about:config (was: Re: User agent problem)

[Daniel]

On 30/03/2016 2:35 AM, NFN Smith wrote:



One other consideration -- if you're spoofing in Seamonkey, that applies
not only your browser, but what is put in your outbound mail, as well. I
run the Display Mail User Agent extension (which I find useful for
quickly knowing what mail or news client a person is using).
Occasionally, when I'm filing stuff from my Sent folder, I'll notice
that a message will show an orange Firefox logo, rather than a blue
Seamonkey logo, and that tells me that I forgot to reset spoofing, when
I was done with needing it.

Smith


If you are just wanting to see what mail and/or news client a person is 
using, why would you need to run an additional extension (now that our 
computers are all squeezed from RAM and HD space!! ;-P  ), when all you 
have to do is enter about:config in the address bar, accept the warning, 
then in the "Search Bar" enter "mailnews.headers.showUserAgent" and set 
its Boolean function to "true" (by double clicking on it, I think!).


Then if you had you e-mail set up to show the four line header, it will 
now display five lines!!


WFM!!

Weeell! Somewhere along the lines, I've also picked up a Preference 
named "mailnews . headers . showUserAgent"  note all the extra 
spaces?? I don't know what they're about!!


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User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:42.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/42.0 SeaMonkey/2.39 Build identifier: 20151028234211

or
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:41.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.38 Build identifier: 20150903203501

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Re: User agent problem

[NFN Smith]

Ken Rudolph wrote:

Since I already had PrefBar installed that worked!!  Until you told me
how to edit the installation strings I had no idea how to update the
User Agents to something modern that Chase would accept.  (i.e.
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/45.0
)  Unfortunately, every time I load SeaMonkey I have to select my new
string in the User Agent box again, but that isn't a big problem. By the
way, I love the PrefBar and couldn't use SM without it!  It's especially
useful for disabling Flash until I absolutely must have it for one use
and then get rid of it.

Thank you!  Now I have two solutions (one in the tools menu, and the
even easier one in the PrefBar.)



Glad to see that worked.

As Paul Gallagher noted, you only have to select the alternate user 
agent when you visit Chase, then you can reset.


And relative to my own contribution, your follow-up post shows that 
you're composing email with Firefox 45.0 :-).


Smith

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Re: User agent problem

[David E. Ross]

On 3/28/2016 6:52 PM, Ken Rudolph wrote:
> Chase Bank is insisting that soon they are going to refuse to access 
> their site with my "outdated" browser.  Of course my SeaMonkey browser 
> is up to date (Win 7, SM 2.39); but they don't accept SeaMonkey as an 
> approved browser.  I would like to change my User Agent that is sent out 
> to Firefox 30.0 or something similar to spoof them.  Could somebody 
> please tell me EXACTLY STEP BY STOP how to do this even for an idiot 
> like me!  The alternate is to give up SeaMonkey and I don't want to do 
> that.
> 

Read my .  While your
issue is significantly addressed in the last section -- "Defeating
Browser Sniffing" -- you might need to read the entire page to get the
necessary background to deal with this.

I much prefer using PrefBar to spoof browsers, to make Web sites think I
am using Firefox, Chrome, Opera, Internet Explorer, or Edge.  You can
get PrefBar from the link indicated in the Web page I cite in the
paragraph above.

It is likely you will have to update the list of user agent strings used
by PrefBar.  I can send you my current list.  However, new versions of
existing browsers are released often, requiring the list to be updated
frequently.  I update my list about once each month by checking a log of
visits to my own Web site, a log maintained by site's host.

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Re: User agent problem

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Ken Rudolph wrote:


Since I already had PrefBar installed that worked!! Until you told
me how to edit the installation strings I had no idea how to update
the User Agents to something modern that Chase would accept. (i.e.
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101
Firefox/45.0) Unfortunately, every time I load SeaMonkey I have to
select my new string in the User Agent box again, but that isn't a
big problem.


Actually, you don't. You only have to select the Firefox string when you 
visit the Chase website; for most browser sessions -- unless you live at 
the Chase site -- you needn't bother.


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Re: User agent problem

[EE]

Ken Rudolph wrote:

Chase Bank is insisting that soon they are going to refuse to access
their site with my "outdated" browser.  Of course my SeaMonkey browser
is up to date (Win 7, SM 2.39); but they don't accept SeaMonkey as an
approved browser.  I would like to change my User Agent that is sent out
to Firefox 30.0 or something similar to spoof them.  Could somebody
please tell me EXACTLY STEP BY STOP how to do this even for an idiot
like me!  The alternate is to give up SeaMonkey and I don't want to do
that.

You could use User Agent Switcher, but use an up-to-date fake 
user-agent.  The current release for Firefox is version 45.  The current 
release for SeaMonkey is 2.40.


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Re: User agent problem

[Ken Rudolph]

NFN Smith wrote:


Personally, I prefer PrefBar. I got started using that one for browser
spoofing, but I found that I like the capacity it offers for quick
tweaks of other settings, as well. Some time ago, I played with User
Agent Switcher, and it seemed to be overly complex to me.

Once PrefBar is installed, go to Edit -> Preferences -> Pref Bar.  In
the UI, you'll need to drag User Agent pref from the Available pane to
the Enabled Pane.  From there, double click on User Agent, and you can
define whatever UA strings you want.

(I don't remember if you have to enable display of PrefBar manually, but
if it doesn't appear, then you'll need to go to View -> Show/Hide, and
make sure that PrefBar is selected.)

The one minor complaint that I have with PrefBar is that the strings
that are shown in a new installation are quite old, and you'll have to
do editing to get more current strings. If you happen to have Firefox
installed, you can go to about:support, and copy a live string, from
your own installation.


Since I already had PrefBar installed that worked!!  Until you told me 
how to edit the installation strings I had no idea how to update the 
User Agents to something modern that Chase would accept.  (i.e. 
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/45.0 
)  Unfortunately, every time I load SeaMonkey I have to select my new 
string in the User Agent box again, but that isn't a big problem. By the 
way, I love the PrefBar and couldn't use SM without it!  It's especially 
useful for disabling Flash until I absolutely must have it for one use 
and then get rid of it.


Thank you!  Now I have two solutions (one in the tools menu, and the 
even easier one in the PrefBar.)


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Re: User agent problem

[Paul B. Gallagher]

NFN Smith wrote:


Ken Rudolph wrote:

Chase Bank is insisting that soon they are going to refuse to access
their site with my "outdated" browser.  Of course my SeaMonkey browser
is up to date (Win 7, SM 2.39); but they don't accept SeaMonkey as an
approved browser.  I would like to change my User Agent that is sent out
to Firefox 30.0 or something similar to spoof them.  Could somebody
please tell me EXACTLY STEP BY STOP how to do this even for an idiot
like me!  The alternate is to give up SeaMonkey and I don't want to do
that.


It's been a while since I've had to access Chase, but I know that their
web developers have a long history of brain-deadness on browsers.

From their perspective, they only want to support as few browsers as
they can, and they seem not to get it that any browser that uses Gecko
should work fine. Thus, instead of sniffing for "Gecko", they explicitly
for Firefox branding, and it looks like they're explicitly rejecting a
User Agent string that doesn't have Firefox as the last point. Thus,
rejection of any Gecko browser, where the UA implies that it might not
be "Firefox". In their view, "we can't support 47 different browsers".


Yeah, well, they could support a thousand different browsers if they'd 
just write W3C-compliant code. But apparently they'd rather write a 
half-dozen different versions of their site and pay six times as much in 
labor than do it correctly once.


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Re: User agent problem

[Felix Miata]

NFN Smith composed on 2016-03-29 08:35 (UTC-0700):


One other consideration -- if you're spoofing in Seamonkey, that applies
not only your browser, but what is put in your outbound mail, as well.
I run the Display Mail User Agent extension (which I find useful for
quickly knowing what mail or news client a person is using).


I've been seeing sender's mail UA for longer than I can remember, without any 
extension to enable such function, by simply setting 
mailnews.headers.showUserAgent true.

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Re: User agent problem

[NFN Smith]

Ken Rudolph wrote:

Chase Bank is insisting that soon they are going to refuse to access
their site with my "outdated" browser.  Of course my SeaMonkey browser
is up to date (Win 7, SM 2.39); but they don't accept SeaMonkey as an
approved browser.  I would like to change my User Agent that is sent out
to Firefox 30.0 or something similar to spoof them.  Could somebody
please tell me EXACTLY STEP BY STOP how to do this even for an idiot
like me!  The alternate is to give up SeaMonkey and I don't want to do
that.




It's been a while since I've had to access Chase, but I know that their 
web developers have a long history of brain-deadness on browsers.


From their perspective, they only want to support as few browsers as 
they can, and they seem not to get it that any browser that uses Gecko 
should work fine. Thus, instead of sniffing for "Gecko", they explicitly 
for Firefox branding, and it looks like they're explicitly rejecting a 
User Agent string that doesn't have Firefox as the last point. Thus, 
rejection of any Gecko browser, where the UA implies that it might not 
be "Firefox". In their view, "we can't support 47 different browsers".


It's noteworthy that the UA strings for Internet Explorer and Chrome 
(and I believe Safari, as well) all advertise Mozilla compatibility. I 
also wonder if they object to various browsers that are Chrome-derived, 
such as Opera, Chromium, Iron, Comodo Dragon, Epic, etc


Personally, I prefer PrefBar. I got started using that one for browser 
spoofing, but I found that I like the capacity it offers for quick 
tweaks of other settings, as well. Some time ago, I played with User 
Agent Switcher, and it seemed to be overly complex to me.


Once PrefBar is installed, go to Edit -> Preferences -> Pref Bar.  In 
the UI, you'll need to drag User Agent pref from the Available pane to 
the Enabled Pane.  From there, double click on User Agent, and you can 
define whatever UA strings you want.


(I don't remember if you have to enable display of PrefBar manually, but 
if it doesn't appear, then you'll need to go to View -> Show/Hide, and 
make sure that PrefBar is selected.)


The one minor complaint that I have with PrefBar is that the strings 
that are shown in a new installation are quite old, and you'll have to 
do editing to get more current strings. If you happen to have Firefox 
installed, you can go to about:support, and copy a live string, from 
your own installation.


There's also a number of collections of strings out there, including 
http://www.zytrax.com/tech/web/browser_ids.htm, 
http://www.useragentstring.com/pages/useragentstring.php and 
https://github.com/gorhill/uMatrix/wiki/Latest-user-agent-strings. These 
may not quite have the latest combination of Firefox 45.0.1, and 
underlying platforms, but they're close enough that you can copy, and 
then edit to display appropriate version numbers.


In this context, I will note that beyond spoofing browser, I 
occasionally will spoof a platform, as well. I maintain a rather 
extensive collection of downloaded software, for tech support work 
(which allows me to troubleshoot machines that aren't connected to the 
Internet). I've found that there's a number of sites out there that do 
browser sniffing to determine which platform, and if my UA is showing 
"windows", they try to download a Windows version (assuming that I'm 
planning on an immediate install on my own computer). Thus, if I spoof 
Mac in my UA, I can get a Mac version of the download, in Windows.


One other consideration -- if you're spoofing in Seamonkey, that applies 
not only your browser, but what is put in your outbound mail, as well. 
I run the Display Mail User Agent extension (which I find useful for 
quickly knowing what mail or news client a person is using). 
Occasionally, when I'm filing stuff from my Sent folder, I'll notice 
that a message will show an orange Firefox logo, rather than a blue 
Seamonkey logo, and that tells me that I forgot to reset spoofing, when 
I was done with needing it.


Smith

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Re: User agent problem

[Jonathan N. Little]

Arnie Goetchius wrote:

When I click on that link, it says "Not available for SeaMonkey 2.40" so it
won't work for me.


about:config

New string named:
general.useragent.override.chase.com

Value:
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/45.0

Log on without issue.

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Re: User agent problem

[David H. Durgee]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Daniel wrote:

On 29/03/2016 1:03 PM, Ken Rudolph wrote:

Ken Rudolph wrote: I tried using a User Agent changer that was
supplied in a plugin; but that doesn't work. Right now the true UA
is: User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:42.0)
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/42.0 SeaMonkey/2.39

I just want something that Chase Bank will think is acceptable.
Thanks again.


Ken, FYI, if you select Edit->Preferences, select Advanced then HTTP
Networking and, at the bottom of that screen, under "User Agent
String" select "Advertise Firefox Compatibility"

That way, when you update SM to 2.40, the FF portion will be
automatically updated to FF43.

No need to alter about:config or to use any add-ons, SM can just do
it for you.


As you can see from the quoted UA string, he's already advertising
Firefox compatibility. But Chase detects the "SeaMonkey" part of the
string and rejects it.


Yep, Chase is a PITA.  I have PrefBar installed and since Chase started 
this behavior I have always used its UA tool to set my agent as the 
FireFox equivalent for my current SeaMonkey.  This keeps Chase and 
anyone else who is sniffing my UA happy.


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Re: User agent problem

[Arnie Goetchius]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
> Ken Rudolph wrote:
> 
>> Chase Bank is insisting that soon they are going to refuse to access
>>  their site with my "outdated" browser.  Of course my SeaMonkey
>> browser is up to date (Win 7, SM 2.39); but they don't accept
>> SeaMonkey as an approved browser.  I would like to change my User
>> Agent that is sent out to Firefox 30.0 or something similar to spoof
>> them.  Could somebody please tell me EXACTLY STEP BY STOP how to do
>> this even for an idiot like me!  The alternate is to give up
>> SeaMonkey and I don't want to do that.
> 
> My initial reaction was, "take a deep breath and cross the bridge when you 
> come
> to it." Banks make stupid threats like this all the time; mine (rhymes with 
> "Key
> Largo") has for years and nothing has come of it. SeaMonkey still works, 
> always
> has.
> 
> But now I see in your later posts that SeaMonkey already doesn't work with
> Chase? Or are you just getting a nag that you can dismiss and ignore, like 
> when
> you update Flash and it always wants to bundle McAfee or Yahoo or Chrome or
> something?
> 
> If you can't bypass the nag -- if they really insist on enforcing their idiocy
> -- you have to treat them as idiots and lie to them. It's called "user agent
> spoofing." Paul in Houston, TX has offered one way of doing it; the User Agent
> Switcher add-on is another.
> 

When I click on that link, it says "Not available for SeaMonkey 2.40" so it
won't work for me.
> 
> And of course you can always switch to a bank not run by idiots. Won't hurt
> Chase; as the AT monopolists used to say before the breakup, "we don't have 
> to
> care." But it'll save you the hair-pulling.
> 

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Re: User agent problem

[WaltS48]

On 03/28/2016 10:34 PM, Ken Rudolph wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:

On 03/28/2016 10:03 PM, Ken Rudolph wrote:

Ken Rudolph wrote:

Chase Bank is insisting that soon they are going to refuse to access
their site with my "outdated" browser.  Of course my SeaMonkey browser
is up to date (Win 7, SM 2.39); but they don't accept SeaMonkey as an
approved browser.  I would like to change my User Agent that is 
sent out

to Firefox 30.0 or something similar to spoof them.  Could somebody
please tell me EXACTLY STEP BY STOP how to do this even for an idiot
like me!  The alternate is to give up SeaMonkey and I don't want to do
that.


I tried using a User Agent changer that was supplied in a plugin; but
that doesn't work.  Right now the true UA is:  User agent: Mozilla/5.0
(Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:42.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/42.0
SeaMonkey/2.39

I just want something that Chase Bank will think is acceptable. Thanks
again.



Um, Install a modern browser and just use it for Chase Bank ❓❓❓

Like Firefox 45.0.1 


Well d'uh!  I can use my installed Firefox or Chrome and occasionally 
do; but I want to use SeaMonkey which IS A MODERN BROWSER.  Why should 
I have to compromise using my main browser?




You did not state that you had other browsers installed, and your UA 
string for the first post was Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:10.0.2) 
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/10.0.2.


Not exactly a modern browser.

Happy to see you have resolved the problem to your satisfaction.

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Re: User agent problem

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Daniel wrote:

On 29/03/2016 1:03 PM, Ken Rudolph wrote:

Ken Rudolph wrote: I tried using a User Agent changer that was
supplied in a plugin; but that doesn't work. Right now the true UA
is: User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:42.0)
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/42.0 SeaMonkey/2.39

I just want something that Chase Bank will think is acceptable.
Thanks again.


Ken, FYI, if you select Edit->Preferences, select Advanced then HTTP
Networking and, at the bottom of that screen, under "User Agent
String" select "Advertise Firefox Compatibility"

That way, when you update SM to 2.40, the FF portion will be
automatically updated to FF43.

No need to alter about:config or to use any add-ons, SM can just do
it for you.


As you can see from the quoted UA string, he's already advertising 
Firefox compatibility. But Chase detects the "SeaMonkey" part of the 
string and rejects it.


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Re: User agent problem

[Daniel]

On 29/03/2016 1:03 PM, Ken Rudolph wrote:

Ken Rudolph wrote:

Chase Bank is insisting that soon they are going to refuse to access
their site with my "outdated" browser.  Of course my SeaMonkey browser
is up to date (Win 7, SM 2.39); but they don't accept SeaMonkey as an
approved browser.  I would like to change my User Agent that is sent out
to Firefox 30.0 or something similar to spoof them.  Could somebody
please tell me EXACTLY STEP BY STOP how to do this even for an idiot
like me!  The alternate is to give up SeaMonkey and I don't want to do
that.


I tried using a User Agent changer that was supplied in a plugin; but
that doesn't work.  Right now the true UA is:  User agent: Mozilla/5.0
(Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:42.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/42.0 SeaMonkey/2.39

I just want something that Chase Bank will think is acceptable.  Thanks
again.

Ken, FYI, if you select Edit->Preferences, select Advanced then HTTP 
Networking and, at the bottom of that screen, under "User Agent String" 
select "Advertise Firefox Compatibility"


That way, when you update SM to 2.40, the FF portion will be 
automatically updated to FF43.


No need to alter about:config or to use any add-ons, SM can just do it 
for you.


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User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:42.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/42.0 SeaMonkey/2.39 Build identifier: 20151028234211

or
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:41.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.38 Build identifier: 20150903203501

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Re: User agent problem

[Richard Owlett]

On 3/28/2016 10:01 PM, Felix Miata wrote:

Ken Rudolph composed on 2016-03-28 19:32 (UTC-0700):


In any event as many people as possible should be point banks
that do as
Chase seems to be doing to the instructions on:



 http://geckoisgecko.org/



Banks, like other web sites, can, and should, be supporting
browser
functionality, not browsers.



Of course!  But tell that to the banks.  I don't have the power
to do
anything.


The primary point of this part of my response was that you DO
have the power to point out to them that their technology is
obsolete, through that web URL, and elsewhere. Any bank as big as
Chase has no excuse to continue using obsolete technology, or
demand its users use browsers from an arbitrary "supported" list.

If you want to be heard on this point, I suggest you do it
multiply, and include both telephone contact, and face to face
visits with as many branch managers as bank locations you can
reasonably visit.


And perhaps a formal complaint to your state's consumer 
protection agency. I say the state rather than federal as a 
corollary to the old saying "all politics is local".


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Re: User agent problem

[Ken Rudolph]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Ken Rudolph wrote:


Chase Bank is insisting that soon they are going to refuse to access
 their site with my "outdated" browser.  Of course my SeaMonkey
browser is up to date (Win 7, SM 2.39); but they don't accept
SeaMonkey as an approved browser.  I would like to change my User
Agent that is sent out to Firefox 30.0 or something similar to spoof
them.  Could somebody please tell me EXACTLY STEP BY STOP how to do
this even for an idiot like me!  The alternate is to give up
SeaMonkey and I don't want to do that.


My initial reaction was, "take a deep breath and cross the bridge when
you come to it." Banks make stupid threats like this all the time; mine
(rhymes with "Key Largo") has for years and nothing has come of it.
SeaMonkey still works, always has.

But now I see in your later posts that SeaMonkey already doesn't work
with Chase? Or are you just getting a nag that you can dismiss and
ignore, like when you update Flash and it always wants to bundle McAfee
or Yahoo or Chrome or something?

If you can't bypass the nag -- if they really insist on enforcing their
idiocy -- you have to treat them as idiots and lie to them. It's called
"user agent spoofing." Paul in Houston, TX has offered one way of doing
it; the User Agent Switcher add-on is another.



I used this addon, and it worked.  Chase didn't add a notice that my 
browser was out of date, and it all seemed to work ok.  I'll have to see 
if it continues; but for now that seems to work.  I was just 
uncomfortable trying to edit the about:config file...especially with the 
notice that doing this will "void the warranty"!!  Also I'm not sure how 
to go about editing the file anyway.  So this addon seems to be a fix 
for my problem.  Thank you.


And of course you can always switch to a bank not run by idiots. Won't
hurt Chase; as the AT monopolists used to say before the breakup, "we
don't have to care." But it'll save you the hair-pulling.


Changing banks if one is really involved with loans and annuities etc. 
is not as easy as changing browsers, unfortunately.  But I already have 
reason to hate Chase Bank for announcing last year that they no longer 
support their windows phone app and then just eliminating it entirely. 
Their customer support is just so arrogant.  But even so...hard to 
punish them by leaving because "they don't have to care."


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Re: User agent problem

[J. Weaver Jr.]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

But now I see in your later posts that SeaMonkey already doesn't work
with Chase? Or are you just getting a nag that you can dismiss and
ignore, like when you update Flash and it always wants to bundle McAfee
or Yahoo or Chrome or something?


Immediately after signing on, you get an "update browser" screen that 
can't be bypassed - the only links are to download "modern" browsers.


Changing my user agent to "Firefox/40" for just the logon works fine; 
you can change back to the default UA string immediately after making it 
past that first screen with no problems I've seen.  -JW


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Re: User agent problem

[Jonathan N. Little]

Ken Rudolph wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:

On 03/28/2016 10:03 PM, Ken Rudolph wrote:

Ken Rudolph wrote:

Chase Bank is insisting that soon they are going to refuse to access
their site with my "outdated" browser.  Of course my SeaMonkey browser
is up to date (Win 7, SM 2.39); but they don't accept SeaMonkey as an
approved browser.  I would like to change my User Agent that is sent
out
to Firefox 30.0 or something similar to spoof them.  Could somebody
please tell me EXACTLY STEP BY STOP how to do this even for an idiot
like me!  The alternate is to give up SeaMonkey and I don't want to do
that.


I tried using a User Agent changer that was supplied in a plugin; but
that doesn't work.  Right now the true UA is:  User agent: Mozilla/5.0
(Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:42.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/42.0
SeaMonkey/2.39

I just want something that Chase Bank will think is acceptable. Thanks
again.



Um, Install a modern browser and just use it for Chase Bank ❓❓❓

Like Firefox 45.0.1 


Well d'uh!  I can use my installed Firefox or Chrome and occasionally
do; but I want to use SeaMonkey which IS A MODERN BROWSER.  Why should I
have to compromise using my main browser?




to set just for Chase you can do what I did for stupid Netflix, add a 
useragent override for that domain


about:config

create a new string for chase.com or whatever the bank's domain is:
general.useragent.override.chase.com

and set value:
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/45.0

You may have to update to though periodically. Or write complaint to 
bank's support that they should stop useragent sniffing and instead do 
object detection for browser support.


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Re: User agent problem

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Ken Rudolph wrote:


Chase Bank is insisting that soon they are going to refuse to access
 their site with my "outdated" browser.  Of course my SeaMonkey
browser is up to date (Win 7, SM 2.39); but they don't accept
SeaMonkey as an approved browser.  I would like to change my User
Agent that is sent out to Firefox 30.0 or something similar to spoof
them.  Could somebody please tell me EXACTLY STEP BY STOP how to do
this even for an idiot like me!  The alternate is to give up
SeaMonkey and I don't want to do that.


My initial reaction was, "take a deep breath and cross the bridge when 
you come to it." Banks make stupid threats like this all the time; mine 
(rhymes with "Key Largo") has for years and nothing has come of it. 
SeaMonkey still works, always has.


But now I see in your later posts that SeaMonkey already doesn't work 
with Chase? Or are you just getting a nag that you can dismiss and 
ignore, like when you update Flash and it always wants to bundle McAfee 
or Yahoo or Chrome or something?


If you can't bypass the nag -- if they really insist on enforcing their 
idiocy -- you have to treat them as idiots and lie to them. It's called 
"user agent spoofing." Paul in Houston, TX has offered one way of doing 
it; the User Agent Switcher add-on is another.



And of course you can always switch to a bank not run by idiots. Won't 
hurt Chase; as the AT monopolists used to say before the breakup, "we 
don't have to care." But it'll save you the hair-pulling.


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Re: User agent problem

[Felix Miata]

Ken Rudolph composed on 2016-03-28 19:32 (UTC-0700):


In any event as many people as possible should be point banks that do as
Chase seems to be doing to the instructions on:



 http://geckoisgecko.org/



Banks, like other web sites, can, and should, be supporting browser
functionality, not browsers.



Of course!  But tell that to the banks.  I don't have the power to do
anything.


The primary point of this part of my response was that you DO have the power 
to point out to them that their technology is obsolete, through that web URL, 
and elsewhere. Any bank as big as Chase has no excuse to continue using 
obsolete technology, or demand its users use browsers from an arbitrary 
"supported" list.


If you want to be heard on this point, I suggest you do it multiply, and 
include both telephone contact, and face to face visits with as many branch 
managers as bank locations you can reasonably visit.

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Re: User agent problem

[Paul in Houston, TX]

Ken Rudolph wrote:

Chase Bank is insisting that soon they are going to refuse to access their site 
with my
"outdated" browser.  Of course my SeaMonkey browser is up to date (Win 7, SM 
2.39); but
they don't accept SeaMonkey as an approved browser.  I would like to change my 
User Agent
that is sent out to Firefox 30.0 or something similar to spoof them.  Could 
somebody
please tell me EXACTLY STEP BY STOP how to do this even for an idiot like me!  
The
alternate is to give up SeaMonkey and I don't want to do that.


about:config
add string:
general.useragent.override
enter sting value for win 7/64:
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/45.0
exit SM & restart, go to help / seamonkey and see if it took.
You can set it to IE, MAC, Linux, whatever.  Google search.
Be aware that good sniffers will see through your UA.
Also, if you are not comfortable with about:config then use
mozbackup to ... backup:
http://mozbackup.jasnapaka.com/
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Re: User agent problem

[Ken Rudolph]

WaltS48 wrote:

On 03/28/2016 10:03 PM, Ken Rudolph wrote:

Ken Rudolph wrote:

Chase Bank is insisting that soon they are going to refuse to access
their site with my "outdated" browser.  Of course my SeaMonkey browser
is up to date (Win 7, SM 2.39); but they don't accept SeaMonkey as an
approved browser.  I would like to change my User Agent that is sent out
to Firefox 30.0 or something similar to spoof them.  Could somebody
please tell me EXACTLY STEP BY STOP how to do this even for an idiot
like me!  The alternate is to give up SeaMonkey and I don't want to do
that.


I tried using a User Agent changer that was supplied in a plugin; but
that doesn't work.  Right now the true UA is:  User agent: Mozilla/5.0
(Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:42.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/42.0
SeaMonkey/2.39

I just want something that Chase Bank will think is acceptable. Thanks
again.



Um, Install a modern browser and just use it for Chase Bank ❓❓❓

Like Firefox 45.0.1 


Well d'uh!  I can use my installed Firefox or Chrome and occasionally 
do; but I want to use SeaMonkey which IS A MODERN BROWSER.  Why should I 
have to compromise using my main browser?


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Re: User agent problem

[Ken Rudolph]

Felix Miata wrote:

Ken Rudolph composed on 2016-03-28 18:52 (UTC-0700):


Chase Bank is insisting that soon they are going to refuse to access
their site with my "outdated" browser.  Of course my SeaMonkey browser
is up to date (Win 7, SM 2.39);


Are you sure? Your email reports an outdated UA:

Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/10.0.2


No, now you'll see that I have the correct UA.  What showed up there was 
my attempt to use a program to change the UA which doesn't work.  I need 
to go into the SeaMonkey file to manually change the UA.




In all recent SeaMonkey versions, Firefox is reported if you do nothing
to stop it. Advertising of Firefox is a preference item in HTTP
Networking defaulting to enabled.


Still the fact that SeaMonkey is listed last seems to freak out Chase 
Bank.  If I use Firefox 30.0 or Chrome I don't have this problem.  But I 
have used all the Mozilla Suites since Netscape 1.0 and wish to continue 
to do so.


In any event as many people as possible should be point banks that do as
Chase seems to be doing to the instructions on:

 http://geckoisgecko.org/

Banks, like other web sites, can, and should, be supporting browser
functionality, not browsers.


Of course!  But tell that to the banks.  I don't have the power to do 
anything.


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Re: User agent problem

[Felix Miata]

Ken Rudolph composed on 2016-03-28 18:52 (UTC-0700):


Chase Bank is insisting that soon they are going to refuse to access
their site with my "outdated" browser.  Of course my SeaMonkey browser
is up to date (Win 7, SM 2.39);


Are you sure? Your email reports an outdated UA:

Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/10.0.2


but they don't accept SeaMonkey as an
approved browser.  I would like to change my User Agent that is sent out
to Firefox 30.0 or something similar to spoof them.  Could somebody
please tell me EXACTLY STEP BY STOP how to do this even for an idiot
like me!  The alternate is to give up SeaMonkey and I don't want to do
that.


In all recent SeaMonkey versions, Firefox is reported if you do nothing to 
stop it. Advertising of Firefox is a preference item in HTTP Networking 
defaulting to enabled.


In any event as many people as possible should be point banks that do as 
Chase seems to be doing to the instructions on:


http://geckoisgecko.org/

Banks, like other web sites, can, and should, be supporting browser 
functionality, not browsers.

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words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)

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Re: User agent problem

[WaltS48]

On 03/28/2016 10:03 PM, Ken Rudolph wrote:

Ken Rudolph wrote:

Chase Bank is insisting that soon they are going to refuse to access
their site with my "outdated" browser.  Of course my SeaMonkey browser
is up to date (Win 7, SM 2.39); but they don't accept SeaMonkey as an
approved browser.  I would like to change my User Agent that is sent out
to Firefox 30.0 or something similar to spoof them.  Could somebody
please tell me EXACTLY STEP BY STOP how to do this even for an idiot
like me!  The alternate is to give up SeaMonkey and I don't want to do
that.

I tried using a User Agent changer that was supplied in a plugin; but 
that doesn't work.  Right now the true UA is:  User agent: Mozilla/5.0 
(Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:42.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/42.0 
SeaMonkey/2.39


I just want something that Chase Bank will think is acceptable. Thanks 
again.




Um, Install a modern browser and just use it for Chase Bank ❓❓❓

Like Firefox 45.0.1 

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Re: User agent problem

[Ken Rudolph]

Ken Rudolph wrote:

Chase Bank is insisting that soon they are going to refuse to access
their site with my "outdated" browser.  Of course my SeaMonkey browser
is up to date (Win 7, SM 2.39); but they don't accept SeaMonkey as an
approved browser.  I would like to change my User Agent that is sent out
to Firefox 30.0 or something similar to spoof them.  Could somebody
please tell me EXACTLY STEP BY STOP how to do this even for an idiot
like me!  The alternate is to give up SeaMonkey and I don't want to do
that.

I tried using a User Agent changer that was supplied in a plugin; but 
that doesn't work.  Right now the true UA is:  User agent: Mozilla/5.0 
(Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:42.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/42.0 SeaMonkey/2.39


I just want something that Chase Bank will think is acceptable.  Thanks 
again.


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