Re: Folder settings (was: Changing message replyto via filter)

2001-03-30 Thread Lars Geiger

Hi Dwight,
On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, at 19:01:16 -0600 you wrote:

 What folders I have created up to now, of course, I didn't know
 I needed to do this, but if I had known it wouldn't have saved
 me on most of my folders.  Starting out by setting up 5
 accounts, there are 20 folders created immediately (inbox,
 outbox, sent and trash * 5). Most of the other fifty are
 imported folders, not ones I have created in TB.

If you want to change the settings for all folders (at least for
all of one account) I would suggest using the keyboard. That's a
pretty fast way for doing such a general change. Mark the first
folder and press ALTENTER, ALTU, ENTER, DOWNARROW.
You can repeat this sequence until all your folder settings are
corrected.

 On the subject of importing and wishlists -- It sure would be
 nice to be able to import address books.
 
It *is* possible to import address books. Not all formats out in
the world, I agree, but you can import LDIF or CSV, and most
programs can export to one of these. Or third party tools like
Dawn can do the export.

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Re: Viewing Messages

2001-03-30 Thread Norbert Lieckfeldt

Dierk

On 29 Mar 2001, you wrote in BAT:

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Hello Marck!

On Thursday, March 29, 2001 at 12:19:30 AM you wrote:

 Because it doesn't work reliably. Also, it gives me an opportunity
 to strike a pathetic blow against the rising tide with my HTML
 Quick Template.

- From the balcony comes loud cheering: "Bravo!"

I hope people would learn how to actually *use* a software.

In the light of your comments re html and seeing that your signature
separator is incorrect (I had to delete it manually in this reply)
and your signature consists of (counting, counting...) 18 lines
instead of the four (max) that are usually recommended, perhaps you
could improve on that. 

I have never seen a list with so much information (redundant, in my
view) at the bottom of many mails. If you would like the world to
know what mailer and what OS you're using, isn't there a facility in
The Bat that would allow extra headers to be inserted, as in 
X-Mailer: The Bat 1.51, etc? 

Why put a PGP signature at the bottom of a mailing to a list, other
than for the simple reason that The Bat can? I have been reading this
list on a newsreader which usually strips out these things, and many
set their reader to reject html mails - but they also reject anything
without correct signature separators or too long signatures.

That's one rant off my chest.

Norbert

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PGP (Was Re[2]: Viewing Messages)

2001-03-30 Thread David Elliott

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On 30 March 2001 at 10:01:46 +0100 (which was 10:01 where I live) Norbert
Lieckfeldt wrote

 In the light of your comments re html and seeing that your signature
 separator is incorrect

His cut line is correct (Explanation further down)

 I had to delete it manually in this reply

(Thank you)

I would give you a regex to improve your templates but as you are not using
The Bat! I don't know if it would work.

 and your signature consists of (counting, counting...) 18 lines instead
 of the four (max) that are usually recommended, perhaps you could improve
 on that.

No it is not it is actually 9 lines (including 4 blank lines) as well as 9
PGP signature lines. He is also stating his MUA and OS platform which are
considered good practise on this list.

 Why put a PGP signature at the bottom of a mailing to a list,

Because that is where PGP puts it.

 other than for the simple reason that The Bat can? I have been reading
 this list on a newsreader which usually strips out these things, and many
 set their reader to reject html mails - but they also reject anything
 without correct signature separators or too long signatures.

For your information when PGP signs an email it must know when it starts
and when it finishes it does this by
[-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-]
to start the message and
[-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-]
[-END PGP SIGNATURE-]
for the PGP signature. Any lines in the email that start with [-] are
preceded with [- ]. There for a cut line will go from [--] to [- --].

The reason for using PGP

You can add a digital signature to your message, so your recipients will
know that the message came from you and is exactly what you said!

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Re: PGP (Was Re[2]: Viewing Messages)

2001-03-30 Thread Thomas

Hi David,

On Fri, 30 Mar 2001 10:44:05 +0100GMT (30/03/2001, 17:44 +0800GMT),
David Elliott wrote:

 Why put a PGP signature at the bottom of a mailing to a list,

DE Because that is where PGP puts it.

He means: why PGP-sign postings to a mailing list.

DE for the PGP signature. Any lines in the email that start with [-] are
DE preceded with [- ]. There for a cut line will go from [--] to [- --].

Good reason not to PGP-sign messages on a mailing list.

DE The reason for using PGP

DE You can add a digital signature to your message, so your recipients will
DE know that the message came from you and is exactly what you said!

Very true and important for private mail. Also, for the moderators
here on this list, so that we know they are they. Provided you
verify each PGP-signed message. Do you really do that?

- In other words, we are starting the old discussion whether postings
on mailing lists should be PGP-signed or not.

Flame away! eg

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Re: Viewing Messages

2001-03-30 Thread Lars Geiger

Hi Norbert,
On Fri, 30 Mar 2001, at 10:01:46 +0100 you wrote:

 In the light of your comments re html and seeing that your
 signature separator is incorrect (I had to delete it manually
 in this reply)

It is a correct signature delimiter which was changed by PGP and
still is a correct delimiter.

 and your signature consists of (counting, counting...) 18 lines
 instead of the four (max) that are usually recommended, perhaps
 you could improve on that.

It is 4 lines long, including 4 blank lines (each one a 2 byte
increase in message size. Not too much, I'd say). And his PGP
signature which is generally not counted as signature on this
list.

 I have never seen a list with so much information (redundant,
 in my view) at the bottom of many mails.

It is recommended to have this information in your signature,
because it makes helping and bug tracking easier. You need not
hunt down a bug that was corrected some versions ago :-)

 Why put a PGP signature at the bottom of a mailing to a list,
 other than for the simple reason that The Bat can?

I don't think anyone here uses PGP just because "The Bat can".
It's up to everybody to decide if they want to send their
messages with or without a PGP signature.

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Re: Viewing Messages

2001-03-30 Thread A Curtis Martin

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On Fri, 30 Mar 2001 10:01:46 +0100, Norbert graced us with these comments:

moderator note

In case this develops into a large thread let me make official comments on
a few of your points.

NL In the light of your comments re html and seeing that your signature
NL separator is incorrect (I had to delete it manually in this reply) and
NL your signature consists of (counting, counting...) 18 lines instead of
NL the four (max) that are usually recommended, perhaps you could improve
NL on that.

Yes, we encourage posters to restrict their signatures to no more than 6
lines, the purpose of the signature being to convey personal information
about the sender and also, important system information if applicable.

PGP signatures are not included in the line count.

NL I have never seen a list with so much information (redundant, in my
NL view) at the bottom of many mails. If you would like the world to know
NL what mailer and what OS you're using, isn't there a facility in The
NL Bat that would allow extra headers to be inserted, as in X-Mailer: The
NL Bat 1.51, etc?

The reason for the netiquette rule to reduce signature lines is to reduce
bandwidth wastage. Placing the same information in the message headers
doesn't address that issue.

Since this is a support group, we ask that posters include information in
their signatures on what OS they're using. It's very often relevant to
problems posted and saves us having to ask. We've already travelled the
road of this information not being included in many messages and actually
requested that it be included after seeing the numerous queries for that
information.

NL Why put a PGP signature at the bottom of a mailing to a list, other
NL than for the simple reason that The Bat can?

PGP signing a message authenticates it. It may seem a waste of time and
unnecessary to you but others may feel otherwise. It's not our intention
to unnecessarily restrict users provided that their practice doesn't
excessively impact on bandwidth.

You may wish to compare PGP signing to long signature files in terms of
their being comparable in bandwidth wastage. However, long signature files
invariably contain highly redundant information that will not interest the
intended audience and the very purpose of your signature is to convey
useful information to your recipients.

\moderator note

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Re: Address book hassle

2001-03-30 Thread Karin Spaink

On 28-03-2001 at 20:52, Ming-Li kindly wrote:
 On Wednesday, March 28, 2001 at 20:19:23 +0200 Karin Spaink wrote:

 For friends, I have set up a small network (two computers,
 both running WinNT) using TheBat. The program resides on
 computer A. All users have their own accounts, plus they
 have access to the company's main account. There is also an
 admin account, from which you can access all other accounts.
 The address book resides in d:\thebat\admin .
 The hassle is that they keep "losing" the address book.

 I believe you're using one of the newest version (older versions
 store the information in the registry),

The use TB 1.51.

 so AFAIK the only place TB
 stores the location and name of the ABs in use in "AddrBook.INI"
 under the main directory of the message base (or the "working
 directory" as TB calls it). Please check all network HDs to see if
 there're other copies of the same .ini elsewhere.

There's only one AddrBook.ini and it listed the correct
place.

 How do they normally use the computers? Do you log-in (into Windows,
 not TB) with different accounts? If so, I suspect there're some
 discrepancies as to where the "working directory" is at. The
 location is stored in the registry under the key:
 HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT\The Bat!
 Since every Windows account has its own "HKEY_CURRENT_USER" tree,
 they might not share the same value for the "Working Directory"
 entry. And there are two computers, each with its own user accounts.

Right. Indeed most users had a wrong key there, which I have
dutifully corrected. The problem seems to be fixed now.
Thanks!

But this means that although AddrBook.ini is supposed to
tell the program where to look for the address book,
actually the registry entry takes precedence...




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Re: Mangled messages in hypertext

2001-03-30 Thread Dierk Haasis

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Hello Mal!

On Thursday, March 29, 2001 at 6:03:10 PM you wrote:

 I receive hypertext from one particular mailing list sender where the lines of text
 are broken up into many one, two, and three word lines. What's going
 on?

"Hypertext" as in HTML? then I would bet on bad programming on the
senders side.


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Re: HTML emails

2001-03-30 Thread Dierk Haasis

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Hello syv!

On Thursday, March 29, 2001 at 6:19:33 PM you wrote:

 Now it does it only displays:

 !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"

 html
 head
 meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"
 

 It does not have the ASCII tab and the HTML tab like it
 use to. The split mode is: full width preview pane.

 Any suggestion?

I sometimes receive "broken" HTML messages. They are not recognised as
such and display the pure text. Remember, HTML is nothing else but an
ASCII file, i.e. like a batch file. If something went wrong in
programming it or in the headers (or wherever TB! gets its info) TB!
won't recognize it and show it as pure text.

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Re: Changing message replyto via filter

2001-03-30 Thread Dierk Haasis

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Hello Marck!

On Thursday, March 29, 2001 at 10:18:57 PM you wrote:

DAC This is good.  Is there some way one can tell when looking at a
DAC message or a mail box that a message has a memo, or does one need to
DAC flag the message to tell?

 The "Memo" has a column which can be selected for display in message
 lists.

What about "Memo Auto-View"? I think that is what he needs.

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Re: PGP (Was Re[2]: Viewing Messages)

2001-03-30 Thread Dierk Haasis

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Hello Thomas!

On Friday, March 30, 2001 at 11:59:32 AM you wrote:

 Good reason not to PGP-sign messages on a mailing list.

 Very true and important for private mail. Also, for the moderators
 here on this list, so that we know they are they. Provided you
 verify each PGP-signed message. Do you really do that?

 - In other words, we are starting the old discussion whether postings
 on mailing lists should be PGP-signed or not.

OK, once again: I think it is good to have *every* mail signed (full
stop). And TB! does it for me automatically.

BTW, I really am verifying messages from this list.

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OT A not so private comment (was: Re: Viewing Messages)

2001-03-30 Thread Dierk Haasis

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Hello Norbert!

On Friday, March 30, 2001 at 11:01:46 AM you wrote:

 In the light of your comments re html and seeing that your signature
 separator is incorrect (I had to delete it manually in this reply)
 and your signature consists of (counting, counting...) 18 lines
 instead of the four (max) that are usually recommended, perhaps you
 could improve on that.

 Norbert

Most of it is answered by others and I thank them.

1. Do you use a sig del?

2. There are always options and possibilities in a software one will
discover only with time. My comment about usage was a (slightly
overdone) comment out of experience especially with OE users.

To elaborate a bit on the last point: I really want software that is
self-explanatory, easy to use and does what the user wants it to do.
Since over time the "standard" programmes have developed more and more
features (demanded by buyers) they are far from my ideal. Some
companies have decided to set defaults that are non-standard, annoying
or plain dangerous. Additionally people in offices use computers as a
tool to do work which has nothing to do with computers. Most of them
don't know how to find the options and don't know anything about it.

A girl friend of mine had to change computers in the office, sent me a
superfluously HTMLed message and needed her sys ad to change this -
yes! - stupid option in Outlook. It took a week.

Sorry for all this wasted time and bandwidth; I hope this cleared up
some of my "ranting" lately.


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Re[2]: PGP (Was Re[2]: Viewing Messages)

2001-03-30 Thread David Elliott

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On 30 March 2001 at 15:03:08 +0200 (which was 14:03 where I live) Dierk
Haasis schrieb durchdacht das folgende

 OK, once again: I think it is good to have *every* mail signed (full
 stop). And TB! does it for me automatically.

So do I.

 BTW, I really am verifying messages from this list.

Verify this one ;?

PS I liked the last quote.

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Re: incoming messages

2001-03-30 Thread Dierk Haasis

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Hello Ming-Li!

On Thursday, March 29, 2001 at 5:52:01 PM you wrote:

 If you need help from the group, please post the complete filter
 settings. E.g., what's the filter strings you use, and how you set
 up the relationship (how you do the "OR"--with the pipe operator or
 with alternative rule sets), etc.

Found out myself now (I hope); it is something I find really funny,
and the joke is on me:

When I first had the prob (which I still have not found out why it
happened), I defined an alternative rule "haasis Sender Yes AND tbot
Kludges No"). Since it's main rule "Haasis Sender Yes" already had
caught the messages and put them in another folder, they ended up
wrongly and were not filtered further.

I don't know why my simple main rule catches the TBOT messages but I
have now changed it to "Haasis Sender Yes AND tbot Kludges No").



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Re: PGP

2001-03-30 Thread Thomas

Hallo Dierk,

On Fri, 30 Mar 2001 15:03:08 +0200 GMT (30/03/2001, 21:03 +0800 GMT),
Dierk Haasis wrote:

DH OK, once again: I think it is good to have *every* mail signed (full
DH stop). And TB! does it for me automatically.

...and it needs a RegEx in order to recognize your sig-delimiter.

DH BTW, I really am verifying messages from this list.

Wow! Are you on a flat rate, or have you taken the time to download
each poster's public key, or how do you do it?

Does TB verify automtically, too?

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Re: PGP

2001-03-30 Thread Dierk Haasis

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hello Thomas!

On Friday, March 30, 2001 at 4:22:42 PM you wrote:

 ...and it needs a RegEx in order to recognize your sig-delimiter.

1. I know.

2. For the wish list (we both know, it's already on it): TB! should
recognize the PGP sig delimiter.

 Wow! Are you on a flat rate, or have you taken the time to download
 each poster's public key, or how do you do it?

You know I am not, and yes I try to get the public keys, sometimes
from servers. Most of the times I just ask those who use PGP on list or
indicate that one can get his/her key.

 Does TB verify automtically, too?

The long-time members of this list (you and me included) know that
this is on the wish list.

Are we through with rehashing for the sake of new members like
Norbert? ;-)


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Re: PGP (Was Re[2]: Viewing Messages)

2001-03-30 Thread Roland Burger



Hi David,

on  Fri,  30  Mar 2001 14:59:05 +0100 GMT (which was 30.03.2001, 15:59
+0100 GMT where I live) David Elliott wrote:



 Verify this one ;?

 PS I liked the last quote.

*** PGP Signature Status: bad
*** Signer: David Elliott [EMAIL PROTECTED]
*** Signer Key ID: 0x650F4534
*** Signer Key Fingerprint: CF6B 9A2E F93E 4018 5120  B357 F98A F1E6 650F 4534
*** Signer Key Status: Invalid
*** Signed: 30.03.01 16:58:46
*** Verified: 30.03.01 17:46:51
*** BEGIN PGP VERIFIED MESSAGE ***

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Messages to this list

2001-03-30 Thread Roland Burger

Hi,

as you see below there are problems to send messages to this list:

30-03-2001 17:48:27 Log record is created.
Message from [EMAIL PROTECTED] to [EMAIL PROTECTED], file 
22tuf73-000-.msg
Request DNS for SMTP servers for this e-mail...
Try DNS-server 217.5.115.7
Sending DNS request...
Wait for DNS reply...
Found 3 relay(s) (dip2.dutaint.com [10], mail.spij.co.id [20], dip1.dutaint.com [30])
Send via dip2.dutaint.com SMTP-server
Connecting to SMTP server...
Connected with SMTP-server
220-dutaint.com ESMTP MDaemon 4.0.0rc2; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 22:48:05 +0700
220-This site does not authorize you to relay mail.
220-If you are not an authorized user of the Duta Integrasi Pratama
220-MailServer you must not relay mail through this site.
220 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
HELO pD4B9E41E.dip.t-dialin.net
250 dutaint.com Hello pD4B9E41E.dip.t-dialin.net, pleased to meet you
MAIL FROM:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
550 mail from 212.185.228.30 refused by DUL, see http://www.mail-abuse.org/dul/
Protocol error (SMTP)
Send via mail.spij.co.id SMTP-server
Connecting to SMTP server...
Connected with SMTP-server
220 spij.co.id ESMTP MDaemon 3.5.3 ready
HELO pD4B9E41E.dip.t-dialin.net
250 spij.co.id Hello pD4B9E41E.dip.t-dialin.net, pleased to meet you
MAIL FROM:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
250 [EMAIL PROTECTED], Sender ok
RCPT TO:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
250 [EMAIL PROTECTED], Recipient ok
DATA
354 Enter mail, end with CRLF.CRLF
...Message body was sent, 1663 bytes
250 Ok, message saved
QUIT
221 See ya in cyberspace
mail.spij.co.id "250 Ok, message saved"

Please take a look to the last line!

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Re: Messages to this list

2001-03-30 Thread Ben Mills



Friday, March 30, 2001, 10:51:02 AM, you wrote:

RB Hi,

RB as you see below there are problems to send messages to this list:

Roland,

I haven't posted here in so long I'm just giving it a test. I'll watch
my log.

Ben


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Re: PGP

2001-03-30 Thread Thomas

Hallo Dierk,

On Fri, 30 Mar 2001 17:04:08 +0200 GMT (30/03/2001, 23:04 +0800 GMT),
Dierk Haasis wrote:

DH Are we through with rehashing for the sake of new members like
DH Norbert? ;-)

And others. Was I so obvious, and this thread is already finished? ;-)

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Re: PGP

2001-03-30 Thread Gerd Ewald

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-

Hello Thomas !

 
On Fri, 30 Mar 2001 22:22:42 +0800 GMT your local time,
which was 30.03.2001, 16:22 (GMT+0200) where I live, you wrote:
[...]

DH BTW, I really am verifying messages from this list.

 Wow! Are you on a flat rate, or have you taken the time to download
 each poster's public key, or how do you do it?

Obviously you never used PGP, so you don't know that you don't have to
download the pub key *each* time you verify a message. You can import
them into your keyring and check the revocation status from time to
time

I would like to invite you to use PGP (if you already do, sorry).
Ingrid Spitzer (www.spitzer-web.de) wrote a very good tutorial on How
to use PGP in The Bat! (Sorry, German version only, but I know that
this is no problem for you). In case you have any problems or
questions feel free to ask!

[...]
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Re[2]: PGP (Was Re[2]: Viewing Messages)

2001-03-30 Thread David Elliott

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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Hello Roland

On 30 March 2001 at 17:47:50 +0200 (which was 16:47 where I live) Roland
Burger umgeordnete Elektronen zum Erhalten

 Verify this one ;?

 *** PGP Signature Status: bad

Correct, but this one will be good. -=#;-]

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Re: Mangled messages in hypertext

2001-03-30 Thread Ming-Li

On Thursday, March 29, 2001 at 11:03:10 -0500 Mal Wiseman wrote:

 I receive hypertext from one particular mailing list sender where
 the lines of text are broken up into many one, two, and three word
 lines. What's going on?
  
Do you mean they are broken in the html tab or the plain text tab,
or both? Either way, try exporting the message (either format would
do) and examining the exported file with a text editor.

If the broken lines you observed happened in TB's plain text tab,
then you should see the same thing in the text editor. If you saw
them in the html view, then there should be some html tag that's
breaking them (e.g.: BR or P).

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Re: Address book hassle

2001-03-30 Thread Ming-Li

On Friday, March 30, 2001 at 15:17:06 +0200 Karin Spaink wrote:

 There's only one AddrBook.ini and it listed the correct place.

So now we know TB doesn't create a new addrbook.ini when it couldn't
find one.

 Right. Indeed most users had a wrong key there, which I have
 dutifully corrected. The problem seems to be fixed now. Thanks!

Glad to hear that.

 But this means that although AddrBook.ini is supposed to
 tell the program where to look for the address book,
 actually the registry entry takes precedence...

Yup. It's a dilemma between easier central control or more end user
freedom. By storing registry entries under the HKCU key, TB opted
for the latter. RIT has said they plan to abandon the registry
someday, but we're still waiting. And the problem won't disappear
when TB switches to ini-only approach, though with better design it
can be minimized.

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Re: Folder settings (was: Changing message replyto via filter)

2001-03-30 Thread Karin Spaink

On 30-03-2001 at 10:30, Lars Geiger kindly wrote:

 If you want to change the settings for all folders (at least for
 all of one account) I would suggest using the keyboard. That's a
 pretty fast way for doing such a general change. Mark the first
 folder and press ALTENTER, ALTU, ENTER, DOWNARROW.
 You can repeat this sequence until all your folder settings are
 corrected.

Yammie! I never realised that. I had some quite folders to
correct as well, and could never bring myself to go through
the hassle. But this *is* a fast procedure. Thanks!


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Oddities

2001-03-30 Thread Pete P

Hello TBUDL!

I have a couple of examples of some little strange things that have
been going on lately with my TB!


1. Text trying to escape from the editor window:

Sometimes when writing a message, I need to select a block of text
with a mouse. If I do it too carelessly, the whole text (not just the
selected one) moves to the left so that only a half of it remains in
sight. No srollbar appearing on the bottom of the window. No way I can
get things back to normal except saving the message and then
doubleclicking in the outbox message list to get back to the message
editing window.


2. Double cursor:

Sometimes if I use Enter too hastily (wanting two or more empty lines
in a text), the cursor just can't make it - sure, it moves to the
correct place but it also leaves a non-working "copy" of itself
behind! The way out? I move the working cursor in the same place as
the "copy" and press any key. I've somehow learned to live with it but
actually it is *very* annoying!


I don't know if it's even possible to solve these problems but what
I'd sure like to know is: are there any others having similar
problems?! My computer is a laptop Compaq Armada 1500c but I don't
think these are display problems - they never happen with any other
programs. And the "double cursor"-thing has been with me only since
TB! version 1.48 or so.

Any suggestions? And *no*, I can't afford a new computer right now :-)


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Re: Changing message replyto via filter

2001-03-30 Thread A Curtis Martin

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On Fri, 30 Mar 2001 19:38:24 +0200, Karin thoughtfully wrote the
following:

KS I wish it were. I never use the preview window; I read mail
KS using the folder view and then hop from message to message.
KS For me, that means that memo's are inaccesible: I can write
KS one but you can't save it.

Try the following:

Open a view folder window and then hit Ctrl+Shift+I. This should open the
memo view window. The 'save' and 'clear' toolbar buttons should be blanked
out so trying to create a memo for the currently selected message would be
futile. Now select another message in the message list. You should now see
the memo window toolbar buttons become active and you can now create the
memo via the view folder window.

I can create memos but I have to first select another message after
opening the memo view and then go back to the original message for which I
wish to create the memo. A minor bug.

KS rant It bugs me that I can do more to messages when they are open
KS via the preview window than when open in folder view. After-all, it's
KS supposed to be just a preview window. From the way it functions, it
KS really aught to be called the main message view window because the
KS message is clearly *opened* when being viewed via the preview window.

Indeed.

KS I can edit memo's only when messages are open via the preview window.

For me this is no longer the case. You can now do everything via the view
folder window. Except for the minor bug I mentioned above, all the past
issues have been ironed out.

KS The address auto-view is more responsive with the preview window.

More responsive? Would you explain what you mean here?

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Re[2]: Changing message replyto via filter

2001-03-30 Thread Dwight A Corrin


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Friday, March 30, 2001, 12:13:29 PM, you wrote:

KS I wish it were. I never use the preview window; I read mail
KS using the folder view and then hop from message to message.
KS For me, that means that memo's are inaccesible: I can write
KS one but you can't save it.

 Try the following:

 Open a view folder window and then hit Ctrl+Shift+I. This should open the
 memo view window. The 'save' and 'clear' toolbar buttons should be blanked
 out so trying to create a memo for the currently selected message would be
 futile. Now select another message in the message list. You should now see
 the memo window toolbar buttons become active and you can now create the
 memo via the view folder window.

 I can create memos but I have to first select another message after
 opening the memo view and then go back to the original message for which I
 wish to create the memo. A minor bug.

I hit ctrl-shft-i and it was ready right away to create a memo, I
typed a few characters and his save and they showed up in the memo
column were they belong.  Didn't have to do the extra fiddling at all.

(I'm running 1.51 on WindowsME)

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Re: Oddities

2001-03-30 Thread Thomas

Hallo Pete,

On Fri, 30 Mar 2001 21:05:09 +0300 GMT (31/03/01, 02:05 +0800 GMT),
Pete P wrote:

PP 1. Text trying to escape from the editor window:

I can confirm this.

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Re: Oddities

2001-03-30 Thread Thomas

Hallo Allie,

On Fri, 30 Mar 2001 13:28:22 -0500 GMT (31/03/01, 02:28 +0800 GMT),
A Curtis Martin wrote:

ACM Whenever you're caught in this bind, [...] or
ACM hitting Ctrl+Home to get to the beginning of the message.

This is the work-around I use, too. Forgot to mention it in my
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Re: Changing message replyto via filter

2001-03-30 Thread A Curtis Martin

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

On Fri, 30 Mar 2001 12:34:26 -0600, Dwight graced us with these comments:


 Open a view folder window and then hit Ctrl+Shift+I. This should open the
 memo view window. The 'save' and 'clear' toolbar buttons should be blanked
 out so trying to create a memo for the currently selected message would be
 futile. Now select another message in the message list. You should now see
 the memo window toolbar buttons become active and you can now create the
 memo via the view folder window.

 I can create memos but I have to first select another message after
 opening the memo view and then go back to the original message for which I
 wish to create the memo. A minor bug.

DAC I hit ctrl-shft-i and it was ready right away to create a memo, I
DAC typed a few characters and his save and they showed up in the memo
DAC column were they belong.  Didn't have to do the extra fiddling at all.

That's with the preview window, right?

Are you doing that via a folder view window?

Double click on any message in the main windows message list. This will
open the message in another window, i.e., the view folder window. Now hit
Ctrl+Shift+I, and try creating and *saving* the memo.

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Re: Oddities

2001-03-30 Thread A Curtis Martin

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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On Fri, 30 Mar 2001 21:05:09 +0300, Pete thoughtfully wrote the following:

PP Sometimes when writing a message, I need to select a block of text
PP with a mouse. If I do it too carelessly, the whole text (not just the
PP selected one) moves to the left so that only a half of it remains in
PP sight. No srollbar appearing on the bottom of the window. No way I can
PP get things back to normal except saving the message and then
PP doubleclicking in the outbox message list to get back to the message
PP editing window.

Whenever you're caught in this bind, try using the arrow keys to scroll or
hitting Ctrl+Home to get to the beginning of the message. Using the
Shift+arrow keys is a far more accurate and controllable way to select
text while editing.

Shift+PageDown to select the current page as well as Shift+End to select
the cursors position to the end of the current line of text also provide
nice adjuncts to the arrow keys.

PP Sometimes if I use Enter too hastily (wanting two or more empty lines
PP in a text), the cursor just can't make it - sure, it moves to the
PP correct place but it also leaves a non-working "copy" of itself
PP behind! The way out? I move the working cursor in the same place as
PP the "copy" and press any key. I've somehow learned to live with it but
PP actually it is *very* annoying!

Yes, I see this at times.

PP I don't know if it's even possible to solve these problems but what
PP I'd sure like to know is: are there any others having similar
PP problems?!

Your first problem I do not have since I edit only with the keyboard.

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Re[2]: Changing message replyto via filter

2001-03-30 Thread Dwight A Corrin

Friday, March 30, 2001, 12:42:32 PM, you wrote:

 I can create memos but I have to first select another message after
 opening the memo view and then go back to the original message for which I
 wish to create the memo. A minor bug.

DAC I hit ctrl-shft-i and it was ready right away to create a memo, I
DAC typed a few characters and his save and they showed up in the memo
DAC column were they belong.  Didn't have to do the extra fiddling at all.

 That's with the preview window, right?

 Are you doing that via a folder view window?

 Double click on any message in the main windows message list. This will
 open the message in another window, i.e., the view folder window. Now hit
 Ctrl+Shift+I, and try creating and *saving* the memo.


I don't know if I was confused before or not, but I think I am now.  I
haven't been around the list and/or the bat long enough, I guess to be
up on what views are called.  I think there are two ways to read a
message.  The first is while I have a column on the left with my
folders listed.  If I highlight a folder, I have a list of the
messages in that folder in a window which goes across the top of the
rest of my screen.  When I highlight a message, the text shows up on a
window across the bottom under the contents list.  If the active
window is the top right one, and a message is highlighted, I can
ctrl-shft-i, and I get a memo of the message window into which I can
immediately type, hit save and have the message show up in the memo
column.

The other possibility is to double click on the message in that top
window and I get a window called "view folder 'folder name' of 'e-mail
account name'"  while that is the active window I can hit ctrl-shft-i
and similarly get a memo of the message window into which I can
immediately type, hit save and have the message show up in the memo
column.  In neither instance do I have to change messages after I open
the memo of the message window.

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Re: PGP

2001-03-30 Thread Dierk Haasis

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Hello Thomas!

On Friday, March 30, 2001 at 6:12:08 PM you wrote:

 And others. Was I so obvious, and this thread is already finished? ;-)

Fr uns alte Hasen :-). (Sorry for using German. Just saying it was
obvious for us "older" folks.

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Re: PGP

2001-03-30 Thread Dierk Haasis

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Hello Gerd!

On Friday, March 30, 2001 at 6:19:21 PM you wrote:

 Obviously you never used PGP, so you don't know that you don't have to
 download the pub key *each* time you verify a message. You can import
 them into your keyring and check the revocation status from time to
 time

I think you know already.

But another thing: How come your signature comes out bad?

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Re: Oddities

2001-03-30 Thread Dierk Haasis

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Hello Pete!

On Friday, March 30, 2001 at 8:05:09 PM you wrote:

 Sometimes when writing a message, I need to select a block of text
 with a mouse. If I do it too carelessly, the whole text (not just the
 selected one) moves to the left so that only a half of it remains in
 sight. No srollbar appearing on the bottom of the window. No way I can
 get things back to normal except saving the message and then
 doubleclicking in the outbox message list to get back to the message
 editing window.

Use cursor keys or "Pos1" (German keyboard, it is the opposite of
"End") or PgUp, actually every positioning key will help you somehow.

 Sometimes if I use Enter too hastily (wanting two or more empty lines
 in a text), the cursor just can't make it - sure, it moves to the
 correct place but it also leaves a non-working "copy" of itself
 behind! The way out? I move the working cursor in the same place as
 the "copy" and press any key. I've somehow learned to live with it but
 actually it is *very* annoying!

It is a bug somewhere (I assume TB!, since I sometimes encounter the
same thing) but it's just of cosmetical importance on your screen. You
don't need to do anything about it.


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Re: Changing message replyto via filter

2001-03-30 Thread A Curtis Martin

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On Fri, 30 Mar 2001 13:09:03 -0600, Dwight wrote these words of wisdom:

DAC The other possibility is to double click on the message in that top
DAC window and I get a window called "view folder 'folder name' of
DAC 'e-mail account name'" while that is the active window I can hit
DAC ctrl-shft-i and similarly get a memo of the message window into which
DAC I can immediately type, hit save and have the message show up in the
DAC memo column. In neither instance do I have to change messages after I
DAC open the memo of the message window.

Interesting.

Would you try something else then. Disable the mail preview window by
hitting Shift+Ctrl+E. Now, open a message in the view folder window and
try to create a memo for it.

If you have the message displayed in the preview window and then open it
in folder view, the problem that I mentioned will not reveal itself.

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Re: Folder settings (was: Changing message replyto via filter)

2001-03-30 Thread Lars Geiger

Hi Karin,
On Fri, 30 Mar 2001, at 19:57:32 +0200 you wrote:

 press ALTENTER, ALTU, ENTER, DOWNARROW

 Yammie! I never realised that. I had some quite folders to
 correct as well, and could never bring myself to go through the
 hassle. But this *is* a fast procedure. Thanks!

Of course, this works for other folder settings as well. But you
have to be careful, as the shortcuts are different, depending on
the language setting of TB!. ALTU becomes ALTL in the
German version of The Bat! and so on.

BTW, anyone noticed that there is no underlined letter for 'Use
folder-specific print settings' in the German language file?

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Re[2]: Oddities

2001-03-30 Thread Pete P

Hello Allie,

Friday, March 30, 2001, 9:28:22 PM, you wrote:


ACM Whenever you're caught in this bind, try using the arrow keys to scroll or
ACM hitting Ctrl+Home to get to the beginning of the message. Using the
ACM Shift+arrow keys is a far more accurate and controllable way to select
ACM text while editing.

Thanks, I'll propably use that from now on! So this "escaping text" is
a commonly known... er... what-should-I-call-it... bug...?

PP Sometimes if I use Enter too hastily (wanting two or more empty lines
PP in a text), the cursor just can't make it -

ACM Yes, I see this at times.

Okay - I just accept it as it is, naturally waiting that someday this
oddity could be ironed out. It's annoying, but not a reason to change
to a different mailclient. Other mailers just don't have the muscles
TB! has.

Thanks Allie, and Thomas too!

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Re: Oddities

2001-03-30 Thread A Curtis Martin

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On Fri, 30 Mar 2001 23:09:05 +0300, Pete thoughtfully wrote the following:

PP Thanks, I'll propably use that from now on! So this "escaping text" is
PP a commonly known... er... what-should-I-call-it... bug...?

Yes. :=) You'll, however, hardly ever encounter it when editing only with
the keyboard.

PP Sometimes if I use Enter too hastily (wanting two or more empty
PP lines in a text), the cursor just can't make it -

ACM Yes, I see this at times.

PP Okay - I just accept it as it is, naturally waiting that someday this
PP oddity could be ironed out. It's annoying, but not a reason to change
PP to a different mailclient. Other mailers just don't have the muscles
PP TB! has.

Again, you'll not encounter this bug when using mainly the keyboard. It
tends to occur when trying to establish cursor positioning with the mouse.
I hope that they fix it soon.

PP Thanks Allie, and Thomas too!

You're welcome. :=)

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Re[2]: Changing message replyto via filter

2001-03-30 Thread Dwight A Corrin

Friday, March 30, 2001, 1:44:50 PM, you wrote:

 Would you try something else then. Disable the mail preview window by
 hitting Shift+Ctrl+E. Now, open a message in the view folder window and
 try to create a memo for it.

 If you have the message displayed in the preview window and then open it
 in folder view, the problem that I mentioned will not reveal itself.

You are right. You have to open another view folder window then go
back before you can do a memo.  I'm not sure why one wouldn't want to
always have the mail preview window, myself, so one didn't have to
open every message in order to read it, but that definitely seems like
a bug not a feature, and it does do what you described.


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Re: Changing message replyto via filter

2001-03-30 Thread A Curtis Martin

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On Fri, 30 Mar 2001 14:32:16 -0600, Dwight wrote these comments:

 If you have the message displayed in the preview window and then open
 it in folder view, the problem that I mentioned will not reveal itself.

DAC You are right. You have to open another view folder window then go
DAC back before you can do a memo. I'm not sure why one wouldn't want to
DAC always have the mail preview window, myself, so one didn't have to
DAC open every message in order to read it,

Open another message in the View folder window. In the View Folder window
go to the 'view' menu item and select 'message list'. You should see now
that I don't have to manually open each message.

If you use the mail tickers view folder window you have the ability of
viewing unread messages across folders and across accounts.

I can browse multiple folders side by side also. The preview window
actually doesn't offer as much versatility when browsing message folders.
:=)

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Re: Oddities

2001-03-30 Thread Brian Clark


Hi Pete,

@ 1:05:09 PM on 3/30/2001, Pete P wrote:

...
 I don't know if it's even possible to solve these problems but what
 I'd sure like to know is: are there any others having similar
 problems?!

Yes. I experience the same, daily.

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Re[2]: Changing message replyto via filter

2001-03-30 Thread Dwight A Corrin

Friday, March 30, 2001, 3:13:22 PM, you wrote:

DAC I'm not sure why one wouldn't want to
DAC always have the mail preview window, myself, so one didn't have to
DAC open every message in order to read it,

 Open another message in the View folder window. In the View Folder window
 go to the 'view' menu item and select 'message list'. You should see now
 that I don't have to manually open each message.

 If you use the mail tickers view folder window you have the ability of
 viewing unread messages across folders and across accounts.

 I can browse multiple folders side by side also. The preview window
 actually doesn't offer as much versatility when browsing message folders.
 :=)

I especially like the ability to go thru the new mail in one window.
Thank you.

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Re: Changing message replyto via filter

2001-03-30 Thread Karin Spaink

On 30-03-2001 at 20:13, A Curtis Martin kindly wrote:
 Karin wrote:

[memos]

KS I wish it were. I never use the preview window; I read mail
KS using the folder view and then hop from message to message.
KS For me, that means that memo's are inaccesible: I can write
KS one but you can't save it.

 Try the following:

 Open a view folder window and then hit Ctrl+Shift+I. This should open the
 memo view window. The 'save' and 'clear' toolbar buttons should be blanked
 out so trying to create a memo for the currently selected message would be
 futile. Now select another message in the message list. You should now see
 the memo window toolbar buttons become active and you can now create the
 memo via the view folder window.

Blimey, you're right - although it is a bit buggy. I might
actualy start using memos from now on. Thanks, Allie.


[me quoting Marck's old rant]

KS The address auto-view is more responsive with the preview window.

 More responsive? Would you explain what you mean here?

Erm, that was form an old message from Marck. You'd better
ask him ;-)


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Re: Changing message replyto via filter

2001-03-30 Thread A Curtis Martin

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On Sat, 31 Mar 2001 03:51:57 +0200, Karin wrote these words of wisdom:

 More responsive? Would you explain what you mean here?

KS Erm, that was form an old message from Marck. You'd better
KS ask him ;-)

Oh. I didn't realize it was a quote from one of Marck's messages.

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Re: Changing message replyto via filter

2001-03-30 Thread Marck D. Pearlstone

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Hi Karin,

On 31 March 2001 at  03:51:57 +0200 (which was 02:51 where I  live)
Karin Spaink wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and made these points:

KS Blimey, you're right - although it is a bit buggy. I might
KS actualy start using memos from now on. Thanks, Allie.

KS [me quoting Marck's old rant]

KS The address auto-view is more responsive with the preview window.

 More responsive? Would you explain what you mean here?

KS Erm, that was form an old message from Marck. You'd better
KS ask him ;-)

Don't look at me g. It was Allie that said it ... and he was talking
about the Memo auto view:

  Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 02:11:54 -0500
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  "I can edit memo's only when messages are open via the preview
  window. The address auto-view is more responsive with the preview
  window."

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Re: Changing message replyto via filter

2001-03-30 Thread A Curtis Martin

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On Sat, 31 Mar 2001 03:20:36 +0100, Marck contributed this to our
collective wisdom:


KS Erm, that was form an old message from Marck. You'd better
KS ask him ;-)

MDP Don't look at me g. It was Allie that said it ... and he was
MDP talking about the Memo auto view:

ROTFL!!!1

You know Marck? When I was reading the rant I said to myself that this was
exactly how I felt some time ago before the view folder shortcomings were
fixed. :=)

That comment about the address-autoview being more responsive must have
been made concerning problems which had not yet been fixed.

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Re: Changing message replyto via filter

2001-03-30 Thread Thomas

Hallo Dwight,

On Fri, 30 Mar 2001 13:09:03 -0600 GMT (31/03/2001, 03:09 +0800 GMT),
Dwight A Corrin wrote:

DAC I don't know if I was confused before or not, but I think I am
DAC now. I haven't been around the list and/or the bat long enough, I
DAC guess to be up on what views are called.

Let me help you (and probably others) out here.

DAC I think there are two ways to read a message. The first is while
DAC I have a column on the left with my folders listed. If I
DAC highlight a folder, I have a list of the messages in that folder
DAC in a window which goes across the top of the rest of my screen.
DAC When I highlight a message, the text shows up on a window across
DAC the bottom under the contents list.

This window is called the preview window or the preview message pane.
People have found other expressions, but always containing the word
"preview".

DAC The other possibility is to double click on the message in that top
DAC window and I get a window called "view folder 'folder name' of 'e-mail
DAC account name'"

This is called the folder view.

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Re: Folder settings (was: Changing message replyto via filter)

2001-03-30 Thread Thomas

Hallo Lars,

On Fri, 30 Mar 2001 21:52:13 +0200 GMT (31/03/2001, 03:52 +0800 GMT),
Lars Geiger wrote:

LG BTW, anyone noticed that there is no underlined letter for 'Use
LG folder-specific print settings' in the German language file?

Send this to Dieter or to the German list, it's an easy fix.

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Re: Oddities

2001-03-30 Thread Thomas

Hallo Dierk,

On Fri, 30 Mar 2001 21:09:55 +0200 GMT (31/03/2001, 03:09 +0800 GMT),
Dierk Haasis wrote:

DH Use cursor keys or "Pos1" (German keyboard,

FYI The key is called "Home" on the US keyboard.

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Undo, Prievious view commands

2001-03-30 Thread jlaikan

Hello TBUDL,

By mistake I moved a message to a folder containing thousands of
messages. I don't remember which message it was and I wish to undo
this action. Is there a command (like that in
Windows Explorer) for this?

While previewing a message, I clicked on another one. Is there a way
to go back (without remembering what it was and manually
searching) to the first one (as with a web browser)?




  

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Re: PGP

2001-03-30 Thread Gerd Ewald

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Hello Dierk Haasis !


On Fri, 30 Mar 2001 20:54:36 +0200 GMT your local time,
which was 30.03.2001, 20:54 (GMT+0200) where I live, you wrote:


 But another thing: How come your signature comes out bad?


Thanks for telling me this. I usually don't check my own sig. I now
checked the same message in my sent-folder and BAD! Could be, that I
still didn't adjust the GnuPG settings correctly to be fully
compatible with PGP.

Ok, now let's try the standard version PGP 6.5.8ckt

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Re: PGP (Was Re[2]: Viewing Messages)

2001-03-30 Thread Roland Burger



Hi David,

on  Fri,  30  Mar 2001 17:25:10 +0100 GMT (which was 30.03.2001, 18:25
+0100 GMT where I live) David Elliott wrote:

 Correct, but this one will be good. -=#;-]

Yu are right! :-))

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Re: Changing message replyto via filter

2001-03-30 Thread Karin Spaink

On 29-03-2001 at 22:09, Dwight A Corrin kindly wrote:
 Thursday, March 29, 2001, 1:28:54 PM, you wrote:


 :-) All we have in TB to parallel this is the Memo. Ctrl-Shift-I.

 This is good.

I wish it were. I never use the preview window; I read mail
using the folder view and then hop from message to message.
For me, that means that memo's are inaccesible: I can write
one but you can't save it.

As Marck put it, some time ago [Sept. 27 2000;
[Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


... once the message is *open*, and there is an associated
memo, the memo-autoview window will display it. This is so whether the
message is open via the preview window or via folder view.

*However*, if I wish to edit a memo or add one to a message, I can only
do so if the message is open via the preview window.

rant It bugs me that I can do more to messages when they are open via
the preview window than when open in folder view. After-all, it's
supposed to be just a preview window. From the way it functions, it
really aught to be called the main message view window because the
message is clearly *opened* when being viewed via the preview window. I
can edit memo's only when messages are open via the preview window. The
address auto-view is more responsive with the preview window. This goes
against what is intuitively expected in the context of what a preview
window is supposed to represent metaphorically. /rant



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