Chaos is the End Game Re: Embrace the chaos [Was: [SLUG] Re: SLUG on gmane.org]
Jeff Waugh wrote: quote who=SLUG feeding spam to the world Google groups can obviously do it. If gmane.org and others can not, then we should stop their access. Gmane does the right thing, as stated elsewhere in the thread. Well, obviously they need new glasses much more than I do. NNTP clearly feeds addresses. HTTP allows the addresses to be quickly reconstituted by a simple text sunstitution. Apparently aware people seem to make the same mistake and believe that all spammers are unskilled script kiddies. The worst spammers I've met were skilled computer people. But Terry, remember that anyone can subscribe to SLUG (no, we should definitely not moderate subscription requests), and what they do with the mail is up to them. I disagree about moderation. If you look around, you will see that the FOSS/OSS/???/linux/*nix communities are covered in layers of licences. We need to require people to sign up to an ethical/whatever statement as to what they will do with content/addresses. All laws have limitations, but no one has ever demonstrated that having no law was better. As, it is not just a matter of what the law says now, but what the law could reasonably say in the future. It is also about that much abused term community. Just what sort of community do you want the Slug community to be? * Create a full or partial public archive of the mailing list, Then we should require people not to redistribute email addresses. SLUG does it for their web pages, Google manages. Why can we not ask/demand that other people/places do so? but the 'net has changed our perception and use of copyright, in large part for the better. It is not about copyright. It is not about spam on the slug list. Nor is it about the knowledge base. It is basically that SLUG could do be doing something more. So who are we to complain? We can always politely ask that those archives be removed (particularly if they don't obfuscate email addresses, or if they attach advertising, etc). Yes. We can also take action to stop future feeds. Even if I have farted around doing other projects first, even I recognised that my email addresses on my web pages needed changing. Slug recognised in 2002 (?) that it wasn't a good idea to post peoples email addresses on their web pages, but we dropped the ball on requiring other peoples to do so. It is time to pick up that ball. If you find specific abuses of SLUG mailing list content, then I'd encourage you to let the committee (or the whole community) know about it, such that it can be dealt with. But this paranoia and reckless lashing out isn't going to help anyone. You're coming across as a bit of a kook. Care! Shrug Not. OTOH, all I am hearing from is the usual football hooligans of the Slug Community. Oh look, I have a bigger willy because I beat my self over the head with X spam messages a day. WTF is wrong with you wimp!. The 'net is wild. SLUG can't fix all of it. Yelling ever louder won't help. But SLUG can get off its arse and do its/it's share. It can start with even small actions 1) Warn people that when they suscribe that their posts are redistributed. 2) Require people to agree to a set of conditions of use when they confirm their subscription. 3) Apply similar conditions on other feeds of SLUG material. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] SLUG on gmane.org
Mary Gardiner wrote: Just for interests' sake, SLUG is also available via NNTP (Usenet news) on gmane.org for both posting and reading. Just what I really want. Another source of email addresses for spammers to pillage. Who was responsible for this bright idea? If you are goingto start passing out the slug list in bulk to spammers, I would like all address at woa-com-au pulled, please. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] `new' effort at spam fighting?
Peter Chubb wrote: I've finally got through... there are two bits. For outlook users (none of us, probably) there's a single `button' you can download after you register (you register to get a key, by thelook of it), that deletes the spam, and forwards it with headers. Am I the only one who is going WHOA! For the rest of us, just send the spam, headers and all, to [EMAIL PROTECTED] WOW, they listened. Now to see how long it stays viable as I (and thousands of other sources?) autofeed it ~1,500 spam per day. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [chat] Re: [SLUG] Google Groups
Michael Knight wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Groups#E-mail_masking To prevent scammers or spammers from harvesting e-mail addresses from a group, Google replaces the last three letters of a username in an e-mail address with periods. To view the full e-mail address, one has to click on the periods and enter a verification code to prove they are human, after which a page will load with the full e-mail addresses displayed. Which just means that you will now get 62**3[1] pieces of junk mail flooding your mailserver as spammers just work through the variations. [1] just how many symbols are there allowed in email addresses? 0-9,a-z,A-Z, ? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Fwd: Club history
Lindsay Holmwood wrote: Hi all, Although i'm familiar with the past few years of SLUG history, would some of the old timers care to help me out with the following email? I don't know if anyone responded to this, but names around in 95-96 were Jamie Honan, Grahame Kelly, Del Ken Yap, Charlie Brady, Anthony Rumble and Leonard Chan was running his shop in a bag. I had the impression that it had been going for a year or so beforehand. Aps to anyone I don't remember. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Fwd: Club history
Matthew Hannigan wrote:
Besides myself :-), and a few you already have
above, I remember Nick Andrew (of zeta.org.au)
and Jeremy Fitzhardinge (goop.org) were there
at the very first SLUG meeting, held at Softway
offices. Can't remember the date!
(Given enough time I could trawl through my
stuff and find out though.)
To borrow those infamous words spoken by Grahame Kelly at the first
Kegsworth InstallFest (2nd Fest) after I offered to give a hand
Come in sucker {:-).
Thanks for volunteering.
I actually thought I first went along maybe in 93/94 after doing a
course at UTS a couple of years earlier, but 96 was the only dates in my
slug folder and I'm not fussed about dragging out the tax records to
see when I started claiming *nix items {:-) plus I definitely wasn't
there at the start.
When did RH4.0 RH4.1 come out?[1]
[1] I've given mine away years ago, along with the copy of SUSE (in
german) that I first obtained from SLUG all thse years ago.
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Re: [SLUG] Fwd: Club history
John Clarke wrote:
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 11:15:35 +1000, Terry Collins wrote:
When did RH4.0 RH4.1 come out?[1]
According to http://www.owlriver.com/redhat_versions.html, 3rd October
1996 and 3rd February 1997 respectively.
Thanks.
So my paper work is correct and my memory is faulty then {:-(.
Hmm,it seems that according to google, there is only two pages on the
internet that list this information. Sadly I didn't think of searching
for redhat_versions.
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[SLUG] ThinLinX Hot-e - is it value?
ThinLinX Hot-e - is it value?
http://www.thinlinx.com
Looking for an opinion whether this is good value at $US249 (HL100?).
If not, other suggestions welcome.
My interest was the low power consumption for mobile applications.
And, where would I look for FOSS support and code examples?
Easier to ramp up prog skills for C, etc than other alternatives.
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Re: [SLUG] Internet connection speed.
Voytek Eymont wrote:
300 baud acoustic coupler ?
I'm not sure if i kept it actually {:-).
I have a voice/fax gateway using 33600 modems
ocassionally, I need to access internet using such a modem
Oohh, high speed. woa.com.au ran on a 28.8K perm modem link for
about three years. Lol, DDOS and \. were self limiting.
maybe not painfull for ssh...
but, if not painfull, for web browsing, certainly good character building...
That just shows you who the clueless business people are.
If your website isn't set up for 28.8/33.6Kmodem users, then you are
loosing an awfull lot of customers.
yes, but: a brand new windoze XP SP2 system will need about 50MB updates
out of the box... getting that succesfully down on a dial up is not my
idea of exciting afternoon... (weekend..?)
not exactly very practical
Posted CDs are usually cheap and useful for when you have to do the
inevitable re-install.
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[SLUG] Latex, tabular screwed
I'm having trouble with tabular environemt in latex atm[1]. Basically,
it just finding errors that don't give a clue.
\begin{tabular}{|p|c|c|c|c|c|c|} \hline
mass (M g) 10.0 10.5 11.0 11.5 12.0 12.5 \\ \hline
Extension ( e mm) 16 18 22 25 26 30 \\ \hline
\end{tabular}
gives the error
! Missing number, treated as zero.
m
ass (M g) 10.0 10.5 11.0 11.5 12.0 12.5 \\ \hline
Basically, what frigging number does it want?
and why is it looking for it on the first line?
and inserting the only number I can think of
\begin{tabular}{150mm}{|p|c|c|c|c|c|c|} \hline
mass (M g) 10.0 10.5 11.0 11.5 12.0 12.5 \\ \hline
Extension ( e mm) 16 18 22 25 26 30 \\ \hline
\end{tabular}
gets the error
! LaTeX Error: Illegal character in array arg.
TIA
[1]
Debian sarge in case it matters
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Re: [SLUG] Latex, tabular screwed
Terry Collins wrote:
I'm having trouble with tabular environemt in latex atm[1]. Basically,
it just finding errors that don't give a clue.
\begin{tabular}{|p|c|c|c|c|c|c|} \hline
thanks, the p{35mm} fixed it.
I didn't actually try this option, but had previously tried giving a
dimension al all columns, which still caused an error.
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[SLUG] correct form of find - exec rm on RH5.2?
Can anyone tell me what is the correct form of
find smtpd* -atime 7 -exec ` rm -f {} ` \;
on a RH5.2 system?
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Re: [SLUG] correct form of find - exec rm on RH5.2?
Jamie Wilkinson wrote:
This one time, at band camp, Terry Collins wrote:
Can anyone tell me what is the correct form of
find smtpd* -atime 7 -exec ` rm -f {} ` \;
on a RH5.2 system?
You can only specify one directory to look in, so smtpd* isn't going to
work.
err, nope
find smtpd* -atime 7 -print works just find.
It is the quoting of exec that is the problem (missing argument or
invalid is the contual squark)
Apologies for not being clearer.
find . -wholename './smtpd*' -atime 7 -exec rm -f {} \;
Damm, just tested above as
find smtpd* -atime +7 -exec rm -f {} \;
and found no quotes needed.
head scratch.
Thanks for the help.
Now to write and cron the script to just auto dump filtered spam after a
week.
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[SLUG] Gnumeric; printing in landscape
I have Gnumeric running on Debian Sarge and I want it to orientate the
printout to A4 landscape. Has anyone managed to do this. Using lprng
Have tried the various landscape, rot 90deg, etc options but I just get
A5 chunks at best in portrait mode.
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Re: [SLUG] Re: DEC Storage Works
Del wrote:
Slightly related, well it is multi-channel {:-), but does anyone have
any experience with using a DEC Storage works array under dual linux
hosts?[1]
1) can it be done?
Yes. It's a filesystem issue, not specifically a host issue,
Generally the storageworks units I played with left a lot to be desired
in comparison with the EMC gear. I wouldn't buy one or recommend one
to a client, however if one's fallen into your lap it may be a fun
toy, and better than a stack of yellow sticky notes from a storage
point of view.
Thanks Del. Much useful information appreciated.
Yes, it fell into my lap. I suspect is is a very basic model. The most
useful thing was that it had a full complement of hard disks and i think
some spare hard disk and power units, so I can play with software raid,
although I/O isn't going to stress anything.
OTOH, winter is coming, so it will save running a room heater
occassionally {:-)
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Re: [SLUG] data centers
Jeff Waugh wrote:
I can think of a few broader topics which would make *vastly* more
sense (and be less risky) than 'data centre'.
Like Linux On Old/Ancient Hardware {:-)
Says someone with 3 sparc, 3 Dec 1 Axil boxen underfoot
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DEC Storage Works Re: [SLUG] debian vs FC threads
Del wrote:
e.g. to get multi-path fibre SCSI working through a SAN backend,
Slightly related, well it is multi-channel {:-), but does anyone have
any experience with using a DEC Storage works array under dual linux
hosts?[1]
1) can it be done?
2) which distros?[2]
3) other stuff?
TIA
[1] for those who don't know, a DEC Storage Works array is a SE scsi
array/bus with dual scsi access ports. It isn't a SAN device, so your
hosts have to work co-operatively (if you want to keep the date in any
useful state).
[2] Err, yerr, I've already got Debian, so you don't have to post that
answer {:-)
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Re: [SLUG] Podcasts from the ABC
Roger Barnes wrote:
I found this help link by accident (for radio national), it seems to be much
better than the one I assume you are referring to as inadequate.
http://www.abc.net.au/rn/podcast/help.htm
That is the one. there is a slight difference between reality and their
help page
The method for listening appears to be the same as for podcasts from anywhere
else, but specifically, I've been using a cron job to run bashpodder, a neat
little script for downloading podcasts.
Good info, I'll try it.
An Automated solution is what I wanted.
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[SLUG] Podcasts from the ABC
How do people listen to Podcasts from the ABC?
Sadly, as is usual for IT in the ABC, their help pages don't help (just
another example of why RTFM is not a solution).
TIA.
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[SLUG] Debian Timezone patch?
How do I patch a debian box with the new timezone data
for the commonwealth games?
Might require a non-reboot option.
Any ideas?
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Re: [SLUG] HW exp with Dec Alpha Servers?
James Gray wrote:
Other reasons why Alpha's wont workwell, that would require them to at
least have power.
Not much help, but what does dead in the water really mean in this case?
Okay, both machines have done at least 10 years in Australia and haven't
left the country since arrival {:-).
Dead in the water is that when a power cord is inserted into the back at
the power supply (no switch on rear), there are no lights anywhere.
The 2000(?) comes with dual power supplies and was suppossed to be a
going unit.
I know one power supply was making heat because a short smell occurred,
but no lights on front. I was assuming that it would run on one power
supply (2nd as failover/backup) and that when power is applied, that if
I hit the right switch/button (1 of 3) on front that something would happen.
Or, when power cord was inserted, maybe the LCD panel might light up?
Am I missing a hidden power switch?
I've never played with this as hardware before so was looking for some
guidance as to whether it is a dead duck or there is some DEC
incantation needed. {:-)
The second power supply was disconnected inside, so I reconnected it and
inserted power cable. Results was bang and sparks, so I disconnected
internal cables and external. Oh, Oh,
I haven't been game to plug the 2100 in yet.
Cheers,
James
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Re: [SLUG] HW exp with Dec Alpha Servers?
Jamie Wilkinson wrote:
You might try testing output voltages on the PSU and making sure they're
consistent with the documentation you found (assuming that you get that
information in those docs).
It is looking that way.
Currently I am trying to see what other sources are avialable of spare
parts and how much these cost.
Frankly, if it involves money, SATA is a better bet {:-).
Thankfully at least one of the storage arrays will work off my linux
boxen, so the alpah boxen might just get scrapped real fast.
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Re: FW: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5
Jeff Waugh wrote:
quote who=O Plameras
... and on *this* list service, RTFM (as a serious answer to a question)
is inappropriate. It's an ugly part of other online cultures that is not
wanted or needed here.
And not only that, there is usually NO FM {:-).
And you can easily get a reply like Well the only thing I could find on
google was for linux 1.2 and I want to use 2.6
E.G. there is no FM for setting up a plain Linux RAID device.
I was looking for a HOWTO and the closest I can find (via google) is
something that relies on re-installing the complete system so that you
can put the system on a raid device. Most of the links were no longer
relevant for Debian Sarge. In the end I had to go to Debianhelp.org for
that magic step.
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Throttling??? Re: [SLUG] bittorrent clients
cmyers wrote:
Just asking some advice on what BT clients you guys use?
I have tried Azuerus and found it so slow it was a joke.
So I thought I would throw the question out to see what people
recommend.
And the really important question that has not been answered is can any
of them be throttled and NOT require java?
The last time I ran a bittorrent client, it clagged my computer and adsl
link. It is nothing to run one, if it behaves like emule, grouper, etc,
etc, etc.
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Does Bridging require ISP co-operation? Re: [SLUG] New User's Frustration
Crossfire wrote:
However, most ethernet based ADSL modems will work with linux in Full
bridge (terminated by PC) or routed (terminated by modem) modes.
Once you have terminated the connection on your PC, its also a trivial
matter to further share out that connection.
Now, there is probably a roaring debate over routed modems vs using
full bridge.
Nope, Q as per amended subject.
Can you just swap from PPPoe/PPPoA mode to full bridge without your ISP
doing anything?
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[SLUG] HW exp with Dec Alpha Servers?
Has anyone on the list had any hardware experience with Dec Alpha
Servers that wouldn't mind me picking their brain.
Recently was given a 2100 and 2000? but both are dead in the water and
I'm wondering if $$, soldering iron or angle grinder is the appropriate
tool {:-).
I think google has provided the technical site, but someone who can tell
me what to expect when you plug it in would be helpful.
1) nothing, 2 sparkens, 3) still to be tested.
TIA
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Re: [SLUG] Re: [SCLUG] Re: Interesting view
Bohdan S wrote:
I dont like how all these Linux users bag Windows S much. If it
wasent for windows how many of us would own a computer right now?
LOL, you must be a kid. Just as many would.
The big problem for past computer users was that IT dept forced peeps to
standardise on MS OS so they could create a situation that justified the
IT depts existance.
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Re: [SLUG] Re: [SCLUG] Re: Interesting view
O Plameras wrote:
The major reason why we standardise is due to cost. It is not due to
the whims and caprices of IT dept.
I prefer to buy stuff that works. SOE can impose shite.
e.g works brilliant under windows[1], but buggy under *nix.
[1] actually, nothing works brilliant under windows and the particular
instances that come to mind, it was novell that it worked under.
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TEXT, Text, text please. Re: [SLUG] New User's Frustration
someone wrote:
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*Hello Everybody,*
AAARGH, just a genetle reminder to all that TEXT is the way to go if you
want peeps to answer your requests.
Yes, Thunderbird may display all that crap[1], but my brain goes nope.
Can I train thunderbird to just junk all embellshiments? (already strips
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[SLUG] Latex, layout of maths answer
Okay, how do you layout an answer for something as simple as
sqrt(175)-17**2 in latex?
Looking for a/the method of doing the multiple lines showing your
working with equal signs all lined up.
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Re: [SLUG] Latex, layout of maths answer
Terry Collins wrote:
Okay, how do you layout an answer for something as simple as
sqrt(175)-17**2 in latex?
Looking for a/the method of doing the multiple lines showing your
working with equal signs all lined up.
TIA
Thanks folks.
The use of the = isn't given anywhere (Lamport, or Gossens, et al.)
and that seems to be the key.
In the answer from the ether mode that occurs just after you send a
questions to Slug, I ended up working out that this worked okay;
\begin{tabbing}
$ something $ \=
$ \something $ \\
$ \something $ \\
$ \something $ \\
\end{tabbing}
Thanks for the actual layout of the \eqnarray. That will save a bit of
hair pulling.
soapbox The problem with a lot of Linux application and stuff like
Latex is that documentation is woefully bad. I've spent 20 years winging
it in user support working out how to do similar and more complex stuff
in various MS OS based applications and the answer was rarely more than
5 minutes of research/reading and trial and error. For some reason, the
*nix side is still in the mind set of high priests in white coats and
decades of apprentice ship to learn how to do common tasks.
I persevere with *tex because it has been around for nearly 30 years and
I'm hoping it will be around for another 30 years, whereas the
competition re-invents itself every three years and wants $1,000 each
time. UYs /soapbox
Yes Mike it is just basic high school maths (or it was when I was in
high school {:-), but rather than go through all the trouble of applying
for an exemption (find course outline, find certified results, time last
studied, etc ), it was easier just to do the four assignments (about 1
hr work each) and sit two exams (2 x 2hr) for about a total of 12 hours
work travel to get one years work of work done in maths {:-). Sadly
it is about 15 years since I did anything mathematically challenging, so
it helps get the brain back into focus even if it is only an electronic
engineering course. {:-).
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[SLUG] Replacement for Gimp - Labelling folders
I am looking for a replacement for Gimp for simple text layout
All I want to do is print a strip of text down the middle of an A4 page
so I can cut it to size and insert it into the spine of some folders.
It is probably best to think of this as being as a single line in a
large font in landscape format.
Previously, I've done this in Gimp, but frankly Gimp is definitely not
intutitive and is almost impossible to figure out what has been changed
with each version. Yep, it is just one of those occassional tasks at
home. The problem of frustration this time around is editing the text
attributes (woops, white on white doesn't show).
Oh, and how do you lock a layer now.
Bing, perhaps I should just do it in latex, since I do labels in it
occassionally.
But, I'd really like a linux application that is at least as fast as
CorelDraw to do this simple task.
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Re: [SLUG] Replacement for Gimp - Labelling folders
Robert Thorsby wrote:
Try groff
EXCELLENT, because you included an example that worked {:-) and it was a
simple text based solution.
For others, after man groff (command line stuff), look at info groff
which is where the real information is.
Actualy learning info was the hardest {:-)
Control+x, then Cnt+c to exit
Cntrl+h for help
up and down arrows to select line
enter to jump to section/chapter
and u to go up or back
and my 1am - 2am learning understanding for fiddlers
BEGIN TEXT FILE
.sp (2.0c) -- a margin
.pl (21.0c)-- paper length
.po (2.0c) --- left hand margin
.ll (25.7c) printed line length
.hy 0
.ps 36 -font size in points (72/inch)
.vs 40 - white space in points
.ce- centre entry on page
\fB
LABEL TEXT HERE
second line of text here leave a space at start
\fP
END TEXT FILE
Process with:
groff -dpaper=a4l -P-l text.file postscript.file
or
groff -dpaper=a4l -P-l text.file | lpr -l
Warning, if you muck up the spacing, margins too small, font over
whitepsace, etc, it goes bezerk and you can get 6 or 8 pages of rubbish,
so using a postsctript viewer will save paper if you fiddle {:-0).
HTH,
Very much so.
I love simple text based solution to problems.
Thanks for other suggestions, I will look at them also, time permitting.
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Re: [SLUG] Resolution hell
Simon wrote:
but inside myorg.com.au resolves to be the
Netgear modem rather than the webserver.
then the netgear isn't referring port 80 to the http server properly.
Maybe simpler for woa because external dns just dumps everything
*.woa.com.au into the extenal IP and the netgear just forwards 25 80
to the repective servers and dumps anything else. There is an internal
dns server but it does no external dns.
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Re: [SLUG] Linux in the Film Industry
Howard Lowndes wrote:
It's a shame that the inside front cover advertisement of the magazine
is for M$ Visual Studio...
lol, go back. have another look at that advertisement, particularly
compare the two pictures. MS Vs is so sllo that
1) the girlfriend has become the wife and first fork has come about,
2) the cactus has grown quite a bit and it flowering,
3) that bouncing blue ball has turned yellow with age.
and they have still only finished 4/7 projects
Message? ; MS Vs is s slowww... {:-)
P.S. Memo to IT sectin; brown slacks obviously doesn't use his second
screen. Tag for redeployment {:-).
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Re: [SLUG] Ritmo PN3000 3-port print server tftp
Howard Lowndes wrote:
I have inherited one of these without the instruction leaflet.
I've manually arp'd an IP address for it, but even though the lights are
on, I can't ping it, so it might be DOA or might have a manually set IP.
Does anyone have a copy of the instructions or know the name of the file
to GET/PUT to configure the beast.
Nope, and at the risk of telling you how to suck eggs {:-).
1a) Search the mac address and see who it is assigned to,
1b) find out what other print servers they made
1c) treat as that file server of that period.
2a) I googled and came up with only one web page that mentioned it
http://www.satotech.com.au/products_networking_print-server.htm
2b) looking at specs, try treating it as Axis 560 or
2c) Intel version thingy shudder Net??? (I'll undoubtedly think of
after sending ).
Axis boxen allowed FTP, telnet and web configuration, so you might try
telnet and HTTP as well. Axis had a config file that was text which
you ftp/get, edited, ftp/put, reboot.
3) Try connecting with a Novell Netware server.
4) buy a Axis 3 way print server to replace it (or whatever one you like)
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Re: [SLUG] Re: internet access via mobile phone
Matthew Palmer wrote:
but it doesn't hold a candle to an open access point. grin
7/52 were open locally, aka not encrypted when I war-drove (passenger
actually) to the quack recently.
Was looking on www.nodedb.com and found the bigpong has public access
points at the local knocking shop and chuck-foods for bigpong customers.
If these are in your area, might be more economical that mobile phone.
Chuckled that you needed another web mail provider though.
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Re: [SLUG] graduate programmers
O Plameras wrote:
This is the base salary graduates start with 15 years ago, in
at least two Companies I know. So, graduates base salary
now should be higher than this. 15 years is a lot
of years in the IT industry.
NOPE. Supply and demand. There is an enormous number of IT graduates
these days, so IMO advertised starting salaries are generally down to
what they were 15 years ago.
I posted the $15-20K one as it was offered each year for a few years.
What hasn't been mentioned yet is industry If you are in the pure IT
side, then the best can get some spectacular salaries, but other
industries tend not to have salaries too much above industry norm, so
the $25-20K was a dogsbody in finance as a start, but some of those
companies can reward well.
A number of companies put graduate recruites through a rigorous training
regime of from 3 to
6 months. This is all around training including programming.
We must realize, once a graduate or anyone starts working, his/her
salary is reviewed every six months,
Make sure you ask about reviews before you start and it is a good idea
to have the review dates written into the letter of offer[1]. Being able
to ask and still getting an offer is another test of a good place to work.
Practically, you have to know you are going to get a salary/wage that
provides a lifestyle to establish a good career. You'd probably have
HECS to pay off, permant house/unit/etc/living space to establish. Maybe
further study. Maybe time to get back into leisure activities that study
pushed out.
The problem with starting at one place to gaine xperience and moving on
is that if you do this a number of times, good companies may no longer
consider you.
It is also IMO extremely important to be involved in finishing projects.
So, it really depends on the employee himself/herself, rather than being
a graduate by itself.
Correct, but it also depends on the company and your immediate and
higher manager(s).
[1] I had one immediate manager say I wasn't due for review because I'd
negotitated a higher starting salary, but then I produced the letter of
offer outlining starting salary and and three month review. Again the
higher manager wrote a very useful reference when I did leave after 12
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Re: [SLUG] graduate programmers
O Plameras wrote:
For $25,000 stipend (or salary) per year one could continue University
and earn a Ph.D.
Hmm, haven't looked at PHd student jobs in decades, but it isn't the
issue. Schools have been pushing masses of students into IT for at least
a decade. As a result, companies have so many more to choose from, they
can afford to offer lower starting salaries.
And, if you expect grads to spend a year finding their feet, what you
save on the initial intake, can be quickly offered to the ones who you
want to keep.
Some companies still follow the practise whereby you take a mass of
peeps on as trainees and gradually weed them out, keeping and grooming
the most desireable[1] for a career in the company.
[1] the criteria of desireable varies. Sometimes being too good isn't
desireable.
My 2c is that if you are offering yourself as a grad, sure it is handy
to have an idea of what you might get offered (doesn't uni tell you
anyway?), but until you get out there, you really don't find out what
you are going to be offered.
Personally, if you are worried about a career, it is equally important
to research the company/workplace as well as worry about the $$$.
Nothing worse that take a higher paying job at a dying concern (been
there, done that).
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Re: [SLUG] Spam
TongMaster wrote:
On Sat, 2006-02-18 at 06:53 +1100, Howard Lowndes wrote:
Can SLUG be made subscriber only, or have some spam filters installed.
The S/N ratio is getting below unity.
I get no SPAM on this list. I'm not suggesting that none is sent to this
list but that perhaps you improve your SPAM filters?
How?
The trouble with spam filters is that they have to be trained, which
means you need to receive spam (the point of contention) and mark it as
such for the spam filter to recognise it as spam and hopefully it
recognises the next day's spam as spam.
And if you are using Thunderbird, it seems to drop most of it's load
every so often and needs to be re-educated (thwack, thwack, thwack).
tic
I'm begining to think I'd prefer a white-list/black list option than
some mysterious process that patently can not recognise obvious spam
Of course, prepending everything with something that rejects all mail
with incorrectly spelt words would certainly cut spam incredibly {:-)
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Re: [SLUG] graduate programmers
ashley maher wrote:
G'day,
Anybody know the ball park for grad programmers these days in Sydney?
There is a finance company on the northside that will start you at
$15-20K {:-), but that is definitely the worst I've seen listed.
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Re: [SLUG] search engine rankings
Scott Ragen wrote:
So does that mean if I include my website in my sigs to mailing lists,
search engines will pick it up when they crawl through the archives and
increase the page rank?
It might work for a while {:-)
Oh wait, I didn't realise mine was there.
Nope, can not remeber if it made a differnce as it was so long ago that
I first added it.
Actually I think most search engines are more intelligent that that
these days, especially since it has been years since people started
spamming URL's through usenet.. Easy to drop a sig or to ignore URLs off
mailing lists.
Just having a dig.. no harm meant.
None taken.
My usual answer to that question has been given;
1) pay for advertising, or
2) put up a porn flick and spam usenet.
Sadly, it is just one of those stages that management go through in web
development. Sadly, it can also be a part of a cycle.
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Re: [SLUG] search engine rankings
ashley maher wrote:
G'day,
I was asked how to improve a web site to improve its position for search
engine rankings.
Search engine rankings are a slippery slope, aka more than a full time
job. AIUIN, your rank in the ones that matter is determined by the links
to your website from outside.
So if you get i.e. slashdotted and lots of peeps make pages with links
to your site, then it goes up in rankings.
All you can really count is the hits per page each month.
OTOH, paid advertising is the way to go. If you pay google enough, then
you can always be on the first page for certain search words {:-).
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[SLUG] Thunderbird News Group - aus.bicycle
Currently noticing a lot of problem with the aus.bicycle usenet group
off news.sydney.pipenetworks.com in Thunderbird.
Regularly downloads complete list of threads again.
Inaccurate count of unread messages.
Duplicate messages (probably congestion related)
Is anyone else seeing same?
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Re: [SLUG] Thunderbird
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi
I find thunderbird full of promise, but un-usable. This is a general stir to
see if I'm wrong, or if indeed my woes are real
Wait until you find out that whole directories have been cleansed of
messages. Mutter, mutter, mutter.
Seems to shut down about once a day here atm.
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[SLUG] Re: [Oz-ISP] Cat 3 compliance
Howard Lowndes wrote:
Any other ideas?
1) Has he tried the Wifi Aerial in different positions around the
complex?. Perhaps they might need multiple aerials.
2) Don't know if tele-wire is cat 3. Might cause another lot of
interference problems.
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Re: [SLUG] OT - disposing of CRT tubes.
Tess Snider wrote:
(Assuming they aren't
shipping it off to a horrific dystopian scrap-town in China, as some
so-called recyclers have been known to do.)
That is my understanding as to what is really happening anyway.
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Re: [SLUG] xscreensaver
tuxta2 wrote:
A request that I got though was for a Christmas themed screen saver,
Hmm xsetroot of christmas-bush/christmas-bell.image whould be an
Australian theme, but the eye candy of a screen saver,
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Re: [SLUG] OT - disposing of CRT tubes.
James Gray wrote:
Anyone know if there's any special disposal considerations for electron
accelerators (tubes)?
I was under the impression that CRT glass was leaded glass and therefore
needed special treatment, and because there was an oversupply of it,
they were charging for disposal.
Or can I just chuck it in the glass section of the
recycling bin?
Standard rubbish bin unless your council tells you otherwise I was going
to do kerbside pickup (4 free p.a) for the monitors I had until someone
decided they want to take them home to recycle the copper from around
the yoke.
When I consider the amount of metal I dispose of annually, it is a shame
that council doesn't open their recycling bins to a wider range of metals.
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Re: [SLUG] OT - disposing of CRT tubes.
Matthew Hannigan wrote:
Yeah, the CRTs I've put out on council pick up days
don't usually stay there till pick up time; someone
picks them -- without knowing whether they work or not.
Can I suggest writing broken does not work on them before you put
them out. The only thing I'd worry about if people take them, it that
they might bring them back when they find they are broken.
I'm just taken a break from sorting through other things, of a bicycle
kind, that I have collected from the side of the road. Wow, 25 different
wheels, 9 frames (that have not been cut up) and copious bits of tubing
from frames that have been cut up. Hmm, going to be a busy
post-christmas building time (bicycle trailers atm).
So, you see that is why I do't collect other peoples old monitors to fix
or recycle. It hard enough not collecting the computers {:-)
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[SLUG] what distro/*nix do you run latex on?
If you use tetex/latex/etc, which Linux distro do you run it on?
and does it follow the tetex file structure or does it butcher it?
Debian isn't delivering anymore and if I have to rebuild it all, I might
as well use the Summer slow period to look at other option.
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Re: [SLUG] linux distribution which one????
Kasim, Yosep wrote:
Hi all
I am trying to use linux for the first time. I would like to have a
distro like debian with 14 Cds so I don’t need to go to the internet to
get the software.
Debian would be suitable but has very old software tend not to be
updated or too long.
1) lol at address {:-). It is hopefully a start.
2) if you want packages choice, then you need the large number of CD's
(Obviously 1 Cd for ubuntu isn't the same)
3) easiest on bandwidth is just to mail order (or collect ) the cd/dvd
for the latest release of whatever distro you want.
4) As mentiond everythinglinux/elx (google) it and CetusTech(what are
they called now?) is another Sydney supplier(heavy on Suse) who can
supply latest release. Tthere are probably others.
5) caveat, if your boxen(s) are online, then you are going to need to go
to the internet weekly for updates, especially security matters (mine
just finished 55 security updates). Although ELX might still offer the
single latest update CD/dvd.
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[SLUG] Ethereal filter form
Can someone tell me the correct form for capture and display filters for
ethereal for a host = 192.168.0.1
ip.addr == 192.168.0.1 was what I thought the capture one was, but now
it squarks.
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Re: [SLUG] Thunderbird
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have important e-mails that I can't afford to lose. Anyone please?
If it becomes an issue, then backup your mail directory, then try using
communicator on the directory. It might work.
Thunderbird wouldn't import my old communicator mail, but it did just
adopt most of them (some seem to have disappeared though)
but my 2c is as other peeps have suggested, that you already have a
headless Thunderbird running.
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Re: [SLUG] Partition
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
SLUG,
I am a linux newbie, and I curious if there is a rule of thumb when it comes
to
partitioning the hard drive(using fdisk). I have a desktop with 1024 MB of
RAM,
and an IDE hardrive (80Gb).
How much space would I have to allocate for /dev/hda, dev/hda1, and /hda2.
Chuckle. Please excuse my smile.
I would suggest you put all of it as /dev/hda, otherwise you are going
to need another hard disk. You are confusing devices as partitions
Your master device on your first ide chain is /dev/hda
Your slave is /dev/hdb
Your master device on your second ide chain is /dev/hdc and
your slave on your second ide chain is /dev/hdd
Now, for partitioning, it can depend on what your hardware is and want
it for, but I'm going to assume you have modern hardware and are a home
user.
I use fdisk
? - gives commands(?)
n for create a new partion
p for primary
1 for first
it will throw up a start cylinder that you accept.
then say +20480M- note it talks in MEGAbytes, not gigabytes, so
20Gb for system
(when you mount this partition, your mount it as the root ( / ) partition.
d for display to see your handwork
n
p
2
?? accept this number
+1024M- probably excessive swap file
d look again
t for changing type
2 - because you want number two partion as SWAP
82 (?)
d - to check that partion 2 is SWAP
n
p
3
?? accept this number
take it all
You mount this partition as home (/home).
d check it all
w to write it all out to disk
q for quick/exit
If you have older hardware, you may need to create a small (100m)
partition as your first partition. This would be your /boot partition.
Linux can read monstrous disks that old bios hardware barfs on, but you
need to have all the linux part that does this in the section that the
bios can read,
Don't worry, I'm yet to destroy a hard disk using fdisk.
Come back to the list with any further questions and clarifications
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Re: [SLUG] Too good to be true from Bigpond?
Peter Chubb wrote:
So what's the story? I'm very tempted if it's true.
Have you been to http://www.broadbandchoice.com.au and compared the
offering?
Also, do you have it in writing? I keep telling everyone to send me the
stuff in print and then I'll consider it.
Only one sucker so far and then when he finally rang back I rather
tersely stated I wanted the full details, not a fscking glossy brochure.
Telstra always has gotchas in my experience.
P.S. Never sign anything to get information. AAPT use this trick to
forge your signature onto churn stuff.
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Re: [SLUG] Linux friendly flash mp3 players
Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote:
I think Aldi allow refunds, so I am seriously tempted to purchase one of
these
and test it out.
Aldi does allow refunds.
I've returned stuff that didn't match the advertised specs (camera
binoculars),
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Re: [SLUG] USB Audio Input Devices
James Purser wrote:
I'm looking at getting a usb audio device to allow for multiple inputs
(more than one microphone, etc etc). Anybody have any suggestions?
2c on alternate technology.
Is there any reason you want this on the computer?
(Recording each stream seperately for re-mixing later, perhaps)
Jaycar, Dickless Smith, Tandy, etc all sell mono or stereo mini mixers
of varying sizes. Known, reliable technology.
And if you don't like the cable monster from multple mics/inputs, look
at FM back to a TV/FM capture card.
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Re: [SLUG] Live Show
James Purser wrote:
After discussing the idea on irc last night I've refined the idea a bit.
Instead of holding the broadcast on the weekend after next months
meeting, it was suggested that I do it during the meeting. Depending on
who I can drag up to talk to and so on, the show would go for an hour to
an hour and a half.
Have you dood this before?
The time I was involved in doing a radio show, it was quickly realised
that we needed to be trained. arf arf arf,
1) to reduce the number of umm, errs, etc,
2) to encourage voice projection,
3) to reduce pauses
4) to ensure we knew what we were going to say.
Of course this was only for a number of 10 minutes segments in a 20
minute show, so timing was a bit tighter.
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Re: [SLUG] Debian server issues with WinXP
James Neale wrote:
I have run into several issues when reading/writing files from WinXP
machines.
Anyone got any clues that could help?
the save as sounds like permissions on the linux server.
Does the user that you attach/logon to the linux server have permission
to write to the directory where the files are stored?
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Re: [SLUG] Maxi-multi boot layout?
James wrote:
On Tuesday 11 October 2005 08:22, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Has anybody ever used winders troubleshooting help and got real help?
totally irrelevant. either you are attempting to build a quality
alternative, or just producing rubbish slightly better than the
alternative. Which?
So the answer is that for complicated systems KISS as simple as you can and
RFM which includes the Howtos.
About as useful as reading a science manual of 1900's.
I'd rather have a hard time spelunking to find the answer to MY problem than
an easy time finding answers to NotMyProblem.
Well, you don't even find that. Examples are not a *nix strongpoint.
so IMHO 'Traditionally, Unix has been weak in valuing attention to usability'
is rubbish, it does not waste your time trying to guess and resolve every
problem totally ineffectivly giving you a false sense of wellbeing.
I think the original comparison was that lilo squarks when it can not
understand something, so you have a chance of fixing minor problems
before you end up with an non-bootable machine.
RealExample
I use rdesktop to Xp headless. I want to shut down the Winders Machine. Show
me the 'help' that answers the simple question: How to shutdown Windows
(For those doing thought experiments: start-logout/shutdown gives options
Logout, Disconnect, NOT Shutdown) me, 1 MS qualified eng, 2
how-hard-linux-is-and-how-easy-winders-is spent an hour trying to find the
answer, then found it by fiddling!!
Again, THE issue isn't how bad or difficult MS windows variations are,
but how well Linux does the job.
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Re: [SLUG] Re: LVM and software RAID
Matt Palmer wrote: Off the top of my head: Create a partition on the first HDD of about 100MB in size, select /boot as the mount point. Make a partition on the first HDD of the same size, leave it unused. Err, that second first HDD should be second HDD no? If you are using lilo, does this mean your lilo.conf should reference /boot/vmlinuz /boot/initrd.img in the lilo.conf rather than a link from /vmlinuz /initrd.img ? Or doesn't lilo boot raid? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Presentation Mind Control - 21st September 2005
Jacinta Richardson wrote: In this case you're a perfect example of where better communication would help. You're asking a question about the need for this talk, but you'd normally hit my not worth responding to filter. Pot, kettle black. Your post actually failed the page down test here. It might be best if you just stuck to advertising your Perl courses and nothing else on the Slug list. They at least have some relevance. Slug chat is the place for everything else. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Presentation Mind Control - 21st September 2005
Jeff Waugh wrote: This is an invitation to have beers and steak at the JSBH, and see a free talk by a community member about how to give rad presentations (certainly not an irrelevant topic in this community). Not vastly different from the recent GNOME release party, held at JSBH, announced on SLUG. So why throw your bile at Jacinta? Not fair, and not what I'd expect from SLUG. 1) Don't we regularly have these sessions where it is pointed out that good intentions do not excuse posting what is basically off topic to SLUG. 2) Each of us has our own opinions about the extras that could be posted. Experience has shown that it is best not to post what you think is good for everyone. 3) Unfortunately, Jacinta earnt her bile. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Debian 3.1
John Gibbons wrote: I have just installed Debian 3.1 but instead of it opening in the GUI I have to type in a command. Would some kind person tell me what it is? Err, could you describe exact;ly what you did for installation? It may be that you have just installed the base system and now you need to install the various components? does locate xdm or locate gdm or locate kdm produce anything? Like a list of paths? Alternatively, less /var/log/XF86* , or less /var/log/xdm give you any information? tail /var might be better. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Modem Dialing software
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Re: [SLUG] Debian/Ubuntu question
Sonia Hamilton wrote: A Debian/Ubuntu question: On Redhat boxes, network drivers are aliased using /etc/modprobe.conf eg there will be lines like: alias eth0 tulip Where's the equivalent on Debian/Ubuntu? It's not in /etc/modules or /etc/modprobe.d/* On Debian, it is /etc/modutils/aliases Basically, the stuff in /etc/modutils is used to write /etc/modules.conf on each reboot. Screwed if I know why. someone decided it was a great idea atm I guess. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Manageable Linux Bittorrent Client?
Is there a Linux bittorrent client that provides
a) download queueing?
b) download capping?
c) upload capping?
I've rolled out the Debian bittorrent bittorrent-gui debs and whilst
I'm prepared to devote a whole machine to this purpose I am not prepared
to allow it to clog up my internet link. So I really need something that
provides the above features.
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[SLUG] Aptitude command to TOTALLY remove KDE
context: Debian, Sarge, Aptitude
Can anyone tell me the aptitude commands to remove ALL programs
associated with and including KDE on debian sarge?
I am hoping there is a one command purges all.
I made the mistake of deciding I will run one desktop as KDE, since I
haven't play with it for a while. Well, that lasted less than 5 minutes.
rant
What brain dead idiot decided to make Konquerer the default browser?
and then to make it windows like?
If I wanted to use a brain dead system, I'd use MS Windows.
Its worse, there is a frigging bouncing icon and to top it off it has
the usual linux documentation, i.e nothing useful.
The is no way Linux is ever going to conquer the desktop with crud like
this.
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Re: [SLUG] Aptitude command to TOTALLY remove KDE
Howard Lowndes wrote:
Anything would be better than GNOME rdw
Yes, well, why do you think I was giving KDE another go?
Bloatware doesn't do it for me either.
Now all I need to do is remember the pager proggy for twm and I'm set.
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Re: [SLUG] Aptitude command to TOTALLY remove KDE
James Polley wrote:
For the ultime in lack of bloat, try ratpoison:
http://www.nongnu.org/ratpoison/
WOW, it even has a .deb {:-).
It is going to be very useful for a lappie datalogger/processor project
I have in mind.
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Re: [SLUG] Aptitude command to TOTALLY remove KDE
Matthew Hannigan wrote:
On Wed, Aug 31, 2005 at 10:22:41AM +1000, Terry Collins wrote:
Don't say google[1], because it is fast becoming useless. Remember
AltaVista? Same reason.
I agree that google ain't quite what it used to be,
but searching for change kde bouncing cursor pulled
got an eminently relevant link as the first hit.
Which proves my point about the crticalness of the correct jargon
phrase. Launch feedback = boggle.
google change kde home page = crap
google change konqueror home page gives
How do I set my 'home' page - the page loaded on startup?
Start Konqueror with the Web Browser button, open the page
that you want to be loaded in any new Web Browser window,
and select Save View Profile Web Browsing
Save View Profile Web Browsing = WOW, so intuitive[1].
[1] Yes, that is sarcasm. Please no-one attempt to enlighten me as to
why you think it is so much better than home page. I obviously do not
appreciate the benefit of Linux software reproducing all the design
mistakes that Microsoft software has.
wanders off muttering If this keeps up, The Hurd is going to start
looking really attractive ...
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Re: [SLUG] Aptitude command to TOTALLY remove KDE
Howard Lowndes wrote:
Whilst we're on about documentation - have you ever found any Windows
doco that really answers your problem... Have you ever found any
Windows doco...
As in produced by Microsoft , then NO, but what they do produce is far
better than any attached to most Linux software, especially recent
stuff. Plus *nix has never done example well.
I score better with solving MS * problems under google, which is
worrying. Perhaps it is just that MS has the numbers. I hope it isn't
approaching senility.
In anycase, saying oh but Linux is better that Microsoft doesn't mean
that the OS/software is anything other than a complete fetid dump. The
analogy is arguing whether liberal or labor is better {:-).
In my view, good software should be easy to config.
Either
(1) you can work it out from the configuration options, or
(2) its internal documentation should tell you.
It seems to me that Linux software has totally dumbed and/or dumped (2)
and is now progressing to obskcewfurrfate (1){:-).
I guess I am just an engineer at heart, I don't give a rats about the
internal beauty[1], I just want to know how to use it to destroy
trees, move mountains, drain oceans, kill people, etc, etc, etc.
If the only constant is change, then having to spend time reading War
Peace to gain a hint is a complete and utter waste of time. As is
reading source code.
[1] If I want internal beauty, I'd take a cuppa and deck chair onto the
porch and enjoy the wonderful lighting effects that the wind and clouds
are now producing outside.
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Re: [SLUG] How do you start a LUG?
Simon Sutton wrote:
Hello SLUG
I am trying to set up a LUG for the area of Dubbo(NSW), but unfortunately
I don't really know where to start.
interest
0: while (not enough people available to do something)
{
1) Well, you choose a time, date and place
that is convenient for you.
2) You publiscize (sp? {:-) it. (newspapers,
radio, tv?, shopping centres and other notice boards)
3) You wait and see who turns up, you have
a nice chat, a beer/cuppa/whatever and you
see what people are interested in doing,
}
4) then you do something.
5 then you repeat while there is interest.
I've been through this a number of times for various organisations.
For some, there was enough money to hire a hall/room (chuck in), or you
can get access to a freebee, so we met there.
Sometimes, a club/pub or similar will let you have a meeting room for
nothing, but sometime you have people who don't like the alcohol and
smoke, so I always preferred cheap halls.
For some, I just invited people to my current home atm, e.g.
a) for a bicycle touring club we just had a monthly ride/calendar
planning meeting, then went on rides on weekends, etc,
b) for Macathur LUG, it was just a saturday once a month in the back
yard and sit and yarn, show us what you are up to, come and have your
problem solved, or help someone else. (So I would provide power, the
BBQ, a cuppa, chairs and a few table and then let it happen).
The things to avoid are
a) organising entertainment - energy sucking, unless it is ad-hoc,
informal.
b)Likewise, freebees just encourage blood suckers.
c) continually being the only person putting effort, $, etc into the
event, so get everyone involved, even if it just is stacking/unstacking
chairs, etc
The major MUST have thing is a social aspect, e.g. a cuppa.
and don't be too organised, just barely and allow people to help by
taking over something {:-).
Remember, a meeting is just two people chin wagging.
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Re: [SLUG] Lindows experience.
Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote:
Is it a good idea to give *full* sudo access to the initial user by default?
This sounds like a security problem to me.
Yes, if you want your distro to be useful to the average Tom, Dick
Mary on the street.
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Re: [SLUG] NTPD behind a masquerade
Peter Rundle wrote:
Cluesticks?
What do the logs say?
I find that a lot of the syncs time out with my main ntp boxen. I
suspect that the main servers are extremely overloaded now that every
home use has easy to use software to enable them to sysnc with stratum 1
timeservers.
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[SLUG] Adaptec 2940 SCSI Query
Okay, this isn't linux, but tis for linux boxen.
Looking for a bit of insight here on dual Adaptec 2940** SCSI cards
setup into yum-cha pc boxen. Nothing fancy, just simple single ended
hard disk, or cdrom chains or tape deck library robot.
Either I now have two partially dud Adaptec 2940 scsi cards or there
some default whereby the second card only accesses the internal cable.
It is not scsi-id conflict, it is not the external cables, it is not the
external terminators, it is not the length of the scsi path but whatever
is plugged into the second SCSI card on the external cable is not
recognised.
Cluebies wanted.
TIA
P.S. TIA mean Thanks in Anticipation. not that TIA has hijaacked Terry's
computer {:-).
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Re: [SLUG] dual authentification
DaZZa wrote:
On Thu, 4 Aug 2005, Ken Foskey wrote:
I don't know of any system that'll allow exactly that - not *nix, WindoZe,
Novell or anything else.
For everyones education {:-), MPE, the system that ran on the HP3000
hardware allowed such a system. You could set up a group and you could
set up a user password.
Of course, it also helps to lock up the manuals from the sysadmins. Yes,
there is a backdoor that dumps the password database, but that can be
locked off too (although I've never met anyone who actually did).
I figure it is okay after 25 years to give a hint as to how I won the
find password challenge. {:-).
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Re: [SLUG] Adaptec 2940 SCSI Query
Peter Chubb wrote:
Terry == Terry Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Terry Okay, this isn't linux, but tis for linux boxen. Looking for a
Terry bit of insight here on dual Adaptec 2940** SCSI cards setup
Terry into yum-cha pc boxen. Nothing fancy, just simple single ended
Terry hard disk, or cdrom chains or tape deck library robot.
IIRC, you can set this in the ScsiSelect menu --- hit control-A during
bootup, and follow the menus.
Yes, I'd already been there unfortunately.
Rule 1) fritzed mobo's never behave normally, e.g. putting the first
SCSI card in PCI slot one and second scsi card in PCI slot three and
they worked, but together never.
Rule 2) fritzed hardware doesn't work no matter how it is connected. the
10 tape library turned out to be totally cactus once I sorted out rule
one and the rest just followed.
Rule 3) Early yumcha scsi boxen are flaky at the best of times. SE scsi,
with eight outlets on internal cable and all powered by one cheap pc
power supply. Oh, and the spacing of the plugs on the ribbon cable
is/was wrong as well {:-(.
I am testing some stuff donated to Computerbank.
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Re: [SLUG] [OT]: Database Design Question
Adam W wrote:
Hi,
Can anyone put a name to the following type of design...
Normalization? And something to do with Corn, not cobbs, nor the band
from South Park, but the man?
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Re: [SLUG] Re: P120 install - reboot oddity
Ken Caldwell wrote:
I'd be inclined to set the HDD as master on the first IDE bus and the
CDROM as master on the second IDE bus (i.e. using a separate ribbon
cable for each)
Next try to boot from a one floppy linux distro such as tomsrtbt
Umm, have you formated the floppies under dos with system install?
Before you load the Linux images?
If you are having this much trouble, the boot floppy seems the way to go.
BTW - what Band/model is the motherboard?
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[SLUG] Use of Linux Trade Mark in Australia
1) Just received this?
Is this ham fisted jerk genuine?
It is mainly the wording of the attached full letter that is offensive.
2) err, woops sent with attachments delayed and now I gather it may be
genuine.
Can anyone explain
1) why it was done so ham fistedly (apart from he's a lawyer - nuff
said)
2) what are the rules for the general commons use of Linux?
3) Or should I just change every occurrence of Linux to
GNU/Linux and let those two sort it out {:-).
Original Message
Subject: Use of Linux Trade Mark in Australia
Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 17:12:56 +0800
From: Jeremy Malcolm [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Organization: iLaw
To: undisclosed-recipients:;
Dear Sir or Madam
I act for Linus Torvalds, and I am writing to you about your use of the
trade mark Linux. This is not a letter of demand, but rather a request
for your assistance, and an attempt to inform or remind you of the
rights and obligations associated with the use of the trade mark Linux.
For further information please refer to the attached PDF letter.
Yours faithfully,
Jeremy Malcolm
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[SLUG] Increasing the number of Inodes?
How?
I've googled, man tunefs others, read the HOWTOs but I am none the
wiser as to how I can increase the umber of available inodes in a partition.
The partition is already full, 0 free inodes, but plenty of free blocks
ex2fs, debian sarge.
tune2fs -l /dev/hdb9 if helpful
-- damselfly:/spam-hold/spam-hold# tune2fs -l /dev/hdb9
tune2fs 1.27 (8-Mar-2002)
Filesystem volume name: none
Last mounted on: not available
Filesystem UUID: 1b0e7827-7c4c-4811-98bb-cd3c12f237aa
Filesystem magic number: 0xEF53
Filesystem revision #:1 (dynamic)
Filesystem features: filetype sparse_super
Filesystem state: not clean
Errors behavior: Continue
Filesystem OS type: Linux
Inode count: 626496
Block count: 1251054
Reserved block count: 62552
Free blocks: 260373
Free inodes: 0
First block: 0
Block size: 4096
Fragment size:4096
Blocks per group: 32768
Fragments per group: 32768
Inodes per group: 16064
Inode blocks per group: 502
Last mount time: Mon Jul 18 15:47:04 2005
Last write time: Fri Jul 22 02:18:38 2005
Mount count: 49
Maximum mount count: 38
Last checked: Tue Mar 2 21:23:26 2004
Check interval: 15552000 (6 months)
Next check after: Sun Aug 29 20:23:26 2004
Reserved blocks uid: 0 (user root)
Reserved blocks gid: 0 (group root)
First inode: 11
Inode size: 128
damselfly:/spam-hold/spam-hold#
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Re: [SLUG] Ideas for linux internet server hardware.
Rowling, Jill wrote:
Well our home Athlon Debian system seems to know all about fan management
(noisy bugger in summer!).
And don't forget to examine the sound path and sound deadening
opportunites along the way like curtains, canite, etc. sometimes more
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Re: [SLUG] E Commerce
Phil Manuel wrote:
all in all it is trade off between the hassle of
taking online orders or potentially losing sales.
And you forgot the most important; limiting the ways that customers
can rip you off. And the merchant fee can be horrendous some times as
well (depends on what you are selling).
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[SLUG] /dev/dsp in use by another program?
I have a CM8738 sound card that I am trying to get running under Debian
stable(sarge) for the Gnome Music to play internet radio sources.
The CD player works okay.
The problem is that each time I ask it to connect, it complains /dev/dsp
is in use by another program. I don't think that there is a program.
So, how do I find out what program it thinks is using the device?
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[SLUG] Installing X on Debian stable.
Okay. I used the first CD of Debian woody to install a basic system,
then ftp/http sources for Debian stable for everything else.
Problem is getting X installed and going. Started reading and it seems X
on Debian stable is now something entirely different.
Two questions
1) what d I need to install to get X + gnome going?
Or
2) Or how do you fix /dev/input/mice not working?
(which is just one of the possible causes).
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Re: [SLUG] Linux Printing
Jamie Honan wrote:
On Thu, Jun 16, 2005 at 09:53:56PM +1000, Richard wrote:
So what did I end up buying, well after running the slide rule over
everything I ended up getting a Kyocera FS-820, the main reasons being
very low TCO compared to all the printers I looked into.
The two main factors were the up front price of only $320ex, and that I
don't have to change the drum for 100,000 pages (you just buy another
printer).
You don't buy the drum but you need toner after 6,000 pages.
Kyocera TK-110 cartridges seem to be $133
Seems a TAD expensive, I wonder what a refiller would cost?
So about 4c per printed page for the first 100,000 pages if you don't
scratch the drum in the meantime.
round-up(100((capital is ($320+gst)/1**5) + (toner is $133/6**3) +
(paper is ~$5/500)) is 4c per page.
Which is normal range pricing to me.
With my lasers, Gestetner GLP800 Scout, HP4v HP5siMX, I have always
found that the refillers are light on toner than the brand cartridges,
but variations in print jobs made it difficult to work out who was the
best value.
One thing I did lean is that Kyocera has a duplexer for ~$700, so I will
not be paying $800-$1,200 to have the 300,000 page service on my HP5si
(we no longer need A3 duplex print).
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[SLUG] Kernel Panic - missing file system from kernel?
I have Debian woody running with kernel 2.2.20.
I am trying to build 2.4.27 and apart from a kernel build that takes a
few hours, each time I try to boot it, I get a kernel panic.
Googling suggests that the problem might be as I don't have initrd, that
the ext2 file system support is not compiled into the kernel, but might
actually becompiled as a module.
The Questions is what setting do I need to change to make it so?
Looking in menuconfig, under file systems, i have
Second extended Fs (not extensions),
Ext3,
/proc and
/dev/pts
all in kernel.
Am I missing something?
Just incase it matters, the hard disk is 775MB from a lappy (1575/16/63).
TIA.
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Re: [SLUG] is a floppy inserted ?
Voytek Eymont wrote:
how do I asses %subject% (from remote acces)
option A) mount -v and see if already mounted, then mount /floppy or
mount /mnt/floppy or whatever to see if it does.
option B) have a floppy drive to see what it does and whittle it down to
a floppy loaded tester.
option C) someone must have done this before {:-).
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[SLUG] URL for network install of base systems
I am doing a network install of Debian woody[1].
It has downloaded the rescue.bin file across the internet, but
I can not workout the URL to supply for installing the base system
Does anyone know?
[1] because then I then need to do an upgrade to sarge to see what the
issues are/will be in upgrading the main systems.
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Re: [SLUG] Help with apt-get pinning
Roger Barnes wrote:
Okay, what does it mean when it says there is nothing to upgrade?
I have a basic woody installation and
/etc/apt/spurces.list says stable, not woody.
I am trying the Pacific.net.au mirror.
http://mirror.pacific.net.au/debian/dists/stable/Release says that stable ==
sarge.
Did you do an apt-get update first?
Yes and even a dist-upgrade as well.
- Rog
Perhaps this is wrongly formatted.
deb ftp://ftp.debian.pacific.net.au/debian-security stable/updates main
contrib non-free
Otherwise, itmst be the seven woody CDroms listed first in
/etc/apt/sources.list.
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[SLUG] Debian Woody Dynamic MMap ran out of room.
Hello folks
Are there any fiddles (other than extra RAMM[1]) to solve this error
message Dynamic MMAP ran out of room when using apt-get?
Have 128Mb of Ramm and 256Mb of swap.
[1] naah, it would just be flamebait to stay anything.
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Re: [SLUG] Scheduling a X GUI Application to start
Adam W wrote:
Basically optusnet cable gives you free bandwidth from 2am til 9am. I
want BitTorrent (python script) to start up at 2am, (and prefferably
stop at 9am) automatically so that i can take full advantage of this
free bandwidth without wasting my other bandwidth all the time.
I will try your suggestions and let you know.
cron
at
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Re: [SLUG] Help with apt-get pinning
Simon Bowden wrote:
Michael,
Do a dist-upgrade, not an upgrade. An upgrade doesn't try hard enough -
it won't remove packages. dist-upgrade does, thus can resolve conflicts.
Okay, what does it mean when it says there is nothing to upgrade?
I have a basic woody installation and
/etc/apt/spurces.list says stable, not woody.
I am trying the Pacific.net.au mirror.
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[SLUG] Create boot to Linux floppy
Okay, I have a possibly stuffed lappie hard disk that I can not
partition with any of the MS OS's, so I want to create a Linux floppy
and boot off it to be able to run FDISK on the lappie floppy.
Yes, I have tried to install Debian woody, but it barf's continually
when it comes to partitioning the hard disk. Rescue floppies just kernel
panic no matter what I try.
It is a 6Gb (13328/15/63) Hitachi lappie hard disk (pre-used) that I
have had running under another OS in my DEC Multia(Intel). Prior to
installing Debian woody, I cleaned out the partition table with win95
FDisk and now I can not write to the partition table with any thing at
my disposal.
Either the lappie hard disk has finally died, or there is a trick or two
thatI've forgotten over the years.
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[SLUG] Debian /etc/apt/sources.list
I know this has been posted before, but searching on the archive doesn't
spit anything related out
Looking for a listing of Debian Wooody(stable) /etc/apt/sources.list
Particularly australian source for security.
I've just done a base installation of cdroms and apt-get update spews
over the default security setting.
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[SLUG] Upgrading Firefox on Debian Woody
Has anyone been able to do this?
I am attempting to upgrade Firefox (V0.7) on Debian Woody, but it seems
to be at am impass.
Have downloads the 1.0.4 upgrade and attempted to install it.
First problem is that it requires libstdc++.so.5. and Woody only has up
to V3.
Does anyone know of a way around this?
This all started when I went looking for a plug-in to display gifs
(mutter mutter, tax stuff using whereis for distances)
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[SLUG] Ubuntu - changing global keyboard type
Can anyone tell me how to change the global default keyboard for Ubuntu
(Warty?)
I think this one was installed with the UK keyboard and it is missing
the | (pipe) key, so it is making it rather hard to find what to fiddle
to fix it.
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Re: [SLUG] Re: Sources for Debian Sid (stable)
Matthew Palmer wrote:
On Thu, May 19, 2005 at 02:52:49PM +1000, Terry Collins wrote:
What entry do people have in their /etc/apt/sources.list for debian
stable(sid)?
I am trying to upgrade/? from woody to sid and changing stable to
unstable produced a pile of error messages about package lists.
Did you apt-get update before you tried apt-get dist-upgrade?
After looking through the Debian doco, I asked on #debian and someone
gave me the run down.
Then it was E:NMAP --ran out of space, blah
Once again #debian for APT::Cache somthing or other
then it was complaining about the 2nd 3rd lines of apt.conf (which
don't exists and since I had already spent oodles of time trying to
match some more RAM sticks together as well, I said fdisk /dev/hda and
purged the partition table {:-)
And now I'm giving Ubuntu a whirl (only 2hours to update {:-{
deb http://ftp.wa.au.debian.org/debian sid main
Thanks. Will keep that in mind.
The machine has been cobbled together from sus and old hardware just to
fiddle with in spare time, so if it doesn't loose it's magic smoke, I'll
be back to try it all again. I really, really, really should update my
mailer {:-).
At least it is faring better than the Dell PPro that pissed me off the
other day - scrap metal {:-). Actually, the CD from it is in this one
atm. The Acer 40=x CD was doing bouts of the Hokey Pokey to get
attention (you put your cup holder in, you put your cup holder out, your
put your cup holder in.)
Thanks All - time for Dr Poo!
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