RE: Windows 10 build

[Van Lant, Robin via Talk]

Hit the windows key and type "winver" without the quotes, then hit enter.  That 
will do it.

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Subject: Windows 10 build

Hi folks.

Slightly off-topic, but, can someone remind me how to find out what build is 
running on my Windows 10 PC?

Martha


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Re: Windows 10 build

[Martha via Talk]

Thanks!

Martha
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On Tue, 18 Feb 2020 10:12:03 -0500
Loy Green via Talk  wrote:

 windows key and type winver
 
 - Original Message - From: "Martha via Talk" 

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 Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2020 9:56 AM
 Subject: Windows 10 build
 
 
 > Hi folks.
 >
 > Slightly off-topic, but, can someone remind me how to find out what
 > build is running on my Windows 10 PC?
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 > Martha
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Re: Windows 10 build

[Loy Green via Talk]

windows key and type winver

- Original Message - 
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To: 
Cc: "Martha" 
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2020 9:56 AM
Subject: Windows 10 build



Hi folks.

Slightly off-topic, but, can someone remind me how to find out what
build is running on my Windows 10 PC?

Martha


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Re: Windows 10 Audible app?

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

Thanks Darrell. But no, I'm not using JAWS. I finally managed to get the 
help open and read the keyboard shortcuts. The enormous list consists of 
space: play/pause, control+left/right: skip back/forward 30 seconds, and 
control+shift+left/right: skip back/forward by chapter.

Regards,
Tom


On 11/12/2019 12:14 AM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:

If you are using JAWS doug lee has written some wonderful scripts for it.
Go to dlee.org
Thanks,
Darrell


-Original Message-
From: Talk  On Behalf Of 
Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2019 11:08 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Tom Kingston 
Subject: Windows 10 Audible app?

Does anyone know how to use this maze of unlabeled buttons from Audible.com to 
listen to books?
Or better yet, be it that I had it download the files instead of streaming 
them, anyone know where they are? Although I suppose they're locked up in a 
proprietary format like NLS books.
Thanks,
Tom
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RE: Windows 10 Audible app?

[Darrell Bowles via Talk]

If you are using JAWS doug lee has written some wonderful scripts for it.
Go to dlee.org
Thanks,
Darrell


-Original Message-
From: Talk  On Behalf Of 
Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2019 11:08 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Tom Kingston 
Subject: Windows 10 Audible app?

Does anyone know how to use this maze of unlabeled buttons from Audible.com to 
listen to books?
Or better yet, be it that I had it download the files instead of streaming 
them, anyone know where they are? Although I suppose they're locked up in a 
proprietary format like NLS books.
Thanks,
Tom
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Re: Windows 10 1903 Storage Settings can break Window-Eyes

[Debby Franson via Talk]

Hi Rod!

Thank you so much for this post. My laptop is updated to Windows 10 1903 as 
of Tuesday. I didn't know about  Storage Sense until reading this. We'll 
have to check to see if this is turned on. I don't want to break Window-Eyes.


Thanks for the links too.

Debby

At 09:03 AM 7/15/2019, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote

Hi everyone,

I want to alert you to a new feature in Windows 10 1903 which caused me a 
great deal of trouble with Window-Eyes until I found the problem and 
corrected it.
There is a new feature in Windows 10 1903 called Storage Sense which you 
can learn about here:

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/12425/windows-10-free-up-drive-space
The feature is intended to make Windows run better by automatically 
freeing up disk space by removing files which Windows decides are no 
longer necessary.
Window-Eyes is installed in a folder which is typically reserved for 
temporary files, i.e., within the AppData folder for the current user account.
By default, Windows 10 is configured to remove temporary files, and so 
Window-Eyes can easily be broken by Windows 10.
Now, this is usually not a problem on drives which have sufficient 
available space.
However, on one of my virtual machines, Windows 10 is installed on a 60 GB 
virtual hard drive.
Therefore, on this machine, Windows 10 decided to perform some disk 
cleanup and so Window-Eyes threw an error whenever I ran it.
Interestingly, I found the cause of my problem using Narrator, with which 
I was able to read notifications from Windows indicating that I had 
deleted files, and that I had the option of restoring them.

I thought that I was going crazy since I did not remember deleting any files.
Remembering past posts on this list from users like Netbat who noted how 
files like wineyes.ini can be corrupted, I wondered whether any of my 
Window-Eyes files were being corrupted or deleted.
Anyway, I decided to choose the restore files option from the Windows 
notification, and, after a reboot, Window-Eyes came back to life.
However, this happy state of affairs didn't last long, since, within a 
short period of time, a few minutes in fact, when I restarted Window-Eyes, 
it threw an error again.
I'm trying to think back to how I found out that Windows has a quite 
aggressive disk space manager built into its most recent version, but I 
eventually did.
One of the features of Windows I have been researching recently is 
OneDrive, which has been evolving quite remarkably, and it, too, has a 
feature, called Files on demand, which is an attempt to deal with the 
storage space limitations of newer Windows devices.

The page link I have provided above also has a link to learn about OneDrive.
While Microsoft is certainly doing a lot of work to add features to its 
software, you really have to study these settings carefully in order to 
benefit from them and avoid problems.
Anyway, at this point I want to suggest that you go into your Windows 
settings, search for Storage Sense, and turn off this feature until you 
have time to consider its implications for your own system, or at least 
adjust the settings in order to prevent Windows making decisions which you 
don't want.

I hope this helps you all in your travels. Smile.

Good luck,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

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Re: Windows 10 1903 Storage Settings can break Window-Eyes

[peter Chin via Talk]

Dear Rod,

Thanks for this information. I feel that Windows 10 is still in a state of 
flux and changeability. That's one reason I don't yet want to install 
Windows 10 on my computer.


-Original Message- 
From: Rod Hutton via Talk

Sent: Monday, July 15, 2019 10:03 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: Windows 10 1903 Storage Settings can break Window-Eyes

Hi everyone,

I want to alert you to a new feature in Windows 10 1903 which caused me a 
great deal of trouble with Window-Eyes until I found the problem and 
corrected it.
There is a new feature in Windows 10 1903 called Storage Sense which you can 
learn about here:

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/12425/windows-10-free-up-drive-space
The feature is intended to make Windows run better by automatically freeing 
up disk space by removing files which Windows decides are no longer 
necessary.
Window-Eyes is installed in a folder which is typically reserved for 
temporary files, i.e., within the AppData folder for the current user 
account.
By default, Windows 10 is configured to remove temporary files, and so 
Window-Eyes can easily be broken by Windows 10.
Now, this is usually not a problem on drives which have sufficient available 
space.
However, on one of my virtual machines, Windows 10 is installed on a 60 GB 
virtual hard drive.
Therefore, on this machine, Windows 10 decided to perform some disk cleanup 
and so Window-Eyes threw an error whenever I ran it.
Interestingly, I found the cause of my problem using Narrator, with which I 
was able to read notifications from Windows indicating that I had deleted 
files, and that I had the option of restoring them.
I thought that I was going crazy since I did not remember deleting any 
files.
Remembering past posts on this list from users like Netbat who noted how 
files like wineyes.ini can be corrupted, I wondered whether any of my 
Window-Eyes files were being corrupted or deleted.
Anyway, I decided to choose the restore files option from the Windows 
notification, and, after a reboot, Window-Eyes came back to life.
However, this happy state of affairs didn't last long, since, within a short 
period of time, a few minutes in fact, when I restarted Window-Eyes, it 
threw an error again.
I'm trying to think back to how I found out that Windows has a quite 
aggressive disk space manager built into its most recent version, but I 
eventually did.
One of the features of Windows I have been researching recently is OneDrive, 
which has been evolving quite remarkably, and it, too, has a feature, called 
Files on demand, which is an attempt to deal with the storage space 
limitations of newer Windows devices.

The page link I have provided above also has a link to learn about OneDrive.
While Microsoft is certainly doing a lot of work to add features to its 
software, you really have to study these settings carefully in order to 
benefit from them and avoid problems.
Anyway, at this point I want to suggest that you go into your Windows 
settings, search for Storage Sense, and turn off this feature until you have 
time to consider its implications for your own system, or at least adjust 
the settings in order to prevent Windows making decisions which you don't 
want.

I hope this helps you all in your travels. Smile.

Good luck,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

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Re: Windows 10 with narrator and jaws

[Ron or Susan Denis via Talk]

I tried NBP and found a couple of books I figure will help, but none 
actually cane close to really fmoothing my trip from windows 7 to 10.  Maybe 
my having been a GW user from vocal eyes 1.0 all the way to win eyes 9.xx 
The brain is a bit slower these days.
I have tried but not yet succeeded getting the manual from asus.  The 
problem I believe was operator errors.  Happens mor often that it should. 
RD


-Original Message- 
From: Amanda Lee via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2019 10:06 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Amanda Lee
Subject: RE: Windows 10 with narrator and jaws

National Braille Press has a lot of books available:

www.nbp.org

If someone doesn't have the manual you are looking for, you can also go to 
the asus website, find their support area and there's likely documentation 
available to download.


I also had to learn windows 10 rather abruptly too because the Windows 7 
laptop I have suddenly lotst all connectivity to networks and WiFi.  The 
Laptop is still quite functional but I haven't been able to fix the 
connectivity issues.




-Original Message-
From: Talk 
 On Behalf 
Of Ron or Susan Denis via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2019 9:56 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Ron or Susan Denis 
Subject: Re: Windows 10 with narrator and jaws

   I too am having to learn windows 10 and to make it harder, I am also 
learning a new computer which lacks a manual.  Any help transitioning from 
windows 7 to windows 10 would be appreciated.  While I'm asking, anyone have 
a manual for an asus v75n1a?  RD.



-Original Message-
From: Brenda via Talk
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2019 7:51 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Brenda
Subject: Windows 10 with narrator and jaws

Hi Listers,

Before my win7 machine dies and/or win7 is no longer supported I decided to 
learn to use my win10 laptop.


I like Narrator for most windows things but still need jaws for ff, tb, and 
chrome.


I can’t figure out MS edge which is the only internet program that works 
with narrator. It sure would be nice to be able to use it in case jaws gets 
too expensive.


Windows mail is usuable, but I still have a lot to figure out.

Any tips on Ms edge or win10 with jaws or narrator would be appreciated. I’ll 
save learning NVDA for later as that would just be too much to learn.


Thanks for any tips etc.

Brenda
Still missing Window-Eyes but trying to move on.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

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Re: Windows 10 with narrator and jaws

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

As others here have suggested, you might be surprised how much you can 
find through Google and Youtube.

On 2/26/2019 9:55 AM, Ron or Susan Denis via Talk wrote:
>     I too am having to learn windows 10 and to make it harder, I am also 
> learning a new computer which lacks a manual.  Any help transitioning 
> from windows 7 to windows 10 would be appreciated.  While I'm asking, 
> anyone have a manual for an asus v75n1a?  RD.
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: Brenda via Talk
> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2019 7:51 PM
> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
> Cc: Brenda
> Subject: Windows 10 with narrator and jaws
> 
> Hi Listers,
> 
> Before my win7 machine dies and/or win7 is no longer supported I decided 
> to learn to use my win10 laptop.
> 
> I like Narrator for most windows things but still need jaws for ff, tb, 
> and chrome.
> 
> I can’t figure out MS edge which is the only internet program that works 
> with narrator. It sure would be nice to be able to use it in case jaws 
> gets too expensive.
> 
> Windows mail is usuable, but I still have a lot to figure out.
> 
> Any tips on Ms edge or win10 with jaws or narrator would be appreciated. 
> I’ll save learning NVDA for later as that would just be too much to learn.
> 
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> 
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RE: Windows 10 with narrator and jaws

[Amanda Lee via Talk]

National Braille Press has a lot of books available:

www.nbp.org

If someone doesn't have the manual you are looking for, you can also go to the 
asus website, find their support area and there's likely documentation 
available to download.

I also had to learn windows 10 rather abruptly too because the Windows 7 laptop 
I have suddenly lotst all connectivity to networks and WiFi.  The Laptop is 
still quite functional but I haven't been able to fix the connectivity issues.



-Original Message-
From: Talk  
On Behalf Of Ron or Susan Denis via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2019 9:56 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Ron or Susan Denis 
Subject: Re: Windows 10 with narrator and jaws

I too am having to learn windows 10 and to make it harder, I am also 
learning a new computer which lacks a manual.  Any help transitioning from 
windows 7 to windows 10 would be appreciated.  While I'm asking, anyone have a 
manual for an asus v75n1a?  RD.


-Original Message-
From: Brenda via Talk
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2019 7:51 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Brenda
Subject: Windows 10 with narrator and jaws

Hi Listers,

Before my win7 machine dies and/or win7 is no longer supported I decided to 
learn to use my win10 laptop.

I like Narrator for most windows things but still need jaws for ff, tb, and 
chrome.

I can’t figure out MS edge which is the only internet program that works with 
narrator. It sure would be nice to be able to use it in case jaws gets too 
expensive.

Windows mail is usuable, but I still have a lot to figure out.

Any tips on Ms edge or win10 with jaws or narrator would be appreciated. I’ll 
save learning NVDA for later as that would just be too much to learn.

Thanks for any tips etc.

Brenda
Still missing Window-Eyes but trying to move on.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

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Re: Windows 10 with narrator and jaws

[Ron or Susan Denis via Talk]

   I too am having to learn windows 10 and to make it harder, I am also 
learning a new computer which lacks a manual.  Any help transitioning from 
windows 7 to windows 10 would be appreciated.  While I'm asking, anyone have 
a manual for an asus v75n1a?  RD.



-Original Message- 
From: Brenda via Talk

Sent: Monday, February 25, 2019 7:51 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Brenda
Subject: Windows 10 with narrator and jaws

Hi Listers,

Before my win7 machine dies and/or win7 is no longer supported I decided to 
learn to use my win10 laptop.


I like Narrator for most windows things but still need jaws for ff, tb, and 
chrome.


I can’t figure out MS edge which is the only internet program that works 
with narrator. It sure would be nice to be able to use it in case jaws gets 
too expensive.


Windows mail is usuable, but I still have a lot to figure out.

Any tips on Ms edge or win10 with jaws or narrator would be appreciated. I’ll 
save learning NVDA for later as that would just be too much to learn.


Thanks for any tips etc.

Brenda
Still missing Window-Eyes but trying to move on.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

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RE: Windows 10 with narrator and jaws

[Dennis Long via Talk]

You would be better off using Chrome with Jaws.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Brenda via Talk
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2019 7:51 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Brenda
Subject: Windows 10 with narrator and jaws

Hi Listers,

Before my win7 machine dies and/or win7 is no longer supported I decided to 
learn to use my win10 laptop.

I like Narrator for most windows things but still need jaws for ff, tb, and 
chrome.

I can’t figure out MS edge which is the only internet program that works with 
narrator. It sure would be nice to be able to use it in case jaws gets too 
expensive.

Windows mail is usuable, but I still have a lot to figure out.

Any tips on Ms edge or win10 with jaws or narrator would be appreciated. I’ll 
save learning NVDA for later as that would just be too much to learn.

Thanks for any tips etc.

Brenda
Still missing Window-Eyes but trying to move on.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

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Re: Windows 10 1803 update slight weirdness

[Loy Green via Talk]

Yes, I have this since Edge was introduced. Just check to not display again.  
It is letting you know that WE is not compatible with edge.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Joseph Norton via Talk 
  To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
  Cc: joseph.nor...@gmail.com 
  Sent: Saturday, May 5, 2018 6:49 PM
  Subject: Windows 10 1803 update slight weirdness


  Hi listers:

  Just updated to the Windows 10 update and WE is still functioning normally.

  There is one minor thing which I would like to see if any of you can verify.

  For some reason, now, when I first start WE, I get the message about
  Microsoft Edge and how to switch browsers.  Usually, this only happens if I
  accidentally try to run Edge.  Now, I get it every time I start WE.  I am
  going to check the "don't show again" box (or what ever it's called) and
  this will stop the message--I'm just curious if anyone else has this
  behavior.

  Thanks!

  -Original Message-
  From: Talk  On
  Behalf Of Tony C via Talk
  Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2018 7:50 AM
  To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
  
  Cc: Tony C 
  Subject: Re: `news about jws

  Hi, II 'm not sure about now, but back in 2003 or so there was no
  diffference in the pro and home version of  jaws other than they charged
  more for the authorization. I had a copy of Jaws and decided to do the pro
  thing because I got a pc that had windows XP pro on it, all they did was
  give me a different auth key which allowed Jaws to run in full mode on the
  pro pc instead of in demo mode. It was just another way to take more money.

  -Original Message-
  From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
  Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 9:31 PM
  To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
  Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
  Subject: RE: `news about jws

  Hmm, Carol, I paid only one price for Window-Eyes and I did not pay a penny
  extra for the pro version.  I got a one-size fits all CD, and the upgrades
  were the same when I had an SMA!  As GW Micro grave got dug, I chose NOT TO
  PURCHASE an SMA.  At that time, the small frequent updates Window-Eyes used
  to get had gone away completely.

  Sincerely,
  Olusegun
  Denver, Colorado

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RE: Windows 10 Update

[Bill Tillery via Talk]

I am experiencing the same success on two Dell machines.  It is still
working flawlessly at this time.


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+trbft=mediacombb@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Bob Tinney via Talk
Sent: Thursday, May 3, 2018 7:15 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>;
t...@window-eyes.com
Cc: Bob Tinney <tinn...@charter.net>
Subject: Re: Windows 10 Update

Hi,


I have also updated to Windows 10 version 1803 and have no problem using
Window-Eyes.


Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net

On 5/2/2018 6:42 PM, Pastor Gil Pries via Talk wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I just updated to Windows 10 version 1803.
>
> It works well with Jaws.
>
>   
>
> Pastor Gil
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Re: Windows 10 Update

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

Hi,


I have also updated to Windows 10 version 1803 and have no problem using 
Window-Eyes.



Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net

On 5/2/2018 6:42 PM, Pastor Gil Pries via Talk wrote:

Hi,

I just updated to Windows 10 version 1803.

It works well with Jaws.

  


Pastor Gil

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Re: Windows 10 build 1803

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

Womewhere I saw a message that window eyes has a problem with the inside 
builts of windows 10.


-Original Message- 
From: Rod Hutton via Talk

Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 2:56 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: RE: Windows 10 build 1803

Hi Russ,

If Windows had a problem with Window-Eyes, it would not proceed with the 
update and inform you of this situation, and suggest a solution, like 
uninstalling it.


Rod

Sent from Outlook 2010 for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Russ Kiehne via Talk

Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 9:29 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Russ Kiehne
Subject: Re: Windows 10 build 1803

To make sure I don't have problems when I update to 1803, I no longer have
window eyes running at start up.

-Original Message- 
From: Loy Green via Talk

Sent: Friday, April 27, 2018 7:15 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Loy Green
Subject: Re: Windows 10 build 1803

Some of the insiders said will not, but they also said this when the Fall
creator edition came out but I am still using Window Eyes. I guess we'll
have to wait and see.
 - Original Message - 
 From: Russ Kiehne via Talk

 To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
 Cc: Russ Kiehne
 Sent: Friday, April 27, 2018 9:33 AM
 Subject: Re: Windows 10 build 1803


 I was also wondering if Window Eyes will work with windows 10 1803?

 -Original Message- 
 From: M F Mason via Talk

 Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 11:16 PM
 To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
 Cc: M F Mason
 Subject: Windows 10 build 1803

 Hello,

 I apologise if the query I am about to raise has already been discussed.
 I do not know what happened but somehow I lost my membership to the list.
 However, I am now subscribed again.
 This means I will have probably missed some message and hence the
 reason for my apology.

 I realise that sooner or later Window-Eyes will stop working on Windows
10.
 I am about to upgrade to what I believe is Windows 10 build 1803.
 I wonder if anyone on this list has done this and what their
 experiences have been regarding Window-Eyes?

 Many thanks,

 Mike.

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RE: Windows 10 build 1803

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Russ,

If Windows had a problem with Window-Eyes, it would not proceed with the update 
and inform you of this situation, and suggest a solution, like uninstalling it.

Rod

Sent from Outlook 2010 for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 9:29 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Russ Kiehne
Subject: Re: Windows 10 build 1803

To make sure I don't have problems when I update to 1803, I no longer have 
window eyes running at start up.

-Original Message- 
From: Loy Green via Talk
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2018 7:15 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Loy Green
Subject: Re: Windows 10 build 1803

Some of the insiders said will not, but they also said this when the Fall 
creator edition came out but I am still using Window Eyes. I guess we'll 
have to wait and see.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Russ Kiehne via Talk
  To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
  Cc: Russ Kiehne
  Sent: Friday, April 27, 2018 9:33 AM
  Subject: Re: Windows 10 build 1803


  I was also wondering if Window Eyes will work with windows 10 1803?

  -Original Message- 
  From: M F Mason via Talk
  Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 11:16 PM
  To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
  Cc: M F Mason
  Subject: Windows 10 build 1803

  Hello,

  I apologise if the query I am about to raise has already been discussed.
  I do not know what happened but somehow I lost my membership to the list.
  However, I am now subscribed again.
  This means I will have probably missed some message and hence the
  reason for my apology.

  I realise that sooner or later Window-Eyes will stop working on Windows 
10.
  I am about to upgrade to what I believe is Windows 10 build 1803.
  I wonder if anyone on this list has done this and what their
  experiences have been regarding Window-Eyes?

  Many thanks,

  Mike.

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Re: Windows 10 build 1803

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

To make sure I don't have problems when I update to 1803, I no longer have 
window eyes running at start up.


-Original Message- 
From: Loy Green via Talk

Sent: Friday, April 27, 2018 7:15 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Loy Green
Subject: Re: Windows 10 build 1803

Some of the insiders said will not, but they also said this when the Fall 
creator edition came out but I am still using Window Eyes. I guess we'll 
have to wait and see.
 - Original Message - 
 From: Russ Kiehne via Talk

 To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
 Cc: Russ Kiehne
 Sent: Friday, April 27, 2018 9:33 AM
 Subject: Re: Windows 10 build 1803


 I was also wondering if Window Eyes will work with windows 10 1803?

 -Original Message- 
 From: M F Mason via Talk

 Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 11:16 PM
 To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
 Cc: M F Mason
 Subject: Windows 10 build 1803

 Hello,

 I apologise if the query I am about to raise has already been discussed.
 I do not know what happened but somehow I lost my membership to the list.
 However, I am now subscribed again.
 This means I will have probably missed some message and hence the
 reason for my apology.

 I realise that sooner or later Window-Eyes will stop working on Windows 
10.

 I am about to upgrade to what I believe is Windows 10 build 1803.
 I wonder if anyone on this list has done this and what their
 experiences have been regarding Window-Eyes?

 Many thanks,

 Mike.

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RE: Windows 10 build 1803

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Absolutely right. I went to it specifically to get msn messenger 7.0 support
whereas JAWS would not work with msn messenger 7.0 until version 7 of JAWS.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2018 10:00 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Subject: RE: Windows 10 build 1803

Window-Eyes is a screen reader much too far ahead of its time!  I'm still
sulking and running mad 'cause it's NO LONGER being developed.  When it was
alive, we always had new implementations of accessibility before the shark
did and, quite a number of problems did get fixed before bells and whistles
kicked in.  

For Window-Eyes to still work with Windows10 to this point, its developers
deserve more credit than I can truly give them!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado

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RE: Windows 10 build 1803

[Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk]

Window-Eyes is a screen reader much too far ahead of its time!  I'm still
sulking and running mad 'cause it's NO LONGER being developed.  When it was
alive, we always had new implementations of accessibility before the shark
did and, quite a number of problems did get fixed before bells and whistles
kicked in.  

For Window-Eyes to still work with Windows10 to this point, its developers
deserve more credit than I can truly give them!

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Olusegun
Denver, Colorado

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Re: Windows 10 build 1803

[Loy Green via Talk]

Some of the insiders said will not, but they also said this when the Fall 
creator edition came out but I am still using Window Eyes. I guess we'll have 
to wait and see.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Russ Kiehne via Talk 
  To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com 
  Cc: Russ Kiehne 
  Sent: Friday, April 27, 2018 9:33 AM
  Subject: Re: Windows 10 build 1803


  I was also wondering if Window Eyes will work with windows 10 1803?

  -Original Message- 
  From: M F Mason via Talk
  Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 11:16 PM
  To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
  Cc: M F Mason
  Subject: Windows 10 build 1803

  Hello,

  I apologise if the query I am about to raise has already been discussed.
  I do not know what happened but somehow I lost my membership to the list.
  However, I am now subscribed again.
  This means I will have probably missed some message and hence the
  reason for my apology.

  I realise that sooner or later Window-Eyes will stop working on Windows 10.
  I am about to upgrade to what I believe is Windows 10 build 1803.
  I wonder if anyone on this list has done this and what their
  experiences have been regarding Window-Eyes?

  Many thanks,

  Mike.

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Re: Windows 10 build 1803

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

I was also wondering if Window Eyes will work with windows 10 1803?

-Original Message- 
From: M F Mason via Talk

Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 11:16 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: M F Mason
Subject: Windows 10 build 1803

Hello,

I apologise if the query I am about to raise has already been discussed.
I do not know what happened but somehow I lost my membership to the list.
However, I am now subscribed again.
This means I will have probably missed some message and hence the
reason for my apology.

I realise that sooner or later Window-Eyes will stop working on Windows 10.
I am about to upgrade to what I believe is Windows 10 build 1803.
I wonder if anyone on this list has done this and what their
experiences have been regarding Window-Eyes?

Many thanks,

Mike.

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Re: Windows 10 build 1803

[Loy Green via Talk]

Windows 10 1803 is not out yet, it was delayed.
  - Original Message - 
  From: M F Mason via Talk 
  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List ; talk@lists.window-eyes.com 
  Cc: M F Mason 
  Sent: Friday, April 27, 2018 7:23 AM
  Subject: Re: Windows 10 build 1803


  Hello,

  In my previous message, I referred to
  Windows 10 build 1803.
  I should have said:
  Windows 10 version 1803.

  My apologies,

  Mike.

  At 07:16 27/04/2018, M F Mason via Talk wrote:
  >Hello,
  >
  >I apologise if the query I am about to raise has already been discussed.
  >I do not know what happened but somehow I lost my membership to the list.
  >However, I am now subscribed again.
  >This means I will have probably missed some message and hence the 
  >reason for my apology.
  >
  >I realise that sooner or later Window-Eyes will stop working on Windows 10.
  >I am about to upgrade to what I believe is Windows 10 build 1803.
  >I wonder if anyone on this list has done this and what their 
  >experiences have been regarding Window-Eyes?
  >
  >Many thanks,
  >
  >Mike.
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Re: Windows 10 build 1803

[M F Mason via Talk]

Hello,

In my previous message, I referred to
Windows 10 build 1803.
I should have said:
Windows 10 version 1803.

My apologies,

Mike.

At 07:16 27/04/2018, M F Mason via Talk wrote:

Hello,

I apologise if the query I am about to raise has already been discussed.
I do not know what happened but somehow I lost my membership to the list.
However, I am now subscribed again.
This means I will have probably missed some message and hence the 
reason for my apology.


I realise that sooner or later Window-Eyes will stop working on Windows 10.
I am about to upgrade to what I believe is Windows 10 build 1803.
I wonder if anyone on this list has done this and what their 
experiences have been regarding Window-Eyes?


Many thanks,

Mike.

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Re: windows 10??

[Tony C via Talk]

Hi, I went and looked and both are checked to wake the pc. Hmm!

-Original Message- 
From: Loy Green via Talk

Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 7:54 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Loy Green
Subject: Re: windows 10??

Go to device manager, locate your keyboard and your mouse, use context  key 
to choose properties s of each and go to the power management tab and check 
allow this device to wake this computer then click OK.
 - Original Message - 
 From: Tony C via Talk

 To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Cc: Tony C
 Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 8:37 PM
 Subject: Re: windows 10??


 Hi, Moveing the mouse does nothing.

 -Original Message- 
 From: net bat via Talk

 Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 6:20 PM
 To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Cc: net bat
 Subject: Re: windows 10??

 you have to move the mouse then it will wake up.

 -Original Message- 
 From: Tony C via Talk

 Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 3:31 PM
 To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Cc: Tony C
 Subject: windows 10??

 Hello guys, I have a del XPS desktop running windows 10. I have the latest
 version of jaws. When my pc goes to sleep I cannot get it to wake again
 without
 using the power button to force a restart. Why might this be happening.
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Re: windows 10??

[Tony C via Talk]

Hi, yes, it's set to sleep, or at least it was. I changed it to never sleep 
because I can't ever get it to wake it's ass up. lol


-Original Message- 
From: net bat via Talk

Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 7:42 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: net bat
Subject: Re: windows 10??

are you sure the power settings in the control panel is set to sleep? it 
might

be set to shut down in x number of minutes or hours instead.
in this case you would have to press the power button to turn it back on.

-Original Message- 
From: Tony C via Talk

Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 5:37 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Tony C
Subject: Re: windows 10??

Hi, Moveing the mouse does nothing.

-Original Message- 
From: net bat via Talk

Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 6:20 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: net bat
Subject: Re: windows 10??

you have to move the mouse then it will wake up.

-Original Message- 
From: Tony C via Talk

Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 3:31 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Tony C
Subject: windows 10??

Hello guys, I have a del XPS desktop running windows 10. I have the latest
version of jaws. When my pc goes to sleep I cannot get it to wake again
without
using the power button to force a restart. Why might this be happening.
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Re: windows 10??

[Loy Green via Talk]

Go to device manager, locate your keyboard and your mouse, use context  key to 
choose properties s of each and go to the power management tab and check allow 
this device to wake this computer then click OK.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Tony C via Talk 
  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
  Cc: Tony C 
  Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 8:37 PM
  Subject: Re: windows 10??


  Hi, Moveing the mouse does nothing.

  -Original Message- 
  From: net bat via Talk
  Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 6:20 PM
  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
  Cc: net bat
  Subject: Re: windows 10??

  you have to move the mouse then it will wake up.

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  From: Tony C via Talk
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  Subject: windows 10??

  Hello guys, I have a del XPS desktop running windows 10. I have the latest
  version of jaws. When my pc goes to sleep I cannot get it to wake again 
  without
  using the power button to force a restart. Why might this be happening.
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Re: windows 10??

[net bat via Talk]

are you sure the power settings in the control panel is set to sleep? it might 
be set to shut down in x number of minutes or hours instead.

in this case you would have to press the power button to turn it back on.

-Original Message- 
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Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 5:37 PM
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Subject: Re: windows 10??

Hi, Moveing the mouse does nothing.

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Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 6:20 PM
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Subject: Re: windows 10??

you have to move the mouse then it will wake up.

-Original Message- 
From: Tony C via Talk

Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 3:31 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Tony C
Subject: windows 10??

Hello guys, I have a del XPS desktop running windows 10. I have the latest
version of jaws. When my pc goes to sleep I cannot get it to wake again
without
using the power button to force a restart. Why might this be happening.
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Re: windows 10??

[Tony C via Talk]

Hi, Moveing the mouse does nothing.

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Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 6:20 PM
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Subject: Re: windows 10??

you have to move the mouse then it will wake up.

-Original Message- 
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Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 3:31 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Tony C
Subject: windows 10??

Hello guys, I have a del XPS desktop running windows 10. I have the latest
version of jaws. When my pc goes to sleep I cannot get it to wake again 
without

using the power button to force a restart. Why might this be happening.
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Re: windows 10??

[net bat via Talk]

you have to move the mouse then it will wake up.

-Original Message- 
From: Tony C via Talk

Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 3:31 PM
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Cc: Tony C
Subject: windows 10??

Hello guys, I have a del XPS desktop running windows 10. I have the latest 
version of jaws. When my pc goes to sleep I cannot get it to wake again without 
using the power button to force a restart. Why might this be happening.

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Re: Windows-10 Upgrade Question

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Butch,

Thanks for the info regarding supervisors in your other post; maybe I’ll call 
the Disability Answer Desk on Monday and see if they can give me an extension.
Thanks for the suggestion regarding the USB stick, although I think I’ll be 
still out of luck since most PCs don’t look to the USB ports for installation 
media unless they’ve been configured in the BIOS to do so; honestly, though, 
it’s worth a try.
Regarding your.Image for Windows problem, it’s a thorny one because of the lack 
of speech, and this is what makes the talking Windows installer so great.
Indeed, if you have your serial number, you could just reinstall Windows using 
it and then reinstall everything.
I know it’s a bit of work, but it is a solution.
Although I appreciate your confidence in my expertise, to be honest, I try to 
avoid setting up new hardware because of the problems we’re discussing.
As I mentioned to you a while back, this is where the virtual machine comes in 
handy since it’s simply a matter of installing it once, and, as long as you 
back it up wherever, you’ll have it forever. 

Best,

Rod

Sent from my iPod

> On Jan 13, 2018, at 8:21 PM, Butch Bussen via Talk 
>  wrote:
> 
> For a long time I have used a program called image for windows which works 
> very well for making an image of a drive.  I use to boot from a dos disk and 
> restore back to the windows drive that way.  You can not of course run it 
> from within windows to restore the same system, which brings me to my sort of 
> problem.  I had to buy their latest version as I wanted to back up my seven 
> partition before I upgraded, just in case.
> 
> I have used the talking windows seven boot disk, but never had any luck 
> getting my  image for windows program to run there to restore an image, as it 
> has to be installed.  Hope all this is making sense.  I have not tried their 
> newest version yet.  They do give you a way to automatically create a 
> bootable cd to restore an image, which of course doesn't have any speech.  I 
> think their manual says it is a version of xp which runs their program.  What 
> I'm wanting to do is to somehow make their cd come up talking, or find some 
> way to run the image program from the talking windows seven boot cd.
> Just wondering if you've ever used this program.  it is similar to and the 
> closest thing I've found to ghost which I used long long ago.  If you are at 
> all interested in taking a look, I can send you the manual or whatever else 
> you might need.  You are much much better at this sort of thing than I am.
> 
> Thanks.  Good luck on your upgrade.  Later.
> 
> BTW, I read somewhere that after the deadline, supervisors could still give 
> permission to do an upgrade.
> 
> 
> 73
> Butch
> WA0VJR
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RE: Windows-10 Upgrade Question

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

I used their media creater and put it on a usb drive.  Don't know if 
that would help or not.

73
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On Fri, 12 Jan 2018, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:


Hi Butch,

Sorry you had to go through all that crap.
Same thing happened to me the other day trying to upgrade a machine.
Now I'm stuck waiting for a gadget needed to connect a burner to my other 
machine since the only burner I had was the one on the machine I tried to 
upgrade.
Oops!
Therefore, I have no way to burn the Windows 10 media to a disk before the 16th.
Looks like that machine will have to remain at Windows 7 once I get my part and 
I can burn Bryan Smart's Talking Windows pre-installation disk which allows the 
installation of Windows 7.
I ain't gonna cry over this. (smile)
Of course, there is the possibility that Microsoft might offer another 
extension of the free upgrade.

Best,

Rod

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: January 11, 2018 7:54 PM
To: Nick Sarames via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Butch Bussen <but...@shellworld.net>
Subject: Re: Windows-10 Upgrade Question

Yep, Rod is right.  pro is $200 after the cut off date.  I upgraded a couple of 
my machines just because.  Not my main ones yet.  Had lots of problems, long 
long story.  In neither case would the upgrade program work.  had to use their 
media creater and get full version and then did upgrade from that.  Also, in 
both cases, window-eyes seemed to have a conflict leaving it.  Had to do a 
uninstall and reinstall.  First machine I had we set to run at startup and it 
just put the machine in a loop rebooting, so had to blow that completely away, 
so no way to go back to seven on that one.  On the second machine, I set it not 
to run.
When I tried, locked up the machine, so I just rebooted.  Are we having fun yet?
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


rOn Thu, 11 Jan 2018, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:


Thanks Rod, I realize there are issues with WE & 10, but as far as you
know, can WE handle the basics?  My hope was to be able to get
comfortable (somewhat) with 10 before tackling Jaws.

On 1/11/2018 7:12 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Nick,

Well, all I can do is recommend that you read the following page carefully and 
I believe you will conclude that the upgrade is free until Jan. 16, and, after 
then, you'll be paying the usual cost of the version of Windows 10 you require:

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/accessibility/windows10upgrade

Best,

Rod

-Original Message-
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[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: January 11, 2018 3:23 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Nick Sarames <nicksara...@msn.com>
Subject: Windows-10 Upgrade Question

This is sort of one of those questions where, Mommy says no,  but I'm
hoping Daddy will say yes.  I clicked on the Windows-10 upgrade, and
I'm given the choice to run or save.  I'd like to be able to save the
file until after the free upgrade has passed (when a 3rd party (my
sighted
friend) can assist me.  A rep from Microsoft disability says my
request cannot be accomplished.  Is this true?  Is there any other
way around it?  And while I'm at it, how much will this upgrade cost
after the deadline?  Please Daddy?  Thanks in advance.

Nick
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RE: Windows-10 Upgrade Question

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

For a long time I have used a program called image for windows which works 
very well for making an image of a drive.  I use to boot from a dos disk 
and restore back to the windows drive that way.  You can not of course run 
it from within windows to restore the same system, which brings me to my 
sort of problem.  I had to buy their latest version as I wanted to back up 
my seven partition before I upgraded, just in case.


I have used the talking windows seven boot disk, but never had any luck 
getting my  image for windows program to run there to restore an image, as 
it has to be installed.  Hope all this is making sense.  I have not tried 
their newest version yet.  They do give you a way to automatically create 
a bootable cd to restore an image, which of course doesn't have any 
speech.  I think their manual says it is a version of xp which runs their 
program.  What I'm wanting to do is to somehow make their cd come up 
talking, or find some way to run the image program from the talking 
windows seven boot cd.
Just wondering if you've ever used this program.  it is similar to and the 
closest thing I've found to ghost which I used long long ago.  If you are 
at all interested in taking a look, I can send you the manual or whatever 
else you might need.  You are much much better at this sort of thing than 
I am.


Thanks.  Good luck on your upgrade.  Later.

BTW, I read somewhere that after the deadline, supervisors could still 
give permission to do an upgrade.



73
Butch
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Re: Windows 10 creater upgrade and window eyes 9.5.4

[Loy Green via Talk]

After you do an emergency uninstall from the WE CD, you can go to%appdata% and 
delete the GWMicro folder.  When I updated to the Fall Creator I had WE 9.5.4 
and I did not have to uninstall it.  I did have to uninstall ZT.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Russ Kiehne via Talk 
  To: cov...@ccs.covici.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
  Cc: Russ Kiehne 
  Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 9:58 AM
  Subject: Re: Windows 10 creater upgrade and window eyes 9.5.4


  It's probably in the windows registry.

  -Original Message- 
  From: John Covici via Talk
  Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 10:23 PM
  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
  Cc: John Covici
  Subject: Re: Windows 10 creater upgrade and window eyes 9.5.4

  Windows seems to be very fussy about if you have any old versions
  around, not installed, but in even a .zip file or in a folder anywhere
  on your drive -- see if you can find them and remove  them all and try
  again.

  On Sat, 13 Jan 2018 00:48:49 -0500,
  David Crowell via Talk wrote:
  >
  > Hi I have been trying for several weeks to do the windows 10 upgrade to
  > creator but am having no luck.  I have had sighted assistance and still 
  > can
  > not get things to install properly.  Here is the issue.
  > I know wE had to be removed for the installation so that was done.  Then 
  > the
  > download and install of creator was taking place when I got a message 
  > saying
  > WE 9.1 and 9.2 had to be removed from the computer before creator could
  > install.
  >
  > This makes no sense at all because in the add remove programs WE 9.5.4 is
  > the only WE program on this computer.  WE was installed from a disc so I 
  > am
  > at my wits end on how to get creator downloaded and installed.
  > Any help would be greatly appreciated because I am tired of getting 
  > messages
  > constantly saying windows creator can not be installed and to click this
  > link to fix the issue.  Yes, this has been done several times but 
  > constantly
  > get the message about older versions of WE.
  >
  > Any help will be greatly appreciated.
  >
  >
  > Dave
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Re: Windows 10 creater upgrade and window eyes 9.5.4

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

It's probably in the windows registry.

-Original Message- 
From: John Covici via Talk

Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 10:23 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: John Covici
Subject: Re: Windows 10 creater upgrade and window eyes 9.5.4

Windows seems to be very fussy about if you have any old versions
around, not installed, but in even a .zip file or in a folder anywhere
on your drive -- see if you can find them and remove  them all and try
again.

On Sat, 13 Jan 2018 00:48:49 -0500,
David Crowell via Talk wrote:


Hi I have been trying for several weeks to do the windows 10 upgrade to
creator but am having no luck.  I have had sighted assistance and still 
can

not get things to install properly.  Here is the issue.
I know wE had to be removed for the installation so that was done.  Then 
the
download and install of creator was taking place when I got a message 
saying

WE 9.1 and 9.2 had to be removed from the computer before creator could
install.

This makes no sense at all because in the add remove programs WE 9.5.4 is
the only WE program on this computer.  WE was installed from a disc so I 
am

at my wits end on how to get creator downloaded and installed.
Any help would be greatly appreciated because I am tired of getting 
messages

constantly saying windows creator can not be installed and to click this
link to fix the issue.  Yes, this has been done several times but 
constantly

get the message about older versions of WE.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.


Dave


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RE: Windows 10 creater upgrade and window eyes 9.5.4

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi David,

Yes, John's advice about removing any older versions of Window-Eyes installers 
residing on any disks on your system is right on the mark.
The same thing happened to me and I couldn't understand what was going on.
What I did was to use the search box on the Start menu to search for the word 
window-eyes.
Once I found a result, I pressed the Applications key or Shift-F10 to bring up 
a context menu and then arrow down to open file location.
It was sufficient in my case to place my Window-Eyes installers in a zip 
archive and leave them in their original locations so they could stay handy.
I found that this was sufficient to hide them from the Windows 10 installer.

Best,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of David Crowell via Talk
Sent: January 13, 2018 12:49 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: David Crowell 
Subject: Windows 10 creater upgrade and window eyes 9.5.4

Hi I have been trying for several weeks to do the windows 10 upgrade to
creator but am having no luck.  I have had sighted assistance and still can
not get things to install properly.  Here is the issue.  
I know wE had to be removed for the installation so that was done.  Then the
download and install of creator was taking place when I got a message saying
WE 9.1 and 9.2 had to be removed from the computer before creator could
install.  

This makes no sense at all because in the add remove programs WE 9.5.4 is
the only WE program on this computer.  WE was installed from a disc so I am
at my wits end on how to get creator downloaded and installed.  
Any help would be greatly appreciated because I am tired of getting messages
constantly saying windows creator can not be installed and to click this
link to fix the issue.  Yes, this has been done several times but constantly
get the message about older versions of WE.  

Any help will be greatly appreciated.  


Dave 


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Re: Windows 10 creater upgrade and window eyes 9.5.4

[Tom Fairhurst via Talk]

It sounds like you've gotten the best advice for this. If none of it works, 
you may have entries in your registry that need to be removed. Surely, this 
will not b the case.


-Original Message- 
From: David Crowell via Talk

Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 11:48 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: David Crowell
Subject: Windows 10 creater upgrade and window eyes 9.5.4

Hi I have been trying for several weeks to do the windows 10 upgrade to
creator but am having no luck.  I have had sighted assistance and still can
not get things to install properly.  Here is the issue.
I know wE had to be removed for the installation so that was done.  Then the
download and install of creator was taking place when I got a message saying
WE 9.1 and 9.2 had to be removed from the computer before creator could
install.

This makes no sense at all because in the add remove programs WE 9.5.4 is
the only WE program on this computer.  WE was installed from a disc so I am
at my wits end on how to get creator downloaded and installed.
Any help would be greatly appreciated because I am tired of getting messages
constantly saying windows creator can not be installed and to click this
link to fix the issue.  Yes, this has been done several times but constantly
get the message about older versions of WE.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.


Dave


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Re: Windows 10 creater upgrade and window eyes 9.5.4

[net bat via Talk]

try this.
if you have the w e cd use the emergency removal tool. its in the setup screen 
but you need another screen reader to find it.
if it works you will only get a message that w e has been completely removed 
from your computer.


-Original Message- 
From: David Crowell via Talk

Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 9:48 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: David Crowell
Subject: Windows 10 creater upgrade and window eyes 9.5.4

Hi I have been trying for several weeks to do the windows 10 upgrade to
creator but am having no luck.  I have had sighted assistance and still can
not get things to install properly.  Here is the issue.
I know wE had to be removed for the installation so that was done.  Then the
download and install of creator was taking place when I got a message saying
WE 9.1 and 9.2 had to be removed from the computer before creator could
install.

This makes no sense at all because in the add remove programs WE 9.5.4 is
the only WE program on this computer.  WE was installed from a disc so I am
at my wits end on how to get creator downloaded and installed.
Any help would be greatly appreciated because I am tired of getting messages
constantly saying windows creator can not be installed and to click this
link to fix the issue.  Yes, this has been done several times but constantly
get the message about older versions of WE.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.


Dave


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Re: Windows 10 creater upgrade and window eyes 9.5.4

[John Covici via Talk]

Windows seems to be very fussy about if you have any old versions
around, not installed, but in even a .zip file or in a folder anywhere
on your drive -- see if you can find them and remove  them all and try
again.

On Sat, 13 Jan 2018 00:48:49 -0500,
David Crowell via Talk wrote:
> 
> Hi I have been trying for several weeks to do the windows 10 upgrade to
> creator but am having no luck.  I have had sighted assistance and still can
> not get things to install properly.  Here is the issue.  
> I know wE had to be removed for the installation so that was done.  Then the
> download and install of creator was taking place when I got a message saying
> WE 9.1 and 9.2 had to be removed from the computer before creator could
> install.  
> 
> This makes no sense at all because in the add remove programs WE 9.5.4 is
> the only WE program on this computer.  WE was installed from a disc so I am
> at my wits end on how to get creator downloaded and installed.  
> Any help would be greatly appreciated because I am tired of getting messages
> constantly saying windows creator can not be installed and to click this
> link to fix the issue.  Yes, this has been done several times but constantly
> get the message about older versions of WE.  
> 
> Any help will be greatly appreciated.  
> 
>   
> Dave 
> 
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Re: Windows-10 Upgrade Question

[David via Talk]

Bryan Smart's Talking Windows pre-installation disk ?


Never heard of that one. Where would you get such a thing, please?


By the way, how would I get the Microsoft Media Creator, for burning a 
Win10 installation DVD, if anyone knows.


thanks,


On 1/12/2018 4:34 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
> Hi Butch,
>
> Sorry you had to go through all that crap.
> Same thing happened to me the other day trying to upgrade a machine.
> Now I'm stuck waiting for a gadget needed to connect a burner to my other 
> machine since the only burner I had was the one on the machine I tried to 
> upgrade.
> Oops!
> Therefore, I have no way to burn the Windows 10 media to a disk before the 
> 16th.
> Looks like that machine will have to remain at Windows 7 once I get my part 
> and I can burn Bryan Smart's Talking Windows pre-installation disk which 
> allows the installation of Windows 7.
> I ain't gonna cry over this. (smile)
> Of course, there is the possibility that Microsoft might offer another 
> extension of the free upgrade.
>
> Best,
>
> Rod
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
> On Behalf Of Butch Bussen via Talk
> Sent: January 11, 2018 7:54 PM
> To: Nick Sarames via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> Cc: Butch Bussen <but...@shellworld.net>
> Subject: Re: Windows-10 Upgrade Question
>
> Yep, Rod is right.  pro is $200 after the cut off date.  I upgraded a couple 
> of my machines just because.  Not my main ones yet.  Had lots of problems, 
> long long story.  In neither case would the upgrade program work.  had to use 
> their media creater and get full version and then did upgrade from that.  
> Also, in both cases, window-eyes seemed to have a conflict leaving it.  Had 
> to do a uninstall and reinstall.  First machine I had we set to run at 
> startup and it just put the machine in a loop rebooting, so had to blow that 
> completely away, so no way to go back to seven on that one.  On the second 
> machine, I set it not to run.
> When I tried, locked up the machine, so I just rebooted.  Are we having fun 
> yet?
> 73
> Butch
> WA0VJR
> Node 3148
> Wallace, ks.
>
>
> rOn Thu, 11 Jan 2018, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:
>
>> Thanks Rod, I realize there are issues with WE & 10, but as far as you
>> know, can WE handle the basics?  My hope was to be able to get
>> comfortable (somewhat) with 10 before tackling Jaws.
>>
>> On 1/11/2018 7:12 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
>>> Hi Nick,
>>>
>>> Well, all I can do is recommend that you read the following page carefully 
>>> and I believe you will conclude that the upgrade is free until Jan. 16, 
>>> and, after then, you'll be paying the usual cost of the version of Windows 
>>> 10 you require:
>>>
>>> https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/accessibility/windows10upgrade
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Rod
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Talk
>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
>>> Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
>>> Sent: January 11, 2018 3:23 AM
>>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
>>> Cc: Nick Sarames <nicksara...@msn.com>
>>> Subject: Windows-10 Upgrade Question
>>>
>>> This is sort of one of those questions where, Mommy says no,  but I'm
>>> hoping Daddy will say yes.  I clicked on the Windows-10 upgrade, and
>>> I'm given the choice to run or save.  I'd like to be able to save the
>>> file until after the free upgrade has passed (when a 3rd party (my
>>> sighted
>>> friend) can assist me.  A rep from Microsoft disability says my
>>> request cannot be accomplished.  Is this true?  Is there any other
>>> way around it?  And while I'm at it, how much will this upgrade cost
>>> after the deadline?  Please Daddy?  Thanks in advance.
>>>
>>> Nick
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Re: Windows-10 Upgrade Question

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

Thanks, I have Windows-8.1, and the latest WE.

On 1/11/2018 11:58 PM, net bat via Talk wrote:
> you need to uninstall window eyes first if you have windows 7 because 
> the video drivers are not the same with windows 10.
> you also need window eyes version 9.2 or higher before it will run on 
> windows 10.
> 
> -Original Message- From: Butch Bussen via Talk
> Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 4:53 PM
> To: Nick Sarames via Talk
> Cc: Butch Bussen
> Subject: Re: Windows-10 Upgrade Question
> 
> Yep, Rod is right.  pro is $200 after the cut off date.  I upgraded a
> couple of my machines just because.  Not my main ones yet.  Had lots of
> problems, long long story.  In neither case would the upgrade program
> work.  had to use their media creater and get full version and then did
> upgrade from that.  Also, in both cases, window-eyes seemed to have a
> conflict leaving it.  Had to do a uninstall and reinstall.  First
> machine I had we set to run at startup and it just put the machine in a
> loop rebooting, so had to blow that completely away, so no way to go
> back to seven on that one.  On the second machine, I set it not to run.
> When I tried, locked up the machine, so I just rebooted.  Are we having
> fun yet?
> 73
> Butch
> WA0VJR
> Node 3148
> Wallace, ks.
> 
> 
> rOn Thu, 11 Jan 2018, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:
> 
>> Thanks Rod, I realize there are issues with WE & 10, but as far as you
>> know, can WE handle the basics?  My hope was to be able to get
>> comfortable (somewhat) with 10 before tackling Jaws.
>>
>> On 1/11/2018 7:12 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
>>> Hi Nick,
>>>
>>> Well, all I can do is recommend that you read the following page 
>>> carefully and I believe you will conclude that the upgrade is free 
>>> until Jan. 16, and, after then, you'll be paying the usual cost of 
>>> the version of Windows 10 you require:
>>>
>>> https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/accessibility/windows10upgrade
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Rod
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Talk 
>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
>>> Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
>>> Sent: January 11, 2018 3:23 AM
>>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
>>> Cc: Nick Sarames <nicksara...@msn.com>
>>> Subject: Windows-10 Upgrade Question
>>>
>>> This is sort of one of those questions where, Mommy says no,  but I'm
>>> hoping Daddy will say yes.  I clicked on the Windows-10 upgrade, and I'm
>>> given the choice to run or save.  I'd like to be able to save the file
>>> until after the free upgrade has passed (when a 3rd party (my sighted
>>> friend) can assist me.  A rep from Microsoft disability says my request
>>> cannot be accomplished.  Is this true?  Is there any other way around
>>> it?  And while I'm at it, how much will this upgrade cost after the
>>> deadline?  Please Daddy?  Thanks in advance.
>>>
>>> Nick
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Re: Windows-10 Upgrade Question

[net bat via Talk]

you need to uninstall window eyes first if you have windows 7 because the video 
drivers are not the same with windows 10.
you also need window eyes version 9.2 or higher before it will run on windows 
10.


-Original Message- 
From: Butch Bussen via Talk

Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 4:53 PM
To: Nick Sarames via Talk
Cc: Butch Bussen
Subject: Re: Windows-10 Upgrade Question

Yep, Rod is right.  pro is $200 after the cut off date.  I upgraded a
couple of my machines just because.  Not my main ones yet.  Had lots of
problems, long long story.  In neither case would the upgrade program
work.  had to use their media creater and get full version and then did
upgrade from that.  Also, in both cases, window-eyes seemed to have a
conflict leaving it.  Had to do a uninstall and reinstall.  First
machine I had we set to run at startup and it just put the machine in a
loop rebooting, so had to blow that completely away, so no way to go
back to seven on that one.  On the second machine, I set it not to run.
When I tried, locked up the machine, so I just rebooted.  Are we having
fun yet?
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


rOn Thu, 11 Jan 2018, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:


Thanks Rod, I realize there are issues with WE & 10, but as far as you
know, can WE handle the basics?  My hope was to be able to get
comfortable (somewhat) with 10 before tackling Jaws.

On 1/11/2018 7:12 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Nick,

Well, all I can do is recommend that you read the following page carefully 
and I believe you will conclude that the upgrade is free until Jan. 16, and, 
after then, you'll be paying the usual cost of the version of Windows 10 you 
require:


https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/accessibility/windows10upgrade

Best,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Nick Sarames via Talk

Sent: January 11, 2018 3:23 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Nick Sarames <nicksara...@msn.com>
Subject: Windows-10 Upgrade Question

This is sort of one of those questions where, Mommy says no,  but I'm
hoping Daddy will say yes.  I clicked on the Windows-10 upgrade, and I'm
given the choice to run or save.  I'd like to be able to save the file
until after the free upgrade has passed (when a 3rd party (my sighted
friend) can assist me.  A rep from Microsoft disability says my request
cannot be accomplished.  Is this true?  Is there any other way around
it?  And while I'm at it, how much will this upgrade cost after the
deadline?  Please Daddy?  Thanks in advance.

Nick
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RE: Windows-10 Upgrade Question

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Butch,

Sorry you had to go through all that crap.
Same thing happened to me the other day trying to upgrade a machine.
Now I'm stuck waiting for a gadget needed to connect a burner to my other 
machine since the only burner I had was the one on the machine I tried to 
upgrade.
Oops!
Therefore, I have no way to burn the Windows 10 media to a disk before the 16th.
Looks like that machine will have to remain at Windows 7 once I get my part and 
I can burn Bryan Smart's Talking Windows pre-installation disk which allows the 
installation of Windows 7.
I ain't gonna cry over this. (smile)
Of course, there is the possibility that Microsoft might offer another 
extension of the free upgrade.

Best,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: January 11, 2018 7:54 PM
To: Nick Sarames via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Butch Bussen <but...@shellworld.net>
Subject: Re: Windows-10 Upgrade Question

Yep, Rod is right.  pro is $200 after the cut off date.  I upgraded a couple of 
my machines just because.  Not my main ones yet.  Had lots of problems, long 
long story.  In neither case would the upgrade program work.  had to use their 
media creater and get full version and then did upgrade from that.  Also, in 
both cases, window-eyes seemed to have a conflict leaving it.  Had to do a 
uninstall and reinstall.  First machine I had we set to run at startup and it 
just put the machine in a loop rebooting, so had to blow that completely away, 
so no way to go back to seven on that one.  On the second machine, I set it not 
to run. 
When I tried, locked up the machine, so I just rebooted.  Are we having fun yet?
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


rOn Thu, 11 Jan 2018, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:

> Thanks Rod, I realize there are issues with WE & 10, but as far as you 
> know, can WE handle the basics?  My hope was to be able to get 
> comfortable (somewhat) with 10 before tackling Jaws.
>
> On 1/11/2018 7:12 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
>> Hi Nick,
>>
>> Well, all I can do is recommend that you read the following page carefully 
>> and I believe you will conclude that the upgrade is free until Jan. 16, and, 
>> after then, you'll be paying the usual cost of the version of Windows 10 you 
>> require:
>>
>> https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/accessibility/windows10upgrade
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Rod
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk 
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
>> Sent: January 11, 2018 3:23 AM
>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
>> Cc: Nick Sarames <nicksara...@msn.com>
>> Subject: Windows-10 Upgrade Question
>>
>> This is sort of one of those questions where, Mommy says no,  but I'm 
>> hoping Daddy will say yes.  I clicked on the Windows-10 upgrade, and 
>> I'm given the choice to run or save.  I'd like to be able to save the 
>> file until after the free upgrade has passed (when a 3rd party (my 
>> sighted
>> friend) can assist me.  A rep from Microsoft disability says my 
>> request cannot be accomplished.  Is this true?  Is there any other 
>> way around it?  And while I'm at it, how much will this upgrade cost 
>> after the deadline?  Please Daddy?  Thanks in advance.
>>
>> Nick
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Re: Windows-10 Upgrade Question

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

Yep, Rod is right.  pro is $200 after the cut off date.  I upgraded a 
couple of my machines just because.  Not my main ones yet.  Had lots of 
problems, long long story.  In neither case would the upgrade program 
work.  had to use their media creater and get full version and then did 
upgrade from that.  Also, in both cases, window-eyes seemed to have a 
conflict leaving it.  Had to do a uninstall and reinstall.  First 
machine I had we set to run at startup and it just put the machine in a 
loop rebooting, so had to blow that completely away, so no way to go 
back to seven on that one.  On the second machine, I set it not to run. 
When I tried, locked up the machine, so I just rebooted.  Are we having 
fun yet?

73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


rOn Thu, 11 Jan 2018, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:


Thanks Rod, I realize there are issues with WE & 10, but as far as you
know, can WE handle the basics?  My hope was to be able to get
comfortable (somewhat) with 10 before tackling Jaws.

On 1/11/2018 7:12 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Nick,

Well, all I can do is recommend that you read the following page carefully and 
I believe you will conclude that the upgrade is free until Jan. 16, and, after 
then, you'll be paying the usual cost of the version of Windows 10 you require:

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/accessibility/windows10upgrade

Best,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: January 11, 2018 3:23 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Nick Sarames 
Subject: Windows-10 Upgrade Question

This is sort of one of those questions where, Mommy says no,  but I'm
hoping Daddy will say yes.  I clicked on the Windows-10 upgrade, and I'm
given the choice to run or save.  I'd like to be able to save the file
until after the free upgrade has passed (when a 3rd party (my sighted
friend) can assist me.  A rep from Microsoft disability says my request
cannot be accomplished.  Is this true?  Is there any other way around
it?  And while I'm at it, how much will this upgrade cost after the
deadline?  Please Daddy?  Thanks in advance.

Nick
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Re: Windows-10 Upgrade Question

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

Thanks Rod, I realize there are issues with WE & 10, but as far as you 
know, can WE handle the basics?  My hope was to be able to get 
comfortable (somewhat) with 10 before tackling Jaws.

On 1/11/2018 7:12 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
> Hi Nick,
> 
> Well, all I can do is recommend that you read the following page carefully 
> and I believe you will conclude that the upgrade is free until Jan. 16, and, 
> after then, you'll be paying the usual cost of the version of Windows 10 you 
> require:
> 
> https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/accessibility/windows10upgrade
> 
> Best,
> 
> Rod
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
> On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
> Sent: January 11, 2018 3:23 AM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> Cc: Nick Sarames 
> Subject: Windows-10 Upgrade Question
> 
> This is sort of one of those questions where, Mommy says no,  but I'm
> hoping Daddy will say yes.  I clicked on the Windows-10 upgrade, and I'm
> given the choice to run or save.  I'd like to be able to save the file
> until after the free upgrade has passed (when a 3rd party (my sighted
> friend) can assist me.  A rep from Microsoft disability says my request
> cannot be accomplished.  Is this true?  Is there any other way around
> it?  And while I'm at it, how much will this upgrade cost after the
> deadline?  Please Daddy?  Thanks in advance.
> 
> Nick
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Re: Windows-10 Upgrade Question

[Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk]

Microsoft has stated that upgrades to Windows 10 are automatic and are free. 
That's the upside and the downside of Windows 10. (Downside is that you 
sometimes get upgrades at times that you don't expect). You do need to keep 
upgrading JAWS, if you use that, or should be donating to NVDA, which has 
quarterly upgrades. Or you may need to learn how to use Narrator, which has 
come a very long way in recent years.



Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
http://lras.home.sprynet.com
-Original Message- 
From: Carol and Roger via Talk

Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 7:14 AM
To: cur...@calweb.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Carol and Roger
Subject: Re: Windows-10 Upgrade Question

Am I to understand that upgrades from previous os, win7, for example
will now need to be purchased and Win10 will not cost anything extra for
updates?  Or, does this mean all Windows updates will be paid updates?
If the latter is true, this would mean we will now have to pay for
updates we don't want but are forced to install.  I am running Win10
version 17.09, but am not certain whether this is the most current
build.  Do we neeed to do anything to keep up-to-date, or are updates
automatically installed?  Thanks.

Carol


On 1/11/2018 3:50 AM, Curtis Delzer via Talk wrote:

I was told by a MS individual that they would allow after the deadline,
a supervisor would be consulted, and if the software detected
accessability software, that they'd allow it through. All on the down
low, of course.
-
Curtis Delzer, HS.
WB6HEF
San Bernardino, CA

On Thu, 11 Jan 2018 08:23:24 +
Nick Sarames via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:


This is sort of one of those questions where, Mommy says no,  but I'm
hoping Daddy will say yes.  I clicked on the Windows-10 upgrade, and I'm
given the choice to run or save.  I'd like to be able to save the file
until after the free upgrade has passed (when a 3rd party (my sighted
friend) can assist me.  A rep from Microsoft disability says my request
cannot be accomplished.  Is this true?  Is there any other way around
it?  And while I'm at it, how much will this upgrade cost after the
deadline?  Please Daddy?  Thanks in advance.

Nick
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Re: Windows-10 Upgrade Question

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Am I to understand that upgrades from previous os, win7, for example 
will now need to be purchased and Win10 will not cost anything extra for 
updates?  Or, does this mean all Windows updates will be paid updates?  
If the latter is true, this would mean we will now have to pay for 
updates we don't want but are forced to install.  I am running Win10 
version 17.09, but am not certain whether this is the most current 
build.  Do we neeed to do anything to keep up-to-date, or are updates 
automatically installed?  Thanks.


Carol


On 1/11/2018 3:50 AM, Curtis Delzer via Talk wrote:

I was told by a MS individual that they would allow after the deadline,
a supervisor would be consulted, and if the software detected
accessability software, that they'd allow it through. All on the down
low, of course.
-
Curtis Delzer, HS.
WB6HEF
San Bernardino, CA

On Thu, 11 Jan 2018 08:23:24 +
Nick Sarames via Talk  wrote:


This is sort of one of those questions where, Mommy says no,  but I'm
hoping Daddy will say yes.  I clicked on the Windows-10 upgrade, and I'm
given the choice to run or save.  I'd like to be able to save the file
until after the free upgrade has passed (when a 3rd party (my sighted
friend) can assist me.  A rep from Microsoft disability says my request
cannot be accomplished.  Is this true?  Is there any other way around
it?  And while I'm at it, how much will this upgrade cost after the
deadline?  Please Daddy?  Thanks in advance.

Nick
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RE: Windows-10 Upgrade Question

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Nick,

Well, all I can do is recommend that you read the following page carefully and 
I believe you will conclude that the upgrade is free until Jan. 16, and, after 
then, you'll be paying the usual cost of the version of Windows 10 you require:

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/accessibility/windows10upgrade

Best,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: January 11, 2018 3:23 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Nick Sarames 
Subject: Windows-10 Upgrade Question

This is sort of one of those questions where, Mommy says no,  but I'm 
hoping Daddy will say yes.  I clicked on the Windows-10 upgrade, and I'm 
given the choice to run or save.  I'd like to be able to save the file 
until after the free upgrade has passed (when a 3rd party (my sighted 
friend) can assist me.  A rep from Microsoft disability says my request 
cannot be accomplished.  Is this true?  Is there any other way around 
it?  And while I'm at it, how much will this upgrade cost after the 
deadline?  Please Daddy?  Thanks in advance.

Nick
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Re: Windows-10 Upgrade Question

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

I was told by a MS individual that they would allow after the deadline,
a supervisor would be consulted, and if the software detected
accessability software, that they'd allow it through. All on the down
low, of course.
-
Curtis Delzer, HS.
WB6HEF
San Bernardino, CA

On Thu, 11 Jan 2018 08:23:24 +
Nick Sarames via Talk  wrote:

> This is sort of one of those questions where, Mommy says no,  but I'm 
> hoping Daddy will say yes.  I clicked on the Windows-10 upgrade, and I'm 
> given the choice to run or save.  I'd like to be able to save the file 
> until after the free upgrade has passed (when a 3rd party (my sighted 
> friend) can assist me.  A rep from Microsoft disability says my request 
> cannot be accomplished.  Is this true?  Is there any other way around 
> it?  And while I'm at it, how much will this upgrade cost after the 
> deadline?  Please Daddy?  Thanks in advance.
> 
> Nick
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Re: windows 10 start menu

[net bat via Talk]

you don't have to do this. another way yto do the same thing.
make sure you are on the desktop and press alt f4. this will open the same shut 
down dialog.


-Original Message- 
From: BK via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 5:19 PM
To: gw micro
Subject: windows 10 start menu

Hello, after win 10 updated itself, it left my laptop rearranged. Does
anyone know how to make changes to the start menu, or how to set it back
to its defaults? For example, from the search box, I used to up arrow
twice to get to the power settings menu where I could shut down the
computer, or put it to sleep, etcetera, , but that is no longer on the
menu. All help is appreciated.

Butch

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Re: Windows 10 release

[Don H via Talk]

NVDA works pretty well with Edge.

On 4/11/2017 9:29 AM, Loy via Talk wrote:

Until then IE and Chrome still works good for me. Not perfect, but what is?
   - Original Message -
   From: Russ Kiehne via Talk
   To: Don H ; Matthew Chao via Talk
   Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2017 9:57 AM
   Subject: Re: Windows 10 release


   And I wonder if Window-Eyes users will ever be able to use the Edge Browser?

   -Original Message-
   From: Don H via Talk
   Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2017 6:04 AM
   To: Matthew Chao via Talk
   Subject: Re: Windows 10 release

   It works the same on the new release as it did with the older version of
   Win 10.  Same level of bugs that won't be fixed anytime soon if ever.

   On 4/11/2017 7:49 AM, Matthew Chao via Talk wrote:
   > Question is: is there an update for Window-Eyes, or will our current
   > versions work with the new Windows 10 release?--Matthew Chao
   >
   >
   >
   >
   > On 4/11/2017 8:45 AM, Loy via Talk wrote:
   >> It is being rolled out starting today. However you can download it
   >> yourself if you wish from this link
   >> https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10
   >>- Original Message -
   >>From: Kenneth Son via Talk
   >>To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
   >>Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2017 8:19 AM
   >>Subject: Windows 10 release
   >>
   >>
   >>Greetings to the list.
   >>
   >>Has this creators addition
   >>
   >>  of win 10 been released?
   >>
   >>If so I want to call in and get a new coppy of the latest update of
   >>Window Eyes.
   >>
   >>Kenneth Son.
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Re: Windows 10 release

[Loy via Talk]

Until then IE and Chrome still works good for me. Not perfect, but what is?
  - Original Message - 
  From: Russ Kiehne via Talk 
  To: Don H ; Matthew Chao via Talk 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2017 9:57 AM
  Subject: Re: Windows 10 release


  And I wonder if Window-Eyes users will ever be able to use the Edge Browser?

  -Original Message- 
  From: Don H via Talk
  Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2017 6:04 AM
  To: Matthew Chao via Talk
  Subject: Re: Windows 10 release

  It works the same on the new release as it did with the older version of
  Win 10.  Same level of bugs that won't be fixed anytime soon if ever.

  On 4/11/2017 7:49 AM, Matthew Chao via Talk wrote:
  > Question is: is there an update for Window-Eyes, or will our current 
  > versions work with the new Windows 10 release?--Matthew Chao
  >
  >
  >
  >
  > On 4/11/2017 8:45 AM, Loy via Talk wrote:
  >> It is being rolled out starting today. However you can download it 
  >> yourself if you wish from this link
  >> https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10
  >>- Original Message -
  >>From: Kenneth Son via Talk
  >>To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
  >>Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2017 8:19 AM
  >>Subject: Windows 10 release
  >>
  >>
  >>Greetings to the list.
  >>
  >>Has this creators addition
  >>
  >>  of win 10 been released?
  >>
  >>If so I want to call in and get a new coppy of the latest update of
  >>Window Eyes.
  >>
  >>Kenneth Son.
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Re: Windows 10 release

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

And I wonder if Window-Eyes users will ever be able to use the Edge Browser?

-Original Message- 
From: Don H via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2017 6:04 AM
To: Matthew Chao via Talk
Subject: Re: Windows 10 release

It works the same on the new release as it did with the older version of
Win 10.  Same level of bugs that won't be fixed anytime soon if ever.

On 4/11/2017 7:49 AM, Matthew Chao via Talk wrote:
Question is: is there an update for Window-Eyes, or will our current 
versions work with the new Windows 10 release?--Matthew Chao





On 4/11/2017 8:45 AM, Loy via Talk wrote:
It is being rolled out starting today. However you can download it 
yourself if you wish from this link

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10
   - Original Message -
   From: Kenneth Son via Talk
   To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
   Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2017 8:19 AM
   Subject: Windows 10 release


   Greetings to the list.

   Has this creators addition

 of win 10 been released?

   If so I want to call in and get a new coppy of the latest update of
   Window Eyes.

   Kenneth Son.


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Re: Windows 10 release

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

The current version of Window-Eyes works with the creators update.  I'm 
using it now.  I installed the Creators update a couple of days back.


-Original Message- 
From: Matthew Chao via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2017 5:49 AM
To: Loy ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Windows 10 release

Question is: is there an update for Window-Eyes, or will our current
versions work with the new Windows 10 release?--Matthew Chao




On 4/11/2017 8:45 AM, Loy via Talk wrote:
It is being rolled out starting today. However you can download it 
yourself if you wish from this link

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10
   - Original Message -
   From: Kenneth Son via Talk
   To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
   Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2017 8:19 AM
   Subject: Windows 10 release


   Greetings to the list.

   Has this creators addition

 of win 10 been released?

   If so I want to call in and get a new coppy of the latest update of
   Window Eyes.

   Kenneth Son.


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Re: Windows 10 release

[Don H via Talk]

It works the same on the new release as it did with the older version of 
Win 10.  Same level of bugs that won't be fixed anytime soon if ever.


On 4/11/2017 7:49 AM, Matthew Chao via Talk wrote:
Question is: is there an update for Window-Eyes, or will our current 
versions work with the new Windows 10 release?--Matthew Chao





On 4/11/2017 8:45 AM, Loy via Talk wrote:
It is being rolled out starting today. However you can download it 
yourself if you wish from this link

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10
   - Original Message -
   From: Kenneth Son via Talk
   To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
   Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2017 8:19 AM
   Subject: Windows 10 release


   Greetings to the list.

   Has this creators addition

 of win 10 been released?

   If so I want to call in and get a new coppy of the latest update of
   Window Eyes.

   Kenneth Son.


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Re: Windows 10 release

[Matthew Chao via Talk]

Question is: is there an update for Window-Eyes, or will our current 
versions work with the new Windows 10 release?--Matthew Chao





On 4/11/2017 8:45 AM, Loy via Talk wrote:

It is being rolled out starting today. However you can download it yourself if 
you wish from this link
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10
   - Original Message -
   From: Kenneth Son via Talk
   To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
   Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2017 8:19 AM
   Subject: Windows 10 release


   Greetings to the list.

   Has this creators addition

 of win 10 been released?

   If so I want to call in and get a new coppy of the latest update of
   Window Eyes.

   Kenneth Son.


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Re: Windows 10 release

[Loy via Talk]

It is being rolled out starting today. However you can download it yourself if 
you wish from this link
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kenneth Son via Talk 
  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2017 8:19 AM
  Subject: Windows 10 release


  Greetings to the list.

  Has this creators addition

of win 10 been released?

  If so I want to call in and get a new coppy of the latest update of 
  Window Eyes.

  Kenneth Son.


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RE: Windows 10 email problem

[matthew dyer via Talk]

Hii,

Yes though the reading pain is off messages are still read before I find it to 
be annoine.  It is very strange.  I am using jfw 18 February update windows 10 
build 15063 1703.  Note this is the last insider build just before creaters 
update is released on the 11th.

Matthew



Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Donald L. Roberts via Talk
Sent: Monday, April 3, 2017 11:16 AM
To: t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: Windows 10 email problem

After installing Windows 10 anniversary, I wanted to experiment with the 
new email program in Windows 10, and my preferred screen reader is 
Window-eyes 9.5.4.


This program is pretty bare bones with no message rules whatsoever, so I 
don't think much of it. However, the reason I am writing is to mention a 
problem I have encountered and to find out whether others have 
encountered this and if a fix is available or some keystroke about which 
I am unaware.


Even though I have disabled the reading pane in the settings, messages 
seem to be read in the reading pane, and if I press either enter or 
space bar, seldom does the message actually open.  Once in a while it 
does, but it is very inconsistent.


I would therefore like to hear of the experiences which other 
Window-eyes users have had using this new email program.  Incidentally, 
Jaws 16 shows similar behavior for me.  Thanks in advance for feedback.


Don Roberts


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RE: windows 10 cmd command

[Jim Ruby via Talk]

I never looked in the properties. Thank you, wonder what functions might not
be usible in the older shell?


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Behalf Of Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 7:54 AM
To: Joseph Norton; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: windows 10 cmd command

Hi Joseph and Jim,

Actually, I just figured out how to fix this.
If you open the command shell, and press Alt-spacebar, you'll activate the
system menu for the command shell window.
If you arrow down to Properties, and press Enter, you'll be in a multi-tab
dialog, and you'll be in the first tab, called Options.
Simply tab to the check box named Use legacy console, check it, tab to Ok
and press Enter.
As the check box label states, you will need to restart the command shell
window for the changes to take effect, but, once reopened, the repeating of
screen content no longer occurs.

Hth,

Rod


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Of Joseph Norton via Talk
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 8:31 AM
To: 'Jim Ruby' <j...@blindsea.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
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Subject: RE: windows 10 cmd command

Hi:

I too have noticed this ever since I upgraded to Win 10 last year.

Hopefully, WE developers know about this, but.

However, right now, the only work-around I have found is to use NVDA
whenever I need the command window.




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Subject: windows 10 cmd command

Hi, 

Using the latest version of windows 10 and window-eyes when I use the cmd
command everything just repeats over and over in the command shell, Is this
happening to anyone else? Any suggestions on a resolution?

Thanks.

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RE: windows 10 cmd command

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Already done!  It affects other command windows, which is fine with me.



-Original Message-
From: John Covici [mailto:cov...@ccs.covici.com] 
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 3:32 PM
To: Joseph Norton <joseph.nor...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
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Cc: 'Jim Ruby' <j...@blindsea.com>
Subject: Re: windows 10 cmd command

OK, to fix, do altp-space in the command window, go to properties anc check
use legacy console or some such.

On Mon, 16 Jan 2017 08:30:47 -0500,
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> 
> Hi:
> 
> I too have noticed this ever since I upgraded to Win 10 last year.
> 
> Hopefully, WE developers know about this, but.
> 
> However, right now, the only work-around I have found is to use NVDA 
> whenever I need the command window.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+joseph.norton=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of Jim Ruby via Talk
> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 1:41 AM
> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> Subject: windows 10 cmd command
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Using the latest version of windows 10 and window-eyes when I use the 
> cmd command everything just repeats over and over in the command 
> shell, Is this happening to anyone else? Any suggestions on a resolution?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
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Re: windows 10 cmd command

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OK, to fix, do altp-space in the command window, go to properties anc
check use legacy console or some such.

On Mon, 16 Jan 2017 08:30:47 -0500,
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> 
> Hi:
> 
> I too have noticed this ever since I upgraded to Win 10 last year.
> 
> Hopefully, WE developers know about this, but.
> 
> However, right now, the only work-around I have found is to use NVDA
> whenever I need the command window.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+joseph.norton=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Jim Ruby via Talk
> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 1:41 AM
> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
> Subject: windows 10 cmd command
> 
> Hi, 
> 
> Using the latest version of windows 10 and window-eyes when I use the cmd
> command everything just repeats over and over in the command shell, Is this
> happening to anyone else? Any suggestions on a resolution?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
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RE: windows 10 cmd command

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Hi:

That's what I get for not checking out the properties dialog.

Thanks much!

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Subject: Re: windows 10 cmd command

Thanks Rod!

Just followed your instructions and the problem is solved!  Thanks Again,
that was becoming a bit more than annoying.

  Catch Ya Later de
.
On 16-Jan-17 08:53, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
> Hi Joseph and Jim,
>
> Actually, I just figured out how to fix this.
> If you open the command shell, and press Alt-spacebar, you'll activate the
system menu for the command shell window.
> If you arrow down to Properties, and press Enter, you'll be in a multi-tab
dialog, and you'll be in the first tab, called Options.
> Simply tab to the check box named Use legacy console, check it, tab to Ok
and press Enter.
> As the check box label states, you will need to restart the command shell
window for the changes to take effect, but, once reopened, the repeating of
screen content no longer occurs.
>
> Hth,
>
> Rod
>
>
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> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of Joseph Norton via Talk
> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 8:31 AM
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> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> Subject: RE: windows 10 cmd command
>
> Hi:
>
> I too have noticed this ever since I upgraded to Win 10 last year.
>
> Hopefully, WE developers know about this, but.
>
> However, right now, the only work-around I have found is to use NVDA 
> whenever I need the command window.
>
>
>
>
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> Subject: windows 10 cmd command
>
> Hi,
>
> Using the latest version of windows 10 and window-eyes when I use the 
> cmd command everything just repeats over and over in the command 
> shell, Is this happening to anyone else? Any suggestions on a resolution?
>
> Thanks.
>
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Re: windows 10 cmd command

[Jim via Talk]

Thanks Rod!

Just followed your instructions and the problem is solved!  Thanks 
Again, that was becoming a bit more than annoying.


 Catch Ya Later de
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On 16-Jan-17 08:53, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Joseph and Jim,

Actually, I just figured out how to fix this.
If you open the command shell, and press Alt-spacebar, you'll activate the 
system menu for the command shell window.
If you arrow down to Properties, and press Enter, you'll be in a multi-tab 
dialog, and you'll be in the first tab, called Options.
Simply tab to the check box named Use legacy console, check it, tab to Ok and 
press Enter.
As the check box label states, you will need to restart the command shell 
window for the changes to take effect, but, once reopened, the repeating of 
screen content no longer occurs.

Hth,

Rod


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On Behalf Of Joseph Norton via Talk
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 8:31 AM
To: 'Jim Ruby' <j...@blindsea.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: windows 10 cmd command

Hi:

I too have noticed this ever since I upgraded to Win 10 last year.

Hopefully, WE developers know about this, but.

However, right now, the only work-around I have found is to use NVDA
whenever I need the command window.




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Subject: windows 10 cmd command

Hi,

Using the latest version of windows 10 and window-eyes when I use the cmd
command everything just repeats over and over in the command shell, Is this
happening to anyone else? Any suggestions on a resolution?

Thanks.

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Re: windows 10 cmd command

[Jim via Talk]

Yes! I wish there was some way to get it to stop..!

.


On 16-Jan-17 10:15, Russ Kiehne via Talk wrote:

Yes, the same thing happens with me.

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Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 10:41 PM
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Subject: windows 10 cmd command

Hi,

Using the latest version of windows 10 and window-eyes when I use the cmd
command everything just repeats over and over in the command shell, Is 
this

happening to anyone else? Any suggestions on a resolution?

Thanks.

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Re: windows 10 cmd command

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

Yes, the same thing happens with me.

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Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 10:41 PM
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Subject: windows 10 cmd command

Hi,

Using the latest version of windows 10 and window-eyes when I use the cmd
command everything just repeats over and over in the command shell, Is this
happening to anyone else? Any suggestions on a resolution?

Thanks.

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RE: windows 10 cmd command

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Joseph and Jim,

Actually, I just figured out how to fix this.
If you open the command shell, and press Alt-spacebar, you'll activate the 
system menu for the command shell window.
If you arrow down to Properties, and press Enter, you'll be in a multi-tab 
dialog, and you'll be in the first tab, called Options.
Simply tab to the check box named Use legacy console, check it, tab to Ok and 
press Enter.
As the check box label states, you will need to restart the command shell 
window for the changes to take effect, but, once reopened, the repeating of 
screen content no longer occurs.

Hth,

Rod


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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Joseph Norton via Talk
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 8:31 AM
To: 'Jim Ruby' <j...@blindsea.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: windows 10 cmd command

Hi:

I too have noticed this ever since I upgraded to Win 10 last year.

Hopefully, WE developers know about this, but.

However, right now, the only work-around I have found is to use NVDA
whenever I need the command window.




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Subject: windows 10 cmd command

Hi, 

Using the latest version of windows 10 and window-eyes when I use the cmd
command everything just repeats over and over in the command shell, Is this
happening to anyone else? Any suggestions on a resolution?

Thanks.

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RE: windows 10 cmd command

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Hi:

I too have noticed this ever since I upgraded to Win 10 last year.

Hopefully, WE developers know about this, but.

However, right now, the only work-around I have found is to use NVDA
whenever I need the command window.




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Hi, 

Using the latest version of windows 10 and window-eyes when I use the cmd
command everything just repeats over and over in the command shell, Is this
happening to anyone else? Any suggestions on a resolution?

Thanks.

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RE: Windows 10 mail?

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Tony,

Here's a podcast showing its accessibility:

https://coolblindtech.com/windows-mail-using-narrator-third-party-screen-reader-not-required/

hth,

Rod

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On Behalf Of Tony C via Talk
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Subject: Windows 10 mail?

Howdy all, How useable is the mail app that comes with Windows 10? I’m using 
the latest Window-Eyes. Thanks
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Re: windows 10 mail app:

[Dave via Talk]

I've had other issues in the past with window eyes, and I too was always
told that I was the only one they knew who was having such problems.  

Now, this is a possiblity, I mean if they only have three or four
customers, this could be quite truthful.

Grumpy Dave


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Re: windows 10 mail app:

[Don H via Talk]

I have had the same issue only with Thunderbird.  I have sent in 
numerous Error reports and was told by the AI Squared staff that the 
error messages were blank.  Every time this happens the message did get 
sent.  And as it has been many times before I was told I was the only 
user with the problem.


On 12/7/2016 3:05 PM, kenny Peyatt jr. via Talk wrote:

Hi I tried sending a message using the windows 10 mail app, and when I
pressed alt+s to send the message, window-eyes crashed and I had to press
control+alt+w to restart window-eyes. When window-eyes restarted, it brought
up a error reporting dialog and I pressed enter on the send error report
button, and it sent the error report. Has anybody on this list had this same
experience with window-eyes?

Kenny Peyatt jr.

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Re: windows 10 speech in safe mode

[John Covici via Talk]

Did you start WE after you got into safe mode?  Also, you might need
to uncheck the safe mode and then check it again after restarting WE.

On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 17:00:40 -0500,
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> 
> does w e speech work in safe mode with windows 10?
> i have the safe mode option checked in the windows enhanced app
> but i don't have speech yet in safe mode. it works with windows 7
> on the same computer.
> i found a command prompt command to bring back the old safe boot
> menu that windows 7 has  useing f8 key but when i boot in safe
> mode this way there is no w e speech.
> 
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Re: Windows 10 Help

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try pressing shift control w twice. even this does not always work.
try alt tabbing away and back to the dialog

sometimes you have to try to move the mouse over the dialog contents to read 
it.
you will find many places where w e will not talk. not even with narrator or 
nvda.

and by the way you can press windows enter to turn narrtor on and off.

-Original Message- 
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Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2016 11:04 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Windows 10 Help

Hi,

I purchased an Acer with Windows 10 yesterday.  Trying to get familiar with how 
things work. The one issue I'm having is that Window-Eyes doesn't seem to be 
reading everything on the screen. I'll get to a dialog box with a yes or no 
button but I can't read what it is I'm to respond to. Is there some setting I 
need to change?


The other question I have pertains to Thunderbird.  I've decided to give it a 
try. I did manage to download the program.  I'm in Canada and use a bell dot 
net email account.  However, I get the message that my account can't be verify. 
I'm sure that I'm entering the right credentials.  Is it because bell.net isn't 
recognized by  this email client?


Starting to get frustrated so any advice would be very much appreciated.

Lee

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RE: Windows 10 v 16 whatever must have been installed

[Rick Thomas via Talk]

Thanks, that is what I now have but...
All my scripts are gone in script manager so I am getting nasty handling of 
some things.
How do I get all requisit scripts loaded back into windoweyes?
Rick usa

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Subject: Re: Windows 10 v 16 whatever must have been installed

its version 1607.03 i think.

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Subject: Windows 10 v 16 whatever must have been installed

Hi: I checked my Windows version using jaws and it is now 16.xx which means
my system was upgraded. I didn't get any questions, notifications or even
the delays booting up others have gotten so had no clue.
What all do I have to do to get Windoweyes back running with my office
subscription?
The Windoweyes Online Office Check window seems to be blowing up. I have
actually logged on to my office account and restarted Windoweyes but that
did nothing - Windoweyes is still in 5 minute demo mode as it were.
What all have you had to do after the aniversery upgrade to get your
platform back to quote normal running conditions and especially to get
Windoweyes back working?
Rick USA

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Re: Windows 10 v 16 whatever must have been installed

[net bat via Talk]

its version 1607.03 i think.

-Original Message- 
From: Rick Thomas via Talk

Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2016 5:01 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Windows 10 v 16 whatever must have been installed

Hi: I checked my Windows version using jaws and it is now 16.xx which means
my system was upgraded. I didn't get any questions, notifications or even
the delays booting up others have gotten so had no clue.
What all do I have to do to get Windoweyes back running with my office
subscription?
The Windoweyes Online Office Check window seems to be blowing up. I have
actually logged on to my office account and restarted Windoweyes but that
did nothing - Windoweyes is still in 5 minute demo mode as it were.
What all have you had to do after the aniversery upgrade to get your
platform back to quote normal running conditions and especially to get
Windoweyes back working?
Rick USA

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RE: Windows 10 v 16 whatever must have been installed

[Rick Thomas via Talk]

Hi Don: Yes. Now Windoweyes is trashed.
It starts in demo mode, only will run for 5 minutes, not enough time to do
much of anything, and all my scripts are missing when I look at the list of
running scripts  in the ScriptManager.
What on Earth do I have to do to fix this Windoweyes mess?
I am guessing a ReInstall after a complete uninstall but I don't know if
there is a recent version of the uninstaller program nor if it leavs
remnants on my computer that will screw up a new install. Also, I run the
Office version and how will that be impacted? I don't even know if I still
have the Microsoft code, key, that I picked up a couple of years ago let
alone how to ReApply it to a new download.
Any tips, pointers or an article I can read someplace with jaws which still
seems to be working fine?
What a friggn headache.
Rick USA 

-Original Message-
From: Don Smith [mailto:dsmith1...@cogeco.ca] 
Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2016 8:28 AM
To: 'Rick Thomas' <ofbgm...@mi.rr.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: Windows 10 v 16 whatever must have been installed

I think if you check windows 10 will automically update, even if you change
yourpreference.
Don


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RE: Windows 10 v 16 whatever must have been installed

[Don Smith via Talk]

I think if you check windows 10 will automically update, even if you change
yourpreference.
Don


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RE: Windows 10; printing a document

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Martha,

I've been thinking about this for a few days now, and a couple of things
occur to me.
First, did you install a paper printer yet?
If not, then your document probably went to the Windows 10 default printer,
which is the Microsoft XPS document printer, which is nothing but a printer
driver which produces a digital version of what you originally printed.
As in Windows 7, which I know you don't have, but for your info, you can
find what's going on in terms of printing by typing printers in the search
box, Cortana, and press Enter on Devices and Printers.
You could then arrow down through all the different devices and find the
different printers installed on your system.
When you find a printer you'll hear the status of any print jobs, and, if
you press Enter, you can open the printer-specific dialog and get details on
its status and cancel print jobs.
 
I hope this helps,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Martha via Talk
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 8:39 PM
To: via Talk 
Subject: Windows 10; printing a document

Okay, I have made the leap from XP to 10.  I get lost in the ribbon.
I have opened up File Explorer, have found a *.doc in Documents, and want to
print it.
With the item selected, I've tried using the context/applications key and
did not find a print option.  The Send to pulldown did not include a
printer.

I tried using control + P key combination, but, did not get the print
dialogue box.

I tried to find the print option in the ribbon without success.  

Would one of you kind souls send step by step instructions.  I'm stuck.

Using WE 9.5.1.

Martha
mrea...@comcast.net

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RE: Windows 10, Adobe Dc help, please!

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Hi Joe:

I just did this on my Win10 machine and it worked.

Here's what I did.

First, press the Windows logo key. The search box will pop up.  Type the
words "default programs" (without the quotes).  Then, press Enter.

You will be placed in a dialog where you can set certain things as default.
Tab until you hear "link set defaults by app".  Press Enter on that.  Wait a
few seconds, then press the Tab key.  You will be placed in a list of
applications.  Press the letter A until you hear "Adobe Acrobat DC.  Press
Tab twice.  You should hear "set this program as default s button"  Press
Space on that, then, tab to OK and press Space on that.

Then, any time you open a pdf file, Adobe DC should open.

Hope this helps.

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Jo Talliaferro via Talk
Sent: Thursday, September 1, 2016 9:09 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Subject: Windows 10, Adobe Dc help, please!

Hello!
I have been unable to figure out how to use Adobe Acrobat DC with Windows 10
and cannot open pdf documents with it.  Microsoft Edge seems to be linked
with it somehow and with the latest version of WE, I don't know how to get
rid of Edge.  My default browser is Google Chrome but Adobe DC doesn't know
this.  I'm stuck.  Will you offer me a solution for reading, opening pdf
documents with other software and tell me how to get rid of these pesky
pieces of software (Adobe DC and Edge?  Thanks.

Jo Taliaferro


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Re: Windows 10, Adobe Dc help, please!

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

I haven't used Adobe Acrobat in a long time. But there used to be a 
setting under preferences to open documents in your browser instead of 
the reader. The idea was that most folks were clicking on PDF links in 
their browser anyway and the browser would use the Acrobat engine to 
display the document. But I think Edge has built-in support for PDF 
files. So you may also want to open the Control panel, Default programs, 
and make sure that PDF files are associated with Acrobat.


Hth,
Tom


Hth,
Tom


On 9/1/2016 9:09 AM, Jo Talliaferro via Talk wrote:

Hello!
I have been unable to figure out how to use Adobe Acrobat DC with Windows 10 
and cannot open pdf
documents with it.  Microsoft Edge seems to be linked with it somehow and with 
the latest version of
WE, I don't know how to get rid of Edge.  My default browser is Google Chrome 
but Adobe DC doesn't
know this.  I'm stuck.  Will you offer me a solution for reading, opening pdf 
documents with other
software and tell me how to get rid of these pesky pieces of software (Adobe DC 
and Edge?  Thanks.

Jo Taliaferro


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RE: Windows 10 Question

[Charles Short via Talk]

Hello Pastor Gil, yes, down arrow until you hear notification cheveron, then 
right arrow to notification center, then make your selection, and that's it. 

Charlie Short

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+clshort=verizon@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Pastor Gil Pries via Talk
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 4:09 PM
To: t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: Windows 10 Question

Hi,
There are some notifications on the screen when I put in a CD.
Window-eyes speaks them, but I can’t get to the notifications to make a 
selection.
Is there a way to do this?
Using the latest Windows 10 Pro anivercery eddition.

Thanks for any help you can give.
Using WE 9.5.1.

Pastor Gil
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RE: windows 10

[Michael Massey via Talk]

No, the latest version should be 1607, so the answer to your question is,
no.  You're up-to-date, but your version of Windows 10 is not, hahahaha!  

Mike M. 

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+massey52=q@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Don S via Talk
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 7:26 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Subject: windows 10

Ok, windows 10 seems to be working fine and in checking the version it says
1511, am I uptodate?

Also ran latestversion of skypoe and after a little fiddling, it also seems
to work ok.

Thanks

Don

 

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Re: Windows 10, all folders view set to list or details

[John Covici via Talk]

After doing this on the desktop, I had to go out of the folder and
back in before I saw anything.  You can always do this using the view
menu -- I think under folder toptions.

On Fri, 19 Aug 2016 17:11:14 -0400,
Don Smith via Talk wrote:
> 
> Hi again Rebecca:
> First, I think there 2 dons in the list, however, I still cannot get the
> control shift and neither 5. 4. 3 . 6.or any of the keys to give me info.
> 
> I am using the latest update of windows 10
> 
> I opened the documents folder , tried the above key strokes and not the info
> you mentioned.
> 
> Perhaps some setting in windows 10?
> 
> I can live without the commands but, I do like the result you get.
> Don from Ontario
> 
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RE: Windows 10, all folders view set to list or details

[Don Smith via Talk]

Hi again Rebecca:
First, I think there 2 dons in the list, however, I still cannot get the
control shift and neither 5. 4. 3 . 6.or any of the keys to give me info.

I am using the latest update of windows 10

I opened the documents folder , tried the above key strokes and not the info
you mentioned.

Perhaps some setting in windows 10?

I can live without the commands but, I do like the result you get.
Don from Ontario


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RE: Windows 10, all folders view set to list or details

[Rebecca Lineberger via Talk]

Hi Martha,
The easiest way to set any view to details in Windows 10 and 8.1, whether on
the desktop or in Documents, Downloads, Music, etc. is to press
control-shift 6.
The numbers across the top of the keyboard when used with the control-shift
keys go from 
1 extra large icons
2 large icons
3 medium icons
4 small icons
5 list
6 details
HTH.
Rebecca
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Behalf Of Martha via Talk
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 9:06 AM
To: via Talk
Subject: Windows 10, all folders view set to list or details

Can someone please provide instructions for setting all folder views to
details in Windows 10, using WE 9.5.1

I'm getting lost in the ribbon...

Thanks.

Martha

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Re: Windows 10 upgrade for assistive technology users

[Alan Siman via Talk]

It gives you the anniversary edition.
On 8/7/2016 6:16 PM, via Talk wrote:

Hi,

Does the link to download give you windows 10 or windows 10 anniversary
addition?  Its not clear!

Thanks
On Sun, 7 Aug 2016 04:10:22 + Rod Hutton via Talk
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com> writes:

In future, to make your life easier, try this site for shortening
URLs:

https://bitly.com/

Ergo, the URL you supplied is:

http://bit.ly/2b03nG7

hth,

Rod

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On Behalf
Of net bat via Talk
Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2016 5:23 PM
To: via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Windows 10 upgrade for assistive technology users

it appears that microsoft does not check your computer for a screen
reader.
you have to find this hidden web site and download a file that will
allow
you to get the free windows 10 upgrade after july 29

copy and paste the link into your browser if it will not activate
because it
is wrapping to the next line.



https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/accessibility/windows10upgrade?tduid=(987
140
d86cc457c48e81c1d6e3c2bdc7)(256380)(2459594)(TnL5HPStwNw-gcP3sqVEUXEMbAgH
FGI

6mQ)()

-Original Message-
From: net bat
Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2016 1:01 PM
To: nb
Subject: Windows 10 upgrade for assistive technology users



https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/accessibility/windows10upgrade?tduid=(987
140
d86cc457c48e81c1d6e3c2bdc7)(256380)(2459594)(TnL5HPStwNw-gcP3sqVEUXEMbAgH
FGI

6mQ)()

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Re: Windows 10 upgrade for assistive technology users

[via Talk]

Hi,

Does the link to download give you windows 10 or windows 10 anniversary
addition?  Its not clear!

Thanks
On Sun, 7 Aug 2016 04:10:22 + Rod Hutton via Talk
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com> writes:
> In future, to make your life easier, try this site for shortening 
> URLs:
> 
> https://bitly.com/
> 
> Ergo, the URL you supplied is:
> 
> http://bit.ly/2b03nG7
> 
> hth,
> 
> Rod
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
> On Behalf
> Of net bat via Talk
> Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2016 5:23 PM
> To: via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> Subject: Re: Windows 10 upgrade for assistive technology users
> 
> it appears that microsoft does not check your computer for a screen 
> reader.
> you have to find this hidden web site and download a file that will 
> allow
> you to get the free windows 10 upgrade after july 29
> 
> copy and paste the link into your browser if it will not activate 
> because it
> is wrapping to the next line.
> 
>
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/accessibility/windows10upgrade?tduid=(987
140
>
d86cc457c48e81c1d6e3c2bdc7)(256380)(2459594)(TnL5HPStwNw-gcP3sqVEUXEMbAgH
FGI
> 6mQ)()
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: net bat
> Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2016 1:01 PM
> To: nb
> Subject: Windows 10 upgrade for assistive technology users
> 
>
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/accessibility/windows10upgrade?tduid=(987
140
>
d86cc457c48e81c1d6e3c2bdc7)(256380)(2459594)(TnL5HPStwNw-gcP3sqVEUXEMbAgH
FGI
> 6mQ)() 
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Re: Windows 10 upgrade for assistive technology users

[net bat via Talk]

i don't think ultament users are intitled to the free upgrade. only home and 
pro 7,8 or 10


-Original Message- 
From: Rod Hutton via Talk

Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2016 9:22 PM
To: 'Rick Thomas' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Windows 10 upgrade for assistive technology users

Hi Rick,

In my Windows 10 Home edition, I used Windows Update, and, in that dialog,
the Check for updates button, and, once the Install updates button appeared,
that is, after the update downloaded, the new version was installed.
Now, on another version of Windows 10, this time Ultimate within a virtual
machine, I noticed that I am still running Windows 10 1511 and it is
reported that I am up to date.
I'll have to check on that over the next while and see if thre is another
update available for Ultimate.

Hth,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Rick Thomas via Talk
Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2016 6:28 PM
To: 'net bat' <net...@comcast.net>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: Windows 10 upgrade for assistive technology users

Hi Rod et All:
I run windows 10 v 1511 I think with WE 9.5 I think.
As mentioned we need to get the W10 anniversery edition for screen readers.
Did you download the Media Creation tool you posted the url to and how does
that work to download the free upgrade or does it?
Does the Media Creation tool have you enter the url of the free version for
screen reader users or what does the process look or sound like as you
download and install?
I am running W 8.1 currently and sure would like to avoid all the problems
if I can.
Rick USA

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+ofbgmail=mi.rr@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of net bat via Talk
Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2016 5:23 PM
To: via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Windows 10 upgrade for assistive technology users

it appears that microsoft does not check your computer for a screen reader.
you
have to find this hidden web site and download a file that will allow you to

get the free windows 10 upgrade after july 29

copy and paste the link into your browser if it will not activate because it
is wrapping to the next line.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/accessibility/windows10upgrade?tduid=(987140
d86cc457c48e81c1d6e3c2bdc7)(256380)(2459594)(TnL5HPStwNw-gcP3sqVEUXEMbAgHFGI
6mQ)()

-Original Message-
From: net bat
Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2016 1:01 PM
To: nb
Subject: Windows 10 upgrade for assistive technology users

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/accessibility/windows10upgrade?tduid=(987140
d86cc457c48e81c1d6e3c2bdc7)(256380)(2459594)(TnL5HPStwNw-gcP3sqVEUXEMbAgHFGI
6mQ)()

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RE: Windows 10 upgrade for assistive technology users

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Rick and all,

Just a minor correction to my post below, namely, when I upgraded my Windows
7 Ultimate machine to Windows 10, it became Windows 10 Pro, not Ultimate.
In fact, Windows 10 Enterprise is the version above Windows 10 Pro, but this
is a unique version for enterprise business environments.

Thanks,

Rod

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Of Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Sunday, August 7, 2016 12:22 AM
To: 'Rick Thomas' <ofbgm...@mi.rr.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: Windows 10 upgrade for assistive technology users

Hi Rick,

In my Windows 10 Home edition, I used Windows Update, and, in that dialog,
the Check for updates button, and, once the Install updates button appeared,
that is, after the update downloaded, the new version was installed.
Now, on another version of Windows 10, this time Ultimate within a virtual
machine, I noticed that I am still running Windows 10 1511 and it is
reported that I am up to date.
I'll have to check on that over the next while and see if thre is another
update available for Ultimate.

Hth,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Rick Thomas via Talk
Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2016 6:28 PM
To: 'net bat' <net...@comcast.net>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: Windows 10 upgrade for assistive technology users

Hi Rod et All:
I run windows 10 v 1511 I think with WE 9.5 I think.
As mentioned we need to get the W10 anniversery edition for screen readers.
Did you download the Media Creation tool you posted the url to and how does
that work to download the free upgrade or does it?
Does the Media Creation tool have you enter the url of the free version for
screen reader users or what does the process look or sound like as you
download and install?
I am running W 8.1 currently and sure would like to avoid all the problems
if I can.
Rick USA

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+ofbgmail=mi.rr@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of net bat via Talk
Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2016 5:23 PM
To: via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Windows 10 upgrade for assistive technology users

it appears that microsoft does not check your computer for a screen reader.
you
have to find this hidden web site and download a file that will allow you to

get the free windows 10 upgrade after july 29

copy and paste the link into your browser if it will not activate because it
is wrapping to the next line.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/accessibility/windows10upgrade?tduid=(987140
d86cc457c48e81c1d6e3c2bdc7)(256380)(2459594)(TnL5HPStwNw-gcP3sqVEUXEMbAgHFGI
6mQ)()

-Original Message-
From: net bat
Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2016 1:01 PM
To: nb
Subject: Windows 10 upgrade for assistive technology users

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/accessibility/windows10upgrade?tduid=(987140
d86cc457c48e81c1d6e3c2bdc7)(256380)(2459594)(TnL5HPStwNw-gcP3sqVEUXEMbAgHFGI
6mQ)() 

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RE: Windows 10 upgrade for assistive technology users

[Rick Thomas via Talk]

Thanks Rod:
I run a Dell Optiplex desktop with windows 10 pro v 1511 and my updates
message says I am up to date with automatic updates as well.
 I am old and I just want to push a button and have the products just work.
That is how I design my software and expect companies to do the same but
nope. They always have problems. I don't care if it is Microsofts fault,
WindowEyes fault, nobodys fault - things I pay for should just flat out
work.
Anyway, thanks for your usual professionalism and depth of research,
analysis and communication of situations like this - WindowEyes should have
you on retainer me thinks.
Rick USA
-Original Message-
From: Rod Hutton [mailto:rod_hut...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, August 7, 2016 12:22 AM
To: 'Rick Thomas' <ofbgm...@mi.rr.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: Windows 10 upgrade for assistive technology users

Hi Rick,

In my Windows 10 Home edition, I used Windows Update, and, in that dialog,
the Check for updates button, and, once the Install updates button appeared,
that is, after the update downloaded, the new version was installed.
Now, on another version of Windows 10, this time Ultimate within a virtual
machine, I noticed that I am still running Windows 10 1511 and it is
reported that I am up to date.
I'll have to check on that over the next while and see if thre is another
update available for Ultimate.

Hth,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Rick Thomas via Talk
Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2016 6:28 PM
To: 'net bat' <net...@comcast.net>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: Windows 10 upgrade for assistive technology users

Hi Rod et All:
I run windows 10 v 1511 I think with WE 9.5 I think.
As mentioned we need to get the W10 anniversery edition for screen readers.
Did you download the Media Creation tool you posted the url to and how does
that work to download the free upgrade or does it?
Does the Media Creation tool have you enter the url of the free version for
screen reader users or what does the process look or sound like as you
download and install?
I am running W 8.1 currently and sure would like to avoid all the problems
if I can.
Rick USA

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+ofbgmail=mi.rr@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of net bat via Talk
Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2016 5:23 PM
To: via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Windows 10 upgrade for assistive technology users

it appears that microsoft does not check your computer for a screen reader.
you
have to find this hidden web site and download a file that will allow you to

get the free windows 10 upgrade after july 29

copy and paste the link into your browser if it will not activate because it
is wrapping to the next line.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/accessibility/windows10upgrade?tduid=(987140
d86cc457c48e81c1d6e3c2bdc7)(256380)(2459594)(TnL5HPStwNw-gcP3sqVEUXEMbAgHFGI
6mQ)()

-Original Message-
From: net bat
Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2016 1:01 PM
To: nb
Subject: Windows 10 upgrade for assistive technology users

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/accessibility/windows10upgrade?tduid=(987140
d86cc457c48e81c1d6e3c2bdc7)(256380)(2459594)(TnL5HPStwNw-gcP3sqVEUXEMbAgHFGI
6mQ)() 

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RE: Windows 10 upgrade for assistive technology users

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Rick,

In my Windows 10 Home edition, I used Windows Update, and, in that dialog,
the Check for updates button, and, once the Install updates button appeared,
that is, after the update downloaded, the new version was installed.
Now, on another version of Windows 10, this time Ultimate within a virtual
machine, I noticed that I am still running Windows 10 1511 and it is
reported that I am up to date.
I'll have to check on that over the next while and see if thre is another
update available for Ultimate.

Hth,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Rick Thomas via Talk
Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2016 6:28 PM
To: 'net bat' <net...@comcast.net>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: Windows 10 upgrade for assistive technology users

Hi Rod et All:
I run windows 10 v 1511 I think with WE 9.5 I think.
As mentioned we need to get the W10 anniversery edition for screen readers.
Did you download the Media Creation tool you posted the url to and how does
that work to download the free upgrade or does it?
Does the Media Creation tool have you enter the url of the free version for
screen reader users or what does the process look or sound like as you
download and install?
I am running W 8.1 currently and sure would like to avoid all the problems
if I can.
Rick USA

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+ofbgmail=mi.rr@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of net bat via Talk
Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2016 5:23 PM
To: via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Windows 10 upgrade for assistive technology users

it appears that microsoft does not check your computer for a screen reader.
you
have to find this hidden web site and download a file that will allow you to

get the free windows 10 upgrade after july 29

copy and paste the link into your browser if it will not activate because it
is wrapping to the next line.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/accessibility/windows10upgrade?tduid=(987140
d86cc457c48e81c1d6e3c2bdc7)(256380)(2459594)(TnL5HPStwNw-gcP3sqVEUXEMbAgHFGI
6mQ)()

-Original Message-
From: net bat
Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2016 1:01 PM
To: nb
Subject: Windows 10 upgrade for assistive technology users

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/accessibility/windows10upgrade?tduid=(987140
d86cc457c48e81c1d6e3c2bdc7)(256380)(2459594)(TnL5HPStwNw-gcP3sqVEUXEMbAgHFGI
6mQ)() 

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RE: Windows 10 upgrade for assistive technology users

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

In future, to make your life easier, try this site for shortening URLs:

https://bitly.com/

Ergo, the URL you supplied is:

http://bit.ly/2b03nG7

hth,

Rod

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From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of net bat via Talk
Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2016 5:23 PM
To: via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Windows 10 upgrade for assistive technology users

it appears that microsoft does not check your computer for a screen reader.
you have to find this hidden web site and download a file that will allow
you to get the free windows 10 upgrade after july 29

copy and paste the link into your browser if it will not activate because it
is wrapping to the next line.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/accessibility/windows10upgrade?tduid=(987140
d86cc457c48e81c1d6e3c2bdc7)(256380)(2459594)(TnL5HPStwNw-gcP3sqVEUXEMbAgHFGI
6mQ)()

-Original Message-
From: net bat
Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2016 1:01 PM
To: nb
Subject: Windows 10 upgrade for assistive technology users

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/accessibility/windows10upgrade?tduid=(987140
d86cc457c48e81c1d6e3c2bdc7)(256380)(2459594)(TnL5HPStwNw-gcP3sqVEUXEMbAgHFGI
6mQ)() 

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Re: Windows 10 upgrade for assistive technology users

[net bat via Talk]

   
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/accessibility/windows10upgrade?tduid=(987140d86cc457c48e81c1d6e3c2bdc7)(256380)(2459594)(TnL5HPStwNw-gcP3sqVEUXEMbAgHFGI6mQ

-Original Message- 
From: Patricia Krinke

Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2016 4:33 PM
To: net bat ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Windows 10 upgrade for assistive technology users

IF you find the secret web site, please send the address to the rest of us.
Thank you,


Trish

-Original Message- 
From: net bat via Talk

Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2016 4:22 PM
To: via Talk
Subject: Re: Windows 10 upgrade for assistive technology users

it appears that microsoft does not check your computer for a screen reader.
you
have to find this hidden web site and download a file that will allow you to
get the free windows 10 upgrade after july 29

copy and paste the link into your browser if it will not activate because it
is
wrapping to the next line.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/accessibility/windows10upgrade?tduid=(987140d86cc457c48e81c1d6e3c2bdc7)(256380)(2459594)(TnL5HPStwNw-gcP3sqVEUXEMbAgHFGI6mQ)()

-Original Message- 
From: net bat

Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2016 1:01 PM
To: nb
Subject: Windows 10 upgrade for assistive technology users

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/accessibility/windows10upgrade?tduid=(987140d86cc457c48e81c1d6e3c2bdc7)(256380)(2459594)(TnL5HPStwNw-gcP3sqVEUXEMbAgHFGI6mQ)()

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Re: Windows 10 upgrade for assistive technology users

[Patricia Krinke via Talk]

IF you find the secret web site, please send the address to the rest of us. 
Thank you,



Trish

-Original Message- 
From: net bat via Talk

Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2016 4:22 PM
To: via Talk
Subject: Re: Windows 10 upgrade for assistive technology users

it appears that microsoft does not check your computer for a screen reader. 
you

have to find this hidden web site and download a file that will allow you to
get the free windows 10 upgrade after july 29

copy and paste the link into your browser if it will not activate because it 
is

wrapping to the next line.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/accessibility/windows10upgrade?tduid=(987140d86cc457c48e81c1d6e3c2bdc7)(256380)(2459594)(TnL5HPStwNw-gcP3sqVEUXEMbAgHFGI6mQ)()

-Original Message- 
From: net bat

Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2016 1:01 PM
To: nb
Subject: Windows 10 upgrade for assistive technology users

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/accessibility/windows10upgrade?tduid=(987140d86cc457c48e81c1d6e3c2bdc7)(256380)(2459594)(TnL5HPStwNw-gcP3sqVEUXEMbAgHFGI6mQ)()

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RE: Windows 10 upgrade for assistive technology users

[Rick Thomas via Talk]

Hi Rod et All:
I run windows 10 v 1511 I think with WE 9.5 I think.
As mentioned we need to get the W10 anniversery edition for screen readers.
Did you download the Media Creation tool you posted the url to and how does
that work to download the free upgrade or does it?
Does the Media Creation tool have you enter the url of the free version for
screen reader users or what does the process look or sound like as you
download and install?
I am running W 8.1 currently and sure would like to avoid all the problems
if I can.
Rick USA

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+ofbgmail=mi.rr@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of net bat via Talk
Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2016 5:23 PM
To: via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Windows 10 upgrade for assistive technology users

it appears that microsoft does not check your computer for a screen reader.
you 
have to find this hidden web site and download a file that will allow you to

get the free windows 10 upgrade after july 29

copy and paste the link into your browser if it will not activate because it
is 
wrapping to the next line.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/accessibility/windows10upgrade?tduid=(987140
d86cc457c48e81c1d6e3c2bdc7)(256380)(2459594)(TnL5HPStwNw-gcP3sqVEUXEMbAgHFGI
6mQ)()

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From: net bat
Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2016 1:01 PM
To: nb
Subject: Windows 10 upgrade for assistive technology users

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/accessibility/windows10upgrade?tduid=(987140
d86cc457c48e81c1d6e3c2bdc7)(256380)(2459594)(TnL5HPStwNw-gcP3sqVEUXEMbAgHFGI
6mQ)() 

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Re: Windows 10 upgrade for assistive technology users

[net bat via Talk]

it appears that microsoft does not check your computer for a screen reader. you 
have to find this hidden web site and download a file that will allow you to 
get the free windows 10 upgrade after july 29


copy and paste the link into your browser if it will not activate because it is 
wrapping to the next line.


https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/accessibility/windows10upgrade?tduid=(987140d86cc457c48e81c1d6e3c2bdc7)(256380)(2459594)(TnL5HPStwNw-gcP3sqVEUXEMbAgHFGI6mQ)()

-Original Message- 
From: net bat

Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2016 1:01 PM
To: nb
Subject: Windows 10 upgrade for assistive technology users

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/accessibility/windows10upgrade?tduid=(987140d86cc457c48e81c1d6e3c2bdc7)(256380)(2459594)(TnL5HPStwNw-gcP3sqVEUXEMbAgHFGI6mQ)() 


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Re: Windows 10 Anniversary Update Has Shorter Rollback Period -- Redmond Channel Partner

[net bat via Talk]

if you don't like the windows 10 anaversory you only have 10 days from the 
installation date to roll back this time. instead of the 30 days you had with 
the last upgrade.
also check your privicy settings. some people reported they were changed back 
to the factory defaults.



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Sent: Friday, August 05, 2016 3:04 PM
To: nb
Subject: Windows 10 Anniversary Update Has Shorter Rollback Period -- Redmond 
Channel Partner


https://rcpmag.com/articles/2016/08/05/windows-10-update-rollback.aspx 


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Re: Windows 10: The Missing Manual

[Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk]

Window-Eyes probably already turns this stuff off. It shouldn't be necessary 
to activate it.




Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
http://lras.home.sprynet.com
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Sent: Friday, August 05, 2016 6:46 AM
To: Martha ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Windows 10: The Missing Manual

This is recommended.
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 From: Martha via Talk

 To: via Talk
 Sent: Friday, August 5, 2016 5:48 AM
 Subject: Windows 10: The Missing Manual


 Hi, folks.

 I have downloaded this book from BARD and am slogging through it.

 There are "performance options" for "visual effects". Selecting
 "adjusting for best performance" turns off lots of animation.  Has
 anyone tried this?  I am always looking for ways to use less power,
 improve performance.  However, if turning off animation negatively
 impacts Window-Eyes, I won't change this setting.


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Re: Windows 10: The Missing Manual

[Loy via Talk]

This is recommended.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Martha via Talk 
  To: via Talk 
  Sent: Friday, August 5, 2016 5:48 AM
  Subject: Windows 10: The Missing Manual


  Hi, folks.

  I have downloaded this book from BARD and am slogging through it.

  There are "performance options" for "visual effects". Selecting
  "adjusting for best performance" turns off lots of animation.  Has
  anyone tried this?  I am always looking for ways to use less power,
  improve performance.  However, if turning off animation negatively
  impacts Window-Eyes, I won't change this setting.


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Re: windows 10 update automatic?

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

Don, As for me, mine updated automagically over night, last night. The 
only major issue I was met with was WE for Office opening up in demo 
mode, making it necessary to revalidate my license,  which now leaves me 
with only one more chance. As of this moment, nobody from AI Squared has 
responded in order to tell me if this behavior is normal. I had this 
happen back in April when I finally bit the bullet and took advantage of 
the free upgrade. Other than that, and my sound card's enhancements 
being turned back on, everything went off without a hitch.


Everything is still working as it should.


On 8/4/2016 5:46 PM, Don Smith via Talk wrote:

Hi:

Is windows 10 automatic update not the default setting?



And if so, won't our computers get the automatic update without us doing
anything?



I guess we can get it ahead of time, but, if we wait will it not come down
at some point with no fuss?

Don





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Re: windows 10 update automatic?

[Chris Skarstad via Talk]

At some point, it should arrive via windows update. With as 
many horror stories as i've heard about this i'm dreading the day that i 
have to update to it. ug.


 My pc works great the way it is now!




On 8/4/2016 6:46 PM, Don Smith via Talk wrote:

Hi:

Is windows 10 automatic update not the default setting?

  


And if so, won't our computers get the automatic update without us doing
anything?

  


I guess we can get it ahead of time, but, if we wait will it not come down
at some point with no fuss?

Don

  

  


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