RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

2017-05-21 Thread Steve Nutt via Talk 
Hi Richard,

So how would a sighted person cope in this situation?  They wouldn't have 
anyone to ring up who would jump to your command and come running to you for 
free, would they?

All the best
Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk
Sent: 17 May 2017 18:44
To: john_far...@btinternet.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

No of course not however why can't these companies have people to  work  from 
home when the regular crew finishes their shift. Perfect example I get home 
from work or maybe a ballgame or concert or whatever it is midnight I am doing 
something on my home computer and I encounter a problem, what do I do? Can't 
fix the problem next morning since I must go  to work.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of John Farley via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:10 PM
To: 'richard kurlander' <r.kurlan...@verizon.net>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion 
List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>; 'Juan Hernandez' <juanhernande...@gmail.com>
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Richard,

Are you really asking that a blind person, such as myself in the past,  who 
just happens to work in the computer field should, at the end of a long day, 
find someone who is having problems with their use of the PC, travel to 
wherever they live and spend a few hours helping them out?
Working as a blind person in the sighted world of computing is a hard slog and 
not as easy as you may think.

I have tried to provide the hands on help in the past. It was not successful 
from my viewpoint.
It often turns out that in fact you finish up teaching basic PC skills as well 
as how to use a screen reader, which is not what I signed up for.

I will provide written help on user lists such as this, but no longer hands on 
help.
I do, very occasionally, stand in as a trainer in a local class for teaching 
visually impaired people about PC skills when the usual trainer is on vacation.




Regards, John

Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076




-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of richard kurlander via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 6:39 AM
To: Juan Hernandez; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

if you a computer engineer you know a lot more than I do and people like you 
should help other blind people by giving them hands on training if you do tech 
support.At 04:01 PM 5/16/2017, you wrote:
>Simplicity is in the eye of the beholder. We all need different things.  
>I am a computer engineer, so I need access to some of the more advanced 
>aspects of the screen reader to use my various software development 
>tools.  Screen readers are there to help all of us.  And that means 
>having lots of features that some of us will use and that others will 
>not. Best, Juan Hernandez juanhernande...@gmail.com 619-750-9431
>(M) |  858-777-3311 (F) My WebSite | 
>Twitter | FaceBook | LinkedIn -Original
>Message- From: Talk
>[mailto:talk-bounces+juanhernandez98=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
>On Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk
>Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:01 AM To: Russ Kiehne 
><russ94...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
><talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
>Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration I don't like that either if 
>this what does happen.
>I use outlook 2013 at work part of office 365 and at home I still use 
>Eudora 7.1.9 for my client e-mail and I have also outlook set up as I 
>have also office 365 at home. Don't you feel that screne readers should 
>be made as simple as possible? -Original Message- From: Talk 
>[mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com]
>On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 11:40 AM 
>To: Steve Nutt <st...@comproom.co.uk>; 'Dennis Long'
><dennisl1...@gmail.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
><talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: Re:
>Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration I just wished all of the graphics were 
>labeled in the windows live mail app. When I arrow up and down in the 
>windows live maill app in jaws, it won’t say things like, replied, 
>forwarded, read etc.  It does in window eyes. -Original 
>Message-----
>From: Steve Nutt via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16,
>2017 1:21 AM To: 'Dennis Long' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: 
>RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Hi, It really depends on what you 
>want to do.  NVDA is vastly better on the web than JAWS and I believe 
>always will be.  But not configurable enough. All the best Steve 
>--

RE: Window-Eyes to Jaws Migration

2017-05-19 Thread Dennis Long via Talk 
You can do the following as well
1 press windows R.
2 type the following
Jaws18
3 press enter.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Tony C via Talk
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2017 8:03 AM
To: David Moore; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to Jaws Migration

Until you set up a hot key, you can go to the desktop and provideing that
you only have one Icon on your desktop that starts with the letter J you can
then press J and hit enter to start Jaws.

-Original Message-
From: David Moore via Talk
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 11:55 PM
To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to Jaws Migration

The keystroke to open JAWS is whatever you make it.
Most people make it alt+CTRL+J.
David Moore
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 7:28 AM
To: 'gosselin_louis'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to Jaws Migration

As stated in the migrating podcasts I forget what one Jaws doesn't set one
by default.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of gosselin_louis via Talk
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 7:17 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Window-Eyes to Jaws Migration

Once you've shut Jaws down with Numpad Insert-F4, What is the keystroke that
restarts Jaws?

Louis Gosselin



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Re: Window-Eyes to Jaws Migration

2017-05-19 Thread Tony C via Talk 
Until you set up a hot key, you can go to the desktop and provideing that 
you only have one Icon on your desktop that starts with the letter J you can 
then press J and hit enter to start Jaws.


-Original Message- 
From: David Moore via Talk

Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 11:55 PM
To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to Jaws Migration

The keystroke to open JAWS is whatever you make it.
Most people make it alt+CTRL+J.
David Moore
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 7:28 AM
To: 'gosselin_louis'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to Jaws Migration

As stated in the migrating podcasts I forget what one Jaws doesn't set one
by default.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of gosselin_louis via Talk
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 7:17 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Window-Eyes to Jaws Migration

Once you've shut Jaws down with Numpad Insert-F4, What is the keystroke that
restarts Jaws?

Louis Gosselin



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RE: Window-Eyes to Jaws Migration

2017-05-18 Thread David Moore via Talk 
The keystroke to open JAWS is whatever you make it.
Most people make it alt+CTRL+J.
David Moore
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 7:28 AM
To: 'gosselin_louis'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to Jaws Migration

As stated in the migrating podcasts I forget what one Jaws doesn't set one
by default.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of gosselin_louis via Talk
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 7:17 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Window-Eyes to Jaws Migration

Once you've shut Jaws down with Numpad Insert-F4, What is the keystroke that
restarts Jaws?

Louis Gosselin



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RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

2017-05-18 Thread Thomas N. Chan via Talk 
Dear Raul,
Can we chat offlist about this training or some of your precious time?



regards
Thomas N. Chan 

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+thomas.nchan=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos via Talk
Sent: Thursday, 18 May 2017 3:07 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Richard, this means you have a choice. If you can find a trainer who is 
willing to work with you after hours, then you make it happen. However, 
this will not happen for free in most cases. This is especially true if 
you want one-on-one training. As mentioned from me and a few others, you 
might be able to set something up with someone if you feel you really 
need one-on-one training. Some will do this as a volunteer and for free 
while most will want to be charged for their time.


Best of luck, and if you are interested, let me know.


--
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Voice and Text: 832.554.7285
Office: 832.639.4477
Personal Email: r...@raulgallegos.com
Work Email: train...@rgats.com
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“Any teacher that can be replaced with a computer, deserves to be.” - David 
Thornburg

On 5/17/2017 12:43 PM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote:
> No of course not however why can't these companies have people to  work  from 
> home when the regular crew finishes their shift. Perfect example I get home 
> from work or maybe a ballgame or concert or whatever it is midnight I am 
> doing something on my home computer and I encounter a problem, what do I do? 
> Can't fix the problem next morning since I must go  to work.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk 
> [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
> Of John Farley via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:10 PM
> To: 'richard kurlander' <r.kurlan...@verizon.net>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion 
> List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>; 'Juan Hernandez' 
> <juanhernande...@gmail.com>
> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
>
> Richard,
>
> Are you really asking that a blind person, such as myself in the past,  who 
> just happens to work in the computer field should, at the end of a long day, 
> find someone who is having problems with their use of the PC, travel to 
> wherever they live and spend a few hours helping them out?
> Working as a blind person in the sighted world of computing is a hard slog 
> and not as easy as you may think.
>
> I have tried to provide the hands on help in the past. It was not successful 
> from my viewpoint.
> It often turns out that in fact you finish up teaching basic PC skills as 
> well as how to use a screen reader, which is not what I signed up for.
>
> I will provide written help on user lists such as this, but no longer hands 
> on help.
> I do, very occasionally, stand in as a trainer in a local class for teaching 
> visually impaired people about PC skills when the usual trainer is on 
> vacation.
>
>
>
>
> Regards, John
>
> Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
> Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk 
> [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet....@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of richard kurlander via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 6:39 AM
> To: Juan Hernandez; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
>
> if you a computer engineer you know a lot more
> than I do and people like you should help other
> blind people by giving them hands on training if
> you do tech support.At 04:01 PM 5/16/2017, you wrote:
>> Simplicity is in the eye of the beholder. We all
>> need different things.  I am a computer
>> engineer, so I need access to some of the more
>> advanced aspects of the screen reader to use my
>> various software development tools.  Screen
>> readers are there to help all of us.  And that
>> means having lots of features that some of us
>> will use and that others will not. Best, Juan
>> Hernandez juanhernande...@gmail.com 619-750-9431
>> (M) |  858-777-3311 (F) My WebSite |
>> Twitter | FaceBook | LinkedIn -Original
>> Message- From: Talk
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+juanhernandez98=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
>> On Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:01 AM To: Russ
>> Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes
>> Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
>> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration I
>> don't like that either if this what does happen.
>> I use outlook 2013 at work part of office 365
>> and at home I still use Eudor

Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

2017-05-18 Thread Kevin Huber via Talk 
Hi Grumpy Dave.
You have every right to be grumpy.  Unfortunately, there wiill always
be, and have always been people who think that they can/should get
what they want through demanding.  I have always found, through
highschool, university and then in my job, a good attitude and
approach towards others will make them want to help you, but
apparently, some people don't get that and never will.
Kevin Huber

On 5/17/17, Dave via Talk  wrote:
> I am always taken a back by those who sincerely believe they have the
> right to demand help from others who have the skills or the knowledge.
>
> I see nothing wrong with asking someone for help, but to expect it, or
> demand it, just comes off as the ugly Entitled Attitudes we are seeing
> far too much of in the last few years
> --
>
> Most people who have skills, are willing to share them if asked politely,
> but when they are demanded, and there is very little Thanks after the
> help has been given, it produces a Smell that is very unappealing.
>
> I am not sure what to call this growing trend of entitlement, but it
> sure stincks!
>
> Grumpy Dave
>
>
>
> Dave 
>
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Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

2017-05-18 Thread Loy via Talk 
I plan to stay with Window Eyes as long as I can, but will take the JAWS offer 
and try to learn it in case I have to use it. I have tried a demo in the past 
but did not like it but I did not have to rely on it. I  also will be using 
NVDA as needed.- Original Message - 
  From: Tony C via Talk 
  To: Dave ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 10:48 PM
  Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration


  I think someone would have to be a bit dim-witted not to take the offer.

  -Original Message- 
  From: Dave via Talk
  Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 9:37 PM
  To: Orlando Enrique Fiol ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
  Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

  Hello Orlando,

  There was, at least for me, a good reason to migrate Sooner rather than
  later.

  If I wait around too long, say after the end of July, the VFO offer to
  register me with a Free Copy of JAWS 18 would go away, and I would then
  need to fork out $1000.

  Plus, I really had nothing to lose by taking the offer from VFO.

  Window Eyes is working well enough, for now, and I have also been using
  NVDA, which has been doing what I need it to do at Work.  I can take my
  time to learn JAWS, since I have two other Screen Readers to use until I
  come up to speed with Jaws.

  From what I've seen of Jaws so far, Jaws is a very powerful Screen
  Reader.

  Learning Jaws is something like moving to a new neighborhood, after
  living in another neighborhood for 20 or more years.  The new
  neighborhood is different, and Unknown.As a blind man, I now need to
  learn my way to a few places, such as the Grocery store, Drug Store,
  and to the Bus stops.   The Curbs are similar but different.  The street
  crossings are similar and yet different.

  Even the Sidewalks are similar, and yet they too are different.

  Jaws is the same.  jaws does many of the things Window Eyes does, just
  in slightly different ways.  Terms and Features are different or Similar
  to Window Eyes terms and Features.


  I think VFO put some thought into their offer to Window Eyes users, and
  they were ready with Tutorials for those who would Migrate.   They
  didn't need to do this.  They could have just told all new users of Jaws
  to wade through the existing Help Documentation--  which might have
  been more than enough for most.  But, instead they did what they did to
  help Window Eyes users make the transition smoothly.

  As migrators, we do need to put in some effort to learn the new Screen
  Reader.  insisting that VFO some how owes all of us some extra special
  training  is just another example of that Spoiled Handicapper
  EntitlementMentality, that is so ugly.

  Like moving into the New Neighborhood, by walking around, doing some
  exploration, all will make the new and unfamiliar neighborhood become
  familiar and like Home.   It takes effort though.  Effort on your part,
  not on VFO's part.

  Grumpy Dave



  Dave <dlh...@centurylink.net>

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RE: Window-Eyes to Jaws Migration

2017-05-18 Thread Dennis Long via Talk 
As stated in the migrating podcasts I forget what one Jaws doesn't set one
by default.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of gosselin_louis via Talk
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 7:17 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Window-Eyes to Jaws Migration

Once you've shut Jaws down with Numpad Insert-F4, What is the keystroke that
restarts Jaws?

Louis Gosselin



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RE: Window-Eyes to Jaws Migration

2017-05-18 Thread Joseph Norton via Talk 
By default, there is no shortcut key assigned to start JAWS.  You can,
however, set up a shortcut key, like CTRL-ALT-J to start JAWS.

Here's a link to the podcast that talks about doing this and runs you
through it.

http://getwindoweyes.com/migrate/02_BasicHotkeys.mp3

Raul does a great job explaining this.

Hope this helps.


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Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 7:17 AM
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Subject: Window-Eyes to Jaws Migration

Once you've shut Jaws down with Numpad Insert-F4, What is the keystroke that
restarts Jaws?

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Window-Eyes to Jaws Migration

2017-05-18 Thread gosselin_louis via Talk 
Once you've shut Jaws down with Numpad Insert-F4, What is the keystroke that
restarts Jaws?

Louis Gosselin



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Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

2017-05-18 Thread Nick Sarames via Talk 
Thanks.

On 5/17/2017 9:41 PM, Brenda via Talk wrote:
> Hey Nick,
> 
> I suggest starting on the Window-Eyes migration page of AI Squaared. 
> Raul gives some really neat short tutorials from a Window-eyes 
> prospective that are really helpful.  Jaws has some really neat on-board 
> tutorials where you can listen while you performwhat the tutorial is 
> explaining.
> 
> Take your time and learn a little at a time.
> 
> Brenda
> 
> On 5/17/2017 7:07 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:
>> Question:
>>
>> Is there much in the way of training matterial and tutorials
>> (specifically) on Youtube?
>>
>> On 5/17/2017 4:56 PM, Tony C via Talk wrote:
>>> Hi, As good as the trainning materials are, and the Jaws help. If
>>> someone can't take the time to read and listen to the materials that
>>> cover the area they need help with, then that's pretty lazy in my
>>> opinion. I haven't used Jaws since 2004 and quite a bit has changed and
>>> I've forgotten a heck of a lot. I've had to ask a few questions, and
>>> I've listened to a little of the trainning materials that are in the
>>> Daisey books. So far I'm impressed with the way Jaws is working for me,
>>> and I'm happy with all the contact that I have had with VFO. Tony
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: Raul A. Gallegos via Talk
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 2:07 PM
>>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
>>>
>>> Richard, this means you have a choice. If you can find a trainer who is
>>> willing to work with you after hours, then you make it happen. However,
>>> this will not happen for free in most cases. This is especially true if
>>> you want one-on-one training. As mentioned from me and a few others, you
>>> might be able to set something up with someone if you feel you really
>>> need one-on-one training. Some will do this as a volunteer and for free
>>> while most will want to be charged for their time.
>>>
>>>
>>> Best of luck, and if you are interested, let me know.
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Raul A. Gallegos
>>> Assistive Technology Trainer - RGA Tech Solutions
>>> Voice and Text: 832.554.7285
>>> Office: 832.639.4477
>>> Personal Email: r...@raulgallegos.com
>>> Work Email: train...@rgats.com
>>> Twitter: @rga7285 and @RGATrainer
>>>
>>> “Any teacher that can be replaced with a computer, deserves to be.” -
>>> David Thornburg
>>>
>>> On 5/17/2017 12:43 PM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote:
>>>> No of course not however why can't these companies have people to
>>>> work from home when the regular crew finishes their shift. Perfect
>>>> example I get home from work or maybe a ballgame or concert or
>>>> whatever it is midnight I am doing something on my home computer and I
>>>> encounter a problem, what do I do? Can't fix the problem next morning
>>>> since I must go to work.
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: Talk
>>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On
>>>> Behalf Of John Farley via Talk
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:10 PM
>>>> To: 'richard kurlander' <r.kurlan...@verizon.net>; 'Window-Eyes
>>>> Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>; 'Juan Hernandez'
>>>> <juanhernande...@gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
>>>>
>>>> Richard,
>>>>
>>>> Are you really asking that a blind person, such as myself in the past,
>>>> who just happens to work in the computer field should, at the end of a
>>>> long day, find someone who is having problems with their use of the
>>>> PC, travel to wherever they live and spend a few hours helping them 
>>>> out?
>>>> Working as a blind person in the sighted world of computing is a hard
>>>> slog and not as easy as you may think.
>>>>
>>>> I have tried to provide the hands on help in the past. It was not
>>>> successful from my viewpoint.
>>>> It often turns out that in fact you finish up teaching basic PC skills
>>>> as well as how to use a screen reader, which is not what I signed up 
>>>> for.
>>>>
>>>> I will provide written help on user lists such as this, but no longer
>>>> hands on help.
>>>> I do, very occasionally, stand in as

RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

2017-05-17 Thread Dennis Long via Talk 
Some people aren't happy unless they bitch

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Tony C via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 10:47 PM
To: Dave; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Folks are already complaining about the price of Jaws, Hell if they did 24
hr support you could probally add about $300 to the cost of jaws and double
the cost of an SMA. I mean they are giving away Jaws to those of us who have
kept our WE current, yet people still find something to grip about.

-Original Message-
From: Dave via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 8:18 PM
To: Kurlander Richard (75) ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Good Grief!  The reason why there is no 24 hours a day Jaws Support is the
same as it is for most other companies, Money, Money, Money, and once again,
Money.

Grumpy Dave





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Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

2017-05-17 Thread David via Talk 
Sounds like a great place to start.


WinEyes users have come to enjoy the benefits of  the App Central, to 
download and keep an eye on all the apps been offered for the screen 
reader. Does there exist any kind of a central place for getting an 
overview of which scripts would be available for Jaws? Or, is the user 
left to hunt the complete internet and a few places more, to get an idea 
of available scripts for the Jaws screen reader?


Thanks for some knowledgeable assistance. we sure will need some of 
that, in the next few weeks. Smiles.


David

On 5/18/2017 6:40 AM, David Moore via Talk wrote:
> Hi all,
> I just want to let you know that there are many tutorials and teachings 
> pertaining to using JAWS with many programs at the following URL:
> www.freedomscientific.com
> Everything you need to know about JAWS is somewhere on this website. There 
> are many teachings and tutorials to get you started with JAWS.
> David Moore
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
> From: Tony C via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 10:49 PM
> To: Dave; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
>
>  I think someone would have to be a bit dim-witted not to take the offer.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Dave via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 9:37 PM
> To: Orlando Enrique Fiol ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
>
> Hello Orlando,
>
> There was, at least for me, a good reason to migrate Sooner rather than
> later.
>
> If I wait around too long, say after the end of July, the VFO offer to
> register me with a Free Copy of JAWS 18 would go away, and I would then
> need to fork out $1000.
>
> Plus, I really had nothing to lose by taking the offer from VFO.
>
> Window Eyes is working well enough, for now, and I have also been using
> NVDA, which has been doing what I need it to do at Work.  I can take my
> time to learn JAWS, since I have two other Screen Readers to use until I
> come up to speed with Jaws.
>
> >From what I've seen of Jaws so far, Jaws is a very powerful Screen
> Reader.
>
> Learning Jaws is something like moving to a new neighborhood, after
> living in another neighborhood for 20 or more years.  The new
> neighborhood is different, and Unknown.As a blind man, I now need to
> learn my way to a few places, such as the Grocery store, Drug Store,
> and to the Bus stops.   The Curbs are similar but different.  The street
> crossings are similar and yet different.
>
> Even the Sidewalks are similar, and yet they too are different.
>
> Jaws is the same.  jaws does many of the things Window Eyes does, just
> in slightly different ways.  Terms and Features are different or Similar
> to Window Eyes terms and Features.
>
>
> I think VFO put some thought into their offer to Window Eyes users, and
> they were ready with Tutorials for those who would Migrate.   They
> didn't need to do this.  They could have just told all new users of Jaws
> to wade through the existing Help Documentation--  which might have
> been more than enough for most.  But, instead they did what they did to
> help Window Eyes users make the transition smoothly.
>
> As migrators, we do need to put in some effort to learn the new Screen
> Reader.  insisting that VFO some how owes all of us some extra special
> training  is just another example of that Spoiled Handicapper
> EntitlementMentality, that is so ugly.
>
> Like moving into the New Neighborhood, by walking around, doing some
> exploration, all will make the new and unfamiliar neighborhood become
> familiar and like Home.   It takes effort though.  Effort on your part,
> not on VFO's part.
>
> Grumpy Dave
>
>
>
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RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

2017-05-17 Thread David Moore via Talk 
Hi all,
I just want to let you know that there are many tutorials and teachings 
pertaining to using JAWS with many programs at the following URL:
www.freedomscientific.com
Everything you need to know about JAWS is somewhere on this website. There are 
many teachings and tutorials to get you started with JAWS.
David Moore
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Tony C via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 10:49 PM
To: Dave; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

I think someone would have to be a bit dim-witted not to take the offer.

-Original Message- 
From: Dave via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 9:37 PM
To: Orlando Enrique Fiol ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Hello Orlando,

There was, at least for me, a good reason to migrate Sooner rather than
later.

If I wait around too long, say after the end of July, the VFO offer to
register me with a Free Copy of JAWS 18 would go away, and I would then
need to fork out $1000.

Plus, I really had nothing to lose by taking the offer from VFO.

Window Eyes is working well enough, for now, and I have also been using
NVDA, which has been doing what I need it to do at Work.  I can take my
time to learn JAWS, since I have two other Screen Readers to use until I
come up to speed with Jaws.

>From what I've seen of Jaws so far, Jaws is a very powerful Screen
Reader.

Learning Jaws is something like moving to a new neighborhood, after
living in another neighborhood for 20 or more years.  The new
neighborhood is different, and Unknown.As a blind man, I now need to
learn my way to a few places, such as the Grocery store, Drug Store,
and to the Bus stops.   The Curbs are similar but different.  The street
crossings are similar and yet different.

Even the Sidewalks are similar, and yet they too are different.

Jaws is the same.  jaws does many of the things Window Eyes does, just
in slightly different ways.  Terms and Features are different or Similar
to Window Eyes terms and Features.


I think VFO put some thought into their offer to Window Eyes users, and
they were ready with Tutorials for those who would Migrate.   They
didn't need to do this.  They could have just told all new users of Jaws
to wade through the existing Help Documentation--  which might have
been more than enough for most.  But, instead they did what they did to
help Window Eyes users make the transition smoothly.

As migrators, we do need to put in some effort to learn the new Screen
Reader.  insisting that VFO some how owes all of us some extra special
training  is just another example of that Spoiled Handicapper
EntitlementMentality, that is so ugly.

Like moving into the New Neighborhood, by walking around, doing some
exploration, all will make the new and unfamiliar neighborhood become
familiar and like Home.   It takes effort though.  Effort on your part,
not on VFO's part.

Grumpy Dave



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RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

2017-05-17 Thread David Moore via Talk 
Hi Grumpy Dave and all,
My name is David Moore. I just joined this list to let people know that I am 
here for you to help you with the transition to JAWS. JAWS uses the numpad a 
lot for desktop layout, and there are commands for the laptop layout without a 
numpad as well. I am here to answer all of your questions about JAWS. I have 
been a JAWS user for 15 years, and I use NVDA a lot as well. If any of you need 
tutorials for JAWS or NVDA, I can help you a lot with both Screen readers.
Take care!
David Moore
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Tony C via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 10:49 PM
To: Dave; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

I think someone would have to be a bit dim-witted not to take the offer.

-Original Message- 
From: Dave via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 9:37 PM
To: Orlando Enrique Fiol ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Hello Orlando,

There was, at least for me, a good reason to migrate Sooner rather than
later.

If I wait around too long, say after the end of July, the VFO offer to
register me with a Free Copy of JAWS 18 would go away, and I would then
need to fork out $1000.

Plus, I really had nothing to lose by taking the offer from VFO.

Window Eyes is working well enough, for now, and I have also been using
NVDA, which has been doing what I need it to do at Work.  I can take my
time to learn JAWS, since I have two other Screen Readers to use until I
come up to speed with Jaws.

>From what I've seen of Jaws so far, Jaws is a very powerful Screen
Reader.

Learning Jaws is something like moving to a new neighborhood, after
living in another neighborhood for 20 or more years.  The new
neighborhood is different, and Unknown.As a blind man, I now need to
learn my way to a few places, such as the Grocery store, Drug Store,
and to the Bus stops.   The Curbs are similar but different.  The street
crossings are similar and yet different.

Even the Sidewalks are similar, and yet they too are different.

Jaws is the same.  jaws does many of the things Window Eyes does, just
in slightly different ways.  Terms and Features are different or Similar
to Window Eyes terms and Features.


I think VFO put some thought into their offer to Window Eyes users, and
they were ready with Tutorials for those who would Migrate.   They
didn't need to do this.  They could have just told all new users of Jaws
to wade through the existing Help Documentation--  which might have
been more than enough for most.  But, instead they did what they did to
help Window Eyes users make the transition smoothly.

As migrators, we do need to put in some effort to learn the new Screen
Reader.  insisting that VFO some how owes all of us some extra special
training  is just another example of that Spoiled Handicapper
EntitlementMentality, that is so ugly.

Like moving into the New Neighborhood, by walking around, doing some
exploration, all will make the new and unfamiliar neighborhood become
familiar and like Home.   It takes effort though.  Effort on your part,
not on VFO's part.

Grumpy Dave



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Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

2017-05-17 Thread Tony C via Talk 

   I think someone would have to be a bit dim-witted not to take the offer.

-Original Message- 
From: Dave via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 9:37 PM
To: Orlando Enrique Fiol ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Hello Orlando,

There was, at least for me, a good reason to migrate Sooner rather than
later.

If I wait around too long, say after the end of July, the VFO offer to
register me with a Free Copy of JAWS 18 would go away, and I would then
need to fork out $1000.

Plus, I really had nothing to lose by taking the offer from VFO.

Window Eyes is working well enough, for now, and I have also been using
NVDA, which has been doing what I need it to do at Work.  I can take my
time to learn JAWS, since I have two other Screen Readers to use until I
come up to speed with Jaws.


From what I've seen of Jaws so far, Jaws is a very powerful Screen

Reader.

Learning Jaws is something like moving to a new neighborhood, after
living in another neighborhood for 20 or more years.  The new
neighborhood is different, and Unknown.As a blind man, I now need to
learn my way to a few places, such as the Grocery store, Drug Store,
and to the Bus stops.   The Curbs are similar but different.  The street
crossings are similar and yet different.

Even the Sidewalks are similar, and yet they too are different.

Jaws is the same.  jaws does many of the things Window Eyes does, just
in slightly different ways.  Terms and Features are different or Similar
to Window Eyes terms and Features.


I think VFO put some thought into their offer to Window Eyes users, and
they were ready with Tutorials for those who would Migrate.   They
didn't need to do this.  They could have just told all new users of Jaws
to wade through the existing Help Documentation--  which might have
been more than enough for most.  But, instead they did what they did to
help Window Eyes users make the transition smoothly.

As migrators, we do need to put in some effort to learn the new Screen
Reader.  insisting that VFO some how owes all of us some extra special
training  is just another example of that Spoiled Handicapper
EntitlementMentality, that is so ugly.

Like moving into the New Neighborhood, by walking around, doing some
exploration, all will make the new and unfamiliar neighborhood become
familiar and like Home.   It takes effort though.  Effort on your part,
not on VFO's part.

Grumpy Dave



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Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

2017-05-17 Thread Dave via Talk 
Again, VFO has made some good Starter Tutorials for Window Eyes users.  
I would guess that Jaws already has a fair amount of other Tutorials
telling of the other, more in depth features than just basics.  

And of course, there are always lists like this one to ask other, more
experienced Jaws users those questions you cannot find answers for in
available documentation.  

People here have shown a lot of generosity when it comes to sharing
their knowledge.  
Be Thankful, and ask what you need to ask, and Help others when you can
Help.  

Grumpy Dave






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Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

2017-05-17 Thread Tony C via Talk 
Folks are already complaining about the price of Jaws, Hell if they did 24 
hr support you could probally add about $300 to the cost of jaws and double 
the cost of an SMA. I mean they are giving away Jaws to those of us who have 
kept our WE current, yet people still find something to grip about.


-Original Message- 
From: Dave via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 8:18 PM
To: Kurlander Richard (75) ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Good Grief!  The reason why there is no 24 hours a day Jaws Support is
the same as it is for most other companies, Money, Money, Money, and
once again, Money.

Grumpy Dave





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Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

2017-05-17 Thread Dave via Talk 
Hello Orlando,

There was, at least for me, a good reason to migrate Sooner rather than
later.  

If I wait around too long, say after the end of July, the VFO offer to
register me with a Free Copy of JAWS 18 would go away, and I would then
need to fork out $1000.  

Plus, I really had nothing to lose by taking the offer from VFO.  

Window Eyes is working well enough, for now, and I have also been using
NVDA, which has been doing what I need it to do at Work.  I can take my
time to learn JAWS, since I have two other Screen Readers to use until I
come up to speed with Jaws.  

>From what I've seen of Jaws so far, Jaws is a very powerful Screen
Reader.

Learning Jaws is something like moving to a new neighborhood, after
living in another neighborhood for 20 or more years.  The new
neighborhood is different, and Unknown.As a blind man, I now need to
learn my way to a few places, such as the Grocery store, Drug Store, 
and to the Bus stops.   The Curbs are similar but different.  The street
crossings are similar and yet different.  

Even the Sidewalks are similar, and yet they too are different.  

Jaws is the same.  jaws does many of the things Window Eyes does, just
in slightly different ways.  Terms and Features are different or Similar
to Window Eyes terms and Features.  


I think VFO put some thought into their offer to Window Eyes users, and
they were ready with Tutorials for those who would Migrate.   They
didn't need to do this.  They could have just told all new users of Jaws
to wade through the existing Help Documentation--  which might have
been more than enough for most.  But, instead they did what they did to
help Window Eyes users make the transition smoothly.  

As migrators, we do need to put in some effort to learn the new Screen
Reader.  insisting that VFO some how owes all of us some extra special
training  is just another example of that Spoiled Handicapper
EntitlementMentality, that is so ugly.  

Like moving into the New Neighborhood, by walking around, doing some
exploration, all will make the new and unfamiliar neighborhood become
familiar and like Home.   It takes effort though.  Effort on your part,
not on VFO's part.  

Grumpy Dave



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Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

2017-05-17 Thread Brenda via Talk 

Hey Nick,

I suggest starting on the Window-Eyes migration page of AI Squaared. 
Raul gives some really neat short tutorials from a Window-eyes 
prospective that are really helpful.  Jaws has some really neat on-board 
tutorials where you can listen while you performwhat the tutorial is 
explaining.


Take your time and learn a little at a time.

Brenda

On 5/17/2017 7:07 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:

Question:

Is there much in the way of training matterial and tutorials
(specifically) on Youtube?

On 5/17/2017 4:56 PM, Tony C via Talk wrote:

Hi, As good as the trainning materials are, and the Jaws help. If
someone can't take the time to read and listen to the materials that
cover the area they need help with, then that's pretty lazy in my
opinion. I haven't used Jaws since 2004 and quite a bit has changed and
I've forgotten a heck of a lot. I've had to ask a few questions, and
I've listened to a little of the trainning materials that are in the
Daisey books. So far I'm impressed with the way Jaws is working for me,
and I'm happy with all the contact that I have had with VFO. Tony

-Original Message- From: Raul A. Gallegos via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 2:07 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Richard, this means you have a choice. If you can find a trainer who is
willing to work with you after hours, then you make it happen. However,
this will not happen for free in most cases. This is especially true if
you want one-on-one training. As mentioned from me and a few others, you
might be able to set something up with someone if you feel you really
need one-on-one training. Some will do this as a volunteer and for free
while most will want to be charged for their time.


Best of luck, and if you are interested, let me know.


--
Raul A. Gallegos
Assistive Technology Trainer - RGA Tech Solutions
Voice and Text: 832.554.7285
Office: 832.639.4477
Personal Email: r...@raulgallegos.com
Work Email: train...@rgats.com
Twitter: @rga7285 and @RGATrainer

“Any teacher that can be replaced with a computer, deserves to be.” -
David Thornburg

On 5/17/2017 12:43 PM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote:

No of course not however why can't these companies have people to
work from home when the regular crew finishes their shift. Perfect
example I get home from work or maybe a ballgame or concert or
whatever it is midnight I am doing something on my home computer and I
encounter a problem, what do I do? Can't fix the problem next morning
since I must go to work.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of John Farley via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:10 PM
To: 'richard kurlander' <r.kurlan...@verizon.net>; 'Window-Eyes
Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>; 'Juan Hernandez'
<juanhernande...@gmail.com>
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Richard,

Are you really asking that a blind person, such as myself in the past,
who just happens to work in the computer field should, at the end of a
long day, find someone who is having problems with their use of the
PC, travel to wherever they live and spend a few hours helping them out?
Working as a blind person in the sighted world of computing is a hard
slog and not as easy as you may think.

I have tried to provide the hands on help in the past. It was not
successful from my viewpoint.
It often turns out that in fact you finish up teaching basic PC skills
as well as how to use a screen reader, which is not what I signed up for.

I will provide written help on user lists such as this, but no longer
hands on help.
I do, very occasionally, stand in as a trainer in a local class for
teaching visually impaired people about PC skills when the usual
trainer is on vacation.




Regards, John

Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076




-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of richard kurlander via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 6:39 AM
To: Juan Hernandez; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

if you a computer engineer you know a lot more
than I do and people like you should help other
blind people by giving them hands on training if
you do tech support.At 04:01 PM 5/16/2017, you wrote:

Simplicity is in the eye of the beholder. We all
need different things.  I am a computer
engineer, so I need access to some of the more
advanced aspects of the screen reader to use my
various software development tools.  Screen
readers are there to help all of us.  And that
means having lots of features that some of us
will use and that others will not. Best, Juan
Hernandez juanhernande...@gmail.com 619-750-9431
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Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

2017-05-17 Thread Bryan Peterson via Talk 

Show me the money! Show me the money! LOL.



Focus your powers and prepare for buttle.
-Original Message- 
From: Tom Kingston via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 7:34 PM
To: Dave ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Good gollly miss Molly, I mean Dave. Can't you for once just give it to
us straight?
Hahaahaaha!

On 5/17/2017 9:18 PM, Dave via Talk wrote:

Good Grief!  The reason why there is no 24 hours a day Jaws Support is
the same as it is for most other companies, Money, Money, Money, and
once again, Money.

Grumpy Dave





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Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

2017-05-17 Thread Tom Kingston via Talk 
Good gollly miss Molly, I mean Dave. Can't you for once just give it to 
us straight?

Hahaahaaha!

On 5/17/2017 9:18 PM, Dave via Talk wrote:

Good Grief!  The reason why there is no 24 hours a day Jaws Support is
the same as it is for most other companies, Money, Money, Money, and
once again, Money.

Grumpy Dave





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Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

2017-05-17 Thread Dave via Talk 
Good Grief!  The reason why there is no 24 hours a day Jaws Support is
the same as it is for most other companies, Money, Money, Money, and
once again, Money.  

Grumpy Dave





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Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

2017-05-17 Thread Reeva Webb via Talk 
Yeah, if it's free. duh. However if it requires money esp. If it's north of
$200 thinking is required. This is the situation i am facing with my we
version of zt fusion.

"the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised
night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho

Reeva

On May 17, 2017 6:20 PM, "Matthew Chao via Talk" 
wrote:

> You'd be a fool not to.--Matthew Chao.
>
>
>
> On 5/17/2017 7:09 PM, Don H via Talk wrote:
>
>> It is true that WE may work just fine for a good long while.  However if
>> you have a up to date copy of WE Why wouldn't you take the offer for a free
>> copy of JAWS?
>>
>> On 5/17/2017 6:04 PM, Orlando Enrique Fiol via Talk wrote:
>>
>>> At 04:58 PM 5/17/2017, Tony C via Talk wrote:
>>>  >Hi, I haven't used Jaws since 2004 and have forgotten a lot. But, I
>>> find that a lot is coming back and the transition isn't as bad as I thought
>>> it would be. lol.
>>>
>>>
>>> Here's a perfect example. Why did you transition now? Was there an
>>> application that did not work with Window-eyes that required another screen
>>> reading option? FAct is, no one actually has any need to migrate in order
>>> to be productive. The only need for migration is in a case where
>>> Window-eyes is not meeting your needs, in which case, you would have
>>> switched screen readers anyway.
>>> Orlando Enrique Fiol
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RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

2017-05-17 Thread Dennis Long via Talk 
I agree.

-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of Matthew Chao via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 7:20 PM
To: Don H via Talk
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

You'd be a fool not to.--Matthew Chao.



On 5/17/2017 7:09 PM, Don H via Talk wrote:
> It is true that WE may work just fine for a good long while.  However 
> if you have a up to date copy of WE Why wouldn't you take the offer 
> for a free copy of JAWS?
> 
> On 5/17/2017 6:04 PM, Orlando Enrique Fiol via Talk wrote:
>> At 04:58 PM 5/17/2017, Tony C via Talk wrote:
>>  >Hi, I haven't used Jaws since 2004 and have forgotten a lot. But, I 
>> find that a lot is coming back and the transition isn't as bad as I 
>> thought it would be. lol.
>>
>>
>> Here's a perfect example. Why did you transition now? Was there an 
>> application that did not work with Window-eyes that required another 
>> screen reading option? FAct is, no one actually has any need to 
>> migrate in order to be productive. The only need for migration is in 
>> a case where Window-eyes is not meeting your needs, in which case, 
>> you would have switched screen readers anyway.
>> Orlando Enrique Fiol
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Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

2017-05-17 Thread Matthew Chao via Talk 

You'd be a fool not to.--Matthew Chao.



On 5/17/2017 7:09 PM, Don H via Talk wrote:
It is true that WE may work just fine for a good long while.  However if 
you have a up to date copy of WE Why wouldn't you take the offer for a 
free copy of JAWS?


On 5/17/2017 6:04 PM, Orlando Enrique Fiol via Talk wrote:

At 04:58 PM 5/17/2017, Tony C via Talk wrote:
 >Hi, I haven't used Jaws since 2004 and have forgotten a lot. But, I 
find that a lot is coming back and the transition isn't as bad as I 
thought it would be. lol.



Here's a perfect example. Why did you transition now? Was there an 
application that did not work with Window-eyes that required another 
screen reading option? FAct is, no one actually has any need to 
migrate in order to be productive. The only need for migration is in a 
case where Window-eyes is not meeting your needs, in which case, you 
would have switched screen readers anyway.

Orlando Enrique Fiol

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Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

2017-05-17 Thread Reeva Webb via Talk 
The following i feel is legit concern:

Nothing will be gained by recriminating Richard for his attitude or posting
frequency. The central issue here revolves around the kind of help people
need. VFO might do well to consider more advanced tutorials specifically
geared toward advanced Window-eyes users making cause of its conceptual
architecture. This approach would obviously be different than a one-to-one
correspondence between hotkeys or cursoring keys. Does Jaws have
equivalents for browse mode? If so, how is its verbosity structure
accessed? What sorts of free Jaws apps are there that would correspond to
many Window-eyes apps on App Central? What can users do when Window-eyes
reads a windows screen that Jaws cannot? These are the types of questions
that advanced users would probably have.

Addressing advanced users of we who are making the switch isn't whinning.
May tutorials come on these things in time, maybe. I'd highly suggest it.

"the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised
night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho

Reeva

On May 17, 2017 6:04 PM, "Orlando Enrique Fiol via Talk" <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

> At 04:58 PM 5/17/2017, Tony C via Talk wrote:
> >Hi, I haven't used Jaws since 2004 and have forgotten a lot. But, I find
> that a lot is coming back and the transition isn't as bad as I thought it
> would be. lol.
>
>
> Here's a perfect example. Why did you transition now? Was there an
> application that did not work with Window-eyes that required another screen
> reading option? FAct is, no one actually has any need to migrate in order
> to be productive. The only need for migration is in a case where
> Window-eyes is not meeting your needs, in which case, you would have
> switched screen readers anyway.
> Orlando Enrique Fiol
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Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

2017-05-17 Thread Nick Sarames via Talk 
The main reason to migrate is to take advantage of the offer.

On 5/17/2017 7:04 PM, Orlando Enrique Fiol via Talk wrote:
> At 04:58 PM 5/17/2017, Tony C via Talk wrote:
>  >Hi, I haven't used Jaws since 2004 and have forgotten a lot. But, I 
> find that a lot is coming back and the transition isn't as bad as I 
> thought it would be. lol.
> 
> 
> Here's a perfect example. Why did you transition now? Was there an 
> application that did not work with Window-eyes that required another 
> screen reading option? FAct is, no one actually has any need to migrate 
> in order to be productive. The only need for migration is in a case 
> where Window-eyes is not meeting your needs, in which case, you would 
> have switched screen readers anyway.
> Orlando Enrique Fiol
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Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

2017-05-17 Thread Don H via Talk 
It is true that WE may work just fine for a good long while.  However if 
you have a up to date copy of WE Why wouldn't you take the offer for a 
free copy of JAWS?


On 5/17/2017 6:04 PM, Orlando Enrique Fiol via Talk wrote:

At 04:58 PM 5/17/2017, Tony C via Talk wrote:
 >Hi, I haven't used Jaws since 2004 and have forgotten a lot. But, I 
find that a lot is coming back and the transition isn't as bad as I 
thought it would be. lol.



Here's a perfect example. Why did you transition now? Was there an 
application that did not work with Window-eyes that required another 
screen reading option? FAct is, no one actually has any need to migrate 
in order to be productive. The only need for migration is in a case 
where Window-eyes is not meeting your needs, in which case, you would 
have switched screen readers anyway.

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Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

2017-05-17 Thread Nick Sarames via Talk 
Question:

Is there much in the way of training matterial and tutorials 
(specifically) on Youtube?

On 5/17/2017 4:56 PM, Tony C via Talk wrote:
> Hi, As good as the trainning materials are, and the Jaws help. If 
> someone can't take the time to read and listen to the materials that 
> cover the area they need help with, then that's pretty lazy in my 
> opinion. I haven't used Jaws since 2004 and quite a bit has changed and 
> I've forgotten a heck of a lot. I've had to ask a few questions, and 
> I've listened to a little of the trainning materials that are in the 
> Daisey books. So far I'm impressed with the way Jaws is working for me, 
> and I'm happy with all the contact that I have had with VFO. Tony
> 
> -Original Message- From: Raul A. Gallegos via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 2:07 PM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
> 
> Richard, this means you have a choice. If you can find a trainer who is
> willing to work with you after hours, then you make it happen. However,
> this will not happen for free in most cases. This is especially true if
> you want one-on-one training. As mentioned from me and a few others, you
> might be able to set something up with someone if you feel you really
> need one-on-one training. Some will do this as a volunteer and for free
> while most will want to be charged for their time.
> 
> 
> Best of luck, and if you are interested, let me know.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Raul A. Gallegos
> Assistive Technology Trainer - RGA Tech Solutions
> Voice and Text: 832.554.7285
> Office: 832.639.4477
> Personal Email: r...@raulgallegos.com
> Work Email: train...@rgats.com
> Twitter: @rga7285 and @RGATrainer
> 
> “Any teacher that can be replaced with a computer, deserves to be.” - 
> David Thornburg
> 
> On 5/17/2017 12:43 PM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote:
>> No of course not however why can't these companies have people to  
>> work from home when the regular crew finishes their shift. Perfect 
>> example I get home from work or maybe a ballgame or concert or 
>> whatever it is midnight I am doing something on my home computer and I 
>> encounter a problem, what do I do? Can't fix the problem next morning 
>> since I must go to work.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk 
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
>> Behalf Of John Farley via Talk
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:10 PM
>> To: 'richard kurlander' <r.kurlan...@verizon.net>; 'Window-Eyes 
>> Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>; 'Juan Hernandez' 
>> <juanhernande...@gmail.com>
>> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
>>
>> Richard,
>>
>> Are you really asking that a blind person, such as myself in the past, 
>> who just happens to work in the computer field should, at the end of a 
>> long day, find someone who is having problems with their use of the 
>> PC, travel to wherever they live and spend a few hours helping them out?
>> Working as a blind person in the sighted world of computing is a hard 
>> slog and not as easy as you may think.
>>
>> I have tried to provide the hands on help in the past. It was not 
>> successful from my viewpoint.
>> It often turns out that in fact you finish up teaching basic PC skills 
>> as well as how to use a screen reader, which is not what I signed up for.
>>
>> I will provide written help on user lists such as this, but no longer 
>> hands on help.
>> I do, very occasionally, stand in as a trainer in a local class for 
>> teaching visually impaired people about PC skills when the usual 
>> trainer is on vacation.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards, John
>>
>> Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
>> Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk 
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] 
>> On Behalf Of richard kurlander via Talk
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 6:39 AM
>> To: Juan Hernandez; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
>>
>> if you a computer engineer you know a lot more
>> than I do and people like you should help other
>> blind people by giving them hands on training if
>> you do tech support.At 04:01 PM 5/16/2017, you wrote:
>>> Simplicity is in the eye of the beholder. We all
>>> need different things.  I am a computer
>>> engineer, so I need access to some of the more
>>> advanced aspects of the screen reader to use my
>>> various

Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

2017-05-17 Thread Orlando Enrique Fiol via Talk 

At 04:58 PM 5/17/2017, Tony C via Talk wrote:
>Hi, I haven't used Jaws since 2004 and have forgotten a lot. But, I 
find that a lot is coming back and the transition isn't as bad as I 
thought it would be. lol.



Here's a perfect example. Why did you transition now? Was there an 
application that did not work with Window-eyes that required another 
screen reading option? FAct is, no one actually has any need to 
migrate in order to be productive. The only need for migration is in 
a case where Window-eyes is not meeting your needs, in which case, 
you would have switched screen readers anyway.

Orlando Enrique Fiol

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Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

2017-05-17 Thread Tony C via Talk 
   That's correct VFO could have just said W E is done and if you want Jaws 
then buy it. Let's quit complaining and use that time to learn Jaws. lol


-Original Message- 
From: Dennis Long via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 3:50 PM
To: 'Orlando Enrique Fiol' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

No your wrong VFO doesn't have to do anything!  You're not entitled to
anything!  If you had sma'
S they could've refunded  you for what wasn't used and said we aren't
upgrading you to jaws 18.  They certainly didn't have to give those that
were current a copy of jaws they did so those that think there entitled  to
things just because you need to learn a new screen reader you're not!

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Orlando Enrique Fiol via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 4:46 PM
To: john_far...@btinternet.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

At 02:37 PM 5/17/2017, John Farley via Talk wrote:

You have missed the point again.
These people you would like to work from home will require paying;  >they

will not do it for nothing.

Not only that, if they are working from home their employers may well
need to supply their kit and internet access for them to ensure the
correct level of security is available.
Either that or the service company works shifts to provide a greater
level of hours covered.
That will cost.


I fear that a vital point is being missed here. Let's assume that Richard
uses Window-eyes well enough to function at home and work, and that any
improvements he needs to make can be handled on his own time. Learning a new
screen reader is not the same as improving usage of a screen reader one
knows well. If someone decides to switch screen readers, they are of course
responsible for mastering the new learning curve. But in this situation, we
are all being forced to migrate to Jaws or to use another screen reader, at
such a time when Window-eyes becomes unusable. This is not a situation of
our own making or choosing. Therefore some tutorial responsibility is
incumbent on VFO for producing these circumstances in the first place. I
would, however, stop short of demanding that such a tutorial be made
available one-on-one and free of charge. As long as online tutorials are
comprehensive rather than brief and sketchy, VFO will have fulfilled its
obligations to migrating Window-eyes users. That's an important distinction
to be made here. There is a difference between what certain users might
prefer and what constitutes reasonable accommodation of migrating
Window-eyes users.

Orlando Enrique Fiol

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Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

2017-05-17 Thread Tony C via Talk 
Since Window Eyes hasn't just suddenly been rendered un-useable, why are 
people freaking over having to learn or relearn Jaws? There's ample time to 
learn at your own pace. Just download and use the trainning materials and 
you'll be surprised that it won't take very long at all to become proficent 
with Jaws. VFO is allowing everyone who are current with WE to make the 
switch at no cost, and their tech support is there, either VIA phone or 
E-mail. If you have a question that needs an answer to ASAP and it's after 
hours then do the same thing you did with G W Micro, read the help materials 
or send an e mail and wait for a response.


-Original Message- 
From: Orlando Enrique Fiol via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 3:45 PM
To: john_far...@btinternet.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

At 02:37 PM 5/17/2017, John Farley via Talk wrote:

You have missed the point again.
These people you would like to work from home will require paying;
they will not do it for nothing.
Not only that, if they are working from home their employers may well
need to supply their kit and internet access for them to ensure the
correct level of security is available.
Either that or the service company works shifts to provide a greater
level of hours covered.
That will cost.


I fear that a vital point is being missed here. Let's assume that
Richard uses Window-eyes well enough to function at home and work,
and that any improvements he needs to make can be handled on his own
time. Learning a new screen reader is not the same as improving usage
of a screen reader one knows well. If someone decides to switch
screen readers, they are of course responsible for mastering the new
learning curve. But in this situation, we are all being forced to
migrate to Jaws or to use another screen reader, at such a time when
Window-eyes becomes unusable. This is not a situation of our own
making or choosing. Therefore some tutorial responsibility is
incumbent on VFO for producing these circumstances in the first
place. I would, however, stop short of demanding that such a tutorial
be made available one-on-one and free of charge. As long as online
tutorials are comprehensive rather than brief and sketchy, VFO will
have fulfilled its obligations to migrating Window-eyes users. That's
an important distinction to be made here. There is a difference
between what certain users might prefer and what constitutes
reasonable accommodation of migrating Window-eyes users.

Orlando Enrique Fiol

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Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

2017-05-17 Thread Tony C via Talk 
Hi, I haven't used Jaws since 2004 and have forgotten a lot. But, I find 
that a lot is coming back and the transition isn't as bad as I thought it 
would be. lol.


-Original Message- 
From: Robin via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 2:58 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

some one put a link to download for jaws on this list  bcould they
please do it again .
It's going to be hard to change over after using windoweyes so long.
many thanks.
Cheers Robin.
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Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

2017-05-17 Thread Tony C via Talk 
Hi, As good as the trainning materials are, and the Jaws help. If someone 
can't take the time to read and listen to the materials that cover the area 
they need help with, then that's pretty lazy in my opinion. I haven't used 
Jaws since 2004 and quite a bit has changed and I've forgotten a heck of a 
lot. I've had to ask a few questions, and I've listened to a little of the 
trainning materials that are in the Daisey books. So far I'm impressed with 
the way Jaws is working for me, and I'm happy with all the contact that I 
have had with VFO. Tony


-Original Message- 
From: Raul A. Gallegos via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 2:07 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Richard, this means you have a choice. If you can find a trainer who is
willing to work with you after hours, then you make it happen. However,
this will not happen for free in most cases. This is especially true if
you want one-on-one training. As mentioned from me and a few others, you
might be able to set something up with someone if you feel you really
need one-on-one training. Some will do this as a volunteer and for free
while most will want to be charged for their time.


Best of luck, and if you are interested, let me know.


--
Raul A. Gallegos
Assistive Technology Trainer - RGA Tech Solutions
Voice and Text: 832.554.7285
Office: 832.639.4477
Personal Email: r...@raulgallegos.com
Work Email: train...@rgats.com
Twitter: @rga7285 and @RGATrainer

“Any teacher that can be replaced with a computer, deserves to be.” - David 
Thornburg


On 5/17/2017 12:43 PM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote:
No of course not however why can't these companies have people to  work 
from home when the regular crew finishes their shift. Perfect example I 
get home from work or maybe a ballgame or concert or whatever it is 
midnight I am doing something on my home computer and I encounter a 
problem, what do I do? Can't fix the problem next morning since I must go 
to work.


-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of John Farley via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:10 PM
To: 'richard kurlander' <r.kurlan...@verizon.net>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion 
List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>; 'Juan Hernandez' 
<juanhernande...@gmail.com>

Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Richard,

Are you really asking that a blind person, such as myself in the past, 
who just happens to work in the computer field should, at the end of a 
long day, find someone who is having problems with their use of the PC, 
travel to wherever they live and spend a few hours helping them out?
Working as a blind person in the sighted world of computing is a hard slog 
and not as easy as you may think.


I have tried to provide the hands on help in the past. It was not 
successful from my viewpoint.
It often turns out that in fact you finish up teaching basic PC skills as 
well as how to use a screen reader, which is not what I signed up for.


I will provide written help on user lists such as this, but no longer 
hands on help.
I do, very occasionally, stand in as a trainer in a local class for 
teaching visually impaired people about PC skills when the usual trainer 
is on vacation.





Regards, John

Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076




-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of richard kurlander via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 6:39 AM
To: Juan Hernandez; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

if you a computer engineer you know a lot more
than I do and people like you should help other
blind people by giving them hands on training if
you do tech support.At 04:01 PM 5/16/2017, you wrote:

Simplicity is in the eye of the beholder. We all
need different things.  I am a computer
engineer, so I need access to some of the more
advanced aspects of the screen reader to use my
various software development tools.  Screen
readers are there to help all of us.  And that
means having lots of features that some of us
will use and that others will not. Best, Juan
Hernandez juanhernande...@gmail.com 619-750-9431
(M) |  858-777-3311 (F) My WebSite |
Twitter | FaceBook | LinkedIn -Original
Message- From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+juanhernandez98=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:01 AM To: Russ
Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes
Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration I
don't like that either if this what does happen.
I use outlook 2013 at work part of office 365
and at home I still use Eudora 7.1.9 for my
client e-mail and I have also outlook set up as
I have also office 365 at home. Don't you feel
that screne readers should be made as simple as
p

RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

2017-05-17 Thread Dennis Long via Talk 
No your wrong VFO doesn't have to do anything!  You're not entitled to
anything!  If you had sma'
S they could've refunded  you for what wasn't used and said we aren't
upgrading you to jaws 18.  They certainly didn't have to give those that
were current a copy of jaws they did so those that think there entitled  to
things just because you need to learn a new screen reader you're not! 

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Orlando Enrique Fiol via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 4:46 PM
To: john_far...@btinternet.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

At 02:37 PM 5/17/2017, John Farley via Talk wrote:
 >You have missed the point again.
 >These people you would like to work from home will require paying;  >they
will not do it for nothing.
 >Not only that, if they are working from home their employers may well
>need to supply their kit and internet access for them to ensure the
>correct level of security is available.
 >Either that or the service company works shifts to provide a greater
>level of hours covered.
 >That will cost.

I fear that a vital point is being missed here. Let's assume that Richard
uses Window-eyes well enough to function at home and work, and that any
improvements he needs to make can be handled on his own time. Learning a new
screen reader is not the same as improving usage of a screen reader one
knows well. If someone decides to switch screen readers, they are of course
responsible for mastering the new learning curve. But in this situation, we
are all being forced to migrate to Jaws or to use another screen reader, at
such a time when Window-eyes becomes unusable. This is not a situation of
our own making or choosing. Therefore some tutorial responsibility is
incumbent on VFO for producing these circumstances in the first place. I
would, however, stop short of demanding that such a tutorial be made
available one-on-one and free of charge. As long as online tutorials are
comprehensive rather than brief and sketchy, VFO will have fulfilled its
obligations to migrating Window-eyes users. That's an important distinction
to be made here. There is a difference between what certain users might
prefer and what constitutes reasonable accommodation of migrating
Window-eyes users.

Orlando Enrique Fiol

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RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

2017-05-17 Thread Orlando Enrique Fiol via Talk 

At 02:37 PM 5/17/2017, John Farley via Talk wrote:
>You have missed the point again.
>These people you would like to work from home will require paying;
>they will not do it for nothing.
>Not only that, if they are working from home their employers may well
>need to supply their kit and internet access for them to ensure the
>correct level of security is available.
>Either that or the service company works shifts to provide a greater
>level of hours covered.
>That will cost.

I fear that a vital point is being missed here. Let's assume that 
Richard uses Window-eyes well enough to function at home and work, 
and that any improvements he needs to make can be handled on his own 
time. Learning a new screen reader is not the same as improving usage 
of a screen reader one knows well. If someone decides to switch 
screen readers, they are of course responsible for mastering the new 
learning curve. But in this situation, we are all being forced to 
migrate to Jaws or to use another screen reader, at such a time when 
Window-eyes becomes unusable. This is not a situation of our own 
making or choosing. Therefore some tutorial responsibility is 
incumbent on VFO for producing these circumstances in the first 
place. I would, however, stop short of demanding that such a tutorial 
be made available one-on-one and free of charge. As long as online 
tutorials are comprehensive rather than brief and sketchy, VFO will 
have fulfilled its obligations to migrating Window-eyes users. That's 
an important distinction to be made here. There is a difference 
between what certain users might prefer and what constitutes 
reasonable accommodation of migrating Window-eyes users.


Orlando Enrique Fiol

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Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

2017-05-17 Thread Orlando Enrique Fiol via Talk 

At 02:00 PM 5/17/2017, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:
>Richard, >Can you not see your incredible double standard here? Do 
you have 24/7 >hand-holding support from Microsoft on Windows and 
every other program >on your computer? >How do you learn to do anything?


The closest thing to that is Microsoft's disability answer desk, 
whose support agents are often based in foreign countries and vary in 
terms of knowledge. I have found some of them occasionally helpful 
with Windows issues.


>Life isn't served on a silver platter. If you want to learn 
something >you have to make it a priority. So you may have to skip a 
ballgame or >concert to do so. It's how the rest of us live. This 
world doesn't >revolve around me and my needs, my desires, and at my 
convenience. >Just in the time you've spent running this eternal 
thread you could have >been learning. You must have quite a job if 
you can sit there emailing >this list all day.



Nothing will be gained by recriminating Richard for his attitude or 
posting frequency. The central issue here revolves around the kind of 
help people need. VFO might do well to consider more advanced 
tutorials specifically geared toward advanced Window-eyes users 
making cause of its conceptual architecture. This approach would 
obviously be different than a one-to-one correspondence between 
hotkeys or cursoring keys. Does Jaws have equivalents for browse 
mode? If so, how is its verbosity structure accessed? What sorts of 
free Jaws apps are there that would correspond to many Window-eyes 
apps on App Central? What can users do when Window-eyes reads a 
windows screen that Jaws cannot? These are the types of questions 
that advanced users would probably have.

Orlando Enrique Fiol

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Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

2017-05-17 Thread Robin via Talk 
some one put a link to download for jaws on this list  bcould they
please do it again .
It's going to be hard to change over after using windoweyes so long.
many thanks.
Cheers Robin.
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RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

2017-05-17 Thread Amanda Lee via Talk 
Depending upon where you live, there may be a local nonprofit organization who 
provides training on Adaptive Technology.  Oftentimes, if you cannot afford to 
pay, they will find a way to accommodate you as well as they obtain funding 
from other sources such as State Rehabilitation agencies.  If your employment 
is dependent upon your transitioning to JAWS, then reach out to the State 
Rehabilitation agency serving your area as  they can generally accommodate you 
especially if your continued employment is contingent upon your learning skills 
with Adaptive Technology.  You generally need to justify this though.  You 
can't just pick up the phone and say you 'need this' or 'need that' put it in 
writing and you will make more progress.
 

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+amandainparadise777=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 3:07 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Richard, this means you have a choice. If you can find a trainer who is 
willing to work with you after hours, then you make it happen. However, 
this will not happen for free in most cases. This is especially true if 
you want one-on-one training. As mentioned from me and a few others, you 
might be able to set something up with someone if you feel you really 
need one-on-one training. Some will do this as a volunteer and for free 
while most will want to be charged for their time.


Best of luck, and if you are interested, let me know.


--
Raul A. Gallegos
Assistive Technology Trainer - RGA Tech Solutions
Voice and Text: 832.554.7285
Office: 832.639.4477
Personal Email: r...@raulgallegos.com
Work Email: train...@rgats.com
Twitter: @rga7285 and @RGATrainer

“Any teacher that can be replaced with a computer, deserves to be.” - David 
Thornburg

On 5/17/2017 12:43 PM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote:
> No of course not however why can't these companies have people to  work  from 
> home when the regular crew finishes their shift. Perfect example I get home 
> from work or maybe a ballgame or concert or whatever it is midnight I am 
> doing something on my home computer and I encounter a problem, what do I do? 
> Can't fix the problem next morning since I must go  to work.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk 
> [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
> Of John Farley via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:10 PM
> To: 'richard kurlander' <r.kurlan...@verizon.net>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion 
> List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>; 'Juan Hernandez' 
> <juanhernande...@gmail.com>
> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
>
> Richard,
>
> Are you really asking that a blind person, such as myself in the past,  who 
> just happens to work in the computer field should, at the end of a long day, 
> find someone who is having problems with their use of the PC, travel to 
> wherever they live and spend a few hours helping them out?
> Working as a blind person in the sighted world of computing is a hard slog 
> and not as easy as you may think.
>
> I have tried to provide the hands on help in the past. It was not successful 
> from my viewpoint.
> It often turns out that in fact you finish up teaching basic PC skills as 
> well as how to use a screen reader, which is not what I signed up for.
>
> I will provide written help on user lists such as this, but no longer hands 
> on help.
> I do, very occasionally, stand in as a trainer in a local class for teaching 
> visually impaired people about PC skills when the usual trainer is on 
> vacation.
>
>
>
>
> Regards, John
>
> Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
> Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk 
> [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet....@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of richard kurlander via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 6:39 AM
> To: Juan Hernandez; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
>
> if you a computer engineer you know a lot more
> than I do and people like you should help other
> blind people by giving them hands on training if
> you do tech support.At 04:01 PM 5/16/2017, you wrote:
>> Simplicity is in the eye of the beholder. We all
>> need different things.  I am a computer
>> engineer, so I need access to some of the more
>> advanced aspects of the screen reader to use my
>> various software development tools.  Screen
>> readers are there to help all of us.  And that
>> means having lots of features that some of us
>> will use and that others will not. Best, Juan
>> Hernandez juanhernande...@gmail.com 619-750-9431
>> (M) |

Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

2017-05-17 Thread Raul A. Gallegos via Talk 
Richard, this means you have a choice. If you can find a trainer who is 
willing to work with you after hours, then you make it happen. However, 
this will not happen for free in most cases. This is especially true if 
you want one-on-one training. As mentioned from me and a few others, you 
might be able to set something up with someone if you feel you really 
need one-on-one training. Some will do this as a volunteer and for free 
while most will want to be charged for their time.



Best of luck, and if you are interested, let me know.


--
Raul A. Gallegos
Assistive Technology Trainer - RGA Tech Solutions
Voice and Text: 832.554.7285
Office: 832.639.4477
Personal Email: r...@raulgallegos.com
Work Email: train...@rgats.com
Twitter: @rga7285 and @RGATrainer

“Any teacher that can be replaced with a computer, deserves to be.” - David 
Thornburg

On 5/17/2017 12:43 PM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote:

No of course not however why can't these companies have people to  work  from 
home when the regular crew finishes their shift. Perfect example I get home 
from work or maybe a ballgame or concert or whatever it is midnight I am doing 
something on my home computer and I encounter a problem, what do I do? Can't 
fix the problem next morning since I must go  to work.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of John Farley via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:10 PM
To: 'richard kurlander' <r.kurlan...@verizon.net>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>; 'Juan Hernandez' <juanhernande...@gmail.com>
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Richard,

Are you really asking that a blind person, such as myself in the past,  who 
just happens to work in the computer field should, at the end of a long day, 
find someone who is having problems with their use of the PC, travel to 
wherever they live and spend a few hours helping them out?
Working as a blind person in the sighted world of computing is a hard slog and 
not as easy as you may think.

I have tried to provide the hands on help in the past. It was not successful 
from my viewpoint.
It often turns out that in fact you finish up teaching basic PC skills as well 
as how to use a screen reader, which is not what I signed up for.

I will provide written help on user lists such as this, but no longer hands on 
help.
I do, very occasionally, stand in as a trainer in a local class for teaching 
visually impaired people about PC skills when the usual trainer is on vacation.




Regards, John

Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076




-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of richard kurlander via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 6:39 AM
To: Juan Hernandez; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

if you a computer engineer you know a lot more
than I do and people like you should help other
blind people by giving them hands on training if
you do tech support.At 04:01 PM 5/16/2017, you wrote:

Simplicity is in the eye of the beholder. We all
need different things.  I am a computer
engineer, so I need access to some of the more
advanced aspects of the screen reader to use my
various software development tools.  Screen
readers are there to help all of us.  And that
means having lots of features that some of us
will use and that others will not. Best, Juan
Hernandez juanhernande...@gmail.com 619-750-9431
(M) |  858-777-3311 (F) My WebSite |
Twitter | FaceBook | LinkedIn -Original
Message- From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+juanhernandez98=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:01 AM To: Russ
Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes
Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration I
don't like that either if this what does happen.
I use outlook 2013 at work part of office 365
and at home I still use Eudora 7.1.9 for my
client e-mail and I have also outlook set up as
I have also office 365 at home. Don't you feel
that screne readers should be made as simple as
possible? -Original Message- From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk Sent: Tuesday,
May 16, 2017 11:40 AM To: Steve Nutt
<st...@comproom.co.uk>; 'Dennis Long'
<dennisl1...@gmail.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion
List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: Re:
Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration I just wished all
of the graphics were labeled in the windows live
mail app. When I arrow up and down in the
windows live maill app in jaws, it won’t say
things like, replied, forwarded, read etc.  It
does in window eyes. -Original Message-
From: Steve Nutt via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16,
2017 1:21 AM To: 'Dennis Long' ; 'Window-Eyes
D

RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

2017-05-17 Thread John Farley via Talk 
Richard,

You have missed the point again.
These people you would like to work from home will require paying; they will 
not do it for nothing.
Not only that, if they are working from home their employers may well need to 
supply their kit and internet access for them to ensure the correct level of 
security is available.
Either that or the service company works shifts to provide a greater level of 
hours covered. 
That will cost.

If your need is that urgent then it may be incumbent on you to call them during 
their working hours.
 


Regards, John

Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076



-Original Message-
From: Kurlander Richard (75) [mailto:rkur...@schools.nyc.gov] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 6:44 PM
To: john_far...@btinternet.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

No of course not however why can't these companies have people to  work  from 
home when the regular crew finishes their shift. Perfect example I get home 
from work or maybe a ballgame or concert or whatever it is midnight I am doing 
something on my home computer and I encounter a problem, what do I do? Can't 
fix the problem next morning since I must go  to work.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of John Farley via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:10 PM
To: 'richard kurlander' <r.kurlan...@verizon.net>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion 
List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>; 'Juan Hernandez' <juanhernande...@gmail.com>
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Richard,

Are you really asking that a blind person, such as myself in the past,  who 
just happens to work in the computer field should, at the end of a long day, 
find someone who is having problems with their use of the PC, travel to 
wherever they live and spend a few hours helping them out?
Working as a blind person in the sighted world of computing is a hard slog and 
not as easy as you may think.

I have tried to provide the hands on help in the past. It was not successful 
from my viewpoint.
It often turns out that in fact you finish up teaching basic PC skills as well 
as how to use a screen reader, which is not what I signed up for.

I will provide written help on user lists such as this, but no longer hands on 
help.
I do, very occasionally, stand in as a trainer in a local class for teaching 
visually impaired people about PC skills when the usual trainer is on vacation.




Regards, John

Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076




-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of richard kurlander via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 6:39 AM
To: Juan Hernandez; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

if you a computer engineer you know a lot more 
than I do and people like you should help other 
blind people by giving them hands on training if 
you do tech support.At 04:01 PM 5/16/2017, you wrote:
>Simplicity is in the eye of the beholder. We all 
>need different things.  I am a computer 
>engineer, so I need access to some of the more 
>advanced aspects of the screen reader to use my 
>various software development tools.  Screen 
>readers are there to help all of us.  And that 
>means having lots of features that some of us 
>will use and that others will not. Best, Juan 
>Hernandez juanhernande...@gmail.com 619-750-9431 
>(M) |  858-777-3311 (F) My WebSite | 
>Twitter | FaceBook | LinkedIn -Original 
>Message- From: Talk 
>[mailto:talk-bounces+juanhernandez98=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
>On Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk 
>Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:01 AM To: Russ 
>Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes 
>Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> 
>Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration I 
>don't like that either if this what does happen. 
>I use outlook 2013 at work part of office 365 
>and at home I still use Eudora 7.1.9 for my 
>client e-mail and I have also outlook set up as 
>I have also office 365 at home. Don't you feel 
>that screne readers should be made as simple as 
>possible? -Original Message- From: Talk 
>[mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] 
>On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk Sent: Tuesday, 
>May 16, 2017 11:40 AM To: Steve Nutt 
><st...@comproom.co.uk>; 'Dennis Long' 
><dennisl1...@gmail.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion 
>List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: Re: 
>Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration I just wished all 
>of the graphics were labeled in the windows live 
>mail app. When I arrow up and down in the 
>windows live maill app in jaws, it won’t say 
>things like, replied, forwarded, read etc.  It 
>does in window eyes. -Original Messag

RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

2017-05-17 Thread Dennis Long via Talk 
Here's an idea skip a few ball games or concerts and learn your new screen 
reader your incredibly unreasonable  everything isn't handed to you and to 
expect people to train you because they know more your completely out of touch 
with the reality!

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:44 PM
To: john_far...@btinternet.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

No of course not however why can't these companies have people to  work  from 
home when the regular crew finishes their shift. Perfect example I get home 
from work or maybe a ballgame or concert or whatever it is midnight I am doing 
something on my home computer and I encounter a problem, what do I do? Can't 
fix the problem next morning since I must go  to work.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of John Farley via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:10 PM
To: 'richard kurlander' <r.kurlan...@verizon.net>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion 
List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>; 'Juan Hernandez' <juanhernande...@gmail.com>
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Richard,

Are you really asking that a blind person, such as myself in the past,  who 
just happens to work in the computer field should, at the end of a long day, 
find someone who is having problems with their use of the PC, travel to 
wherever they live and spend a few hours helping them out?
Working as a blind person in the sighted world of computing is a hard slog and 
not as easy as you may think.

I have tried to provide the hands on help in the past. It was not successful 
from my viewpoint.
It often turns out that in fact you finish up teaching basic PC skills as well 
as how to use a screen reader, which is not what I signed up for.

I will provide written help on user lists such as this, but no longer hands on 
help.
I do, very occasionally, stand in as a trainer in a local class for teaching 
visually impaired people about PC skills when the usual trainer is on vacation.




Regards, John

Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076




-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of richard kurlander via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 6:39 AM
To: Juan Hernandez; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

if you a computer engineer you know a lot more than I do and people like you 
should help other blind people by giving them hands on training if you do tech 
support.At 04:01 PM 5/16/2017, you wrote:
>Simplicity is in the eye of the beholder. We all need different things.  
>I am a computer engineer, so I need access to some of the more advanced 
>aspects of the screen reader to use my various software development 
>tools.  Screen readers are there to help all of us.  And that means 
>having lots of features that some of us will use and that others will 
>not. Best, Juan Hernandez juanhernande...@gmail.com 619-750-9431
>(M) |  858-777-3311 (F) My WebSite | 
>Twitter | FaceBook | LinkedIn -Original
>Message- From: Talk
>[mailto:talk-bounces+juanhernandez98=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
>On Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk
>Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:01 AM To: Russ Kiehne 
><russ94...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
><talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
>Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration I don't like that either if 
>this what does happen.
>I use outlook 2013 at work part of office 365 and at home I still use 
>Eudora 7.1.9 for my client e-mail and I have also outlook set up as I 
>have also office 365 at home. Don't you feel that screne readers should 
>be made as simple as possible? -Original Message- From: Talk 
>[mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com]
>On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 11:40 AM 
>To: Steve Nutt <st...@comproom.co.uk>; 'Dennis Long'
><dennisl1...@gmail.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
><talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: Re:
>Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration I just wished all of the graphics were 
>labeled in the windows live mail app. When I arrow up and down in the 
>windows live maill app in jaws, it won’t say things like, replied, 
>forwarded, read etc.  It does in window eyes. -Original 
>Message-----
>From: Steve Nutt via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16,
>2017 1:21 AM To: 'Dennis Long' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: 
>RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Hi, It really depends on what you 
>want to do.  NVDA is vastly better on the web than JAWS and I believe 
>always will be.  But not configurable enough. All the

Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

2017-05-17 Thread Tom Kingston via Talk 

Richard,
Can you not see your incredible double standard here? Do you have 24/7 
hand-holding support from Microsoft on Windows and every other program 
on your computer?

How do you learn to do anything?
Life isn't served on a silver platter. If you want to learn something 
you have to make it a priority. So you may have to skip a ballgame or 
concert to do so. It's how the rest of us live. This world doesn't 
revolve around me and my needs, my desires, and at my convenience.
Just in the time you've spent running this eternal thread you could have 
been learning. You must have quite a job if you can sit there emailing 
this list all day.

Regards,
Tom


On 5/17/2017 1:43 PM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote:

No of course not however why can't these companies have people to  work  from 
home when the regular crew finishes their shift. Perfect example I get home 
from work or maybe a ballgame or concert or whatever it is midnight I am doing 
something on my home computer and I encounter a problem, what do I do? Can't 
fix the problem next morning since I must go  to work.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of John Farley via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:10 PM
To: 'richard kurlander' <r.kurlan...@verizon.net>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>; 'Juan Hernandez' <juanhernande...@gmail.com>
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Richard,

Are you really asking that a blind person, such as myself in the past,  who 
just happens to work in the computer field should, at the end of a long day, 
find someone who is having problems with their use of the PC, travel to 
wherever they live and spend a few hours helping them out?
Working as a blind person in the sighted world of computing is a hard slog and 
not as easy as you may think.

I have tried to provide the hands on help in the past. It was not successful 
from my viewpoint.
It often turns out that in fact you finish up teaching basic PC skills as well 
as how to use a screen reader, which is not what I signed up for.

I will provide written help on user lists such as this, but no longer hands on 
help.
I do, very occasionally, stand in as a trainer in a local class for teaching 
visually impaired people about PC skills when the usual trainer is on vacation.




Regards, John

Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076




-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of richard kurlander via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 6:39 AM
To: Juan Hernandez; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

if you a computer engineer you know a lot more
than I do and people like you should help other
blind people by giving them hands on training if
you do tech support.At 04:01 PM 5/16/2017, you wrote:

Simplicity is in the eye of the beholder. We all
need different things.  I am a computer
engineer, so I need access to some of the more
advanced aspects of the screen reader to use my
various software development tools.  Screen
readers are there to help all of us.  And that
means having lots of features that some of us
will use and that others will not. Best, Juan
Hernandez juanhernande...@gmail.com 619-750-9431
(M) |  858-777-3311 (F) My WebSite |
Twitter | FaceBook | LinkedIn -Original
Message- From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+juanhernandez98=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:01 AM To: Russ
Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes
Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration I
don't like that either if this what does happen.
I use outlook 2013 at work part of office 365
and at home I still use Eudora 7.1.9 for my
client e-mail and I have also outlook set up as
I have also office 365 at home. Don't you feel
that screne readers should be made as simple as
possible? -Original Message- From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk Sent: Tuesday,
May 16, 2017 11:40 AM To: Steve Nutt
<st...@comproom.co.uk>; 'Dennis Long'
<dennisl1...@gmail.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion
List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: Re:
Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration I just wished all
of the graphics were labeled in the windows live
mail app. When I arrow up and down in the
windows live maill app in jaws, it won’t say
things like, replied, forwarded, read etc.  It
does in window eyes. -Original Message-
From: Steve Nutt via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16,
2017 1:21 AM To: 'Dennis Long' ; 'Window-Eyes
Discussion List' Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to
JAWS Migration Hi, It really depends on what you
want to do.  NVDA is vastly better on the web
than JAWS and I believe always will be.  But not
confi

RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

2017-05-17 Thread Amanda Lee via Talk 
Email is your friend!  I work a help desk and if someone is available, they 
will reply as we also work with International customers so timezones are 
literally all over the map!



-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+amandainparadise777=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:44 PM
To: john_far...@btinternet.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

No of course not however why can't these companies have people to  work  from 
home when the regular crew finishes their shift. Perfect example I get home 
from work or maybe a ballgame or concert or whatever it is midnight I am doing 
something on my home computer and I encounter a problem, what do I do? Can't 
fix the problem next morning since I must go  to work.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of John Farley via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:10 PM
To: 'richard kurlander' <r.kurlan...@verizon.net>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion 
List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>; 'Juan Hernandez' <juanhernande...@gmail.com>
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Richard,

Are you really asking that a blind person, such as myself in the past,  who 
just happens to work in the computer field should, at the end of a long day, 
find someone who is having problems with their use of the PC, travel to 
wherever they live and spend a few hours helping them out?
Working as a blind person in the sighted world of computing is a hard slog and 
not as easy as you may think.

I have tried to provide the hands on help in the past. It was not successful 
from my viewpoint.
It often turns out that in fact you finish up teaching basic PC skills as well 
as how to use a screen reader, which is not what I signed up for.

I will provide written help on user lists such as this, but no longer hands on 
help.
I do, very occasionally, stand in as a trainer in a local class for teaching 
visually impaired people about PC skills when the usual trainer is on vacation.




Regards, John

Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076




-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of richard kurlander via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 6:39 AM
To: Juan Hernandez; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

if you a computer engineer you know a lot more 
than I do and people like you should help other 
blind people by giving them hands on training if 
you do tech support.At 04:01 PM 5/16/2017, you wrote:
>Simplicity is in the eye of the beholder. We all 
>need different things.  I am a computer 
>engineer, so I need access to some of the more 
>advanced aspects of the screen reader to use my 
>various software development tools.  Screen 
>readers are there to help all of us.  And that 
>means having lots of features that some of us 
>will use and that others will not. Best, Juan 
>Hernandez juanhernande...@gmail.com 619-750-9431 
>(M) |  858-777-3311 (F) My WebSite | 
>Twitter | FaceBook | LinkedIn -Original 
>Message- From: Talk 
>[mailto:talk-bounces+juanhernandez98=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
>On Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk 
>Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:01 AM To: Russ 
>Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes 
>Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> 
>Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration I 
>don't like that either if this what does happen. 
>I use outlook 2013 at work part of office 365 
>and at home I still use Eudora 7.1.9 for my 
>client e-mail and I have also outlook set up as 
>I have also office 365 at home. Don't you feel 
>that screne readers should be made as simple as 
>possible? -Original Message- From: Talk 
>[mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] 
>On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk Sent: Tuesday, 
>May 16, 2017 11:40 AM To: Steve Nutt 
><st...@comproom.co.uk>; 'Dennis Long' 
><dennisl1...@gmail.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion 
>List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: Re: 
>Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration I just wished all 
>of the graphics were labeled in the windows live 
>mail app. When I arrow up and down in the 
>windows live maill app in jaws, it won’t say 
>things like, replied, forwarded, read etc.  It 
>does in window eyes. -Original Message----- 
>From: Steve Nutt via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 
>2017 1:21 AM To: 'Dennis Long' ; 'Window-Eyes 
>Discussion List' Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to 
>JAWS Migration Hi, It really depends on what you 
>want to do.  NVDA is vastly better on the web 
>than JAWS and I believe always will be.  But not

RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

2017-05-17 Thread Darrell Bowles via Talk 
I think when I've worked at my work at home job for a while, I'll start my own 
screen reading help service.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:44 PM
To: john_far...@btinternet.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

No of course not however why can't these companies have people to  work  from 
home when the regular crew finishes their shift. Perfect example I get home 
from work or maybe a ballgame or concert or whatever it is midnight I am doing 
something on my home computer and I encounter a problem, what do I do? Can't 
fix the problem next morning since I must go  to work.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of John Farley via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:10 PM
To: 'richard kurlander' <r.kurlan...@verizon.net>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion 
List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>; 'Juan Hernandez' <juanhernande...@gmail.com>
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Richard,

Are you really asking that a blind person, such as myself in the past,  who 
just happens to work in the computer field should, at the end of a long day, 
find someone who is having problems with their use of the PC, travel to 
wherever they live and spend a few hours helping them out?
Working as a blind person in the sighted world of computing is a hard slog and 
not as easy as you may think.

I have tried to provide the hands on help in the past. It was not successful 
from my viewpoint.
It often turns out that in fact you finish up teaching basic PC skills as well 
as how to use a screen reader, which is not what I signed up for.

I will provide written help on user lists such as this, but no longer hands on 
help.
I do, very occasionally, stand in as a trainer in a local class for teaching 
visually impaired people about PC skills when the usual trainer is on vacation.




Regards, John

Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076




-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of richard kurlander via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 6:39 AM
To: Juan Hernandez; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

if you a computer engineer you know a lot more than I do and people like you 
should help other blind people by giving them hands on training if you do tech 
support.At 04:01 PM 5/16/2017, you wrote:
>Simplicity is in the eye of the beholder. We all need different things.  
>I am a computer engineer, so I need access to some of the more advanced 
>aspects of the screen reader to use my various software development 
>tools.  Screen readers are there to help all of us.  And that means 
>having lots of features that some of us will use and that others will 
>not. Best, Juan Hernandez juanhernande...@gmail.com 619-750-9431
>(M) |  858-777-3311 (F) My WebSite | 
>Twitter | FaceBook | LinkedIn -Original
>Message- From: Talk
>[mailto:talk-bounces+juanhernandez98=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
>On Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk
>Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:01 AM To: Russ Kiehne 
><russ94...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
><talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
>Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration I don't like that either if 
>this what does happen.
>I use outlook 2013 at work part of office 365 and at home I still use 
>Eudora 7.1.9 for my client e-mail and I have also outlook set up as I 
>have also office 365 at home. Don't you feel that screne readers should 
>be made as simple as possible? -Original Message- From: Talk 
>[mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com]
>On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 11:40 AM 
>To: Steve Nutt <st...@comproom.co.uk>; 'Dennis Long'
><dennisl1...@gmail.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
><talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: Re:
>Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration I just wished all of the graphics were 
>labeled in the windows live mail app. When I arrow up and down in the 
>windows live maill app in jaws, it won’t say things like, replied, 
>forwarded, read etc.  It does in window eyes. -Original 
>Message-----
>From: Steve Nutt via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16,
>2017 1:21 AM To: 'Dennis Long' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: 
>RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Hi, It really depends on what you 
>want to do.  NVDA is vastly better on the web than JAWS and I believe 
>always will be.  But not configurable enough. All the best Steve 
>-Original Message- From: Talk 
>[mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.windo

RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

2017-05-17 Thread Kurlander Richard (750000) via Talk 
No of course not however why can't these companies have people to  work  from 
home when the regular crew finishes their shift. Perfect example I get home 
from work or maybe a ballgame or concert or whatever it is midnight I am doing 
something on my home computer and I encounter a problem, what do I do? Can't 
fix the problem next morning since I must go  to work.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of John Farley via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 1:10 PM
To: 'richard kurlander' <r.kurlan...@verizon.net>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion 
List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>; 'Juan Hernandez' <juanhernande...@gmail.com>
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Richard,

Are you really asking that a blind person, such as myself in the past,  who 
just happens to work in the computer field should, at the end of a long day, 
find someone who is having problems with their use of the PC, travel to 
wherever they live and spend a few hours helping them out?
Working as a blind person in the sighted world of computing is a hard slog and 
not as easy as you may think.

I have tried to provide the hands on help in the past. It was not successful 
from my viewpoint.
It often turns out that in fact you finish up teaching basic PC skills as well 
as how to use a screen reader, which is not what I signed up for.

I will provide written help on user lists such as this, but no longer hands on 
help.
I do, very occasionally, stand in as a trainer in a local class for teaching 
visually impaired people about PC skills when the usual trainer is on vacation.




Regards, John

Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076




-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of richard kurlander via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 6:39 AM
To: Juan Hernandez; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

if you a computer engineer you know a lot more 
than I do and people like you should help other 
blind people by giving them hands on training if 
you do tech support.At 04:01 PM 5/16/2017, you wrote:
>Simplicity is in the eye of the beholder. We all 
>need different things.  I am a computer 
>engineer, so I need access to some of the more 
>advanced aspects of the screen reader to use my 
>various software development tools.  Screen 
>readers are there to help all of us.  And that 
>means having lots of features that some of us 
>will use and that others will not. Best, Juan 
>Hernandez juanhernande...@gmail.com 619-750-9431 
>(M) |  858-777-3311 (F) My WebSite | 
>Twitter | FaceBook | LinkedIn -Original 
>Message- From: Talk 
>[mailto:talk-bounces+juanhernandez98=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
>On Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk 
>Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:01 AM To: Russ 
>Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes 
>Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> 
>Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration I 
>don't like that either if this what does happen. 
>I use outlook 2013 at work part of office 365 
>and at home I still use Eudora 7.1.9 for my 
>client e-mail and I have also outlook set up as 
>I have also office 365 at home. Don't you feel 
>that screne readers should be made as simple as 
>possible? -Original Message- From: Talk 
>[mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] 
>On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk Sent: Tuesday, 
>May 16, 2017 11:40 AM To: Steve Nutt 
><st...@comproom.co.uk>; 'Dennis Long' 
><dennisl1...@gmail.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion 
>List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: Re: 
>Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration I just wished all 
>of the graphics were labeled in the windows live 
>mail app. When I arrow up and down in the 
>windows live maill app in jaws, it won’t say 
>things like, replied, forwarded, read etc.  It 
>does in window eyes. -Original Message- 
>From: Steve Nutt via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 
>2017 1:21 AM To: 'Dennis Long' ; 'Window-Eyes 
>Discussion List' Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to 
>JAWS Migration Hi, It really depends on what you 
>want to do.  NVDA is vastly better on the web 
>than JAWS and I believe always will be.  But not 
>configurable enough. All the best Steve 
>-Original Message- From: Talk 
>[mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] 
>On Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk Sent: 15 May 
>2017 17:45 To: 'Darrell Bowles' 
><dgbow...@msn.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion 
>List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Cc: 
>'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
><talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: RE: 
>Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Got news for one 
>or two user won't make a dif

RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

2017-05-17 Thread John Farley via Talk 
Richard,

Are you really asking that a blind person, such as myself in the past,  who 
just happens to work in the computer field should, at the end of a long day, 
find someone who is having problems with their use of the PC, travel to 
wherever they live and spend a few hours helping them out?
Working as a blind person in the sighted world of computing is a hard slog and 
not as easy as you may think.

I have tried to provide the hands on help in the past. It was not successful 
from my viewpoint.
It often turns out that in fact you finish up teaching basic PC skills as well 
as how to use a screen reader, which is not what I signed up for.

I will provide written help on user lists such as this, but no longer hands on 
help.
I do, very occasionally, stand in as a trainer in a local class for teaching 
visually impaired people about PC skills when the usual trainer is on vacation.




Regards, John

Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076




-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of richard kurlander via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 6:39 AM
To: Juan Hernandez; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

if you a computer engineer you know a lot more 
than I do and people like you should help other 
blind people by giving them hands on training if 
you do tech support.At 04:01 PM 5/16/2017, you wrote:
>Simplicity is in the eye of the beholder. We all 
>need different things.  I am a computer 
>engineer, so I need access to some of the more 
>advanced aspects of the screen reader to use my 
>various software development tools.  Screen 
>readers are there to help all of us.  And that 
>means having lots of features that some of us 
>will use and that others will not. Best, Juan 
>Hernandez juanhernande...@gmail.com 619-750-9431 
>(M) |  858-777-3311 (F) My WebSite | 
>Twitter | FaceBook | LinkedIn -Original 
>Message- From: Talk 
>[mailto:talk-bounces+juanhernandez98=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
>On Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk 
>Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:01 AM To: Russ 
>Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes 
>Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> 
>Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration I 
>don't like that either if this what does happen. 
>I use outlook 2013 at work part of office 365 
>and at home I still use Eudora 7.1.9 for my 
>client e-mail and I have also outlook set up as 
>I have also office 365 at home. Don't you feel 
>that screne readers should be made as simple as 
>possible? -Original Message- From: Talk 
>[mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] 
>On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk Sent: Tuesday, 
>May 16, 2017 11:40 AM To: Steve Nutt 
><st...@comproom.co.uk>; 'Dennis Long' 
><dennisl1...@gmail.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion 
>List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: Re: 
>Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration I just wished all 
>of the graphics were labeled in the windows live 
>mail app. When I arrow up and down in the 
>windows live maill app in jaws, it won’t say 
>things like, replied, forwarded, read etc.  It 
>does in window eyes. -Original Message----- 
>From: Steve Nutt via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 
>2017 1:21 AM To: 'Dennis Long' ; 'Window-Eyes 
>Discussion List' Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to 
>JAWS Migration Hi, It really depends on what you 
>want to do.  NVDA is vastly better on the web 
>than JAWS and I believe always will be.  But not 
>configurable enough. All the best Steve 
>-Original Message- From: Talk 
>[mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] 
>On Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk Sent: 15 May 
>2017 17:45 To: 'Darrell Bowles' 
><dgbow...@msn.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion 
>List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Cc: 
>'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
><talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: RE: 
>Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Got news for one 
>or two user won't make a difference.  You get 
>what you pay for or don't pay for.  NVDA is 
>nowhere as good as Jaws! -Original 
>Message- From: Talk 
>[mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
>On Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk Sent: 
>Monday, May 15, 2017 12:38 PM To: 
>aist...@ameritech.net; Window-Eyes Discussion 
>List Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration 
>If you really want to send a message to VFO, 
>either use narrator, Supernova, or donate to 
>NVDA! -Original Message- From: Talk 
>[mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] 
>On Behalf Of Adaptive Information Systems Inc. 
>via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:35 PM To: 
>'Doug Geoffray' <dgeoff...@vfogro

Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

2017-05-17 Thread Matthew Chao via Talk 
Hey, Grumpy Dave.  Thoroughly agree.  Right now, it all starts in 
Washington - need I say more?



Yes, if asked politely, I usually volunteer; if imposed upon, not so 
much.--Matthew Chao





On 5/17/2017 10:29 AM, Dave via Talk wrote:

I am always taken a back by those who sincerely believe they have the
right to demand help from others who have the skills or the knowledge.

I see nothing wrong with asking someone for help, but to expect it, or
demand it, just comes off as the ugly Entitled Attitudes we are seeing
far too much of in the last few years


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RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

2017-05-17 Thread Mark Cussons via Talk 
HI Doug,
I listened to the podcast from VO about the migration.  And since I
purchased my SMA for my home version directly from gwmicro, even though I
live in South Africa, surely they can help me migrate directly?  I completed
this form Aaron sent out.
Any advise?
Regards 
Mark  


Mark Cussons 
email:  lo...@mweb.co.za 
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+lomo1=mweb.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk
Sent: 15 May 2017 06:50 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Mark,

Window-Eyes will continue to run as normal so the everlock version won't
have an issue.  However, I suspect after the first of the year you will not
be able to return a license or authorize a new machine.  If this becomes a
problem, just let me know.  As for getting JAWS, just go to:

http://www.freedomscientific.com/Downloads/JAWS

Download the version you want and activate it with your new license code.

Regards,
Doug

-Original Message-
From: Mark Cussons [mailto:lo...@mweb.co.za]
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:33 PM
To: Doug Geoffray <dgeoff...@vfogroup.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

HI Doug,
How will this affect those of us with everlock versions of window eyes? So
how do you download jaws? Just download it and put in the new authorisation
code?
Regards
Mark  


Mark Cussons
email:  lo...@mweb.co.za
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+lomo1=mweb.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk
Sent: 15 May 2017 04:50 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Don,

It is mainly a licensing difference.  The home version cannot be used in a
work environment.  Functionality wise, they are identical.  The cost of SMAs
and upgrades does cost more for the Pro version.

Doug

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Don H via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:38 AM
To: Aaron Smith via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Aaron,
Glad to see you are still around.  What is the difference between JAWS Pro
and Home versions?

On 5/15/2017 9:14 AM, Aaron Smith via Talk wrote:
> Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes
family. We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the
United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and Canada
should contact their local distributor for options. We are committed to our
customers and will honor existing product purchases and software maintenance
agreements, and we will continue to provide technical support to end users
that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support package.
> 
> All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the
software indefinitely; however, as the WindowsR operating system and/or
applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function adequately for
your needs.
> 
> We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering
JAWSR for Windows 18 as a replacement.  We are committed to providing a
smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product purchases and
software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows.
> . End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x
will be converted to JAWS 18 at no charge.
> . If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can
purchase an upgrade to JAWS 18.
> . If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can
continue to use it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free
version, if you are interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our sales
team at 800-444-4443.
> . Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA
program for end users that migrate to JAWS.
> Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting
http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate.
> 
> To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete a 
> simple
web form that will go directly to our sales team, who will then contact you
with an authorization code for JAWS 18, or request additional information if
necessary.
> 
> Requests for upgrades must be submitted at
http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrateform or by phone at 800-444-4443
by July 31, 2017.
> 
> Note, the free Window-Eyes Offer for Users of Microsoft Office version 
> is
not part of the conversion program.
> 
> If you have any questions please call us at 800-444-4443 or email us 
> at
mailto:ord...@vfogroup.com.
> 
> 
> Aaron Smith
> VFOT | Enterprise Compliance
> 11800 31st Court North, St. Petersburg, FL 33716 T 727-803-8000 x 6208 
> F 727-803-8001 ajsm...@vfogroup.com www.vfogroup.com
> 
> The information contained in this communication is confidential,

Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

2017-05-17 Thread Dave via Talk 
I am always taken a back by those who sincerely believe they have the
right to demand help from others who have the skills or the knowledge.

I see nothing wrong with asking someone for help, but to expect it, or
demand it, just comes off as the ugly Entitled Attitudes we are seeing
far too much of in the last few years
-- 

Most people who have skills, are willing to share them if asked politely,
but when they are demanded, and there is very little Thanks after the
help has been given, it produces a Smell that is very unappealing.  

I am not sure what to call this growing trend of entitlement, but it
sure stincks!  

Grumpy Dave



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Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

2017-05-17 Thread Nick Sarames via Talk 
We have more access to assistance than we've ever had before.  The 
internet is filled with information.  If youo search on Google and 
Youtube, you'll find more than you could ever imagine.

On 5/17/2017 1:39 AM, richard kurlander via Talk wrote:
> if you a computer engineer you know a lot more than I do and people like 
> you should help other blind people by giving them hands on training if 
> you do tech support.At 04:01 PM 5/16/2017, you wrote:
>> Simplicity is in the eye of the beholder. We all need different 
>> things.  I am a computer engineer, so I need access to some of the 
>> more advanced aspects of the screen reader to use my various software 
>> development tools.  Screen readers are there to help all of us.  And 
>> that means having lots of features that some of us will use and that 
>> others will not. Best, Juan Hernandez juanhernande...@gmail.com 
>> 619-750-9431 (M) |  858-777-3311 (F) My WebSite | Twitter | 
>> FaceBook | LinkedIn -Original Message- From: Talk 
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+juanhernandez98=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
>> On Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 
>> 16, 2017 9:01 AM To: Russ Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes 
>> Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes 
>> to JAWS Migration I don't like that either if this what does happen. I 
>> use outlook 2013 at work part of office 365 and at home I still use 
>> Eudora 7.1.9 for my client e-mail and I have also outlook set up as I 
>> have also office 365 at home. Don't you feel that screne readers 
>> should be made as simple as possible? -Original Message- From: 
>> Talk 
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 11:40 AM 
>> To: Steve Nutt <st...@comproom.co.uk>; 'Dennis Long' 
>> <dennisl1...@gmail.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
>> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS 
>> Migration I just wished all of the graphics were labeled in the 
>> windows live mail app. When I arrow up and down in the windows live 
>> maill app in jaws, it wonâ?Tt say things like, replied, forwarded, 
>> read etc.  It does in window eyes. -Original Message- From: 
>> Steve Nutt via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 1:21 AM To: 'Dennis 
>> Long' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS 
>> Migration Hi, It really depends on what you want to do.  NVDA is 
>> vastly better on the web than JAWS and I believe always will be.  But 
>> not configurable enough. All the best Steve -Original Message- 
>> From: Talk 
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk Sent: 15 May 2017 17:45 To: 'Darrell 
>> Bowles' <dgbow...@msn.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
>> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Cc: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
>> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS 
>> Migration Got news for one or two user won't make a difference.  You 
>> get what you pay for or don't pay for.  NVDA is nowhere as good as 
>> Jaws! -Original Message- From: Talk 
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:38 PM 
>> To: aist...@ameritech.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: 
>> Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration If you really want to send a message to 
>> VFO, either use narrator, Supernova, or donate to NVDA! -Original 
>> Message- From: Talk 
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Adaptive Information Systems Inc. via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 
>> 2017 12:35 PM To: 'Doug Geoffray' <dgeoff...@vfogroup.com>; 
>> 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: 
>> RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Hi Doug, Is there any chance another 
>> company could buy window-eyes and keep it developing in to the great 
>> screen reader it is now? What a crying shame we blind screen reader 
>> folks only have one choice here in the U.S. for screen readers!! So I 
>> am again looking at Dolphin screen reader, since I use to have it back 
>> with version 3.5 and also learning better how to use NVDA, though NVDA 
>> has a good way to go to equal Window-eyes! Regards, Roger Behm 
>> Adaptive Information Systems Inc. We Make Technology Accessible to the 
>> vision Impaired and Reading Disabled Roger A. Behm, President 1611 
>> Clover Lane J

RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

2017-05-16 Thread richard kurlander via Talk 
if you a computer engineer you know a lot more 
than I do and people like you should help other 
blind people by giving them hands on training if 
you do tech support.At 04:01 PM 5/16/2017, you wrote:
Simplicity is in the eye of the beholder. We all 
need different things.  I am a computer 
engineer, so I need access to some of the more 
advanced aspects of the screen reader to use my 
various software development tools.  Screen 
readers are there to help all of us.  And that 
means having lots of features that some of us 
will use and that others will not. Best, Juan 
Hernandez juanhernande...@gmail.com 619-750-9431 
(M) |  858-777-3311 (F) My WebSite | 
Twitter | FaceBook | LinkedIn -Original 
Message- From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+juanhernandez98=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk 
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:01 AM To: Russ 
Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes 
Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> 
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration I 
don't like that either if this what does happen. 
I use outlook 2013 at work part of office 365 
and at home I still use Eudora 7.1.9 for my 
client e-mail and I have also outlook set up as 
I have also office 365 at home. Don't you feel 
that screne readers should be made as simple as 
possible? -Original Message- From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk Sent: Tuesday, 
May 16, 2017 11:40 AM To: Steve Nutt 
<st...@comproom.co.uk>; 'Dennis Long' 
<dennisl1...@gmail.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion 
List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: Re: 
Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration I just wished all 
of the graphics were labeled in the windows live 
mail app. When I arrow up and down in the 
windows live maill app in jaws, it won’t say 
things like, replied, forwarded, read etc.  It 
does in window eyes. -Original Message- 
From: Steve Nutt via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 
2017 1:21 AM To: 'Dennis Long' ; 'Window-Eyes 
Discussion List' Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to 
JAWS Migration Hi, It really depends on what you 
want to do.  NVDA is vastly better on the web 
than JAWS and I believe always will be.  But not 
configurable enough. All the best Steve 
-Original Message- From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk Sent: 15 May 
2017 17:45 To: 'Darrell Bowles' 
<dgbow...@msn.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion 
List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Cc: 
'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: RE: 
Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Got news for one 
or two user won't make a difference.  You get 
what you pay for or don't pay for.  NVDA is 
nowhere as good as Jaws! -Original 
Message- From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk Sent: 
Monday, May 15, 2017 12:38 PM To: 
aist...@ameritech.net; Window-Eyes Discussion 
List Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration 
If you really want to send a message to VFO, 
either use narrator, Supernova, or donate to 
NVDA! -Original Message- From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Adaptive Information Systems Inc. 
via Talk Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:35 PM To: 
'Doug Geoffray' <dgeoff...@vfogroup.com>; 
'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: RE: 
Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration Hi Doug, Is there 
any chance another company could buy window-eyes 
and keep it developing in to the great screen 
reader it is now? What a crying shame we blind 
screen reader folks only have one choice here in 
the U.S. for screen readers!! So I am again 
looking at Dolphin screen reader, since I use to 
have it back with version 3.5 and also learning 
better how to use NVDA, though NVDA has a good 
way to go to equal Window-eyes! Regards, Roger 
Behm Adaptive Information Systems Inc. We Make 
Technology Accessible to the vision Impaired and 
Reading Disabled Roger A. Behm, President 1611 
Clover Lane Janesville WI 53545-1388 Fax: 
608-758-7898 Voice: 608-758-0933 Email: 
aist...@ameritech.net Web Page: 
www.adaptiveinformation.org -Original 
Message- From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+aistech=ameritech@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk Sent: 
Monday, May 15, 2017 9:48 AM To: Window-Eyes 
Discussion List Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS 
Migration Window-Eyes will continue to run as it 
always has.  Even if you migrate you can 
continue to have Window-Eyes installed and 
switch back and forth as you need to.  The only 
thing with Window-Eyes is it will no longer be 
upgraded. So 9.5.4 is the last version. Regards, 
Doug -Original Message- From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Loy v

RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

2017-05-16 Thread Butch Bussen via Talk 
I'd be interested in this history.  Do you have a link?  Got my first 
Apple 2 e in 1983 from computer aids, ran screen-talk and then 
vocal-eyes and then window-eyes.  I think I've been doing this stufs 
much to long.  Now I begin learning n v d a.

73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Tue, 16 May 2017, Sky 
Mundell via Talk wrote:



Oh btw guys,  Dave Williams, an AT specialist and trainer using NVDA and now
NVDA certified, used Window-Eyes and he put together a history of
Window-Eyes from GWMicro from 1.0 to the present. I think you'll find it
fascinating. I have it on my computer.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of CJ  MAY via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:18 AM
To: 'Russ Kiehne'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

I presume that it is because Window-eyes was purchased with the intention of
eliminating a competitor so they are unlikely to release a source code for
others to develop Window-eyes.

I'm really sorry and a bit fed-up too that Window-eyes is to be discontinued
but can see it is a business decision - no different than other take-overs.



Alison



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RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

2017-05-16 Thread Andre via Talk 
Hi Sky,

WWhere do you get Dave's historical account from?


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+stepserve=comcast@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 11:20 AM
To: 'CJ  MAY'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Oh btw guys,  Dave Williams, an AT specialist and trainer using NVDA and now
NVDA certified, used Window-Eyes and he put together a history of
Window-Eyes from GWMicro from 1.0 to the present. I think you'll find it
fascinating. I have it on my computer.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of CJ  MAY via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:18 AM
To: 'Russ Kiehne'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

I presume that it is because Window-eyes was purchased with the intention of
eliminating a competitor so they are unlikely to release a source code for
others to develop Window-eyes.

I'm really sorry and a bit fed-up too that Window-eyes is to be discontinued
but can see it is a business decision - no different than other take-overs.

 

Alison

 

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RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

2017-05-16 Thread Juan Hernandez via Talk 
Simplicity is in the eye of the beholder.

We all need different things.  I am a computer engineer, so I need access to 
some of the more advanced aspects of the screen reader to use my various 
software development tools.  Screen readers are there to help all of us.  And 
that means having lots of features that some of us will use and that others 
will not.

Best,
 

Juan Hernandez
juanhernande...@gmail.com
619-750-9431 (M) |  858-777-3311 (F)
My WebSite | Twitter | FaceBook | LinkedIn

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+juanhernandez98=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:01 AM
To: Russ Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

I don't like that either if this what does happen. I use outlook 2013 at work 
part of office 365 and at home I still use Eudora 7.1.9 for my client e-mail 
and I have also outlook set up as I have also office 365 at home. Don't you 
feel that screne readers should be made as simple as possible?

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 11:40 AM
To: Steve Nutt <st...@comproom.co.uk>; 'Dennis Long' <dennisl1...@gmail.com>; 
'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

I just wished all of the graphics were labeled in the windows live mail app. 
When I arrow up and down in the windows live maill app in jaws, it won’t say 
things like, replied, forwarded, read etc.  It does in window eyes.

-Original Message-
From: Steve Nutt via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 1:21 AM
To: 'Dennis Long' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Hi,

It really depends on what you want to do.  NVDA is vastly better on the web 
than JAWS and I believe always will be.  But not configurable enough.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: 15 May 2017 17:45
To: 'Darrell Bowles' <dgbow...@msn.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Got news for one or two user won't make a difference.  You get what you pay for 
or don't pay for.  NVDA is nowhere as good as Jaws!

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:38 PM
To: aist...@ameritech.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

If you really want to send a message to VFO, either use narrator, Supernova, or 
donate to NVDA!

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Adaptive Information Systems Inc. via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:35 PM
To: 'Doug Geoffray' <dgeoff...@vfogroup.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Hi Doug,

Is there any chance another company could buy window-eyes and keep it 
developing in to the great screen reader it is now?

What a crying shame we blind screen reader folks only have one choice here in 
the U.S. for screen readers!!

So I am again looking at Dolphin screen reader, since I use to have it back 
with version 3.5 and also learning better how to use NVDA, though NVDA has a 
good way to go to equal Window-eyes!

Regards,
Roger Behm




Adaptive Information Systems Inc.
We Make Technology Accessible to the vision Impaired and Reading Disabled

Roger A. Behm, President
1611 Clover Lane
Janesville WI 53545-1388
Fax: 608-758-7898
Voice: 608-758-0933
Email: aist...@ameritech.net
Web Page: www.adaptiveinformation.org

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+aistech=ameritech@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:48 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Window-Eyes will continue to run as it always has.  Even if you migrate you can 
continue to have Window-Eyes installed and switch back and forth as you need 
to.  The only thing with Window-Eyes is it will no longer be upgraded.
So 9.5.4 is the last version.

Regards,
Doug

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of 
Loy via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:28 AM
To: Aaron Smith <ajsm...@vfogroup.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Need clarity on one thing. As an current paid us

Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

2017-05-16 Thread brice Mijares via Talk 

Here here!

On 5/16/2017 9:47 AM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:

Quit complaining and give Jaws a try or don't.  If you don't like how a screen 
reader is made write one yourself.  I think you will quickly see the challenges 
the devs have.  How about a little thanks to
Doug and the rest of the Staff and to VFO for giving us this offer that they 
didn't have to do!!!

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:01 PM
To: Russ Kiehne; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

I don't like that either if this what does happen. I use outlook 2013 at work 
part of office 365 and at home I still use Eudora 7.1.9 for my client e-mail 
and I have also outlook set up as I have also office 365 at home. Don't you 
feel that screne readers should be made as simple as possible?

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 11:40 AM
To: Steve Nutt <st...@comproom.co.uk>; 'Dennis Long' <dennisl1...@gmail.com>; 
'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

I just wished all of the graphics were labeled in the windows live mail app.
When I arrow up and down in the windows live maill app in jaws, it won’t say 
things like, replied, forwarded, read etc.  It does in window eyes.

-Original Message-
From: Steve Nutt via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 1:21 AM
To: 'Dennis Long' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Hi,

It really depends on what you want to do.  NVDA is vastly better on the web 
than JAWS and I believe always will be.  But not configurable enough.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: 15 May 2017 17:45
To: 'Darrell Bowles' <dgbow...@msn.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Got news for one or two user won't make a difference.  You get what you pay for 
or don't pay for.  NVDA is nowhere as good as Jaws!

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:38 PM
To: aist...@ameritech.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

If you really want to send a message to VFO, either use narrator, Supernova, or 
donate to NVDA!

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Adaptive Information Systems Inc. via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:35 PM
To: 'Doug Geoffray' <dgeoff...@vfogroup.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Hi Doug,

Is there any chance another company could buy window-eyes and keep it 
developing in to the great screen reader it is now?

What a crying shame we blind screen reader folks only have one choice here in 
the U.S. for screen readers!!

So I am again looking at Dolphin screen reader, since I use to have it back 
with version 3.5 and also learning better how to use NVDA, though NVDA has a 
good way to go to equal Window-eyes!

Regards,
Roger Behm




Adaptive Information Systems Inc.
We Make Technology Accessible to the vision Impaired and Reading Disabled

Roger A. Behm, President
1611 Clover Lane
Janesville WI 53545-1388
Fax: 608-758-7898
Voice: 608-758-0933
Email: aist...@ameritech.net
Web Page: www.adaptiveinformation.org

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+aistech=ameritech@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:48 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Window-Eyes will continue to run as it always has.  Even if you migrate you can 
continue to have Window-Eyes installed and switch back and forth as you need 
to.  The only thing with Window-Eyes is it will no longer be upgraded.
So 9.5.4 is the last version.

Regards,
Doug

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of 
Loy via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:28 AM
To: Aaron Smith <ajsm...@vfogroup.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Need clarity on one thing. As an current paid user of WE, if we convert to 
JAWS, does that mean we no longer can use WE?
- Original Message -
From: "Aaron Smith via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
To: <talk@lists.wi

RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

2017-05-16 Thread Dennis Long via Talk 
Quit complaining and give Jaws a try or don't.  If you don't like how a screen 
reader is made write one yourself.  I think you will quickly see the challenges 
the devs have.  How about a little thanks to 
Doug and the rest of the Staff and to VFO for giving us this offer that they 
didn't have to do!!!

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:01 PM
To: Russ Kiehne; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

I don't like that either if this what does happen. I use outlook 2013 at work 
part of office 365 and at home I still use Eudora 7.1.9 for my client e-mail 
and I have also outlook set up as I have also office 365 at home. Don't you 
feel that screne readers should be made as simple as possible?

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 11:40 AM
To: Steve Nutt <st...@comproom.co.uk>; 'Dennis Long' <dennisl1...@gmail.com>; 
'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

I just wished all of the graphics were labeled in the windows live mail app. 
When I arrow up and down in the windows live maill app in jaws, it won’t say 
things like, replied, forwarded, read etc.  It does in window eyes.

-Original Message-
From: Steve Nutt via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 1:21 AM
To: 'Dennis Long' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Hi,

It really depends on what you want to do.  NVDA is vastly better on the web 
than JAWS and I believe always will be.  But not configurable enough.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: 15 May 2017 17:45
To: 'Darrell Bowles' <dgbow...@msn.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Got news for one or two user won't make a difference.  You get what you pay for 
or don't pay for.  NVDA is nowhere as good as Jaws!

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:38 PM
To: aist...@ameritech.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

If you really want to send a message to VFO, either use narrator, Supernova, or 
donate to NVDA!

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Adaptive Information Systems Inc. via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:35 PM
To: 'Doug Geoffray' <dgeoff...@vfogroup.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Hi Doug,

Is there any chance another company could buy window-eyes and keep it 
developing in to the great screen reader it is now?

What a crying shame we blind screen reader folks only have one choice here in 
the U.S. for screen readers!!

So I am again looking at Dolphin screen reader, since I use to have it back 
with version 3.5 and also learning better how to use NVDA, though NVDA has a 
good way to go to equal Window-eyes!

Regards,
Roger Behm




Adaptive Information Systems Inc.
We Make Technology Accessible to the vision Impaired and Reading Disabled

Roger A. Behm, President
1611 Clover Lane
Janesville WI 53545-1388
Fax: 608-758-7898
Voice: 608-758-0933
Email: aist...@ameritech.net
Web Page: www.adaptiveinformation.org

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+aistech=ameritech@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:48 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Window-Eyes will continue to run as it always has.  Even if you migrate you can 
continue to have Window-Eyes installed and switch back and forth as you need 
to.  The only thing with Window-Eyes is it will no longer be upgraded.
So 9.5.4 is the last version.

Regards,
Doug

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of 
Loy via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:28 AM
To: Aaron Smith <ajsm...@vfogroup.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Need clarity on one thing. As an current paid user of WE, if we convert to 
JAWS, does that mean we no longer can use WE?
- Original Message -
From: "Aaron Smith via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
To: <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:14 AM
Subject: W

RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

2017-05-16 Thread Sky Mundell via Talk 
Oh btw guys,  Dave Williams, an AT specialist and trainer using NVDA and now
NVDA certified, used Window-Eyes and he put together a history of
Window-Eyes from GWMicro from 1.0 to the present. I think you'll find it
fascinating. I have it on my computer.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of CJ  MAY via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:18 AM
To: 'Russ Kiehne'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

I presume that it is because Window-eyes was purchased with the intention of
eliminating a competitor so they are unlikely to release a source code for
others to develop Window-eyes.

I'm really sorry and a bit fed-up too that Window-eyes is to be discontinued
but can see it is a business decision - no different than other take-overs.

 

Alison

 

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RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

2017-05-16 Thread CJ MAY via Talk 
I presume that it is because Window-eyes was purchased with the intention of
eliminating a competitor so they are unlikely to release a source code for
others to develop Window-eyes.

I'm really sorry and a bit fed-up too that Window-eyes is to be discontinued
but can see it is a business decision - no different than other take-overs.

 

Alison

 

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RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

2017-05-16 Thread Kurlander Richard (750000) via Talk 
I don't like that either if this what does happen. I use outlook 2013 at work 
part of office 365 and at home I still use Eudora 7.1.9 for my client e-mail 
and I have also outlook set up as I have also office 365 at home. Don't you 
feel that screne readers should be made as simple as possible?

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 11:40 AM
To: Steve Nutt <st...@comproom.co.uk>; 'Dennis Long' <dennisl1...@gmail.com>; 
'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

I just wished all of the graphics were labeled in the windows live mail app. 
When I arrow up and down in the windows live maill app in jaws, it won’t say 
things like, replied, forwarded, read etc.  It does in window eyes.

-Original Message- 
From: Steve Nutt via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 1:21 AM
To: 'Dennis Long' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Hi,

It really depends on what you want to do.  NVDA is vastly better on the web
than JAWS and I believe always will be.  But not configurable enough.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: 15 May 2017 17:45
To: 'Darrell Bowles' <dgbow...@msn.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Got news for one or two user won't make a difference.  You get what you pay
for or don't pay for.  NVDA is nowhere as good as Jaws!

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:38 PM
To: aist...@ameritech.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

If you really want to send a message to VFO, either use narrator, Supernova,
or donate to NVDA!

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Adaptive Information Systems Inc. via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:35 PM
To: 'Doug Geoffray' <dgeoff...@vfogroup.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Hi Doug,

Is there any chance another company could buy window-eyes and keep it
developing in to the great screen reader it is now?

What a crying shame we blind screen reader folks only have one choice here
in the U.S. for screen readers!!

So I am again looking at Dolphin screen reader, since I use to have it back
with version 3.5 and also learning better how to use NVDA, though NVDA has a
good way to go to equal Window-eyes!

Regards,
Roger Behm




Adaptive Information Systems Inc.
We Make Technology Accessible to the vision Impaired and Reading Disabled

Roger A. Behm, President
1611 Clover Lane
Janesville WI 53545-1388
Fax: 608-758-7898
Voice: 608-758-0933
Email: aist...@ameritech.net
Web Page: www.adaptiveinformation.org

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+aistech=ameritech@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:48 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Window-Eyes will continue to run as it always has.  Even if you migrate you
can continue to have Window-Eyes installed and switch back and forth as you
need to.  The only thing with Window-Eyes is it will no longer be upgraded.
So 9.5.4 is the last version.

Regards,
Doug

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Loy via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:28 AM
To: Aaron Smith <ajsm...@vfogroup.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Need clarity on one thing. As an current paid user of WE, if we convert to
JAWS, does that mean we no longer can use WE?
- Original Message -
From: "Aaron Smith via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
To: <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:14 AM
Subject: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration


Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes family.
We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the United
States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and Canada should
contact their local distributor for options. We are committed to our
customers and will honor existing product purchases and software maintenance
agreements, and we will continue to provide technical support to end users
that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support package.

All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the
soft

Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

2017-05-16 Thread Russ Kiehne via Talk 
I just wished all of the graphics were labeled in the windows live mail app. 
When I arrow up and down in the windows live maill app in jaws, it won’t say 
things like, replied, forwarded, read etc.  It does in window eyes.


-Original Message- 
From: Steve Nutt via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 1:21 AM
To: 'Dennis Long' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Hi,

It really depends on what you want to do.  NVDA is vastly better on the web
than JAWS and I believe always will be.  But not configurable enough.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: 15 May 2017 17:45
To: 'Darrell Bowles' <dgbow...@msn.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Got news for one or two user won't make a difference.  You get what you pay
for or don't pay for.  NVDA is nowhere as good as Jaws!

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:38 PM
To: aist...@ameritech.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

If you really want to send a message to VFO, either use narrator, Supernova,
or donate to NVDA!

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Adaptive Information Systems Inc. via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:35 PM
To: 'Doug Geoffray' <dgeoff...@vfogroup.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Hi Doug,

Is there any chance another company could buy window-eyes and keep it
developing in to the great screen reader it is now?

What a crying shame we blind screen reader folks only have one choice here
in the U.S. for screen readers!!

So I am again looking at Dolphin screen reader, since I use to have it back
with version 3.5 and also learning better how to use NVDA, though NVDA has a
good way to go to equal Window-eyes!

Regards,
Roger Behm




Adaptive Information Systems Inc.
We Make Technology Accessible to the vision Impaired and Reading Disabled

Roger A. Behm, President
1611 Clover Lane
Janesville WI 53545-1388
Fax: 608-758-7898
Voice: 608-758-0933
Email: aist...@ameritech.net
Web Page: www.adaptiveinformation.org

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+aistech=ameritech@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:48 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Window-Eyes will continue to run as it always has.  Even if you migrate you
can continue to have Window-Eyes installed and switch back and forth as you
need to.  The only thing with Window-Eyes is it will no longer be upgraded.
So 9.5.4 is the last version.

Regards,
Doug

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Loy via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:28 AM
To: Aaron Smith <ajsm...@vfogroup.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Need clarity on one thing. As an current paid user of WE, if we convert to
JAWS, does that mean we no longer can use WE?
- Original Message -
From: "Aaron Smith via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
To: <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:14 AM
Subject: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration


Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes family.
We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the United
States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and Canada should
contact their local distributor for options. We are committed to our
customers and will honor existing product purchases and software maintenance
agreements, and we will continue to provide technical support to end users
that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support package.

All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the
software indefinitely; however, as the Windows(r) operating system and/or
applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function adequately for
your needs.

We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering
JAWS(r) for Windows 18 as a replacement. We are committed to providing a
smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product purchases and
software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows.
End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x will be
converted to JAWS 18 at no charge.
If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can purchase an
upgrade to JAWS 18.
If you are using the free version of Window-Eye

Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

2017-05-16 Thread Bryan Peterson via Talk 

Because that would keep a competitor around.



Focus your powers and prepare for buttle.
-Original Message- 
From: Russ Kiehne via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 7:16 AM
To: Doug Geoffray ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Let me ask this, why doesn't the vfo group release the source code and let
someone else continue development of window eyes?

-Original Message- 
From: Doug Geoffray via Talk

Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 7:48 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Window-Eyes will continue to run as it always has.  Even if you migrate you
can continue to have Window-Eyes installed and switch back and forth as you
need to.  The only thing with Window-Eyes is it will no longer be upgraded.
So 9.5.4 is the last version.

Regards,
Doug

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Loy via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:28 AM
To: Aaron Smith <ajsm...@vfogroup.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Need clarity on one thing. As an current paid user of WE, if we convert to
JAWS, does that mean we no longer can use WE?
- Original Message -
From: "Aaron Smith via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
To: <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:14 AM
Subject: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration


Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes family.
We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the United
States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and Canada should
contact their local distributor for options. We are committed to our
customers and will honor existing product purchases and software maintenance
agreements, and we will continue to provide technical support to end users
that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support package.

All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the
software indefinitely; however, as the Windows(r) operating system and/or
applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function adequately for
your needs.

We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering
JAWS(r) for Windows 18 as a replacement. We are committed to providing a
smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product purchases and
software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows.
. End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x will be
converted to JAWS 18 at no charge.
. If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can purchase an
upgrade to JAWS 18.
. If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can continue to use
it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free version, if you are
interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our sales team at
800-444-4443.
. Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA program for end
users that migrate to JAWS.
Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting
http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate.

To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete a simple
web form that will go directly to our sales team, who will then contact you
with an authorization code for JAWS 18, or request additional information if
necessary.

Requests for upgrades must be submitted at
http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrateform or by phone at 800-444-4443
by July 31, 2017.

Note, the free Window-Eyes Offer for Users of Microsoft Office version is
not part of the conversion program.

If you have any questions please call us at 800-444-4443 or email us at
mailto:ord...@vfogroup.com.


Aaron Smith
VFOT | Enterprise Compliance
11800 31st Court North, St. Petersburg, FL 33716
T 727-803-8000 x 6208 F 727-803-8001
ajsm...@vfogroup.com
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Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

2017-05-16 Thread Russ Kiehne via Talk 
Window eyes should have no problems  running on windows 7.  It's just future 
updates coming to windows 10


-Original Message- 
From: Chris Skarstad via Talk

Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:11 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

It is my understanding that we can continue to use
Window-eyes indefinitely, however, at some point it will probably stop
working effectively due to Windows updates and such.  But if you just
flat refuse to use JAWS in any shape or form you'll still be able to use
Window-eyes.  It just won't be updated anymore.

Also we've got both free and low-cost options like NVDA and System
Access, and  I've seen a few mentions of Supernova.  I have no
experience with that particular thing so other folks will have to talk
about that.





On 5/15/2017 10:28 AM, Loy via Talk wrote:
Need clarity on one thing. As an current paid user of WE, if we convert to 
JAWS, does that mean we no longer can use WE?
- Original Message - From: "Aaron Smith via Talk" 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>

To: <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:14 AM
Subject: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration


Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes 
family. We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the 
United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and Canada 
should contact their local distributor for options. We are committed to 
our customers and will honor existing product purchases and software 
maintenance agreements, and we will continue to provide technical support 
to end users that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support package.


All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the 
software indefinitely; however, as the Windows® operating system and/or 
applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function adequately for 
your needs.


We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering 
JAWS® for Windows 18 as a replacement. We are committed to providing a 
smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product purchases 
and software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows.
. End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x will be 
converted to JAWS 18 at no charge.
. If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can purchase an 
upgrade to JAWS 18.
. If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can continue to use 
it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free version, if you are 
interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our sales team at 
800-444-4443.
. Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA program for 
end users that migrate to JAWS.
Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting 
http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate.


To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete a simple 
web form that will go directly to our sales team, who will then contact 
you with an authorization code for JAWS 18, or request additional 
information if necessary.


Requests for upgrades must be submitted at 
http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrateform or by phone at 800-444-4443 
by July 31, 2017.


Note, the free Window-Eyes Offer for Users of Microsoft Office version is 
not part of the conversion program.


If you have any questions please call us at 800-444-4443 or email us at 
mailto:ord...@vfogroup.com.



Aaron Smith
VFOT | Enterprise Compliance
11800 31st Court North, St. Petersburg, FL 33716
T 727-803-8000 x 6208 F 727-803-8001
ajsm...@vfogroup.com
www.vfogroup.com

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Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

2017-05-16 Thread Russ Kiehne via Talk 
Let me ask this, why doesn't the vfo group release the source code and let 
someone else continue development of window eyes?


-Original Message- 
From: Doug Geoffray via Talk

Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 7:48 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Window-Eyes will continue to run as it always has.  Even if you migrate you 
can continue to have Window-Eyes installed and switch back and forth as you 
need to.  The only thing with Window-Eyes is it will no longer be upgraded. 
So 9.5.4 is the last version.


Regards,
Doug

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Loy via Talk

Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:28 AM
To: Aaron Smith <ajsm...@vfogroup.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>

Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Need clarity on one thing. As an current paid user of WE, if we convert to 
JAWS, does that mean we no longer can use WE?

- Original Message -
From: "Aaron Smith via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
To: <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:14 AM
Subject: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration


Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes family.
We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the United 
States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and Canada should 
contact their local distributor for options. We are committed to our 
customers and will honor existing product purchases and software maintenance 
agreements, and we will continue to provide technical support to end users 
that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support package.


All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the 
software indefinitely; however, as the Windows(r) operating system and/or 
applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function adequately for 
your needs.


We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering 
JAWS(r) for Windows 18 as a replacement. We are committed to providing a 
smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product purchases and 
software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows.
. End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x will be 
converted to JAWS 18 at no charge.
. If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can purchase an 
upgrade to JAWS 18.
. If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can continue to use 
it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free version, if you are 
interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our sales team at 
800-444-4443.
. Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA program for end 
users that migrate to JAWS.
Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting 
http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate.


To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete a simple 
web form that will go directly to our sales team, who will then contact you 
with an authorization code for JAWS 18, or request additional information if 
necessary.


Requests for upgrades must be submitted at 
http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrateform or by phone at 800-444-4443 
by July 31, 2017.


Note, the free Window-Eyes Offer for Users of Microsoft Office version is 
not part of the conversion program.


If you have any questions please call us at 800-444-4443 or email us at 
mailto:ord...@vfogroup.com.



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Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

2017-05-16 Thread Russ Kiehne via Talk 
Why doesn't the vfo group give up the source code and let someone else 
continue development of window eyes?


-Original Message- 
From: Reeva Webb via Talk

Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 7:20 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List ; Aaron Smith
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

We's bright future. Told y'all fake news now?


"the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised
night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho

Reeva

On May 15, 2017 9:14 AM, "Aaron Smith via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
wrote:


Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes
family. We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the
United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and Canada
should contact their local distributor for options. We are committed to 
our

customers and will honor existing product purchases and software
maintenance agreements, and we will continue to provide technical support
to end users that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support package.

All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the
software indefinitely; however, as the Windows® operating system and/or
applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function adequately for
your needs.

We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering
JAWS® for Windows 18 as a replacement.  We are committed to providing a
smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product purchases 
and

software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows.
. End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x
will be converted to JAWS 18 at no charge.
. If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can
purchase an upgrade to JAWS 18.
. If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can
continue to use it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free
version, if you are interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our 
sales

team at 800-444-4443.
. Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA
program for end users that migrate to JAWS.
Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting
http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate.

To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete a simple
web form that will go directly to our sales team, who will then contact 
you

with an authorization code for JAWS 18, or request additional information
if necessary.

Requests for upgrades must be submitted at http://www.gwmicro.com/window-
eyes/migrateform or by phone at 800-444-4443 by July 31, 2017.

Note, the free Window-Eyes Offer for Users of Microsoft Office version is
not part of the conversion program.

If you have any questions please call us at 800-444-4443 or email us at
mailto:ord...@vfogroup.com.


Aaron Smith
VFOT | Enterprise Compliance
11800 31st Court North, St. Petersburg, FL 33716
T 727-803-8000 x 6208 F 727-803-8001
ajsm...@vfogroup.com
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Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

2017-05-16 Thread Pamela Dominguez via Talk 
Does jaws work with dec-talk express and the Alva braille controller? 
Specifically, when using window eyes with the Alva, I found that it would 
start working, then when I would do various things like go into websites and 
different things, it would just die.  I'd look at my braille display and see 
nothing.  I'd have to restart the computer to get it working again.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Doug Geoffray via Talk

Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 4:51 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Matthew,

I wanted to formally address this question.  You can install JAWS on as many 
computers as you need.  We give you 3 keys but will reset and are very 
understanding to this sort of thing. As long as you are not reformatting 
your computers, you should not be losing keys.


As for the work question with a network, we routinely do this also for 
people that need to set up a license server with 1 or 2 keys for their use 
only.  We don't advertise this but something we make available with cost, 
upon request.


Regards,
Doug

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Matthew Chao via Talk

Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:57 AM
To: Joseph Norton via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

My question is:  On how many computers can we install JAWS?  The reason I 
ask is that I use three computers - a virtual machine on a MacBook Pro, my 
desktop, and a new laptop.  Under Window-Eyes, as long as we adhered to 
their licensing requirements, we could have as many installs as we needed. 
With the new JAWS, that may not be the case.  In that instance, I have 
issues about migrating.  Worse, still, if a computer crashes, and we've gone 
through our allotted installs, I will not pay for another brand-new copy. 
This kind of "too bad, so sad" response has the prospect of generating 
customer bad will.



Another example of the licensing issue appeared when I was working for the 
state.  I needed to have eight PC's on a network running Window-Eyes.  As 
long as I didn't run them all with WE at the same time, I only needed one 
copy.  With an install limitation via JAWS, the state would have had to pay 
out more money, a disincentive for hiring us.

Just my thoughts.--Matthew Chao




On 5/15/2017 11:47 AM, Joseph Norton via Talk wrote:
You don’t even have to uninstall Window-Eyes.  It will happily co-exist 
with Jaws.  Just decide which one you want to autostart and bring up the 
other whenever you want it.  Don’t know how long app central and the other 
Web services will be around, but, if Window-Eyes does what you want for 
the present, you will not be compelled to just stop using it.


I, myself, will try to get my funds together to upgrade, but, I do not 
feel an urgency to start using Jaws right away.



Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Loy via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:28 AM
To: Aaron Smith; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Need clarity on one thing. As an current paid user of WE, if we
convert to JAWS, does that mean we no longer can use WE?
- Original Message -
From: "Aaron Smith via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
To: <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:14 AM
Subject: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration


Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes 
family.

We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the
United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and
Canada should contact their local distributor for options. We are
committed to our customers and will honor existing product purchases
and software maintenance agreements, and we will continue to provide
technical support to end users that have purchased Window-Eyes or a 
support package.


All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the
software indefinitely; however, as the Windows® operating system
and/or applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function
adequately for your needs.

We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering
JAWS® for Windows 18 as a replacement. We are committed to providing a
smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product
purchases and software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows.
. End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x will be
converted to JAWS 18 at no charge.
. If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can purchase
an upgrade to JAWS 18.
. If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can continue to
use it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free version, if
you are interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our sales team
at 800-444-4443.
. Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA program
for end users that migrate to JAWS.
Learn more about the migratio

Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

2017-05-16 Thread michaeel's mail via Talk 
Hi Arron i am very disappointed that VFO has excluded the rest of the world 
from recieving Jaws free.
Cos I live in Australia and had to have a dealer cos GW micro would not let 
us buy from them our selfs.
I say that is not right i payed for WE and our dealer has no offers for 
Jaws.

I will not be paying over $1500 Australian for Jaws.
That is unfair for the rest of the world.
Well and good for people in the US and Canida.
Cheers Michael.

-Original Message- 
From: Aaron Smith via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:14 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes family. 
We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the United 
States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and Canada should 
contact their local distributor for options. We are committed to our 
customers and will honor existing product purchases and software maintenance 
agreements, and we will continue to provide technical support to end users 
that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support package.


All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the 
software indefinitely; however, as the Windows® operating system and/or 
applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function adequately for 
your needs.


We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering JAWS® 
for Windows 18 as a replacement.  We are committed to providing a smooth 
transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product purchases and 
software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows.
. End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x will 
be converted to JAWS 18 at no charge.
. If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can 
purchase an upgrade to JAWS 18.
. If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can continue 
to use it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free version, if you 
are interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our sales team at 
800-444-4443.
. Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA program 
for end users that migrate to JAWS.
Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting 
http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate.


To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete a simple 
web form that will go directly to our sales team, who will then contact you 
with an authorization code for JAWS 18, or request additional information if 
necessary.


Requests for upgrades must be submitted at 
http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrateform or by phone at 800-444-4443 
by July 31, 2017.


Note, the free Window-Eyes Offer for Users of Microsoft Office version is 
not part of the conversion program.


If you have any questions please call us at 800-444-4443 or email us at 
mailto:ord...@vfogroup.com.



Aaron Smith
VFOT | Enterprise Compliance
11800 31st Court North, St. Petersburg, FL 33716
T 727-803-8000 x 6208 F 727-803-8001
ajsm...@vfogroup.com
www.vfogroup.com

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RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

2017-05-16 Thread Steve Nutt via Talk 
Hi,

It really depends on what you want to do.  NVDA is vastly better on the web
than JAWS and I believe always will be.  But not configurable enough.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: 15 May 2017 17:45
To: 'Darrell Bowles' <dgbow...@msn.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Got news for one or two user won't make a difference.  You get what you pay
for or don't pay for.  NVDA is nowhere as good as Jaws!

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:38 PM
To: aist...@ameritech.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

If you really want to send a message to VFO, either use narrator, Supernova,
or donate to NVDA!

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Adaptive Information Systems Inc. via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:35 PM
To: 'Doug Geoffray' <dgeoff...@vfogroup.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Hi Doug,

Is there any chance another company could buy window-eyes and keep it
developing in to the great screen reader it is now?

What a crying shame we blind screen reader folks only have one choice here
in the U.S. for screen readers!!

So I am again looking at Dolphin screen reader, since I use to have it back
with version 3.5 and also learning better how to use NVDA, though NVDA has a
good way to go to equal Window-eyes!

Regards,
Roger Behm




Adaptive Information Systems Inc. 
We Make Technology Accessible to the vision Impaired and Reading Disabled 

Roger A. Behm, President
1611 Clover Lane
Janesville WI 53545-1388
Fax: 608-758-7898
Voice: 608-758-0933
Email: aist...@ameritech.net
Web Page: www.adaptiveinformation.org 

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+aistech=ameritech@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:48 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Window-Eyes will continue to run as it always has.  Even if you migrate you
can continue to have Window-Eyes installed and switch back and forth as you
need to.  The only thing with Window-Eyes is it will no longer be upgraded.
So 9.5.4 is the last version.

Regards,
Doug

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Loy via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:28 AM
To: Aaron Smith <ajsm...@vfogroup.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Need clarity on one thing. As an current paid user of WE, if we convert to
JAWS, does that mean we no longer can use WE?
- Original Message -
From: "Aaron Smith via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
To: <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:14 AM
Subject: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration


Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes family. 
We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the United
States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and Canada should
contact their local distributor for options. We are committed to our
customers and will honor existing product purchases and software maintenance
agreements, and we will continue to provide technical support to end users
that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support package.

All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the
software indefinitely; however, as the Windows(r) operating system and/or
applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function adequately for
your needs.

We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering
JAWS(r) for Windows 18 as a replacement. We are committed to providing a
smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product purchases and
software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows.
 End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x will be
converted to JAWS 18 at no charge.
 If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can purchase an
upgrade to JAWS 18.
 If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can continue to use
it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free version, if you are
interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our sales team at
800-444-4443.
 Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA program for end
users that migrate to JAWS.
Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting
http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate.

To make this proce

Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

2017-05-15 Thread Vaughan Dodd via Talk 

We did not.


VFO made decisions based on factors such as viabilityh, customer base, 
projected demand, relationship with Microsoft etc.




Vaughan.



On 5/16/2017 4:12 AM, CJ  MAY via Talk wrote:

I can't help but think we talked ourselves into this situation!

  


Alison

  

  

  


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Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

2017-05-15 Thread Nick Sarames via Talk 
Capitalism is actually the most liberating economic system we have.  The 
problem is in determining how much we want the state to limit it.

On 5/15/2017 11:43 PM, Dave via Talk wrote:
> Hi Rod,
> 
> I beg to differ with you-
> 
> Injustice and Capitalism run in Tandem?
> 
> I think Injustice tends to be apparent in Humans, regardless of their
> Method of earning a living, or even form of Government.
> 
> There are always those who will work extraordinarily hard to take
> advantage of those who are weaker.
> 
> I am a bit of a History Buff, and History shows that  there is injustice
> from the beginning of time.
> 
> When Capitalism is Corrupt, there is Heartless injustice.  When
> Communism is Corrupted, there is drastic injustice.  When Socialism is
> corrupted, there is great injustice.
> 
> What is the common denominator?  Humans.
> 
> 
> Grumpy Dave
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
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Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

2017-05-15 Thread Dave via Talk 
Hi Rod,

I beg to differ with you-

Injustice and Capitalism run in Tandem?

I think Injustice tends to be apparent in Humans, regardless of their
Method of earning a living, or even form of Government.  

There are always those who will work extraordinarily hard to take
advantage of those who are weaker.  

I am a bit of a History Buff, and History shows that  there is injustice
from the beginning of time.  

When Capitalism is Corrupt, there is Heartless injustice.  When
Communism is Corrupted, there is drastic injustice.  When Socialism is
corrupted, there is great injustice. 

What is the common denominator?  Humans.  


Grumpy Dave


 


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Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

2017-05-15 Thread Dave via Talk 
Hello Matthew,

JAWS can be installed on up to three systems.  As for what happens if a
system should fail, and you replace it with another system, . . . can't
answer that one.  I would think you could still install JAWS on the
newest system, although you might need to call JAWS to get help in
Authorizing the New Install.  

Grumpy Dave


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RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

2017-05-15 Thread Marcie Chaney via Talk 
I talked to customer service about something related to your question and they 
told me that zoomtext fusion 11 will be using JAWS for the screen reader 
portion of fustion and that the upgrade from zoomtext fustion 10 to 11 is quite 
costly but not as expensive as getting magic with JAWS. This is not a direct 
answer to your concern about ap central. It is what happens to WE after WE goes 
away.
Marcie Brink-Chaney CVRT

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+chaneyma=ameritech@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:35 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Reeva,

Good question.  At this point we have no plans on taking down app central but 
clearly at some point in the future will become irrelevant and go down.  I 
would hope as long as Window-Eyes can continued to be used it would be up and 
if it does need to go down we would give people ample notice.

Doug

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:17 AM
To: cov...@ccs.covici.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Question, since we is done, how much longer will app central be around for 
those using we/the we version of zt fusion?

"the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised night 
has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho

Reeva

On May 15, 2017 10:12 AM, "John Covici via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
wrote:

> I think the message said you can use WE indefinitely.
>
> On Mon, 15 May 2017 10:28:11 -0400,
> Loy via Talk wrote:
> >
> > Need clarity on one thing. As an current paid user of WE, if we 
> > convert to JAWS, does that mean we no longer can use WE?
> > - Original Message - From: "Aaron Smith via Talk"
> > <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> > To: <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> > Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:14 AM
> > Subject: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
> >
> >
> > Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes 
> > family. We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended 
> > in the United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States 
> > and Canada should contact their local distributor for options. We 
> > are committed to our customers and will honor existing product 
> > purchases and software maintenance agreements, and we will continue 
> > to provide technical support to end users that have purchased 
> > Window-Eyes or a support package.
> >
> > All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use 
> > the software indefinitely; however, as the Windows® operating system 
> > and/or applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function 
> > adequately for your needs.
> >
> > We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are 
> > offering JAWS® for Windows 18 as a replacement. We are committed to 
> > providing a smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes 
> > product purchases and software maintenance agreements (SMA), as 
> > follows.
> > . End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x will 
> > be converted to JAWS 18 at no charge.
> > . If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can 
> > purchase an upgrade to JAWS 18.
> > . If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can continue 
> > to use it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free version, 
> > if you are interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our sales 
> > team at 800-444-4443.
> > . Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA program 
> > for end users that migrate to JAWS.
> > Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting 
> > http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate.
> >
> > To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete a 
> > simple web form that will go directly to our sales team, who will 
> > then contact you with an authorization code for JAWS 18, or request 
> > additional information if necessary.
> >
> > Requests for upgrades must be submitted at 
> > http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrateform or by phone at
> > 800-444-4443 by July 31, 2017.
> >
> > Note, the free Window-Eyes Offer for Users of Microsoft Office 
> > version is not part of the conversion program.
> >
> > If you have any questions please call us at 800-444-4443 or email us 
> > at mailto:ord...@vfogroup.com.
> >
> >

Another Concern About Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

2017-05-15 Thread Marcie Chaney via Talk 
A concern that I have had since FS and GWMicro/ai squared became VFO is the 
concern that a list that is sponsored by or at least monitored by the producer 
of the screen reader used is available. This list always had people monitoring 
what was going on on the list to address problems and concerns and I always 
thought GW Micro had a better support process than FS and I used them both 
because I was a user of both products to give my clients/students alternatives 
to accessibility. So I guess it's going to be Windows narrator and NVDA to have 
an alternative to jaws. I always thought that the tutorials and other training 
from GW Micro was excellent. I'm hoping that the attitudes and expertise 
brought to VFO from ai squared/gw micro is combined to make it a better place. 
I used to be not so thrilled by SF's attitude toward resolving problems that 
customers had with JAWS.
Marcie Brink-Chaney CVRT

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+chaneyma=ameritech@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 4:51 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Matthew,

I wanted to formally address this question.  You can install JAWS on as many 
computers as you need.  We give you 3 keys but will reset and are very 
understanding to this sort of thing. As long as you are not reformatting your 
computers, you should not be losing keys.

As for the work question with a network, we routinely do this also for people 
that need to set up a license server with 1 or 2 keys for their use only.  We 
don't advertise this but something we make available with cost, upon request.

Regards,
Doug

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Matthew Chao via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:57 AM
To: Joseph Norton via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

My question is:  On how many computers can we install JAWS?  The reason I ask 
is that I use three computers - a virtual machine on a MacBook Pro, my desktop, 
and a new laptop.  Under Window-Eyes, as long as we adhered to their licensing 
requirements, we could have as many installs as we needed.  With the new JAWS, 
that may not be the case.  In that instance, I have issues about migrating.  
Worse, still, if a computer crashes, and we've gone through our allotted 
installs, I will not pay for another brand-new copy.  This kind of "too bad, so 
sad" response has the prospect of generating customer bad will.


Another example of the licensing issue appeared when I was working for the 
state.  I needed to have eight PC's on a network running Window-Eyes.  As long 
as I didn't run them all with WE at the same time, I only needed one copy.  
With an install limitation via JAWS, the state would have had to pay out more 
money, a disincentive for hiring us.  
Just my thoughts.--Matthew Chao




On 5/15/2017 11:47 AM, Joseph Norton via Talk wrote:
> You don’t even have to uninstall Window-Eyes.  It will happily co-exist with 
> Jaws.  Just decide which one you want to autostart and bring up the other 
> whenever you want it.  Don’t know how long app central and the other Web 
> services will be around, but, if Window-Eyes does what you want for the 
> present, you will not be compelled to just stop using it.
>
> I, myself, will try to get my funds together to upgrade, but, I do not feel 
> an urgency to start using Jaws right away.
>
>
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
> From: Loy via Talk
> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:28 AM
> To: Aaron Smith; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
>
> Need clarity on one thing. As an current paid user of WE, if we 
> convert to JAWS, does that mean we no longer can use WE?
> - Original Message -
> From: "Aaron Smith via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> To: <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:14 AM
> Subject: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
>
>
> Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes family.
> We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the 
> United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and 
> Canada should contact their local distributor for options. We are 
> committed to our customers and will honor existing product purchases 
> and software maintenance agreements, and we will continue to provide 
> technical support to end users that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support 
> package.
>
> All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the 
> software indefinitely; however, as the Windows® operating system 
> and/or applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function 
> adequately for you

RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

2017-05-15 Thread Rod Hutton via Talk 
Thanks, Joseph.

That is very helpful.

All the best,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Joseph Norton via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 5:04 PM
To: Tony C <tch...@mediacombb.net>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>; Doug Geoffray <dgeoff...@vfogroup.com>
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Hi:

2 things:

First, to increase rate temporarily, use control-alt-page-up.  To decrease rate 
temporarily, use control-alt-page-down.  To increase rate permanently, use 
control-windows-alt page-up.  To decrease rate permanently, use 
control-windows-alt page-down.

Second, there is a command in JAWS that you can use to search for something you 
want to do.   If you press Insert-space, then, the letter j, you can search for 
what you are trying to do.  After pressing Insert-space j, type something (like 
rate).  Press tab and you’ll be on a page that will tell you the commands that 
have to do with rate.

Hope this helps.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Tony C via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 2:48 PM
To: Doug Geoffray; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

I went and downloaded Jaws 18, I can't for the life of me remember how to 
change the speech rate, etc. also I want jaws to start at the logon screen??

-Original Message- 
From: Doug Geoffray via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:50 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Mark,

Window-Eyes will continue to run as normal so the everlock version won't 
have an issue.  However, I suspect after the first of the year you will not 
be able to return a license or authorize a new machine.  If this becomes a 
problem, just let me know.  As for getting JAWS, just go to:

http://www.freedomscientific.com/Downloads/JAWS

Download the version you want and activate it with your new license code.

Regards,
Doug

-Original Message-
From: Mark Cussons [mailto:lo...@mweb.co.za]
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:33 PM
To: Doug Geoffray <dgeoff...@vfogroup.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

HI Doug,
How will this affect those of us with everlock versions of window eyes? So 
how do you download jaws? Just download it and put in the new authorisation 
code?
Regards
Mark


Mark Cussons
email:  lo...@mweb.co.za
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+lomo1=mweb.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk
Sent: 15 May 2017 04:50 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Don,

It is mainly a licensing difference.  The home version cannot be used in a
work environment.  Functionality wise, they are identical.  The cost of SMAs
and upgrades does cost more for the Pro version.

Doug

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Don H via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:38 AM
To: Aaron Smith via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Aaron,
Glad to see you are still around.  What is the difference between JAWS Pro
and Home versions?

On 5/15/2017 9:14 AM, Aaron Smith via Talk wrote:
> Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes
family. We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the
United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and Canada
should contact their local distributor for options. We are committed to our
customers and will honor existing product purchases and software maintenance
agreements, and we will continue to provide technical support to end users
that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support package.
>
> All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the
software indefinitely; however, as the WindowsR operating system and/or
applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function adequately for
your needs.
>
> We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering
JAWSR for Windows 18 as a replacement.  We are committed to providing a
smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product purchases and
software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows.
> . End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x
will be converted to JAWS 18 at no charge.
> . If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can
purchase an upgrade to JAWS 18.
> . If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can
continue to use it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free
version, if you are interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our sales
team at 800-444-4443.
> . Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA
program for end users that migrate to JAWS.
> Learn more about th

RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

2017-05-15 Thread Rod Hutton via Talk 
Or did we simply want to be skeptical, until proven evidence, not rumour, came 
our way?

Best,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 2:54 PM
To: Reeva Webb <jadedangelpromi...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Remember that there are none so blind as those who could not or would 
not see.




On 5/16/2017 2:20 AM, Reeva Webb via Talk wrote:
> We's bright future. Told y'all fake news now?
>
>
> "the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised
> night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho
>
> Reeva
>
> On May 15, 2017 9:14 AM, "Aaron Smith via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes
>> family. We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the
>> United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and Canada
>> should contact their local distributor for options. We are committed to our
>> customers and will honor existing product purchases and software
>> maintenance agreements, and we will continue to provide technical support
>> to end users that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support package.
>>
>> All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the
>> software indefinitely; however, as the Windows® operating system and/or
>> applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function adequately for
>> your needs.
>>
>> We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering
>> JAWS® for Windows 18 as a replacement.  We are committed to providing a
>> smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product purchases and
>> software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows.
>> . End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x
>> will be converted to JAWS 18 at no charge.
>> . If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can
>> purchase an upgrade to JAWS 18.
>> . If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can
>> continue to use it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free
>> version, if you are interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our sales
>> team at 800-444-4443.
>> . Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA
>> program for end users that migrate to JAWS.
>> Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting
>> http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate.
>>
>> To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete a simple
>> web form that will go directly to our sales team, who will then contact you
>> with an authorization code for JAWS 18, or request additional information
>> if necessary.
>>
>> Requests for upgrades must be submitted at http://www.gwmicro.com/window-
>> eyes/migrateform or by phone at 800-444-4443 by July 31, 2017.
>>
>> Note, the free Window-Eyes Offer for Users of Microsoft Office version is
>> not part of the conversion program.
>>
>> If you have any questions please call us at 800-444-4443 or email us at
>> mailto:ord...@vfogroup.com.
>>
>>
>> Aaron Smith
>> VFOT | Enterprise Compliance
>> 11800 31st Court North, St. Petersburg, FL 33716
>> T 727-803-8000 x 6208 F 727-803-8001
>> ajsm...@vfogroup.com
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RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

2017-05-15 Thread Rod Hutton via Talk 
Hi Roger,

Oh, man, if only, wouldn't that be awesome?

Thinking about it sure made me feel good.

Thanks, and all the best,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Adaptive Information Systems Inc. via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:35 PM
To: 'Doug Geoffray' <dgeoff...@vfogroup.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Hi Doug,

Is there any chance another company could buy window-eyes and keep it
developing in to the great screen reader it is now?

What a crying shame we blind screen reader folks only have one choice here
in the U.S. for screen readers!!

So I am again looking at Dolphin screen reader, since I use to have it back
with version 3.5 and also learning better how to use NVDA, though NVDA has a
good way to go to equal Window-eyes!

Regards,
Roger Behm




Adaptive Information Systems Inc. 
We Make Technology Accessible to the vision Impaired and Reading Disabled 

Roger A. Behm, President 
1611 Clover Lane 
Janesville WI 53545-1388 
Fax: 608-758-7898 
Voice: 608-758-0933 
Email: aist...@ameritech.net 
Web Page: www.adaptiveinformation.org 

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+aistech=ameritech@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:48 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Window-Eyes will continue to run as it always has.  Even if you migrate you
can continue to have Window-Eyes installed and switch back and forth as you
need to.  The only thing with Window-Eyes is it will no longer be upgraded.
So 9.5.4 is the last version.

Regards,
Doug

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Loy via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:28 AM
To: Aaron Smith <ajsm...@vfogroup.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Need clarity on one thing. As an current paid user of WE, if we convert to
JAWS, does that mean we no longer can use WE?
- Original Message -
From: "Aaron Smith via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
To: <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:14 AM
Subject: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration


Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes family. 
We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the United
States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and Canada should
contact their local distributor for options. We are committed to our
customers and will honor existing product purchases and software maintenance
agreements, and we will continue to provide technical support to end users
that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support package.

All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the
software indefinitely; however, as the Windows(r) operating system and/or
applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function adequately for
your needs.

We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering
JAWS(r) for Windows 18 as a replacement. We are committed to providing a
smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product purchases and
software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows.
 End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x will be
converted to JAWS 18 at no charge.
 If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can purchase an
upgrade to JAWS 18.
 If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can continue to use
it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free version, if you are
interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our sales team at
800-444-4443.
 Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA program for end
users that migrate to JAWS.
Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting
http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate.

To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete a simple
web form that will go directly to our sales team, who will then contact you
with an authorization code for JAWS 18, or request additional information if
necessary.

Requests for upgrades must be submitted at
http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrateform or by phone at 800-444-4443
by July 31, 2017.

Note, the free Window-Eyes Offer for Users of Microsoft Office version is
not part of the conversion program.

If you have any questions please call us at 800-444-4443 or email us at
mailto:ord...@vfogroup.com.


Aaron Smith
VFOT | Enterprise Compliance
11800 31st Court North, St. Petersburg, FL 33716
T 727-803-8000 x 6208 F 727-803-8001
ajsm...@vfogroup.com
www.vfogroup.com

The information contained in this communication is confidential, may 
constitute inside information, and is intended only for the use of the 
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RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

2017-05-15 Thread Andre via Talk 
It's very very sad for me as a loyal Window-Eyes user for about 27 years (well 
as a GW Micro client for 27 years). It was such an awesome company with 
tremendous customer service. I'll miss that because they also shared their 
depth of computer knowledge on other matters even if they weren't directly 
associated with Window-Eyes but that just affected overall computer performance.


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+stepserve=comcast@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Chris T via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 6:01 PM
To: Samuel Wilkins; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

I feel the same, though I am just going to speed up my move to Mac. I 
already use VoiceOver on most of my devices other than my desktop. I will 
likely do the SMA transfer since I paid for the updates, but I don't think I 
will use Jaws very much.

Regards,

Chris T

-Original Message- 
From: Samuel Wilkins via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 3:44 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

This is indeed very sad.  I have been a loyal user of Window-Eyes for
nearly 14 years, and really enjoyed using it.  But I've decided to bow
to the inevitable and use Jaws, especially since employers are going to
be using it, and will not consider NVDA.  I don't blame the staff
remaining behind for Window-Eyes being phased out, I could tell this was
not what they wanted.  I am glad to have been a user of Window-Eyes, and
I want to thank Aaron and Doug for all they have done, and the same to
those no longer working at VFO.
On 15/05/2017 15:14, Aaron Smith via Talk wrote:
> Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes 
> family. We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the 
> United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and Canada 
> should contact their local distributor for options. We are committed to 
> our customers and will honor existing product purchases and software 
> maintenance agreements, and we will continue to provide technical support 
> to end users that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support package.
>
> All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the 
> software indefinitely; however, as the Windows® operating system and/or 
> applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function adequately for 
> your needs.
>
> We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering 
> JAWS® for Windows 18 as a replacement.  We are committed to providing a 
> smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product purchases 
> and software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows.
> . End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x 
> will be converted to JAWS 18 at no charge.
> . If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can 
> purchase an upgrade to JAWS 18.
> . If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can 
> continue to use it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free 
> version, if you are interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our 
> sales team at 800-444-4443.
> . Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA 
> program for end users that migrate to JAWS.
> Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting 
> http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate.
>
> To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete a simple 
> web form that will go directly to our sales team, who will then contact 
> you with an authorization code for JAWS 18, or request additional 
> information if necessary.
>
> Requests for upgrades must be submitted at 
> http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrateform or by phone at 800-444-4443 
> by July 31, 2017.
>
> Note, the free Window-Eyes Offer for Users of Microsoft Office version is 
> not part of the conversion program.
>
> If you have any questions please call us at 800-444-4443 or email us at 
> mailto:ord...@vfogroup.com.
>
>
> Aaron Smith
> VFOT | Enterprise Compliance
> 11800 31st Court North, St. Petersburg, FL 33716
> T 727-803-8000 x 6208 F 727-803-8001
> ajsm...@vfogroup.com
> www.vfogroup.com
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Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

2017-05-15 Thread Ian Westerland via Talk 
		Hi Samuel.  I fully endorce your comments about the Staff at 
Window-Eyes.  I bought my first Window-Eyes in 1995-96 and did so 
because of the service, support and the program itself.
It is sad to know Window-Eyes is going but even more important from my 
perspective is that the service and support that were an integral part 
of Window-Eyes is going with it.


Regards



Ian Westerland





On 5/16/2017 7:44 AM, Samuel Wilkins via Talk wrote:

This is indeed very sad.  I have been a loyal user of Window-Eyes for
nearly 14 years, and really enjoyed using it.  But I've decided to bow
to the inevitable and use Jaws, especially since employers are going to
be using it, and will not consider NVDA.  I don't blame the staff
remaining behind for Window-Eyes being phased out, I could tell this was
not what they wanted.  I am glad to have been a user of Window-Eyes, and
I want to thank Aaron and Doug for all they have done, and the same to
those no longer working at VFO.
On 15/05/2017 15:14, Aaron Smith via Talk wrote:

Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes
family. We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in
the United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and
Canada should contact their local distributor for options. We are
committed to our customers and will honor existing product purchases
and software maintenance agreements, and we will continue to provide
technical support to end users that have purchased Window-Eyes or a
support package.

All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the
software indefinitely; however, as the Windows® operating system
and/or applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function
adequately for your needs.

We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering
JAWS® for Windows 18 as a replacement.  We are committed to providing
a smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product
purchases and software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows.
. End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x
will be converted to JAWS 18 at no charge.
. If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can
purchase an upgrade to JAWS 18.
. If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can
continue to use it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free
version, if you are interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our
sales team at 800-444-4443.
. Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA
program for end users that migrate to JAWS.
Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting
http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate.

To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete a
simple web form that will go directly to our sales team, who will then
contact you with an authorization code for JAWS 18, or request
additional information if necessary.

Requests for upgrades must be submitted at
http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrateform or by phone at
800-444-4443 by July 31, 2017.

Note, the free Window-Eyes Offer for Users of Microsoft Office version
is not part of the conversion program.

If you have any questions please call us at 800-444-4443 or email us
at mailto:ord...@vfogroup.com.


Aaron Smith
VFOT | Enterprise Compliance
11800 31st Court North, St. Petersburg, FL 33716
T 727-803-8000 x 6208 F 727-803-8001
ajsm...@vfogroup.com
www.vfogroup.com

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Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

2017-05-15 Thread Chris T via Talk 
I feel the same, though I am just going to speed up my move to Mac. I 
already use VoiceOver on most of my devices other than my desktop. I will 
likely do the SMA transfer since I paid for the updates, but I don't think I 
will use Jaws very much.


Regards,

Chris T

-Original Message- 
From: Samuel Wilkins via Talk

Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 3:44 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

This is indeed very sad.  I have been a loyal user of Window-Eyes for
nearly 14 years, and really enjoyed using it.  But I've decided to bow
to the inevitable and use Jaws, especially since employers are going to
be using it, and will not consider NVDA.  I don't blame the staff
remaining behind for Window-Eyes being phased out, I could tell this was
not what they wanted.  I am glad to have been a user of Window-Eyes, and
I want to thank Aaron and Doug for all they have done, and the same to
those no longer working at VFO.
On 15/05/2017 15:14, Aaron Smith via Talk wrote:
Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes 
family. We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the 
United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and Canada 
should contact their local distributor for options. We are committed to 
our customers and will honor existing product purchases and software 
maintenance agreements, and we will continue to provide technical support 
to end users that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support package.


All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the 
software indefinitely; however, as the Windows® operating system and/or 
applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function adequately for 
your needs.


We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering 
JAWS® for Windows 18 as a replacement.  We are committed to providing a 
smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product purchases 
and software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows.
. End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x 
will be converted to JAWS 18 at no charge.
. If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can 
purchase an upgrade to JAWS 18.
. If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can 
continue to use it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free 
version, if you are interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our 
sales team at 800-444-4443.
. Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA 
program for end users that migrate to JAWS.
Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting 
http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate.


To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete a simple 
web form that will go directly to our sales team, who will then contact 
you with an authorization code for JAWS 18, or request additional 
information if necessary.


Requests for upgrades must be submitted at 
http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrateform or by phone at 800-444-4443 
by July 31, 2017.


Note, the free Window-Eyes Offer for Users of Microsoft Office version is 
not part of the conversion program.


If you have any questions please call us at 800-444-4443 or email us at 
mailto:ord...@vfogroup.com.



Aaron Smith
VFOT | Enterprise Compliance
11800 31st Court North, St. Petersburg, FL 33716
T 727-803-8000 x 6208 F 727-803-8001
ajsm...@vfogroup.com
www.vfogroup.com

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RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

2017-05-15 Thread Joseph Norton via Talk 
Hi Matthew:

It makes no difference.  The JAWS download is the same whether you get the Home 
or the Pro version.  The Pro version has no functional difference—it’s just 
that it is for use by a company.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Matthew Chao via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 4:34 PM
To: Don H via Talk
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

How do you get the Pro Edition?--Matthew Chao




On 5/15/2017 1:06 PM, Don H via Talk wrote:
> On the JAWS download link provided I don't see a home and pro version. 
> How do you get the home edition?
>
> On 5/15/2017 11:50 AM, Doug Geoffray via Talk wrote:
>> Mark,
>>
>> Window-Eyes will continue to run as normal so the everlock version 
>> won't have an issue.  However, I suspect after the first of the year 
>> you will not be able to return a license or authorize a new machine.  
>> If this becomes a problem, just let me know.  As for getting JAWS, 
>> just go to:
>>
>> http://www.freedomscientific.com/Downloads/JAWS
>>
>> Download the version you want and activate it with your new license 
>> code.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Doug
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Mark Cussons [mailto:lo...@mweb.co.za]
>> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:33 PM
>> To: Doug Geoffray <dgeoff...@vfogroup.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion 
>> List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
>> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
>>
>> HI Doug,
>> How will this affect those of us with everlock versions of window 
>> eyes? So how do you download jaws? Just download it and put in the 
>> new authorisation code?
>> Regards
>> Mark
>>
>>
>> Mark Cussons
>> email:  lo...@mweb.co.za
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk 
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+lomo1=mweb.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
>> Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk
>> Sent: 15 May 2017 04:50 PM
>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
>>
>> Don,
>>
>> It is mainly a licensing difference.  The home version cannot be used 
>> in a
>> work environment.  Functionality wise, they are identical.  The cost 
>> of SMAs
>> and upgrades does cost more for the Pro version.
>>
>> Doug
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
>> Behalf
>> Of Don H via Talk
>> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:38 AM
>> To: Aaron Smith via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
>> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
>>
>> Aaron,
>> Glad to see you are still around.  What is the difference between 
>> JAWS Pro
>> and Home versions?
>>
>> On 5/15/2017 9:14 AM, Aaron Smith via Talk wrote:
>>> Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes
>> family. We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in 
>> the
>> United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and Canada
>> should contact their local distributor for options. We are committed 
>> to our
>> customers and will honor existing product purchases and software 
>> maintenance
>> agreements, and we will continue to provide technical support to end 
>> users
>> that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support package.
>>>
>>> All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the
>> software indefinitely; however, as the WindowsR operating system and/or
>> applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function 
>> adequately for
>> your needs.
>>>
>>> We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering
>> JAWSR for Windows 18 as a replacement.  We are committed to providing a
>> smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product 
>> purchases and
>> software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows.
>>> . End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x
>> will be converted to JAWS 18 at no charge.
>>> . If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can
>> purchase an upgrade to JAWS 18.
>>> . If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can
>> continue to use it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free
>> version, if you are interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our 
>> sales
>> team at 800-444-4443.
>>> . Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA
>> program for end users that migrate to JAWS.
>>> Learn more about the migration options and pricing by vi

Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

2017-05-15 Thread Samuel Wilkins via Talk 
This is indeed very sad.  I have been a loyal user of Window-Eyes for 
nearly 14 years, and really enjoyed using it.  But I've decided to bow 
to the inevitable and use Jaws, especially since employers are going to 
be using it, and will not consider NVDA.  I don't blame the staff 
remaining behind for Window-Eyes being phased out, I could tell this was 
not what they wanted.  I am glad to have been a user of Window-Eyes, and 
I want to thank Aaron and Doug for all they have done, and the same to 
those no longer working at VFO.

On 15/05/2017 15:14, Aaron Smith via Talk wrote:

Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes family. We 
regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the United States 
and Canada. Users outside of the United States and Canada should contact their 
local distributor for options. We are committed to our customers and will honor 
existing product purchases and software maintenance agreements, and we will 
continue to provide technical support to end users that have purchased 
Window-Eyes or a support package.

All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the software 
indefinitely; however, as the Windows® operating system and/or applications 
change over time, Window-Eyes may not function adequately for your needs.

We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering JAWS® 
for Windows 18 as a replacement.  We are committed to providing a smooth 
transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product purchases and software 
maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows.
. End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x will be 
converted to JAWS 18 at no charge.
. If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can purchase 
an upgrade to JAWS 18.
. If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can continue to 
use it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free version, if you are 
interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our sales team at 800-444-4443.
. Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA program 
for end users that migrate to JAWS.
Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting 
http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate.

To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete a simple web 
form that will go directly to our sales team, who will then contact you with an 
authorization code for JAWS 18, or request additional information if necessary.

Requests for upgrades must be submitted at 
http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrateform or by phone at 800-444-4443 by 
July 31, 2017.

Note, the free Window-Eyes Offer for Users of Microsoft Office version is not 
part of the conversion program.

If you have any questions please call us at 800-444-4443 or email us at 
mailto:ord...@vfogroup.com.


Aaron Smith
VFOT | Enterprise Compliance
11800 31st Court North, St. Petersburg, FL 33716
T 727-803-8000 x 6208 F 727-803-8001
ajsm...@vfogroup.com
www.vfogroup.com

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RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

2017-05-15 Thread Joseph Norton via Talk 
Hi:

2 things:

First, to increase rate temporarily, use control-alt-page-up.  To decrease rate 
temporarily, use control-alt-page-down.  To increase rate permanently, use 
control-windows-alt page-up.  To decrease rate permanently, use 
control-windows-alt page-down.

Second, there is a command in JAWS that you can use to search for something you 
want to do.   If you press Insert-space, then, the letter j, you can search for 
what you are trying to do.  After pressing Insert-space j, type something (like 
rate).  Press tab and you’ll be on a page that will tell you the commands that 
have to do with rate.

Hope this helps.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Tony C via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 2:48 PM
To: Doug Geoffray; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

I went and downloaded Jaws 18, I can't for the life of me remember how to 
change the speech rate, etc. also I want jaws to start at the logon screen??

-Original Message- 
From: Doug Geoffray via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:50 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Mark,

Window-Eyes will continue to run as normal so the everlock version won't 
have an issue.  However, I suspect after the first of the year you will not 
be able to return a license or authorize a new machine.  If this becomes a 
problem, just let me know.  As for getting JAWS, just go to:

http://www.freedomscientific.com/Downloads/JAWS

Download the version you want and activate it with your new license code.

Regards,
Doug

-Original Message-
From: Mark Cussons [mailto:lo...@mweb.co.za]
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:33 PM
To: Doug Geoffray <dgeoff...@vfogroup.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

HI Doug,
How will this affect those of us with everlock versions of window eyes? So 
how do you download jaws? Just download it and put in the new authorisation 
code?
Regards
Mark


Mark Cussons
email:  lo...@mweb.co.za
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+lomo1=mweb.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk
Sent: 15 May 2017 04:50 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Don,

It is mainly a licensing difference.  The home version cannot be used in a
work environment.  Functionality wise, they are identical.  The cost of SMAs
and upgrades does cost more for the Pro version.

Doug

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Don H via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:38 AM
To: Aaron Smith via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Aaron,
Glad to see you are still around.  What is the difference between JAWS Pro
and Home versions?

On 5/15/2017 9:14 AM, Aaron Smith via Talk wrote:
> Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes
family. We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the
United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and Canada
should contact their local distributor for options. We are committed to our
customers and will honor existing product purchases and software maintenance
agreements, and we will continue to provide technical support to end users
that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support package.
>
> All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the
software indefinitely; however, as the WindowsR operating system and/or
applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function adequately for
your needs.
>
> We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering
JAWSR for Windows 18 as a replacement.  We are committed to providing a
smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product purchases and
software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows.
> . End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x
will be converted to JAWS 18 at no charge.
> . If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can
purchase an upgrade to JAWS 18.
> . If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can
continue to use it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free
version, if you are interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our sales
team at 800-444-4443.
> . Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA
program for end users that migrate to JAWS.
> Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting
http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate.
>
> To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete a simple
web form that will go directly to our sales team, who will then contact you
with an authorization code for JAWS 18, or request additional information if
necessary.
>
> Requests for upgrades must be submitted at
http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrat

RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

2017-05-15 Thread Rod Hutton via Talk 
Hi Alison,

If you mean because people talked nasty on the list, I would say no.
Jaws has had the upper hand for many, many years.
It made sense that this happened this way.
It isn't right; it just happened.
Injustice and capitalism run in tandem.

Peace,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of CJ  MAY via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:13 PM
To: 'Chris Skarstad' <rascal0...@verizon.net>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

I can't help but think we talked ourselves into this situation!

 

Alison

 

 

 

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RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

2017-05-15 Thread Rod Hutton via Talk 
Hi Darrel,

Are you saying that even if you don't roll back to a previous snapshot in 
VMWare Workstation, Jaws still de-authorizes itself?

Thanks,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:01 PM
To: Darrell Bowles <dgbow...@msn.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

And my experiences with using JAWS on a virtual machine, for the love of sanity 
don't do it. It won't stay authorized.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:59 AM
To: mattc...@verizon.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

You have to reset, but you only get one reset, unless you do it over the phone.


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Matthew Chao via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:57 AM
To: Joseph Norton via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

My question is:  On how many computers can we install JAWS?  The reason I ask 
is that I use three computers - a virtual machine on a MacBook Pro, my desktop, 
and a new laptop.  Under Window-Eyes, as long as we adhered to their licensing 
requirements, we could have as many installs as we needed.  With the new JAWS, 
that may not be the case.  In that instance, I have issues about migrating.  
Worse, still, if a computer crashes, and we've gone through our allotted 
installs, I will not pay for another brand-new copy.  This kind of "too bad, so 
sad" response has the prospect of generating customer bad will.


Another example of the licensing issue appeared when I was working for the 
state.  I needed to have eight PC's on a network running Window-Eyes.  As long 
as I didn't run them all with WE at the same time, I only needed one copy.  
With an install limitation via JAWS, the state would have had to pay out more 
money, a disincentive for hiring us.  
Just my thoughts.--Matthew Chao




On 5/15/2017 11:47 AM, Joseph Norton via Talk wrote:
> You don’t even have to uninstall Window-Eyes.  It will happily co-exist with 
> Jaws.  Just decide which one you want to autostart and bring up the other 
> whenever you want it.  Don’t know how long app central and the other Web 
> services will be around, but, if Window-Eyes does what you want for the 
> present, you will not be compelled to just stop using it.
>
> I, myself, will try to get my funds together to upgrade, but, I do not feel 
> an urgency to start using Jaws right away.
>
>
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
> From: Loy via Talk
> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:28 AM
> To: Aaron Smith; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
>
> Need clarity on one thing. As an current paid user of WE, if we 
> convert to JAWS, does that mean we no longer can use WE?
> - Original Message -
> From: "Aaron Smith via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> To: <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:14 AM
> Subject: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
>
>
> Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes family.
> We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the 
> United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and 
> Canada should contact their local distributor for options. We are 
> committed to our customers and will honor existing product purchases 
> and software maintenance agreements, and we will continue to provide 
> technical support to end users that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support 
> package.
>
> All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the 
> software indefinitely; however, as the Windows® operating system 
> and/or applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function 
> adequately for your needs.
>
> We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering 
> JAWS® for Windows 18 as a replacement. We are committed to providing a 
> smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product 
> purchases and software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows.
> . End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x will be 
> converted to JAWS 18 at no charge.
> . If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can purchase 
> an upgrade to JAWS 18.
> . If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can continue to 
> use it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free version, if 
> you are interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact

RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

2017-05-15 Thread Doug Geoffray via Talk 
Matthew,

I wanted to formally address this question.  You can install JAWS on as many 
computers as you need.  We give you 3 keys but will reset and are very 
understanding to this sort of thing. As long as you are not reformatting your 
computers, you should not be losing keys.

As for the work question with a network, we routinely do this also for people 
that need to set up a license server with 1 or 2 keys for their use only.  We 
don't advertise this but something we make available with cost, upon request.

Regards,
Doug

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Matthew Chao via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:57 AM
To: Joseph Norton via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

My question is:  On how many computers can we install JAWS?  The reason I ask 
is that I use three computers - a virtual machine on a MacBook Pro, my desktop, 
and a new laptop.  Under Window-Eyes, as long as we adhered to their licensing 
requirements, we could have as many installs as we needed.  With the new JAWS, 
that may not be the case.  In that instance, I have issues about migrating.  
Worse, still, if a computer crashes, and we've gone through our allotted 
installs, I will not pay for another brand-new copy.  This kind of "too bad, so 
sad" response has the prospect of generating customer bad will.


Another example of the licensing issue appeared when I was working for the 
state.  I needed to have eight PC's on a network running Window-Eyes.  As long 
as I didn't run them all with WE at the same time, I only needed one copy.  
With an install limitation via JAWS, the state would have had to pay out more 
money, a disincentive for hiring us.  
Just my thoughts.--Matthew Chao




On 5/15/2017 11:47 AM, Joseph Norton via Talk wrote:
> You don’t even have to uninstall Window-Eyes.  It will happily co-exist with 
> Jaws.  Just decide which one you want to autostart and bring up the other 
> whenever you want it.  Don’t know how long app central and the other Web 
> services will be around, but, if Window-Eyes does what you want for the 
> present, you will not be compelled to just stop using it.
>
> I, myself, will try to get my funds together to upgrade, but, I do not feel 
> an urgency to start using Jaws right away.
>
>
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
> From: Loy via Talk
> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:28 AM
> To: Aaron Smith; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
>
> Need clarity on one thing. As an current paid user of WE, if we 
> convert to JAWS, does that mean we no longer can use WE?
> - Original Message -
> From: "Aaron Smith via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> To: <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:14 AM
> Subject: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
>
>
> Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes family.
> We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the 
> United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and 
> Canada should contact their local distributor for options. We are 
> committed to our customers and will honor existing product purchases 
> and software maintenance agreements, and we will continue to provide 
> technical support to end users that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support 
> package.
>
> All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the 
> software indefinitely; however, as the Windows® operating system 
> and/or applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function 
> adequately for your needs.
>
> We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering 
> JAWS® for Windows 18 as a replacement. We are committed to providing a 
> smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product 
> purchases and software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows.
> . End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x will be 
> converted to JAWS 18 at no charge.
> . If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can purchase 
> an upgrade to JAWS 18.
> . If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can continue to 
> use it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free version, if 
> you are interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our sales team 
> at 800-444-4443.
> . Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA program 
> for end users that migrate to JAWS.
> Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting 
> http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate.
>
> To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete a 
> simple web form that will go directly to our sales team, who will then 
> contact you with an authoriza

RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

2017-05-15 Thread Rod Hutton via Talk 
Hi Reeva,

Well, since Doug said that Window-Eyes will be around as long as it allows us 
to access our PCs, and since the apps add functionality to Window-Eyes, App 
Central will stay up and running.

All the best,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:17 AM
To: cov...@ccs.covici.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Question, since we is done, how much longer will app central be around for
those using we/the we version of zt fusion?

"the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised
night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho

Reeva

On May 15, 2017 10:12 AM, "John Covici via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
wrote:

> I think the message said you can use WE indefinitely.
>
> On Mon, 15 May 2017 10:28:11 -0400,
> Loy via Talk wrote:
> >
> > Need clarity on one thing. As an current paid user of WE, if we
> > convert to JAWS, does that mean we no longer can use WE?
> > - Original Message - From: "Aaron Smith via Talk"
> > <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> > To: <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> > Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:14 AM
> > Subject: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
> >
> >
> > Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and
> > Window-Eyes family. We regret to announce that sales of
> > Window-Eyes have ended in the United States and Canada. Users
> > outside of the United States and Canada should contact their
> > local distributor for options. We are committed to our customers
> > and will honor existing product purchases and software
> > maintenance agreements, and we will continue to provide technical
> > support to end users that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support
> > package.
> >
> > All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use
> > the software indefinitely; however, as the Windows® operating
> > system and/or applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not
> > function adequately for your needs.
> >
> > We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are
> > offering JAWS® for Windows 18 as a replacement. We are committed
> > to providing a smooth transition and will honor existing
> > Window-Eyes product purchases and software maintenance agreements
> > (SMA), as follows.
> > . End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x
> > will be converted to JAWS 18 at no charge.
> > . If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can
> > purchase an upgrade to JAWS 18.
> > . If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can
> > continue to use it. While there is not an upgrade path from the
> > free version, if you are interested in purchasing JAWS, please
> > contact our sales team at 800-444-4443.
> > . Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA
> > program for end users that migrate to JAWS.
> > Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting
> > http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate.
> >
> > To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete
> > a simple web form that will go directly to our sales team, who
> > will then contact you with an authorization code for JAWS 18, or
> > request additional information if necessary.
> >
> > Requests for upgrades must be submitted at
> > http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrateform or by phone at
> > 800-444-4443 by July 31, 2017.
> >
> > Note, the free Window-Eyes Offer for Users of Microsoft Office
> > version is not part of the conversion program.
> >
> > If you have any questions please call us at 800-444-4443 or email
> > us at mailto:ord...@vfogroup.com.
> >
> >
> > Aaron Smith
> > VFOT | Enterprise Compliance
> > 11800 31st Court North, St. Petersburg, FL 33716
> > T 727-803-8000 x 6208 F 727-803-8001
> > ajsm...@vfogroup.com
> > www.vfogroup.com
> >
> > The information contained in this communication is confidential,
> > may constitute inside information, and is intended only for the
> > use of the addressee. It is the property of VFOT. Unauthorized
> > use, disclosure or copying of this communication or any part
> > thereof is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful.  If you have
> > received this communication in error, please notify us
> > immediately by return email, and destroy this communication and
> > all copies thereof, including all attachments.
> >

Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

2017-05-15 Thread Matthew Chao via Talk 

How do you get the Pro Edition?--Matthew Chao




On 5/15/2017 1:06 PM, Don H via Talk wrote:
On the JAWS download link provided I don't see a home and pro version. 
How do you get the home edition?


On 5/15/2017 11:50 AM, Doug Geoffray via Talk wrote:

Mark,

Window-Eyes will continue to run as normal so the everlock version 
won't have an issue.  However, I suspect after the first of the year 
you will not be able to return a license or authorize a new machine.  
If this becomes a problem, just let me know.  As for getting JAWS, 
just go to:


http://www.freedomscientific.com/Downloads/JAWS

Download the version you want and activate it with your new license 
code.


Regards,
Doug

-Original Message-
From: Mark Cussons [mailto:lo...@mweb.co.za]
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:33 PM
To: Doug Geoffray <dgeoff...@vfogroup.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion 
List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>

Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

HI Doug,
How will this affect those of us with everlock versions of window 
eyes? So how do you download jaws? Just download it and put in the 
new authorisation code?

Regards
Mark


Mark Cussons
email:  lo...@mweb.co.za
-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+lomo1=mweb.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On

Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk
Sent: 15 May 2017 04:50 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Don,

It is mainly a licensing difference.  The home version cannot be used 
in a
work environment.  Functionality wise, they are identical.  The cost 
of SMAs

and upgrades does cost more for the Pro version.

Doug

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf

Of Don H via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:38 AM
To: Aaron Smith via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Aaron,
Glad to see you are still around.  What is the difference between 
JAWS Pro

and Home versions?

On 5/15/2017 9:14 AM, Aaron Smith via Talk wrote:

Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes
family. We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in 
the

United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and Canada
should contact their local distributor for options. We are committed 
to our
customers and will honor existing product purchases and software 
maintenance
agreements, and we will continue to provide technical support to end 
users

that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support package.


All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the

software indefinitely; however, as the WindowsR operating system and/or
applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function 
adequately for

your needs.


We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering

JAWSR for Windows 18 as a replacement.  We are committed to providing a
smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product 
purchases and

software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows.

. End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x

will be converted to JAWS 18 at no charge.

. If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can

purchase an upgrade to JAWS 18.

. If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can

continue to use it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free
version, if you are interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our 
sales

team at 800-444-4443.

. Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA

program for end users that migrate to JAWS.

Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting

http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate.


To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete a 
simple
web form that will go directly to our sales team, who will then 
contact you
with an authorization code for JAWS 18, or request additional 
information if

necessary.


Requests for upgrades must be submitted at
http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrateform or by phone at 
800-444-4443

by July 31, 2017.


Note, the free Window-Eyes Offer for Users of Microsoft Office 
version is

not part of the conversion program.


If you have any questions please call us at 800-444-4443 or email us at

mailto:ord...@vfogroup.com.



Aaron Smith
VFOT | Enterprise Compliance
11800 31st Court North, St. Petersburg, FL 33716 T 727-803-8000 x 6208
F 727-803-8001 ajsm...@vfogroup.com www.vfogroup.com

The information contained in this communication is confidential, may

constitute inside information, and is intended only for the use of the
addressee. It is the property of VFOT. Unauthorized use, disclosure or
copying of this communication or any part thereof is strictly 
prohibited and
may be unlawful.  If you have received this communication in error, 
please
notify us immediately by return email, and destroy this communication 
and

all copies ther

RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

2017-05-15 Thread Reeva Webb via Talk 
Another question. Will any sort of break be given to people who bought the
we version of zt fusion? Also, is it true that the neospeech voices will
not be in the new jfw version of fusion?  If the answer is that they won't
be, i urge y'all to consider putting them in. Zt without kate and paul is
like jfw without eloquence.

"the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised
night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho

Reeva

On May 15, 2017 2:38 PM, "Doug Geoffray via Talk" <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

David,

Tandem is a feature that lets one JAWS users remotely assist another JAWS
users. Window-Eyes had a similar feature.  I'm not sure why they broke up
the installers with and without Tandem other than to bring the installer
size down and less to run.   You could always switch later if you felt you
needed Tandem or you no longer want it.

Regards,
Doug

-Original Message-
From: David [mailto:trailerda...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 3:34 PM
To: Doug Geoffray <dgeoff...@vfogroup.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Confused.


I did go to the webpage provided by Doug. Here I am supposed to choose the
version of Jaws to download. OK, I do understand the stuff about 32 64bit.
What confuses me, is that there is first a choice for 32/64bit, and then
the same for something that says non-tandem.


What should I go for, and will that have any impact on the licensing?


Further, it asks me to choose my prefered language. What is the licensing
of Jaws, when comes to english/non-English versions? Can you freely switch
within the set of supported languages, or is it the way you download and
license one given language, and are stuck with that language forever?


Thanks for any pointers.



David

On 5/15/2017 6:50 PM, Doug Geoffray via Talk wrote:
> Mark,
>
> Window-Eyes will continue to run as normal so the everlock version won't
have an issue.  However, I suspect after the first of the year you will not
be able to return a license or authorize a new machine.  If this becomes a
problem, just let me know.  As for getting JAWS, just go to:
>
> http://www.freedomscientific.com/Downloads/JAWS
>
> Download the version you want and activate it with your new license code.
>
> Regards,
> Doug
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mark Cussons [mailto:lo...@mweb.co.za]
> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:33 PM
> To: Doug Geoffray <dgeoff...@vfogroup.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion
> List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
>
> HI Doug,
> How will this affect those of us with everlock versions of window eyes?
So how do you download jaws? Just download it and put in the new
authorisation code?
> Regards
> Mark
>
>
> Mark Cussons
> email:  lo...@mweb.co.za
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+lomo1=mweb.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
> Of Doug Geoffray via Talk
> Sent: 15 May 2017 04:50 PM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
>
> Don,
>
> It is mainly a licensing difference.  The home version cannot be used
> in a work environment.  Functionality wise, they are identical.  The
> cost of SMAs and upgrades does cost more for the Pro version.
>
> Doug
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup....@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Don H via Talk
> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:38 AM
> To: Aaron Smith via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
>
> Aaron,
> Glad to see you are still around.  What is the difference between JAWS
> Pro and Home versions?
>
> On 5/15/2017 9:14 AM, Aaron Smith via Talk wrote:
>> Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes
> family. We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in
> the United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and
> Canada should contact their local distributor for options. We are
> committed to our customers and will honor existing product purchases
> and software maintenance agreements, and we will continue to provide
> technical support to end users that have purchased Window-Eyes or a
support package.
>> All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the
> software indefinitely; however, as the WindowsR operating system
> and/or applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function
> adequately for your needs.
>> We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are
>> offering
> JAWSR for Windows 18 as a replacement.  We are committed to providing
> a smooth transition and will h

RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

2017-05-15 Thread Doug Geoffray via Talk 
David,

Tandem is a feature that lets one JAWS users remotely assist another JAWS 
users. Window-Eyes had a similar feature.  I'm not sure why they broke up the 
installers with and without Tandem other than to bring the installer size down 
and less to run.   You could always switch later if you felt you needed Tandem 
or you no longer want it.

Regards,
Doug

-Original Message-
From: David [mailto:trailerda...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 3:34 PM
To: Doug Geoffray <dgeoff...@vfogroup.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Confused.


I did go to the webpage provided by Doug. Here I am supposed to choose the 
version of Jaws to download. OK, I do understand the stuff about 32 64bit. What 
confuses me, is that there is first a choice for 32/64bit, and then the same 
for something that says non-tandem.


What should I go for, and will that have any impact on the licensing?


Further, it asks me to choose my prefered language. What is the licensing of 
Jaws, when comes to english/non-English versions? Can you freely switch within 
the set of supported languages, or is it the way you download and license one 
given language, and are stuck with that language forever?


Thanks for any pointers.



David

On 5/15/2017 6:50 PM, Doug Geoffray via Talk wrote:
> Mark,
>
> Window-Eyes will continue to run as normal so the everlock version won't have 
> an issue.  However, I suspect after the first of the year you will not be 
> able to return a license or authorize a new machine.  If this becomes a 
> problem, just let me know.  As for getting JAWS, just go to:
>
> http://www.freedomscientific.com/Downloads/JAWS
>
> Download the version you want and activate it with your new license code.
>
> Regards,
> Doug
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mark Cussons [mailto:lo...@mweb.co.za]
> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:33 PM
> To: Doug Geoffray <dgeoff...@vfogroup.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion 
> List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
>
> HI Doug,
> How will this affect those of us with everlock versions of window eyes? So 
> how do you download jaws? Just download it and put in the new authorisation 
> code?
> Regards
> Mark
>
>
> Mark Cussons
> email:  lo...@mweb.co.za
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk 
> [mailto:talk-bounces+lomo1=mweb.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
> Of Doug Geoffray via Talk
> Sent: 15 May 2017 04:50 PM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
>
> Don,
>
> It is mainly a licensing difference.  The home version cannot be used 
> in a work environment.  Functionality wise, they are identical.  The 
> cost of SMAs and upgrades does cost more for the Pro version.
>
> Doug
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup....@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of Don H via Talk
> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:38 AM
> To: Aaron Smith via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
>
> Aaron,
> Glad to see you are still around.  What is the difference between JAWS 
> Pro and Home versions?
>
> On 5/15/2017 9:14 AM, Aaron Smith via Talk wrote:
>> Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes
> family. We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in 
> the United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and 
> Canada should contact their local distributor for options. We are 
> committed to our customers and will honor existing product purchases 
> and software maintenance agreements, and we will continue to provide 
> technical support to end users that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support 
> package.
>> All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the
> software indefinitely; however, as the WindowsR operating system 
> and/or applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function 
> adequately for your needs.
>> We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are 
>> offering
> JAWSR for Windows 18 as a replacement.  We are committed to providing 
> a smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product 
> purchases and software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows.
>> . End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x
> will be converted to JAWS 18 at no charge.
>> . If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can
> purchase an upgrade to JAWS 18.
>> . If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can
> continue to use it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free 
> version, if you are intere

Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

2017-05-15 Thread David via Talk 
Confused.


I did go to the webpage provided by Doug. Here I am supposed to choose 
the version of Jaws to download. OK, I do understand the stuff about 32 
64bit. What confuses me, is that there is first a choice for 32/64bit, 
and then the same for something that says non-tandem.


What should I go for, and will that have any impact on the licensing?


Further, it asks me to choose my prefered language. What is the 
licensing of Jaws, when comes to english/non-English versions? Can you 
freely switch within the set of supported languages, or is it the way 
you download and license one given language, and are stuck with that 
language forever?


Thanks for any pointers.



David

On 5/15/2017 6:50 PM, Doug Geoffray via Talk wrote:
> Mark,
>
> Window-Eyes will continue to run as normal so the everlock version won't have 
> an issue.  However, I suspect after the first of the year you will not be 
> able to return a license or authorize a new machine.  If this becomes a 
> problem, just let me know.  As for getting JAWS, just go to:
>
> http://www.freedomscientific.com/Downloads/JAWS
>
> Download the version you want and activate it with your new license code.
>
> Regards,
> Doug
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mark Cussons [mailto:lo...@mweb.co.za]
> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:33 PM
> To: Doug Geoffray <dgeoff...@vfogroup.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
>
> HI Doug,
> How will this affect those of us with everlock versions of window eyes? So 
> how do you download jaws? Just download it and put in the new authorisation 
> code?
> Regards
> Mark
>
>
> Mark Cussons
> email:  lo...@mweb.co.za
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+lomo1=mweb.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk
> Sent: 15 May 2017 04:50 PM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
>
> Don,
>
> It is mainly a licensing difference.  The home version cannot be used in a
> work environment.  Functionality wise, they are identical.  The cost of SMAs
> and upgrades does cost more for the Pro version.
>
> Doug
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
> Of Don H via Talk
> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:38 AM
> To: Aaron Smith via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
>
> Aaron,
> Glad to see you are still around.  What is the difference between JAWS Pro
> and Home versions?
>
> On 5/15/2017 9:14 AM, Aaron Smith via Talk wrote:
>> Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes
> family. We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the
> United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and Canada
> should contact their local distributor for options. We are committed to our
> customers and will honor existing product purchases and software maintenance
> agreements, and we will continue to provide technical support to end users
> that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support package.
>> All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the
> software indefinitely; however, as the WindowsR operating system and/or
> applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function adequately for
> your needs.
>> We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering
> JAWSR for Windows 18 as a replacement.  We are committed to providing a
> smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product purchases and
> software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows.
>> . End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x
> will be converted to JAWS 18 at no charge.
>> . If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can
> purchase an upgrade to JAWS 18.
>> . If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can
> continue to use it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free
> version, if you are interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our sales
> team at 800-444-4443.
>> . Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA
> program for end users that migrate to JAWS.
>> Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting
> http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate.
>> To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete a simple
> web form that will go directly to our sales team, who will then contact you
> with an authorization code for JAWS 18, or request additional information if
> necessary.
>> Requests for upgrades must be submitted at
> http://www.gwmic

RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

2017-05-15 Thread Amanda Lee via Talk 
Ins-j then alt-o for options and basics to set JAWS to be available at login
and so on and down-arrow to Voices to adjust rate and so on.
HTH

Amanda


-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+amandainparadise777=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Tony C via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 2:48 PM
To: Doug Geoffray <dgeoff...@vfogroup.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

I went and downloaded Jaws 18, I can't for the life of me remember how to
change the speech rate, etc. also I want jaws to start at the logon screen??

-Original Message-
From: Doug Geoffray via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:50 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Mark,

Window-Eyes will continue to run as normal so the everlock version won't
have an issue.  However, I suspect after the first of the year you will not
be able to return a license or authorize a new machine.  If this becomes a
problem, just let me know.  As for getting JAWS, just go to:

http://www.freedomscientific.com/Downloads/JAWS

Download the version you want and activate it with your new license code.

Regards,
Doug

-Original Message-
From: Mark Cussons [mailto:lo...@mweb.co.za]
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:33 PM
To: Doug Geoffray <dgeoff...@vfogroup.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

HI Doug,
How will this affect those of us with everlock versions of window eyes? So
how do you download jaws? Just download it and put in the new authorisation
code?
Regards
Mark


Mark Cussons
email:  lo...@mweb.co.za
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+lomo1=mweb.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk
Sent: 15 May 2017 04:50 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Don,

It is mainly a licensing difference.  The home version cannot be used in a
work environment.  Functionality wise, they are identical.  The cost of SMAs
and upgrades does cost more for the Pro version.

Doug

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Don H via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:38 AM
To: Aaron Smith via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Aaron,
Glad to see you are still around.  What is the difference between JAWS Pro
and Home versions?

On 5/15/2017 9:14 AM, Aaron Smith via Talk wrote:
> Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes
family. We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the
United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and Canada
should contact their local distributor for options. We are committed to our
customers and will honor existing product purchases and software maintenance
agreements, and we will continue to provide technical support to end users
that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support package.
>
> All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the
software indefinitely; however, as the WindowsR operating system and/or
applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function adequately for
your needs.
>
> We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering
JAWSR for Windows 18 as a replacement.  We are committed to providing a
smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product purchases and
software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows.
> . End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x
will be converted to JAWS 18 at no charge.
> . If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can
purchase an upgrade to JAWS 18.
> . If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can
continue to use it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free
version, if you are interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our sales
team at 800-444-4443.
> . Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA
program for end users that migrate to JAWS.
> Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting
http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate.
>
> To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete a 
> simple
web form that will go directly to our sales team, who will then contact you
with an authorization code for JAWS 18, or request additional information if
necessary.
>
> Requests for upgrades must be submitted at
http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrateform or by phone at 800-444-4443
by July 31, 2017.
>
> Note, the free Window-Eyes Offer for Users of Microsoft Office version 
> is
not part of the conversion program.
>
> If you have any questions please call us at 800-444-4443 or email us 
> at
mailto:ord...@vfogroup.com.
>
>
> Aaron Smith
> VFOT

RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

2017-05-15 Thread Dennis Long via Talk 
Norene Yes you will.  You will also be able to purchase a SMA if needed for
a discounted price.  If you have a SMA for W.E it will transfer over. 

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Norene Trappa via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 3:07 PM
To: Rod Hutton; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Hello
Currently I am using Windows 7 and window-eyes 9.5.4.0.

Will I be able to download the free version of Jaws?  That would be great!

Norene


-Original Message-
From: Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:36 PM
To: Singing Sparrow ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Yes.  Assuming you are running the retail version, simply write to:

wesupp...@aisquared.com

and they'll produce one for you.

Hth,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Singing Sparrow via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:58 AM
To: Doug Geoffray <dgeoff...@vfogroup.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Is there a way we can get a downloadable version of window eyes 9.5.4?
So we can have thison hand?
On 5/15/2017 9:48 AM, Doug Geoffray via Talk wrote:
> Window-Eyes will continue to run as it always has.  Even if you 
> migrate you can continue to have Window-Eyes installed and switch back 
> and forth as you need to.  The only thing with Window-Eyes is it will 
> no longer be upgraded.  So 9.5.4 is the last version.
>
> Regards,
> Doug
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of Loy via Talk
> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:28 AM
> To: Aaron Smith <ajsm...@vfogroup.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
>
> Need clarity on one thing. As an current paid user of WE, if we 
> convert to JAWS, does that mean we no longer can use WE?
> - Original Message -
> From: "Aaron Smith via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> To: <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:14 AM
> Subject: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
>
>
> Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes 
> family.
> We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the 
> United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and 
> Canada should contact their local distributor for options. We are 
> committed to our customers and will honor existing product purchases 
> and software maintenance agreements, and we will continue to provide 
> technical support to end users that have purchased Window-Eyes or a
support package.
>
> All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the 
> software indefinitely; however, as the Windows(r) operating system 
> and/or applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function 
> adequately for your needs.
>
> We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering
> JAWS(r) for Windows 18 as a replacement. We are committed to providing 
> a smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product 
> purchases and software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows.
> . End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x will be 
> converted to JAWS 18 at no charge.
> . If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can purchase 
> an upgrade to JAWS 18.
> . If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can continue to 
> use it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free version, if 
> you are interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our sales team 
> at 800-444-4443.
> . Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA program 
> for end users that migrate to JAWS.
> Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting 
> http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate.
>
> To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete a 
> simple web form that will go directly to our sales team, who will then 
> contact you with an authorization code for JAWS 18, or request 
> additional information if necessary.
>
> Requests for upgrades must be submitted at 
> http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrateform or by phone at 
> 800-444-4443 by July 31, 2017.
>
> Note, the free Window-Eyes Offer for Users of Microsoft Office version 
> is not part of the conversion program.
>
> If you have any questions please call us at 800-444-4443 or email us 
> at mailto:ord...@vfogroup.com.
>
>
> Aaron Smith
> VFOT | Enterprise Compliance
> 11800 31st C

Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

2017-05-15 Thread Norene Trappa via Talk 

Hello
Currently I am using Windows 7 and window-eyes 9.5.4.0.

Will I be able to download the free version of Jaws?  That would be great!

Norene


-Original Message- 
From: Rod Hutton via Talk

Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:36 PM
To: Singing Sparrow ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Yes.  Assuming you are running the retail version, simply write to:

wesupp...@aisquared.com

and they'll produce one for you.

Hth,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Singing Sparrow via Talk

Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:58 AM
To: Doug Geoffray <dgeoff...@vfogroup.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>

Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Is there a way we can get a downloadable version of window eyes 9.5.4?
So we can have thison hand?
On 5/15/2017 9:48 AM, Doug Geoffray via Talk wrote:
Window-Eyes will continue to run as it always has.  Even if you migrate 
you can continue to have Window-Eyes installed and switch back and forth 
as you need to.  The only thing with Window-Eyes is it will no longer be 
upgraded.  So 9.5.4 is the last version.


Regards,
Doug

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Loy via Talk

Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:28 AM
To: Aaron Smith <ajsm...@vfogroup.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>

Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Need clarity on one thing. As an current paid user of WE, if we convert to 
JAWS, does that mean we no longer can use WE?

- Original Message -
From: "Aaron Smith via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
To: <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:14 AM
Subject: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration


Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes 
family.
We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the United 
States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and Canada should 
contact their local distributor for options. We are committed to our 
customers and will honor existing product purchases and software 
maintenance agreements, and we will continue to provide technical support 
to end users that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support package.


All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the 
software indefinitely; however, as the Windows(r) operating system and/or 
applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function adequately for 
your needs.


We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering 
JAWS(r) for Windows 18 as a replacement. We are committed to providing a 
smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product purchases 
and software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows.
. End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x will be 
converted to JAWS 18 at no charge.
. If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can purchase an 
upgrade to JAWS 18.
. If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can continue to use 
it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free version, if you are 
interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our sales team at 
800-444-4443.
. Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA program for 
end users that migrate to JAWS.
Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting 
http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate.


To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete a simple 
web form that will go directly to our sales team, who will then contact 
you with an authorization code for JAWS 18, or request additional 
information if necessary.


Requests for upgrades must be submitted at 
http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrateform or by phone at 800-444-4443 
by July 31, 2017.


Note, the free Window-Eyes Offer for Users of Microsoft Office version is 
not part of the conversion program.


If you have any questions please call us at 800-444-4443 or email us at 
mailto:ord...@vfogroup.com.



Aaron Smith
VFOT | Enterprise Compliance
11800 31st Court North, St. Petersburg, FL 33716
T 727-803-8000 x 6208 F 727-803-8001
ajsm...@vfogroup.com
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Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

2017-05-15 Thread Vaughan Dodd via Talk 

No.


The two co-exist quite happily.


Its a good offer: take it  if you meet the criteria.


Vaughan.




On 5/16/2017 2:28 AM, Loy via Talk wrote:
Need clarity on one thing. As an current paid user of WE, if we 
convert to JAWS, does that mean we no longer can use WE?
- Original Message - From: "Aaron Smith via Talk" 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>

To: <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:14 AM
Subject: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration


Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes 
family. We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in 
the United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and 
Canada should contact their local distributor for options. We are 
committed to our customers and will honor existing product purchases 
and software maintenance agreements, and we will continue to provide 
technical support to end users that have purchased Window-Eyes or a 
support package.


All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the 
software indefinitely; however, as the Windows® operating system 
and/or applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function 
adequately for your needs.


We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering 
JAWS® for Windows 18 as a replacement. We are committed to providing a 
smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product 
purchases and software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows.
. End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x will be 
converted to JAWS 18 at no charge.
. If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can purchase 
an upgrade to JAWS 18.
. If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can continue to 
use it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free version, if 
you are interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our sales team 
at 800-444-4443.
. Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA program 
for end users that migrate to JAWS.
Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting 
http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate.


To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete a 
simple web form that will go directly to our sales team, who will then 
contact you with an authorization code for JAWS 18, or request 
additional information if necessary.


Requests for upgrades must be submitted at 
http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrateform or by phone at 
800-444-4443 by July 31, 2017.


Note, the free Window-Eyes Offer for Users of Microsoft Office version 
is not part of the conversion program.


If you have any questions please call us at 800-444-4443 or email us 
at mailto:ord...@vfogroup.com.



Aaron Smith
VFOT | Enterprise Compliance
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ajsm...@vfogroup.com
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Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

2017-05-15 Thread Tony C via Talk 
I went and downloaded Jaws 18, I can't for the life of me remember how to 
change the speech rate, etc. also I want jaws to start at the logon screen??


-Original Message- 
From: Doug Geoffray via Talk

Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:50 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Mark,

Window-Eyes will continue to run as normal so the everlock version won't 
have an issue.  However, I suspect after the first of the year you will not 
be able to return a license or authorize a new machine.  If this becomes a 
problem, just let me know.  As for getting JAWS, just go to:


http://www.freedomscientific.com/Downloads/JAWS

Download the version you want and activate it with your new license code.

Regards,
Doug

-Original Message-
From: Mark Cussons [mailto:lo...@mweb.co.za]
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:33 PM
To: Doug Geoffray <dgeoff...@vfogroup.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>

Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

HI Doug,
How will this affect those of us with everlock versions of window eyes? So 
how do you download jaws? Just download it and put in the new authorisation 
code?

Regards
Mark


Mark Cussons
email:  lo...@mweb.co.za
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+lomo1=mweb.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk
Sent: 15 May 2017 04:50 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Don,

It is mainly a licensing difference.  The home version cannot be used in a
work environment.  Functionality wise, they are identical.  The cost of SMAs
and upgrades does cost more for the Pro version.

Doug

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Don H via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:38 AM
To: Aaron Smith via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Aaron,
Glad to see you are still around.  What is the difference between JAWS Pro
and Home versions?

On 5/15/2017 9:14 AM, Aaron Smith via Talk wrote:

Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes

family. We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the
United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and Canada
should contact their local distributor for options. We are committed to our
customers and will honor existing product purchases and software maintenance
agreements, and we will continue to provide technical support to end users
that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support package.


All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the

software indefinitely; however, as the WindowsR operating system and/or
applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function adequately for
your needs.


We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering

JAWSR for Windows 18 as a replacement.  We are committed to providing a
smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product purchases and
software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows.

. End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x

will be converted to JAWS 18 at no charge.

. If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can

purchase an upgrade to JAWS 18.

. If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can

continue to use it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free
version, if you are interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our sales
team at 800-444-4443.

. Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA

program for end users that migrate to JAWS.

Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting

http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate.


To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete a simple

web form that will go directly to our sales team, who will then contact you
with an authorization code for JAWS 18, or request additional information if
necessary.


Requests for upgrades must be submitted at

http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrateform or by phone at 800-444-4443
by July 31, 2017.


Note, the free Window-Eyes Offer for Users of Microsoft Office version is

not part of the conversion program.


If you have any questions please call us at 800-444-4443 or email us at

mailto:ord...@vfogroup.com.



Aaron Smith
VFOT | Enterprise Compliance
11800 31st Court North, St. Petersburg, FL 33716 T 727-803-8000 x 6208
F 727-803-8001 ajsm...@vfogroup.com www.vfogroup.com

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Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

2017-05-15 Thread Robert Ringwald via Talk 

Dear Aaron,

What a sad day.

I need help.

I had a crupted file on WE so uninstalled it and reinstalled 9.5.4. Several 
things are not working right.

Using Win 10
WE 9.5.4
WLM 2012
Word 2010

When I compose an email in WLM, I cannot read what I write. I have to 
compose the email in Word and then cut and paste into the WLM email.


Also, When I go to Word, I cannot see my list of documents.

In order to get to a document, I open a fresh word document which is blank, 
then merge it into the document that I want. If I can’t remember the exact 
name of the doc, I’m screwed.


Any ideas?

Can you connect to my computer and see if you can figure out what is wrong?

-Bob


-Original Message- 
From: Aaron Smith via Talk

Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 7:14 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes family. 
We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the United 
States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and Canada should 
contact their local distributor for options. We are committed to our 
customers and will honor existing product purchases and software maintenance 
agreements, and we will continue to provide technical support to end users 
that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support package.


All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the 
software indefinitely; however, as the Windows® operating system and/or 
applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function adequately for 
your needs.


We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering JAWS® 
for Windows 18 as a replacement.  We are committed to providing a smooth 
transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product purchases and 
software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows.
. End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x will 
be converted to JAWS 18 at no charge.
. If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can 
purchase an upgrade to JAWS 18.
. If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can continue 
to use it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free version, if you 
are interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our sales team at 
800-444-4443.
. Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA program 
for end users that migrate to JAWS.
Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting 
http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate.


To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete a simple 
web form that will go directly to our sales team, who will then contact you 
with an authorization code for JAWS 18, or request additional information if 
necessary.


Requests for upgrades must be submitted at 
http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrateform or by phone at 800-444-4443 
by July 31, 2017.


Note, the free Window-Eyes Offer for Users of Microsoft Office version is 
not part of the conversion program.


If you have any questions please call us at 800-444-4443 or email us at 
mailto:ord...@vfogroup.com.



Aaron Smith
VFOT | Enterprise Compliance
11800 31st Court North, St. Petersburg, FL 33716
T 727-803-8000 x 6208 F 727-803-8001
ajsm...@vfogroup.com
www.vfogroup.com

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RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

2017-05-15 Thread Dennis Long via Talk 
Yes.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of net bat via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:59 PM
To: Doug Geoffray; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

would the license key work with the jaws demo 18?
i have  been useing this several months , trying to learn how to use it.



-Original Message-
From: Doug Geoffray via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:50 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Mark,

Window-Eyes will continue to run as normal so the everlock version won't
have an issue.  However, I suspect after the first of the year you will not
be able to return a license or authorize a new machine.  If this becomes a
problem, just let me know.  As for getting JAWS, just go to:

http://www.freedomscientific.com/Downloads/JAWS

Download the version you want and activate it with your new license code.

Regards,
Doug

-Original Message-
From: Mark Cussons [mailto:lo...@mweb.co.za]
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:33 PM
To: Doug Geoffray <dgeoff...@vfogroup.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

HI Doug,
How will this affect those of us with everlock versions of window eyes? So
how do you download jaws? Just download it and put in the new authorisation
code?
Regards
Mark


Mark Cussons
email:  lo...@mweb.co.za
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+lomo1=mweb.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk
Sent: 15 May 2017 04:50 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Don,

It is mainly a licensing difference.  The home version cannot be used in a
work environment.  Functionality wise, they are identical.  The cost of SMAs
and upgrades does cost more for the Pro version.

Doug

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Don H via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:38 AM
To: Aaron Smith via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Aaron,
Glad to see you are still around.  What is the difference between JAWS Pro
and Home versions?

On 5/15/2017 9:14 AM, Aaron Smith via Talk wrote:
> Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes
family. We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the
United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and Canada
should contact their local distributor for options. We are committed to our
customers and will honor existing product purchases and software maintenance
agreements, and we will continue to provide technical support to end users
that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support package.
>
> All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the
software indefinitely; however, as the WindowsR operating system and/or
applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function adequately for
your needs.
>
> We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering
JAWSR for Windows 18 as a replacement.  We are committed to providing a
smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product purchases and
software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows.
> . End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x
will be converted to JAWS 18 at no charge.
> . If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can
purchase an upgrade to JAWS 18.
> . If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can
continue to use it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free
version, if you are interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our sales
team at 800-444-4443.
> . Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA
program for end users that migrate to JAWS.
> Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting
http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate.
>
> To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete a simple
web form that will go directly to our sales team, who will then contact you
with an authorization code for JAWS 18, or request additional information if
necessary.
>
> Requests for upgrades must be submitted at
http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrateform or by phone at 800-444-4443
by July 31, 2017.
>
> Note, the free Window-Eyes Offer for Users of Microsoft Office version is
not part of the conversion program.
>
> If you have any questions please call us at 800-444-4443 or email us at
mailto:ord...@vfogroup.com.
>
>
> Aaron Smith
> VFOT | Enterprise Compliance
> 11800 31st Court North, St. Petersburg, FL 33716 T 727-803-8000 x 6208
> F 727-803-8001 ajsm...@vfogroup.com www.vfogroup.com
>
> The information contained in this communication is confidential, may
constitute inside informat

RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

2017-05-15 Thread Joseph Norton via Talk 
The license key determines which version you have.  There is no functional 
difference; it’s just that the Pro version is ued if you are using Jaws for 
business purposes.  The home version will run on either home or Pro versions of 
Windows.



Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Don H via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 1:06 PM
To: Doug Geoffray via Talk
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

On the JAWS download link provided I don't see a home and pro version. 
How do you get the home edition?

On 5/15/2017 11:50 AM, Doug Geoffray via Talk wrote:
> Mark,
> 
> Window-Eyes will continue to run as normal so the everlock version won't have 
> an issue.  However, I suspect after the first of the year you will not be 
> able to return a license or authorize a new machine.  If this becomes a 
> problem, just let me know.  As for getting JAWS, just go to:
> 
> http://www.freedomscientific.com/Downloads/JAWS
> 
> Download the version you want and activate it with your new license code.
> 
> Regards,
> Doug
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Mark Cussons [mailto:lo...@mweb.co.za]
> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:33 PM
> To: Doug Geoffray <dgeoff...@vfogroup.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
> 
> HI Doug,
> How will this affect those of us with everlock versions of window eyes? So 
> how do you download jaws? Just download it and put in the new authorisation 
> code?
> Regards
> Mark
> 
> 
> Mark Cussons
> email:  lo...@mweb.co.za
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+lomo1=mweb.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk
> Sent: 15 May 2017 04:50 PM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
> 
> Don,
> 
> It is mainly a licensing difference.  The home version cannot be used in a
> work environment.  Functionality wise, they are identical.  The cost of SMAs
> and upgrades does cost more for the Pro version.
> 
> Doug
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
> Of Don H via Talk
> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:38 AM
> To: Aaron Smith via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
> 
> Aaron,
> Glad to see you are still around.  What is the difference between JAWS Pro
> and Home versions?
> 
> On 5/15/2017 9:14 AM, Aaron Smith via Talk wrote:
>> Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes
> family. We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the
> United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and Canada
> should contact their local distributor for options. We are committed to our
> customers and will honor existing product purchases and software maintenance
> agreements, and we will continue to provide technical support to end users
> that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support package.
>>
>> All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the
> software indefinitely; however, as the WindowsR operating system and/or
> applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function adequately for
> your needs.
>>
>> We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering
> JAWSR for Windows 18 as a replacement.  We are committed to providing a
> smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product purchases and
> software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows.
>> . End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x
> will be converted to JAWS 18 at no charge.
>> . If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can
> purchase an upgrade to JAWS 18.
>> . If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can
> continue to use it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free
> version, if you are interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our sales
> team at 800-444-4443.
>> . Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA
> program for end users that migrate to JAWS.
>> Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting
> http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate.
>>
>> To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete a simple
> web form that will go directly to our sales team, who will then contact you
> with an authorization code for JAWS 18, or request additional information if
> necessary.
>>
>> Requests for upgrades must be submitted at
> http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrateform or by phone at 800-444-4443
> by July 31, 2017.
>>
>> Note, the free Window-

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