50 mile radius are gone. You can't even find good bbq here anymore. The $1000 restaurant is a special "foody" event that is cooked by a "maverick" chef. My father still cooks chitterlings (or chitlin's) and other stinky fair. :) And yes, you can get a tripe burrito (and all of the other parts) here as well. They show the maverick chef on the travel channel and on the food channel once in a while. I think he is famous for making poprock ice cream as a desert. On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 10:47 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Dude, a thousand bucks for entrails, brains, and the like? Are you kidding? I've had friends, neighbors and relatives all my life who've eaten stuff like that, be it country white and black folk, or frankly, the Mexicans in Texas and here in Atlanta. I can get you tripe or brain tacos at a Mexican joint here in Atlanta lickety-split. When I was in junior high back in the '70s, I can home one day to find the whole head of a slaughtered hog sitting on the kitchen table! I asked my mom what in the world was up. She said, "Boy, your daddy got a taste for hogshead cheese!" I find it odd that the events there are considered special. In Atlanta, at least, there's been a return to eating more "real" meat for a few years now. There are lots of top-rated restaurants where entrails and the like are eaten, and it's not considered so much a special deal as a return to the parts we eat up until the '70s. And frankly, you can eat those animal parts and still be relatively healthy, as the chefs who are reviving that cooking point out that Europeans eat like this, and are still healthier than Americans. I'd have thought that cooking would have hit San Fran as well by now, and much cheaper... - Original Message -From: "Mr. Worf" hellomahog...@gmail.comTo: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 1:08:48 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada EasternSubject: Re: [scifinoir2] Celebrity chef Beppe Bigazzi upsets viewers with his cat casserole I agree. On top of that, the guy may be right. It may be delicious but unless you go to China you'll never know. There is a special one night only party here in San Francisco where the host will cook parts of animals that are normally not eaten by folks such as "mountain oysters" or the brain. People pay up to $1000 to eat stuff that is eaten by black folks and southerners everyday. Does anyone stick up for alligators? They made shoes, luggage, and sausages out of them for years (still do) and they taste just like chicken. On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 9:32 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: I always get a chuckle out of stuff like this. Did this dude ever cook cow, chicken, duck, or pig? All are living animals that want to live. Pigs are actually smarter than cats or dogs, but no one cries out that they have rights. Why aren't animal rights groups upset over that? People seem to forget that if it walks, flies, crawls, or swims, there are societies where it will be eaten. Note how some in India won't eat cows, but in America it's practically our national food. I personally find the concept of people slurping down slimy mollusks revolting, but that's their preference. Frankly, I feel that the only people who could ever have anything approaching a right to criticize anyone's choice of eating a particular animal are pure vegans who don't eat, wear, or utilize anything that comes from an animal. - Original Message -From: "Mr. Worf" hellomahog...@gmail.comTo: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 11:48:51 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada EasternSubject: [scifinoir2] Celebrity chef Beppe Bigazzi upsets viewers with his cat casserole Celebrity chef Beppe Bigazzi upsets viewers with his cat casserole Richard Owen in Rome � 43 Comments Beppe Bigazzi says cat is better than chicken A top Italian food writer has been suspended indefinitely from the country�s version of the television programme Ready Steady Cook for recommending stewed cat to viewers as a �succulent dish�. RAI, the public broadcasting network, said that it had dropped Beppe Bigazzi, 77, for offering the recipe on La Prova del Cuoco, which is broadcast at midday on the main channel. Its switchboard was inundated with complaints from viewers and animal rights groups. Bigazzi said that casserole of cat was a famous dish in his home region of Valdarno, Tuscany. �I�ve eaten it myself and it�s a lot better than
[scifinoir2] Re: Hollywood Extinction: Old Dinosaurs die at Box Office
I disagree with Paris being a summer movie. If it was a summer movie, it would have played in the summer. It was dumped in February for a reason - a good reason as it turns out. Case in point, The Book of Eli with its religious theme, should have been a Christmas movie. But it would have gotten crushed on Christmas Day. It's studio strategically placed it in the perfect window to be successful. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@... wrote: I agree about From Paris being a summer time movie. The Jackie Chan movie too. Ford's movie is just a loose rip off of Lorenzo's oil which from what I'm hearing is a better film. It does however bring to light the serious issue of research not being done of rare diseases because it isn't good business. Edge of darkness seems more like a rip off of Taken (Liam Neeson). On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Daryle Lockhart dar...@...wrote: This is a good point I think, especially where From Paris is concerned. Put that same movie out between some summer pictures and it plays just fine. February was a horrible time for it, plus, let's be honest, until Travolta is totally OK, NONE of these pictures are going to do well. He's not promoting them, and folks want to hear from John. You could add The Spy Next Door to this list, but then you have The Shinjuku Incident, Jackie Chan's first dramatic role, a movie that just came out, which was in hella limited release. It's clear to me that Jackie is doing the family movies because he keeps getting hired. his passion seems to be elsewhere. Maybe it's the same with these other actors. Extraordinary Measures could star Will Smith, it would still be a movie made for TV, and as such, would not have done as well. Edge Of Darkness was a bad idea, and I'm afraid it's going to be the first of many bad ideas to come out in 2010 that will fail. NO argument that it died - it should have. Also, it's not that these actors are old, because remember Jennifer's Body? That was supposed to be a slam dunk. Who was more popular than Megan Fox? But the movie was horrible and was mismarketed. A good poster does not a marketing campaign make! Give the old guys a break. On Feb 16, 2010, at 8:56 PM, Mr. Worf wrote: I think the timing was wrong for all three films. In the case of Ford's film they should have waited for the interviews about the movie to happen before the movie was released. Better still timed it with another medical movie. It doesn't help if the movie is mediocre as well. On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Kelwyn ravena...@... wrote: Harrison Ford's Extraordinary Measures grosses $12 million (budget:$31 million) John Travolta's From Paris with Love grosses $17.9 million (budget:$52 million) Mel Gibson's Edge of Darkness grosses $37 million (budget: $80 million) Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo! Groups Links -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
[scifinoir2] Re: Hollywood Extinction: Old Dinosaurs die at Box Office
My name is rave! and I approve this message. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@... wrote: All three movies are fit into an overused formula that is at least 20 years old. Cop avenges the death of his partner, wife, daughter. Doctor working on a cure but can't get the money. Wild man mericanoffers payback on them dar terrorists. Hollywood still hasn't learned their lesson yet. On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 6:36 PM, George Arterberry brotherfromhow...@... wrote: Maybe they were just garbage movies. This time of year my main focus is sports. Being that I have college and pro season tix,the urge just ain't there for me..But with the timeline from general release and DVd being smaller and smaller I'm not proessed to see a movie. as I once was. Avatar was a once in a generational thing I had to view. but something that Ford,Travolta and Gibson slept walked thru for 10 mil plus, i'll pass. -- *From:* Mr. Worf hellomahog...@... *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tue, February 16, 2010 8:56:24 PM *Subject:* Re: [scifinoir2] Hollywood Extinction: Old Dinosaurs die at Box Office I think the timing was wrong for all three films. In the case of Ford's film they should have waited for the interviews about the movie to happen before the movie was released. Better still timed it with another medical movie. It doesn't help if the movie is mediocre as well. On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo. comravena...@... wrote: Harrison Ford's Extraordinary Measures grosses $12 million (budget:$31 million) John Travolta's From Paris with Love grosses $17.9 million (budget:$52 million) Mel Gibson's Edge of Darkness grosses $37 million (budget: $80 million) - - -- Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/scifinoir2 /app/peoplemap2/ entry/add? fmvn=mapYahoohttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo! Groups Links -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/mahogany_ pleasures_ of_darkness/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
[scifinoir2] Re: OT: Family Guy Ep on Down Syndrome Child Angers Palen
I hope Palin gets into a pissing contest with Seth MacFarlane. He has a really big bladder. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: I have to say I get her being offended/pissed at this one. It is directed straight at her, with the former governor of Alaska comment. If it were me, I'd be ticked. And understand this: I think Palin is an opportunistic, narrow-minded, prejudiced, self-righteous, empty-headed, petty person who tries to manipulate men and women alike with a wink and a smile, meaningless repetitive scripted speeches, and a overdone play as being just a normal American. So no love for Palin from me. I do get, though, how this could steam her. Were it being pointed at my son or daughter, I'd be pissed. But on the other hand, this also slightly reeks of the late Isaac Hayes' hypocrisy for getting pissed at the Southpark guys for lampooning Scientology. All the irreverent, tasteless, cruel, sexist/racist things Southpark had done over the years, Hayes participated in, yet he drew the line at Scientology? Likewise, how often has Palin attacked Family Guy or other programs on behalf of women, people of color, the poor, etc., when such have been portrayed in satire? The lady barely tackles Limbaugh, but up in arms on this? She has a right to be upset, yeah, but spare me the selective righteous outrage from a lady who felt perfectly comfortable calling Obama a terrorist, and using not-too-subtle language that the real America was only to be found among white, rural towns. Go 'way Sarah, please! - Original Message - From: Cinque3000 cinque3...@... To: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... Cc: tdemorse...@... , dar...@... , afrikanm...@... , bettil...@... , duva...@... , fis...@... , jeffreypbal...@... , killa...@... , imke...@... , seriousnup...@... , logic1...@... , truthseeker...@... , mmb1...@... , michael v w gordon michael.v.w.gor...@... , ravena...@... , rs...@... , everything...@... , valeryjea...@... , wendellsmit...@... , sonofafieldne...@... , williamsf...@... , beta...@... , dorothyh...@... , kalpub...@... , Albert Fields cbilmarket...@... Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 11:19:00 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Palin, daughter lash out at 'Family Guy' episode Palin, daughter lash out at 'Family Guy' episode AP Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin speaks before the NASCAR Daytona 500 auto race atAP â Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin speaks before the NASCAR Daytona 500 auto race at Daytona International ⦠By BECKY BOHRER, Associated Press Writer Becky Bohrer, Associated Press Writer â 2 hrs 8 mins ago JUNEAU, Alaska â Sarah Palin is lashing out at the portrayal of a character with Down syndrome on the Fox animated comedy Family Guy . In a Facebook posting headlined Fox Hollywood â What a Disappointment, the 2008 Republican vice presidential nominee and current Fox News contributor said Sunday night's episode felt like another kick in the gut. Palin's youngest son, Trig, has Down syndrome. The episode features the character Chris falling for a girl with Down syndrome. On a date, he asks what her parents do. She replies: My dad's an accountant, and my mom is the former governor of Alaska. Palin resigned as Alaska governor last summer. Palin's oldest daughter, Bristol, also was quoted on her mother's Facebook page, calling the show's writers heartless jerks. When you're the son or daughter of a public figure, you have to develop thick skin. My siblings and I all have that, but insults directed at our youngest brother hurt too much for us to remain silent, she is quoted as saying. If the writers of a particularly pathetic cartoon show thought they were being clever in mocking my brother and my family yesterday, they failed, Bristol Palin added in the Monday posting. All they proved is that they're heartless jerks. Palin wrote that she'd asked her daughter what she thought of the show and Bristol's reply was a much more restrained and gracious statement than I want to make about an issue that begs the question: When is enough enough? This isn't the first time Palin has spoken out over an attack, real or perceived, on her family. Last year, she condemned a joke David Letterman made about her daughter, for which he later apologized. A Family Guy publicist didn't immediately return an e-mail seeking comment.
[scifinoir2] Re: Hollywood Extinction: Old Dinosaurs die at Box Office
I saw Extraordinary Measures (big sneak preview crowd) but Mel looks old and small and the brutal story just pummels you. Add to that a disturbing strain of misogyny - two young women (including the one playing Mel's daughter) are taken out with extreme prejudice. Further, Measures feels dated (like it should be on a twin bill with The China Syndrome). ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Daryle Lockhart dar...@... wrote: This is a good point I think, especially where From Paris is concerned. Put that same movie out between some summer pictures and it plays just fine. February was a horrible time for it, plus, let's be honest, until Travolta is totally OK, NONE of these pictures are going to do well. He's not promoting them, and folks want to hear from John. You could add The Spy Next Door to this list, but then you have The Shinjuku Incident, Jackie Chan's first dramatic role, a movie that just came out, which was in hella limited release. It's clear to me that Jackie is doing the family movies because he keeps getting hired. his passion seems to be elsewhere. Maybe it's the same with these other actors. Extraordinary Measures could star Will Smith, it would still be a movie made for TV, and as such, would not have done as well. Edge Of Darkness was a bad idea, and I'm afraid it's going to be the first of many bad ideas to come out in 2010 that will fail. NO argument that it died - it should have. Also, it's not that these actors are old, because remember Jennifer's Body? That was supposed to be a slam dunk. Who was more popular than Megan Fox? But the movie was horrible and was mismarketed. A good poster does not a marketing campaign make! Give the old guys a break. On Feb 16, 2010, at 8:56 PM, Mr. Worf wrote: I think the timing was wrong for all three films. In the case of Ford's film they should have waited for the interviews about the movie to happen before the movie was released. Better still timed it with another medical movie. It doesn't help if the movie is mediocre as well. On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Kelwyn ravena...@... wrote: Harrison Ford's Extraordinary Measures grosses $12 million (budget:$31 million) John Travolta's From Paris with Love grosses $17.9 million (budget:$52 million) Mel Gibson's Edge of Darkness grosses $37 million (budget: $80 million) Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add? fmvn=mapYahoo! Groups Links -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
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Or American sneaks behind enemy lines in ( insert country here) to retrieve ( enter naive relative or love interest here) and killed several dozen to several thousands depending on the technology slow dimwited solider who forgot how to use weapons or run when a grenade is thrown. I'm also waiting for a young Black boy or girl to discover an amulet or secret to another world. From: Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, February 17, 2010 9:53:04 AM Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Hollywood Extinction: Old Dinosaurs die at Box Office My name is rave! and I approve this message. --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ ... wrote: All three movies are fit into an overused formula that is at least 20 years old. Cop avenges the death of his partner, wife, daughter. Doctor working on a cure but can't get the money. Wild man mericanoffers payback on them dar terrorists. Hollywood still hasn't learned their lesson yet. On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 6:36 PM, George Arterberry brotherfromhoward@ ... wrote: Maybe they were just garbage movies. This time of year my main focus is sports. Being that I have college and pro season tix,the urge just ain't there for me..But with the timeline from general release and DVd being smaller and smaller I'm not proessed to see a movie. as I once was. Avatar was a once in a generational thing I had to view. but something that Ford,Travolta and Gibson slept walked thru for 10 mil plus, i'll pass. - - *From:* Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ ... *To:* scifino...@yahoogro ups.com *Sent:* Tue, February 16, 2010 8:56:24 PM *Subject:* Re: [scifinoir2] Hollywood Extinction: Old Dinosaurs die at Box Office I think the timing was wrong for all three films. In the case of Ford's film they should have waited for the interviews about the movie to happen before the movie was released. Better still timed it with another medical movie. It doesn't help if the movie is mediocre as well. On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo. comravenadal@ ... wrote: Harrison Ford's Extraordinary Measures grosses $12 million (budget:$31 million) John Travolta's From Paris with Love grosses $17.9 million (budget:$52 million) Mel Gibson's Edge of Darkness grosses $37 million (budget: $80 million) - - -- Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/scifinoir2 /app/peoplemap2/ entry/add? fmvn=mapYahoohttp://groups. yahoo.com/ group/scifinoir2 /app/peoplemap2/ entry/add? fmvn=mapYahoo! Groups Links -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/mahogany_ pleasures_ of_darkness/ http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/mahogany_ pleasures_ of_darkness/ -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/mahogany_ pleasures_ of_darkness/
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Hollywood Extinction: Old Dinosaurs die at Box Office
Well, it's based on a BBC series that's about as old as China Syndrome. Which made it sort of hard for me to watch. There are so many great old BBC shows to remake, why that one? Just seemed like a bad idea that will probably explain itself in somebody's book one day. Unless Universal is gonna remake EastEnders, I say just leave it all alone. BBC stories seem to be doing okay without any help or translation. On Feb 17, 2010, at 9:48 AM, Kelwyn wrote: I saw Extraordinary Measures (big sneak preview crowd) but Mel looks old and small and the brutal story just pummels you. Add to that a disturbing strain of misogyny - two young women (including the one playing Mel's daughter) are taken out with extreme prejudice. Further, Measures feels dated (like it should be on a twin bill with The China Syndrome). ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Daryle Lockhart dar...@... wrote: This is a good point I think, especially where From Paris is concerned. Put that same movie out between some summer pictures and it plays just fine. February was a horrible time for it, plus, let's be honest, until Travolta is totally OK, NONE of these pictures are going to do well. He's not promoting them, and folks want to hear from John. You could add The Spy Next Door to this list, but then you have The Shinjuku Incident, Jackie Chan's first dramatic role, a movie that just came out, which was in hella limited release. It's clear to me that Jackie is doing the family movies because he keeps getting hired. his passion seems to be elsewhere. Maybe it's the same with these other actors. Extraordinary Measures could star Will Smith, it would still be a movie made for TV, and as such, would not have done as well. Edge Of Darkness was a bad idea, and I'm afraid it's going to be the first of many bad ideas to come out in 2010 that will fail. NO argument that it died - it should have. Also, it's not that these actors are old, because remember Jennifer's Body? That was supposed to be a slam dunk. Who was more popular than Megan Fox? But the movie was horrible and was mismarketed. A good poster does not a marketing campaign make! Give the old guys a break. On Feb 16, 2010, at 8:56 PM, Mr. Worf wrote: I think the timing was wrong for all three films. In the case of Ford's film they should have waited for the interviews about the movie to happen before the movie was released. Better still timed it with another medical movie. It doesn't help if the movie is mediocre as well. On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Kelwyn ravena...@... wrote: Harrison Ford's Extraordinary Measures grosses $12 million (budget:$31 million) John Travolta's From Paris with Love grosses $17.9 million (budget:$52 million) Mel Gibson's Edge of Darkness grosses $37 million (budget: $80 million) Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add? fmvn=mapYahoo! Groups Links -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
[scifinoir2] Re: Hollywood Extinction: Old Dinosaurs die at Box Office
Jennifer Anniston's appeal was totally lost on me until I saw Marley, a movie in which I found her quite fetching. Maybe it was the dog. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, George Arterberry brotherfromhow...@... wrote: Why is Jennifer Anniston still given scripts? This chick is so one-dimensional its not even funny. That Meg Ryan for the decade is played out also. I steer clear of chick flicks or romantic comedies like the plague. I hope alot of sisters didn't see Valentine's Day. Mr. Foxx may get the Wesley Snipes treatment. From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, February 16, 2010 11:08:42 PM Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Hollywood Extinction: Old Dinosaurs die at Box Office Learn their lesson? Are you kidding?! Man, last night I saw a commercial for a rom-com with Jennifer Anniston and Gerard 300 Butler. This is the second or third movie like this for him, I believe, but even my rom-com-loving wife agreed with my assessment that the movie looks awful. I had the misfortune of paying to see The Awful Truth, Butler's rom-com with Catherine Hiegel, which was really awful. Yet here they are, doing it again... And didn't I hear they're talking about a Bad Boys 3? The second film was so bad I nearly walked out, yet hear we go again. Learn their lesson? Never! - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ gmail.com To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 10:57:28 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Hollywood Extinction: Old Dinosaurs die at Box Office All three movies are fit into an overused formula that is at least 20 years old. Cop avenges the death of his partner, wife, daughter. Doctor working on a cure but can't get the money. Wild man mericanoffers payback on them dar terrorists. Hollywood still hasn't learned their lesson yet. On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 6:36 PM, George Arterberry brotherfromhoward@ yahoo.com wrote: Maybe they were just garbage movies. This time of year my main focus is sports. Being that I have college and pro season tix,the urge just ain't there for me..But with the timeline from general release and DVd being smaller and smaller I'm not proessed to see a movie. as I once was. Avatar was a once in a generational thing I had to view. but something that Ford,Travolta and Gibson slept walked thru for 10 mil plus, i'll pass. From: Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ gmail.com To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Tue, February 16, 2010 8:56:24 PM Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Hollywood Extinction: Old Dinosaurs die at Box Office I think the timing was wrong for all three films. In the case of Ford's film they should have waited for the interviews about the movie to happen before the movie was released. Better still timed it with another medical movie. It doesn't help if the movie is mediocre as well. On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo. com wrote: Harrison Ford's Extraordinary Measures grosses $12 million (budget:$31 million) John Travolta's From Paris with Love grosses $17.9 million (budget:$52 million) Mel Gibson's Edge of Darkness grosses $37 million (budget: $80 million) - - -- Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/scifinoir2 /app/peoplemap2/ entry/add? fmvn=mapYahoo! Groups Links scifinoir2-fullfeat u...@yahoogroups .com scifinoir2-unsubscr i...@yahoogroups. com -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/mahogany_ pleasures_ of_darkness/ -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/mahogany_ pleasures_ of_darkness/
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I disagree. We're talking Lionsgate here - they hit a homerun with Tyler Perry ( who is his own marketing engine) but they keep stumbling around with stuff like Crank and Spy Next Door. I don't think they've found their stride in action movies yet. But WOW are you ever right about Eli coming out at Christmas. It never would have survived. On Feb 17, 2010, at 9:51 AM, Kelwyn wrote: I disagree with Paris being a summer movie. If it was a summer movie, it would have played in the summer. It was dumped in February for a reason - a good reason as it turns out. Case in point, The Book of Eli with its religious theme, should have been a Christmas movie. But it would have gotten crushed on Christmas Day. It's studio strategically placed it in the perfect window to be successful. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@... wrote: I agree about From Paris being a summer time movie. The Jackie Chan movie too. Ford's movie is just a loose rip off of Lorenzo's oil which from what I'm hearing is a better film. It does however bring to light the serious issue of research not being done of rare diseases because it isn't good business. Edge of darkness seems more like a rip off of Taken (Liam Neeson). On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Daryle Lockhart dar...@...wrote: This is a good point I think, especially where From Paris is concerned. Put that same movie out between some summer pictures and it plays just fine. February was a horrible time for it, plus, let's be honest, until Travolta is totally OK, NONE of these pictures are going to do well. He's not promoting them, and folks want to hear from John. You could add The Spy Next Door to this list, but then you have The Shinjuku Incident, Jackie Chan's first dramatic role, a movie that just came out, which was in hella limited release. It's clear to me that Jackie is doing the family movies because he keeps getting hired. his passion seems to be elsewhere. Maybe it's the same with these other actors. Extraordinary Measures could star Will Smith, it would still be a movie made for TV, and as such, would not have done as well. Edge Of Darkness was a bad idea, and I'm afraid it's going to be the first of many bad ideas to come out in 2010 that will fail. NO argument that it died - it should have. Also, it's not that these actors are old, because remember Jennifer's Body? That was supposed to be a slam dunk. Who was more popular than Megan Fox? But the movie was horrible and was mismarketed. A good poster does not a marketing campaign make! Give the old guys a break. On Feb 16, 2010, at 8:56 PM, Mr. Worf wrote: I think the timing was wrong for all three films. In the case of Ford's film they should have waited for the interviews about the movie to happen before the movie was released. Better still timed it with another medical movie. It doesn't help if the movie is mediocre as well. On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Kelwyn ravena...@... wrote: Harrison Ford's Extraordinary Measures grosses $12 million (budget:$31 million) John Travolta's From Paris with Love grosses $17.9 million (budget:$52 million) Mel Gibson's Edge of Darkness grosses $37 million (budget: $80 million) Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/ add?fmvn=mapYahoo! Groups Links -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Hollywood Extinction: Old Dinosaurs die at Box Office
I try very hard to avoid the whole seasonal movie thing that's taken hold since the '70s. I'm a strong believer that good films should be released when they are released. I reject that blockbusters don't just belong in the summer or Thanksgiving/Christmas, that serious fare shouldn't just be lumped into the end of the year so idiotic Oscar voters can remember it for voting, that crap films should always be dumped in August or February. I think we've gotten so programmed into thinking a certain type of film only works during a certain time, we hurt ourselves. I'd have seen Book of Eli any time of year, as its themes don't fit into any season for me. I get frustrated every year now because studios are so overloading the summer months with the big budget/FX stuff like Transformers, that some films get delayed a whole year. Of course there are holiday-specific films that are logically released next to the holiday they're showcasing, most notably Christmas. But in the main I feel you just put out a good product, get some marketing around it, and then let people appreciate it. - Original Message - From: Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 9:51:49 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Hollywood Extinction: Old Dinosaurs die at Box Office I disagree with Paris being a summer movie. If it was a summer movie, it would have played in the summer. It was dumped in February for a reason - a good reason as it turns out. Case in point, The Book of Eli with its religious theme, should have been a Christmas movie. But it would have gotten crushed on Christmas Day. It's studio strategically placed it in the perfect window to be successful. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Mr. Worf hellomahog...@... wrote: I agree about From Paris being a summer time movie. The Jackie Chan movie too. Ford's movie is just a loose rip off of Lorenzo's oil which from what I'm hearing is a better film. It does however bring to light the serious issue of research not being done of rare diseases because it isn't good business. Edge of darkness seems more like a rip off of Taken (Liam Neeson). On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Daryle Lockhart dar...@...wrote: This is a good point I think, especially where From Paris is concerned. Put that same movie out between some summer pictures and it plays just fine. February was a horrible time for it, plus, let's be honest, until Travolta is totally OK, NONE of these pictures are going to do well. He's not promoting them, and folks want to hear from John. You could add The Spy Next Door to this list, but then you have The Shinjuku Incident, Jackie Chan's first dramatic role, a movie that just came out, which was in hella limited release. It's clear to me that Jackie is doing the family movies because he keeps getting hired. his passion seems to be elsewhere. Maybe it's the same with these other actors. Extraordinary Measures could star Will Smith, it would still be a movie made for TV, and as such, would not have done as well. Edge Of Darkness was a bad idea, and I'm afraid it's going to be the first of many bad ideas to come out in 2010 that will fail. NO argument that it died - it should have. Also, it's not that these actors are old, because remember Jennifer's Body? That was supposed to be a slam dunk. Who was more popular than Megan Fox? But the movie was horrible and was mismarketed. A good poster does not a marketing campaign make! Give the old guys a break. On Feb 16, 2010, at 8:56 PM, Mr. Worf wrote: I think the timing was wrong for all three films. In the case of Ford's film they should have waited for the interviews about the movie to happen before the movie was released. Better still timed it with another medical movie. It doesn't help if the movie is mediocre as well. On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Kelwyn ravena...@... wrote: Harrison Ford's Extraordinary Measures grosses $12 million (budget:$31 million) John Travolta's From Paris with Love grosses $17.9 million (budget:$52 million) Mel Gibson's Edge of Darkness grosses $37 million (budget: $80 million) Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo ! Groups Links -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
[scifinoir2] Re: Hollywood Extinction: Old Dinosaurs die at Box Office
The reaction to the trailer for the Harrison Ford movie spoke volumes. It played to dead silence. Edge of Darkness was marketed like Taken 2 but from what I've heard it wasn't a pleasant viewing experience. The old formula picture doesn't seem to work at the box office unless they throw some new spin on it. From Paris With Love was probably a slam dunk once upon a time but the buddy cop genre seems stale now. I think Kevin Smith's Cop Out is going to suffer the same fate. Edgar Wright's Hot Fuzz lampooned the genre but replicated the genre tropes so well and with so much love it was a joy to watch. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Kelwyn ravena...@... wrote: I expected more from Harrison's film because, apparently, he is still a box office draw. I attend a lot of sneak previews (I am going to see Shutter Island, tonight. These are typically oversold. The biggest crowd I have seen this year was for the Ford picture. My date and I arrived an hour early and could not get into the theater. For comparison, the second biggest crowd I have seen for one of these was for Sherlock Holmes (which I also did not get into) and Holmes proved to be a box office success. The Book of Eli was well attended but the theater was not full and Eli has done respectable business. I guess that is the problem with Hollywood: you never know. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ wrote: I think the timing was wrong for all three films. In the case of Ford's film they should have waited for the interviews about the movie to happen before the movie was released. Better still timed it with another medical movie. It doesn't help if the movie is mediocre as well. On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Kelwyn ravenadal@ wrote: Harrison Ford's Extraordinary Measures grosses $12 million (budget:$31 million) John Travolta's From Paris with Love grosses $17.9 million (budget:$52 million) Mel Gibson's Edge of Darkness grosses $37 million (budget: $80 million) Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo! Groups Links -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
[scifinoir2] Re: Survivors?
Some of the plants would continue to operate for a while but if the grids go down it's a moot point. Also the bulk of their plants or coal and natural gas powered. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@... wrote: I can understand power plants like a nuclear plant, but power plants like Hoover dam could run for some time until there are failures of the turbines. On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 11:58 AM, B Smith daikaij...@... wrote: Give it an episode or two and everything you guys mentioned will start to be answered. This was an intro episode and they spent more time introducing characters than getting to the nuts and bolts of survival. The survivors we have met so far are by an large urbanites who are pretty clueless about how stuff works. They kept thinking the government would get it's act together and establish some order but that all went down the tubes. I think that actually helped me enjoy the show. In the aftermath of a disaster this size people like Greg would be few and far between. BTW they initially thought that 10% of the population would be immune but it turned out to be less than 1%. England would have about 500,000 people scattered around post virus. The show is set in the Manchester area which has a roughly comparable population to Denver, Cleveland or pre-Katrina New Orleans. So that leaves roughly 25,000 people alive in that area. Someone mentioned going to London and Greg told them it was a bad idea. So as bad as things were where they were it was far better than London. As far as the power issue I was reading up on it and a catastrophic failure of the power grid can happen in less than a day if the plants aren't properly monitored, fueled, etc. If some of the powerplants failed early on it could have a cascading effect and end up taking down the entire grid. Imagine a country full of accidents like gas station explosion and it would make sense why they didn't have power. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ wrote: Another thing about the show that bugged me was who would allow their families and the rest of the country to die in order to keep a secret for the government or company? On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:44 AM, Mr. Worf hellomahogany@ wrote: Solar panels, windmills and batteries would be the first thing I grab after securing everything else. It would be nice to watch a movie once in a while. Your husband is correct about grabbing books on how to do things. You will definitely need all of that info. On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 11:11 PM, Tracey de Morsella tdlists@ wrote: Electric is going to go too. It they got a diesel they could make fuel from cooking waste and tons of cooking oil let in all the stores. (Treehugger in the house). I like your idea of going to Buckingham palace. I was telling my husband that I would stay in London an look for one of the old mansions that they used to build in the center of town that usually get turned into museums. Buckingham palace will do just fine. What is driving me crazy is that people who see no people are so willing to leave each other when they may not see anyone for ages. I will watch it, but character motivation in this thing sucks. My husband said he would go around to hoard tools as over times they would become scarce. I said I would raid libraries and books stores so I could get a community of people learning critical skills for survival. Medicine, construction, engineering, etc. I also would go after seeds for planting veggies and fruits. What would be the first thing you would go after once you secured the palace J *From:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Mr. Worf *Sent:* Monday, February 15, 2010 10:41 PM *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [scifinoir2] Survivors? Yea that was a bit stupid. I didn't understand why water and power cut off only after 3 days. That made no sense to me at all. Another was no one thought of walking over to the toyota dealer and taking a new prius running on electric power instead of worrying about gas. I can understand that after everyone dying off it would make sense that people would be a little dazed for a while until reality starts to set in. Only the black guy took the time to grab supplies and a good vehicle that can drive off road. If I were them I would go to Buckingham palace. It has tons of animals and veggies. Plus lots of safety zones and large weapons cache. On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 10:03 PM, Tracey de Morsella tdlists@ wrote: Its passable, but Iââ¬â¢m underwhelmed. Plus, I get the idea that they
[scifinoir2] OT: Olympic Ice Dancer Learns Weight can be a Good Thing
In keeping with what we were discussing recently about perceptions of self-image. Everyone says this lady is gorgeous, but man was she too bony! I get that athletes need to watch their weight, but in this case she proves how the skewed mainstream perceptions of female body types is dangerous. Not only did she not *look* good when she was thin (though she thought she did), someone had to prove to her she wasn't *performing* well because she was too thin. She'd sacrificed muscle strength, stability, and overall energy level to keep to mainstream perceptions of skinny as beautiful. I still cringe when i see the likes of Angelina Jolie, Paris Hilton, Keira Knightley, etc., hailed as standards of beauty. At a recent awards show, I listened to people from E! magazine, as well as several TV shows, gush about how beautiful Jolie was. All could see was a head and big lips perched atop an alarmingly thin body. I hope this lady's story gets out to show girls and women that not only do they need to ignore the fashion industry's biases, but realize that you can be too thin after all in many cases. I mean, her's a world class athlete who can't put two-and-two together to realize that reducing her caloric intake might--just might--have something to do with her lack of energy? Scary. By the way, I've never heard of Disordered eating before. Isn't this what we just call not eating enough? *** http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/17/sports/olympics/17icedancers.html ASTON, Pa. — The American ice dancer Tanith Belbin looks at photographs of herself from the 2006 Turin Olympics and wants to hide her eyes. Skip to next paragraph Enlarge This Image Jonathan Ferrey/Getty Images Tanith Belbin and Benjamin Agosto en route to winning the silver medal at the U.S. Figure Skating Championships in January of this year. Back then, she never thought her legs were too spindly or that her body was too chopstick-thin for her to be a strong skater. She thought she looked just fine. “Ugh, I was so thin,” Belbin said in a recent interview at Ice Works, the rink where she trains with her partner, Ben Agosto . “You could see my bones jutting out; you could totally see my chest bone sticking out.” Heading into their second Games, Belbin and Agosto, the Olympic silver medalists in 2006 , are once again among the favorites to win a medal in the competition, which begins Friday with the compulsory dance. What should give them an edge this time, Belbin said, is something she would have never dreamed could help them: her newly found muscles and curves. She can thank one of her coaches, Natalia Linichuk, for that. Linichuk and Gennadi Karponosov, who were the 1980 Olympic ice dancing champions, began coaching Belbin and Agosto in the summer of 2008, when Belbin and Agosto left suburban Detroit for a fresh start. Linichuk took one look at the 5-foot-6, 105-pound Belbin and said, “You need to gain 10 pounds.” She said more muscle would help Belbin skate faster and more fluidly. “At first, I said no way, but then I started to understand that it needed to be done,” said Belbin, who is from Kirkland, Quebec, but holds dual citizenship. “I don’t feel like I had a safe, well-thought-out or well-researched diet until the past few years, until Natalia gave me that ultimatum.” As it turned out, Linichuk also ended up saving Belbin from a problem that has long plagued figure skaters: disordered eating. Often not as severe as eating disorders like anorexia and bulimia , disordered eating involves irregular eating habits that can be fueled by a distorted body image. Belbin said she had struggled with those issues since puberty . When she was 16 or 17, Belbin grew several inches and gained weight, which threw off her skating technique. As her body matured, she tried to fight it. As an ice dancer who wears tiny outfits and is often lifted by her partner, Belbin said that every extra pound seemed like 20. She never binged, purged or used laxatives, she said, but she restricted her calories to the minimum. She would eat a small breakfast, then later snack on celery or a few almonds to get her through the day. After practices, she was too weak to lift her arms. Once in her apartment, she would stare blankly ahead, sapped of energy. When she could not control her hunger, she would eat a huge dinner and find herself two pounds heavier. It horrified her. “I thought I was out of control and that the weight gain must be my fault,” she said. “I was like, I’m eating nothing and I’m still not losing weight. I swear, I’m not eating anything and I’m exhausted and cranky and stressed and all of those things that make you gain weight even more.” Agosto, who is from Chicago, said those eating problems were common in skating, where pressure is placed on female skaters to be wispy beauties. Because they are judged on their
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Hollywood Extinction: Old Dinosaurs die at Box Office
I keep having this chicken or the egg dialog on this. Are studios having to
market a certain way to get audiences, or do audiences respond to certain
movies because studios are increasingly marketing a certain way?
The movie Brothers is a good example. That's the flick with Jake Gyllenhaal
and Tobey Maguire. By all accounts, it's a good character study of a family in
turmoil after supposedly dead soldier comes home, bringing his demons with him.
I've heard lots of praise for all the actors. But all the trailers played up
the action part. All i kept seeing in the trailers was Gyllenhaal and Natalie
Portman's forbidden kiss, and scenes of Maguire acting like a lunatic, breaking
glasses, standing around waving a gun, crazed. The movie's so much more than
that, but you wouldn't know it from those trailers.
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Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Hollywood Extinction: Old Dinosaurs die at Box Office
The reaction to the trailer for the Harrison Ford movie spoke volumes. It
played to dead silence. Edge of Darkness was marketed like Taken 2 but from
what I've heard it wasn't a pleasant viewing experience.
The old formula picture doesn't seem to work at the box office unless they
throw some new spin on it. From Paris With Love was probably a slam dunk once
upon a time but the buddy cop genre seems stale now. I think Kevin Smith's Cop
Out is going to suffer the same fate.
Edgar Wright's Hot Fuzz lampooned the genre but replicated the genre tropes so
well and with so much love it was a joy to watch.
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Kelwyn ravena...@... wrote:
I expected more from Harrison's film because, apparently, he is still a box
office draw. I attend a lot of sneak previews (I am going to see Shutter
Island, tonight. These are typically oversold. The biggest crowd I have seen
this year was for the Ford picture. My date and I arrived an hour early and
could not get into the theater. For comparison, the second biggest crowd I
have seen for one of these was for Sherlock Holmes (which I also did not
get into) and Holmes proved to be a box office success. The Book of Eli was
well attended but the theater was not full and Eli has done respectable
business. I guess that is the problem with Hollywood: you never know.
~rave!
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ wrote:
I think the timing was wrong for all three films. In the case of Ford's
film
they should have waited for the interviews about the movie to happen before
the movie was released. Better still timed it with another medical movie.
It
doesn't help if the movie is mediocre as well.
On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Kelwyn ravenadal@ wrote:
Harrison Ford's Extraordinary Measures grosses $12 million (budget:$31
million)
John Travolta's From Paris with Love grosses $17.9 million (budget:$52
million)
Mel Gibson's Edge of Darkness grosses $37 million (budget: $80 million)
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RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Hollywood Extinction: Old Dinosaurs die at Box Office
That statement reminds me of John Woo movies. At one time, his name was box office gold. After a string of hits using the same formula, and many people creating carbon copies, his name became synonymous with B-movies. What's he doing these days, has he had a comeback with a new formula? I never hear of him anymore -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of B Smith Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 9:55 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Hollywood Extinction: Old Dinosaurs die at Box Office The old formula picture doesn't seem to work at the box office unless they throw some new spin on it. From Paris With Love was probably a slam dunk once upon a time but the buddy cop genre seems stale now. I think Kevin Smith's Cop Out is going to suffer the same fate. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Kelwyn ravena...@... wrote: I expected more from Harrison's film because, apparently, he is still a box office draw. I attend a lot of sneak previews (I am going to see Shutter Island, tonight. These are typically oversold. The biggest crowd I have seen this year was for the Ford picture. My date and I arrived an hour early and could not get into the theater. For comparison, the second biggest crowd I have seen for one of these was for Sherlock Holmes (which I also did not get into) and Holmes proved to be a box office success. The Book of Eli was well attended but the theater was not full and Eli has done respectable business. I guess that is the problem with Hollywood: you never know. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ wrote: I think the timing was wrong for all three films. In the case of Ford's film they should have waited for the interviews about the movie to happen before the movie was released. Better still timed it with another medical movie. It doesn't help if the movie is mediocre as well. On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Kelwyn ravenadal@ wrote: Harrison Ford's Extraordinary Measures grosses $12 million (budget:$31 million) John Travolta's From Paris with Love grosses $17.9 million (budget:$52 million) Mel Gibson's Edge of Darkness grosses $37 million (budget: $80 million) Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYa hoo! Groups Links -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYa hoo! Groups Links E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14380 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14380 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/
RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Hollywood Extinction: Old Dinosaurs die at Box Office
Tracey, according to IMDb, he's got a *dozen* movies in development (details available only if you have the Pro version). http://www.imdb.com/name/nm247/ If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 11:00:57 -0800 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Hollywood Extinction: Old Dinosaurs die at Box Office That statement reminds me of John Woo movies. At one time, his name was box office gold. After a string of hits using the same formula, and many people creating carbon copies, his name became synonymous with B-movies. What's he doing these days, has he had a comeback with a new formula? I never hear of him anymore -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of B Smith Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 9:55 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Hollywood Extinction: Old Dinosaurs die at Box Office The old formula picture doesn't seem to work at the box office unless they throw some new spin on it. From Paris With Love was probably a slam dunk once upon a time but the buddy cop genre seems stale now. I think Kevin Smith's Cop Out is going to suffer the same fate. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Kelwyn ravena...@... wrote: I expected more from Harrison's film because, apparently, he is still a box office draw. I attend a lot of sneak previews (I am going to see Shutter Island, tonight. These are typically oversold. The biggest crowd I have seen this year was for the Ford picture. My date and I arrived an hour early and could not get into the theater. For comparison, the second biggest crowd I have seen for one of these was for Sherlock Holmes (which I also did not get into) and Holmes proved to be a box office success. The Book of Eli was well attended but the theater was not full and Eli has done respectable business. I guess that is the problem with Hollywood: you never know. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ wrote: I think the timing was wrong for all three films. In the case of Ford's film they should have waited for the interviews about the movie to happen before the movie was released. Better still timed it with another medical movie. It doesn't help if the movie is mediocre as well. On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Kelwyn ravenadal@ wrote: Harrison Ford's Extraordinary Measures grosses $12 million (budget:$31 million) John Travolta's From Paris with Love grosses $17.9 million (budget:$52 million) Mel Gibson's Edge of Darkness grosses $37 million (budget: $80 million) Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYa hoo! Groups Links -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYa hoo! Groups Links E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14380 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14380 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ _ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469229/direct/01/
RE: [scifinoir2] From Paris With Love
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RE: [scifinoir2] Keith Obermann on Tea Partiers
As there's a Family Guy thread running, seems nly appropriate to quote Peter Griffin here by saying that it was freakin' sweet. I applauded until my hands hurt. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: blackscifihorrorfantasyc...@yahoogroups.com; scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: jazzynupe_...@yahoo.com Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 17:00:51 -0800 Subject: [scifinoir2] Keith Obermann on Tea Partiers From last night. Classic! -- http://www.msnbc. msn.com/id/ 3036677/vp/ 35413662# 35413662 = === 'When you reach the end of your rope ... You will find the hem of His garment' Let your praises to the Lord be the soundtrack of your life. _ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469228/direct/01/
RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Survivors?
But the problem there would be keeping the power moving. Substations outward would need maintenance. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 16:23:53 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Survivors? I can understand power plants like a nuclear plant, but power plants like Hoover dam could run for some time until there are failures of the turbines. On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 11:58 AM, B Smith daikaij...@yahoo.com wrote: Give it an episode or two and everything you guys mentioned will start to be answered. This was an intro episode and they spent more time introducing characters than getting to the nuts and bolts of survival. The survivors we have met so far are by an large urbanites who are pretty clueless about how stuff works. They kept thinking the government would get it's act together and establish some order but that all went down the tubes. I think that actually helped me enjoy the show. In the aftermath of a disaster this size people like Greg would be few and far between. BTW they initially thought that 10% of the population would be immune but it turned out to be less than 1%. England would have about 500,000 people scattered around post virus. The show is set in the Manchester area which has a roughly comparable population to Denver, Cleveland or pre-Katrina New Orleans. So that leaves roughly 25,000 people alive in that area. Someone mentioned going to London and Greg told them it was a bad idea. So as bad as things were where they were it was far better than London. As far as the power issue I was reading up on it and a catastrophic failure of the power grid can happen in less than a day if the plants aren't properly monitored, fueled, etc. If some of the powerplants failed early on it could have a cascading effect and end up taking down the entire grid. Imagine a country full of accidents like gas station explosion and it would make sense why they didn't have power. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@... wrote: Another thing about the show that bugged me was who would allow their families and the rest of the country to die in order to keep a secret for the government or company? On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:44 AM, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@... wrote: Solar panels, windmills and batteries would be the first thing I grab after securing everything else. It would be nice to watch a movie once in a while. Your husband is correct about grabbing books on how to do things. You will definitely need all of that info. On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 11:11 PM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: Electric is going to go too. It they got a diesel they could make fuel from cooking waste and tons of cooking oil let in all the stores. (Treehugger in the house). I like your idea of going to Buckingham palace. I was telling my husband that I would stay in London an look for one of the old mansions that they used to build in the center of town that usually get turned into museums. Buckingham palace will do just fine. What is driving me crazy is that people who see no people are so willing to leave each other when they may not see anyone for ages. I will watch it, but character motivation in this thing sucks. My husband said he would go around to hoard tools as over times they would become scarce. I said I would raid libraries and books stores so I could get a community of people learning critical skills for survival. Medicine, construction, engineering, etc. I also would go after seeds for planting veggies and fruits. What would be the first thing you would go after once you secured the palace J *From:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Mr. Worf *Sent:* Monday, February 15, 2010 10:41 PM *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [scifinoir2] Survivors? Yea that was a bit stupid. I didn't understand why water and power cut off only after 3 days. That made no sense to me at all. Another was no one thought of walking over to the toyota dealer and taking a new prius running on electric power instead of worrying about gas. I can understand that after everyone dying off it would make sense that people would be a little dazed for a while until reality starts to set in. Only the black guy took the time to grab supplies and a good vehicle that can drive off road. If I were them I would go to Buckingham palace. It has tons of animals and veggies. Plus lots of safety zones and large weapons cache. On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 10:03 PM, Tracey de
RE: [scifinoir2] Tom Cruise and J.J. Abrams to shoot MI-4
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RE: [scifinoir2] Stretch Armstrong movie in the works
LMNAO! I accidentally split mine open (stepped on it while getting out of bed one morning), and my mother had a cow before she made me clean up the goop. Lucky that it was on a tile floor and missed the throw rug under my bed. If he got any on the carpet, he didn't sit down for a month, I'll bet. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 16:57:42 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Stretch Armstrong movie in the works Hah! I used to talk about a movie using this character when I was a kid. My cousin actually tore his in two while stretching it after tying it to the stairs and pulling. On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 1:50 PM, Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo.com wrote: http://www.upi.com/Entertainment_News/2009/06/02/Stretch-Armstrong-movie-in-the-works/UPI-69921243999518/ Executives from Universal Pictures and Hasbro Tuesday announced plans to release Stretch Armstrong, a Hollywood movie based on the action figure. The action-adventure film will be the first released under Universal and Hasbro's six-year partnership. It is slated to hit theaters April 15, 2011. Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo! Groups Links http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ Individual Email | Traditional http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/join (Yahoo! ID required) scifinoir2-dig...@yahoogroups.com scifinoir2-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com scifinoir2-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ _ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469227/direct/01/
RE: [scifinoir2] OT: Family Guy Ep on Down Syndrome Child Angers Palen
I'm with you entirely, Keith. And this stands as another example of what the anti-PC atmosphere will always generate. Writers like that won't get the pain that the barb inflicts until they get barbed in like fashion. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 04:36:28 + Subject: [scifinoir2] OT: Family Guy Ep on Down Syndrome Child Angers Palen I have to say I get her being offended/pissed at this one. It is directed straight at her, with the former governor of Alaska comment. If it were me, I'd be ticked. And understand this: I think Palin is an opportunistic, narrow-minded, prejudiced, self-righteous, empty-headed, petty person who tries to manipulate men and women alike with a wink and a smile, meaningless repetitive scripted speeches, and a overdone play as being just a normal American. So no love for Palin from me. I do get, though, how this could steam her. Were it being pointed at my son or daughter, I'd be pissed. But on the other hand, this also slightly reeks of the late Isaac Hayes' hypocrisy for getting pissed at the Southpark guys for lampooning Scientology. All the irreverent, tasteless, cruel, sexist/racist things Southpark had done over the years, Hayes participated in, yet he drew the line at Scientology? Likewise, how often has Palin attacked Family Guy or other programs on behalf of women, people of color, the poor, etc., when such have been portrayed in satire? The lady barely tackles Limbaugh, but up in arms on this? She has a right to be upset, yeah, but spare me the selective righteous outrage from a lady who felt perfectly comfortable calling Obama a terrorist, and using not-too-subtle language that the real America was only to be found among white, rural towns. Go 'way Sarah, please! - Original Message - From: Cinque3000 cinque3...@verizon.net To: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net Cc: tdemorse...@multiculturaladvantage.com, dar...@darylelockhart.com, afrikanm...@hotmail.com, bettil...@msn.com, duva...@hotmail.com, fis...@bellsouth.net, jeffreypbal...@gmail.com, killa...@gmail.com, imke...@gmail.com, seriousnup...@yahoo.com, logic1...@aol.com, truthseeker...@icqmail.com, mmb1...@gmail.com, michael v w gordon michael.v.w.gor...@gmail.com, ravena...@yahoo.com, rs...@yahoo.com, everything...@nyc.rr.com, valeryjea...@yahoo.com, wendellsmit...@gmail.com, sonofafieldne...@sbcglobal.net, williamsf...@speakeasy.net, beta...@yahoo.com, dorothyh...@sbcglobal.net, kalpub...@aol.com, Albert Fields cbilmarket...@yahoo.com Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 11:19:00 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Palin, daughter lash out at 'Family Guy' episode Palin, daughter lash out at 'Family Guy' episode AP – Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin speaks before the NASCAR Daytona 500 auto race at Daytona International … By BECKY BOHRER, Associated Press Writer Becky Bohrer, Associated Press Writer – 2 hrs 8 mins ago JUNEAU, Alaska – Sarah Palin is lashing out at the portrayal of a character with Down syndrome on the Fox animated comedy Family Guy. In a Facebook posting headlined Fox Hollywood — What a Disappointment, the 2008 Republican vice presidential nominee and current Fox News contributor said Sunday night's episode felt like another kick in the gut. Palin's youngest son, Trig, has Down syndrome. The episode features the character Chris falling for a girl with Down syndrome. On a date, he asks what her parents do. She replies: My dad's an accountant, and my mom is the former governor of Alaska. Palin resigned as Alaska governor last summer. Palin's oldest daughter, Bristol, also was quoted on her mother's Facebook page, calling the show's writers heartless jerks. When you're the son or daughter of a public figure, you have to develop thick skin. My siblings and I all have that, but insults directed at our youngest brother hurt too much for us to remain silent, she is quoted as saying. If the writers of a particularly pathetic cartoon show thought they were being clever in mocking my brother and my family yesterday, they failed, Bristol Palin added in the Monday posting. All they proved is that they're heartless jerks. Palin wrote that she'd asked her daughter what she thought of the show and Bristol's reply was a much more restrained and gracious statement than I want to make about an issue that begs the question: When is enough enough? This isn't the first time Palin has spoken out over an attack, real or perceived, on her family. Last year, she condemned a joke David Letterman made about her daughter, for which he later apologized. A Family Guy publicist didn't immediately return an e-mail seeking comment.
RE: [scifinoir2] FACTS AND A LITTLE HUMOR
This and many other anecdotes will be in my autobiography, available the day after I'm laid to rest. (There are bound to be some angry people in the aftermath of publication. ) If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: jazzynupe_...@yahoo.com Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 16:49:15 -0800 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] FACTS AND A LITTLE HUMOR Martin, I bet you can! --- On Tue, 2/16/10, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com wrote: From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] FACTS AND A LITTLE HUMOR To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, February 16, 2010, 3:26 PM Fate, I can provide a list of my exes who would agree with the tongue trivia. Martin (only telling the truth, folks. ;-) ) Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now. _ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469229/direct/01/
RE: [scifinoir2] Batman Helmer Mentors Superman Franchise
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Re: [scifinoir2] Celebrity chef Beppe Bigazzi upsets viewers with his cat casserole
There's a couple of modified soul food places and that is it. It has been a problem here for a long time. The first to go were the bbq places, followed quickly by the soul food restaurants. Most of the restaurants were ran by people that lacked time management and restaurant management skills so you could easily go in and end up waiting nearly an hour for an order. I guess people got tired of that. The restaurants that replaced the old ones were hybrid restaurants that offered food that catered to white people. So for example, instead of greens you got a dill salad or some other concoction. The rest try to make it into a $20+ a plate dinner and $15 for a small gumbo. On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 6:48 AM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote: No soul food? With Oakland right there? Dude that's sad! - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 1:55:46 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Celebrity chef Beppe Bigazzi upsets viewers with his cat casserole Almost all of the soul food restaurants in a 50 mile radius are gone. You can't even find good bbq here anymore. The $1000 restaurant is a special foody event that is cooked by a maverick chef. My father still cooks chitterlings (or chitlin's) and other stinky fair. :) And yes, you can get a tripe burrito (and all of the other parts) here as well. They show the maverick chef on the travel channel and on the food channel once in a while. I think he is famous for making poprock ice cream as a desert. On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 10:47 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Dude, a thousand bucks for entrails, brains, and the like? Are you kidding? I've had friends, neighbors and relatives all my life who've eaten stuff like that, be it country white and black folk, or frankly, the Mexicans in Texas and here in Atlanta. I can get you tripe or brain tacos at a Mexican joint here in Atlanta lickety-split. When I was in junior high back in the '70s, I can home one day to find the whole head of a slaughtered hog sitting on the kitchen table! I asked my mom what in the world was up. She said, Boy, your daddy got a taste for hogshead cheese! I find it odd that the events there are considered special. In Atlanta, at least, there's been a return to eating more real meat for a few years now. There are lots of top-rated restaurants where entrails and the like are eaten, and it's not considered so much a special deal as a return to the parts we eat up until the '70s. And frankly, you can eat those animal parts and still be relatively healthy, as the chefs who are reviving that cooking point out that Europeans eat like this, and are still healthier than Americans. I'd have thought that cooking would have hit San Fran as well by now, and much cheaper... - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 1:08:48 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Celebrity chef Beppe Bigazzi upsets viewers with his cat casserole I agree. On top of that, the guy may be right. It may be delicious but unless you go to China you'll never know. There is a special one night only party here in San Francisco where the host will cook parts of animals that are normally not eaten by folks such as mountain oysters or the brain. People pay up to $1000 to eat stuff that is eaten by black folks and southerners everyday. Does anyone stick up for alligators? They made shoes, luggage, and sausages out of them for years (still do) and they taste just like chicken. On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 9:32 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: I always get a chuckle out of stuff like this. Did this dude ever cook cow, chicken, duck, or pig? All are living animals that want to live. Pigs are actually smarter than cats or dogs, but no one cries out that they have rights. Why aren't animal rights groups upset over that? People seem to forget that if it walks, flies, crawls, or swims, there are societies where it will be eaten. Note how some in India won't eat cows, but in America it's practically our national food. I personally find the concept of people slurping down slimy mollusks revolting, but that's their preference. Frankly, I feel that the only people who could ever have anything approaching a right to criticize anyone's choice of eating a particular animal are pure vegans who don't eat, wear, or utilize anything that comes from an animal. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 11:48:51 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Celebrity chef Beppe Bigazzi upsets viewers with his cat casserole Celebrity chef Beppe Bigazzi upsets viewers with his cat casserole
RE: [scifinoir2] Survivors?
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RE: [scifinoir2] Celebrity chef Beppe Bigazzi upsets viewers with his cat casserole
I entirely understand that there are cultural differences planet-wide, and that such dishes may actually be in acceptance in a few places. That said, if I'd been in the room when he trotted that out, that little smirk on his face would've been down around his knees. And then I'd call about twenty friends who are cat-lovers and point him out. _ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469227/direct/01/attachment: image001.jpg
RE: [scifinoir2] Cave in Mexico has World's Largest Crystals
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RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Hollywood Extinction: Old Dinosaurs die at Box Office
I know he works but I never see his stuff in the Block buster track anymore. In fact, I think a lot of his stuff is direct to DVD. Kind of like Wesley Snipes up until recently From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 12:13 PM To: SciFiNoir2 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Hollywood Extinction: Old Dinosaurs die at Box Office Tracey, according to IMDb, he's got a *dozen* movies in development (details available only if you have the Pro version). http://www.imdb.com/name/nm247/ If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik _ To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 11:00:57 -0800 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Hollywood Extinction: Old Dinosaurs die at Box Office That statement reminds me of John Woo movies. At one time, his name was box office gold. After a string of hits using the same formula, and many people creating carbon copies, his name became synonymous with B-movies. What's he doing these days, has he had a comeback with a new formula? I never hear of him anymore -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of B Smith Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 9:55 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Hollywood Extinction: Old Dinosaurs die at Box Office The old formula picture doesn't seem to work at the box office unless they throw some new spin on it. From Paris With Love was probably a slam dunk once upon a time but the buddy cop genre seems stale now. I think Kevin Smith's Cop Out is going to suffer the same fate. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Kelwyn ravena...@... wrote: I expected more from Harrison's film because, apparently, he is still a box office draw. I attend a lot of sneak previews (I am going to see Shutter Island, tonight. These are typically oversold. The biggest crowd I have seen this year was for the Ford picture. My date and I arrived an hour early and could not get into the theater. For comparison, the second biggest crowd I have seen for one of these was for Sherlock Holmes (which I also did not get into) and Holmes proved to be a box office success. The Book of Eli was well attended but the theater was not full and Eli has done respectable business. I guess that is the problem with Hollywood: you never know. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ wrote: I think the timing was wrong for all three films. In the case of Ford's film they should have waited for the interviews about the movie to happen before the movie was released. Better still timed it with another medical movie. It doesn't help if the movie is mediocre as well. On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Kelwyn ravenadal@ wrote: Harrison Ford's Extraordinary Measures grosses $12 million (budget:$31 million) John Travolta's From Paris with Love grosses $17.9 million (budget:$52 million) Mel Gibson's Edge of Darkness grosses $37 million (budget: $80 million) Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYa hoo! Groups Links -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYa hoo! Groups Links E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14380 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14380 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ _ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. Sign up http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469229/direct/01/ now. E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14380 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14380 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/
Re: [scifinoir2] Stretch Armstrong movie in the works
I don't remember if he got into trouble or not over it. He was one of those kids that was overly rough with his toys. I wanted to keep my toys to give to my son. Of course my toys and comics (all golden age!) didn't make it to my teens for various reasons. I think I told that sad story before. On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 12:35 PM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.comwrote: LMNAO! I accidentally split mine open (stepped on it while getting out of bed one morning), and my mother had a cow before she made me clean up the goop. Lucky that it was on a tile floor and missed the throw rug under my bed. If he got any on the carpet, he didn't sit down for a month, I'll bet. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik -- To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 16:57:42 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Stretch Armstrong movie in the works Hah! I used to talk about a movie using this character when I was a kid. My cousin actually tore his in two while stretching it after tying it to the stairs and pulling. On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 1:50 PM, Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo.com wrote: http://www.upi.com/Entertainment_News/2009/06/02/Stretch-Armstrong-movie-in-the-works/UPI-69921243999518/ Executives from Universal Pictures and Hasbro Tuesday announced plans to release Stretch Armstrong, a Hollywood movie based on the action figure. The action-adventure film will be the first released under Universal and Hasbro's six-year partnership. It is slated to hit theaters April 15, 2011. Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo! Groups Links (Yahoo! ID required) -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ -- Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now.http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469227/direct/01/ -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
Re: [scifinoir2] From Paris With Love
Kool beans! Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 15:19:59 To: SciFiNoir2scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] From Paris With Love As I finally have my car back, seeing it has become a greater possibility. _ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469228/direct/01/
Re: [scifinoir2] Celebrity chef Beppe Bigazzi upsets viewers with his cat casserole
Hmmm I wonder what would have happened if they ate cat and didn't find out until later? People in France (and here) eat horse meat. I think that people look down at Asian people as being slightly less human because they eat what we would call pets. On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 12:38 PM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.comwrote: I entirely understand that there are cultural differences planet-wide, and that such dishes may actually be in acceptance in a few places. That said, if I'd been in the room when he trotted that out, that little smirk on his face would've been down around his knees. And then I'd call about twenty friends who are cat-lovers and point him out. -- Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now.http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469227/direct/01/ -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
[scifinoir2] Re: Hollywood Extinction: Old Dinosaurs die at Box Office
Although he was great at it (Face Off), John Woo was not a fan of the formulaic movies he was making. After MI-2, he thought he had the cachet to make the kind of movie he wanted. He made Windtalkers (2002) a well-intentioned movie starring Nicholas Cage that took in $77 million worldwide ($40 million in America) on a budget of $115 million. Windtalkers is his Heaven's Gate. This is why I don't write that urban lit shit even though I know I can get it published - I don't want to HAVE to write it. It is hard to get out of any ghetto. Walter Mosley wants to write SF but he wrote the Easy Rawlins' novels to get published. Now he is pigeon-holed as a detective fiction writer. It ain't terrible; but it ain't good, either. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: That statement reminds me of John Woo movies. At one time, his name was box office gold. After a string of hits using the same formula, and many people creating carbon copies, his name became synonymous with B-movies. What's he doing these days, has he had a comeback with a new formula? I never hear of him anymore -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of B Smith Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 9:55 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Hollywood Extinction: Old Dinosaurs die at Box Office The old formula picture doesn't seem to work at the box office unless they throw some new spin on it. From Paris With Love was probably a slam dunk once upon a time but the buddy cop genre seems stale now. I think Kevin Smith's Cop Out is going to suffer the same fate. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Kelwyn ravenadal@ wrote: I expected more from Harrison's film because, apparently, he is still a box office draw. I attend a lot of sneak previews (I am going to see Shutter Island, tonight. These are typically oversold. The biggest crowd I have seen this year was for the Ford picture. My date and I arrived an hour early and could not get into the theater. For comparison, the second biggest crowd I have seen for one of these was for Sherlock Holmes (which I also did not get into) and Holmes proved to be a box office success. The Book of Eli was well attended but the theater was not full and Eli has done respectable business. I guess that is the problem with Hollywood: you never know. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ wrote: I think the timing was wrong for all three films. In the case of Ford's film they should have waited for the interviews about the movie to happen before the movie was released. Better still timed it with another medical movie. It doesn't help if the movie is mediocre as well. On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Kelwyn ravenadal@ wrote: Harrison Ford's Extraordinary Measures grosses $12 million (budget:$31 million) John Travolta's From Paris with Love grosses $17.9 million (budget:$52 million) Mel Gibson's Edge of Darkness grosses $37 million (budget: $80 million) Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYa hoo! Groups Links -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYa hoo! Groups Links E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14380 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14380 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/
[scifinoir2] Disney-Pixar has 250 games, figures ready for Toy Story 3
http://herouh.notlong.com Disney-Pixar won't get caught with its action figure pants down again, announcing the creation of 250 toys and games tied to Toy Story 3. The company's chief creative officer John Lasseter announced the line Sunday at the opening of Toy Fair in New York.
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Hollywood Extinction: Old Dinosaurs die at Box Office
Some movies are too hard to sum up in a 30 second trailer. They just don't have the catch phrases to use that way. I think that this is a good time for new blood in hollywood, but I also think that the industry as a whole has become so bogged down in antiquated thinking that they will never change unless the studios start going under. I think Sherlock Holmes did well because it is so old that it is new again. The last Sherlock movie was done in the late 70s or 80s. (not counting the PBS series) What I hope doesn't happen is that studios will start digging up old scripts of other detectives or something similar. On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 10:50 AM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote: I keep having this chicken or the egg dialog on this. Are studios having to market a certain way to get audiences, or do audiences respond to certain movies because studios are increasingly marketing a certain way? The movie Brothers is a good example. That's the flick with Jake Gyllenhaal and Tobey Maguire. By all accounts, it's a good character study of a family in turmoil after supposedly dead soldier comes home, bringing his demons with him. I've heard lots of praise for all the actors. But all the trailers played up the action part. All i kept seeing in the trailers was Gyllenhaal and Natalie Portman's forbidden kiss, and scenes of Maguire acting like a lunatic, breaking glasses, standing around waving a gun, crazed. The movie's so much more than that, but you wouldn't know it from those trailers. - Original Message - From: B Smith daikaij...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 12:55:20 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Hollywood Extinction: Old Dinosaurs die at Box Office The reaction to the trailer for the Harrison Ford movie spoke volumes. It played to dead silence. Edge of Darkness was marketed like Taken 2 but from what I've heard it wasn't a pleasant viewing experience. The old formula picture doesn't seem to work at the box office unless they throw some new spin on it. From Paris With Love was probably a slam dunk once upon a time but the buddy cop genre seems stale now. I think Kevin Smith's Cop Out is going to suffer the same fate. Edgar Wright's Hot Fuzz lampooned the genre but replicated the genre tropes so well and with so much love it was a joy to watch. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com, Kelwyn ravena...@... wrote: I expected more from Harrison's film because, apparently, he is still a box office draw. I attend a lot of sneak previews (I am going to see Shutter Island, tonight. These are typically oversold. The biggest crowd I have seen this year was for the Ford picture. My date and I arrived an hour early and could not get into the theater. For comparison, the second biggest crowd I have seen for one of these was for Sherlock Holmes (which I also did not get into) and Holmes proved to be a box office success. The Book of Eli was well attended but the theater was not full and Eli has done respectable business. I guess that is the problem with Hollywood: you never know. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com, Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ wrote: I think the timing was wrong for all three films. In the case of Ford's film they should have waited for the interviews about the movie to happen before the movie was released. Better still timed it with another medical movie. It doesn't help if the movie is mediocre as well. On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Kelwyn ravenadal@ wrote: Harrison Ford's Extraordinary Measures grosses $12 million (budget:$31 million) John Travolta's From Paris with Love grosses $17.9 million (budget:$52 million) Mel Gibson's Edge of Darkness grosses $37 million (budget: $80 million) Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo ! Groups Links -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
[scifinoir2] Shocking photo of Roger Ebert
In a candid Esquire magazine interview, film critic and Hollywood icon Roger Ebert says there's no need to pity him, eight years after a thyroid cancer diagnosis, followed by surgeries that robbed him of speech and warped his face into a permanent smile. http://blogs.tampabay.com/.a/6a00d83451b05569e20120a8ad2114970b-pi http://blogs.tampabay.com/movies/
Re: [scifinoir2] Cave in Mexico has World's Largest Crystals
Maybe after 2012 it will move to where the north pole is now? Of course that would mean that Superboy is on his way here now. On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.comwrote: Indeed. When did he set up the southern office? :-) -- Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469226/direct/01/ -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
[scifinoir2] Concept van Nissan NV200 ( 9 Pics )
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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Survivors?
They have 16 nuclear plants in the UK. Unless they shut them down the reality is that anyone that is left would find out what multiple meltdowns would look like. On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 10:03 AM, B Smith daikaij...@yahoo.com wrote: Some of the plants would continue to operate for a while but if the grids go down it's a moot point. Also the bulk of their plants or coal and natural gas powered. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@... wrote: I can understand power plants like a nuclear plant, but power plants like Hoover dam could run for some time until there are failures of the turbines. On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 11:58 AM, B Smith daikaij...@... wrote: Give it an episode or two and everything you guys mentioned will start to be answered. This was an intro episode and they spent more time introducing characters than getting to the nuts and bolts of survival. The survivors we have met so far are by an large urbanites who are pretty clueless about how stuff works. They kept thinking the government would get it's act together and establish some order but that all went down the tubes. I think that actually helped me enjoy the show. In the aftermath of a disaster this size people like Greg would be few and far between. BTW they initially thought that 10% of the population would be immune but it turned out to be less than 1%. England would have about 500,000 people scattered around post virus. The show is set in the Manchester area which has a roughly comparable population to Denver, Cleveland or pre-Katrina New Orleans. So that leaves roughly 25,000 people alive in that area. Someone mentioned going to London and Greg told them it was a bad idea. So as bad as things were where they were it was far better than London. As far as the power issue I was reading up on it and a catastrophic failure of the power grid can happen in less than a day if the plants aren't properly monitored, fueled, etc. If some of the powerplants failed early on it could have a cascading effect and end up taking down the entire grid. Imagine a country full of accidents like gas station explosion and it would make sense why they didn't have power. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ wrote: Another thing about the show that bugged me was who would allow their families and the rest of the country to die in order to keep a secret for the government or company? On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:44 AM, Mr. Worf hellomahogany@ wrote: Solar panels, windmills and batteries would be the first thing I grab after securing everything else. It would be nice to watch a movie once in a while. Your husband is correct about grabbing books on how to do things. You will definitely need all of that info. On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 11:11 PM, Tracey de Morsella tdlists@ wrote: Electric is going to go too. It they got a diesel they could make fuel from cooking waste and tons of cooking oil let in all the stores. (Treehugger in the house). I like your idea of going to Buckingham palace. I was telling my husband that I would stay in London an look for one of the old mansions that they used to build in the center of town that usually get turned into museums. Buckingham palace will do just fine. What is driving me crazy is that people who see no people are so willing to leave each other when they may not see anyone for ages. I will watch it, but character motivation in this thing sucks. My husband said he would go around to hoard tools as over times they would become scarce. I said I would raid libraries and books stores so I could get a community of people learning critical skills for survival. Medicine, construction, engineering, etc. I also would go after seeds for planting veggies and fruits. What would be the first thing you would go after once you secured the palace J *From:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifino...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Mr. Worf *Sent:* Monday, February 15, 2010 10:41 PM *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [scifinoir2] Survivors? Yea that was a bit stupid. I didn't understand why water and power cut off only after 3 days. That made no sense to me at all. Another was no one thought of walking over to the toyota dealer and taking a new prius running on electric power instead of worrying about gas. I can understand that after everyone dying off it would make sense that people would be a little dazed for a while until reality starts to set in. Only the black guy took the time to grab
RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Survivors?
That's why seeds was on my list after books -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of B Smith Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 2:43 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Survivors? We'd have to make sure we'd have enough self pollinating non-genetically modified varieties of plants to make 2nd generation agriculture effective. All these wonderful GMO crops don't breed true and yields plummet by design. If you didn't have heirloom seed lines it could be a huge problem in the future. I'll stop now. LOL --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: Well you took Buckingham Palace first thing and you love books, so you know you are on team Scifi! From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 1:21 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Survivors? I can also shoot a gun, and fish too. :) On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 1:13 AM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: I want you on my team!!! :-) -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of B Smith Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 2:53 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Survivors? we have a pretty good cross section of folks that post. I think we might be lacking a few skillsets but with books and hard work we could make a go. I'm pretty well versed in agriculture and could handle the basics of growing food, animal based agriculture and have even milked a cow or three. I've slaughtered and procesed my own meat so that wouldn't scare me. I know which end of the hammer to swing and could be semi-handy if pressed into service. I also know my way around a lab setting pretty darn well so manufacturing biodiesel and the like would be up my alley as well. Unfortunately I've gotten lazy and haven't used my more physical skillsets for a while. I guess i'd have to come out of retirement. Any pilots on the list? How about some mechanically inclined people? Medical professionals? Anyone know how to set up an off the grid solar or wind power system? --- In scifino...@... mailto:scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Tracey de Morsella tdlists@ wrote: I hate reality tv, but maybe this would be good. How do you think we would do as a survivor group? -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of B Smith Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 2:23 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Survivors? I liked The Colony but they were too competent. Their group had engineers, a couple of scientists, a mechanic, a doctor, a nurse and two handymen. The only deadweight they had was a personal trainer/martial arts instructor who happened to be a hard worker. It's still pretty fun to watch. When they had to interact with other survivors made for good tv. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella tdlists@ wrote: You make a good defense. And as I said, despite ALLL :-) my pet peeves, I have not given up on it. Even quietly, the characters are poorly motivated. Some of my favorite shows had mediocre starts, so I will get off my they're running around with their heads cut off' meme. :-). Also I recognize that I have a different profile than the average person. I'm a natural planner, I believe we are in the midst of peak oil, I'm a professional treehugger, and I hang around a lot of scientist and techies. . So, while I know, I would be loosing my mind (likely curled up into a ball moaning incoherently), it would not be in my nature to drive aimlessly away from my base without a plan. I will look for the colony. Is it any good? I think we would kick as a group, but would supper from serious tech gadget withdrawal. Before the Internet, I hoarded books and lived in the library. Thus my inclination to raid books and libraries as I mentioned before -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of B Smith Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 1:45 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Survivors? I haven't seen the original either. I've seen the first three episodes and the crew starts to wise up pretty quickly. I think Martin hit the nail on the head that seeing 99% of humanity die would throw most folks into a deep depression. The doctor seems shell shocked but I imagine she's been on the frontlines since the beginning and by the time we meet them she's probably seen enough death to break even the toughest person. Survivors is firmly in the British Quiet Apocolypse genre. They play very
[scifinoir2] Re: Celebrity chef Beppe Bigazzi upsets viewers with his cat casserole
Food is a funny thing. My significant other told me today that she was having hogshead cheese for lunch. Do any of you know what hogshead cheese is? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head_cheese). Further, she told me how her mother used to scramble cow's brains in her eggs. And don't get me started on eggs (chicken embryos? really?). ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@... wrote:  Celebrity chef Beppe Bigazzi upsets viewers with his cat casserole Richard Owen in Rome �43 Commentshttp://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/food_and_drink/article7029058.ece#comment-have-your-say http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/food_and_drink/article7029058.ece#none [image: Beppe Bigazzi] Beppe Bigazzi says cat is better than chicken http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/food_and_drink/xxx A top Italian food writer has been suspended indefinitely from the country�s version of the television programme Ready Steady Cook for recommending stewed cat to viewers as a �succulent dish�. RAI, the public broadcasting network, said that it had dropped Beppe Bigazzi, 77, for offering the recipe on La Prova del Cuoco, which is broadcast at midday on the main channel. Its switchboard was inundated with complaints from viewers and animal rights groups. Bigazzi said that casserole of cat was a famous dish in his home region of Valdarno, Tuscany. �I�ve eaten it myself and it�s a lot better than many other animals,� he told viewers. �Better than chicken, rabbit or pigeon.� He said that for optimum flavour the meat should be �soaked in spring water for three days� before being stewed. Elisa Isoardi, the programme�s presenter � who has a cat called Othello � tried to steer Bigazzi off the subject. Reports said that during the commercial break she and the show�s producers tried to persuade him to apologise to viewers but he refused. Related Links �ITV fined for butchery of I�m a Celebrity rat http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/tv_and_radio/article7020369.ece �Cats and dogs to be taken off menu in China http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article7003032.ece Carla Rocchi, the head of ENPA, the Italian society for the protection of animals, said that killing cats was illegal. Francesca Martini, the Deputy Health Minister, said it was �absolutely unheard of for a public service broadcaster to tell people how delicious cats are to eat�. She called for the producers to be investigated for criminal offences involving incitement to mistreat animals. Bigazzi, a consumer affairs journalist and author of Cooking with Common Sense, has been one of the stars of La Prova del Cuoco for the past ten years. He is noted for his exuberant style and previously caused uproar by boiling lobsters live on the show. Yesterday he said that he had only been joking about the recipe, and he had been misunderstood. He added: �Mind you, I wasn�t joking all that much. In the 1930s and 1940s, when I was a boy, people certainly did eat cat in the countryside around Arezzo.� Food historians said that Italians in cities such as Vicenza devised cat recipes in times of economic hardship. Inhabitants of Vicenza are still nicknamed magnagati (cat eaters), and in some butchers� shops rabbits are sold with their heads to assure buyers that they are not cats. *From pet to pot* � In his 1529 treatise on cookery, Ruperto de Nola recommended spit-roasting cat basted with garlic and olive oil. He wrote: �Take the garlic with oil mixed with good broth so that it is coarse, and pour it over the cat and you can eat it for it is a good dish� � The Spanish expression pasar gato por liebre derives from the practice of hunters trying to sell skinned cats as hares. When butchered, the animals are supposed to look almost identical � In 2007 Australians at a cooking contest in Alice Springs sought to curb the feral cat population by using them in a dish. One judge found the cat casserole so tough that she had to spit it out � Last month legal experts in China responded to pressure from the country�s middle class and proposed a ban on eating cat and dog meat. Both are traditional Chinese dishes but if the law is passed people caught eating cats could face 15 days in prison Sources: agencies, florilegium.org, statemaster.com http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/food_and_drink/article7029058.ece -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
Re: [scifinoir2] Celebrity chef Beppe Bigazzi upsets viewers with his cat casserole
They do, actually. And it's why people like me go vegan. I don't see why I would eat a cow anymore than I would eat a cat or a dog. :( ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of the Dark Moon series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#darkmoon Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath The future of psychic sex - Dawn of the Seraphs (m/m): http://www.adriannebrennan.com/dawnoftheseraphs.html On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 12:32 AM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote: I always get a chuckle out of stuff like this. Did this dude ever cook cow, chicken, duck, or pig? All are living animals that want to live. Pigs are actually smarter than cats or dogs, but no one cries out that they have rights. Why aren't animal rights groups upset over that? People seem to forget that if it walks, flies, crawls, or swims, there are societies where it will be eaten. Note how some in India won't eat cows, but in America it's practically our national food. I personally find the concept of people slurping down slimy mollusks revolting, but that's their preference. Frankly, I feel that the only people who could ever have anything approaching a right to criticize anyone's choice of eating a particular animal are pure vegans who don't eat, wear, or utilize anything that comes from an animal. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 11:48:51 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Celebrity chef Beppe Bigazzi upsets viewers with his cat casserole Celebrity chef Beppe Bigazzi upsets viewers with his cat casserole Richard Owen in Rome �43 Commentshttp://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/food_and_drink/article7029058.ece#comment-have-your-say http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/food_and_drink/article7029058.ece#none [image: Beppe Bigazzi] Beppe Bigazzi says cat is better than chicken http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/food_and_drink/xxx A top Italian food writer has been suspended indefinitely from the country�s version of the television programme Ready Steady Cook for recommending stewed cat to viewers as a �succulent dish�. RAI, the public broadcasting network, said that it had dropped Beppe Bigazzi, 77, for offering the recipe on La Prova del Cuoco, which is broadcast at midday on the main channel. Its switchboard was inundated with complaints from viewers and animal rights groups. Bigazzi said that casserole of cat was a famous dish in his home region of Valdarno, Tuscany. �I�ve eaten it myself and it�s a lot better than many other animals,� he told viewers. �Better than chicken, rabbit or pigeon.� He said that for optimum flavour the meat should be �soaked in spring water for three days� before being stewed. Elisa Isoardi, the programme�s presenter � who has a cat called Othello � tried to steer Bigazzi off the subject. Reports said that during the commercial break she and the show�s producers tried to persuade him to apologise to viewers but he refused. Related Links �ITV fined for butchery of I�m a Celebrity rat http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/tv_and_radio/article7020369.ece �Cats and dogs to be taken off menu in China http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article7003032.ece Carla Rocchi, the head of ENPA, the Italian society for the protection of animals, said that killing cats was illegal. Francesca Martini, the Deputy Health Minister, said it was �absolutely unheard of for a public service broadcaster to tell people how delicious cats are to eat�. She called for the producers to be investigated for criminal offences involving incitement to mistreat animals. Bigazzi, a consumer affairs journalist and author of Cooking with Common Sense, has been one of the stars of La Prova del Cuoco for the past ten years. He is noted for his exuberant style and previously caused uproar by boiling lobsters live on the show. Yesterday he said that he had only been joking about the recipe, and he had been misunderstood. He added: �Mind you, I wasn�t joking all that much. In the 1930s and 1940s, when I was a boy, people certainly did eat cat in the countryside around Arezzo.� Food historians said that Italians in cities such as Vicenza devised cat recipes in times of economic hardship. Inhabitants of Vicenza are still nicknamed magnagati (cat eaters), and in some butchers� shops rabbits are sold with their heads to assure buyers that they are not cats. *From pet to pot* � In his 1529 treatise on cookery, Ruperto de Nola recommended spit-roasting cat basted with garlic and olive oil. He wrote: �Take the garlic with oil mixed with good broth so that it is coarse, and pour it over the cat and you can eat it for it is a good dish� �
Re: [scifinoir2] Celebrity chef Beppe Bigazzi upsets viewers with his cat casserole
Honestly? This. And I thank you for it. I see people getting all riled up over things such as animal sacrifice in certain religions, for instance, where an animal is killed quickly and humanely and then eaten. Yet these same people will chow down at Micky D's where a cow was tortured to produce their cheeseburger. ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of the Dark Moon series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#darkmoon Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath The future of psychic sex - Dawn of the Seraphs (m/m): http://www.adriannebrennan.com/dawnoftheseraphs.html On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 12:32 AM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote: Frankly, I feel that the only people who could ever have anything approaching a right to criticize anyone's choice of eating a particular animal are pure vegans who don't eat, wear, or utilize anything that comes from an animal.
Re: [scifinoir2] Shocking photo of Roger Ebert
Wow... On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 2:46 PM, Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo.com wrote: In a candid Esquire magazine interview, film critic and Hollywood icon Roger Ebert says there's no need to pity him, eight years after a thyroid cancer diagnosis, followed by surgeries that robbed him of speech and warped his face into a permanent smile. http://blogs.tampabay.com/.a/6a00d83451b05569e20120a8ad2114970b-pi http://blogs.tampabay.com/movies/ Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo! Groups Links -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
[scifinoir2] Re: Hollywood Extinction: Old Dinosaurs die at Box Office
If Windtalkers was Woo's Heaven's Gate was Paycheck his Year of the Dragon, The Sicilian or Desparate Hours? LOL Woo went back to Hog Kong and just had a big comeback. His epic film Red Cliff did great worldwide box office. I think he and most HK directors didn't mesh well with the American studio style. Also HK melodrama mixed in with awesome action just doesn't play the same way in English. ;) Supposedly he is doing some more American films in the near future. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Kelwyn ravena...@... wrote: Although he was great at it (Face Off), John Woo was not a fan of the formulaic movies he was making. After MI-2, he thought he had the cachet to make the kind of movie he wanted. He made Windtalkers (2002) a well-intentioned movie starring Nicholas Cage that took in $77 million worldwide ($40 million in America) on a budget of $115 million. Windtalkers is his Heaven's Gate. This is why I don't write that urban lit shit even though I know I can get it published - I don't want to HAVE to write it. It is hard to get out of any ghetto. Walter Mosley wants to write SF but he wrote the Easy Rawlins' novels to get published. Now he is pigeon-holed as a detective fiction writer. It ain't terrible; but it ain't good, either. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella tdlists@ wrote: That statement reminds me of John Woo movies. At one time, his name was box office gold. After a string of hits using the same formula, and many people creating carbon copies, his name became synonymous with B-movies. What's he doing these days, has he had a comeback with a new formula? I never hear of him anymore -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of B Smith Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 9:55 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Hollywood Extinction: Old Dinosaurs die at Box Office The old formula picture doesn't seem to work at the box office unless they throw some new spin on it. From Paris With Love was probably a slam dunk once upon a time but the buddy cop genre seems stale now. I think Kevin Smith's Cop Out is going to suffer the same fate. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Kelwyn ravenadal@ wrote: I expected more from Harrison's film because, apparently, he is still a box office draw. I attend a lot of sneak previews (I am going to see Shutter Island, tonight. These are typically oversold. The biggest crowd I have seen this year was for the Ford picture. My date and I arrived an hour early and could not get into the theater. For comparison, the second biggest crowd I have seen for one of these was for Sherlock Holmes (which I also did not get into) and Holmes proved to be a box office success. The Book of Eli was well attended but the theater was not full and Eli has done respectable business. I guess that is the problem with Hollywood: you never know. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ wrote: I think the timing was wrong for all three films. In the case of Ford's film they should have waited for the interviews about the movie to happen before the movie was released. Better still timed it with another medical movie. It doesn't help if the movie is mediocre as well. On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Kelwyn ravenadal@ wrote: Harrison Ford's Extraordinary Measures grosses $12 million (budget:$31 million) John Travolta's From Paris with Love grosses $17.9 million (budget:$52 million) Mel Gibson's Edge of Darkness grosses $37 million (budget: $80 million) Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYa hoo! Groups Links -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYa hoo! Groups Links E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14380 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14380 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/
Re: [scifinoir2] Shocking photo of Roger Ebert
Both shocking and extremely sad. :( ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of the Dark Moon series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#darkmoon Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath The future of psychic sex - Dawn of the Seraphs (m/m): http://www.adriannebrennan.com/dawnoftheseraphs.html On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 5:55 PM, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com wrote: Wow... On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 2:46 PM, Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo.com wrote: In a candid Esquire magazine interview, film critic and Hollywood icon Roger Ebert says there's no need to pity him, eight years after a thyroid cancer diagnosis, followed by surgeries that robbed him of speech and warped his face into a permanent smile. http://blogs.tampabay.com/.a/6a00d83451b05569e20120a8ad2114970b-pi http://blogs.tampabay.com/movies/ Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo! Groups Links -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Hollywood Extinction: Old Dinosaurs die at Box Office
That's good to know about Woo. I never saw it , but I heard good things about Windtalkers. I think I saw a Moseley work in a scifi anthology recently -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kelwyn Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 2:33 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Hollywood Extinction: Old Dinosaurs die at Box Office Although he was great at it (Face Off), John Woo was not a fan of the formulaic movies he was making. After MI-2, he thought he had the cachet to make the kind of movie he wanted. He made Windtalkers (2002) a well-intentioned movie starring Nicholas Cage that took in $77 million worldwide ($40 million in America) on a budget of $115 million. Windtalkers is his Heaven's Gate. This is why I don't write that urban lit shit even though I know I can get it published - I don't want to HAVE to write it. It is hard to get out of any ghetto. Walter Mosley wants to write SF but he wrote the Easy Rawlins' novels to get published. Now he is pigeon-holed as a detective fiction writer. It ain't terrible; but it ain't good, either. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: That statement reminds me of John Woo movies. At one time, his name was box office gold. After a string of hits using the same formula, and many people creating carbon copies, his name became synonymous with B-movies. What's he doing these days, has he had a comeback with a new formula? I never hear of him anymore -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of B Smith Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 9:55 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Hollywood Extinction: Old Dinosaurs die at Box Office The old formula picture doesn't seem to work at the box office unless they throw some new spin on it. From Paris With Love was probably a slam dunk once upon a time but the buddy cop genre seems stale now. I think Kevin Smith's Cop Out is going to suffer the same fate. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Kelwyn ravenadal@ wrote: I expected more from Harrison's film because, apparently, he is still a box office draw. I attend a lot of sneak previews (I am going to see Shutter Island, tonight. These are typically oversold. The biggest crowd I have seen this year was for the Ford picture. My date and I arrived an hour early and could not get into the theater. For comparison, the second biggest crowd I have seen for one of these was for Sherlock Holmes (which I also did not get into) and Holmes proved to be a box office success. The Book of Eli was well attended but the theater was not full and Eli has done respectable business. I guess that is the problem with Hollywood: you never know. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ wrote: I think the timing was wrong for all three films. In the case of Ford's film they should have waited for the interviews about the movie to happen before the movie was released. Better still timed it with another medical movie. It doesn't help if the movie is mediocre as well. On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Kelwyn ravenadal@ wrote: Harrison Ford's Extraordinary Measures grosses $12 million (budget:$31 million) John Travolta's From Paris with Love grosses $17.9 million (budget:$52 million) Mel Gibson's Edge of Darkness grosses $37 million (budget: $80 million) Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYa hoo! Groups Links -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYa hoo! Groups Links E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14380 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14380 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYa hoo! Groups Links E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14380 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14380 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/
RE: [scifinoir2] Shocking photo of Roger Ebert
Thanks for the heads up From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 2:55 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Shocking photo of Roger Ebert Wow... On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 2:46 PM, Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo.com wrote: In a candid Esquire magazine interview, film critic and Hollywood icon Roger Ebert says there's no need to pity him, eight years after a thyroid cancer diagnosis, followed by surgeries that robbed him of speech and warped his face into a permanent smile. http://blogs.tampabay.com/.a/6a00d83451b05569e20120a8ad2114970b-pi http://blogs.tampabay.com/movies/ Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo! Groups Links -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14380 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14380 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/
RE: [scifinoir2] Shocking photo of Roger Ebert
I saw it last night, made me sad, but I love how we keep hearing him loud and clear -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kelwyn Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 2:47 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Shocking photo of Roger Ebert In a candid Esquire magazine interview, film critic and Hollywood icon Roger Ebert says there's no need to pity him, eight years after a thyroid cancer diagnosis, followed by surgeries that robbed him of speech and warped his face into a permanent smile. http://blogs.tampabay.com/.a/6a00d83451b05569e20120a8ad2114970b-pi http://blogs.tampabay.com/movies/ Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYa hoo! Groups Links E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14380 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14380 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/
Re: [scifinoir2] Celebrity chef Beppe Bigazzi upsets viewers with his cat casserole
I'm amazed. i've never lived anywhere with a sizable black population in the area where you can't find some type of soul food.- Original Message -From: "Mr. Worf" hellomahog...@gmail.comTo: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.comSent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 4:00:07 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada EasternSubject: Re: [scifinoir2] Celebrity chef Beppe Bigazzi upsets viewers with his cat casserole There's a couple of "modified" soul food places and that is it. It has been a problem here for a long time. The first to go were the bbq places, followed quickly by the soul food restaurants. Most of the restaurants were ran by people that lacked time management and restaurant management skills so you could easily go in and end up waiting nearly an hour for an order. I guess people got tired of that. The restaurants that replaced the old ones were hybrid restaurants that offered food that catered to white people. So for example, instead of greens you got a dill salad or some other concoction. The rest try to make it into a $20+ a plate dinner and $15 for a small gumbo. On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 6:48 AM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: No soul food? With Oakland right there? Dude that's sad!- Original Message -From: "Mr. Worf" hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.comSent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 1:55:46 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada EasternSubject: Re: [scifinoir2] Celebrity chef Beppe Bigazzi upsets viewers with his cat casserole Almost all of the soul food restaurants in a 50 mile radius are gone. You can't even find good bbq here anymore. The $1000 restaurant is a special "foody" event that is cooked by a "maverick" chef. My father still cooks chitterlings (or chitlin's) and other stinky fair. :) And yes, you can get a tripe burrito (and all of the other parts) here as well. They show the maverick chef on the travel channel and on the food channel once in a while. I think he is famous for making poprock ice cream as a desert. On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 10:47 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Dude, a thousand bucks for entrails, brains, and the like? Are you kidding? I've had friends, neighbors and relatives all my life who've eaten stuff like that, be it country white and black folk, or frankly, the Mexicans in Texas and here in Atlanta. I can get you tripe or brain tacos at a Mexican joint here in Atlanta lickety-split. When I was in junior high back in the '70s, I can home one day to find the whole head of a slaughtered hog sitting on the kitchen table! I asked my mom what in the world was up. She said, "Boy, your daddy got a taste for hogshead cheese!" I find it odd that the events there are considered special. In Atlanta, at least, there's been a return to eating more "real" meat for a few years now. There are lots of top-rated restaurants where entrails and the like are eaten, and it's not considered so much a special deal as a return to the parts we eat up until the '70s. And frankly, you can eat those animal parts and still be relatively healthy, as the chefs who are reviving that cooking point out that Europeans eat like this, and are still healthier than Americans. I'd have thought that cooking would have hit San Fran as well by now, and much cheaper... - Original Message -From: "Mr. Worf" hellomahog...@gmail.comTo: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 1:08:48 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada EasternSubject: Re: [scifinoir2] Celebrity chef Beppe Bigazzi upsets viewers with his cat casserole I agree. On top of that, the guy may be right. It may be delicious but unless you go to China you'll never know. There is a special one night only party here in San Francisco where the host will cook parts of animals that are normally not eaten by folks such as "mountain oysters" or the brain. People pay up to $1000 to eat stuff that is eaten by black folks and southerners everyday. Does anyone stick up for alligators? They made shoes, luggage, and sausages out of them for years (still do) and they taste just like chicken. On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 9:32 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: I always get a chuckle out of stuff like this. Did this dude ever cook cow, chicken, duck, or pig? All are living animals that want to live. Pigs are actually smarter than cats or dogs, but no one cries out that they have rights. Why aren't animal rights groups upset over that? People seem to forget that if it walks, flies, crawls, or swims, there are societies where it will be eaten. Note how some in India won't eat cows, but in America it's practically our national food. I personally find the concept of people slurping down slimy mollusks revolting, but that's their preference. Frankly, I feel that the only people who could ever have anything approaching a right to criticize anyone's choice of eating a particular animal
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Hollywood Extinction: Old Dinosaurs die at Box Office
Sorry, i love the Easy Rawlins novels. Great characters, great mysteries. I can see how it might have gotten him pigeonholed, though... - Original Message - From: Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 5:33:20 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Hollywood Extinction: Old Dinosaurs die at Box Office Although he was great at it (Face Off), John Woo was not a fan of the formulaic movies he was making. After MI-2, he thought he had the cachet to make the kind of movie he wanted. He made Windtalkers (2002) a well-intentioned movie starring Nicholas Cage that took in $77 million worldwide ($40 million in America) on a budget of $115 million. Windtalkers is his Heaven's Gate. This is why I don't write that urban lit shit even though I know I can get it published - I don't want to HAVE to write it. It is hard to get out of any ghetto. Walter Mosley wants to write SF but he wrote the Easy Rawlins' novels to get published. Now he is pigeon-holed as a detective fiction writer. It ain't terrible; but it ain't good, either. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: That statement reminds me of John Woo movies. At one time, his name was box office gold. After a string of hits using the same formula, and many people creating carbon copies, his name became synonymous with B-movies. What's he doing these days, has he had a comeback with a new formula? I never hear of him anymore -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of B Smith Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 9:55 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Hollywood Extinction: Old Dinosaurs die at Box Office The old formula picture doesn't seem to work at the box office unless they throw some new spin on it. From Paris With Love was probably a slam dunk once upon a time but the buddy cop genre seems stale now. I think Kevin Smith's Cop Out is going to suffer the same fate. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Kelwyn ravenadal@ wrote: I expected more from Harrison's film because, apparently, he is still a box office draw. I attend a lot of sneak previews (I am going to see Shutter Island, tonight. These are typically oversold. The biggest crowd I have seen this year was for the Ford picture. My date and I arrived an hour early and could not get into the theater. For comparison, the second biggest crowd I have seen for one of these was for Sherlock Holmes (which I also did not get into) and Holmes proved to be a box office success. The Book of Eli was well attended but the theater was not full and Eli has done respectable business. I guess that is the problem with Hollywood: you never know. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ wrote: I think the timing was wrong for all three films. In the case of Ford's film they should have waited for the interviews about the movie to happen before the movie was released. Better still timed it with another medical movie. It doesn't help if the movie is mediocre as well. On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Kelwyn ravenadal@ wrote: Harrison Ford's Extraordinary Measures grosses $12 million (budget:$31 million) John Travolta's From Paris with Love grosses $17.9 million (budget:$52 million) Mel Gibson's Edge of Darkness grosses $37 million (budget: $80 million) Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYa hoo! Groups Links -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYa hoo! Groups Links E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14380 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14380 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/
Re: [scifinoir2] Celebrity chef Beppe Bigazzi upsets viewers with his cat casserole
I can understand that, though I haven't gone vegan myself, I respect it.- Original Message -From: "Adrianne Brennan" adrianne.bren...@gmail.comTo: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.comSent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 6:25:51 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada EasternSubject: Re: [scifinoir2] Celebrity chef Beppe Bigazzi upsets viewers with his cat casserole They do, actually. And it's why people like me go vegan. I don't see why I would eat a cow anymore than I would eat a cat or a dog. :(~ "Where love and magic meet" ~http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of the Dark Moon series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#darkmoonDare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath The future of psychic sex - Dawn of the Seraphs (m/m): http://www.adriannebrennan.com/dawnoftheseraphs.html On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 12:32 AM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: I always get a chuckle out of stuff like this. Did this dude ever cook cow, chicken, duck, or pig? All are living animals that want to live. Pigs are actually smarter than cats or dogs, but no one cries out that they have rights. Why aren't animal rights groups upset over that? People seem to forget that if it walks, flies, crawls, or swims, there are societies where it will be eaten. Note how some in India won't eat cows, but in America it's practically our national food. I personally find the concept of people slurping down slimy mollusks revolting, but that's their preference. Frankly, I feel that the only people who could ever have anything approaching a right to criticize anyone's choice of eating a particular animal are pure vegans who don't eat, wear, or utilize anything that comes from an animal. - Original Message -From: "Mr. Worf" hellomahog...@gmail.comTo: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 11:48:51 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada EasternSubject: [scifinoir2] Celebrity chef Beppe Bigazzi upsets viewers with his cat casserole Celebrity chef Beppe Bigazzi upsets viewers with his cat casserole Richard Owen in Rome � 43 Comments Beppe Bigazzi says cat is better than chicken A top Italian food writer has been suspended indefinitely from the country�s version of the television programme Ready Steady Cook for recommending stewed cat to viewers as a �succulent dish�. RAI, the public broadcasting network, said that it had dropped Beppe Bigazzi, 77, for offering the recipe on La Prova del Cuoco, which is broadcast at midday on the main channel. Its switchboard was inundated with complaints from viewers and animal rights groups. Bigazzi said that casserole of cat was a famous dish in his home region of Valdarno, Tuscany. �I�ve eaten it myself and it�s a lot better than many other animals,� he told viewers. �Better than chicken, rabbit or pigeon.� He said that for optimum flavour the meat should be �soaked in spring water for three days� before being stewed. Elisa Isoardi, the programme�s presenter � who has a cat called Othello � tried to steer Bigazzi off the subject. Reports said that during the commercial break she and the show�s producers tried to persuade him to apologise to viewers but he refused. Related Links � ITV fined for butchery of I�m a Celebrity rat � Cats and dogs to be taken off menu in China Carla Rocchi, the head of ENPA, the Italian society for the protection of animals, said that killing cats was illegal. Francesca Martini, the Deputy Health Minister, said it was �absolutely unheard of for a public service broadcaster to tell people how delicious cats are to eat�. She called for the producers to be investigated for criminal offences involving incitement to mistreat animals. Bigazzi, a consumer affairs journalist and author of Cooking with Common Sense, has been one of the stars of La Prova del Cuoco for the past ten years. He is noted for his exuberant style and previously caused uproar by boiling lobsters live on the show. Yesterday he said that he had only been joking about the recipe, and he had been misunderstood. He added: �Mind you, I wasn�t joking all that much. In the 1930s and 1940s, when I was a boy, people certainly did eat cat in the countryside around Arezzo.� Food historians said that Italians in cities such as Vicenza devised cat recipes in times of economic hardship. Inhabitants of Vicenza are still nicknamed magnagati (cat eaters), and in some butchers� shops rabbits are sold with their heads to assure buyers that they are not cats. From pet to pot � In his 1529 treatise on cookery, Ruperto de Nola recommended spit-roasting cat basted with garlic and olive oil. He wrote: �Take the garlic with oil mixed with good broth so that it is coarse, and pour it over the cat and you can eat it for it is a good dish� � The Spanish _expression_
Re: [scifinoir2] Celebrity chef Beppe Bigazzi upsets viewers with his cat casserole
I agree with you! I was just having a discussion with some friends on how some Americans think of Haitians as some kind of backwards, primitive people. (That foolishness with Pat Robertson saying the country sold its sold to the Devil, then talking about their voodoo ways and stuff). One of the things you'll always hear are the words voodoo and animal sacrifice used in the same sentence. Western Christian thought teaches us to look down on the use of animals in other cultures' religious ceremonies. Yet, as you pointed out, we slaughter and eat animals all the time, so what's the difference? And as a practicing Christian, I have to point out that our belief set is still based on sacrifice, as the Hebrews sacrificed animals to God. We've just replaced that physical act with the spiritual based on Jesus as the eternal sacrifice, even consuming his blood and body in the form of wine/grape juice and bread/crackers. - Original Message - From: Adrianne Brennan adrianne.bren...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 6:28:29 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Celebrity chef Beppe Bigazzi upsets viewers with his cat casserole Honestly? This. And I thank you for it. I see people getting all riled up over things such as animal sacrifice in certain religions, for instance, where an animal is killed quickly and humanely and then eaten. Yet these same people will chow down at Micky D's where a cow was tortured to produce their cheeseburger. ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of the Dark Moon series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#darkmoon Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath The future of psychic sex - Dawn of the Seraphs (m/m): http://www.adriannebrennan.com/dawnoftheseraphs.html On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 12:32 AM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Frankly, I feel that the only people who could ever have anything approaching a right to criticize anyone's choice of eating a particular animal are pure vegans who don't eat, wear, or utilize anything that comes from an animal.
Re: [scifinoir2] Shocking photo of Roger Ebert
He's been battling this for years. He's had several bouts and several surgeries. This most recent one is the most severe, and resulted in his having to leave his long running TV show. Times like this remind us what a great thing the Internet can be: Ebert's not missed a beat in writing reviews and getting them published, thanks to a computer and an Internet connection. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 5:55:28 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Shocking photo of Roger Ebert Wow... On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 2:46 PM, Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo.com wrote: In a candid Esquire magazine interview, film critic and Hollywood icon Roger Ebert says there's no need to pity him, eight years after a thyroid cancer diagnosis, followed by surgeries that robbed him of speech and warped his face into a permanent smile. http://blogs.tampabay.com/.a/6a00d83451b05569e20120a8ad2114970b-pi http://blogs.tampabay.com/movies/ Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo ! Groups Links -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Hollywood Extinction: Old Dinosaurs die at Box Office
His most recent film is Red Cliff, which I posted on just a few weeks back.
It comes in a four hour version, which was released in Asia, and a shortened
two-plus hour versions, which was released in the States. I'm looking for the
longer version now.
http://www.redclifffilm.com/
- Original Message -
From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 2:00:57 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Hollywood Extinction: Old Dinosaurs die at Box
Office
That statement reminds me of John Woo movies. At one time, his name was box
office gold. After a string of hits using the same formula, and many people
creating carbon copies, his name became synonymous with B-movies.
What's he doing these days, has he had a comeback with a new formula? I
never hear of him anymore
-Original Message-
From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On
Behalf Of B Smith
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 9:55 AM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Hollywood Extinction: Old Dinosaurs die at Box
Office
The old formula picture doesn't seem to work at the box office unless they
throw some new spin on it. From Paris With Love was probably a slam dunk
once upon a time but the buddy cop genre seems stale now. I think Kevin
Smith's Cop Out is going to suffer the same fate.
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Kelwyn ravena...@... wrote:
I expected more from Harrison's film because, apparently, he is still a
box office draw. I attend a lot of sneak previews (I am going to see
Shutter Island, tonight. These are typically oversold. The biggest crowd
I have seen this year was for the Ford picture. My date and I arrived an
hour early and could not get into the theater. For comparison, the second
biggest crowd I have seen for one of these was for Sherlock Holmes (which
I also did not get into) and Holmes proved to be a box office success. The
Book of Eli was well attended but the theater was not full and Eli has
done respectable business. I guess that is the problem with Hollywood: you
never know.
~rave!
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ wrote:
I think the timing was wrong for all three films. In the case of Ford's
film
they should have waited for the interviews about the movie to happen
before
the movie was released. Better still timed it with another medical
movie. It
doesn't help if the movie is mediocre as well.
On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Kelwyn ravenadal@ wrote:
Harrison Ford's Extraordinary Measures grosses $12 million
(budget:$31
million)
John Travolta's From Paris with Love grosses $17.9 million
(budget:$52
million)
Mel Gibson's Edge of Darkness grosses $37 million (budget: $80
million)
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[scifinoir2] The Dumbing of America
*All of us have a right to protest and carry signs, but sometimes those signs are unintentionally hilariously stupid. Here are 30 such signs.* 1. Amensty ** 2. Competnce ** 3. System of Running an Economy FAIL ** 4. Marridge ** 5. Truth FAIL ** 6. Thinkg ** 7. Sactity of Marriage ** 8. Washinton ** 9. Offical Language ** 10. Your/You're FAIL ** 11. Not Being A Violent Psychopath FAIL ** 12. Understanding The Modern Combustion Engine FAIL ** 13. Your/You're FAIL #2 ** 14. Understanding Jesus FAIL ** 15. Arithetic ** 16. Birth Certifict ** 17. Juice/Jews? ** 18. Amesty #2 With Bonus ** 19. Morans!! ** 20. Hugh/Huge ** 21. Obama Is A Muslin ** 22. Mavrik ** 23. Amnety #3 (Honk for English) ** 24. Lanaguage ** 25. No Excetions ** 26. NO Pubic Option ** 27. Respect Are-Country ** 28. Stundents 4 McCain ** 29. Commander And Theif ** 30. Keep Us Infromed ** -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
RE: [scifinoir2] Concept van Nissan NV200 ( 9 Pics )
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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Hollywood Extinction: Old Dinosaurs die at Box Office
I agree. I have read that about that from a couple of different foreign directors. The company marketing people often have more input in a film than the writers, actors, and directors do. On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 2:58 PM, B Smith daikaij...@yahoo.com wrote: If Windtalkers was Woo's Heaven's Gate was Paycheck his Year of the Dragon, The Sicilian or Desparate Hours? LOL Woo went back to Hog Kong and just had a big comeback. His epic film Red Cliff did great worldwide box office. I think he and most HK directors didn't mesh well with the American studio style. Also HK melodrama mixed in with awesome action just doesn't play the same way in English. ;) Supposedly he is doing some more American films in the near future. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Kelwyn ravena...@... wrote: Although he was great at it (Face Off), John Woo was not a fan of the formulaic movies he was making. After MI-2, he thought he had the cachet to make the kind of movie he wanted. He made Windtalkers (2002) a well-intentioned movie starring Nicholas Cage that took in $77 million worldwide ($40 million in America) on a budget of $115 million. Windtalkers is his Heaven's Gate. This is why I don't write that urban lit shit even though I know I can get it published - I don't want to HAVE to write it. It is hard to get out of any ghetto. Walter Mosley wants to write SF but he wrote the Easy Rawlins' novels to get published. Now he is pigeon-holed as a detective fiction writer. It ain't terrible; but it ain't good, either. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella tdlists@ wrote: That statement reminds me of John Woo movies. At one time, his name was box office gold. After a string of hits using the same formula, and many people creating carbon copies, his name became synonymous with B-movies. What's he doing these days, has he had a comeback with a new formula? I never hear of him anymore -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of B Smith Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 9:55 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Hollywood Extinction: Old Dinosaurs die at Box Office The old formula picture doesn't seem to work at the box office unless they throw some new spin on it. From Paris With Love was probably a slam dunk once upon a time but the buddy cop genre seems stale now. I think Kevin Smith's Cop Out is going to suffer the same fate. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Kelwyn ravenadal@ wrote: I expected more from Harrison's film because, apparently, he is still a box office draw. I attend a lot of sneak previews (I am going to see Shutter Island, tonight. These are typically oversold. The biggest crowd I have seen this year was for the Ford picture. My date and I arrived an hour early and could not get into the theater. For comparison, the second biggest crowd I have seen for one of these was for Sherlock Holmes (which I also did not get into) and Holmes proved to be a box office success. The Book of Eli was well attended but the theater was not full and Eli has done respectable business. I guess that is the problem with Hollywood: you never know. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ wrote: I think the timing was wrong for all three films. In the case of Ford's film they should have waited for the interviews about the movie to happen before the movie was released. Better still timed it with another medical movie. It doesn't help if the movie is mediocre as well. On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Kelwyn ravenadal@ wrote: Harrison Ford's Extraordinary Measures grosses $12 million (budget:$31 million) John Travolta's From Paris with Love grosses $17.9 million (budget:$52 million) Mel Gibson's Edge of Darkness grosses $37 million (budget: $80 million) Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYa hoo! Groups Links -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYa hoo! Groups Links E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14380 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14380
RE: [scifinoir2] Disney-Pixar has 250 games, figures ready for Toy Story 3
Why don't they just put Mrs Potato Head on a corner in a leather mini and f-me shoes? If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: ravena...@yahoo.com Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 22:44:47 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Disney-Pixar has 250 games, figures ready for Toy Story 3 http://herouh.notlong.com Disney-Pixar won't get caught with its action figure pants down again, announcing the creation of 250 toys and games tied to Toy Story 3. The company's chief creative officer John Lasseter announced the line Sunday at the opening of Toy Fair in New York. _ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469228/direct/01/
RE: [scifinoir2] The Dumbing of America
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Re: [scifinoir2] The Dumbing of America
They did it to themselves. This is what happens when you don't want to pay school taxes to help improve education. But don't get me started On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 7:03 PM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.comwrote: I've been saying for years that we were headed toward being a third-world country. Seeing those, I'm starting to wonder if we haven't been there for some time -- Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469226/direct/01/ -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
RE: [scifinoir2] Concept van Nissan NV200 ( 9 Pics )
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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Celebrity chef Beppe Bigazzi upsets viewers with his cat casserole
I have eaten hoghead cheese back when I was a kid. A couple of times it was good, but it didn't taste right when I got older and I haven't touched it since. I have also heard about the eggs and tripe before too. She must be from Texas or Louisiana? On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 2:37 PM, Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo.com wrote: Food is a funny thing. My significant other told me today that she was having hogshead cheese for lunch. Do any of you know what hogshead cheese is? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head_cheese). Further, she told me how her mother used to scramble cow's brains in her eggs. And don't get me started on eggs (chicken embryos? really?). ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@... wrote:  Celebrity chef Beppe Bigazzi upsets viewers with his cat casserole Richard Owen in Rome �43 Comments http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/food_and_drink/article7029058.ece#comment-have-your-say http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/food_and_drink/article7029058.ece#none [image: Beppe Bigazzi] Beppe Bigazzi says cat is better than chicken http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/food_and_drink/xxx A top Italian food writer has been suspended indefinitely from the country�s version of the television programme Ready Steady Cook for recommending stewed cat to viewers as a �succulent dish�. RAI, the public broadcasting network, said that it had dropped Beppe Bigazzi, 77, for offering the recipe on La Prova del Cuoco, which is broadcast at midday on the main channel. Its switchboard was inundated with complaints from viewers and animal rights groups. Bigazzi said that casserole of cat was a famous dish in his home region of Valdarno, Tuscany. �I�ve eaten it myself and it�s a lot better than many other animals,� he told viewers. �Better than chicken, rabbit or pigeon.� He said that for optimum flavour the meat should be �soaked in spring water for three days� before being stewed. Elisa Isoardi, the programme�s presenter � who has a cat called Othello � tried to steer Bigazzi off the subject. Reports said that during the commercial break she and the show�s producers tried to persuade him to apologise to viewers but he refused. Related Links �ITV fined for butchery of I�m a Celebrity rat http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/tv_and_radio/article7020369.ece �Cats and dogs to be taken off menu in China http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article7003032.ece Carla Rocchi, the head of ENPA, the Italian society for the protection of animals, said that killing cats was illegal. Francesca Martini, the Deputy Health Minister, said it was �absolutely unheard of for a public service broadcaster to tell people how delicious cats are to eat�. She called for the producers to be investigated for criminal offences involving incitement to mistreat animals. Bigazzi, a consumer affairs journalist and author of Cooking with Common Sense, has been one of the stars of La Prova del Cuoco for the past ten years. He is noted for his exuberant style and previously caused uproar by boiling lobsters live on the show. Yesterday he said that he had only been joking about the recipe, and he had been misunderstood. He added: �Mind you, I wasn�t joking all that much. In the 1930s and 1940s, when I was a boy, people certainly did eat cat in the countryside around Arezzo.� Food historians said that Italians in cities such as Vicenza devised cat recipes in times of economic hardship. Inhabitants of Vicenza are still nicknamed magnagati (cat eaters), and in some butchers� shops rabbits are sold with their heads to assure buyers that they are not cats. *From pet to pot* � In his 1529 treatise on cookery, Ruperto de Nola recommended spit-roasting cat basted with garlic and olive oil. He wrote: �Take the garlic with oil mixed with good broth so that it is coarse, and pour it over the cat and you can eat it for it is a good dish� � The Spanish expression pasar gato por liebre derives from the practice of hunters trying to sell skinned cats as hares. When butchered, the animals are supposed to look almost identical � In 2007 Australians at a cooking contest in Alice Springs sought to curb the feral cat population by using them in a dish. One judge found the cat casserole so tough that she had to spit it out � Last month legal experts in China responded to pressure from the country�s middle class and proposed a ban on eating cat and dog meat. Both are traditional Chinese dishes but if the law is passed people caught eating cats could face 15 days in prison Sources: agencies, florilegium.org, statemaster.com
Re: [scifinoir2] Concept van Nissan NV200 ( 9 Pics )
No problem. I'm just wondering how it looks when that stuff is inside the van. On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 7:00 PM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.comwrote: And thank you for the send, Mr Worf! -- Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. Get it now.http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469230/direct/01/ -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
Re: [scifinoir2] Disney-Pixar has 250 games, figures ready for Toy Story 3
I used to receive the merchandising magazine for all of the new properties that were going on to the market every quarter. They will do just about anything for most of the properties if your company has the money. On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 7:05 PM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.comwrote: Why don't they just put Mrs Potato Head on a corner in a leather mini and f-me shoes? If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik -- To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: ravena...@yahoo.com Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 22:44:47 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Disney-Pixar has 250 games, figures ready for Toy Story 3 http://herouh.notlong.com Disney-Pixar won't get caught with its action figure pants down again, announcing the creation of 250 toys and games tied to Toy Story 3. The company's chief creative officer John Lasseter announced the line Sunday at the opening of Toy Fair in New York. -- Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. Get it now.http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469228/direct/01/ -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
[scifinoir2] Mossad assassinates leader of the Hamas
Anyone following this story? They are saying that Dubai reassembled what happened using video footage from 8 different sources ala NCIS. Here is some info on the story: http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/politics/jan-june10/hamas2_02-17.html -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
[scifinoir2] Re: Hollywood Extinction: Old Dinosaurs die at Box Office
I am more a fan of his Socrates Fortlow novels. I think Always Outnumbered, Always Outgunned and Walkin' the Dog, are evocative novels, beautifully rendered. IMHO the Easy Rawlins novels are poorly written detective novels. Like Spenser in the Spenser novels, Rawlins kind of flails around, knocking over hornets' nests until he almost accidentally solves his cases. The best part of the novels are the decade by decade tour of black Los Angeles Mosley gives us, from the late forties until the middle sixties. Plus, as a fan of John D. MacDonald's Travis McGee novels, I was a little peeved that Mosley stole MacDonald's color gimmick. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: Sorry, i love the Easy Rawlins novels. Great characters, great mysteries. I can see how it might have gotten him pigeonholed, though... - Original Message - From: Kelwyn ravena...@... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 5:33:20 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Hollywood Extinction: Old Dinosaurs die at Box Office Although he was great at it (Face Off), John Woo was not a fan of the formulaic movies he was making. After MI-2, he thought he had the cachet to make the kind of movie he wanted. He made Windtalkers (2002) a well-intentioned movie starring Nicholas Cage that took in $77 million worldwide ($40 million in America) on a budget of $115 million. Windtalkers is his Heaven's Gate. This is why I don't write that urban lit shit even though I know I can get it published - I don't want to HAVE to write it. It is hard to get out of any ghetto. Walter Mosley wants to write SF but he wrote the Easy Rawlins' novels to get published. Now he is pigeon-holed as a detective fiction writer. It ain't terrible; but it ain't good, either. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Tracey de Morsella tdlists@ wrote: That statement reminds me of John Woo movies. At one time, his name was box office gold. After a string of hits using the same formula, and many people creating carbon copies, his name became synonymous with B-movies. What's he doing these days, has he had a comeback with a new formula? I never hear of him anymore -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of B Smith Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 9:55 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Hollywood Extinction: Old Dinosaurs die at Box Office The old formula picture doesn't seem to work at the box office unless they throw some new spin on it. From Paris With Love was probably a slam dunk once upon a time but the buddy cop genre seems stale now. I think Kevin Smith's Cop Out is going to suffer the same fate. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Kelwyn ravenadal@ wrote: I expected more from Harrison's film because, apparently, he is still a box office draw. I attend a lot of sneak previews (I am going to see Shutter Island, tonight. These are typically oversold. The biggest crowd I have seen this year was for the Ford picture. My date and I arrived an hour early and could not get into the theater. For comparison, the second biggest crowd I have seen for one of these was for Sherlock Holmes (which I also did not get into) and Holmes proved to be a box office success. The Book of Eli was well attended but the theater was not full and Eli has done respectable business. I guess that is the problem with Hollywood: you never know. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ wrote: I think the timing was wrong for all three films. In the case of Ford's film they should have waited for the interviews about the movie to happen before the movie was released. Better still timed it with another medical movie. It doesn't help if the movie is mediocre as well. On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Kelwyn ravenadal@ wrote: Harrison Ford's Extraordinary Measures grosses $12 million (budget:$31 million) John Travolta's From Paris with Love grosses $17.9 million (budget:$52 million) Mel Gibson's Edge of Darkness grosses $37 million (budget: $80 million) Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYa hoo! Groups Links -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ Post your SciFiNoir Profile at
Re: [scifinoir2] Celebrity chef Beppe Bigazzi upsets viewers with his cat casserole
That's really sad. One good thing about living here in the South is that there are lots of soul food places. And, since Southern cooking is in many cases the same (fried chicken, greens, candied yams, etc) one can get good food of that type from some white-owned restaurants as well. Although to be frank, the best soul/Southern food I've had is still to be found back home in Texas. Some of the spices used here aren't quite as robust. And for my Texan's taste, there's still precious little good barbecue to be found in Atlanta. The South is focused mostly on pig whereas Texas BBQ is more beef based, sauce tends to be watery/vinegary or mustard based here, while Texas sauce is often thicker, sweeter, and less vinegary. And I've yet to find a lot of Atlantan BBQ joints that realize the meet should be cooked and seasoned so well that you don't have to put sauce on it (even though you do so!) Many places here don't really smoke the meat, and don't season it well, so that sauce becomes a necessity.- Original Message -From: "Mr. Worf" hellomahog...@gmail.comTo: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.comSent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 10:27:43 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada EasternSubject: Re: [scifinoir2] Celebrity chef Beppe Bigazzi upsets viewers with his cat casserole There are a couple of places here that does fish and chicken, but the rest are pretty bad or very small. There was a small chain of bbq restaurants here called Emilo Villas and now there are down to one place about 20 miles from here. Even the black owned burger joints are almost all gone. There is only couple left. On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 5:55 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: I'm amazed. i've never lived anywhere with a sizable black population in the area where you can't find some type of soul food. - Original Message -From: "Mr. Worf" hellomahog...@gmail.comTo: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 4:00:07 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada EasternSubject: Re: [scifinoir2] Celebrity chef Beppe Bigazzi upsets viewers with his cat casserole There's a couple of "modified" soul food places and that is it. It has been a problem here for a long time. The first to go were the bbq places, followed quickly by the soul food restaurants. Most of the restaurants were ran by people that lacked time management and restaurant management skills so you could easily go in and end up waiting nearly an hour for an order. I guess people got tired of that. The restaurants that replaced the old ones were hybrid restaurants that offered food that catered to white people. So for example, instead of greens you got a dill salad or some other concoction. The rest try to make it into a $20+ a plate dinner and $15 for a small gumbo. On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 6:48 AM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: No soul food? With Oakland right there? Dude that's sad!- Original Message -From: "Mr. Worf" hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.comSent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 1:55:46 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada EasternSubject: Re: [scifinoir2] Celebrity chef Beppe Bigazzi upsets viewers with his cat casserole Almost all of the soul food restaurants in a 50 mile radius are gone. You can't even find good bbq here anymore. The $1000 restaurant is a special "foody" event that is cooked by a "maverick" chef. My father still cooks chitterlings (or chitlin's) and other stinky fair. :) And yes, you can get a tripe burrito (and all of the other parts) here as well. They show the maverick chef on the travel channel and on the food channel once in a while. I think he is famous for making poprock ice cream as a desert. On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 10:47 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Dude, a thousand bucks for entrails, brains, and the like? Are you kidding? I've had friends, neighbors and relatives all my life who've eaten stuff like that, be it country white and black folk, or frankly, the Mexicans in Texas and here in Atlanta. I can get you tripe or brain tacos at a Mexican joint here in Atlanta lickety-split. When I was in junior high back in the '70s, I can home one day to find the whole head of a slaughtered hog sitting on the kitchen table! I asked my mom what in the world was up. She said, "Boy, your daddy got a taste for hogshead cheese!" I find it odd that the events there are considered special. In Atlanta, at least, there's been a return to eating more "real" meat for a few years now. There are lots of top-rated restaurants where entrails and the like are eaten, and it's not considered so much a special deal as a return to the parts we eat up until the '70s. And frankly, you can eat those animal parts and still be relatively healthy, as the chefs who are reviving that cooking point out that Europeans eat like this, and are still healthier than Americans. I'd have thought that
[scifinoir2] Leverage Season Finale
Anyone catch the Leverage two-part season finale tonight? Pretty good, took a couple of surprising turns, had a good cliffhanger ending (as all shows like this and Burn Notice do). Good fun show, not too dramatic, just breezy fun. I think I compared a lot of the cable shows like this and Burn Notice to the fun shows of old I used to enjoy, like The Rockford Files, I Spy, Man from UNCLE. I've said this before, but more and more I find that the majority of shows I watch regularly are on cable: Leverage, Burn Notice, White Collar, Psych, In Plain Sight, The Closer, Saving Grace. Throw in some cartoons like Secret Saturdays, Ben 10, Batman Brave and the Bold, and Wolverine and the X-Men. Then add in the History and Discovery channel fare I love: Pawn Stars, Life After People, The Universe, How the Earth was Made. Mix in BBC add a liberal dosage of broadcast-TV-canceling-moving-shows-around, and I'm watching broadcast TV much less nowadays.
[scifinoir2] Minerals and life
ahar...@earthlink.net Fascinating stuff! Subject: Minerals and life Hi: The March 2010 Scientific American includes the article: Evolution of Minerals; March 2010; by Robert M. Hazen; 8 Page(s) The article indicates that in the early stages of Earth's history there were only about 250 mineral compounds. This is what they estimate most planet / moon-type objects have if they don't have processes that will help produce additional compounds. They estimate that even assuming Mars once had seas that dried up, it is unlikely to have more than 500 compounds. Venus' more active geological forces, atmosphere, etc. probably have produced more. Similarly, Earth's geological, atmospheric and oceanic forces produced additional compounds even before life had much impact. However, after plants had increased the oxygen content of the air, another 1000+ compounds were produced. They estimate that later life processes lead to about 2000 more compounds - so that Earth now has about 4400. The article suggests that scientists might use the presence of large numbers of mineral compounds on other worlds as an indicator of past or present life there. The information in the article suggests that other worlds without past or present life will have limited numbers of mineral compounds. It occurred to me this may have implications for human colonization of other worlds. Part of the reason geological and life processes are needed to create additional compounds is that without those forces some chemical elements are scattered too widely to form useful concentrations. Other worlds with few compounds and limited concentrations of certain elements for mining could prevent adequate availability of natural resources needed for a technological society. Of course, humans could avoid life-less worlds and try to colonize worlds with life. However, planets with a robust enough ecology to produce a native intelligent species aren't appropriate for human colonization. Planets with life (but no intelligent life) may be the best option, although the native life more likely than not won't be healthy and nutritious for Earth life. We can import Earth plants and animals, but the native life will presumably be better adapted to the specifics of that planet. Colonization might be more involved than previously thought. Other articles in the March Scientific American include: Heavy Brows, High Art; March 2010; by Charles Q. Choi; 2 Page(s) Were Neandertals our mental equals? Dark Side of Black Holes; March 2010; by Charles Q. Choi; 3 Page(s) Dark matter could explain the early universe's giant black holes The Moon That Would Be A Planet; March 2010; by Ralph Lorenz and Christophe Sotin; 8 Page(s) Titan, Saturn's largest natural satellite, scarcely deserves to be a called a mere moon. It has an atmosphere thicker than Earth's and a surface that is almost as varied The Brain's Dark Energy; March 2010; by Marcus E. Raichle; 6 Page(s) Brain regions active when our minds wander may hold a key to understanding neurological disorders and even consciousness itself Fusion's False Dawn; March 2010; by Ben Knight; 8 Page(s) Scientists have long dreamed of harnessing nuclear fusion—the power plant of the stars—for a safe, clean and virtually unlimited energy supply. Even as a historic milestone nears, skeptics question whether a working reactor will ever be possible Climate Change: A Controlled Experiment; March 2010; by Stan D. Wullschleger and Maya Strahl; 6 Page(s) Scientists have carefully manipulated grasslands and forests to see how precipitation, carbon dioxide and temperature changes affect the biosphere, allowing them to forecast the future Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: scifinoir2-dig...@yahoogroups.com scifinoir2-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: scifinoir2-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
