Re: Does SeaMonkey support Windows 8?

2012-11-16 Thread Desiree

Desiree wrote:

Under System Requirements for SeaMonkey Windows 8 is not mentioned. Why?
Does SM not work on Windows 8 (desktop not Metro)? I need it to work because
a Windows 8 computer is on its way. and ALL 8 of my EMail addresses are POP
only. I'm planning on using SeaMonkey Mail but now I am worried about it
working on Windows 8.


I got my new Windows 8 computer today and HATE IE 10.  I immediately 
installed SeaMonkey.  It works fine so far except for the hideous blue 
font in this reply window.

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Re: Does SeaMonkey support Windows 8?

2012-11-12 Thread sean . n . bean

On 11/8/2012 6:27 PM, Desiree wrote:

Under System Requirements for SeaMonkey Windows 8 is not mentioned. Why?
Does SM not work on Windows 8 (desktop not Metro)? I need it to work because
a Windows 8 computer is on its way. and ALL 8 of my EMail addresses are POP
only. I'm planning on using SeaMonkey Mail but now I am worried about it
working on Windows 8.


for what its worth, I LOVE Windows 8 on my old laptop... i dunno why 
anyone is complaining about it. Metro has interesting features, and 
doesn't need touch screen capability to swipe across the screen, both 
the right/left arrows  center scroll mouse wheel take over swipe 
functionality on non-touch screens...


but one doesn't ever have to use it if one stays in the desktop...

its best not to become sticks in the mud... Win 8 is very very sweet...

sean



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Re: Does SeaMonkey support Windows 8?

2012-11-12 Thread Desiree

MCBastos myemail@example.invalid wrote in message 
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 Interviewed by CNN on 10/11/2012 11:27, Desiree told the world:

 Now I am confused. I thought Win 8 was Metro or Desktop and when on 
 Desktop
 you keep getting flipped into Metro when you don't want that. So, you 
 have
 to do all sorts of third party fixes and tweaks to keep from being 
 flipped
 to Metro which a desktop user wants to avoid completely, right? The real
 difference is what sort of monitor you have. I have no intention of 
 buying a
 24 Dell Ultrsharp that is touch screen! YUCK! You need Metro for
 touch...what else would you need it for? So, hardware that has a touch
 screen, some laptops and tablets and ultrabooks would require Metro
 ...everything else would be Desktop side. Right?

 Is there is special Tablet version of Win 8?

 The tablet version (more accurately called the ARM CPU version) is
 called Windows RT. It is *only* Metro, and does not not support desktop
 applications at all.

 I have tested Windows 8 Pro x64 in a brand-new Dell laptop (one which
 came with Windows 7 and does not have a touchscreen, by the way);
 generally speaking, the whole experience of using it for regular Windows
 desktop stuff has been disappointing; the whole
 switch-back-to-Metro-to-start-a-new-app is annoying. I didn't figure out
 yet a convenient way to create desktop icons for applications, which
 would help a lot -- it is possible to do it the hard way, but I didn't
 find something equivalent to right-mouse-drag-from-the-Start-Menu.

 But I had no problems running old apps on it; I even managed to install
 MS Money 99 -- yes, a *fourteen-year-old* app written for *Windows 98*.
 Basically, it happily accepted any application that Windows 7 could run.
 System utilities are a different matter, of course. But I expect
 Seamonkey will run fine in Windows 8 desktop. The Windows 8 specific
 bugs somebody listed, from what I saw, are mostly related to setting up
 convenient shortcuts and defining SM as a default application and
 shouldn't keep it from working correctly.

If MS Money from '99 will run on it, I sure wish Word before 2007 would. I 
have MS Money for W98 but I want earlier version (non ribbon) of Word to run 
but have been told it will not.



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Re: Does SeaMonkey support Windows 8?

2012-11-12 Thread Desiree

sean.n.b...@invalid.wizard.net wrote in message 
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 On 11/8/2012 6:27 PM, Desiree wrote:
 Under System Requirements for SeaMonkey Windows 8 is not mentioned. Why?
 Does SM not work on Windows 8 (desktop not Metro)? I need it to work 
 because
 a Windows 8 computer is on its way. and ALL 8 of my EMail addresses are 
 POP
 only. I'm planning on using SeaMonkey Mail but now I am worried about it
 working on Windows 8.

 I have installed the Windows 8 Consumer Preview running on an old Toshiba 
 Qosmio F25 laptop, just for kicks I just downloaded Seamonkey 2.13.2...

 Its running just fine in the Windows 8 desktop mode...

 let me reboot and see what happens...

 i had to dig in program files to find the Seamonkey.exe, dragged it down 
 and pinned it to the taskbar... works like a charm

 sean

That is good newsI read that you have to pin applications to the 
taskbar.



 


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Re: Does SeaMonkey support Windows 8?

2012-11-12 Thread Zanqeutil

Snip

Desiree wrote:


If MS Money from '99 will run on it, I sure wish Word before 2007 would. I
have MS Money for W98 but I want earlier version (non ribbon) of Word to run
but have been told it will not.



I know this is a bit OT here but you can run Office 2007 -2010 in non 
ribbon mode. There is a free tool UbitMenu to do this. It's free for 
private use. I don't know if it will run in Windows 8.


http://www.howtogeek.com/80100/how-to-bring-back-the-old-menus-in-office-2007-2/

http://www.ubitmenu.com/

Free version
http://www.ubitmenu.com/index.php?option=com_contentview=articleid=57Itemid=34lang=en

Zanqeutil

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Re: Does SeaMonkey support Windows 8?

2012-11-12 Thread Desiree

Zanqeutil zanqeu...@nomatterwhat.com wrote in message 
news:cmmdnrd5emsosd3nnz2dnuvz_qqdn...@mozilla.org...
 Snip

 Desiree wrote:

 If MS Money from '99 will run on it, I sure wish Word before 2007 would. 
 I
 have MS Money for W98 but I want earlier version (non ribbon) of Word to 
 run
 but have been told it will not.


 I know this is a bit OT here but you can run Office 2007 -2010 in non 
 ribbon mode. There is a free tool UbitMenu to do this. It's free for 
 private use. I don't know if it will run in Windows 8.

 http://www.howtogeek.com/80100/how-to-bring-back-the-old-menus-in-office-2007-2/

 http://www.ubitmenu.com/

 Free version
 http://www.ubitmenu.com/index.php?option=com_contentview=articleid=57Itemid=34lang=en

 Zanqeutil


Thanks for the links. I remember after the Office 2007 public 6 month beta 
that I did (and never got used to the ribbon) that I read there was PAID 
($50) software that would take away the ribbon. But I never read about any 
free software and I just kept using Word 2002.  A trial of Office 2010 for 
Student and Home comes on my new computer.  I might buy that version of 
Office if I can get free software to take away the ribbon. 


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Re: Does SeaMonkey support Windows 8?

2012-11-12 Thread Zanqeutil

Desiree schreef:

Zanqeutil zanqeu...@nomatterwhat.com wrote in message
news:cmmdnrd5emsosd3nnz2dnuvz_qqdn...@mozilla.org...

Snip

Desiree wrote:


If MS Money from '99 will run on it, I sure wish Word before 2007 would.
I
have MS Money for W98 but I want earlier version (non ribbon) of Word to
run
but have been told it will not.



I know this is a bit OT here but you can run Office 2007 -2010 in non
ribbon mode. There is a free tool UbitMenu to do this. It's free for
private use. I don't know if it will run in Windows 8.

http://www.howtogeek.com/80100/how-to-bring-back-the-old-menus-in-office-2007-2/

http://www.ubitmenu.com/

Free version
http://www.ubitmenu.com/index.php?option=com_contentview=articleid=57Itemid=34lang=en

Zanqeutil



Thanks for the links. I remember after the Office 2007 public 6 month beta
that I did (and never got used to the ribbon) that I read there was PAID
($50) software that would take away the ribbon. But I never read about any
free software and I just kept using Word 2002.  A trial of Office 2010 for
Student and Home comes on my new computer.  I might buy that version of
Office if I can get free software to take away the ribbon.


I'm quite sure UbitMenu will work in Windows 8, it just copies 3 files 
to the office 2010 startup folders (for Word, Excel and Powerpoint).
(Word)UBitMenu04XX.dotx,(Excel)UBitMenu04XX.xlam,(Powerpoint) 
UBitMenu04XX.ppam


They are just Office add-ins, no executable files. Ubit sometimes copies 
them to the 'wrong' location, you can easely relocate them.


http://www.zerosignal.co.uk/2010/06/enabling-the-classic-menu-bar-ubitmenu-add-in-in-office-2007-2010-for-all-users/

http://helpdeskgeek.com/office-tips/use-office-2003-menus-in-office-2007-and-2010/

If you get your new machine and have any trouble doing this just ask in 
Mozilla General because this is a Seamonkey newsgroup.



Zanqeutil



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Re: Does SeaMonkey support Windows 8?

2012-11-12 Thread PhillipJones

sean.n.b...@invalid.wizard.net wrote:

On 11/8/2012 6:27 PM, Desiree wrote:

Under System Requirements for SeaMonkey Windows 8 is not mentioned. Why?
Does SM not work on Windows 8 (desktop not Metro)? I need it to work
because
a Windows 8 computer is on its way. and ALL 8 of my EMail addresses
are POP
only. I'm planning on using SeaMonkey Mail but now I am worried about it
working on Windows 8.


I have installed the Windows 8 Consumer Preview running on an old
Toshiba Qosmio F25 laptop, just for kicks I just downloaded Seamonkey
2.13.2...

Its running just fine in the Windows 8 desktop mode...

let me reboot and see what happens...

i had to dig in program files to find the Seamonkey.exe, dragged it down
and pinned it to the taskbar... works like a charm

sean




The latest version of SeaMonkey should work just Fine. Mozilla is more 
or less putting all their eggs in one Basket.


Although SeaMonkey is under the Mozilla Umbrella a different Group of 
people are working on SeaMonkey. The Mozilla Main office is simply 
ignoring SeaMonkey and Thunderbird for that Matter. They just recently 
announce That they will only do Bug fixes and updates in code to 
ThunderBird as Email New Clients have progressed as far as they can 
progress so far as additions and inovation. So most RD wil be shifted 
to FireFox only.
SeaMonkey still uses FireFox's code base for the Web Browser and 
ThunderBird's code base for mail and News. So until the engineers in 
charge get tired or croak SeaMonkey will continue to be. I dread the 
Thoughts of the Day SeaMonkey will no longer be available. It get much 
enjoyment out of Reading newsgroups and Email. And not much of a Fan of 
the web based email Readers. I tolerate them because Microsoft and Adobe 
have gone strictly to that. I find it amazing that NNTP has never gone 
down in its entire existence (except for the occasional Server 
(equipment)melt down NNTP was first put into operation as a Joint 
project between the armed services and Major Universities back in the 
late 50's early 60's. But all this new wave web based email and 
newsgroup stuff contantaly has problems. Fun how older technology always 
end up more reliable than new.


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Re: Does SeaMonkey support Windows 8?

2012-11-11 Thread Daniel

WaltS wrote:

On 11/08/2012 08:27 PM, Desiree wrote:

Under System Requirements for SeaMonkey Windows 8 is not mentioned. Why?
Does SM not work on Windows 8 (desktop not Metro)? I need it to work
because
a Windows 8 computer is on its way. and ALL 8 of my EMail addresses
are POP
only. I'm planning on using SeaMonkey Mail but now I am worried about it
working on Windows 8.




If Windows 8 is Windows NT 6.2, it appears that users are trying it from
the Seamonkey latest release channel daily active installations by OS
section of

https://metrics.mozilla.com/stats/seamonkey.shtml

Scroll down to version 2.13 to see how many are active.

The first table is the number of SeaMonkey downloads.

Working for them? I dunno.



I was going to ask how came the third table, Seamonkey latest release 
channel daily active installations by OS, had no data for releases more 
recent than 2.9, but happened to scroll down and found the more recent 
versions sandwiched between versions 2.1 and 2.2!!


Maybe, when we're moved to Ver 3.x, it will be 3.01, 3.02, etc!!

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Re: Does SeaMonkey support Windows 8?

2012-11-11 Thread MCBastos
Interviewed by CNN on 11/11/2012 04:31, Desiree told the world:

 
 I thought Thunderbird was not being further developed. 

Well, yes and no. As I understand it, Thunderbird has been sorta put in
the back-burner. There's no longer any big push to add new features to
it, partly because e-mail as a class is a rather mature application and
people can't think of any major features worth adding. But there's still
maintenance and development of minor features, themes and such.

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Re: Does SeaMonkey support Windows 8?

2012-11-11 Thread MCBastos
Interviewed by CNN on 10/11/2012 11:27, Desiree told the world:

 Now I am confused. I thought Win 8 was Metro or Desktop and when on Desktop 
 you keep getting flipped into Metro when you don't want that. So, you have 
 to do all sorts of third party fixes and tweaks to keep from being flipped 
 to Metro which a desktop user wants to avoid completely, right? The real 
 difference is what sort of monitor you have. I have no intention of buying a 
 24 Dell Ultrsharp that is touch screen! YUCK! You need Metro for 
 touch...what else would you need it for? So, hardware that has a touch 
 screen, some laptops and tablets and ultrabooks would require Metro 
 ...everything else would be Desktop side. Right?
 
 Is there is special Tablet version of Win 8? 

The tablet version (more accurately called the ARM CPU version) is
called Windows RT. It is *only* Metro, and does not not support desktop
applications at all.

I have tested Windows 8 Pro x64 in a brand-new Dell laptop (one which
came with Windows 7 and does not have a touchscreen, by the way);
generally speaking, the whole experience of using it for regular Windows
desktop stuff has been disappointing; the whole
switch-back-to-Metro-to-start-a-new-app is annoying. I didn't figure out
yet a convenient way to create desktop icons for applications, which
would help a lot -- it is possible to do it the hard way, but I didn't
find something equivalent to right-mouse-drag-from-the-Start-Menu.

But I had no problems running old apps on it; I even managed to install
MS Money 99 -- yes, a *fourteen-year-old* app written for *Windows 98*.
Basically, it happily accepted any application that Windows 7 could run.
System utilities are a different matter, of course. But I expect
Seamonkey will run fine in Windows 8 desktop. The Windows 8 specific
bugs somebody listed, from what I saw, are mostly related to setting up
convenient shortcuts and defining SM as a default application and
shouldn't keep it from working correctly.

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Re: Does SeaMonkey support Windows 8?

2012-11-11 Thread sean . n . bean

On 11/8/2012 6:27 PM, Desiree wrote:

Under System Requirements for SeaMonkey Windows 8 is not mentioned. Why?
Does SM not work on Windows 8 (desktop not Metro)? I need it to work because
a Windows 8 computer is on its way. and ALL 8 of my EMail addresses are POP
only. I'm planning on using SeaMonkey Mail but now I am worried about it
working on Windows 8.


I have installed the Windows 8 Consumer Preview running on an old 
Toshiba Qosmio F25 laptop, just for kicks I just downloaded Seamonkey 
2.13.2...


Its running just fine in the Windows 8 desktop mode...

let me reboot and see what happens...

i had to dig in program files to find the Seamonkey.exe, dragged it down 
and pinned it to the taskbar... works like a charm


sean




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Re: Does SeaMonkey support Windows 8?

2012-11-10 Thread Desiree

Michael Gordon mgord...@earthlink.net wrote in message 
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 Desiree wrote:
 Philip TAYLOR p.tay...@rhul.ac.uk wrote in message
 news:mailman.2182.1352451002.15607.support-seamon...@lists.mozilla.org...


 Michael Gordon wrote:

 After going to the SM download page and searching around for several
 minutes I found this page:
 http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/system-requirements

 Base on what I did not read I have to presume SM will not support
 Windows 8.

 The presumption might be valid, on the basis solely of that document,
 but historically Seamonkey has a first-class record of tracking
 Windows releases, and I cannot imagine for one moment that Windows 8
 (love it or loathe it*) will be any different in that respect.

 Philip Taylor
 
 * Microsoft have the uncanny knack of taking one step forwards
 with alternate releases of Windows and two steps back with the
 next release; Windows 7, whilst its search facilities are
 abysmal, is not bad, and is certainly far more efficient than
 XP.  I therefore have little hope for Windows 8 being anything
 other than The new Vista :-(

 I can't imagine Windows 8 not being supported eventually...but what about
 NOW? How soon? My present computer is dying and it's old. My new one 
 arrives
 next week. Should I install SM or not? I am NOT referring to a version of 
 SM
 that will work on Metro. I will be on Desktop most of the time (all of 
 the
 time if I can figure out how to do that).




 Desiree,

 It looks like we have stirred the Hornets Nest with your question.
 The bottom line for you is how to get your e-mail if SM will not install.

 You have a few options:
 1. If all your e-mail accounts are hosted by your ISP you can use their 
 Web Mail interface and access to your mail.
 2. If your mail accounts are hosted by different mail servers you can use 
 a third party access point like mail2web.com to access all your accounts. 
 ( http://www.mail2web.com/ )

 Michael G

My most used account is not with my ISP. I cannot stand my ISP's web mail. 
It is horrible. I never use it.  I have used mail2web.com several years ago 
when on vacation and it is ok for AWHILE.  But I need a mail client on my 
computer...not web mail as a permanent solution. I had assumed I could use 
Sea Monkey. Claws and Postbox 3 work on Windows 8. Thunderbird works on 
Windows 8.  I haven't used Thunderbird in years but I guess I may have to 
try it. 


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Re: Does SeaMonkey support Windows 8?

2012-11-10 Thread Desiree

Ed Mullen e...@mungeedmullen.net wrote in message 
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 Desiree wrote:
 Under System Requirements for SeaMonkey Windows 8 is not mentioned. Why?
 Does SM not work on Windows 8 (desktop not Metro)? I need it to work 
 because
 a Windows 8 computer is on its way. and ALL 8 of my EMail addresses are 
 POP
 only. I'm planning on using SeaMonkey Mail but now I am worried about it
 working on Windows 8.



 As reported in other threads, yes, SM works in W8, no compatability mode, 
 no tweaks, nada.  It works.  As does Firefox.  Haven't tested Thunderbird 
 but I couldn't care less.

 -- 
 Ed Mullen
 http://edmullen.net/
 If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague.

That's good to hear. As for Thunderbird, I have friends at dslreports who 
have Win 8 and have Thunderbird working fine and a Google search finds sites 
where folks are recommending Thunderbird as the email client to use on Win 
8.  But I'd like to use SeaMonkey mail if it works. 


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Re: Does SeaMonkey support Windows 8?

2012-11-10 Thread Jim Dell

Ed Mullen wrote:

Desiree wrote:

Under System Requirements for SeaMonkey Windows 8 is not mentioned. Why?
Does SM not work on Windows 8 (desktop not Metro)? I need it to work
because
a Windows 8 computer is on its way. and ALL 8 of my EMail addresses
are POP
only. I'm planning on using SeaMonkey Mail but now I am worried about it
working on Windows 8.




As reported in other threads, yes, SM works in W8, no compatability
mode, no tweaks, nada.  It works.  As does Firefox.  Haven't tested
Thunderbird but I couldn't care less.

I think it would be good to specify the type of hardware used.  I think 
there is going to be some confusion over the different types of Windows 
8.  Make sure people know it's not the tablet version.


Jim
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Re: Does SeaMonkey support Windows 8?

2012-11-10 Thread Desiree

Jim Dell del...@yahoo.com wrote in message 
news:moydnqfuk6elzwpnnz2dnuvz_redn...@mozilla.org...
 Ed Mullen wrote:
 Desiree wrote:
 Under System Requirements for SeaMonkey Windows 8 is not mentioned. Why?
 Does SM not work on Windows 8 (desktop not Metro)? I need it to work
 because
 a Windows 8 computer is on its way. and ALL 8 of my EMail addresses
 are POP
 only. I'm planning on using SeaMonkey Mail but now I am worried about it
 working on Windows 8.



 As reported in other threads, yes, SM works in W8, no compatability
 mode, no tweaks, nada.  It works.  As does Firefox.  Haven't tested
 Thunderbird but I couldn't care less.

 I think it would be good to specify the type of hardware used.  I think 
 there is going to be some confusion over the different types of Windows 8. 
 Make sure people know it's not the tablet version.

 Jim

Now I am confused. I thought Win 8 was Metro or Desktop and when on Desktop 
you keep getting flipped into Metro when you don't want that. So, you have 
to do all sorts of third party fixes and tweaks to keep from being flipped 
to Metro which a desktop user wants to avoid completely, right? The real 
difference is what sort of monitor you have. I have no intention of buying a 
24 Dell Ultrsharp that is touch screen! YUCK! You need Metro for 
touch...what else would you need it for? So, hardware that has a touch 
screen, some laptops and tablets and ultrabooks would require Metro 
...everything else would be Desktop side. Right?

Is there is special Tablet version of Win 8? 


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Re: Does SeaMonkey support Windows 8?

2012-11-10 Thread WaltS

On 11/10/2012 08:27 AM, Desiree wrote:

Jim Dell del...@yahoo.com wrote in message
news:moydnqfuk6elzwpnnz2dnuvz_redn...@mozilla.org...

Ed Mullen wrote:

Desiree wrote:

Under System Requirements for SeaMonkey Windows 8 is not mentioned. Why?
Does SM not work on Windows 8 (desktop not Metro)? I need it to work
because
a Windows 8 computer is on its way. and ALL 8 of my EMail addresses
are POP
only. I'm planning on using SeaMonkey Mail but now I am worried about it
working on Windows 8.




As reported in other threads, yes, SM works in W8, no compatability
mode, no tweaks, nada.  It works.  As does Firefox.  Haven't tested
Thunderbird but I couldn't care less.


I think it would be good to specify the type of hardware used.  I think
there is going to be some confusion over the different types of Windows 8.
Make sure people know it's not the tablet version.

Jim


Now I am confused. I thought Win 8 was Metro or Desktop and when on Desktop
you keep getting flipped into Metro when you don't want that. So, you have
to do all sorts of third party fixes and tweaks to keep from being flipped
to Metro which a desktop user wants to avoid completely, right? The real
difference is what sort of monitor you have. I have no intention of buying a
24 Dell Ultrsharp that is touch screen! YUCK! You need Metro for
touch...what else would you need it for? So, hardware that has a touch
screen, some laptops and tablets and ultrabooks would require Metro
...everything else would be Desktop side. Right?

Is there is special Tablet version of Win 8?




Surface

www.microsoft.com/Surface/en-US/surface-with-windows-rt/home

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Re: Does SeaMonkey support Windows 8?

2012-11-10 Thread Ed Mullen

Desiree wrote:

Jim Dell del...@yahoo.com wrote in message
news:moydnqfuk6elzwpnnz2dnuvz_redn...@mozilla.org...

Ed Mullen wrote:

Desiree wrote:

Under System Requirements for SeaMonkey Windows 8 is not mentioned. Why?
Does SM not work on Windows 8 (desktop not Metro)? I need it to work
because
a Windows 8 computer is on its way. and ALL 8 of my EMail addresses
are POP
only. I'm planning on using SeaMonkey Mail but now I am worried about it
working on Windows 8.




As reported in other threads, yes, SM works in W8, no compatability
mode, no tweaks, nada.  It works.  As does Firefox.  Haven't tested
Thunderbird but I couldn't care less.


I think it would be good to specify the type of hardware used.  I think
there is going to be some confusion over the different types of Windows 8.
Make sure people know it's not the tablet version.

Jim


Now I am confused. I thought Win 8 was Metro or Desktop and when on Desktop
you keep getting flipped into Metro when you don't want that. So, you have
to do all sorts of third party fixes and tweaks to keep from being flipped
to Metro which a desktop user wants to avoid completely, right? The real
difference is what sort of monitor you have. I have no intention of buying a
24 Dell Ultrsharp that is touch screen! YUCK! You need Metro for
touch...what else would you need it for? So, hardware that has a touch
screen, some laptops and tablets and ultrabooks would require Metro
...everything else would be Desktop side. Right?

Is there is special Tablet version of Win 8?




There are different versions, three if I remember correctly.  PC, and 
two versions for tablets with two different processors.  I'm testing it 
on an Intel PC, 3 GB RAM, dual-core 3 GHz Pentium D.  No touch screen.


I've only made three tweaks, very simple.  One brings back the W7 Aero 
Peek button on the task bar for a quick way to get to the desktop, 
another is to boot to the desktop, and the third was a free utility to 
bring back the Start menu.  I spent a total of about 5 minutes on all three.


And I say testing because after running the W8 Upgrade Assistant I 
learned I'll have to upgrade Office 2003 since it's not compatible with 
W8.  So I've got this system setup with a dual-boot startup with both W7 
and W8 to choose from.


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Re: Does SeaMonkey support Windows 8?

2012-11-10 Thread Michael Gordon

Desiree wrote:

Michael Gordon mgord...@earthlink.net wrote in message
news:fqqdnvvm2ek8qwdnnz2dnuvz_rudn...@mozilla.org...

Desiree wrote:

Philip TAYLOR p.tay...@rhul.ac.uk wrote in message
news:mailman.2182.1352451002.15607.support-seamon...@lists.mozilla.org...



Michael Gordon wrote:


After going to the SM download page and searching around for several
minutes I found this page:
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/system-requirements

Base on what I did not read I have to presume SM will not support
Windows 8.


The presumption might be valid, on the basis solely of that document,
but historically Seamonkey has a first-class record of tracking
Windows releases, and I cannot imagine for one moment that Windows 8
(love it or loathe it*) will be any different in that respect.

Philip Taylor

* Microsoft have the uncanny knack of taking one step forwards
with alternate releases of Windows and two steps back with the
next release; Windows 7, whilst its search facilities are
abysmal, is not bad, and is certainly far more efficient than
XP.  I therefore have little hope for Windows 8 being anything
other than The new Vista :-(


I can't imagine Windows 8 not being supported eventually...but what about
NOW? How soon? My present computer is dying and it's old. My new one
arrives
next week. Should I install SM or not? I am NOT referring to a version of
SM
that will work on Metro. I will be on Desktop most of the time (all of
the
time if I can figure out how to do that).





Desiree,

It looks like we have stirred the Hornets Nest with your question.
The bottom line for you is how to get your e-mail if SM will not install.

You have a few options:
1. If all your e-mail accounts are hosted by your ISP you can use their
Web Mail interface and access to your mail.
2. If your mail accounts are hosted by different mail servers you can use
a third party access point like mail2web.com to access all your accounts.
( http://www.mail2web.com/ )

Michael G


My most used account is not with my ISP. I cannot stand my ISP's web mail.
It is horrible. I never use it.  I have used mail2web.com several years ago
when on vacation and it is ok for AWHILE.  But I need a mail client on my
computer...not web mail as a permanent solution. I had assumed I could use
Sea Monkey. Claws and Postbox 3 work on Windows 8. Thunderbird works on
Windows 8.  I haven't used Thunderbird in years but I guess I may have to
try it.




Desiree,

You could install Thunderbird for a few months (years) until SM becomes 
compatibles with Win 8.  Then install SM and migrate all your profile 
accounts from TB to SM.


Or, you just may find you like the TB mail client well enough to switch 
permanently.


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Re: Does SeaMonkey support Windows 8?

2012-11-10 Thread WaltS

On 11/08/2012 08:27 PM, Desiree wrote:

Under System Requirements for SeaMonkey Windows 8 is not mentioned. Why?
Does SM not work on Windows 8 (desktop not Metro)? I need it to work because
a Windows 8 computer is on its way. and ALL 8 of my EMail addresses are POP
only. I'm planning on using SeaMonkey Mail but now I am worried about it
working on Windows 8.




If Windows 8 is Windows NT 6.2, it appears that users are trying it from 
the Seamonkey latest release channel daily active installations by OS 
section of


https://metrics.mozilla.com/stats/seamonkey.shtml

Scroll down to version 2.13 to see how many are active.

The first table is the number of SeaMonkey downloads.

Working for them? I dunno.

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Re: Does SeaMonkey support Windows 8?

2012-11-10 Thread Rostyslaw Lewyckyj

Jim Dell wrote:

Ed Mullen wrote:

Desiree wrote:

Under System Requirements for SeaMonkey Windows 8 is not mentioned. Why?
Does SM not work on Windows 8 (desktop not Metro)? I need it to work
because
a Windows 8 computer is on its way. and ALL 8 of my EMail addresses
are POP
only. I'm planning on using SeaMonkey Mail but now I am worried about it
working on Windows 8.




As reported in other threads, yes, SM works in W8, no compatability
mode, no tweaks, nada.  It works.  As does Firefox.  Haven't tested
Thunderbird but I couldn't care less.


I think it would be good to specify the type of hardware used.  I think there is
going to be some confusion over the different types of Windows 8.  Make sure
people know it's not the tablet version.

Jim

Yes it would be good to have a section, or link/pointer to such, that states
clearly and unambiguously that sm 2.xxx works on W8 under the following
configurations.
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Re: Does SeaMonkey support Windows 8?

2012-11-10 Thread Desiree

WaltS wls15...@removeyahoo.com wrote in message 
news:u4idnzwoez2ngapnnz2dnuvz_qydn...@mozilla.org...
 On 11/10/2012 03:56 AM, Desiree wrote:
 Michael Gordon mgord...@earthlink.net wrote in message
 news:fqqdnvvm2ek8qwdnnz2dnuvz_rudn...@mozilla.org...
 Desiree wrote:
 Philip TAYLOR p.tay...@rhul.ac.uk wrote in message
 news:mailman.2182.1352451002.15607.support-seamon...@lists.mozilla.org...


 Michael Gordon wrote:

 After going to the SM download page and searching around for several
 minutes I found this page:
 http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/system-requirements

 Base on what I did not read I have to presume SM will not support
 Windows 8.

 The presumption might be valid, on the basis solely of that document,
 but historically Seamonkey has a first-class record of tracking
 Windows releases, and I cannot imagine for one moment that Windows 8
 (love it or loathe it*) will be any different in that respect.

 Philip Taylor
 
 * Microsoft have the uncanny knack of taking one step forwards
 with alternate releases of Windows and two steps back with the
 next release; Windows 7, whilst its search facilities are
 abysmal, is not bad, and is certainly far more efficient than
 XP.  I therefore have little hope for Windows 8 being anything
 other than The new Vista :-(

 I can't imagine Windows 8 not being supported eventually...but what 
 about
 NOW? How soon? My present computer is dying and it's old. My new one
 arrives
 next week. Should I install SM or not? I am NOT referring to a version 
 of
 SM
 that will work on Metro. I will be on Desktop most of the time (all of
 the
 time if I can figure out how to do that).




 Desiree,

 It looks like we have stirred the Hornets Nest with your question.
 The bottom line for you is how to get your e-mail if SM will not 
 install.

 You have a few options:
 1. If all your e-mail accounts are hosted by your ISP you can use their
 Web Mail interface and access to your mail.
 2. If your mail accounts are hosted by different mail servers you can 
 use
 a third party access point like mail2web.com to access all your 
 accounts.
 ( http://www.mail2web.com/ )

 Michael G

 My most used account is not with my ISP. I cannot stand my ISP's web 
 mail.
 It is horrible. I never use it.  I have used mail2web.com several years 
 ago
 when on vacation and it is ok for AWHILE.  But I need a mail client on my
 computer...not web mail as a permanent solution. I had assumed I could 
 use
 Sea Monkey. Claws and Postbox 3 work on Windows 8. Thunderbird works on
 Windows 8.  I haven't used Thunderbird in years but I guess I may have to
 try it.



 Thunderbird 17.0 will be both a mainstream, and ESR version, due to the 
 new release and governance plan.

 https://etherpad.mozilla.org/tb-releases

 Scheduled to be released on 20-11-2012, along with Firefox.

 Thunderbird 17.0 has the new Australis theme, along with a new AppMenu 
 button (old menu bar still exists), along with several features introduced 
 in previous versions such as Chat, and Big Files.

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Re: Does SeaMonkey support Windows 8?

2012-11-09 Thread Michael Gordon

Desiree wrote:

Under System Requirements for SeaMonkey Windows 8 is not mentioned. Why?
Does SM not work on Windows 8 (desktop not Metro)? I need it to work because
a Windows 8 computer is on its way. and ALL 8 of my EMail addresses are POP
only. I'm planning on using SeaMonkey Mail but now I am worried about it
working on Windows 8.




After going to the SM download page and searching around for several 
minutes I found this page: 
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/system-requirements


Base on what I did not read I have to presume SM will not support Windows 8.

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Re: Does SeaMonkey support Windows 8?

2012-11-09 Thread Philip TAYLOR



Michael Gordon wrote:


After going to the SM download page and searching around for several
minutes I found this page:
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/system-requirements

Base on what I did not read I have to presume SM will not support
Windows 8.


The presumption might be valid, on the basis solely of that document,
but historically Seamonkey has a first-class record of tracking
Windows releases, and I cannot imagine for one moment that Windows 8
(love it or loathe it*) will be any different in that respect.

Philip Taylor

* Microsoft have the uncanny knack of taking one step forwards
with alternate releases of Windows and two steps back with the
next release; Windows 7, whilst its search facilities are
abysmal, is not bad, and is certainly far more efficient than
XP.  I therefore have little hope for Windows 8 being anything
other than The new Vista :-(
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Re: Does SeaMonkey support Windows 8?

2012-11-09 Thread Desiree

Philip TAYLOR p.tay...@rhul.ac.uk wrote in message 
news:mailman.2182.1352451002.15607.support-seamon...@lists.mozilla.org...


 Michael Gordon wrote:

 After going to the SM download page and searching around for several
 minutes I found this page:
 http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/system-requirements

 Base on what I did not read I have to presume SM will not support
 Windows 8.

 The presumption might be valid, on the basis solely of that document,
 but historically Seamonkey has a first-class record of tracking
 Windows releases, and I cannot imagine for one moment that Windows 8
 (love it or loathe it*) will be any different in that respect.

 Philip Taylor
 
 * Microsoft have the uncanny knack of taking one step forwards
 with alternate releases of Windows and two steps back with the
 next release; Windows 7, whilst its search facilities are
 abysmal, is not bad, and is certainly far more efficient than
 XP.  I therefore have little hope for Windows 8 being anything
 other than The new Vista :-(

I can't imagine Windows 8 not being supported eventually...but what about 
NOW? How soon? My present computer is dying and it's old. My new one arrives 
next week. Should I install SM or not? I am NOT referring to a version of SM 
that will work on Metro. I will be on Desktop most of the time (all of the 
time if I can figure out how to do that).



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Re: Does SeaMonkey support Windows 8?

2012-11-09 Thread Jens Hatlak

Desiree wrote:

Under System Requirements for SeaMonkey Windows 8 is not mentioned. Why?


Because AFAIK no-one has tried it yet. Personally, I'll skip Win 8, and 
I could imagine other developers will do, too. Now if we had a developer 
(or active community member) on Win 8 and got a confirmation that 
everything was running OK there, I'd feel a lot better with listing Win 
8 under System Requirements.



Does SM not work on Windows 8 (desktop not Metro)?


As I said I don't know, but I'm almost 100% sure it won't run on 
used-to-be-called Metro since (AFAIK and in contrast to FF) SM has no 
specific code for it.


Greetings,

Jens

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Re: Does SeaMonkey support Windows 8?

2012-11-09 Thread Philip TAYLOR



Jens Hatlak wrote:

Desiree wrote:

Under System Requirements for SeaMonkey Windows 8 is not mentioned. Why?


Because AFAIK no-one has tried it yet. Personally, I'll skip Win 8, and
I could imagine other developers will do, too. Now if we had a developer
(or active community member) on Win 8 and got a confirmation that
everything was running OK there, I'd feel a lot better with listing Win
8 under System Requirements.


Does SM not work on Windows 8 (desktop not Metro)?


As I said I don't know, but I'm almost 100% sure it won't run on
used-to-be-called Metro since (AFAIK and in contrast to FF) SM has no
specific code for it.

Greetings,


But does/will Windows 8 not offer a compatibility mode, as have
previous versions of Windows, that will allow almost all applications
compiled for an earlier release of the O/S to run on the most
recent platform ?  I really cannot imagine Microsoft being so
stupid as to bring out a new version of Windows that offers
no compatibility-mode hooks.

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Re: Does SeaMonkey support Windows 8?

2012-11-09 Thread Philip TAYLOR



Philip TAYLOR wrote:


But does/will Windows 8 not offer a compatibility mode, as have
previous versions of Windows, that will allow almost all applications
compiled for an earlier release of the O/S to run on the most recent
platform ?  I really cannot imagine Microsoft being so stupid as to
bring out a new version of Windows that offers no compatibility-mode
hooks.


and then answered his own question :


http://www.online-tech-tips.com/windows-8/run-a-program-in-compatibility-mode-in-windows-8/


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Re: Does SeaMonkey support Windows 8?

2012-11-09 Thread Desiree

Jens Hatlak j...@junetz.de wrote in message 
news:39odnq2fn6kzvahnnz2dnuvz_v-dn...@mozilla.org...
 Desiree wrote:
 Under System Requirements for SeaMonkey Windows 8 is not mentioned. Why?

 Because AFAIK no-one has tried it yet. Personally, I'll skip Win 8, and I 
 could imagine other developers will do, too. Now if we had a developer (or 
 active community member) on Win 8 and got a confirmation that everything 
 was running OK there, I'd feel a lot better with listing Win 8 under 
 System Requirements.

 Does SM not work on Windows 8 (desktop not Metro)?

 As I said I don't know, but I'm almost 100% sure it won't run on 
 used-to-be-called Metro since (AFAIK and in contrast to FF) SM has no 
 specific code for it.

 Greetings,

 Jens

 -- 
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 SeaMonkey Trunk Tracker http://smtt.blogspot.com/

I wanted to skip Win 8 also, but I want a higher end desktop and good, 
midstream nVidia card. With Dell that means Win 8. The one higher end 
desktop (not Alienware) has only ATI cards if it comes with Win 7.  So, I 
got Win 8 and nVidia 660 GTX.  I didn't order earlier this year since Ivy 
Bridge processor came out partly because Dell was only offering ATI cards on 
this machine and two extremely crappy very lowstream nVidia cards. Now they 
have a good nVidia card, and more coming, but only with Win 8. 


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Re: Does SeaMonkey support Windows 8?

2012-11-09 Thread Desiree

Philip TAYLOR p.tay...@rhul.ac.uk wrote in message 
news:mailman.2195.1352453600.15607.support-seamon...@lists.mozilla.org...


 Philip TAYLOR wrote:

 But does/will Windows 8 not offer a compatibility mode, as have
 previous versions of Windows, that will allow almost all applications
 compiled for an earlier release of the O/S to run on the most recent
 platform ?  I really cannot imagine Microsoft being so stupid as to
 bring out a new version of Windows that offers no compatibility-mode
 hooks.

 and then answered his own question :

 http://www.online-tech-tips.com/windows-8/run-a-program-in-compatibility-mode-in-windows-8/

 Philip Taylor

I didn't think about compatibility mode. I'll install SeaMonkey and see if 
it works. I already have a problem though with the latest SM mail client on 
XP Pro virtual machine saying that the server for my main email address 
rejects the password. That password works fine on Sea Monkey 2.6.1. 


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Re: Does SeaMonkey support Windows 8?

2012-11-09 Thread Robert Kaiser

Desiree schrieb:

Under System Requirements for SeaMonkey Windows 8 is not mentioned. Why?
Does SM not work on Windows 8 (desktop not Metro)?


I'm pretty sure it should work well enough in Classic desktop mode, but 
I don't think it has been tested yet - so please try and report back to 
us (esp. Jens who maintains the requirements page) how well it does!


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Re: Does SeaMonkey support Windows 8?

2012-11-09 Thread Ed Mullen

Robert Kaiser wrote:

Desiree schrieb:

Under System Requirements for SeaMonkey Windows 8 is not mentioned. Why?
Does SM not work on Windows 8 (desktop not Metro)?


I'm pretty sure it should work well enough in Classic desktop mode, but
I don't think it has been tested yet - so please try and report back to
us (esp. Jens who maintains the requirements page) how well it does!

Robert Kaiser


I can say that Firefox does work in W8.  Haven't tried SM yet but I have 
to assume it will too.  I'll try it in a bit and report back.


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Re: Does SeaMonkey support Windows 8?

2012-11-09 Thread Sailfish
My bloviated meandering follows what Desiree graced us with on 11/8/2012 
5:27 PM:
Under System Requirements for SeaMonkey Windows 8 is not mentioned. Why? 
Does SM not work on Windows 8 (desktop not Metro)? I need it to work because 
a Windows 8 computer is on its way. and ALL 8 of my EMail addresses are POP 
only. I'm planning on using SeaMonkey Mail but now I am worried about it 
working on Windows 8. 


Environment: Win8 (win32) 64 bit 5/31/12 Release Preview as VirtualBox Guest

I just downloaded/installed SM2.13.2 and it worked fine. I seriously 
doubt that it will work with winRT (Atom) tablets, though.


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Re: Does SeaMonkey support Windows 8?

2012-11-09 Thread Ed Mullen

Sailfish wrote:

My bloviated meandering follows what Desiree graced us with on 11/8/2012
5:27 PM:

Under System Requirements for SeaMonkey Windows 8 is not mentioned.
Why? Does SM not work on Windows 8 (desktop not Metro)? I need it to
work because a Windows 8 computer is on its way. and ALL 8 of my EMail
addresses are POP only. I'm planning on using SeaMonkey Mail but now I
am worried about it working on Windows 8.

Environment: Win8 (win32) 64 bit 5/31/12 Release Preview as VirtualBox
Guest

I just downloaded/installed SM2.13.2 and it worked fine. I seriously
doubt that it will work with winRT (Atom) tablets, though.



Yep, same here.


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Re: Does SeaMonkey support Windows 8?

2012-11-09 Thread Jens Hatlak

Desiree wrote:

I wanted to skip Win 8 also, but I want a higher end desktop and good,
midstream nVidia card.


So? Buy a desktop computer that fits your needs and includes Win 7, 
ignoring the graphics card (read: including the most crappy one if the 
the system specs otherwise match your requirements), then buy the 
graphics card you want and put it inside. Sell the other one, if you want.


I mean, if you were talking about a laptop I'd understand the problem, 
but here I don't see it.


Anyway, Win 8 is reality, and I'd be surprised if SM didn't run with it. 
And if there are problems, I guess they will be addressed sooner than 
later (with respect to Classic mode only of course).


Greetings,

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Re: Does SeaMonkey support Windows 8?

2012-11-09 Thread Michael Gordon

Desiree wrote:

Philip TAYLOR p.tay...@rhul.ac.uk wrote in message
news:mailman.2182.1352451002.15607.support-seamon...@lists.mozilla.org...



Michael Gordon wrote:


After going to the SM download page and searching around for several
minutes I found this page:
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/system-requirements

Base on what I did not read I have to presume SM will not support
Windows 8.


The presumption might be valid, on the basis solely of that document,
but historically Seamonkey has a first-class record of tracking
Windows releases, and I cannot imagine for one moment that Windows 8
(love it or loathe it*) will be any different in that respect.

Philip Taylor

* Microsoft have the uncanny knack of taking one step forwards
with alternate releases of Windows and two steps back with the
next release; Windows 7, whilst its search facilities are
abysmal, is not bad, and is certainly far more efficient than
XP.  I therefore have little hope for Windows 8 being anything
other than The new Vista :-(


I can't imagine Windows 8 not being supported eventually...but what about
NOW? How soon? My present computer is dying and it's old. My new one arrives
next week. Should I install SM or not? I am NOT referring to a version of SM
that will work on Metro. I will be on Desktop most of the time (all of the
time if I can figure out how to do that).





Desiree,

It looks like we have stirred the Hornets Nest with your question.
The bottom line for you is how to get your e-mail if SM will not install.

You have a few options:
1. If all your e-mail accounts are hosted by your ISP you can use their 
Web Mail interface and access to your mail.
2. If your mail accounts are hosted by different mail servers you can 
use a third party access point like mail2web.com to access all your 
accounts.  ( http://www.mail2web.com/ )


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Re: Does SeaMonkey support Windows 8?

2012-11-09 Thread Philip Chee
On 10/11/2012 00:40, Jens Hatlak wrote:
 Desiree wrote:
 I wanted to skip Win 8 also, but I want a higher end desktop and good,
 midstream nVidia card.
 
 So? Buy a desktop computer that fits your needs and includes Win 7, 
 ignoring the graphics card (read: including the most crappy one if the 
 the system specs otherwise match your requirements), then buy the 
 graphics card you want and put it inside. Sell the other one, if you want.
 
 I mean, if you were talking about a laptop I'd understand the problem, 
 but here I don't see it.
 
 Anyway, Win 8 is reality, and I'd be surprised if SM didn't run with it. 
 And if there are problems, I guess they will be addressed sooner than 
 later (with respect to Classic mode only of course).
 
 Greetings,
 
 Jens

There are some (not essential) Firefox patches that we might want to port:

Bug 760671 - Hide the 'set as default browser' checkbox in the installer
for Windows 8.
Bug 760680 - Update shell integration default browser check for Windows 8.
Bug 764515 - When setting default browser in Windows 8, should also set
non http defaults.
Bug 790667 - Setting default browser should never prompt for UAC on
Windows 8.
Bug 791019 - Default file type association is broken on Windows 8
Bug 807357 - Windows 8 N builds should call SHChangeNotify as per
documentation.

There are probably other patches/bugs. Does anyone have a reliable
Bugzilla query to find these?

Phil

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Re: Does SeaMonkey support Windows 8?

2012-11-09 Thread Ed Mullen

Desiree wrote:

Under System Requirements for SeaMonkey Windows 8 is not mentioned. Why?
Does SM not work on Windows 8 (desktop not Metro)? I need it to work because
a Windows 8 computer is on its way. and ALL 8 of my EMail addresses are POP
only. I'm planning on using SeaMonkey Mail but now I am worried about it
working on Windows 8.




As reported in other threads, yes, SM works in W8, no compatability 
mode, no tweaks, nada.  It works.  As does Firefox.  Haven't tested 
Thunderbird but I couldn't care less.


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Does SeaMonkey support Windows 8?

2012-11-08 Thread Desiree
Under System Requirements for SeaMonkey Windows 8 is not mentioned. Why? 
Does SM not work on Windows 8 (desktop not Metro)? I need it to work because 
a Windows 8 computer is on its way. and ALL 8 of my EMail addresses are POP 
only. I'm planning on using SeaMonkey Mail but now I am worried about it 
working on Windows 8. 


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