Re: Question about WE and keyboards

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

Hi Bob,
Control+Alt+W starts Window-Eyes.
Control+Numpad insert+F4 closes it. You can also open the control panel 
with Control+Backslash and then Alt+F4.

I've heard of those roll up keyboards, but I've never seen one.
I'm sorry to hear about the stroke.
God speed,
Tom


On 1/6/2020 2:35 PM, Robert Ringwald via Talk wrote:

Been using Jaws and forgot how to start and stop Window-eyes. Can someone tell 
me?

Had a stroke a couple years ago and can only type with one hand. Cannot use the 
flat keyboard on the laptop. Using external KB.

When I travel, I carry laptop in back pack but have to put KB in suitcase 
buried between clothes to protect from getting damaged.

I have heard of roll up keyboards, possibly made out of some sort of rubber. Or 
foldable keyboards.

Anyone use one of these type of KBs? And if so, what is your opinion.

Best -Bob

Bob Ringwald
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Re: Question ABout mlb.com

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

try this:

http://mlb.mlb.com/media/player/mpa/index.jsp

you'll find the log in and put it in, making sure you have your login correct.  
Curtis Delzer
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On 4/8/2019 8:25 AM, Robert Ringwald via Talk wrote:

Running Windows 10
Latest Window-Eyes
or latest Jaws
IE

I have a heck of a time finding the place to log in.

Always before, for several years, I didn't have to log in.

I'd bring up mlb.com. Then I'd put in a URL that someone gave me. I 
have a

new hard drive and can't find that URL.

-Bob


-Original Message- From: john schwery via Talk
Sent: Sunday, April 7, 2019 3:45 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: john schwery
Subject: Re: Question ABout mlb.com

Robert, what browser and OS are you using?  I'm
running Win 7, Chrome and WE 9.  I can access the games fine.

At 03:04 PM 4/6/2019, Robert Ringwald via Talk, wrote:

I can’t find the games to listen to. What a confusing site.
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Re: Question ABout mlb.com

[john schwery via Talk]

Robert, try this URL:

mlb.mlb.com/mediacenter/?affiliateId=MLBMENUGDA
At 11:25 AM 4/8/2019, Robert Ringwald via Talk, wrote:

Running Windows 10 Latest Window-Eyes or latest 
Jaws IE I have a heck of a time finding the 
place to log in. Always before, for several 
years, I didn't have to log in. I'd bring up 
mlb.com. Then I'd put in a URL that someone gave 
me. I have a new hard drive and can't find that 
URL. -Bob -Original Message- From: john 
schwery via Talk Sent: Sunday, April 7, 2019 
3:45 AM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Cc: john 
schwery Subject: Re: Question ABout mlb.com 
Robert, what browser and OS are you using?  I'm 
running Win 7, Chrome and WE 9.  I can access 
the games fine. At 03:04 PM 4/6/2019, Robert 
Ringwald via Talk, wrote: >I can’t find the 
games to listen to. W. What a confusing 
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Re: Question ABout mlb.com

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

I don't like their new page either.  Try going to
mlb.com/mediacenter
73
Butch
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On Mon, 8 Apr 2019, Tom 
Kingston via Talk wrote:


I don't use the site. But part of the problem is probably using IE. Many 
sites don't support it any more. Development ended years ago and it's a 
security risk.


On 4/8/2019 11:25 AM, Robert Ringwald via Talk wrote:

 Running Windows 10
 Latest Window-Eyes
 or latest Jaws
 IE

 I have a heck of a time finding the place to log in.

 Always before, for several years, I didn't have to log in.

 I'd bring up mlb.com. Then I'd put in a URL that someone gave me. I have a
 new hard drive and can't find that URL.

 -Bob


 -Original Message- From: john schwery via Talk
 Sent: Sunday, April 7, 2019 3:45 AM
 To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Cc: john schwery
 Subject: Re: Question ABout mlb.com

 Robert, what browser and OS are you using?  I'm
 running Win 7, Chrome and WE 9.  I can access the games fine.

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Re: Question ABout mlb.com

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

I don't use the site. But part of the problem is probably using IE. Many 
sites don't support it any more. Development ended years ago and it's a 
security risk.


On 4/8/2019 11:25 AM, Robert Ringwald via Talk wrote:

Running Windows 10
Latest Window-Eyes
or latest Jaws
IE

I have a heck of a time finding the place to log in.

Always before, for several years, I didn't have to log in.

I'd bring up mlb.com. Then I'd put in a URL that someone gave me. I have a
new hard drive and can't find that URL.

-Bob


-Original Message- From: john schwery via Talk
Sent: Sunday, April 7, 2019 3:45 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: john schwery
Subject: Re: Question ABout mlb.com

Robert, what browser and OS are you using?  I'm
running Win 7, Chrome and WE 9.  I can access the games fine.

At 03:04 PM 4/6/2019, Robert Ringwald via Talk, wrote:

I can’t find the games to listen to. What a confusing site.
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Re: Question ABout mlb.com

[Robert Ringwald via Talk]

Running Windows 10
Latest Window-Eyes
or latest Jaws
IE

I have a heck of a time finding the place to log in.

Always before, for several years, I didn't have to log in.

I'd bring up mlb.com. Then I'd put in a URL that someone gave me. I have a
new hard drive and can't find that URL.

-Bob


-Original Message- 
From: john schwery via Talk

Sent: Sunday, April 7, 2019 3:45 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: john schwery
Subject: Re: Question ABout mlb.com

Robert, what browser and OS are you using?  I'm
running Win 7, Chrome and WE 9.  I can access the games fine.

At 03:04 PM 4/6/2019, Robert Ringwald via Talk, wrote:

I can’t find the games to listen to. What a confusing site.
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Re: Question ABout mlb.com

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

It is a strange page for sure.  It won't work with explorer in seven, I 
use firefox and n v d a.  I may have to try Chrome.  Once the player 
comes up after you log in, you have to hit the play button or can just 
hit space bar to turn audio on.  Not one of their best efforts, but they 
really don't seem to care.

73
Butch
WA0VJR
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Wallace, ks.


On Sun, 7 Apr 2019, john schwery via Talk 
wrote:


Robert, what browser and OS are you using?  I'm running Win 7, Chrome and WE 
9.  I can access the games fine.


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I can’t find the games to listen to. What a confusing site. 
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Re: Question ABout mlb.com

[john schwery via Talk]

Robert, what browser and OS are you using?  I'm 
running Win 7, Chrome and WE 9.  I can access the games fine.


At 03:04 PM 4/6/2019, Robert Ringwald via Talk, wrote:
I can’t find the games to listen to. What a 
confusing 
site. 
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Re: question about foreground staging

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Yes, Window-Eyes is the only one that is reading it, but neither of the 
others will read anything if the foreground staging screen is open.


Carol


On 4/3/2019 9:12 AM, Russ Kiehne via Talk wrote:
The interesting thing about foreground staging, I haven't got that 
message since I stopped using window eyes.


-Original Message- From: Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2019 3:27 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Carol and Roger
Subject: Re: question about foreground staging

Yeah, right, grimmace!  At least it hasn't happend today, yet, grin.  I
appreciate your taking the time to see what you could figure out.

Take care,

Carol


On 4/2/2019 7:02 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,
No problem. I like tracking down these annoyances and squashing them. 
It's strange how I rarely see it and it's a real problem for you. Oh 
the mysteries of computers. Aren't they wonderful.

Regards,
Tom


On 4/1/2019 10:45 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:

Hi Tom,

That is so nice of you to continue to follow through with this crazy 
anomaly.  It does go away if I reboot and stays gone for a while. 
Closing WE does also help, but it does not stay gone as long as a 
restart. Anyway, I am learning to put up with it for the most part. 
The biggest problem is when I have more than two or three windows 
open at a time. Then, none of the windows speak when alt-tabbing and 
more likely than not, they do not speak when I land on them.  
Anyway, I will be through my moving soon enough and won't need to 
worry about it again, grin.  Well, maybe not for a month or so.  
Thanks for trying to figure it out.


Carol


On 4/1/2019 9:58 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,
That's strange. I've never had it pop up over a program window. As 
I said, for me it's always on the desktop. I thought it was after 
ejecting a drive. But I just tried that and got nothing.
I never thought it had anything to do with Window-Eyes either. But 
I can't remember now if I've seen it with NVDA. And I don't know 
what "enhanced on" would be. Although it might be something in the 
Window-Eyes control panel. I assume you have it running in the 
system tray. That is to say, the Window-Eyes control panel isn't in 
the Alt+Tab order unless it's open. The reason I say this is 
because when a window is set to be in the tray it actually flashes 
open and is then minimized to the tray.
All I can say is that the next time I see it I'll pop up the 
Window-Eyes scripting window and see if I can get the source of the 
foreground staging window. Maybe if I can figure out what it is I 
can write a script to stomp on it. Smile.

Sorry I couldn't be of more help.
Regards,
Tom


On 4/1/2019 8:09 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:

Hi Tom,

Here is an update on the foreground staging issue.  It came bacdk 
again today.  The interesting thing was that I was in my f drive 
and inside the music folder.  I clicked on a song to play and the 
foreground staging title bar was there, but again, there was 
nothing showing on the screen.  There are a couple of interesting 
items here to report. The screen was my Winamp screen, although it 
would not say anything.  I could navigate through the track I was 
playing with my arrow keys, which confirmed what the screen was.  
The other interesting thing was that I closed WE and reopened it. 
Although I was not on the desktop when I closed WE, that is where 
I landed. After telling me where I was, WE voiced something that 
said "enhanced on." This has only happened a few times and seems 
to be in the same time period as the foreground staging issue.  
Today, at least, the foreground staging window will go away for a 
while if I restart WE.


Carol



On 3/31/2019 9:52 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Hi carol,
I'm sorry, but I don't have an answer. I've never had a real 
problem with the foreground staging window. As I said, when I get 
it, I just hit Windows+D and go back to what I was doing. It's 
gone and doesn't come back.
I don't even remember exactly when it comes up. It's not when I 
connect a drive. The drive just pops up in explorer and I paste 
what I've already cut or copied from another drive. I think it 
might come up when I eject the external drive. And again, I just 
Windows+D and it's gone.
I suspect the reason the guy from Microsoft didn't know anything 
is that the window is probably invisible. I saw this problem with 
MalwareBytes and notified them. The problem is that they're just 
shrinking the window down to 0 by 0 pixels instead of using the 
proper hide method. Consequently, to a screen reader, it's still 
a window.
All I can suggest is to play around with the order in which you 
do things. Hopefully you'll find one that works.

Good luck,
Tom


On 3/30/2019 9:13 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:

Hi Tom,

Thanks for writing.  In my case, I would go to the folder I 
wanted and then alt-tab to the drive I wanted to paste the files 
I wanted to move. T

Re: question about foreground staging

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

Ah yes, it does show up spoken as a dialog box every now and then, but 
of course it has no content. You can bring up a context menu of sort by 
pressing the alt key, but if I remember correctly, it only has the 
options to move or to  close, and the close option seems to do 
absolutely nothing.



On 4/3/2019 8:24 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:


Larry,
This is strange. 32770 is the class name for a standard Windows 
dialog, like those used within programs for opening files or a Save As 
dialog. I suspect the title bar hot key might give you this if a 
dialog pops up that has no title or name.
I'll try to remember to check this if I can ever catch the foreground 
staging window.



On 4/2/2019 7:35 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:
Tom, Don't know if this might give you a clew as to what is going on 
with foreground staging, but what might be an  error code 32770 some 
times comes when pressing ctrl-shift-T rather than foreground staging 
being spoken.



Sure hope this helps, because I am having the same problem at the 
moment. It comes and goes. And it sure does make tabbing from window 
to window a bit of  a pain.



On 4/2/2019 6:02 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,
No problem. I like tracking down these annoyances and squashing 
them. It's strange how I rarely see it and it's a real problem for 
you. Oh the mysteries of computers. Aren't they wonderful.

Regards,
Tom


On 4/1/2019 10:45 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:

Hi Tom,

That is so nice of you to continue to follow through with this 
crazy anomaly.  It does go away if I reboot and stays gone for a 
while. Closing WE does also help, but it does not stay gone as long 
as a restart.  Anyway, I am learning to put up with it for the most 
part. The biggest problem is when I have more than two or three 
windows open at a time. Then, none of the windows speak when 
alt-tabbing and more likely than not, they do not speak when I land 
on them. Anyway, I will be through my moving soon enough and won't 
need to worry about it again, grin.  Well, maybe not for a month or 
so.  Thanks for trying to figure it out.


Carol


On 4/1/2019 9:58 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,
That's strange. I've never had it pop up over a program window. As 
I said, for me it's always on the desktop. I thought it was after 
ejecting a drive. But I just tried that and got nothing.
I never thought it had anything to do with Window-Eyes either. But 
I can't remember now if I've seen it with NVDA. And I don't know 
what "enhanced on" would be. Although it might be something in the 
Window-Eyes control panel. I assume you have it running in the 
system tray. That is to say, the Window-Eyes control panel isn't 
in the Alt+Tab order unless it's open. The reason I say this is 
because when a window is set to be in the tray it actually flashes 
open and is then minimized to the tray.
All I can say is that the next time I see it I'll pop up the 
Window-Eyes scripting window and see if I can get the source of 
the foreground staging window. Maybe if I can figure out what it 
is I can write a script to stomp on it. Smile.

Sorry I couldn't be of more help.
Regards,
Tom


On 4/1/2019 8:09 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:

Hi Tom,

Here is an update on the foreground staging issue.  It came bacdk 
again today.  The interesting thing was that I was in my f drive 
and inside the music folder.  I clicked on a song to play and the 
foreground staging title bar was there, but again, there was 
nothing showing on the screen.  There are a couple of interesting 
items here to report.  The screen was my Winamp screen, although 
it would not say anything.  I could navigate through the track I 
was playing with my arrow keys, which confirmed what the screen 
was. The other interesting thing was that I closed WE and 
reopened it. Although I was not on the desktop when I closed WE, 
that is where I landed. After telling me where I was, WE voiced 
something that said "enhanced on." This has only happened a few 
times and seems to be in the same time period as the foreground 
staging issue.  Today, at least, the foreground staging window 
will go away for a while if I restart WE.


Carol



On 3/31/2019 9:52 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Hi carol,
I'm sorry, but I don't have an answer. I've never had a real 
problem with the foreground staging window. As I said, when I 
get it, I just hit Windows+D and go back to what I was doing. 
It's gone and doesn't come back.
I don't even remember exactly when it comes up. It's not when I 
connect a drive. The drive just pops up in explorer and I paste 
what I've already cut or copied from another drive. I think it 
might come up when I eject the external drive. And again, I just 
Windows+D and it's gone.
I suspect the reason the guy from Microsoft didn't know anything 
is that the window is probably invisible. I saw this problem 
with MalwareBytes and notified them. The problem is that they're 
just shrinking the window down to 0 

Re: question about foreground staging

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

Larry,
This is strange. 32770 is the class name for a standard Windows dialog, 
like those used within programs for opening files or a Save As dialog. I 
suspect the title bar hot key might give you this if a dialog pops up 
that has no title or name.
I'll try to remember to check this if I can ever catch the foreground 
staging window.



On 4/2/2019 7:35 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:
Tom, Don't know if this might give you a clew as to what is going on 
with foreground staging, but what might be an  error code 32770 some 
times comes when pressing ctrl-shift-T rather than foreground staging 
being spoken.



Sure hope this helps, because I am having the same problem at the 
moment. It comes and goes. And it sure does make tabbing from window to 
window a bit of  a pain.



On 4/2/2019 6:02 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,
No problem. I like tracking down these annoyances and squashing them. 
It's strange how I rarely see it and it's a real problem for you. Oh 
the mysteries of computers. Aren't they wonderful.

Regards,
Tom


On 4/1/2019 10:45 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:

Hi Tom,

That is so nice of you to continue to follow through with this crazy 
anomaly.  It does go away if I reboot and stays gone for a while. 
Closing WE does also help, but it does not stay gone as long as a 
restart.  Anyway, I am learning to put up with it for the most part. 
The biggest problem is when I have more than two or three windows 
open at a time.  Then, none of the windows speak when alt-tabbing and 
more likely than not, they do not speak when I land on them.  Anyway, 
I will be through my moving soon enough and won't need to worry about 
it again, grin.  Well, maybe not for a month or so.  Thanks for 
trying to figure it out.


Carol


On 4/1/2019 9:58 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,
That's strange. I've never had it pop up over a program window. As I 
said, for me it's always on the desktop. I thought it was after 
ejecting a drive. But I just tried that and got nothing.
I never thought it had anything to do with Window-Eyes either. But I 
can't remember now if I've seen it with NVDA. And I don't know what 
"enhanced on" would be. Although it might be something in the 
Window-Eyes control panel. I assume you have it running in the 
system tray. That is to say, the Window-Eyes control panel isn't in 
the Alt+Tab order unless it's open. The reason I say this is because 
when a window is set to be in the tray it actually flashes open and 
is then minimized to the tray.
All I can say is that the next time I see it I'll pop up the 
Window-Eyes scripting window and see if I can get the source of the 
foreground staging window. Maybe if I can figure out what it is I 
can write a script to stomp on it. Smile.

Sorry I couldn't be of more help.
Regards,
Tom


On 4/1/2019 8:09 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:

Hi Tom,

Here is an update on the foreground staging issue.  It came bacdk 
again today.  The interesting thing was that I was in my f drive 
and inside the music folder.  I clicked on a song to play and the 
foreground staging title bar was there, but again, there was 
nothing showing on the screen.  There are a couple of interesting 
items here to report.  The screen was my Winamp screen, although it 
would not say anything.  I could navigate through the track I was 
playing with my arrow keys, which confirmed what the screen was. 
The other interesting thing was that I closed WE and reopened it. 
Although I was not on the desktop when I closed WE, that is where I 
landed. After telling me where I was, WE voiced something that said 
"enhanced on." This has only happened a few times and seems to be 
in the same time period as the foreground staging issue.  Today, at 
least, the foreground staging window will go away for a while if I 
restart WE.


Carol



On 3/31/2019 9:52 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Hi carol,
I'm sorry, but I don't have an answer. I've never had a real 
problem with the foreground staging window. As I said, when I get 
it, I just hit Windows+D and go back to what I was doing. It's 
gone and doesn't come back.
I don't even remember exactly when it comes up. It's not when I 
connect a drive. The drive just pops up in explorer and I paste 
what I've already cut or copied from another drive. I think it 
might come up when I eject the external drive. And again, I just 
Windows+D and it's gone.
I suspect the reason the guy from Microsoft didn't know anything 
is that the window is probably invisible. I saw this problem with 
MalwareBytes and notified them. The problem is that they're just 
shrinking the window down to 0 by 0 pixels instead of using the 
proper hide method. Consequently, to a screen reader, it's still a 
window.
All I can suggest is to play around with the order in which you do 
things. Hopefully you'll find one that works.

Good luck,
Tom


On 3/30/2019 9:13 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:

Hi Tom,

Thanks for writing.  In my case, I would go 

Re: question about foreground staging

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

The interesting thing about foreground staging, I haven't got that message 
since I stopped using window eyes.


-Original Message- 
From: Carol and Roger via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2019 3:27 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Carol and Roger
Subject: Re: question about foreground staging

Yeah, right, grimmace!  At least it hasn't happend today, yet, grin.  I
appreciate your taking the time to see what you could figure out.

Take care,

Carol


On 4/2/2019 7:02 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,
No problem. I like tracking down these annoyances and squashing them. It's 
strange how I rarely see it and it's a real problem for you. Oh the 
mysteries of computers. Aren't they wonderful.

Regards,
Tom


On 4/1/2019 10:45 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:

Hi Tom,

That is so nice of you to continue to follow through with this crazy 
anomaly.  It does go away if I reboot and stays gone for a while. Closing 
WE does also help, but it does not stay gone as long as a restart. 
Anyway, I am learning to put up with it for the most part. The biggest 
problem is when I have more than two or three windows open at a time. 
Then, none of the windows speak when alt-tabbing and more likely than 
not, they do not speak when I land on them.  Anyway, I will be through my 
moving soon enough and won't need to worry about it again, grin.  Well, 
maybe not for a month or so.  Thanks for trying to figure it out.


Carol


On 4/1/2019 9:58 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,
That's strange. I've never had it pop up over a program window. As I 
said, for me it's always on the desktop. I thought it was after ejecting 
a drive. But I just tried that and got nothing.
I never thought it had anything to do with Window-Eyes either. But I 
can't remember now if I've seen it with NVDA. And I don't know what 
"enhanced on" would be. Although it might be something in the 
Window-Eyes control panel. I assume you have it running in the system 
tray. That is to say, the Window-Eyes control panel isn't in the Alt+Tab 
order unless it's open. The reason I say this is because when a window 
is set to be in the tray it actually flashes open and is then minimized 
to the tray.
All I can say is that the next time I see it I'll pop up the Window-Eyes 
scripting window and see if I can get the source of the foreground 
staging window. Maybe if I can figure out what it is I can write a 
script to stomp on it. Smile.

Sorry I couldn't be of more help.
Regards,
Tom


On 4/1/2019 8:09 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:

Hi Tom,

Here is an update on the foreground staging issue.  It came bacdk again 
today.  The interesting thing was that I was in my f drive and inside 
the music folder.  I clicked on a song to play and the foreground 
staging title bar was there, but again, there was nothing showing on 
the screen.  There are a couple of interesting items here to report. 
The screen was my Winamp screen, although it would not say anything.  I 
could navigate through the track I was playing with my arrow keys, 
which confirmed what the screen was.  The other interesting thing was 
that I closed WE and reopened it. Although I was not on the desktop 
when I closed WE, that is where I landed. After telling me where I was, 
WE voiced something that said "enhanced on." This has only happened a 
few times and seems to be in the same time period as the foreground 
staging issue.  Today, at least, the foreground staging window will go 
away for a while if I restart WE.


Carol



On 3/31/2019 9:52 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Hi carol,
I'm sorry, but I don't have an answer. I've never had a real problem 
with the foreground staging window. As I said, when I get it, I just 
hit Windows+D and go back to what I was doing. It's gone and doesn't 
come back.
I don't even remember exactly when it comes up. It's not when I 
connect a drive. The drive just pops up in explorer and I paste what 
I've already cut or copied from another drive. I think it might come 
up when I eject the external drive. And again, I just Windows+D and 
it's gone.
I suspect the reason the guy from Microsoft didn't know anything is 
that the window is probably invisible. I saw this problem with 
MalwareBytes and notified them. The problem is that they're just 
shrinking the window down to 0 by 0 pixels instead of using the proper 
hide method. Consequently, to a screen reader, it's still a window.
All I can suggest is to play around with the order in which you do 
things. Hopefully you'll find one that works.

Good luck,
Tom


On 3/30/2019 9:13 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:

Hi Tom,

Thanks for writing.  In my case, I would go to the folder I wanted 
and then alt-tab to the drive I wanted to paste the files I wanted to 
move. The problem, although the drive was already open, was that WE 
would read absolutely nothing except the title bar read command would 
say "foreground staging."  Windows-d would open the deskt

Re: question about foreground staging

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

Tom, Don't know if this might give you a clew as to what is going on 
with foreground staging, but what might be an  error code 32770 some 
times comes when pressing ctrl-shift-T rather than foreground staging 
being spoken.



Sure hope this helps, because I am having the same problem at the 
moment. It comes and goes. And it sure does make tabbing from window to 
window a bit of  a pain.



On 4/2/2019 6:02 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,
No problem. I like tracking down these annoyances and squashing them. 
It's strange how I rarely see it and it's a real problem for you. Oh 
the mysteries of computers. Aren't they wonderful.

Regards,
Tom


On 4/1/2019 10:45 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:

Hi Tom,

That is so nice of you to continue to follow through with this crazy 
anomaly.  It does go away if I reboot and stays gone for a while. 
Closing WE does also help, but it does not stay gone as long as a 
restart.  Anyway, I am learning to put up with it for the most part. 
The biggest problem is when I have more than two or three windows 
open at a time.  Then, none of the windows speak when alt-tabbing and 
more likely than not, they do not speak when I land on them.  Anyway, 
I will be through my moving soon enough and won't need to worry about 
it again, grin.  Well, maybe not for a month or so.  Thanks for 
trying to figure it out.


Carol


On 4/1/2019 9:58 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,
That's strange. I've never had it pop up over a program window. As I 
said, for me it's always on the desktop. I thought it was after 
ejecting a drive. But I just tried that and got nothing.
I never thought it had anything to do with Window-Eyes either. But I 
can't remember now if I've seen it with NVDA. And I don't know what 
"enhanced on" would be. Although it might be something in the 
Window-Eyes control panel. I assume you have it running in the 
system tray. That is to say, the Window-Eyes control panel isn't in 
the Alt+Tab order unless it's open. The reason I say this is because 
when a window is set to be in the tray it actually flashes open and 
is then minimized to the tray.
All I can say is that the next time I see it I'll pop up the 
Window-Eyes scripting window and see if I can get the source of the 
foreground staging window. Maybe if I can figure out what it is I 
can write a script to stomp on it. Smile.

Sorry I couldn't be of more help.
Regards,
Tom


On 4/1/2019 8:09 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:

Hi Tom,

Here is an update on the foreground staging issue.  It came bacdk 
again today.  The interesting thing was that I was in my f drive 
and inside the music folder.  I clicked on a song to play and the 
foreground staging title bar was there, but again, there was 
nothing showing on the screen.  There are a couple of interesting 
items here to report.  The screen was my Winamp screen, although it 
would not say anything.  I could navigate through the track I was 
playing with my arrow keys, which confirmed what the screen was.  
The other interesting thing was that I closed WE and reopened it. 
Although I was not on the desktop when I closed WE, that is where I 
landed. After telling me where I was, WE voiced something that said 
"enhanced on." This has only happened a few times and seems to be 
in the same time period as the foreground staging issue.  Today, at 
least, the foreground staging window will go away for a while if I 
restart WE.


Carol



On 3/31/2019 9:52 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Hi carol,
I'm sorry, but I don't have an answer. I've never had a real 
problem with the foreground staging window. As I said, when I get 
it, I just hit Windows+D and go back to what I was doing. It's 
gone and doesn't come back.
I don't even remember exactly when it comes up. It's not when I 
connect a drive. The drive just pops up in explorer and I paste 
what I've already cut or copied from another drive. I think it 
might come up when I eject the external drive. And again, I just 
Windows+D and it's gone.
I suspect the reason the guy from Microsoft didn't know anything 
is that the window is probably invisible. I saw this problem with 
MalwareBytes and notified them. The problem is that they're just 
shrinking the window down to 0 by 0 pixels instead of using the 
proper hide method. Consequently, to a screen reader, it's still a 
window.
All I can suggest is to play around with the order in which you do 
things. Hopefully you'll find one that works.

Good luck,
Tom


On 3/30/2019 9:13 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:

Hi Tom,

Thanks for writing.  In my case, I would go to the folder I 
wanted and then alt-tab to the drive I wanted to paste the files 
I wanted to move. The problem, although the drive was already 
open, was that WE would read absolutely nothing except the title 
bar read command would say "foreground staging."  Windows-d would 
open the desktop back up, but the folders I already had open 
would not speak.  A reboot did solve the problem 

Re: question about foreground staging

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Yeah, right, grimmace!  At least it hasn't happend today, yet, grin.  I 
appreciate your taking the time to see what you could figure out.


Take care,

Carol


On 4/2/2019 7:02 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,
No problem. I like tracking down these annoyances and squashing them. 
It's strange how I rarely see it and it's a real problem for you. Oh 
the mysteries of computers. Aren't they wonderful.

Regards,
Tom


On 4/1/2019 10:45 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:

Hi Tom,

That is so nice of you to continue to follow through with this crazy 
anomaly.  It does go away if I reboot and stays gone for a while. 
Closing WE does also help, but it does not stay gone as long as a 
restart.  Anyway, I am learning to put up with it for the most part. 
The biggest problem is when I have more than two or three windows 
open at a time.  Then, none of the windows speak when alt-tabbing and 
more likely than not, they do not speak when I land on them.  Anyway, 
I will be through my moving soon enough and won't need to worry about 
it again, grin.  Well, maybe not for a month or so.  Thanks for 
trying to figure it out.


Carol


On 4/1/2019 9:58 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,
That's strange. I've never had it pop up over a program window. As I 
said, for me it's always on the desktop. I thought it was after 
ejecting a drive. But I just tried that and got nothing.
I never thought it had anything to do with Window-Eyes either. But I 
can't remember now if I've seen it with NVDA. And I don't know what 
"enhanced on" would be. Although it might be something in the 
Window-Eyes control panel. I assume you have it running in the 
system tray. That is to say, the Window-Eyes control panel isn't in 
the Alt+Tab order unless it's open. The reason I say this is because 
when a window is set to be in the tray it actually flashes open and 
is then minimized to the tray.
All I can say is that the next time I see it I'll pop up the 
Window-Eyes scripting window and see if I can get the source of the 
foreground staging window. Maybe if I can figure out what it is I 
can write a script to stomp on it. Smile.

Sorry I couldn't be of more help.
Regards,
Tom


On 4/1/2019 8:09 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:

Hi Tom,

Here is an update on the foreground staging issue.  It came bacdk 
again today.  The interesting thing was that I was in my f drive 
and inside the music folder.  I clicked on a song to play and the 
foreground staging title bar was there, but again, there was 
nothing showing on the screen.  There are a couple of interesting 
items here to report.  The screen was my Winamp screen, although it 
would not say anything.  I could navigate through the track I was 
playing with my arrow keys, which confirmed what the screen was.  
The other interesting thing was that I closed WE and reopened it. 
Although I was not on the desktop when I closed WE, that is where I 
landed. After telling me where I was, WE voiced something that said 
"enhanced on." This has only happened a few times and seems to be 
in the same time period as the foreground staging issue.  Today, at 
least, the foreground staging window will go away for a while if I 
restart WE.


Carol



On 3/31/2019 9:52 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Hi carol,
I'm sorry, but I don't have an answer. I've never had a real 
problem with the foreground staging window. As I said, when I get 
it, I just hit Windows+D and go back to what I was doing. It's 
gone and doesn't come back.
I don't even remember exactly when it comes up. It's not when I 
connect a drive. The drive just pops up in explorer and I paste 
what I've already cut or copied from another drive. I think it 
might come up when I eject the external drive. And again, I just 
Windows+D and it's gone.
I suspect the reason the guy from Microsoft didn't know anything 
is that the window is probably invisible. I saw this problem with 
MalwareBytes and notified them. The problem is that they're just 
shrinking the window down to 0 by 0 pixels instead of using the 
proper hide method. Consequently, to a screen reader, it's still a 
window.
All I can suggest is to play around with the order in which you do 
things. Hopefully you'll find one that works.

Good luck,
Tom


On 3/30/2019 9:13 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:

Hi Tom,

Thanks for writing.  In my case, I would go to the folder I 
wanted and then alt-tab to the drive I wanted to paste the files 
I wanted to move. The problem, although the drive was already 
open, was that WE would read absolutely nothing except the title 
bar read command would say "foreground staging."  Windows-d would 
open the desktop back up, but the folders I already had open 
would not speak.  A reboot did solve the problem for now. I 
canned the Microsoft Disability desk and the person there did not 
know what I was talking about.  He did, although, quote help me 
out by changing the way my files are now listed.  You know how 
the item number is normally 

Re: question about foreground staging

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

Didn't you know? Windows 10 is the perfect Windows. That's why Microsoft 
says it's the last new version of Windows. We will forever be on Windows 
10. Hahaahaaha!



On 4/2/2019 7:42 AM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:

Damn!


I just took a look at Bookshare's listings for annoyances, and found no 
book regarding annoyances associated with Windows 10, only up to Windows 
7. I guess there just weren't enough annoyances in Windows 10 to fill 
enough pages .


On 4/2/2019 6:02 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,
No problem. I like tracking down these annoyances and squashing them. 
It's strange how I rarely see it and it's a real problem for you. Oh 
the mysteries of computers. Aren't they wonderful.

Regards,
Tom


On 4/1/2019 10:45 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:

Hi Tom,

That is so nice of you to continue to follow through with this crazy 
anomaly.  It does go away if I reboot and stays gone for a while. 
Closing WE does also help, but it does not stay gone as long as a 
restart.  Anyway, I am learning to put up with it for the most part. 
The biggest problem is when I have more than two or three windows 
open at a time.  Then, none of the windows speak when alt-tabbing and 
more likely than not, they do not speak when I land on them.  Anyway, 
I will be through my moving soon enough and won't need to worry about 
it again, grin.  Well, maybe not for a month or so.  Thanks for 
trying to figure it out.


Carol


On 4/1/2019 9:58 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,
That's strange. I've never had it pop up over a program window. As I 
said, for me it's always on the desktop. I thought it was after 
ejecting a drive. But I just tried that and got nothing.
I never thought it had anything to do with Window-Eyes either. But I 
can't remember now if I've seen it with NVDA. And I don't know what 
"enhanced on" would be. Although it might be something in the 
Window-Eyes control panel. I assume you have it running in the 
system tray. That is to say, the Window-Eyes control panel isn't in 
the Alt+Tab order unless it's open. The reason I say this is because 
when a window is set to be in the tray it actually flashes open and 
is then minimized to the tray.
All I can say is that the next time I see it I'll pop up the 
Window-Eyes scripting window and see if I can get the source of the 
foreground staging window. Maybe if I can figure out what it is I 
can write a script to stomp on it. Smile.

Sorry I couldn't be of more help.
Regards,
Tom


On 4/1/2019 8:09 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:

Hi Tom,

Here is an update on the foreground staging issue.  It came bacdk 
again today.  The interesting thing was that I was in my f drive 
and inside the music folder.  I clicked on a song to play and the 
foreground staging title bar was there, but again, there was 
nothing showing on the screen.  There are a couple of interesting 
items here to report.  The screen was my Winamp screen, although it 
would not say anything.  I could navigate through the track I was 
playing with my arrow keys, which confirmed what the screen was. 
The other interesting thing was that I closed WE and reopened it. 
Although I was not on the desktop when I closed WE, that is where I 
landed. After telling me where I was, WE voiced something that said 
"enhanced on." This has only happened a few times and seems to be 
in the same time period as the foreground staging issue.  Today, at 
least, the foreground staging window will go away for a while if I 
restart WE.


Carol



On 3/31/2019 9:52 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Hi carol,
I'm sorry, but I don't have an answer. I've never had a real 
problem with the foreground staging window. As I said, when I get 
it, I just hit Windows+D and go back to what I was doing. It's 
gone and doesn't come back.
I don't even remember exactly when it comes up. It's not when I 
connect a drive. The drive just pops up in explorer and I paste 
what I've already cut or copied from another drive. I think it 
might come up when I eject the external drive. And again, I just 
Windows+D and it's gone.
I suspect the reason the guy from Microsoft didn't know anything 
is that the window is probably invisible. I saw this problem with 
MalwareBytes and notified them. The problem is that they're just 
shrinking the window down to 0 by 0 pixels instead of using the 
proper hide method. Consequently, to a screen reader, it's still a 
window.
All I can suggest is to play around with the order in which you do 
things. Hopefully you'll find one that works.

Good luck,
Tom


On 3/30/2019 9:13 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:

Hi Tom,

Thanks for writing.  In my case, I would go to the folder I 
wanted and then alt-tab to the drive I wanted to paste the files 
I wanted to move. The problem, although the drive was already 
open, was that WE would read absolutely nothing except the title 
bar read command would say "foreground staging."  Windows-d would 
open the desktop back up, but the folders I 

Re: question about foreground staging

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

Damn!


I just took a look at Bookshare's listings for annoyances, and found no 
book regarding annoyances associated with Windows 10, only up to Windows 
7. I guess there just weren't enough annoyances in Windows 10 to fill 
enough pages .


On 4/2/2019 6:02 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,
No problem. I like tracking down these annoyances and squashing them. 
It's strange how I rarely see it and it's a real problem for you. Oh 
the mysteries of computers. Aren't they wonderful.

Regards,
Tom


On 4/1/2019 10:45 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:

Hi Tom,

That is so nice of you to continue to follow through with this crazy 
anomaly.  It does go away if I reboot and stays gone for a while. 
Closing WE does also help, but it does not stay gone as long as a 
restart.  Anyway, I am learning to put up with it for the most part. 
The biggest problem is when I have more than two or three windows 
open at a time.  Then, none of the windows speak when alt-tabbing and 
more likely than not, they do not speak when I land on them.  Anyway, 
I will be through my moving soon enough and won't need to worry about 
it again, grin.  Well, maybe not for a month or so.  Thanks for 
trying to figure it out.


Carol


On 4/1/2019 9:58 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,
That's strange. I've never had it pop up over a program window. As I 
said, for me it's always on the desktop. I thought it was after 
ejecting a drive. But I just tried that and got nothing.
I never thought it had anything to do with Window-Eyes either. But I 
can't remember now if I've seen it with NVDA. And I don't know what 
"enhanced on" would be. Although it might be something in the 
Window-Eyes control panel. I assume you have it running in the 
system tray. That is to say, the Window-Eyes control panel isn't in 
the Alt+Tab order unless it's open. The reason I say this is because 
when a window is set to be in the tray it actually flashes open and 
is then minimized to the tray.
All I can say is that the next time I see it I'll pop up the 
Window-Eyes scripting window and see if I can get the source of the 
foreground staging window. Maybe if I can figure out what it is I 
can write a script to stomp on it. Smile.

Sorry I couldn't be of more help.
Regards,
Tom


On 4/1/2019 8:09 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:

Hi Tom,

Here is an update on the foreground staging issue.  It came bacdk 
again today.  The interesting thing was that I was in my f drive 
and inside the music folder.  I clicked on a song to play and the 
foreground staging title bar was there, but again, there was 
nothing showing on the screen.  There are a couple of interesting 
items here to report.  The screen was my Winamp screen, although it 
would not say anything.  I could navigate through the track I was 
playing with my arrow keys, which confirmed what the screen was.  
The other interesting thing was that I closed WE and reopened it. 
Although I was not on the desktop when I closed WE, that is where I 
landed. After telling me where I was, WE voiced something that said 
"enhanced on." This has only happened a few times and seems to be 
in the same time period as the foreground staging issue.  Today, at 
least, the foreground staging window will go away for a while if I 
restart WE.


Carol



On 3/31/2019 9:52 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Hi carol,
I'm sorry, but I don't have an answer. I've never had a real 
problem with the foreground staging window. As I said, when I get 
it, I just hit Windows+D and go back to what I was doing. It's 
gone and doesn't come back.
I don't even remember exactly when it comes up. It's not when I 
connect a drive. The drive just pops up in explorer and I paste 
what I've already cut or copied from another drive. I think it 
might come up when I eject the external drive. And again, I just 
Windows+D and it's gone.
I suspect the reason the guy from Microsoft didn't know anything 
is that the window is probably invisible. I saw this problem with 
MalwareBytes and notified them. The problem is that they're just 
shrinking the window down to 0 by 0 pixels instead of using the 
proper hide method. Consequently, to a screen reader, it's still a 
window.
All I can suggest is to play around with the order in which you do 
things. Hopefully you'll find one that works.

Good luck,
Tom


On 3/30/2019 9:13 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:

Hi Tom,

Thanks for writing.  In my case, I would go to the folder I 
wanted and then alt-tab to the drive I wanted to paste the files 
I wanted to move. The problem, although the drive was already 
open, was that WE would read absolutely nothing except the title 
bar read command would say "foreground staging."  Windows-d would 
open the desktop back up, but the folders I already had open 
would not speak.  A reboot did solve the problem for now. I 
canned the Microsoft Disability desk and the person there did not 
know what I was talking about.  He did, although, quote help me 
out by 

Re: question about foreground staging

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

Hi Carol,
No problem. I like tracking down these annoyances and squashing them. 
It's strange how I rarely see it and it's a real problem for you. Oh the 
mysteries of computers. Aren't they wonderful.

Regards,
Tom


On 4/1/2019 10:45 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:

Hi Tom,

That is so nice of you to continue to follow through with this crazy 
anomaly.  It does go away if I reboot and stays gone for a while. 
Closing WE does also help, but it does not stay gone as long as a 
restart.  Anyway, I am learning to put up with it for the most part. The 
biggest problem is when I have more than two or three windows open at a 
time.  Then, none of the windows speak when alt-tabbing and more likely 
than not, they do not speak when I land on them.  Anyway, I will be 
through my moving soon enough and won't need to worry about it again, 
grin.  Well, maybe not for a month or so.  Thanks for trying to figure 
it out.


Carol


On 4/1/2019 9:58 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,
That's strange. I've never had it pop up over a program window. As I 
said, for me it's always on the desktop. I thought it was after 
ejecting a drive. But I just tried that and got nothing.
I never thought it had anything to do with Window-Eyes either. But I 
can't remember now if I've seen it with NVDA. And I don't know what 
"enhanced on" would be. Although it might be something in the 
Window-Eyes control panel. I assume you have it running in the system 
tray. That is to say, the Window-Eyes control panel isn't in the 
Alt+Tab order unless it's open. The reason I say this is because when 
a window is set to be in the tray it actually flashes open and is then 
minimized to the tray.
All I can say is that the next time I see it I'll pop up the 
Window-Eyes scripting window and see if I can get the source of the 
foreground staging window. Maybe if I can figure out what it is I can 
write a script to stomp on it. Smile.

Sorry I couldn't be of more help.
Regards,
Tom


On 4/1/2019 8:09 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:

Hi Tom,

Here is an update on the foreground staging issue.  It came bacdk 
again today.  The interesting thing was that I was in my f drive and 
inside the music folder.  I clicked on a song to play and the 
foreground staging title bar was there, but again, there was nothing 
showing on the screen.  There are a couple of interesting items here 
to report.  The screen was my Winamp screen, although it would not 
say anything.  I could navigate through the track I was playing with 
my arrow keys, which confirmed what the screen was.  The other 
interesting thing was that I closed WE and reopened it.  Although I 
was not on the desktop when I closed WE, that is where I landed. 
After telling me where I was, WE voiced something that said "enhanced 
on." This has only happened a few times and seems to be in the same 
time period as the foreground staging issue.  Today, at least, the 
foreground staging window will go away for a while if I restart WE.


Carol



On 3/31/2019 9:52 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Hi carol,
I'm sorry, but I don't have an answer. I've never had a real problem 
with the foreground staging window. As I said, when I get it, I just 
hit Windows+D and go back to what I was doing. It's gone and doesn't 
come back.
I don't even remember exactly when it comes up. It's not when I 
connect a drive. The drive just pops up in explorer and I paste what 
I've already cut or copied from another drive. I think it might come 
up when I eject the external drive. And again, I just Windows+D and 
it's gone.
I suspect the reason the guy from Microsoft didn't know anything is 
that the window is probably invisible. I saw this problem with 
MalwareBytes and notified them. The problem is that they're just 
shrinking the window down to 0 by 0 pixels instead of using the 
proper hide method. Consequently, to a screen reader, it's still a 
window.
All I can suggest is to play around with the order in which you do 
things. Hopefully you'll find one that works.

Good luck,
Tom


On 3/30/2019 9:13 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:

Hi Tom,

Thanks for writing.  In my case, I would go to the folder I wanted 
and then alt-tab to the drive I wanted to paste the files I wanted 
to move. The problem, although the drive was already open, was that 
WE would read absolutely nothing except the title bar read command 
would say "foreground staging."  Windows-d would open the desktop 
back up, but the folders I already had open would not speak.  A 
reboot did solve the problem for now. I canned the Microsoft 
Disability desk and the person there did not know what I was 
talking about.  He did, although, quote help me out by changing the 
way my files are now listed.  You know how the item number is 
normally spoken at the end of a file name in a list, he fixed it so 
the number would be read first.  Also, I have always kept my files 
listed in detail view. Now, there are three columns and if I want 
to read down 

Re: question about foreground staging

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

Hi carol,
I'm sorry, but I don't have an answer. I've never had a real problem 
with the foreground staging window. As I said, when I get it, I just hit 
Windows+D and go back to what I was doing. It's gone and doesn't come back.
I don't even remember exactly when it comes up. It's not when I connect 
a drive. The drive just pops up in explorer and I paste what I've 
already cut or copied from another drive. I think it might come up when 
I eject the external drive. And again, I just Windows+D and it's gone.
I suspect the reason the guy from Microsoft didn't know anything is that 
the window is probably invisible. I saw this problem with MalwareBytes 
and notified them. The problem is that they're just shrinking the window 
down to 0 by 0 pixels instead of using the proper hide method. 
Consequently, to a screen reader, it's still a window.
All I can suggest is to play around with the order in which you do 
things. Hopefully you'll find one that works.

Good luck,
Tom


On 3/30/2019 9:13 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:

Hi Tom,

Thanks for writing.  In my case, I would go to the folder I wanted and 
then alt-tab to the drive I wanted to paste the files I wanted to move. 
The problem, although the drive was already open, was that WE would read 
absolutely nothing except the title bar read command would say 
"foreground staging."  Windows-d would open the desktop back up, but the 
folders I already had open would not speak.  A reboot did solve the 
problem for now.  I canned the Microsoft Disability desk and the person 
there did not know what I was talking about.  He did, although, quote 
help me out by changing the way my files are now listed.  You know how 
the item number is normally spoken at the end of a file name in a list, 
he fixed it so the number would be read first.  Also, I have always kept 
my files listed in detail view.  Now, there are three columns and if I 
want to read down through a list, I have to use the right arrow and 
there are no longer details for the files.  Oh well, I guess one gets 
what they pay for, grin.


Carol


On 3/29/2019 11:25 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,
Going to the desktop is how I take care of the foreground staging 
screen too. And I usually don't see it again. Although it does pop up 
once in a while. And it certainly hasn't caused any problems. I only 
see it when I'm on the desktop anyway, after boot, waking, or having 
had gone to the desktop before transferring files to a thumb drive.
All I can think of is to use Windows+D instead of Windows+M if that's 
what you use. It's all I do.

Hth,
Tom


On 3/29/2019 9:32 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:
Does anyone know how to get rid of the foreground staging screen in 
Windows 10?  It basically locks up my system in the manner that I can 
not read anything else except the title bar unless I go to the 
desktop. I can then open a folder, but if I do anything in that 
folder, the blank foreground staging screen comes up again. Thanks 
for any help.


Carol


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Re: question about foreground staging

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Hi Tom,

Thanks for writing.  In my case, I would go to the folder I wanted and 
then alt-tab to the drive I wanted to paste the files I wanted to move.  
The problem, although the drive was already open, was that WE would read 
absolutely nothing except the title bar read command would say 
"foreground staging."  Windows-d would open the desktop back up, but the 
folders I already had open would not speak.  A reboot did solve the 
problem for now.  I canned the Microsoft Disability desk and the person 
there did not know what I was talking about.  He did, although, quote 
help me out by changing the way my files are now listed.  You know how 
the item number is normally spoken at the end of a file name in a list, 
he fixed it so the number would be read first.  Also, I have always kept 
my files listed in detail view.  Now, there are three columns and if I 
want to read down through a list, I have to use the right arrow and 
there are no longer details for the files.  Oh well, I guess one gets 
what they pay for, grin.


Carol


On 3/29/2019 11:25 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,
Going to the desktop is how I take care of the foreground staging 
screen too. And I usually don't see it again. Although it does pop up 
once in a while. And it certainly hasn't caused any problems. I only 
see it when I'm on the desktop anyway, after boot, waking, or having 
had gone to the desktop before transferring files to a thumb drive.
All I can think of is to use Windows+D instead of Windows+M if that's 
what you use. It's all I do.

Hth,
Tom


On 3/29/2019 9:32 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:
Does anyone know how to get rid of the foreground staging screen in 
Windows 10?  It basically locks up my system in the manner that I can 
not read anything else except the title bar unless I go to the 
desktop. I can then open a folder, but if I do anything in that 
folder, the blank foreground staging screen comes up again. Thanks 
for any help.


Carol


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Re: question about foreground staging

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

Hi Carol,
Going to the desktop is how I take care of the foreground staging screen 
too. And I usually don't see it again. Although it does pop up once in a 
while. And it certainly hasn't caused any problems. I only see it when 
I'm on the desktop anyway, after boot, waking, or having had gone to the 
desktop before transferring files to a thumb drive.
All I can think of is to use Windows+D instead of Windows+M if that's 
what you use. It's all I do.

Hth,
Tom


On 3/29/2019 9:32 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:
Does anyone know how to get rid of the foreground staging screen in 
Windows 10?  It basically locks up my system in the manner that I can 
not read anything else except the title bar unless I go to the desktop. 
I can then open a folder, but if I do anything in that folder, the blank 
foreground staging screen comes up again. Thanks for any help.


Carol


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RE: Question About Android phone, Off Topic

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

I agree with that statement. I have chosen to go forward with NVDA, pluss JFW 
for CakeTalking access with Sonar, although when I get the production computer 
upgraded to windows 10, it will be NVDA and Narrator, and Reaper for the reason 
that you will have to keep your screen reader current going forward or lose out.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Bernie Perella via Talk
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2018 2:45 PM
To: Jim via Talk
Cc: Bernie Perella
Subject: Re: Question About Android phone, Off Topic

Hi Jim,  I suppose that I can't say I have never looked back after 
purching an Android phone and tablet, but not because I long for 
something else.  Rather, I a still using my Windows computer with 
Windows 1809.  I am still using it because I still am using a couple of 
programs that I like and don't yet have one to replace them.  for 
example, I really like the APH program Moneytalks and wish they would 
port it to another platform but don't think that will happen.  I have 
found Android and all the phone features pretty easy to learn and unlike 
We, there are no profiles, no setfiles etc.  At this point I am in 
process of getting office apps for android and that is going rather 
well.  I know there are some on this list who are still hanging onto 
older versions of windows and WE but I certainly would recommend to them 
that they really get started on choosing a path on which to move 
forward. Note that MS is now supporting only the most recent versions of 
Windows and IE is going by the by.  So, while one still has a working 
system, one could begin to think about and start making the change.  
while I have made my choice, I don't want to tell others what they 
should do.  Take care and have a happy new years.  Bernie

On 12/29/2018 4:22 PM, Jim via Talk wrote:
> Hi there Bernie!
>
> Well I went from the Apple iPhone 4 S to the Galaxy s5 and have never 
> looked back! Oh I still think about it but the Apple really hasn't 
> shown me any good reason to switch. Not that I wouldn't if I saw a 
> good reason.  I have been very happy with my Android phones and will 
> probably stay with them for the immediate future! Just My 2-Sense 
> worth! Have A Good 1! de
>
> On 26-Dec-18 14:46, Bernie Perella via Talk wrote:
>> Hi Bob, Yes, I am using an Android phone and because I got fed up with
>> high cellular phone bills, I switched to the Google Fi cellular
>> network.  As far as the phone goes, I was surprised how easy it was to
>> learn how to use the built-in screen reader called Talkback.  In fact,
>> when the annoouncement about the death of WE came out, I gave
>> considerable thought about what I should do.  I considered switching to
>> the other screenreader but discounted that path because I think that in
>> the not too distant future technology will bring to an end such
>> screenreradrs.  So, that left me where so many of us have wanted to be,
>> finding and acceptable screenreader that is supported by the operating
>> system creator. There are three choices:  MS narrator, Apple
>> Voiceover,and Android Talkback.  I played around with voiceover but I
>> was unahappy about the fact that I would have to have an Iphone and yoou
>> know how expensive they have become.  So, that left Android and there
>> are many phones in all price ranges that you can use.  I bought a very
>> inexpensive Android Tablet with the goal in mind of learning how to use
>> Talkback.  I felt that if using the touch screen was to difficult, I
>> would eat the $100 cost and consider it just an experiment. But, I was
>> surprised that I quickly learned how to use the tablet with the keyboard
>> first and then detaching it so as to use the touch screen. Actually,
>> Before buying the tablet,I needed a new cell phone so after reading
>> about Google Fi, I decided to try it since no contract was involved.  I
>> bought from Google the Nexus 5 and I have never looked back.  I coud go
>> on but probably by now you have had enough.  But, if you have any other
>> questions, let me know.  Bernie
>>
>> On 12/26/2018 2:32 PM, Robert Ringwald via Talk wrote:
>>> Anyone using an android phone"? If so, how do you like it?
>>>
>>> Is there an Android email list? Please reply off-list as this is
>>> off-topic.
>>>
>>> -Bob Ringwald
>>> r...@ringwald.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: Question About Android phone, Off Topic

[Bernie Perella via Talk]

Hi Jim,  I suppose that I can't say I have never looked back after 
purching an Android phone and tablet, but not because I long for 
something else.  Rather, I a still using my Windows computer with 
Windows 1809.  I am still using it because I still am using a couple of 
programs that I like and don't yet have one to replace them.  for 
example, I really like the APH program Moneytalks and wish they would 
port it to another platform but don't think that will happen.  I have 
found Android and all the phone features pretty easy to learn and unlike 
We, there are no profiles, no setfiles etc.  At this point I am in 
process of getting office apps for android and that is going rather 
well.  I know there are some on this list who are still hanging onto 
older versions of windows and WE but I certainly would recommend to them 
that they really get started on choosing a path on which to move 
forward. Note that MS is now supporting only the most recent versions of 
Windows and IE is going by the by.  So, while one still has a working 
system, one could begin to think about and start making the change.  
while I have made my choice, I don't want to tell others what they 
should do.  Take care and have a happy new years.  Bernie

On 12/29/2018 4:22 PM, Jim via Talk wrote:
> Hi there Bernie!
>
> Well I went from the Apple iPhone 4 S to the Galaxy s5 and have never 
> looked back! Oh I still think about it but the Apple really hasn't 
> shown me any good reason to switch. Not that I wouldn't if I saw a 
> good reason.  I have been very happy with my Android phones and will 
> probably stay with them for the immediate future! Just My 2-Sense 
> worth! Have A Good 1! de
>
> On 26-Dec-18 14:46, Bernie Perella via Talk wrote:
>> Hi Bob, Yes, I am using an Android phone and because I got fed up with
>> high cellular phone bills, I switched to the Google Fi cellular
>> network.  As far as the phone goes, I was surprised how easy it was to
>> learn how to use the built-in screen reader called Talkback.  In fact,
>> when the annoouncement about the death of WE came out, I gave
>> considerable thought about what I should do.  I considered switching to
>> the other screenreader but discounted that path because I think that in
>> the not too distant future technology will bring to an end such
>> screenreradrs.  So, that left me where so many of us have wanted to be,
>> finding and acceptable screenreader that is supported by the operating
>> system creator. There are three choices:  MS narrator, Apple
>> Voiceover,and Android Talkback.  I played around with voiceover but I
>> was unahappy about the fact that I would have to have an Iphone and yoou
>> know how expensive they have become.  So, that left Android and there
>> are many phones in all price ranges that you can use.  I bought a very
>> inexpensive Android Tablet with the goal in mind of learning how to use
>> Talkback.  I felt that if using the touch screen was to difficult, I
>> would eat the $100 cost and consider it just an experiment. But, I was
>> surprised that I quickly learned how to use the tablet with the keyboard
>> first and then detaching it so as to use the touch screen. Actually,
>> Before buying the tablet,I needed a new cell phone so after reading
>> about Google Fi, I decided to try it since no contract was involved.  I
>> bought from Google the Nexus 5 and I have never looked back.  I coud go
>> on but probably by now you have had enough.  But, if you have any other
>> questions, let me know.  Bernie
>>
>> On 12/26/2018 2:32 PM, Robert Ringwald via Talk wrote:
>>> Anyone using an android phone"? If so, how do you like it?
>>>
>>> Is there an Android email list? Please reply off-list as this is
>>> off-topic.
>>>
>>> -Bob Ringwald
>>> r...@ringwald.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: Question About Android phone, Off Topic

[Jim via Talk]

Hi there Bernie!

Well I went from the Apple iPhone 4 S to the Galaxy s5 and have never 
looked back! Oh I still think about it but the Apple really hasn't shown 
me any good reason to switch. Not that I wouldn't if I saw a good 
reason.  I have been very happy with my Android phones and will probably 
stay with them for the immediate future!  Just My 2-Sense worth! Have A 
Good 1! de


On 26-Dec-18 14:46, Bernie Perella via Talk wrote:

Hi Bob, Yes, I am using an Android phone and because I got fed up with
high cellular phone bills, I switched to the Google Fi cellular
network.  As far as the phone goes, I was surprised how easy it was to
learn how to use the built-in screen reader called Talkback.  In fact,
when the annoouncement about the death of WE came out, I gave
considerable thought about what I should do.  I considered switching to
the other screenreader but discounted that path because I think that in
the not too distant future technology will bring to an end such
screenreradrs.  So, that left me where so many of us have wanted to be,
finding and acceptable screenreader that is supported by the operating
system creator. There are three choices:  MS narrator, Apple
Voiceover,and Android Talkback.  I played around with voiceover but I
was unahappy about the fact that I would have to have an Iphone and yoou
know how expensive they have become.  So, that left Android and there
are many phones in all price ranges that you can use.  I bought a very
inexpensive Android Tablet with the goal in mind of learning how to use
Talkback.  I felt that if using the touch screen was to difficult, I
would eat the $100 cost and consider it just an experiment.  But, I was
surprised that I quickly learned how to use the tablet with the keyboard
first and then detaching it so as to use the touch screen.  Actually,
Before buying the tablet,I needed a new cell phone so after reading
about Google Fi, I decided to try it since no contract was involved.  I
bought from Google the Nexus 5 and I have never looked back.  I coud go
on but probably by now you have had enough.  But, if you have any other
questions, let me know.  Bernie

On 12/26/2018 2:32 PM, Robert Ringwald via Talk wrote:

Anyone using an android phone"? If so, how do you like it?

Is there an Android email list? Please reply off-list as this is
off-topic.

-Bob Ringwald
r...@ringwald.com




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Re: Question About Android phone, Off Topic

[Robert Ringwald via Talk]

Got 2 copies of this email. Thanks for the info. n

I wonder if anyone makes a raised dots overlay for the Android? I had one 
for my Ifone 5c. It was very helpful. Although I just could not catch on to 
the ifone. Tough to teach an old dawg, I guess...


-Bob

-Original Message- 
From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 2:44 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. ; 'Robert Ringwald'
Subject: RE: Question About Android phone, Off Topic

Mr. Ringwald asked:

"Anyone using an android phone"?"

Yes sir.  I live and breathe Android with plans to someday ditch Windows and
its associated screen readers as soon as it becomes practicable.

I like and love Android.  It is absolutely important to come to Android with
an open mind and a readiness to deal with some lerning curve.  No real
handholding with Android compared to other platforms.  There's also no one
size fits all in Android land:  There are a variety of toys to choose from
depending on how much each person is willing to pay for an Android toy.

You can begin your investigation of Android by visiting this site:

www.inclusiveandroid.com

There's also a book written by Ms. Ana Garza and Mr. James Meddaugh
available from the National Braille Press.


You also wrote:

"Is there an Android email list?"

Yes, there are quite a number of mailing lists for and about Android.  The
best one is setup by Google; it is hardly ever moderated, but several
developers are on it.  There is constant interaction between the user
community and Talkback developers.

It can be a very high traffic list; far too often, folks comparing Ios to
Android bring on the noise!  However, if you can look beyond the noise
machines, there are so many knowledgeable folks on the mailing list that are
willing to help an Android novice.  One great thing about Android is that
you can use any number of TTS engines; amongst them, Eloquence, Vocalizer,
Voxygen, Speak TTS, Acapela and the list goes on.  Typically, the default
TTS on an Android device is Google TTS, but you can change it to whatever
you like.

To subscribe to the mailing list, please send a blank message to:

eyes-free+subscr...@googlegroups.com

Please note that Braille support in Android is not all that arrow sharp at
the moment.  However, several Braille notetakers and displays are supported
using BrailleBack.  You do not need any extra software in order to connect
your Android toy to the computer and interact with it.  Your toy will show
up as another drive and you can move files back and forth between your
Windows and your Android toy just as you would do using a flash drive or an
SD card.

I hope the foregoing is reasonably helpful; if you have any additional
questions, please post in this space.  Much thanks!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado

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RE: Question About Android phone, Off Topic

[Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk]

Mr. Ringwald asked:

"Anyone using an android phone"?"

Yes sir.  I live and breathe Android with plans to someday ditch Windows and
its associated screen readers as soon as it becomes practicable.

I like and love Android.  It is absolutely important to come to Android with
an open mind and a readiness to deal with some lerning curve.  No real
handholding with Android compared to other platforms.  There's also no one
size fits all in Android land:  There are a variety of toys to choose from
depending on how much each person is willing to pay for an Android toy.  

You can begin your investigation of Android by visiting this site:

www.inclusiveandroid.com

There's also a book written by Ms. Ana Garza and Mr. James Meddaugh
available from the National Braille Press.


You also wrote:

"Is there an Android email list?"

Yes, there are quite a number of mailing lists for and about Android.  The
best one is setup by Google; it is hardly ever moderated, but several
developers are on it.  There is constant interaction between the user
community and Talkback developers.  

It can be a very high traffic list; far too often, folks comparing Ios to
Android bring on the noise!  However, if you can look beyond the noise
machines, there are so many knowledgeable folks on the mailing list that are
willing to help an Android novice.  One great thing about Android is that
you can use any number of TTS engines; amongst them, Eloquence, Vocalizer,
Voxygen, Speak TTS, Acapela and the list goes on.  Typically, the default
TTS on an Android device is Google TTS, but you can change it to whatever
you like.  

To subscribe to the mailing list, please send a blank message to:

eyes-free+subscr...@googlegroups.com

Please note that Braille support in Android is not all that arrow sharp at
the moment.  However, several Braille notetakers and displays are supported
using BrailleBack.  You do not need any extra software in order to connect
your Android toy to the computer and interact with it.  Your toy will show
up as another drive and you can move files back and forth between your
Windows and your Android toy just as you would do using a flash drive or an
SD card.  

I hope the foregoing is reasonably helpful; if you have any additional
questions, please post in this space.  Much thanks!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado 

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Re: Question About Android phone, Off Topic

[Bernie Perella via Talk]

Hi Bob, Yes, I am using an Android phone and because I got fed up with 
high cellular phone bills, I switched to the Google Fi cellular 
network.  As far as the phone goes, I was surprised how easy it was to 
learn how to use the built-in screen reader called Talkback.  In fact, 
when the annoouncement about the death of WE came out, I gave 
considerable thought about what I should do.  I considered switching to 
the other screenreader but discounted that path because I think that in 
the not too distant future technology will bring to an end such 
screenreradrs.  So, that left me where so many of us have wanted to be, 
finding and acceptable screenreader that is supported by the operating 
system creator. There are three choices:  MS narrator, Apple 
Voiceover,and Android Talkback.  I played around with voiceover but I 
was unahappy about the fact that I would have to have an Iphone and yoou 
know how expensive they have become.  So, that left Android and there 
are many phones in all price ranges that you can use.  I bought a very 
inexpensive Android Tablet with the goal in mind of learning how to use 
Talkback.  I felt that if using the touch screen was to difficult, I 
would eat the $100 cost and consider it just an experiment.  But, I was 
surprised that I quickly learned how to use the tablet with the keyboard 
first and then detaching it so as to use the touch screen.  Actually, 
Before buying the tablet,I needed a new cell phone so after reading 
about Google Fi, I decided to try it since no contract was involved.  I 
bought from Google the Nexus 5 and I have never looked back.  I coud go 
on but probably by now you have had enough.  But, if you have any other 
questions, let me know.  Bernie

On 12/26/2018 2:32 PM, Robert Ringwald via Talk wrote:
> Anyone using an android phone"? If so, how do you like it?
>
> Is there an Android email list? Please reply off-list as this is 
> off-topic.
>
> -Bob Ringwald
> r...@ringwald.com
>
>
>
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Re: Question re window-eyes set files

[net bat via Talk]

the set file for the desktop and  in my pc should be explorer.set. this is a 
default set file installed with w e.
also i don't know if this app is responsible for how the folder lists show. but 
see if the microsoft app is running.



-Original Message- 
From: Rod Hutton via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2018 3:59 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: RE: Question re window-eyes set files

Hi Don,

I doff my chapeau to the insights already offered by Netbat and Tom, and I just 
wanted to say that on my machine, there is no set file association for either 
the desktop, any folder list view, nor This PC.
When I go to the Window-Eyes control panel when is either of these three 
places, the active set file is default.set and it says "associated: None."
Also, I've seen the problem you describe fix itself, and so there is hope. 
Smile


All the best,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Donald Roberts via Talk

Sent: November 26, 2018 10:13 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Donald Roberts 
Subject: Question re window-eyes set files

I have two Windows 10 desktops running version 1803, and of course my screen 
reader of choice is Window-eyes 9.5.4.


On my Dell desktop, Window-eyes announces the names of the folders and drives 
in this pc just fine. I opted to do a clean install of Windows 10 and wipe the 
drive on my HP desktop. After installing Window-eyes, the drive and folder 
names are not stated.  All I hear for each is "group status." However, if I hit 
enter on any of these, I hear the appropriate content although the drive and 
folder names are not verbalized. Conversely, if I load Jaws 18, drive and 
folder names are verbalized correctly.


This makes me wonder whether this is a set file issue, particularly because 
those things are properly verbalized on my Dell machine which as stated above 
is running W E 9.5.4.


If someone can shed some light on this problem and the appropriate fix, I would 
be most grateful.



Don Roberts
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RE: Question re window-eyes set files

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Don,

I doff my chapeau to the insights already offered by Netbat and Tom, and I just 
wanted to say that on my machine, there is no set file association for either 
the desktop, any folder list view, nor This PC.
When I go to the Window-Eyes control panel when is either of these three 
places, the active set file is default.set and it says "associated: None."
Also, I've seen the problem you describe fix itself, and so there is hope. Smile

All the best,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Donald Roberts via Talk
Sent: November 26, 2018 10:13 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Donald Roberts 
Subject: Question re window-eyes set files

I have two Windows 10 desktops running version 1803, and of course my screen 
reader of choice is Window-eyes 9.5.4. 

On my Dell desktop, Window-eyes announces the names of the folders and drives 
in this pc just fine. I opted to do a clean install of Windows 10 and wipe the 
drive on my HP desktop. After installing Window-eyes, the drive and folder 
names are not stated.  All I hear for each is "group status." However, if I hit 
enter on any of these, I hear the appropriate content although the drive and 
folder names are not verbalized. Conversely, if I load Jaws 18, drive and 
folder names are verbalized correctly.

This makes me wonder whether this is a set file issue, particularly because 
those things are properly verbalized on my Dell machine which as stated above 
is running W E 9.5.4.

If someone can shed some light on this problem and the appropriate fix, I would 
be most grateful.


Don Roberts
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Re: Question re window-eyes set files

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

It's under the View tab in File Explorer Options in the Control Panel. 
There's all kinds of junk that can be turned off, like recently viewed 
files and folders quick bars, the preview pane, and so on. I think I had 
to go through it all to fix the same problem.

Hth,
Tom


On 11/27/2018 2:57 AM, net bat via Talk wrote:
i would look at the folder options in the windows views options. i don't 
know where to go for this with windows 10.

there are  options to group folders by name and this can be turned off.

-Original Message- From: Donald Roberts via Talk
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2018 7:13 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Donald Roberts
Subject: Question re window-eyes set files

I have two Windows 10 desktops running version 1803, and of course my 
screen reader of choice is Window-eyes 9.5.4.


On my Dell desktop, Window-eyes announces the names of the folders and 
drives in this pc just fine. I opted to do a clean install of Windows 10 
and wipe the drive on my HP desktop. After installing Window-eyes, the 
drive and folder names are not stated.  All I hear for each is "group 
status." However, if I hit enter on any of these, I hear the appropriate 
content although the drive and folder names are not verbalized. 
Conversely, if I load Jaws 18, drive and folder names are verbalized 
correctly.


This makes me wonder whether this is a set file issue, particularly 
because those things are properly verbalized on my Dell machine which as 
stated above is running W E 9.5.4.


If someone can shed some light on this problem and the appropriate fix, 
I would be most grateful.



Don Roberts
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Re: Question re window-eyes set files

[net bat via Talk]

i would look at the folder options in the windows views options. i don't know 
where to go for this with windows 10.

there are  options to group folders by name and this can be turned off.

-Original Message- 
From: Donald Roberts via Talk

Sent: Monday, November 26, 2018 7:13 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Donald Roberts
Subject: Question re window-eyes set files

I have two Windows 10 desktops running version 1803, and of course my screen 
reader of choice is Window-eyes 9.5.4.


On my Dell desktop, Window-eyes announces the names of the folders and drives 
in this pc just fine. I opted to do a clean install of Windows 10 and wipe the 
drive on my HP desktop. After installing Window-eyes, the drive and folder 
names are not stated.  All I hear for each is "group status." However, if I hit 
enter on any of these, I hear the appropriate content although the drive and 
folder names are not verbalized. Conversely, if I load Jaws 18, drive and 
folder names are verbalized correctly.


This makes me wonder whether this is a set file issue, particularly because 
those things are properly verbalized on my Dell machine which as stated above 
is running W E 9.5.4.


If someone can shed some light on this problem and the appropriate fix, I would 
be most grateful.



Don Roberts
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Re: Question About WLM

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

Have you tried a different screen reader to see if it's a window eyes issue?

-Original Message- 
From: Robert Ringwald via Talk

Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2018 7:36 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Robert Ringwald
Subject: Re: Question About WLM

Window-Eyes

-Original Message- 
From: Russ Kiehne via Talk

Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2018 6:26 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Russ Kiehne
Subject: Re: Question About WLM

What screen reader are you using?

-Original Message- 
From: Robert Ringwald via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 4:13 PM
To: Lloyd Rasmussen ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Robert Ringwald
Subject: Re: Question About WLM

Nope, didn't cure the problem.

Bob

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-Original Message- 
From: Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 3:28 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Lloyd Rasmussen
Subject: Re: Question About WLM

Try to maximize both the parent window (the mailbox listing) and then the
child window where the message is being displayed or edited. These sometimes
get set to normal and begin working after they are maximized.
Alt-spacebar for the main window, and alt-dash spacebar for the child
window, as it used to be with some of the older Windows programs.
Hope this helps.
73,


Lloyd Rasmussen, W3IUU, Kensington, MD
http://lras.home.sprynet.com
-Original Message- 
From: Robert Ringwald via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 2:24 PM
To: Talk
Cc: Robert Ringwald
Subject: Question About WLM

I open WLM. I can read what I write in the text of the email I am creating.
Then the 2nd email I creatE, I can't read what I write. In order to read
what I write in the text, I have to close WLM and then open it again.

Anyone know how to fix this?


Bob Ringwald piano, Solo, Duo, Trio, Quartet, Quintet
Fulton Street Jazz Band (Dixieland/Swing)
916/ 806-9551
Check out my performing schedule: www.ringwald.com/schedule.php
Amateur (ham) Radio Station K6YBV

"If the world was perfect, it wouldn't be."
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Re: Question About WLM

[peter Chin via Talk]

Hello All,

I, too, have a question about WLM. My computer technician installed it for 
me. However, I have never been able to get the spellcheck to work. When I go 
to the menu to look at it, it says that it is "disabled". How do I enable 
it?


Thanks in advance.

-Original Message- 
From: net bat via Talk

Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2018 10:30 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: net bat
Subject: Re: Question About WLM

as far as the windows are conserned they usually do not stay maximized. once
you reload wlm they usually revert back to the state they were before.
***
if you can find it try re installing the wlm app. this also has the set 
files

wlm uses.
a few times i had to do this because something happend to the installation 
and

i had to re install it to get it working again.
-Original Message- 
From: Robert Ringwald via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 4:13 PM
To: Lloyd Rasmussen ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Robert Ringwald
Subject: Re: Question About WLM

Nope, didn't cure the problem.

Bob

.
-Original Message- 
From: Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 3:28 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Lloyd Rasmussen
Subject: Re: Question About WLM

Try to maximize both the parent window (the mailbox listing) and then the
child window where the message is being displayed or edited. These sometimes
get set to normal and begin working after they are maximized.
Alt-spacebar for the main window, and alt-dash spacebar for the child
window, as it used to be with some of the older Windows programs.
Hope this helps.
73,


Lloyd Rasmussen, W3IUU, Kensington, MD
http://lras.home.sprynet.com
-Original Message- 
From: Robert Ringwald via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 2:24 PM
To: Talk
Cc: Robert Ringwald
Subject: Question About WLM

I open WLM. I can read what I write in the text of the email I am creating.
Then the 2nd email I creatE, I can't read what I write. In order to read
what I write in the text, I have to close WLM and then open it again.

Anyone know how to fix this?


Bob Ringwald piano, Solo, Duo, Trio, Quartet, Quintet
Fulton Street Jazz Band (Dixieland/Swing)
916/ 806-9551
Check out my performing schedule: www.ringwald.com/schedule.php
Amateur (ham) Radio Station K6YBV

"If the world was perfect, it wouldn't be."
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Re: Question About WLM

[Robert Ringwald via Talk]

Window-Eyes

-Original Message- 
From: Russ Kiehne via Talk

Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2018 6:26 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Russ Kiehne
Subject: Re: Question About WLM

What screen reader are you using?

-Original Message- 
From: Robert Ringwald via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 4:13 PM
To: Lloyd Rasmussen ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Robert Ringwald
Subject: Re: Question About WLM

Nope, didn't cure the problem.

Bob

.
-Original Message- 
From: Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 3:28 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Lloyd Rasmussen
Subject: Re: Question About WLM

Try to maximize both the parent window (the mailbox listing) and then the
child window where the message is being displayed or edited. These sometimes
get set to normal and begin working after they are maximized.
Alt-spacebar for the main window, and alt-dash spacebar for the child
window, as it used to be with some of the older Windows programs.
Hope this helps.
73,


Lloyd Rasmussen, W3IUU, Kensington, MD
http://lras.home.sprynet.com
-Original Message- 
From: Robert Ringwald via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 2:24 PM
To: Talk
Cc: Robert Ringwald
Subject: Question About WLM

I open WLM. I can read what I write in the text of the email I am creating.
Then the 2nd email I creatE, I can't read what I write. In order to read
what I write in the text, I have to close WLM and then open it again.

Anyone know how to fix this?


Bob Ringwald piano, Solo, Duo, Trio, Quartet, Quintet
Fulton Street Jazz Band (Dixieland/Swing)
916/ 806-9551
Check out my performing schedule: www.ringwald.com/schedule.php
Amateur (ham) Radio Station K6YBV

"If the world was perfect, it wouldn't be."
Lawrence Peter (Yogi) Berra, B5-12-1925, D9-22-2015


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Re: Question About WLM

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

What screen reader are you using?

-Original Message- 
From: Robert Ringwald via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 4:13 PM
To: Lloyd Rasmussen ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Robert Ringwald
Subject: Re: Question About WLM

Nope, didn't cure the problem.

Bob

.
-Original Message- 
From: Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 3:28 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Lloyd Rasmussen
Subject: Re: Question About WLM

Try to maximize both the parent window (the mailbox listing) and then the
child window where the message is being displayed or edited. These sometimes
get set to normal and begin working after they are maximized.
Alt-spacebar for the main window, and alt-dash spacebar for the child
window, as it used to be with some of the older Windows programs.
Hope this helps.
73,


Lloyd Rasmussen, W3IUU, Kensington, MD
http://lras.home.sprynet.com
-Original Message- 
From: Robert Ringwald via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 2:24 PM
To: Talk
Cc: Robert Ringwald
Subject: Question About WLM

I open WLM. I can read what I write in the text of the email I am creating.
Then the 2nd email I creatE, I can't read what I write. In order to read
what I write in the text, I have to close WLM and then open it again.

Anyone know how to fix this?


Bob Ringwald piano, Solo, Duo, Trio, Quartet, Quintet
Fulton Street Jazz Band (Dixieland/Swing)
916/ 806-9551
Check out my performing schedule: www.ringwald.com/schedule.php
Amateur (ham) Radio Station K6YBV

"If the world was perfect, it wouldn't be."
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Re: Question About WLM

[Robert Ringwald via Talk]

How do I get to the WLM app?


-Original Message- 
From: net bat via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 6:30 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: net bat
Subject: Re: Question About WLM

as far as the windows are conserned they usually do not stay maximized. once
you reload wlm they usually revert back to the state they were before.
***
if you can find it try re installing the wlm app. this also has the set 
files

wlm uses.
a few times i had to do this because something happend to the installation 
and

i had to re install it to get it working again.
-Original Message- 
From: Robert Ringwald via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 4:13 PM
To: Lloyd Rasmussen ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Robert Ringwald
Subject: Re: Question About WLM

Nope, didn't cure the problem.

Bob

.
-Original Message- 
From: Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 3:28 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Lloyd Rasmussen
Subject: Re: Question About WLM

Try to maximize both the parent window (the mailbox listing) and then the
child window where the message is being displayed or edited. These sometimes
get set to normal and begin working after they are maximized.
Alt-spacebar for the main window, and alt-dash spacebar for the child
window, as it used to be with some of the older Windows programs.
Hope this helps.
73,


Lloyd Rasmussen, W3IUU, Kensington, MD
http://lras.home.sprynet.com
-Original Message- 
From: Robert Ringwald via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 2:24 PM
To: Talk
Cc: Robert Ringwald
Subject: Question About WLM

I open WLM. I can read what I write in the text of the email I am creating.
Then the 2nd email I creatE, I can't read what I write. In order to read
what I write in the text, I have to close WLM and then open it again.

Anyone know how to fix this?


Bob Ringwald piano, Solo, Duo, Trio, Quartet, Quintet
Fulton Street Jazz Band (Dixieland/Swing)
916/ 806-9551
Check out my performing schedule: www.ringwald.com/schedule.php
Amateur (ham) Radio Station K6YBV

"If the world was perfect, it wouldn't be."
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Re: Question About WLM

[net bat via Talk]

as far as the windows are conserned they usually do not stay maximized. once 
you reload wlm they usually revert back to the state they were before.

***
if you can find it try re installing the wlm app. this also has the set files 
wlm uses.
a few times i had to do this because something happend to the installation and 
i had to re install it to get it working again.
-Original Message- 
From: Robert Ringwald via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 4:13 PM
To: Lloyd Rasmussen ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Robert Ringwald
Subject: Re: Question About WLM

Nope, didn't cure the problem.

Bob

.
-Original Message- 
From: Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 3:28 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Lloyd Rasmussen
Subject: Re: Question About WLM

Try to maximize both the parent window (the mailbox listing) and then the
child window where the message is being displayed or edited. These sometimes
get set to normal and begin working after they are maximized.
Alt-spacebar for the main window, and alt-dash spacebar for the child
window, as it used to be with some of the older Windows programs.
Hope this helps.
73,


Lloyd Rasmussen, W3IUU, Kensington, MD
http://lras.home.sprynet.com
-Original Message- 
From: Robert Ringwald via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 2:24 PM
To: Talk
Cc: Robert Ringwald
Subject: Question About WLM

I open WLM. I can read what I write in the text of the email I am creating.
Then the 2nd email I creatE, I can't read what I write. In order to read
what I write in the text, I have to close WLM and then open it again.

Anyone know how to fix this?


Bob Ringwald piano, Solo, Duo, Trio, Quartet, Quintet
Fulton Street Jazz Band (Dixieland/Swing)
916/ 806-9551
Check out my performing schedule: www.ringwald.com/schedule.php
Amateur (ham) Radio Station K6YBV

"If the world was perfect, it wouldn't be."
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Re: Question About WLM

[Robert Ringwald via Talk]

Nope, didn't cure the problem.

Bob

.
-Original Message- 
From: Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 3:28 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Lloyd Rasmussen
Subject: Re: Question About WLM

Try to maximize both the parent window (the mailbox listing) and then the
child window where the message is being displayed or edited. These sometimes
get set to normal and begin working after they are maximized.
Alt-spacebar for the main window, and alt-dash spacebar for the child
window, as it used to be with some of the older Windows programs.
Hope this helps.
73,


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http://lras.home.sprynet.com
-Original Message- 
From: Robert Ringwald via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 2:24 PM
To: Talk
Cc: Robert Ringwald
Subject: Question About WLM

I open WLM. I can read what I write in the text of the email I am creating.
Then the 2nd email I creatE, I can't read what I write. In order to read
what I write in the text, I have to close WLM and then open it again.

Anyone know how to fix this?


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916/ 806-9551
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"If the world was perfect, it wouldn't be."
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Re: Question About WLM

[Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk]

Try to maximize both the parent window (the mailbox listing) and then the 
child window where the message is being displayed or edited. These sometimes 
get set to normal and begin working after they are maximized.
Alt-spacebar for the main window, and alt-dash spacebar for the child 
window, as it used to be with some of the older Windows programs.

Hope this helps.
73,


Lloyd Rasmussen, W3IUU, Kensington, MD
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-Original Message- 
From: Robert Ringwald via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 2:24 PM
To: Talk
Cc: Robert Ringwald
Subject: Question About WLM

I open WLM. I can read what I write in the text of the email I am creating.
Then the 2nd email I creatE, I can't read what I write. In order to read
what I write in the text, I have to close WLM and then open it again.

Anyone know how to fix this?


Bob Ringwald piano, Solo, Duo, Trio, Quartet, Quintet
Fulton Street Jazz Band (Dixieland/Swing)
916/ 806-9551
Check out my performing schedule: www.ringwald.com/schedule.php
Amateur (ham) Radio Station K6YBV

"If the world was perfect, it wouldn't be."
Lawrence Peter (Yogi) Berra, B5-12-1925, D9-22-2015


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Re: question about window-eyes

[Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk]

Sometimes various programs temporarily grab the focus while they are 
updating, then relinquish it and redraw the part of the screen where you 
have been working. Also, this verbiage could be related to where the mouse 
pointer is located on the screen. In addition to all that, sometimes I hear 
something that I placed on the clipboard a considerable time earlier, and it 
is not related to what I am doing at the moment.




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-Original Message- 
From: Norene Trappa via Talk

Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 9:10 PM
To: t...@window-eyes.com
Cc: Norene Trappa
Subject: question about window-eyes

I am using the latest version of window-eyes, windows 10, and text cloner 
pro for the OCR program.  Window-eyes talks to itself whenever I’m away from 
the computer.  It might speak the date, time, or it will grab the subject 
line from other e-mails.  At times it will stop speaking in the middle of an 
e-mail and it is necessary to start over again.  I use wifi which is in the 
apartment building.  Any ideas as to what’s going on?  Thanks.


Norene

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Re: question about docs.

[Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk]

As far as I know, Wordpad can edit/read D O C X files and RTF files, but not 
.d o c.

You may want to look into Jart (or however it is spelled.)




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-Original Message- 
From: Carol and Roger via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2018 7:27 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Carol and Roger
Subject: Re: question about docs.

Hi Michael.

If you have Wordpad on your system, you should be able to open docs with
it.  I think you will be somewhat limited with formatting, bt it will
read the text.

Carol

On 2/6/2018 5:01 AM, michael fridey via Talk wrote:
Hi ghys i know that the free app called microsoft word viewer is not 
around now.


So i was after a basic free app to read microsoft word docs.

can anyone  tell me one.

Cheers michael.

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Re: question about docs.

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Hi Michael.

If you have Wordpad on your system, you should be able to open docs with 
it.  I think you will be somewhat limited with formatting, bt it will 
read the text.


Carol

On 2/6/2018 5:01 AM, michael fridey via Talk wrote:
Hi ghys i know that the free app called microsoft word viewer is 
not around now.


So i was after a basic free app to read microsoft word docs.

can anyone  tell me one.

Cheers michael.

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Re: Question About Indenting

[Robert Ringwald via Talk]

Thanks, I think that fixed it.

-Bob


-Original Message- 
From: Tom Kingston via Talk

Sent: Monday, January 8, 2018 9:12 AM
To: Robert Ringwald via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: Question About Indenting

Hi Bob,
Try pressing the numpad insert and the top number row 5. If it says
format alert off, that's the problem.
Regards,
Tom


On 1/8/2018 11:23 AM, Robert Ringwald via Talk wrote:

Windows 10
WLM 2012
Word 2010
Window-Eyes 9.5

WE tells me how many spaces lines are indented and how many spaces are 
after the period. I don’t know what I did to start this behavior nor how 
to stop it.


Any suggestions?




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Fulton Street Jazz Band (Dixieland/Swing)
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if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed.” -- Mark Twain



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Re: Question About Indenting

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

Hi Bob,
Try pressing the numpad insert and the top number row 5. If it says 
format alert off, that's the problem.

Regards,
Tom


On 1/8/2018 11:23 AM, Robert Ringwald via Talk wrote:

Windows 10
WLM 2012
Word 2010
Window-Eyes 9.5

WE tells me how many spaces lines are indented and how many spaces are 
after the period. I don’t know what I did to start this behavior nor how 
to stop it.


Any suggestions?




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Fulton Street Jazz Band (Dixieland/Swing)
916/ 806-9551
Check out my performing schedule: www.ringwald.com/schedule.php
Amateur (ham) Radio Station K6YBV

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if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed.” -- Mark Twain



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RE: Question About KNFB and camera.

[Bob Hicks via Talk]

What is the link for joining the KNFB Reader list?  tia

Have a great day!

Bob Hicks

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+bob=seeinghandassociation@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Steve Jacobson via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 11:20 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Steve Jacobson <steve.jacob...@visi.com>
Subject: RE: Question About KNFB and camera.

Robert,

KNFB reader would do that if it doesn't check for a camera when it starts.  
There is a KNFB Readers' list, I'll see if anybody knows on that list.

Best regards,

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Robert Ringwald via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 9:33 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Robert Ringwald <r...@ringwald.com>
Subject: Re: Question About KNFB and camera.

Thanks David. Very interesting.

My one question is, if all I want to do with the KNFB program is decipher 
scanned PDF files that are already in my WLM email, will the KNFB reader read 
those internally with no camera or any other device needed?

I have Win 10 and WLM 12 on a del PC.


-Original Message-
From: David via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 2:16 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: David
Subject: Re: Question About KNFB and camera.

PDF documents, or any other file formats on your computer, are electronically 
stored information.


Cameras cannot read electronic documents. They are such constructed, they need 
to "see" things in real, before they can do anything.


All electronic formats, be it music, video, documents or just any 
blah-blah-blah, will have to be processed internally in the computer.


To best illustrate things, may I suggest you think of the camera as the "eye" 
of the computer. Let's at the same time, tell the scanner to be the other "eye" 
of the PC. The CPU, (or processor), the RAM and any other electronic inside 
your computer's physical box - well, let's name it the brain. Even so, the hard 
disk or SSD, which we will compare to your "deep memory".


As you well know, your physical eyes cannot "look" inside the brain, and 
perform anything from within your body. Rather, the eyes can feed the brain 
with information, which your brain now can process.


Back to your query. You will need a camera to feed any written or physically 
visible information into the computer. Whatever has already been fed into the 
computer, like an electronically stored document, will be non-interesting for 
the camera, scanner or any further feeding equipment. All processing of what 
you have in your brain, will be done by the brain directly. All information 
already stored on your computer, will be processed directly by the computer, 
and loaded software.


I know, you wanted a quick answer to your question. I just thought it might be 
helpful for you and others, to have a clarified comprehension of why the answer 
is the way it stands.


To jhust elaborate a tiny bit here, let me in very short terms tell you how any 
OCR software works.

First of all, it needs to retrieve some information. It will typically leave 
you the chance of defining whether it should grab some electronic document, or 
if it should contact an external piece of equipment - like a camera or a 
scanner. To the software, it basically does not matter whichever way you feed 
it with information.


Next, it will start to process the information it has loaded into its memory. 
All such electronic information is made up of 0's and 1's, also known as 
pixels. And the software will compare the layout of these, with an internal 
dictionary. The dictionary will be like a tremendous collection of stencils. If 
the OCR finds that a set of dots (or pixels) in the received information 
matches any stencil in the dictionary, it will know what character this will 
represent. It now will "type" this character into a virtual document, thereby 
imitating you pressing a key on the keyboard.


Finally, when it has finished the whole loaded information, it will present you 
with the virtually typed document.


For your information, in old times, the stencil-lookup was pretty much a 
one-to-one comparison. That means, it would need a match that would be very 
close to the exact stenciled shape. If it was to recognize anything to be the 
letter O, it would need a set of pixels in a perfect circle.


Modern OCR software has become far mor "inteligent", whatever we want to talk 
about inteligence when comes to silly electronic units like a computer. The 
inteligence is that the OCR no longer will depend on close to exact matches. To 
a very high degree, it might "look" at the properties of a scanned character, 
and base its recognition on the results thereof. For instance, it would 
conclude that a set 

RE: Question About KNFB and camera.

[evelyn weckerly via Talk]

Hi, Steve,

How could you forget all that beta testing (grin).  I really 
appreciate your contributions to this list.  Thank you for taking 
the time again and again for thoughtfully answering people's 
questions.


Cordially,

Evelyn

- Original Message -
From: Steve Jacobson via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com
To: "'Window-Eyes Discussion List'" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Date sent: Tue, 28 Nov 2017 21:13:23 -0600
Subject: RE: Question About KNFB and camera.

Evelyn,

You are, of course, correct, and while I did not own one I did 
beta test
one.  That device even had a separate camera even though they 
were strapped
together so they could function like a single device.   Thank you 
for the

reminder.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

-Original Message-
From: evelyn weckerly [mailto:wecke...@i2k.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 7:27 PM
To: steve.jacob...@visi.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: RE: Question About KNFB and camera.

Hi, Steve,

Just one little correction: The KNFBREADER Mobile started life on
a PDA (personal digital assistant).  I know because I owned it.
I also still have the smartphone version, which was the second
generation of it.  I also have it on the Braille Note Touch-for
free.

Regards,

Evelyn



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Re: Question About KNFB and camera.

[David via Talk]

 with the KNFB program is 
>>> decipher scanned PDF files that are already in my WLM email, will 
>>> the KNFB reader read those internally with no camera or any other 
>>> device needed?
>>>
>>> I have Win 10 and WLM 12 on a del PC.
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: David via Talk
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 2:16 PM
>>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>> Cc: David
>>> Subject: Re: Question About KNFB and camera.
>>>
>>> PDF documents, or any other file formats on your computer, are
>>> electronically stored information.
>>>
>>>
>>> Cameras cannot read electronic documents. They are such constructed,
>>> they need to "see" things in real, before they can do anything.
>>>
>>>
>>> All electronic formats, be it music, video, documents or just any
>>> blah-blah-blah, will have to be processed internally in the computer.
>>>
>>>
>>> To best illustrate things, may I suggest you think of the camera as the
>>> "eye" of the computer. Let's at the same time, tell the scanner to be
>>> the other "eye" of the PC. The CPU, (or processor), the RAM and any
>>> other electronic inside your computer's physical box - well, let's name
>>> it the brain. Even so, the hard disk or SSD, which we will compare to
>>> your "deep memory".
>>>
>>>
>>> As you well know, your physical eyes cannot "look" inside the brain, 
>>> and
>>> perform anything from within your body. Rather, the eyes can feed the
>>> brain with information, which your brain now can process.
>>>
>>>
>>> Back to your query. You will need a camera to feed any written or
>>> physically visible information into the computer. Whatever has already
>>> been fed into the computer, like an electronically stored document, 
>>> will
>>> be non-interesting for the camera, scanner or any further feeding
>>> equipment. All processing of what you have in your brain, will be done
>>> by the brain directly. All information already stored on your computer,
>>> will be processed directly by the computer, and loaded software.
>>>
>>>
>>> I know, you wanted a quick answer to your question. I just thought it
>>> might be helpful for you and others, to have a clarified comprehension
>>> of why the answer is the way it stands.
>>>
>>>
>>> To jhust elaborate a tiny bit here, let me in very short terms tell you
>>> how any OCR software works.
>>>
>>> First of all, it needs to retrieve some information. It will typically
>>> leave you the chance of defining whether it should grab some electronic
>>> document, or if it should contact an external piece of equipment - like
>>> a camera or a scanner. To the software, it basically does not matter
>>> whichever way you feed it with information.
>>>
>>>
>>> Next, it will start to process the information it has loaded into its
>>> memory. All such electronic information is made up of 0's and 1's, also
>>> known as pixels. And the software will compare the layout of these, 
>>> with
>>> an internal dictionary. The dictionary will be like a tremendous
>>> collection of stencils. If the OCR finds that a set of dots (or pixels)
>>> in the received information matches any stencil in the dictionary, it
>>> will know what character this will represent. It now will "type" this
>>> character into a virtual document, thereby imitating you pressing a key
>>> on the keyboard.
>>>
>>>
>>> Finally, when it has finished the whole loaded information, it will
>>> present you with the virtually typed document.
>>>
>>>
>>> For your information, in old times, the stencil-lookup was pretty 
>>> much a
>>> one-to-one comparison. That means, it would need a match that would be
>>> very close to the exact stenciled shape. If it was to recognize 
>>> anything
>>> to be the letter O, it would need a set of pixels in a perfect circle.
>>>
>>>
>>> Modern OCR software has become far mor "inteligent", whatever we 
>>> want to
>>> talk about inteligence when comes to silly electronic units like a
>>> computer. The inteligence is that the OCR no longer will depend on 
>>> close
>>> to exact matches. To a very high degree, it might "look" at the
>&g

Re: Question About KNFB and camera.

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

Joseph,
You should know what you're talking about before disseminating incorrect 
information. The KNFB reader does not need a camera to read any of the 
file types it supports. They're files already on the computer. What are 
you going to do with a camera? You import the files into KNFB and it's 
just another image already created that the same process is performed on.


Bob. Here's a link to the web site with the full documentation.
https://knfbreader.com/knfb-reader-windows-10-complete-user-guide

Good luck,
Tom


On 11/29/2017 12:57 AM, joseph hudson via Talk wrote:

Hello, as I reported on another list, no I don't think so. It needs a camera to 
read files.
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On Nov 28, 2017, at 9:33 PM, Robert Ringwald via Talk 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

Thanks David. Very interesting.

My one question is, if all I want to do with the KNFB program is decipher 
scanned PDF files that are already in my WLM email, will the KNFB reader read 
those internally with no camera or any other device needed?

I have Win 10 and WLM 12 on a del PC.


-Original Message- From: David via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 2:16 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: David
Subject: Re: Question About KNFB and camera.

PDF documents, or any other file formats on your computer, are
electronically stored information.


Cameras cannot read electronic documents. They are such constructed,
they need to "see" things in real, before they can do anything.


All electronic formats, be it music, video, documents or just any
blah-blah-blah, will have to be processed internally in the computer.


To best illustrate things, may I suggest you think of the camera as the
"eye" of the computer. Let's at the same time, tell the scanner to be
the other "eye" of the PC. The CPU, (or processor), the RAM and any
other electronic inside your computer's physical box - well, let's name
it the brain. Even so, the hard disk or SSD, which we will compare to
your "deep memory".


As you well know, your physical eyes cannot "look" inside the brain, and
perform anything from within your body. Rather, the eyes can feed the
brain with information, which your brain now can process.


Back to your query. You will need a camera to feed any written or
physically visible information into the computer. Whatever has already
been fed into the computer, like an electronically stored document, will
be non-interesting for the camera, scanner or any further feeding
equipment. All processing of what you have in your brain, will be done
by the brain directly. All information already stored on your computer,
will be processed directly by the computer, and loaded software.


I know, you wanted a quick answer to your question. I just thought it
might be helpful for you and others, to have a clarified comprehension
of why the answer is the way it stands.


To jhust elaborate a tiny bit here, let me in very short terms tell you
how any OCR software works.

First of all, it needs to retrieve some information. It will typically
leave you the chance of defining whether it should grab some electronic
document, or if it should contact an external piece of equipment - like
a camera or a scanner. To the software, it basically does not matter
whichever way you feed it with information.


Next, it will start to process the information it has loaded into its
memory. All such electronic information is made up of 0's and 1's, also
known as pixels. And the software will compare the layout of these, with
an internal dictionary. The dictionary will be like a tremendous
collection of stencils. If the OCR finds that a set of dots (or pixels)
in the received information matches any stencil in the dictionary, it
will know what character this will represent. It now will "type" this
character into a virtual document, thereby imitating you pressing a key
on the keyboard.


Finally, when it has finished the whole loaded information, it will
present you with the virtually typed document.


For your information, in old times, the stencil-lookup was pretty much a
one-to-one comparison. That means, it would need a match that would be
very close to the exact stenciled shape. If it was to recognize anything
to be the letter O, it would need a set of pixels in a perfect circle.


Modern OCR software has become far mor "inteligent", whatever we want to
talk about inteligence when comes to silly electronic units like a
computer. The inteligence is that the OCR no longer will depend on close
to exact matches. To a very high degree, it might "look" at the
properties of a scanned character, and base its recognition on the
results thereof. For instance, it would conclude that a se

Re: Question About KNFB and camera.

[joseph hudson via Talk]

Hi Steve, I would bet, that it checks for a camera before you perform an action.
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> On Nov 28, 2017, at 5:44 PM, Steve Jacobson via Talk 
>  wrote:
> 
> Robert,
> 
> Maybe you already know this, but the strength of the KNFB reader is to take a 
> picture of a document and turn it into text.  It was originally designed to 
> be used on smart phones offering an extremely portable reading solution.  It 
> is now available in Windows, but the idea was to be able to use the cameras 
> that are built into many laptops and tablets to allow reading of text.  
> Although I have not used it this way, it can apparently perform Optical 
> Character Recognition on PDF documents and other internal files which does 
> not involve using a camera.  However, I do not know if the KNFB Reader checks 
> for a camera or not.  It seems to me that back near the beginning of this 
> thread, you asked about whether it can read PDF's.  Before you buy it to read 
> PDF's that don't contain text, check out the option in JAWS to do that now.  
> If you are on JAWS 18 or JAWS 2018, it is possible that you already have 
> something that will do what you need.  
> 
> Also, I don't have experience using it with an external camera as some of 
> mentioned here, but the experience has been that there is a resolution limit 
> that will really help OCR.  I have heard a number somewhat lower than Josh 
> gave of 8MB, but his number is probably fine.  The point is that it is not 
> the case that the higher the resolution the better the results.  A point is 
> reached where there is more information provided than is useful.  
> 
> I hope this answers the question you were really trying to get at.  Sometimes 
> we go all around the answer and never hit it directly.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Steve Jacobson
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk 
> [mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
> Of Robert Ringwald via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 11:23 AM
> To: Talk 
> Cc: Robert Ringwald 
> Subject: Question About KNFB and camera.
> 
> I do not have a smart phone. In order to use the KNFB program to just read 
> PDF's on the computer, do I need a camera? Or can it be done internally 
> within the computer?
> 
> Windows 10.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Question About KNFB and camera.

[joseph hudson via Talk]

Hello, as I reported on another list, no I don't think so. It needs a camera to 
read files.
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> On Nov 28, 2017, at 9:33 PM, Robert Ringwald via Talk 
> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks David. Very interesting.
> 
> My one question is, if all I want to do with the KNFB program is decipher 
> scanned PDF files that are already in my WLM email, will the KNFB reader read 
> those internally with no camera or any other device needed?
> 
> I have Win 10 and WLM 12 on a del PC.
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: David via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 2:16 PM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Cc: David
> Subject: Re: Question About KNFB and camera.
> 
> PDF documents, or any other file formats on your computer, are
> electronically stored information.
> 
> 
> Cameras cannot read electronic documents. They are such constructed,
> they need to "see" things in real, before they can do anything.
> 
> 
> All electronic formats, be it music, video, documents or just any
> blah-blah-blah, will have to be processed internally in the computer.
> 
> 
> To best illustrate things, may I suggest you think of the camera as the
> "eye" of the computer. Let's at the same time, tell the scanner to be
> the other "eye" of the PC. The CPU, (or processor), the RAM and any
> other electronic inside your computer's physical box - well, let's name
> it the brain. Even so, the hard disk or SSD, which we will compare to
> your "deep memory".
> 
> 
> As you well know, your physical eyes cannot "look" inside the brain, and
> perform anything from within your body. Rather, the eyes can feed the
> brain with information, which your brain now can process.
> 
> 
> Back to your query. You will need a camera to feed any written or
> physically visible information into the computer. Whatever has already
> been fed into the computer, like an electronically stored document, will
> be non-interesting for the camera, scanner or any further feeding
> equipment. All processing of what you have in your brain, will be done
> by the brain directly. All information already stored on your computer,
> will be processed directly by the computer, and loaded software.
> 
> 
> I know, you wanted a quick answer to your question. I just thought it
> might be helpful for you and others, to have a clarified comprehension
> of why the answer is the way it stands.
> 
> 
> To jhust elaborate a tiny bit here, let me in very short terms tell you
> how any OCR software works.
> 
> First of all, it needs to retrieve some information. It will typically
> leave you the chance of defining whether it should grab some electronic
> document, or if it should contact an external piece of equipment - like
> a camera or a scanner. To the software, it basically does not matter
> whichever way you feed it with information.
> 
> 
> Next, it will start to process the information it has loaded into its
> memory. All such electronic information is made up of 0's and 1's, also
> known as pixels. And the software will compare the layout of these, with
> an internal dictionary. The dictionary will be like a tremendous
> collection of stencils. If the OCR finds that a set of dots (or pixels)
> in the received information matches any stencil in the dictionary, it
> will know what character this will represent. It now will "type" this
> character into a virtual document, thereby imitating you pressing a key
> on the keyboard.
> 
> 
> Finally, when it has finished the whole loaded information, it will
> present you with the virtually typed document.
> 
> 
> For your information, in old times, the stencil-lookup was pretty much a
> one-to-one comparison. That means, it would need a match that would be
> very close to the exact stenciled shape. If it was to recognize anything
> to be the letter O, it would need a set of pixels in a perfect circle.
> 
> 
> Modern OCR software has become far mor "inteligent", whatever we want to
> talk about inteligence when comes to silly electronic units like a
> computer. The inteligence is that the OCR no longer will depend on close
> to exact matches. To a very high degree, it might "look" at the
> properties of a scanned character, and base its recognition on the
> results thereof. For instance, it would conclude that a set of pixels
> that resemble two parallel vertical lines, slightly spaced from each
> other, with 

RE: Question About KNFB and camera.

[Steve Jacobson via Talk]

Robert,

KNFB reader would do that if it doesn't check for a camera when it starts.  
There is a KNFB Readers' list, I'll see if anybody knows on that list.

Best regards,

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Robert Ringwald via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 9:33 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Robert Ringwald <r...@ringwald.com>
Subject: Re: Question About KNFB and camera.

Thanks David. Very interesting.

My one question is, if all I want to do with the KNFB program is decipher 
scanned PDF files that are already in my WLM email, will the KNFB reader 
read those internally with no camera or any other device needed?

I have Win 10 and WLM 12 on a del PC.


-Original Message- 
From: David via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 2:16 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: David
Subject: Re: Question About KNFB and camera.

PDF documents, or any other file formats on your computer, are
electronically stored information.


Cameras cannot read electronic documents. They are such constructed,
they need to "see" things in real, before they can do anything.


All electronic formats, be it music, video, documents or just any
blah-blah-blah, will have to be processed internally in the computer.


To best illustrate things, may I suggest you think of the camera as the
"eye" of the computer. Let's at the same time, tell the scanner to be
the other "eye" of the PC. The CPU, (or processor), the RAM and any
other electronic inside your computer's physical box - well, let's name
it the brain. Even so, the hard disk or SSD, which we will compare to
your "deep memory".


As you well know, your physical eyes cannot "look" inside the brain, and
perform anything from within your body. Rather, the eyes can feed the
brain with information, which your brain now can process.


Back to your query. You will need a camera to feed any written or
physically visible information into the computer. Whatever has already
been fed into the computer, like an electronically stored document, will
be non-interesting for the camera, scanner or any further feeding
equipment. All processing of what you have in your brain, will be done
by the brain directly. All information already stored on your computer,
will be processed directly by the computer, and loaded software.


I know, you wanted a quick answer to your question. I just thought it
might be helpful for you and others, to have a clarified comprehension
of why the answer is the way it stands.


To jhust elaborate a tiny bit here, let me in very short terms tell you
how any OCR software works.

First of all, it needs to retrieve some information. It will typically
leave you the chance of defining whether it should grab some electronic
document, or if it should contact an external piece of equipment - like
a camera or a scanner. To the software, it basically does not matter
whichever way you feed it with information.


Next, it will start to process the information it has loaded into its
memory. All such electronic information is made up of 0's and 1's, also
known as pixels. And the software will compare the layout of these, with
an internal dictionary. The dictionary will be like a tremendous
collection of stencils. If the OCR finds that a set of dots (or pixels)
in the received information matches any stencil in the dictionary, it
will know what character this will represent. It now will "type" this
character into a virtual document, thereby imitating you pressing a key
on the keyboard.


Finally, when it has finished the whole loaded information, it will
present you with the virtually typed document.


For your information, in old times, the stencil-lookup was pretty much a
one-to-one comparison. That means, it would need a match that would be
very close to the exact stenciled shape. If it was to recognize anything
to be the letter O, it would need a set of pixels in a perfect circle.


Modern OCR software has become far mor "inteligent", whatever we want to
talk about inteligence when comes to silly electronic units like a
computer. The inteligence is that the OCR no longer will depend on close
to exact matches. To a very high degree, it might "look" at the
properties of a scanned character, and base its recognition on the
results thereof. For instance, it would conclude that a set of pixels
that resemble two parallel vertical lines, slightly spaced from each
other, with a horizontal line running just about mid-way up between the
verticals - all in all will be interpreted as the capitalized letter H.

Likewise, a vertical bar, with a tiny line pointing diagonally out from
the upper left end, will likely be told to be the number 1.


As you might understand, such propetary comparison will be more
forgiving, than if you were to compare exact matches. You 

RE: Question About KNFB and camera.

[Steve Jacobson via Talk]

Evelyn,

You are, of course, correct, and while I did not own one I did beta test
one.  That device even had a separate camera even though they were strapped
together so they could function like a single device.   Thank you for the
reminder.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

-Original Message-
From: evelyn weckerly [mailto:wecke...@i2k.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 7:27 PM
To: steve.jacob...@visi.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: Question About KNFB and camera.

Hi, Steve,

Just one little correction: The KNFBREADER Mobile started life on 
a PDA (personal digital assistant).  I know because I owned it.  
I also still have the smartphone version, which was the second 
generation of it.  I also have it on the Braille Note Touch-for 
free.

Regards,

Evelyn



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RE: Question About KNFB and camera.

[evelyn weckerly via Talk]

Hi, Steve,

Just one little correction: The KNFBREADER Mobile started life on 
a PDA (personal digital assistant).  I know because I owned it.  
I also still have the smartphone version, which was the second 
generation of it.  I also have it on the Braille Note Touch-for 
free.


Regards,

Evelyn

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RE: Question About KNFB and camera.

[Steve Jacobson via Talk]

Robert,

Maybe you already know this, but the strength of the KNFB reader is to take a 
picture of a document and turn it into text.  It was originally designed to be 
used on smart phones offering an extremely portable reading solution.  It is 
now available in Windows, but the idea was to be able to use the cameras that 
are built into many laptops and tablets to allow reading of text.  Although I 
have not used it this way, it can apparently perform Optical Character 
Recognition on PDF documents and other internal files which does not involve 
using a camera.  However, I do not know if the KNFB Reader checks for a camera 
or not.  It seems to me that back near the beginning of this thread, you asked 
about whether it can read PDF's.  Before you buy it to read PDF's that don't 
contain text, check out the option in JAWS to do that now.  If you are on JAWS 
18 or JAWS 2018, it is possible that you already have something that will do 
what you need.  

Also, I don't have experience using it with an external camera as some of 
mentioned here, but the experience has been that there is a resolution limit 
that will really help OCR.  I have heard a number somewhat lower than Josh gave 
of 8MB, but his number is probably fine.  The point is that it is not the case 
that the higher the resolution the better the results.  A point is reached 
where there is more information provided than is useful.  

I hope this answers the question you were really trying to get at.  Sometimes 
we go all around the answer and never hit it directly.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Robert Ringwald via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 11:23 AM
To: Talk 
Cc: Robert Ringwald 
Subject: Question About KNFB and camera.

I do not have a smart phone. In order to use the KNFB program to just read 
PDF's on the computer, do I need a camera? Or can it be done internally 
within the computer?

Windows 10.




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Re: Question About KNFB and camera.

[David via Talk]

PDF documents, or any other file formats on your computer, are 
electronically stored information.


Cameras cannot read electronic documents. They are such constructed, 
they need to "see" things in real, before they can do anything.


All electronic formats, be it music, video, documents or just any 
blah-blah-blah, will have to be processed internally in the computer.


To best illustrate things, may I suggest you think of the camera as the 
"eye" of the computer. Let's at the same time, tell the scanner to be 
the other "eye" of the PC. The CPU, (or processor), the RAM and any 
other electronic inside your computer's physical box - well, let's name 
it the brain. Even so, the hard disk or SSD, which we will compare to 
your "deep memory".


As you well know, your physical eyes cannot "look" inside the brain, and 
perform anything from within your body. Rather, the eyes can feed the 
brain with information, which your brain now can process.


Back to your query. You will need a camera to feed any written or 
physically visible information into the computer. Whatever has already 
been fed into the computer, like an electronically stored document, will 
be non-interesting for the camera, scanner or any further feeding 
equipment. All processing of what you have in your brain, will be done 
by the brain directly. All information already stored on your computer, 
will be processed directly by the computer, and loaded software.


I know, you wanted a quick answer to your question. I just thought it 
might be helpful for you and others, to have a clarified comprehension 
of why the answer is the way it stands.


To jhust elaborate a tiny bit here, let me in very short terms tell you 
how any OCR software works.

First of all, it needs to retrieve some information. It will typically 
leave you the chance of defining whether it should grab some electronic 
document, or if it should contact an external piece of equipment - like 
a camera or a scanner. To the software, it basically does not matter 
whichever way you feed it with information.


Next, it will start to process the information it has loaded into its 
memory. All such electronic information is made up of 0's and 1's, also 
known as pixels. And the software will compare the layout of these, with 
an internal dictionary. The dictionary will be like a tremendous 
collection of stencils. If the OCR finds that a set of dots (or pixels) 
in the received information matches any stencil in the dictionary, it 
will know what character this will represent. It now will "type" this 
character into a virtual document, thereby imitating you pressing a key 
on the keyboard.


Finally, when it has finished the whole loaded information, it will 
present you with the virtually typed document.


For your information, in old times, the stencil-lookup was pretty much a 
one-to-one comparison. That means, it would need a match that would be 
very close to the exact stenciled shape. If it was to recognize anything 
to be the letter O, it would need a set of pixels in a perfect circle.


Modern OCR software has become far mor "inteligent", whatever we want to 
talk about inteligence when comes to silly electronic units like a 
computer. The inteligence is that the OCR no longer will depend on close 
to exact matches. To a very high degree, it might "look" at the 
properties of a scanned character, and base its recognition on the 
results thereof. For instance, it would conclude that a set of pixels 
that resemble two parallel vertical lines, slightly spaced from each 
other, with a horizontal line running just about mid-way up between the 
verticals - all in all will be interpreted as the capitalized letter H.

Likewise, a vertical bar, with a tiny line pointing diagonally out from 
the upper left end, will likely be told to be the number 1.


As you might understand, such propetary comparison will be more 
forgiving, than if you were to compare exact matches. You no longer need 
to define how high the character can be, or what the width should be. 
The OCR can "see" this is the number 9, big or small print, simply by 
recognizing the shape and other properties of the character. This is one 
of the reasons, modern OCR can perform high degrees of faultless 
recognition. In the old days of the 80's, often a number 9, and the 
lower-case G, would be confusingly recognized as either, due to the fact 
that they quite much would resemble similar pixel-patterns.


to improve the OCR recognition, modern OCR software further will hold 
comprehensive dictionaries for spelling, in several languages. It is 
considered very little likely, that any word in English would be:

     log9ing,

so the OCR will recognize this as if it was a common typo, and replace 
the 9 with a g, making the word:

     logging,

which happens to be a validly spelled English word.


Since they now aday do propetary stencilized OCR, they also can perform 
recognition of hand-writing. At least, to a certain 

RE: Question About KNFB and camera.

[Josh Kennedy via Talk]

To read pdf’s you do not need a camera. 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Robert Ringwald via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 12:25
To: Talk
Cc: Robert Ringwald
Subject: Question About KNFB and camera. 

I do not have a smart phone. In order to use the KNFB program to just read 
PDF's on the computer, do I need a camera? Or can it be done internally 
within the computer?

Windows 10.




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916/ 806-9551
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RE: question about upgrading win ten.

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi David,

Can you please explain what you mean by the term refresh your PC?

Thanks,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of David Moore via Talk
Sent: November 17, 2017 5:25 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: David Moore <jesusloves1...@gmail.com>
Subject: RE: question about upgrading win ten.

I sure did do just that!
I have a 32 Gig SSD drive. I upgraded to 1709 with 8 Gig available on the 
drive. If you do not have that much room available, you can uninstall all 
programs you have installed, or do a refresh of your PC, which will reinstall 
Windows and get rid of all of the junk on the drive Make sure that you back up 
everything that you have saved on the drive, and save all installation files 
for your programs, so you can reinstall them after you upgrade to 1709.
David Moore
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: michael fridey via Talk
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 4:29 AM
To: window eyes help list
Cc: michael fridey
Subject: question about upgrading win ten.

Hi guys has anyone found if they do a up grade to the latest win 10 on a 
small 32 gig flash storage laptop.

This has hapened twice i get to where it says i need more storage.So i 
pick an external drive thats fine.Then when it down loads.

Then i click restart now then when laptop starts up i turn on naratter 
and get a message to insert external media click okay so the card is in 
and it will not go further.

So i cansil it after hours of getting to that point.

So not sure why it will not see my external drive after the reboot.

cheers Michael.

sent from mozilla thunderbird

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Re: question about upgrading win ten.

[michael fridey via Talk]

Hi David i did have 8 gig or almost that it gave me the option of using 
an external drive.

So i clicked my sd 60 gig sd flash card.
It excepted that after i clicked the re start now i waited then turned 
on naratter and found the option to insert my card witch it already was.

then click okay and nothing happen so i had to click cansil.
I wasted hours today.
So why will windows not see the drive after the first re start.
cheers Michael.
On 17/11/2017 9:24 PM, David Moore via Talk wrote:

I sure did do just that!
I have a 32 Gig SSD drive. I upgraded to 1709 with 8 Gig available on the 
drive. If you do not have that much room available, you can uninstall all 
programs you have installed, or do a refresh of your PC, which will reinstall 
Windows and get rid of all of the junk on the drive Make sure that you back up 
everything that you have saved on the drive, and save all installation files 
for your programs, so you can reinstall them after you upgrade to 1709.
David Moore
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: michael fridey via Talk
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 4:29 AM
To: window eyes help list
Cc: michael fridey
Subject: question about upgrading win ten.

Hi guys has anyone found if they do a up grade to the latest win 10 on a
small 32 gig flash storage laptop.

This has hapened twice i get to where it says i need more storage.So i
pick an external drive thats fine.Then when it down loads.

Then i click restart now then when laptop starts up i turn on naratter
and get a message to insert external media click okay so the card is in
and it will not go further.

So i cansil it after hours of getting to that point.

So not sure why it will not see my external drive after the reboot.

cheers Michael.

sent from mozilla thunderbird

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RE: question about upgrading win ten.

[David Moore via Talk]

I sure did do just that!
I have a 32 Gig SSD drive. I upgraded to 1709 with 8 Gig available on the 
drive. If you do not have that much room available, you can uninstall all 
programs you have installed, or do a refresh of your PC, which will reinstall 
Windows and get rid of all of the junk on the drive Make sure that you back up 
everything that you have saved on the drive, and save all installation files 
for your programs, so you can reinstall them after you upgrade to 1709.
David Moore
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: michael fridey via Talk
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 4:29 AM
To: window eyes help list
Cc: michael fridey
Subject: question about upgrading win ten.

Hi guys has anyone found if they do a up grade to the latest win 10 on a 
small 32 gig flash storage laptop.

This has hapened twice i get to where it says i need more storage.So i 
pick an external drive thats fine.Then when it down loads.

Then i click restart now then when laptop starts up i turn on naratter 
and get a message to insert external media click okay so the card is in 
and it will not go further.

So i cansil it after hours of getting to that point.

So not sure why it will not see my external drive after the reboot.

cheers Michael.

sent from mozilla thunderbird

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Re: Question About WLM

[Robert Ringwald via Talk]

It did not cure the problem.

-Bob


-Original Message- 
From: net bat via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 4:03 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: net bat
Subject: Re: Question About WLM

open the ribbon and find it.
it says grid drop down button then it will say application menu.
you press enter on it  then arrow down to options then  to mail then go to 
the

tab control to  send.

-Original Message- 
From: Robert Ringwald via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 3:11 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Robert Ringwald
Subject: Re: Question About WLM

Yes, I am using WLM 2012.

How do I find the applications menu?

-Bob.

-Original Message- 
From: net bat via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 9:42 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: net bat
Subject: Re: Question About WLM

are you useing wlm 2012?
its in the applications pull down
options, mail.
then go to the control tab to send
the option is in there.
there is another option there about plain text but i left this alone. grin.
i
don't want to mess mine up.

-Original Message- 
From: Robert Ringwald via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 9:24 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Robert Ringwald
Subject: Re: Question About WLM

You wrote:

try turning off the option to send your
message in the format it was sent in.
 maybe when you send a message it is useing html format instead of plain
text.

How do I do this?

-Bob


-Original Message- 
From: net bat via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 9:18 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: net bat
Subject: Re: Question About WLM

sometimes, like if you have firefox and wlm loaded at the same time w e will
lose focus and i have to open the wlm pull down menu and click on restore
and
speech will come back.
but most of the time i have to unload and reload w e and speech will come
back.
i also have to reload w e if i am composeing a message and press escape,
which
turns browse mode on. once i do this i get invalid key with every key i
press.
when it does this i have to reload w e to get it back.
***
this may not make any difference. but try turning off the option to send
your
message in the format it was sent in.
maybe when you send a message it is useing html format instead of plain
text.
***
make sure the message window is maximized.
sometimes this helps.


-Original Message- 
From: Robert Ringwald via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 8:37 AM
To: Talk
Cc: Robert Ringwald
Subject: Question About WLM

Windows 10

Window-Eyes 9.4.5

WLM



This started a couple months ago.



When I use the N command to open and write an email, I can’t read what I am
writing. I can read the address and subject, but not the text.



I have to write it in Word and then paste it into the out-going email.



I can read incoming emails no sweat.



I used to be able to read while writing an email, but not now.



Any suggestions?





Bob Ringwald piano, Solo, Duo, Trio, Quartet, Quintet
Fulton Street Jazz Band (Dixieland/Swing)
916/ 806-9551
Amateur (ham) Radio Station K6YBV

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Re: Question About WLM

[net bat via Talk]

open the ribbon and find it.
it says grid drop down button then it will say application menu.
you press enter on it  then arrow down to options then  to mail then go to the 
tab control to  send.


-Original Message- 
From: Robert Ringwald via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 3:11 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Robert Ringwald
Subject: Re: Question About WLM

Yes, I am using WLM 2012.

How do I find the applications menu?

-Bob.

-Original Message- 
From: net bat via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 9:42 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: net bat
Subject: Re: Question About WLM

are you useing wlm 2012?
its in the applications pull down
options, mail.
then go to the control tab to send
the option is in there.
there is another option there about plain text but i left this alone. grin.
i
don't want to mess mine up.

-Original Message- 
From: Robert Ringwald via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 9:24 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Robert Ringwald
Subject: Re: Question About WLM

You wrote:

try turning off the option to send your
message in the format it was sent in.
 maybe when you send a message it is useing html format instead of plain
text.

How do I do this?

-Bob


-Original Message- 
From: net bat via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 9:18 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: net bat
Subject: Re: Question About WLM

sometimes, like if you have firefox and wlm loaded at the same time w e will
lose focus and i have to open the wlm pull down menu and click on restore
and
speech will come back.
but most of the time i have to unload and reload w e and speech will come
back.
i also have to reload w e if i am composeing a message and press escape,
which
turns browse mode on. once i do this i get invalid key with every key i
press.
when it does this i have to reload w e to get it back.
***
this may not make any difference. but try turning off the option to send
your
message in the format it was sent in.
maybe when you send a message it is useing html format instead of plain
text.
***
make sure the message window is maximized.
sometimes this helps.


-Original Message- 
From: Robert Ringwald via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 8:37 AM
To: Talk
Cc: Robert Ringwald
Subject: Question About WLM

Windows 10

Window-Eyes 9.4.5

WLM



This started a couple months ago.



When I use the N command to open and write an email, I can’t read what I am
writing. I can read the address and subject, but not the text.



I have to write it in Word and then paste it into the out-going email.



I can read incoming emails no sweat.



I used to be able to read while writing an email, but not now.



Any suggestions?





Bob Ringwald piano, Solo, Duo, Trio, Quartet, Quintet
Fulton Street Jazz Band (Dixieland/Swing)
916/ 806-9551
Amateur (ham) Radio Station K6YBV

“If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed,
if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed.” -- Mark Twain




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Re: Question About WLM

[Robert Ringwald via Talk]

Yes, I am using WLM 2012.

How do I find the applications menu?

-Bob.

-Original Message- 
From: net bat via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 9:42 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: net bat
Subject: Re: Question About WLM

are you useing wlm 2012?
its in the applications pull down
options, mail.
then go to the control tab to send
the option is in there.
there is another option there about plain text but i left this alone. grin. 
i

don't want to mess mine up.

-Original Message- 
From: Robert Ringwald via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 9:24 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Robert Ringwald
Subject: Re: Question About WLM

You wrote:

try turning off the option to send your
message in the format it was sent in.
 maybe when you send a message it is useing html format instead of plain
text.

How do I do this?

-Bob


-Original Message- 
From: net bat via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 9:18 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: net bat
Subject: Re: Question About WLM

sometimes, like if you have firefox and wlm loaded at the same time w e will
lose focus and i have to open the wlm pull down menu and click on restore
and
speech will come back.
but most of the time i have to unload and reload w e and speech will come
back.
i also have to reload w e if i am composeing a message and press escape,
which
turns browse mode on. once i do this i get invalid key with every key i
press.
when it does this i have to reload w e to get it back.
***
this may not make any difference. but try turning off the option to send
your
message in the format it was sent in.
maybe when you send a message it is useing html format instead of plain
text.
***
make sure the message window is maximized.
sometimes this helps.


-Original Message- 
From: Robert Ringwald via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 8:37 AM
To: Talk
Cc: Robert Ringwald
Subject: Question About WLM

Windows 10

Window-Eyes 9.4.5

WLM



This started a couple months ago.



When I use the N command to open and write an email, I can’t read what I am
writing. I can read the address and subject, but not the text.



I have to write it in Word and then paste it into the out-going email.



I can read incoming emails no sweat.



I used to be able to read while writing an email, but not now.



Any suggestions?





Bob Ringwald piano, Solo, Duo, Trio, Quartet, Quintet
Fulton Street Jazz Band (Dixieland/Swing)
916/ 806-9551
Amateur (ham) Radio Station K6YBV

“If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed,
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Re: Question About WLM

[net bat via Talk]

are you useing wlm 2012?
its in the applications pull down
options, mail.
then go to the control tab to send
the option is in there.
there is another option there about plain text but i left this alone. grin. i 
don't want to mess mine up.


-Original Message- 
From: Robert Ringwald via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 9:24 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Robert Ringwald
Subject: Re: Question About WLM

You wrote:

try turning off the option to send your
message in the format it was sent in.
 maybe when you send a message it is useing html format instead of plain
text.

How do I do this?

-Bob


-Original Message- 
From: net bat via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 9:18 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: net bat
Subject: Re: Question About WLM

sometimes, like if you have firefox and wlm loaded at the same time w e will
lose focus and i have to open the wlm pull down menu and click on restore
and
speech will come back.
but most of the time i have to unload and reload w e and speech will come
back.
i also have to reload w e if i am composeing a message and press escape,
which
turns browse mode on. once i do this i get invalid key with every key i
press.
when it does this i have to reload w e to get it back.
***
this may not make any difference. but try turning off the option to send
your
message in the format it was sent in.
maybe when you send a message it is useing html format instead of plain
text.
***
make sure the message window is maximized.
sometimes this helps.


-Original Message- 
From: Robert Ringwald via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 8:37 AM
To: Talk
Cc: Robert Ringwald
Subject: Question About WLM

Windows 10

Window-Eyes 9.4.5

WLM



This started a couple months ago.



When I use the N command to open and write an email, I can’t read what I am
writing. I can read the address and subject, but not the text.



I have to write it in Word and then paste it into the out-going email.



I can read incoming emails no sweat.



I used to be able to read while writing an email, but not now.



Any suggestions?





Bob Ringwald piano, Solo, Duo, Trio, Quartet, Quintet
Fulton Street Jazz Band (Dixieland/Swing)
916/ 806-9551
Amateur (ham) Radio Station K6YBV

“If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed,
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Re: Question About WLM

[Robert Ringwald via Talk]

You wrote:

try turning off the option to send your
message in the format it was sent in.
 maybe when you send a message it is useing html format instead of plain 
text.


How do I do this?

-Bob


-Original Message- 
From: net bat via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 9:18 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: net bat
Subject: Re: Question About WLM

sometimes, like if you have firefox and wlm loaded at the same time w e will
lose focus and i have to open the wlm pull down menu and click on restore 
and

speech will come back.
but most of the time i have to unload and reload w e and speech will come 
back.
i also have to reload w e if i am composeing a message and press escape, 
which
turns browse mode on. once i do this i get invalid key with every key i 
press.

when it does this i have to reload w e to get it back.
***
this may not make any difference. but try turning off the option to send 
your

message in the format it was sent in.
maybe when you send a message it is useing html format instead of plain 
text.

***
make sure the message window is maximized.
sometimes this helps.


-Original Message- 
From: Robert Ringwald via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 8:37 AM
To: Talk
Cc: Robert Ringwald
Subject: Question About WLM

Windows 10

Window-Eyes 9.4.5

WLM



This started a couple months ago.



When I use the N command to open and write an email, I can’t read what I am
writing. I can read the address and subject, but not the text.



I have to write it in Word and then paste it into the out-going email.



I can read incoming emails no sweat.



I used to be able to read while writing an email, but not now.



Any suggestions?





Bob Ringwald piano, Solo, Duo, Trio, Quartet, Quintet
Fulton Street Jazz Band (Dixieland/Swing)
916/ 806-9551
Amateur (ham) Radio Station K6YBV

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Re: Question About WLM

[net bat via Talk]

sometimes, like if you have firefox and wlm loaded at the same time w e will 
lose focus and i have to open the wlm pull down menu and click on restore and 
speech will come back.

but most of the time i have to unload and reload w e and speech will come back.
i also have to reload w e if i am composeing a message and press escape, which 
turns browse mode on. once i do this i get invalid key with every key i press. 
when it does this i have to reload w e to get it back.

***
this may not make any difference. but try turning off the option to send your 
message in the format it was sent in.

maybe when you send a message it is useing html format instead of plain text.
***
make sure the message window is maximized.
sometimes this helps.


-Original Message- 
From: Robert Ringwald via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 8:37 AM
To: Talk
Cc: Robert Ringwald
Subject: Question About WLM

Windows 10

Window-Eyes 9.4.5

WLM



This started a couple months ago.



When I use the N command to open and write an email, I can’t read what I am 
writing. I can read the address and subject, but not the text.




I have to write it in Word and then paste it into the out-going email.



I can read incoming emails no sweat.



I used to be able to read while writing an email, but not now.



Any suggestions?





Bob Ringwald piano, Solo, Duo, Trio, Quartet, Quintet
Fulton Street Jazz Band (Dixieland/Swing)
916/ 806-9551
Amateur (ham) Radio Station K6YBV

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Re: question

[Loy Green via Talk]

This is the origional list, it changed name after the sell out.
- Original Message - 
From: "Bernie Perella via Talk" 
To: "Window-Eyes Discussion List" ; "Window-Eyes 
Discussion List" 

Cc: "Bernie Perella" 
Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2017 10:32 AM
Subject: question



Hi, Is the original GW window-eyes list still active? I am no longer
receiving messages from it. thanks, B

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RE: question about re installing wineyes

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

No.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Iaen Cordell via Talk
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 9:03 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Iaen Cordell
Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes

Thanks, it is not a true implamentation of the RDP remote desktop protocol
then?


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+ianc=optusnet.com...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 1:45 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Sky Mundell <s...@shaw.ca>
Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes

It's similar to the remote assistants in Window-Eyes, and the JAWS tandem in
JAWS.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Josh Kennedy via Talk
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 8:20 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Josh Kennedy
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

yes, NVDA remote is a remote support addon and it works very good.



On 9/11/2017 10:52 AM, Iaen Cordell via Talk wrote:
> What about NVDA remote?
>  From a bad memory I thought it was a remote desktop support add-on 
> for
NVDA.
> Cheers
> IC
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+ianc=optusnet.com...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of Josh Kennedy via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 12:43 AM
> To: Russ Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> Cc: Josh Kennedy <joshuakennedy...@comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes
>
> there was a ticket raised about it but so far nobody has made such addons.
>
>
>
> On 9/11/2017 9:17 AM, Russ Kiehne wrote:
>> It's my understanding there is a NVDA list?  Has anyone on that list 
>> ask about a addon to give NVDA citrix and network installation server 
>> client support?
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Josh Kennedy via Talk
>> Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 10:10 AM
>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Cc: Josh Kennedy
>> Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes
>>
>> NVDA just needs network and citrix support and it will be able to 
>> really hurt the sales of jaws. It would be great if someone would 
>> make an NVDA addon to give NVDA citrix and network installation 
>> server
client support.
>>
>>
>> On 9/10/2017 9:29 AM, Loy via Talk wrote:
>>> It would hurt the sales of JAWS.
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: Russ Kiehne via Talk
>>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>> Cc: Russ Kiehne
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 9:23 AM
>>> Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes
>>>
>>>
>>> Why doesn't the vfo group put out a working copy of window eyes 
>>> in the
>>> public domain?  This is what Freedom Scientific did with jaws 
>>> for dos.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Rod Hutton via Talk
>>> Sent: Saturday, September 9, 2017 11:33 AM
>>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>> Cc: Rod Hutton
>>> Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes
>>>
>>> Thanks, Carol.
>>>
>>> That's what I assume, and so why I'm counselling caution about 
>>> distributing
>>> Window-Eyes even though VFO claims that it will no longer be 
>>> developed.
>>> Besides, being their product, they can do whatever they want with
>>> Window-Eyes in the future, even resurrect it, should they choose 
>>> to do so.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Rod
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Talk
>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
>>> On Behalf
>>> Of Carol and Roger via Talk
>>> Sent: September 9, 2017 2:13 PM
>>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
>>> Cc: Carol and Roger <carogsm...@embarqmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes
>>>
>>> Hi Rod,
>>>
>>> Yes, you are correct.  Even if the company is gone, the 
>>> copywright is
>>> still there.  It is the same as a person writing a book.  The 
>>> book can
>>> be copywrighted for as long as someone wishes to keep it going.
>>> So, AI
>>> may have forwarded the copywright which

RE: question about re installing wineyes

[Iaen Cordell via Talk]

Thanks, it is not a true implamentation of the RDP remote desktop protocol
then?


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+ianc=optusnet.com...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 1:45 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Sky Mundell <s...@shaw.ca>
Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes

It's similar to the remote assistants in Window-Eyes, and the JAWS tandem in
JAWS.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Josh Kennedy via Talk
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 8:20 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Josh Kennedy
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

yes, NVDA remote is a remote support addon and it works very good.



On 9/11/2017 10:52 AM, Iaen Cordell via Talk wrote:
> What about NVDA remote?
>  From a bad memory I thought it was a remote desktop support add-on 
> for
NVDA.
> Cheers
> IC
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+ianc=optusnet.com...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of Josh Kennedy via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 12:43 AM
> To: Russ Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> Cc: Josh Kennedy <joshuakennedy...@comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes
>
> there was a ticket raised about it but so far nobody has made such addons.
>
>
>
> On 9/11/2017 9:17 AM, Russ Kiehne wrote:
>> It's my understanding there is a NVDA list?  Has anyone on that list 
>> ask about a addon to give NVDA citrix and network installation server 
>> client support?
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Josh Kennedy via Talk
>> Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 10:10 AM
>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Cc: Josh Kennedy
>> Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes
>>
>> NVDA just needs network and citrix support and it will be able to 
>> really hurt the sales of jaws. It would be great if someone would 
>> make an NVDA addon to give NVDA citrix and network installation 
>> server
client support.
>>
>>
>> On 9/10/2017 9:29 AM, Loy via Talk wrote:
>>> It would hurt the sales of JAWS.
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: Russ Kiehne via Talk
>>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>> Cc: Russ Kiehne
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 9:23 AM
>>> Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes
>>>
>>>
>>> Why doesn't the vfo group put out a working copy of window eyes 
>>> in the
>>> public domain?  This is what Freedom Scientific did with jaws 
>>> for dos.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Rod Hutton via Talk
>>> Sent: Saturday, September 9, 2017 11:33 AM
>>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>> Cc: Rod Hutton
>>> Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes
>>>
>>> Thanks, Carol.
>>>
>>> That's what I assume, and so why I'm counselling caution about 
>>> distributing
>>> Window-Eyes even though VFO claims that it will no longer be 
>>> developed.
>>> Besides, being their product, they can do whatever they want with
>>> Window-Eyes in the future, even resurrect it, should they choose 
>>> to do so.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Rod
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Talk
>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
>>> On Behalf
>>> Of Carol and Roger via Talk
>>> Sent: September 9, 2017 2:13 PM
>>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
>>> Cc: Carol and Roger <carogsm...@embarqmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes
>>>
>>> Hi Rod,
>>>
>>> Yes, you are correct.  Even if the company is gone, the 
>>> copywright is
>>> still there.  It is the same as a person writing a book.  The 
>>> book can
>>> be copywrighted for as long as someone wishes to keep it going.
>>> So, AI
>>> may have forwarded the copywright which would now fall on VFO to
>>> continue to maintain that, even though the product is no longer 
>>> being
>>> distributed.
>>>
>>> Carol
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/9/2017 12:47 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk

RE: question about re installing wineyes

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

It's similar to the remote assistants in Window-Eyes, and the JAWS tandem in
JAWS.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Josh Kennedy via Talk
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 8:20 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Josh Kennedy
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

yes, NVDA remote is a remote support addon and it works very good.



On 9/11/2017 10:52 AM, Iaen Cordell via Talk wrote:
> What about NVDA remote?
>  From a bad memory I thought it was a remote desktop support add-on for
NVDA.
> Cheers
> IC
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk 
> [mailto:talk-bounces+ianc=optusnet.com...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of Josh Kennedy via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 12:43 AM
> To: Russ Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> Cc: Josh Kennedy <joshuakennedy...@comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes
>
> there was a ticket raised about it but so far nobody has made such addons.
>
>
>
> On 9/11/2017 9:17 AM, Russ Kiehne wrote:
>> It's my understanding there is a NVDA list?  Has anyone on that list 
>> ask about a addon to give NVDA citrix and network installation server 
>> client support?
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Josh Kennedy via Talk
>> Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 10:10 AM
>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Cc: Josh Kennedy
>> Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes
>>
>> NVDA just needs network and citrix support and it will be able to 
>> really hurt the sales of jaws. It would be great if someone would 
>> make an NVDA addon to give NVDA citrix and network installation server
client support.
>>
>>
>> On 9/10/2017 9:29 AM, Loy via Talk wrote:
>>> It would hurt the sales of JAWS.
>>> ----- Original Message -
>>> From: Russ Kiehne via Talk
>>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>> Cc: Russ Kiehne
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 9:23 AM
>>> Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes
>>>
>>>
>>> Why doesn't the vfo group put out a working copy of window eyes 
>>> in the
>>>     public domain?  This is what Freedom Scientific did with jaws 
>>> for dos.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Rod Hutton via Talk
>>> Sent: Saturday, September 9, 2017 11:33 AM
>>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>> Cc: Rod Hutton
>>> Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes
>>>
>>> Thanks, Carol.
>>>
>>> That's what I assume, and so why I'm counselling caution about 
>>> distributing
>>> Window-Eyes even though VFO claims that it will no longer be 
>>> developed.
>>> Besides, being their product, they can do whatever they want with
>>> Window-Eyes in the future, even resurrect it, should they choose 
>>> to do so.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Rod
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Talk
>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
>>> On Behalf
>>> Of Carol and Roger via Talk
>>> Sent: September 9, 2017 2:13 PM
>>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
>>> Cc: Carol and Roger <carogsm...@embarqmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes
>>>
>>> Hi Rod,
>>>
>>> Yes, you are correct.  Even if the company is gone, the 
>>> copywright is
>>> still there.  It is the same as a person writing a book.  The 
>>> book can
>>> be copywrighted for as long as someone wishes to keep it going.
>>> So, AI
>>> may have forwarded the copywright which would now fall on VFO to
>>> continue to maintain that, even though the product is no longer 
>>> being
>>> distributed.
>>>
>>> Carol
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/9/2017 12:47 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
>>> > Hi Russ and all,
>>> >
>>> > As memory serves, you do have to enter the correct name when 
>>> you install
>>> > Window-Eyes.
>>> > Regardless whether I'm right about that point, as much as this 
>>> thread
>>> > seems to entertain the idea of sharing retail copies of 
>>> Window-Eyes, I
>&

Re: question about re installing wineyes

[Josh Kennedy via Talk]

yes, NVDA remote is a remote support addon and it works very good.



On 9/11/2017 10:52 AM, Iaen Cordell via Talk wrote:

What about NVDA remote?
 From a bad memory I thought it was a remote desktop support add-on for NVDA.
Cheers
IC

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+ianc=optusnet.com...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Josh Kennedy via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 12:43 AM
To: Russ Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Josh Kennedy <joshuakennedy...@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

there was a ticket raised about it but so far nobody has made such addons.



On 9/11/2017 9:17 AM, Russ Kiehne wrote:

It's my understanding there is a NVDA list?  Has anyone on that list
ask about a addon to give NVDA citrix and network installation server
client support?

-Original Message- From: Josh Kennedy via Talk
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 10:10 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Josh Kennedy
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

NVDA just needs network and citrix support and it will be able to
really hurt the sales of jaws. It would be great if someone would make
an NVDA addon to give NVDA citrix and network installation server client 
support.


On 9/10/2017 9:29 AM, Loy via Talk wrote:

It would hurt the sales of JAWS.
- Original Message -
From: Russ Kiehne via Talk
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Russ Kiehne
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 9:23 AM
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes


Why doesn't the vfo group put out a working copy of window eyes in
the
public domain?  This is what Freedom Scientific did with jaws for
dos.

-Original Message-
From: Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Saturday, September 9, 2017 11:33 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes

Thanks, Carol.

That's what I assume, and so why I'm counselling caution about
distributing
Window-Eyes even though VFO claims that it will no longer be
developed.
Besides, being their product, they can do whatever they want with
Window-Eyes in the future, even resurrect it, should they choose
to do so.

Best,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf
Of Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: September 9, 2017 2:13 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Carol and Roger <carogsm...@embarqmail.com>
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

Hi Rod,

Yes, you are correct.  Even if the company is gone, the copywright
is
still there.  It is the same as a person writing a book.  The book
can
be copywrighted for as long as someone wishes to keep it going.
So, AI
may have forwarded the copywright which would now fall on VFO to
continue to maintain that, even though the product is no longer
being
distributed.

Carol


On 9/9/2017 12:47 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
> Hi Russ and all,
>
> As memory serves, you do have to enter the correct name when you
install
> Window-Eyes.
> Regardless whether I'm right about that point, as much as this
thread
> seems to entertain the idea of sharing retail copies of
Window-Eyes, I
> think you'll run into copyright infringement if you do this.
>
> Hth,
>
> Rod
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
>
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
> Sent: September 9, 2017 9:23 AM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> Cc: Russ Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes
>
> It's my understanding it doesn't matter what name you put in,
it's the
> serial number that matters.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Carol and Roger via Talk
> Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 10:38 AM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Cc: Carol and Roger
> Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes
>
> Only sort of.  The serial number is assigned to a specific
person, so
> the name and any other information that is asked for during
installation
> would need to be the same for both people. So, if you gave me
your copy
> and did not tell me your information, your copy, on my PC would
still be
> a demo copy.
>
>
> On 9/8/2017 12:44 PM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:
>> If I sent someone a copy of my last installation copy, that
person would
>> still need an activation code or it would go into demo mode.
Isn't 

RE: question about re installing wineyes

[Iaen Cordell via Talk]

What about NVDA remote?
>From a bad memory I thought it was a remote desktop support add-on for NVDA.
Cheers
IC

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+ianc=optusnet.com...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Josh Kennedy via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 12:43 AM
To: Russ Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Josh Kennedy <joshuakennedy...@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

there was a ticket raised about it but so far nobody has made such addons.



On 9/11/2017 9:17 AM, Russ Kiehne wrote:
> It's my understanding there is a NVDA list?  Has anyone on that list 
> ask about a addon to give NVDA citrix and network installation server 
> client support?
>
> -Original Message- From: Josh Kennedy via Talk
> Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 10:10 AM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Cc: Josh Kennedy
> Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes
>
> NVDA just needs network and citrix support and it will be able to 
> really hurt the sales of jaws. It would be great if someone would make 
> an NVDA addon to give NVDA citrix and network installation server client 
> support.
>
>
> On 9/10/2017 9:29 AM, Loy via Talk wrote:
>> It would hurt the sales of JAWS.
>>- Original Message -
>>From: Russ Kiehne via Talk
>>To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>Cc: Russ Kiehne
>>Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 9:23 AM
>>Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes
>>
>>
>>Why doesn't the vfo group put out a working copy of window eyes in 
>> the
>>public domain?  This is what Freedom Scientific did with jaws for 
>> dos.
>>
>>-Original Message-----
>>From: Rod Hutton via Talk
>>Sent: Saturday, September 9, 2017 11:33 AM
>>To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>Cc: Rod Hutton
>>Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes
>>
>>Thanks, Carol.
>>
>>That's what I assume, and so why I'm counselling caution about 
>> distributing
>>Window-Eyes even though VFO claims that it will no longer be 
>> developed.
>>Besides, being their product, they can do whatever they want with
>>Window-Eyes in the future, even resurrect it, should they choose 
>> to do so.
>>
>>Best,
>>
>>Rod
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: Talk
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
>> Behalf
>>Of Carol and Roger via Talk
>>Sent: September 9, 2017 2:13 PM
>>To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
>>Cc: Carol and Roger <carogsm...@embarqmail.com>
>>Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes
>>
>>Hi Rod,
>>
>>Yes, you are correct.  Even if the company is gone, the copywright 
>> is
>>still there.  It is the same as a person writing a book.  The book 
>> can
>>be copywrighted for as long as someone wishes to keep it going. 
>> So, AI
>>may have forwarded the copywright which would now fall on VFO to
>>continue to maintain that, even though the product is no longer 
>> being
>>distributed.
>>
>>Carol
>>
>>
>>On 9/9/2017 12:47 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
>>> Hi Russ and all,
>>>
>>> As memory serves, you do have to enter the correct name when you 
>> install
>>> Window-Eyes.
>>> Regardless whether I'm right about that point, as much as this 
>> thread
>>> seems to entertain the idea of sharing retail copies of 
>> Window-Eyes, I
>>> think you'll run into copyright infringement if you do this.
>>>
>>> Hth,
>>>
>>> Rod
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Talk
>>>
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
>>> Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
>>> Sent: September 9, 2017 9:23 AM
>>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
>>> Cc: Russ Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes
>>>
>>> It's my understanding it doesn't matter what name you put in, 
>> it's the
>>> serial number that matters.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Carol and Roger via Talk
>>> Sent: Friday, Septemb

Re: question about re installing wineyes

[Josh Kennedy via Talk]

there was a ticket raised about it but so far nobody has made such addons.



On 9/11/2017 9:17 AM, Russ Kiehne wrote:
It's my understanding there is a NVDA list?  Has anyone on that list 
ask about a addon to give NVDA citrix and network installation server 
client support?


-Original Message- From: Josh Kennedy via Talk
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 10:10 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Josh Kennedy
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

NVDA just needs network and citrix support and it will be able to really
hurt the sales of jaws. It would be great if someone would make an NVDA
addon to give NVDA citrix and network installation server client support.


On 9/10/2017 9:29 AM, Loy via Talk wrote:

It would hurt the sales of JAWS.
   - Original Message -
   From: Russ Kiehne via Talk
   To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
   Cc: Russ Kiehne
   Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 9:23 AM
   Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes


   Why doesn't the vfo group put out a working copy of window eyes in 
the
   public domain?  This is what Freedom Scientific did with jaws for 
dos.


   -Original Message-
   From: Rod Hutton via Talk
   Sent: Saturday, September 9, 2017 11:33 AM
   To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
   Cc: Rod Hutton
   Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes

   Thanks, Carol.

   That's what I assume, and so why I'm counselling caution about 
distributing
   Window-Eyes even though VFO claims that it will no longer be 
developed.

   Besides, being their product, they can do whatever they want with
   Window-Eyes in the future, even resurrect it, should they choose 
to do so.


   Best,

   Rod

   -Original Message-
   From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf

   Of Carol and Roger via Talk
   Sent: September 9, 2017 2:13 PM
   To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
   Cc: Carol and Roger <carogsm...@embarqmail.com>
   Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

   Hi Rod,

   Yes, you are correct.  Even if the company is gone, the copywright is
   still there.  It is the same as a person writing a book.  The book 
can
   be copywrighted for as long as someone wishes to keep it going.  
So, AI

   may have forwarded the copywright which would now fall on VFO to
   continue to maintain that, even though the product is no longer being
   distributed.

   Carol


   On 9/9/2017 12:47 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
   > Hi Russ and all,
   >
   > As memory serves, you do have to enter the correct name when you 
install

   > Window-Eyes.
   > Regardless whether I'm right about that point, as much as this 
thread
   > seems to entertain the idea of sharing retail copies of 
Window-Eyes, I

   > think you'll run into copyright infringement if you do this.
   >
   > Hth,
   >
   > Rod
   >
   > -Original Message-
   > From: Talk
   > 
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On

   > Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
   > Sent: September 9, 2017 9:23 AM
   > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
   > Cc: Russ Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com>
   > Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes
   >
   > It's my understanding it doesn't matter what name you put in, 
it's the

   > serial number that matters.
   >
   > -Original Message-
   > From: Carol and Roger via Talk
   > Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 10:38 AM
   > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
   > Cc: Carol and Roger
   > Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes
   >
   > Only sort of.  The serial number is assigned to a specific 
person, so
   > the name and any other information that is asked for during 
installation
   > would need to be the same for both people. So, if you gave me 
your copy
   > and did not tell me your information, your copy, on my PC would 
still be

   > a demo copy.
   >
   >
   > On 9/8/2017 12:44 PM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:
   >> If I sent someone a copy of my last installation copy, that 
person would
   >> still need an activation code or it would go into demo mode. 
Isn't this

   >> correct?
   >>
   >> On 9/8/2017 8:57 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk]
   >>
   >>   wrote:
   >>> Hi Loy,
   >>>
   >>> Sorry, I wasn't clear.  I was referring to why you thought it 
would be
   >>> okay for someone to use someone else's copy of WE simply 
because it was

   >>> no longer being developed.
   >>> I would think it is still the property of VFO, and, therefore,
   >>> infringement of copyright to let someone else use it.
   >>>
   >>> Thanks,
   >>>
   >>> Rod
   >>>
   >>> -Original Message-
   >&g

Re: question about re installing wineyes

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

I just wished that NVDA would support indexing when using the tripletalk 
with it.


-Original Message- 
From: Sky Mundell via Talk

Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 10:34 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Sky Mundell
Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes

I can assure you that that is on the list of things for NVAccess.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Josh Kennedy via Talk
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 10:11 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Josh Kennedy
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

NVDA just needs network and citrix support and it will be able to really
hurt the sales of jaws. It would be great if someone would make an NVDA
addon to give NVDA citrix and network installation server client support.


On 9/10/2017 9:29 AM, Loy via Talk wrote:

It would hurt the sales of JAWS.
   - Original Message -
   From: Russ Kiehne via Talk
   To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
   Cc: Russ Kiehne
   Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 9:23 AM
   Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes


   Why doesn't the vfo group put out a working copy of window eyes in the
   public domain?  This is what Freedom Scientific did with jaws for dos.

   -Original Message-
   From: Rod Hutton via Talk
   Sent: Saturday, September 9, 2017 11:33 AM
   To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
   Cc: Rod Hutton
   Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes

   Thanks, Carol.

   That's what I assume, and so why I'm counselling caution about

distributing

   Window-Eyes even though VFO claims that it will no longer be developed.
   Besides, being their product, they can do whatever they want with
   Window-Eyes in the future, even resurrect it, should they choose to do

so.


   Best,

   Rod

   -Original Message-
   From: Talk
   [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On

Behalf

   Of Carol and Roger via Talk
   Sent: September 9, 2017 2:13 PM
   To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
   Cc: Carol and Roger <carogsm...@embarqmail.com>
   Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

   Hi Rod,

   Yes, you are correct.  Even if the company is gone, the copywright is
   still there.  It is the same as a person writing a book.  The book can
   be copywrighted for as long as someone wishes to keep it going.  So, AI
   may have forwarded the copywright which would now fall on VFO to
   continue to maintain that, even though the product is no longer being
   distributed.

   Carol


   On 9/9/2017 12:47 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
   > Hi Russ and all,
   >
   > As memory serves, you do have to enter the correct name when you

install

   > Window-Eyes.
   > Regardless whether I'm right about that point, as much as this thread
   > seems to entertain the idea of sharing retail copies of Window-Eyes,

I

   > think you'll run into copyright infringement if you do this.
   >
   > Hth,
   >
   > Rod
   >
   > -Original Message-
   > From: Talk
   > [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
   > Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
   > Sent: September 9, 2017 9:23 AM
   > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
   > Cc: Russ Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com>
   > Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes
   >
   > It's my understanding it doesn't matter what name you put in, it's

the

   > serial number that matters.
   >
   > -Original Message-
   > From: Carol and Roger via Talk
   > Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 10:38 AM
   > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
   > Cc: Carol and Roger
   > Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes
   >
   > Only sort of.  The serial number is assigned to a specific person, so
   > the name and any other information that is asked for during

installation

   > would need to be the same for both people. So, if you gave me your

copy

   > and did not tell me your information, your copy, on my PC would still

be

   > a demo copy.
   >
   >
   > On 9/8/2017 12:44 PM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:
   >> If I sent someone a copy of my last installation copy, that person

would

   >> still need an activation code or it would go into demo mode. Isn't

this

   >> correct?
   >>
   >> On 9/8/2017 8:57 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk]
   >>
   >>   wrote:
   >>> Hi Loy,
   >>>
   >>> Sorry, I wasn't clear.  I was referring to why you thought it would

be

   >>> okay for someone to use someone else's copy of WE simply because it

was

   >>> no longer being developed.
   >>> I would think it is still the property of VFO, and, therefore,
   >>> infringement of copyright to let someone else use it.
 

Re: question about re installing wineyes

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

It's my understanding there is a NVDA list?  Has anyone on that list ask 
about a addon to give NVDA citrix and network installation server client 
support?


-Original Message- 
From: Josh Kennedy via Talk

Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 10:10 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Josh Kennedy
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

NVDA just needs network and citrix support and it will be able to really
hurt the sales of jaws. It would be great if someone would make an NVDA
addon to give NVDA citrix and network installation server client support.


On 9/10/2017 9:29 AM, Loy via Talk wrote:

It would hurt the sales of JAWS.
   - Original Message -
   From: Russ Kiehne via Talk
   To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
   Cc: Russ Kiehne
   Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 9:23 AM
   Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes


   Why doesn't the vfo group put out a working copy of window eyes in the
   public domain?  This is what Freedom Scientific did with jaws for dos.

   -Original Message-
   From: Rod Hutton via Talk
   Sent: Saturday, September 9, 2017 11:33 AM
   To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
   Cc: Rod Hutton
   Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes

   Thanks, Carol.

   That's what I assume, and so why I'm counselling caution about 
distributing

   Window-Eyes even though VFO claims that it will no longer be developed.
   Besides, being their product, they can do whatever they want with
   Window-Eyes in the future, even resurrect it, should they choose to do 
so.


   Best,

   Rod

   -Original Message-
   From: Talk
   [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf

   Of Carol and Roger via Talk
   Sent: September 9, 2017 2:13 PM
   To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
   Cc: Carol and Roger <carogsm...@embarqmail.com>
   Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

   Hi Rod,

   Yes, you are correct.  Even if the company is gone, the copywright is
   still there.  It is the same as a person writing a book.  The book can
   be copywrighted for as long as someone wishes to keep it going.  So, AI
   may have forwarded the copywright which would now fall on VFO to
   continue to maintain that, even though the product is no longer being
   distributed.

   Carol


   On 9/9/2017 12:47 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
   > Hi Russ and all,
   >
   > As memory serves, you do have to enter the correct name when you 
install

   > Window-Eyes.
   > Regardless whether I'm right about that point, as much as this thread
   > seems to entertain the idea of sharing retail copies of Window-Eyes, 
I

   > think you'll run into copyright infringement if you do this.
   >
   > Hth,
   >
   > Rod
   >
   > -Original Message-
   > From: Talk
   > [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
   > Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
   > Sent: September 9, 2017 9:23 AM
   > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
   > Cc: Russ Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com>
   > Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes
   >
   > It's my understanding it doesn't matter what name you put in, it's 
the

   > serial number that matters.
   >
   > -Original Message-
   > From: Carol and Roger via Talk
   > Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 10:38 AM
   > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
   > Cc: Carol and Roger
   > Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes
   >
   > Only sort of.  The serial number is assigned to a specific person, so
   > the name and any other information that is asked for during 
installation
   > would need to be the same for both people. So, if you gave me your 
copy
   > and did not tell me your information, your copy, on my PC would still 
be

   > a demo copy.
   >
   >
   > On 9/8/2017 12:44 PM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:
   >> If I sent someone a copy of my last installation copy, that person 
would
   >> still need an activation code or it would go into demo mode. Isn't 
this

   >> correct?
   >>
   >> On 9/8/2017 8:57 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk]
   >>
   >>   wrote:
   >>> Hi Loy,
   >>>
   >>> Sorry, I wasn't clear.  I was referring to why you thought it would 
be
   >>> okay for someone to use someone else's copy of WE simply because it 
was

   >>> no longer being developed.
   >>> I would think it is still the property of VFO, and, therefore,
   >>> infringement of copyright to let someone else use it.
   >>>
   >>> Thanks,
   >>>
   >>> Rod
   >>>
   >>> -Original Message-
   >>> From: Talk
   >>> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On

   >>> Beha

Re: question about re installing wineyes

[Josh Kennedy via Talk]

you know what? The only other screen reader that comes close, 
historically-speaking, to NVDA's power, flexibility, and affordability, 
in my opinion, would have to be the old ASAP screen reader and tinyTalk 
screen readers for ms-DOS. Both NVDA and ASAP and tinyTalk for ms-dos 
dos can do stuff that no other screen reader can do.



On 9/10/2017 1:34 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:

I can assure you that that is on the list of things for NVAccess.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Josh Kennedy via Talk
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 10:11 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Josh Kennedy
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

NVDA just needs network and citrix support and it will be able to really
hurt the sales of jaws. It would be great if someone would make an NVDA
addon to give NVDA citrix and network installation server client support.


On 9/10/2017 9:29 AM, Loy via Talk wrote:

It would hurt the sales of JAWS.
- Original Message -
From: Russ Kiehne via Talk
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Russ Kiehne
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 9:23 AM
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes


Why doesn't the vfo group put out a working copy of window eyes in the
public domain?  This is what Freedom Scientific did with jaws for dos.

-Original Message-
From: Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Saturday, September 9, 2017 11:33 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes

Thanks, Carol.

That's what I assume, and so why I'm counselling caution about

distributing

Window-Eyes even though VFO claims that it will no longer be developed.
Besides, being their product, they can do whatever they want with
Window-Eyes in the future, even resurrect it, should they choose to do

so.

Best,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On

Behalf

Of Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: September 9, 2017 2:13 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Carol and Roger<carogsm...@embarqmail.com>
    Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

Hi Rod,

Yes, you are correct.  Even if the company is gone, the copywright is
still there.  It is the same as a person writing a book.  The book can
be copywrighted for as long as someone wishes to keep it going.  So, AI
may have forwarded the copywright which would now fall on VFO to
continue to maintain that, even though the product is no longer being
distributed.

Carol


On 9/9/2017 12:47 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
> Hi Russ and all,
>
> As memory serves, you do have to enter the correct name when you

install

> Window-Eyes.
> Regardless whether I'm right about that point, as much as this thread
> seems to entertain the idea of sharing retail copies of Window-Eyes,

I

> think you'll run into copyright infringement if you do this.
>
> Hth,
>
> Rod
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
> Sent: September 9, 2017 9:23 AM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> Cc: Russ Kiehne<russ94...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes
>
> It's my understanding it doesn't matter what name you put in, it's

the

> serial number that matters.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Carol and Roger via Talk
> Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 10:38 AM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Cc: Carol and Roger
> Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes
>
> Only sort of.  The serial number is assigned to a specific person, so
> the name and any other information that is asked for during

installation

> would need to be the same for both people. So, if you gave me your

copy

> and did not tell me your information, your copy, on my PC would still

be

> a demo copy.
>
>
> On 9/8/2017 12:44 PM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:
>> If I sent someone a copy of my last installation copy, that person

would

>> still need an activation code or it would go into demo mode. Isn't

this

>> correct?
>>
>> On 9/8/2017 8:57 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk]
>>
>>   wrote:
>>> Hi Loy,
>>>
>>> Sorry, I wasn't clear.  I was referring to why you thought it would

be

>>> okay for someone to use someone else's copy of WE simply because i

Re: question about re installing wineyes

[Loy via Talk]

I have had the same Window Eyes serial number since I purchased WE version 4.1. 
If I got a new version on CD it would have my original serial number  in the 
installation files. If I downloaded an upgrade from their web site I would have 
to impute my serial number to get permission to download the upgrade file. .  I 
am permitted to install on as many computers as I wish as long as I am the 
user. A person could install on someone else's computer  but that would violet 
the license agreement.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Butch Bussen via Talk 
  To: Russ Kiehne via Talk 
  Cc: Butch Bussen 
  Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 2:17 PM
  Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes


  As I understand it, the install program is created with the imbeded 
  serial number and is unique to that number.  If I purchased an upgrade, 
  using my serial number, it wouldn't install over a window-eyes with a 
  different number.  It isn't like jaws where you input the number, the 
  number is input when the program is created.  Hope that makes sense.

  73
  Butch
  WA0VJR
  Node 3148
  Wallace, ks.


  On 
  Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Russ Kiehne via Talk wrote:

  > I have a friend of mine who is using a copy of window eyes that doesn't 
  > belong to him.  He put in a phony name and it worked.  The serial number is 
  > filled in for you.
  >
  > -Original Message- From: Rod Hutton via Talk
  > Sent: Saturday, September 9, 2017 9:47 AM
  > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
  > Cc: Rod Hutton
  > Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes
  >
  > Hi Russ and all,
  >
  > As memory serves, you do have to enter the correct name when you install 
  > Window-Eyes.
  > Regardless whether I'm right about that point, as much as this thread seems 
  > to entertain the idea of sharing retail copies of Window-Eyes, I think 
you'll 
  > run into copyright infringement if you do this.
  >
  > Hth,
  >
  > Rod
  >
  > -Original Message-
  > From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
  > On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
  > Sent: September 9, 2017 9:23 AM
  > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
  > Cc: Russ Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com>
  > Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes
  >
  > It's my understanding it doesn't matter what name you put in, it's the
  > serial number that matters.
  >
  > -Original Message- From: Carol and Roger via Talk
  > Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 10:38 AM
  > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
  > Cc: Carol and Roger
  > Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes
  >
  > Only sort of.  The serial number is assigned to a specific person, so
  > the name and any other information that is asked for during installation
  > would need to be the same for both people. So, if you gave me your copy
  > and did not tell me your information, your copy, on my PC would still be
  > a demo copy.
  >
  >
  > On 9/8/2017 12:44 PM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:
  >>  If I sent someone a copy of my last installation copy, that person would
  >>  still need an activation code or it would go into demo mode. Isn't this
  >>  correct?
  >>
  >>  On 9/8/2017 8:57 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk]
  >>
  >>   wrote:
  >> >  Hi Loy,
  >> > 
  >> >  Sorry, I wasn't clear.  I was referring to why you thought it would be
  >> >  okay for someone to use someone else's copy of WE simply because it was
  >> >  no longer being developed.
  >> >  I would think it is still the property of VFO, and, therefore,
  >> >  infringement of copyright to let someone else use it.
  >> > 
  >> >  Thanks,
  >> > 
  >> >  Rod
  >> > 
  >> >  -Original Message-
  >> >  From: Talk
  >> >  [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
  >> >  Behalf Of Loy via Talk
  >> >  Sent: September 8, 2017 11:37 AM
  >> >  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
  >> >  Cc: Loy <loyrg2...@gmail.com>
  >> >  Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes
  >> > 
  >> >  If you are in the US, you never had to activate WE. I think in some
  >> >  countries you had to have a dongle.
  >> > - Original Message -
  >> > From: Rod Hutton via Talk
  >> > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
  >> > Cc: Rod Hutton
  >> > Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 11:01 AM
  >> > Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes
  >> > 
  >> > 
  >> > Hi Loy,
  >> > 
  >> >

Re: question about re installing wineyes

[pasquale acquaviva via Talk]

On Sun, 9/10/17, Butch Bussen via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

 Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes
 To: "Russ Kiehne via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
 Cc: "Butch Bussen" <but...@shellworld.net>
 Date: Sunday, September 10, 2017, 1:17 PM
 
 As I understand it, the install
 program is created with the imbeded 
 serial
 number and is unique to that number.  If I purchased an
 upgrade, 
 using my serial number, it
 wouldn't install over a window-eyes with a 
 different number.  It isn't like jaws
 where you input the number, the 
 number is
 input when the program is created.  Hope that makes
 sense.
 
 73
 Butch
 WA0VJR
 Node 3148
 Wallace, ks.
 
 
 On 
 Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Russ Kiehne via Talk
 wrote:
 
 > I have a friend
 of mine who is using a copy of window eyes that doesn't
 
 > belong to him.  He put in a phony
 name and it worked.  The serial number is 
 > filled in for you.
 >
 > -Original Message- From: Rod
 Hutton via Talk
 > Sent: Saturday,
 September 9, 2017 9:47 AM
 > To:
 Window-Eyes Discussion List
 > Cc: Rod
 Hutton
 > Subject: RE: question about re
 installing wineyes
 >
 >
 Hi Russ and all,
 >
 >
 As memory serves, you do have to enter the correct name when
 you install 
 > Window-Eyes.
 > Regardless whether I'm right about
 that point, as much as this thread seems 
 > to entertain the idea of sharing retail
 copies of Window-Eyes, I think you'll 
 > run into copyright infringement if you do
 this.
 >
 > Hth,
 >
 > Rod
 >
 > -Original
 Message-
 > From: Talk
 [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
 
 > On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
 > Sent: September 9, 2017 9:23 AM
 > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
 > Cc: Russ Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com>
 > Subject: Re: question about re installing
 wineyes
 >
 > It's
 my understanding it doesn't matter what name you put in,
 it's the
 > serial number that
 matters.
 >
 >
 -Original Message----- From: Carol and Roger via Talk
 > Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 10:38
 AM
 > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
 > Cc: Carol and Roger
 >
 Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes
 >
 > Only sort of.  The
 serial number is assigned to a specific person, so
 > the name and any other information that is
 asked for during installation
 > would
 need to be the same for both people. So, if you gave me your
 copy
 > and did not tell me your
 information, your copy, on my PC would still be
 > a demo copy.
 >
 >
 > On 9/8/2017 12:44 PM,
 brice Mijares via Talk wrote:
b >>  If
 I sent someone a copy of my last installation copy, that
 person would
 >>  still need an
 activation code or it would go into demo mode. Isn't
 this
 >>  correct?
 >>
 >>  On 9/8/2017
 8:57 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk]
 >>
 >>   wrote:
 >>
 >  Hi Loy,
 >> > 
 >> >  Sorry, I wasn't clear.  I
 was referring to why you thought it would be
 >> >  okay for someone to use someone
 else's copy of WE simply because it was
 >> >  no longer being developed.
 >> >  I would think it is still the
 property of VFO, and, therefore,
 >>
 >  infringement of copyright to let someone else use
 it.
 >> > 
 >>
 >  Thanks,
 >> > 
 >> >  Rod
 >>
 > 
 >> >  -Original
 Message-
 >> >  From: Talk
 >> > 
 [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
 On
 >> >  Behalf Of Loy via Talk
 >> >  Sent: September 8, 2017 11:37
 AM
 >> >  To: Window-Eyes
 Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
 >> >  Cc: Loy <loyrg2...@gmail.com>
 >> >  Subject: Re: question about re
 installing wineyes
 >> > 
 >> >  If you are in the US, you never
 had to activate WE. I think in some
 >>
 >  countries you had to have a dongle.
 >> >     - Original Message
 -
 >> >     From: Rod Hutton
 via Talk
 >> >     To: Window-Eyes
 Discussion List
 >> >     Cc: Rod
 Hutton
 >> >     Sent: Friday,
 September 8, 2017 11:01 AM
 >> > 
    Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes
 >> > 
 >> >
 
 >> >     Hi Loy,
 >> > 
 >> > 
    If you truly know this, then, that's fine.
 >> >     I don't feel as certain
 about this as you seem to be.
 >>
 >     If you can explain this a bit, I'd appreciate
 it.
 >> > 
 >>
 >     Best,
 >> > 
 >> >     Rod
 >> > 
 >> > 
    -Original Message-
 >>
 >     From: Talk
 >

Re: question about re installing wineyes

[Josh Kennedy via Talk]

you know what? The only other screen reader that comes close, 
historically-speaking, to NVDA's power, flexibility, and affordability, 
in my opinion, would have to be the old ASAP screen reader and tinyTalk 
screen readers for ms-DOS. Both NVDA and ASAP and tinyTalk for ms-dos 
dos can do stuff that no other screen reader can do.



On 9/10/2017 1:34 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:

I can assure you that that is on the list of things for NVAccess.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Josh Kennedy via Talk
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 10:11 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Josh Kennedy
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

NVDA just needs network and citrix support and it will be able to really
hurt the sales of jaws. It would be great if someone would make an NVDA
addon to give NVDA citrix and network installation server client support.


On 9/10/2017 9:29 AM, Loy via Talk wrote:

It would hurt the sales of JAWS.
- Original Message -
From: Russ Kiehne via Talk
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Russ Kiehne
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 9:23 AM
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes


Why doesn't the vfo group put out a working copy of window eyes in the
public domain?  This is what Freedom Scientific did with jaws for dos.

-Original Message-
From: Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Saturday, September 9, 2017 11:33 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes

Thanks, Carol.

That's what I assume, and so why I'm counselling caution about

distributing

Window-Eyes even though VFO claims that it will no longer be developed.
Besides, being their product, they can do whatever they want with
Window-Eyes in the future, even resurrect it, should they choose to do

so.

Best,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On

Behalf

Of Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: September 9, 2017 2:13 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Carol and Roger <carogsm...@embarqmail.com>
    Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

Hi Rod,

Yes, you are correct.  Even if the company is gone, the copywright is
still there.  It is the same as a person writing a book.  The book can
be copywrighted for as long as someone wishes to keep it going.  So, AI
may have forwarded the copywright which would now fall on VFO to
continue to maintain that, even though the product is no longer being
distributed.

Carol


On 9/9/2017 12:47 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
> Hi Russ and all,
>
> As memory serves, you do have to enter the correct name when you

install

> Window-Eyes.
> Regardless whether I'm right about that point, as much as this thread
> seems to entertain the idea of sharing retail copies of Window-Eyes,

I

> think you'll run into copyright infringement if you do this.
>
> Hth,
>
> Rod
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
> Sent: September 9, 2017 9:23 AM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> Cc: Russ Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes
>
> It's my understanding it doesn't matter what name you put in, it's

the

> serial number that matters.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Carol and Roger via Talk
> Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 10:38 AM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Cc: Carol and Roger
> Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes
>
> Only sort of.  The serial number is assigned to a specific person, so
> the name and any other information that is asked for during

installation

> would need to be the same for both people. So, if you gave me your

copy

> and did not tell me your information, your copy, on my PC would still

be

> a demo copy.
>
>
> On 9/8/2017 12:44 PM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:
>> If I sent someone a copy of my last installation copy, that person

would

>> still need an activation code or it would go into demo mode. Isn't

this

>> correct?
>>
>> On 9/8/2017 8:57 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk]
>>
>>   wrote:
>>> Hi Loy,
>>>
>>> Sorry, I wasn't clear.  I was referring to why you thought it would

be

>>> okay for someone to use someone else's copy of WE simply because i

Re: question about re installing wineyes

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

Because it is direct competition, and that is why they bought it to 
begin with.  Why do you think they filed the law suit against gw micro?

73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On 
Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Russ Kiehne via Talk wrote:


Why doesn't the vfo group put out a working copy of window eyes in the public 
domain?  This is what Freedom Scientific did with jaws for dos.


-Original Message- From: Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Saturday, September 9, 2017 11:33 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes

Thanks, Carol.

That's what I assume, and so why I'm counselling caution about distributing 
Window-Eyes even though VFO claims that it will no longer be developed.
Besides, being their product, they can do whatever they want with Window-Eyes 
in the future, even resurrect it, should they choose to do so.


Best,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk

Sent: September 9, 2017 2:13 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Carol and Roger <carogsm...@embarqmail.com>
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

Hi Rod,

Yes, you are correct.  Even if the company is gone, the copywright is
still there.  It is the same as a person writing a book.  The book can
be copywrighted for as long as someone wishes to keep it going.  So, AI
may have forwarded the copywright which would now fall on VFO to
continue to maintain that, even though the product is no longer being
distributed.

Carol


On 9/9/2017 12:47 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

 Hi Russ and all,

 As memory serves, you do have to enter the correct name when you install
 Window-Eyes.
 Regardless whether I'm right about that point, as much as this thread
 seems to entertain the idea of sharing retail copies of Window-Eyes, I
 think you'll run into copyright infringement if you do this.

 Hth,

 Rod

 -Original Message-
 From: Talk
 [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
 Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
 Sent: September 9, 2017 9:23 AM
 To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
 Cc: Russ Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com>
 Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

 It's my understanding it doesn't matter what name you put in, it's the
 serial number that matters.

 -Original Message-
 From: Carol and Roger via Talk
 Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 10:38 AM
 To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Cc: Carol and Roger
 Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

 Only sort of.  The serial number is assigned to a specific person, so
 the name and any other information that is asked for during installation
 would need to be the same for both people. So, if you gave me your copy
 and did not tell me your information, your copy, on my PC would still be
 a demo copy.


 On 9/8/2017 12:44 PM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:
>  If I sent someone a copy of my last installation copy, that person would
>  still need an activation code or it would go into demo mode. Isn't this
>  correct?
> 
>  On 9/8/2017 8:57 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk]
> 
>wrote:

> >  Hi Loy,
> > 
> >  Sorry, I wasn't clear.  I was referring to why you thought it would be
> >  okay for someone to use someone else's copy of WE simply because it 
> >  was

> >  no longer being developed.
> >  I would think it is still the property of VFO, and, therefore,
> >  infringement of copyright to let someone else use it.
> > 
> >  Thanks,
> > 
> >  Rod
> > 
> >  -Original Message-

> >  From: Talk
> >  [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> >  Behalf Of Loy via Talk
> >  Sent: September 8, 2017 11:37 AM
> >  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> >  Cc: Loy <loyrg2...@gmail.com>
> >  Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes
> > 
> >  If you are in the US, you never had to activate WE. I think in some

> >  countries you had to have a dongle.
> >  ----- Original Message -
> >  From: Rod Hutton via Talk
> >  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> >  Cc: Rod Hutton
> >  Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 11:01 AM
> >  Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes
> > 
> > 
> >  Hi Loy,
> > 
> >  If you truly know this, then, that's fine.

> >  I don't feel as certain about this as you seem to be.
> >  If you can explain this a bit, I'd appreciate it.
> > 
> >  Best,
> > 
> >  Rod
> > 
> >  -Original Message-

> >  From: Talk
> >  [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-e

Re: question about re installing wineyes

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

As I understand it, the install program is created with the imbeded 
serial number and is unique to that number.  If I purchased an upgrade, 
using my serial number, it wouldn't install over a window-eyes with a 
different number.  It isn't like jaws where you input the number, the 
number is input when the program is created.  Hope that makes sense.


73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On 
Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Russ Kiehne via Talk wrote:


I have a friend of mine who is using a copy of window eyes that doesn't 
belong to him.  He put in a phony name and it worked.  The serial number is 
filled in for you.


-Original Message- From: Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Saturday, September 9, 2017 9:47 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes

Hi Russ and all,

As memory serves, you do have to enter the correct name when you install 
Window-Eyes.
Regardless whether I'm right about that point, as much as this thread seems 
to entertain the idea of sharing retail copies of Window-Eyes, I think you'll 
run into copyright infringement if you do this.


Hth,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk

Sent: September 9, 2017 9:23 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Russ Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

It's my understanding it doesn't matter what name you put in, it's the
serial number that matters.

-Original Message- From: Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 10:38 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Carol and Roger
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

Only sort of.  The serial number is assigned to a specific person, so
the name and any other information that is asked for during installation
would need to be the same for both people. So, if you gave me your copy
and did not tell me your information, your copy, on my PC would still be
a demo copy.


On 9/8/2017 12:44 PM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:

 If I sent someone a copy of my last installation copy, that person would
 still need an activation code or it would go into demo mode. Isn't this
 correct?

 On 9/8/2017 8:57 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk]

  wrote:
>  Hi Loy,
> 
>  Sorry, I wasn't clear.  I was referring to why you thought it would be

>  okay for someone to use someone else's copy of WE simply because it was
>  no longer being developed.
>  I would think it is still the property of VFO, and, therefore,
>  infringement of copyright to let someone else use it.
> 
>  Thanks,
> 
>  Rod
> 
>  -Original Message-

>  From: Talk
>  [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
>  Behalf Of Loy via Talk
>  Sent: September 8, 2017 11:37 AM
>  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
>  Cc: Loy <loyrg2...@gmail.com>
>  Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes
> 
>  If you are in the US, you never had to activate WE. I think in some

>  countries you had to have a dongle.
> - Original Message -
> From: Rod Hutton via Talk
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Cc: Rod Hutton
> Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 11:01 AM
> Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes
> 
> 
> Hi Loy,
> 
> If you truly know this, then, that's fine.

> I don't feel as certain about this as you seem to be.
> If you can explain this a bit, I'd appreciate it.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Rod
> 
> -Original Message-

> From: Talk
>  [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
>  Behalf Of Loy via Talk
> Sent: September 8, 2017 10:40 AM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> Cc: Loy <loyrg2...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes
> 
> There has never been an online activation. I doubt that you can get a

>  downloadable copy from VFO now, but if you can get a copy from someone
>  else then you could install it. Being it is no longer being sold or
>  developed then using some one else's copy would not matter.
>   - Original Message -
>   From: Micallef Michael at FITA via Talk
>   To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
>   Cc: Micallef Michael at FITA
>   Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 10:24 AM
>   Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes
> 
> 
>   And then after installation of WE how about the online activation?
> 
>   -Original Message-

>   From: Talk
>  [mailto:talk-bounces+michael.micallef=gov...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
>  Behalf Of aad leeflang via Talk
>   Sent: Friday, September 8, 

RE: question about re installing wineyes

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

I can assure you that that is on the list of things for NVAccess.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Josh Kennedy via Talk
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 10:11 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Josh Kennedy
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

NVDA just needs network and citrix support and it will be able to really
hurt the sales of jaws. It would be great if someone would make an NVDA
addon to give NVDA citrix and network installation server client support.


On 9/10/2017 9:29 AM, Loy via Talk wrote:
> It would hurt the sales of JAWS.
>- Original Message -
>From: Russ Kiehne via Talk
>To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
>Cc: Russ Kiehne
>Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 9:23 AM
>Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes
>
>
>Why doesn't the vfo group put out a working copy of window eyes in the
>public domain?  This is what Freedom Scientific did with jaws for dos.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Rod Hutton via Talk
>Sent: Saturday, September 9, 2017 11:33 AM
>To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
>Cc: Rod Hutton
>Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes
>
>Thanks, Carol.
>
>That's what I assume, and so why I'm counselling caution about
distributing
>Window-Eyes even though VFO claims that it will no longer be developed.
>Besides, being their product, they can do whatever they want with
>Window-Eyes in the future, even resurrect it, should they choose to do
so.
>
>Best,
>
>Rod
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Talk
>[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf
>Of Carol and Roger via Talk
>Sent: September 9, 2017 2:13 PM
>To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
>Cc: Carol and Roger <carogsm...@embarqmail.com>
>Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes
>
>Hi Rod,
>
>Yes, you are correct.  Even if the company is gone, the copywright is
>still there.  It is the same as a person writing a book.  The book can
>be copywrighted for as long as someone wishes to keep it going.  So, AI
>may have forwarded the copywright which would now fall on VFO to
>continue to maintain that, even though the product is no longer being
>distributed.
>
>Carol
>
>
>On 9/9/2017 12:47 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
>> Hi Russ and all,
>>
>> As memory serves, you do have to enter the correct name when you
install
>> Window-Eyes.
>> Regardless whether I'm right about that point, as much as this thread
>> seems to entertain the idea of sharing retail copies of Window-Eyes,
I
>> think you'll run into copyright infringement if you do this.
>>
>> Hth,
>>
>> Rod
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
>> Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
>> Sent: September 9, 2017 9:23 AM
>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
>> Cc: Russ Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes
>>
>> It's my understanding it doesn't matter what name you put in, it's
the
>> serial number that matters.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Carol and Roger via Talk
>> Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 10:38 AM
>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Cc: Carol and Roger
>> Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes
>>
>> Only sort of.  The serial number is assigned to a specific person, so
>> the name and any other information that is asked for during
installation
>> would need to be the same for both people. So, if you gave me your
copy
>> and did not tell me your information, your copy, on my PC would still
be
>> a demo copy.
>>
>>
>> On 9/8/2017 12:44 PM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:
>>> If I sent someone a copy of my last installation copy, that person
would
>>> still need an activation code or it would go into demo mode. Isn't
this
>>> correct?
>>>
>>> On 9/8/2017 8:57 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk]
>>>
>>>   wrote:
>>>> Hi Loy,
>>>>
>>>> Sorry, I wasn't clear.  I was referring to why you thought it would
be
>>>> okay for someone to use someone else's copy of WE simply because it
was
>  

Re: question about re installing wineyes

[Josh Kennedy via Talk]

NVDA just needs network and citrix support and it will be able to really 
hurt the sales of jaws. It would be great if someone would make an NVDA 
addon to give NVDA citrix and network installation server client support.



On 9/10/2017 9:29 AM, Loy via Talk wrote:

It would hurt the sales of JAWS.
   - Original Message -
   From: Russ Kiehne via Talk
   To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
   Cc: Russ Kiehne
   Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 9:23 AM
   Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes


   Why doesn't the vfo group put out a working copy of window eyes in the
   public domain?  This is what Freedom Scientific did with jaws for dos.

   -Original Message-
   From: Rod Hutton via Talk
   Sent: Saturday, September 9, 2017 11:33 AM
   To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
   Cc: Rod Hutton
   Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes

   Thanks, Carol.

   That's what I assume, and so why I'm counselling caution about distributing
   Window-Eyes even though VFO claims that it will no longer be developed.
   Besides, being their product, they can do whatever they want with
   Window-Eyes in the future, even resurrect it, should they choose to do so.

   Best,

   Rod

   -Original Message-
   From: Talk
   [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
   Of Carol and Roger via Talk
   Sent: September 9, 2017 2:13 PM
   To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
   Cc: Carol and Roger <carogsm...@embarqmail.com>
   Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

   Hi Rod,

   Yes, you are correct.  Even if the company is gone, the copywright is
   still there.  It is the same as a person writing a book.  The book can
   be copywrighted for as long as someone wishes to keep it going.  So, AI
   may have forwarded the copywright which would now fall on VFO to
   continue to maintain that, even though the product is no longer being
   distributed.

   Carol


   On 9/9/2017 12:47 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
   > Hi Russ and all,
   >
   > As memory serves, you do have to enter the correct name when you install
   > Window-Eyes.
   > Regardless whether I'm right about that point, as much as this thread
   > seems to entertain the idea of sharing retail copies of Window-Eyes, I
   > think you'll run into copyright infringement if you do this.
   >
   > Hth,
   >
   > Rod
   >
   > -Original Message-
   > From: Talk
   > [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
   > Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
   > Sent: September 9, 2017 9:23 AM
   > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
   > Cc: Russ Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com>
   > Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes
   >
   > It's my understanding it doesn't matter what name you put in, it's the
   > serial number that matters.
   >
   > -Original Message-
   > From: Carol and Roger via Talk
   > Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 10:38 AM
   > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
   > Cc: Carol and Roger
   > Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes
   >
   > Only sort of.  The serial number is assigned to a specific person, so
   > the name and any other information that is asked for during installation
   > would need to be the same for both people. So, if you gave me your copy
   > and did not tell me your information, your copy, on my PC would still be
   > a demo copy.
   >
   >
   > On 9/8/2017 12:44 PM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:
   >> If I sent someone a copy of my last installation copy, that person would
   >> still need an activation code or it would go into demo mode. Isn't this
   >> correct?
   >>
   >> On 9/8/2017 8:57 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk]
   >>
   >>   wrote:
   >>> Hi Loy,
   >>>
   >>> Sorry, I wasn't clear.  I was referring to why you thought it would be
   >>> okay for someone to use someone else's copy of WE simply because it was
   >>> no longer being developed.
   >>> I would think it is still the property of VFO, and, therefore,
   >>> infringement of copyright to let someone else use it.
   >>>
   >>> Thanks,
   >>>
   >>> Rod
   >>>
   >>> -Original Message-
   >>> From: Talk
   >>> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
   >>> Behalf Of Loy via Talk
   >>> Sent: September 8, 2017 11:37 AM
   >>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
   >>> Cc: Loy <loyrg2...@gmail.com>
   >>> Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes
   >>>
   >>> If you are in the US, you never had to activate WE. I think in some
 

RE: question about re installing wineyes

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Well, JAWS won't be around forever. And it won't last for a while. Besides,
NVDA is slowly attracting JAWS users, and sooner or later JAWS users will
get smaller. In fact, I can see organizations, such as bookstores, etc use
NVDA in the future.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Loy via Talk
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 6:29 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Loy
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

It would hurt the sales of JAWS.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Russ Kiehne via Talk 
  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
  Cc: Russ Kiehne 
  Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 9:23 AM
  Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes


  Why doesn't the vfo group put out a working copy of window eyes in the 
  public domain?  This is what Freedom Scientific did with jaws for dos.

  -Original Message- 
  From: Rod Hutton via Talk
  Sent: Saturday, September 9, 2017 11:33 AM
  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
  Cc: Rod Hutton
  Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes

  Thanks, Carol.

  That's what I assume, and so why I'm counselling caution about
distributing 
  Window-Eyes even though VFO claims that it will no longer be developed.
  Besides, being their product, they can do whatever they want with 
  Window-Eyes in the future, even resurrect it, should they choose to do so.

  Best,

  Rod

  -Original Message-
  From: Talk 
  [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf 
  Of Carol and Roger via Talk
  Sent: September 9, 2017 2:13 PM
  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
  Cc: Carol and Roger <carogsm...@embarqmail.com>
  Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

  Hi Rod,

  Yes, you are correct.  Even if the company is gone, the copywright is
  still there.  It is the same as a person writing a book.  The book can
  be copywrighted for as long as someone wishes to keep it going.  So, AI
  may have forwarded the copywright which would now fall on VFO to
  continue to maintain that, even though the product is no longer being
  distributed.

  Carol


  On 9/9/2017 12:47 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
  > Hi Russ and all,
  >
  > As memory serves, you do have to enter the correct name when you install

  > Window-Eyes.
  > Regardless whether I'm right about that point, as much as this thread 
  > seems to entertain the idea of sharing retail copies of Window-Eyes, I 
  > think you'll run into copyright infringement if you do this.
  >
  > Hth,
  >
  > Rod
  >
  > -Original Message-
  > From: Talk 
  > [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
  > Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
  > Sent: September 9, 2017 9:23 AM
  > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
  > Cc: Russ Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com>
  > Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes
  >
  > It's my understanding it doesn't matter what name you put in, it's the
  > serial number that matters.
  >
  > -Original Message-
  > From: Carol and Roger via Talk
  > Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 10:38 AM
  > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
  > Cc: Carol and Roger
  > Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes
  >
  > Only sort of.  The serial number is assigned to a specific person, so
  > the name and any other information that is asked for during installation
  > would need to be the same for both people. So, if you gave me your copy
  > and did not tell me your information, your copy, on my PC would still be
  > a demo copy.
  >
  >
  > On 9/8/2017 12:44 PM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:
  >> If I sent someone a copy of my last installation copy, that person
would
  >> still need an activation code or it would go into demo mode. Isn't this
  >> correct?
  >>
  >> On 9/8/2017 8:57 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk]
  >>
  >>   wrote:
  >>> Hi Loy,
  >>>
  >>> Sorry, I wasn't clear.  I was referring to why you thought it would be
  >>> okay for someone to use someone else's copy of WE simply because it
was
  >>> no longer being developed.
  >>> I would think it is still the property of VFO, and, therefore,
  >>> infringement of copyright to let someone else use it.
  >>>
  >>> Thanks,
  >>>
  >>> Rod
  >>>
  >>> -Original Message-
  >>> From: Talk
  >>> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
  >>> Behalf Of Loy via Talk
  >>> Sent: September 8, 2017 11:37 AM
  >>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
  >>> Cc: Loy <loyrg2...@gmail.com>
  >>> Subject: Re

Re: question about re installing wineyes

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

Did you ask the NVDA developers about adding  network installs and 
citrix support?


-Original Message- 
From: Josh Kennedy via Talk

Sent: Saturday, September 9, 2017 6:33 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Josh Kennedy
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

thing is they can't kill window eyes as long as people choose to use it.
and if people keep sharing and passing it around then it won't die. if
NVDA can only get network installs and citrix support it'll really cut
into the jaws profits.



On 9/9/2017 9:20 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:
Businesses buy other businesses every day to either kill the competition 
or incorporate the technology into their own product lines. VFO bought AI 
Squared to kill Window-Eyes and replace their bad screen magnification 
program with the best selling ZoomText.


On 9/9/2017 9:11 PM, Josh Kennedy via Talk wrote:
when stuff is no longer supported it should really be open source 
otherwise it will be lost to time.


On 9/9/2017 12:47 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Russ and all,

As memory serves, you do have to enter the correct name when you install 
Window-Eyes.
Regardless whether I'm right about that point, as much as this thread 
seems to entertain the idea of sharing retail copies of Window-Eyes, I 
think you'll run into copyright infringement if you do this.


Hth,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk

Sent: September 9, 2017 9:23 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Russ Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

It's my understanding it doesn't matter what name you put in, it's the
serial number that matters.

-Original Message-
From: Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 10:38 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Carol and Roger
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

Only sort of.  The serial number is assigned to a specific person, so
the name and any other information that is asked for during installation
would need to be the same for both people. So, if you gave me your copy
and did not tell me your information, your copy, on my PC would still be
a demo copy.


On 9/8/2017 12:44 PM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:
If I sent someone a copy of my last installation copy, that person 
would

still need an activation code or it would go into demo mode. Isn't this
correct?

On 9/8/2017 8:57 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk]

  wrote:

Hi Loy,

Sorry, I wasn't clear.  I was referring to why you thought it would be
okay for someone to use someone else's copy of WE simply because it 
was

no longer being developed.
I would think it is still the property of VFO, and, therefore,
infringement of copyright to let someone else use it.

Thanks,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Loy via Talk
Sent: September 8, 2017 11:37 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Loy <loyrg2...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

If you are in the US, you never had to activate WE. I think in some
countries you had to have a dongle.
- Original Message -
From: Rod Hutton via Talk
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 11:01 AM
    Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes


Hi Loy,

If you truly know this, then, that's fine.
I don't feel as certain about this as you seem to be.
If you can explain this a bit, I'd appreciate it.

Best,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Loy via Talk
Sent: September 8, 2017 10:40 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Loy <loyrg2...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

There has never been an online activation. I doubt that you can 
get a

downloadable copy from VFO now, but if you can get a copy from someone
else then you could install it. Being it is no longer being sold or
developed then using some one else's copy would not matter.
  - Original Message -
  From: Micallef Michael at FITA via Talk
  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
  Cc: Micallef Michael at FITA
  Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 10:24 AM
  Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes


  And then after installation of WE how about the online 
activation?


  -Original Message-
  From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+michael.micallef=gov...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of aad leeflang via Talk
  Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 12:07 PM
  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
      Cc: aad leeflang
  Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

  ok

Re: question about re installing wineyes

[Loy via Talk]

It would hurt the sales of JAWS.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Russ Kiehne via Talk 
  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
  Cc: Russ Kiehne 
  Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 9:23 AM
  Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes


  Why doesn't the vfo group put out a working copy of window eyes in the 
  public domain?  This is what Freedom Scientific did with jaws for dos.

  -Original Message- 
  From: Rod Hutton via Talk
  Sent: Saturday, September 9, 2017 11:33 AM
  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
  Cc: Rod Hutton
  Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes

  Thanks, Carol.

  That's what I assume, and so why I'm counselling caution about distributing 
  Window-Eyes even though VFO claims that it will no longer be developed.
  Besides, being their product, they can do whatever they want with 
  Window-Eyes in the future, even resurrect it, should they choose to do so.

  Best,

  Rod

  -Original Message-
  From: Talk 
  [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
  Of Carol and Roger via Talk
  Sent: September 9, 2017 2:13 PM
  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
  Cc: Carol and Roger <carogsm...@embarqmail.com>
  Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

  Hi Rod,

  Yes, you are correct.  Even if the company is gone, the copywright is
  still there.  It is the same as a person writing a book.  The book can
  be copywrighted for as long as someone wishes to keep it going.  So, AI
  may have forwarded the copywright which would now fall on VFO to
  continue to maintain that, even though the product is no longer being
  distributed.

  Carol


  On 9/9/2017 12:47 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
  > Hi Russ and all,
  >
  > As memory serves, you do have to enter the correct name when you install 
  > Window-Eyes.
  > Regardless whether I'm right about that point, as much as this thread 
  > seems to entertain the idea of sharing retail copies of Window-Eyes, I 
  > think you'll run into copyright infringement if you do this.
  >
  > Hth,
  >
  > Rod
  >
  > -Original Message-
  > From: Talk 
  > [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
  > Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
  > Sent: September 9, 2017 9:23 AM
  > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
  > Cc: Russ Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com>
  > Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes
  >
  > It's my understanding it doesn't matter what name you put in, it's the
  > serial number that matters.
  >
  > -Original Message-
  > From: Carol and Roger via Talk
  > Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 10:38 AM
  > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
  > Cc: Carol and Roger
  > Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes
  >
  > Only sort of.  The serial number is assigned to a specific person, so
  > the name and any other information that is asked for during installation
  > would need to be the same for both people. So, if you gave me your copy
  > and did not tell me your information, your copy, on my PC would still be
  > a demo copy.
  >
  >
  > On 9/8/2017 12:44 PM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:
  >> If I sent someone a copy of my last installation copy, that person would
  >> still need an activation code or it would go into demo mode. Isn't this
  >> correct?
  >>
  >> On 9/8/2017 8:57 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk]
  >>
  >>   wrote:
  >>> Hi Loy,
  >>>
  >>> Sorry, I wasn't clear.  I was referring to why you thought it would be
  >>> okay for someone to use someone else's copy of WE simply because it was
  >>> no longer being developed.
  >>> I would think it is still the property of VFO, and, therefore,
  >>> infringement of copyright to let someone else use it.
  >>>
  >>> Thanks,
  >>>
  >>> Rod
  >>>
  >>> -Original Message-
  >>> From: Talk
  >>> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
  >>> Behalf Of Loy via Talk
  >>> Sent: September 8, 2017 11:37 AM
  >>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
  >>> Cc: Loy <loyrg2...@gmail.com>
  >>> Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes
  >>>
  >>> If you are in the US, you never had to activate WE. I think in some
  >>> countries you had to have a dongle.
  >>> - Original Message -
  >>> From: Rod Hutton via Talk
  >>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
  >>> Cc: Rod Hutton
  >>> Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 11:01 AM
  >>> Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes
  >>

Re: question about re installing wineyes

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

Why doesn't the vfo group put out a working copy of window eyes in the 
public domain?  This is what Freedom Scientific did with jaws for dos.


-Original Message- 
From: Rod Hutton via Talk

Sent: Saturday, September 9, 2017 11:33 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes

Thanks, Carol.

That's what I assume, and so why I'm counselling caution about distributing 
Window-Eyes even though VFO claims that it will no longer be developed.
Besides, being their product, they can do whatever they want with 
Window-Eyes in the future, even resurrect it, should they choose to do so.


Best,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Carol and Roger via Talk

Sent: September 9, 2017 2:13 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Carol and Roger <carogsm...@embarqmail.com>
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

Hi Rod,

Yes, you are correct.  Even if the company is gone, the copywright is
still there.  It is the same as a person writing a book.  The book can
be copywrighted for as long as someone wishes to keep it going.  So, AI
may have forwarded the copywright which would now fall on VFO to
continue to maintain that, even though the product is no longer being
distributed.

Carol


On 9/9/2017 12:47 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Russ and all,

As memory serves, you do have to enter the correct name when you install 
Window-Eyes.
Regardless whether I'm right about that point, as much as this thread 
seems to entertain the idea of sharing retail copies of Window-Eyes, I 
think you'll run into copyright infringement if you do this.


Hth,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk

Sent: September 9, 2017 9:23 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Russ Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

It's my understanding it doesn't matter what name you put in, it's the
serial number that matters.

-Original Message-
From: Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 10:38 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Carol and Roger
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

Only sort of.  The serial number is assigned to a specific person, so
the name and any other information that is asked for during installation
would need to be the same for both people. So, if you gave me your copy
and did not tell me your information, your copy, on my PC would still be
a demo copy.


On 9/8/2017 12:44 PM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:

If I sent someone a copy of my last installation copy, that person would
still need an activation code or it would go into demo mode. Isn't this
correct?

On 9/8/2017 8:57 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk]

  wrote:

Hi Loy,

Sorry, I wasn't clear.  I was referring to why you thought it would be
okay for someone to use someone else's copy of WE simply because it was
no longer being developed.
I would think it is still the property of VFO, and, therefore,
infringement of copyright to let someone else use it.

Thanks,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Loy via Talk
Sent: September 8, 2017 11:37 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Loy <loyrg2...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

If you are in the US, you never had to activate WE. I think in some
countries you had to have a dongle.
- Original Message -
From: Rod Hutton via Talk
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 11:01 AM
Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes


Hi Loy,

If you truly know this, then, that's fine.
I don't feel as certain about this as you seem to be.
If you can explain this a bit, I'd appreciate it.

Best,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Loy via Talk
Sent: September 8, 2017 10:40 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Loy <loyrg2...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

There has never been an online activation. I doubt that you can get 
a

downloadable copy from VFO now, but if you can get a copy from someone
else then you could install it. Being it is no longer being sold or
developed then using some one else's copy would not matter.
  - Original Message -
  From: Micallef Michael at FITA via Talk
  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
  Cc: Micallef Michael at FITA
  Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 10:24 AM
  Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes


  And th

Re: question about re installing wineyes

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

I have a friend of mine who is using a copy of window eyes that doesn't 
belong to him.  He put in a phony name and it worked.  The serial number is 
filled in for you.


-Original Message- 
From: Rod Hutton via Talk

Sent: Saturday, September 9, 2017 9:47 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes

Hi Russ and all,

As memory serves, you do have to enter the correct name when you install 
Window-Eyes.
Regardless whether I'm right about that point, as much as this thread seems 
to entertain the idea of sharing retail copies of Window-Eyes, I think 
you'll run into copyright infringement if you do this.


Hth,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Russ Kiehne via Talk

Sent: September 9, 2017 9:23 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Russ Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

It's my understanding it doesn't matter what name you put in, it's the
serial number that matters.

-Original Message- 
From: Carol and Roger via Talk

Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 10:38 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Carol and Roger
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

Only sort of.  The serial number is assigned to a specific person, so
the name and any other information that is asked for during installation
would need to be the same for both people. So, if you gave me your copy
and did not tell me your information, your copy, on my PC would still be
a demo copy.


On 9/8/2017 12:44 PM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:

If I sent someone a copy of my last installation copy, that person would
still need an activation code or it would go into demo mode. Isn't this
correct?

On 9/8/2017 8:57 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk]

 wrote:

Hi Loy,

Sorry, I wasn't clear.  I was referring to why you thought it would be
okay for someone to use someone else's copy of WE simply because it was
no longer being developed.
I would think it is still the property of VFO, and, therefore,
infringement of copyright to let someone else use it.

Thanks,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Loy via Talk
Sent: September 8, 2017 11:37 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Loy <loyrg2...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

If you are in the US, you never had to activate WE. I think in some
countries you had to have a dongle.
   - Original Message -
   From: Rod Hutton via Talk
   To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
   Cc: Rod Hutton
   Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 11:01 AM
   Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes


   Hi Loy,

   If you truly know this, then, that's fine.
   I don't feel as certain about this as you seem to be.
   If you can explain this a bit, I'd appreciate it.

   Best,

   Rod

   -Original Message-
   From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Loy via Talk
   Sent: September 8, 2017 10:40 AM
   To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
   Cc: Loy <loyrg2...@gmail.com>
   Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

   There has never been an online activation. I doubt that you can get a
downloadable copy from VFO now, but if you can get a copy from someone
else then you could install it. Being it is no longer being sold or
developed then using some one else's copy would not matter.
 - Original Message -
 From: Micallef Michael at FITA via Talk
 To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Cc: Micallef Michael at FITA
 Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 10:24 AM
 Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes


 And then after installation of WE how about the online activation?

 -Original Message-
 From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+michael.micallef=gov...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of aad leeflang via Talk
 Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 12:07 PM
 To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
     Cc: aad leeflang
 Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

 ok thanks
 i used window eyes 9.4 on my old pc but i did not get a cd newer
than 9.0.
 i downloadee most versions.
 but how do i get a more acurate version though?
 or is there a way to copy the files from my old pc to my new pc.
 i guess not.
 aad
 On Fri, 8 Sep 2017 09:46:16 +
 Rod Hutton via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

 > Hi Aad,
 >
 > In order to install Window-Eyes for Windows 10, you require at
least version 9.2.
 >
 > Hth,
 >
 > Rod
 >
 > -Original Message-
 > From: Talk
 > [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On
 > Behalf O

Re: question about re installing wineyes

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

Why?

On 9/9/2017 9:11 PM, Josh Kennedy via Talk wrote:
> when stuff is no longer supported it should really be open source 
> otherwise it will be lost to time.
> 
> On 9/9/2017 12:47 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
>> Hi Russ and all,
>>
>> As memory serves, you do have to enter the correct name when you 
>> install Window-Eyes.
>> Regardless whether I'm right about that point, as much as this thread 
>> seems to entertain the idea of sharing retail copies of Window-Eyes, I 
>> think you'll run into copyright infringement if you do this.
>>
>> Hth,
>>
>> Rod
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk 
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
>> Sent: September 9, 2017 9:23 AM
>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
>> Cc: Russ Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes
>>
>> It's my understanding it doesn't matter what name you put in, it's the
>> serial number that matters.
>>
>> -----Original Message-
>> From: Carol and Roger via Talk
>> Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 10:38 AM
>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Cc: Carol and Roger
>> Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes
>>
>> Only sort of.  The serial number is assigned to a specific person, so
>> the name and any other information that is asked for during installation
>> would need to be the same for both people. So, if you gave me your copy
>> and did not tell me your information, your copy, on my PC would still be
>> a demo copy.
>>
>>
>> On 9/8/2017 12:44 PM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:
>>> If I sent someone a copy of my last installation copy, that person would
>>> still need an activation code or it would go into demo mode. Isn't this
>>> correct?
>>>
>>> On 9/8/2017 8:57 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk]
>>>
>>>   wrote:
>>>> Hi Loy,
>>>>
>>>> Sorry, I wasn't clear.  I was referring to why you thought it would be
>>>> okay for someone to use someone else's copy of WE simply because it was
>>>> no longer being developed.
>>>> I would think it is still the property of VFO, and, therefore,
>>>> infringement of copyright to let someone else use it.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Rod
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: Talk
>>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
>>>> Behalf Of Loy via Talk
>>>> Sent: September 8, 2017 11:37 AM
>>>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
>>>> Cc: Loy <loyrg2...@gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes
>>>>
>>>> If you are in the US, you never had to activate WE. I think in some
>>>> countries you had to have a dongle.
>>>>     - Original Message -
>>>>     From: Rod Hutton via Talk
>>>>     To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>>>     Cc: Rod Hutton
>>>>     Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 11:01 AM
>>>>     Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     Hi Loy,
>>>>
>>>>     If you truly know this, then, that's fine.
>>>>     I don't feel as certain about this as you seem to be.
>>>>     If you can explain this a bit, I'd appreciate it.
>>>>
>>>>     Best,
>>>>
>>>>     Rod
>>>>
>>>>     -Original Message-
>>>>     From: Talk
>>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
>>>> Behalf Of Loy via Talk
>>>>     Sent: September 8, 2017 10:40 AM
>>>>     To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
>>>>     Cc: Loy <loyrg2...@gmail.com>
>>>>     Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes
>>>>
>>>>     There has never been an online activation. I doubt that you can 
>>>> get a
>>>> downloadable copy from VFO now, but if you can get a copy from someone
>>>> else then you could install it. Being it is no longer being sold or
>>>> developed then using some one else's copy would not matter.
>>>>   - Original Message -
>>>>   From: Micallef Michael at FITA via Talk
>>>>   

RE: question about re installing wineyes

[Micallef Michael at FITA via Talk]

If that will happens that WE become an open source product that will be the 
miracle of the century.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+michael.micallef=gov...@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy via Talk
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 3:04 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Josh Kennedy
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

if we is no longer sold supported or activated then maybe we should try and get 
its source code and put it up on github so others can develop window eyes as an 
open source project.



On 9/8/2017 12:55 PM, Loy via Talk wrote:
> If you use a purchased fully downloaded copy of WE  or a CD that copy will 
> have the Serial number included in the installation copy and there is not an 
> activation. If you are talking about the Free for office version, I don't 
> know how this was activated. But purchased copies never had to be activated, 
> you could install on as many computers as you wish. WE is no longer sold, 
> supported, updated.
>- Original Message -
>From: brice Mijares via Talk
>To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
>Cc: brice Mijares
>Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 12:44 PM
>Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes
>
>
>If I sent someone a copy of my last installation copy, that person would
>still need an activation code or it would go into demo mode. Isn't this
>correct?
>
>On 9/8/2017 8:57 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk]
>
>  wrote:
>> Hi Loy,
>>
>> Sorry, I wasn't clear.  I was referring to why you thought it would be 
> okay for someone to use someone else's copy of WE simply because it was no 
> longer being developed.
>> I would think it is still the property of VFO, and, therefore, 
> infringement of copyright to let someone else use it.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Rod
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk 
> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
> Of Loy via Talk
>> Sent: September 8, 2017 11:37 AM
>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
>> Cc: Loy <loyrg2...@gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes
>>
>> If you are in the US, you never had to activate WE. I think in some 
> countries you had to have a dongle.
>>----- Original Message -
>>From: Rod Hutton via Talk
>>To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>Cc: Rod Hutton
>>Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 11:01 AM
>>Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes
>>
>>
>>Hi Loy,
>>
>>If you truly know this, then, that's fine.
>>I don't feel as certain about this as you seem to be.
>>If you can explain this a bit, I'd appreciate it.
>>
>>Best,
>>
>>Rod
>>
>>-Original Message-----
>>From: Talk 
> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
> Of Loy via Talk
>>Sent: September 8, 2017 10:40 AM
>>To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
>>Cc: Loy <loyrg2...@gmail.com>
>>Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes
>>
>>There has never been an online activation. I doubt that you can get a 
> downloadable copy from VFO now, but if you can get a copy from someone else 
> then you could install it. Being it is no longer being sold or developed then 
> using some one else's copy would not matter.
>>  - Original Message -
>>  From: Micallef Michael at FITA via Talk
>>  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>  Cc: Micallef Michael at FITA
>>  Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 10:24 AM
>>  Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes
>    >
>>
>>  And then after installation of WE how about the online activation?
>>
>>  -Original Message-
>>  From: Talk 
> [mailto:talk-bounces+michael.micallef=gov...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
> Of aad leeflang via Talk
>>  Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 12:07 PM
>>  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>  Cc: aad leeflang
>>  Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes
>>
>>  ok thanks
>>  i used window eyes 9.4 on my old pc but i did not get a cd newer 
> than 9.0.
>>  i downloadee most versions.
>>  but how do i get a more

RE: question about re installing wineyes

[Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk]

Josh wrote:

"hey olusegun, any chance of getting the window eye source code?"

Hmm, chief, I'm not that smart!  Be that as it may, I do enjoy venturing
into the wacky world of legalese and trying to make sense of it as best I
can.  Maybe V F O will hide Window-Eyes for another 50 years; I'll be close
to being gone then and all I'll be able to do is inspect my 9 feet space and
begin creeping into it slowly.  

Oh well, in that period of time, if things continue as they are now, Apple,
Google and Windows may eat everything up.  The next generation of blind
individuals will probably barely care about throwing darts at Window-Eyes
and its long-lost friends!

Anyway, if I happen to reincarnate, I'll bring back with me a better brain
and be a lot more smarter than I am presently.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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Re: question about re installing wineyes

[Josh Kennedy via Talk]

thing is they can't kill window eyes as long as people choose to use it. 
and if people keep sharing and passing it around then it won't die. if 
NVDA can only get network installs and citrix support it'll really cut 
into the jaws profits.




On 9/9/2017 9:20 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:
Businesses buy other businesses every day to either kill the 
competition or incorporate the technology into their own product 
lines. VFO bought AI Squared to kill Window-Eyes and replace their bad 
screen magnification program with the best selling ZoomText.


On 9/9/2017 9:11 PM, Josh Kennedy via Talk wrote:
when stuff is no longer supported it should really be open source 
otherwise it will be lost to time.


On 9/9/2017 12:47 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Russ and all,

As memory serves, you do have to enter the correct name when you 
install Window-Eyes.
Regardless whether I'm right about that point, as much as this 
thread seems to entertain the idea of sharing retail copies of 
Window-Eyes, I think you'll run into copyright infringement if you 
do this.


Hth,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk

Sent: September 9, 2017 9:23 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Russ Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

It's my understanding it doesn't matter what name you put in, it's the
serial number that matters.

-Original Message-
From: Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 10:38 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Carol and Roger
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

Only sort of.  The serial number is assigned to a specific person, so
the name and any other information that is asked for during 
installation

would need to be the same for both people. So, if you gave me your copy
and did not tell me your information, your copy, on my PC would 
still be

a demo copy.


On 9/8/2017 12:44 PM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:
If I sent someone a copy of my last installation copy, that person 
would
still need an activation code or it would go into demo mode. Isn't 
this

correct?

On 9/8/2017 8:57 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk]

  wrote:

Hi Loy,

Sorry, I wasn't clear.  I was referring to why you thought it 
would be
okay for someone to use someone else's copy of WE simply because 
it was

no longer being developed.
I would think it is still the property of VFO, and, therefore,
infringement of copyright to let someone else use it.

Thanks,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Loy via Talk
Sent: September 8, 2017 11:37 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Loy <loyrg2...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

If you are in the US, you never had to activate WE. I think in some
countries you had to have a dongle.
    - Original Message -
    From: Rod Hutton via Talk
    To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
    Cc: Rod Hutton
    Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 11:01 AM
    Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes


    Hi Loy,

    If you truly know this, then, that's fine.
    I don't feel as certain about this as you seem to be.
    If you can explain this a bit, I'd appreciate it.

    Best,

    Rod

    -Original Message-
    From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Loy via Talk
    Sent: September 8, 2017 10:40 AM
    To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
    Cc: Loy <loyrg2...@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

    There has never been an online activation. I doubt that you 
can get a
downloadable copy from VFO now, but if you can get a copy from 
someone

else then you could install it. Being it is no longer being sold or
developed then using some one else's copy would not matter.
  - Original Message -
  From: Micallef Michael at FITA via Talk
  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
  Cc: Micallef Michael at FITA
  Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 10:24 AM
  Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes


  And then after installation of WE how about the online 
activation?


  -Original Message-
  From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+michael.micallef=gov...@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On

Behalf Of aad leeflang via Talk
  Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 12:07 PM
  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
      Cc: aad leeflang
  Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

  ok thanks
  i used window eyes 9.4 on my old pc but i did not get a cd 
newer

than 9.0.
  i downloadee most versions.
  but how do i get a more acurate version though?
  or is there a way to copy the files from my old pc to my new 
pc.

  i guess not.

Re: question about re installing wineyes

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

Businesses buy other businesses every day to either kill the competition 
or incorporate the technology into their own product lines. VFO bought 
AI Squared to kill Window-Eyes and replace their bad screen 
magnification program with the best selling ZoomText.


On 9/9/2017 9:11 PM, Josh Kennedy via Talk wrote:
when stuff is no longer supported it should really be open source 
otherwise it will be lost to time.


On 9/9/2017 12:47 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Russ and all,

As memory serves, you do have to enter the correct name when you 
install Window-Eyes.
Regardless whether I'm right about that point, as much as this thread 
seems to entertain the idea of sharing retail copies of Window-Eyes, I 
think you'll run into copyright infringement if you do this.


Hth,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk

Sent: September 9, 2017 9:23 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Russ Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

It's my understanding it doesn't matter what name you put in, it's the
serial number that matters.

-Original Message-
From: Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 10:38 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Carol and Roger
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

Only sort of.  The serial number is assigned to a specific person, so
the name and any other information that is asked for during installation
would need to be the same for both people. So, if you gave me your copy
and did not tell me your information, your copy, on my PC would still be
a demo copy.


On 9/8/2017 12:44 PM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:

If I sent someone a copy of my last installation copy, that person would
still need an activation code or it would go into demo mode. Isn't this
correct?

On 9/8/2017 8:57 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk]

  wrote:

Hi Loy,

Sorry, I wasn't clear.  I was referring to why you thought it would be
okay for someone to use someone else's copy of WE simply because it was
no longer being developed.
I would think it is still the property of VFO, and, therefore,
infringement of copyright to let someone else use it.

Thanks,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Loy via Talk
Sent: September 8, 2017 11:37 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Loy <loyrg2...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

If you are in the US, you never had to activate WE. I think in some
countries you had to have a dongle.
- Original Message -
From: Rod Hutton via Talk
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 11:01 AM
    Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes


Hi Loy,

If you truly know this, then, that's fine.
I don't feel as certain about this as you seem to be.
If you can explain this a bit, I'd appreciate it.

Best,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Loy via Talk
Sent: September 8, 2017 10:40 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Loy <loyrg2...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

There has never been an online activation. I doubt that you can 
get a

downloadable copy from VFO now, but if you can get a copy from someone
else then you could install it. Being it is no longer being sold or
developed then using some one else's copy would not matter.
  - Original Message -
  From: Micallef Michael at FITA via Talk
  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
  Cc: Micallef Michael at FITA
  Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 10:24 AM
  Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes


  And then after installation of WE how about the online 
activation?


  -Original Message-
  From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+michael.micallef=gov...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of aad leeflang via Talk
  Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 12:07 PM
  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
      Cc: aad leeflang
  Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

  ok thanks
  i used window eyes 9.4 on my old pc but i did not get a cd newer
than 9.0.
  i downloadee most versions.
  but how do i get a more acurate version though?
  or is there a way to copy the files from my old pc to my new pc.
  i guess not.
  aad
  On Fri, 8 Sep 2017 09:46:16 +
  Rod Hutton via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

  > Hi Aad,
  >
  > In order to install Window-Eyes for Windows 10, you require at
least version 9.2.
  >
  > Hth,
  >
  > Rod
  >
  >

Re: question about re installing wineyes

[Josh Kennedy via Talk]

hey olusegun, any chance of getting the window eye source code?



On 9/9/2017 3:20 PM, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk 
wrote:

Copyrights can, and do expire!  That's why there are so many free books out
there in the wilderness!  Since V F O or whatever name it calls itself no
longer supports or develops Window-Eyes, any copyright it may claim, if not
now, will eventually become useless and worthless!

Have you heard of Just Click?  Well, Amazon patented it almost forever.
This patent just expired and Amazon can't stop anyone from using or
modifying it for use on any product including the world wide web.

A good question for V F O or its functionaries will be how to convince a
court that its copyright of Window-Eyes is still valid when the product is
NO LONGER being developed.  Should be interesting, but I believe they'll
lose their teeth in the process!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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Re: question about re installing wineyes

[Josh Kennedy via Talk]

I installed jaws today to check out what's new. was not impressed, 
uninstalled it. Whenever I get the money saved up I'd rather donate that 
$1200 to NVDA.




On 9/9/2017 2:33 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Thanks, Carol.

That's what I assume, and so why I'm counselling caution about distributing 
Window-Eyes even though VFO claims that it will no longer be developed.
Besides, being their product, they can do whatever they want with Window-Eyes 
in the future, even resurrect it, should they choose to do so.

Best,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: September 9, 2017 2:13 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Carol and Roger <carogsm...@embarqmail.com>
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

Hi Rod,

Yes, you are correct.  Even if the company is gone, the copywright is
still there.  It is the same as a person writing a book.  The book can
be copywrighted for as long as someone wishes to keep it going.  So, AI
may have forwarded the copywright which would now fall on VFO to
continue to maintain that, even though the product is no longer being
distributed.

Carol


On 9/9/2017 12:47 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Russ and all,

As memory serves, you do have to enter the correct name when you install 
Window-Eyes.
Regardless whether I'm right about that point, as much as this thread seems to 
entertain the idea of sharing retail copies of Window-Eyes, I think you'll run 
into copyright infringement if you do this.

Hth,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: September 9, 2017 9:23 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Russ Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

It's my understanding it doesn't matter what name you put in, it's the
serial number that matters.

-Original Message-
From: Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 10:38 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Carol and Roger
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

Only sort of.  The serial number is assigned to a specific person, so
the name and any other information that is asked for during installation
would need to be the same for both people. So, if you gave me your copy
and did not tell me your information, your copy, on my PC would still be
a demo copy.


On 9/8/2017 12:44 PM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:

If I sent someone a copy of my last installation copy, that person would
still need an activation code or it would go into demo mode. Isn't this
correct?

On 9/8/2017 8:57 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk]

   wrote:

Hi Loy,

Sorry, I wasn't clear.  I was referring to why you thought it would be
okay for someone to use someone else's copy of WE simply because it was
no longer being developed.
I would think it is still the property of VFO, and, therefore,
infringement of copyright to let someone else use it.

Thanks,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Loy via Talk
Sent: September 8, 2017 11:37 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Loy <loyrg2...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

If you are in the US, you never had to activate WE. I think in some
countries you had to have a dongle.
 - Original Message -
 From: Rod Hutton via Talk
 To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Cc: Rod Hutton
 Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 11:01 AM
 Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes


 Hi Loy,

 If you truly know this, then, that's fine.
 I don't feel as certain about this as you seem to be.
 If you can explain this a bit, I'd appreciate it.

 Best,

 Rod

 -Original Message-
 From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Loy via Talk
 Sent: September 8, 2017 10:40 AM
 To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
 Cc: Loy <loyrg2...@gmail.com>
 Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

 There has never been an online activation. I doubt that you can get a
downloadable copy from VFO now, but if you can get a copy from someone
else then you could install it. Being it is no longer being sold or
developed then using some one else's copy would not matter.
   - Original Message -
   From: Micallef Michael at FITA via Talk
   To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
   Cc: Micallef Michael at FITA
   Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 10:24 AM
   Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes


   And then after installation of WE how about the online activation?

   -Original Message-
   From

Re: question about re installing wineyes

[Josh Kennedy via Talk]

once NVDA has network install and remote citrix support it will probably 
put the high priced jaws and others out of business. free with donations 
is best.




On 9/9/2017 2:33 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Thanks, Carol.

That's what I assume, and so why I'm counselling caution about distributing 
Window-Eyes even though VFO claims that it will no longer be developed.
Besides, being their product, they can do whatever they want with Window-Eyes 
in the future, even resurrect it, should they choose to do so.

Best,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: September 9, 2017 2:13 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Carol and Roger <carogsm...@embarqmail.com>
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

Hi Rod,

Yes, you are correct.  Even if the company is gone, the copywright is
still there.  It is the same as a person writing a book.  The book can
be copywrighted for as long as someone wishes to keep it going.  So, AI
may have forwarded the copywright which would now fall on VFO to
continue to maintain that, even though the product is no longer being
distributed.

Carol


On 9/9/2017 12:47 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Russ and all,

As memory serves, you do have to enter the correct name when you install 
Window-Eyes.
Regardless whether I'm right about that point, as much as this thread seems to 
entertain the idea of sharing retail copies of Window-Eyes, I think you'll run 
into copyright infringement if you do this.

Hth,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: September 9, 2017 9:23 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Russ Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

It's my understanding it doesn't matter what name you put in, it's the
serial number that matters.

-Original Message-
From: Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 10:38 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Carol and Roger
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

Only sort of.  The serial number is assigned to a specific person, so
the name and any other information that is asked for during installation
would need to be the same for both people. So, if you gave me your copy
and did not tell me your information, your copy, on my PC would still be
a demo copy.


On 9/8/2017 12:44 PM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:

If I sent someone a copy of my last installation copy, that person would
still need an activation code or it would go into demo mode. Isn't this
correct?

On 9/8/2017 8:57 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk]

   wrote:

Hi Loy,

Sorry, I wasn't clear.  I was referring to why you thought it would be
okay for someone to use someone else's copy of WE simply because it was
no longer being developed.
I would think it is still the property of VFO, and, therefore,
infringement of copyright to let someone else use it.

Thanks,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Loy via Talk
Sent: September 8, 2017 11:37 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Loy <loyrg2...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

If you are in the US, you never had to activate WE. I think in some
countries you had to have a dongle.
 - Original Message -
 From: Rod Hutton via Talk
 To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Cc: Rod Hutton
 Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 11:01 AM
 Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes


 Hi Loy,

 If you truly know this, then, that's fine.
 I don't feel as certain about this as you seem to be.
 If you can explain this a bit, I'd appreciate it.

 Best,

 Rod

 -Original Message-
 From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Loy via Talk
 Sent: September 8, 2017 10:40 AM
 To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
 Cc: Loy <loyrg2...@gmail.com>
 Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

 There has never been an online activation. I doubt that you can get a
downloadable copy from VFO now, but if you can get a copy from someone
else then you could install it. Being it is no longer being sold or
developed then using some one else's copy would not matter.
   - Original Message -
   From: Micallef Michael at FITA via Talk
   To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
   Cc: Micallef Michael at FITA
   Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 10:24 AM
   Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes


   And then after installation of WE how about the online activation?

   -Original Message-
   From

Re: question about re installing wineyes

[Josh Kennedy via Talk]

when stuff is no longer supported it should really be open source 
otherwise it will be lost to time.


On 9/9/2017 12:47 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Russ and all,

As memory serves, you do have to enter the correct name when you install 
Window-Eyes.
Regardless whether I'm right about that point, as much as this thread seems to 
entertain the idea of sharing retail copies of Window-Eyes, I think you'll run 
into copyright infringement if you do this.

Hth,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: September 9, 2017 9:23 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Russ Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

It's my understanding it doesn't matter what name you put in, it's the
serial number that matters.

-Original Message-
From: Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 10:38 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Carol and Roger
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

Only sort of.  The serial number is assigned to a specific person, so
the name and any other information that is asked for during installation
would need to be the same for both people. So, if you gave me your copy
and did not tell me your information, your copy, on my PC would still be
a demo copy.


On 9/8/2017 12:44 PM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:

If I sent someone a copy of my last installation copy, that person would
still need an activation code or it would go into demo mode. Isn't this
correct?

On 9/8/2017 8:57 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk]

  wrote:

Hi Loy,

Sorry, I wasn't clear.  I was referring to why you thought it would be
okay for someone to use someone else's copy of WE simply because it was
no longer being developed.
I would think it is still the property of VFO, and, therefore,
infringement of copyright to let someone else use it.

Thanks,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Loy via Talk
Sent: September 8, 2017 11:37 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Loy <loyrg2...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

If you are in the US, you never had to activate WE. I think in some
countries you had to have a dongle.
- Original Message -
From: Rod Hutton via Talk
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 11:01 AM
    Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes


Hi Loy,

If you truly know this, then, that's fine.
I don't feel as certain about this as you seem to be.
If you can explain this a bit, I'd appreciate it.

Best,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Loy via Talk
Sent: September 8, 2017 10:40 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Loy <loyrg2...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

There has never been an online activation. I doubt that you can get a
downloadable copy from VFO now, but if you can get a copy from someone
else then you could install it. Being it is no longer being sold or
developed then using some one else's copy would not matter.
  - Original Message -
  From: Micallef Michael at FITA via Talk
  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
  Cc: Micallef Michael at FITA
  Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 10:24 AM
  Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes


  And then after installation of WE how about the online activation?

  -Original Message-
  From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+michael.micallef=gov...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of aad leeflang via Talk
  Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 12:07 PM
  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
      Cc: aad leeflang
  Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

  ok thanks
  i used window eyes 9.4 on my old pc but i did not get a cd newer
than 9.0.
  i downloadee most versions.
  but how do i get a more acurate version though?
  or is there a way to copy the files from my old pc to my new pc.
  i guess not.
  aad
  On Fri, 8 Sep 2017 09:46:16 +
  Rod Hutton via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

  > Hi Aad,
  >
  > In order to install Window-Eyes for Windows 10, you require at
least version 9.2.
  >
  > Hth,
  >
  > Rod
  >
  > -Original Message-
  > From: Talk
  > [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On
  > Behalf Of aad leeflang via Talk
  > Sent: September 8, 2017 5:15 AM
  > To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
  > Cc: aad leeflang <a...@tripledutch.info>
 

Re: question about re installing wineyes

[Josh Kennedy via Talk]

if we is no longer sold supported or activated then maybe we should try 
and get its source code and put it up on github so others can develop 
window eyes as an open source project.




On 9/8/2017 12:55 PM, Loy via Talk wrote:

If you use a purchased fully downloaded copy of WE  or a CD that copy will have 
the Serial number included in the installation copy and there is not an 
activation. If you are talking about the Free for office version, I don't know 
how this was activated. But purchased copies never had to be activated, you 
could install on as many computers as you wish. WE is no longer sold, 
supported, updated.
   - Original Message -
   From: brice Mijares via Talk
   To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
   Cc: brice Mijares
   Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 12:44 PM
   Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes


   If I sent someone a copy of my last installation copy, that person would
   still need an activation code or it would go into demo mode. Isn't this
   correct?

   On 9/8/2017 8:57 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk]

 wrote:
   > Hi Loy,
   >
   > Sorry, I wasn't clear.  I was referring to why you thought it would be 
okay for someone to use someone else's copy of WE simply because it was no longer 
being developed.
   > I would think it is still the property of VFO, and, therefore, 
infringement of copyright to let someone else use it.
   >
   > Thanks,
   >
   > Rod
   >
   > -Original Message-
   > From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of 
Loy via Talk
   > Sent: September 8, 2017 11:37 AM
   > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
   > Cc: Loy <loyrg2...@gmail.com>
   > Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes
   >
   > If you are in the US, you never had to activate WE. I think in some 
countries you had to have a dongle.
   >- Original Message -
   >From: Rod Hutton via Talk
   >To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
   >Cc: Rod Hutton
   >Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 11:01 AM
   >Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes
   >
   >
   >Hi Loy,
   >
   >If you truly know this, then, that's fine.
   >I don't feel as certain about this as you seem to be.
   >If you can explain this a bit, I'd appreciate it.
   >
   >Best,
   >
   >Rod
   >
   >-Original Message-
   >From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of 
Loy via Talk
   >Sent: September 8, 2017 10:40 AM
   >    To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
   >Cc: Loy <loyrg2...@gmail.com>
   >Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes
   >
   >There has never been an online activation. I doubt that you can get a 
downloadable copy from VFO now, but if you can get a copy from someone else then 
you could install it. Being it is no longer being sold or developed then using 
some one else's copy would not matter.
   >  - Original Message -
   >  From: Micallef Michael at FITA via Talk
   >  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
   >  Cc: Micallef Michael at FITA
   >  Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 10:24 AM
   >  Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes
   >
   >
   >  And then after installation of WE how about the online activation?
   >
   >  -Original Message-
   >  From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+michael.micallef=gov...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of 
aad leeflang via Talk
   >  Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 12:07 PM
   >  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
   >  Cc: aad leeflang
   >  Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes
   >
   >  ok thanks
   >  i used window eyes 9.4 on my old pc but i did not get a cd newer than 
9.0.
   >  i downloadee most versions.
   >  but how do i get a more acurate version though?
   >  or is there a way to copy the files from my old pc to my new pc.
   >  i guess not.
   >  aad
   >  On Fri, 8 Sep 2017 09:46:16 +
   >  Rod Hutton via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
   >
   >  > Hi Aad,
   >  >
   >  > In order to install Window-Eyes for Windows 10, you require at 
least version 9.2.
   >  >
   >  > Hth,
   >  >
   >  > Rod
   >  >
   >  > -Original Message-
   >  > From: Talk
   >  > [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On
   >  > Behalf Of aad leeflang via Talk
   >  > Sent: September 8, 2017 5:15 AM
   >  > To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
   >  > Cc: aad leef

Re: question about re installing wineyes

[Josh Kennedy via Talk]

you can still get window eyes from www.windoweyesforoffice.com



On 9/8/2017 10:40 AM, Loy via Talk wrote:

There has never been an online activation. I doubt that you can get a 
downloadable copy from VFO now, but if you can get a copy from someone else 
then you could install it. Being it is no longer being sold or developed then 
using some one else's copy would not matter.
   - Original Message -
   From: Micallef Michael at FITA via Talk
   To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
   Cc: Micallef Michael at FITA
   Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 10:24 AM
   Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes


   And then after installation of WE how about the online activation?

   -Original Message-
   From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+michael.micallef=gov...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of aad leeflang via Talk
   Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 12:07 PM
   To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
   Cc: aad leeflang
   Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

   ok thanks
   i used window eyes 9.4 on my old pc but i did not get a cd newer than 9.0.
   i downloadee most versions.
   but how do i get a more acurate version though?
   or is there a way to copy the files from my old pc to my new pc.
   i guess not.
   aad
   On Fri, 8 Sep 2017 09:46:16 +
   Rod Hutton via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

   > Hi Aad,
   >
   > In order to install Window-Eyes for Windows 10, you require at least 
version 9.2.
   >
   > Hth,
   >
   > Rod
   >
   > -Original Message-
   > From: Talk
   > [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
   > Behalf Of aad leeflang via Talk
   > Sent: September 8, 2017 5:15 AM
   > To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
   > Cc: aad leeflang <a...@tripledutch.info>
   > Subject: question about re installing wineyes
   >
   > hello all
   > i have moved to a new pc with windows 10.
   > i wanted to re-install window eyes but i get a message that it does
   > not work under windows 10.
   > i had the cd version 9.0.
   > is there a way to get an fresh installation cd for window eyes so that
   > i re install it?
   > there are still some issues with jaws that don't work well and could
   > work better with window eyes.
   > anyway i still don't understand why people think that jaws sould be
   > better tan window eyes anyway.
   > aad
   >
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Re: question about re installing wineyes

[David via Talk]

Big question is, of course, to what extend VFO really has taken over the 
Copyright of WinEyes. If you notice in the latest installation, it still 
says the Copyright is for AISquared. To what extend does VFO own the 
Copyrights under that company name? An owner might well own the company, 
and the right to sell and distribute the product, but it might not own 
the Copyright.


Let's give you an example. In Sweden, Europe, there is a manufacturer of 
household appliances, worldwide know, named Electrolux. You live in USA, 
and might well start a company named Electrolux US, which in turn buys 
just about - OR even ALL - the shares of the Swedish company. You now 
own the company, but do you own their buildings, their production 
equipment, or even their copyrights? Not necessarily. Depends all on 
what exactly is included in the take-over. Even the very designer of the 
laundry-machine, might be the Copyright holder, meaning that he in fact 
could let several factories manufacture slightly modified versions of 
the same machine, without asking you as the company owner.


We will turn it all over, and give a contra-example.

Canon introduced a portable, book-sized ink-printer, back in 1990. It 
later on was distributed by Brother, and I do hold HP. Difference was 
that the original Canon printer had physical buttons, whereas the 
copy-products had only touch-fields. Oh, yes, and the cover was 
differently colored from one brand name to the other. Would now Brother, 
or HP, hold any copyright to the design of the printer? Likely Canon 
still held its copyright, but the others might have copyright on the 
midifications in appearance, as well as the modification they had in the 
drivers or electronic modifications they might have agreed on inside the 
unit. Each of the actors could have ended the sale of the unit at any 
given time, leaving the others the fuller market share.


Exactly

     WHAT

did VFO buy? The company, OK. But did they buy the actual product? Do 
they have the code dug down in some drawer? Or, did Doug throw it into 
his briefcase, the day he cleaned out his office? What was in that merge?


My greatest suggestion here, would be if someone would be kind to call 
the VFO, and ask them straight forwardly, exactly what copyright will be 
resting on the WinEyes product.


Furthermore, it might be worth to ask, to what extend VFO would ever 
take any steps toward copies of WinEyes. Specially so, since WinEyes at 
the end was given away, for all Office users.


For International users, there might be even more to the story, since 
they might be using a localized version of the screen reader, and I do 
not know if the local dealer, or translator, might have some kind of 
work on the software, that might have been included in the Copyrights. 
Instead of doing all the speculations here on the list, I do suggest 
someone check it up, and please come back and let us know your findings.


True, copyrights do eventually expire, and for all we know, it might 
expire soon enough. Patents for instance, sometimes only lasts for a 
decade. Music might only last for a couple of decades. And according to 
Gutenberg, I do seem to remember copyrights only goes back to 1937, 
unless the copyright somehow has been renewed. But even so, the 
copyright rules might differ from one country to another. Doug did tell 
me once, that some countries in which WinEyes was being sold, had 
copyright rules that contradicted those of USA, hence the localized 
versions of the screen reader would be under special applicable 
juridistictions.


I want to clarify, that I have no intention for anyone to wildly copy 
the screen reader. Yet, I do hold it would be in place, to get in touch 
with VFO - and have them clarify exactly what would apply, should anyone 
help out existing WinEyes users, who would happen to have lost their 
installation copy. In other words, the way I read this discussion, we 
are not talking about distributing anything to new, potential users. We 
are talking about those who already have had a legal attachment to the 
screen reader, while it was still being developed and maintained. For 
new, or future users, totally different aspects might be applicable. 
This might be good to stress, in the query to VFO, as it might affect 
the very reply given. I am in no position to predict the outcome of such 
contact with VFO, but I am sure most users of the screen reader might be 
interested in the answer.



David

On 9/9/2017 9:43 PM, Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk wrote:
> The "just click" may be a patent. In the US, patents expire in 17 
> years. But anything copyrighted since 1922 is, I think, still 
> copyrighted.
>
>
>
> Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
> http://lras.home.sprynet.com
> -Original Message- From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, 
> Inc. via Talk
> Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2017 3:20 PM
> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Cc: Oluse

Re: question about re installing wineyes

[Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk]

The "just click" may be a patent. In the US, patents expire in 17 years. But 
anything copyrighted since 1922 is, I think, still copyrighted.




Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
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From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk

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Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes

Copyrights can, and do expire!  That's why there are so many free books out
there in the wilderness!  Since V F O or whatever name it calls itself no
longer supports or develops Window-Eyes, any copyright it may claim, if not
now, will eventually become useless and worthless!

Have you heard of Just Click?  Well, Amazon patented it almost forever.
This patent just expired and Amazon can't stop anyone from using or
modifying it for use on any product including the world wide web.

A good question for V F O or its functionaries will be how to convince a
court that its copyright of Window-Eyes is still valid when the product is
NO LONGER being developed.  Should be interesting, but I believe they'll
lose their teeth in the process!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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RE: question about re installing wineyes

[Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk]

Copyrights can, and do expire!  That's why there are so many free books out
there in the wilderness!  Since V F O or whatever name it calls itself no
longer supports or develops Window-Eyes, any copyright it may claim, if not
now, will eventually become useless and worthless!  

Have you heard of Just Click?  Well, Amazon patented it almost forever.
This patent just expired and Amazon can't stop anyone from using or
modifying it for use on any product including the world wide web.  

A good question for V F O or its functionaries will be how to convince a
court that its copyright of Window-Eyes is still valid when the product is
NO LONGER being developed.  Should be interesting, but I believe they'll
lose their teeth in the process!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado  


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