Re[2]: html whitelist wish
sábado, 26 feb 2005 at 18:55, it seems you wrote:
That would be fine with me. Even just a checkbox in the prefs to
enable/disable the button's fuctionality and include/remove it from the
toolbar would be fine with me. In fact, it's a very good idea to make
it inactive completely unless someone wants to make it active.
What about a messagebox with a confirmation as TB does now when trying
to open an attachment?
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I have changed a couple of icons in the new_icons.png file but they stay as with the original colours in the original file. I can't understand it. It's the only png file in my Alpha folder and my icons in TB! version 3 are totally different so it can't be using those so where are the icons stored if not in this file? I've rebooted the PC and still no change. -- Regards, Richard | The Bat! 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha SpamPal | Windows XP (build 2600), version 5. 1 Service Pack 2 | Opera 8.00 build 7401 Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: html whitelist wish
Hello Leif, A reminder of what Leif Gregory on TBBETA typed on: 27 February 2005 at 02:10:08 GMT +0100 LG Happy Tony? Now you drug me into this! I've bowed out of it as gracefully as I could now. No one came up with any new convincing reasons for html so it got boring. Anyway, I didn't have to drug you to get you to make a comment, your own conscience done that for me :) -- Tony. Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 :gentoo: www.gentoo.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha is now available
Hi Stefan Tanurkov, Monday, February 21, 2005 you let us know -at least in parts- : It's an Alpha, so please be aware of the numerous bugs and omissions - please feel free to mention them here or at the BT. When TB is sent to tray and is running idle, rightclicking on it selecting close will not close TB. Nothing happens. I have to maximize it again and close it the regular way. -- best sunday wishes Charlene Ferrara mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :star: Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha is now available
Hello Charlene, On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] CF When TB is sent to tray and is running idle, rightclicking on it CF selecting close will not close TB. Nothing happens. I have to maximize CF it again and close it the regular way. Can't confirm although there are times when it does/doesn't do something for no apparent reason and then it works fine this morning. Earlier on I tried to send a message direct but clicking on the send button in the Message Edit box did nothing, I had to put it in the outbox before it would send. This has not happened before or since with this Alpha. -- Regards, Richard | The Bat! 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha SpamPal | Windows XP (build 2600), version 5. 1 Service Pack 2 | Opera 8.00 build 7401 Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Re: Alpha icons
On Sunday, February 27, 2005, 10:20:44, Richard Wakeford wrote: I have changed a couple of icons in the new_icons.png file but they stay as with the original colours in the original file. I can't understand it. It's the only png file in my Alpha folder and my icons in TB! version 3 are totally different so it can't be using those so where are the icons stored if not in this file? I've rebooted the PC and still no change. Which program did you use to change the icons? You need an image editor that supports PNG with alpha channels. -- Jernej Simoncic http://deepthought.ena.si/ [The Bat! v3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha on Windows NT Clone 5.2.3790.] Nothing can be done in one trip. -- Cook's Second Law of Travel Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: html whitelist wish
At 11:03 [GMT-0500] on Friday February 25 (actual time - 12:03am on Saturday in Perth, Western Australia), you wrote: A 1600x1200 picture reduced to 320x240 for viewing in a newsletter will look worse than the same picture taken at 640x480. Why waste the resources for an inferior product? If you have even a vague clue as to what you are doing, that statement is utterly false. -- cheers, mic There are painters who transform the sun to a yellow spot, but there are others who with the help of their art and their intelligence, transform a yellow spot into the sun. Pablo Picasso Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: html whitelist wish
Hello Greg, If development would not have ceased I would still be using VA today. :-) Because of the VA situation I moved on to TB for email, and use Agent for newsgroups. Why don't you use TB for newsgroups also? Works beautifully with MyGate. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: html whitelist wish
2/27/2005 6:19 AM Hi Leif, On 2/26/2005 Leif Gregory wrote: LG Happy Tony? Now you drug me into this! :-) Very well said! -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4 Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: html whitelist wish
2/27/2005 6:29 AM Hi Mic, On 2/27/2005 Mic Cullen wrote: MC If you have even a vague clue as to what you are doing, that statement is MC utterly false. My monitor only shows 96 dpi, what is yours? -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4 Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Alpha icons
Hello Jernej, On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] JS Which program did you use to change the icons? You need an image editor that JS supports PNG with alpha channels. Paint Shop Pro version 9. So do I need to save the whole file as an alpha channel? I just did the alterations straight into the png file as it shows, didn't select anything. -- Regards, Richard | The Bat! 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha SpamPal | Windows XP (build 2600), version 5. 1 Service Pack 2 | Opera 8.00 build 7401 Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: html whitelist wish
Hi Paul, On 27/2/2005 6:21 AM, you wrote: Very well said! Yeah. A good technical argument rather than all the other philosophical and hyped ones that I had seen until then. OTOH, one wonders, why implement anything at all then if we look at it in that depressingly unsurmountable all-or-none fashion. The original request was about retrieving images on a per message basis with the ability to configure such behaviour. Now it has gone into TB! being able to render and display everything a browser can, now, and for the future. I certainly consider both different. I don't care much for image retrieval personally. I'd sure wish IMAP to work first before such things are implemented. If it is, and is configurable, I'd be indifferent. I doubt it will be though. At least not for the foreseeable future. Most clients with very good HTML mail displaying capabilities either use the IE rendering engine or are part of an established browser, i.e., Operamail or Mozilla/ThunderBird. -- _ _ _ __ __ __ _| | (_)___ | \/ | / _` | | | / -_) | |\/| | \__,_|_|_|_\___|_|_| |_| |___| -=-=- Some nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: html whitelist wish
Hello NetVicious! On Sunday, February 27, 2005, 2:55 AM, you wrote: That would be fine with me. Even just a checkbox in the prefs to enable/disable the button's fuctionality and include/remove it from the toolbar would be fine with me. In fact, it's a very good idea to make it inactive completely unless someone wants to make it active. What about a messagebox with a confirmation as TB does now when trying to open an attachment? The quoted text to which you are replying was in reply to my comment that I wished (felt I needed) to be able to have the functionality completely disabled. If a warning box is all that I get, the situation would be an unwieldy one for me. And for those who have been most clear (at least two or three people posting to this thread) that the current work-around to graphic image display is too slow for them, the warning box would function as an extra slow-down. If, and when, this capability is implemented by the developers, I hope it will be disabled by Default and the User will first have to enable it before the capability (button or menu or shortcut or whatever) becomes active. This is so that I can protect myself from inadvertently putting a graphics image into a message-text bodyin the View Folder window. I am just one old-lady user. But I think perhaps there are others with my needs using TB!, or out there as potential users, and it would be so simple to respect this need of mine by having the capability OFF by Default. I have, in the past, actually been distracted and clicked Send, on the warning box that comes before a message is Sent, without intending to. At a computer screen, even the best of us make mistakes, I think. I'd like for the individual user to be able to choose, in regard to this particular functionality, the amount of risk for mistakes that the user is comfortable with. Note, however, that I do not object to others accepting more risk than I do. :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha is now available
Hello Charlene, On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 11:25:45 +0100GMT Charlene Ferrara wrote: CF When TB is sent to tray and is running idle, rightclicking on it CF selecting close will not close TB. Nothing happens. I have to maximize CF it again and close it the regular way. confirmed here. Another thing I miss is the conter in the comlumns for total and unread messages (see png) -- Regards, Feli The Bat! 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 BayesIt! 0.8.0 Releaseattachment: column.png Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: html whitelist wish
2/27/2005 8:20 AM Hi Mary, On 2/27/2005 Mary Bull wrote: MB This is so that I can protect myself from inadvertently putting a MB graphics image into a message-text bodyin the View Folder window. MB I am just one old-lady user. But I think perhaps there are others with MB my needs using TB!, or out there as potential users, and it would be MB so simple to respect this need of mine by having the capability OFF by MB Default. MB I have, in the past, actually been distracted and clicked Send, on the MB warning box that comes before a message is Sent, without intending to. MB At a computer screen, even the best of us make mistakes, I think. I'd MB like for the individual user to be able to choose, in regard to this MB particular functionality, the amount of risk for mistakes that the MB user is comfortable with. MB Note, however, that I do not object to others accepting more risk than MB I do. :) Agreed. Gee-whiz functionality at the expense of privacy and security is too high of a price for me to pay. I do object to others taking risks if doing so has an impact on others. Irresponsibility begins as soon we allow our actions to negatively affect someone else. -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4 Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Alpha icons
On Sunday, February 27, 2005, 12:34:03, Richard Wakeford wrote: Paint Shop Pro version 9. So do I need to save the whole file as an alpha channel? I just did the alterations straight into the png file as it shows, didn't select anything. PSP9 should work. Just make sure that you don't flatten the image, and if you use PNG Optimizer, you have to use 16.7 Million Colors, Alpha Channel Transparency and Existing image transparency settings. -- Jernej Simoncic http://deepthought.ena.si/ [The Bat! v3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha on Windows NT Clone 5.2.3790.] Build a system that even a fool can use, and only a fool will want to use it. -- Shaw's Principle Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha is now available
Hi Feli Wilcke, Sunday, February 27, 2005 you let us know -at least in parts- : Another thing I miss is the conter in the comlumns for total and unread messages Will not show up here either, the counter does not work. -- regards Charlene mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :star: Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha is now available
Het was op zondag 27 februari 2005 om 14:33 uur dat jij iets schreef over '3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha is now available' : Hallo Charlene, Another thing I miss is the conter in the comlumns for total and unread messages CF Will not show up here either, the counter does not work. that's odd that works just fine here. -- groeten, Cees Life without danger is a waste of oxygen. __ The Bat! 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha [A12F0392] running on Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0508-3, 25-02-2005 Tested on: 27-2-2005 14:38:42 avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2004 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: html whitelist wish
Hello Paul! On Sunday, February 27, 2005, 7:26 AM, you wrote: MB Note, however, that I do not object to others accepting more risk than MB I do. :) Agreed. Gee-whiz functionality at the expense of privacy and security is too high of a price for me to pay. I do object to others taking risks if doing so has an impact on others. Irresponsibility begins as soon we allow our actions to negatively affect someone else. Thank you for expanding my thought. I agree completely with your last sentence. This all comes down to looking out for our neighbors as well as ourselves. Here, as in so many parts of our lives, it's a judgment call on the priorities. Sometimes compromises are necessary, when not negatively affecting one neighbor will result in negatively affecting another. I like the words of the old Hypocratic oath: First, do no harm. One can at least strive for that. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
OT Re: Alpha icons
Hello Jernej, On Sunday, February 27, 2005 you wrote: if you use PNG Optimizer, you have to use 16.7 Million Colors, Alpha Channel Transparency and Existing image transparency settings. Are you saying that PSP still doesn't support alpha channel with palettes? I thought they were supposed to enhance png support! -- / Krzysztof Trybowski pgp 0xE0F7733B /--/ To get my pgp key, put / / www.trybik.jest.okey.pl GG 1458144 /--/ send_key in subject. /_ :Krzysztof_Trybowski: Using The Bat! 3.0.2.10 under Windows XP 5.1 build 2600. Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha is now available
Hello Feli, On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] FW Another thing I miss is the conter in the comlumns for total and FW unread messages (see png) Gosh, I have always had those columns in the account tree (where they work with me). -- Regards, Richard | The Bat! 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha SpamPal | Windows XP (build 2600), version 5. 1 Service Pack 2 | Opera 8.00 build 7401 Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[3]: 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha is now available
Het was op zondag 27 februari 2005 om 14:38 uur dat jij iets schreef over '3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha is now available' : Hallo Cees, Another thing I miss is the conter in the comlumns for total and unread messages CF Will not show up here either, the counter does not work. C that's odd that works just fine here. Oops... reacted to fast... I thought you meant in the accountcolumn, where they still work as a matter of fact. But indeed, after adding those two columns and marking a message unread it appears that that function does NOT work. -- groeten, Cees PUNNY BOOK = Neither a Borrower: Nora Lender Bee. The Bat! 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha [A12F0392] running on Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0508-3, 25-02-2005 Tested on: 27-2-2005 14:46:56 avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2004 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Alpha icons
Hello Jernej, On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] JS PSP9 should work. Just make sure that you don't flatten the image, and if JS you use PNG Optimizer, you have to use 16.7 Million Colors, Alpha Channel JS Transparency and Existing image transparency settings. No luck still. All it's done is boosted the size of the file from 120 to 156kb! -- Regards, Richard | The Bat! 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha SpamPal | Windows XP (build 2600), version 5. 1 Service Pack 2 | Opera 8.00 build 7401 Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: html whitelist wish
Hi Allie, On Sun, 27 Feb 2005, at 07:07:44 [GMT -0500] (which was 5:07 AM where I live) you wrote: A Yeah. A good technical argument rather than all the other A philosophical and hyped ones that I had seen until then. Well, philosophically, I don't want it either! grin A OTOH, one wonders, why implement anything at all then if we look at A it in that depressingly unsurmountable all-or-none fashion. If it's an e-mail function, then go for it. I'd just much rather have RITLabs sink 200 hours into IMAP rather than HTML functionality. IMAP belongs to e-mail, HTML doesn't. A The original request was about retrieving images on a per message A basis with the ability to configure such behaviour. Now it has gone A into TB! being able to render and display everything a browser can, A now, and for the future. It would have gone there anyway. First getting images displayed, and then getting HTML e-mail to display the way the author intended it (we've already seen those requests), and then we can't just have half the equation, people will want the ability to generate HTML e-mail (they already can to a certain degree), and if we do that, not only does TB have to be able to display HTML according to standards, but it's got to be able to write it too. Look at all the WYSIWYG editors that already exist that are solely for the purpose of HTML editing. If they can't get it right, how is RITLabs going to get it right without dedicating ungodly hours to it. Hours which could be spent on IMAP, plugin API etc. I remember saying ages ago, that I would like to see the plugin API really fleshed out, and then people could write an HTML plugin if they wanted. A Most clients with very good HTML mail displaying capabilities A either use the IE rendering engine or are part of an established A browser, i.e., Operamail or Mozilla/ThunderBird. Exactly Tie in to the crippled and immensely vulnerable IE which to RITLabs everlasting credit, did *not* do. Or write their own. They wrote their own, and that means if they are going to do it right in TB, then there will be a BatWeb browser product on the market soon enough. I don't need another browser. There's a whole boatload of them to choose from. What I want is a really good e-mail program that isn't interested in trying to be the alpha and the omega! -- Leif -:- TB Lists Moderator -:- PGP Key ID 0x7CD4926F Tagline of the day: Latest survey shows that 3 out of 4 people make up 75% of the world's population. Roguemoticons - http://www.PCWize.com/thebat PCWSmileys- http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/pcwsmileys.php Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: html whitelist wish
In reply to mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : A Hi Paul, A On 27/2/2005 6:21 AM, you wrote: A At least not for the foreseeable future. Most clients with very A good HTML mail displaying capabilities either use the IE rendering A engine or are part of an established browser, i.e., Operamail or A Mozilla/ThunderBird. It's really easy then. They could provide us users a way to choose between the HTML internal engine or the IE engine. That way, everyone would be happy! :) -- Best regards, Goncalo Farias Robot: Your plastic pal who's fun to be with. Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[3]: html whitelist wish
In reply to mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : PVN Agreed. Gee-whiz functionality at the expense of privacy and PVN security is too high of a price for me to pay. I do object to PVN others taking risks if doing so has an impact on others. PVN Irresponsibility begins as soon we allow our actions to PVN negatively affect someone else. If it's something you can switch on or off then you're in no more danger than being alive. I'm sure you manage to get a better justification! -- Best regards, Goncalo Farias WordPerfect and MegaMail, what a pair!! Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: html whitelist wish
Hello Tony, On Saturday, February 26, 2005 you wrote: 3 months time, The Bat has the best html engine of any email client available... Still no working flawless IMAP ability but great comic book features. Hands up all those who are going to be jumping for joy and hands up all those are *still* going to be using Thunderbird? You know this is not gonna happen. Why don't you just try to look at the case in a sensible way, and not exaggerate it in all possible directions? Nobody wrote they wanted RIT to drop everything (especially IMAP, but you could place anything instead) and focus on a browser engine better than Gecko (would take more than 3 months anyway). This topic is not about HTML support, but about external images downloading. Except it is linked with HTML it has nothing to it. It's more about http. External images downloading is NOT about comic book. With as much right I could say, that your IMAP support is just for you to play after work, and as such doesn't require much attention nor priority. Technical tools are just that -- tools. You can use them in different ways. The same applies to external images downloading -- it can be useful in everyday _*WORK*_. And Ritlabs said many times, that different people work on different areas. I wouldn't be afraid that everything else would get dumped. Of course *some* resources would have to be spent on the feature discussed, but I believe that only to a sensible extent, and it would benefit many users. After all there *is* a reason why this discussion comes back again and again. Regards, -- / Krzysztof Trybowski pgp 0xE0F7733B /--/ To get my pgp key, put / / www.trybik.jest.okey.pl GG 1458144 /--/ send_key in subject. /_ :Krzysztof_Trybowski: Using The Bat! 3.0.2.10 under Windows XP 5.1 build 2600. Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: html whitelist wish
In reply to mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : LG If it's an e-mail function, then go for it. I'd just much rather LG have RITLabs sink 200 hours into IMAP rather than HTML LG functionality. IMAP belongs to e-mail, HTML doesn't. It's part of the new era. RITLabs surely won't straighten up the usage of email, they must go along with the major players and the major players do have GOOD HTML support. LG is RITLabs going to get it right without dedicating ungodly hours LG to it. Hours which could be spent on IMAP, plugin API etc. I LG remember saying ages ago, that I would like to see the plugin API LG really fleshed out, and then people could write an HTML plugin if LG they wanted. If I had the same attitude that a few other showed up I would say something like I don't use IMAP, I don't care if it has bugs or not I rather have HTML rendered correctly but I find both things important. -- Best regards, Goncalo Farias Mental tangibility has been achieved...go figure. Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: html whitelist wish
Hi Greg, On Sat, 26 Feb 2005, at 22:09:57 [GMT -0600] (which was 9:09 PM where I live) you wrote: GS This thread is really about opinions. Everyone has one. :-) Hey, you forgot to type out the rest of that saying! grin GS This is a very important point which should not be lost in the GS debate about opinions. I don't think anyone has. RITLabs thrust was and still is (see how they market it on their page) a secure product, immune to viruses, protected, a safe alternative etc. If RITLabs decided to abandon that marketing platform, then they need to get rid of those types of bullets and throw out ones like, a secure product, well, only if you know what you're doing and you don't enable any features that we send to your disabled etc.. XHTML, WCAG, CSS, Section 508 are moving targets. GS Isn't most of the software / IT market a moving target? :-) To a certain extent. How long has RFC-822/2822 been around. How much has it changed? The answer... *forever* (in computer years), and almost none. XHTML just published 1.0 a cpl years back, then XHTML 1.1 really recently, and now 2.0 is nearly done. I've been in IT for a long time, and that's one of the first standards I've seen evolve that quickly. WCAG and Section 508 are heavily driven by XHTML and they also have a heavy influence in where XHTML is going. Those in turn are going to be driving how the HTML standard, currently v4, will evolve. It's a huge nasty bowl of spaghetti. RITLabs, IMHO, needs to stick with the meaty bowl of Ravioli. GS Don't you really want your email client to be just text based? GS What about the users who want HTML in their email? Absolutely! I'm not trying to be difficult or facetious. If I want to view an HTML message, I double click it to view it in a browser. There's no ambiguity about a link pretending to be from my bank but actually going to Mr. Hackers neighborhood. GS Being a user of technology both professionally and personally for GS many years the ONLY one sure guarantee in the technology market is GS CHANGE. Businesses in this market need to CHANGE with the market. Not all change is good. Is TB to have a September that never ends? -- Leif -:- TB Lists Moderator -:- PGP Key ID 0x7CD4926F Tagline of the day: A .GIF is worth a thousand .TXT's. Roguemoticons - http://www.PCWize.com/thebat PCWSmileys- http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/pcwsmileys.php Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: html whitelist wish
Hi MAU, On Sun, 27 Feb 2005, at 12:14:17 [GMT +0100] (which was 4:14 AM where I live) you wrote: M Why don't you use TB for newsgroups also? Works beautifully with M MyGate. And see! That's a plugin. I'd completely bow out of the HTML resistance movement if HTML support was done completely by plugin. -- Leif -:- TB Lists Moderator -:- PGP Key ID 0x7CD4926F Tagline of the day: A 1200 baud brain attached to a 28800 baud mouth. Roguemoticons - http://www.PCWize.com/thebat PCWSmileys- http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/pcwsmileys.php Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: html whitelist wish
Hi Goncalo, On Sun, 27 Feb 2005, at 14:07:07 [GMT +] (which was 7:07 AM where I live) you wrote: GF If it's something you can switch on or off then you're in no more GF danger than being alive. GF I'm sure you manage to get a better justification! Let's expound a bit on this though Goncalo. Why exactly is it that IE is so vulnerable in so many ways? It's because IE, like many other Microsoft products, tries to do it all. Well, that's only part of the reason, they try to integrate so much cross application functionality is a better answer. They did this because users wanted this and users wanted that. They did it because Microsoft wanted a bigger market share. They wanted to dominate. They wanted to be able to do it all. But they screwed up. Users began to realize that functionality at the cost of security wasn't acceptable. Microsoft won the browser war, but it was a short lived win. What good are the spoils of war if they really are spoiled and tainted. Now granted. IE made their primary mistake because everything was on by default. But my point is that Microsoft gave the users what they wanted without ever trying to tell them why it was risky. The internet used to be a wonderful place, now you have to check, double-check and triple check just about everything you do. Popups were a great idea at first. A nice way to display information without disrupting the flow of the visitors browsing of their main site. Now we have a whole box of bandaids to prevent popups. What I'm getting at is that the populace in general needs people like Tony and Paul and myself to try and keep the sanity. Most people on this list are more tech savvy than the rest of the population, and for every user we have here on the list, we have 20 that aren't. People who won't know why enabling the download of images can be a Bad Thing (tm), or why clicking the Go to our website to validate your bank account links almost never take you to your bank, or why Nigerian scams are just that, scams. People are *still* getting sucked into those scams. How long have those been around? Forever. But they still get people. People talk about applications nannying them. I agree, for us, the people in the know, hate it. I hate it. But you tell me a viable way to protect those not in the know and I'll go along with it. A whitelist? It isn't going to work... How do I know this? I can't tell you how many software firewalls I've installed for people. Literally, close to a hundred would be my guess. I do it for every friend/family member/co-worker that I can. I even try to explain when you should and shouldn't allow something. It doesn't work. They eventually just start clicking yes to anything and everything, and they're no more protected than they were before I installed the firewall. Take PCWSmileys and Rogues. We (9val and I) worked out a system to have trusted servers with which TB could automatically download images from. The same thing we're talking about doing for HTML images. Yet, we decided to drop it because there was no way to make it foolproof. Even if we were able to convince users to only include the PCWize server, you all had to rely on my security knowledge and expertise to ensure my server wasn't compromised. That's a lot of faith to put in me. I'm good at it, but I'm not perfect. Somebody, someday will crack my server. It hasn't happened in the three years it's been on-line, but it will one day. I don't hope for it, but I expect it. People in general do need to be protected from themselves. It makes it rough on those of us in the know, but if it means my mom and dad are protected I'm willing to sacrifice a bit of so-called functionality to do that. -- Leif -:- TB Lists Moderator -:- PGP Key ID 0x7CD4926F Tagline of the day: When you go into court you are putting yourself in the hands of 12 people that weren't smart enough to get out of jury duty. Roguemoticons - http://www.PCWize.com/thebat PCWSmileys- http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/pcwsmileys.php Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: OT Re: Alpha icons
On Sunday, February 27, 2005, 14:41:29, Krzysztof Trybowski wrote: Are you saying that PSP still doesn't support alpha channel with palettes? Can you show me one program that can create palletized PNGs with alpha transparency? The only one I know of is an old DOS compile of PNMTOPNG from 1996. -- Jernej Simoncic http://deepthought.ena.si/ [The Bat! v3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha on Windows NT Clone 5.2.3790.] Every employee begins at his level of competence. -- Peter's Hidden Postulate According to Godin Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Alpha icons
On Sunday, February 27, 2005, 14:56:48, Richard Wakeford wrote: No luck still. All it's done is boosted the size of the file from 120 to 156kb! How does the image appear when you're editing it - the background should be checkered, and the size of checkers should not change when you zoom in/out. -- Jernej Simoncic http://deepthought.ena.si/ [The Bat! v3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha on Windows NT Clone 5.2.3790.] Bad regulation begets worse regulation. -- Mobil's Maxim Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Download new Beta?
where to download this new beta? Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha ? i cann't found on new beta pages. Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: html whitelist wish
In reply to mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : LG Hi Goncalo, LG On Sun, 27 Feb 2005, at 14:07:07 [GMT +] (which was 7:07 AM where LG I live) you wrote: GF I'm sure you manage to get a better justification! LG Let's expound a bit on this though Goncalo. Why exactly is it that LG IE is so vulnerable in so many ways? It's because IE, like many LG other Microsoft products, tries to do it all. Well, that's only LG part of the reason, they try to integrate so much cross LG application functionality is a better answer. They did this LG because users wanted this and users wanted that. They did it LG because Microsoft wanted a bigger market share. They wanted to LG dominate. They wanted to be able to do it all. I disagree. It's vulnerable because MS was unable to anticipate the misuse of the technology they were providing. Now they made it more secure (not perfectly secure) without cutting down the functionality that people had. LG But they screwed up. Users began to realize that functionality at LG the cost of security wasn't acceptable. Microsoft won the browser LG war, but it was a short lived win. What good are the spoils of war LG if they really are spoiled and tainted. Power comes at a cost. It's not acceptable to have limits because some people just don't know any better. The car makers don't put speed limits in their cars because they might be bought by some lame driver that may kill himself. LG Now granted. IE made their primary mistake because everything was LG on by default. But my point is that Microsoft gave the users LG what they wanted without ever trying to tell them why it was LG risky. The internet used to be a wonderful place, now you have to LG check, double-check and triple check just about everything you do. LG Popups were a great idea at first. A nice way to display LG information without disrupting the flow of the visitors browsing LG of their main site. Now we have a whole box of bandaids to prevent LG popups. MS didn't realize how their technology could be misused... LG What I'm getting at is that the populace in general needs people LG like Tony and Paul and myself to try and keep the sanity. Most Plase... LG people on this list are more tech savvy than the rest of the LG population, and for every user we have here on the list, we have LG 20 that aren't. People who won't know why enabling the download of LG images can be a Bad Thing (tm), or why clicking the Go to our LG website to validate your bank account links almost never take you LG to your bank, or why Nigerian scams are just that, scams. People LG are *still* getting sucked into those scams. How long have those LG been around? Forever. But they still get people. Make an easy mode for 'rookie' users and a Power mode for power users. LG People talk about applications nannying them. I agree, for us, the LG people in the know, hate it. I hate it. But you tell me a viable LG way to protect those not in the know and I'll go along with it. You don't really convince me that you hate that. In fact, you seem to like it alot. I like to be able to do everything and then choose what I don't want to do just because I want to not because I can't. LG People in general do need to be protected from themselves. It LG makes it rough on those of us in the know, but if it means my mom LG and dad are protected I'm willing to sacrifice a bit of so-called LG functionality to do that. I disagree. That sort of speak is good for the big brother watching you. -- Best regards, Goncalo Farias Editing is a rewording activity. Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Download new Beta?
Good evening, Sunday, February 27, 2005, 6:48:29 PM, you wrote: muo where to download this new beta? Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha ? i muo cann't found on new beta pages. Stefan write to this list at Mon, 21 Feb 2005 20:37:33 +0200 == Hello All, 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha :-) is now available http://www.ritlabs.com/download/the_bat/beta/tbb30901.rar Basically, it's a raw skeleton of the upcoming Beta - there will be a single file available as soon as the Alpha stage is finished (i.e. the *.def and *.dll files will be moved into the EXE). Please make sure that all files from the archive are located in the start up directory. It's an Alpha, so please be aware of the numerous bugs and omissions - please feel free to mention them here or at the BT. -- Cheers! Stefan == -- Best regards, Vadim Yavorsky mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED], NoBat.RU site master. Welcome to http://www.nobat.ru - Russian unofficial The Bat! Support Pages - The best information resource. Use The Bat! (Serial¹ E03D3498) ver:3.0.2.8 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Alpha icons
Hello Jernej, On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] JS How does the image appear when you're editing it - the background should be JS checkered, and the size of checkers should not change when you zoom in/out. Yup, exactly that. What I can't understand is, if I have changed the icons to different colours and saved the file, how on earth are the original colours being displayed when they shouldn't be there any more. Strange. -- Regards, Richard | The Bat! 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha SpamPal | Windows XP (build 2600), version 5. 1 Service Pack 2 | Opera 8.00 build 7401 Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[3]: html whitelist wish
Hello Goncalo, Sunday, February 27, 2005, 10:51:37 AM, you wrote: In reply to mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : I disagree. It's vulnerable because MS was unable to anticipate the misuse of the technology they were providing. Now they made it more secure (not perfectly secure) without cutting down the functionality that people had. snipped Power comes at a cost. It's not acceptable to have limits because some people just don't know any better. The car makers don't put speed limits in their cars because they might be bought by some lame driver that may kill himself. LG Now granted. IE made their primary mistake because everything was LG on by default. But my point is that Microsoft gave the users LG what they wanted without ever trying to tell them why it was LG risky. The internet used to be a wonderful place, now you have to LG check, double-check and triple check just about everything you do. LG Popups were a great idea at first. A nice way to display LG information without disrupting the flow of the visitors browsing LG of their main site. Now we have a whole box of bandaids to prevent LG popups. MS didn't realize how their technology could be misused... snipped Firstly, speed limits in cars is a weak argument. People know their cars can go faster, they don't often know where security exploits are in any operating system. And, your retort about Microsoft not knowing how their technology could be misused is also fairly weak. When MS tied the browser to the operating system (Windows), it was a reaction to their marketing goals of tying the personal computer to the web--strictly networking. The reasons why their technology can be misused is that the OS and IE are joined to such a degree that MS, in a court deposition, said they couldn't be separated without losing the OS integrity. This, then is the rub. But then you could say if the browsers gain popularity, then they too will be exploited. Yes, if they do it's because of the holes in the OS... poor coding to rush a product to market. That Bill came out a year or so back and said he is making security a priority begs the question, why now? --why not years ago? And to bring this back to on-topic... designing a HTML interface to TB! means making certain the doors between the client and os are locked securely and then give the key to the user. Dennis -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. Dennis Hays / HaysDesign http://www.haysdesign.com Sent on Sunday, February 27, 2005 at 11:26 AM USA Eastern -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. ICQ: 200045507 / AIM: edennishays yahoo: dennishays / Jabber: dennishays Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: html whitelist wish
Hi Goncalo, On Sun, 27 Feb 2005, at 15:51:37 [GMT +] (which was 8:51 AM where I live) you wrote: GF I disagree. It's vulnerable because MS was unable to anticipate GF the misuse of the technology they were providing. Now they made it GF more secure (not perfectly secure) without cutting down the GF functionality that people had. Sure they did. MS hosts a page listing hundreds of applications they broke by trying to fix their mistakes. GF Power comes at a cost. It's not acceptable to have limits because GF some people just don't know any better. The car makers don't put GF speed limits in their cars because they might be bought by some GF lame driver that may kill himself. You've never heard of governors? They're on nearly every US military vehicle. And many high performance vehicles have them in case you loan your car to your kid. You put a key in, and enable the governor. So let's look at it for people who are incapable of being a safe driver. They lose their license, they are put in jail, they are required to have interlock devices installed in their vehicles (drunk driving). ISPs already shut down spammer accounts or accounts of people doing things illegally. Are you ready to have your ISP shut down your account because you enabled some functionality without fully understanding the ramifications? There's already legislation in the works to make users financially responsible for damages caused by their lack of security awareness. There are even companies that have successfully sued other companies that caused damages to their networks due to poor security. If you don't mind shelling out the big buck for something that could have simply been mitigated by not opening the door in the first place, then go for Outlook. Friends love friends who send them viruses and spam. GF MS didn't realize how their technology could be misused... And RITLabs is going to be able to foresee the future any better than they? MS has boatloads of money, resources and analysts. Is RITLabs going to be able to afford that and do a better job? LG What I'm getting at is that the populace in general needs people LG like Tony and Paul and myself to try and keep the sanity. Most GF Plase... Please yourself. Join some groups on XHTML right now. You'll see many, many people like Tony, Paul, and myself trying to get W3C to stop the madness. Unfortunately in this day and age, silence implies consent. If people like us don't show objective reasoning as to why something isn't a good idea, then it's all going to become garbage. GF Make an easy mode for 'rookie' users and a Power mode for power GF users. Yeah right. The first time a user has to turn on advanced mode just so they can see images in HTML messages, they'll have it enabled and then god knows what else they'll turn on. GF You don't really convince me that you hate that. In fact, you seem GF to like it alot. What because I don't want HTML in my e-mail. If that's all you're basing it off of, then you're right. I don't hate that TB doesn't support HTML fully. GF I like to be able to do everything and then choose what I don't GF want to do just because I want to not because I can't. For tech savvy users this is fine. I worked for AOL for a while in DSL tech support. I'm not going to say all AOL users are boneheads, but as a techy, AOL people scare the living daylights out of me! GF I disagree. That sort of speak is good for the big brother GF watching you. Yeah, preventing images in HTML mail means RITLabs is watching you. Makes a lot of sense. You win.. and I quote.. Plase... -- Leif -:- TB Lists Moderator -:- PGP Key ID 0x7CD4926F Tagline of the day: A bottle in front of me's better than a frontal lobotomy Roguemoticons - http://www.PCWize.com/thebat PCWSmileys- http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/pcwsmileys.php Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: html whitelist wish
Hello Leif, And see! That's a plugin. I'd completely bow out of the HTML resistance movement if HTML support was done completely by plugin. MyGate is not even a plugin, it's just a gateway. And as for HTML, I will not enter into the discussion. If I receive an HTML e-mail and I want to see it, I can see it with a double click just like for any attachment. So, no big problem for me. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[4]: html whitelist wish
In reply to mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : DH Firstly, speed limits in cars is a weak argument. People know their DH cars can go faster, they don't often know where security exploits are DH in any operating system. And, your retort about Microsoft not knowing DH how their technology could be misused is also fairly weak. When MS When it comes to drive in the limits, speed is not the only factor the car maker has to take care of. I really don't care about other users, I care about my needs and if I can accomplish them with the software I'm using. I need that some bugs/feature to be smooth in TB!'s HTML support and that's why I push it. -- Best regards, Goncalo Farias Contents may settle during shipment. Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: html whitelist wish
Hi Goncalo, On Sun, 27 Feb 2005, at 14:15:19 [GMT +] (which was 7:15 AM where I live) you wrote: GF It's part of the new era. RITLabs surely won't straighten up the GF usage of email, they must go along with the major players and the GF major players do have GOOD HTML support. So if your friend jumps off a bridge, you're going to do it too? Remember Opera? They refused to improperly render HTML pages due to sloppy markup. They caught flack over it for sure, but they stuck to their guns. They're still very popular. The reason other players have good HTML support is that these other player also write browsers. They implement their browser into their e-mail product. Do I have anything against TB writing their own browser... Nope. Would I rather they spend the time making TB a better and more solid product for *e-mail*. Definitely. GF If I had the same attitude that a few other showed up I would say GF something like I don't use IMAP, I don't care if it has bugs or GF not I rather have HTML rendered correctly but I find both things GF important. IMAP is part of e-mail. HTML isn't. Poor argument. -- Leif -:- TB Lists Moderator -:- PGP Key ID 0x7CD4926F Tagline of the day: A BIG ROCKmeA HARD PLACE Roguemoticons - http://www.PCWize.com/thebat PCWSmileys- http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/pcwsmileys.php Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: html whitelist wish
Hi Goncalo, On Sun, 27 Feb 2005, at 17:01:39 [GMT +] (which was 10:01 AM where I live) you wrote: GF I really don't care about other users, I care about my needs and GF if I can accomplish them with the software I'm using. Exactly the poor attitude Tony, Paul and I are trying to curtail. The completely selfish, me first attitude. Let the rest of the world suffer as long as I get what I want. Cookidence... -- Leif -:- TB Lists Moderator -:- PGP Key ID 0x7CD4926F Tagline of the day: deja moo, the feeling that you've heard this bull before. Roguemoticons - http://www.PCWize.com/thebat PCWSmileys- http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/pcwsmileys.php Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: html whitelist wish
Hello MAU, On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 12:14:17 +0100 GMT(2/27/2005, 5:14 AM -0600 GMT), per mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] MAU wrote: Because of the VA situation I moved on to TB for email, and use Agent for newsgroups. Why don't you use TB for newsgroups also? Works beautifully with MyGate. Probably not a good reason, but I owned Agent before I knew of MyGate and I got used to it. -- Best Regards, Greg Strong Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: html whitelist wish
Hello Leif, On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 10:03:03 -0700 GMT(2/27/2005, 11:03 AM -0600 GMT), per mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Leif Gregory wrote: Cookidence... -- Leif -:- TB Lists Moderator -:- PGP Key ID 0x7CD4926F Tagline of the day: deja moo, the feeling that you've heard this bull before. ROFLMAO!!! -- Best Regards, Greg Strong Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hi Thomas, On Sun, 27 Feb 2005, at 10:52:59 [GMT +0700] (which was 8:52 PM where I live) you wrote: TF I thinnk most have left, because we don't even get replies to TF http://www.ritlabs.com/bt/bug_view_advanced_page.php?bug_id=0001762 It's sad too. Just in the time that I wrote my tutorial for validation I've gotten quite a bit of e-mail about it. This isn't something people just want, it's something people really need. Just like we need wheelchair accessible ramps to businesses, we need applications people with disabilities can use. TF You are saying that it will be technically difficult to implement TF correct HTML rendering, and I don't doubt it. Only in the sense that it will be a huge investment of time in which RITLabs will have to recode the HTML rendering and eventually generation engines to keep up with out of control, rapidly evolving standards (not to mention even conflicting ones). TF However, Tony says it;'s wrong from a philosophical / political TF POV to introduce correct renedering to TB. I see a difference TF here. There is a difference, but I also happen to agree with Tony. He'd just beat that horse to death, so I decided on a different tact. TF That's OK, it's your choice. TB lacking this and having to open TF the browser is certainly bad for marketing, though. You mentioned TF above that Ritlabs is a for-profit organisation. So is Opera, and they're doing well. They adhere to much stricter standards when rendering HTML which means there are a lot of webpages out there that don't render as the author intended it. -- Leif -:- TB Lists Moderator -:- PGP Key ID 0x7CD4926F Tagline of the day: He's not stupid; he's possessed by a retarded ghost. Roguemoticons - http://www.PCWize.com/thebat PCWSmileys- http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/pcwsmileys.php Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello Leif, A reminder of what Leif Gregory on TBBETA typed on: 27 February 2005 at 18:13:24 GMT +0100 LG Exactly the poor attitude Tony, Paul and I are trying to curtail Also the reason I bowed out of the discussion. I want a bug free Bat before they make any new additions, they want html right now and Sod everyone else. The way I see it there will be this version I'm using now without it and a new version with it. If I choose I want to continue using this version without it will RITLABS continue to support this version and fix all the existing bugs? I don't think so! All the current bugs will be carried over to the new version and those that don't want total html support will be left with a half finished, bug ridden non supported old version. -- Tony. Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 :gentoo: www.gentoo.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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In reply to mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : GF the misuse of the technology they were providing. Now they made GF it more secure (not perfectly secure) without cutting down the GF functionality that people had. LG Sure they did. MS hosts a page listing hundreds of applications LG they broke by trying to fix their mistakes. Can you post the link? I'm curious. Even though, they broke third-party apps not their own! :) GF some people just don't know any better. The car makers don't put GF speed limits in their cars because they might be bought by some GF lame driver that may kill himself. LG You've never heard of governors? They're on nearly every US LG military vehicle. And many high performance vehicles have them in LG case you loan your car to your kid. You put a key in, and enable LG the governor. Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't this example what we're requesting and that you prefer not to have because most people might not know how to enable the 'governor'? You prefer to not have the technology rather than have it there but disabled by default. I find that attitude wrong. LG So let's look at it for people who are incapable of being a safe LG driver. They lose their license, they are put in jail, they are LG required to have interlock devices installed in their vehicles LG (drunk driving). ISPs already shut down spammer accounts or LG accounts of people doing things illegally. Are you ready to have LG your ISP shut down your account because you enabled some LG functionality without fully understanding the ramifications? I don't qualify for that example! :) LG something that could have simply been mitigated by not opening the LG door in the first place, then go for Outlook. Friends love friends LG who send them viruses and spam. Yeah, RitLabs must be tremendously happy with you sending their customers to other software vendors just because you believe that your vision and needs are better then everybody else. GF Make an easy mode for 'rookie' users and a Power mode for power GF users. LG Yeah right. The first time a user has to turn on advanced mode LG just so they can see images in HTML messages, they'll have it LG enabled and then god knows what else they'll turn on. And so what? Are you the cop of email world? Do you dictate the rules? Warn them about the dangers of turning that option ON. GF I like to be able to do everything and then choose what I don't GF want to do just because I want to not because I can't. LG For tech savvy users this is fine. I worked for AOL for a while in LG DSL tech support. I'm not going to say all AOL users are LG boneheads, but as a techy, AOL people scare the living daylights LG out of me! Cars aren't sold just for good drivers, big maniacs can also buy them. GF I disagree. That sort of speak is good for the big brother GF watching you. LG Yeah, preventing images in HTML mail means RITLabs is watching you. LG Makes a lot of sense. You win.. and I quote.. Plase... Your vision and how you're defending it is, not Ritlabs. They didn't post any position on this. -- Best regards, Goncalo Farias If anything -can't- go wrong, it will Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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In reply to mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : GF It's part of the new era. RITLabs surely won't straighten up the GF usage of email, they must go along with the major players and the GF major players do have GOOD HTML support. LG So if your friend jumps off a bridge, you're going to do it too? No comments. It doesn't apply. LG Remember Opera? They refused to improperly render HTML pages due LG to sloppy markup. They caught flack over it for sure, but they LG stuck to their guns. They're still very popular. Yeah, right. With less then 2% of market share the last time I saw some statistics their must be very popular. LG The reason other players have good HTML support is that these LG other player also write browsers. They implement their browser LG into their e-mail product. Do I have anything against TB writing LG their own browser... Nope. Would I rather they spend the time LG making TB a better and more solid product for *e-mail*. LG Definitely. Why not integrate, as an option, the IE engine into the TB? You don't want to use it, fine, stick with internal render engine. People who don't mind do as they want to. Who are you anyway to impose your view and your way to others? Why can't the product have alternatives just because you don't like them? I don't like IMAP. Did you saw me requesting to cut it off TB? GF If I had the same attitude that a few other showed up I would say GF something like I don't use IMAP, I don't care if it has bugs or GF not I rather have HTML rendered correctly but I find both things GF important. LG IMAP is part of e-mail. HTML isn't. Poor argument. It's not? Then I must hallucinating because I receive loads of HTML emails. It may not be official but it SURELY is part of email current usage. -- Best regards, Goncalo Farias He who fart in church, sit in pew Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Goncalo Farias wrote: It's really easy then. They could provide us users a way to choose between the HTML internal engine or the IE engine. That way, everyone would be happy! :) Err, Wouldn't using the IE Engine be a big security hole? Gecko (From Firefox/Mozilla) would be a better idea. -- Dave Calvarese Member of E-mailaholics International PGP Key Available at http://home.comcast.net/~dhcalva/DavidCalvarese-DH.asc signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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In reply to mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : GF I really don't care about other users, I care about my needs and GF if I can accomplish them with the software I'm using. LG Exactly the poor attitude Tony, Paul and I are trying to curtail. LG The completely selfish, me first attitude. Let the rest of the LG world suffer as long as I get what I want. LG Cookidence... Isn't it exactly the same attitude you're exhibiting? Did anyone mandate you to define what is allowable or not in email usage? What feature can or cannot be included? What alternatives to current features can be implemented or not? -- Best regards, Goncalo Farias Hi, I'm Barney... BLAM! Now you're extinct. Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Tony Boom On Sunday, February 27, 2005, at 1:04:51 PM You wrote: TB Also the reason I bowed out of the discussion. I want a bug free Bat TB before they make any new additions, they want html right now and Sod TB everyone else. Didnt you say earlier in the threat that this feature has been requested for around 4 years? - -- The Final Cut Thebat: 3.0.2.10 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1rc2 (MingW32) iD8DBQFCIhBfmZdOAsVmU04RAgmMAJ9y8PUQnn3feBsr4F0rNxnfp9vyYwCdG+qG St3dbdW1t2+uNOiWZQ8VTO0= =n0u/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Het was op zondag 27 februari 2005 om 18:19 uur dat jij iets schreef over 'html whitelist wish' : Hallo Greg, Cookidence... Tagline of the day: deja moo, the feeling that you've heard this bull before. GS ROFLMAO!!! Yeah! I stole that one immediately for my own taglinelist hehehe... it's great! -- groeten, Cees I don't care who you are, Fatso. Get the reindeer off my roof! The Bat! 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha [A12F0392] running on Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0508-3, 25-02-2005 Tested on: 27-2-2005 19:26:57 avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2004 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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In reply to mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : DC Goncalo Farias wrote: It's really easy then. They could provide us users a way to choose between the HTML internal engine or the IE engine. That way, everyone would be happy! :) DC Err, Wouldn't using the IE Engine be a big security hole? Gecko (From DC Firefox/Mozilla) would be a better idea. What ever. It was just and example. They could use Webster Pro control to cut the development (HTML 3.2 is fully supported, including Frames) or something else... I don't care about their technical approach. -- Best regards, Goncalo Farias ** ERROR ** Unable to insert witty tagline. Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hi Goncalo, On Sun, 27 Feb 2005, at 18:16:42 [GMT +] (which was 11:16 AM where I live) you wrote: GF Isn't it exactly the same attitude you're exhibiting? Did anyone GF mandate you to define what is allowable or not in email usage? GF What feature can or cannot be included? What alternatives to GF current features can be implemented or not? You're confusing someone who actually cares about TB being a truly good product, and someone who wants TB to be another lemming application who follows bad practices just because everyone else is doing it. Do me a favor. If you aren't going to be part of the solution, at least don't be part of the problem. -- Leif -:- TB Lists Moderator -:- PGP Key ID 0x7CD4926F Tagline of the day: A .GIF is worth a thousand .TXT's. Roguemoticons - http://www.PCWize.com/thebat PCWSmileys- http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/pcwsmileys.php Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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In reply to mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : TB Also the reason I bowed out of the discussion. I want a bug free TB Bat before they make any new additions, they want html right now TB and Sod everyone else. TFC Didnt you say earlier in the threat that this feature has been TFC requested for around 4 years? And I said that I wanted TB bugfree first of all. They tend to misreading some parts... -- Best regards, Goncalo Farias Talk is cheap, because supply exceeds demand Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Het was op zondag 27 februari 2005 om 18:34 uur dat jij iets schreef over 'html whitelist wish' : Hallo Greg, GS Ok now you have me thinking. IIRC didn't you publish a quite lengthy GS installation for the MyGate plugin or was it MailTraq? GS If you used both which is better? as always I'm doing several things at the same time... ahdh... sorry, can't help it. :-) Created a real IMAP4 useraccount in TheBat! ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) for testing purposes... lot of new options to me. I'll figure them out. Secondly... I'm using MailTraq as a mailserver (among other things: for IMAP, I got influenced by Allie grin ) and am struggling to get that newsserver bit to work. Which is harder than I thought. And the HELP function helps but just a teensy weensy bit ;-)) I'll let you know when it works. -- groeten, Cees A gun gives you the body, not the bird. The Bat! 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha [A12F0392] running on Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0508-3, 25-02-2005 Tested on: 27-2-2005 19:30:23 avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2004 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hi David, On Sun, 27 Feb 2005, at 13:15:41 [GMT -0500] (which was 11:15 AM where I live) you wrote: DC Err, Wouldn't using the IE Engine be a big security hole? Gecko DC (From Firefox/Mozilla) would be a better idea. Immensely accurate observation. -- Leif -:- TB Lists Moderator -:- PGP Key ID 0x7CD4926F Tagline of the day: A BIG ROCKmeA HARD PLACE Roguemoticons - http://www.PCWize.com/thebat PCWSmileys- http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/pcwsmileys.php Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hi Goncalo, On Sun, 27 Feb 2005, at 18:12:40 [GMT +] (which was 11:12 AM where I live) you wrote: GF No comments. It doesn't apply. Lemming analogy. If others do it, it must be ok. Perfectly applicable. GF Yeah, right. With less then 2% of market share the last time I saw GF some statistics their must be very popular. Yeah, Mozilla based browsers are sucking up some serious market share. GF Why not integrate, as an option, the IE engine into the TB? You GF don't want to use it, fine, stick with internal render engine. GF People who don't mind do as they want to. That is positively the absolute worst idea you've yet proposed. You want to tie TB in with IEs browser? RITLabs would be better suited just putting a bullet into their own head. Tie in a nice secure e-mail program to the world's most notable security sieve! GF Who are you anyway to impose your view and your way to others? Why GF can't the product have alternatives just because you don't like GF them? I don't like IMAP. Did you saw me requesting to cut it off GF TB? Just like you. I get to express my opinion and hope RITLabs agrees. If you feel at all any way imposed upon and believe my opinion holds any more weight than yours, then you're sadly mistaken. GF It's not? Then I must hallucinating because I receive loads of GF HTML emails. More lemmings? GF It may not be official but it SURELY is part of email current usage. Yes, and a fat lot of good it's done us. More spam, more expolits, more non-techy users having their e-mail blow up in their face and dragging all their friends down with them by kindly sharing their special HTML e-mails just because they're in their addressbooks. -- Leif -:- TB Lists Moderator -:- PGP Key ID 0x7CD4926F Tagline of the day: Ok, I pulled the pin. Now what? Where are you going? Roguemoticons - http://www.PCWize.com/thebat PCWSmileys- http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/pcwsmileys.php Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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In reply to mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : GF Isn't it exactly the same attitude you're exhibiting? Did anyone GF mandate you to define what is allowable or not in email usage? GF What feature can or cannot be included? What alternatives to GF current features can be implemented or not? LG You're confusing someone who actually cares about TB being a truly LG good product, and someone who wants TB to be another lemming You're wrong. I care about TB but I want it better you seem to want it your way. I paid for every paid version since I'm registered. I don't mind paying I mind with bugs. LG application who follows bad practices just because everyone else LG is doing it. Unfortunately TB isn't the only email client and it must be compatible with everybody. What good is an email client if I'm unable to exchange (or read) emails with (from) everybody else? LG Do me a favor. If you aren't going to be part of the solution, at LG least don't be part of the problem. That really applies to you too, don't you think? I have troubles with HTML emails that don't seem to affect you. So, do me a favor, be part of the solution or else... -- Best regards, Goncalo Farias Happiness is your favorite program moving to Windows. Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello Goncalo, A reminder of what Goncalo Farias on TBBETA typed on: 27 February 2005 at 19:48:59 GMT +0100 GF So, do me a favor, be part of the solution or else... Oh dear, oh dear oh dear. Don't ya just love it when they get violent because they're losing an argument :) -- Tony. Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 :gentoo: www.gentoo.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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In reply to mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : GF Yeah, right. With less then 2% of market share the last time I GF saw some statistics their must be very popular. LG Yeah, Mozilla based browsers are sucking up some serious market LG share. Mozilla is not related to Opera, the example given by you. LG That is positively the absolute worst idea you've yet proposed. LG You want to tie TB in with IEs browser? RITLabs would be better LG suited just putting a bullet into their own head. Tie in a nice LG secure e-mail program to the world's most notable security sieve! Whatever, I said IE like I could have said Gecko or something else. But I think you're being a little paranoid with the security stuff. They are much better. GF It's not? Then I must hallucinating because I receive loads of GF HTML emails. LG More lemmings? Shouldn't you moderate yourself? GF It may not be official but it SURELY is part of email current GF usage. LG Yes, and a fat lot of good it's done us. More spam, more expolits, LG more non-techy users having their e-mail blow up in their face and LG dragging all their friends down with them by kindly sharing their LG special HTML e-mails just because they're in their addressbooks. Like I said, I real problems with HTML messages (mostly replying) but you're not pointing out solutions. Probably you don't care with that. You seem to be caring with anonymous people security. TB has too much options for normal non-techie users. -- Best regards, Goncalo Farias He's mostly dead, Jim. Get Miracle Max. Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello Greg, MyGate is not even a plugin, it's just a gateway. And as for HTML, I will not enter into the discussion. Ok now you have me thinking. IIRC didn't you publish a quite lengthy installation for the MyGate plugin or was it MailTraq? If you used both which is better? That was for MailTraq, much before MyGate was even developed. MyGate is much more simple to install and configure and it just runs beautifully. I switched from MailTraq to MyGate as soon as I discovered it. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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In reply to mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : TB Hello Goncalo, TB A reminder of what Goncalo Farias on TBBETA typed on: TB 27 February 2005 at 19:48:59 GMT +0100 GF So, do me a favor, be part of the solution or else... TB Oh dear, oh dear oh dear. Don't ya just love it when they get violent TB because they're losing an argument :) What? You're from the supporting team? :) I said exactly what he said. If he wants to be part of the solution fine, if not, please step aside... -- Best regards, Goncalo Farias Many would be cowards if they had courage enough. Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello Goncalo, A reminder of what Goncalo Farias on TBBETA typed on: 27 February 2005 at 20:05:59 GMT +0100 GF I said exactly what he said. If he wants to be part of the solution GF fine, if not, please step aside... You don't know who he is do you? -- Tony. Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 :gentoo: www.gentoo.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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In reply to mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : TB Hello Goncalo, TB A reminder of what Goncalo Farias on TBBETA typed on: TB 27 February 2005 at 20:05:59 GMT +0100 GF I said exactly what he said. If he wants to be part of the solution GF fine, if not, please step aside... TB You don't know who he is do you? Sure I do. He is the moderator. Did I said anything offensive? I didn't call lemming to anyone, did I? -- Best regards, Goncalo Farias You can't soar with dragons if you work with gargoyles. Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello Goncalo, A reminder of what Goncalo Farias on TBBETA typed on: 27 February 2005 at 20:18:06 GMT +0100 GF Sure I do. He is the moderator. Did I said anything offensive? I GF didn't call lemming to anyone, did I? It's not the moderator part that you need to worry about. Why do you think NO ONE else is arguing with him least of all me? -- Tony. Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 :gentoo: www.gentoo.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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In reply to mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : GF Sure I do. He is the moderator. Did I said anything offensive? I GF didn't call lemming to anyone, did I? TB It's not the moderator part that you need to worry about. Why do TB you think NO ONE else is arguing with him least of all me? I'll bet you're going to tell me... -- Best regards, Goncalo Farias I KNEW I shouldn't have loaned my Sword+3 to the thief... Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello Goncalo, A reminder of what Goncalo Farias on TBBETA typed on: 27 February 2005 at 20:29:19 GMT +0100 GF I'll bet you're going to tell me... You bet wrong. I'm not risking that, that's for sure. Now I think it best we change the subject. Winters nearly over, Australian Grand Prix this Sunday. -- Tony. Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 :gentoo: www.gentoo.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello MAU, On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 20:03:05 +0100 GMT(2/27/2005, 1:03 PM -0600 GMT), per mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] MAU wrote: That was for MailTraq, much before MyGate was even developed. MyGate is much more simple to install and configure and it just runs beautifully. I switched from MailTraq to MyGate as soon as I discovered it. Since I like TB's editor so MUCH more than Agent and the fact that Agent still hasn't provided multiple server capability, I will probably take the time in the future to install MyGate. URL? http://en.barin.com.ua/soft/mygate/ Correct? Thanks! -- Best Regards, Greg Strong Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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In reply to mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : TB You bet wrong. I'm not risking that, that's for sure. Now I think it best TB we change the subject. I don't know and it really doesn't matter much, after all we're just expressing our points of view. -- Best regards, Goncalo Farias 73% of statistics are made up on the spot. Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello Goncalo, A reminder of what Goncalo Farias on TBBETA typed on: 27 February 2005 at 20:40:38 GMT +0100 GF I don't know and it really doesn't matter much, after all we're just GF expressing our points of view. Just so long as it doesn't differ from his too much you should be OK now drop it will you *please*! -- Tony. Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 :gentoo: www.gentoo.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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In reply to mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : GF I don't know and it really doesn't matter much, after all we're just GF expressing our points of view. TB Just so long as it doesn't differ from his too much you should be OK now TB drop it will you *please*! ahahahahaha... -- Best regards, Goncalo Farias We believe men should fight their own battles. Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello Goncalo, A reminder of what Goncalo Farias on TBBETA typed on: 27 February 2005 at 20:53:00 GMT +0100 GF ahahahahaha... You laugh all you want but I have a wife and family whom I love very much and I'm certainly not going to put them at risk for the sake of a html argument, I'd rather go back to using Outlook Express. -- Tony. Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 :gentoo: www.gentoo.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Tony Boom wrote: Hello Leif, Also the reason I bowed out of the discussion. I want a bug free Bat before they make any new additions, they want html right now and Sod everyone else. I don't think any of us said it had to be 'right now' And as I've said before, I agree that bug fixes should come first. -- Dave Calvarese Member of E-mailaholics International PGP Key Available at http://home.comcast.net/~dhcalva/DavidCalvarese-DH.asc signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Het was op zondag 27 februari 2005 om 21:02 uur dat jij iets schreef over 'html whitelist wish' : Hallo David, Also the reason I bowed out of the discussion. I want a bug free Bat before they make any new additions, they want html right now and Sod everyone else. DC I don't think any of us said it had to be 'right now' And as I've said DC before, I agree that bug fixes should come first. yes please and I won't complain if they forgot all about html. grin But seriously: I keep running into things... like, I just changed one account to IMAP. My choice, but... I wanted to change the folder-order. That USED to be possible with the combination of ALT+left mouse button, and then drag but now: nothing happens! Just like so many other keycombo's don't work no more. Which I find quite annoying to be honest. Any thoughts on this matter? -- regards, Cees BACHELOR: A man who never makes the same mistake once. __ The Bat! 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha [A12F0392] running on Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0508-4, 27-02-2005 Tested on: 27-2-2005 21:06:16 avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2004 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Leif Gregory wrote: On Sun, 27 Feb 2005, at 13:15:41 [GMT -0500] (which was 11:15 AM where I live) you wrote: DC Err, Wouldn't using the IE Engine be a big security hole? Gecko DC (From Firefox/Mozilla) would be a better idea. Immensely accurate observation. None of us that want better HTML support and Remote Image support want it to be just slapped in. We expect RIT to do it in such a way that it isn't a security hole. Whether by limiting what tags are allowed, blocking Java/Javascript/ActiveX, or some other means. Or possibly, and preferably, all of the above. -- Dave Calvarese Member of E-mailaholics International PGP Key Available at http://home.comcast.net/~dhcalva/DavidCalvarese-DH.asc signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello David, A reminder of what David Calvarese on TBBETA typed on: 27 February 2005 at 21:02:53 GMT +0100 DC I don't think any of us said it had to be 'right now' And as I've said DC before, I agree that bug fixes should come first. I know, and you are right, html should be available for those that want it. But can you see my point? Those of us that don't want it will be left with an unsupported version full of bugs. Fix all the bugs first, then implement html and at least the people who don't want the update will have at least a fully working client, including IMAP of course. -- Tony. Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 :gentoo: www.gentoo.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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In reply to mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : TB Hello Goncalo, TB A reminder of what Goncalo Farias on TBBETA typed on: TB 27 February 2005 at 20:53:00 GMT +0100 GF ahahahahaha... TB You laugh all you want but I have a wife and family whom I love very much TB and I'm certainly not going to put them at risk for the sake of a html TB argument, I'd rather go back to using Outlook Express. LoL! -- Best regards, Goncalo Farias Old soldiers never die, they just fade away.. Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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In reply to mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : DC Tony Boom wrote: Hello Leif, Also the reason I bowed out of the discussion. I want a bug free Bat before they make any new additions, they want html right now and Sod everyone else. DC I don't think any of us said it had to be 'right now' And as I've said DC before, I agree that bug fixes should come first. I said it too. :) -- Best regards, Goncalo Farias Windows: Just say NO!!! Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Cees wrote: But seriously: I keep running into things... like, I just changed one account to IMAP. My choice, but... I wanted to change the folder-order. That USED to be possible with the combination of ALT+left mouse button, and then drag but now: nothing happens! I'm using Tbird at the moment because of the IMAP stuff... Though I suppose I'll reinstall TB and give it's IMAP another shot... Got something I want to try with GnuPG with it anyway. Just like so many other keycombo's don't work no more. Which I find quite annoying to be honest. Any thoughts on this matter? Not sure, might be because you're using the Alpha build... Speaking of keys not working, my Ctrl-F isn't working in Firefox at the moment either... . -- Dave Calvarese Member of E-mailaholics International PGP Key Available at http://home.comcast.net/~dhcalva/DavidCalvarese-DH.asc signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello Cees, A reminder of what Cees on TBBETA typed on: 27 February 2005 at 21:08:00 GMT +0100 C yes please and I won't complain if they forgot all about html. To be fair Cees html is used a hell of a lot and all differences aside it should be available to those that want it. I would like to try IMAP like I said before so I'd like to at least see that fixed before they commit too many resources on html. That way those that don't want it can stick with this version. Those that do want it can start the whole process of pest control all over again. -- Tony. Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 :gentoo: www.gentoo.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Tony Boom wrote: Hello David, A reminder of what David Calvarese on TBBETA typed on: 27 February 2005 at 21:02:53 GMT +0100 DC I don't think any of us said it had to be 'right now' And as I've said DC before, I agree that bug fixes should come first. I know, and you are right, html should be available for those that want it. But can you see my point? Those of us that don't want it will be left with an unsupported version full of bugs. Fix all the bugs first, then implement html and at least the people who don't want the update will have at least a fully working client, including IMAP of course. Oh, I agree 100%. I certainly want better IMAP support and for some fixes to be made to the GnuPG (not PGP) support. Those have to happen before I can switch back, regardless of HTML support... If they do HTML first, I'll still be using Tbird till they get the IMAP/GnuPG stuff done. :) -- Dave Calvarese Member of E-mailaholics International PGP Key Available at http://home.comcast.net/~dhcalva/DavidCalvarese-DH.asc signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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In reply to mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : DC I don't think any of us said it had to be 'right now' And as I've DC said before, I agree that bug fixes should come first. TB I know, and you are right, html should be available for those that TB want it. But can you see my point? Those of us that don't want it TB will be left with an unsupported version full of bugs. I can't understand why. Isn't the check box to enable/disable enough? TB Fix all the bugs first, then implement html and at least the TB people who don't want the update will have at least a fully TB working client, including IMAP of course. ? -- Best regards, Goncalo Farias Je suis Marxiste, tendance Groucho! Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello Goncalo, A reminder of what Goncalo Farias on TBBETA typed on: 27 February 2005 at 21:18:50 GMT +0100 GF Old soldiers never die, They just go on and on and on about the war :) -- Tony. Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 :gentoo: www.gentoo.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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In reply to mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : GF Old soldiers never die, TB They just go on and on and on about the war :) Hmmm... I better start signing my emails! :) -- Best regards, Goncalo Farias Blessed our young they will inherit our national debt. Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello Goncalo, A reminder of what Goncalo Farias on TBBETA typed on: 27 February 2005 at 21:21:08 GMT +0100 GF I can't understand why. Isn't the check box to enable/disable enough? In an ideal world yes, but you tick the box for one message and forget to untick it, what happens then? Achilles and all his mates come charging in. How about a button on the header pane that works on a per message basis. It only appears if the message is html and requires images to be downloaded. You click it, the pretty pictures appear and then it defaults to off for the next message? -- Tony. Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 :gentoo: www.gentoo.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Tony Boom On Sunday, February 27, 2005, at 3:01:31 PM You wrote: TB You laugh all you want but I have a wife and family whom I love very much TB and I'm certainly not going to put them at risk for the sake of a html TB argument, I'd rather go back to using Outlook Express. hahahaha I hope you are not serious! - -- The Final Cut Thebat: 3.0.2.10 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1rc2 (MingW32) iD8DBQFCIjEFmZdOAsVmU04RAkOUAJ9Q4YcvwAx3FQfO3QplD1/EyF6R2ACbBEaj o6cqMs+EFAe4wN5g5xbP5uY= =2RJj -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello David, A reminder of what David Calvarese on TBBETA typed on: 27 February 2005 at 21:20:46 GMT +0100 DC Oh, I agree 100%. I certainly want better IMAP support and for some DC fixes to be made to the GnuPG (not PGP) support Not too long ago my host implemented IMAP. I've never used it before but would like to see what all the fuss is about. Trouble is if I try it with a half working IMAP client I'm afraid it'll put me off of it for life. Well you know me and PGP, we have never got along. I'm using version 6.5.8 that Marck gave me years ago, it's working and I'm not changing it, even though I don't use it much. I do use GnuPG but that's under it's native environment, Linux and it seems to work OK there. -- Tony. Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 :gentoo: www.gentoo.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello The! On Sunday, February 27, 2005, 2:43 PM, you wrote: hahahaha I hope you are not serious! Oh, but he is! You just haven't been around long enough to know Leif the way Tony does!! -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello The, A reminder of what The Final Cut on TBBETA typed on: 27 February 2005 at 21:44:40 GMT +0100 TFC hahahaha I hope you are not serious! Do you see me laughing? Can you see his rouge image? That little boy he's just about to throw off the cliff? I'm not risking that for the sake of html! -- Tony. Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 :gentoo: www.gentoo.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello Mary, A reminder of what Mary Bull on TBBETA typed on: 27 February 2005 at 21:51:08 GMT +0100 MB Oh, but he is! You just haven't been around long enough to know Leif MB the way Tony does!! Best stay out of it Mary, you don't want to put yourself at risk. -- Tony. Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 :gentoo: www.gentoo.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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In reply to mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : TB Hello The, TB A reminder of what The Final Cut on TBBETA typed on: TB 27 February 2005 at 21:44:40 GMT +0100 TFC hahahaha I hope you are not serious! TB Do you see me laughing? TB Can you see his rouge image? That little boy he's just about to throw off TB the cliff? I'm not risking that for the sake of html! ui ui ui estou a tremer cheio de medo! :) -- Best regards, Goncalo Farias I got a kick for a dog beggin' for love. Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello Mary, A reminder of what Mary Bull on TBBETA typed on: 27 February 2005 at 21:51:08 GMT +0100 MB Oh, but he is! You just haven't been around long enough to know Leif MB the way Tony does!! Tell you what Mary, Lief has been awfully quiet this past hour, hope he's not arranging anything. Now I really do think we should stop, there seems to be an overwhelming smell of trout in the air :) -- Tony. Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 :gentoo: www.gentoo.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello Goncalo, A reminder of what Goncalo Farias on TBBETA typed on: 27 February 2005 at 22:06:20 GMT +0100 GF ui ui ui estou a tremer cheio de medo! Sorry, don't speak Klingon. -- Tony. Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 :gentoo: www.gentoo.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello Tony! On Sunday, February 27, 2005, 3:05 PM, you wrote: Tell you what Mary, Lief has been awfully quiet this past hour, hope he's not arranging anything. Tony, The Name! shivering Quick, fix it! Before he notices that you misspelled The Name!! Now I really do think we should stop, there seems to be an overwhelming smell of trout in the air :) The self-detonating kind, yes! and the sickening odor of Dead Horse--an evil companion rides with him! rushes to :toilet: -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Het was op zondag 27 februari 2005 om 22:13 uur dat jij iets schreef over 'html whitelist wish' : Hallo Tony, GF ui ui ui estou a tremer cheio de medo! TB Sorry, don't speak Klingon. whahahahahaa.. :-)) -- regards, Cees Coming soon: Windows for Nintendo! __ The Bat! 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha [A12F0392] running on Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0508-4, 27-02-2005 Tested on: 27-2-2005 22:17:52 avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2004 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello Mary, A reminder of what Mary Bull on TBBETA typed on: 27 February 2005 at 22:15:59 GMT +0100 MB and the sickening odor of Dead Horse I know, and all that hassle of having to put clean bed linen on. -- Tony. Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 :gentoo: www.gentoo.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello Mary, A reminder of what Mary Bull on TBBETA typed on: 27 February 2005 at 22:15:59 GMT +0100 MB rushes to :toilet: Can't stop :rofl2: -- Tony. Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 :gentoo: www.gentoo.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
