subject:"HELP\!"

Mod: Goodbye (was Re: How to kill open Email and help Mark Zuckerberg etc (was: Mod: HTML use (was: Delay when creating new message)))

2020-05-14 Thread Marck Pearlstone

On 14 May 2020 at 08:26 Lüko Willms wrote and made these points

... 

>> Please do not send HTML messages to the list except

>  with such messages, the open Netnews was kind of killed and the closed shop 
> Twitter established.

Quibbling  with  moderators  after  personally attacking long-standing
members  will  kind  of  kill off your welcome here Lüko and this list
becomes  a  closed  shop to you. To make it worse, you have once again
flouted  the  rule  being  pointed  out  in  what I would deem an open
rebellion.  I  am  telling  you  this  here  so that other readers can
understand what happens in the face of such behaviour.

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How to kill open Email and help Mark Zuckerberg etc (was: Mod: HTML use (was: Delay when creating new message))

2020-05-14 Thread Lüko Willms

Hello everybody,

on Dienstag, 12. Mai 2020 at 11:24  Marck Pearlstone  
wrote
re Mod: HTML use (was: Delay when creating new message)
  
> Please do not send HTML messages to the list except

 with such messages, the open Netnews was kind of killed and the closed shop 
Twitter established. 
 
 

Cheers,
Lüko Willms
Frankfurt am Main
Germany

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Re: Fwd: Re: The Bat! 6.7.9.1 - Dictionaries and Polish help (JFYI)

2017-09-21 Thread Desk Quality Office

Hello Maxim,

Thursday, September 21, 2017, 1:11:53 PM, you wrote:

>> For example, my dictionaries were also not working and renaming the
>> Hunspell.dll did not seem to work until I realized that it required
>> more than just adding a 32 to the name. The old name was hunspell.dll.
>> The new name is hunsp32.dll. The old name was hunspell64.dll. The new
>> name is hunsp64.dll. When I renamed my hunspell.dll, I neglected to
>> delete the "ell" from the file name. So  was not detected. Only after
>> sorting that out did my dictionary files kick in.

Thanks for this.

However, the fill in question is hunsp32.dll

When that file is in the directory, the following happens.

When you open the message editor (on the official release) select spell 
checker, select options, hunspell does not operate, it is greyed out.
When you open the message editor (current beta) the program locks up and crashes

Remove hunsp32.dll.  and everything works.

Jerry

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Fwd: Re: The Bat! 6.7.9.1 - Dictionaries and Polish help (JFYI)

2017-09-21 Thread Maxim Masiutin


Please see te messages dated Janduary 22, 2015.

Thursday, January 22, 2015, 7:01:18 AM, Rick wrote:
 
> On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 3:36 AM, Rick  wrote:

>> I have no dictionaries showing even though I copied them to the Dictionaries 
>> folder in the Mail folder. THere is no place to pick a language for me any 
>> more

> This beta was a bit frustrating because of all the hoops we had to
> jump through to make our dictionaries work. And, unfortunately, the
> instructions were less than clear.

> For example, my dictionaries were also not working and renaming the
> Hunspell.dll did not seem to work until I realized that it required
> more than just adding a 32 to the name. The old name was hunspell.dll.
> The new name is hunsp32.dll. The old name was hunspell64.dll. The new
> name is hunsp64.dll. When I renamed my hunspell.dll, I neglected to
> delete the "ell" from the file name. So  was not detected. Only after
> sorting that out did my dictionary files kick in.

> Anyway, after much confusion, I have finally gotten the spell-checking
> and dictionaries working for this beta release. Perhaps some of the
> problems that others are having are due to a similar failure to
> understand the sketchy but ultimately correct instructions that we
> have received for this beta.



 
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Re[2]: HELP!! can't get into my main TheBat.net (GMail) account: Account exceeded command or bandwidth limits. (Failure)

2012-11-29 Thread Stuart Pye

Hello Rick,

Wednesday, November 28, 2012, 1:58:40 PM, you wrote:

>>I'm fairly discouraged with today's events, but my hat's off to you, Rick, 
>>for helping me.
R> I'm glad that helped. I am in a LOT of Yahoo groups and run it
R> through a gmail account. If the account gets full it will just stop
R> sending and receiving mail - no warnings, no errors. The bright
R> side is that the mail piles up and if you get out there and tidy
R> up, the mail will start flowing and you PROBABLY didn't lose anything

I ended up going back to beta 5.3.2.3. IMAP speed is back, the Manage IMAP
Folders dialog box pops up quickly, so life is good.

There are some inconsistencies: several mails in various folders stay
marked as unread, and I can't move or delete them, either. This is
somewhat a pain, because I depend on the bolded mail counts showing in
the folder tree to check that I've read important mails from various
clients and topics.

Best regards,

Stuart

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Re[2]: HELP!! can't get into my main TheBat.net (GMail) account: Account exceeded command or bandwidth limits. (Failure)

2012-11-28 Thread Stuart Pye

Hello Rick,

Wednesday, November 28, 2012, 1:58:40 PM, you wrote:

>>I'm fairly discouraged with today's events, but my hat's off to you, Rick, 
>>for helping me.
R> I'm glad that helped. I am in a LOT of Yahoo groups and run it
R> through a gmail account. If the account gets full it will just stop
R> sending and receiving mail - no warnings, no errors. The bright
R> side is that the mail piles up and if you get out there and tidy
R> up, the mail will start flowing and you PROBABLY didn't lose anything

I never had more than 2GB of the 10GB limit in the account, so I'm not
sure what happened. I still have a lot of other issues with TB and
this main IMAP account, but I'll just slog on, or maybe give up IMAP
for a while and convert the Gmail back to POP3. Right now, I'm going
to roll back TB to last night's state, from backups, see where that
leads. This TB activity is eating up all my time, that's for sure.

Best regards,

Stuart

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Re: HELP!! can't get into my main TheBat.net (GMail) account: Account exceeded command or bandwidth limits. (Failure)

2012-11-28 Thread Rick

>I'm fairly discouraged with today's events, but my hat's off to you, Rick, for 
>helping me.
I'm glad that helped. I am in a LOT of Yahoo groups and run it through a gmail 
account. If the account gets full it will just stop sending and receiving mail 
- no warnings, no errors. The bright side is that the mail piles up and if you 
get out there and tidy up, the mail will start flowing and you PROBABLY didn't 
lose anything

-- 
Rick
"We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of 
life is when men are afraid of the light."
Plato

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Re[2]: HELP!! can't get into my main TheBat.net (GMail) account: Account exceeded command or bandwidth limits. (Failure)

2012-11-28 Thread Stuart Pye

Hello Rick,

Wednesday, November 28, 2012, 9:53:07 AM, you wrote:

>>Can anyone help me?
R> Go out to the site via the web interface and delete your sents and trash

There was no trash but I did delete some of the Sent mails. GMail
shows I'm using 1.8GB of 10GB space. Whatever,
now I _can_ get into the account using TB, but:

Mails now appear in the IMAP inbox, but they take 20-30 seconds to
view, and filtering seems to be broken.

The IMAP maintenance box doesn't show any subscribed folders in the
main account, but the other @thebat.net accounts show structure.


I'm fairly discouraged with today's events, but my hat's off to you, Rick,
for helping me.



Best regards,

Stuart

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Re: HELP!! can't get into my main TheBat.net (GMail) account: Account exceeded command or bandwidth limits. (Failure)

2012-11-28 Thread Rick

>Can anyone help me?
Go out to the site via the web interface and delete your sents and trash

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been caught, will we realize we can not eat money,
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HELP!! can't get into my main TheBat.net (GMail) account: Account exceeded command or bandwidth limits. (Failure)

2012-11-28 Thread Stuart Pye

Hello TBBETA,

About 3 hours ago I stopped receiving mail from my main IMAP TheBat.net
GMail account. The error from TB is:  Account exceeded command or bandwidth 
limits. (Failure)

I was running 5.3.2.12 beta, so I backed down to, in order, 5.3.2.11,
5.3.2.10, then to 5.2.2.0, but there is no difference, the same login
failure occurs. I can log into the main
account with a browser, and mail is still coming in. Also, I have 2
other thebat.net IMAP accounts, which are still working fine from any
version of TB that I've loaded.

Below are 2 sets of logs. The top set are from the account that has
failed, the lower set, separated by a string of equal marks
(==), shows one of the other thebat.net accounts I
have that is still working fine. Also, my main POP3 account is fine.
Can anyone help me? The account that has failed is my main business
account, so this is a major problem right now.

Thanks,

Stuart Pye



>11/28/2012, 08:52:58: IMAP  - Gimap ready for requests from 173.167.48.17 
>r42if23461693yhl.70
 11/28/2012, 08:52:58: IMAP  - Authenticating (user: "it...@thebat.net", 
method: "LOGIN")...
!11/28/2012, 08:52:58: IMAP  - Account exceeded command or bandwidth limits. 
(Failure)
 11/28/2012, 08:53:03: IMAP  - Connecting to IMAP server imap.gmail.com on port 
993
 11/28/2012, 08:53:04: IMAP  - Initiating TLS handshake
>11/28/2012, 08:53:04: IMAP  - Certificate S/N: 3B73268B68A5, 
>algorithm: RSA (1024 bits), issued from 9/12/2012 11:55:49 AM to 6/7/2013 
>7:43:27 PM, for 1 host(s): imap.gmail.com.
>11/28/2012, 08:53:04: IMAP  - Owner: US, California, Mountain View, Google 
>Inc, imap.gmail.com.
>11/28/2012, 08:53:04: IMAP  - Issuer: US, Google Inc, Google Internet 
>Authority.
>11/28/2012, 08:53:04: IMAP  - Root: US, Equifax, Equifax Secure Certificate 
>Authority
 11/28/2012, 08:53:04: IMAP  - TLS handshake complete
 11/28/2012, 08:53:04: IMAP  - Connected to IMAP server (imap.gmail.com)
>11/28/2012, 08:53:04: IMAP  - Gimap ready for requests from 173.167.48.17 
>b3if23438386yhf.134
 11/28/2012, 08:53:04: IMAP  - Authenticating (user: "it...@thebat.net", 
method: "LOGIN")...
!11/28/2012, 08:53:04: IMAP  - Account exceeded command or bandwidth limits. 
(Failure)
 11/28/2012, 08:53:09: IMAP  - Connecting to IMAP server imap.gmail.com on port 
993
 11/28/2012, 08:53:10: IMAP  - Initiating TLS handshake
>11/28/2012, 08:53:10: IMAP  - Certificate S/N: 3B73268B68A5, 
>algorithm: RSA (1024 bits), issued from 9/12/2012 11:55:49 AM to 6/7/2013 
>7:43:27 PM, for 1 host(s): imap.gmail.com.
>11/28/2012, 08:53:10: IMAP  - Owner: US, California, Mountain View, Google 
>Inc, imap.gmail.com.
>11/28/2012, 08:53:10: IMAP  - Issuer: US, Google Inc, Google Internet 
>Authority.
>11/28/2012, 08:53:10: IMAP  - Root: US, Equifax, Equifax Secure Certificate 
>Authority
 11/28/2012, 08:53:10: IMAP  - TLS handshake complete
 11/28/2012, 08:53:10: IMAP  - Connected to IMAP server (imap.gmail.com)
>11/28/2012, 08:53:10: IMAP  - Gimap ready for requests from 173.167.48.17 
>m21if23472238ani.2
 11/28/2012, 08:53:10: IMAP  - Authenticating (user: "it...@thebat.net", 
method: "LOGIN")...
!11/28/2012, 08:53:11: IMAP  - Account exceeded command or bandwidth limits. 
(Failure)
 11/28/2012, 08:53:16: IMAP  - Connecting to IMAP server imap.gmail.com on port 
993
 11/28/2012, 08:53:17: IMAP  - Initiating TLS handshake
>11/28/2012, 08:53:17: IMAP  - Certificate S/N: 3B73268B68A5, 
>algorithm: RSA (1024 bits), issued from 9/12/2012 11:55:49 AM to 6/7/2013 
>7:43:27 PM, for 1 host(s): imap.gmail.com.
>11/28/2012, 08:53:17: IMAP  - Owner: US, California, Mountain View, Google 
>Inc, imap.gmail.com.
>11/28/2012, 08:53:17: IMAP  - Issuer: US, Google Inc, Google Internet 
>Authority.
>11/28/2012, 08:53:17: IMAP  - Root: US, Equifax, Equifax Secure Certificate 
>Authority
 11/28/2012, 08:53:17: IMAP  - TLS handshake complete
 11/28/2012, 08:53:17: IMAP  - Connected to IMAP server (imap.gmail.com)
>11/28/2012, 08:53:17: IMAP  - Gimap ready for requests from 173.167.48.17 
>h15if23470540anc.22
 11/28/2012, 08:53:17: IMAP  - Authenticating (user: "it...@thebat.net", 
method: "LOGIN")...
!11/28/2012, 08:53:17: IMAP  - Account exceeded command or bandwidth limits. 
(Failure)
 11/28/2012, 08:53:23: IMAP  - Connecting to IMAP server imap.gmail.com on port 
993
 11/28/2012, 08:53:23: IMAP  - Initiating TLS handshake
>11/28/2012, 08:53:23: IMAP  - Certificate S/N: 3B73268B68A5, 
>algorithm: RSA (1024 bits), issued from 9/12/2012 11:55:49 AM to 6/7/2013 
>7:43:27 PM, for 1 host(s): imap.gmail.com.
>11/28/2012, 08:53:23: IMAP  - Owner: US, California, Mountain View, Google 
>Inc, imap.gmail.com.
>11/28/2012, 08:53:23: IMAP  - Issuer: US, Google Inc, Google Internet 
>Authority.
>11/28/2012, 08:53:23:

Re: Menu item Help/Feedback/Bug report (English) is faulty.

2012-10-24 Thread Rick

> I use Roboform
Same here :))

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Re: Menu item Help/Feedback/Bug report (English) is faulty.

2012-10-23 Thread Roger Phillips

Hello NetVicious,
Tuesday, October 23, 2012, 10:28:16 PM, among other things, you wrote:

>> I  am  not  complaining about it being in English, I am reporting that it is
>> not opening a page for bug reporting.

N> I understand now, sorry.
Not a problem :)

N> It  redirects  to the support page of Ritlabs Customer Center. And it 
N> needs user and password.

N> Time ago it redirected to a form for sending a message as you said.  It 
N> should be a better bussiness way of do the same. But I think as you as 
N> if  this  is  ok,  there  should  be only one link redirecting to the 
N> support page instead of two links to the same page.

Yes,  it would be more user friendly if it took the general user straight to
a reporting page.

If  Ritlabs want to keep the reports from general users separated from those
from  Beta  testers  then  the  report  form  could include a place for Beta
testers to give their tester password.

I'm  not  sure whether many testers would use the facility as I imagine most
of  us have some other method for quick access to the Mantis website.  I use
Roboform.

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Re: Menu item Help/Feedback/Bug report (English) is faulty.

2012-10-23 Thread NetVicious

lunes, 22 oct 2012 at 05:41, it seems you wrote:

> I  am  not  complaining about it being in English, I am reporting that it is
> not opening a page for bug reporting.

I understand now, sorry.

It  redirects  to the support page of Ritlabs Customer Center. And it 
needs user and password.

Time ago it redirected to a form for sending a message as you said. It 
should be a better bussiness way of do the same. But I think as you as 
if  this  is  ok,  there  should  be only one link redirecting to the 
support page instead of two links to the same page.

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Re: Menu item Help/Feedback/Bug report (English) is faulty.

2012-10-21 Thread Roger Phillips

Hello NetVicious,
Sunday, October 21, 2012, 10:29:58 PM, among other things, you wrote:

N> domingo, 21 oct 2012 at 08:39, it seems you wrote:

>> I  have  just noticed that the item Help/Feedback/Bug report (English) calls
>> the website item Help/Feedback/Information request (English)

>> It  would  be  very  convenient  for  us Beta testers if the Bug report item
>> actually  worked.   Is  there  any  chance  that  this 'Bug' could be
>> attended to soon?

N> I'm a The Bat! user from 1.4x version, and ALWAYS this feedback option
N> was in english.

I  am  not  complaining about it being in English, I am reporting that it is
not opening a page for bug reporting.

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Re: Menu item Help/Feedback/Bug report (English) is faulty.

2012-10-21 Thread NetVicious

domingo, 21 oct 2012 at 08:39, it seems you wrote:

> I  have  just noticed that the item Help/Feedback/Bug report (English) calls
> the website item Help/Feedback/Information request (English)

> It  would  be  very  convenient  for  us Beta testers if the Bug report item
> actually  worked.   Is  there  any  chance  that  this 'Bug' could be
> attended to soon?

I'm a The Bat! user from 1.4x version, and ALWAYS this feedback option
was in english.

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Re: Menu item Help/Feedback/Bug report (English) is faulty.

2012-10-20 Thread Ivan Pozdeev


> It  would  be  very  convenient  for  us Beta testers if the Bug report item
> actually  worked.   Is  there  any  chance  that  this 'Bug' could be
> attended to soon?

We report a lot more issues than regular users and need to be extra
cautious to avoid duplicates. So if this is fixed, it should lead to
the main page of the tracker.

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Menu item Help/Feedback/Bug report (English) is faulty.

2012-10-20 Thread Roger Phillips

Hi Maxim,
 
I  have  just noticed that the item Help/Feedback/Bug report (English) calls
the website item Help/Feedback/Information request (English)

It  would  be  very  convenient  for  us Beta testers if the Bug report item
actually  worked.   Is  there  any  chance  that  this 'Bug' could be
attended to soon?

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Re: SOT - need your help pls

2011-12-05 Thread NetVicious

domingo, 4 dic 2011 at 18:39, it seems you wrote:

> Dear all,

> A friend running Outlook as his eMail client having a large number of
> folders with 100-erts of eMails in the respective folders. Some of
> them have pictures some not. BTW; his Outlook file has a volume of
> over 2 GB.
> Now he like to "export" some of those eMails or Folders to an external
> drive but retain the ability to look at those at any given moment.

> That is not so easy in Outlook.

> As I do not know Outlook so well I like to ask your help and
> suggestions how this can be done. I tried to export One folder and
> then Import it again - that produced a bad result.
> FYI: long time ago I tried to convince him to use TB! but to no avail.
> I still try to convince him but need more time and thus a intermed.
> solution with Outlook.

> Any suggestions? Thank you.

If  you  want  to  export some mails from Outlook the easy way it's to
drag and drop they to a folder.

If  you  want to import them into TB! you could use the import wizard 
for EML files.

For import they to other Outlook you could use also the drag and drop 
way (folder to outlook).

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SOT - need your help pls

2011-12-04 Thread Eddie

Dear all,

A friend running Outlook as his eMail client having a large number of
folders with 100-erts of eMails in the respective folders. Some of
them have pictures some not. BTW; his Outlook file has a volume of
over 2 GB.
Now he like to "export" some of those eMails or Folders to an external
drive but retain the ability to look at those at any given moment.

That is not so easy in Outlook.

As I do not know Outlook so well I like to ask your help and
suggestions how this can be done. I tried to export One folder and
then Import it again - that produced a bad result.
FYI: long time ago I tried to convince him to use TB! but to no avail.
I still try to convince him but need more time and thus a intermed.
solution with Outlook.

Any suggestions? Thank you.


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TB! 5.X.X Help File

2011-04-25 Thread Arjan de Groot

Opened a new entry in Altiris Software Virtualization Solution,
installed the latest publicly available Beta version of TB! (5.0.8;
don't tell me it's a Release version!), started TB! & checked if the
included key was correct (it was). Then I opened "Help Topics"" .

What does it say? "What's new in version 3".

Me thinks the Help file is in need of an update!

(Anyway, the Welcome Message displayed just fine.)


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Re: HELP to get my System running again

2009-11-09 Thread Jens Franik

Gunivortus Goos schrieb:

>> I guess my two main accounts could be damaged - only a guess.

> Hmm... you can test that out
> As Max lately advised as the new MSI files were posted here
> First uninstall the Bat, then install that MSI.
> If you still can't access your accounts, the damage may be there indeed.

I will try to set up the Accounts new, but that takes some time.

> Can you export your messages in TB?

Yes, i can do anything except (as far as i know) sending Mails from 2
Accounts.

> If you can, after a blank install and creating your accounts, you might be 
> able
> to import those messages again.

Thats what i did with Icedove/Thunderbird.

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Re: HELP to get my System running again

2009-11-09 Thread Gunivortus Goos

Hi Jens,

> I guess my two main accounts could be damaged - only a guess.

Hmm... you can test that out
As Max lately advised as the new MSI files were posted here
First uninstall the Bat, then install that MSI.
If you still can't access your accounts, the damage may be there indeed.

Can you export your messages in TB?

If you can, after a blank install and creating your accounts, you might be able
to import those messages again.

Success!

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Re: HELP to get my System running again

2009-11-09 Thread Jens Franik

Marek Mikus schrieb:

>>> What can i do to get it running again?

> there is nothing in ex_log about problem with sending, if You do not send
> additional informations, I do not think, anybody can help you more.

I guess the Problem occured, while the System switched off due to power
loss - maybe the Message Base or Index is damaged - could be, but how to
test this?

> what about account protocol log and exceptions log?

Nothing than the first Error with Memory Leaks and now regardless what
ich so, if i send Mails, it freezes and stops responding imediately.

> do You have antispam and antivirus plugins disabled?

No, i did not, but i will test now took some longer time, to much
work yesterday...

The 2 Plugins in State "Error" disabled.
Answered a Mail from Maxim, The Bat! took a very rare Account familie@
but it hand not up and i could write the Mail.

Switching to my Main Account jens_@ resulted in Hangup again.

---

Absolutly empty thebat_exeptions.log - No Errors.

I guess my two main accounts could be damaged - only a guess.

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Re: HELP to get my System running again

2009-11-08 Thread Marek Mikus

Hello all,
Sunday, November 8, 2009, Jens Franik wrote:

>> What can i do to get it running again?

> It seems, like there is no help or possibility for me to use The Bat!
> again. Sad but true.

there is nothing in ex_log about problem with sending, if You do not send
additional informations, I do not think, anybody can help you more.

what about account protocol log and exceptions log?

do You have antispam and antivirus plugins disabled?

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Re: HELP to get my System running again

2009-11-08 Thread Jens Franik

Jens Franik schrieb:

> Hi Ritlabs Dev,
> 
> What can i do to get it running again?

It seems, like there is no help or possibility for me to use The Bat!
again. Sad but true.

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Re: HELP to get my System running again

2009-11-07 Thread Maxim Masiutin

Hello Jens,

Saturday, November 07, 2009, 2:29:29, you wrote:

>>The ex_log.txt tells me:

>>v4.2.10.1 XP-VBOX/Administrator 06.11.2009 20:47:14 GUIDEF 
>>Compiler:viewframe.def(629): illegal token

This error is not related to sending out mail, we have also fixed it in 4.2.12.

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[The Bat! 4.2.12.2] Help not up-to-date

2009-11-03 Thread Volker Ahrendt

Moin, folks!

In the bugtracker I stumbled upon this – old and done – wish by
accident: <https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=1727>

Obviously a bunch of additional macros were introduced, so I think
it’s time for a Help update …

E.g.: - %FolderMessagesUnread
  - %FolderMessagesTotal

Cheers!
VA

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Re: MAPI, need help

2009-07-05 Thread Jens Franik


Sonntag, 5. Juli 2009 at 18:43, Vili wrote:

> I need some urgent help. I have an email client that cannot download
> emails. I think, something has changed in my XP system after I started
> outlook that affected TB, but what is it?

You already tried to make The Bat! your default eMail Program again in
Options/Applications?

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MAPI, need help

2009-07-05 Thread Vili

Sorry to write to here, but I would need urgent help and cannot access
my other email for 2 days that is signed up for the TBUDL list.

After running Outlook once, TB seems to connect ok to the Exchange server,
but not really.

When it worked, the log said:

When mail came:
 7/3/2009, 12:24:02: FETCH - receiving mail messages
 7/3/2009, 12:24:02: FETCH - connected to the Exchange server "ABC" as
user "DEF"
 7/3/2009, 12:24:02: FETCH - processing 2 folder(s)
 7/3/2009, 12:24:04: FILTER - received message from 1...@1.hu (626
bytes), URL: msgid: etc...
 7/3/2009, 12:24:33: FETCH - connection finished - 1 message received

When no mail arrived:
 7/3/2009, 12:41:29: FETCH - receiving mail messages
 7/3/2009, 12:41:29: FETCH - connected to the Exchange server
"EXCHANGET" as user "kerteszv"
 7/3/2009, 12:41:29: FETCH - processing 2 folder(s)
 7/3/2009, 12:41:31: FETCH - connection finished - 0 messages received

Now, that it does not work (I know that I got emails):
 7/3/2009, 13:30:35: FETCH - receiving mail messages
 7/3/2009, 13:30:36: FETCH - connected to the Exchange server
"EXCHANGET" as user "kerteszv"
 7/3/2009, 13:30:36: FETCH - processing 1 folder(s)
 7/3/2009, 13:30:36: FETCH - connection finished - 0 messages received

The mapi32.dll in the windows/system32 dir did not change.

I need some urgent help. I have an email client that cannot download
emails. I think, something has changed in my XP system after I started
outlook that affected TB, but what is it?

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Re: Help for a sentence I don't understand

2009-05-28 Thread Francis Dhumes

Hello Maxim,

Thursday, May 28, 2009 at 17:50:02, Maxim wrote :
>>>In english it gives "You can control at what time the message will be sent 
>>>if it will be
>>>finished later on:". I think it's more clear.
MM> I don't fully agree with that translation. With this date/time
MM> inputs in the bottom part of the window, you cannot control when
MM> the message will be sent. Here, by "control" I mean "manage",
MM> "operate", "restrain" or "influence". With the date/time inputs in
MM> the bottom part of the window you cannot influence when the
MM> message will be set. The purpose of it is solely informational.

You're right, minutes after I send my message I changed it again, I
had the same felling. Now it's "You can check at what time the message will be 
sent if it will be
finished later on:" (Or  "You may check ...", but I think a program
has no right to allow me to do something !).
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Re: Help for a sentence I don't understand

2009-05-28 Thread Dwight Corrin

On Thursday, May 28, 2009, 10:50:02 AM, Maxim Masiutin wrote:

>>>In english it gives "You can control at what time the message will be sent 
>>>if it will be
>>>finished later on:". I think it's more clear.
> I don't fully agree with that translation. 

it should warn at least, that despite the time set, if you hit send
queued messages, they well be sent immediately along with any other
queued messages which may be sitting in your outbox.

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Re[2]: Help for a sentence I don't understand

2009-05-28 Thread Maxim Masiutin

Hello Francis,

Thursday, May 28, 2009, 12:51:35, you wrote:

>>In english it gives "You can control at what time the message will be sent if 
>>it will be
>>finished later on:". I think it's more clear.
I don't fully agree with that translation. With this date/time inputs in the 
bottom part of the window, you cannot control when the message will be sent. 
Here, by "control" I mean "manage", "operate", "restrain" or "influence". With 
the date/time inputs in the bottom part of the window you cannot influence when 
the message will be set. The purpose of it is solely informational.

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Re: Help for a sentence I don't understand

2009-05-28 Thread Francis Dhumes

Hello,

Thursday, May 28, 2009 at 11:05:48, mse wrote :
m> This message became longer than expected. I hope i could help.

Thanks, it's long but clear.

The translation I made "word by word" is very near of the meaning of
this option, but I think is not clear.

In french I translate it to
"Vous pouvez contrôler à quel moment le message sera envoyé si il est
terminé au plus tard le:"
In english it gives "You can control at what time the message will be sent if 
it will be
finished later on:". I think it's more clear.

My 2 cents. :)
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Re: Help for a sentence I don't understand

2009-05-28 Thread Francis Dhumes

Hello,

Thursday, May 28, 2009 at 10:48:19, Alain wrote :
AdG> It means : "Vous pouvez aussi voir quand le message sera envoyé si il est
AdG> prêt plus tard"

I totally agree; it's like this I have translated it first. But it's a
nonsense with the ability to modify the date/time after it. It's not
just having a look !

AdG> It's useless if you only use it without template macro "%Postpone", but if
AdG> you finish a message after a specified date/time, it will simply be sent.

Yes, but the initial sentence doesn't explain it. If the time below is
a "deadline", Rit should have written it clearly !

Thank for your explanations.
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Re: Help for a sentence I don't understand

2009-05-28 Thread mse

Hello Francis,

> It's the latest option of the "More" button in the postpone message
> window:
> "You may also see when the message will be sent if it will be
> finished later on:".

> What does it mean: that I will have the ability to look a the time when
> the message will finish after au specified time (seems useless for
> me), or that if the message is finished after a specified time, I will
> have to select another time to postpone ?

> I really don't understand the option; please enlightened me :)

I've also been thinking about that sentence. I came to the following 
result:
Apart from the template-macro the entire "more"-section is the 
possibility to test the settings you made in the upper section. The 
sentence "If a message will be finished now, it will be sent ..." in 
the upper section shows the dispatch date/time when the message will 
be finished _now_.

The lower section allows you "to watch into the future". In fact it 
has no effect on the dispatch date/time of the message whose settings 
you're currently editing.
An example: Today it's Thursday, 28.05.2009. But you might ask the 
question, "Hey, what if i wrote a message tomorrow at 11 AM and set it 
for a delayed dispatch 1 day and 2 hours later, when would that 
message be sent?"
The lower section allows you to answer that question. In the lower 
section set date to 29.05.2009 and time to 11:00 and in the upper 
section set Add days: 1 and Add Hours: 2. The sentence in the lower 
section tells you that the message hypothetically created tomorrow at 
11 AM will be sent on Saturday, 30.05.2009 at 13:00 (1 PM).
Of course this "test-section" has only an effect when using relative 
date/time values (add days, hours, minutes) it doesn't make any sense 
when using an absolute date/time setting.

This message became longer than expected. I hope i could help.

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Re: Help for a sentence I don't understand

2009-05-28 Thread Alain de Gevigney

Hello Francis,

 On  Thu, 28 May 2009 at 09:51 you wrote:

> "You may also see when the message will be sent if it will be
> finished later on:".

It means : "Vous pouvez aussi voir quand le message sera envoyé si il est
prêt plus tard"
   "Si le message était prêt le ___ à __, il serait envoyé le ___ à __"

> What does it mean: that I will have the ability to look a the time when
> the message will finish after au specified time (seems useless for
> me), or that if the message is finished after a specified time, I will
> have to select another time to postpone ?

It's useless if you only use it without template macro "%Postpone", but if
you finish a message after a specified date/time, it will simply be sent.


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Re: Help for a sentence I don't understand

2009-05-28 Thread Volker Ahrendt

[Reply to: »Francis Dhumes« · 2009-05-28 · 09:51 h (CET)]

Moin, Francis!

> It's the latest option of the "More" button in the postpone message
> window: […]

> What does it mean: that I will have the ability to look a the time
> when the message will finish after au specified time (seems useless
> for me), or that if the message is finished after a specified time,
> I will have to select another time to postpone ?

It means that you now are the proud owner of a Time Machine:

- Set Sending Time to: May 28, 2009 at 10:00 h
- Set Finishing Time to:  December 28, 2009 at 10:00 h

  => The dialog makes you believe that the message will be sent 7
 months prior to its finishing. – That’s great, isn’t it? ;-)

And yes, to me this part of the dialog is useless, too!

Cheers!
VA

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Help for a sentence I don't understand

2009-05-28 Thread Francis Dhumes

Hello ,

I have a problem for translating a sentence in TB!, and I ask some
help to explain me what is the goal of this option.

It's the latest option of the "More" button in the postpone message
window:
"You may also see when the message will be sent if it will be
finished later on:".

What does it mean: that I will have the ability to look a the time when
the message will finish after au specified time (seems useless for
me), or that if the message is finished after a specified time, I will
have to select another time to postpone ?

I really don't understand the option; please enlightened me :)
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Help Needed: Contacts Grabbed Each Others' Addresses

2009-05-14 Thread Dmitry Novikov

Hi all,

What a funny nice subject, eh? :)

But I'd really appreciate your help.

I tried to copy all my 750+ contacts in a new address book (together with my 26 
groups),
but each time I tried (group by group and all together), I only saw that 
actually FEWER contacts were copied (744 or so)! :(

I was able to finally detect that The Bat! didn't copy contacts having "shared" 
e-mail addresses.
It seems one of betas some time in the past (or maybe it was TheBatSync 
utility) did some bad things like this:

2 or more of my contacts had the same names (no last names at all):

1. John: j...@john.net
2. John: j...@john.com

I discovered that (not sure since when), these 2 Johns appeared now as:

1. John: j...@john.net, j...@john.com
2. John: j...@john.com, j...@john.net

I've found several similar "duplicates" and fixed them, but I still have 
several bad contacts and can't track them down! :(

Can anyone help?

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Re[2]: Voyager migratng help

2009-03-28 Thread Kertész Vilmos

Hello Nick,

> Reply to message sent 3/28/2009, @ 18:14:56 (1:14 PM Locally)
> ~~~
> Hello Hamish,
>> - There is a tokenact.dat file...
> That's exactly what I was referring to. Thanks a lot!
> But...
>> I got the following from Nick Danger some time ago.
> Did I really send this to you at some earlier date?  Sheesh, if so
> then my memory is worse than I even thought it was.

Just to ensure that your memory is ok: I wrote that. I shuffle Voyager
between my 14" laptop (used at home), my 7" laptop (longer travel) and
the USB stick (short travel) :)

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Re: Voyager migratng help

2009-03-28 Thread Nick Danger

Reply to message sent 3/28/2009, @ 18:14:56 (1:14 PM Locally)
~~~
Hello Hamish,

> - There is a tokenact.dat file...

That's exactly what I was referring to. Thanks a lot!

But...

> I got the following from Nick Danger some time ago.

Did I really send this to you at some earlier date?  Sheesh, if so
then my memory is worse than I even thought it was.

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Re: Voyager migratng help

2009-03-28 Thread Nick Danger

Reply to message sent 3/28/2009, @ 19:13:42 (1:13 PM Locally)
~~~
Hello Mackley,

> I am right ?

Yes, but there was a work around with some file that once you
registered it for each drive you could then copy it back and forth
without needing to register it each time (if my memory is correct).

I just can't recall what file that was and what or how it needed to be
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Re: Voyager migratng help

2009-03-28 Thread ham...@albanach.net

Hello Nick,
I got the following from Nick Danger some time ago.

=
- There is a tokenact.dat file in the MAIL subfolder, that is specific
for  the  drive  Voyager  is  installed  on.  Make  a  copy of it with
tokenact_usb.dat  name  in  the  same  dir (copy somewhere else first,
rename it, move back). 

-  Copy  the Voyager dir from your USB drive to the PC. 

-  Start  Voyager and activate  it  again.  

-  Now  make  a  copy  of  the  current  tokenact.dat file in the MAIL
subfolder  with  tokenact_PC.dat  name in the same dir (copy somewhere
else first, rename it, move back).

-   At   this   point   you   have   tokenact.dat,   tokenact_usb.dat,
tokenact_PC.dat  in  the  MAIL  subfolder. Use Voyager. If you travel,
just   copy   the  whole  Voyager  onto  the  USB  stick,  delete  the
tokenact.dat  file, copy the tokenact_usb.dat as tokenact.dat into the
MAIL  and  you  are  ready  to use it. After the travel, just copy the
whole  Voyager from the USB stick onto the PC, delete the tokenact.dat
file,  copy  the tokenact_PC.dat as tokenact.dat into the MAIL and you
are ready to use it. I think, you get the idea.

I  do  this,  except  that  I  shuttle the same Voyager between my 14"
laptop  (used at home), my 7" laptop (longer travel) and the USB stick
(short travel) :)
=

Hope this helps,

Regards

Hamish



Saturday, March 28, 2009, 5:13:11 PM, you wrote:

ND> Hello List,

ND> Here's one of those things that I recall reading about, thought "Gee,
ND> that sound useful", but at the time I didn't have any need for it and
ND> the info has since slid out of my head.

ND> Someone here told of a method to use for Voyager where you could just
ND> copy the entire folder from a USB drive to your hard drive as needed.
ND> I seem to remember that it involved mostly one particular file that
ND> you need to name/rename depending on which drive it was that you were
ND> currently transferring the data to.

ND> Does this ring a bell with anyone?




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Re: Voyager migratng help

2009-03-28 Thread Mackley

Voyager use an internal encrypt key based on the device you've installed it.

If you "transfert" its directory from USB drive to hard disk, it'll
prompt you for a new registration / token / authentication matter.

I am right ?

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Voyager migratng help

2009-03-28 Thread Nick Danger

Hello List,

Here's one of those things that I recall reading about, thought "Gee,
that sound useful", but at the time I didn't have any need for it and
the info has since slid out of my head.

Someone here told of a method to use for Voyager where you could just
copy the entire folder from a USB drive to your hard drive as needed.
I seem to remember that it involved mostly one particular file that
you need to name/rename depending on which drive it was that you were
currently transferring the data to.

Does this ring a bell with anyone?

-- 
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 Danger

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Re: 1-11 HELP Filter Creation: Move Message to Folder Fails

2009-02-26 Thread MAU

Hello Zygmunt,

> I see the parameters for creating new message, so the
> sorting/filtering mechanism seems to be broken.

Confirmed.

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Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain)
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1-11 HELP Filter Creation: Move Message to Folder Fails

2009-02-26 Thread Jens Franik

Hello The Bat! Beta Tester,

the Dialog for Filter Action "Move Message to Folder" changed without
Announce and it is not working any more.

I browse to a Folder and the Path is shown up correctly, but
regardless of
- Folder already exists
- Folder does not exist (auto-create)
The Dialog does not set a Folder to move to, i deactivated the Filter
now and hope for a solution, or i must roll back again.

Here is the created Filter: (without possibility to set Folder to move
to)

 TB! Message Filter 
beginFilter
UID: [891BBA2E.01C99837.300B5A02.32BA4E0F]
Name: User\20Name
Filter: {\0d\0a\20`0`0`user.n...@web.de\0d\0a}
MoveMessage
Ignore
endFilter

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Assistance with Error Message - Can any one help?

2009-01-10 Thread Ethan J. Mings

January 10, 2009

I just received this message from my hosting company about my connect
when sending mail to the server.

Here is the message.

> We have reviewed all the vital services on your hosting server and
> we confirm that they are working as expected. We have checked our
> server mail logs and we noticed that your application is trying to
> send a bank mail command to the server which is not allowed. 
>
> 2009-01-10 09:42:52 [19170] H=() [74.14.232.152]:61663
> I=[67.15.172.7]:25 rejected EHLO or HELO : SITEGROUND: You can not
> sent a blank HELO/EHLO request. 74.14.232.152 sent [] EHLO/HELO
> greeting. Please see RFC 2821 section 4.1.1.1 
> 2009-01-10 09:42:52 [19170] SMTP connection from ()
> [74.14.232.152]:61663 I=[67.15.172.7]:25 closed by DROP in ACL 
>

Do you or any members of the beta list have any advice on this
problem.  I'm open to suggestions.

Thank you.

Jerry



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Quick Template Image Help

2009-01-06 Thread Nick Danger

Can this be done, and if so, how - as I can't seem to get it to work:

My screen capture autosaves to ScreenCap.jpg

I want to create a QuickTemplate where I can use it to insert the
capture into an email as an inline picture. I realize I need to have
the format as HMTL Only.

I try creating a quicktemplate and using the insert image function, then
selecting the file. It inserts it fine into the quicktemplate but when
calling the template from inside a message it doesn't work for me.

Any help, suggestions, or final word that it's impossible?

TIA,

-- 
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 Danger

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Mod: DEAD HORSE (was: Need help to find an alternative for TB)

2008-12-17 Thread Roelof Otten

Hallo Albrecht,

On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 14:21:04 +0100GMT (17-12-2008, 14:21, where I
live), you wrote:

AB> In my opinion the moderators should close such threads

It's been long enough, yes.
So everybody can consider this thread closed


Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not
just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have
instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Albrecht.

  )<)))'>

This topic has gone way "off" / too long / too heated and I
am forced to pronounce it dead in fairness to the purpose and other
members of the list.

Please take it off-list or to TBOT.

For anyone unfamiliar with Dead Horse policy, DEAD means DEAD. NO
REPLIES to the list, only off-list or on TBOT.

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Re: Need help to find an alternative for TB

2008-12-17 Thread Hans Stam


> Oh, sure. I just saw that your above quote was created with AK
> Mail. No ballast such as reasonbable line breaks at quoting or
> honouring the signature delimiter... Thanks for your great example,
I
> think I'll stay with The Bat! for the time being.

A negative reply, pity! No ballast, I think the author means something
else..-))
Not the tons of features, I never use..
It is like Word, many features, but most people don't use them..

Hans



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Re: Need help to find an alternative for TB

2008-12-17 Thread Thomas Fernandez

Hello Hans,

On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:03:35 +0100 GMT (18/12/2008, 00:03 +0700 GMT),
Hans Stam wrote:

>> Well, I'm using Forté Agent already for many years, from version 1,
HS> but
>> only
>> as my default newsclient and, if nessesary, for private emailreply
HS> to a
>> news-contributor. At the moment I use version 4.2 with a valid key
HS> for the
>> upcoming v5. The support is OK, but the email part of it can't stand
HS> in
>> the
>> shadow of TB in my actual copy.

[...]
HS> Of course it depends on what you wish with an emailprogram. Most of
HS> the emailprograms has ton of features you never use.
HS> I have also the German emailprogram AK-Mail, http://www.akmail.com/
HS> On the site you can read: der email-client ohne ballast
HS> I like this filosophy! I never have problems with this program, it is
HS> fast too!

Oh, sure. I just saw that your above quote was created with AK
Mail. No ballast such as reasonbable line breaks at quoting or
honouring the signature delimiter... Thanks for your great example, I
think I'll stay with The Bat! for the time being.

-- 

Cheers,
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Re: Re[2]: Need help to find an alternative for TB

2008-12-17 Thread Hans Stam


> Well, I'm using Forté Agent already for many years, from version 1,
but
> only
> as my default newsclient and, if nessesary, for private emailreply
to a
> news-contributor. At the moment I use version 4.2 with a valid key
for the
> upcoming v5. The support is OK, but the email part of it can't stand
in
> the
> shadow of TB in my actual copy.

I have also a registration for Forte Agent, in fact it is a newsreader
with email, but the email options are quite good.
Of course it depends on what you wish with an emailprogram. Most of
the emailprograms has ton of features you never use.
I have also the German emailprogram AK-Mail, http://www.akmail.com/
On the site you can read: der email-client ohne ballast
I like this filosophy! I never have problems with this program, it is
fast too!

Hans

>... BBSers do it till well after 3:00 in the morning.
> --
> Regards,
> Gunivortus
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Re[2]: Need help to find an alternative for TB

2008-12-17 Thread Albrecht Backhaus

Hello,

I am now following this discussion for quite a while. In my opinion the 
moderators should close such threads (this covers the other one about the 
registration-v4.x too) and move them somewhere else. Maybe there is a mailing 
list which covers issues like that ...

I subscribed to this list because I am interested in the beta development and 
relation issues - not in endless and fruitless discussions about pricing and 
alternatives. I don't want to have my mailbox filled with all this lamentations.

-- 

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Re: Need help to find an alternative for TB

2008-12-17 Thread Jens Franik


am Mittwoch, 17. Dezember 2008 um 12:23 schrieb Gunivortus Goos:

> TB is as SMTP/POP3 mailclient IMO actual the top of the hill, that's why I 
> stick to
> it, not for some sentimental loyalty reason.

Exactly, while i think Forte is the same for Newsgroups (i recently used
it for that matter).

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Re[2]: Need help to find an alternative for TB

2008-12-17 Thread Gunivortus Goos

Hi Jens,

> You dont know what you have to expect, if they switch to premium
> customers support...

Well, I'm using Forté Agent already for many years, from version 1, but only
as my default newsclient and, if nessesary, for private emailreply to a
news-contributor. At the moment I use version 4.2 with a valid key for the
upcoming v5. The support is OK, but the email part of it can't stand in the
shadow of TB in my actual copy.

TB is as SMTP/POP3 mailclient IMO actual the top of the hill, that's why I 
stick to
it, not for some sentimental loyalty reason.


   ... BBSers do it till well after 3:00 in the morning.
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Re: Need help to find an alternative for TB

2008-12-17 Thread Jens Franik


am Mittwoch, 17. Dezember 2008 um 07:58 schrieb Hans Stam:

>> Development-wise, Forte Agent is the complete and absolute opposite
>> of The Beta!

> You are right Arjan..we know indeed what we have to expect

,- [ http://www.forteinc.com/agent/index.php ]
| Free Agent
| 
| Forté has offered Free Agent for more than 10 years. With the release
| of Agent 4.0 we have decided to retire Free Agent and focus on providing
| Agent customers with exciting new features and timely upgrades.
`-

You dont know what you have to expect, if they switch to premium
customers support...

-- 
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Jens Franik
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Re: Need help to find an alternative for TB

2008-12-17 Thread graham

A few months ago I went through this process and tried almost every email 
client out there. I came back to TB! for the following reasons
(a) Other applications were slower /more bloated on my netbook
(b) Other applications were usually missing features I'd become used to in TB!

The closest was Thunderbird, but it required so many add-ins to provide 
similar functionality that it slowed to a crawl. I'm hopeful that Thunderbird 
3 (when announced) will address these issues.

So  I'm staying with 4.0.x until I see the next Thunderbird release 
(Jan/Feb '09) and then I'll decide. I'm only a POP3 man so I'm not worried 
about these IMAP discussions. Previous participants are right - that TB! has 
been promising improved IMAP for years, and they have re-written it more than 
once.. so I'm not sure what elese they can do.

(I tried IMAP in Thunderbird - aand didn't see what the fuss was about... :)
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Re: Need help to find an alternative for TB

2008-12-17 Thread Jens Franik


am Dienstag, 16. Dezember 2008 um 19:28 schrieb Arjan de Groot:

> It has one major flaw. It tends to choke on retrieving when large
> amounts of mail are residing on my server. 500 or more I'd say. 
> But I've found a work-around for that problem. 

You can also use fetchmail with the Cygwin Enviroment ;-)

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Re: Need help to find an alternative for TB

2008-12-17 Thread Volker Ahrendt

[Reply to: »Arjan de Groot« · 2008-12-16 · 23:49 h (CET)]

Moin, Arjan!

>>Could you please be so kind and show me/us just one software, which
>>is finished, i.e. *no* further work/improvement is needed, and which
>>is completely bugfree, i.e. no further bugfixing/service packs are
>>required.

> Forte Agent is an example of such software.

And you want to to tell me that Forté Agent is completely bugfree? If
you say so, I believe it. ;-)

> Development-wise, Forte Agent is the complete and absolute opposite
> of The Beta!

So my advice for you is: Stick with Forté Agent and be happy! :-)

EOD

Cheers!
VA

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Re[2]: Need help to find an alternative for TB

2008-12-17 Thread Gunivortus Goos


>> http://www.forteinc.com/news/bulletin.php?id=agent50update

> WOW ! Nested folders !!! :-D

As an 'oldie' I translated that for myself to 'subdirectories'. If I'm wrong
with that, I might not have understood till now my copy of Forté Agent. ;-)


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Re: Need help to find an alternative for TB

2008-12-16 Thread Mackley

> we know indeed what we have to expect, click
> here:
> http://www.forteinc.com/news/bulletin.php?id=agent50update

WOW ! Nested folders !!! :-D

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Re: Need help to find an alternative for TB

2008-12-16 Thread Hans Stam

> On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:52:50 +0100, Volker Ahrendt wrote:

> Forte Agent is an example of such software. On the Forte WWWebsite
> there is a roadmap. We know what we can expect in the next version.
> Beta testing is being done by a closed group of beta testers. And
> when version 5 will at last hit the main road we KNOW it will be a
> finished product without any easily discernable or obvious bugs.

> Development-wise, Forte Agent is the complete and absolute opposite
> of The Beta!

You are right Arjan..we know indeed what we have to expect, click
here:
http://www.forteinc.com/news/bulletin.php?id=agent50update

Hans

> Arjan
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Re: Need help to find an alternative for TB

2008-12-16 Thread Arjan de Groot

On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:52:50 +0100, Volker Ahrendt wrote:

>>Let's just say The Beta! is an neverending nonstop piece of "work
>>in progress".

> like nearly 100% of all the other software.

No, most software development is done step by step, feature by
feature, improvement by improvement.

>Just curious 

>Could you please be so kind and show me/us just one software, which is
>finished, i.e. *no* further work/improvement is needed, and which is
>completely bugfree, i.e. no further bugfixing/service packs are
>required.

Forte Agent is an example of such software. On the Forte WWWebsite
there is a roadmap. We know what we can expect in the next version.
Beta testing is being done by a closed group of beta testers. And
when version 5 will at last hit the main road we KNOW it will be a
finished product without any easily discernable or obvious bugs.

Development-wise, Forte Agent is the complete and absolute opposite
of The Beta!

Arjan
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Re: Need help to find an alternative for TB

2008-12-16 Thread Volker Ahrendt

[Reply to: »Arjan de Groot« · 2008-12-16 · 19:28 h (CET)]

Moin, Arjan!

>>2) The various releases are all "unfinished business as usual"

> Let's just say The Beta! is an neverending nonstop piece of "work
> in progress".

… like nearly 100% of all the other software.

Just curious …

Could you please be so kind and show me/us just one software, which is
finished, i.e. *no* further work/improvement is needed, and which is
completely bugfree, i.e. no further bugfixing/service packs are
required.

P.S.: RITLabs forces no one at gunpoint to buy a new version. If one
  does not agree with RITLabs product policy, he is free not to
  upgrade and to work with the previous version of The Bat! or to
  try another mail client [1]. It's up to you.

  »The idea that Bill Gates has appeared like a knight in shining
  armor to lead all customers out of a mire of technological chaos
  neatly ignores the fact that it was he who, by peddling
  second-rate technology, led them into it in the first place.«

  Douglas Adams (* March 11, 1952; † May 11, 2001)

  [1] As you have already done, Arjan.

Cheers!
VA

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Re: Need help to find an alternative for TB

2008-12-16 Thread Rick

> Hello Arjan,


> Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 7:28:30 PM, you wrote:

AdG>> The reason I'm still lingering on on the The Beta! lists is a
AdG>> mixture of nostalghia and curiosity.

> Nostalgia   can   be   very   dangerous.  It  might  lead to the wrong
> decisions.

> Take  for  instance  Wouter  Bos who thought it was a good idea to buy
> what  was  left  of  an old underperforming bank, judging it was worth
> putting at risk Benelux-solidarity and now will have to explain to his
> people  that  he  actually  wasn't  as  smart  as  he pretended to be,
> realizing  that  the  1  billion euro loss that showed up yesterday is
> only the beginning of the nightmare...

> :-)

I think I'll invest in Ritlabs instead ...

-- 
Rick
Some people come into our lives and quickly go.
Some stay for awhile and leave footprints on our hearts.
And we are never, ever the same.
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Re: Need help to find an alternative for TB

2008-12-16 Thread Mark Partous

Hello Arjan,


Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 7:28:30 PM, you wrote:

AdG> The reason I'm still lingering on on the The Beta! lists is a
AdG> mixture of nostalghia and curiosity.

Nostalgia   can   be   very   dangerous.  It  might  lead to the wrong
decisions.

Take  for  instance  Wouter  Bos who thought it was a good idea to buy
what  was  left  of  an old underperforming bank, judging it was worth
putting at risk Benelux-solidarity and now will have to explain to his
people  that  he  actually  wasn't  as  smart  as  he pretended to be,
realizing  that  the  1  billion euro loss that showed up yesterday is
only the beginning of the nightmare...

:-)

-- 
Best Wishes,
Mark 
   
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MyMacros 1.11a

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Re: Need help to find an alternative for TB

2008-12-16 Thread Arjan de Groot

On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:06:03 -0500, Rick wrote:

>Would you kindly condescend to clarify something for my feeble
>intelect?
>1) You haven't used the bat in 4 years

I still have an old version (v2.12) on one of my computers. I'm
using it periodically with the purpose of archiving the e-mails
that have been collected by my mail server.

It has one major flaw. It tends to choke on retrieving when large
amounts of mail are residing on my server. 500 or more I'd say. 
But I've found a work-around for that problem. 

>2) The various releases are all "unfinished business as usual"

Let's just say The Beta! is an neverending nonstop piece of "work
in progress".

>WHAT are you doing here?

There has been a time, during versions 1.x, when I saw real
potential in The Beta! Version 2 would be a complete rewrite 
in C++ and IMAP would be implemented. So I still had my hopes.

The reason I'm still lingering on on the The Beta! lists is a
mixture of nostalghia and curiosity.

Arjan
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Re: Fwd: Need help to find an alternative for TB

2008-12-16 Thread Rick

> On Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 11:32:22 AM, Mackley wrote:

>> Well... I'm trying Mozilla Thunderbird 3.0 beta but it's far far away
>> from TheBat! advanced capabilities...

> you can try 'em all, but if you've been using TB! you're spoiled.

I left the Bat and ended up coming back. I share some links in groups
and use Outlook Express for that since I can copy pictures and words
with underlying links from web pages and paste them into emails and
they will work which the bat cannot do at this point. Also OE can
embed sounds

When Ritlabs starts working on that part of the HTML editor I will get
very interested but I am certainly not going to get abusive because it
does not currently have those particular features. It has so much
more.

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Re: Need help to find an alternative for TB

2008-12-16 Thread Rick

> No, your reaction was very silly and also beside the point because
> I already stated that I had given up on The Beta! four years ago,
> and if you'd checked the headers of my message you would have seen
> that I'm using Forte Agent.

Um ... you are correct, I didn't think to examine your message
headers.
Would you kindly condescend to clarify something for my feeble
intelect?
1) You haven't used the bat in 4 years
2) The various releases are all "unfinished business as usual"

WHAT are you doing here?
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Re[2]: Fwd: Need help to find an alternative for TB

2008-12-16 Thread Bob Riley

Hi Mackley,

Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 10:32:22 AM, you wrote:

>> Why don't all you unhappy people move to Thunderbird?

> Well... I'm trying Mozilla Thunderbird 3.0 beta but it's far far away
> from TheBat! advanced capabilities...

I agree with you completely. The Bat has a great interface and many
advanced features (some of which I possibly will never have the need
or desire to use). This is why I have bought a license and two
upgrades in 2 1/2 years (July, 2006; 21 Nov 2007; and yesterday).

At the same time, I think Opera, Thunderbird and even the new Yahoo!
Zimbra have more efficient, reliable and easier to set up (!!) IMAP
implementations. I should add that I use Gmail's IMAP system (having
used its POP system for years before). I greatly respect the RitLab
team, and believe that in time, TB's IMAP implementation will match
those others.

In some ways, TB's IMAP implementation reminds me of that of Mulberry 
- many, many settings but too complicated for mere tech mortals.

BTW, TB is still my primary mail client, but when I repeatedly get the
warnings of "cannot retrieve message body because of processing
error," I start up Thunderbird to read the message. Eventually, it will
show up correctly in TB but that might be 10 minute or more away and
involve restarting TB. I cannot speak about other IMAP systems,
generally. I do have a very seldom used fastmail.fm account for use
with an organization, and they give detailed setup instructions for
many of the clients. Their IMAP system seems excellent.

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Re: Need help to find an alternative for TB

2008-12-16 Thread Arjan de Groot

On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 12:34:31 -0500, Rick wrote:

>Well Mozilla has bountiful forums in which to complain. My tongue was
>firmly planted in my cheek when I posted that BTW :))

No, your reaction was very silly and also beside the point because
I already stated that I had given up on The Beta! four years ago,
and if you'd checked the headers of my message you would have seen
that I'm using Forte Agent.

>There was supposed to be an upgrade fee for v4 and they pushed it back
>to v4.1. We are discussing bugs in a BETA forum (list) and people are
>complaining that the release is buggy. Uh .. YEAH!

To me all The Beta! versions are the same. Alfa versions, Beta
versions, Release Candidates, Releases... It's all the same old
unfinished bussiness as usual.

Arjan
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Re[2]: Fwd: Need help to find an alternative for TB

2008-12-16 Thread Dwight Corrin

On Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 11:32:22 AM, Mackley wrote:

> Well... I'm trying Mozilla Thunderbird 3.0 beta but it's far far away
> from TheBat! advanced capabilities...


you can try 'em all, but if you've been using TB! you're spoiled.

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Re: Need help to find an alternative for TB

2008-12-16 Thread Rick

> Hello Rick,

> Actually this should be discussed on TBOT...

> Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 5:40:25 PM, you wrote:

R>> Why don't all you unhappy people move to Thunderbird? It's FREE. It
R>> has IMAP, FIlters and plugins so you can make it exactly the way you
R>> want it.

> But  be warned: the financing of these free products might well vanish
> due  to  the effect of the economic/financial crisis of which we have
> not seen the full impact yet.

Well Mozilla has bountiful forums in which to complain. My tongue was
firmly planted in my cheek when I posted that BTW :))

There was supposed to be an upgrade fee for v4 and they pushed it back
to v4.1. We are discussing bugs in a BETA forum (list) and people are
complaining that the release is buggy. Uh .. YEAH!

IF you don't want to deal with bugs, unsub from the beta list and go
back to the last stable release, or Thunderbird, or Pocomail or
whatever blows your dress up. Don't just stay here and toss out
disheartening comments to the Ritlabs developers who are working as
hard as they can to make it the best product out there. It not only
saps their strength, but really, it is JUST PLAIN RUDE

Ritlabs team - thanks for all you are doing

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Re: Fwd: Need help to find an alternative for TB

2008-12-16 Thread Mackley

> Why don't all you unhappy people move to Thunderbird?

Well... I'm trying Mozilla Thunderbird 3.0 beta but it's far far away
from TheBat! advanced capabilities...

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Re: Need help to find an alternative for TB

2008-12-16 Thread Mark Partous

Hello Rick,

Actually this should be discussed on TBOT...

Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 5:40:25 PM, you wrote:

R> Why don't all you unhappy people move to Thunderbird? It's FREE. It
R> has IMAP, FIlters and plugins so you can make it exactly the way you
R> want it.

But  be warned: the financing of these free products might well vanish
due  to  the effect of the economic/financial crisis of which we have
not seen the full impact yet.

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Re: Fwd: Need help to find an alternative for TB

2008-12-16 Thread Rick


> I have given up four years ago. I don't want to pay in order to be
> used as a guinea pig. If you are happy with it and want to continue
> using it, that's fine. But I think you should not try to obfuscate
> TheBat's troubles by merely trumpetting its virtues.

Why don't all you unhappy people move to Thunderbird? It's FREE. It
has IMAP, FIlters and plugins so you can make it exactly the way you
want it.

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Some stay for awhile and leave footprints on our hearts.
And we are never, ever the same.
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Re: Fwd: Need help to find an alternative for TB

2008-12-16 Thread Arjan de Groot

On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 12:11:28 +0100, MAU wrote:

>The very last paragraph of the forwarded message:

>>One more last thing. I don't want to start any further discussion with
>>this message, so don't bother to reply unless you really think you can
>>point a real alternative for me ;-)

>Is even more true today.

You're missing the point. The reality is very simple.

Fact 1: Ritlabs is advertising a Release Version (4.0.38) on its
WWWebsite.
Fact 2: There is a list of KNOWN issues and bugs in this Release
Version.

IMO, the courteous thing to do for Ritlabs would be to handle the
issues, fix the bugs and provide the user (who isn't aware of the
ongoing Alfa-, Beta-, RC- or whatever "development" and who
probably doesn't need version 4.1.x) with a 4.0 Release Version
that is as stable and usable as possible.

Ritlabs doesn't do that. Instead they are throwing in yet another
series of half baked Alfa- Beta-, RC- or whatever versions that
have some bugs fixed and others introduced to a group of
"beta-testers" who are just able to say: "up and running".

This is not an incident, it has gone on for many, many years.

I have given up four years ago. I don't want to pay in order to be
used as a guinea pig. If you are happy with it and want to continue
using it, that's fine. But I think you should not try to obfuscate
TheBat's troubles by merely trumpetting its virtues.

Arjan
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Re: Need help to find an alternative for TB

2008-12-16 Thread Jens Franik


am Dienstag, 16. Dezember 2008 um 12:11 schrieb MAU:

> point a real alternative for me ;-)

;-)

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Re: Need help to find an alternative for TB

2008-12-16 Thread Thomas Fernandez

Hello MAU,

On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 23:07:53 +0100 GMT (31/10/2005, 05:07 +0700 GMT),
MAU wrote:

M> One last thing, in case you happen to know. Moons ago there was a
M> discussion in this list about 'irony' and 'sarcasm' but it isn't still
M> clear to me what the difference is. Do you know? I ask because I am not
M> sure if I wrote and ironic or sarcastic message :) In any case, it may
M> help some of you understand why I may seem to you as quite tolerant
M> with some TB bugs, the programmers, release issues, etc.

1. Your message mid:923795788.20051030230...@rancho-k.com threaded.
That's because I had parked your original message, to which I am
replying.

2. I think it is irony rather than sarcasm, but I'm no expert.

M> Thanks for your time :)

No problem. In fact, it was an enjoyable read, reminding us of why we
stick with this email client. Myself since 1999, v1.34 IIRC.

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Fwd: Need help to find an alternative for TB

2008-12-16 Thread MAU

Hello all,

I think the 3 years old message below fits well with current ongoing 
discussions in this list. Of course, my requirements to find a 
replacement for TB have grown since the message was sent because, no 
matter what some may say, TB has added functionality and improved quite 
a bit since v3.62.07 which was at the time used to send the message.

The very last paragraph of the forwarded message:

> One more last thing. I don't want to start any further discussion with
> this message, so don't bother to reply unless you really think you can
> point a real alternative for me ;-)

Is even more true today.

Best regards,

Miguel

===8<==Forwarded Message===
   From: MAU 
   Date: Sunday, October 30, 2005 11:07:53 PM  
 To: tbbeta@thebat.dutaint.com 
Subject: Need help to find an alternative for TB

Hello all,

I know some of you will be surprised with the subject of this messages
but, yes, it says what it says.

I haven't had enough time (and my slow typing speed doesn't help either)
to more actively participate in these past few days discussions about
bugs, if they are showstoppers or cosmetic bugs, if the latest release
should have happened, or not, if the programmers are doing this or that
when we would like them to do that or this, etc., etc.

Aside of not having time, it is always difficult to discuss about bugs.
What may be a showstopper for some may just be cosmetic for others, and
we must all accept that. I, for example, don't care about IMAP because I
don't use IMAP accounts and I don't foresee using it in the near future.
But I can fully understand that those of you that need/use it may be
upset if it doesn't work as it should.

Anyway, for a number of reasons that I will not explain now (may take
too long to explain) I have decided to look for an alternative for TB.

Since looking for alternatives and evaluating them will certainly take
time and I don't have that much (as I have said before), and since I
believe many (some?) of you are seriously considering leaving TB and
moving to another email client and maybe have already evaluated some, is
why I would kindly ask from you to advise me if you know of a package
that will allow me to do most of the things I do with TB now and that
have become essential for my work.

OK, these are some of the things the alternative package should have or
should allow me to do (in no specific order):

- It should allow to create multiple POP accounts and allow me to
set different time period for each for checking incoming email. With
different identity for each and different templates for new, reply,
forward and print for each account. It should also allow me to set a
different Address Book for each account, which, in turn, requires that I
can create and use as many ABs as I wish. I currently use 20 accounts.

- It should allow the creation of a folder tree with subfolders to any
level of deepness and the possibility of setting different identities
for each folder or subfolder. These, the different identities, I use for
example for mailing lists and newsgroups. I may have different accounts
for different news servers and then different identities for each
newsgroup. I currently have 540 folders plus some 80 Virtual Folders.

- Since I have already mentioned ABs, aside of being able to create and
use as many ABs as needed, it should allow the creation of groups and
assigning AB entries to more than one group. Also, it should be possible
to define new, reply and fwd templates for AB entries and groups.

- And talking about templates, it should allow account, AB (entry and
group) and folder templates. Yes, folder templates may be (or seem)
'dangerous' but I do use them quite a bit. Ah!, of course it should
allow QTs (Quick Templates) and the nesting of templates and QTs (I'll
give an example later).

- Obviously, when talking about templates I should not forget about
Macros and Regexp. A range of macros similar to TB would be ideal.

- I should be able to set message deletion criteria at folder level,
with the possibility of moving messages to a different folder which,
together with the 'Keep messages for N days' option will allow me to
archive 'old' messages.

- Before I finish with folders, it should allow me to set View Modes and
threading mode at folder level. I currently use 17 view modes and in
most folders I always thread by Reference which, to me, is the 'natural'
way to thread.

- It should allow the use of different viewers and editors, although I
basically use PTV and MicroEd. If only one editor is offered, I would
prefer it is as similar as possible to MicroEd (I love it).

- It should allow different ways of searching. Like with Message Finder,
Quick Search, VF filtering and quick filtering with Alt+click.

- And since I have just mentioned VFs again, and before I forget, it
should allow th

Re: 4.0.39.34 Help Icon

2008-12-06 Thread Rick


> am Samstag, 6. Dezember 2008 um 17:14 schrieb MAU:

>>>>> [*] help icon added to main menu
>>>> presonally  I  do not like it, I understand using this icon in submenu, but
>>>> not  in main menu instead "Help" text. This is not ribbon menu, so I do not
>>>> like combining text and image...

>>> I agree 100%. Help menu is the standard, not a Help icon.

>> Agree. So much that I have removed the icon with Customiser and added 
>> the text 'Help'.

> :-)
> I just want so add, that i would also prefer to have the Menu without
> Graphics.

I think they did a nice job with that! I'm happy either way

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Re: 4.0.39.34 Help Icon

2008-12-06 Thread Jens Franik


am Samstag, 6. Dezember 2008 um 17:14 schrieb MAU:

>>>> [*] help icon added to main menu
>>> presonally  I  do not like it, I understand using this icon in submenu, but
>>> not  in main menu instead "Help" text. This is not ribbon menu, so I do not
>>> like combining text and image...

>> I agree 100%. Help menu is the standard, not a Help icon.

> Agree. So much that I have removed the icon with Customiser and added 
> the text 'Help'.

:-)
I just want so add, that i would also prefer to have the Menu without
Graphics.

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Re: Small help - as a reminder

2008-05-13 Thread Eddie Castelli

Dear Peter,

   -->> Dienstag, 13. Mai 2008, 18:31:04:


> If you install the pro version there is no need to install the
> intpack. It is included in pro and is only needed with the home
> version.

Good, so I can free some space on the HD by deleting the Int.pack.


EC>> In addition, which is now the latest .msi I can use without any
EC>> problem (e.g. not functioning QT etc)?
> I think 4.0.24 is the one.

I just see that I made a small mistake. It should ask "which .rar" is
the better to take. As I understand some of the rar having problems
with QT's.


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Re: Small help - as a reminder

2008-05-13 Thread Peter Meyns

Hi Eddie,

on  Tue, 13 May 2008 13:53:58 +0200GMT (13.05.2008, 13:53 +0200GMT here),
you wrote:

EC> Ok I remember first to install the .msi and then the latest .rar over
EC> it. But, do I first install the 'Pro' and then the 'Int pack' or vice
EC> versa?

If you install the pro version there is no need to install the
intpack. It is included in pro and is only needed with the home
version.

EC> In addition, which is now the latest .msi I can use without any
EC> problem (e.g. not functioning QT etc)?

I think 4.0.24 is the one.

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Small help - as a reminder

2008-05-13 Thread Eddie Castelli

Dear all,

I haven't done it for quit some times - installing a newer Beta
Version over my existing v3.95.6. So I need a little help as a
reminder in order not to do it wrong and bust my registration.

The latest .msi I have downloaded is 'International Pack v4.0.24' and
'TB!pro v4.0.24'. Further I have the latest .rar file.

Ok I remember first to install the .msi and then the latest .rar over
it. But, do I first install the 'Pro' and then the 'Int pack' or vice
versa? In addition, which is now the latest .msi I can use without any
problem (e.g. not functioning QT etc)?

Your help is appreciated. Thank you!


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Re: help

2008-03-10 Thread Marck D Pearlstone

Dear Heather / Dan,

@10-Mar-2008, 08:55 -0400 (10-Mar 12:55 here) Heather & Dan Morrison
[HDM] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

... 
>> You can reach the person managing the list at
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Did you mean to ask for help from the administrator.

>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
>> than "Re: Contents of TBBETA digest..."

Okay - so "help" isn't the original subject, but it's hard to help
when you're being a little sparing on details of what your problem
might be. (Other than using Outlook Express to attempt to read a MIME
digest).

... 
>> Today's Topics:

So - what's the problem? I have CC'd this to your private email since
you may be having trouble reading it on digest.

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help

2008-03-10 Thread Heather & Dan Morrison

- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 7:00 AM
Subject: TBBETA Digest, Vol 192, Issue 17

Send TBBETA mailing list submissions to
tbbeta@thebat.dutaint.com

To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
http://stromgrade.its-toasted.org/mailman/listinfo/tbbeta
or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
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You can reach the person managing the list at
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When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
than "Re: Contents of TBBETA digest..."

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  1. Re[2]: 4.0.16.1 (Roger Phillips)
  2. Re: 4.0.16.2 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  3. Re: v 4.0.16.2 - View,  BCC, etc., not correct (David Bevington)
  4. Re: 4.0.16.2 (MAU)
  5. Re: Socket errors in 4.x series (Peter Fjelsten)
  6. Re: Socket errors in 4.x series (Dwight Corrin)
  7. Re: Socket errors in 4.x series (Peter Fjelsten)
  8. Re: Socket errors in 4.x series (Marek Mikus)
  9. Re: Socket errors in 4.x series (MAU)
 10. Re: Socket errors in 4.x series (Peter Fjelsten)
 11. Re: Socket errors in 4.x series (Marek Mikus)
 12. Re[2]: Socket errors in 4.x series (Paul Van Noord)
 13. Re: Socket errors in 4.x series (Marek Mikus)
 14. Re[2]: Socket errors in 4.x series (Paul Van Noord)
 15. Re: 4.0.16.2 (Martin Schoch)
 16. Re: 4.0.16.2 (Marck D Pearlstone)
 17. Re: 4.0.16.2 (Marek Mikus)
 18. Re: Socket errors in 4.x series (Peter Fjelsten)
 19. Re: 4.0.16.2 (Martin Schoch)
 20. Re: Socket errors in 4.x series (Marek Mikus)
 21. Re: Socket errors in 4.x series (Peter Fjelsten)
 22. Re: Socket errors in 4.x series (Marek Mikus)
 23. Re: Socket errors in 4.x series (Peter Fjelsten)
 24. Pasting One Line Below EOM (Jay Walker)
 25. Re: 4.0.16.2 (Robert van der Hulst)
 26. Re: Pasting One Line Below EOM (Volker Ahrendt)

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Re: Expried certificates (was: 2nd request for help can't email from the bat.)

2008-02-25 Thread danger



now filed as bugtrack item 0006856


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Re: Expried certificates (was: 2nd request for help can't email from the bat.)

2008-02-24 Thread Jens Franik

Guten Tag Marek Mikus,

am Sonntag, 24. Februar 2008 um 12:49 schrieben Sie:

> once developers accept such opinion, "nobody" will use correct certs then,
> everybody (including You) will confirm warning window instead changing
> certificate, because it is easier.

I worked for a middle-range ISP for over 5 years, i know
about getting and renewing certificates and about
installing them on the servers.

You probably have to decide yourself, if you want to make a
eMail Programm for Users, or for yourself.

But the Users pay your bill - can you give yourself the
Money needed for living next month?

I would do almost everything, after my customer signs me
that he takes the risk after a comprehensible instruction.

I do warn them and explain the issue, but i do not treat
them like foolish childs. and i never place them under
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Re: Expried certificates (was: 2nd request for help can't email from the bat.)

2008-02-24 Thread Jens Franik

Guten Tag Thomas Fernandez,

am Sonntag, 24. Februar 2008 um 13:07 schrieben Sie:

> Are you trying to save the internet by disallowing this in TB!?

I thought this right the moment now.
I would support a urgly and red Error-Message with a
Confirmation Dialog to User, becaue it is security
relevant, but i would want it to allow this for some
days/weeks/months/forever (with a second confirmation).

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Re[2]: Expried certificates (was: 2nd request for help can't email from the bat.)

2008-02-24 Thread Paul Van Noord

2/24/2008  3:59 PM

Hi Rick,

On 2/24/2008 Rick Grunwald wrote:

>> I am fascinated that you want to complain because TB has the courage
>> to do the right thing instead of being "politically correct" like
>> "all" (or most) of the others.

RG> It isn't a case of courage but rather usability and

It is hardly an usability issue. On one hand you say you want to be
secure and on the other you want to override the security. Make your
choice and pay your dues or go to some other place that promotes
inappropriate compromise.

RG> allowing people
RG> to use the program as they see fit.

After 20 years I have yet to see a program that morphs itself to the
whims of the user. Rather the user has a responsibility to learn the
rules and play by them or go to a different ball game.

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Re: Expried certificates (was: 2nd request for help can't email from the bat.)

2008-02-24 Thread Rick Grunwald

> I am fascinated that you want to complain because TB has the courage
> to do the right thing instead of being "politically correct" like
> "all" (or most) of the others.

It isn't a case of courage but rather usability and allowing people
to use the program as they see fit.


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Re[2]: Expried certificates (was: 2nd request for help can't email from the bat.)

2008-02-24 Thread Paul Van Noord

2/24/2008  3:19 PM

Hi Thomas,

On 2/24/2008 Thomas Fernandez wrote:

TF> Why are people so vehemently against options, just because they don't
TF> want to use them? Especially options that other email clients offer.
TF> Are you trying to save the internet by disallowing this in TB!?

Why bother with a secure connection if it can be compromised? If I set
a user's antivirus to advise when there is an update instead of doing
it automatically they almost invariably will opt out of doing it. Even
worse, when it is time for renewal they will click out of renewing for
45 days in a row instead of renewing. Then I get the phone calls after
the expiration asking for help because the opportunity to click a
renewal link has disappeared. Even my school teacher daughter did
this!

I am fascinated that you want to complain because TB has the courage
to do the right thing instead of being "politically correct" like
"all" (or most) of the others.

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Re: Expried certificates (was: 2nd request for help can't email from the bat.)

2008-02-24 Thread Thomas Fernandez

Hello Marek,

On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 12:49:47 +0100 GMT (24/02/2008, 18:49 +0700 GMT),
Marek Mikus wrote:

Good morning. You were up late last night, I didn't expect a reply so
fast. Thanks.

MM> once developers accept such opinion, "nobody" will use correct
MM> certs then, everybody (including You) will confirm warning window
MM> instead changing certificate, because it is easier.

That is their problem and mine, not yours. Besides, all (or at least
many) email clients provide this option. So the internet will not blow
just because TB! provides it too.

MM> Or do You have different reason to require this instead You are
MM> lazy to change certificate?

Yes. See my example in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] There is no new
cert, because the sysad is on vacation. That's just an example. In
fact, I don't need to defend myelf to ask for an option, even though
you might not want to use it.

Why are people so vehemently against options, just because they don't
want to use them? Especially options that other email clients offer.
Are you trying to save the internet by disallowing this in TB!?

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Re: Expried certificates (was: 2nd request for help can't email from the bat.)

2008-02-24 Thread Marek Mikus

Hello all,
Sunday, February 24, 2008, Thomas Fernandez wrote:

> Thanks for your opinion. I will assume that you will never accept an
> expired certificate. That's good for you. I have a different opinion.
> Why do you want to forbid me to do something? Just because you
> wouldn't want to do it yourself? How is that not unacceptable
> nannying? How does it hurt *you* when *I* accept an expired
> certificate?

once developers accept such opinion, "nobody" will use correct certs then,
everybody (including You) will confirm warning window instead changing
certificate, because it is easier.

Or do You have different reason to require this instead You are lazy to
change certificate?

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Expried certificates (was: 2nd request for help can't email from the bat.)

2008-02-23 Thread Thomas Fernandez

Hello Marek,

On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 05:52:40 +0100 GMT (24/02/2008, 11:52 +0700 GMT),
Marek Mikus wrote:

>> Not I "must". I "should". And if I don't do it, I must live with the
>> consequences. I "must not" be nannied by my email program - especially
>> since other email programs don't nanny the user. They give a pop-up
>> warning and then let the user accept the expired certificate if he so
>> chooses. Please don't treat me like a child, I know what I'm doing.

MM> I am against "such" security, if You accept security, You should accept
MM> its policy.

Thanks for your opinion. I will assume that you will never accept an
expired certificate. That's good for you. I have a different opinion.
Why do you want to forbid me to do something? Just because you
wouldn't want to do it yourself? How is that not unacceptable
nannying? How does it hurt *you* when *I* accept an expired
certificate?

MM> For example from RFC2246

MM> F.1.1. Authentication and key exchange

MM>TLS supports three authentication modes:

That's great support, but the RFC doesn't force me make my connection
more secure. If I want to have a secure connection, the support is
there, and it's appreciated. If the cert is expried and I know that
this brainy of a sysad again forgot to renew it before he went on
vacation, you cut me completely off from my email. I'd rather take
chances with the missing security than missing out on important
business opportunities. Let it be up to me to set my own priorities,
regardless of whether you would set the priorities differently.

MM>authentication of both parties, server authentication with an
MM>unauthenticated client, and total anonymity. Whenever the
MM>server is authenticated, the channel is secure against
MM>man-in-the-middle attacks, but completely anonymous sessions
MM>are inherently vulnerable to such attacks. Anonymous servers
MM>cannot authenticate clients. If the server is authenticated,
MM>its certificate message must provide a valid certificate chain
MM>leading to an acceptable certificate authority. Similarly,
MM>authenticated clients must supply an acceptable certificate to
MM>the server. Each party is responsible for verifying that the
MM>other's certificate is valid and has not expired or been
MM>revoked.

If the server's certificate is expired, the sysad has failed in his
reponsibility. True. However, I can accept his shortcoming if I want
to - the RFC doesn't forbid me to. I don't know any otehr email client
that forbids me to. You are over-interpreting the RFC. It doesn't say
that the client has to lock the user out of the email if the server's
cert has expired. It only says the server's admin hasn't done his job,
which is true. Why do you think this means that the client is not
allowed to accept an expried certificate?

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Re: 2nd request for help can't email from the bat.

2008-02-23 Thread Marek Mikus

Hello all,
Sunday, February 24, 2008, Thomas Fernandez wrote:

> Not I "must". I "should". And if I don't do it, I must live with the
> consequences. I "must not" be nannied by my email program - especially
> since other email programs don't nanny the user. They give a pop-up
> warning and then let the user accept the expired certificate if he so
> chooses. Please don't treat me like a child, I know what I'm doing.

I am against "such" security, if You accept security, You should accept
its policy.

For example from RFC2246

F.1.1. Authentication and key exchange

   TLS supports three authentication modes: authentication of both
   parties, server authentication with an unauthenticated client, and
   total anonymity. Whenever the server is authenticated, the channel is
   secure against man-in-the-middle attacks, but completely anonymous
   sessions are inherently vulnerable to such attacks.  Anonymous
   servers cannot authenticate clients. If the server is authenticated,
   its certificate message must provide a valid certificate chain
   leading to an acceptable certificate authority.  Similarly,
   authenticated clients must supply an acceptable certificate to the
   server. Each party is responsible for verifying that the other's
   certificate is valid and has not expired or been revoked.

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Re: 2nd request for help can't email from the bat.

2008-02-23 Thread Thomas Fernandez

Hello Marek,

On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 04:59:28 +0100 GMT (24/02/2008, 10:59 +0700 GMT),
Marek Mikus wrote:

>> Old discussion: What if I, as a reponsible adult, want to choose to
>> receive/send the mail even though the certificate is expired?

MM> how is expiration of certificate related to Your age?

In that I don't want to be treated like a child when I decide to
accept an expired certificate.

MM> If You want to have secured connection, You need correct
MM> certificate. If it has expiration date, You must update it it
MM> expires.

Not I "must". I "should". And if I don't do it, I must live with the
consequences. I "must not" be nannied by my email program - especially
since other email programs don't nanny the user. They give a pop-up
warning and then let the user accept the expired certificate if he so
chooses. Please don't treat me like a child, I know what I'm doing.

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Re: 2nd request for help can't email from the bat.

2008-02-23 Thread Marek Mikus

Hello all,
Sunday, February 24, 2008, Thomas Fernandez wrote:

MM>> import new one to RootCA AddressBook.

> Old discussion: What if I, as a reponsible adult, want to choose to
> receive/send the mail even though the certificate is expired?

how is expiration of certificate related to Your age? If You want to have
secured connection, You need correct certificate. If it has expiration
date, You must update it it expires.

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