RE: CSBells Palsy
Hi David, If it were me I would be taking anti-inflammatories. Steroids are a last resort in my book. If this is caused by a viral or bacterial infection you need your immune system to work at it's best. Steroids suppress the immune system.. I am not suggesting that this is your case, but one of the things said to cause bells palsy is HIV and AIDS. Imagine what would happen if you give an immune suppressant to someone with an already compromised immune system. Take a look at this link below. http://www.neurologychannel.com/bellspalsy/ http://www.patient.co.uk/showdoc/23068866/ I am not a doc, it is just my opinion and I am not telling you to stop any meds the doc has given you. I would keep taking whatever he has given you and go back and express the concern for the steroids. The use of steroids in Bells Palsy is said to aid the fullest recovery from the attack, but even then, it is still controversial. The other meds are possibly anti-virals. All the best and I hope you get better soon, Dave. -Original Message- From: David [mailto:davidgrave...@sbcglobal.net] Sent: 18 October 2004 03:36 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSBells Palsy I had scary thing happen to me today... the left side of my face stopped working... I can't blink my eye, the left side of my mouth kind of droops, and if I drink something I better keep it on the right side of my mouth or it is dribbled down my shirt. Anyway I thought I was having a stroke so I went to the emergency room and they did a cat scan and all the other things I have never had before and they tell me I have bells palsy. The good news is it that for most people it goes away within a couple months or so. They don't really know what causes it but some papers they gave me says that they think it might be caused by a virus. Has anyone in this group experienced Bells Palsy or know the best way to treat it in a holistic manner? They gave me steroids and and some other poison I really don't want to take. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance! David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSMercury
I have no doubt that the information in this article is true: http://www.mercola.com/2004/oct/16/mercury.htm But when I was a kid in the 6th grade (many years ago), there was a stoppered bottle of mercury in our science cabinet, and we used to take it out and play with it. It was fascinating to watch the silvery liquid roll around without sticking to anything. I remember holding some in the palm of my hand to see if I could prevent it from sliding off. We had no idea it was dangerous, and, apparently, neither did the science teacher or the school administration. Nowadays, I would not want to be in the same room with the stuff. As far as I know, none of us suffered any health consequences from this stupidity. Can anybody explain why that might be? Del -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSHanna Meter Model Number
Hello, Dan, Greater accuracy might be attained by using the fact that the unit of conductivity is really microsiemens per centimeter, not the microsiemens so commonly used. The probes can be attached by clips to external probes of adjustable and measurable separation. This would give a set of data pairs that can span the range of the meter scale. A least-squares-fit could then be fitted to the data-pair set. The slope of the LSF line would have units of microsiemens per centimeter, yielding the conductivity to within a proportionality constant. Matthew - Original Message - From: Dan Nave na...@comcast.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2004 10:53 PM Subject: Re: CSHanna Meter Model Number Ode and Mike, As you indicate, the range that we would use the PWT is at the lower end of the meter's range. The accuracy, when calibrated at full scale, along with the linearity of the response, makes the error large when compared to the smaller readings at the low end of the scale. I would suggest, then, that we increase the accuracy of the readings in the range that we will be using them. The way to do this is to calibrate the meter at the maximum uS reading that we are likely to encounter, say, between 25 to 30 uS. This will throw off the accuracy at readings substantially above this level, but will increase the accuracy between 0 and 30 uS. So, unless the linearity of the meter's response between 0 and 30 uS is particularly bad, we would approach an accuracy of near +/- 2% of full scale, with full scale being 20 or 30 uS (our new full scale value). If the linearity between 0 and 30 uS is particularly bad, then we will not achieve this accuracy, and the accuracy of the meter with normal calibration will also be bad; in short the meter would be useless for our purposes... Dan Re: CSHanna Meter Model Number * From: Mike Monett (view other messages by this author) * Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 06:48:15 Ken, thanks for the good info, especially on controlling temperature! As far as getting two units to agree, the spec is +/-2% of full scale. This means +/-2ppm, which means one unit could read 4 ppm higher or lower than another and they would still be in spec. A slight difference in temperature would increase the discrepancy. The problem is the units are design for higher conductivity than we typically get in cs, so our readings are at the bottom 20% of the range. This is the least accurate portion. Here's the specs from Hanna's site: Range : 0.1 to 99.9 uS/cm Resolution : 0.1 uS/cm Accuracy (@20C/68F) : +/-2% Full Scale http://www.hannainst.com/products/testers/pwt.htm Although individual units may differ by more than we would like, one would hope they would be consistent and repeatable. As far as I can determine from searching the archives, most people seem to feel the units are repeatable. I know you have posted seeing different results, but it is not clear what caused them. Best Wishes, Mike Monett -- -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMercury
Metallic mercury isn't that toxic unless vaporised and inhaled, or in contact with saliva for years and years. Organic and inorganic mercury compounds are horribly toxic. http://www.emedicine.com/EMERG/topic813.htm I too played with metallic mercury as a kid, without obvious effects (though who knows?). Paul H - Original Message - From: Del d...@altsystem.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 11:30 AM Subject: CSMercury I have no doubt that the information in this article is true: http://www.mercola.com/2004/oct/16/mercury.htm But when I was a kid in the 6th grade (many years ago), there was a stoppered bottle of mercury in our science cabinet, and we used to take it out and play with it. It was fascinating to watch the silvery liquid roll around without sticking to anything. I remember holding some in the palm of my hand to see if I could prevent it from sliding off. We had no idea it was dangerous, and, apparently, neither did the science teacher or the school administration. Nowadays, I would not want to be in the same room with the stuff. As far as I know, none of us suffered any health consequences from this stupidity. Can anybody explain why that might be? Del -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSIs it really this quiet? NOW Changing Thread
At 01:55 PM 18/10/04, you wrote: No, sol, this does not work, as you can easily see by checking the archives. The previous thread broke as soon as j rigby changed the subject. Unfortunately, he did not check his post, and did not know his suggestion would not work: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Hi folks, ARRRGGHHH! Correct. I did not check as I couldn't expect THAT!. Aside from the oddity of this odd database, the object was actually to resolve the plea of the original writer: INTELLIGENT SUBJECTS. Of Course even though the Thread continuity was badly treated, it is still obviously visible as a pointer by the capitalised NOW and a more sane subject that is going to be at least basically searchable. Thus: Original Subject: MY Dog has a hangover, will CS Help? 3 messages later: Actual topic morphed into which is better state to live in for Welfare recipients? Could be restyled as: RE MY dog has hangover, will CS help NOW: Welfare Benefits. O.T. Cheers, Himagain -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSDMSO-DRAGON breath
The Jacob Lab low odor DMSO has 10% urea. Due to this oral use will never be recommended. BUT lots of people use urea orally in very small quantities. It is used in urine therapy to enhance the effect. There is controversy within the traditional medical field surrounding the use of human urine or urea. Although it is used in brain and kidney surgeries. The smell may be the urea or a compound that has formed from the DMSO and urea. Urea is converted to ammonia if you allow urine to sit for more than ten minutes. If it smells like ammonia or stale urine this is what is happening when your DMSO shot sits out. There is the Gaylord Chemicals no odor DMSO but it is even more expensive than the Jacob Lab low odor DMSO. ~$180 liter or $100 per 500 ml. I am told by Gaylord's VP or Marketing in Texas that it is only sold to health care workers by their vendors even though it is OTC. I have not tried to find it myself. But if I were needing to use it frequently or orally I would. Their product is also USP so it is safe for injection. Garnet On Sun, 2004-10-17 at 11:48, sol wrote: I purchased the Jacob Lab 60% DMSO low odor product, and it says topical use. I haven't gotten around to calling them to ask if this means it is not to be used internally. Applied topically, it does not cause the BO or bad breath for me, but it does have a very nasty chemical odor of its own that I find bothers me a lot. My husband is used to the smell of small shot glasses of diluted regular DMSO on the bathroom vanity, but when I had a little glass of diluted Jacob lab stuff sitting out, came asked me what the awful smell was. I find it very unpleasant to use also, as it has glycerin added in addition to the urea, and it leaves the skin feeling sticky for quite some time after application, even though I use it diluted to approx 20% with CS. All in all I am quite disappointed in it for myself, and it was many times more expensive than regular DMSO. For me I will probably go back to taking chlorophyll but am out, and can't find it locally. If I find out if it is safe or not for internal use, I will post. sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSChemicals and process to make the chrome mirror thingy inside glass
Search for Tollen's reagent. Marshall Ken Nancy Bagwell wrote: Does anyone know the process or have links to how one can make the reflective silvery mirror-like finish inside glass bottle and containers. There was some mention of this months back but I don't have a clue how to search for it because I don't remember any of the names of the chemicals or the process. Thanks!-Ken Bagwell --- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish.
RE: CSDMSO-DRAGON breath
Thanks Ed. I have a email into one of their distributors and am waiting for a reply. The product they sell for addition to paint to reduce VOCs is a powdered ceramic made from clay that contained the organisms. It mentions the imprint of the bacteria so I am not sure if they are saying any of the organisms survive or if it has some other mode of action. I have read else where that they do survive and that vessels made from fermented clay are suppose to have health and preservation qualities. It is a new topic for me so I am doing as much as I can to learn about its many uses. I did ask on the EM List why they feel that their product is different from other probiotics of the same species names. Particular strains can surely be developed so I am curious if this is just a case of marketing ones proprietary product and making claims that are not verifiable or if they have found it to be truly superior. There are many strains of probiotics on the market. I have used some of the high count liquids and can attest that higher counts do make a difference when you look at yogurt vs taking the super concentrated liquid products. I tried Kombucha in the 90's when I had CFS. It made me so energetic, I thought yipeee this stuff is great. Then I realized how much caffeine Green Tea has in it! I tried making it with herbal tea and it changed the culture so I lost it. Do you make yours with Green Tea? Or have you found a way to avoid the caffeine? What else do you like about Kombucha tea. It was sure fun to make and watch it grow! I wonder if it could be dried and ground up then added to the paint to reduce odors. I may just ended up painting on days when I can open all the windows and run some fans. I think I have found a paint that has fairly low odor, Kelly Moore, at least the primer I buy from them is not too bad. Some paint has pesticides and mildewicides added. One of them is an azole and I know my husband can not take azole drugs, he turns competely red with a whole body rash. So before I actually purchase any of their paint I will check and see what it has in it in the way of azoles. Thiabendazole may not out gas, so I will have to ask them that too. I know they do not disclose pesticides because they make no claim for them, but in the past I got really sick after a rent hous was painted the day before I moved in, but I was still sick with CFS secondary to Candida then. I am much healtheir now. The low VOC paints like AFM do not have the same durability qualities as regular paint I am told. Does anyone know about this? Thanks again Ed for your generous offer. I may take you up on it. Garnet On Sun, 2004-10-17 at 16:29, Ed Kasper wrote: Garnet, Speaking of Lactic Acid Bacteria, Yeasts and Phototrophic Bacteria. I have plenty of bacteria and yeasts in my Kombucha. L(+) Lactic acid - Usnic acid - Acetic acid - Carbonic acid - Folic Acid - Gluconic acid - Glucuronic acid - Amino acids vitamins, Various Enzymes are also reported as present. I'd be glad to send you some to experiment to reduce VOCs and hopefully deodorize DMSO. Ed Kasper LAc. Licensed Acupuncturist Herbalist Acupuncture is a jab well done www.HappyHerbalist.com -Original Message- From: Garnet [mailto:garnetri...@earthlink.net] Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2004 9:20 AM To: Silver List Subject: Re: CSDMSO-DRAGON breath No I don't really have any other good ideas. I don't know how they mix it and it may be a proprietary process. If you buy it from www.jacoblab.com it does help support their research and publishing efforts. Dr Jacob is working on a extensive book on DMSO, some where I read it was to be a 6 volume set. I have recently been reading about Effective Microorganisms, a proprietary mixture of Lactic Acid Bacteria, Yeasts and Phototrophic Bacteria. One use I am looking at is for adding them to pain to reduce VOCs (paint odors). I have no idea but it is a thought that maybe it could also deodorize DMSO? But then again maybe the DMSO would kill them since they are bacteria and it is effective against some bacteria. Particularly if it contained cs. Google Effective Microorganisms for more info. There is a Yahoo list but I don't have the address. They are sold through dealers and no you can not cultivate them, it changes them, adds other bugs etc. Garnet -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.280 / Virus Database: 264.11.1 - Release Date: 10/15/2004 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSIs it really this quiet? GARNET
Actually my experience does not bear this out. I use ~10 ppm and I drink at least a cup a day, divided into 3-4 gulps. If there is something going around or if I feel off I increase this up to a quart a day or more. If I stick at my maintenance dose when I start to feel yucky or fatigued I sometimes pop a fever blister, indicating to me that the maintenance dose is not enough. I don't think all the info is in on dose response with CS. But I can see some advantage for a commercial CS operation to promote the idea that very small quantities are all you need because they charge exhorbitant prices for their CS. Likely due to the cost of a commercial production set up and perhaps even to put some aside for legal costs? Making myself I have none of those expenses or concerns. So I use it liberally on myself and my animals. All of my dogs take it every day since we go to public events where there are other dogs. I simply see no reason not to be liberal with CS. I have had no signs of Candida Overgrowth in the year I have been taking CS at this level. I do not have any indications that it is doing anything but good for me and my family, furr kids and humans alike. Garnet On Sun, 2004-10-17 at 14:59, gallen4...@aol.com wrote: Garnet, Some time ago, like maybe a couple of years, there was quite a lengthy discussion of what PPM of CS is needed to cure something. As I remember, the conclusion was that ppm is largely irrelevant -- 2or3 ppm being as effective as 20 or 30. There is a technical name for this condition, but I don't remember it. Perhaps some of the technical people know what it is so that you could find the discussion in the archives. GeorgeA -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSPotency of EIS diluted
Homeopathic remedies are not just ultra diluted they are sucussed. A very specific maneuver not easily mimicked without a machine. It involves shaking in a manner that involves an impact at the end of each shake. Garnet On Sun, 2004-10-17 at 21:47, John Rigby wrote: Hi folks, A very interesting area and can be researched by following the subject of Homeopathy ( lots of evidence for it Matthew, but little understanding) and then consider this: The human body has remarkable inbuilt restorative/recuperative and manufacturing powers. It is assaulted by all sorts of foreign matter constantly and has to handle it internally for the most part. Many of the medicines we ingest or worse - inject - into that body vastly increase the work it has to do in its defence. While it is simpler to make sure it has the materials it needs to maintain itself, there is the belief ( carefully inculcated in us) that the Priest can make it all go away - for a price. Especially pain/discomfort. Reason by Ockham's suggests that dilution of most things reduces their toxicity and simply allows the body to do it.!! (More on offtopic list ) Subject: CSPotency of EIS diluted Hello, George, Perhaps the term you are seeking is oligodynamism, the phenomenon of dilution increasing potency. SNIP . I have seen no compelling evidence for this theory; nor have I seen evidence against it. Matthew -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSIs it really this quiet? GARNET
I get silver floaters in my CS when I go past 12 or 1 on the dial of my SG6. I make my own distilled water from well water. It does not light the conductance meter on the generator so I assume it is very pure. I think is more to do with the process of making a higher ppm CS. Maybe Trem or Mike or someone else could comment on why I get this when I try to make more concentrated CS. I also sometimes get a yellow tinge. I have not tried running it through twice. But it would be nice to know and to be able to make my distilled water go further by making higher ppm CS, but ten tastes better so I have not had a practical reason to look into it. Garnet On Sun, 2004-10-17 at 22:07, Dan Nave wrote: Re: CSIs it really this quiet? GARNET * From: Garnet wrote: * Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 09:29:15 I make 10 ppm CS but you can use what ever concentration CS you have on hand. It would make it more effective presumable to use a higher concentration CS but I get floaters when I go higher. I have not tried running the CS twice to see if I can get it higher because 10 ppm seems to be effective. What is this about floaters and high concentration CS? Why would this be? Dan -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSDMSO-DRAGON breath
I wonder if running DMSO through activated charcoal would take out the odorous component. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSBells Palsy
DMSO is a very good antinflammatory. Used orally or topically. I agree with the idea of compressing the area with DMSO CS, even adding some MSM. And would also do all three orally. I had Bell's Palsy when I was pregnant. Same symptoms, went to the ER and the doc met me there. She said it was due to the baby pressing on major nerves. It came and went for a few weeks. No virus involved, but I can see how a virus could cause pressure on the nerve and interfere with nerve function, effectively blocking the signal. I have had herpes on my mouth that made my whole face start throbbing up to my eyes. This was before I had started using CS. I took five 250 mg Olive Leaf capsules every hour for a coupel doses, then two hours for the rest of the day -- and anti-viral herbs like Lomatium and Hypericum (St John's Wort) to bring it and the nasty flu I had under control. I was feeling quite delerious and knew it was a bad flu bug that had super activated my herpes. I had it under control within a few hours. Sometimes you have to go with high doses and use what every antivirals are available. Glucagon is also useful as well as Colostrum. Donna at www.excellentthings.com has a fav brand of Transfer Factor, derived from Colostrum. Garnet On Mon, 2004-10-18 at 04:23, Dave Lewis wrote: Hi David, If it were me I would be taking anti-inflammatories. Steroids are a last resort in my book. If this is caused by a viral or bacterial infection you need your immune system to work at it's best. Steroids suppress the immune system.. I am not suggesting that this is your case, but one of the things said to cause bells palsy is HIV and AIDS. Imagine what would happen if you give an immune suppressant to someone with an already compromised immune system. Take a look at this link below. http://www.neurologychannel.com/bellspalsy/ http://www.patient.co.uk/showdoc/23068866/ I am not a doc, it is just my opinion and I am not telling you to stop any meds the doc has given you. I would keep taking whatever he has given you and go back and express the concern for the steroids. The use of steroids in Bells Palsy is said to aid the fullest recovery from the attack, but even then, it is still controversial. The other meds are possibly anti-virals. All the best and I hope you get better soon, Dave. -Original Message- From: David [mailto:davidgrave...@sbcglobal.net] Sent: 18 October 2004 03:36 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSBells Palsy I had scary thing happen to me today... the left side of my face stopped working... I can't blink my eye, the left side of my mouth kind of droops, and if I drink something I better keep it on the right side of my mouth or it is dribbled down my shirt. Anyway I thought I was having a stroke so I went to the emergency room and they did a cat scan and all the other things I have never had before and they tell me I have bells palsy. The good news is it that for most people it goes away within a couple months or so. They don't really know what causes it but some papers they gave me says that they think it might be caused by a virus. Has anyone in this group experienced Bells Palsy or know the best way to treat it in a holistic manner? They gave me steroids and and some other poison I really don't want to take. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance! David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSIs it really this quiet? NOW Changing Thread
Does the archive serach only check thread titles and not the body of the message? If it checks the body of the message then the thread title is not so important. I know on Yahoo it is suppose to check the message too, not just the title. But I have seen it only check recent messages and not pull up old ones? I do sometimes change subject titles while putting the old title in brackets. New Title [was xyz]. Garnet On Mon, 2004-10-18 at 07:15, j rigby wrote: At 01:55 PM 18/10/04, you wrote: No, sol, this does not work, as you can easily see by checking the archives. The previous thread broke as soon as j rigby changed the subject. Unfortunately, he did not check his post, and did not know his suggestion would not work: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Hi folks, ARRRGGHHH! Correct. I did not check as I couldn't expect THAT!. Aside from the oddity of this odd database, the object was actually to resolve the plea of the original writer: INTELLIGENT SUBJECTS. Of Course even though the Thread continuity was badly treated, it is still obviously visible as a pointer by the capitalised NOW and a more sane subject that is going to be at least basically searchable. Thus: Original Subject: MY Dog has a hangover, will CS Help? 3 messages later: Actual topic morphed into which is better state to live in for Welfare recipients? Could be restyled as: RE MY dog has hangover, will CS help NOW: Welfare Benefits. O.T. Cheers, Himagain -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSBells Palsy
The production of C Platinum is discussed on the C Gold list. Both use a High Voltage process. I have been planning on setting up a generator so keep myself supplied with CG, as it is pricey to buy. It looks pretty simple and while precautions need to be taken to turn off the power supply when adjusting electrodes (has to be done periodically during processing), most people can manage it quite well with the correct information. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cg_exchange Garnet On Mon, 2004-10-18 at 09:23, Marshall Dudley wrote: Can that be produced the same way as colloidal silver electrolytically? Marshall Frank Key wrote: David wrote: Has anyone in this group experienced Bells Palsy or know the best way to treat it in a holistic manner? The recovery time can be dramatically reduced by taking colloidal platinum. Dosage using 10 ppm platinum: One tablespoon 3-4 times a day on an empty stomach should do it. Frank Key -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSBells Palsy
Can that be produced the same way as colloidal silver electrolytically? Marshall Frank Key wrote: David wrote: Has anyone in this group experienced Bells Palsy or know the best way to treat it in a holistic manner? The recovery time can be dramatically reduced by taking colloidal platinum. Dosage using 10 ppm platinum: One tablespoon 3-4 times a day on an empty stomach should do it. Frank Key -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe: Subject: CSBells Palsy
My X had it, believed to have been caused by Neurontin. His diabetis doc put him on the neurontin for his neuropathy pain. ( off label use) Connie Subject: CSBells Palsy ___ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSHanna Meter Model Number
At 10:23 PM 10/16/2004 -0500, you wrote: Evening Ode, You made a lot of interesting points about instrumentation. But using conductivity to get PPM isn't exactly a valid way to do these things anyhow. Seems this point has been made before, by you and others. It's just better than not being able to afford to do it right. Without a federal grant, it is not economically feasible for most of us to implement this instrumentation, is that what you are saying? ## A colorometer aka colorphotospectrometer is probably the next best thing to an Atomic Absorption spectrometer starting at around $5,000. Used obsolete ones can be had for a lot less. I bought a used AA spec for $100 + $100 shipping and another couple of hundred for missing and silver specific parts and still don't know how to operate it. It's about the size of a small steamer trunk and some of them are as big as a refrigerator...a big refrigerator. It ain't a matter of 'dip and read' by any means. Some labs use a titration method and the results are all over the place...even worse than a PWT. [much worse?] It's better to do the job relatively badly than not at all, I suppose. Only one small question. Are there any steps between this low cost, ineffective attempt and the high dollar lab methods? No matter how hard anyone tries, EC and ppm are not the same, and it is only a simulation. In some cases, it is not even that when dealing with nutrients. We have had this same discussion thousands of time relative to plant nutrients. ## In CS, a PPM meter reading should be doubled [more or less] and taken 'as is' in a saline solution. Tell ya something? Some people bet the crop on EC. While EC is important, I prefer to calculate the ppm based on weight of nutrients added to a specific volume of water. With recirculating systems, it will be changed in 24 hours anyway. With a drip and drain to waste, a constant ppm can be maintained. Seems the environment people think we will destroy the earth by wasting a nutrient solution so weak that my dog drinks it. And I have too. It tastes lightly salty. Dogs seem to like salty foods almost as much as humans. Possibly the rain is as bad on the earth as a well balanced nutrient solution. When every grass, weed, and tree, grows like crazy from the waste solution, how can it be so bad? ### Depending on how much lightning was in that rain cloud, the amounts of nitric acid varies...along with whatever the acid reacts with on it's way out of the sky? I woudn't worry about weak nutrients too much. I hear that weed killers decompose into female hormone analogs and there are an awful lot of sterile hermaphroditic alligators in the Everglades now-a-days. Ode Wayne --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.776 / Virus Database: 523 - Release Date: 10/12/2004 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSHanna Meter Model Number
Tried what? If that's using Faradays equations, they're very good at telling how much silver left the electrode but don't tell you where it all went. [as in, how much is in the water vs stuck somewhere else.] The more deposits you have, the further off they'll be. It's a good ball park double check to see if other instruments are in the ball park. The whole reality is, ball park is way good enough because the CS is not and cannot be 'used' precisely. There are absolutely no reasonable doseage parameters available that include the very basic elements required to get a doseage parameter that means anything at all. The saving grace with CS is that it doesn't have to mean anything in order to do the job. It's almost impossible to screw up. IMO just tasting the CS is good enough to get a fair idea of what it's going to do and how much to use, where and for what. I mean, if it tastes like you want to make faces, it's rocket fuel. If you can barely taste it, it's probably around 5 PPM. Most people can't taste 1-3 PPM at all. ...but people want numbers, so generally, numbers get made up and validated by various inaccurate instruments and methods. Some come pretty close and some are WAY off and it still doesn't matter very much in 'practice'. It's been my experience that most labs only get to within +/- 10 or 20 PPM unless they specifically deal with silver ionic and colloidal mixes. If what you normally deal with is 200 to 10,000 [or whatever] PPM dissolved solids and salts, +/- 10 PPM is pretty good...good enough for government work...from a government water testing lab. Bottom line Dudes and Dudettes, go ahead and use the meters and get an 'idea'. An idea is plenty good enough for practical use...just not good enough to fuel any sort of arguement when no two meters read the same and don't directly measure PPM even if they do read the same. That is, any two meters that do read the same can still be off the mark by several PPM or uS. Meters suck, but so do vaccuum cleaners...some more than others. That doesn't mean they have no uses where it comes to chasing cats who don't need rulers on their tails in order to run. To a microbe, the silver bullets that don't kill it are irrelevent when all it takes is the one. Ode [Ken] At 11:51 PM 10/16/2004 -0400, you wrote: Re: CSHanna Meter Model Number From: David Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 19:51:35 Thank you Mike! Thank you, Dave. Please let me know if you try this and what kind of results you get. Ken tried it but wasn't too happy. Not sure why Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSHanna Meter Model Number
If you have 2 or more identical meters, place one in any solution that makes it read 20 uS or 10 PPM. Use that same meter to make a solution that reads half that and see if any of the other meters calibrated to read the same in the 20 uS solution agree within a full digit. Good luck. [Some do and some don't] The specifications seem to be written in doublespeak to 'not' reveal the actual limitations. The temperature factors in the calibration instructions are totally absent..took me a MONTH to figure out what was going on and what the temp compensation did, on what, so the reading didn't wander all over the place while trying to calibrate the meter. Hanna tech was no help at all. Clue: The temp compensation compensates for the temp of the meter...not the solution. BUT, the DIFFERENCE in temperatures affects both as the one heats or cools the other. [DON'T hold the little sachet in your hand or the reading will appear to never stop rising as your hand warms it up] Asking a Hanna techie a relevent question will get you a whole lot of silence...if they don't just imply that you are an idiot not qualified to ask questions. ..and Hanna meters are the 'good' ones. None of the meters are useless any more than actual exact PPM matters when final absortion, distribution and dilution factors are total unknowables. It simply doesn't matter how much shot is in the air when it only takes one pellet to get dinner. Putting a lot of shot up there just increases the odds that one will get the bird and all the misses fall out of the sky harmlessly. A meter tells you the gun is loaded...not where and how to aim or exactly how many shells are in it beyond what it takes to know the difference between making a little bit of noise and insisting that the cops show up to check your hunting license. Some people just glance into the magazine tube to see if the gun will fire at all...blaze away and reload when they hear it go click till they run out of birds in the sky. [Taste it..shine a laser through it etc. It is a shot shell or a cluster bomb?] Ammo is dirt cheap and they get just as stuffed at dinner time as the person who weighs every pellet. Ode At 09:53 PM 10/17/2004 -0500, you wrote: Ode and Mike, As you indicate, the range that we would use the PWT is at the lower end of the meter's range. The accuracy, when calibrated at full scale, along with the linearity of the response, makes the error large when compared to the smaller readings at the low end of the scale. I would suggest, then, that we increase the accuracy of the readings in the range that we will be using them. The way to do this is to calibrate the meter at the maximum uS reading that we are likely to encounter, say, between 25 to 30 uS. This will throw off the accuracy at readings substantially above this level, but will increase the accuracy between 0 and 30 uS. So, unless the linearity of the meter's response between 0 and 30 uS is particularly bad, we would approach an accuracy of near +/- 2% of full scale, with full scale being 20 or 30 uS (our new full scale value). If the linearity between 0 and 30 uS is particularly bad, then we will not achieve this accuracy, and the accuracy of the meter with normal calibration will also be bad; in short the meter would be useless for our purposes... Dan Re: CSHanna Meter Model Number * From: Mike Monett (view other messages by this author) * Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 06:48:15 Ken, thanks for the good info, especially on controlling temperature! As far as getting two units to agree, the spec is +/-2% of full scale. This means +/-2ppm, which means one unit could read 4 ppm higher or lower than another and they would still be in spec. A slight difference in temperature would increase the discrepancy. The problem is the units are design for higher conductivity than we typically get in cs, so our readings are at the bottom 20% of the range. This is the least accurate portion. Here's the specs from Hanna's site: Range : 0.1 to 99.9 uS/cm Resolution : 0.1 uS/cm Accuracy (@20C/68F) : +/-2% Full Scale http://www.hannainst.com/products/testers/pwt.htm Although individual units may differ by more than we would like, one would hope they would be consistent and repeatable. As far as I can determine from searching the archives, most people seem to feel the units are repeatable. I know you have posted seeing different results, but it is not clear what caused them. Best Wishes, Mike Monett -- -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to:
CSfloaters, chunkies and sparklies
If you make the CS very strong without cleaning the electrodes, more hydrogen bubbles form, more silver makes it to those hydrogen bubbles, gain an electron and turn into particles getting trapped in their surface tension whie making them conductive as they get close enough to touch each other so more hydrogen bubbles will form on 'those' hydrogen bubbles to trap more silver. [grey fuzzies] When you remove the silver coated bubble formation from the water the bubbles tend to pop, transfer their surface tension load to the surface tension of the water and you get floaters. If the bubble formation gets thick enough it may detach portions of itself from the electrode but have enough bouyancy due to the hydrogen to float to the top and pop some of the bubbles...transferring part of the silver load to the surface of the water and some to other bubbles..which get heavy enough to sink. Some of these chunkies go up, some down and some up, then down and some just float around. [A sparklie is a small chunkie.] The hydrogen in the silver coated bubbles that reach the bottom eventually dissolves into the water and release a white 'cloud' that dissipates into the water identical to an ion cloud [It's really a particle cloudyou can't see ions at all] Eventually, floaters sparklies and chunkies just go away on their own and increase the TE of the water. Sometimes a little bit of white dust will be left stuck to the bottom as well. [silver hydroxide?] Floaters are only a few microns thick but have some weight which creates a depression in the surface tension of the water. They consist of silver particles held together by gravity like marbles in a bowl and 'look' a whole LOT worse than they are. It amounts to very little actual silver. Dragging a piece of paper towel across the surface of the water attaches those particles to the towel almost invisibly. ..or, just stir them in. Swapping the polarity of the electrodes just blows all that stuff into the water...no big deal, but looks sorta ugly ... for a while. I find the best way to deal with floaters, sparklies and chunkies is to just let the CS sit still for a while and decant. Ode At 10:07 PM 10/17/2004 -0500, you wrote: Re: CSIs it really this quiet? GARNET * From: Garnet wrote: * Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 09:29:15 I make 10 ppm CS but you can use what ever concentration CS you have on hand. It would make it more effective presumable to use a higher concentration CS but I get floaters when I go higher. I have not tried running the CS twice to see if I can get it higher because 10 ppm seems to be effective. What is this about floaters and high concentration CS? Why would this be? Dan -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAntiquarian Epidemiology
Hi, Ode, What you say seems reasonable. Isaac Newton took a year off from his studies when his university shut down on account of plague. That's the year he did his best work! (no distractions.) I recall in Mel Gibson's movie Braveheart that the father of Robert the Bruce was depicted as a leper. Other instances of royalty leprosy would surely have made it into historic chronicles of the rich and powerful, but I can't think of any others. There is a story in the Bible (2nd Kings, I think) about a brilliant Aramean general who contracted leprosy. An Israelite prophet prescribed a cure - and the general almost refused it because it was just too simple! By a strange coincidence, silver and gold were involved in the story. Best regards, Matthew - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote To: Matthew McCann Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 9:04 AM Subject: Re: CSAntiquarian Epidemiology The association of the term blue bloods with silverware use is by no means an established fact. Another plausable explanation for the term could be that Fair skinned people who don't exposed themselves to the sun often have visibly blue looking veins. Some VERY fair skinned people I know do look a bit blue overall. Royalty doesn't often work out in the fields in the sun. I have yet to see any forensic documentation that any royal person had a argyria or even that having the condition is any sort of protection from disease. By definition, isn't the silver locked up in skin cells and immobilized silver essentially does nothing? With the advent of silver plating, hence drastically enhanced affordability and distribution of silver-ware, did the incidence of argryia go up? I think not. They may have had a lower incidence of plague simply because they could afford to stay far away from other people and their 'pet' rats. Historical record shows that many did just that. [They had the silver to pay for the vacation?] Many 'deities' are depicted as being blueish in color and the royal bloodlines are traditionally spoken of as being that of having some sort of relationship to a deity or the gods. In that respect, being 'called' a blueblood may well have nothing at all to do with actual hue...especially after a few generations. Ode At 07:18 PM 10/17/2004 -0400, you wrote: Hello, Members of the List, I work with people who serve periodically as missionaries in the Amazon basin where leprosy still occurs. They are not medical missionaries and have little or no contact with victims of Hansen's disease. Some have put a question to me about EIS, though. The term 'bluebloods' comes from the european nobles who escaped plagues such as the Black Death by using silver tableware. Did the bluebloods also escape leprosy? Some medieval people were keen enough observers to notice some relation between bubonic plague, rodents and a dearth of cats. Does anyone know if they noticed if silver drove away leprosy? Thanks in advance for your input. Matthew
Re: CSBells Palsy
I know the scary feeling very well. I have had it twice. The first time the doctor told me they didn't know what caused it but it would go away in two weeks by it's self,and it did without treatment. All I had to do was operate my eyelid manually until the eye would close again. After a lot of research on lyme disease ( that I suffered with for 42 years) I found that bells palsy is an indicator of Lyme disease. The strange thing was after I killed the Lyme off with CS I got it a second time. Neither time was it treated and It went away by It's self in two weeks. By the second time I was taking CS as a matter of course at about 8 Ozs. pr day and that didn't prevent it or shorten the time frame. Good Luck. Dave David wrote: I had scary thing happen to me today... the left side of my face stopped working... I can't blink my eye, the left side of my mouth kind of droops, and if I drink something I better keep it on the right side of my mouth or it is dribbled down my shirt. Anyway I thought I was having a stroke so I went to the emergency room and they did a cat scan and all the other things I have never had before and they tell me I have bells palsy. The good news is it that for most people it goes away within a couple months or so. They don't really know what causes it but some papers they gave me says that they think it might be caused by a virus. Has anyone in this group experienced Bells Palsy or know the best way to treat it in a holistic manner? They gave me steroids and and some other poison I really don't want to take. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance! David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSBells Palsy
Dave wrote: I know the scary feeling very well. I have had it twice. The first time the doctor told me they didn't know what caused it but it would go away in two weeks by it's self,and it did without treatment. All I had to do was operate my eyelid manually until the eye would close again. After a lot of research on lyme disease ( that I suffered with for 42 years) Where do you live? The spirokete that causes Lyme Disease was introduced into the US in New England until the late 80's. Before that it was in Europe, but not identified as such until it was identified in the US. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSBells Palsy
Marshall wrote: Can that be produced the same way as colloidal silver electrolytically? No, it can not be made by electrolysis. We make it by the Mesoprocess. There is no home method to make it that I am aware of. See: http://www.purestcolloids.com/mesoplatinum.htm Frank Key -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CS[List Owner] Comment...
Greetings my Silvery friends, and newcomers as well! The list has been a bit quieter than average lately and is starting to pick back up the last couple of days. In the interest of helping the newcomers get acquainted with things, and as a reminder for our regulars... Now is a good time to remember the rules of what's on vs. off topic and how much OT stuff is too much. Anybody can ask any reasonable health oriented question, and anyone may answer with any information that they feel might be helpful, even if it does not relate directly to Colloidal Silver. I only ask that non-CS discussions be kept brief, sufficient to introduce concepts and satisfy people's basic curiosity, and to point out important resources so they can delve further on their own. After that point, discussion should migrate to the Silver Off Topic List, other forums, or private e-mail. Some small amount of general friendly chatter and off-topic stuff is permissible, especially when things are quiet, for the entirely worthwhile purpose of making the place more welcoming and human. I only ask that you tone it down the more the traffic starts to pick up. Self- regulation is the ideal, here. Lastly, a few things are generally prohibited. They include: Commercial self-promotion and/or competition. A number of vendors participate here as private individuals. Those that have proven able to behave well have a fair degree of freedom. All others must contact me for approveal before posting anything that can be seen as commercial in nature. The creative use of signature lines is okay, unless I tell you otherwise! grin Politics is prohibited, except for the occasional one-post heads-up about major issues directly related to alternative health in general, or anything having direct impact on CS and closely related subjects. In general, most such discussions should be carried out on the OT list or elsewhere. Religion, spirituality, and most forms of paranormal esoterica are also prohibited as subject matter. I don't demand everybody completely de- God what they have to say, but that overt evangelism or blatant discussions of things that are likely to offend others simply be avoided. The occasional prayer request or God Bless as a greeting or in passing is certainly fine. Tolerance, generosity, and sensitivity are key to a successful mailing list. This community generally handles itself very well. You've helped many people, and saved some lives. I respect that, folks, deeply. Thank you for being here. Peace, Mike Devour Silver List owner [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSFloaters in CS
Hi Garnet, I believe the floaters are one atom thick and are floating because of surface tension so it appears like a lot but in actuality isn't. You may notice that they disappear when you pour the CS into another container. It's still only silver and water in the mix. I am unable to make colored CS with any of our automatic generators at the high setting. I use water we distill and also buy commercial DW to see how the store brands work. It always is crystal clear and colorless after production. As I've mentioned several times, we have CS that is well over 3 years old with no color change and a minimal drop in conductivity. I even have some that measures 45 uS which is still colorless. Best regards, Trem - Original Message - From: Garnet garnetri...@earthlink.net To: Silver List silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 6:57 AM Subject: Re: CSIs it really this quiet? GARNET I get silver floaters in my CS when I go past 12 or 1 on the dial of my SG6. I make my own distilled water from well water. It does not light the conductance meter on the generator so I assume it is very pure. I think is more to do with the process of making a higher ppm CS. Maybe Trem or Mike or someone else could comment on why I get this when I try to make more concentrated CS. I also sometimes get a yellow tinge. I have not tried running it through twice. But it would be nice to know and to be able to make my distilled water go further by making higher ppm CS, but ten tastes better so I have not had a practical reason to look into it. Garnet On Sun, 2004-10-17 at 22:07, Dan Nave wrote: Re: CSIs it really this quiet? GARNET * From: Garnet wrote: * Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 09:29:15 I make 10 ppm CS but you can use what ever concentration CS you have on hand. It would make it more effective presumable to use a higher concentration CS but I get floaters when I go higher. I have not tried running the CS twice to see if I can get it higher because 10 ppm seems to be effective. What is this about floaters and high concentration CS? Why would this be? Dan -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSBells Palsy
I contacted it in Germany in 1957 and was hospitalized in hidelberg along with 10 other solders as they ran every test they could think of with no diagnosis of anything, just one of those mysteries. I got the arithma migrans rash every 6 to 8 years as well as feeling like hell without any doctor diagnosing the problem until after I had researched and self diagnosed. Then as luck would have it I got the rash again and insisted they test me for Lyme. The test came back positive and the rash at the same time made a positive diagnosis. They got all excited and wanted to bombard me with ABs as if I had just contacted it, telling me they could stop it if caught early. I opted for CS and more or less cured it in three days. Marshall Dudley wrote: Dave wrote: I know the scary feeling very well. I have had it twice. The first time the doctor told me they didn't know what caused it but it would go away in two weeks by it's self,and it did without treatment. All I had to do was operate my eyelid manually until the eye would close again. After a lot of research on lyme disease ( that I suffered with for 42 years) Where do you live? The spirokete that causes Lyme Disease was introduced into the US in New England until the late 80's. Before that it was in Europe, but not identified as such until it was identified in the US. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSQuestion about infra red therapy
http://www.expo-net.org/led/arrays.htm Probably the least expensive way to go. V can customize to some degree as well if you email him what you are looking for. I have the dual array and it has helped my back a few times. Steve -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSBells Palsy
Several on the CG_Exchange list have made CPlatinum with thier home made high voltage generators. As well there is a CG Generator available from Inspiral Technologies that will make it at home. Perhaps you would like to check out the list archives in your spare (:-) time Frank. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cg_exchange Garnet On Mon, 2004-10-18 at 11:03, Frank Key wrote: Marshall wrote: Can that be produced the same way as colloidal silver electrolytically? No, it can not be made by electrolysis. We make it by the Mesoprocess. There is no home method to make it that I am aware of. See: http://www.purestcolloids.com/mesoplatinum.htm Frank Key -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSFloaters
Sorry, when you referred to floaters, I thought you meant floaters in the eye... As Rosanna Rosanadanna would say, Never Mind... Dan Re: CSIs it really this quiet? GARNET From: Garnet (view other messages by this author) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 07:12:15 I get silver floaters in my CS when I go past 12 or 1 on the dial of my SG6. I make my own distilled water from well water. It does not light the conductance meter on the generator so I assume it is very pure. I think is more to do with the process of making a higher ppm CS. Maybe Trem or Mike or someone else could comment on why I get this when I try to make more concentrated CS. I also sometimes get a yellow tinge. I have not tried running it through twice. But it would be nice to know and to be able to make my distilled water go further by making higher ppm CS, but ten tastes better so I have not had a practical reason to look into it. Garnet On Sun, 2004-10-17 at 22:07, Dan Nave wrote: Re: CSIs it really this quiet? GARNET * From: Garnet wrote: * Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 09:29:15 I make 10 ppm CS but you can use what ever concentration CS you have on hand. It would make it more effective presumable to use a higher concentration CS but I get floaters when I go higher. I have not tried running the CS twice to see if I can get it higher because 10 ppm seems to be effective. What is this about floaters and high concentration CS? Why would this be? Dan -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFloaters in CS
CSFloaters in CS From: Trem (view other messages by this author) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 09:30:36 http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m74101.html Hi Garnet, I believe the floaters are one atom thick and are floating because of surface tension so it appears like a lot but in actuality isn't. You may notice that they disappear when you pour the CS into another container. It's still only silver and water in the mix. I am unable to make colored CS with any of our automatic generators at the high setting. I use water we distill and also buy commercial DW to see how the store brands work. It always is crystal clear and colorless after production. As I've mentioned several times, we have CS that is well over 3 years old with no color change and a minimal drop in conductivity. I even have some that measures 45 uS which is still colorless. Best regards, Trem Trem, 45uS implies 45 ppm - this is twice the value most people get before the cs starts turning yellow! Do you recall anything about how it was made? Can you make it again? Do you think there may be something else in the cs that could be throwing the Hanna off? Is there a possibility something was in the dw that didn't show up during the brew, but increased the conductivity and makes the Hanna read high? Finally, isn't there a circuit that measures the voltage across the cell and shuts the generator off when it reaches the desired conductivity? If so, how did the 45 ppm cs make it past the shutoff setting? Any info you can give would be much appreciated! On the floaters - I get them all the time, but they don't disappear when I pour the cs into another container. They often break through the surface tension and sink to the bottom. If I add H2O2, they give off bubbles slowly for days or weeks. If I add some more H2O2 after they stop, they start again. There may be bubbles that seem to form from nothing on the side or bottom. This tells me the reaction of H2O2 on pure silver is very slow, unlike the reaction with silver oxide, which fizzes and bubbles. Best Wishes, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSBells Palsy
Hi David, You could tweak your toes, usually on the opposite side to the affliction. concentrate your work on the tips and the balls of the toes, quite hard; enough to get you to say 'ouch' The work is not so much a rub as it is a press in and roll slightly. But also work the neck of each toe and and the top and side of each toe too. This should cause re-establishment of nerve pathways in your head and face. Also you can tweak the fingers in the same manner as above. The really sore spots are what need the most work :) Usually these are tiny pinprick areas. All the best, Tony On 17 Oct 2004 at 19:36, David wrote: I had scary thing happen to me today... the left side of my face stopped working... I can't blink my eye, the left side of my mouth kind of droops, and if I drink something I better keep it on the right side of my mouth or it is dribbled down my shirt. Anyway I thought I was having a stroke so I went to the emergency room and they did a cat scan and all the other things I have never had before and they tell me I have bells palsy. The good news is it that for most people it goes away within a couple months or so. They don't really know what causes it but some papers they gave me says that they think it might be caused by a virus. Has anyone in this group experienced Bells Palsy or know the best way to treat it in a holistic manner? They gave me steroids and and some other poison I really don't want to take. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance! David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSchanging subject, breaking threads
Too bad, it would be nice to have a way to clarify a subject without breaking a thread. So I guess I will go back to not changing headers. I find that often even if the subject header becomes or starts inaccurate, there is still some content applying to the original post, so an archive search of a keyword in the body of the message(s) will bring the whole thread, and that is probably a good thing. sol P.S. Mike you are a flatterer, you are! Mike Monett wrote: Re: CSIs it really this quiet? NOW Changing Thread So the trick is to put the changed subject AFTER the original, but NOT before it as in : Now Changing Thread, was Re:CSIs it really this quiet? sol No, sol, this does not work, as you can easily see by checking the archives. The previous thread broke as soon as j rigby changed the subject. Unfortunately, he did not check his post, and did not know his suggestion would not work: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Any change you make to the subject line starts a new thread. There is no connection to any previous thread whatsoever. Of course, you can change the subject any time you want - people tend to read the posts of their favorite authors and disregard those who merely waste our time. So I guess you know that I read your posts:) -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSFloaters in CS
Hi Mike, I made that particular batch on June 21, 2001 when I was designing the SG7 Pro and was using different current ranges to see what the relationship to current density versus production speed versus end product quality was. That batch was made using 30 milliamps and four electrodes 1.5 inches by 6 inches spaced .5 inches apart and wetted to about 5.25 inches. The electrodes were paired so that numbers 1 and 3 were connected together and numbers 2 and 4 were connected together. When current was applied odd ones were positive and the even ones were negative. I reversed the polarity ever 45 seconds as I recall. Stirring was done using a submergible fountain pump. Stirring was vigorous. My recollection is that I used water distilled with our Barnstead still. Conductivity is usually around 1.0 uS. I sometimes buy store brands to see what their readings are and to get a reference point. They usually read about 1.5 to 2.0 uS. This is the same setup I use today for the SG7 Pro. Starting voltage is around 75 volts. I also made some at 50 milliamps using 8 electrodes around the same time period. It's 30 uS and is still clear and colorless. I cannot remember the last time any CS turned yellow with our stirring models. I can make it yellow with the SG5 but it doesn't stir. I use a current limiter and when the voltage drop across the electrodes equals the setting on the PPM dial a comparator senses that and shuts the generator off. I stop the pump when I think about it. Sometimes most of a day goes by before I notice the pump is still running. Once voltage is removed from the electrodes stirring doesn't affect the CS. I make gallon+ batches almost every day and don't decant, I have a spigot in the container located near the bottom and just drain the CS into gallon DW bottles. I've never seen any silver in the water or seen any floaters when pouring out of the jugs. I assume they have fallen apart from the force of draining through the spigot and are in the water. Using a laser pointer doesn't show any sparklers so they must have gone to the bottom as you say. Or ??? In any case they aren't visible. I have had some customers want the units calibrated to at least 30 PPM so I crank the upper PPM shutoff setting higher but always give them the caveat if it turns yellow don't turn the dial so high. But I don't get feedback telling me they have any problems with agglomeration so I guess it works for them just as it did for me. I normally calibrate them to 20+ PPM. I hope this helps. Best regards, Trem - Original Message - From: Mike Monett qjpcgiupu...@spammotel.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 10:37 AM Subject: Re: CSFloaters in CS CSFloaters in CS From: Trem (view other messages by this author) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 09:30:36 http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m74101.html Hi Garnet, I believe the floaters are one atom thick and are floating because of surface tension so it appears like a lot but in actuality isn't. You may notice that they disappear when you pour the CS into another container. It's still only silver and water in the mix. I am unable to make colored CS with any of our automatic generators at the high setting. I use water we distill and also buy commercial DW to see how the store brands work. It always is crystal clear and colorless after production. As I've mentioned several times, we have CS that is well over 3 years old with no color change and a minimal drop in conductivity. I even have some that measures 45 uS which is still colorless. Best regards, Trem Trem, 45uS implies 45 ppm - this is twice the value most people get before the cs starts turning yellow! Do you recall anything about how it was made? Can you make it again? Do you think there may be something else in the cs that could be throwing the Hanna off? Is there a possibility something was in the dw that didn't show up during the brew, but increased the conductivity and makes the Hanna read high? Finally, isn't there a circuit that measures the voltage across the cell and shuts the generator off when it reaches the desired conductivity? If so, how did the 45 ppm cs make it past the shutoff setting? Any info you can give would be much appreciated! On the floaters - I get them all the time, but they don't disappear when I pour the cs into another container. They often break through the surface tension and sink to the bottom. If I add H2O2, they give off bubbles slowly for days or weeks. If I add some more H2O2 after they stop, they start again. There may be bubbles that seem to form from nothing on the side or bottom. This tells me the reaction of H2O2 on pure silver is very slow, unlike the reaction with silver oxide, which fizzes and bubbles. Best Wishes,
Re: CSBells Palsy
Consider biofeedback, someone with a ROSHI instrument 626.577.2202. - Original Message - From: David davidgrave...@sbcglobal.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2004 9:09 PM Subject: Re: CSBells Palsy Thanks Dan, Whats strange is I have been doing more then my usual CS because I came down with a cold on monday. My normal dose of CS is 16 oz a day so I was very suprised I got a cold at all! The cold was pretty much gone by Wed ( I was also using my clark zapper) then this happened today. I will go and see if I can find some DMSO tomorrow. After reading all of Garnet's posts about DMSO I was thinking that was a good idea. Thanks again for your advice! David --- Dan Nave na...@comcast.net wrote: If I had Bell's Palsy I would be chugging mass quantities of CS. I would also be spraying CS in my eyes. I would get a quantity of CS to which I would add 10% DMSO and put it into my ear and saturate a cloth with it and place it over the whole side of my face/head and keep it wet with the solution. Several times a day at the extreme minimum. If I had a zapper (which I do) I would use it immediately, and often. ASAP Dan PS Just my opinion... CSBells Palsy * From: David wrote: * Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 19:40:40 I had scary thing happen to me today... the left side of my face stopped working... I can't blink my eye, the left side of my mouth kind of droops, and if I drink something I better keep it on the right side of my mouth or it is dribbled down my shirt. Anyway I thought I was having a stroke so I went to the emergency room and they did a cat scan and all the other things I have never had before and they tell me I have bells palsy. The good news is it that for most people it goes away within a couple months or so. They don't really know what causes it but some papers they gave me says that they think it might be caused by a virus. Has anyone in this group experienced Bells Palsy or know the best way to treat it in a holistic manner? They gave me steroids and and some other poison I really don't want to take. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance! David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFloaters in CS
Hi Trem, Yes, thank you very much. Your parameters are very interesting and I would like to study them more carefully. Can your give the exact volume of dw and the brew times? You probably won't see any floaters with the vigorous stirring - they are very fragile and would be blown away. Also, reversing polarity would likely prevent any buildup. With a starting voltage of 75 volts, you must be running fairly high current density. Also, this would require a discrete current source since no integrated current regulator I know of will handle more than about 36 volts between input and output. Is this true? The high voltage seems to indicate you are running at higher current density than most cs generators. The Nernst diffusion layer should be quite dense, and there should be a lot of combination of Ag+ and OH- ions at both electrodes. This produces the neutral silver oxide particles that agglomerate and cause yellowing, as well as a strong Tyndall. Some of the reactions are: Ag+ + OH- -- AgOH AgOH + AgOH -- 2AgO + H2O The Nernst diffusion layer must concentrate the ions to quite high density to allow this reaction. I have allowed a glass containing 1 inch of 20 ppm cs to evaporate down to 1/8 inch (took weeks!), and it remained clear with no hint of color. The final ppm must have been at least 20 * 8 = 160ppm. The salt test showed enormous flakes of silver chloride that were visible without a microscope. So it takes even higher concentration than this to convert significant numbers of ions to the various silver oxides. With the three nines process, the exponential current rise produces very density at the end of the brew which limits the ppm to 10 to 12 or so. Using lower current density allows higher ppm, perhaps up to 22ppm before significant yellowing starts. So the vigorous stirring in your system may disrupt the Nernst layer enough to reduce the conversion to oxides, and you get no yellowing. This is very significant! Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSquestion
Hi. sorry not to have participated much, but i am a newcomer with a question. I ordered some silver from 2 different supliers, one states it is ionic in a clear bottle and is `00 ppm . The other is 10ppm and is in a dark bottle, both were recommmended by members of this list, for which i am very gratefull. What i want to know is do i take more or less of the 100ppm one and is ionic different. If it is how is it different? Tjaking you in advance wishes friends Sue in England From: "M. G. Devour" mdev...@eskimo.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CS[List Owner] Comment... Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 16:18:29 -5 Greetings my Silvery friends, and newcomers as well! The list has been a bit quieter than average lately and is starting to pick back up the last couple of days. In the interest of helping the newcomers get acquainted with things, and as a reminder for our regulars... Now is a good time to remember the rules of what's on vs. off topic and how much OT stuff is too much. Anybody can ask any reasonable health oriented question, and anyone may answer with any information that they feel might be helpful, even if it does not relate directly to Colloidal Silver. I only ask that non-CS discussions be kept brief, sufficient to introduce concepts and satisfy people's basic curiosity, and to point out important resources so they can delve further on their own. After that point, discussion should migrate to the Silver Off Topic List, other forums, or private e-mail. Some small amount of general friendly chatter and off-topic stuff is permissible, especially when things are quiet, for the entirely worthwhile purpose of making the place more welcoming and human. I only ask that you tone it down the more the traffic starts to pick up. Self- regulation is the ideal, here. Lastly, a few things are generally prohibited. They include: Commercial self-promotion and/or competition. A number of vendors participate here as private individuals. Those that have proven able to behave well have a fair degree of freedom. All others must contact me for approveal before posting anything that can be seen as commercial in nature. The creative use of signature lines is okay, unless I tell you otherwise! grin Politics is prohibited, except for the occasional one-post heads-up about major issues directly related to alternative health in general, or anything having direct impact on CS and closely related subjects. In general, most such discussions should be carried out on the OT list or elsewhere. Religion, spirituality, and most forms of paranormal esoterica are also prohibited as subject matter. I don't demand everybody completely de- God what they have to say, but that overt evangelism or blatant discussions of things that are likely to offend others simply be avoided. The occasional prayer request or "God Bless" as a greeting or in passing is certainly fine. Tolerance, generosity, and sensitivity are key to a successful mailing list. This community generally handles itself very well. You've helped many people, and saved some lives. I respect that, folks, deeply. Thank you for being here. Peace, Mike Devour Silver List owner [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSChemicals and process to make the chrome mirror thingy inside glass,
Thanks Marshall! You are always so helpful. Ken B. - Do you Yahoo!? vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today!
Re: CSchanging subject, breaking threads
CSchanging subject, breaking threads From: sol Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 11:14:57 http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m74108.html Too bad, it would be nice to have a way to clarify a subject without breaking a thread. So I guess I will go back to not changing headers. I find that often even if the subject header becomes or starts inaccurate, there is still some content applying to the original post, so an archive search of a keyword in the body of the message(s) will bring the whole thread, and that is probably a good thing. sol P.S. Mike you are a flatterer, you are! Hi sol, Actually, changing the subject line can be a good idea, as shown here. It's hard to tell sometimes when it's appropriate - and sometimes you are plain just too busy to think of it. I don't think it matters much - most threads change topics back and forth so quickly it would be difficult to follow if everyone kept changing the subject line:) I subscribe to the digest and erase it as soon as it arrives. I read the interesting posts in the archives at: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html This makes it easy to spot the valuable posts, and if someone mentions something I'd like to learn more about, the search function is right there at the top of the page. The only trouble is with about 74,000 posts, you can spend a lot more time reading interesting threads than you wanted to:) How is your cough doing? Have you had time to think of increasing the ppm, or does that sound like a silly idea for some reason? Actually, maybe it's my imagination, but I seem to be reading more posts from people talking about infections that are resistant to cs. I ran into the same thing with a residual infection from Shingles. The 10ppm cs from 3 nines just wouldn't kill it, but it disappeared three days after I tried my first 20ppm cs. I think the reason is I am simply getting older, and the immune system just needs stronger cs to cope with infections. Hope you are feeling better! Best Wishes, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSBells Palsy
Interesting that you mention Germany: on a Japanese TV program not long ago, I saw a German motorcyclist -- a camping/tourer type -- who had been completely paralyzed by the bite of a tick.This fellow was traveling with a woman who was not ill, which gave at least some clue that his problem was not from food or water ingested. Bit of a long story. . . . He largely recovered, but his affliction evidently mystified the doctors for some time. He was a profoundly sick man.Maybe the ticks in Germany are more virulent? I know little about this topic. JBB On Tuesday, Oct 19, 2004, at 01:34 Asia/Tokyo, Dave wrote: I contacted it in Germany in 1957 and was hospitalized in hidelberg along with 10 other solders as they ran every test they could think of with no diagnosis of anything, just one of those mysteries. I got the arithma migrans rash every 6 to 8 years as well as feeling like hell without any doctor diagnosing the problem until after I had researched and self diagnosed. Then as luck would have it I got the rash again and insisted they test me for Lyme. The test came back positive and the rash at the same time made a positive diagnosis. They got all excited and wanted to bombard me with ABs as if I had just contacted it, telling me they could stop it if caught early. I opted for CS and more or less cured it in three days. Marshall Dudley wrote: Dave wrote: I know the scary feeling very well. I have had it twice. The first time the doctor told me they didn't know what caused it but it would go away in two weeks by it's self,and it did without treatment. All I had to do was operate my eyelid manually until the eye would close again. After a lot of research on lyme disease ( that I suffered with for 42 years) Where do you live? The spirokete that causes Lyme Disease was introduced into the US in New England until the late 80's. Before that it was in Europe, but not identified as such until it was identified in the US. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSBells Palsy
I have bell's palsey and have had it 18 years. Do yourself a favor...take the steroids. So far it's the only thing that helps. There is no surgery, no exercises and no other medication that I know of that will take care of it. Sincerely, Kris [Original Message] From: David davidgrave...@sbcglobal.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: 10/17/2004 7:36:14 PM Subject: CSBells Palsy I had scary thing happen to me today... the left side of my face stopped working... I can't blink my eye, the left side of my mouth kind of droops, and if I drink something I better keep it on the right side of my mouth or it is dribbled down my shirt. Anyway I thought I was having a stroke so I went to the emergency room and they did a cat scan and all the other things I have never had before and they tell me I have bells palsy. The good news is it that for most people it goes away within a couple months or so. They don't really know what causes it but some papers they gave me says that they think it might be caused by a virus. Has anyone in this group experienced Bells Palsy or know the best way to treat it in a holistic manner? They gave me steroids and and some other poison I really don't want to take. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance! David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSBells Palsy
I was bent over with horrendous stomach cramps and at first they thought it was food poisoning but that didn't prove out. It was a hot summer day and my teeth were chattering so bad I thought I might break them. The symptoms lasted a week then the rash appeared and they had no idea what that was either as it didn't itch. Our good doctors over here would have called it exema and given some salve to ease the itching even if there wasn't any. (that's what happened on the last rash incident before the tests came back) Lyme disease is a very tenacious disease and it manifests itself in a multitude of symptoms that mimic many different diseases. If you keep it long enough it goes neurological and effects your ability to express yourself and in my case made me dumber than a stump. I kicked it a few years ago and am improving very slowly but I still have a hard time holding my own in a one on one conversation. Dave Jonathan B. Britten wrote: Interesting that you mention Germany: on a Japanese TV program not long ago, I saw a German motorcyclist -- a camping/tourer type -- who had been completely paralyzed by the bite of a tick.This fellow was traveling with a woman who was not ill, which gave at least some clue that his problem was not from food or water ingested. Bit of a long story. . . . He largely recovered, but his affliction evidently mystified the doctors for some time. He was a profoundly sick man.Maybe the ticks in Germany are more virulent? I know little about this topic. JBB On Tuesday, Oct 19, 2004, at 01:34 Asia/Tokyo, Dave wrote: I contacted it in Germany in 1957 and was hospitalized in hidelberg along with 10 other solders as they ran every test they could think of with no diagnosis of anything, just one of those mysteries. I got the arithma migrans rash every 6 to 8 years as well as feeling like hell without any doctor diagnosing the problem until after I had researched and self diagnosed. Then as luck would have it I got the rash again and insisted they test me for Lyme. The test came back positive and the rash at the same time made a positive diagnosis. They got all excited and wanted to bombard me with ABs as if I had just contacted it, telling me they could stop it if caught early. I opted for CS and more or less cured it in three days. Marshall Dudley wrote: Dave wrote: I know the scary feeling very well. I have had it twice. The first time the doctor told me they didn't know what caused it but it would go away in two weeks by it's self,and it did without treatment. All I had to do was operate my eyelid manually until the eye would close again. After a lot of research on lyme disease ( that I suffered with for 42 years) Where do you live? The spirokete that causes Lyme Disease was introduced into the US in New England until the late 80's. Before that it was in Europe, but not identified as such until it was identified in the US. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSBells Palsy
There is a syndrome (not uncommon in the US) called tick paralysis. Symptoms reside quickly when the tick is removed. Otherwise it can proceed to death... Dr. Kenney -Original Message- From: Jonathan B. Britten [mailto:jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp] Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 5:37 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSBells Palsy Interesting that you mention Germany: on a Japanese TV program not long ago, I saw a German motorcyclist -- a camping/tourer type -- who had been completely paralyzed by the bite of a tick.This fellow was traveling with a woman who was not ill, which gave at least some clue that his problem was not from food or water ingested. Bit of a long story. . . . He largely recovered, but his affliction evidently mystified the doctors for some time. He was a profoundly sick man.Maybe the ticks in Germany are more virulent? I know little about this topic. JBB On Tuesday, Oct 19, 2004, at 01:34 Asia/Tokyo, Dave wrote: I contacted it in Germany in 1957 and was hospitalized in hidelberg along with 10 other solders as they ran every test they could think of with no diagnosis of anything, just one of those mysteries. I got the arithma migrans rash every 6 to 8 years as well as feeling like hell without any doctor diagnosing the problem until after I had researched and self diagnosed. Then as luck would have it I got the rash again and insisted they test me for Lyme. The test came back positive and the rash at the same time made a positive diagnosis. They got all excited and wanted to bombard me with ABs as if I had just contacted it, telling me they could stop it if caught early. I opted for CS and more or less cured it in three days. Marshall Dudley wrote: Dave wrote: I know the scary feeling very well. I have had it twice. The first time the doctor told me they didn't know what caused it but it would go away in two weeks by it's self,and it did without treatment. All I had to do was operate my eyelid manually until the eye would close again. After a lot of research on lyme disease ( that I suffered with for 42 years) Where do you live? The spirokete that causes Lyme Disease was introduced into the US in New England until the late 80's. Before that it was in Europe, but not identified as such until it was identified in the US. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSfloaters, chunkies and sparklies
Evening Ode, Swapping the polarity of the electrodes just blows all that stuff into the water...no big deal, but looks sorta ugly ... for a while. I have been following all this with interest not sure whether I am being educated or confused. If the polarity swapping was of great value, it could be automated by circuit design, could it not? The interval of the reversing could even be variable. Seems some experimenting soul would have done it already. Wayne --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.778 / Virus Database: 525 - Release Date: 10/15/2004
CSresidual cough, higher ppm CS, was Re: CSchanging subject, breaking threads
Mike, I have just brewed up some higher ppm EIS, haven't started with it yet. 10-12 ppm was working extremely well for me for a long time. I don't know why simply using more of the 10 ppm didn't work as well as 20 ppm. However a quart a day of 10 ppm or so did not shorten the life of the cold. Any idea why a quart of 10 ppm wouldn't equal a pint of 20 ppm? Were you using more of the lower ppm and less of the 20 ppm for your shingles? Still have the cough. Still no secondary infections. I've now dropped back to my normal daily intake/use of EIS, but am spraying my hands and eyes very religiously. Don't want to let another bug slip past. In retrospect several things combined to allow this oneone good thing to come of this for me was the suggestion for Oregano oil, looking it up, it is said to be a good substitute for Caprylic acid for candida. It was a real shock to get such a bad cold, and not be able to stop it. Here it is, going into the 4th week and the dregs and the cough are still lingering. It does make me wonder what the heck kind of supercold this was/is. A couple of months into using EIS, before starting the misting with it, a cold got me, but all I did then was swish and hold EIS in my mouth as long as possible, every 15 min for 4 hours, and that turned it around, though it lasted the typical 7 days..now that I reflect, that was higher ppm EIS, much closer to 20 ppm than what I've been making the past year. Apparently for some people or some bugs, higher ppm IS better. (Mike D also suggested upping the ppm). I had dropped the ppm as it is faster and easier to keep it clear by keeping it closer to 10 ppm. Perhaps not a good idea. sol Mike Monett wrote: How is your cough doing? Have you had time to think of increasing the ppm, or does that sound like a silly idea for some reason? Actually, maybe it's my imagination, but I seem to be reading more posts from people talking about infections that are resistant to cs. I ran into the same thing with a residual infection from Shingles. The 10ppm cs from 3 nines just wouldn't kill it, but it disappeared three days after I tried my first 20ppm cs. I think the reason is I am simply getting older, and the immune system just needs stronger cs to cope with infections. Hope you are feeling better! Best Wishes, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSresidual cough, higher ppm CS, was Re: CSchanging subject, breaking threads
Are you nebulizing, with an actual nebulizer, DMSO and CS. That made a big difference for me when first getting on CS. Since I take it every day I seem to be not getting any colds or flus although I have had a fever blister or two try to come up, but with DMSO CS those dry up immeidately as well. I can not think of any reason twice as much 10 ppm would not be as effective as 20 ppm. But heck, why should it follow reason? Have you tried mixing it with Gatorade or oral DMSO? Seems to me that pervention is far easier than cure. Thyme oil is also a great EO to use with Oregano. My dog had a fungus on his face near his mouth. Even DMSO and CS did not control it. But Thyme and Oregano oil did, maybe because it stayed there longer when the DMSO and CS was rapidly absorbed. Garnet On Mon, 2004-10-18 at 22:42, sol wrote: Mike, I have just brewed up some higher ppm EIS, haven't started with it yet. 10-12 ppm was working extremely well for me for a long time. I don't know why simply using more of the 10 ppm didn't work as well as 20 ppm. However a quart a day of 10 ppm or so did not shorten the life of the cold. Any idea why a quart of 10 ppm wouldn't equal a pint of 20 ppm? Were you using more of the lower ppm and less of the 20 ppm for your shingles? Still have the cough. Still no secondary infections. I've now dropped back to my normal daily intake/use of EIS, but am spraying my hands and eyes very religiously. Don't want to let another bug slip past. In retrospect several things combined to allow this oneone good thing to come of this for me was the suggestion for Oregano oil, looking it up, it is said to be a good substitute for Caprylic acid for candida. It was a real shock to get such a bad cold, and not be able to stop it. Here it is, going into the 4th week and the dregs and the cough are still lingering. It does make me wonder what the heck kind of supercold this was/is. A couple of months into using EIS, before starting the misting with it, a cold got me, but all I did then was swish and hold EIS in my mouth as long as possible, every 15 min for 4 hours, and that turned it around, though it lasted the typical 7 days..now that I reflect, that was higher ppm EIS, much closer to 20 ppm than what I've been making the past year. Apparently for some people or some bugs, higher ppm IS better. (Mike D also suggested upping the ppm). I had dropped the ppm as it is faster and easier to keep it clear by keeping it closer to 10 ppm. Perhaps not a good idea. sol Mike Monett wrote: How is your cough doing? Have you had time to think of increasing the ppm, or does that sound like a silly idea for some reason? Actually, maybe it's my imagination, but I seem to be reading more posts from people talking about infections that are resistant to cs. I ran into the same thing with a residual infection from Shingles. The 10ppm cs from 3 nines just wouldn't kill it, but it disappeared three days after I tried my first 20ppm cs. I think the reason is I am simply getting older, and the immune system just needs stronger cs to cope with infections. Hope you are feeling better! Best Wishes, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSBells Palsy
Yes, what you say corresponds with my recollection: that the man's recovery began when doctor's found the tick on his body, between his toes or some such location. JBB On Tuesday, Oct 19, 2004, at 11:27 Asia/Tokyo, David W Kenney wrote: There is a syndrome (not uncommon in the US) called tick paralysis. Symptoms reside quickly when the tick is removed. Otherwise it can proceed to death... Dr. Kenney -Original Message- From: Jonathan B. Britten [mailto:jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp] Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 5:37 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSBells Palsy Interesting that you mention Germany: on a Japanese TV program not long ago, I saw a German motorcyclist -- a camping/tourer type -- who had been completely paralyzed by the bite of a tick.This fellow was traveling with a woman who was not ill, which gave at least some clue that his problem was not from food or water ingested. Bit of a long story. . . . He largely recovered, but his affliction evidently mystified the doctors for some time. He was a profoundly sick man.Maybe the ticks in Germany are more virulent? I know little about this topic. JBB On Tuesday, Oct 19, 2004, at 01:34 Asia/Tokyo, Dave wrote: I contacted it in Germany in 1957 and was hospitalized in hidelberg along with 10 other solders as they ran every test they could think of with no diagnosis of anything, just one of those mysteries. I got the arithma migrans rash every 6 to 8 years as well as feeling like hell without any doctor diagnosing the problem until after I had researched and self diagnosed. Then as luck would have it I got the rash again and insisted they test me for Lyme. The test came back positive and the rash at the same time made a positive diagnosis. They got all excited and wanted to bombard me with ABs as if I had just contacted it, telling me they could stop it if caught early. I opted for CS and more or less cured it in three days. Marshall Dudley wrote: Dave wrote: I know the scary feeling very well. I have had it twice. The first time the doctor told me they didn't know what caused it but it would go away in two weeks by it's self,and it did without treatment. All I had to do was operate my eyelid manually until the eye would close again. After a lot of research on lyme disease ( that I suffered with for 42 years) Where do you live? The spirokete that causes Lyme Disease was introduced into the US in New England until the late 80's. Before that it was in Europe, but not identified as such until it was identified in the US. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSfloaters, chunkies and sparklies
My generator switches polarity every 55 seconds electronicly and doesn't use stirring. I get 22 ppm of clear CS. I decant by the use of a sun tea jar with a spiggot on the side. You just set it and forget it. No filtering or wipeing the electrodes. Dave Wayne Fugitt wrote: Evening Ode, Swapping the polarity of the electrodes just blows all that stuff into the water...no big deal, but looks sorta ugly ... for a while. I have been following all this with interest not sure whether I am being educated or confused. If the polarity swapping was of great value, it could be automated by circuit design, could it not? The interval of the reversing could even be variable. Seems some experimenting soul would have done it already. Wayne --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.778 / Virus Database: 525 - Release Date: 10/15/2004 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSresidual cough, higher ppm CS
Evening Sol, Still have the cough. Still no secondary infections. I hope you did not overlook Cayenne Pepper and Honey. While this works as a cough suppressant, it does much more. About two weeks ago, I had a bug like about 500 other people around. I had a fever of 102 for about 36 hours. When I felt the worst, 3 tsp of Cayenne Pepper, Honey, and lemon juice would actually make me feel better. I went thru so much of this stuff, I was worrying about an overdose. Not the honey and lemon juice, but the Cayenne Pepper. Still not sure what is the Max Daily Allowance, but it is a LOT. Most people overlook increasing the Vitamin A at times like thiol. Vitamin A effects the quality and quantity of mucous. It is not considered a massive dose until you hit 400,000 units per day. Often it takes 50 to 100,000 IU to get the mucous working again. I learned this the hard way about 35 years ago. I had a corncob throat for six weeks. Then it hit me, Vitamin A effects the quality and quantity of mucous production. I took 100,000 units and within two hours my throat was slick, for first time in six weeks.Often we don't even use and practise what we have learned. If Vitamin A MAX and Cayenne pepper MAX don't help, you are in a world of hurt. The ratio of the pepper, honey, and lemon juice is not critical. A good starter ratio is, Two or three tbs of honey and one tsp of cayenne. Juice or 1/2 or one whole lemon. Then, make it stronger until you start looking for the fire extinguisher. You could grind up the whole lemon. Often I mix a bottle of this, then simply drink it our of the bottle. In this recent battle, I had the cayenne so hot, I had to chase it with pure honey. I did survive both the bug and the cayenne pepper. I don't remember the volume of CS. I finished one gallon and had to make another. Wayne --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.778 / Virus Database: 525 - Release Date: 10/15/2004
RE: CSRE: Antiquarian Epidemiology
Lizard Genes -Original Message- From: John Rigby [mailto:jrig...@fablor.com] Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2004 7:33 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRE: Antiquarian Epidemiology Hi folks, Arnold wrote: Unlike so many other expressions, this one is well documented. It's a direct translation of the Spanish sangre azul. Many of the oldest and proudest families of Castile used to boast that they were pure bred, having no link with the Moors who had for so long controlled the country, or indeed any other group. Actually, it is far greater antiquity than that. Although not politically correct to state it, virtually every culture has a recognition of the blue-eyed, white-skinned, blonde gods with the aquiline noses and it is a simple way for one to understand various castesystems like Indian, Chinese, European. In the ancient books of Ku a'la there is much discussion about it (colour) and language, both of which make little sense . except as markers in the former and control mechanisms in the latter. The Silver question (argyra) is a modern furphy. Cheers, Himagain BTW: Did you notice that They didn't tell us that a meteor big enough to take us out missed us by a cat's whisker recently? -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSIs it really this quiet? GARNET
Oligiodynamic? -Original Message- From: gallen4...@aol.com [mailto:gallen4...@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2004 1:59 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSIs it really this quiet? GARNET Garnet, Some time ago, like maybe a couple of years, there was quite a lengthy discussion of what PPM of CS is needed to cure something. As I remember, the conclusion was that ppm is largely irrelevant -- 2or3 ppm being as effective as 20 or 30. There is a technical name for this condition, but I don't remember it. Perhaps some of the technical people know what it is so that you could find the discussion in the archives. GeorgeA
RE: CSDMSO-DRAGON breath
Green tea is very high in fluorides, one of the highest of all the foods. JOH -Original Message- From: Garnet [mailto:garnetri...@earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 7:39 AM To: Silver List Subject: RE: CSDMSO-DRAGON breath Thanks Ed. I have a email into one of their distributors and am waiting for a reply. The product they sell for addition to paint to reduce VOCs is a powdered ceramic made from clay that contained the organisms. It mentions the imprint of the bacteria so I am not sure if they are saying any of the organisms survive or if it has some other mode of action. I have read else where that they do survive and that vessels made from fermented clay are suppose to have health and preservation qualities. It is a new topic for me so I am doing as much as I can to learn about its many uses. I did ask on the EM List why they feel that their product is different from other probiotics of the same species names. Particular strains can surely be developed so I am curious if this is just a case of marketing ones proprietary product and making claims that are not verifiable or if they have found it to be truly superior. There are many strains of probiotics on the market. I have used some of the high count liquids and can attest that higher counts do make a difference when you look at yogurt vs taking the super concentrated liquid products. I tried Kombucha in the 90's when I had CFS. It made me so energetic, I thought yipeee this stuff is great. Then I realized how much caffeine Green Tea has in it! I tried making it with herbal tea and it changed the culture so I lost it. Do you make yours with Green Tea? Or have you found a way to avoid the caffeine? What else do you like about Kombucha tea. It was sure fun to make and watch it grow! I wonder if it could be dried and ground up then added to the paint to reduce odors. I may just ended up painting on days when I can open all the windows and run some fans. I think I have found a paint that has fairly low odor, Kelly Moore, at least the primer I buy from them is not too bad. Some paint has pesticides and mildewicides added. One of them is an azole and I know my husband can not take azole drugs, he turns competely red with a whole body rash. So before I actually purchase any of their paint I will check and see what it has in it in the way of azoles. Thiabendazole may not out gas, so I will have to ask them that too. I know they do not disclose pesticides because they make no claim for them, but in the past I got really sick after a rent hous was painted the day before I moved in, but I was still sick with CFS secondary to Candida then. I am much healtheir now. The low VOC paints like AFM do not have the same durability qualities as regular paint I am told. Does anyone know about this? Thanks again Ed for your generous offer. I may take you up on it. Garnet On Sun, 2004-10-17 at 16:29, Ed Kasper wrote: Garnet, Speaking of Lactic Acid Bacteria, Yeasts and Phototrophic Bacteria. I have plenty of bacteria and yeasts in my Kombucha. L(+) Lactic acid - Usnic acid - Acetic acid - Carbonic acid - Folic Acid - Gluconic acid - Glucuronic acid - Amino acids vitamins, Various Enzymes are also reported as present. I'd be glad to send you some to experiment to reduce VOCs and hopefully deodorize DMSO. Ed Kasper LAc. Licensed Acupuncturist Herbalist Acupuncture is a jab well done www.HappyHerbalist.com -Original Message- From: Garnet [mailto:garnetri...@earthlink.net] Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2004 9:20 AM To: Silver List Subject: Re: CSDMSO-DRAGON breath No I don't really have any other good ideas. I don't know how they mix it and it may be a proprietary process. If you buy it from www.jacoblab.com it does help support their research and publishing efforts. Dr Jacob is working on a extensive book on DMSO, some where I read it was to be a 6 volume set. I have recently been reading about Effective Microorganisms, a proprietary mixture of Lactic Acid Bacteria, Yeasts and Phototrophic Bacteria. One use I am looking at is for adding them to pain to reduce VOCs (paint odors). I have no idea but it is a thought that maybe it could also deodorize DMSO? But then again maybe the DMSO would kill them since they are bacteria and it is effective against some bacteria. Particularly if it contained cs. Google Effective Microorganisms for more info. There is a Yahoo list but I don't have the address. They are sold through dealers and no you can not cultivate them, it changes them, adds other bugs etc. Garnet -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.280 / Virus Database: 264.11.1 - Release Date: 10/15/2004 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List
CSBells Palsy
Kris, This is not true. As I previously stated acupuncture can be curative for Bells Palsy. In addition, depending on the cause of the condition, CS and a CS/DMSO mixture appled topically can also do the trick. If a virus or bacteria is the cause then killing it will cure it. Herbs such as sanguinaria root (blood root), garlic (allicin), chapparral and others may also be of benefit. Steroids only reduce inflammation but do nothing to get rid of the cause. Acupuncture will also reduce inflammation and relieve pain while stimulating the immune system to attack the microbe. Bells Palsy can also be caused by trauma, stroke, or other disease conditions affecting the facial branch of the trigeminal nerve. Bob
