Re: The Bat! 3.5 Return RC1 is now available
On Wednesday, May 4, 2005, 23:30, Alto Speckhardt wrote: With Auto Format On you can't make a paragraph (by pressing Return) without inserting an empty line after it. If you try it the next line is drawn back to append the previous one - as it should not be. If you disable Auto Format then no formating is done to one paragraph in its own. Yo can have the first line only half full with no Return behind it, but now the next line is not drawn back - as it very well should be. You won't get Ritlabs to alter MicroEd in this respect. MicroEd is loved for it's - to the newcomer - sometimes peculiar features and changing this type of behaviour would yield an outcry among many of us. Instead, why don't you try out TB!'s other editor? At least in this respect it does behave as you want it to. I've inquired about this issue years ago but have not even gotten so much as a reply. (Same as with the other bug reports I submitted over the years, BTW.) You got the new editor added... Jokes aside, I do think you should have got a reply and I do acknowledge the Windows editor was not added as a direct outcome of your request, but at least this shows that development of TB! continues at a rapid rate. -- Regards, Marcus Ohlström Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 PGP Public Key at http://www.canit.se/~marcus/pgp.asc Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.5 Return RC1 is now available
On Thursday, May 5, 2005, 10:07, Marcus Ohlström wrote: You got the new editor added... Jokes aside, I do think you should have got a reply and I do acknowledge the Windows editor was not added as a direct outcome of your request, but at least this shows that development of TB! continues at a rapid rate. OK, this proves the Windows editor might not be what you are looking for. It obviously does not break lines as I thought it should. -- Regards, Marcus Ohlström Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 PGP Public Key at http://www.canit.se/~marcus/pgp.asc Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.5 Return RC1 is now available
Hello Alto Speckhardt everyone else, on 05-Mai-2005 at 21:52 you (Alto Speckhardt) wrote: In continuous text, that might be. However, try this example: ...I know... ASK We're not writing books, we're writing emails. :-) And turning ASK auto-format on/off is only a simple keyboard shortcut away. Now, ASK if I could only remember it... :-) CTRL-Shift-F. I remember it very well because it is always set to the position unsuitable for the text I'm currently writing, regardless of whether it's on or off. LOL! ASK Thats why I'm not using auto-format but press ALT-L I didn't know that, thanks. Still, this makes it bearable until it is fixed, nothing more. It would be better for RIT to nip the whole GUI-thing in the bud and fix this single ... - well, let's call it a peculiarity for those vi-type characters. So what you're suggesting is that a hard line break should always be exactly that. I can understand that, and it would certainly make the auto-format option a lot more usable to me, too. So much that I could eventually turn it on permanently. :-) You could file a wish in BT and post the link here. I will support it. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) He attracted some attention when he found the fourth dimension, But he ain't got no rhythm. So no one's with him, The lonliest man in town. -- Billie Holiday Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.5 Return RC1 is now available
Hello MAU, Currently there is only few real bugs which are show-stoppers - AV on entering search (not for all), threading by references,... M H! I must admit I'm glad to hear that :) Are you glad to hear that they exist or that they are noticed? ;) -- 9Val Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.5 Return RC1 is now available
Hello 9Val, A reminder of what 9Val on TBBETA typed on: 03 May 2005 at 23:49:47 GMT +0200 9 Incorrect comparision. It's a perfect analogy. If I built a shoddy house people would lose confidence in my ability to build houses and buy them from elsewhere. If you release a shoddy software program to the public full of bugs people will lose confidence in you and go buy Eudora or continue with Outlook Express. I'm not talking from my point of view, I signed up voluntarily to test shoddy software as did everyone on this list and I expect it to be full of holes. I also expect my time and opinion to have a certain amount of value and not be totally ignored. Many people on here have reported what for them are show stopper glitches, a great many of which have been ignored and never fixed even though they are long standing issues. 9 I think only 5-10 users from this list can make real conclusions about 9 team members reputation. I'm not trying to make any conclusions about reputations, I'm just suggesting ways you can save or improve them. -- Tony. Using The Bat! v3.5 Return RC1 Windows XP Home SP2 Pentium IV, 2.4Ghz Home Built Desktop. :gentoo: www.gentoo.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.5 Return RC1 is now available
Hello Alto, A reminder of what Alto Speckhardt on TBBETA typed on: 03 May 2005 at 00:43:53 GMT +0200 AS Oh yes, I am flaming now! Call it boiling! :-((!! Calm down Alto. I wasn't trying to start a war, I was just trying to clarify a few things in my mind, trying to have a constructive debate rather than a flame war. I too have bought and paid for Poco, Xpress Plus, Eudora and dare I say it, Incredimail. The Bat even in this state beats all of them hands down and that's probably the root cause of my present anguish, I don't want to see TB! go downhill and lose it's reputation by the far too early release of a sub standard version. I'd rather wait an extra month for a good stable version than to be continually told Oh yes, we know about that bug every time I find one. -- Tony. Using The Bat! v3.5 Return RC1 Windows XP Home SP2 Pentium IV, 2.4Ghz Home Built Desktop. :gentoo: www.gentoo.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.5 Return RC1 is now available
Hello 9Val, Currently there is only few real bugs which are show-stoppers - AV on entering search (not for all), threading by references,... M H! I must admit I'm glad to hear that :) Are you glad to hear that they exist or that they are noticed? ;) No, I am glad to hear that (if I understood correctly) you consider them show-stoppers. Which should mean you intend to correct them before release :) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.5 Return RC1 is now available
Hi MAU, M No, I am glad to hear that (if I understood correctly) you consider them M show-stoppers. Which should mean you intend to correct them before M release :) Actually only references remained for you, AV on starting finder was fixed -- 9Val Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.5 Return RC1 is now available
Hello 9Val, M No, I am glad to hear that (if I understood correctly) you consider them M show-stoppers. Which should mean you intend to correct them before M release :) Actually only references remained for you, AV on starting finder was fixed I can perfectly live and work with 3.0.2.10, so personally I'm in no hurry. But I know there are other people (many?) who consider the threading by reference issue as an important bug. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.5 Return RC1 is now available
Hello George, This is not a bug, this is a feature :) I know, I have always maintained that. A feature that I don't like at all, but a feature. But other people consider it a bug :) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.5 Return RC1 is now available
On Wednesday, May 4, 2005 @ 1:46:17 AM [-0700], Tony Boom wrote: I too have bought and paid for Poco, Xpress Plus, Eudora and dare I say it, Incredimail. Oh my, Incredimail... The Bat even in this state beats all of them hands down So true. I've become frustrated with IMAP on many occasions and have run off to try the others. After about 10 minutes I realize that I cannot do all of the great things I was able to do with TB (Templates, filtering, etc) and come running home with my tail between my legs to give it another try. -- Matt Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.5 Return RC1 is now available
Hello Tony Boom everyone else, on 03-Mai-2005 at 23:07 you (Tony Boom) wrote: Yahoo Whats yahoo got to do with it? We're on TBBETA, not TBOT. :-) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) There is no sweeter sound than the crumbling of your fellow man. -- Groucho Marx Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.5 Return RC1 is now available
Hello Alto Speckhardt everyone else, on 04-Mai-2005 at 15:19 you (Alto Speckhardt) wrote: It is a little less than amusing to fight daily with a malfunctioning program for three years and then being assigned non-priority out of hand Three years? Well, if you're still using that bugpested program... ;-) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) I have made this letter longer than usual because I lack the time to make it shorter. -- Blaise Pascal Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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On Wednesday 04 May 2005 17:49, Matt Thoene wrote: After about 10 minutes I realize that I cannot do all of the great things I was able to do with TB Me too, tried them all there is only one other I like and I'm using it for a short while now, at least till I get TB transfered over. -- Tony. SuSE 9.2. Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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On Wednesday 04 May 2005 17:50, Alexander S. Kunz wrote: Whats yahoo got to do with it? We're on TBBETA, not TBOT. :-) Got to blame someone 'aint I? Besides, your the ONLY one that noticed:) -- Tony. SuSE 9.2. Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.5 Return RC1 is now available
Hello Alto, I'll grant that for e.g. TheBat not being able to use standard LF/CR handling in the editor. It hurts me every day, but if this is just TheBat's way I can't say much against it. What do you actually mean by not being able to use standard LF/CR handling in the editor? -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5 Return RC2 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.5 Return RC1 is now available
Hello Alto Speckhardt everyone else, on 04-Mai-2005 at 23:30 you (Alto Speckhardt) wrote: With Auto Format On you can't make a paragraph (by pressing Return) without inserting an empty line after it. If you try it the next line is drawn back to append the previous one - as it should not be. But a paragraph is always separated with an extra line. We're not writing books, we're writing emails. :-) And turning auto-format on/off is only a simple keyboard shortcut away. Now, if I could only remember it... :-) If you disable Auto Format then no formating is done to one paragraph in its own. Yo can have the first line only half full with no Return behind it, but now the next line is not drawn back - as it very well should be. Thats why I'm not using auto-format but press ALT-L (if need by, like when I insert something) when I'm completely done with typing a paragraph. That works no matter where the cursor is placed in the paragraph. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like bananas. Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.5 Return RC1 is now available
Hello Alto, M What do you actually mean by not being able to use standard LF/CR M handling in the editor? With Auto Format On you can't make a paragraph (by pressing Return) without inserting an empty line after it. If you try it the next line is drawn back to append the previous one - as it should not be. OK, understand. The thing is that I don't mind a blank line between paragraphs. Actually I think it helps to easier or more pleasant reading. If you disable Auto Format then no formating is done to one paragraph in its own. Yo can have the first line only half full with no Return behind it, but now the next line is not drawn back - as it very well should be. Yes, with Auto Format off you have to Alt+L (or Alt+J, ...) to reformat a paragraph. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5 Return RC2 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.5 Return RC1 is now available
Hello 9Val, A reminder of what 9Val on TBBETA typed on: 29 April 2005 at 22:48:33 GMT +0200 9 On the way, it was not enough stable to be included. Don't see any 9 sence to get a lot of AVs reports which are known for us But you still release an RC version that is still crawling alive with bugs that are also known to you? Forgive my ignorance but shouldn't a release candidate be devoid of virtually all known bugs before you release it? As much as I love TB I just can't understand the reasoning or rational of RITLABS in sending out new versions that are still full of known bugs, especially one that they consider ready for public release. I personally don't think this series is anywhere remotely close to being releasable, the list of known bugs is still a long as a Donky's Doo Dah. -- Tony. Using The Bat! v3.5 Return RC1 Windows XP Home SP2 Pentium IV, 2.4Ghz Home Built Desktop. :gentoo: www.gentoo.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.5 Return RC1 is now available
Tuesday, May 3, 2005, 8:15:59 AM, you wrote: Hello 9Val, A reminder of what 9Val on TBBETA typed on: 29 April 2005 at 22:48:33 GMT +0200 9 On the way, it was not enough stable to be included. Don't see any 9 sence to get a lot of AVs reports which are known for us But you still release an RC version that is still crawling alive with bugs that are also known to you? Forgive my ignorance but shouldn't a release candidate be devoid of virtually all known bugs before you release it? As much as I love TB I just can't understand the reasoning or rational of RITLABS in sending out new versions that are still full of known bugs, especially one that they consider ready for public release. I personally don't think this series is anywhere remotely close to being releasable, the list of known bugs is still a long as a Donky's Doo Dah. In total agreement Tony. I am in the race engineering business, a company has rushed into releasing an expensive new race car over here with a new engine and transmission. They are suffering immediate problems with engine and transmission and their credibility has suffered serious harm, IMO. I really don't think 3.5 is anywhere near what a paying end user should be expected to have as release version yet. -- Best regards, Chris Wilson The Bat 3.5 Return RC1 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build Number 2195 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.5 Return RC1 is now available
Hi Tony, TB If you know these will cause problems why not fix them *before* releasing TB the actual program? Because they are on *your* side in configuration files. There have some changes in format. -- 9Val Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.5 Return RC1 is now available
Tuesday, May 3, 2005, 11:42:54 AM, you wrote: Hi Tony, TB If you know these will cause problems why not fix them *before* releasing TB the actual program? Because they are on *your* side in configuration files. There have some changes in format. is the release version going to do a proper clean up and *AUTOMATICALLY* delete any config files iteither does not need, or are likely to cause trouble, hopefully backing them up somewhere if they might have user critical content? I hope the end user isn't expected to clean up FOR TB!! -- Best regards, Chris Wilson The Bat 3.5 Return RC1 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build Number 2195 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.5 Return RC1 is now available
Hello Chris, A reminder of what Chris Wilson on TBBETA typed on: 03 May 2005 at 12:52:26 GMT +0200 CW I hope the end user isn't expected to clean up FOR CW TB!! My point exactly. Every other piece of software I have, when I update it it does so with very little fuss without the need to delete numerous obsolete file, with very minimal user input and upon reboot it runs complete with previous settings. Oh, almost forgot, in almost every case without exception it has LESS bugs than the previous version. Sorry 9Val but if I was a RITLABS employee I would be very ashamed to put my name to a release version that still contains so many know bugs that have been reported, discussed and totally ignored for so long. From what I've read in the past few days, even IMAP is back to square one and your still considering releasing it to an unsuspecting public. The software market is pretty competitive and you won't gain much credibility in that market by continually releasing bug ridden crap software... Even less so when you know about the bugs before the release and still do nothing to fix them. It's working fine for me the way I use it, but not everyone uses it the same as me. -- Tony. Using The Bat! v3.5 Return RC1 Windows XP Home SP2 Pentium IV, 2.4Ghz Home Built Desktop. :gentoo: www.gentoo.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.5 Return RC1 is now available
Hallo Chris, On Tue, 3 May 2005 11:58:27 +0100GMT (3-5-2005, 12:58 +0200, where I live), you wrote: CW is the release version going to do a proper clean up and *AUTOMATICALLY* CW delete any config files iteither does not need, or are likely to cause CW trouble, hopefully backing them up somewhere if they might have user CW critical content? I hope the end user isn't expected to clean up FOR CW TB!! IIRC batskin.ini and tbuser.def were solely used in the betas, that's the price you pay -- Groetjes, Roelof Windws is ine for bckgroun comunicaions- Bll Gats, 192 The Bat! 3.5 Return RC1 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN pgp9EUNtq9Kaw.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hi Tony, TB My point exactly. Every other piece of software I have, when I update it TB it does so with very little fuss without the need to delete numerous TB obsolete file, with very minimal user input and upon reboot it runs TB complete with previous settings. It is not release version. You could blame us on this if it will happen in release. TB Sorry 9Val but if I was a RITLABS employee I would be very ashamed to put TB my name to a release version that still contains so many know bugs that TB have been reported, discussed and totally ignored for so long. For me hiding my name is like to relieve myself of responsibility. I'm not child to hide behind parents/other programmers/etc. My bugs are my bugs, they are presented and some of them even make somebody's life harder, blame me on them, but not in such patetical expressions. I know it is hard to believe that I'm not happy about bugs we have. Even if they are not my own. Do you believe or not, but I'm not happy even when am asked to make notice in beta-announce that some work should be done by end-user. It is harder both for me, for end-user and for other programmers, because can cause other hidden problems. But seems we are going to flame. -- 9Val Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.5 Return RC1 is now available
Hi Tony, On 03/05/2005 12:50 PM +0100, you wrote: My point exactly. Every other piece of software I have, when I update it it does so with very little fuss without the need to delete numerous obsolete file, with very minimal user input and upon reboot it runs complete with previous settings. When the alphas were released, we were told that they would involve using a series of files instead of the usual single executable. When I heard this, I knew that I had a choice to make. 1. I use the alpha with the plan to delete the extra files once they became obsolete. I took note of them and I've since removed them. I didn't really expect anything else from RIT. 2. Stay away from the alphas with the many files, until a more advanced package is released for testing. This was from v3.0.9.18. If it was migration from full release to another full release version that no longer used certain files, then it's up to RIT to ensure that the obsolete files are removed, especially if they interfere with operations of the new version. As to the prevailing problems, some of which have prevailed for long periods, it's indeed distressing though I see that 9Val and others are trying to make things better. I'll continue to test at intervals, but that last RC is disappointing for IMAP. I'll test as the fight continues because TB! IMAP development does seem to be making out to be a challenging task. -- Allie Martin System specs: http://www.ac-martin.com/sysspecs.htm -=-=- Tact: making a point without making an enemy. Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.5 Return RC1 is now available
Hello 9Val, A reminder of what 9Val on TBBETA typed on: 03 May 2005 at 15:20:08 GMT +0200 9 It is not release version. The name Release Candidate infers to me that it is very close to being such. 9 You could blame us on this if it will happen in release. So what your saying is all current known bugs will be totally fixed and eradicated before it's released? 9 But seems we are going to flame. No ones flaming, just my opinion. The Bat happens to be my most favourite program and I'd hate to see it's reputation degraded if not totally destroyed by releasing a sub standard version. I now you keep getting the When are we going to get another version posts from the more impatient members on this list but I would rather wait for something I could be proud to use and recommend to others rather than something I'm ashamed to admit I paid for. I'm not flaming anyone, I'm just trying to help. It's not my reputation that's at stake after all, it's yours. 9 You could blame us on this if it will happen in release. Now that you've committed that statement in writing, I expect many members of this list will blame you if the current crop of creepy crawlies make their way into the public release. -- Tony. Using The Bat! v3.5 Return RC1 Windows XP Home SP2 Pentium IV, 2.4Ghz Home Built Desktop. :gentoo: www.gentoo.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hi Tony, 9 You could blame us on this if it will happen in release. TB So what your saying is all current known bugs will be totally fixed and TB eradicated before it's released? 9 You could blame us on this if it will happen in release. TB Now that you've committed that statement in writing, I expect many members TB of this list will blame you if the current crop of creepy crawlies make TB their way into the public release. OK, perhaps we are not understanding each other, but I'll use history: // TB My point exactly. Every other piece of software I have, when I update it TB it does so with very little fuss without the need to delete numerous TB obsolete file, with very minimal user input and upon reboot it runs TB complete with previous settings. It is not release version. You could blame us on this if it will happen in release. // I was speaking about configuration files changes and manual working with them. Nothing more... -- 9Val Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello 9Val, A reminder of what 9Val on TBBETA typed on: 03 May 2005 at 16:14:44 GMT +0200 9 I was speaking about configuration files changes and manual working 9 with them. Nothing more... Oh, sorry. I thought we was talking about all the existing bugs, nothing for us to worry about then. -- Tony. Using The Bat! v3.5 Return RC1 Windows XP Home SP2 Pentium IV, 2.4Ghz Home Built Desktop. :gentoo: www.gentoo.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hi Gleason, GP So we can remove many of the problems we see by uninstalling TB, GP deleting the left over directories, and reinstalling? Never said anything like this. Look at thread start - we are discussing not abstract things, but concrete one - mostly un-avoidable deletion of batskin.xml and sometimes tbuser.def -- 9Val Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello Cees, A reminder of what Cees on TBBETA typed on: 03 May 2005 at 17:20:39 GMT +0200 C Would love to see some priority in fixing THAT. How far can you swim under water? :) -- Tony. Using The Bat! v3.5 Return RC1 Windows XP Home SP2 Pentium IV, 2.4Ghz Home Built Desktop. :gentoo: www.gentoo.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello George, A reminder of what George M. Menegakis on TBBETA typed on: 03 May 2005 at 15:38:06 GMT +0200 GMM Tony was harsh because he *cares* about the bat as all of us, loyal users *do* GMM care about the bat. I don't think I was at all harsh. I just said what everyone else is thinking. I've not seen any replies to the contrary anyway, other than from 9Val. And he has every right to defend his position but I do resent him suggesting I was flaming. I'm just confused at the name. I can't get my head around the fact that RC can even be considered as a name when so much work quite obviously has to be done before it can be released. I thought 9Val was assuring us that all these bugs would be fixed before it's release but then he covered himself by saying he was only referring to temporary files, no promise of fixing all know bugs before the release. Lets just wait and see what the actual release performs like. If it contains even a single known bug then we'll know that our job as beta testers is pointless. After all, what's the point of us reporting bugs if they just ignore the majority of them and go ahead and release the program anyway, complete with all the bugs. I just don't understand their working practice that's all. -- Tony. Using The Bat! v3.5 Return RC1 Windows XP Home SP2 Pentium IV, 2.4Ghz Home Built Desktop. :gentoo: www.gentoo.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.5 Return RC1 is now available
Cees, On 03-05-2005 17:19, you [C] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: C like IMAP totally NOT working. OK, IMAP is definitely not that bad here. C I see mail... switch account, go back to imapaccount and the mail is gone. Not here. C Filters still don't work. Work here. C Creating filters does not work. Works here. C Symcing is a drag... hardly works. Works here - with some connections sometimes hanging. -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 3.5 Return RC1 Pro /thebat version env. ~18 POP3, 1 IMAP (MailMax 5.5) 1 IMAP (Exchange 6.5), 175K msgs. /env. os Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 /os Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello Cees, A reminder of what Cees on TBBETA typed on: 03 May 2005 at 21:46:05 GMT +0200 C uh seven yards? :-P Oh dear, never mind :) Is it just me or is every signed message failing with this release? I noticed mine were and now I see your's has... Just looked back and all my posts prior to RC1 are fine, all my posts using RC1 fail, can anyone confirm this phenomena or is paranoia setting in? -- Tony. Using The Bat! v3.5 Return RC1 Windows XP Home SP2 Pentium IV, 2.4Ghz Home Built Desktop. :gentoo: www.gentoo.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello Peter, just now (on 05/03/2005 at 21:51) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: C like IMAP totally NOT working. OK, IMAP is definitely not that bad here. Really god here. Until Sunday I had synchronization turned on by fault. Don't know, why I did this some time ago - but *all* folder were set to synchronize new headers. Now, with no sync, since I read mail online and cache it, really everything works fine. - No false or empty body - No duplicate messages - FAST message loading C I see mail... switch account, go back to imapaccount and the mail is gone. Not here. See above, not with my actual settings! C Filters still don't work. Work here. Works great, except outgoing filters problem: mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] C Creating filters does not work. Works here. Perfect here, since I use TB!. C Symcing is a drag... hardly works. Works here - with some connections sometimes hanging. Also my problem - but, sorry, I don't have to use this. Cees, what settings do you have? Tried to turn sync completely off? 9Val, anything seen like my experience before? -- Bye Bye, Manuel, http://www.manuel-breitfeld.de The Bat! 3.5 Return RC1, Windows XP Prof. 5.1 Build 2600 SP2 Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hi Tony, just now (on 05/03/2005 at 22:09) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just looked back and all my posts prior to RC1 are fine, all my posts using RC1 fail, can anyone confirm this phenomena or is paranoia setting in? For me all your messages are signed fine. -- Bye, Manuel, http://www.manuel-breitfeld.de The Bat! 3.5 Return RC1, Windows XP Prof. 5.1 Build 2600 SP2 Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Really god here. Until Sunday I had synchronization turned on by fault. ^ 'good' of course. ;) -- Adios, Manuel, http://www.manuel-breitfeld.de The Bat! 3.5 Return RC1, Windows XP Prof. 5.1 Build 2600 SP2 Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello Manuel Breitfeld everyone else, on 03-Mai-2005 at 22:13 you (Manuel Breitfeld) wrote: Just looked back and all my posts prior to RC1 are fine, all my posts using RC1 fail, can anyone confirm this phenomena or is paranoia setting in? For me all your messages are signed fine. As above. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Deliplayer2 is playing: Words With The Shaman, Pt 3 - Awakening (5:21) by David Sylvian from the album 'Alchemy - An Index of Possibilities' Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.5 Return RC1 is now available
Hallo Tony, On Tue, 3 May 2005 21:09:52 +0100GMT (3-5-2005, 22:09 +0200, where I live), you wrote: TB Is it just me or is every signed message failing with this release? I TB noticed mine were and now I see your's has... TB Just looked back and all my posts prior to RC1 are fine, all my posts TB using RC1 fail, can anyone confirm this phenomena or is paranoia setting TB in? Confirmed. However, I checked a few of your messages with older versions and the read bad too. I guess that means that RC1 has a faulty check. -- Groetjes, Roelof It is dangerous to confuse children with angels. The Bat! 3.5 Return RC1 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN pgpOcO6dtKeDN.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello Tony, TB And he has every right to defend his position but I do resent TB him suggesting I was flaming. I'm sorry, perhaps I choose wrong word. My point was that direction your message goes, is quite clear and will give us another long thread. Any position makes me failed if I'll be against it will be simple flame, if I'll be silent you'll blame me and RitLabs in non-communicating and non-listening position. TB I'm just confused at the name. I can't get my head around the fact that RC TB can even be considered as a name when so much work quite obviously has to TB be done before it can be released. There are always a lot of work to be done. But you'll never go through desert if you wouldn't know where oasises are located. Release doesn't mean there is no bugs, it is just a stable enough milestone. TB I thought 9Val was assuring us that all these bugs would be fixed before TB it's release but then he covered himself by saying he was only referring TB to temporary files, no promise of fixing all know bugs before the release. Fix all known bugs? Have you seen bugtrack? It is impossible theoretically. Practically it is useless to try fix all the bugs. They have priority and all of them have own time to fix. Just look at the main purpose of this release - it has new GUI system. All our efforts are dedicated to it. Sure, we have fixed some other bugs, but look to Peter's list, it is mostly cleared. Now most problems are related to customization dialog which is completely re-worked and re-designed now, so I think most of the issues will disappear. Currently there is only few real bugs which are show-stoppers - AV on entering search (not for all), threading by references, and randomly AV (reported by Marck-Roelof-Gary). Sure, it will be better if other will be fixed too, but I don't think they are so critical to start new holy war. TB Lets just wait and see what the actual release performs like. If it TB contains even a single known bug then we'll know that our job as beta TB testers is pointless. I don't think so, but it is just my opinion. -- 9Val Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello Manuel, A reminder of what Manuel Breitfeld on TBBETA typed on: 03 May 2005 at 22:14:06 GMT +0200 MB For me all your messages are signed fine. Strange, they all report as being altered here. -- Tony. Using The Bat! v3.5 Return RC1 Windows XP Home SP2 Pentium IV, 2.4Ghz Home Built Desktop. :gentoo: www.gentoo.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello Alexander, A reminder of what Alexander S. Kunz on TBBETA typed on: 03 May 2005 at 22:24:27 GMT +0200 ASK As above. OK, so what's been altered here that's causing them to fail this end, is it Yahoo again? Can't remember changing anything here other than removing the icon xml file to get larger icons. -- Tony. Using The Bat! v3.5 Return RC1 Windows XP Home SP2 Pentium IV, 2.4Ghz Home Built Desktop. :gentoo: www.gentoo.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello Tony! On Tuesday, May 03, 2005, 3:09 PM, you wrote: it just me or is every signed message failing with this release? ... Just looked back and all my posts prior to RC1 are fine, all my posts using RC1 fail, can anyone confirm this phenomena or is paranoia setting in? Your signature verifies just fine, here. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.5 Return RC1 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello Tony, just now (on 05/03/2005 at 23:05) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MB For me all your messages are signed fine. Strange, they all report as being altered here. I checked again. alt+click on your Name and all your messages appear. Checked about 30 and did go back to January - all are fine. -- Bye, Manuel, http://www.manuel-breitfeld.de The Bat! 3.5 Return RC1, Windows XP Prof. 5.1 Build 2600 SP2 Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello 9Val, A reminder of what 9Val on TBBETA typed on: 03 May 2005 at 22:54:45 GMT +0200 I'm a bit too tied to answer in full tonight but I'll comment on this for now. Bearing in mind this is a question not a sarky remark. 9 Fix all known bugs? Have you seen bugtrack? If, by your own admission as above, the list of bugs is so long, why not concentrate on fixing them *instead* of introducing a plethora of new features which consequently makes that list longer, makes the bugs harder to track down and harder to fix? If I built a house (I'm a Bricklayer) that had a leaky roof, I'd fix that roof before starting to build another house. Otherwise I might end up with a whole street full of houses all with roofs that leak and I'd probably end up with a bad reputation as a builder not to mention a street full of houses I couldn't sell. Professional reputation is the same be it for a road sweep or a software programmer. -- Tony. Using The Bat! v3.5 Return RC1 Windows XP Home SP2 Pentium IV, 2.4Ghz Home Built Desktop. :gentoo: www.gentoo.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello Mary, A reminder of what Mary Bull on TBBETA typed on: 03 May 2005 at 23:14:38 GMT +0200 MB Your signature verifies just fine, here. Thank you Mary, that means the problem is my end. Hello Manuel, A reminder of what Manuel Breitfeld on TBBETA typed on: 03 May 2005 at 23:17:57 GMT +0200 MB I checked again. alt+click on your Name and all your messages appear. MB Checked about 30 and did go back to January - all are fine. Ditto as above. Had to look twice then, thought I'd done something wrong as both your initials are the same :) Off to bed now. -- Tony. Using The Bat! v3.5 Return RC1 Windows XP Home SP2 Pentium IV, 2.4Ghz Home Built Desktop. :gentoo: www.gentoo.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.5 Return RC1 is now available
Hello Tony, TB If I built a house (I'm a Bricklayer) that had a leaky roof, I'd fix that TB roof before starting to build another house. Otherwise I might end up TB with a whole street full of houses all with roofs that leak and I'd TB probably end up with a bad reputation as a builder not to mention a TB street full of houses I couldn't sell. Incorrect comparision. House is built once. It has a project to satisfy all needs of customer or group of customers. That customer pays fully for all project work. When project is finished it is not changed (cosmetical changes rarely leak roof ;-) ). Software is from different category. One of the major differences - it always changes. Sometimes only cosmetical, sometimes it needs change of roof, sometimes walls are reconstructed. It is made for wider usage (I mean shareware) and therefore will never achieve the same stability and efficiency like custom planned and made program. Like houses, builded for offices or living will never be the same comfortable and beautiful like private houses. TB Professional reputation is the same be it for a road sweep or a software TB programmer. Agree, but end-user of road couldn't appreciate the work of each person of road-makers, he could appreciate only the road itself and make conclusions about road-maker company. Same with developers - I think only 5-10 users from this list can make real conclusions about team members reputation. -- 9Val Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.5 Return RC1 is now available
Hello 9Val, Currently there is only few real bugs which are show-stoppers - AV on entering search (not for all), threading by references,... H! I must admit I'm glad to hear that :) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.5 Return RC1 is now available
Hello Alto, But you apparently chose to blatantly ignore the fact that you're selling a non-functioning product and you don't give a hoot about it! Calm down bit. How many e-mail clients are there available in the market? Why choose The Bat!? No software of this kind will ever satisfy every user 100%. If your % of satisfaction with TB is as low as it seems from your message, why suffer? Go find another one. In your previous post you mentioned you tried Thunderbird, Opera, Mulberry, why not stick with one of them? Because they don't have some of the functionality TB has and you like? Well, you can always ask their corresponding manufacturers to include what you want in a new version, can't you? Let's be reasonable. We are talking about a magnificent and quite complex piece of software (and therefore with bugs) that anyone can purchase for only 35 Euro after evaluating it for one whole month. If after purchasing and using it for some time (years in your case, I think) someone finds his/her % of satisfaction is low, why suffer? Look for another one, buy it and use it happily. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.5 Return RC1 is now available
Hello 9Val, A reminder of what 9Val on TBBETA typed on: 29 April 2005 at 20:17:10 GMT +0200 9 Forgot to say. If you'll find something wrong with icon sizes - remove 9 batskin.xml and restart 9 And secodn - there could be problem with toolbars menu. It has 2 9 solutions: If you know these will cause problems why not fix them *before* releasing the actual program? Or am I just being silly? -- Tony. Using The Bat! v3.5 Return RC1 Windows XP Home SP2 Pentium , 2.4Ghz Home Built Desktop. :gentoo: www.gentoo.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello Peter, A reminder of what Peter Ouwehand on TBBETA typed on: 29 April 2005 at 21:25:13 GMT +0200 PO I'd like to have such smaller icons. How did you do that ??? ;) I'd like to be able to switch between the two without having to delete or restore files. -- Tony. Using The Bat! v3.5 Return RC1 Windows XP Home SP2 Pentium , 2.4Ghz Home Built Desktop. :gentoo: www.gentoo.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.5 Return RC1 is now available
Hi all and especially 9Val, 9 The Bat! 3.5 Return RC1 is now available from: 9 http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/ I've been browsing on the list for quite a while now but so far refrained from trying a beta myself because after each release there seemed to be quite some unresolved bugs. Since the newest version is called RC I decided to give it a shot. Gentlemen, no offense, but - it took you twenty betas to come up with _this_?? In the not even ten minutes I testet I got AVs (in the exact same place as with the last release version!), the UI showed bugs (slight, non critical ones to be fair) and, worst of all, the IMAP has not improved one single scratch! I set IMAP to five connections and requestet new mail. Four of the five connections were gone in the blink of an eye, the last one (sync inbox, the only one that really had work to do) hung as usual. On watching the line I could witness that as with the previous release version not one single byte was transfered, TheBat was just sitting there doing nothing - again, as usual. I've heard over and over that the problem with IMAP would not be one of TheBat but with my provider, GMX. This is a lousy excuse for not being able to hack it. (Sorry, but that is the precise description for the situation.) Any other IMAP-client I tried (Thunderbird, Opera, Mulberry) has absolutely no problem with GMX. Either fix the IMAP or admit failure and remove it. What I've seen today is no RC, it does hardly warrant a 0.0.0.1 version number increase! Highly disappointed that in all the time since 3.0.1.33, RIT did - to effect - not a darn thing, Alto -- MfG, Altomailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgpVn2f0oxudW.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
IMAP Improved or Not (was: Re: The Bat! 3.5 Return RC1 is now available)
Hi Alto, On 30/4/2005 4:19 PM +0200, you wrote: Gentlemen, no offense, but - it took you twenty betas to come up with _this_?? ... worst of all, the IMAP has not improved one single scratch! v3.0.9.18 was the best I tried in this series. Not bad at all but it had problems as I already posted. A couple have been addressed and seem to work. However, this RC1 has backslid quite significantly. I'm now revisited by the problem of auto-filtering working only sporadically. I no longer experience reasonably smooth IMAP operations, with their being frequent unexpected delays with messages being loaded and at times, requiring reloading for me to see a message body. The same happens for folders on initially opening them. Quite often, nothing happens, with my having to select another folder then returning to the one I originally wanted to browse before it finally loads as it should. The troubling part is the inconsistency. My worsening problems quite likely is accompanied by the opposite experience for others in that things have improved for them. -- Allie Martin System specs: http://www.ac-martin.com/sysspecs.htm -=-=- The only thing shorter than a weekend is a vacation. Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.5 Return RC1 is now available
Hello Alto Speckhardt everyone else, on 30-Apr-2005 at 16:19 you (Alto Speckhardt) wrote: Highly disappointed that in all the time since 3.0.1.33, RIT did - to effect - not a darn thing ...regarding IMAP. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. (Winston Churchill) Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.5 Return RC1 is now available
Hello 9Val, Friday, April 29, 2005, 7:10:47 PM, you wrote: Hello All, The Bat! 3.5 Return RC1 is now available from: http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/ Here is a short list of changes: ... OK so I have nee out of the loop for some time, but what happened to some of the menu keyboard. e.g. Mark as junk Alt+s K -- Best regards, Davidmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The Bat! 3.5 Return RC1 Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP Improved or Not (was: Re: The Bat! 3.5 Return RC1 is now available)
Hi Allie Martin - On Sat, 30 Apr 2005, at 10:47:44 [GMT -0500] (which was 8:47 AM where I live) you wrote: snip v3.0.9.18 was the best I tried in this series. Not bad at all but it had problems as I already posted. A couple have been addressed and seem to work. However, this RC1 has backslid quite significantly. I'm now revisited by the problem of auto-filtering working only sporadically. I no longer experience reasonably smooth IMAP operations, with their being frequent unexpected delays with messages being loaded and at times, requiring reloading for me to see a message body. The same happens for folders on initially opening them. Quite often, nothing happens, with my having to select another folder then returning to the one I originally wanted to browse before it finally loads as it should. snip I totally agree. I have the same problems you mention under the exact seem circumstances. Was better in past beta's. -- Best Regards, Kevin PGP Keys: idap://keyserver.pgp.com idap://europe.keys.pgp.com:11370 Using The Bat! v3.5 Return RC1 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 pgpBRNcwga5n9.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.5 Return RC1 is now available
Hi 9Val, Forgot to say. If you'll find something wrong with icon sizes - remove batskin.xml and restart And secodn - there could be problem with toolbars menu. It has 2 solutions: 1. complete delete of tbuser.def 2. Robo recipe: you should see there something like item [unknown].[unknown] replace it with system item [TOOLBAR_MENU] everywhere in tbuser.def -- 9Val Current beta is 3.0.9.20 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.5 Return RC1 is now available
Hello 9Val, [-] Other : mixing glyphs and new png :-((( That's certainly a pity (and a PITA) for my old tired eyes that have problems differentiating the slightly different shades of blue of older, etc. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5 Return RC1 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello MAU, problems differentiating the slightly different shades of blue of older, ^folders -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5 Return RC1 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello 9Val, [-] Minor : follow-up, selection and 'Open link' Confirm as fixed. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5 Return RC1 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello 9Val, [-] mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] In context menu of Folder View: Reply to All quoting selected text is missing. Also missing in context menu of the Main window and Message Finder window. Unless I have missed something on this issue, I can't find Reply to All quoting selected text in any context menu. On 3.0.9.20 it was at least available on message list context under Specials. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5 Return RC1 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello 9Val, [-] Other : mixing glyphs and new png not fixed. I must still use 'batskin.INI' and 'batskin.XML' to manage the Icons from outside glyph. The favorite entries are not correctly represented - furthermore not usable. :( mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- best regards Miroslav BAT-MAIL.DE.VU - http://bat-mail.de.vu News-Ticker: http://thebat.orgavision.de/bat-mail.xml Klipfolio Klip: http://thebat.orgavision.de/klipfolio Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello Miroslav, [-] Other : mixing glyphs and new png not fixed. I must still use 'batskin.INI' and 'batskin.XML' to manage the Icons from outside glyph. sorry, my mistake - confirmed as fixed. -- best regards Miroslav BAT-MAIL.DE.VU - http://bat-mail.de.vu News-Ticker: http://thebat.orgavision.de/bat-mail.xml Klipfolio Klip: http://thebat.orgavision.de/klipfolio Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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On Friday, April 29, 2005 @ 11:16:47 AM [-0700], 9Val wrote: Forgot to say. If you'll find something wrong with icon sizes - remove batskin.xml and restart Hmm...I AM having a problem with icon sizes but I do NOT have batskin.xml in my TB root directory. What else could be the problem? -- Mattattachment: icons.png Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello Miroslav, [-] Other : mixing glyphs and new png not fixed. I must still use 'batskin.INI' and 'batskin.XML' to manage the Icons from outside glyph. sorry, my mistake - confirmed as fixed. Do you mean you can use external glyphs? -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5 Return RC1 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello Simon, Attached screen image shows the menu available at this end, can you see this? Sorry, I was looking for this option on message list context under Specials. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5 Return RC1 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello George, It is on the context menu of the message view pane on the menu Message Sorry, I never looked there. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5 Return RC1 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello Gleason, That's certainly a pity (and a PITA) for my old tired eyes that have problems differentiating the slightly different shades of blue of older, etc. This could be the solution for the half icons that were visible throughout the program. The half icons are now full. I never had the half icons problem. But even the toolbar icons are now small. I like having toolbar icons larger. The little marker icons can be smaller. Yes, it is hard to tell what the toolbar icons are when they are so small. They are the same size as with previous betas for me. Hmmm! Here we go again with one of those issues/problems that happen to some but not to others. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5 Return RC1 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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9Val, Confirm that icon sizes are not cut in half throughout the program. Confirm that check box functions are no longer reversed. Loading the Imap folder hierarchy at program startup remains a problem. The first time, I get two inboxes with folder lists. Second time I get three, Third time I get four, etc. Opening the Manage IMAP Folders windows corrects the situation. After that, TB will return to starting with two lists next time. The lists at start are no longer scrambled, and are complete except for one folder containing 42 subfolders. -- Gleason Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello Matt, MT Hmm...I AM having a problem with icon sizes but I do NOT have MT batskin.xml in my TB root directory. What else could be the problem? Check both mail directory and exe directory for it -- 9Val Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello Gleason, GP Confirm that icon sizes are not cut in half throughout the GP program. Confirm that check box functions are no longer reversed. Sorry, don't get both points GP Loading the Imap folder hierarchy at program startup remains a GP problem. The first time, I get two inboxes with folder lists. GP Second time I get three, Third time I get four, etc. Opening GP the Manage IMAP Folders windows corrects the situation. After GP that, TB will return to starting with two lists next time. The GP lists at start are no longer scrambled, and are complete except GP for one folder containing 42 subfolders. Do you use multiple connections? Does switching to single-connection mode help? -- 9Val Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello MAU, Do you mean you can use external glyphs? Yes, you need only the XML-File. I adapted the XML-File to the new conditions and it works as I expected it. -- best regards Miroslav BAT-MAIL.DE.VU - http://bat-mail.de.vu News-Ticker: http://thebat.orgavision.de/bat-mail.xml Klipfolio Klip: http://thebat.orgavision.de/klipfolio Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello Miroslav, Do you mean you can use external glyphs? Yes, you need only the XML-File. I adapted the XML-File to the new conditions and it works as I expected it. Would you mind sending me by PM your XML file so I can take a look at what you've done? -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5 Return RC1 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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On Friday, April 29, 2005, 20:16:47, 9Val wrote: Forgot to say. If you'll find something wrong with icon sizes - remove batskin.xml and restart Is it possible to do anything to get the icons to display with proper colors when using Office2003 theme? -- Jernej Simoncic http://deepthought.ena.si/ [The Bat! v3.5 Return RC1 on Windows NT Clone 5.2.3790.Service Pack 1] Trivial matters are handled promptly; important matters are never resolved. -- Gresham's Law Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello 9Val! On Friday, April 29, 2005, 1:16 PM, you wrote: Forgot to say. If you'll find something wrong with icon sizes - remove batskin.xml and restart They were indeed too tiny to see. And this did fix that. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.5 Return RC1 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello MAU everyone else, on 29-Apr-2005 at 21:52 you (MAU) wrote: Hmmm! Here we go again with one of those issues/problems that happen to some but not to others. Sounds like it depends on whether (and when) you tried to use use external glyphs with either the .ini or the .xml file definitions. I'd suggest to move all customisations and external files to a save place and try again with the only new files from the 3.0.9.x beta cycle being the .exe and the props.dll - and then see what and if/how customisations work. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Deliplayer2 is playing: Seacht Suailce Na Maighdine Muire (3:33) by Hector Zazou from the album 'Lights In The Dark' Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.5 Return RC1 is now available
Hello 9Val On Friday, April 29, 2005, 2:10:47 PM +0400 GMT You wrote: 9 Hello All, 9 The Bat! 3.5 Return RC1 is now available from: 9 http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/ 9 Here is a short list of changes: 9 [-] Other : AV on saving view mode to newly created 9 [-] Other : mixing glyphs and new png 9 [-] Minor : improvements in account tree behaviour 9 [-] Minor : follow-up, selection and 'Open link' 9 [-] mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 9 When you delete the last message of a folder in folder view, folder 9 view don't close automatically but stays open. (Bug because I don't 9 see the sense of empty folder view and it was auto closed in earlier 9 versions). 9 [-] mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 9 Status-bar pop-ups in Edit Mail Message window: 9 [-] mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 9 [View | Attached Files] after a restart always indicates 9 'Show as Pane' although the actual option used is 'Show as Button'. 9 In Main, View Folder and Message Finder windows. 9 [-] mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 9 In context menu of Folder View: Reply to All quoting selected text 9 is missing. 9 Also missing in context menu of the Main window and Message Finder 9 window. 9 [-] mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 9 Checkmarks in 9 [ View | Character set] 9 are not remembered between restarts. 9 [-] mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 9 'View folder' window [View | Memo auto view] menu: 9 Isn't correct updated, if you close memo auto view with ESC 9 [-] Moving the menu toolbar in the search Window, hangs the toolbar in 9 a wrong position Ack, I still don't like it The day the subject or reference sort threat will get rid of the bold for every first post, I'll switch that bugs me a lot to have the primary email in bold even if all emails are read -- The Final Cut Have become comfortably numb.. TheBat 3.0.2.10 http://finalcut.ca/finalcut.asc pgpCmSt4FqQQE.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello George, GMM ,- [ ] GMM | 29.04TB! 3.5 (Return) Release Candidate 1 GMM | It will differ from .20 only with bug fixes and ability to GMM | create/maintain containers in customizer and re-design of GMM | customizer. GMM `- GMM What about it? On the way, it was not enough stable to be included. Don't see any sence to get a lot of AVs reports which are known for us -- 9Val Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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On Friday, April 29, 2005 @ 12:25:31 PM [-0700], Peter Ouwehand wrote: MT Hmm...I AM having a problem with icon sizes but I do NOT have MT batskin.xml in my TB root directory. What else could be the problem? I'd like to have such smaller icons. How did you do that ??? ;) I have no idea! It just happened after I installed RC1. -- Matt Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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On Friday, April 29, 2005 @ 12:53:12 PM [-0700], 9Val wrote: MT Hmm...I AM having a problem with icon sizes but I do NOT have MT batskin.xml in my TB root directory. What else could be the problem? Check both mail directory and exe directory for it No batskin.xml in the mail directory. I do not have an exe directory. -- Matt Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hi 9Val, Friday, April 29, 2005 you let us know -at least in parts- : The Bat! 3.5 Return RC1 is now available I am happy to say that the split message by xxx is no longer giving me a headache: I finally can type in any number that is needed. Thank you! Why didn't you mention it? Cheers! :batwine: -- kind regards Charlene Ferrara mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.5 Return RC1 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Skype: charleneferrara Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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On Friday, April 29, 2005 @ 2:03:28 PM [-0700], Matt Thoene wrote: MT Hmm...I AM having a problem with icon sizes but I do NOT have MT batskin.xml in my TB root directory. What else could be the problem? Check both mail directory and exe directory for it No batskin.xml in the mail directory. I do not have an exe directory. Oh Matt...pull your head out! Turns out I was using a shortcut that pointed to the correct thebat.exe, but the Start in: line was pointing to a different directory that DID have batskin.xml. Nevermind :) -- Matt Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
